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February 5, 2025 56 mins

In this episode, I’m joined by Kris Sauter to talk about religion, specifically trauma from organized religion! Kris shares his journey from being a pastor in a toxic church environment to healing and resilience. Together, we explore spirituality, recovery, and Kris’ innovative project, "Shit My Pastor Said," which creates a safe space for survivors of spiritual abuse to share their stories.

  • Power Dynamics:  The inherent power dynamics in churches that can lead to manipulation and exploitation.
  • Responsibility and Healing: Kris admits complicity within the toxic system and stresses the importance of accountability and healing.
  • Abuse and Trauma: Kris speaks candidly about his experience with spiritual abuse and the journey to acknowledge it as trauma. This realization came through therapy and understanding toxic church environments.
  • Healing Spaces: Kris emphasizes the importance of creating safe, authentic, and inclusive spiritual communities where individuals can explore their spirituality without fear or pressure.

Connect with Kris!

Shit My Pastor Said: https://www.shitmypastorsaid.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kris.sauter/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kris_sauter45/

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