January 30, 2025 • 73 mins
From getting fired on Wall Street to becoming social media's favorite country club satirist - Walker Ward (aka Walksauce42_) joins us to break down how he built a massive social media comedy empire by perfectly capturing the chaos of Rivian waitlists, golden retriever mishaps on private jets, and emergency board meetings about white jean violations. A hilarious deep dive into content creation, character work, and why you should never trust a Tommy Bahama client dinner.
Actor Jeremy Sisto and Walker's manager Fran Serratore sit down as well.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's all kind of plug and play.
(00:01):
I was telling you guys lastnight the guy in Palm Beach
who's renting in the Hamptonsfor the summer over Labor Day
weekend has the same fuckingproblems.
He's chomping at the bit to geta doctor to do a telehealth
visit, to get his kids medicalforms in for Palm Beach Day,
just like the Greenwich dad inNantucket is for fucking
Brunswick.
Just like the Palisades dad isfor John Thomas Dye.
(00:22):
Like it's all, everyone's gotthe same problem.
The Palm Beach family who areall about goldens, their golden
retriever sconce.
It took a shit on the G650 ERon the way to the Yellowstone
Club, just like the Greenwichfamily's labradoodle took a piss
on the carpet on the citationflying to Sun Valley, idaho.
(00:43):
It's all the same shit.
Both families on opposite sidesof the country are paying to
have the fucking carpets of theplane shampooed.
It's just what kind of dog tookthe shit.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That was a clip from my very hilarious interview with
Walker Ward, aka WalkSauce42underscore.
I sat down with Walker recentlyin New York City.
I was doing some open micsthere and I was with Jeremy
Sisto and Walker came up for anhour or so with his manager,
(01:16):
franz Seratori, and the four ofus just shot the breeze.
But it was so funny.
We got into some really coolinside information about his
origin story, about how thisexplosive growth on social media
, how it works, how you startmaking money, what his
(01:37):
inspiration is, all thedifferent characters he plays.
So if you haven't seenWalkSauce42's stuff yet, just
pause right now, go watch acouple of his videos on his
Instagram and then come back.
It's so good.
I fell in love with him.
I got to thank Medora Westcottfor putting us in touch and we
(01:59):
hit it off beautifully.
So credit where credit is due.
The serendipity wheel of thispodcast and social media in
general is doing it right, and Igot to meet and hang with this
wonderfully talented, extremelyfunny man.
He tells so many funny storieshe had us howling with laughter,
(02:19):
but also a lot of deep insightsinto how this weird game works,
and really it was so coolbecause it was an origin story.
It's his start and he still is.
He's only a year in and so he'sgot this whole life ahead of
him.
He's early 30s, whole lifeahead of him, and he used to be
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a banker and now he's kind of.
People are taking pictures withhim on the sidewalk.
It's a really cool, fascinatingstory.
So buckle up.
If this is your first time here,this is a podcast called
Starting Stand Up.
I'm David Walton and it'sreally just a track my my
journey trying to get good atstandup comedy.
(03:01):
So it's behind the scenes stuff, some open mics.
To get good at stand-up comedy.
So it's behind the scenes stuff, some open mics, all my
failures, and mostly I just talkabout, you know, feces and sex,
and already you know we've gotthe word feces going, so we're
staying on brand here already.
Anyway, please enjoy and I'lltalk to you after the interview.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Oh man, that's rubbish, that's rubbish.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I just.
It's a pack of.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Netflix.
I want to say that throughoutthis interview, Sisto's not
going to understand probably 50%of the terms.
You need a poor guy in thegroup.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
All right, exactly, yeah, but we'll start.
We'll talk about horse countryand your club and all that kind
of thing.
Don't worry, we'll get into it.
We'll get into it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I, we'll get into that, we'll get into that, I'm
not worried.
So congratulations.
I asked you last night when wefirst met face-to-face, whether
you were making some dough andthen you immediately were like
yeah, and I was so excited.
I see all these influencers,you see these people explode.
You see the hundreds ofthousands and it's like I don't
understand how people are makingmoney, because I had a bathrobe
company.
We hired influencers to hawkour bathrooms and no one bought
(04:28):
anything.
So, yeah, I don't get it.
Well, you saw you two take methrough how people are making
money in this game well, take myhand, let me take my little
journey here, gentlemen, but, uh, you know, first of all,
honored to be here, walks house42 in the house.
Underscore, bro, exactly, don'tforget the underscore yeah, if
you search walks house 42 in thehouse Underscore, bro, exactly,
don't forget the underscore.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
If you search Waxhouse 42 without the
underscore, you get some dudewho's got at least 17 wives, all
of whom are his sisters.
Lives in deep Alabama somewhere, so don't go down that rabbit
hole Anyway, can.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I ask quickly about the underscore, please.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
The name was taken.
Obviously the name was taken.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Obviously the name was the numbers.
The numbers were taken as well.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The name was yeah, originally I was.
I just wanted to be walk sauce.
It was taken and then I waslike, all right, I'm gonna be
original and go with my collegehockey number 42 okay, uh, you
know I'm an athlete and uhhockey players through the 42 in
there, and then the 42 wastaken.
So then naturally, the nextnext door down, pop the
underscore in there.
And then we were cooking withgas.
(05:24):
We threw the underscore inthere, it's like a hiccup.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like saying your name with a hiccup.
It is it walks?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
us forward.
Anyway, when I made anInstagram, I was actually it was
my junior summer in college.
I was living in an NYU dorm,studying acting for film at the
NYU film academy.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So you already had an idea, because when I was
talking to you, I've alwaysknown.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I remember when I was like eight I saw Max Keeble's
Big Move, the movie about thekid who like sort of runs the
middle school.
He's got like spiky hair.
He like is the paper boy.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Movie or TV show Movie.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
This kid.
I resonate with this kid.
I'm Max Keeble.
I'm just a little bit doughier.
I've got the energy.
I'm not a paper boy, but I canmake it happen.
I want to be in movies likethis kid.
There was this kid who I grewup with named Connor Gibson.
Connor, if you're watching this, how you doing pal?
But he would every Friday getdriven into New York to go on
auditions for child actingcommercials.
(06:31):
Where were you?
What's that?
Where'd you live?
Princeton, new Jersey.
Shout out 609.
Underscore, underscore.
And he got in this Kids NextDoor Cartoon Network commercial.
I was like like this is sick.
So I always loved the idea ofentertaining, performing, trying
to be in like television orfilm what did your parents think
of that?
I think they.
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I am basically my mom, withoutthe Y chromosome, or no?
I have the Y chromosome, shedoesn't, so she they support it.
They've always supported me,which I'm lucky for she would
have wanted to do it kind ofthing Probably.
So now you know she's like thedance mom living vicariously
through me making sure you knowmy outfit's all good and get out
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there on stage, kid.
No, I didn't.
But when I was, I got cut fromthe hockey team my sophomore
year of college and I was like,alright, I'm going to start
doing some live theater.
So I started doing plays andthat kind of thing and then it
snowballed into me what was this?
Hobart College baby, theHarvard and the Finger.
Lakes, slo-bart, exactly, wow,exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I didn't see that coming.
You're so smart to me.
Yeah, and clearly Hobart baby.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Hobart High-Loop.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Come on come on Slo-Bart Come on exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We pay you to come here and uh, it was great, I
liked hobart.
Hobart was a good time it getsa bad rap.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For sure.
There's smarter people theredepends who you are.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, yeah in the, in the um were you the smartest
person there uh, it depended whoyou asked.
If you asked me, I'd tell youyes.
If you asked any of myprofessors, they'd tell you
absolutely not.
Um, but uh, you know, here weare.
Everybody wants to be part of amiracle.
I graduated in four years.
The story actually of how Igraduated was pretty funny, but
we can get into that later.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So third year of college, you started doing plays
.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes, I just love performing and like getting a
script and finding a characterand like putting my twist on it
and then getting out there.
I'm a little show pony.
So, it was fun and I've alwaysbeen outgoing one of the funny
kids in class.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Were you always hairy .
Speaker 1 (08:32):
No, actually the hair came later, really, when I
started doing the nature walkswith Walker.
I see, but we can get into thatlater as well.
I actually used to be very, nothairy, oh okay, I used to look
just like a little baby'sbuttocks walking around every
day.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I remember I hated when they did shirts and skins
because I was like I got a latearmpit hair.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I didn't know you were a late bloomer.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, I was young for my class, I was a little late
too, and I had no armpit hair.
I don't know why that would beembarrassing now thinking about
it, but it was really an issuefor me.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
If you want to see embarrassing, you need to check
out Jeremy auditioning forTitanic.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I love that I'm not even in the part of the
conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I'm just a guy.
You're Jeremy.
I need everyone to see thisvideo.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I really do it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's so weird.
We'll talk about it later.
No, no, actually, this wholepodcast is taking a right turn.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Perfect.
No, no Strap in.
We're playing Jell-O.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It's with Kate Winslet.
It's a full screen test.
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's on the set.
I have a story, Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I just had to say that though.
Anyway, okay, so we're startingto get the bug, we're feeling
it.
We're feeling the flow.
You know you like to perform,you like to make people laugh.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Didn't know how to really get into the world of
acting professionally.
Television film I saw an opencasting call for once.
Disney bought Star Wars.
They were like come to Michigan.
I was like no, I don't Wars.
They were like come to Michigan.
I was like no, I don't know ifI can get to Michigan.
I got the sides but then I justdidn't end up going and doing
it for like the first Star Warsthat Disney came out with?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
oh yeah, no, like the episode one yeah, one with Jar
Jar Binks.
No, no, no that's Rogue One.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You're thinking Phantom.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Menace like Natalie Portman.
Yeah, one with Jar Jar Binks.
No, no, no, that's order ofRogue One, rogue.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
One.
You're thinking Phantom Menace,like Natalie.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Portman.
No, I'm just getting very angryat Jar Jar Binks right now.
He's such a meanie, it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's aged better.
You guys don't hate Jar JarBinks, right no?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I mean I love the Phantom Menace.
You got fucking Darth Maul outthere To.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Jedi.
We will not live to see anotherday.
It was so bad, dude.
Yes, because that's what theywere doing.
It was like racist aliens.
They were doing like a badAsian accent, it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, moving on.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
RIP Qui-Gon.
We're going to stay focused onthe starting.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
The theme of this conversation is starting,
Starting starting, starting, sowe're going to stay on track,
Jeremy, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
No anyway.
So you're starting out.
So you got this tickle, butthen you took a turn.
Did I remember correctly fromlast night, daddy was a finance
guy.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Daddy was a finance guy, so essentially what
happened with Daddy- was hegraduated?
Sorry that I said that hegraduated contrary to popular
belief and worked at arestaurant on Nantucket for six
months.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Went back to Geneva, New York, to 315 G, Vegas, and
coached a local hockey team insome ice hockey and then worked
for a commercial real estatecompany.
I worked for Cushman Wakefieldin brokerage.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Shout out to Cushman Wakefield.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Shout out, cushman Still waiting on that commission
check in 2016, but we'll youknow well, it could come through
, dude I hope so, but um didthat for a year and then, uh,
went back up there for one moreyear.
I was basically just like tryingto hold on to college as long
as I could.
I was coaching our club team.
I led the Hobart club varsityclub hockey team to the first
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ever UNYCHL Upstate New YorkClub Hockey League Title.
I was the coach and then theidiot kid who was running the
team, the manager, didn't fillout the forms at the beginning
of the season for us to beeligible for nationals.
So we're all celebrating, we'rethrowing this massive fucking
party at Hobart and we find outwe get an email that we're not
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eligible for nationals, eventhough we fucking won the entire
upstate New York league and wewere livid.
So anyway, that high came to animmediate crash.
And then I got a phone callfrom the father of a family for
whom I babysat for a long time.
Back in high school he was thehead of sales at this company on
Wall Street, this sell-sidefirm.
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He was like Walker, we'rehiring a junior on the sales
desk, would you be interested?
I said say less, packed my bags, came to the Big Apple and
never looked back.
So I worked there for six years.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So you were like, oh, maybe I could do this, maybe
I'd make some money.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, I was like look , I was held back in math in
high school.
If you ever told me that I wasgoing to have a chance to work
on Wall Street or do that kindof thing, I'd tell you you were
an idiot.
I never did the internships oranything like that.
I mean, I could barely add oneand one and get four, so I was
like you know, let's make ithappen and what a cool
opportunity.
(13:23):
And it allowed me to move to NewYork.
I remember being told growingup if I wanted to live the sort
of lifestyle that I was raisedaround, I was going to have to
have a quote-unquote real job.
And I never knew.
I didn't grow up.
I had some friends who knew Ihad this one kid I grew up with
who knew he wanted to work onWall Street when we were like 10
.
He was walking around withfucking business cards at the
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country club pool like handing.
You know, just being like dude,like chill.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I have a friend who's just a real thing.
His kids are at Buckley, whichis very prestigious, like a
private school here in New YorkCity.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, I'm sure they speak Mandarin with their nanny
while they're eating theirdehydrated k.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We were eating a burger at JG Mellon's, of course
, and I look and you see all thelittle Buckley uniforms and
these kids are in second gradeand they're all tied together by
leashes.
And I'm just watching themslowly single file across.
She goes look at all thoselittle future CEOs.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It was so douchey.
They're in their Buckleyincubation program, but yeah, so
I took the job in New York andit was great.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You didn't want to do the thing, but you were like
which thing?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The Wall Street thing yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
No I was excited.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
No, I was excited.
I came to New York, Iinterviewed.
I was excited to get to NewYork try something new.
I came to New York, Iinterviewed.
I was excited to get to NewYork, try something new, have my
first real job, be on a salary,live in the city, go to the
office, that kind of stuff.
So I was excited and that wasyou said six years, right, yeah,
july 2018, five years actually,until I was rudely fired in
(15:05):
cold blood in July of 2023.
Is there?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
an NDA on that, or is that a story?
The NDA?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
is up.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's a good story Spill it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
The NDA is up.
So what happened with that waswe had a Tuesday night in
Midtown, new York, the TommyBahama restaurant client event.
Drinks were flowing, theatmosphere was buzzing, deals
were being made, and I amchatting with a gentleman who
was part of the C-suite at thecompany.
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I'm not going to name names andyou could tell that he was
pretty like racked, as the kidswere saying, and he had a
reputation for Racked, rackedit's going to be R, as in Roger,
a-c-k-e-d Racked, and so wewere.
The slang for he had areputation for dipping into the
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bag and getting into the wrongsugar bowl, as they say.
He was like oh, I'll be rightback.
And we all see him walk out thedoor and get into this like
honda pilot, come back in, justbeeline it to the fucking ladies
room and then come back out andthe guy is just like a fucking
bull in a china shop, like allthis is a client event at 6 30
on a tuesday.
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The guy's like 45 years old,he's got a pregnant wife at home
in new jersey, like children.
It's just he is I mean yeah,and he just doesn't know what,
what, what the hell is going on.
I was alright, I mean can wejust all like this guy is
fucking wrapped.
I mean he's high on coke and itwas just hysterical.
And he found out that I wasTalking about him and the next
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day I got hit with a team'smessage from him being like hey,
can you click this link?
This is weird.
This guy never talks to me andit's just he and our head of hr
and he's like walker, look, youhaven't been performing, we're
gonna let you go.
I was like this is this isblasphemous did you see any
proof of this stuff?
I saw I mean I think everybodysaw proof just sprinkled all
over his fucking face but likeyeah, other than that no he
(17:01):
wasn't like walker into theHonda Pilot with me and watch
the transaction.
Other than that I saw the wholething.
And so he just heard that youwere like hey yes making jokes
yes and so he was like you knowwhat this kid's a liability, his
time's kind of run out.
We're gonna get rid of him.
So I got a lawyer and got likea little bit of a settlement.
It's funny because I was likethe culture guy at work.
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I was there, I was the fuckingglue.
Since I have left, the place isin shambles, which is
hysterical.
Everybody has quit.
It's pretty funny.
Where I'm going with this is mydesk, to this day remains
untouched, similar to that ofAlbert Einstein at Princeton
University when he died.
(17:43):
His office remains untouched,similar to that of Albert
Einstein at Princeton Universitywhen he died.
His office remains untouched.
And when you take a tour ofPrinceton, I'm sure many of you
academics on here watching thiswill- know, this.
when you take a tour of the goodold Princeton University, they
will walk you by his office,sealed off, untouched papers,
askew equations on thechalkboard, you know brandy
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spilled on the table, etc.
My desk remains untouched, withall my things my McDonald's
coupons, my basketball hoop, myyearbook, my MCT oil multi-chain
triglyceride oil from when Iwas going through my keto phase.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, bulletproof.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, you're damn right, so anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I had a good run.
You're a good company.
I'm in a Hollywood version ofRon Hubbard.
I had a good run, your company,a Hollywood version of Ron.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Hubbard, I had a good run.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They keep the door open and a cigarette lit in
there for his Really.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Is it because you have allies within the company
that love you and want to keepyour desk like that?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yes, yeah, my friends have all been like like my old
coworkers, like no, like hey Bob, like new guy, don't even
fucking look at this desk Likeget the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
What about the coke guy?
Is he like he's gone he?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
got fired, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Because of a lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Unrelated.
Could I feel like you couldhave made some money on a
countersuit or a lawsuit?
He didn't sue you.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We had a settlement.
It didn't have to become a.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You had a mediator or something like that.
Yeah, we had.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I just got a lawyer.
We wrote a couple letters.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So that was nice.
You got some runway as you wentinto unemployment, a little
runway going into unemployment.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And what year was that?
This was 2023,.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
July, which coincides with you already had an
Instagram account, but when wasyour first video post-firing?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Post-firing.
It happened pretty quickly.
My colleagues like Walker, wewant to help you get another job
.
We'll get you involved withsome interviews at other places,
and I was like you guys.
I don't know if the world ofslinging data is for me.
I might have a bigger purposeand they're like okay, we get it
.
And then so my girlfriend waslike you've always talked about
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performing and entertaining andblah, blah, blah.
Why don't you just start making?
Just put your fucking moneywhere your mouth is and this new
settlement, where money whereyour mouth is and make some
videos.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Can I ask you a quick question about what it was like
for those six years where youclearly have an itch and you are
a performer by your nature?
Is what you're now doing?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
like what's in your nature.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Did you feel, when you were working, that there was
a misery or there was adepression or there was any sort
of like thing that was, youfelt, blocked?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And also just to add to that, from what?
I know about that job at thattime?
Is they really push you?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You're like grinding For sure I mean like look, let's
be honest, I worked at like theteamu version of like a fucking
real sales and trading shop.
Like anyone who knows me, whoknows where I worked, is like
all right, yeah, like it's afucking fund, like they've got
employees in hr.
But like I mean, okay, it's ateamu version of a real shop,
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but, um, so it's not like I'mlike across the street here at
goldman, you know, working intothe wee hours of the morning
really making bank.
I was in sales.
I wasn't like an analyst.
You put a gun to my head.
I can't even fucking operate apivot table.
I don't know anything aboutExcel, anything.
(20:57):
I would just email my clients,call my clients.
Hey, bill, how you doing, how'sthe wife, how's the kid?
I know, let's.
I was trying to think somethingfunny to say, but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But, um, have you heard of amazon how's everybody
doing?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
yeah something has just come across my desk okay um
but anyway I um, but basicallyyeah
Speaker 2 (21:16):
it's called aerotime international two brothers out
of a shed in oregon um, butanyway, I uh wait.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What was I saying?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Oh the itch, so that salesman show yes so definitely
in sales.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
By nature, you get to be fun and clever and funny and
interact with people, which washuge.
I'm not joking when I say theculture guy thing I leaned into
that hard.
I would plan our holidayparties, I like.
I would host our off sites likeevery.
You know our h1.
That's, that's first half.
For those of you who don't knowwhat the fuck you're talking,
(21:53):
about.
We would have like an off siteand I'd get up there in a, in a
tuxedo, pretending it was theoscars, and like host it.
You know, I brought some levityinto a dark world, especially
post-covid.
You're a good time guy, a funhog, exactly exactly A fun hog a
fog, as they say.
But then I also.
When COVID started was reallywhere I upped my culture guy
(22:14):
game.
March 2020, the world'scrumbling, everyone's falling
apart, there are babies andwomen crying in the street,
everything's on fire.
I go back to Princeton, newJersey.
I'm in my childhood bedroom.
I'm like shit.
I have so much more free timewhere I used to have to look
busy.
What could I do with myself?
And I decided to buy a raft onAmazon and sail it down a river
(22:38):
in my backyard and pop it, and Iwas dressed in a full captain's
suit and I started Nature Walkswith Walker.
So I was basically stranded inthe woods and I had, just like
Castaway instead of Wilson thevolleyball, I had Tito the vodka
bottle.
And I was out there with like noclothes on, just like surviving
for like a couple months, and Iwould do one episode a week.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Oh, that's so great, and that was really fun.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So that was really the first nature walks with
Walker was the first realcontent I started doing and my
company's company caught onto itand they're like Walker, will
you like?
We're losing people left andright here.
Morale is fucking in thetrenches Like what you know.
We might as well have been inlike trench warfare in you know,
england in 1912.
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I mean, it was, it was dark.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, Because in 1912 .
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean it was dark Because clients were dropping,
not just sure clients didn't,you know.
No one knew what to do withbudgeting because everybody was
freaking out, but just employees.
You're living at home on top ofyour spouse, who you can't
stand and your kids shitting onthe floor and your dog's got you
know AIDS and it's just chaos.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Did you answer the call?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Of course I answered the call.
So what I would do is each weekI would recreate our morning
Zoom calls, our morning salescalls, where everybody would
come on.
And you know, when you workwith people it's like anything.
Everyone has kind of theirthing, their little mannerisms
that they do and that sort ofthing.
So I would be like each littlesquare of each person.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Imitate, everybody I knew like this.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
One guy was always in Mets gear, so he was in his
Mets set.
This one dude would alwaysstretch and be obviously flexing
.
But trying to make it subtle, Ihad a protein thing and I was
flexing while one analyst isspeaking.
That would be me.
Our CEO would be like he wasfucking obsessed with Strava and
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would post his runs like oninstagram all the time, so I had
my like.
I was like dying and like cutoff like strava's the running
app where you track, becausenaturally everybody gives a fuck
about how your run went.
So you're 5k, so, like you postyour stats and people can
follow along oh.
I did 10 seconds better than mytime yesterday.
(24:46):
My resting heart rate isimproving.
I really care about that, so Iwas excited to see the updates.
So I was like sweating after arun, so that was fun.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That kind of stuff, and so I think about you doing
that.
When I think about doing thatmyself, I get I'm right now
getting exhausted, sure.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do you, do you?
Yeah, it's a big job.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, like like when you wake up in the morning and
you think about all the ideasfor the let's let's just say the
zoom Hollywood squares thing.
Do you feel this like weight ordo you?
Does it energize you?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It energizes me.
I'm excited.
I'm excited to like pull thisthing together and then share it
with an audience that I know isgoing to resonate with it.
Yeah, he's like a real artistand it'll still get like.
Sometimes it'll be tiring andI'll be like, oh God, like how
many more takes do I have to doto like, nail this fucking
eccentric Frenchman consultantwe've hired and like, but you
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know what I'm going to make ithappen.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Do you still know the Frenchman consultant?
Oh yeah, Gerard.
How did he go?
What was his vibe?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Gerard was great, didn't speak a fucking lick of
English and he actually got hislike green card, like halfway
through, or his true citizenship, whatever that is like halfway
through his tenure at thecompany, and we threw him an
America party and I got him someAmerican flags and I've draped.
You know it's basically he hadjust won the Olympics and uh,
you know okay, so when you madethese bonsoir, when you made
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these outdoor guy ones, yeah,nature walks with Walker you
would write these out, or you?
know these would be improvised.
I'm telling you I would be likeso.
I live in New Jersey, myparents have Jersey.
We live on like seven or eightacres, probably half of which
are woods, so like I would justgo into our backwoods.
But, like to anyone watchingthis video, I'm like, I'm deep.
(26:34):
Do you think they believed you?
I mean, they knew that it was abit, although there were a
couple people like this one girlwho was an exchange student at
Hobart DM'd me and it did not.
It went right over her head andshe was like hey, like, do you
need help?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
like are you okay, like you?
What like she thought that Ishe thought that I'd like
cracked.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I was like she was such a sweet woman.
I just I didn't even have theheart to respond to her.
I left her on read.
You switched your text to read,by the way.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You have read receipts on your text.
By the way, I like it.
I know what that means.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I know when you're ignoring me.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It means I know when you've read my text.
Yeah, why would anyone turn?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
that on?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Sometimes it happens automatically, though.
Why would anyone turn that on?
I don't know you have turned iton.
Sometimes it happensautomatically, though it's weird
, but I mean, why would somebodychoose to do that?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, if you're like trying to like get under
someone's skin, or no, you could.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's a forcing function for half-received.
Like I have 20 on, I don'trespond to text well definitely
a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I'm pretty good at responding.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
No, you've been great to me, but I'm sure there's a
lot of people who are offendedit was like a week ago that I
was like no, I just got this.
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Now you're caught in a lie.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But that was the first bit of content, so tell me
how many you went from.
Let's say you had 500 followersof your friends.
Yeah, when followers of yourfriends, yeah, when that started
to hit.
Talk to me about the growth offollowership.
Yeah, we went.
We went from nature walks withwalker and then my parents were
like you guys pack up, pack upthe car.
We're packing up the car,griswold family vacation style.
We're driving across thecountry, we're spending the
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summer in sun valley.
I mean, you can tell, obviouslythere's some chad in me here
there's some chad, but you knowwe're driving to sun valley.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I was like mom dad jeremy, you have a good one man.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Thanks for stopping have a good night.
Um, you can't pull the rug fromunderneath me.
I've got this massiveproduction that I've I'm two
months into, so I'm like, allright, if I'm gonna be on the
open road, my parents suck, I'mgonna make content going across
how viral did the walk nature?
It was it stayed within the thefriend group oh, okay yeah, and
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then I started hot dog boy.
So every time we stopped at agas station or a rest stop I'd
review a hot dog.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But anyway, so is that, borrowing from a barstool
guide, a little similar to likeI was gonna do it with french
onion soup.
Actually, I'm a french onionsoup guy.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You know, dave portnoy crawled so I could walk,
he walked so I could run yeahand um a little of an all gas.
No brakes, vibe as well.
But anyway we did that, and thenit was time to get back into
the office.
By the time the summer ended,we sort of got back to work, and
so I couldn't do the contentanymore.
So then, fast forward to Julyof 2023, when the Tommy Bahama
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incident happened.
That was when the contentstarted.
So late July 2023, I came outwith the Wall Street Intern the
kind of classic dipshit,clueless kid in the Hamptons.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Go Google it, go find it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Backwards hat company vest Zinn just in line at Surf
Lodge, ready to fucking drop theequivalent of Guatemala's GDP
on a chicken tendie tower.
Crush some diabolically crispbottles of Whispering A and just
hit on anything with a pulseLike that was their Super Bowl,
and you either knew that guy,you were that guy or you were
hit on by that guy.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So he just worked and these ones you wrote.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
These ones I wrote.
So it started with him on thetrain.
Let's fucking go, boys.
We're going out.
It's going to be sick.
Talking about the share house,we've got a three bedroom with
like 30 dudes.
It's going to be dope.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And you have that little picture of the empty
train behind you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
The L-I-R-R in the background, and that was where
it all started, and so that was.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I probably went from.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Was that one video?
A little bit, but not see thething about the wall street
intern.
All of those videos, if youwatch them he's never in the
venue.
He's always in line.
So the kid about the wall, thething about the wall street
intern is he never gets in wherehe's going different from chad,
who is the nepo baby, born andbred with the silver spoon in
his mouth.
Chad is dangerous because heactually knows what to say, he
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knows what kind of wine to order, he knows what works and what
doesn't work, and he's got themoney.
He'll weasel his way into thevenues and then he's just a
fucking nightmare for everybodywithin a five-mile radius.
The intern is just a bull in achina shop and he's fucking
clueless.
He grew up kind of blue collar.
It's just his first time awayfrom home with a little bit of
disposable income.
Chad is just.
I mean, he's flying on jets,he's got the nuclear codes, the
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dad's checking account, he's gotConsuelo on speed dial whipping
up quesadillas in the 30,000square foot Palm Beach home,
going for swimming laps in theGannite pool with fillies just
all over the place, like chad's,living his best life.
The intern is just fuckingclueless.
So that's kind of thedifference between the two.
But which one was first?
Chad came later.
The intern is where we started,yeah yeah um, and I probably got
(31:35):
like maybe 15 to 20 000followers over the course of two
months doing him.
Okay, it was just that, it wasa just the right time it was.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
We're gonna bring your manager into this because I
want to know when he enteredthe scene.
Right now, perfect timing rightat the end of August so tell me
when did you come across himand what made you want to be
with him just like everybodyelse, be with him sexually.
You guys are together rightpower bottom, just kidding,
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that's his fiance Romantically,be with him sexually.
You guys are together rightPower, bottom Just kidding Fi,
that's his fiance.
Congratulations by the way.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Have we inflated her today.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I saw the Wall Street Intern video and, just like he
said, I truly was that kid.
I was 18.
I went out there after myfreshman year of college and I
was so enamored with thecharacter because I know exactly
what that feeling's like.
You don't even know.
You worked all week.
Your parents gave you maybe 150bucks.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
You're blowing it at your friend's place.
Who happens to have a placethere?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
you don't talk to any girls, maybe like one or two.
You text.
There's no cell service and Icame up from like the
entertainment world, startingthe mailroom, and then a
childhood friend of mine isactually a really similar kind
of comedian to Walker, so Istarted managing a friend of
mine oh, and the way that thissort of met kismet was.
I was at business schoollooking to make some extra cash,
(32:55):
as everyone does, and I'm likeI'm pretty good at this managing
thing and I just thought Walkerhad something that hits a nerve
with people that have highdisposable income and it's
highly shareable it's acommunity of people that know
what they're looking for andknow how to spend money, versus
people that just spray comediansand they're just for the mass
audience.
(33:15):
Walker had a really high walletof his average viewer.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, it was niche, but it was also like some of
your videos.
I will say like I would say, 60of the terms you're using I've
never heard.
But it was also like some ofyour videos.
I will say like I would say,60% of the terms you're using
I've never heard of.
But it's almost like when youwatch ER, like you don't care
what the doctors are saying.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
They're clearly in it , they know what they're doing
and people will comment on someof the videos where I'm getting
where I'm really drilling downas they say yeah, yeah, and
they're like word he just said,but I couldn't look away.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, yeah yeah, common friend, like that kind of
thing.
So what was your sort of whenyou first came to it, when you
came and said I've got someideas for you how did?
That work.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I just said.
I know you're doing somethingthat people resonate with.
Your following account isgrowing.
I know how to monetize withbrands and I'll be there, I'll
be your Sherpa.
I'll make sure you don't gettaken advantage of by agents or
other people.
How do you monetize the friendsyou call the brands and you're
like, yeah, like again I.
When you have like a,especially like a manager, the
incentive structure is he doeswell, I do well.
(34:16):
Your agent is the money allgoes into the agency pot and
then you get your little pieceand the rock is where your money
should be, really your time bespent, because that's like a
higher ROI of your time being anagent versus I can be
one-on-one with Walker.
If he's doing well, I'm doingwell.
I can go to bat for him in a waythat an agent or some bigger
company can't.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And when we spoke, when we met, the thing that I
liked about Fran, among manythings, was that he and.
I were both in a similar phasein our respective I'll call them
careers.
I mean, he was, you were inbusiness school, I was just
getting started.
He wasn't some guy with 20, 30years of experience in the
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industry with a bunch ofdifferent clients where I was
like it just kind of workedSerendipitous has kind of been
our word for the week and it wasa serendipitous moment, I mean.
I got on the phone with him andI was like okay, yeah, this guy
sounds a little slick, he's inCosta Rica, he's calling me from
La.
Selva, tropical as they say andI was like, all right, and he
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sounded over the phone, you gota little bit of the accent and I
was like, alright, maybe thisguy is going to totally just wax
me for all that I've worked,but no, it worked out.
I mean, you get a little bit ofthe New York.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I feel like, since I hadn't met him, I wasn't sure if
he was going to sell me a usedNissan.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Leaf or something.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
New York and LA oh cool, LA is where I went to.
I showed up at LA when I was 17.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I left when I was 26.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Very formerly you were shaped.
Do you make because quantity isimportant in this game right.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Volume how often do you feel like not in the mood?
Maybe you didn't love that one,but you have to push that out.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I sort of like go through phases with like when
it comes to the log, like thebacklog of videos that I have,
where it's like.
You know, it's not like I'mwaking up every day and I'm like
shit, I have to film a videotoday that goes out today.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Like this podcast, like that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
That's when you get it Exactly, yeah we're getting
the light all right one secondyeah, this comes out at 8 pm
every wednesday night easterneastern do you try to do every
day?
yeah, I try to post every day.
In the past couple I would saymonth or so I've started to
steer away from that a littlebit.
Like my first.
My main goal for the first yearof doing this I've been doing
it for about a year and a couplemonths it was just.
(36:35):
You know, it's like going tothe gym, I mean, clearly I know
what the fuck I'm talking abouthere.
You got to be consistent.
You got to go every day.
If you go once or twice in aweek and then you just stop,
nothing's going to happen.
You got to show up every day.
You got to fucking hit the samespot every day and then
eventually the tree is going to,you know, fall down, like with
this.
That was my goal for the firstyear.
(36:55):
Every single day I wanted topost a video, whether I loved it
or thought it was decent.
I'm not going to post somethingthat I think sucks.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
But like, and I'm trying different things.
How long was that period whereyou just stayed in the friend
group?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
That was like March 2020 until July 2023.
But I wasn't really makingcontent.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, he got fired and then he was like but I wasn't
making content when I was like2021, 2022.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
No, I wasn't doing characters, but I guess.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I put that out there in the sense that people are
doing this and they're likethere was a period of time where
it was incubation, where youwere trying to find organized.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Definitely the first.
Like July, august, september,the fall of 2023, late summer
and fall.
I tried all different kinds ofstuff.
I put a bunch of othercharacters out there other than
the Wall Street intern.
I mean I had like moms checkinginto resort you know, resorts
for vacation with like a towelon my head.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I love your female work.
Actually, you're incredible atfemale.
The Get Ready With Me was thefirst thing I saw and I
immediately followed you.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I had no idea my friends will sometimes say that
I have a little bit of a camfrom Modern Family in me.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'm just like I've got a 35 BMI and I'm gay.
Anyway we digress.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Lily.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
That was great, though Longs, I will say.
When I reached out to him, thisis August of 2023.
By January 1st of 2025, he hadgone from about 18,000 followers
to about 45, just shy of 50.
And then from 50,000 followers,which was basically Jan 1, 2024
, by the time we hit June 1,2024, so six months later, I
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think we had eclipsed a quarter.
You had eclipsed a quarter of amillion people following you on
just Instagram.
The get ready with me's werebig.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
The get ready with me were In.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
January of last year.
A year ago, I was sitting on myphone and I was watching some
fucking eighth grader talk abouthow she was pissed that they
were going back to school afterthe holiday break and there was
a new rule that the kidscouldn't have phones at school.
And she was in shambles,freaking out while just dousing
a gallon's worth of drunkelephant foundation on her face.
(39:13):
And then the professor orteacher, miss williams, is gonna
take my phone from me.
I'm not gonna text anybody.
Like when we're with myboyfriend, jason, like oh my god
, it's gonna suck, like all thisshit, and it's just like, all
right, this has to be addressedbecause it's all over the
internet and it's not just, it'snot kids.
Most of the time when I'm doingthe videos I'm making fun of
like, like grown ass women andmen Like it's like, get ready
(39:37):
with me to get fired from my job, get ready with me to go to
jury duty, get ready with me tolike just be a fucking human.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Tell my boyfriend I'm pregnant.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
That one, that one caught on.
I did it.
I would.
I would just search in Tik TOKlike G R W M and see what would
come up and what was the mostpopular and one of them was get
ready with me to tell myboyfriend that I'm pregnant, and
so I did a video where I brokethe news to my boyfriend.
It was a three-parter orfour-parter that we were with
child and no, it was like afucking.
We rode the pregnancy for twotrimesters and people were like
(40:07):
we need this, like what's upwith the baby, daddy Jason,
what's going on?
And it was pretty funny and Ipeople are, I think, are kind of
pissed at me that I didn't rideit the whole way, because the
baby was due at christmas and hewas gonna be named jesus and
it's gonna be a whole thing.
But I, just I, I I got pulledin other directions but um puts
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you.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
You haven't seen any of this, which is so funny to me
.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
But like I've seen some of it.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yes, he puts like whipped cream on his hands.
Like whipped cream peanutbutter he gets the tongs that
you like, flip steaks with, andthat's for the hair.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
You're always super late.
You're always late.
You're always late.
If you're making a get readywith me and you're on time,
you've already fucking lost youdon't make a get ready with me,
unless you're at the boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
She tells him he's pregnant and she just like
lightly says that he goes anddoesn't talk to her and passes
out.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
He's just like literally out cold and the
parents hate her.
The parents hate her, theboyfriend, it's like a whole.
She's like I think it's goingto be dramatic.
It was a whole bit.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
So these start as one thing About a year ago.
Yeah, you write a thing the GetReady With and then that
character kind of hits and thenyou're like, oh, let me expand
on the story.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, totally Expand on the story.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Have any of these been more fully baked when you
produced that first video whereyou're like I can?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
see the whole character.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Or you've mapped it out, or you're just kind of like
serendipitously, like justrolling and flowing, like you
mean like sort of premeditated,I have the story all set up.
Yeah, yeah that.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah yeah boyfriend and the parents, or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I would say I mean something like the Wall Street
Intern, something like the DavidGoggins impersonations that I
do.
Oh, I haven't seen those yet oh, dude, I'm like running
shirtless all over the all overAmerica screaming on the camera.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
David Goggins is an ex Navy SEAL motivational
speaker super intense.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
The guy runs 100 miles in the desert.
He basically tells you to getin pain for your whole life and
it's just a funny juxtapositionto see me running with my shirt
off versus him running with hisshirt off.
But I do a good impersonation,it sounds like him.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Are they all?
I'm going to watch these assoon as we're done.
Here You're doing differentvoices and stuff yeah, I mean to
a certain point.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I mean I would say like the, the get ready with me.
Girls are super girly, kind ofsassy, like yeah like no hey
guys, get ready with me to go todinner at the club with my mom
and dad.
I'm so annoyed because my momgot me this super cute maxi but
my dog took a shit on it and nowI can't wear it.
And then David Goggins will belike I'm running with my shirt
(42:47):
off.
You have to know him, but it'slike I see it all the time,
motherfuckers being littlebitches, just screaming, just
cursing, yelling.
I broke my femur back in NorthCarolina.
He's fuckers be little bitches,just screaming, just like
cursing, like yelling, and likeI, you know, I broke my femur
back in north carolina and likehe's just still running.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
He's still running and like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
And then you know it, the emergency board meeting,
the old board member characterfolks, and we want to thank you
for coming to the annual meetingof the board.
We have a lot we have to talkabout here.
Chauncey Stilton's grandsonwore white jeans in the dining
room last night, so he's beendinged from the club.
Jim, would you please removeyour hat.
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Thank you.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Anyway, so if you have a problem.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
You know that kind of shit.
There's like different voicesand things like that.
I can do accents and whatever.
A lot of the characters I don'thave a premeditated thing.
I know that there's runway withthem.
If nothing else I can just do,insert XYZ character over this,
Like Pookie and Jet, for example.
I don't know if you know whothe Pookinator and Jet are no no
.
Pookie and Jet are this couplefrom.
They live in Atlanta.
(43:47):
They're so over the top.
I mean they're cute, they're inlove, I get that.
But he's the guy who's likethey do these fit checks where
they're standing together sideby side, so I make them.
Where it's a split screen, I'mthe guy and I'm also the chick
and they've got these southernaccents and Jet starts every
video with like good lord, babe,that outfit is a knockout 10
out of 10.
(44:07):
You're going to look evenbetter on my floor.
You thought I was on a businesstrip.
Last week I actually flew toPalm Beach where I secured you a
new push present for becausewe're having our baby paloma and
he buys her like a fuckingfifty thousand dollar birkin and
she's wearing like a milliondollars worth of jewels and it's
like so over the top but likepeople have fallen in love with
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them and I get it.
They're great and cute, butthey're also I mean you can't
not fucking make fun of thesepeople like they're out of
control.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
They're all based on people that you really do see.
I was talking last night, andwhat was fascinating to me was
that you seem to have almost aphotographic memory of the
details of human behavior.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I think that's actually true.
I haven't thought about that.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
You sort of see someone.
I remember.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I will see something unfold in front of me, whether
it's something big and memorableor something minor, like
someone's mannerisms or whatever, and I will remember either how
they sounded, the inflection intheir voice, what they did, and
I can picture it when I'm thentrying to regurgitate it in my
own thing.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
It's incredible.
It's an incredible talent.
What's the future?
How do you see it?
It's all good.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
It's all good Take over.
I met him this morning.
We gave him a hot meal and hehasn't left.
It's called starting and notfinishing.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
The future I would.
I mean I was saying earlier thefor the first year, which we
just kind of wrapped up, my goalwas just to be consistent and
kind of not to sound dramaticbut kind of show up every day
and just make a video every dayprocess over results.
See what happens exactly nowthat we're entering year two, or
, as my the suit here likes tosay, that was was year zero.
This is year one.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Atta boy, I like year one.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
I'm going to be a little bit more targeted in
building out characters thathave worked.
So being intentional aboutstorylines when does Chad go?
What happens to him?
So we build a story.
Palm Beach Dad, all of thesedifferent characters that I'm
doing.
So I'm going to have some buildout some storylines for them.
(46:21):
I'd love to get involved insome scripted stuff, tv or film.
Somehow that was the impetusfor doing this in the first
place, rather than 10 years agohaving to kind of wait tables
and go on auditions.
You can kind of get your nameout there and build a brand with
social media.
So that was kind of theoriginal what do you got right
(46:42):
now?
point for this instagram it's alittle over 600 000 between
instagram and tiktok instagram315 000 supposedly.
It's going to go away thissunday on the how do you feel
about that?
Speaker 3 (46:54):
is that panicky for everybody?
I?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I think it is panicky .
I was just with a couple peoplein Palm Beach who were talking
about their content creators butmainly their followings are on
TikTok and they were genuinelyfreaking out.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
Yeah, your lifeblood.
But.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
I've never liked or trusted TikTok.
There was a massive shift fromCOVID, like 2020 until recently,
where brands used to allocateall of these marketing dollars
to TikTok because of the sheervolume and usage on the app.
But then people started torealize 95% of TikTok are
(47:36):
children under the age of like14, who, who don't even have you
, don't have a dollar to spend,so people weren't buying on
tiktok.
Like on instagram you have,like every middle-aged woman
across america is not has aninstagram account following her
friend who's married, who sheenvies, and goes on.
(47:57):
Like every talk show and likesits in the crowd.
They call them the talk showcohort.
Those are the people you wantto tap into.
Those are the people I don'tmean this from like a salesy,
skeevy way, but like those arethe people who are spending
money.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Adults, kids don't on TikTok, are learning dances.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
The TikTok live shopping is massive, that's true
, that's true.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's a demo from Walker.
It is.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, no, but you could do some parodies of live
shopping, I would think Totallyand actually sell things while
you're paradise, the parodying.
I like doing the parody stuffBecause there's a great bathrobe
company that I think they dowhat's it called again Wakanichi
.
But anyway, this isn't about mybathrobes, guys.
(48:41):
It isn't about the softestcotton terry in the world that
we're not talking about.
Just relax.
No, no, we're massive.
No, no, no, we're selling out,we're sold out.
Look, we're not going to talkabout my incredible business.
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You go ahead.
You didn't hear about theirdeal with Four Seasons.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
No, I just wonder about your observation of social
media world and what it is.
You talked about thisaspirational thing where people
are jealous of each other.
There's arguably some unhealthystuff about that's going on
there that some people are into,some people aren't.
Sure, is there some level ofcommentary about your
observations of this, or is itall kind of a good-natured sort
(49:27):
of?
Is there any cynicism behindthis, or is it pretty?
Speaker 1 (49:32):
You mean social media in general?
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, kind of like these characters that you're.
Oh the characters no, thecharacters Not just the
characters, but the fact thatyou're imitating them doing
their social media.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
My goal is for my page to be a place not to sound
cheesy, but where people can go.
Obviously, 99.9% of the world orAmerica, america have iPhones
now and you're on your way towork, you're sitting in the
bathroom stall avoiding yourboss, you're going home, you're
in bed, you just whip out yourphone and you can scroll and see
(50:06):
whatever you want.
So the accessibility is crazy.
My goal is for my page to bejust a brief respite happy place
, be just a brief respite happyplace where people can go and
kind of escape whatever is goingon in their life at the moment,
whether it's dramatic orsomething very simple, simple
(50:26):
and I um, there's no thecharacters that I do.
People will ask me, especiallywhen it comes to some of like
the one percent humor making funof like wealthy people and
country clubs and that like howdo you know all of this stuff?
And it's definitely a worldthat I grew up around and in a
little bit and like so I'mdirectly making fun of like
(50:48):
myself and like my peers and myfamily and my friends and it's
not at all like.
It's not like me throwingfucking cheap shots from you
know across the bow, being likejealous or something of a world
that I don't know.
Some of the reason that I thinkit works so well if I do, it
will toot my horn, I guess isthe specificity that I drill
(51:10):
into.
People are like wait, yeah,like that's exactly it yeah,
that's exactly what happens, andhe's sort of right, so like it
it's a joyful spirit.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
People are good at making fun when there's like
love underneath and there's justlove underneath and he's a
big-hearted guy and so youhaven't watched it yet.
But it's like you know, youhaven't watched any of it and
and no but, I but it, but it is.
It's just that thing.
It does make you feel good.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
The nuance of the references lead people to feel
like he's talking directly toyou.
It's like my club that I go toin Palm Beach.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Your golden retriever sconce at eight.
You swallow your wife's bangleand now you're on I-95 on the
way to the animal hospital.
I've got to get the stomachpumped and your kid's late for
lacrosse practice at brunswickand it's just fucking chaos, and
you know and have you gottenany flack for?
uh, kind of talking about theseproper nouns that people are
(52:06):
protective of, like certainclubs, private clubs once in a
while people but like no, forthe most part people who are in
the thick of that world that I'mmaking fun of enjoy it.
They laugh at it and I thinkit's fun Because it's not like
I'm attacking, as long as I'mnot using specific names, and
this is the person who thishappened to.
(52:27):
You can kind of laugh in plainsight.
Hide and laugh in plain sight.
There was one time I went tolunch with a good family friend
at the B&T in Palm Beach.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
It's a bathroom tennis club.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
for those of you less cool, bath and tennis.
Bath and tennis in Palm Beachand we had lunch.
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
This one woman.
Bathrooms and tennis.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Basically, basically my bath and tennis bathing pool,
so your restaurant should becalled a bathroom, restaurant
yes.
Yes, yes.
We gave this guy one hot mealthis morning and he hasn't
laughed like if you give a mousea cookie like you know.
But anyway, we'll.
We'll address that in a second.
But we're at the b and t andwe're having lunch and, like,
this woman comes up to me andshe's talking about how they
(53:10):
just sent their nanny over tostad to pick up her 12 year old
from boarding school.
I mean, the amount of materialis phenomenal and I
intentionally left my phone athome just so that there wasn't
even a problem, because youcan't film at these places.
You'll get in trouble and I'm aguest.
Fast forward, a week later Imake a video.
Chad goes to the B&T Genericgreen screen.
(53:32):
Nothing related to anything Isaw.
I just made up my own stuff.
Someone at the bnt, some member, drove over to the bnt,
manually flipped through thefucking guest book to find who I
was and what member brought me.
Had the club call the memberand demand I take the video down
(53:53):
.
The only reason I took thevideo down was because I didn't
want my good friend to have todeal with the bullshit that this
fucking person was putting themthrough.
But like other than that I mean.
No, it's no.
One usually has a problem.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
What about the influencers?
What about the wake eyes?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
No, no no, no, they don't.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Like, have you from the, the couple that you talked
about, oh, that's actually true.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I don't think they love me too much we actually we
actually well, yeah, they don'tlove me a whole lot how do you
know that?
I don't know it the reason.
I think it is because for tworeasons.
Number one they will usuallyrepost people who are doing
their their stick, their stuff,and I do their stuff on like a
nuclear level.
Like I have sent probably halfa million followers their way.
(54:40):
People thought that I made uppookie and jett people were like
wait, we didn't realize theywere real people.
So anyway, I know they've seenmy stuff.
Campbell pookie, the wife, ifyou're watching this, hi, I
don't have a problem with you.
She dm'd me once and like sentme a heart.
I thought my thing was cute,but then I started talking about
how Jet's always horny andwanted to sneak up to the
(55:03):
primary suites 2025 and douseher in Chick-fil-A and show her
the Continental 48, somethinginappropriate like that.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
They're like Christian.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
They're kind of over my thing now but, I just when I
do those videos, just visually,it's funny because a lot of
people think I have an identicaltwin.
I'm like are you guys fuckingtouched?
No, it's me doing two differentcharacters on the same screen.
People are like, oh my god,they're so good, they're so
(55:36):
funny.
I didn't realize there were twoof you and I'm like that's
great.
Thank you for the support.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
But it's just me.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
And so those videos are kind of an automatic viral
video.
They're funny to watch, they'refunny to kind of, and Pookie
and Jet are hot right now.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
How big is this?
Excuse my ignorance about allthis stuff, but how how big is
this genre of a parody, sort ofthings like this?
Speaker 1 (55:59):
I don't not, not very , I don't really know.
I just started doing it withsome parody and because like it
it worked, and like I've keptdoing it like um I think there's
a point where a lot of peopleimitate one specific thing yeah,
well, they'll make fun of likeyou're the corporate guy, yes,
or?
You're the country club guy oryou're the fitness guy, but like
(56:20):
, like my page will say walker'sworld, like you're gonna get a
little bit of everything yeah,you have a huge range.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Do you have characters in the quiver that no
one's seen?
That you're excited about?
Speaker 1 (56:29):
we're gonna tap into, like the at home, like cooking
influencer people who like cookwe've got a lot of fun stuff
we're tapping into, like theboating and yacht world.
Um, we're doing a lot of we'rebranching out good for sure
that's exciting.
Um, which will be fun, andwe're bringing the emergency
(56:49):
board member back, the oldstickler I like board guy, I
like soft, he's soft, yeah, he'ssoft.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
And even ke he's soft , and stern, even keeled, even
keeled Exactly.
That's nice.
I'll be in the grill room witha fresh cup of gazpacho.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
What were?
Speaker 2 (57:04):
you saying you do do TikTok as well, I do TikTok.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
I put whatever I put on Instagram on TikTok, but I
don't put much.
I've never really trustedTikTok.
Because, it's not like there'sno.
Can I ask?
Speaker 3 (57:15):
something this is my own neuroses when you post and
you see there's immediate data,right, and you see that one gets
like 6.9 million views and onestays in the low 100,000 or
one's like 40,000.
Do you have any emotionalreaction to that?
I mean?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
yes, in the sense that I'll be like oh, I thought
sometimes I'll post a video thatI think is going to be like
just a killer and it gets100,000 views yeah and other
times I'll post a video that Ithink eh not great and it
fucking blows up so like youjust don't know how people are
going to react and what I mean.
We're at the mercy of thesegoddamn algorithms I know
(57:55):
they're annoying um, so whateverthat, you know, whatever the
fuck zuck feels like that day,we'll see what happens with my
videos.
But yeah, I'll be like damn.
Of course I want each video toget as many eyeballs as possible
.
So when I, when one doesn't doas well as I hope it does, I'll
be like, you know, it doesn'tbother me.
But I'll be like like damn, Iwish it had done better, I guess
(58:17):
, but I don't.
Yeah, it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
So I have to talk a little bit about stand-up,
because we saw a show last nighttogether.
I've been hanging out at theCellar, as the listeners know,
and one of the things that sortof blew my mind is that even the
top comedians, like DaveChappelle was there last night,
yeah, but he and all of themwill say like you just don't
know, you think you have a goodjoke and then you do it and you
just don't know.
Yeah, and it's like at thatlevel really, you just don't
(58:43):
know, and so it just applied tolike these videos.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
I've noticed any off that night, or in my case the
video doesn't go as viral as Ihope.
My whole philosophy is.
I believe in like what I'mdoing and like what I put out
there, and I know that this islike a quality video yeah, so I
(59:13):
don't really care what peoplesay to it or how big it gets out
there.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
How does it this idea of using response to gauge what
?
You want to put out is onethat's really irritating to me
he made me do this writingcourse that you have to write
every day, and the whole thingwas write a thing, put it out
and, based on exactly what thesepeople are saying, figure out
(59:45):
how to do the next one.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Which is challenging creatively for me, because I
think there's a part ofcreativity, a big part of
creativity, where you're askingyourself what you want to do, a
part of creativity, a big partof creativity, where you're
asking yourself what you want todo.
So do you look at a video thatdoes really well and how much
does that motivate you tocontinue down that road?
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, it definitely does.
If I make a video that goesviral, I'm like, okay, this was
great, people enjoyed it.
I'm going to do it again.
But I'll tell you now that I'vekind of lapped a year of doing
this.
I've gotten so many of my newerfollowers haven't seen so much
of my original stuff, so I spentlike a week between Christmas
and New Year's posting videosthat I posted over the, you know
(01:00:27):
, six months ago or eight or tenmonths ago, so like and they're
still on your page.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Totally, they're still down there, but a lot of
people just missed them.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
So you know I posted.
There's one video.
The Chad goes to Vail Fourseasons.
They're still down there but alot of people just missed them.
There's one video the Chad Goesto Vail four seasons.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I posted that last.
Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
February, when I posted that, it got a million
views.
When I posted it a week ago, itgot like 100,000.
It depends on how it getspushed.
Same video.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
That's a very good data point, yeah, and that
happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I also post, do you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
know how many hours you have of stuff on your
internet.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
God.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
It's a lot A shit ton I would love to know that's
that too.
Yeah, a ton.
Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
And now from a manager's standpoint is there,
what's the game?
Feel like you have to protectit in any way.
Do you feel like just keepblasting?
Is there a strategy involvednow for you, or is it just like
(01:01:27):
get this horse running and doingwhat he loves and we'll sort of
make it up as we go along?
Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I'll say the strategy is actually to convert some of
the characters from the shortform into a long form entity
that has actual IP that we canlicense.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Who is a model of that?
It's done it in this world.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Hot Ones.
Hot Ones just had that hugeexit.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
He's not a character, but he has his own smaller
thing.
Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Friday Beers, I think , is a great example of somebody
who took a page that he doesn'teven have a character.
It's a meme account thatdeveloped a media company and
this whole ethos of what they dohas become, spawned, this
massive who's the guy?
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
There's the dude who was doing videos and now he has
the Netflix show the Teacher.
He's the teacher.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Whatever, no, no, he's got a legit Hulu show.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
He's like a scripted Hulu show.
Yeah, he's, and he's like inthe classroom.
Yeah, he had a character.
Yeah, this guy.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
That stuff's really powerful.
As you go and this is just mebeing an older kind of
unsolicited advice thing, justreally having a specific model
and seeing that it can be done-and obviously you'll do new ways
, but that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
He's a perfect example.
That'd be something I wouldwant to do your characters are
so deep.
Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
How to show based on a character.
Do you have ideas of how to getthe order?
Are you mainly right now eitherthinking about what some of
these characters go longer indifferent forms and also just
getting money for products?
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
I had the pleasure of getting to know Bruckheimer
pretty well and he said I knowthat my taste resonates with a
large mass of population.
I feel like my sensibility andtaste is that way.
If I give Walker the thumbs up,it usually means that he has my
stamp of approval.
Do I specifically come in andhammer creative ideas to him?
No, I leave that to him.
But I have a really strongsense that if I like something,
(01:03:12):
mass audience likes what I likeand that's my sort of North Star
.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Does Brookheimer know he plays hockey?
Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I mean I would love to Get back on the ice here
Please let's get him Swap afucking GoPro.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I played in that.
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I was in a hockey league in LA and I don't know if
the Brookheimer League is stillgoing, but it was a fun time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
So just real fast the money, part of it.
So you will take okay, here'sthe overall account and you'll
go to yeah, I mean it's like awhole you have like underlying,
of how many people are engagingwith this content.
Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
And then you go to the companies and you say you
pitch them.
Yeah, I pitch Walker and I saylike again, there's data on
about people are reallysurprised to find out that
actually he has more of a femalefollowing than a male following
.
I'm not surprised.
And then those little notesthat I can bring to sort of help
the brand understand how thatwe can activate together.
(01:04:02):
Activate just means post andhave it be a partnership.
That's what my goal is.
But one thing I wanted to comeback to that you brought up was
about the TikTok ban, and TikTokfollowers are what I call cheap
followers.
There is no sense of communitythat you have with who you
follow on TikTok.
So about a million followers onTikTok is probably worth about
the same as 100,000 followers onInstagram.
(01:04:23):
So Walker's Instagram followingin that community.
When you follow somebody onInstagram, you've got to manage
that ratio of followers tofollowing and that's your own
personal persona.
So an Instagram follower is amore expensive follower.
Truly, they care to show you.
Hey, I'm part of thisWalkSauce42 underscore community
.
When you see somebody, now thatfollows him, you automatically
(01:04:44):
have that kismet moment of likeoh my God.
Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, I like.
When I see liked by a friend,I'm like, oh, we watch the same
thing.
That's the value that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I can see how much message board interaction do you
feel is necessary and do you do.
That's the value that I can see.
How much message boardinteraction do you feel is
necessary and do you do, like inthe DMs and stuff?
Yeah, like hearty comments.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I try to respond to every DM that I get, which takes
a while that's crazy and thencommenting I'll get in, and I'll
get in there sometimes and I'llengage, but sometimes it's fun
to just kind of watch it unfold.
Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Wait, every DM.
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Caesar vibes with the Coliseum.
Play it out.
Yeah, I mean not in the hiddensection.
Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Oh, oh oh.
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
But like in their suggested DMs and the primary
DMs I'll try to get back.
Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
So that just means you have like a mutual follower,
hidden DMs is where, like, thefull crapshoot is.
Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Anything from spam to A lot of spam.
Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Now Some 40-year-old dude in Milwaukee who liked my
bit.
Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Yeah, and he's rubbing one out to him.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Meaning the people you respond to are people that
you know.
Either know or have mutualfriends with A little bit closer
proximity.
Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
There's a filter.
There's a filter on it.
It has to be one degree ofseparation.
Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
We got to wrap this up because you got to go and
this has been so good.
But I had one question that Iwant to kind of end with and
it's about serendipity, becausewe kind of are doing this in a
beautiful way.
We got introduced through afriend barely because I'm
putting stuff out, and heobviously is putting stuff out
and these social media engines,which I've resisted for a long
time, but they do feel like justserendipity flywheels.
(01:06:17):
So I was curious if there'ssomething that sort of pops out
for you as you've been on thisincredible meteoric rise, which
I think is super cool.
It really is Like last night atthe thing like someone saw me
from New Girl.
I took a picture and then likeeight people were like dude, I
love you, and I was like oh,yeah, yeah, like a picture.
And then like eight people werelike dude, I love you, and I
(01:06:39):
was like oh, yeah, yeah, likeit's, it's the.
The game is completely changed.
So serendipity highlights iswhat I'm asking.
Do you have any some fun flowyou've had in the last year that
you that pops?
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
out in your head like stuff that's kind of yeah, just
like weird, yeah like youmentioned molly's, like the yeah
, you know, yeah, molly peoplewanting to like do stuff with me
in person, I'll get people.
I got invited to perform and goto this lady's 50th birthday
luncheon at Round Hill inGreenwich.
(01:07:07):
It was 75 Greenwich moms allover the place.
They paid for this.
I didn't pay to go therealthough I would have you guys
were great, but I was there.
They hit you up, but then I gotback for this and I didn't pay
to go there, although I wouldhave.
You guys were great, but uh, I,uh I was there for that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
They hit you up actually, but then I got back.
Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I have never.
I have a very high socialbattery and like I get charged
by being with people, thatfucking sucked the life out of
me I got home at like midnight Iwas like oh my god, I was like
I can't even move.
The next morning I got a phonecall from this random like 310
number and it was like, hey,this is molly sims's assistant.
She wants you to come to herfashion week event.
(01:07:42):
I was like, oh, like molly sims, it sounds so familiar.
So I googled it.
I was like, oh yeah, I had aposter of molly sims on my wall
like growing up, like totally.
So I went there and she was sonice and great, she's like come
to my house in la someone,you're out there next.
And I went there and then Ijust like the, the snowball
effect of just kind of sayingyes to these opportunities has
(01:08:03):
brought me to cool places.
I had never even been to palmbeach, florida when I started
doing the palm beach dad.
That's crazy now I when I walkaround palm beach, like not to
sound arrogant, like I'mbasically like the fucking Pope.
It's insane.
I have people like 60-year-oldwomen dragging their 20-year-old
(01:08:24):
kid out of their Ferrari beinglike this is my Chad, this is my
husband.
I'm like, hi, how are you?
Nice to meet you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
That's been really cool.
How did you know the specificsabout the place?
Chad GPT?
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Yeah, a little bit of Chad GPT.
But I have friends who grew upgoing there and it's all kind of
plug and play.
I was telling you guys lastnight.
Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Yeah, say that this is good.
Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
People in Palm Beach.
The guy in Palm Beach who'srenting in the Hamptons for the
summer over Labor Day weekendhas the same fucking problems.
He's chomping at the bit to geta doctor to do a telehealth
visit, to get his kids medicalforms in for Palm Beach Day,
(01:09:18):
just like the Greenwich dad inNantucket is for fucking
Brunswick, just like thePalisades dad is for John Thomas
Dye.
Everyone's got the same problem.
The Palm Beach family who areall about goldens their golden
retriever sconce.
It took a shit on the G650ER onthe way to the Yellowstone Club
, just like the Greenwichfamily's labradoodle took a piss
on the carpet on the citationflying to Sun Valley, idaho.
It's all the same shit.
Both families on opposite sidesof the country are paying to
(01:09:41):
have the fucking carpets of theplane shampooed.
It's just what kind of dog tookthe shit, or what school is the
kid going to.
You know so it's all this plugand play.
So people are like, how do youknow?
And it's really, it's the sameattitude, it's the same tenure
or tenor mood.
You just gotta know.
Like, what are the cars thesepeople are driving in the
(01:10:02):
different towns?
What are the rest?
I mean, every fucking dad inGreenwich right now has a Rivian
on back order.
Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
That's just like a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
You meet any dad who works in Wall Street or lives up
in Fairfield County.
He's got a Rivian on back orderand he's fucking pissed about
it.
So you know you just got toplug in and ask some questions
and then take some notes.
Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
That is the strongest ending I could have ever
imagined for this podcast hey,this is WalkSauce42.
Underscore what a treat thishas been.
Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Let's go Truly truly.
Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Thank you, you ripped .
And anything you finally,anything we want to plug as we
head out here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
We're just getting warmed up.
Yeah, year one, this is justthe beginning.
Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Year zero is over.
Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Year zero is over.
We're going to get ourcolleague over here at the north
end of the table a hot meal andsend him on his way.
And thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
All right, good man Bye.
Oh man, that was a treat torevisit.
That is our conversation withwalker ward uh, who somehow
managed to turn getting firedover a cocaine fueled tommy
bahama client and are into oneof the best things that has ever
happened to him.
If you enjoyed this episode,you could find find Walker on
(01:11:17):
Instagram at walksauce42underscore the underscore
matters.
A very special thanks to myhomeless friend, jeremy Sisto,
my comedy buddy, my brother.
Thank you for being there, forpushing that, for making that
happen Wouldn't have happenedwithout you, big boy.
I really do appreciate it.
(01:11:38):
And thank you to Fran Seratorifor discovering the talent that
is Walker Ward.
I wish both of youextraordinary success.
If you enjoyed this episode, goahead and comment.
Show us some love, like,subscribe, share, share with
(01:12:00):
people that are fans of Walkeror you think would be fans of
Walker.
I hope you will.
I hope to show this episode andget it into as many eardrums as
possible.
So whatever help you can, Iwould very, very much appreciate
it.
Also, if you think that Ishould be interviewing anybody,
(01:12:22):
this happened because someonereached out and said I think you
two should talk.
If that tickles you too, pleasedo not hesitate, do not.
I would love it.
The serendipity wheel isturning and I want more.
I'm addicted to it.
I love me.
The serendipity wheel isturning and I I want more.
I'm addicted to it.
I love me some serendipity.
So I thank you in advance.
(01:12:43):
I hope everyone has anincredible week full of love and
adventure, venery and hugs,kisses, all the good things in
life, and I'll see you next week.
Bye.
It's all kind of plug and play.
(00:01):
I was telling you guys lastnight the guy in Palm Beach
who's renting in the Hamptonsfor the summer over Labor Day
weekend has the same fuckingproblems.
He's chomping at the bit to geta doctor to do a telehealth
visit, to get his kids medicalforms in for Palm Beach Day,
just like the Greenwich dad inNantucket is for fucking
Brunswick.
Just like the Palisades dad isfor John Thomas Dye.
(00:22):
Like it's all, everyone's gotthe same problem.
The Palm Beach family who areall about goldens, their golden
retriever sconce.
It took a shit on the G650 ERon the way to the Yellowstone
Club, just like the Greenwichfamily's labradoodle took a piss
on the carpet on the citationflying to Sun Valley, idaho.
(00:43):
It's all the same shit.
Both families on opposite sidesof the country are paying to
have the fucking carpets of theplane shampooed.
It's just what kind of dog tookthe shit.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That was a clip from my very hilarious interview with
Walker Ward, aka WalkSauce42underscore.
I sat down with Walker recentlyin New York City.
I was doing some open micsthere and I was with Jeremy
Sisto and Walker came up for anhour or so with his manager,
(01:16):
franz Seratori, and the four ofus just shot the breeze.
But it was so funny.
We got into some really coolinside information about his
origin story, about how thisexplosive growth on social media
, how it works, how you startmaking money, what his
(01:37):
inspiration is, all thedifferent characters he plays.
So if you haven't seenWalkSauce42's stuff yet, just
pause right now, go watch acouple of his videos on his
Instagram and then come back.
It's so good.
I fell in love with him.
I got to thank Medora Westcottfor putting us in touch and we
(01:59):
hit it off beautifully.
So credit where credit is due.
The serendipity wheel of thispodcast and social media in
general is doing it right, and Igot to meet and hang with this
wonderfully talented, extremelyfunny man.
He tells so many funny storieshe had us howling with laughter,
(02:19):
but also a lot of deep insightsinto how this weird game works,
and really it was so coolbecause it was an origin story.
It's his start and he still is.
He's only a year in and so he'sgot this whole life ahead of
him.
He's early 30s, whole lifeahead of him, and he used to be
(02:40):
a banker and now he's kind of.
People are taking pictures withhim on the sidewalk.
It's a really cool, fascinatingstory.
So buckle up.
If this is your first time here,this is a podcast called
Starting Stand Up.
I'm David Walton and it'sreally just a track my my
journey trying to get good atstandup comedy.
(03:01):
So it's behind the scenes stuff, some open mics.
To get good at stand-up comedy.
So it's behind the scenes stuff, some open mics, all my
failures, and mostly I just talkabout, you know, feces and sex,
and already you know we've gotthe word feces going, so we're
staying on brand here already.
Anyway, please enjoy and I'lltalk to you after the interview.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Oh man, that's rubbish, that's rubbish.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I just.
It's a pack of.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Netflix.
I want to say that throughoutthis interview, Sisto's not
going to understand probably 50%of the terms.
You need a poor guy in thegroup.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
All right, exactly, yeah, but we'll start.
We'll talk about horse countryand your club and all that kind
of thing.
Don't worry, we'll get into it.
We'll get into it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I, we'll get into that, we'll get into that, I'm
not worried.
So congratulations.
I asked you last night when wefirst met face-to-face, whether
you were making some dough andthen you immediately were like
yeah, and I was so excited.
I see all these influencers,you see these people explode.
You see the hundreds ofthousands and it's like I don't
understand how people are makingmoney, because I had a bathrobe
company.
We hired influencers to hawkour bathrooms and no one bought
(04:28):
anything.
So, yeah, I don't get it.
Well, you saw you two take methrough how people are making
money in this game well, take myhand, let me take my little
journey here, gentlemen, but, uh, you know, first of all,
honored to be here, walks house42 in the house.
Underscore, bro, exactly, don'tforget the underscore yeah, if
you search walks house 42 in thehouse Underscore, bro, exactly,
don't forget the underscore.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
If you search Waxhouse 42 without the
underscore, you get some dudewho's got at least 17 wives, all
of whom are his sisters.
Lives in deep Alabama somewhere, so don't go down that rabbit
hole Anyway, can.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I ask quickly about the underscore, please.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
The name was taken.
Obviously the name was taken.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Obviously the name was the numbers.
The numbers were taken as well.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The name was yeah, originally I was.
I just wanted to be walk sauce.
It was taken and then I waslike, all right, I'm gonna be
original and go with my collegehockey number 42 okay, uh, you
know I'm an athlete and uhhockey players through the 42 in
there, and then the 42 wastaken.
So then naturally, the nextnext door down, pop the
underscore in there.
And then we were cooking withgas.
(05:24):
We threw the underscore inthere, it's like a hiccup.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like saying your name with a hiccup.
It is it walks?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
us forward.
Anyway, when I made anInstagram, I was actually it was
my junior summer in college.
I was living in an NYU dorm,studying acting for film at the
NYU film academy.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So you already had an idea, because when I was
talking to you, I've alwaysknown.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I remember when I was like eight I saw Max Keeble's
Big Move, the movie about thekid who like sort of runs the
middle school.
He's got like spiky hair.
He like is the paper boy.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Movie or TV show Movie.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
This kid.
I resonate with this kid.
I'm Max Keeble.
I'm just a little bit doughier.
I've got the energy.
I'm not a paper boy, but I canmake it happen.
I want to be in movies likethis kid.
There was this kid who I grewup with named Connor Gibson.
Connor, if you're watching this, how you doing pal?
But he would every Friday getdriven into New York to go on
auditions for child actingcommercials.
(06:31):
Where were you?
What's that?
Where'd you live?
Princeton, new Jersey.
Shout out 609.
Underscore, underscore.
And he got in this Kids NextDoor Cartoon Network commercial.
I was like like this is sick.
So I always loved the idea ofentertaining, performing, trying
to be in like television orfilm what did your parents think
of that?
I think they.
(06:51):
I am basically my mom, withoutthe Y chromosome, or no?
I have the Y chromosome, shedoesn't, so she they support it.
They've always supported me,which I'm lucky for she would
have wanted to do it kind ofthing Probably.
So now you know she's like thedance mom living vicariously
through me making sure you knowmy outfit's all good and get out
(07:12):
there on stage, kid.
No, I didn't.
But when I was, I got cut fromthe hockey team my sophomore
year of college and I was like,alright, I'm going to start
doing some live theater.
So I started doing plays andthat kind of thing and then it
snowballed into me what was this?
Hobart College baby, theHarvard and the Finger.
Lakes, slo-bart, exactly, wow,exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I didn't see that coming.
You're so smart to me.
Yeah, and clearly Hobart baby.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Hobart High-Loop.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Come on come on Slo-Bart Come on exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We pay you to come here and uh, it was great, I
liked hobart.
Hobart was a good time it getsa bad rap.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For sure.
There's smarter people theredepends who you are.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, yeah in the, in the um were you the smartest
person there uh, it depended whoyou asked.
If you asked me, I'd tell youyes.
If you asked any of myprofessors, they'd tell you
absolutely not.
Um, but uh, you know, here weare.
Everybody wants to be part of amiracle.
I graduated in four years.
The story actually of how Igraduated was pretty funny, but
we can get into that later.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So third year of college, you started doing plays
.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes, I just love performing and like getting a
script and finding a characterand like putting my twist on it
and then getting out there.
I'm a little show pony.
So, it was fun and I've alwaysbeen outgoing one of the funny
kids in class.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Were you always hairy .
Speaker 1 (08:32):
No, actually the hair came later, really, when I
started doing the nature walkswith Walker.
I see, but we can get into thatlater as well.
I actually used to be very, nothairy, oh okay, I used to look
just like a little baby'sbuttocks walking around every
day.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I remember I hated when they did shirts and skins
because I was like I got a latearmpit hair.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I didn't know you were a late bloomer.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, I was young for my class, I was a little late
too, and I had no armpit hair.
I don't know why that would beembarrassing now thinking about
it, but it was really an issuefor me.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
If you want to see embarrassing, you need to check
out Jeremy auditioning forTitanic.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I love that I'm not even in the part of the
conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I'm just a guy.
You're Jeremy.
I need everyone to see thisvideo.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I really do it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's so weird.
We'll talk about it later.
No, no, actually, this wholepodcast is taking a right turn.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Perfect.
No, no Strap in.
We're playing Jell-O.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It's with Kate Winslet.
It's a full screen test.
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's on the set.
I have a story, Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I just had to say that though.
Anyway, okay, so we're startingto get the bug, we're feeling
it.
We're feeling the flow.
You know you like to perform,you like to make people laugh.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Didn't know how to really get into the world of
acting professionally.
Television film I saw an opencasting call for once.
Disney bought Star Wars.
They were like come to Michigan.
I was like no, I don't Wars.
They were like come to Michigan.
I was like no, I don't know ifI can get to Michigan.
I got the sides but then I justdidn't end up going and doing
it for like the first Star Warsthat Disney came out with?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
oh yeah, no, like the episode one yeah, one with Jar
Jar Binks.
No, no, no that's Rogue One.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You're thinking Phantom.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Menace like Natalie Portman.
Yeah, one with Jar Jar Binks.
No, no, no, that's order ofRogue One, rogue.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
One.
You're thinking Phantom Menace,like Natalie.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Portman.
No, I'm just getting very angryat Jar Jar Binks right now.
He's such a meanie, it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's aged better.
You guys don't hate Jar JarBinks, right no?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I mean I love the Phantom Menace.
You got fucking Darth Maul outthere To.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Jedi.
We will not live to see anotherday.
It was so bad, dude.
Yes, because that's what theywere doing.
It was like racist aliens.
They were doing like a badAsian accent, it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, moving on.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
RIP Qui-Gon.
We're going to stay focused onthe starting.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
The theme of this conversation is starting,
Starting starting, starting, sowe're going to stay on track,
Jeremy, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
No anyway.
So you're starting out.
So you got this tickle, butthen you took a turn.
Did I remember correctly fromlast night, daddy was a finance
guy.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Daddy was a finance guy, so essentially what
happened with Daddy- was hegraduated?
Sorry that I said that hegraduated contrary to popular
belief and worked at arestaurant on Nantucket for six
months.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Went back to Geneva, New York, to 315 G, Vegas, and
coached a local hockey team insome ice hockey and then worked
for a commercial real estatecompany.
I worked for Cushman Wakefieldin brokerage.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Shout out to Cushman Wakefield.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Shout out, cushman Still waiting on that commission
check in 2016, but we'll youknow well, it could come through
, dude I hope so, but um didthat for a year and then, uh,
went back up there for one moreyear.
I was basically just like tryingto hold on to college as long
as I could.
I was coaching our club team.
I led the Hobart club varsityclub hockey team to the first
(12:07):
ever UNYCHL Upstate New YorkClub Hockey League Title.
I was the coach and then theidiot kid who was running the
team, the manager, didn't fillout the forms at the beginning
of the season for us to beeligible for nationals.
So we're all celebrating, we'rethrowing this massive fucking
party at Hobart and we find outwe get an email that we're not
(12:28):
eligible for nationals, eventhough we fucking won the entire
upstate New York league and wewere livid.
So anyway, that high came to animmediate crash.
And then I got a phone callfrom the father of a family for
whom I babysat for a long time.
Back in high school he was thehead of sales at this company on
Wall Street, this sell-sidefirm.
(12:49):
He was like Walker, we'rehiring a junior on the sales
desk, would you be interested?
I said say less, packed my bags, came to the Big Apple and
never looked back.
So I worked there for six years.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So you were like, oh, maybe I could do this, maybe
I'd make some money.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, I was like look , I was held back in math in
high school.
If you ever told me that I wasgoing to have a chance to work
on Wall Street or do that kindof thing, I'd tell you you were
an idiot.
I never did the internships oranything like that.
I mean, I could barely add oneand one and get four, so I was
like you know, let's make ithappen and what a cool
opportunity.
(13:23):
And it allowed me to move to NewYork.
I remember being told growingup if I wanted to live the sort
of lifestyle that I was raisedaround, I was going to have to
have a quote-unquote real job.
And I never knew.
I didn't grow up.
I had some friends who knew Ihad this one kid I grew up with
who knew he wanted to work onWall Street when we were like 10
.
He was walking around withfucking business cards at the
(13:44):
country club pool like handing.
You know, just being like dude,like chill.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I have a friend who's just a real thing.
His kids are at Buckley, whichis very prestigious, like a
private school here in New YorkCity.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, I'm sure they speak Mandarin with their nanny
while they're eating theirdehydrated k.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We were eating a burger at JG Mellon's, of course
, and I look and you see all thelittle Buckley uniforms and
these kids are in second gradeand they're all tied together by
leashes.
And I'm just watching themslowly single file across.
She goes look at all thoselittle future CEOs.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It was so douchey.
They're in their Buckleyincubation program, but yeah, so
I took the job in New York andit was great.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You didn't want to do the thing, but you were like
which thing?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The Wall Street thing yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
No I was excited.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
No, I was excited.
I came to New York, Iinterviewed.
I was excited to get to NewYork try something new.
I came to New York, Iinterviewed.
I was excited to get to NewYork, try something new, have my
first real job, be on a salary,live in the city, go to the
office, that kind of stuff.
So I was excited and that wasyou said six years, right, yeah,
july 2018, five years actually,until I was rudely fired in
(15:05):
cold blood in July of 2023.
Is there?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
an NDA on that, or is that a story?
The NDA?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
is up.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It's a good story Spill it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
The NDA is up.
So what happened with that waswe had a Tuesday night in
Midtown, new York, the TommyBahama restaurant client event.
Drinks were flowing, theatmosphere was buzzing, deals
were being made, and I amchatting with a gentleman who
was part of the C-suite at thecompany.
(15:34):
I'm not going to name names andyou could tell that he was
pretty like racked, as the kidswere saying, and he had a
reputation for Racked, rackedit's going to be R, as in Roger,
a-c-k-e-d Racked, and so wewere.
The slang for he had areputation for dipping into the
(15:55):
bag and getting into the wrongsugar bowl, as they say.
He was like oh, I'll be rightback.
And we all see him walk out thedoor and get into this like
honda pilot, come back in, justbeeline it to the fucking ladies
room and then come back out andthe guy is just like a fucking
bull in a china shop, like allthis is a client event at 6 30
on a tuesday.
(16:15):
The guy's like 45 years old,he's got a pregnant wife at home
in new jersey, like children.
It's just he is I mean yeah,and he just doesn't know what,
what, what the hell is going on.
I was alright, I mean can wejust all like this guy is
fucking wrapped.
I mean he's high on coke and itwas just hysterical.
And he found out that I wasTalking about him and the next
(16:39):
day I got hit with a team'smessage from him being like hey,
can you click this link?
This is weird.
This guy never talks to me andit's just he and our head of hr
and he's like walker, look, youhaven't been performing, we're
gonna let you go.
I was like this is this isblasphemous did you see any
proof of this stuff?
I saw I mean I think everybodysaw proof just sprinkled all
over his fucking face but likeyeah, other than that no he
(17:01):
wasn't like walker into theHonda Pilot with me and watch
the transaction.
Other than that I saw the wholething.
And so he just heard that youwere like hey yes making jokes
yes and so he was like you knowwhat this kid's a liability, his
time's kind of run out.
We're gonna get rid of him.
So I got a lawyer and got likea little bit of a settlement.
It's funny because I was likethe culture guy at work.
(17:22):
I was there, I was the fuckingglue.
Since I have left, the place isin shambles, which is
hysterical.
Everybody has quit.
It's pretty funny.
Where I'm going with this is mydesk, to this day remains
untouched, similar to that ofAlbert Einstein at Princeton
University when he died.
(17:43):
His office remains untouched,similar to that of Albert
Einstein at Princeton Universitywhen he died.
His office remains untouched.
And when you take a tour ofPrinceton, I'm sure many of you
academics on here watching thiswill- know, this.
when you take a tour of the goodold Princeton University, they
will walk you by his office,sealed off, untouched papers,
askew equations on thechalkboard, you know brandy
(18:04):
spilled on the table, etc.
My desk remains untouched, withall my things my McDonald's
coupons, my basketball hoop, myyearbook, my MCT oil multi-chain
triglyceride oil from when Iwas going through my keto phase.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, bulletproof.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, you're damn right, so anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I had a good run.
You're a good company.
I'm in a Hollywood version ofRon Hubbard.
I had a good run, your company,a Hollywood version of Ron.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Hubbard, I had a good run.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They keep the door open and a cigarette lit in
there for his Really.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Is it because you have allies within the company
that love you and want to keepyour desk like that?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yes, yeah, my friends have all been like like my old
coworkers, like no, like hey Bob, like new guy, don't even
fucking look at this desk Likeget the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
What about the coke guy?
Is he like he's gone he?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
got fired, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Because of a lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Unrelated.
Could I feel like you couldhave made some money on a
countersuit or a lawsuit?
He didn't sue you.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We had a settlement.
It didn't have to become a.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You had a mediator or something like that.
Yeah, we had.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I just got a lawyer.
We wrote a couple letters.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So that was nice.
You got some runway as you wentinto unemployment, a little
runway going into unemployment.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And what year was that?
This was 2023,.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
July, which coincides with you already had an
Instagram account, but when wasyour first video post-firing?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Post-firing.
It happened pretty quickly.
My colleagues like Walker, wewant to help you get another job
.
We'll get you involved withsome interviews at other places,
and I was like you guys.
I don't know if the world ofslinging data is for me.
I might have a bigger purposeand they're like okay, we get it
.
And then so my girlfriend waslike you've always talked about
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performing and entertaining andblah, blah, blah.
Why don't you just start making?
Just put your fucking moneywhere your mouth is and this new
settlement, where money whereyour mouth is and make some
videos.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Can I ask you a quick question about what it was like
for those six years where youclearly have an itch and you are
a performer by your nature?
Is what you're now doing?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
like what's in your nature.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Did you feel, when you were working, that there was
a misery or there was adepression or there was any sort
of like thing that was, youfelt, blocked?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And also just to add to that, from what?
I know about that job at thattime?
Is they really push you?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You're like grinding For sure I mean like look, let's
be honest, I worked at like theteamu version of like a fucking
real sales and trading shop.
Like anyone who knows me, whoknows where I worked, is like
all right, yeah, like it's afucking fund, like they've got
employees in hr.
But like I mean, okay, it's ateamu version of a real shop,
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but, um, so it's not like I'mlike across the street here at
goldman, you know, working intothe wee hours of the morning
really making bank.
I was in sales.
I wasn't like an analyst.
You put a gun to my head.
I can't even fucking operate apivot table.
I don't know anything aboutExcel, anything.
(20:57):
I would just email my clients,call my clients.
Hey, bill, how you doing, how'sthe wife, how's the kid?
I know, let's.
I was trying to think somethingfunny to say, but I didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But, um, have you heard of amazon how's everybody
doing?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
yeah something has just come across my desk okay um
but anyway I um, but basicallyyeah
Speaker 2 (21:16):
it's called aerotime international two brothers out
of a shed in oregon um, butanyway, I uh wait.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What was I saying?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Oh the itch, so that salesman show yes so definitely
in sales.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
By nature, you get to be fun and clever and funny and
interact with people, which washuge.
I'm not joking when I say theculture guy thing I leaned into
that hard.
I would plan our holidayparties, I like.
I would host our off sites likeevery.
You know our h1.
That's, that's first half.
For those of you who don't knowwhat the fuck you're talking,
(21:53):
about.
We would have like an off siteand I'd get up there in a, in a
tuxedo, pretending it was theoscars, and like host it.
You know, I brought some levityinto a dark world, especially
post-covid.
You're a good time guy, a funhog, exactly exactly A fun hog a
fog, as they say.
But then I also.
When COVID started was reallywhere I upped my culture guy
(22:14):
game.
March 2020, the world'scrumbling, everyone's falling
apart, there are babies andwomen crying in the street,
everything's on fire.
I go back to Princeton, newJersey.
I'm in my childhood bedroom.
I'm like shit.
I have so much more free timewhere I used to have to look
busy.
What could I do with myself?
And I decided to buy a raft onAmazon and sail it down a river
(22:38):
in my backyard and pop it, and Iwas dressed in a full captain's
suit and I started Nature Walkswith Walker.
So I was basically stranded inthe woods and I had, just like
Castaway instead of Wilson thevolleyball, I had Tito the vodka
bottle.
And I was out there with like noclothes on, just like surviving
for like a couple months, and Iwould do one episode a week.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Oh, that's so great, and that was really fun.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
So that was really the first nature walks with
Walker was the first realcontent I started doing and my
company's company caught onto itand they're like Walker, will
you like?
We're losing people left andright here.
Morale is fucking in thetrenches Like what you know.
We might as well have been inlike trench warfare in you know,
england in 1912.
(23:20):
I mean, it was, it was dark.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, Because in 1912 .
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean it was dark Because clients were dropping,
not just sure clients didn't,you know.
No one knew what to do withbudgeting because everybody was
freaking out, but just employees.
You're living at home on top ofyour spouse, who you can't
stand and your kids shitting onthe floor and your dog's got you
know AIDS and it's just chaos.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Did you answer the call?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Of course I answered the call.
So what I would do is each weekI would recreate our morning
Zoom calls, our morning salescalls, where everybody would
come on.
And you know, when you workwith people it's like anything.
Everyone has kind of theirthing, their little mannerisms
that they do and that sort ofthing.
So I would be like each littlesquare of each person.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Imitate, everybody I knew like this.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
One guy was always in Mets gear, so he was in his
Mets set.
This one dude would alwaysstretch and be obviously flexing
.
But trying to make it subtle, Ihad a protein thing and I was
flexing while one analyst isspeaking.
That would be me.
Our CEO would be like he wasfucking obsessed with Strava and
(24:25):
would post his runs like oninstagram all the time, so I had
my like.
I was like dying and like cutoff like strava's the running
app where you track, becausenaturally everybody gives a fuck
about how your run went.
So you're 5k, so, like you postyour stats and people can
follow along oh.
I did 10 seconds better than mytime yesterday.
(24:46):
My resting heart rate isimproving.
I really care about that, so Iwas excited to see the updates.
So I was like sweating after arun, so that was fun.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That kind of stuff, and so I think about you doing
that.
When I think about doing thatmyself, I get I'm right now
getting exhausted, sure.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do you, do you?
Yeah, it's a big job.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, like like when you wake up in the morning and
you think about all the ideasfor the let's let's just say the
zoom Hollywood squares thing.
Do you feel this like weight ordo you?
Does it energize you?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It energizes me.
I'm excited.
I'm excited to like pull thisthing together and then share it
with an audience that I know isgoing to resonate with it.
Yeah, he's like a real artistand it'll still get like.
Sometimes it'll be tiring andI'll be like, oh God, like how
many more takes do I have to doto like, nail this fucking
eccentric Frenchman consultantwe've hired and like, but you
(25:44):
know what I'm going to make ithappen.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Do you still know the Frenchman consultant?
Oh yeah, Gerard.
How did he go?
What was his vibe?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Gerard was great, didn't speak a fucking lick of
English and he actually got hislike green card, like halfway
through, or his true citizenship, whatever that is like halfway
through his tenure at thecompany, and we threw him an
America party and I got him someAmerican flags and I've draped.
You know it's basically he hadjust won the Olympics and uh,
you know okay, so when you madethese bonsoir, when you made
(26:12):
these outdoor guy ones, yeah,nature walks with Walker you
would write these out, or you?
know these would be improvised.
I'm telling you I would be likeso.
I live in New Jersey, myparents have Jersey.
We live on like seven or eightacres, probably half of which
are woods, so like I would justgo into our backwoods.
But, like to anyone watchingthis video, I'm like, I'm deep.
(26:34):
Do you think they believed you?
I mean, they knew that it was abit, although there were a
couple people like this one girlwho was an exchange student at
Hobart DM'd me and it did not.
It went right over her head andshe was like hey, like, do you
need help?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
like are you okay, like you?
What like she thought that Ishe thought that I'd like
cracked.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I was like she was such a sweet woman.
I just I didn't even have theheart to respond to her.
I left her on read.
You switched your text to read,by the way.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You have read receipts on your text.
By the way, I like it.
I know what that means.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I know when you're ignoring me.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
It means I know when you've read my text.
Yeah, why would anyone turn?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
that on?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Sometimes it happens automatically, though.
Why would anyone turn that on?
I don't know you have turned iton.
Sometimes it happensautomatically, though it's weird
, but I mean, why would somebodychoose to do that?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, if you're like trying to like get under
someone's skin, or no, you could.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's a forcing function for half-received.
Like I have 20 on, I don'trespond to text well definitely
a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I'm pretty good at responding.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
No, you've been great to me, but I'm sure there's a
lot of people who are offendedit was like a week ago that I
was like no, I just got this.
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Now you're caught in a lie.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But that was the first bit of content, so tell me
how many you went from.
Let's say you had 500 followersof your friends.
Yeah, when followers of yourfriends, yeah, when that started
to hit.
Talk to me about the growth offollowership.
Yeah, we went.
We went from nature walks withwalker and then my parents were
like you guys pack up, pack upthe car.
We're packing up the car,griswold family vacation style.
We're driving across thecountry, we're spending the
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summer in sun valley.
I mean, you can tell, obviouslythere's some chad in me here
there's some chad, but you knowwe're driving to sun valley.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I was like mom dad jeremy, you have a good one man.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Thanks for stopping have a good night.
Um, you can't pull the rug fromunderneath me.
I've got this massiveproduction that I've I'm two
months into, so I'm like, allright, if I'm gonna be on the
open road, my parents suck, I'mgonna make content going across
how viral did the walk nature?
It was it stayed within the thefriend group oh, okay yeah, and
(28:44):
then I started hot dog boy.
So every time we stopped at agas station or a rest stop I'd
review a hot dog.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But anyway, so is that, borrowing from a barstool
guide, a little similar to likeI was gonna do it with french
onion soup.
Actually, I'm a french onionsoup guy.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You know, dave portnoy crawled so I could walk,
he walked so I could run yeahand um a little of an all gas.
No brakes, vibe as well.
But anyway we did that, and thenit was time to get back into
the office.
By the time the summer ended,we sort of got back to work, and
so I couldn't do the contentanymore.
So then, fast forward to Julyof 2023, when the Tommy Bahama
(29:21):
incident happened.
That was when the contentstarted.
So late July 2023, I came outwith the Wall Street Intern the
kind of classic dipshit,clueless kid in the Hamptons.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Go Google it, go find it.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Backwards hat company vest Zinn just in line at Surf
Lodge, ready to fucking drop theequivalent of Guatemala's GDP
on a chicken tendie tower.
Crush some diabolically crispbottles of Whispering A and just
hit on anything with a pulseLike that was their Super Bowl,
and you either knew that guy,you were that guy or you were
hit on by that guy.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
So he just worked and these ones you wrote.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
These ones I wrote.
So it started with him on thetrain.
Let's fucking go, boys.
We're going out.
It's going to be sick.
Talking about the share house,we've got a three bedroom with
like 30 dudes.
It's going to be dope.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And you have that little picture of the empty
train behind you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
The L-I-R-R in the background, and that was where
it all started, and so that was.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I probably went from.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Was that one video?
A little bit, but not see thething about the wall street
intern.
All of those videos, if youwatch them he's never in the
venue.
He's always in line.
So the kid about the wall, thething about the wall street
intern is he never gets in wherehe's going different from chad,
who is the nepo baby, born andbred with the silver spoon in
his mouth.
Chad is dangerous because heactually knows what to say, he
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knows what kind of wine to order, he knows what works and what
doesn't work, and he's got themoney.
He'll weasel his way into thevenues and then he's just a
fucking nightmare for everybodywithin a five-mile radius.
The intern is just a bull in achina shop and he's fucking
clueless.
He grew up kind of blue collar.
It's just his first time awayfrom home with a little bit of
disposable income.
Chad is just.
I mean, he's flying on jets,he's got the nuclear codes, the
(31:12):
dad's checking account, he's gotConsuelo on speed dial whipping
up quesadillas in the 30,000square foot Palm Beach home,
going for swimming laps in theGannite pool with fillies just
all over the place, like chad's,living his best life.
The intern is just fuckingclueless.
So that's kind of thedifference between the two.
But which one was first?
Chad came later.
The intern is where we started,yeah yeah um, and I probably got
(31:35):
like maybe 15 to 20 000followers over the course of two
months doing him.
Okay, it was just that, it wasa just the right time it was.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
We're gonna bring your manager into this because I
want to know when he enteredthe scene.
Right now, perfect timing rightat the end of August so tell me
when did you come across himand what made you want to be
with him just like everybodyelse, be with him sexually.
You guys are together rightpower bottom, just kidding,
(32:03):
that's his fiance Romantically,be with him sexually.
You guys are together rightPower, bottom Just kidding Fi,
that's his fiance.
Congratulations by the way.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Have we inflated her today.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I saw the Wall Street Intern video and, just like he
said, I truly was that kid.
I was 18.
I went out there after myfreshman year of college and I
was so enamored with thecharacter because I know exactly
what that feeling's like.
You don't even know.
You worked all week.
Your parents gave you maybe 150bucks.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
You're blowing it at your friend's place.
Who happens to have a placethere?
Speaker 4 (32:34):
you don't talk to any girls, maybe like one or two.
You text.
There's no cell service and Icame up from like the
entertainment world, startingthe mailroom, and then a
childhood friend of mine isactually a really similar kind
of comedian to Walker, so Istarted managing a friend of
mine oh, and the way that thissort of met kismet was.
I was at business schoollooking to make some extra cash,
(32:55):
as everyone does, and I'm likeI'm pretty good at this managing
thing and I just thought Walkerhad something that hits a nerve
with people that have highdisposable income and it's
highly shareable it's acommunity of people that know
what they're looking for andknow how to spend money, versus
people that just spray comediansand they're just for the mass
audience.
(33:15):
Walker had a really high walletof his average viewer.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, it was niche, but it was also like some of
your videos.
I will say like I would say, 60of the terms you're using I've
never heard.
But it was also like some ofyour videos.
I will say like I would say,60% of the terms you're using
I've never heard of.
But it's almost like when youwatch ER, like you don't care
what the doctors are saying.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
They're clearly in it , they know what they're doing
and people will comment on someof the videos where I'm getting
where I'm really drilling downas they say yeah, yeah, and
they're like word he just said,but I couldn't look away.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, yeah yeah, common friend, like that kind of
thing.
So what was your sort of whenyou first came to it, when you
came and said I've got someideas for you how did?
That work.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I just said.
I know you're doing somethingthat people resonate with.
Your following account isgrowing.
I know how to monetize withbrands and I'll be there, I'll
be your Sherpa.
I'll make sure you don't gettaken advantage of by agents or
other people.
How do you monetize the friendsyou call the brands and you're
like, yeah, like again I.
When you have like a,especially like a manager, the
incentive structure is he doeswell, I do well.
(34:16):
Your agent is the money allgoes into the agency pot and
then you get your little pieceand the rock is where your money
should be, really your time bespent, because that's like a
higher ROI of your time being anagent versus I can be
one-on-one with Walker.
If he's doing well, I'm doingwell.
I can go to bat for him in a waythat an agent or some bigger
company can't.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And when we spoke, when we met, the thing that I
liked about Fran, among manythings, was that he and.
I were both in a similar phasein our respective I'll call them
careers.
I mean, he was, you were inbusiness school, I was just
getting started.
He wasn't some guy with 20, 30years of experience in the
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industry with a bunch ofdifferent clients where I was
like it just kind of workedSerendipitous has kind of been
our word for the week and it wasa serendipitous moment, I mean.
I got on the phone with him andI was like okay, yeah, this guy
sounds a little slick, he's inCosta Rica, he's calling me from
La.
Selva, tropical as they say andI was like, all right, and he
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sounded over the phone, you gota little bit of the accent and I
was like, alright, maybe thisguy is going to totally just wax
me for all that I've worked,but no, it worked out.
I mean, you get a little bit ofthe New York.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I feel like, since I hadn't met him, I wasn't sure if
he was going to sell me a usedNissan.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Leaf or something.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
New York and LA oh cool, LA is where I went to.
I showed up at LA when I was 17.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I left when I was 26.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Very formerly you were shaped.
Do you make because quantity isimportant in this game right.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Volume how often do you feel like not in the mood?
Maybe you didn't love that one,but you have to push that out.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I sort of like go through phases with like when
it comes to the log, like thebacklog of videos that I have,
where it's like.
You know, it's not like I'mwaking up every day and I'm like
shit, I have to film a videotoday that goes out today.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Like this podcast, like that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
That's when you get it Exactly, yeah we're getting
the light all right one secondyeah, this comes out at 8 pm
every wednesday night easterneastern do you try to do every
day?
yeah, I try to post every day.
In the past couple I would saymonth or so I've started to
steer away from that a littlebit.
Like my first.
My main goal for the first yearof doing this I've been doing
it for about a year and a couplemonths it was just.
(36:35):
You know, it's like going tothe gym, I mean, clearly I know
what the fuck I'm talking abouthere.
You got to be consistent.
You got to go every day.
If you go once or twice in aweek and then you just stop,
nothing's going to happen.
You got to show up every day.
You got to fucking hit the samespot every day and then
eventually the tree is going to,you know, fall down, like with
this.
That was my goal for the firstyear.
(36:55):
Every single day I wanted topost a video, whether I loved it
or thought it was decent.
I'm not going to post somethingthat I think sucks.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
But like, and I'm trying different things.
How long was that period whereyou just stayed in the friend
group?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
That was like March 2020 until July 2023.
But I wasn't really makingcontent.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, he got fired and then he was like but I wasn't
making content when I was like2021, 2022.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
No, I wasn't doing characters, but I guess.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I put that out there in the sense that people are
doing this and they're likethere was a period of time where
it was incubation, where youwere trying to find organized.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Definitely the first.
Like July, august, september,the fall of 2023, late summer
and fall.
I tried all different kinds ofstuff.
I put a bunch of othercharacters out there other than
the Wall Street intern.
I mean I had like moms checkinginto resort you know, resorts
for vacation with like a towelon my head.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I love your female work.
Actually, you're incredible atfemale.
The Get Ready With Me was thefirst thing I saw and I
immediately followed you.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I had no idea my friends will sometimes say that
I have a little bit of a camfrom Modern Family in me.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I'm just like I've got a 35 BMI and I'm gay.
Anyway we digress.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Lily.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
That was great, though Longs, I will say.
When I reached out to him, thisis August of 2023.
By January 1st of 2025, he hadgone from about 18,000 followers
to about 45, just shy of 50.
And then from 50,000 followers,which was basically Jan 1, 2024
, by the time we hit June 1,2024, so six months later, I
(38:43):
think we had eclipsed a quarter.
You had eclipsed a quarter of amillion people following you on
just Instagram.
The get ready with me's werebig.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
The get ready with me were In.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
January of last year.
A year ago, I was sitting on myphone and I was watching some
fucking eighth grader talk abouthow she was pissed that they
were going back to school afterthe holiday break and there was
a new rule that the kidscouldn't have phones at school.
And she was in shambles,freaking out while just dousing
a gallon's worth of drunkelephant foundation on her face.
(39:13):
And then the professor orteacher, miss williams, is gonna
take my phone from me.
I'm not gonna text anybody.
Like when we're with myboyfriend, jason, like oh my god
, it's gonna suck, like all thisshit, and it's just like, all
right, this has to be addressedbecause it's all over the
internet and it's not just, it'snot kids.
Most of the time when I'm doingthe videos I'm making fun of
like, like grown ass women andmen Like it's like, get ready
(39:37):
with me to get fired from my job, get ready with me to go to
jury duty, get ready with me tolike just be a fucking human.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Tell my boyfriend I'm pregnant.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
That one, that one caught on.
I did it.
I would.
I would just search in Tik TOKlike G R W M and see what would
come up and what was the mostpopular and one of them was get
ready with me to tell myboyfriend that I'm pregnant, and
so I did a video where I brokethe news to my boyfriend.
It was a three-parter orfour-parter that we were with
child and no, it was like afucking.
We rode the pregnancy for twotrimesters and people were like
(40:07):
we need this, like what's upwith the baby, daddy Jason,
what's going on?
And it was pretty funny and Ipeople are, I think, are kind of
pissed at me that I didn't rideit the whole way, because the
baby was due at christmas and hewas gonna be named jesus and
it's gonna be a whole thing.
But I, just I, I I got pulledin other directions but um puts
(40:29):
you.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
You haven't seen any of this, which is so funny to me
.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
But like I've seen some of it.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yes, he puts like whipped cream on his hands.
Like whipped cream peanutbutter he gets the tongs that
you like, flip steaks with, andthat's for the hair.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
You're always super late.
You're always late.
You're always late.
If you're making a get readywith me and you're on time,
you've already fucking lost youdon't make a get ready with me,
unless you're at the boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
She tells him he's pregnant and she just like
lightly says that he goes anddoesn't talk to her and passes
out.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
He's just like literally out cold and the
parents hate her.
The parents hate her, theboyfriend, it's like a whole.
She's like I think it's goingto be dramatic.
It was a whole bit.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
So these start as one thing About a year ago.
Yeah, you write a thing the GetReady With and then that
character kind of hits and thenyou're like, oh, let me expand
on the story.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, totally Expand on the story.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Have any of these been more fully baked when you
produced that first video whereyou're like I can?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
see the whole character.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Or you've mapped it out, or you're just kind of like
serendipitously, like justrolling and flowing, like you
mean like sort of premeditated,I have the story all set up.
Yeah, yeah that.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah yeah boyfriend and the parents, or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I would say I mean something like the Wall Street
Intern, something like the DavidGoggins impersonations that I
do.
Oh, I haven't seen those yet oh, dude, I'm like running
shirtless all over the all overAmerica screaming on the camera.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
David Goggins is an ex Navy SEAL motivational
speaker super intense.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
The guy runs 100 miles in the desert.
He basically tells you to getin pain for your whole life and
it's just a funny juxtapositionto see me running with my shirt
off versus him running with hisshirt off.
But I do a good impersonation,it sounds like him.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Are they all?
I'm going to watch these assoon as we're done.
Here You're doing differentvoices and stuff yeah, I mean to
a certain point.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I mean I would say like the, the get ready with me.
Girls are super girly, kind ofsassy, like yeah like no hey
guys, get ready with me to go todinner at the club with my mom
and dad.
I'm so annoyed because my momgot me this super cute maxi but
my dog took a shit on it and nowI can't wear it.
And then David Goggins will belike I'm running with my shirt
(42:47):
off.
You have to know him, but it'slike I see it all the time,
motherfuckers being littlebitches, just screaming, just
cursing, yelling.
I broke my femur back in NorthCarolina.
He's fuckers be little bitches,just screaming, just like
cursing, like yelling, and likeI, you know, I broke my femur
back in north carolina and likehe's just still running.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
He's still running and like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
And then you know it, the emergency board meeting,
the old board member characterfolks, and we want to thank you
for coming to the annual meetingof the board.
We have a lot we have to talkabout here.
Chauncey Stilton's grandsonwore white jeans in the dining
room last night, so he's beendinged from the club.
Jim, would you please removeyour hat.
(43:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Anyway, so if you have a problem.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
You know that kind of shit.
There's like different voicesand things like that.
I can do accents and whatever.
A lot of the characters I don'thave a premeditated thing.
I know that there's runway withthem.
If nothing else I can just do,insert XYZ character over this,
Like Pookie and Jet, for example.
I don't know if you know whothe Pookinator and Jet are no no
.
Pookie and Jet are this couplefrom.
They live in Atlanta.
(43:47):
They're so over the top.
I mean they're cute, they're inlove, I get that.
But he's the guy who's likethey do these fit checks where
they're standing together sideby side, so I make them.
Where it's a split screen, I'mthe guy and I'm also the chick
and they've got these southernaccents and Jet starts every
video with like good lord, babe,that outfit is a knockout 10
out of 10.
(44:07):
You're going to look evenbetter on my floor.
You thought I was on a businesstrip.
Last week I actually flew toPalm Beach where I secured you a
new push present for becausewe're having our baby paloma and
he buys her like a fuckingfifty thousand dollar birkin and
she's wearing like a milliondollars worth of jewels and it's
like so over the top but likepeople have fallen in love with
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them and I get it.
They're great and cute, butthey're also I mean you can't
not fucking make fun of thesepeople like they're out of
control.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
They're all based on people that you really do see.
I was talking last night, andwhat was fascinating to me was
that you seem to have almost aphotographic memory of the
details of human behavior.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I think that's actually true.
I haven't thought about that.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
You sort of see someone.
I remember.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I will see something unfold in front of me, whether
it's something big and memorableor something minor, like
someone's mannerisms or whatever, and I will remember either how
they sounded, the inflection intheir voice, what they did, and
I can picture it when I'm thentrying to regurgitate it in my
own thing.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
It's incredible.
It's an incredible talent.
What's the future?
How do you see it?
It's all good.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
It's all good Take over.
I met him this morning.
We gave him a hot meal and hehasn't left.
It's called starting and notfinishing.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
The future I would.
I mean I was saying earlier thefor the first year, which we
just kind of wrapped up, my goalwas just to be consistent and
kind of not to sound dramaticbut kind of show up every day
and just make a video every dayprocess over results.
See what happens exactly nowthat we're entering year two, or
, as my the suit here likes tosay, that was was year zero.
This is year one.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Atta boy, I like year one.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
I'm going to be a little bit more targeted in
building out characters thathave worked.
So being intentional aboutstorylines when does Chad go?
What happens to him?
So we build a story.
Palm Beach Dad, all of thesedifferent characters that I'm
doing.
So I'm going to have some buildout some storylines for them.
(46:21):
I'd love to get involved insome scripted stuff, tv or film.
Somehow that was the impetusfor doing this in the first
place, rather than 10 years agohaving to kind of wait tables
and go on auditions.
You can kind of get your nameout there and build a brand with
social media.
So that was kind of theoriginal what do you got right
(46:42):
now?
point for this instagram it's alittle over 600 000 between
instagram and tiktok instagram315 000 supposedly.
It's going to go away thissunday on the how do you feel
about that?
Speaker 3 (46:54):
is that panicky for everybody?
I?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I think it is panicky .
I was just with a couple peoplein Palm Beach who were talking
about their content creators butmainly their followings are on
TikTok and they were genuinelyfreaking out.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
Yeah, your lifeblood.
But.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
I've never liked or trusted TikTok.
There was a massive shift fromCOVID, like 2020 until recently,
where brands used to allocateall of these marketing dollars
to TikTok because of the sheervolume and usage on the app.
But then people started torealize 95% of TikTok are
(47:36):
children under the age of like14, who, who don't even have you
, don't have a dollar to spend,so people weren't buying on
tiktok.
Like on instagram you have,like every middle-aged woman
across america is not has aninstagram account following her
friend who's married, who sheenvies, and goes on.
(47:57):
Like every talk show and likesits in the crowd.
They call them the talk showcohort.
Those are the people you wantto tap into.
Those are the people I don'tmean this from like a salesy,
skeevy way, but like those arethe people who are spending
money.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Adults, kids don't on TikTok, are learning dances.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
The TikTok live shopping is massive, that's true
, that's true.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's a demo from Walker.
It is.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, no, but you could do some parodies of live
shopping, I would think Totallyand actually sell things while
you're paradise, the parodying.
I like doing the parody stuffBecause there's a great bathrobe
company that I think they dowhat's it called again Wakanichi
.
But anyway, this isn't about mybathrobes, guys.
(48:41):
It isn't about the softestcotton terry in the world that
we're not talking about.
Just relax.
No, no, we're massive.
No, no, no, we're selling out,we're sold out.
Look, we're not going to talkabout my incredible business.
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You go ahead.
You didn't hear about theirdeal with Four Seasons.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
No, I just wonder about your observation of social
media world and what it is.
You talked about thisaspirational thing where people
are jealous of each other.
There's arguably some unhealthystuff about that's going on
there that some people are into,some people aren't.
Sure, is there some level ofcommentary about your
observations of this, or is itall kind of a good-natured sort
(49:27):
of?
Is there any cynicism behindthis, or is it pretty?
Speaker 1 (49:32):
You mean social media in general?
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, kind of like these characters that you're.
Oh the characters no, thecharacters Not just the
characters, but the fact thatyou're imitating them doing
their social media.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
My goal is for my page to be a place not to sound
cheesy, but where people can go.
Obviously, 99.9% of the world orAmerica, america have iPhones
now and you're on your way towork, you're sitting in the
bathroom stall avoiding yourboss, you're going home, you're
in bed, you just whip out yourphone and you can scroll and see
(50:06):
whatever you want.
So the accessibility is crazy.
My goal is for my page to bejust a brief respite happy place
, be just a brief respite happyplace where people can go and
kind of escape whatever is goingon in their life at the moment,
whether it's dramatic orsomething very simple, simple
(50:26):
and I um, there's no thecharacters that I do.
People will ask me, especiallywhen it comes to some of like
the one percent humor making funof like wealthy people and
country clubs and that like howdo you know all of this stuff?
And it's definitely a worldthat I grew up around and in a
little bit and like so I'mdirectly making fun of like
(50:48):
myself and like my peers and myfamily and my friends and it's
not at all like.
It's not like me throwingfucking cheap shots from you
know across the bow, being likejealous or something of a world
that I don't know.
Some of the reason that I thinkit works so well if I do, it
will toot my horn, I guess isthe specificity that I drill
(51:10):
into.
People are like wait, yeah,like that's exactly it yeah,
that's exactly what happens, andhe's sort of right, so like it
it's a joyful spirit.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
People are good at making fun when there's like
love underneath and there's justlove underneath and he's a
big-hearted guy and so youhaven't watched it yet.
But it's like you know, youhaven't watched any of it and
and no but, I but it, but it is.
It's just that thing.
It does make you feel good.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
The nuance of the references lead people to feel
like he's talking directly toyou.
It's like my club that I go toin Palm Beach.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Your golden retriever sconce at eight.
You swallow your wife's bangleand now you're on I-95 on the
way to the animal hospital.
I've got to get the stomachpumped and your kid's late for
lacrosse practice at brunswickand it's just fucking chaos, and
you know and have you gottenany flack for?
uh, kind of talking about theseproper nouns that people are
(52:06):
protective of, like certainclubs, private clubs once in a
while people but like no, forthe most part people who are in
the thick of that world that I'mmaking fun of enjoy it.
They laugh at it and I thinkit's fun Because it's not like
I'm attacking, as long as I'mnot using specific names, and
this is the person who thishappened to.
(52:27):
You can kind of laugh in plainsight.
Hide and laugh in plain sight.
There was one time I went tolunch with a good family friend
at the B&T in Palm Beach.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
It's a bathroom tennis club.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
for those of you less cool, bath and tennis.
Bath and tennis in Palm Beachand we had lunch.
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
This one woman.
Bathrooms and tennis.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Basically, basically my bath and tennis bathing pool,
so your restaurant should becalled a bathroom, restaurant
yes.
Yes, yes.
We gave this guy one hot mealthis morning and he hasn't
laughed like if you give a mousea cookie like you know.
But anyway, we'll.
We'll address that in a second.
But we're at the b and t andwe're having lunch and, like,
this woman comes up to me andshe's talking about how they
(53:10):
just sent their nanny over tostad to pick up her 12 year old
from boarding school.
I mean, the amount of materialis phenomenal and I
intentionally left my phone athome just so that there wasn't
even a problem, because youcan't film at these places.
You'll get in trouble and I'm aguest.
Fast forward, a week later Imake a video.
Chad goes to the B&T Genericgreen screen.
(53:32):
Nothing related to anything Isaw.
I just made up my own stuff.
Someone at the bnt, some member, drove over to the bnt,
manually flipped through thefucking guest book to find who I
was and what member brought me.
Had the club call the memberand demand I take the video down
(53:53):
.
The only reason I took thevideo down was because I didn't
want my good friend to have todeal with the bullshit that this
fucking person was putting themthrough.
But like other than that I mean.
No, it's no.
One usually has a problem.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
What about the influencers?
What about the wake eyes?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
No, no no, no, they don't.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Like, have you from the, the couple that you talked
about, oh, that's actually true.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I don't think they love me too much we actually we
actually well, yeah, they don'tlove me a whole lot how do you
know that?
I don't know it the reason.
I think it is because for tworeasons.
Number one they will usuallyrepost people who are doing
their their stick, their stuff,and I do their stuff on like a
nuclear level.
Like I have sent probably halfa million followers their way.
(54:40):
People thought that I made uppookie and jett people were like
wait, we didn't realize theywere real people.
So anyway, I know they've seenmy stuff.
Campbell pookie, the wife, ifyou're watching this, hi, I
don't have a problem with you.
She dm'd me once and like sentme a heart.
I thought my thing was cute,but then I started talking about
how Jet's always horny andwanted to sneak up to the
(55:03):
primary suites 2025 and douseher in Chick-fil-A and show her
the Continental 48, somethinginappropriate like that.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
They're like Christian.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
They're kind of over my thing now but, I just when I
do those videos, just visually,it's funny because a lot of
people think I have an identicaltwin.
I'm like are you guys fuckingtouched?
No, it's me doing two differentcharacters on the same screen.
People are like, oh my god,they're so good, they're so
(55:36):
funny.
I didn't realize there were twoof you and I'm like that's
great.
Thank you for the support.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
But it's just me.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
And so those videos are kind of an automatic viral
video.
They're funny to watch, they'refunny to kind of, and Pookie
and Jet are hot right now.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
How big is this?
Excuse my ignorance about allthis stuff, but how how big is
this genre of a parody, sort ofthings like this?
Speaker 1 (55:59):
I don't not, not very , I don't really know.
I just started doing it withsome parody and because like it
it worked, and like I've keptdoing it like um I think there's
a point where a lot of peopleimitate one specific thing yeah,
well, they'll make fun of likeyou're the corporate guy, yes,
or?
You're the country club guy oryou're the fitness guy, but like
(56:20):
, like my page will say walker'sworld, like you're gonna get a
little bit of everything yeah,you have a huge range.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Do you have characters in the quiver that no
one's seen?
That you're excited about?
Speaker 1 (56:29):
we're gonna tap into, like the at home, like cooking
influencer people who like cookwe've got a lot of fun stuff
we're tapping into, like theboating and yacht world.
Um, we're doing a lot of we'rebranching out good for sure
that's exciting.
Um, which will be fun, andwe're bringing the emergency
(56:49):
board member back, the oldstickler I like board guy, I
like soft, he's soft, yeah, he'ssoft.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
And even ke he's soft , and stern, even keeled, even
keeled Exactly.
That's nice.
I'll be in the grill room witha fresh cup of gazpacho.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
What were?
Speaker 2 (57:04):
you saying you do do TikTok as well, I do TikTok.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
I put whatever I put on Instagram on TikTok, but I
don't put much.
I've never really trustedTikTok.
Because, it's not like there'sno.
Can I ask?
Speaker 3 (57:15):
something this is my own neuroses when you post and
you see there's immediate data,right, and you see that one gets
like 6.9 million views and onestays in the low 100,000 or
one's like 40,000.
Do you have any emotionalreaction to that?
I mean?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
yes, in the sense that I'll be like oh, I thought
sometimes I'll post a video thatI think is going to be like
just a killer and it gets100,000 views yeah and other
times I'll post a video that Ithink eh not great and it
fucking blows up so like youjust don't know how people are
going to react and what I mean.
We're at the mercy of thesegoddamn algorithms I know
(57:55):
they're annoying um, so whateverthat, you know, whatever the
fuck zuck feels like that day,we'll see what happens with my
videos.
But yeah, I'll be like damn.
Of course I want each video toget as many eyeballs as possible
.
So when I, when one doesn't doas well as I hope it does, I'll
be like, you know, it doesn'tbother me.
But I'll be like like damn, Iwish it had done better, I guess
(58:17):
, but I don't.
Yeah, it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
So I have to talk a little bit about stand-up,
because we saw a show last nighttogether.
I've been hanging out at theCellar, as the listeners know,
and one of the things that sortof blew my mind is that even the
top comedians, like DaveChappelle was there last night,
yeah, but he and all of themwill say like you just don't
know, you think you have a goodjoke and then you do it and you
just don't know.
Yeah, and it's like at thatlevel really, you just don't
(58:43):
know, and so it just applied tolike these videos.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
I've noticed any off that night, or in my case the
video doesn't go as viral as Ihope.
My whole philosophy is.
I believe in like what I'mdoing and like what I put out
there, and I know that this islike a quality video yeah, so I
(59:13):
don't really care what peoplesay to it or how big it gets out
there.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
How does it this idea of using response to gauge what
?
You want to put out is onethat's really irritating to me
he made me do this writingcourse that you have to write
every day, and the whole thingwas write a thing, put it out
and, based on exactly what thesepeople are saying, figure out
(59:45):
how to do the next one.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Which is challenging creatively for me, because I
think there's a part ofcreativity, a big part of
creativity, where you're askingyourself what you want to do, a
part of creativity, a big partof creativity, where you're
asking yourself what you want todo.
So do you look at a video thatdoes really well and how much
does that motivate you tocontinue down that road?
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, it definitely does.
If I make a video that goesviral, I'm like, okay, this was
great, people enjoyed it.
I'm going to do it again.
But I'll tell you now that I'vekind of lapped a year of doing
this.
I've gotten so many of my newerfollowers haven't seen so much
of my original stuff, so I spentlike a week between Christmas
and New Year's posting videosthat I posted over the, you know
(01:00:27):
, six months ago or eight or tenmonths ago, so like and they're
still on your page.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Totally, they're still down there, but a lot of
people just missed them.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
So you know I posted.
There's one video.
The Chad goes to Vail Fourseasons.
They're still down there but alot of people just missed them.
There's one video the Chad Goesto Vail four seasons.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I posted that last.
Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
February, when I posted that, it got a million
views.
When I posted it a week ago, itgot like 100,000.
It depends on how it getspushed.
Same video.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
That's a very good data point, yeah, and that
happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I also post, do you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
know how many hours you have of stuff on your
internet.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
God.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
It's a lot A shit ton I would love to know that's
that too.
Yeah, a ton.
Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
And now from a manager's standpoint is there,
what's the game?
Feel like you have to protectit in any way.
Do you feel like just keepblasting?
Is there a strategy involvednow for you, or is it just like
(01:01:27):
get this horse running and doingwhat he loves and we'll sort of
make it up as we go along?
Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I'll say the strategy is actually to convert some of
the characters from the shortform into a long form entity
that has actual IP that we canlicense.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Who is a model of that?
It's done it in this world.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Hot Ones.
Hot Ones just had that hugeexit.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
He's not a character, but he has his own smaller
thing.
Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Friday Beers, I think , is a great example of somebody
who took a page that he doesn'teven have a character.
It's a meme account thatdeveloped a media company and
this whole ethos of what they dohas become, spawned, this
massive who's the guy?
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
There's the dude who was doing videos and now he has
the Netflix show the Teacher.
He's the teacher.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Whatever, no, no, he's got a legit Hulu show.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
He's like a scripted Hulu show.
Yeah, he's, and he's like inthe classroom.
Yeah, he had a character.
Yeah, this guy.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
That stuff's really powerful.
As you go and this is just mebeing an older kind of
unsolicited advice thing, justreally having a specific model
and seeing that it can be done-and obviously you'll do new ways
, but that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
He's a perfect example.
That'd be something I wouldwant to do your characters are
so deep.
Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
How to show based on a character.
Do you have ideas of how to getthe order?
Are you mainly right now eitherthinking about what some of
these characters go longer indifferent forms and also just
getting money for products?
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
I had the pleasure of getting to know Bruckheimer
pretty well and he said I knowthat my taste resonates with a
large mass of population.
I feel like my sensibility andtaste is that way.
If I give Walker the thumbs up,it usually means that he has my
stamp of approval.
Do I specifically come in andhammer creative ideas to him?
No, I leave that to him.
But I have a really strongsense that if I like something,
(01:03:12):
mass audience likes what I likeand that's my sort of North Star
.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Does Brookheimer know he plays hockey?
Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I mean I would love to Get back on the ice here
Please let's get him Swap afucking GoPro.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I played in that.
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I was in a hockey league in LA and I don't know if
the Brookheimer League is stillgoing, but it was a fun time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
So just real fast the money, part of it.
So you will take okay, here'sthe overall account and you'll
go to yeah, I mean it's like awhole you have like underlying,
of how many people are engagingwith this content.
Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
And then you go to the companies and you say you
pitch them.
Yeah, I pitch Walker and I saylike again, there's data on
about people are reallysurprised to find out that
actually he has more of a femalefollowing than a male following
.
I'm not surprised.
And then those little notesthat I can bring to sort of help
the brand understand how thatwe can activate together.
(01:04:02):
Activate just means post andhave it be a partnership.
That's what my goal is.
But one thing I wanted to comeback to that you brought up was
about the TikTok ban, and TikTokfollowers are what I call cheap
followers.
There is no sense of communitythat you have with who you
follow on TikTok.
So about a million followers onTikTok is probably worth about
the same as 100,000 followers onInstagram.
(01:04:23):
So Walker's Instagram followingin that community.
When you follow somebody onInstagram, you've got to manage
that ratio of followers tofollowing and that's your own
personal persona.
So an Instagram follower is amore expensive follower.
Truly, they care to show you.
Hey, I'm part of thisWalkSauce42 underscore community
.
When you see somebody, now thatfollows him, you automatically
(01:04:44):
have that kismet moment of likeoh my God.
Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, I like.
When I see liked by a friend,I'm like, oh, we watch the same
thing.
That's the value that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I can see how much message board interaction do you
feel is necessary and do you do.
That's the value that I can see.
How much message boardinteraction do you feel is
necessary and do you do, like inthe DMs and stuff?
Yeah, like hearty comments.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I try to respond to every DM that I get, which takes
a while that's crazy and thencommenting I'll get in, and I'll
get in there sometimes and I'llengage, but sometimes it's fun
to just kind of watch it unfold.
Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Wait, every DM.
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Caesar vibes with the Coliseum.
Play it out.
Yeah, I mean not in the hiddensection.
Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Oh, oh oh.
Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
But like in their suggested DMs and the primary
DMs I'll try to get back.
Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
So that just means you have like a mutual follower,
hidden DMs is where, like, thefull crapshoot is.
Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Anything from spam to A lot of spam.
Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Now Some 40-year-old dude in Milwaukee who liked my
bit.
Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Yeah, and he's rubbing one out to him.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Meaning the people you respond to are people that
you know.
Either know or have mutualfriends with A little bit closer
proximity.
Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
There's a filter.
There's a filter on it.
It has to be one degree ofseparation.
Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
We got to wrap this up because you got to go and
this has been so good.
But I had one question that Iwant to kind of end with and
it's about serendipity, becausewe kind of are doing this in a
beautiful way.
We got introduced through afriend barely because I'm
putting stuff out, and heobviously is putting stuff out
and these social media engines,which I've resisted for a long
time, but they do feel like justserendipity flywheels.
(01:06:17):
So I was curious if there'ssomething that sort of pops out
for you as you've been on thisincredible meteoric rise, which
I think is super cool.
It really is Like last night atthe thing like someone saw me
from New Girl.
I took a picture and then likeeight people were like dude, I
love you, and I was like oh,yeah, yeah, like a picture.
And then like eight people werelike dude, I love you, and I
(01:06:39):
was like oh, yeah, yeah, likeit's, it's the.
The game is completely changed.
So serendipity highlights iswhat I'm asking.
Do you have any some fun flowyou've had in the last year that
you that pops?
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
out in your head like stuff that's kind of yeah, just
like weird, yeah like youmentioned molly's, like the yeah
, you know, yeah, molly peoplewanting to like do stuff with me
in person, I'll get people.
I got invited to perform and goto this lady's 50th birthday
luncheon at Round Hill inGreenwich.
(01:07:07):
It was 75 Greenwich moms allover the place.
They paid for this.
I didn't pay to go therealthough I would have you guys
were great, but I was there.
They hit you up, but then I gotback for this and I didn't pay
to go there, although I wouldhave.
You guys were great, but uh, I,uh I was there for that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
They hit you up actually, but then I got back.
Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I have never.
I have a very high socialbattery and like I get charged
by being with people, thatfucking sucked the life out of
me I got home at like midnight Iwas like oh my god, I was like
I can't even move.
The next morning I got a phonecall from this random like 310
number and it was like, hey,this is molly sims's assistant.
She wants you to come to herfashion week event.
(01:07:42):
I was like, oh, like molly sims, it sounds so familiar.
So I googled it.
I was like, oh yeah, I had aposter of molly sims on my wall
like growing up, like totally.
So I went there and she was sonice and great, she's like come
to my house in la someone,you're out there next.
And I went there and then Ijust like the, the snowball
effect of just kind of sayingyes to these opportunities has
(01:08:03):
brought me to cool places.
I had never even been to palmbeach, florida when I started
doing the palm beach dad.
That's crazy now I when I walkaround palm beach, like not to
sound arrogant, like I'mbasically like the fucking Pope.
It's insane.
I have people like 60-year-oldwomen dragging their 20-year-old
(01:08:24):
kid out of their Ferrari beinglike this is my Chad, this is my
husband.
I'm like, hi, how are you?
Nice to meet you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
That's been really cool.
How did you know the specificsabout the place?
Chad GPT?
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Yeah, a little bit of Chad GPT.
But I have friends who grew upgoing there and it's all kind of
plug and play.
I was telling you guys lastnight.
Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Yeah, say that this is good.
Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
People in Palm Beach.
The guy in Palm Beach who'srenting in the Hamptons for the
summer over Labor Day weekendhas the same fucking problems.
He's chomping at the bit to geta doctor to do a telehealth
visit, to get his kids medicalforms in for Palm Beach Day,
(01:09:18):
just like the Greenwich dad inNantucket is for fucking
Brunswick, just like thePalisades dad is for John Thomas
Dye.
Everyone's got the same problem.
The Palm Beach family who areall about goldens their golden
retriever sconce.
It took a shit on the G650ER onthe way to the Yellowstone Club
, just like the Greenwichfamily's labradoodle took a piss
on the carpet on the citationflying to Sun Valley, idaho.
It's all the same shit.
Both families on opposite sidesof the country are paying to
(01:09:41):
have the fucking carpets of theplane shampooed.
It's just what kind of dog tookthe shit, or what school is the
kid going to.
You know so it's all this plugand play.
So people are like, how do youknow?
And it's really, it's the sameattitude, it's the same tenure
or tenor mood.
You just gotta know.
Like, what are the cars thesepeople are driving in the
(01:10:02):
different towns?
What are the rest?
I mean, every fucking dad inGreenwich right now has a Rivian
on back order.
Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
That's just like a fact.
Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
You meet any dad who works in Wall Street or lives up
in Fairfield County.
He's got a Rivian on back orderand he's fucking pissed about
it.
So you know you just got toplug in and ask some questions
and then take some notes.
Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
That is the strongest ending I could have ever
imagined for this podcast hey,this is WalkSauce42.
Underscore what a treat thishas been.
Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Let's go Truly truly.
Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Thank you, you ripped .
And anything you finally,anything we want to plug as we
head out here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
We're just getting warmed up.
Yeah, year one, this is justthe beginning.
Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Year zero is over.
Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Year zero is over.
We're going to get ourcolleague over here at the north
end of the table a hot meal andsend him on his way.
And thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
All right, good man Bye.
Oh man, that was a treat torevisit.
That is our conversation withwalker ward uh, who somehow
managed to turn getting firedover a cocaine fueled tommy
bahama client and are into oneof the best things that has ever
happened to him.
If you enjoyed this episode,you could find find Walker on
(01:11:17):
Instagram at walksauce42underscore the underscore
matters.
A very special thanks to myhomeless friend, jeremy Sisto,
my comedy buddy, my brother.
Thank you for being there, forpushing that, for making that
happen Wouldn't have happenedwithout you, big boy.
I really do appreciate it.
(01:11:38):
And thank you to Fran Seratorifor discovering the talent that
is Walker Ward.
I wish both of youextraordinary success.
If you enjoyed this episode, goahead and comment.
Show us some love, like,subscribe, share, share with
(01:12:00):
people that are fans of Walkeror you think would be fans of
Walker.
I hope you will.
I hope to show this episode andget it into as many eardrums as
possible.
So whatever help you can, Iwould very, very much appreciate
it.
Also, if you think that Ishould be interviewing anybody,
(01:12:22):
this happened because someonereached out and said I think you
two should talk.
If that tickles you too, pleasedo not hesitate, do not.
I would love it.
The serendipity wheel isturning and I want more.
I'm addicted to it.
I love me.
The serendipity wheel isturning and I I want more.
I'm addicted to it.
I love me some serendipity.
So I thank you in advance.
(01:12:43):
I hope everyone has anincredible week full of love and
adventure, venery and hugs,kisses, all the good things in
life, and I'll see you next week.
Bye.
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