#27 Casey Watson Interview

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What happens when you combine professional clam
digging with stand-up comedy.
Meet Casey Watson, a 6'3 formerbasketball player who spends
his days knee-deep in Maine'smudflaps and his nights crushing
it on stage.

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In just four short years,casey's gone from open mic
newcomer to featuring for comedystars like Ari Shaffir and Big
Jay Oakerson.
Today we dive into his uniquejourney from the clam flats to
the spotlight and why Casey'sabout to trade it all for a shot

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at New York City's comedy scene.
Welcome to the StartingStand-Up Podcast.
My name is David Walton.
I am so happy you're here.
Casey showed up at my house.
I'd never met him.
We began some small talk as Imet him in the driveway and then
I quickly told him to shut hismouth because I wanted to record

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everything.
So please enjoy this hour-longchat where two men truly meet
each other for the first timeand get right into it.
I hope you'll enjoy it as muchas I did.
Casey's a lovely man, full oftalent and dreams, and I now
consider him a friend, and Ihope you will too.

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Please enjoy Casey Watson ohman, that's rubbish.

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That's rubbish all right, we'recooking.
Casey hello nice to meet you,man just for context uh, for
those listening casey, we havenever met that.
We just met three minutes agoyeah okay, three minutes.
Caleb, our last guest, and youare good friends, right?
Yeah, yeah okay, now we'regonna live, get to know each

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other for you, and the firstthing I want to say is just my
impression you're a, you're ahandsome big man well, thanks
yeah, you're so, yeah, so giveme your weight like you're a
boxer, or height and weight.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Are we going?
Division III basketball stats.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Start with that, because I know you're a
basketball player.
That was 6'4" 225.
Realistically 6'3" 235 probablyNow in your age.
How old are you?
28.
Sweet, so what?
What year you born?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
96.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I was december of 96, okay I was a junior in high
school.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh geez so I'm a wise man?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
yeah, I'm gonna teach you some things and the reason
you're on.
Well, I'll tell you what calebsaid.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
He loves you, by the way, and he also said that you
started doing stand-up how manyyears ago, uh 2021, so four
years ago, yeah, that's andyou've been very quick, meaning
you're, you're headlinedsomething at the empire comedy
club empire, the other club andsmaller club in maine, and then
one other show around here thatlike, that's like in the last

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month, in the last month, sowould you say that you are at
the apex of you know you'rerising and you're at the you're.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You haven't started.
There's no dip yet.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know I haven't wrote a good new joke in
like a month oh, we're gonnaget into that.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh yeah, so you're having a hard time finding a
good new one I had last night.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I finally got a premise where I was like all
right now we got something.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Can you share it or no?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
uh, yeah, I mean I've wondered if it's been done
before, is my probably, but uh,basically, you know the song the
gambler by kenny rogers, ofcourse.
Well, the whole song he likesets it up like you get this
great gambling advice and theonly advice is like no one to
hold them and no one to foldthem, which is like that's not
advice, that's just like, like,if your chef friend was like, if

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you.
you were like oh, what's thesecret to making good chicken?
He's like you got to know whento turn it.
You're like right, but how do Iknow?
Man, that's what I want to know.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I like that, I like that.
So tell me, well, let's justget right into it, because I
don't want to, I don't want tohave a pre-plan and we're
already into joke writing.
So four years ago you begin.
What is the impetus to?
To begin writing and tellingjokes?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
so uh, in college, like I, I always watched
stand-up like growing up likethat we loved it yeah, I always
liked comedy, like my dad alwaysjust like, no matter what,
would throw on like some sort ofnot that I don't like action
movies, but it was like alwaysthat and I was like dude, let's
watch something funny here, weneed to like relax a little, and
then uh, but he liked georgecarlin a lot so he showed me

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carlin, when I was like young,okay, and then we always would
watch.
You remember the blue collarcomedy tour.
Yeah, foxwood yeah, yeah, yeahuh, we my family loved that they
loved uh, the guy with the jeff, uh, jeff dunham uh-huh my
parents were a huge jeff dunhamdoes props, right.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, he does puppets , yeah, yeah yeah, um and like.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
So I always watched that stuff and then, like in
middle school, I got super intodane cook, of course, oh, wow
that was the perfect age for me,and then like, yeah, when I
moved out to la dane was a, hewas the peak right, yeah, yeah,
yeah and uh, and then I always,and then like I fell in love
with like new york comedy oflike attell and you know sam
murrell is like one of the bigpeople I got into it joe list,

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normand, all those guys you knowamazing um, and then?
yeah, and then the pandemichappened and I was graduating
college so I graduated on zoomuh humane farmington you went,
you into humane farmington andyou had to graduate on zoom, we
like yeah, the end of school wasbasically I was in my
internships, so I was working ata school and a hospital the two

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places like they're not gonnalet you keep going as like an
intern yeah it started, uh, andthen and then.
Yeah, I just didn't know what Iwanted to do.
Like, what am I gonna do withmy life?
like graduating school and thenjust nothing happening yeah,
because you're 24, yeah, yeahand I was like this is odd.
And then, and then I like Ijust watched stand-up all the

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time because, like we were doingnothing.
I was like I need somethingpositive here.
And then, uh, I was like man, Ireally should do this.
Because at one point in college, like a friend of mine was like
, have you ever thought aboutdoing stand-up?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
and I was.
Are you the?
You don't have to be humble.
Were you always your funniestin the friend group, like so?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I mean depends in, like my hometown friend group
like when I grew up in yeah,yeah, we were all funny though
like yeah, everybody was rightand like I don't know, but in
college I felt like I was morelike comment to the side, funny,
yes, we're like I would saysomething and it would be funny,
but I'm like I don't want tosay it in front of everyone
right.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, there's this big thing that I find weird.
Is that some of the funniestpeople in the world when you
hang out with them like I, Ihung out with will.
I don't like will ferrell, myfriend, uh, wife was their nanny
right, so I like I was hangingout with will ferrell at their
wedding, you know, and it's likethere's no funny coming right,

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he's just like and then.
But then he stands up to give atoast and it's unbelievably
funny and I find that thestand-ups like the the problem
with stand-up almost is like theperson who's always bidding and
always like on just intolerablyintolerable.
And so you're like alreadysensitive to that.
You're like kind of like I'mgoing to do an aside here.

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These are hard jokes Also.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I always thought, like the class clown, like the
one that would like get in frontand like do silly stuff.
I was like, all right, dude,that's like you never get laid.
Yeah, that was my problem,because I was like the guy who's
like doing like fart jokes infront of everyone.
I'm like oh come on, yeah, yeah,oh, that's amazing, okay, so so

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yeah you start to oh, and then,yeah, the pandemic happened and
then an open mic started there.
I saw an open mic In PortlandAt the time I was living in
Phippsburg still, but in Bath,which is the town right next to
where I grew up and it was likea booked open mic which I didn't
know.
I just emailed them and waslike, hey, can I sign up?
And they were like, sure, butthis one's booked.

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But we'll give you like fiveminutes up top.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
And this up top, and then and this was popping your
cherry- this was the first oneand were you prepared?
I wrote down stuff.
I mean, yeah, do you have arecording of that first five?
I don't do, I don't, actually,I remember what you said?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
not really, uh, did you get laughs people?
They were very nice and like Istill know them and like, oh,
because they still do the openmic, that's in a different town
now.
But uh, I, there was like fourpeople there, like there's a I
tell this all the time but like,uh, john, do you know Johnny
Ader?
By any chance, he's a localmain comedian.

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He's been doing it for like 30years but he was at that open
mic and I was just randomly yeah, he just he's, he goes around a
lot just trying to like get newstuff.
But he, uh, I was just like sonervous and he just kept.
He was like barking people in,cause there's a restaurant
upstairs.
He was like trying to getpeople down.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
And I was like this guy's nuts.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I don't want more people here Like that's insane,
yeah, and then uh, yeah, but nowI see Johnny everywhere and I'm
like dude, I like now I fullyget it.
Now I'm like if we could justhave way more people.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
This would be great like actually useful, but well,
that's something is so hardabout.
It all is when you have all this, these jokes what sort of
material that you're excited toperform.
And then you look at theaudience and it's like four
surly, uh angry comedians andlike two drunk people and you're
like, do I waste?

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Like cause, cause.
I have this problem where, youknow, I feel like I'm making
progress, but there's it's, it'sminimal, but sometimes I'm like
, oh, this is going to be good.
And then you sort of feel likeif I do this right now, and
obviously it's not going to workin this situation, what's that
going to do to my I don't knowlike confidence about this

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material?
Like how do I not let it affectwhether I think it's funny?
You know?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I said that last night I did the, I did the open
mic and I was like oh, at empire, you were there yeah, I was
like do I even tell this newjoke, because I guess I'm just
gonna like it works so tough.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh, sometimes, guys, everyone's just looking at their
phone.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh, everyone's well, that's the problem with like an
all comedian mike, is you'renever going to get anything out
of it, because the comedian iseither going to be looking at
their own jokes, thinking aboutwhat they're going to say, or
they're going to go.
Ah, I see what you did you knowwhat I mean, like they're not
going to be like haha, likeright.
I mean people probably thinkthat I come off like an ass
because I will purposely fakelaugh, because I'm like that's a

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good joke, I'm just trying toshow it to you.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
But like.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I'm not going to like laugh.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I've been on television sitcoms and I was
always confused because they'dbe like oh, that one got a laugh
and I'm like the writers wouldhuddle together and be like that
joke got the biggest laugh.
I'm like this audience is likeon methamphetamine and being
paid to laugh like they're.
We said that joke six times ina row and the loudness of the

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laugh didn't diminish.
Like these are crazy people.
Why are we trusting them?
Yeah, and that's why seinfeldis.
If you listen to seinfeld like,that's all I don't.
They're not piping or orpicking up the laughter.
I sometimes think for thispodcast, now I'm going to
digress, but like I want to hackthe development process of

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stand-ups, like I I think it'sright for some sort of change
and like I was thinking aboutgoing on instagram live and just
being like do an emoji when youreally laugh in your home, you
know, like just weird thingswhere you're even like somehow
get a better sense of what works, rather than these open mics

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full of angry standards.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, well, I will say that's like a like, um, I
mean, new York has the sameproblem, but New York.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I've done, have you done open?
Mics yeah dude, it's even yeah,right, yeah it's the.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
But there's like clubs around the country like,
uh, my friend brendan therewho's a yeah, we're gonna have
him on the pod.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
He brendan, you don't know that.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah yeah, he's at go bananas in cincinnati, a
club, this weekend and he didthe open mic the night before
because he was in early, uh-huh,and he was like dude, it's.
He was like it's so much better.
Like these clubs have anaudience that comes to the open
mic, really like people willcome out to watch people work on
jokes and like that seems idealyeah it's how do you get there

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and build the audience?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
and then it's also there's a lot of bad at open
mics, that's yeah it's almostlike the audience has to know,
like they have to have some sortof masochistic joy of kind of
watching incredibly unevencomedy yeah, right yeah, all
right.
Well, we'll keep working on it,we'll spitball ways to improve,
yeah so, um, all, right back toyour story.
So you get going, you, you tryit out up in phippsburg.

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How far away is phippsburg fromportland?
Maine?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
45 minutes oh, it's not that far up near bath.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Okay, so two and a half hours from boston, for
those of you who are.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, okay, so you do it.
And then is a bug caught, orare you like?
I didn't like it?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
What no In fact, I was like like I knew part of it.
I was like, oh well, I'm stillnew and like I know that wasn't
actually good.
And these people, yeah, youdidn't trust their life right,
but I was like well, that wasfun, I did like it went better
than I thought it would.
It was kind of like one ofthose experiences where, after I
got off stage was like what did?
I just say like yeah uh, I'vebeen in a dream or something.

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And then they let me do it againin like a couple weeks, and I
was like sure, and I wrote likenew stuff uh, and that's where I
met my friend alex temple.
He's, uh, another localstand-up is he?
Coming on the pod.
You could probably get him.
I'm sure he's a new dad alex, ifyou're listening, you're coming
on um, but he, uh, that waslike the first friend I met in

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stand-up because we're the sameage, and he talked about like an
idea that I had also writtendown and I was like, oh, this is
great, like this is someone Iknow.
Is he a?
A comedy buddy?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like do you guys help each?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
other.
Yeah, we used to do when wefirst started, cause there
wasn't a ton of mics right here.
We would drive to Boston, likeall the time.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
What's the open mic scene in Boston, like there's
more.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I saw that there's that website.
I forget the name of it, but ithas.
But what is it?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, yeah yeah, that has all the open mic lists,
like everywhere right, yes allover the country there's more.
And when you go to someplacedifferent, like instead of that
feeling where the comics knowyou and they just go, ah,
whatever, and they don't listento you, they're like oh, we
don't know this guy, let'slisten.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
You know like oh cool .

Speaker 2 (14:38):
There's someone new, yeah, and like we started
figuring out like all right,well, let's do open mics here
for a month, We'll go down thereand do a couple, you know, at
the end of the month, where webring material that we've worked
on all month to be like is thisactually ready?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Oh, cool, and you how ?
Many open mics.
Do you think you've done?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
in Boston.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Total 50.
50.
Probably yeah, okay.
Over the course of a year or,two, two years probably.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I haven't gone down and done the open mics down
there in a little bit, becausenow I'm doing shows down there,
so it's like I might as well soyou've been hired to do shows in
boston yeah amazing, just soyou know, like, or listening at
home this is fast, like.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
This is a nice.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you're you're going, you're on a
, I've got a.
I don't want that to sound likeI've met, like of course, no,
no.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Casey's going fast here.
This is let's not call itmeteoric, but it's definitely
way, way way above the normal,and so it's really cool.
And that's what I'm sort offascinated by is let's get right
into this.
When did you feel or let's callit a break, like in acting, we

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call it our first break, thefirst thing you get hired for
but when did your confidencestart to build or click in a
real way?
Was it pretty immediate?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, oh, if I go back and listen to early tapes, it's
a lot of me going.
What was I going to say?
It's so awkward and and it'sjust not good and uh no, I don't
know if I even still haveconfidence.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Well, I have to say I've.
I've watched whatever you know,the stuff you have on instagram
, which is always just a tasteand you know, and it also you
don't get a sense of like theroom.
But I'll tell you what I noticeand this is in keeping with
this weird thing.
Now that I've watched so manypeople perform in open mics,
even if the jokes aren't working, you can tell when someone's a

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professional.
You can tell that they knowwhat they're doing and they're
just.
You know they're still trying towork it out, but there's a,
there's a confidence, there's anassuredness, there's it's a,
it's intuitive, it's almost likeblink, it's like a subconscious
thing.
You're like that person has alot of experience and knows what
they're doing, even if they'renot killing or right right and

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you?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
you feel that too right like oh for sure, when you
watch, uh, that's like likejohnny is my favorite person to
watch, not do well, because hehandles it so well, but it's
also just so funny because he'sacknowledging how it's not going
, like, yeah, some peopleacknowledge it and you're like
all right, dude, we get it.
Like this room isn't fun, yes,but then like he does it in such
a fun way that it's like a veryprofessional thing where it's

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like, yeah, we all know thisisn't going well, but it's fun,
we're all still he kind of likebrings the room almost up, but
like, yeah, like, yeah, I thinkthere's a weird thing like if
you can stand up there, not dowell and and somehow still be
full of like love and enjoyment,like people are just like okay,
yeah, you know, and and andyour and and your mind is

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working.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I find when I'm up there now, when it goes poorly,
it's like I'm slow, I'm notahead of my thoughts.
You know, I'm kind of behindthem and I'm playing catch up to
what I'm supposed to be doing.
And that's when I watch you andclearly I think these were bits
that were you done before andthey're tight, but there's just

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the assuredness of languagethere's, there's a crispness to
professionals or to people whoare doing it, that I'm still not
there yet and I'm like fuck, isit just?
Am I just under rehearsing?
Is it?
Is it just, should I betreating this like a, like a
monologue that I would do, youknow for for Steven Spielberg,
do?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
you know what I mean.
Yeah, so some people.
So I don't, I'm not very like,I don't like I'll write it down,
but I won't practice it beforesaying it beforehand when I go
to open mics or anything.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Really.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I, because I like the , the looseness kind of of like.
Okay, I know the idea.
If I just read it, I'm going tobe so rigid it's not going to
be funny.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I agree reading it, but I mean the jokes, like from
Seinfeld's point of view, rightLike every word is incredibly
important.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's the, that's the flip side.
Is that then?
So that's why I don't do itwhen I first say it.
When I first say it, I go allright, let's just say it, get
the idea out, feel the beats oflike what I like of this joke,
because I go up with, like whatam I going to remember from what
I wrote down?
Do what I like of it.
And then I go back and write oh, I listened to it.

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And I go okay, this word needsto change.
This is what you should fix.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So your first attempt at the joke.
There's no attempt to make itperfect, it's the exploratory
phase.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I will write down like.
So how I write a lot of timesis like I walk around my
apartment pacing with amicrophone and just like are you
clothed or yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
well, it depends on the day.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I suppose you have a mic like you have something like
that one, yeah, and then I justwalk around and we'll literally
just like riff on the idea outloud and you're recording it.
No, no, I just say it out loudand then I go oh okay, let okay,
let me write down.
Oh, that's funny.
It usually comes from one idea.
I listened to the Gambler andwas like, oh this, yeah, let me
rant about the Gambler.

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And then I will think about itand I go, oh, that's funny.
And then I'll go back, I'lllook at the song.
Maybe it'll be like oh, thatline's also stupid, like you
know.
No disrespect To the man thatwrote the gambler, but uh, yeah
but uh, and then I just yeah,then I'll write on ideas, I
guess, I guess, I guess thatdoesn't yeah I'm a mix of
writing and then riffing andthen bring that on stage of.

(20:12):
I also will forget half theideas, and that's part of my
issue but yeah, I mean me too.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, I think I do the same thing.
I've discovered I, sitting infront of a computer and trying
to write something funny, isdefinitely not the I can't do,
yeah.
So, uh, the the ranting whichI've, you know, shared some of
them is usually where you findsomething and as an improv
someone who's always lovedimprov that's it like oh yeah,
and it makes you, it keeps youalive.

(20:38):
I mean, I think I wanted totalk to you about this.
It's the biggest challenge Ihave with stand-up is that once
you say it and it works, I itloses the magic for me as far as
the joy of saying it again.
I'm like now I'm a parlor trick,yeah you know, now I'm just
like, so it's like, and it'smaking me think, like what the

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hell are you doing in stand-up?
And that's stand-up, youbasically hone it and and you
deliver it over and over andover again.
The same material so do youhave that struggle or do you
like, once you hone it, to keep?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
repeating it.
So I like, once I hone it, Istill am like trying to figure
out oh, is that?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
is there another word that I could?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
use.
Is this funny?
Oh, now that that part's done,yeah, it makes me think, oh, why
don't I like one of the videosI posted on instagram?
Once I posted it I was like, oh, how did I miss this?
And then I like wrote a wholenew angle on it just because I
watched it, watched me do itmyself to post it.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, when I listened to stuff from a week ago I'm
like, oh my god, I just listenedto a five minute.
That when I recorded I thoughtit was great I listened to it
and I was like not only am Inever doing that again, but I
cannot believe.
I just shared that with them.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Right, Right, but no, I I mean definitely that's how
I get like tired of.
That's honestly what I gettired of, like doing the same
material, Like when I have.
If I'm booked for 15 minutes,if I do the same 15 minutes for
like three months, I'm like, allright, let's throw.
I love to throw a new joke in.
Caleb will make fun of me forit all the time Because, like I

(22:07):
did, Brendan and I are greatfriends, but I feature for him
at Empire.
When you say feature for him,what does that mean?
So it's a host features themiddle comic and then Brendan
will headline to 45.
So features like anywhere from15 to 30, depending on the show

(22:28):
15 to 30, depending on.
Oh okay, on the show, um andcaleb was like you were just
doing a big show in front of oneof your good friends in
stand-up and I watched you throwin a joke that I know you wrote
this week and he's just likethey love it and I was like,
yeah, but did it work?
yeah, yeah yeah, of course itwas like a new joke where I was
like it was a quick one, where Iwas like it the all the beats
connected and it alreadyconnects to something else I
already talked about.
See, this is what's crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
We have to stop for a second, because if I hadn't
been trying this and doing thisand learning about this, I'd be
like why is that crazy?
For a comic, a week is plentyof time to to come up with a
joke and say in front of a liveaudience no one, I think,
understands the level of craplike building a fucking car

(23:09):
engine that you're doing thisthing.
And it's weird that a week agoyou have a new joke that you
added that's nuts.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
So for for the lay person, it's like wait these
guys, yeah, so the thing is likestand-up you can't really
practice unless you're in frontof people.
Yeah, so that's part of whatmakes it so hard to like.
It's what takes it so long.
Yeah, it's like a musician canplay wonderwall in his room all
day and then know if wonderwallsounds good you don't even like
whereas, and then when he goesin front of people, it's already

(23:39):
perfected.
Whereas, like you go and you saythis joke, you're like I think
that'll work, and theneveryone's like dude, what yuck
like yeah, you know what I just.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's such a cool thought and idea.
It feels like surfing.
Why I hate surfing.
It's like you can't practicesurfing unless you're out there
and it only lasts two secondsyeah.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, that's a great comparison, yeah so it's like
all summer.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It's like I surfed all summer.
How many seconds were?
Yeah, so it's like all summer.
It's like I surfed all summer.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
How many seconds?

Speaker 1 (24:08):
were you on waves?
It's like 42 seconds, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, you know it's likestand-up.
You're right, you can practiceat home, but it's not the same
thing.
The energy, and that's my thing.
I've been practicing,practicing, practicing.
Then audience is hostile.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Now are you a
bachelor?
Are we in love?
I have a girlfriend that I'vebeen dating since, I mean, I was
six months into stand-up maybe,so like she's basically been
around for the whole thing.
She watched me pretty early andthe fact that she stayed was
astonishing.
That's huge.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
No, there is nothing that's more vagina repellent
than seeing your boyfriend trystand up and bomb.
I mean honestly, I don't thinkthere's anything that uh will
put ice in the bedroom like thatso most couples break up after
that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, it's sofunny.
Okay, good for her.
What's her name?
Cena.
Okay, cena, good for you.
You really love your man, don'tyou.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, she's great, she's awesome okay um all right,
so oh, she told me this isgonna be mean.
She told me she likes your wifemore than you, so oh good, good
.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
How does she know, my wife uh like because?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
I was like, because she loves new girl, oh okay, so
when you you started standingwhere I was at empire, yeah like
one of the one of the firsttimes I saw you and everyone was
like, oh, that's the guy fromnew girl.
And then I was like, what dothey know?
And so I texted my girlfriendbecause I know she loves it yeah
hey, is this guy from new girl?
and then she was like yeah, andI knew it.
And then I, uh, I was like oh,I'm doing his podcast today, so

(25:38):
I googled you, because she waslike why does he live in ma?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And I was like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
And then, uh, like your wife pops up and I was like
, oh look, this is his wife, andshe was.
She was like, oh my God, I loveher in that show.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
So she didn't actually say she loves her more
than you.
I just thought, no, that'sgreat, I love it.
She's definitely worthy of morelove than me.
So, um, okay, so that's cool.
So Sina, yeah, sina, all right,shout out.
Sina, yeah, now do you have aside hustle or a side job?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I dig clams for a living.
Excuse me, I dig clams yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
You're a clam digger.
Yes, this is amazing.
All right, so I love steamers.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, streamers, yeah , yeah, yeah.
So when did you start?
Is this a family business?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
so my dad doug claims my whole life.
He's doug claim since he waswhat's his name terry.
Shout out terry, yeah, yeah,he'll love that.
Uh, he started.
His dad died when he was 18 andhe had two younger brothers and
a mom who couldn't drive oranything um her mom.
His mom couldn't drive yeah,she my dad's like 68 years old

(26:44):
and like so his mom was olderand didn't drive.
It was just kind of like the wayof the times in that time.
Okay, so yeah, he starteddigging clams at 18, just to
make money.
And was like I'll do this untilI figure out what I want to do.
And now he's been doing it for58 years.
I mean 50 years, 50 years ofclam digging.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, how's his 50 years of clam digging?
Yeah, houses lumbar back,houses back.
So clam digging, I see themthere's.
I live near a place called theclam flats.
Yeah, and there's got.
And these giant rubber bootspaint the scene of what a
clammer looks like.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's rubber boots up to your, up to your hips, okay
up to your hips like, yeah, upto well, yeah, yeah, that's
insane um, and you just go outin the mud and then dig little
tiny holes where the clams likeblow water up through the mud
you look for a little bubble,it's like a.
It's just a hole in the sand,you know, or?

Speaker 1 (27:31):
like mud.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Whatever you're in, okay um, and then, yeah, you
just dig down and pick them up.
That's basically.
It's very much exactly the term, that it's that so.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
So what makes a skilled clam digger versus a
chump clam digger?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
uh, speed, I guess, speed with which you can also
not hurting yourself is a good,so using your body correctly,
yeah yeah, like that's one thingmy dad has always done is like
actually take care of his bodypretty well is his back just
made of iron?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
oh, this is what I was gonna say so.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
My dad fell off a roof when he was like in his 20s
, like he did carpentry on theside or whatever and fell off a
roof and they were like, ah,when you get older, like there's
probably gonna be a time whereyou won't walk, you know,
because you're back, likebecause he's sorry to laugh.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
No, no it's fine.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
And he like crushed a bunch of discs in his back and
they were like don't dig clams,that's a horrible idea.
And then he just kept diggingclams because he had nothing
else to do.
And then then he went back tothe doctors like in his 50s and
they were like it's a greatthing you were digging clams
this whole time because you'velike actually like stretched it
out.
Based on the fact that he'sbeen bent over his whole life,
it's actually like helped him.

(28:37):
Yeah, I mean his back's likesuper strong.
One time the uh, my parents ownlike a, a clam, a small like
retail clam business in ourhometown.
Um, but one time the, theworld's strongest man, just
happened to be in town andstopped by in pipsburg yeah yeah
, and then he just like touchedmy dad's back and was like
that's insane like he was really.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, I want to touch your dad.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, I'm sure he would.
He'd love it.
Oh, my goodness, so so you?
When he does he still clam dig.
Oh, yeah, oh he's 68.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh yeah, he goes out with me.
I dig with him actually and howmany pounds, what's?
A good day in our town I mean agreat day is like 150 pounds
150 pounds of steamers.
Yeah, and what are theywholesaling per pound depends on
the time of year that changeslike a lot summer is obviously
summer, summer you get paid more.
Um, and they also want like abetter clam then obviously.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
But are the steamers always the same amount in the
beach or are there like?
Is it fluctuating year to year?
Year to year?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
yeah, and like also in the winter, it's a lot harder
to find because there's snowand all these other do you ever
have vacation?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
is there a natural steamer vacation?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
no, no, not in, not really here so just some people
don't dig during the winter.
But we do, you do yeah so didyou dig this week?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I dug yesterday, yeah , and how many hours uh, that
depends on where you are.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Where we dig, it's like six max, probably because
you have to go.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Are you listening to?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
tunes, I listen to podcasts and stuff.
Oh, great.
If I don't, it's usually justme writing in my head oh, that's
cool, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Just kind of over.
Is it meditative clam digging,do you?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
get in the zone Some days, then some days.
I'm like this is the mostmiserable experience.
What the hell does your dadthink about when he's clam
digging?
I don't know.
He loves it out there.
He loves it.
Yeah, he says it's like he'slike all of your.
My problems come when you comeback to shore.
He's like like that's when, likemoney's a problem anything's
like an actual problem oh, it'speaceful out there, yeah and

(30:40):
he's like it's the same way itwas when I was 18 out here, like
it's just the sunset.
You know what I mean gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, right, so that part is cool and I like being
out there like seeing.
I love steamers.
They're so delicious and Iremember, just as a brief
digression, I remember giving mykids steamers for the first
time and I'm circumcised and myson is not and uh, as they
pulled off.
For those of you haven't had asteamer, it's a really

(31:08):
interesting animal becausebasically there's a, a penis in
ball, sack in a clam shell right, and then I get what you're
saying.
Yeah, yeah and it's like youbecome an instant.
Is it a a moil?
Uh, you basically become acircumciser who can just pull
the sheath off the penis andthen you toss that yeah, that

(31:28):
part's nothing.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, is that an accurate description?
Yeah, yeah, some people won'teat the stomach, which I think
is what you're calling the ball.
Yeah, yeah, it looks like.
Yeah, no, it does.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Old man's hanging sack, so it's delicious by the
way, I'm not making it soundgood but no, it does sound
disgusting.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And you're, and then you dip it.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
For those who don't know, you dip it in generally
some hot water to clean the mudand sand.
So that's actually that's bad.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
No, no, no, that's actually my dad had this idea,
so my dad never went to collegeor anything, but he created the
first uh, recirculating wetstorage system on the east coast
.
What does?

Speaker 1 (32:05):
that mean.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
So basically they don't have the dirt in them.
In his clams, the ones he sells, uh, from his shop, they pump
water through the crack through.
No, so it's like a.
He has a system of water thatrecirculates and goes through uv
light and a bunch of filtersand will pump through and it get
.
The clams will pump all thatdirt out eventually and they
stay alive because they're inthe water and they still feed on

(32:27):
stuff in the water and then sodo you have giant tanks yeah,
they, they do at their retailshop, yeah and like when I was a
kid they used to do a ton ofbusiness and then they kind of
as they got older.
My dad was like, ah and yeahthe retail.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
You're done with the retail.
They still do retail.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
You could go down and buy like clams, just like
retail.
But we used to.
They used to do wholesale moretoo, and like actually in
scarborough, we used to.
We still sell to the clam bakerestaurant oh, no, that is yeah,
we used to sell to bailey'slobster pound too.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Oh, cool, um, all right, so you guys have a
proprietary system for no dirtso you just go straight to the
butter.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I gotta getme some of these clams I didn't
come over with.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I didn't know.
You like clams, some peopledon't like.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Next time like I, absolutely love them.
I have these great steamer pots.
I can.
I can batch, cook a ton ofclams all right, so um, that was
a my favorite digression of2025 there we go.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, take that caleb do you do clam digging bits?
Yeah, yeah, a little bit not alittle bit.
It's one of those things where,like, I feel like I'm too close
to it right now to see why it'slike I get that it's funny and
yeah in name and also what I'mdoing is crazy yeah um, it feels
like a shakespearean.
Can't like character, like aclam digger, uh, but yeah, I do

(33:44):
have some of them, some somejokes about it for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Okay, well, shout out clam digging.
And how many clam diggers doyou think there are in maine?
We're gonna just stay on.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Uh, how many, I don't know, because so there's like
in our town there's 20 licenses.
So if you go every town on thecoast, I don't know 2000 what's
crazy to me is you know theyhave oyster farms, right are.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Are there clam farms?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Steamer farms.
They grow in the mud so it'shard to like have a Right, and I
mean so do oysters, but oysterscan survive on the coast.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah.
But what's shocking to me isthat steamers aren't that
expensive.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
No, not really no.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's like in the effort and the circumstances to
get them.
It's pretty.
I don't want the prices to goup, but I'm kind of shocked at
the way yeah, they go up alittle bit during the summer.
I mean, they've got what's apound.
What's?
What do you like for a pound ofsteamers?

Speaker 2 (34:33):
I think like I mean during the summer, it's like
seven bucks, seven bucks a pound.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, and that took you what 15 minutes to?
To take you like two or threeminutes, two to three minutes
you get a pound, do you?
Do you come on like you'redigging for gold, like you come
on like a a giant vein ofsteamers, or are they just sort
of like equally scatteredeverywhere?
Uh, are you ever like, holyfuck, there's 7 000 pounds of

(34:59):
steamers in this.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I wish I found that more.
Yeah, yeah, but no for sure.
There's definitely spots whereit's better, like there'll be
patches where you're like, oh,this is great, and then all of a
sudden you're like, okay, cool,this last bucket has taken me
45 minutes.
This is horrible, which sucks.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Now one last question.
There's no pearls and shit insteamers right, Not the precious
gems precious gems, not thekind you would like use for
jewelry.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
There's not, I guess, usually.
I asked this to to my dad.
Apparently that's usually likeplaced in there in an oyster.
Yeah, they'll place like awhatever mineral it is in, like
oysters and it'll yeah, to tryto get it going.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Okay.
Oh man, I'm gonna eat steamersin a whole new way.
Um, fantastic, all right, sothat's your.
So five days a week, you'redoing that.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I do it.
I do it as much as I can.
I mean weekends.
Now, luckily, I'm being bookedmore, so then what are we
getting?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
paid now to to do standup, but what I mean?
I will preface this by sayingI've been going down to new york
and going to the comedy cellarand just loving it and all the I
mean I've seen sam morrell,david tell all the time and all
these guys, uh, dave chapelle,the place is amazing and but
it's 75 bucks for for a spot,probably for a spot, uh.

(36:19):
So like a guy will come downfrom their harlem apartment like
take it down, go do their 15minutes and get like 50 bucks to
75 bucks.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
And then yeah, but they get to do like eight of
eight spots or whatever they cando like a million spots.
Yeah, that is true, but I meanwhat I'm?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
yeah, I guess what I'm saying is like that is the
apex of, that's the preeminentstand-up club in, uh, america,
right, and that's what they'regetting well, so then they make
more money when they go on theroad for the weekend, yeah
that's where, like the, have youdone?
Have you?
Have we started to do that?
No, I I'm no, no obviouslythat's the goal.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I don't think I'm close, but uh, don't think I'm
close.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't think I'm close.
Yeah, like what?
What is what?
Why don't you think you'reclose?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
one.
It's hard to get any sort ofname up here, which is why I
want to move to New York.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
But it's also I mean, I've headlined a couple times I
want it to be tighter.
I would rather be.
I like trying to be the best ofthe.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, small pond, big fish, small pond and then move
that energy.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah hopefully I can.
Yeah right, I would like to,because, like, I go down to new
york tonight and I'm like, okay,I'm holding my, I'm holding my
own with some of these people,but there's people that are
significantly better.
Are you going to open mics?
Yeah, and I also went down toaustin.
I did a bunch of shows in austinokay, that's got a good scene
because of yeah, the whole club,rogan club and everything, yeah
but I did the creek in the cavewhich used to be a new york
club, and they moved it downthere, um, and I did a couple

(37:44):
shows down there and again I Iheld my own.
But I was like, man, these guysare better.
Like they're getting up morethan me so they can practice
more than me too.
So I want to be at the level ofthose guys.
So like, when I came back I waslike, oh, nose to the
grindstone.
Like you're, you're fallingbehind because I'm not in a
scene where, like they can do100 spots in a week whereas like
we get five.

(38:04):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
So like, yeah, that's the biggest thing, I think is
not being in the environmentwhere you're just like.
All you're thinking about isthat right and that's what I
like.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Having like brendan, having brendan like a
professional is like okay,brendan's ahead of me, so I'm
trying to like catch him almostin like a friendly competition
way, where I'm like all right, Iwant to be as good as this guy
is.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
So let's break it down.
You want to, and if there areother comics listening if, if
you became the ceo of your lifeand you just could step outside
and get rid of all you're notattached to any emotions, you're
not attached to anycircumstance if you could just
like, channel a ceo that wouldsay you want, that's your goal,
and in the next two years, thisis what you need to do.

(38:48):
Do you know the answer to whatthat CEO would say to you?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Not really Cause that's, that's one of the other
things, but like I feel likethat's a all artists thing, is
there's no like map, like withanything like a.
I mean, obviously being adoctor is harder, I'm not saying
that, but like there's.
You know, I go through school,I get good grades, I go to, you
know, grad school, I go to medschool and then like, work
through the residency and do allthat stuff, whereas, like with

(39:13):
comedy, you're like I get better, but how do I get followers
that make it so that I can tour,or how do I get better and then
seen by a like into clubs, orhow do I get?
Yeah, yes, you know, like ifyou're in new york, you just
keep grinding and eventually,hopefully, you keep getting
better, but it's just a weirdlike yeah, it's not an actual
map like no the only map thathas ever been told it seems is

(39:34):
right and perform that's itexactly right perform right,
perform, right, perform and keepgoing.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
and I would add one to that, not that I know
anything, but I would say thatyou got to live, you know like
you got to live life and you gotto, you got to become a full
person, you know, with all theselayers, cause then, then your
material gets more interesting.
And I think I'm always shockedwhen a 16, 17 year old can be

(40:01):
good.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Cause.
Like you haven't, what do you?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
know what's your perspective.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, yeah, can be good.
Yeah, because, like you haven't, what do you know?
What's your perspective?
Yeah, yeah, and I weirdly,starting at 45, 46, it's like I
have.
There's so much richness inyour life, whether it's marriage
or kids or home.
Like you've done all thesethings and and humor can be
extracted from all.
You've got tragedy, whatever,uh.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
So I've always like huge props to really young
comics who are somehow that Iwill say that's I got this tip
from from a comedian when I wasyoung.
Like young and stand up, I meanlike I mean not that I am, I'm
still am but was like if there'sever experience versus an open
mic.
So like someone's like hey,let's go to some sort of metal

(40:42):
show, I don't like metal.
But like they're like let's goto some sort of metal show, I
don't like metal but likethey're like, let's go.
You do that over the open micevery once in a while because
it's like I have this experiencenow and so I go to that that
thing, I go.
Oh, that's a weird thing I'mnever in this situation and you
almost get like more materialout of doing an experience than
you do.
Yeah, like I'll say.
Yeah, I say yes to like like I.

(41:05):
I did an old folks home show Ido like I do like any show,
because I'm like well, worstcase scenario, this goes really
bad, but then it's funny so like.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Do you remember any of your jokes at the old folks
home?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I have a joke in my act about doing the old folks
home because it went so like bad.
Because, like I mean, I, whatdo I?
Like?
Yeah, my parents watched theandy griffith show and that's
the most I can relate to thesepeople.
Like I have nothing and like,yeah, it started off well
because I just made fun of thefact that, like we're not, you
know what.
I mean, Like I'm sorry to endup here.

(41:36):
But once you went into youractual set.
Yeah, once there was material,it was not good and you're just
getting.
Well, you don't even know ifthey can hear you.
Yeah, no, exactly one personjust gets up and starts walking
at me on stage like walkingtoward you, yeah, and like a
walker which, like she walkedwith her walker coming towards
stage and I was like it was likea long enough time where I was

(41:57):
like is anyone gonna like, do Idon't know?
where she's going like juststart doing crowd work with
someone who is losing their mindExactly.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, oh, poor old people, man, we treat them so
awfully.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
It's so bad.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Oh, that's hilarious.
It reminds me of I would at myschool.
I was, you know, everyone hadto be in the glee club and we
would tour and go to old folkshomes and be singing like these.
You know songs all and go toold folks homes and be singing
like these.
You know songs, all theprepubescent boys voices you
know, and they'd be like the oldfolks homes, probably the one
you were in.
It's like 85 degrees in therebecause everybody's cold.

(42:34):
So they would warn the kids.
They'd be like do not lock yourknees while singing.
And sure enough, literally atevery old folks home, be like
hallelujah, oh god, and it'slike little jimmy just fully
kills, like full timber dude.
And uh, you'd have to stopsinging because little little

(42:57):
timmy lock yeah, that's not tosay don't do open mics to any
community yeah, definitely go toopen mics, but you know what I
mean if there's an experienceevery once in a while.
Yeah, I mean my my issue reallyis I know the ceo thing is kind
of a.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I know if your goal is to get as good as stand up as
fast as humanly possible, it'sto go to austin and new york,
surround yourself with thesepeople right every day and grind
and go up every every singleday I mean, it's just simple
yeah, I always think about itlike in like a basketball sense

(43:32):
of like if you, if like let'sjust I'm not disrespecting
people up here but like, let'sjust say this this scene in
basketball would be like, if I'mjust playing eighth graders
every day, I'm gonna sure you dowell, but it's like, am I gonna
get as good as if I was playingnba players every day?
You know, I'm like, yeah, ifthere's better people around you
, you're just gonna have to likeraise, rise up or fall.

(43:52):
I guess yeah but like yeah, orlike, or like a a brain surgeon.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
You wouldn't want the brain surgeon who's done 10
brain surgeries, you want theone who's done 10 million yeah,
like yeah, and and I think, uh,that's the sort of hardest thing
about stand up in maine, right?
I mean, we have one or two, wehave one, you have five a week,
six tops maybe seven tops and,uh, you're just not around

(44:19):
you're not around it.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
The, the, the.
The good point of being inmaine is that you get.
This can be good and bad isthere's uh, a lot of like, uh,
independent shows, like peopleput on their own show, and you
get time longer time than younecessarily have.
So, like, you get to do longersets early, which isn't a great

(44:43):
thing in the sense of likeyou're probably not going to
well, but you can kind of like,do more material versus like in
New York your first spot mightbe a two minute set you know
like, and that's great becauseyou're going to get the best at
two minutes.
But then, like up here I've done20 minutes quicker than a lot
of like comedians who are 10,not 10 years in but like like,
five years in in boston haven'tlike done 30 minutes where it's

(45:06):
like sure they probably they'refive minutes might be the
tightest five minutes, which,like I, try to also have a tight
five minute.
I also know that, so I try tokeep it tight too, but like they
don't get to expand until they,like, are super deep.
Yeah, does that make sense?
I'm not explaining that verywell.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
No, no you are, it's perfect.
I, my experience is like I did.
I really worked hard on a tightfive.
Yeah, I realized that what washolding me back was I just
didn't I.
I was placing value on just me,thinking I was being
interesting, and I was placingno value on just how to cram as

(45:48):
much funniness into the tightestwindow as possible.
And so I worked really hard andgot what I thought was a tight
five.
I performed it and it was animmediate feedback of like three
guys came up and they were like, will you do our show?
Or, like you know, we do a showonce a month.
And it was like, oh fuck that.
I asked you what your breakthat was.

(46:08):
I would send her my only break,okay, yeah you know, it was
like.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It was like okay I, I just figured something out, you
just have to like, oh okay,yeah, so if we're gonna say I do
remember my first show, thefirst show that they ever had me
on, they asked alex to be on.
The guy like asked me, askedalex, in front of me, was like
hey, we're gonna give a spot tosomeone at this open mic, asked
alex.
And then he like saw, he waslike ah, we could probably give

(46:33):
you a guest spot.
And I was like, all right, I'lltake it whatever.
And then did the show and itlike went well and it was like
it was perfect, like somehow itwent well.
Like listening back to thatmaterial I'd be like ooh, that
was one of those jokes, maybe.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, but it went well and that was where I was
like oh, all right, so I can dothis, this is what it is, yeah,
yeah, and I think they.
And then they said so do youhave?
10 minutes after and I was likeno, I just have Very.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
That's a very good thing that you did, because so
many comedians will go.
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
When they don't have yeah, yeah people assume they
have way more material than theydo so I I went out to la I have
, you know, very, somewell-known stand-up friends and
I did a terrible open mic at thecomedy store, yeah, you know.
And we went out to dinner andhe and I was like, is it crazy

(47:27):
that I'm doing this podcast andI've stated that I'm gonna have
a 20 minute set at the end of ayear?
And he was like, absolutely,and that's an insane goal and I
and I was like what is lessinsane?
he's like 10 minutes like max bythat standard, which is that

(47:48):
it's just fucking razor tight,right, all 10 minutes is just
crammed, yeah, as opposed to,like you know, the two minutes
of crowd work and then some sortof half-baked meandering story,
correct, you know?
Uh, so I've always I ingestedthat.
I was like, oh shit, like Igotta, I gotta get at least 10

(48:10):
where I feel like it's tight,it's tested and then I'll go up
and have my first.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, some comic was just talking about that last
night, about, like I was like,yeah, you get, you have to have
your first 10.
That is so tight that it's likeundeniably like, if I do this
10, it's gonna work, uh-huh.
And then you build a second 10,you know what I mean?
Like that's kind of.
And then first 10, that is sotight that it's like undeniably
like, if I do this 10, it'sgonna work.
And then you build a second 10.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
You know what I mean like that's kind of, and then
you end up just yeah, two years,yeah, right, 100 yeah yeah,
because I went right when yourestarted and you were like I
haven't been writing, I finallygot this premise and it was
about the gambler.
I'm like, oh yeah, this guy ishe knows he's being serious
about it like he knows what areal working joke is and

(48:49):
sometimes it takes forever toget one right like one line yeah
, right, like 10 seconds.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I I have a I had this joke that I was working on that
I like I can't get it past alot, like I want it to be longer
.
I'm like this should be.
This feels like a vein that Ishould get, yeah, and do a good
a minute long joke.
We'll say and it's a 10 secondjoke and I'm like, well, I guess
I'm just gonna add it into aspot where it and see if I build
on it late, like can build onit later because it's like the
line works.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That's so I have a one line joke.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
That's great.
I mean like, can you share it?
Uh, basically it's about so the.
The problem that I'm alsohaving with it is the setup is
super convoluted.
There's too much information.
In the town that I went to highschool in is Bath, maine.
Bath is the home of BathIronworks, which is the largest
Navy ship plant in the countryBig time.
Also.
Everyone in the town worksthere.

(49:38):
Our mascot in high school wasthe shipbuilders, which just
tells everyone exactly whatthey're going to do after
graduation.
Uh, and like the that I.
The joke that I have is likethat's like if an art school had
the mascot of the baristas iswe know where we're going, dude
but like you can't tell us likethat, and that's the line yeah,

(49:59):
this gets a chuckle, like italways will get a chuckle.
Yeah, that'll always get achuckle and I just have nowhere,
I don't really have a place toput it.
Or like anything, so it's justlike okay, cool, I'll figure
that out later, I guess yeahlong set up one thing not
connected to anything else.
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
So I'm like well, what was thepoint of that?
I just wasted.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
It will come in handy .
That thing ready to firethere's, someone else will set
up the context in the crowd andyou can have that.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
There's a uh, I actually did get to use it the
other day.
I did a show in bath and I waslike, oh, finally, this is great
, um, but I feel like that'sanother thing of like don't be
afraid to throw a joke on theback burner and also don't be
afraid to like just lose a jokelike oh my god.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Well, I forget them all.
I'm lost.
I have no short-term memoryanymore.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I I have a joke that, like I for so long would get.
Like I was like this part, likefor some reason, like there's
something here and it kind ofworks, but I never had anything
to it.
And then all of a sudden, likeI found another premise and I
was like, oh, if I just likefrankenstein, this all together,
all of these like random jokeideas that I've had.
Now it's like a five minute bitof mine and I'm like, oh, like

(51:10):
this is what I was waiting for.
I just never had a spot for anyof this stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I wanted to.
I sort of have a few setquestions because I think about,
like, why I'm doing this.
One of the reasons is I thinkit would be super cool for maine
to get more energy into thescene.
And do you what?
What would you say?
Is the, if you could changeanything about maine comedy

(51:37):
scene, what would you changebesides just more people coming?
You know, do you think there'sany sort of like thing that we
could be doing or the communityof comics could be doing?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
see, that is tough, because I don't like.
Part of it is that portlandonly has 60 000 people, so like
yeah, you know I mean it's hardto get like we can't have
another club really there's notspace, there's not like is there
anything you wish?
Empire did differently I empirehas been huge for me I think,
that's honestly been.
What kind of has like again, Idon't think I'm good, but has

(52:11):
got me like further along isjust the opportunities there
have been, like they have thelast call showcase where you get
to go up at 9 pm, so it's likealmost like an open mic where
you get to go.
All right, this is what Iworked on for the last month.
I'm doing 10 minutes in frontof six drunk people but it's
like, ah, they're here for fun.
They came to a comedy club.
They know what they're here for.
So it's like kind of a I thinkEmpire really has like.

(52:34):
And then obviously I've gottenopportunities to open for ari
shafir, you know like you opened.
Yeah, I, I featured for ari,wow open brag.
Brag for us open for yannispoppis, cam patterson, big j, uh
, uh, featured for mike cannonand caitlin palufo, which was
huge.
Those two were incredibly niceto me and shout out to them uh.

(52:57):
And then, obviously that'swhere I met brendan and then
brend.
Brendan and I have becomefriends.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
And this was all at Empire.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Those were all at Empire yeah, oh great.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
So you're like a, you're a tried.
Your status at Empire is verysolid.
I'm a house comic in quotesyeah, they don't really have
like a set up thing.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Do they pay you for those?
Yeah, oh yeah, for all thefeature sets and everything is
what do you get?
100 bucks for featuring, 50 forhosting?
I believe, is that like fourhours of clamming, depends.
I got paid the other day.
I got paid, uh.
I did a show in bath with johnranitsky, the from.
He did snl, uh, but they paidme 200 bucks because it's like a
chocolate is the chocolatechurch, it's like a performing

(53:37):
arts center and I the day.
Every time I went digging.
After that I was like, if Idon't enough, if I don't make
the same amount of digging clamstoday, I'm quitting, which is
also false.
I don't do stand up Like.
I don't get paid 200 bucks,enough to go yeah.
I don't need to do this, but Iwas like, man, this is like.
That was the first time.
I was like, wow, it is likecrazy that I'm not making as
much doing my day job now, likein a day where I'm like, oh, wow

(54:04):
, I did 15 minutes on this showand got 200 bucks is crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Like yeah, and 200 bucks and 100 bucks feels good
in your pocket when you've donesomething you really like.
You made people laugh and nowyou're 100 bucks the first time
that I ever got paid a threedigits.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I was like for that I was like I did like two jokes
about my dick.
I was just like getting paidfor that.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
That's crazy you have uh, I I I'm not saying this in
any kind of you seem like you'rea very authentic guy.
I feel like if we were in highschool you'd be acting the exact
same way.
You do remind me of in yourvoice and timber of shane gillis
.
Oh yeah, you get that.
Yeah, yeah yeah I know, and it'sa problem, because I remember

(54:39):
my, I don't think it's a problem, but my point is I remember
going to my first open mic and Iwas like, oh, everyone's trying
to be shane gillis, like theywere doing, like the fucking
thing, this thing, yeah, yeah, Iknow it caught on crazy, crazy,
the uh, I also put my handbehind my back a lot when I'm on
stage and everyone's like, oh,that's shane gillis, and I'm

(55:00):
like, no, no, that's natebargatze.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
If I'm really stealing it from anyone, if we
want to be true here, likewatching nate bargatze
especially, he's doing it thewhole time with the hand behind
I think that's where I got itfrom.
Oh, cool.
So the shane thing is likepeople are gonna trash me
probably for this, but like loveit.
I do think that I like shane alot, like obviously you can tell
, but like I do think part of itis like I was just an athlete

(55:24):
who grew up being in the lockerroom situation and again I'm
just who I like, I try to bejust who I am, grew up in like a
blue collar town, blue collarjob.
So it's like, yeah, we havesimilar stories growing up.
So it's like, yeah, we're gonnaact, kind of similar yeah to.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I don't know, I know I don't think, yeah, and I I
would, and that seems to be oneof the greatest challenges with
stand-up is just like doingsomething new.
Yeah, right, because you know,and my way of dealing with that
is the only thing that I know noone has is like deeply personal

(56:00):
I do I'm.
A lot of my stuff is just eithersomething that's happened to me
or about me, or you know what Imean it's all I only do, I
can't like, I don't have thatlike observational thing I mean
that's, I guess, the gamblerjoke I do but like yeah, but but
that's okay, like you don'tneed to no I, I think that's
like.
It's what makes it personal,like you know like I want to

(56:21):
hear, like I want to get to know, right, yeah yeah, I think that
is like a like.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
It's good for the audience too, because then you
almost and like I think it'spart of you get like a little
cachet if up top they learnabout you.
And then you try like a kind ofa darker joke.
They're like you know, I knowthis guy like he's nice.
He doesn't, you know he'skidding like it's almost like a.
This is like how I've alwayslooked at.
Stand-up is like everyone'sfunny with their friends, right,
yes, so how do I get theaudience to be my friends

(56:47):
essentially?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
beautiful way to when I joke around my friends.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
They never take anything.
They're like oh, he's obviouslykidding, like no one gives a
shit.
Yeah, so like that's kind ofwhat I.
What you want with the audienceis like this is a big friend,
hang.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
It's kind of like I want it that is a beautiful and
I've been trying to do that andI remember doing a set.
I was the most confident aboutit because it's, and I love it
because it's.
It's basically like my sonasked me if I'd ever done
cocaine and there's just a veryfunny conversation that ensued
and I and I really got it's fullof jokes.
But the final joke, which Ilove, is like when I'm

(57:18):
explaining to what it's like andit's like you know, at
halloween, you see your friendand he's got more candy than you
and you're just like I willsuck your dick for another
snicker, like.
I said that and everyone waslike, like, and I was like, oh,
clearly like, no, everyone wasloving this yeah, but that was
too far and I was like that'sthe only line I like, right you

(57:40):
know and and um, and there's abook I I read that it was
basically like if you're gonnabe dark and it's like you just
don't want to shock the audience, they, they need to know, kind
of at the top, that that's whatyou are you know if you're a
nice guy, yeah you know, ifyou're just a kind-hearted clean
dude and then you drop this sonsucking a dick like they're

(58:01):
just like.
Who are you?

Speaker 2 (58:02):
right, it doesn't work and that makes me.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Do you have?
It seems like those crit I'mtalking to caleb.
The critical moment is thatthose you know the first 30
seconds, right like showing themthat you're funny right away,
do you have when you go up?
What is, how do you handlegetting that first laugh, the?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
first laugh is when my anxiety is like po, like it's
gone, like.
But when I'm walking to stageI'm like oh shit, dude.
Well, you don't even know yourjokes.
Like, what are you doing?
Like yeah well, you're about tolike freak out and then, uh,
I've, I'll sidebar with this.
I did a comedy competition oneyear and did forget all of my
jokes, so I had the worst thinghappen to me, just forgot them

(58:42):
all well.
Well, just where I was going.
I like stuttered and then reset.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I was just my last open mic.
I was for 11 seconds.
I was silent on stage.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
As I was just going through the Rolodex and being
like this is full blank errorcode.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Oh yeah.
But so the other thing I'venoticed is like it's the.
What gets you to that point islike the panic.
What?
What gets you to that point islike the panic.
So you forget and then youpanic, that's when you like and
then it's gone.
But if you can just realizethat that first forgetting no
one in the audience is real,like it's a half a second that
you forgot, they don't know itwas 11 seconds right, right, but

(59:15):
that's once you start to gouh-oh, what is it?
you know what I mean whereaslike when you first forget
something, you just go like ifyou just it's almost like no one
notices because it's in yourhead, it seems so much longer,
and then like once you panic andthen you go uh-oh, it's gone.
Like that's when you get tolike a longer where it's like
uh-oh, it was 11 seconds of, butalso with the open mic, that's
where that's where you should dothat.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Like that stakes.
Yeah, I've said it before, it'slike because I'm recording and
I'm because I'm reporting onthese open mics, the stakes are
needlessly high for me yeah,where they shouldn't be it is, I
mean it's.
I think I'm probably developingfaster because of it and I
because fear is a good motivator.
But um, oh, so anyway, back tothe yeah quick on stage.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
That's also a thing of why I write so many jokes.
I'm scared I was scared of thesilence for so long of like I
knew if I could just keep firingjokes.
It's like well, eventually likethat also comes from like doing
I did a lot of bar shows islike if, even if they're not
listening, if they get a bunchof jokes like, eventually I'll
be like oh, I like that one.
Yeah, even though these guysare drunk, they'll like turn

(01:00:14):
around and be like oh, that onewas funny and then they'll start
listening, kind of thing yeah,so uh, but yeah, scared of the
silence is what.
But when I go on stage I have ajoke that I go to now, usually
pretty quick but the morecomfortable I've gotten on stage
.
I love doing a riff aboutsomething in the room or like
when I headlined Empire, like Ihad Caleb feature for me and

(01:00:38):
Caleb does this like joke.
I'm sure they'd be fine.
Caleb does this joke where theyget like an ass chant going like
we love ass and through thethrough the audience and my
uncle was at the show, and so Iopened being like I get to find
out my uncle loves ass like whois that?
This is perfect right and likethat's the stuff I like the the
room riff at the beginning, justbecause it's like everyone's
involved and they go okay.

(01:00:59):
So he is funny have you have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
You have you read Gary Goldman's like 366 tips.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Oh, I have them saved .
I sure do, attaboy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I've been sort of on some of the podcast episodes.
I'll just riff on three.
I'll just literally recitethree of them.
But yeah, it reminds me of whathe does, he goes.
I just try to make anobservation that's honest and
true about something in the room, something on the stage,
something that's happened thatno one's just addressed.
It's usually an elephant in theroom or something.
We're just like wow guys, we'reall pretty depressed right now

(01:01:28):
you know like it's just like.
If it's true, they'll laugh.
And so you just got to findsomething that's true, I was
just listening to I forget hisname, but it was on Instagram
and it was this podcast where hewas just like he was just
ripping he hates crowd work likehe just hates that this is
happening.
He's like this poor, likefucking armenian dude and you're
just gonna rip on him, oryou're?
You're gonna take some couplethat is having like they don't

(01:01:51):
know where they stand in theirrelationship and you're just
gonna humiliate them and makethem have a fight on the way
home like it's awful.
I was like, oh, that's he had.
It was almost like coming froma heart forward place, see so I
don't really do a ton of crowdwork because like yeah, I,
that's how I when I would go tostand-up shows.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I didn't want to be talked to like you know like so
I know the anxiety that they'refeeling like.
I don't want to make that on so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
But now, like matt rife and stuff, like people,
like people love it, he'll gofor it too, and like if someone
is a problem in the audience, Iwill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
You know what I mean If they're being obnoxious.
Have you been heckled, not a?
I mean, like I said this on.
I'm sure Caleb will be finewith this, but I'll text them
after.
But so I said this on a.
Uh, they interviewed me for thenewspaper.
They did this like fivequestions with and they asked
have you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
ever been heckled.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, nice.
So they asked.
They were like have you everbeen heckled?
That's like the big fear a lotof people have and I was like a
lot of times.
Heckles are usually peoplebeing positive, but they don't
know like.
It's usually like a, a drunkwoman or an overzealous guy who
just like are chiming in andalmost just like they don't
realize how disruptive they'rebeing.

(01:02:59):
They're having fun.
Their intention is good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yes, the outcome is not right.
And they're like trying to.
They think help, but it's likewe don't realize how disruptive
they're being.
They're having fun.
Their intention is good.
Yes, the outcome is not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Right and they're like trying to.
They think help, but it's likewe don't need to know, like yeah
, you're delusional.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
And I yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
And it's usually like a lot of times it's someone in
the front row will like commentback to you, like to whatever
you're saying, but the problemis you can, can't be like hey,
would you shut the fuck up?
Like you're just gonna seemlike a dick, and also no one
else in the room can hear them.
So a lot of times, like peoplein the front will say something
or be talking like slightly andlike no one can.
It's why, like on crowd workclips, you see them repeat what

(01:03:31):
they say a lot.
One, because it gives them timeto think, but two, it's because
no one else can hear what thesepeople like say half the time
because they are facing awayfrom everyone and they're also
sitting in the second row andthey're 100, whatever you know
like um, but yeah, so like a lotof times it's not like this you
suck.
And then, literally the nextshow I did with caleb, some

(01:03:52):
woman got hammered.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
It was like you suck to caleb and I was like oh my
god I'm so sorry, I jinxed youyeah, you did.
Caleb is great, by the way don'ttake that they just oh, man,
yeah, I haven't dealt with that,I don't you know?
You read this book of, like,how to really be a stand-up and
and how to be prepared and and alot of it is just like having a

(01:04:14):
set list for hecklers, likehaving a set list for every
situation.
And I remember going to a baropen mic and I was like I don't
have the right set for thisscene.
Like this scene, it should justbe ripping on maine and people
in the army and alcoholics andyou know, people who are
spending sunday at 2 pm at ashitty bar in maine, like I need

(01:04:35):
that material and and it almostfeels like the whole thing.
I I would think the asuperpower you could have in
this business is an incrediblememory.
You know where you have liketotal recall of like everything
you've ever written.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yeah, and I'm like that is the opposite oh, I don't
have it at all.
I don't have it at all.
And uh, one thing I think thisis just a good.
This is like a.
It kind of comes from, you know, dan soder yeah so it kind of
comes from a dan soder tip.
I heard once where he was likehe read that book uh, how to win
an argument by cicero.

(01:05:13):
And basically he takeseverything, every angle of a
joke, like if you were trying towin an argument of like in a
lost law room.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
But you would like take every angle and explore
every option, right right, youwould be able to articulate
everyone's point of view betterthan they can so kind of my
angle on this when I'm writing ajoke is where would someone
disagree and heckle like so,like what?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
like, if I'm gonna do a joke where it's like okay, I
know some people aren't gonnaagree with this, but it's just
the setup, and then I'm gonnaturn it so they like like it's
going to be a funny like it'snot going to be.
They're going to think they'regoing to disagree and that's
going to be some sort of sillyjoke, but like it's, where are
they going to heckle?
So like, why would theydisagree?
let me have a line where I agreewith those people too, like I
almost kind of like, oh, that'sa cool wayled because, like also

(01:05:57):
the longer.
I've got into it.
I'm more like well, I'll justsit and like let it be awkward
for a second, and now I can likeyeah, there's a like I know
what you're thinking, yeah, andreally know, yeah, I, you, I
know you guys are thinking x andyou don't have to say that of

(01:06:17):
course, right, that's theexercise.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
what, what are the tricks?
What do you think you'velearned?
This is a hard question, butwhat have you learned in four
years, Like if someone is juststarting out, like, what are
some of the things you know?
What are the Casey?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Watson tips.
I would say get over, beforeyou try to write a story which I
write.
Learn how to write a joke.
Yes, so right, learn how tojust write jokes first and how
did you learn?

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
where did you learn?
Did you read any good books?
Is there anything that's helpedyou?
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
uh, I listened to like every podcast I could, or
anything where comedians weretalking about doing stand-up
like what are the good ones?
Have you ever heard hot breath?
No, hot breath is this.
Uh, he's like a.
He's a clean comedian but heinterviews comics about like
coming up with stand-up, kind ofuh-huh uh, and like dan soda

(01:07:14):
that's where I heard the dansoda cicero tip was like read
that book.
Uh, he has the one with natebargatze, andrew schultz, like
he does like a million hotbreath.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yeah, oh, cool, I'll check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
That was a good one.
And then um me writing likemark norman like it's a very.
You know, he has like a likelearning joke structure.
Essentially it's like thatguy's incredible jokes, so it's
like that's kind of where I paidfor.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
He has a video uh on his website that 15 minutes to
stage that, yes, yeah, page tostage.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yes, I think I paid, for he has a video uh, on his
website that 15 minutes to stagethat.
Yes, yeah, I think I paid liketwo dollars, yeah, yeah, that's
an incredible.
Like I love that stuff toobecause, like to me, that's so
interesting to watch, like theone of the best, develop a joke
and like get it on to yeah andhe tried it like 28 times before
he figured it out yeah and thenyeah and then.
It was like he had to come backfrom wherever he was.

(01:08:03):
Tried it there didn't work likeyeah, and what's what I found?

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I was watching, I was like, by my standards, every
single time he said this jokehas worked because the audience
is laughing, right right, but byhis standards he's like, nah,
nah, it's not there and I'm likethat was a good laugh, yeah,
yeah.
And then, like, when he finallythought it worked, it was like,
uh, obviously a great laugh,but I was like it wasn't that
much better than the otherlaughs that he's been yeah, one

(01:08:30):
like story I always heard wasdavid tell would he'd write a
joke it would work and then hewould just keep changing the
punchline.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
And each time the punchline is working, like
whatever word he was using, hewould just keep changing it.
But he's like everyone's likeyeah, but it's working.
He's like yeah, but it's notthe.
I want the best one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I'm gonna keep trying yeah, it's that engine and sam
aurel's like that I heard likehe's just a tinker, he cannot
stop.
Yeah, and I think that's mybiggest dilemma.
No, it's not even a dilemma,but doubt about this whole thing
is like I just don't enjoytinkering like I just want to
come up with new stuff.
Yeah, I just like I'm a noveltyhog, you know.

(01:09:08):
I just want, like that's thejuice for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Well, but that's like I mean joe list, I mean louis
ck for whatever, but like theydo a special a year you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So they are always doing new material.
It's like they're putting outthis material like yes, there's
a way to do it right, yeah, yeah.
So what's the plan?
Where?
Where are people where?
Where do you see yourself in in?
I would love to move to newyork.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
That's my plan, I'm hoping by the end of the year.
Hopefully it would be my, mygoal nice but what?
What would keep you from notfinancially?
I don't make a ton of money now, so you can become a barista,
yeah right um, yeah, it'sbasically just figuring out how
to afford new york and get a jobdown there, because I'm not
gonna dig clams in new york.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Well, let me say as your wise elder you're not gonna
have a plan, of course, youjust go right, just gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
So that's actually that's one thing.
Like that's where I'm veryinspired by my brother.
Is he just moved to new york?
Yeah, do or do not.
Yeah, he just like, he went toschool for stage management, did
it up here a bunch, did it inlewiston and then just was like
can you stay with him?
Yeah, that's what I want to do.
That he's moving soon and I waslike he's like, can you help me
move?
And I was if I could staywhenever I want?

(01:10:17):
Yeah, what the hell?
He's your brother.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Yeah, that's what you gotta do I mean just on a couch
for two weeks, yeah, right, andthen you.
I think the comedy cellar is thecoolest place ever, because you
can just go up to thatrestaurant oh yeah, and you can
just hang right and like hang atthat bar, yeah, and like I
don't know what kind ofserendipity would happen for
someone who's driven, like youand clearly knows what they're

(01:10:40):
doing already, like man and, youknow, be a waiter there.
I don't know.
Like right, yeah, just figuresomething out.
Yeah, yeah, and it's dark.
I mean I lived in new york andthat's where I got started
acting and I was 22, 23 andyou're 28, yeah, yeah, I mean
you, you're.
If I, at the end of the year,you're not living in new york,

(01:11:02):
I'm gonna be upset.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Good, yeah, yeah, I just don't think I, I think you
just do it no, yeah, I uhbrendan unsolicited annoying
advice I keep bringing upbrendan, but he's been like I
think brendan has also likehelped me a ton, just as like
hey, we're just good friends,which is cool, but like he's a
professional, so I get to likeask him questions about like hey

(01:11:24):
man, how do you reach out tosomeone Like like?

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
what is the?
Professional way to do this.
What did he say?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
That, that he, he's like he just do it.
Yeah, you just kind of do itand then you know and follow up.
Yeah, and do all the rightthings and have a good and all
that stuff and uh but, uh.
So.
But like writing, I always feellike in writing I'm like this
sounds horrible like this soundsso stupid.
So he's helped me with likereaching out.
But, um, he has also been likedude, just go to new york.

(01:11:50):
Oh good, it'll never be a goodtime, never be.
Just just go it'll be, likeit'll be fine.
He's like, yeah, the first yearis gonna really suck like.
He's like, oh well, likewhatever yeah, it will be, you,
you'll yeah, no brainer dude.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
All right, so?
So when I text you, jan one,yeah, yeah, you will not be here
.
I would like to hope, but we'llsee.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I mean no, the answer is yes, sorry, there you go,
you know and if you come home,let's just give me a call yeah,
I'll come back over here.
Yeah, yeah, you go home.
Yeah, yeah, you've got the back, yeah, right dig some fucking
clams right?
Yeah, I could always four daysand then head back.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Yeah, yeah, all right , man, this has been awesome.
Any um you can be found at.
Uh, your handle is at caseywatt w.
Oh, with an s yeah at caseywatts w-a-S.
Yeah, just without the O-N yeahcheck him out, Follow Casey.
He's on a fast trajectory bystand-up comedian standards, and

(01:12:49):
he's moving to New York at theend of the year, so you're going
to start seeing a lot more ofhim.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
I think I sure hope so.
Yeah, All right, man Thank you.

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