September 6, 2025 • 40 mins
Shuang Ming Chang shares her journey from thriving in luxury fashion retail to becoming an intuitive mentor after experiencing burnout, depression, and physical collapse. Her transformation reveals profound insights about redefining success and finding balance between achievement and self-care.
• Left a prestigious corporate career that was causing mysterious illnesses and burnout
• Experienced a physical "collapse" after leaving corporate, sleeping 16 hours daily for nearly a year
• Transitioned from being primarily logical to embracing intuition and emotions
• Now works as an intuitive mentor helping successful professionals create balance without sacrifice
• Views success as an "ecosystem" with oneself at the center
• Emphasizes that we don't have to choose between success and self-care
• Encourages people to stand in their truth even when others don't understand
Connect with Shuang Ming through the website linked in the episode description to learn more about her intuitive mentoring services.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, this is Still Roses podcast.
This podcast was created forwomen, by women, to elevate
women's voices.
I'm very excited to introduceyou to our guest this evening.
Today we have with us ShuangMing Chang.
For over a decade, shuang Mingthrived working in luxury
fashion retail, leading growthfor French and Italian brands
across China.
On the outside, her lifereflected success elite schools,
(00:23):
prestigious jobs and globalopportunities.
In parallel in her life journey, she wrestled with depression,
self-doubt and burnout.
This dual experience externalachievement and deep inner
discovery became the foundationof her mission to help others
redefine success, not byconventional standards, but
through, with and from love.
Shuang Min, welcome to thepodcast.
(00:45):
Thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello Jenny, hello everyone.
I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm very excited to have you.
Last time we chatted, we wentway over.
We were like two hours longwhile I was cooking.
It was a total casual chat thatjust kept going and I loved it.
Total, total casual chat thatjust kept going and I loved it.
Um, I would really love for youto introduce yourself to the
listeners today and share yourstory with them, um, because I I
(01:13):
think I gave just the tip ofthe iceberg there, so I would
love to hear more from you aboutyour story and your journey.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, so, um, on top of that introduction, i'm'm a Bo
Hengberg Taiwanese.
At the same time, I had aboutat least 15 years of experience
living abroad.
Apart from my professional life, I used to drink enthusiastic.
I surf, actually, I left mybest corporate job.
(01:38):
It's the intention to startsurfing again, becoming a surfer
.
I love to read, I love to ride.
Um, I pick up like party after,like I like with the plants.
Um, I used to be a superorganized, logical I'm still in,
but like use it used to be.
(01:58):
Like.
Logic is on the forefront ofeverything I do and right now,
intuition is at the forefront ofeverything I do and it's the
life has gave me a lot ofsurprises and transitions and
told me that there's nothingimpossible unless I think it's
impossible to be the person I amto the kind of person I am, or
to reinvent myself.
I think this okay, for now.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
No, no that was good that was good.
That was good.
No, so I want to go back alittle bit because, um, you've
lived like almost like two orthree lives, right, like, in my
opinion, you, you've done a lotof things and you really do have
this really great um, I almostwant to call it like a spiritual
powerfulness, because when wechatted originally so listeners,
(02:41):
you guys all know that I alwayspre-chat with everybody and
when and I chatted last time Iwas cooking and we were just
chatting and it flowed so well,the energy was aligned so nicely
.
When you, your journey has beena long one and I want to focus
in on when you made the decisionand I don't know if it was a
(03:02):
quick decision or if it wassomething that was over time you
had this corporate powerhousecareer.
You know, I know that when Iwas growing up, that was like
the goal I was told corporategoal.
You know you have to gocorporate and I'm interested in
hearing your feelings and yourexperience and what was going on
(03:25):
in your head when you werestarting to get to the point
where you knew that thecorporate direction really
wasn't feeding your soul.
Like, how did you?
That transition from corporatemindset to to what we talk about
now is vastly different.
So I am curious about like howdid, how did that come about for
you?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You.
You kind of jog one of mymemories I also grew up with.
You know like you had to find asuper good company and being
successful in that super goodcompany.
I knew there was like so likepeople who starting their
business, but to be honest, theywere just like really a vague
intellectual concept.
(04:05):
It was not really in my mindand during my time in a
corporate, like some friends whoare really close to me and
since I was a pro all the time,so I met my friends, maybe like
once a while.
Interestingly, awesome will askme when are you going to start
your own business?
Because everyone thought I am abusiness owner for my
(04:28):
personality and I would reply tothem no, I prefer working for
other people.
It's simple and easy.
I get my paycheck every monthright and how do I, you know,
like move on.
This answer to where I am now,it's just an into, I tune
intuitive how I felt.
My last corporate career, my own, only corporate career, was
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really fast-paced.
There are a lot of highpressure, just for, you know,
external striving.
Since it's in retail, itsbusiness, there's always high
target.
I work in fashion, so there arealso a lot of pressure um
perception on myself as well,even even I managed well, so I
didn't see that much in theindustry, but it was there.
(05:15):
And then you know, like when wewent to europe for for the
buying trip, it was like nonstop.
I could go 20 days withoutsleeping more than five hours or
four hours, and then we skippedmost meals and then just to get
that session done.
So it was at least four or fivetimes a year.
(05:37):
So it was kind of I alwaysregenerate for two months and a
half and then I max it out in 10, 20 days and regenerate and at
the same time when I climb theladder I need to, I need also
needed to travel more because Ivisit his store.
We did the training and and youknow when headquarter can visit
I'm, I'm in the untrace, youknow, because I I in charge
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departments.
All those things didn't.
In the whole planning ofso-called corporate there was no
concept of this employee is ahuman being, right?
This employee needs rest, orthis employee that didn't have,
by nature, order.
There's no possibility to keepgiving and not receiving.
(06:22):
I'm not just talking aboutsalary or respect or validation.
We need much more to strivethan that.
Yes, yes, and so at some pointI did that job from my early 20s
to 30s and then almostapproaching my mid-30s,
especially for women.
We can just instinctively sensethat the body is changing right,
(06:45):
no matter whether we are I'mnot married, I don't have
children, but like the body ischanging and also with the
pressure.
With the pressure and with thefast speed of you know, like
irregularity, especially travelin time zones.
It's irregular by beforealready.
Like that sense, especially Itrain the gym.
I'm very in tune with my body,so like I can sense the
(07:07):
difference and I can sense howmuch harder I need to push my
body.
Compared.
You know, in my early 20s andalso in later years, um, they
were experienced that my bodyjust suddenly got really sick,
like there was like no, but nodoctor could find a reason and
every time I was takingpainkiller, antibiotics, they
couldn't like.
(07:27):
They did all possible testslike blood tests, x-ray and and
whatever.
They just couldn't find areason and those medicine
actually made me feel worse thanmy symptoms.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
They but they needed to stop.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was really yeah yeah, they, they needed to stop
the pain, but then the rest,will you like, the side effect
will be in the rest.
So, like, at some point Ineeded to ask myself that I am
in life, we are always tradingtime and energy for something
that's just, you know, thefundamental exchange of life.
So at some point I had to askmyself that, in the trajectory
(08:03):
of more money and more title,more beautiful travels, of
course, like I travel inbusiness and then I have the
money to, you know like, plan myvery few vacations, but I still
have that capacity to do that,you know, like, how, how much
more I'm willing to train that,and I think it was something
that it's all felt but notnecessarily talked about is that
(08:27):
in that corporate setting I amalso trading part of my dreams
that doesn't belong to corporate, and I'm not saying that's
right or wrong, but we havepeople, I have.
We all have different lifestages and how we are waiting to
trade in for something for oneparticular thing or for a
particular couple of things isdifferent.
So I also need to considercarefully what I'm willing to
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trade in.
For example, I shared that Iwanted to surf and surfing is a
very particular sport, like ithas to be in a particular
location and it has to be donelike in a gym, every single day
or often enough.
And there's a lot of to learn.
You know, learn the weather,read the waves, read the wind.
If I'm not there, I justthey're just not happening.
(09:12):
So I also need to ask myselfthat how much more or how much
longer I'm willing to hold otherdreams in my life in Service of
this dream.
The corporate career, thatsuccess was my dream too.
But you know like I need tomove with the transition of my
life instead of telling my lifeno, like I'm super comfortable.
(09:35):
Now let's stick to it, becauseactually the body shows all
those sudden illness, so that'show I can sit.
I, I didn't, I didn't eventhink about I'm going to be an
entrepreneur.
There was too far into thefuture.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know, I, I like, I like how you talked about the
story, that part of your story,because what I heard and and
what came through loud and clearfor me and I want to say this
for the listeners, just in case,but I want to see if this
message came through but for me,listening to you, it sounded
very much to me like your soulwas basically telling you it was
(10:07):
not feeling well and because,because you were working to the
capacity that you were working,your soul was suffering because
you were not feeding that partof you and I.
I and without that balance,because there's I mean, there's
plenty of people that thrive incorporate, they love it, like
(10:28):
that really is something thatlike brings out the best in them
.
That that's all good too, youknow, and I want to be clear on
that too.
Like there's some people thatreally thrive on, like they love
it, and I know people like thisthat they just do so well with
it and it's great to see themshine like that.
But for those of us who think,like we have this other part of
us, that we need this creativity, that we need something to feed
(10:51):
our soul, to feed our spirit,yeah there's that finding that
balance and striking thatbalance.
I do find it interesting thatwithin this, at about the same
age that I was, when I wasmaking my transition from like
I'm all in corporate to like nowait, jenny, you need some
balance here.
It was about the same age thatyou went through.
So I'm very it's and I'm notsure.
(11:12):
And, as you're talking and Iwanted to get your opinion here,
I'm wondering and I know thatyou know, throughout our lives
our brains will go throughchanges, yeah, and I'm wondering
maybe that is a point likemaybe that is almost like a fork
in the road when we turn 35,where we start to see, like some
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other side of us that we'relike oh, there's this other part
here that we need toacknowledge and pay attention to
, because it sounded a littlebit like that while you were
talking.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I observed, because I believe that everything
happened in life for a reasonand I never thought that that
corporate choice was wrongbecause it gave me so much
experience up to this point.
But how I see I am at least Iam guided, so everyone can see
where there's a bit of resonancein it, how I see I'm guided, is
(12:07):
that we actually our brand onlyfully developed around like 21,
you know.
And uh, there was like and I'mnot talking about the, the, the
intangible capacity, I'm justtalking about the brand, you
know, the outfit and the head,yeah, but it's around like 21.
So, before 21, like all ourcapacity is just like, you know,
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learning how I work, how I usethis function of myself, and so
during that time and when it'sfully developed and going to
maturity needs some time.
So during this time I'm kind ofguided with, like very simple
tasks, so I call it it, you know, being a student, finding a job
(12:48):
, learning how to navigatesociety, you know, understand
the basic rules.
But once we reach a certainmaturity and we are able to, you
know, like, put all thistogether, I call it data
collecting.
So we started to understandwhat I enjoy, what I don't enjoy
, and we still have theremembers of our childhood.
(13:08):
The difference between thisadult life and with our
childhood and a lot of happeningor what we really enjoy in our
childhood is actually thefoundation of how we strive or
being alive.
It's just just when we grew upthat expression is different.
For example, I used to draw alot when I was a little girl.
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So that creativity has to bethere.
It may be a creativity into aproject I do at work, but that
element has to be there to makeme feel alive.
And, for example, I'm a hugelearner and introvert, so I
spend a lot of time, you know,like watching Discovery on my
own, reading books on my own.
They listen to, you know,stories of tapes, of foreign
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stories on my own.
So that big learning part isalso like what came me alive.
So when I, when I'm in acorporate, I need that part
which was hugely missing for me.
You know I it's just not.
It's not just about learningabout the profession, it's
learning about a lot of thingsso I can bring into the
profession.
Yeah, so like when we mature,we started to see the different
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or feel the difference, likewhat's missing or what is still
there and our mind or let's say,our spirit will start to
recalibrate.
You know, like to help us tounderstand a total picture of
what we experienced so far?
Of course, along the way, wehave emotions.
We'll sense something when wemature to 30, something, 35,
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it's kind of a point.
I had a conversation.
It's not like oh, I have to,now I'm 35, I need to do the
reflection, the reflection, thereflection would come no, it
just happens, yeah, yeah thereflection will come and it's up
to us, whether we are awareenough to it, to into that
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reflection.
Because I also know a lot ofpeople.
They they learn to ignore thatvoice.
So later on, when I work withsome clients, they came to me
actually very disconnected.
They are not sure what theywant.
They don't remember how theyfeel alive before.
Oh, you know all those.
So in the journey we arelearning to tune in or tune out,
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tune in and tune out, and andwhen we started tuning in, tune
out, tune out, we will masterthis two side at some point.
And then, but with our lifejourney and also our perceptions
and everything we learned likewe started to talk about healing
and trauma and so on, I learnedto tune in for some reason, you
know, and some people's journeyis tuning out, but at some
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point we were all given theopportunity to choose whether we
want to chew in or chew out, asyou said, like 30-something
approaching mid-30s, yes, andthen there will be one like 40
or mid-40s.
It will be another way If wedon't do it.
In the 30s, like 40 wasdefinitely come, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know it's interesting because it's almost
like.
You know, when I was growing up, I always thought of life
almost like oh, it's almost likea race to the finish, like, oh,
once I hit this age, likethat'll be, then I'll have it
all figured out.
And what I figured out is thatyou never actually have it all
figured out.
You just have to keep.
You don't actually at all ever.
(16:21):
I make sure my kids know likemommy is not perfect, like I
don't have it all figured out weneed.
It's like a constant learningcurve here and I want to circle
back because I want, I want youto talk about what you're
working on now and what you'redoing now.
So you decide you're you'regoing to depart from corporate.
(16:41):
So I think you took time off atthat point, right?
So just reevaluate and reigniteyourself.
You had to and honestly, I doactually think about it like a
reignite.
You had to reignite yourself,because figuring out what was
missing and where you're findingyour footing, that takes a long
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time, like you know.
It's not just like, oh, I'mgoing to sit in silence for a
couple of minutes and you know,an epiphany is coming my way.
Like it does take time and youdo have to be in tune with
yourself.
So I know you took the breakand then you decided you were
going to help others with whatyou've been through.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It doesn't come in that logical order.
Even now it sounds quitelogical how we would do.
It took me a while to go offthe treadmill of that corporate
mindset, like I had to keepdoing, keep planning and setting
a target and I needed to hit it.
It actually took me a while.
So when I left corporate, um,the first thing I deal with is
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financial security, because Iused to earn quite a lot and
then I don't have paycheck.
It's not that I didn't havesaving, but that that sense of
not having everything comingsteadily, it's very scary.
And then so that was the firstthing, that I didn't have
savings, but that that sense ofnot having everything coming
daily, it's very scary.
And then so that was the firstthing that I tend to, and the
way I tend to is that I need tocreate something.
I need I can make money.
So actually how?
Um, like, I am an intuitivementor and coach right now.
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So I've been.
I went through the depressionwhen I was 23.
So personal development,personal growth, self-mastery
has been there alongside with mycareer path.
So it was just quite naturallyespecially I like guiding my
teams that incorporate.
So it was quite naturally thatwhen I needed to find a way to
make money like this is kind ofdirection I would try.
(18:29):
So when I left corporatecorporate the intention was
actually to create somethingthat I can make money even I'm
not doing I am not, I didn'tpush myself to do something I
didn't like but that heavycorporate mindset, setting
target and make myself like umbeing validated outside, you
know, have a title again likecreative for myself and then
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have a certain earning to telleveryone if someone asked that
was there I actually burnedmyself out.
I was a bit burned out on andoff during the corporate, but it
was like I didn't have time toreflect.
But in the process of business,creation is really different
because I had all the time formyself.
So it's very easy to observehow I was different than before.
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So what I observed is thatfirst two years, whenever I set
a plan, I sabotage it by the wayof not waking up at the time I
planned or not doing the thing Iplanned, which was shocking to
myself because I was superdisciplined.
If you ask anyone who knows mefrom my 20s to my 30s, everyone
will tell you like John meanssuper disciplined, super
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organized and super efficient,and I was everything but those
three when I was at an initialstage, when I was trying to
create my business and it wasn'tthat I didn't want to be those,
I just couldn't.
You know, like my body and mymind just didn't want to work
with me anymore.
And so there was a time that,of course, I got panicked, first
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because what used to workdidn't work, and I used those
methods for more than twodecades in my life or even more
even longer when I was growingup Luckily, over time with
myself, you know, likeself-learning, self-growing and
learning to master my own innerself I knew there was something
coming for me.
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I just didn't understand and Iwas really panicked.
So I had a habit whenever I wasin big confusion I knew it was
time to set a big intention.
That was so clear, there was nodoubt.
So I set the intention of I amwilling to find out what's going
on here.
I knew it wasn't working.
I knew I was called forsomething that I didn't know.
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So I wanted to know.
So I kind of set the intentionand and quickly I was guided to
a sherman and which I didn'tknow she was, and then I started
, went into you know whole,those whole like things I didn't
believe.
You know the energy talking tospirit, and I went through the
session of working with theplants.
(20:59):
It was not psychedelic, it wasjust general plant extract
helped me to recalibrate myenergy and my body and also to
help me to work with my dreamsfor a year.
And that's how I was initiated,because when I met that Sherman
it was a friend's friend, shedidn't know me at all, but then,
after a couple of exchange inthe conversation.
She just told me you are born.
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You are born channeler,something like that, like in
Chinese, but like it was.
Like I was born super intuitiveand connected to whatever
invisible around me and it wassomething that makes so much
sense for me, you know, becausethere was evidences in my life,
but I didn't know how tointerpret that um, because
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nobody tell me about this partof humans.
So there was like it wasactually to nurture myself in a
way, to find a new way forward,because it always didn't work
and I was exhausted.
And that exhaustion is muchmore because I didn't have a
corporate to force me anymore, Iwas the one culture myself.
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I was the one forcing myselfand that was all happening
inside.
It was too much.
So that's how I decided.
So I took a pause in a way, notvoluntary at the beginning.
I just didn't know what didn'twork.
And then when the chairman toldme, like you actually max
yourself out, your body is likea 100 year old rundown house,
there's nothing to give anymore.
(22:23):
And and like you know, like itwas a shocking um realization
because I was highly functional,I was serving four hours a day
and doing all those calls,meetings and activities.
My body seems to function fine,at least even not according to
my schedule, but it wasfunctioning fine.
So it was like a shocking truth.
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Then, well, as I said, Ialready knew that I didn't know
what was coming.
And well, as I said, I alreadyknew that I didn't know what was
coming, so I sent a genuinefeedback from her.
So I listened to her, startednurturing my body.
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The interesting thing is thatwhen my body knew I was there
for it, it just crumbled.
I used to be training in a gymdoing all those crazy exercises.
I used to be training in a gymdoing all those crazy exercises.
It wasn't much more compared tohow people perceive the size of
me.
Suddenly, it became reallydifficult for me to walk up a
gentle slope.
I couldn't.
It just crumbled down.
(23:29):
And then I stayed 16 hours a day12 to 16 hours for almost a
year, like I can't do anythingother than sleeping, and then I
ate for five people per meal andI didn't get weight.
Oh, my goodness, it's a magicalpart.
You know, like how, howexhausting my body was.
It was a very incredible twoyears for me, like it was scary
(23:50):
because I needed to took, Ineeded to take a full pause
because my body knew that itdidn't need to force itself to
cooperate with my mind anymore.
It just crumbled and I scaleddown on surfing.
I still do, but I didn't likeforce myself, not force myself,
I just didn't like put myself inrigid schedule.
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You know like I really takecare of my body first.
Whenever I needed sleep, Isleep when needed.
Whenever I needed to go for ahot spring, I went for a hot
spring, like everything is.
You know, it used to be inservice of that career.
In those two years I was only inservice of this body and I
needed to.
I need to.
I needed to withdraw a lot ofcommitment, which was scary for
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me because I used to be the kindof personality of Sean Lee
always sees through Everything,goes through her hand, it's
going to be done.
But at that moment I was calledto practice.
I needed to withdraw mycommitment and the reason is
just myself, that it cannot bejustified and there was a lot to
learn.
I cut off a lot of myconnections.
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I just told them that I can'tnot be justified and there was a
lot to learn.
Like um, I cut off a lot of myconnections.
I just told them that I can'tlike um, I can't explain but
like anytime I I need towithdraw um.
So, like I, I basically for twoyears I talked to less than five
people.
You know it's coming from a bigcorporate.
It was always socializing,trying to make connections.
Yeah, even I was an introvert.
It was a really differentdynamic and that's how I took a
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break and I didn't take anyclients at all and at the same
time, the transition is realfrom a super logical mindset
person to it's all aboutemotions.
You know how do you feel today,because intuition is about
emotions.
You know how do you feel todayBecause intuition is about
emotions.
You know how we receivemessages.
Actually, the first layer isthrough emotions.
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And how do I feel?
Like there are moments I toldmy friend like F for emotions.
Can I like talking aboutnumbers now Working with Excel
sheet instead of am?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I going to E today.
I know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So it was like I had that and slowly I came out and
it took me also, um, a bit oftime to really interplay the old
part of me and the new part ofme, because I didn't know how to
stand in front of people whoused to know me, because I'm so
different.
I used to be show me what'syour plan.
It's like, oh, on Saturday,this and this, this and this,
(26:17):
this and this and this, and thenit became like show me, what
are you going to do tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I said, I will think about it tomorrow morning.
Wait a minute, I have to.
I got to ask.
You must have had people aroundyou being like, what are you
doing?
Like you're throwing everythingaway, Like there must have been
people in your life that werejust like totally shocked
(26:41):
Because that's a huge.
Like I haven't shifted quite asbit as much as that.
Like I still I still have mycorporate wall, I can still
maintain the podcast, but likethat's a huge jump.
I will say this, though I doknow that I'm mindful about
Because of the work that I do, Ihave to also be very logical
and very data-centric, and it'sall about the research and it's
(27:03):
all about the data.
So when I start to talk about,like intuition or, you know,
channeling your energy, Idefinitely feel the raised
eyebrows.
Like Jenny, really, what areyou talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, Um, I, yeah, I think first it's.
It's.
It's really uncomfortable whenpeople ask me like what's wrong
with you or what happened to you, you know, know, like when we
say what happened to usually isin in a like leaning to the
slightly negative side.
First I need, I had to learn.
(27:38):
I need to learn that I don'tneed to explain myself.
We all change in life and withdrastic lifestyle change, our
identity and how we expressourselves will change
drastically.
Before this, I mentioned I wentthrough a depression.
(28:00):
Before I recovered from mydepression, I was a super
cynical, always angry person.
That person that me is veryhard to imagine right now.
I used to get like suddenlyreally angry at them.
And I used to have like allkinds of negative view about the
world.
That was the first transition Imade.
So if you ask people who knewme in high school or in college
(28:23):
and now, or the one in corporate, it was just like weird.
And then, from corporate tothis, it's also weird.
I just need to embrace my ownweirdness and then I don't think
it's weird at all.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm sorry to interrupt.
I have to interrupt you becauseI don't think it's strange at
all.
I will.
In my early 20s, prior to 26, Iwould have these moments of
like intense rage over, likedumb, the dumbest thing, and I
and honestly, as you weretalking, I started reflecting
back and I remember I actuallyremember when I started
(29:01):
retraining myself to pull myselfout of being like that, because
I had just started to read andunderstand what it meant to like
be in tune with your emotionsand to be in tune with yourself,
and I had just started toscratch the surface really
lightly, and I knew, with thespiraling rage, what would end
(29:22):
up happening is something wouldtrigger me and then it would
send me down this freakingwormhole of just everything is
garbage, everything sucks thewhole day, everything's trash, I
hate this job, I hate this andthat and that, and it wasn't,
though.
It was just this, like onemoment, and so if I just learned
to retrain my brain, that tooka really long time for me to be
(29:46):
able to do that, and that wasthe.
I totally forgot until you justmentioned it.
That was the very first thingthat I learned and the very
first transition I did was whenI, from 25 to 26, I retrained my
brain to stop being so angry.
It was the craziest thing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And so this transition I also learned if I
don't have courage to expressthis new expression of myself, I
would never be around peoplewho will resonate, or people
around me they will.
They can never learn toresonate with me in a new way.
For example, just yesterday,last evening, my brother, he
(30:22):
came home, he will, he work in adifferent city.
So he came home this weekendand he decided last minute he
wanted to go to a movie becausethe anime Demon Slayer is on and
we are all like really crazyabout the anime.
And so we decided last minuteto go to the cinema, but it was
so popular we didn't knowwhether we can get the.
(30:45):
You know the position of theseats we want.
So I just say it out loud oh,universe, tomorrow, someday, we
are busy, so please let us get aticket tonight, like this
evening, and they will laughlike my dad will laugh.
My father will like not knowingwhat I'm talking about, but I
think you, saying it like sooften they started to.
You know, at least lend me, andsometimes I will do.
(31:09):
You know, we indeed gotta takeit.
So I will say see, the universeworks in a way.
I think human relations it'sabout mutual learning how, what
each other is, and if we don't,we don't know who we are and we
don't stand for who we are.
We will never find people whowill give us a space to be who
(31:30):
we are and it's a learning.
It's a learning process becauselet's not talk about like
intuition or logic.
Even when I'm transitioninginto from it hardware industry
that was my first job to fashionmy family went crazy because I
think hardware industry becauseit is a fake industry in Taiwan,
(31:50):
so IT hardware is kind of likecomprehensible especially what
the hell is that?
So they went crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Right, because they're going to look at you
like you have this great job.
Why are you going over hereLike this?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
is all you needed, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So I do have to agree with you in terms of like
between like humans in general,finding other souls that like
are on the same like energylevel as you.
I have found, and I'm actuallyI've been noticing it recently
there are three people totalthat I've met in the past three
(32:27):
years.
What is it 2025?
In the past four years, um,there are three people that I
met, that I met them and almostimmediately knew I was like Ooh,
this person has a good, goodvibrational energy Like I.
I want to maintain a friendshiphere and it's very, it's very
interesting.
You can actually feel it andyou can tell when people have
(32:49):
that good like, and I don't meanlike good or bad or it's a bad
person.
You can actually feel it andyou can tell when people have
that, and I don't mean like goodor bad, or it's a bad person or
a good person, I mean like.
You can just kind of feel thatenergy level yes, and one of
these people.
I was invited to a function forthem and I got to meet, like you
know, everyone in their circleand it was a shocking amount of
(33:10):
good people gathered in onesetting and you could see the
supportiveness amongst the groupand I don't think they probably
I don't even know that theyrealize what they have, because
I was observing from an outsideperspective and I was not
shocked, but I was, oh, I wasalmost excited to see this and
to actually be witnessing it inthis setting.
(33:32):
I was like this is such abeautiful thing and I'm not sure
if they all realize howbeautiful the symmetry is
between all of them.
It was just.
It was so impressive to see,because you don't get to see it
that much, and it was a largegroup of people and the symmetry
was there.
I do want to ask you so now youare mentoring folks and you are
coaching folks now, right, yeah,that's correct.
(33:53):
So you work with clientsindividually to help them, I
guess, regain their sense ofself.
Is that like?
I don't want to put words inyour mouth, but is that about
right?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, and also like at the process of regaining
their sense of self.
They don't feel.
Because a lot of a of time,when we are in transition, we
fall into that belief that weneed to give up everything.
That's, that's a story thesociety tell us.
If we want to change intosomething, we need to give up.
To scary, to scare our, toscare us out of thinking about
(34:22):
changing, which is the naturalpart of human nature.
So the way I I support myclients, it's well, most of them
, they are highly successfulcorporate executives.
So how to re-approach successwithout sacrificing what they
want at the same time?
Because it's not about choosingsuccess over self, choosing
(34:42):
money over self.
You know that's another dynamic.
So I'm supporting them tocreate this transition and also
to claim other parts of theirlife.
I call it the.
I call success is actually theecosystem, our life.
We are the center of ouruniverse, but in usually the
work or the children is ourcenter of universe, right?
(35:05):
So how do we reclaim thiscenter of universe and then
activate it actively, activelycreating our ecosystem?
How do we tend to that?
What's the balance in here?
What's in our ecosystem?
How do people they don't evenknow?
You know, there are the obvious, you know, if they're married
(35:26):
with children, so that's thefamily and probably original
family and their work.
But there are our bodies.
Yes, they may go to the gym andknow like some kind of good
nutrition or diet of food, butit's easy to buy into the, the
society, the trend of you.
Know I need to be thin, but ourbody is much more, but it's the
(35:49):
most comfortable shape of you.
I learned it like also in thegym.
You know, like I've never likethe model.
It's an ideal, but based on theideal my body actually wants.
You know, like there aredetails, like there are also our
emotions.
A lot of people tend to thefamily, the job trading in their
emotions, but it doesn't needto be so.
I mentor and guide my clientshow to recognize what's really
(36:14):
there in the sphere and how totend to them without feeling the
fear or without falling into.
I need to give up.
I need to sacrifice because I'mgoing for myself, so I need to
again.
They got more of my dream.
That was good.
I thank you for myself, so Ineed to again take more of my
dream.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That was good.
Thank you for that.
That was perfect.
I like how you explained that.
You know, I've never thought ofit like that, Like I'm the
center of the universe and likehow is my, how is my ecosystem
set up?
And I will say this over thepast like 15 or so years, I've
been really selective with howI'm cultivating that ecosystem.
Yeah, my husband, reallyselective with how I'm
cultivating that ecosystem.
(36:50):
Yeah, my husband, I'm verycareful.
I think I told you that when wewere having our chat.
We're really careful about likewho we invite into this, yeah,
to our home, and who we allowinto our energy field, because
we've had situations where we'vehad people over and you know,
you don't always know everyonereally well before they come
over yeah.
And we've had scenarios where,after, like, guests have left,
(37:12):
we're like, Ooh, we need to do acleansing or something.
It's very interesting.
So I I think that it's.
I love that you took somethingand you've taken your experience
and you've turned it intosomething that truly could
change someone else's life.
Like that's such a, it's such abeautiful thing that you're,
(37:34):
you're being basically like theenergy guide, like you're
helping guide them to be able tobe aware and actually fully
living their life and not justliving a shell of a life.
Yeah, that's such a wonderfulthing.
Shalmayne, do you want to leavethe listeners or the viewers
with any final thoughts oranything that you'd like them to
(37:54):
be aware of?
Oh, and you know what listeners?
I do have the website.
If you do want to work withShalmaine, I have it here linked
on the screen.
You can click on it live in thevideo for the viewers who are
watching via video and then forthe listeners for the podcast,
I'm going to link it into theepisode description so that you
can check her out there as well.
Do you have any final thoughtsyou want to share with the
listeners?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I want to share something actually I was talking
about in a conversationyesterday about self-mastery.
We are here to master ourselvesso we can create a world that
we can call heaven here on earth.
The term heaven on earth, itcame to me.
It's not an original thought ofme, it actually came to me
(38:36):
through my sphere again, thepeople in my sphere, the heaven.
We are here in this generationto create heaven on earth and to
create that.
I call it, you can call it.
Take into your highestpotential, you can call it, you
know, realize your biggestdreams, whatever, but we are
here to do that and do that.
To do that.
(38:56):
It's about mastering ourselves,like really know what is going
on inside so the resonance willripple out outside.
I think the rising, the tide isrising for everyone, for humans
to create from the soul, whichis love, instead of creating
from scarcity, which iscompetition and war, and we see
(39:18):
how that goes right now.
Yes, so to tune in yourself andset the intention to create
from peace and love, and thatwill bring you much more than
the current structure is tellingus.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
yes, I 100.
I agree.
Thank you for that.
That was perfectly said.
That was perfect, thank you.
Thank you, um.
Thank you for being on with metoday.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I really thank you for today time to talk with me.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
yeah, absolutely, listeners.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
Reach out to Shalmane.
She is available and I did linkthe website and I'll link it in
the description as well, so youguys can check her out.
We hope you have a greatevening and we will catch you on
the next one.
Take care.
Hello everybody, this is Still Roses podcast.
This podcast was created forwomen, by women, to elevate
women's voices.
I'm very excited to introduceyou to our guest this evening.
Today we have with us ShuangMing Chang.
For over a decade, shuang Mingthrived working in luxury
fashion retail, leading growthfor French and Italian brands
across China.
On the outside, her lifereflected success elite schools,
(00:23):
prestigious jobs and globalopportunities.
In parallel in her life journey, she wrestled with depression,
self-doubt and burnout.
This dual experience externalachievement and deep inner
discovery became the foundationof her mission to help others
redefine success, not byconventional standards, but
through, with and from love.
Shuang Min, welcome to thepodcast.
(00:45):
Thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello Jenny, hello everyone.
I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm very excited to have you.
Last time we chatted, we wentway over.
We were like two hours longwhile I was cooking.
It was a total casual chat thatjust kept going and I loved it.
Total, total casual chat thatjust kept going and I loved it.
Um, I would really love for youto introduce yourself to the
listeners today and share yourstory with them, um, because I I
(01:13):
think I gave just the tip ofthe iceberg there, so I would
love to hear more from you aboutyour story and your journey.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, so, um, on top of that introduction, i'm'm a Bo
Hengberg Taiwanese.
At the same time, I had aboutat least 15 years of experience
living abroad.
Apart from my professional life, I used to drink enthusiastic.
I surf, actually, I left mybest corporate job.
(01:38):
It's the intention to startsurfing again, becoming a surfer
.
I love to read, I love to ride.
Um, I pick up like party after,like I like with the plants.
Um, I used to be a superorganized, logical I'm still in,
but like use it used to be.
(01:58):
Like.
Logic is on the forefront ofeverything I do and right now,
intuition is at the forefront ofeverything I do and it's the
life has gave me a lot ofsurprises and transitions and
told me that there's nothingimpossible unless I think it's
impossible to be the person I amto the kind of person I am, or
to reinvent myself.
I think this okay, for now.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
No, no that was good that was good.
That was good.
No, so I want to go back alittle bit because, um, you've
lived like almost like two orthree lives, right, like, in my
opinion, you, you've done a lotof things and you really do have
this really great um, I almostwant to call it like a spiritual
powerfulness, because when wechatted originally so listeners,
(02:41):
you guys all know that I alwayspre-chat with everybody and
when and I chatted last time Iwas cooking and we were just
chatting and it flowed so well,the energy was aligned so nicely
.
When you, your journey has beena long one and I want to focus
in on when you made the decisionand I don't know if it was a
(03:02):
quick decision or if it wassomething that was over time you
had this corporate powerhousecareer.
You know, I know that when Iwas growing up, that was like
the goal I was told corporategoal.
You know you have to gocorporate and I'm interested in
hearing your feelings and yourexperience and what was going on
(03:25):
in your head when you werestarting to get to the point
where you knew that thecorporate direction really
wasn't feeding your soul.
Like, how did you?
That transition from corporatemindset to to what we talk about
now is vastly different.
So I am curious about like howdid, how did that come about for
you?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You.
You kind of jog one of mymemories I also grew up with.
You know like you had to find asuper good company and being
successful in that super goodcompany.
I knew there was like so likepeople who starting their
business, but to be honest, theywere just like really a vague
intellectual concept.
(04:05):
It was not really in my mindand during my time in a
corporate, like some friends whoare really close to me and
since I was a pro all the time,so I met my friends, maybe like
once a while.
Interestingly, awesome will askme when are you going to start
your own business?
Because everyone thought I am abusiness owner for my
(04:28):
personality and I would reply tothem no, I prefer working for
other people.
It's simple and easy.
I get my paycheck every monthright and how do I, you know,
like move on.
This answer to where I am now,it's just an into, I tune
intuitive how I felt.
My last corporate career, my own, only corporate career, was
(04:51):
really fast-paced.
There are a lot of highpressure, just for, you know,
external striving.
Since it's in retail, itsbusiness, there's always high
target.
I work in fashion, so there arealso a lot of pressure um
perception on myself as well,even even I managed well, so I
didn't see that much in theindustry, but it was there.
(05:15):
And then you know, like when wewent to europe for for the
buying trip, it was like nonstop.
I could go 20 days withoutsleeping more than five hours or
four hours, and then we skippedmost meals and then just to get
that session done.
So it was at least four or fivetimes a year.
(05:37):
So it was kind of I alwaysregenerate for two months and a
half and then I max it out in 10, 20 days and regenerate and at
the same time when I climb theladder I need to, I need also
needed to travel more because Ivisit his store.
We did the training and and youknow when headquarter can visit
I'm, I'm in the untrace, youknow, because I I in charge
(05:59):
departments.
All those things didn't.
In the whole planning ofso-called corporate there was no
concept of this employee is ahuman being, right?
This employee needs rest, orthis employee that didn't have,
by nature, order.
There's no possibility to keepgiving and not receiving.
(06:22):
I'm not just talking aboutsalary or respect or validation.
We need much more to strivethan that.
Yes, yes, and so at some pointI did that job from my early 20s
to 30s and then almostapproaching my mid-30s,
especially for women.
We can just instinctively sensethat the body is changing right,
(06:45):
no matter whether we are I'mnot married, I don't have
children, but like the body ischanging and also with the
pressure.
With the pressure and with thefast speed of you know, like
irregularity, especially travelin time zones.
It's irregular by beforealready.
Like that sense, especially Itrain the gym.
I'm very in tune with my body,so like I can sense the
(07:07):
difference and I can sense howmuch harder I need to push my
body.
Compared.
You know, in my early 20s andalso in later years, um, they
were experienced that my bodyjust suddenly got really sick,
like there was like no, but nodoctor could find a reason and
every time I was takingpainkiller, antibiotics, they
couldn't like.
(07:27):
They did all possible testslike blood tests, x-ray and and
whatever.
They just couldn't find areason and those medicine
actually made me feel worse thanmy symptoms.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
They but they needed to stop.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was really yeah yeah, they, they needed to stop
the pain, but then the rest,will you like, the side effect
will be in the rest.
So, like, at some point Ineeded to ask myself that I am
in life, we are always tradingtime and energy for something
that's just, you know, thefundamental exchange of life.
So at some point I had to askmyself that, in the trajectory
(08:03):
of more money and more title,more beautiful travels, of
course, like I travel inbusiness and then I have the
money to, you know like, plan myvery few vacations, but I still
have that capacity to do that,you know, like, how, how much
more I'm willing to train that,and I think it was something
that it's all felt but notnecessarily talked about is that
(08:27):
in that corporate setting I amalso trading part of my dreams
that doesn't belong to corporate, and I'm not saying that's
right or wrong, but we havepeople, I have.
We all have different lifestages and how we are waiting to
trade in for something for oneparticular thing or for a
particular couple of things isdifferent.
So I also need to considercarefully what I'm willing to
(08:52):
trade in.
For example, I shared that Iwanted to surf and surfing is a
very particular sport, like ithas to be in a particular
location and it has to be donelike in a gym, every single day
or often enough.
And there's a lot of to learn.
You know, learn the weather,read the waves, read the wind.
If I'm not there, I justthey're just not happening.
(09:12):
So I also need to ask myselfthat how much more or how much
longer I'm willing to hold otherdreams in my life in Service of
this dream.
The corporate career, thatsuccess was my dream too.
But you know like I need tomove with the transition of my
life instead of telling my lifeno, like I'm super comfortable.
(09:35):
Now let's stick to it, becauseactually the body shows all
those sudden illness, so that'show I can sit.
I, I didn't, I didn't eventhink about I'm going to be an
entrepreneur.
There was too far into thefuture.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know, I, I like, I like how you talked about the
story, that part of your story,because what I heard and and
what came through loud and clearfor me and I want to say this
for the listeners, just in case,but I want to see if this
message came through but for me,listening to you, it sounded
very much to me like your soulwas basically telling you it was
(10:07):
not feeling well and because,because you were working to the
capacity that you were working,your soul was suffering because
you were not feeding that partof you and I.
I and without that balance,because there's I mean, there's
plenty of people that thrive incorporate, they love it, like
(10:28):
that really is something thatlike brings out the best in them
.
That that's all good too, youknow, and I want to be clear on
that too.
Like there's some people thatreally thrive on, like they love
it, and I know people like thisthat they just do so well with
it and it's great to see themshine like that.
But for those of us who think,like we have this other part of
us, that we need this creativity, that we need something to feed
(10:51):
our soul, to feed our spirit,yeah there's that finding that
balance and striking thatbalance.
I do find it interesting thatwithin this, at about the same
age that I was, when I wasmaking my transition from like
I'm all in corporate to like nowait, jenny, you need some
balance here.
It was about the same age thatyou went through.
So I'm very it's and I'm notsure.
(11:12):
And, as you're talking and Iwanted to get your opinion here,
I'm wondering and I know thatyou know, throughout our lives
our brains will go throughchanges, yeah, and I'm wondering
maybe that is a point likemaybe that is almost like a fork
in the road when we turn 35,where we start to see, like some
(11:34):
other side of us that we'relike oh, there's this other part
here that we need toacknowledge and pay attention to
, because it sounded a littlebit like that while you were
talking.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I observed, because I believe that everything
happened in life for a reasonand I never thought that that
corporate choice was wrongbecause it gave me so much
experience up to this point.
But how I see I am at least Iam guided, so everyone can see
where there's a bit of resonancein it, how I see I'm guided, is
(12:07):
that we actually our brand onlyfully developed around like 21,
you know.
And uh, there was like and I'mnot talking about the, the, the
intangible capacity, I'm justtalking about the brand, you
know, the outfit and the head,yeah, but it's around like 21.
So, before 21, like all ourcapacity is just like, you know,
(12:27):
learning how I work, how I usethis function of myself, and so
during that time and when it'sfully developed and going to
maturity needs some time.
So during this time I'm kind ofguided with, like very simple
tasks, so I call it it, you know, being a student, finding a job
(12:48):
, learning how to navigatesociety, you know, understand
the basic rules.
But once we reach a certainmaturity and we are able to, you
know, like, put all thistogether, I call it data
collecting.
So we started to understandwhat I enjoy, what I don't enjoy
, and we still have theremembers of our childhood.
(13:08):
The difference between thisadult life and with our
childhood and a lot of happeningor what we really enjoy in our
childhood is actually thefoundation of how we strive or
being alive.
It's just just when we grew upthat expression is different.
For example, I used to draw alot when I was a little girl.
(13:28):
So that creativity has to bethere.
It may be a creativity into aproject I do at work, but that
element has to be there to makeme feel alive.
And, for example, I'm a hugelearner and introvert, so I
spend a lot of time, you know,like watching Discovery on my
own, reading books on my own.
They listen to, you know,stories of tapes, of foreign
(13:50):
stories on my own.
So that big learning part isalso like what came me alive.
So when I, when I'm in acorporate, I need that part
which was hugely missing for me.
You know I it's just not.
It's not just about learningabout the profession, it's
learning about a lot of thingsso I can bring into the
profession.
Yeah, so like when we mature,we started to see the different
(14:12):
or feel the difference, likewhat's missing or what is still
there and our mind or let's say,our spirit will start to
recalibrate.
You know, like to help us tounderstand a total picture of
what we experienced so far?
Of course, along the way, wehave emotions.
We'll sense something when wemature to 30, something, 35,
(14:33):
it's kind of a point.
I had a conversation.
It's not like oh, I have to,now I'm 35, I need to do the
reflection, the reflection, thereflection would come no, it
just happens, yeah, yeah thereflection will come and it's up
to us, whether we are awareenough to it, to into that
(14:54):
reflection.
Because I also know a lot ofpeople.
They they learn to ignore thatvoice.
So later on, when I work withsome clients, they came to me
actually very disconnected.
They are not sure what theywant.
They don't remember how theyfeel alive before.
Oh, you know all those.
So in the journey we arelearning to tune in or tune out,
(15:18):
tune in and tune out, and andwhen we started tuning in, tune
out, tune out, we will masterthis two side at some point.
And then, but with our lifejourney and also our perceptions
and everything we learned likewe started to talk about healing
and trauma and so on, I learnedto tune in for some reason, you
know, and some people's journeyis tuning out, but at some
(15:40):
point we were all given theopportunity to choose whether we
want to chew in or chew out, asyou said, like 30-something
approaching mid-30s, yes, andthen there will be one like 40
or mid-40s.
It will be another way If wedon't do it.
In the 30s, like 40 wasdefinitely come, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know it's interesting because it's almost
like.
You know, when I was growing up, I always thought of life
almost like oh, it's almost likea race to the finish, like, oh,
once I hit this age, likethat'll be, then I'll have it
all figured out.
And what I figured out is thatyou never actually have it all
figured out.
You just have to keep.
You don't actually at all ever.
(16:21):
I make sure my kids know likemommy is not perfect, like I
don't have it all figured out weneed.
It's like a constant learningcurve here and I want to circle
back because I want, I want youto talk about what you're
working on now and what you'redoing now.
So you decide you're you'regoing to depart from corporate.
(16:41):
So I think you took time off atthat point, right?
So just reevaluate and reigniteyourself.
You had to and honestly, I doactually think about it like a
reignite.
You had to reignite yourself,because figuring out what was
missing and where you're findingyour footing, that takes a long
(17:04):
time, like you know.
It's not just like, oh, I'mgoing to sit in silence for a
couple of minutes and you know,an epiphany is coming my way.
Like it does take time and youdo have to be in tune with
yourself.
So I know you took the breakand then you decided you were
going to help others with whatyou've been through.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It doesn't come in that logical order.
Even now it sounds quitelogical how we would do.
It took me a while to go offthe treadmill of that corporate
mindset, like I had to keepdoing, keep planning and setting
a target and I needed to hit it.
It actually took me a while.
So when I left corporate, um,the first thing I deal with is
(17:43):
financial security, because Iused to earn quite a lot and
then I don't have paycheck.
It's not that I didn't havesaving, but that that sense of
not having everything comingsteadily, it's very scary.
And then so that was the firstthing, that I didn't have
savings, but that that sense ofnot having everything coming
daily, it's very scary.
And then so that was the firstthing that I tend to, and the
way I tend to is that I need tocreate something.
I need I can make money.
So actually how?
Um, like, I am an intuitivementor and coach right now.
(18:07):
So I've been.
I went through the depressionwhen I was 23.
So personal development,personal growth, self-mastery
has been there alongside with mycareer path.
So it was just quite naturallyespecially I like guiding my
teams that incorporate.
So it was quite naturally thatwhen I needed to find a way to
make money like this is kind ofdirection I would try.
(18:29):
So when I left corporatecorporate the intention was
actually to create somethingthat I can make money even I'm
not doing I am not, I didn'tpush myself to do something I
didn't like but that heavycorporate mindset, setting
target and make myself like umbeing validated outside, you
know, have a title again likecreative for myself and then
(18:51):
have a certain earning to telleveryone if someone asked that
was there I actually burnedmyself out.
I was a bit burned out on andoff during the corporate, but it
was like I didn't have time toreflect.
But in the process of business,creation is really different
because I had all the time formyself.
So it's very easy to observehow I was different than before.
(19:14):
So what I observed is thatfirst two years, whenever I set
a plan, I sabotage it by the wayof not waking up at the time I
planned or not doing the thing Iplanned, which was shocking to
myself because I was superdisciplined.
If you ask anyone who knows mefrom my 20s to my 30s, everyone
will tell you like John meanssuper disciplined, super
(19:36):
organized and super efficient,and I was everything but those
three when I was at an initialstage, when I was trying to
create my business and it wasn'tthat I didn't want to be those,
I just couldn't.
You know, like my body and mymind just didn't want to work
with me anymore.
And so there was a time that,of course, I got panicked, first
(19:56):
because what used to workdidn't work, and I used those
methods for more than twodecades in my life or even more
even longer when I was growingup Luckily, over time with
myself, you know, likeself-learning, self-growing and
learning to master my own innerself I knew there was something
coming for me.
(20:17):
I just didn't understand and Iwas really panicked.
So I had a habit whenever I wasin big confusion I knew it was
time to set a big intention.
That was so clear, there was nodoubt.
So I set the intention of I amwilling to find out what's going
on here.
I knew it wasn't working.
I knew I was called forsomething that I didn't know.
(20:38):
So I wanted to know.
So I kind of set the intentionand and quickly I was guided to
a sherman and which I didn'tknow she was, and then I started
, went into you know whole,those whole like things I didn't
believe.
You know the energy talking tospirit, and I went through the
session of working with theplants.
(20:59):
It was not psychedelic, it wasjust general plant extract
helped me to recalibrate myenergy and my body and also to
help me to work with my dreamsfor a year.
And that's how I was initiated,because when I met that Sherman
it was a friend's friend, shedidn't know me at all, but then,
after a couple of exchange inthe conversation.
She just told me you are born.
(21:22):
You are born channeler,something like that, like in
Chinese, but like it was.
Like I was born super intuitiveand connected to whatever
invisible around me and it wassomething that makes so much
sense for me, you know, becausethere was evidences in my life,
but I didn't know how tointerpret that um, because
(21:42):
nobody tell me about this partof humans.
So there was like it wasactually to nurture myself in a
way, to find a new way forward,because it always didn't work
and I was exhausted.
And that exhaustion is muchmore because I didn't have a
corporate to force me anymore, Iwas the one culture myself.
(22:03):
I was the one forcing myselfand that was all happening
inside.
It was too much.
So that's how I decided.
So I took a pause in a way, notvoluntary at the beginning.
I just didn't know what didn'twork.
And then when the chairman toldme, like you actually max
yourself out, your body is likea 100 year old rundown house,
there's nothing to give anymore.
(22:23):
And and like you know, like itwas a shocking um realization
because I was highly functional,I was serving four hours a day
and doing all those calls,meetings and activities.
My body seems to function fine,at least even not according to
my schedule, but it wasfunctioning fine.
So it was like a shocking truth.
(22:45):
Then, well, as I said, Ialready knew that I didn't know
what was coming.
And well, as I said, I alreadyknew that I didn't know what was
coming, so I sent a genuinefeedback from her.
So I listened to her, startednurturing my body.
(23:08):
The interesting thing is thatwhen my body knew I was there
for it, it just crumbled.
I used to be training in a gymdoing all those crazy exercises.
I used to be training in a gymdoing all those crazy exercises.
It wasn't much more compared tohow people perceive the size of
me.
Suddenly, it became reallydifficult for me to walk up a
gentle slope.
I couldn't.
It just crumbled down.
(23:29):
And then I stayed 16 hours a day12 to 16 hours for almost a
year, like I can't do anythingother than sleeping, and then I
ate for five people per meal andI didn't get weight.
Oh, my goodness, it's a magicalpart.
You know, like how, howexhausting my body was.
It was a very incredible twoyears for me, like it was scary
(23:50):
because I needed to took, Ineeded to take a full pause
because my body knew that itdidn't need to force itself to
cooperate with my mind anymore.
It just crumbled and I scaleddown on surfing.
I still do, but I didn't likeforce myself, not force myself,
I just didn't like put myself inrigid schedule.
(24:10):
You know like I really takecare of my body first.
Whenever I needed sleep, Isleep when needed.
Whenever I needed to go for ahot spring, I went for a hot
spring, like everything is.
You know, it used to be inservice of that career.
In those two years I was only inservice of this body and I
needed to.
I need to.
I needed to withdraw a lot ofcommitment, which was scary for
(24:32):
me because I used to be the kindof personality of Sean Lee
always sees through Everything,goes through her hand, it's
going to be done.
But at that moment I was calledto practice.
I needed to withdraw mycommitment and the reason is
just myself, that it cannot bejustified and there was a lot to
learn.
I cut off a lot of myconnections.
(24:53):
I just told them that I can'tnot be justified and there was a
lot to learn.
Like um, I cut off a lot of myconnections.
I just told them that I can'tlike um, I can't explain but
like anytime I I need towithdraw um.
So, like I, I basically for twoyears I talked to less than five
people.
You know it's coming from a bigcorporate.
It was always socializing,trying to make connections.
Yeah, even I was an introvert.
It was a really differentdynamic and that's how I took a
(25:16):
break and I didn't take anyclients at all and at the same
time, the transition is realfrom a super logical mindset
person to it's all aboutemotions.
You know how do you feel today,because intuition is about
emotions.
You know how do you feel todayBecause intuition is about
emotions.
You know how we receivemessages.
Actually, the first layer isthrough emotions.
(25:38):
And how do I feel?
Like there are moments I toldmy friend like F for emotions.
Can I like talking aboutnumbers now Working with Excel
sheet instead of am?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I going to E today.
I know.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So it was like I had that and slowly I came out and
it took me also, um, a bit oftime to really interplay the old
part of me and the new part ofme, because I didn't know how to
stand in front of people whoused to know me, because I'm so
different.
I used to be show me what'syour plan.
It's like, oh, on Saturday,this and this, this and this,
(26:17):
this and this and this, and thenit became like show me, what
are you going to do tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I said, I will think about it tomorrow morning.
Wait a minute, I have to.
I got to ask.
You must have had people aroundyou being like, what are you
doing?
Like you're throwing everythingaway, Like there must have been
people in your life that werejust like totally shocked
(26:41):
Because that's a huge.
Like I haven't shifted quite asbit as much as that.
Like I still I still have mycorporate wall, I can still
maintain the podcast, but likethat's a huge jump.
I will say this, though I doknow that I'm mindful about
Because of the work that I do, Ihave to also be very logical
and very data-centric, and it'sall about the research and it's
(27:03):
all about the data.
So when I start to talk about,like intuition or, you know,
channeling your energy, Idefinitely feel the raised
eyebrows.
Like Jenny, really, what areyou talking about?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, Um, I, yeah, I think first it's.
It's.
It's really uncomfortable whenpeople ask me like what's wrong
with you or what happened to you, you know, know, like when we
say what happened to usually isin in a like leaning to the
slightly negative side.
First I need, I had to learn.
(27:38):
I need to learn that I don'tneed to explain myself.
We all change in life and withdrastic lifestyle change, our
identity and how we expressourselves will change
drastically.
Before this, I mentioned I wentthrough a depression.
(28:00):
Before I recovered from mydepression, I was a super
cynical, always angry person.
That person that me is veryhard to imagine right now.
I used to get like suddenlyreally angry at them.
And I used to have like allkinds of negative view about the
world.
That was the first transition Imade.
So if you ask people who knewme in high school or in college
(28:23):
and now, or the one in corporate, it was just like weird.
And then, from corporate tothis, it's also weird.
I just need to embrace my ownweirdness and then I don't think
it's weird at all.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm sorry to interrupt.
I have to interrupt you becauseI don't think it's strange at
all.
I will.
In my early 20s, prior to 26, Iwould have these moments of
like intense rage over, likedumb, the dumbest thing, and I
and honestly, as you weretalking, I started reflecting
back and I remember I actuallyremember when I started
(29:01):
retraining myself to pull myselfout of being like that, because
I had just started to read andunderstand what it meant to like
be in tune with your emotionsand to be in tune with yourself,
and I had just started toscratch the surface really
lightly, and I knew, with thespiraling rage, what would end
(29:22):
up happening is something wouldtrigger me and then it would
send me down this freakingwormhole of just everything is
garbage, everything sucks thewhole day, everything's trash, I
hate this job, I hate this andthat and that, and it wasn't,
though.
It was just this, like onemoment, and so if I just learned
to retrain my brain, that tooka really long time for me to be
(29:46):
able to do that, and that wasthe.
I totally forgot until you justmentioned it.
That was the very first thingthat I learned and the very
first transition I did was whenI, from 25 to 26, I retrained my
brain to stop being so angry.
It was the craziest thing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And so this transition I also learned if I
don't have courage to expressthis new expression of myself, I
would never be around peoplewho will resonate, or people
around me they will.
They can never learn toresonate with me in a new way.
For example, just yesterday,last evening, my brother, he
(30:22):
came home, he will, he work in adifferent city.
So he came home this weekendand he decided last minute he
wanted to go to a movie becausethe anime Demon Slayer is on and
we are all like really crazyabout the anime.
And so we decided last minuteto go to the cinema, but it was
so popular we didn't knowwhether we can get the.
(30:45):
You know the position of theseats we want.
So I just say it out loud oh,universe, tomorrow, someday, we
are busy, so please let us get aticket tonight, like this
evening, and they will laughlike my dad will laugh.
My father will like not knowingwhat I'm talking about, but I
think you, saying it like sooften they started to.
You know, at least lend me, andsometimes I will do.
(31:09):
You know, we indeed gotta takeit.
So I will say see, the universeworks in a way.
I think human relations it'sabout mutual learning how, what
each other is, and if we don't,we don't know who we are and we
don't stand for who we are.
We will never find people whowill give us a space to be who
(31:30):
we are and it's a learning.
It's a learning process becauselet's not talk about like
intuition or logic.
Even when I'm transitioninginto from it hardware industry
that was my first job to fashionmy family went crazy because I
think hardware industry becauseit is a fake industry in Taiwan,
(31:50):
so IT hardware is kind of likecomprehensible especially what
the hell is that?
So they went crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Right, because they're going to look at you
like you have this great job.
Why are you going over hereLike this?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
is all you needed, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So I do have to agree with you in terms of like
between like humans in general,finding other souls that like
are on the same like energylevel as you.
I have found, and I'm actuallyI've been noticing it recently
there are three people totalthat I've met in the past three
(32:27):
years.
What is it 2025?
In the past four years, um,there are three people that I
met, that I met them and almostimmediately knew I was like Ooh,
this person has a good, goodvibrational energy Like I.
I want to maintain a friendshiphere and it's very, it's very
interesting.
You can actually feel it andyou can tell when people have
(32:49):
that good like, and I don't meanlike good or bad or it's a bad
person.
You can actually feel it andyou can tell when people have
that, and I don't mean like goodor bad, or it's a bad person or
a good person, I mean like.
You can just kind of feel thatenergy level yes, and one of
these people.
I was invited to a function forthem and I got to meet, like you
know, everyone in their circleand it was a shocking amount of
(33:10):
good people gathered in onesetting and you could see the
supportiveness amongst the groupand I don't think they probably
I don't even know that theyrealize what they have, because
I was observing from an outsideperspective and I was not
shocked, but I was, oh, I wasalmost excited to see this and
to actually be witnessing it inthis setting.
(33:32):
I was like this is such abeautiful thing and I'm not sure
if they all realize howbeautiful the symmetry is
between all of them.
It was just.
It was so impressive to see,because you don't get to see it
that much, and it was a largegroup of people and the symmetry
was there.
I do want to ask you so now youare mentoring folks and you are
coaching folks now, right, yeah,that's correct.
(33:53):
So you work with clientsindividually to help them, I
guess, regain their sense ofself.
Is that like?
I don't want to put words inyour mouth, but is that about
right?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, and also like at the process of regaining
their sense of self.
They don't feel.
Because a lot of a of time,when we are in transition, we
fall into that belief that weneed to give up everything.
That's, that's a story thesociety tell us.
If we want to change intosomething, we need to give up.
To scary, to scare our, toscare us out of thinking about
(34:22):
changing, which is the naturalpart of human nature.
So the way I I support myclients, it's well, most of them
, they are highly successfulcorporate executives.
So how to re-approach successwithout sacrificing what they
want at the same time?
Because it's not about choosingsuccess over self, choosing
(34:42):
money over self.
You know that's another dynamic.
So I'm supporting them tocreate this transition and also
to claim other parts of theirlife.
I call it the.
I call success is actually theecosystem, our life.
We are the center of ouruniverse, but in usually the
work or the children is ourcenter of universe, right?
(35:05):
So how do we reclaim thiscenter of universe and then
activate it actively, activelycreating our ecosystem?
How do we tend to that?
What's the balance in here?
What's in our ecosystem?
How do people they don't evenknow?
You know, there are the obvious, you know, if they're married
(35:26):
with children, so that's thefamily and probably original
family and their work.
But there are our bodies.
Yes, they may go to the gym andknow like some kind of good
nutrition or diet of food, butit's easy to buy into the, the
society, the trend of you.
Know I need to be thin, but ourbody is much more, but it's the
(35:49):
most comfortable shape of you.
I learned it like also in thegym.
You know, like I've never likethe model.
It's an ideal, but based on theideal my body actually wants.
You know, like there aredetails, like there are also our
emotions.
A lot of people tend to thefamily, the job trading in their
emotions, but it doesn't needto be so.
I mentor and guide my clientshow to recognize what's really
(36:14):
there in the sphere and how totend to them without feeling the
fear or without falling into.
I need to give up.
I need to sacrifice because I'mgoing for myself, so I need to
again.
They got more of my dream.
That was good.
I thank you for myself, so Ineed to again take more of my
dream.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That was good.
Thank you for that.
That was perfect.
I like how you explained that.
You know, I've never thought ofit like that, Like I'm the
center of the universe and likehow is my, how is my ecosystem
set up?
And I will say this over thepast like 15 or so years, I've
been really selective with howI'm cultivating that ecosystem.
Yeah, my husband, reallyselective with how I'm
cultivating that ecosystem.
(36:50):
Yeah, my husband, I'm verycareful.
I think I told you that when wewere having our chat.
We're really careful about likewho we invite into this, yeah,
to our home, and who we allowinto our energy field, because
we've had situations where we'vehad people over and you know,
you don't always know everyonereally well before they come
over yeah.
And we've had scenarios where,after, like, guests have left,
(37:12):
we're like, Ooh, we need to do acleansing or something.
It's very interesting.
So I I think that it's.
I love that you took somethingand you've taken your experience
and you've turned it intosomething that truly could
change someone else's life.
Like that's such a, it's such abeautiful thing that you're,
(37:34):
you're being basically like theenergy guide, like you're
helping guide them to be able tobe aware and actually fully
living their life and not justliving a shell of a life.
Yeah, that's such a wonderfulthing.
Shalmayne, do you want to leavethe listeners or the viewers
with any final thoughts oranything that you'd like them to
(37:54):
be aware of?
Oh, and you know what listeners?
I do have the website.
If you do want to work withShalmaine, I have it here linked
on the screen.
You can click on it live in thevideo for the viewers who are
watching via video and then forthe listeners for the podcast,
I'm going to link it into theepisode description so that you
can check her out there as well.
Do you have any final thoughtsyou want to share with the
listeners?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I want to share something actually I was talking
about in a conversationyesterday about self-mastery.
We are here to master ourselvesso we can create a world that
we can call heaven here on earth.
The term heaven on earth, itcame to me.
It's not an original thought ofme, it actually came to me
(38:36):
through my sphere again, thepeople in my sphere, the heaven.
We are here in this generationto create heaven on earth and to
create that.
I call it, you can call it.
Take into your highestpotential, you can call it, you
know, realize your biggestdreams, whatever, but we are
here to do that and do that.
To do that.
(38:56):
It's about mastering ourselves,like really know what is going
on inside so the resonance willripple out outside.
I think the rising, the tide isrising for everyone, for humans
to create from the soul, whichis love, instead of creating
from scarcity, which iscompetition and war, and we see
(39:18):
how that goes right now.
Yes, so to tune in yourself andset the intention to create
from peace and love, and thatwill bring you much more than
the current structure is tellingus.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
yes, I 100.
I agree.
Thank you for that.
That was perfectly said.
That was perfect, thank you.
Thank you, um.
Thank you for being on with metoday.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
I really thank you for today time to talk with me.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
yeah, absolutely, listeners.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
Reach out to Shalmane.
She is available and I did linkthe website and I'll link it in
the description as well, so youguys can check her out.
We hope you have a greatevening and we will catch you on
the next one.
Take care.
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