September 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Lynn Harris, founder of Gold Comedy, is revolutionizing the comedy industry by creating spaces where women and non-binary creators can develop their skills and launch successful careers. Through her work, she demonstrates how comedy can be a powerful tool for social change, connecting people through shared laughter while challenging outdated norms.
• Comedy creates connection – when people get the same joke, they're on the same page
• Lynn's journey from journalist and stand-up comedian to social change advocate wasn't linear
• Despite progress, women comedians still face significant barriers in the industry
• Gold Comedy provides classes, community, and opportunities through an annual membership model
• The platform offers everything from stand-up training to sketch writing and video editing
• Gold's "Build and Pitch" class helps members develop and pitch show concepts to TV executives
• When diversity in comedy is normalized, it changes power structures and cultural narratives
• Comedy matters because it helps define what's normal and shapes societal perspectives
• The online format makes high-quality comedy education accessible to creators worldwide
Use code "STEELROSES" for 10% off Gold Comedy membership or classes by DMing @goldcomedy or @lynnharris on social media.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning everybody.
Welcome to Still Roses podcast.
This podcast was created forwomen, by women, to elevate
women's voices.
I am super excited this morningto introduce all of you to our
guest, lynn Harris.
She is the founder of GoldComedy, a comedy school,
professional network and contentstudio where women and
non-binary creators launch andgrow their comedy careers.
(00:20):
A stand-up producer, creator,journalist and author, lynn has
dedicated her career to usecomedy as a force for social
change, because when you makepeople laugh, you make people
listen.
Lynn, welcome to the podcast,thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Lynn, I would love it if you could share your story
with the listeners.
First of all, how did you comeabout with founding Gold Comedy
and really taking this positionof using comedy to really reach
and resonate with your audience?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, you know, I've done a lot of storytelling and
I've taught a lot ofstorytelling and in those it is
a hard and fast rule that yourstory, when you create one for a
stage, has to have a beginning,middle and an end.
I would be lying if my story inmy life was as clearly
organized as that.
It is not.
So I kind of I have really justkind of followed my nose and
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and the thing this is we'regoing to hate this metaphor now
that I started it but and thesmell that I was following.
You know what my nose liked wasfunny things and good things I
mean good for the world and so,little by little, as I
cultivated them separately, Ithought, do you know what I'm
going to try to do these at thesame time?
So what I mean is I always, Iwas always just drawn to comedy
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and comedies and silly funnythings.
My parents Well, yeah, my dadwas kind of a big joker actually
and my mom was also very funny,but also an equally good
audience.
We, you know the basically thesoundtrack in our house was
either opera, which is myparents thing, which is can also
be very funny actually, orCarol Burnett I Love Lucy, the
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Muppet Show, monty Python, andthat was just normal, and they
weren't trying to get me to befunny or God forbid trying.
They were not trying to get meto start a comedy career, but
that was just normal and so Iloved it.
I just inhaled it, loved it,loved it, loved it.
And so I was just drawn.
I did not make a plan, but Iwas just drawn to anything that
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was art and performance relatedand writing.
My mother was indirectly awriter as well.
Little by little as I cultivated, I became a pretty successful,
very successful journalist.
I developed a stand.
I was, I did stand up for about10 years and I wrote.
I wrote and co-wrote books thathad sort of a seriousness of
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purpose, but a funny package.
For example, I co-created abook with a dear friend of mine
who lives right there Hello,he's not up yet Chris Kalb about
surviving a breakup.
But what we did was we createdand this was really Chris's idea
initially created a superherocharacter named Breakup Girl who
was there to help you survive abreakup, to get through a
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breakup.
We have heroes who can bendsteel bars how about one who can
mend broken hearts right?
And even that had kind of asocial justice bent because she
was a female character but shehelped everybody, and so we were
trying to kind of push back onthe idea that, like, women talk
about relationships and men talkabout, you know, rotisserie
football, you know like it.
And so the audience was super,um was all genders.
(03:26):
We were talking about issuesback then that no one else was
talking about.
Um, uh, trans stuff, gay stuff,like we were talking about it
then because we, because it waspackaged with like a very
powerful but also fallible andrelatable superhero, people were
drawn to be able to talk aboutthose things in.
It was a welcoming space whereeveryone could laugh together,
(03:47):
even as we were talking aboutreally serious stuff.
Sometimes that's really tough,yes, yes.
So that was so and really thatcan.
So when I say I didn't have aplan, you know that the breakup
girl came about because we wereworking on this book together
and we realized we had morepages to fill and and we were
like if only there could be somesort of through line and so,
cut to.
You know, chris was like howabout a superhero?
Great, you know.
(04:08):
So, like we didn't have a planfor like we'll change the world
by creating a comedy superhero.
So that was kind of how thingswent and the planlessness that
kind of did have a through line,when it's also what I
cultivated as a journalisteventually, when I had the
enough experience and kind offreedom to do that, and that was
really dig into issues that arenot inherently funny or issues
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that people don't inherentlywant to laugh about, but finding
I developed a knack and I'm notthe only one, but I developed a
knack for finding ways to talkabout an issue with humor that
is appropriate and illuminating.
And so I eventually then alsoworked for a human rights
organization called Breakthroughthat worked primarily in the US
and India and their callingcard was pop culture driven
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campaigns that encourage peopleto see a given human rights
issue as real and relevant andactionable.
So not something over therethat someone else's problem that
maybe you'll write a letterabout, but how am I?
Part of building a culture ofhuman rights and we use pop
culture stuff all the time.
I did I created a series ofcomedy shows called dudes
against violence against women,because duh, and you know we
were like finally I'll do lineupon purpose, you know, and so
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that's super serious, you know,but we got a bunch of dudes on
stage really kind of owningtheir part in the culture that
creates that perpetuated genderbased, perpetuates gender based
violence, etc.
So I'm getting ahead of it.
But the point is this is, onceI kind of got my footing started
to get my footingprofessionally, I was able to
more deliberately bring togetherthe stuff that I love the most,
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which was making the world abetter place and laughing.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
This is a really unique angle and I mentioned,
like when we were chattingquickly before before we got
rolling here.
I like this angle very muchbecause I work in communications
and as a communicator, likeI've often and I've and this is
how I talk like with mycolleagues I'm like I will often
use comedy as a segue in someinstances to try to, like you
(06:02):
know, level set or to ease intoa different topic or to, you
know, just to kind of break upthe mood, because I mean,
everything is always so seriousand especially in my industry,
like we're.
I mean it's very like tense andvery stressful, and I've used
it almost my entire life and Idon't know where I picked it up.
At some point I learned, likeyou can make someone laugh.
It sort of eases the tension alittle bit.
(06:22):
It kind of eases the tension alittle bit.
It kind of bursts the bubble alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, it really does and sorry go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, no, it's okay.
No, I want you to go, you usingcomedy to address topics that,
yes, it's really serious, it'sreally intense.
These topics get violentreactions from people.
People will.
I mean, I've had people thatI'm pre-interviewing for the
podcast and it won't even be afull topic conversation, but
people react really quickly andreally heatedly and I don't know
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if that's just because oftoday's society and because of
how things are today, but I'vehad like really abrasive
reactions and I'm like you know,everyone's allowed to their
opinion on this show.
Like this is a safe space and Ithink that's what you're doing
here and I actually wanted toacknowledge and commend you for
that, because you're making itsafe to talk about.
You know, like it's you'remaking it like this doesn't have
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to be taboo.
We can just talk about this andI love that because that's what
this podcast is here for.
Yeah, these topics that are notout there, that are related to
women, we don't have to not talkabout stuff.
We can talk about things inother ways and level the playing
field or level set with eachother.
So I love that you're doingthat.
That's really fantastic.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Thank you.
Well, three things.
One is thank you.
Well, four, one is thank you.
The second is I certainlythere's actually, at this point,
a lot of academic research intothe role of comedy and social
change.
So, like it's certainly notlike my own, you know, my own,
my own idea, you know, but I docare very much about it and find
it to be incredibly potent.
And I think the reason I thinka lot of times people think that
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when you're bringing, whenyou're sort of stirring comedy
into something not funny, Ithink sometimes people think
it's just about like lighteningthe mood.
And I actually think it'sdeeper than that, because I
don't know, I'm not reallytalking about like hey, let's
make rape fun, you know, likethat's not like but so that's
not it at all.
But I think what happens is and,by the way, there is there's a
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lot of great comedy about rapeculture and about which is fair
game.
Right, it's not side note, it'snot about making fun of the
thing, it's about finding thecomedy in the stuff around the
thing.
Whatever the bad thing is right, yeah, so in any case.
But what I think really is whyit's effective with your clients
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or whoever is not that you'rejust laughing to.
It's not just the laughing thatis diffusing the tension.
It's like why are we laughingright now?
It's because when two peopleget the same joke, they're
connected.
You know, because I remember Iwas traveling in, for when I was
a journalist, I was travelingin in Newfoundland, one of my
(08:59):
favorite places on earth.
I remember it was finding out.
We were like up one night, youknow, drinking Canadian beer and
doing something I don'tremember what, and we're telling
jokes, and I wanted to tell ajoke.
You know that, like the jokesthat are like and they're very
offensive typically or let's putit this way they can be
offensive where you, you knowyou're like okay, you know, an
Italian, greek Polack, walk intoa bar, you know.
And so I asked I was going totell one like that, polack, walk
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into a bar, you know.
And so I asked I was going totell one like that.
So I asked the people inNewfoundland, okay, so when you
make fun of another part ofCanada, which one is it?
Because I was going to makethat one the butt of the joke?
And they were likeNewfoundlanders.
And I was like, no, no, no, no.
What I mean is who were wemaking fun of here?
And they were like, oh, only inNewfoundland are people going
(09:43):
to get a joke.
So now I learned the culture isthat we make fun of
Newfoundlanders in Newfoundland.
Okay, Would not have known that.
So when you're in Newfoundlandyou're making jokes about
Newfoundlanders, you get, you'reconnected, you get it right.
You and I wouldn't get the jokeRight.
(10:03):
It's a long way of, if it's notovert is from the setup to the
punchline, and between the setupand the punch there's a twist.
Something unexpected happens.
The comic or the writer orwhoever makes you think they're
going in one direction and theypivot.
And so it's like you know, takemy wife, please.
You know.
Sexist, great joke, four words,amazing joke, right, penny
(10:26):
Edmund.
Sexist, great joke, four wordsamazing joke, right, and so if
you're going to be able tofollow the writer or the writing
or whatever from the setup allthe way around that curve to the
punchline, you guys are on thesame page because you are
getting the same joke.
So it's that moment ofconnection that is sort of
underlying just the kind ofopening a steam valve for
laughing, and so that's what Ithink is so powerful about those
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moments and why they enablepeople to kind of let their
guards down and be like okay,all right, we're doing this.
When you add humor, to somethingthat they initially did not
want to be part of.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
maybe I never thought of it that way.
I've never thought of comedy inthat fashion.
And I have to tell you, I am aperson that, like at night, you
know, after the kids are in bed,my husband's always like, what
do you want to watch?
Like, what do you want?
And I always feel like I wantto watch something funny, like I
always want to watch somethingfunny, I always want to watch
comedy.
I'm not so serious, you know,all day long I have to worry
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about, like my whole world andeveryone's world in my orbit,
Like so I like to just at atnight, laugh my ass off like I,
that's what I want to do.
And he's he's actually he'salways like oh, you know, he
wants to watch, he likes towatch uh, what is it?
Action movies, and I like thattoo.
But comedy is always my go-tobecause that's it does.
It feels cathartic, it feelslike a release.
(11:40):
When I get to laugh and welaugh so much here and I'm
always like really proud of thatbecause we joke around here at
my house, we tease each Like mykids will come up to me and be
like, mom, we're going to roastyou.
We have some jokes.
I'm like all right, let's hearit.
Go ahead and like my son likeconsistently is like doing
things like that.
My daughter's like, they alllike the joke and I encourage it
Cause I'm like, yeah, do itLike it's funny, you know, as
(12:02):
long as it's in good humor andit's something that, like, I'm
open to him, like, why not,right?
I do want to also commend you onsomething because you started
talking earlier about like youknow, when you were being
brought up, and like comedy,like filter house basically, and
that you made the through lineof like you followed your nose.
But I have to tell you, youknow you, following your
(12:22):
intuition and doing what you'redoing, you're, you're serving
such a larger purpose here withwhat you're doing.
Like this, just this isn't justcomedy, this is something so
much more, and I don't thinkcomedy ever is just comedy,
because there are so many topicsthat come up that you know, do
hit a nerve with some peopleLike I've watched comedy shows
on TV where you can hear theaudience audibly, like you know,
(12:44):
like, do one of those things.
If somebody says like somethingnot quite the right way,
there's definitely, I think, alot of talent and work that has
to come behind the comic, andI'm going to ask you about your,
your 10 years.
You said you did stand up.
Yeah, I mean, I rehearse forphone calls, so I can only
imagine the rehearsals that haveto take place to prepare
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yourself to have the rightfacial expression, body movement
, tone of voice.
All of those things are comingthrough in comedy and I don't
know if people realize, like,how complex it actually is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, and, frankly, most of the rehearsal happens on
stage.
You know, like you can learn to, you can learn to.
I'm not, I don't want to likecreate a fake hierarchy here,
but like you can learn to playpiano in your house, right, you
cannot become a standup in yourhouse.
I'm not saying that standup isharder than piano, I'm not
making a direct comparison, I'mjust talking about two different
kinds of art.
There are two different kinds ofart.
(13:39):
That's one.
The reason I kind of driftcan't be a standup Like there's
no, that's, there's no other wayto do it.
It's not possible.
It's like being a pilot andnever flying a plane.
You can't.
It's like you can say you're apilot but you're not.
(14:00):
If you're not in a plane, youknow you can have a pilot's
license but you're not pilot.
You know you're not piloting.
So I think that's what a lot ofpeople don't know is like when,
and not you, not you, but whenpeople say like I loved your
skit, you know.
Or or your routine, and it'slike girl, it's anything, but
you know.
(14:20):
And, of course, yes, you know,if you see a standup doing their
hour on remember premium blend,any standup on premium blend,
blend that is like they're doingit exactly the way they plant.
But that is because they haveworked on those bits of material
for years.
Yeah, and every time they geton stage, well, depending on
where they are, they do, um,they do some new stuff mixed in
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with some anchor stuff andthey're always figuring out like
you know what?
I got to take a longer beat onthat, or, you know, maybe the
word kumquat would be funnierthan grapefruit.
You know, I don't know, likethey're always, always tweaking
as they go and so, and which Ilove.
So that's part of what I love,like love and loved about it.
But so that's and that's what,like, a lot of people do, stand
up and improv and there are alsopeople, like people like me,
(15:03):
who just I've done a littleimprov, but I can improvise,
like myself, you know, I can,sort of I can do it, I can.
You know, if I'm hostingsomething, it's easy for me to
just to sort of not prepare or,you know, underprepare and kind
of, yeah, I wouldn't, I don'twant to say it that way.
I don't need to do a lot ofprep.
I can be okay in the moment,but like on an improv team,
that's terrifying to me.
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And a lot of improvisers whoare like I don't know how you
can get up there alone, you know.
So it's like it's just, youknow, everyone has their
different, yeah, their differentthings.
But I think the question youasked me that I didn't answer
yet is about gold comedy, which,as you correctly said, is
comedy school and a communityprofessional network and a
content studio where women andnon-binary folks launch and grow
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their careers, and the thingabout that is that's also the
social changing part is thatit's actually still not.
It's well, two things are trueat once.
They're exact opposites, andthey're both.
Oh, thank you.
There are two things are trueat once.
They are, and again, exactopposites.
One is that things are so muchbetter than they were in the
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nineties, when I did stand upfor women and non-white dudes,
right, non-straight white dudes.
The other, the same thing isalso the opposite is also true.
It is terrible.
So, and they're both so like, solike, don't you know, don't be
like writing angry DMs to thepodcast, like it's both.
Okay, it's both.
It's like, hey, it's great outhere.
No, yes, it is.
(16:26):
Also it's terrible, and what Imean is that it's still not
weird, it's not unusual to bethe only woman in a lineup.
It's don't have all the behindthe scenes data to prove this,
but, like as with otherindustries, women work harder to
get to the same place.
Women work harder to get paid,half the, you know, 70%.
All that stuff is the same incomedy still, and there was just
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a club in Boston, venerablecomedy club in Boston, that had
an all-women's night, which I'malso kind of sick of Like can
you just, we're just comics, canyou just, you know, just like?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
put us in regular.
It doesn't have to be.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, it's.
Also, it makes you the flyerthat was on Instagram.
This was not 1983.
Okay, this was this summer.
The flyer was the faces of thewomen, the real comics on,
photoshopped badly onto nakedBarbie dolls.
Are you kidding me?
You know, and people and one ofthe comics comics commented
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that she liked it, which fine,that's okay.
I don't if it's your, if youlike it, that's fine.
But you know, first of all, butlike, that's not the point.
But they liked it.
No, that's not the point.
Like would you ever?
First of all, is it ever goingto be dudes night?
No, every night is dudes night,right?
Um, second of all, would youever, would it occur to you to
do that like with a bunch oflike naked Ken dolls?
That's what I think.
It wouldn't even.
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It's not even.
There's no cultural attraction.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah.
Like what?
What's the logic behind that Ifit wasn't women?
Like why?
What?
Why Barbie dolls?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And you were just sending the message that you
were sending the message fromyour directly, from your club,
that you think women comics aredifferent, and I hate to the
word objectified is overused,I'm trying to avoid it but that
you don't think of them as realcomics and therefore I don't
also want to, and this is like avenerable club, you know.
So I'm not shocked because it'sold-fashioned, but still so
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you're sending the message thatyou aren't interested in women
at all.
I'm not saying that's true, I'mjust because I don't know, I
don't know the mindset behind it.
I saying that's true, I'm justbecause I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't know the mindset behind it.
I'm just saying that's themessage.
No, you're right though,because it's.
I've pointed that out to myhusband a few few times, just
like because I have a deepappreciation for marketing.
Like I really like marketingand I like to look at what gets
put out into like the ether,like I like seeing stuff and
there are certain things thatwill come across.
And there's been ads like we'rewatching tv and these are ads
from like big major corporations.
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And I'm like, oh ew.
And he's like what?
And I'm like, can you go back?
Like you know, now we canrewind commercials.
And I'm like, are you notgetting the undertones here?
And I'll like start pointingstuff out.
And he's like, oh yeah, I guess.
And I'm and I say to him, I'mlike it's this kind of thing
that like and and with theexample you provided, it's those
kinds of things that are, it'stone deaf, really.
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And then it's also like thethought behind it, because it's
not just going out to like okay,maybe the comedians were fine
with it and maybe they approvedit and said it was all good with
them, that's fine, like that'sall good, but it's really like
the next layer of it, and somepeople, like even my husband,
will tell me, like, jen, likeyou're going too deep with that
or, you know, you're lookinginto that too far.
I'm not, though, because if youlook at movies and ads in the
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eighties and nineties and earlytwo thousands, it's like
shocking.
And now I watch stuff and I'llbe like, oh yeah, I remember
this movie was funny and I'llput it on the TV and my kids
will be watching it.
And then I'm like, oh wait,this is like really offensive
Right.
We've done that so many timesand like okay yeah, I watch
stuff now and I'm like, oh shit,like this is like really
(19:52):
inappropriate and reallyoffensive, and I'm like damn.
And my kids are like this isfunny.
And I'm like, oh no, it's not.
Yeah, I was gonna change it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I know well my kids, like they, they're 16 and 18 now
but when they still tease usbecause we pretty much let them
watch anything, but the deal wasthat they had to let us pause,
you know.
So we'd be watching and I'd belike, okay, pause.
And then my, you know, my kidwould be like mom, I know what
slut shaming is, you know, yeah,look at Lynn.
Okay, then we'll proceed withDirty Dancing, but like I mean,
this is, I mean this is why thisis the whole thing, this is why
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it matters From day to day.
The idea is we are going to.
Comedy is hard for everyone.
Comedy is hard for thestraightest, whitest, you know,
dude is dude, right, it's hardfor everyone.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but it's stillharder for people who are not
the straightest whitest, cisestdude, and so I would like to
make it easier, I would like tohelp make it easier for the
people for whom it is still hard, because they still get their
picture on a naked Barbie, right, and so that's the thing, like
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full stop.
If that's all we were doing,full stop, that would be great.
But the interesting thing, Ithink the sort of like the big,
you know, the big vision, iswell what happens when we help
that many more people who areoutside the comedy norm become
successful comedians in whateverwe do everything.
So, whether it means they, youknow, they get into the writer's
room at john oliver, which, bythe way, is a bad example
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because their writer's room ishas historically been very
diverse and fantastic.
But whatever they get intowriter's rooms, they get into,
they got on stage, they get,they do solo shows, they produce
things, they, you know, they'rebehind the camera.
There's so many, and even youmentioned commercials, side note
, men are still two or threetimes more likely than women to
be the funny one in commercials,and also four to five people
(21:36):
consumers prefer their brands tobe funny, which is a whole
other topic.
That's interesting, becauseit's not because they want their
brands to be entertaining.
The idea is that funny brandsinspire trust.
Yeah, but that's also what yousaid.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Their brands to be entertaining.
The idea is that funny brandsinspire trust.
Yeah, but that's also what yousaid.
But that makes sense, right?
It makes sense For what yousaid earlier.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So I'm also including , like women who are like
writing commercials, so you'renot like, so it's not like that
same damn commercial with, likethe dude messing up the laundry
and the woman going, hmm, Q,whatever.
So the point is, in theaggregate, when the vision here
is, if we're able to kind ofshove that many more people who
represent some sort of diversityinto the industry, then we make
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it.
It's going to sound theopposite, but we make it not
that interesting for someone tobe different and we normalize.
That's the whole thing aboutusing culture to change culture,
which my old organization usedto say we make it, we normalize
all sorts of different faces,voices, et cetera in comedy.
That's better for the industry,it's better for the product, as
(22:39):
is true in any industry.
And then also bringing it backto the very beginning, yeah,
comedy matters because comedyhelps define what's normal, it
helps define points of view, ithelps define power structures,
and so the more we can nevermindif the comic themselves is
(22:59):
talking about an issue, doesn'tmatter, they could be slipping
on a banana peel.
But the but.
The more we normalize differentdifference in comedy, the
better we all are, the bettercomedy is and the more power we
give to those, you know,overused word, but
underrepresented points of view,and we were.
You know, we're all better forit and that's why you know.
(23:20):
So, if we make, when you makepeople laugh, you make people
listen great.
Let's build a world thatlistens to more different people
.
Yeah, and so that's the big.
You know, that's the sort ofbig I would like to contribute.
Gold can't do it by itself, butI would like to contribute to
that kind of change.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
If someone listening here is saying like you know
what this actually sounds like,something I'd be interested in
I'm going to pull the website upagainst gold comedy.
How would that work?
Would they just go to thewebsite and contact you there?
It's like a sign.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
yeah, yeah, um it.
So, with a few exceptions, thattypically the way we work is we
have a core community and soinstead of this is unusual
instead of paying typically,instead of paying class by class
and just like just you know,taking one class after another,
just taking one class andleaving whatever we operate on a
membership basis.
So you join for the year andtypically people stay two or
(24:09):
more years because when you join, you get not only unlimited
access to all the classes weoffer in what we call the club,
so you can take all the classes.
You can take all the classesmore than once People do that
also you get access to.
We have super friendly, open.
It's mostly online, so you canbe wherever you are.
Oh, that's perfect oh awesomewhich, yes, you can do comedy
(24:30):
online.
We've all learned that, we knewit before the pandemic, but now
we really know it and you haveaccess to super friendly open
mics on Monday, celebrity andpro speaker series on Wednesdays
a constant rotation of classeswe have right now we have sketch
writing going and stand up.
We have sketch bootcamphappening right now.
Stand-up Bootcamp starts nextweek.
We have we're teaching a wholeclass on how to edit for comedy,
(24:52):
how to edit digital video forcomedy, which, ps, you know, snl
just disbanded its sketch team.
Please don't destroy becauseone of the dudes is now a cast
member.
So now it's an opportunity forSNL, who has had historically
very funny digital sketch teamsand they have been 100 white
dudes which like what, how andgold has eight, uh, six digital
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sketch teams making funnysketches.
Wow.
And you have to.
That's a selective process thathappens once a year.
We have seasons, um, but.
But you can also, if you wantto, if you want to be on a
sketch team but you don't have alot of experience that you can
also join and take all of oursketch classes and do all of our
sketch workshops and learn howto edit, learn how to produce
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and learn how to do lighting,and learn how to do sound, and
learn how to do all those things, because you need that and then
put yourself in a position tobe on one of our teams.
We are definitely we're verywelcoming to novices.
We have people, you know, withtons of experience, who are
leveling.
The point is, you can level upfrom wherever you are, so you
don't have to be, you know, youdon't have to like there's
(25:57):
nothing.
There's no such thing as like,well, I'm not ready yet.
No, you're right.
Like wherever you are, you'reready.
And we have people who started,you know, in started there's.
I'm thinking of one woman namedRocky who started comedy as her
third career Well, second and ahalf.
She was a high school artteacher and also a volunteer
firefighter and now she, eventhough she is still taken care
(26:18):
of her son, has extra needs andshe takes care of her
grandchildren, but she reallywent all in on comedy with Gold
and she lives in North Carolinaand just this week I finally met
her because she and four otherGoldies were part of a solo show
festival.
That one of our instructors,iris Barr, who was also like
super famous and very cool shewas, I can tell you she was, but
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she actually Iris couldn't beat her own festival because
she's shooting an Amazon onPrime series in, as it turns out
, in New Mexico this week, soIris couldn't be there, but
anyway.
So Rocky came from, juststarted stand-up with us and now
had her own show in New YorkCity the last couple of days as
part of this festival downtown.
So in any case, so Rocky startedwith just the will to do it, so
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anybody can give it a whirl andwe do.
We take it very seriously.
But we're really nice and so wemake it.
So you don't have to.
So you don't have to like, showup at Mike's with where you're
the only, you know, 35 year old,40 year old woman with a bunch
of white dudes, with hoodies andbackpacks, like, and again,
maybe they're very nice, I'msure you know, I know you're
(27:26):
talking about, though, becauseit's really it is intimidating.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's intimidating in any industry and you know, like
I see it on the corporate side,so that is intimidating to be
like as you were talking.
So, listeners, I'm going tolink Gold Comedy, the website,
into the description for thevideo, for the podcast, so you
guys can check it out, becausewe do have listeners across the
US, across the globe, it'sinternational.
(27:49):
So I would love for you guys tocheck it out, because we do
have listeners across the US,across the globe, it's
international.
So I would love for you guys tocheck it out.
But what I'm getting at here isthat, like as you were talking,
and I'm like wow, I'm like youknow, anyone could start, like
anyone could get into this, andthen I was imagining myself
doing it and I was like I, Iwould be terrified.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But that's the thing where, yeah, we're so nice.
So we, you know, we really giveyou and even I'm not even sure
that like a room full of 25 yearold white dudes is intimidating
they just might not be yourpeople, right, they might, they
might, who knows?
But they might not like.
We're your people, and itdoesn't mean that we're not
diverse, we are.
It doesn't mean that we haveone point of view or one type of
joke or like women, am I right?
(28:22):
We're not that and we're noteven a hundred percent women,
because we're just 100% women,because we're just, but we're
just nice, yeah, so it's areally safe space also, even if
you're in the middle of yourcareer, ever, you know, just to
find your people make funnystuff, just like, let's do this
and there's no, it's just wejust get to focus on the funny
stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I like it too because healing is that laughing and
laughing is such a healing thingfor the body and like there's
been actual, like legitimatecases where people laugh
themselves into a cure.
And it sounds kind of nuts tosay it, but I've, I've, I've
heard it, I've read it, likeI've read the research on it,
and it does have an impact.
That's why, again, like I said,like we laugh a lot in my house
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and I like that because thatreally like brings this other
energy to it.
So I think you, creating thissafe space for people to come
and practice their craft andeven if they decide, like, not
to go too far with it or if theyjust want to, you know, stay
within goals, like you know, atleast you're leveraging a part
of your creative, yourcreativity.
That's like also feeding yoursoul, which also I heard a lot
(29:27):
in what you were talking aboutthis morning, lynn.
Your energy and the way thatyou're talking about this space
is very much like it's somethingthat well one.
It sounds like it was somethingyou were meant to be doing.
So it like that in itself islike a big deal, because so many
women like myself included,like I've talked on other
episodes about, like how I wasreally lost and like what I was
(29:47):
trying to do with myself andwhat was making me happy until I
was, like in my late 30s.
A lot of women come on here andsay that like they hit like a
fork in the road, or they hitthis moment where they're like,
oh my God, like I'm not happywith anything I'm doing, like I
need to pivot, and you've madethat.
You like blazed that path.
So I think that's reallyawesome, that you've taken this
route.
(30:10):
And now you founded gold comedy,which is helping other people
to step into that framework andknow, like, oh, this is the same
space, like I can practice, andbecause it's online and because
it's virtual, across the world,people can tap into this and
say, like I'd really like to getinto this.
I don't know what to do.
I'm starting out brand new.
Like where, where am I startingfrom?
So this is such a great servicethat you're providing people to
come together also as well,because even you know, like for
(30:31):
I use the podcast as an examplebecause of this podcast, I've
gotten this like great tribe ofwomen that now I'm in contact
with all the time to be like, oh, just checking in which when,
by the way, I do do that to allthe guests.
Just good, good that's greatradically whenever it pops into
my head.
I'm like I haven't talked withlynn or I haven't talked with
so-and-so in a while and I'lljust like shoot a note and be
like hey, like just checking in,like I hope everything's well.
(30:53):
You know it's creating thatcommunity is also like
incredibly important, which islacking a lot in today's world.
Everyone's very like siloed athome just with a device, and
this opens up a little bit morefor folks.
So I think this is such a greatservice that you're providing.
Is there any thing that youwould like to leave the
listeners with?
Any final thoughts that reallyresonate with you that you want
(31:16):
people to hear?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, this is a plug for something we do at Gold, but
I'm saying it specificallybecause I think it makes people
go oh, I could do that.
And that is the following wealso have a class called build
and pitch or, depending on howmuch space we have, build and
pitch any idea, or develop andpitch any idea, and it's taught
by Ryan Cunningham, who isamazing.
(31:39):
She was a producer on BroadCity Search Party, amy Schumer
like she's got the credentialsand what she does.
This is a premium class that wehave that we offer about once a
quarter, where she takes youwhatever idea you have Could be
for a TV show, could be for apodcast, could be for a film,
could be for a web seriestypically TV shows, but not
(31:59):
necessarily.
You can have the tiniest littleseedling of an idea, like my
family's a dentist.
There's probably somethingfunny.
There Could be as much as youshow up with and in 12 weeks you
, through her magical process,you come out on the 12th week
ready to pitch your show tothree TV executives, just who
have been in the business for awhile.
It's not a real pitch, butthings do come out of this where
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you are ready to give anindustry standard practice
polish pitch for your show thathas come from may have come from
nothing but an idea.
And what is kind of magicalabout this class?
And, by the way, shows do go onfrom this class to get into
development, turn into a webseries, which we have one now
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out there called Ratzar, thatstarted in this class.
That's fully produced and doneout there in the world.
Others are in development.
The reason I'm mentioning it nowis that a wide range of people
do take this class, but to methe most kind of juicy
population who takes this classare women who are successfully
in their own, successful intheir own careers, whether those
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careers are entertainmentrelated or not, who have this
idea for a thing that they can'tstop thinking about, and
whether it's like post COVID orwhether it's like empty nest,
like whatever it is, they'relike I'm doing this and they're
very, very serious.
They buckle down, they get thejob done and they really have
(33:25):
magic happen by just finallylearning this skill of this
formula, this process ofcommunicating this thing that is
so important to them, gettingit out of their head, out of a
drawer, off their heart, into aformat that can connect with
people who can help them make ithappen.
There's a Billy who is a is apublic health and she works in
(33:49):
public health.
Just teenage kids wrote a showcalled and I'm going to swear
because it's the best title inthe world wrote a show called
Bad Shit Debbie.
That is now that's looselyautobiographical about her ADHD
et cetera.
That's now in development inCanada that she did in this.
So these are people like you andme know, who are successful in
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something, maybe entertainmentrelated or not.
Some of them one of them issomeone taking it now is a
veterinary oncology surgeonworking on the show that she had
, that she has on her heart, andso it really is transformative
for people not just to producethis thing but to know that they
can and to have it out in theworld and really be a thing and
not just an idea like I shoulddo that, I should do that, I
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should do that, I should do that.
And so it's particularly thissort of population of women in
their 50s who really make thatmagic happen in this show.
So in this class.
I just want to say that becausepeople you think of like the
comedy they oh, I have to go bea stand up or comedy, oh, I have
to.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm glad you said that and I'm sorry to interject.
I'm glad you said that and I'msorry to interject.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
That's fine, go for it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I'm glad you said that, because that's literally
exactly what I had.
I was like, oh, okay, so goldcomedy, like you're gonna go
online, you shouldn't takevirtual classes.
This is just strictly stand-upor just like yeah, like
basically fine-tuning your craftor what you know, make sure you
have like your content foreverything, but what you're
doing now, you're what you'resaying now, actually so much
more.
So gold comedy is not juststand up, we're talking about.
(35:11):
You're pulling people togetherand you're offering courses like
this.
This is that's actually reallybig.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So that's what no one else does that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So if you become that no, that's a huge, honestly,
like you just like my ears likeperked up because there's a lot
of folks that have come on thisshow that would be highly
interested in that.
So I'm I am going to want to getmore information from you on,
like when that is coming around,because I'd like to share that
with some of my former guestsbecause they would be like,
(35:40):
incredibly interested.
There's been a lot of writersthat have come on here that have
stories already that are readyto go.
There's a woman that came on acouple of seasons back and she
shared her menopause story andshe put it into a book and it
was incredible, like I wascrying reading her book the
whole time and I'm like thiscould be something that would
really help other women if itreally got to like mass market.
(36:01):
So that's huge.
So if somebody, somebody signedup, let's say, like for the
annual plan I pulled up yourwebsite, by the way, while
you're talking.
When you, as soon as you starttalking about this, I was like,
oh my God, what did I miss?
This is huge.
So you'd sign up for like ayear membership and then you
gain access to these kinds ofcourses to help typically.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, it's either.
Typically people get joined forthe year and then they have all
of almost all of the classesincluded, except our premium
classes, which are more in-depth, like focused, longer and
typically organized around, likethis class.
The pitching class is actuallylike a college level class that
Ryan developed in a collegesetting that now she's exported
(36:42):
to us.
So if you're a member, thepremium classes are discounted
for you.
If you join through a premiumclass, you also get included in
the tuition is your first yearof gold.
So when you join a premiumclass, you also get access.
It's just basically two doorsinto the same place.
Yeah, so it depends on what yourinterests and needs are, but
(37:02):
it's all on our website.
I just opened enrollment forRyan's class for November,
december, november Anyway, latefall.
And for your listeners, if youDM me at gold comedy or at Lynn
Harris and tell me that you wantto either join the club or take
a class, I will.
I'll hook you up with adiscount code If you just tell
me that you heard me on thispodcast 10% discount.
(37:24):
Yeah, that's not nothing,especially with the premium
classes.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So yeah, that's awesome 10% off for your
listeners.
For that you kind of you gotlike my creative brain going
like, by the way, it was firingso hard just now.
I got so excited.
So I mean thank you for that.
Thank you for giving me yourtime this morning.
I really appreciate sharing allthis.
Listeners, I'm going to linkgold comedy in the description
here so you can check out thewebsite too and check out the
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courses that are available.
I was already scanning throughthem.
And then, lynn, let's connecton you know the class that you
were just talking about, thepitch class, because I would
love to hear more about that.
Listeners and viewers, thankyou so much for being here with
us this morning.
We appreciate you.
Excuse me, early morning frogin my throat and we will catch
you on the next one, take care.
Good morning everybody.
Welcome to Still Roses podcast.
This podcast was created forwomen, by women, to elevate
women's voices.
I am super excited this morningto introduce all of you to our
guest, lynn Harris.
She is the founder of GoldComedy, a comedy school,
professional network and contentstudio where women and
non-binary creators launch andgrow their comedy careers.
(00:20):
A stand-up producer, creator,journalist and author, lynn has
dedicated her career to usecomedy as a force for social
change, because when you makepeople laugh, you make people
listen.
Lynn, welcome to the podcast,thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Lynn, I would love it if you could share your story
with the listeners.
First of all, how did you comeabout with founding Gold Comedy
and really taking this positionof using comedy to really reach
and resonate with your audience?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, you know, I've done a lot of storytelling and
I've taught a lot ofstorytelling and in those it is
a hard and fast rule that yourstory, when you create one for a
stage, has to have a beginning,middle and an end.
I would be lying if my story inmy life was as clearly
organized as that.
It is not.
So I kind of I have really justkind of followed my nose and
(01:14):
and the thing this is we'regoing to hate this metaphor now
that I started it but and thesmell that I was following.
You know what my nose liked wasfunny things and good things I
mean good for the world and so,little by little, as I
cultivated them separately, Ithought, do you know what I'm
going to try to do these at thesame time?
So what I mean is I always, Iwas always just drawn to comedy
(01:36):
and comedies and silly funnythings.
My parents Well, yeah, my dadwas kind of a big joker actually
and my mom was also very funny,but also an equally good
audience.
We, you know the basically thesoundtrack in our house was
either opera, which is myparents thing, which is can also
be very funny actually, orCarol Burnett I Love Lucy, the
(01:59):
Muppet Show, monty Python, andthat was just normal, and they
weren't trying to get me to befunny or God forbid trying.
They were not trying to get meto start a comedy career, but
that was just normal and so Iloved it.
I just inhaled it, loved it,loved it, loved it.
And so I was just drawn.
I did not make a plan, but Iwas just drawn to anything that
(02:20):
was art and performance relatedand writing.
My mother was indirectly awriter as well.
Little by little as I cultivated, I became a pretty successful,
very successful journalist.
I developed a stand.
I was, I did stand up for about10 years and I wrote.
I wrote and co-wrote books thathad sort of a seriousness of
(02:41):
purpose, but a funny package.
For example, I co-created abook with a dear friend of mine
who lives right there Hello,he's not up yet Chris Kalb about
surviving a breakup.
But what we did was we createdand this was really Chris's idea
initially created a superherocharacter named Breakup Girl who
was there to help you survive abreakup, to get through a
(03:04):
breakup.
We have heroes who can bendsteel bars how about one who can
mend broken hearts right?
And even that had kind of asocial justice bent because she
was a female character but shehelped everybody, and so we were
trying to kind of push back onthe idea that, like, women talk
about relationships and men talkabout, you know, rotisserie
football, you know like it.
And so the audience was super,um was all genders.
(03:26):
We were talking about issuesback then that no one else was
talking about.
Um, uh, trans stuff, gay stuff,like we were talking about it
then because we, because it waspackaged with like a very
powerful but also fallible andrelatable superhero, people were
drawn to be able to talk aboutthose things in.
It was a welcoming space whereeveryone could laugh together,
(03:47):
even as we were talking aboutreally serious stuff.
Sometimes that's really tough,yes, yes.
So that was so and really thatcan.
So when I say I didn't have aplan, you know that the breakup
girl came about because we wereworking on this book together
and we realized we had morepages to fill and and we were
like if only there could be somesort of through line and so,
cut to.
You know, chris was like howabout a superhero?
Great, you know.
(04:08):
So, like we didn't have a planfor like we'll change the world
by creating a comedy superhero.
So that was kind of how thingswent and the planlessness that
kind of did have a through line,when it's also what I
cultivated as a journalisteventually, when I had the
enough experience and kind offreedom to do that, and that was
really dig into issues that arenot inherently funny or issues
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that people don't inherentlywant to laugh about, but finding
I developed a knack and I'm notthe only one, but I developed a
knack for finding ways to talkabout an issue with humor that
is appropriate and illuminating.
And so I eventually then alsoworked for a human rights
organization called Breakthroughthat worked primarily in the US
and India and their callingcard was pop culture driven
(04:53):
campaigns that encourage peopleto see a given human rights
issue as real and relevant andactionable.
So not something over therethat someone else's problem that
maybe you'll write a letterabout, but how am I?
Part of building a culture ofhuman rights and we use pop
culture stuff all the time.
I did I created a series ofcomedy shows called dudes
against violence against women,because duh, and you know we
were like finally I'll do lineupon purpose, you know, and so
(05:16):
that's super serious, you know,but we got a bunch of dudes on
stage really kind of owningtheir part in the culture that
creates that perpetuated genderbased, perpetuates gender based
violence, etc.
So I'm getting ahead of it.
But the point is this is, onceI kind of got my footing started
to get my footingprofessionally, I was able to
more deliberately bring togetherthe stuff that I love the most,
(05:37):
which was making the world abetter place and laughing.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
This is a really unique angle and I mentioned,
like when we were chattingquickly before before we got
rolling here.
I like this angle very muchbecause I work in communications
and as a communicator, likeI've often and I've and this is
how I talk like with mycolleagues I'm like I will often
use comedy as a segue in someinstances to try to, like you
(06:02):
know, level set or to ease intoa different topic or to, you
know, just to kind of break upthe mood, because I mean,
everything is always so seriousand especially in my industry,
like we're.
I mean it's very like tense andvery stressful, and I've used
it almost my entire life and Idon't know where I picked it up.
At some point I learned, likeyou can make someone laugh.
It sort of eases the tension alittle bit.
(06:22):
It kind of eases the tension alittle bit.
It kind of bursts the bubble alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, it really does and sorry go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, no, it's okay.
No, I want you to go, you usingcomedy to address topics that,
yes, it's really serious, it'sreally intense.
These topics get violentreactions from people.
People will.
I mean, I've had people thatI'm pre-interviewing for the
podcast and it won't even be afull topic conversation, but
people react really quickly andreally heatedly and I don't know
(06:51):
if that's just because oftoday's society and because of
how things are today, but I'vehad like really abrasive
reactions and I'm like you know,everyone's allowed to their
opinion on this show.
Like this is a safe space and Ithink that's what you're doing
here and I actually wanted toacknowledge and commend you for
that, because you're making itsafe to talk about.
You know, like it's you'remaking it like this doesn't have
(07:14):
to be taboo.
We can just talk about this andI love that because that's what
this podcast is here for.
Yeah, these topics that are notout there, that are related to
women, we don't have to not talkabout stuff.
We can talk about things inother ways and level the playing
field or level set with eachother.
So I love that you're doingthat.
That's really fantastic.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Thank you.
Well, three things.
One is thank you.
Well, four, one is thank you.
The second is I certainlythere's actually, at this point,
a lot of academic research intothe role of comedy and social
change.
So, like it's certainly notlike my own, you know, my own,
my own idea, you know, but I docare very much about it and find
it to be incredibly potent.
And I think the reason I thinka lot of times people think that
(07:56):
when you're bringing, whenyou're sort of stirring comedy
into something not funny, Ithink sometimes people think
it's just about like lighteningthe mood.
And I actually think it'sdeeper than that, because I
don't know, I'm not reallytalking about like hey, let's
make rape fun, you know, likethat's not like but so that's
not it at all.
But I think what happens is and,by the way, there is there's a
(08:17):
lot of great comedy about rapeculture and about which is fair
game.
Right, it's not side note, it'snot about making fun of the
thing, it's about finding thecomedy in the stuff around the
thing.
Whatever the bad thing is right, yeah, so in any case.
But what I think really is whyit's effective with your clients
(08:38):
or whoever is not that you'rejust laughing to.
It's not just the laughing thatis diffusing the tension.
It's like why are we laughingright now?
It's because when two peopleget the same joke, they're
connected.
You know, because I remember Iwas traveling in, for when I was
a journalist, I was travelingin in Newfoundland, one of my
(08:59):
favorite places on earth.
I remember it was finding out.
We were like up one night, youknow, drinking Canadian beer and
doing something I don'tremember what, and we're telling
jokes, and I wanted to tell ajoke.
You know that, like the jokesthat are like and they're very
offensive typically or let's putit this way they can be
offensive where you, you knowyou're like okay, you know, an
Italian, greek Polack, walk intoa bar, you know.
And so I asked I was going totell one like that, polack, walk
(09:20):
into a bar, you know.
And so I asked I was going totell one like that.
So I asked the people inNewfoundland, okay, so when you
make fun of another part ofCanada, which one is it?
Because I was going to makethat one the butt of the joke?
And they were likeNewfoundlanders.
And I was like, no, no, no, no.
What I mean is who were wemaking fun of here?
And they were like, oh, only inNewfoundland are people going
(09:43):
to get a joke.
So now I learned the culture isthat we make fun of
Newfoundlanders in Newfoundland.
Okay, Would not have known that.
So when you're in Newfoundlandyou're making jokes about
Newfoundlanders, you get, you'reconnected, you get it right.
You and I wouldn't get the jokeRight.
(10:03):
It's a long way of, if it's notovert is from the setup to the
punchline, and between the setupand the punch there's a twist.
Something unexpected happens.
The comic or the writer orwhoever makes you think they're
going in one direction and theypivot.
And so it's like you know, takemy wife, please.
You know.
Sexist, great joke, four words,amazing joke, right, penny
(10:26):
Edmund.
Sexist, great joke, four wordsamazing joke, right, and so if
you're going to be able tofollow the writer or the writing
or whatever from the setup allthe way around that curve to the
punchline, you guys are on thesame page because you are
getting the same joke.
So it's that moment ofconnection that is sort of
underlying just the kind ofopening a steam valve for
laughing, and so that's what Ithink is so powerful about those
(10:48):
moments and why they enablepeople to kind of let their
guards down and be like okay,all right, we're doing this.
When you add humor, to somethingthat they initially did not
want to be part of.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
maybe I never thought of it that way.
I've never thought of comedy inthat fashion.
And I have to tell you, I am aperson that, like at night, you
know, after the kids are in bed,my husband's always like, what
do you want to watch?
Like, what do you want?
And I always feel like I wantto watch something funny, like I
always want to watch somethingfunny, I always want to watch
comedy.
I'm not so serious, you know,all day long I have to worry
(11:18):
about, like my whole world andeveryone's world in my orbit,
Like so I like to just at atnight, laugh my ass off like I,
that's what I want to do.
And he's he's actually he'salways like oh, you know, he
wants to watch, he likes towatch uh, what is it?
Action movies, and I like thattoo.
But comedy is always my go-tobecause that's it does.
It feels cathartic, it feelslike a release.
(11:40):
When I get to laugh and welaugh so much here and I'm
always like really proud of thatbecause we joke around here at
my house, we tease each Like mykids will come up to me and be
like, mom, we're going to roastyou.
We have some jokes.
I'm like all right, let's hearit.
Go ahead and like my son likeconsistently is like doing
things like that.
My daughter's like, they alllike the joke and I encourage it
Cause I'm like, yeah, do itLike it's funny, you know, as
(12:02):
long as it's in good humor andit's something that, like, I'm
open to him, like, why not,right?
I do want to also commend you onsomething because you started
talking earlier about like youknow, when you were being
brought up, and like comedy,like filter house basically, and
that you made the through lineof like you followed your nose.
But I have to tell you, youknow you, following your
(12:22):
intuition and doing what you'redoing, you're, you're serving
such a larger purpose here withwhat you're doing.
Like this, just this isn't justcomedy, this is something so
much more, and I don't thinkcomedy ever is just comedy,
because there are so many topicsthat come up that you know, do
hit a nerve with some peopleLike I've watched comedy shows
on TV where you can hear theaudience audibly, like you know,
(12:44):
like, do one of those things.
If somebody says like somethingnot quite the right way,
there's definitely, I think, alot of talent and work that has
to come behind the comic, andI'm going to ask you about your,
your 10 years.
You said you did stand up.
Yeah, I mean, I rehearse forphone calls, so I can only
imagine the rehearsals that haveto take place to prepare
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yourself to have the rightfacial expression, body movement
, tone of voice.
All of those things are comingthrough in comedy and I don't
know if people realize, like,how complex it actually is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, and, frankly, most of the rehearsal happens on
stage.
You know, like you can learn to, you can learn to.
I'm not, I don't want to likecreate a fake hierarchy here,
but like you can learn to playpiano in your house, right, you
cannot become a standup in yourhouse.
I'm not saying that standup isharder than piano, I'm not
making a direct comparison, I'mjust talking about two different
kinds of art.
There are two different kinds ofart.
(13:39):
That's one.
The reason I kind of driftcan't be a standup Like there's
no, that's, there's no other wayto do it.
It's not possible.
It's like being a pilot andnever flying a plane.
You can't.
It's like you can say you're apilot but you're not.
(14:00):
If you're not in a plane, youknow you can have a pilot's
license but you're not pilot.
You know you're not piloting.
So I think that's what a lot ofpeople don't know is like when,
and not you, not you, but whenpeople say like I loved your
skit, you know.
Or or your routine, and it'slike girl, it's anything, but
you know.
(14:20):
And, of course, yes, you know,if you see a standup doing their
hour on remember premium blend,any standup on premium blend,
blend that is like they're doingit exactly the way they plant.
But that is because they haveworked on those bits of material
for years.
Yeah, and every time they geton stage, well, depending on
where they are, they do, um,they do some new stuff mixed in
(14:41):
with some anchor stuff andthey're always figuring out like
you know what?
I got to take a longer beat onthat, or, you know, maybe the
word kumquat would be funnierthan grapefruit.
You know, I don't know, likethey're always, always tweaking
as they go and so, and which Ilove.
So that's part of what I love,like love and loved about it.
But so that's and that's what,like, a lot of people do, stand
up and improv and there are alsopeople, like people like me,
(15:03):
who just I've done a littleimprov, but I can improvise,
like myself, you know, I can,sort of I can do it, I can.
You know, if I'm hostingsomething, it's easy for me to
just to sort of not prepare or,you know, underprepare and kind
of, yeah, I wouldn't, I don'twant to say it that way.
I don't need to do a lot ofprep.
I can be okay in the moment,but like on an improv team,
that's terrifying to me.
(15:24):
And a lot of improvisers whoare like I don't know how you
can get up there alone, you know.
So it's like it's just, youknow, everyone has their
different, yeah, their differentthings.
But I think the question youasked me that I didn't answer
yet is about gold comedy, which,as you correctly said, is
comedy school and a communityprofessional network and a
content studio where women andnon-binary folks launch and grow
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their careers, and the thingabout that is that's also the
social changing part is thatit's actually still not.
It's well, two things are trueat once.
They're exact opposites, andthey're both.
Oh, thank you.
There are two things are trueat once.
They are, and again, exactopposites.
One is that things are so muchbetter than they were in the
(16:06):
nineties, when I did stand upfor women and non-white dudes,
right, non-straight white dudes.
The other, the same thing isalso the opposite is also true.
It is terrible.
So, and they're both so like, solike, don't you know, don't be
like writing angry DMs to thepodcast, like it's both.
Okay, it's both.
It's like, hey, it's great outhere.
No, yes, it is.
(16:26):
Also it's terrible, and what Imean is that it's still not
weird, it's not unusual to bethe only woman in a lineup.
It's don't have all the behindthe scenes data to prove this,
but, like as with otherindustries, women work harder to
get to the same place.
Women work harder to get paid,half the, you know, 70%.
All that stuff is the same incomedy still, and there was just
(16:48):
a club in Boston, venerablecomedy club in Boston, that had
an all-women's night, which I'malso kind of sick of Like can
you just, we're just comics, canyou just, you know, just like?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
put us in regular.
It doesn't have to be.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, it's.
Also, it makes you the flyerthat was on Instagram.
This was not 1983.
Okay, this was this summer.
The flyer was the faces of thewomen, the real comics on,
photoshopped badly onto nakedBarbie dolls.
Are you kidding me?
You know, and people and one ofthe comics comics commented
(17:27):
that she liked it, which fine,that's okay.
I don't if it's your, if youlike it, that's fine.
But you know, first of all, butlike, that's not the point.
But they liked it.
No, that's not the point.
Like would you ever?
First of all, is it ever goingto be dudes night?
No, every night is dudes night,right?
Um, second of all, would youever, would it occur to you to
do that like with a bunch oflike naked Ken dolls?
That's what I think.
It wouldn't even.
(17:47):
It's not even.
There's no cultural attraction.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah.
Like what?
What's the logic behind that Ifit wasn't women?
Like why?
What?
Why Barbie dolls?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And you were just sending the message that you
were sending the message fromyour directly, from your club,
that you think women comics aredifferent, and I hate to the
word objectified is overused,I'm trying to avoid it but that
you don't think of them as realcomics and therefore I don't
also want to, and this is like avenerable club, you know.
So I'm not shocked because it'sold-fashioned, but still so
(18:16):
you're sending the message thatyou aren't interested in women
at all.
I'm not saying that's true, I'mjust because I don't know, I
don't know the mindset behind it.
I saying that's true, I'm justbecause I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't know the mindset behind it.
I'm just saying that's themessage.
No, you're right though,because it's.
I've pointed that out to myhusband a few few times, just
like because I have a deepappreciation for marketing.
Like I really like marketingand I like to look at what gets
put out into like the ether,like I like seeing stuff and
there are certain things thatwill come across.
And there's been ads like we'rewatching tv and these are ads
from like big major corporations.
(18:48):
And I'm like, oh ew.
And he's like what?
And I'm like, can you go back?
Like you know, now we canrewind commercials.
And I'm like, are you notgetting the undertones here?
And I'll like start pointingstuff out.
And he's like, oh yeah, I guess.
And I'm and I say to him, I'mlike it's this kind of thing
that like and and with theexample you provided, it's those
kinds of things that are, it'stone deaf, really.
(19:08):
And then it's also like thethought behind it, because it's
not just going out to like okay,maybe the comedians were fine
with it and maybe they approvedit and said it was all good with
them, that's fine, like that'sall good, but it's really like
the next layer of it, and somepeople, like even my husband,
will tell me, like, jen, likeyou're going too deep with that
or, you know, you're lookinginto that too far.
I'm not, though, because if youlook at movies and ads in the
(19:31):
eighties and nineties and earlytwo thousands, it's like
shocking.
And now I watch stuff and I'llbe like, oh yeah, I remember
this movie was funny and I'llput it on the TV and my kids
will be watching it.
And then I'm like, oh wait,this is like really offensive
Right.
We've done that so many timesand like okay yeah, I watch
stuff now and I'm like, oh shit,like this is like really
(19:52):
inappropriate and reallyoffensive, and I'm like damn.
And my kids are like this isfunny.
And I'm like, oh no, it's not.
Yeah, I was gonna change it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
I know well my kids, like they, they're 16 and 18 now
but when they still tease usbecause we pretty much let them
watch anything, but the deal wasthat they had to let us pause,
you know.
So we'd be watching and I'd belike, okay, pause.
And then my, you know, my kidwould be like mom, I know what
slut shaming is, you know, yeah,look at Lynn.
Okay, then we'll proceed withDirty Dancing, but like I mean,
this is, I mean this is why thisis the whole thing, this is why
(20:28):
it matters From day to day.
The idea is we are going to.
Comedy is hard for everyone.
Comedy is hard for thestraightest, whitest, you know,
dude is dude, right, it's hardfor everyone.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but it's stillharder for people who are not
the straightest whitest, cisestdude, and so I would like to
make it easier, I would like tohelp make it easier for the
people for whom it is still hard, because they still get their
picture on a naked Barbie, right, and so that's the thing, like
(20:52):
full stop.
If that's all we were doing,full stop, that would be great.
But the interesting thing, Ithink the sort of like the big,
you know, the big vision, iswell what happens when we help
that many more people who areoutside the comedy norm become
successful comedians in whateverwe do everything.
So, whether it means they, youknow, they get into the writer's
room at john oliver, which, bythe way, is a bad example
(21:14):
because their writer's room ishas historically been very
diverse and fantastic.
But whatever they get intowriter's rooms, they get into,
they got on stage, they get,they do solo shows, they produce
things, they, you know, they'rebehind the camera.
There's so many, and even youmentioned commercials, side note
, men are still two or threetimes more likely than women to
be the funny one in commercials,and also four to five people
(21:36):
consumers prefer their brands tobe funny, which is a whole
other topic.
That's interesting, becauseit's not because they want their
brands to be entertaining.
The idea is that funny brandsinspire trust.
Yeah, but that's also what yousaid.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Their brands to be entertaining.
The idea is that funny brandsinspire trust.
Yeah, but that's also what yousaid.
But that makes sense, right?
It makes sense For what yousaid earlier.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So I'm also including , like women who are like
writing commercials, so you'renot like, so it's not like that
same damn commercial with, likethe dude messing up the laundry
and the woman going, hmm, Q,whatever.
So the point is, in theaggregate, when the vision here
is, if we're able to kind ofshove that many more people who
represent some sort of diversityinto the industry, then we make
(22:16):
it.
It's going to sound theopposite, but we make it not
that interesting for someone tobe different and we normalize.
That's the whole thing aboutusing culture to change culture,
which my old organization usedto say we make it, we normalize
all sorts of different faces,voices, et cetera in comedy.
That's better for the industry,it's better for the product, as
(22:39):
is true in any industry.
And then also bringing it backto the very beginning, yeah,
comedy matters because comedyhelps define what's normal, it
helps define points of view, ithelps define power structures,
and so the more we can nevermindif the comic themselves is
(22:59):
talking about an issue, doesn'tmatter, they could be slipping
on a banana peel.
But the but.
The more we normalize differentdifference in comedy, the
better we all are, the bettercomedy is and the more power we
give to those, you know,overused word, but
underrepresented points of view,and we were.
You know, we're all better forit and that's why you know.
(23:20):
So, if we make, when you makepeople laugh, you make people
listen great.
Let's build a world thatlistens to more different people
.
Yeah, and so that's the big.
You know, that's the sort ofbig I would like to contribute.
Gold can't do it by itself, butI would like to contribute to
that kind of change.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
If someone listening here is saying like you know
what this actually sounds like,something I'd be interested in
I'm going to pull the website upagainst gold comedy.
How would that work?
Would they just go to thewebsite and contact you there?
It's like a sign.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
yeah, yeah, um it.
So, with a few exceptions, thattypically the way we work is we
have a core community and soinstead of this is unusual
instead of paying typically,instead of paying class by class
and just like just you know,taking one class after another,
just taking one class andleaving whatever we operate on a
membership basis.
So you join for the year andtypically people stay two or
(24:09):
more years because when you join, you get not only unlimited
access to all the classes weoffer in what we call the club,
so you can take all the classes.
You can take all the classesmore than once People do that
also you get access to.
We have super friendly, open.
It's mostly online, so you canbe wherever you are.
Oh, that's perfect oh awesomewhich, yes, you can do comedy
(24:30):
online.
We've all learned that, we knewit before the pandemic, but now
we really know it and you haveaccess to super friendly open
mics on Monday, celebrity andpro speaker series on Wednesdays
a constant rotation of classeswe have right now we have sketch
writing going and stand up.
We have sketch bootcamphappening right now.
Stand-up Bootcamp starts nextweek.
We have we're teaching a wholeclass on how to edit for comedy,
(24:52):
how to edit digital video forcomedy, which, ps, you know, snl
just disbanded its sketch team.
Please don't destroy becauseone of the dudes is now a cast
member.
So now it's an opportunity forSNL, who has had historically
very funny digital sketch teamsand they have been 100 white
dudes which like what, how andgold has eight, uh, six digital
(25:15):
sketch teams making funnysketches.
Wow.
And you have to.
That's a selective process thathappens once a year.
We have seasons, um, but.
But you can also, if you wantto, if you want to be on a
sketch team but you don't have alot of experience that you can
also join and take all of oursketch classes and do all of our
sketch workshops and learn howto edit, learn how to produce
(25:35):
and learn how to do lighting,and learn how to do sound, and
learn how to do all those things, because you need that and then
put yourself in a position tobe on one of our teams.
We are definitely we're verywelcoming to novices.
We have people, you know, withtons of experience, who are
leveling.
The point is, you can level upfrom wherever you are, so you
don't have to be, you know, youdon't have to like there's
(25:57):
nothing.
There's no such thing as like,well, I'm not ready yet.
No, you're right.
Like wherever you are, you'reready.
And we have people who started,you know, in started there's.
I'm thinking of one woman namedRocky who started comedy as her
third career Well, second and ahalf.
She was a high school artteacher and also a volunteer
firefighter and now she, eventhough she is still taken care
(26:18):
of her son, has extra needs andshe takes care of her
grandchildren, but she reallywent all in on comedy with Gold
and she lives in North Carolinaand just this week I finally met
her because she and four otherGoldies were part of a solo show
festival.
That one of our instructors,iris Barr, who was also like
super famous and very cool shewas, I can tell you she was, but
(26:39):
she actually Iris couldn't beat her own festival because
she's shooting an Amazon onPrime series in, as it turns out
, in New Mexico this week, soIris couldn't be there, but
anyway.
So Rocky came from, juststarted stand-up with us and now
had her own show in New YorkCity the last couple of days as
part of this festival downtown.
So in any case, so Rocky startedwith just the will to do it, so
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anybody can give it a whirl andwe do.
We take it very seriously.
But we're really nice and so wemake it.
So you don't have to.
So you don't have to like, showup at Mike's with where you're
the only, you know, 35 year old,40 year old woman with a bunch
of white dudes, with hoodies andbackpacks, like, and again,
maybe they're very nice, I'msure you know, I know you're
(27:26):
talking about, though, becauseit's really it is intimidating.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's intimidating in any industry and you know, like
I see it on the corporate side,so that is intimidating to be
like as you were talking.
So, listeners, I'm going tolink Gold Comedy, the website,
into the description for thevideo, for the podcast, so you
guys can check it out, becausewe do have listeners across the
US, across the globe, it'sinternational.
(27:49):
So I would love for you guys tocheck it out, because we do
have listeners across the US,across the globe, it's
international.
So I would love for you guys tocheck it out.
But what I'm getting at here isthat, like as you were talking,
and I'm like wow, I'm like youknow, anyone could start, like
anyone could get into this, andthen I was imagining myself
doing it and I was like I, Iwould be terrified.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But that's the thing where, yeah, we're so nice.
So we, you know, we really giveyou and even I'm not even sure
that like a room full of 25 yearold white dudes is intimidating
they just might not be yourpeople, right, they might, they
might, who knows?
But they might not like.
We're your people, and itdoesn't mean that we're not
diverse, we are.
It doesn't mean that we haveone point of view or one type of
joke or like women, am I right?
(28:22):
We're not that and we're noteven a hundred percent women,
because we're just 100% women,because we're just, but we're
just nice, yeah, so it's areally safe space also, even if
you're in the middle of yourcareer, ever, you know, just to
find your people make funnystuff, just like, let's do this
and there's no, it's just wejust get to focus on the funny
stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I like it too because healing is that laughing and
laughing is such a healing thingfor the body and like there's
been actual, like legitimatecases where people laugh
themselves into a cure.
And it sounds kind of nuts tosay it, but I've, I've, I've
heard it, I've read it, likeI've read the research on it,
and it does have an impact.
That's why, again, like I said,like we laugh a lot in my house
(29:04):
and I like that because thatreally like brings this other
energy to it.
So I think you, creating thissafe space for people to come
and practice their craft andeven if they decide, like, not
to go too far with it or if theyjust want to, you know, stay
within goals, like you know, atleast you're leveraging a part
of your creative, yourcreativity.
That's like also feeding yoursoul, which also I heard a lot
(29:27):
in what you were talking aboutthis morning, lynn.
Your energy and the way thatyou're talking about this space
is very much like it's somethingthat well one.
It sounds like it was somethingyou were meant to be doing.
So it like that in itself islike a big deal, because so many
women like myself included,like I've talked on other
episodes about, like how I wasreally lost and like what I was
(29:47):
trying to do with myself andwhat was making me happy until I
was, like in my late 30s.
A lot of women come on here andsay that like they hit like a
fork in the road, or they hitthis moment where they're like,
oh my God, like I'm not happywith anything I'm doing, like I
need to pivot, and you've madethat.
You like blazed that path.
So I think that's reallyawesome, that you've taken this
route.
(30:10):
And now you founded gold comedy,which is helping other people
to step into that framework andknow, like, oh, this is the same
space, like I can practice, andbecause it's online and because
it's virtual, across the world,people can tap into this and
say, like I'd really like to getinto this.
I don't know what to do.
I'm starting out brand new.
Like where, where am I startingfrom?
So this is such a great servicethat you're providing people to
come together also as well,because even you know, like for
(30:31):
I use the podcast as an examplebecause of this podcast, I've
gotten this like great tribe ofwomen that now I'm in contact
with all the time to be like, oh, just checking in which when,
by the way, I do do that to allthe guests.
Just good, good that's greatradically whenever it pops into
my head.
I'm like I haven't talked withlynn or I haven't talked with
so-and-so in a while and I'lljust like shoot a note and be
like hey, like just checking in,like I hope everything's well.
(30:53):
You know it's creating thatcommunity is also like
incredibly important, which islacking a lot in today's world.
Everyone's very like siloed athome just with a device, and
this opens up a little bit morefor folks.
So I think this is such a greatservice that you're providing.
Is there any thing that youwould like to leave the
listeners with?
Any final thoughts that reallyresonate with you that you want
(31:16):
people to hear?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, this is a plug for something we do at Gold, but
I'm saying it specificallybecause I think it makes people
go oh, I could do that.
And that is the following wealso have a class called build
and pitch or, depending on howmuch space we have, build and
pitch any idea, or develop andpitch any idea, and it's taught
by Ryan Cunningham, who isamazing.
(31:39):
She was a producer on BroadCity Search Party, amy Schumer
like she's got the credentialsand what she does.
This is a premium class that wehave that we offer about once a
quarter, where she takes youwhatever idea you have Could be
for a TV show, could be for apodcast, could be for a film,
could be for a web seriestypically TV shows, but not
(31:59):
necessarily.
You can have the tiniest littleseedling of an idea, like my
family's a dentist.
There's probably somethingfunny.
There Could be as much as youshow up with and in 12 weeks you
, through her magical process,you come out on the 12th week
ready to pitch your show tothree TV executives, just who
have been in the business for awhile.
It's not a real pitch, butthings do come out of this where
(32:23):
you are ready to give anindustry standard practice
polish pitch for your show thathas come from may have come from
nothing but an idea.
And what is kind of magicalabout this class?
And, by the way, shows do go onfrom this class to get into
development, turn into a webseries, which we have one now
(32:45):
out there called Ratzar, thatstarted in this class.
That's fully produced and doneout there in the world.
Others are in development.
The reason I'm mentioning it nowis that a wide range of people
do take this class, but to methe most kind of juicy
population who takes this classare women who are successfully
in their own, successful intheir own careers, whether those
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careers are entertainmentrelated or not, who have this
idea for a thing that they can'tstop thinking about, and
whether it's like post COVID orwhether it's like empty nest,
like whatever it is, they'relike I'm doing this and they're
very, very serious.
They buckle down, they get thejob done and they really have
(33:25):
magic happen by just finallylearning this skill of this
formula, this process ofcommunicating this thing that is
so important to them, gettingit out of their head, out of a
drawer, off their heart, into aformat that can connect with
people who can help them make ithappen.
There's a Billy who is a is apublic health and she works in
(33:49):
public health.
Just teenage kids wrote a showcalled and I'm going to swear
because it's the best title inthe world wrote a show called
Bad Shit Debbie.
That is now that's looselyautobiographical about her ADHD
et cetera.
That's now in development inCanada that she did in this.
So these are people like you andme know, who are successful in
(34:10):
something, maybe entertainmentrelated or not.
Some of them one of them issomeone taking it now is a
veterinary oncology surgeonworking on the show that she had
, that she has on her heart, andso it really is transformative
for people not just to producethis thing but to know that they
can and to have it out in theworld and really be a thing and
not just an idea like I shoulddo that, I should do that, I
(34:35):
should do that, I should do that.
And so it's particularly thissort of population of women in
their 50s who really make thatmagic happen in this show.
So in this class.
I just want to say that becausepeople you think of like the
comedy they oh, I have to go bea stand up or comedy, oh, I have
to.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm glad you said that and I'm sorry to interject.
I'm glad you said that and I'msorry to interject.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
That's fine, go for it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I'm glad you said that, because that's literally
exactly what I had.
I was like, oh, okay, so goldcomedy, like you're gonna go
online, you shouldn't takevirtual classes.
This is just strictly stand-upor just like yeah, like
basically fine-tuning your craftor what you know, make sure you
have like your content foreverything, but what you're
doing now, you're what you'resaying now, actually so much
more.
So gold comedy is not juststand up, we're talking about.
(35:11):
You're pulling people togetherand you're offering courses like
this.
This is that's actually reallybig.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So that's what no one else does that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So if you become that no, that's a huge, honestly,
like you just like my ears likeperked up because there's a lot
of folks that have come on thisshow that would be highly
interested in that.
So I'm I am going to want to getmore information from you on,
like when that is coming around,because I'd like to share that
with some of my former guestsbecause they would be like,
(35:40):
incredibly interested.
There's been a lot of writersthat have come on here that have
stories already that are readyto go.
There's a woman that came on acouple of seasons back and she
shared her menopause story andshe put it into a book and it
was incredible, like I wascrying reading her book the
whole time and I'm like thiscould be something that would
really help other women if itreally got to like mass market.
(36:01):
So that's huge.
So if somebody, somebody signedup, let's say, like for the
annual plan I pulled up yourwebsite, by the way, while
you're talking.
When you, as soon as you starttalking about this, I was like,
oh my God, what did I miss?
This is huge.
So you'd sign up for like ayear membership and then you
gain access to these kinds ofcourses to help typically.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, it's either.
Typically people get joined forthe year and then they have all
of almost all of the classesincluded, except our premium
classes, which are more in-depth, like focused, longer and
typically organized around, likethis class.
The pitching class is actuallylike a college level class that
Ryan developed in a collegesetting that now she's exported
(36:42):
to us.
So if you're a member, thepremium classes are discounted
for you.
If you join through a premiumclass, you also get included in
the tuition is your first yearof gold.
So when you join a premiumclass, you also get access.
It's just basically two doorsinto the same place.
Yeah, so it depends on what yourinterests and needs are, but
(37:02):
it's all on our website.
I just opened enrollment forRyan's class for November,
december, november Anyway, latefall.
And for your listeners, if youDM me at gold comedy or at Lynn
Harris and tell me that you wantto either join the club or take
a class, I will.
I'll hook you up with adiscount code If you just tell
me that you heard me on thispodcast 10% discount.
(37:24):
Yeah, that's not nothing,especially with the premium
classes.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So yeah, that's awesome 10% off for your
listeners.
For that you kind of you gotlike my creative brain going
like, by the way, it was firingso hard just now.
I got so excited.
So I mean thank you for that.
Thank you for giving me yourtime this morning.
I really appreciate sharing allthis.
Listeners, I'm going to linkgold comedy in the description
here so you can check out thewebsite too and check out the
(37:48):
courses that are available.
I was already scanning throughthem.
And then, lynn, let's connecton you know the class that you
were just talking about, thepitch class, because I would
love to hear more about that.
Listeners and viewers, thankyou so much for being here with
us this morning.
We appreciate you.
Excuse me, early morning frogin my throat and we will catch
you on the next one, take care.
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