May 9, 2023 • 21 mins
Uhler and Moats open the Blitz looking at some of the other draft classes and offseason moves around the AFC and AFC North.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
The Good Hair.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And with that being said, my good hair friend, it's
always good to see man, get to connect with you.
Oh wait, good, you know what I'm saying. Man, it's
been it's been a little while. Man. You know you
teased me last week we pulled up. We got a
chance to do this in person. Felt good to get
that blow back, yes, but now but now we're back
to the virtual element, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
The twenty twenty three style, right, you.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Know, you know, so so all good, all good man.
But today, man, we do have an interesting thing we're
gonna talk about because we obviously know the draft just
ended and we reacted to our class and we talked
about that, you know, the pigs and stuff like that.
We felt really good about our class, really strong about it.
But it's also important for us to look around the
division and see what the opponents, the opposition, the non
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good guys, what they were able to accomplish in the
draft as well, because, like we already know, it's new
cast of characters coming in here, man, but it's still
going to be the exact same mentality, the exact same
goal for us, which is to dominate this division, and
that is something that we have been able to consistently do.
So with that being the case, I figured we would
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start with them bums, you know, you know them them
bums in Baltimore, you know them rat birds, you know
you know them things? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. They were purple,
but not Janue purple, like like that team, not.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The good purple, right, you know, not the Lakers. Not
the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Purple shout out to them Lakers. Right three one, Holla
is getting really interested in the most household. My wife
is a Warriors fan, and I love Lebron with the
capital L. So yeah, man, yeah, it is really really
really interesting in the most also right now, man, yep, hey, at.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Least you winning though, right, I.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Mean, you know how it goes, man, I'm winning in
certain things. I'm losing in other things, But sacrifices must
be made for the detoman of the team.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's like, you know, there was some there was some.
There were some tough moments in the Euler household when
the Penguins and the Flyers had, you know, some of
those playoff series. But as long as you on the
winning side, it's a little bit easier to navigate those waters.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I tell you, hey, man, I just got to work
on being humble in victory. That's that's what.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You gotta be a good winner, you know, you gotta
be Everyone says you gotta be a good loser, right,
but you also got to be a good winner.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You know. You know, I've had a good amount of
practice at it, so I'm getting kind of good at
this thing. But yeah, you know how it goes, man,
you know how it goes. But to start this thing off, man,
we do want to start with the Baltimore Ravens and
just kind of looking at what they were able to
accomplish in their draft. So for them, in the first round,
they went with Ze Flowers, the wide receiver out of
Boston College.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Then in the third round, Trenton Simpson, the LB from Clinton,
fourth rounding with Tvius Robinson, the addresser out of oh This,
and then the fifth round Cayu blow Kelly the corner
out of Stanford. Then in the sixth round they went
with salah amave Lalu and then in the seventh Andre Woar.
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He's the interior offense alignment out of US. So I
didn't want to allow you to you know what I'm saying,
get your your feelings off first before I get in
here and start talking, you know, talking. I'll get along
one day that time talking, you know, because the series.
You know, like I said, man, me and wife, you
don't talk as much right now because of the three
one situation we got going.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You gotta get out something, you know, So so I
talk to you a lot, you know, kids are still
in school. You can't just sit around and talk to
the kids all day.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I talked to my dogs. The dogs look at me.
They don't never say nothing back. They're like, bro, why
are you talking to you? You know, we don't speak
that language. Like it's one of them digs. They be like,
who's Lebron? That's why they keeps it who's that guy?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Because I keeps got another another dog from down the
street that we got beaten, you know what.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm saying, Like, I'm like, he might join the family.
Might be three of y'all working around here, that little
Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
H Yeah, Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I'll tell you what interesting draft class in the sense
of feels like this happens a lot. But yeah, a
lot of the guys that we discussed in Steelers Circle
end up as Ravens. I'm sure if you know, in
another alternate in another alternate universe, if you and I
were rat birds and we were doing Ratbird Nation Radio,
we'd probably say the same thing about the Steelers, right, Like,
they end up with a lot of guys that we
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talk about in Ravens Circles. Because I think it is
two organizations that you know, for the most part, traditionally
have wanted to win the same way. You know, they
want to be strong in the trenches. They want to
be able to run the ball, they want to be
able to play elite defense. They have a lot of
the same philosophies. Organizationally, I think is the right way
to put that. And so that feels like it always
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shines through in the draft, and it certainly did in
twenty twenty three as well too. Zay Flowers, who certainly
could be the best wide receiver in this draft. I
don't think that would surprise many of us. I know,
I think he is was your number one. Yeah, I
still I think I still like j. S n a
little bit more. But he was my number two because
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and you know he and he plays his brother plays
for the Pirates in this city.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Were family ties, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I like, but I like Flowers though, like I give
my White Flowers, Like everybody likes nice guy man. So
anytime I see Flowers, I'm just like, I like him
a lot more. So.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
They don't have a second round pick, but they end
up with Trenton Simpson, who if he would have been
a late second rounder. I don't think a lot of
people would have been shocked by that. They kind of
got him right in that day to range where he
was mocked. So no second rounder. But if you come
away with your first two picks being Zay Flowers and
Trenton Simpson, I think those will both be guys that
will be able to contribute for you this season. And
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that's you know what you really want from those guys
on your first and second day there, they had some
depth on the edge, they had a couple of guys
on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
They blue you.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Blue, I do like all name team. And he went
to Stanford two. So you know, he's probably sad, he's
probably really smart.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I tell you, hey, man winning he's probably.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He's probably wicked smart, I tell you yeah. And then
Andrew voorhe's the guy that you and I discussed as
well too, who would have probably been a Day.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Two easily easily day two if he didn't turn around
tight your talent man correct.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
If he didn't have a you know, major major knee
injury at the very end of USC season.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So well, I mean, shoot, because none, if I'm correctly,
wasn't he the one at the combine didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He Sorry, the combine, that's right, that's right. Sorry, it
was a combine, yah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It was the combine.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, like very first few days in March, so like right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Away from the draft, you know, because with injury, he
was definitely one of those guys that was projected to
be potential second third. I remember, you know, even us
talking about him going into the combine when offense lineman
came in there because of how talented he was versatile
both guards place. But for him to tear the ACL
at the combine. But I remember this about him. He
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came back the next day and set the right bench
high for the bench press. It's like thirty eight or
thirty nine reps something like that. So I do I
love that type of mod style. That's the toughness and
just like you said, the mentality man of yes, did
I get delivered a poop sandwich the day before? Absolutely?
You tell your ACL man, that's a terrible thing. You
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take a sale a month before the biggest job opportunity
in the world for you, Yes, man, you might be
on suicide Watch, no pun intended. But for him to say,
you know what, I'm gonna be able to lock in
take this negative situation and turn it into a positive
god and do what he did on the bench press.
That probably is a big reason why Baltimore was so
intrigued about him, because, you know, the talent, if he's healthy,
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the talent speaks for himself. But now you get a
chance to see what he's made of, what his mentality
is when he's faced with adversity. And to me, man,
this is one of those picks that I hate the
fact I'm talking about Baltimore like this because it's Baltimore, Baltimore.
Where is that even that you know both.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Of it doesn't even matter, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But it's like when when I think of you know,
that mentality, that type of talent and he's going to
be sitting on the shelf for a year just getting
back ready, that's one of those ones worst potential still
of the draft type energy because of how talented he
was prior to the injury. Like, I like this a lot,
and it's rare you see, you know, teams do this.
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We talked Jalen Smith when he came out blew his
knee out in the uh the right and we knew
that the Cowboys took him let him sit for a year.
We experienced that to an ex well, no, not even
to the same extent with Seawan Smith because Seawn was
already on our roster and got hurt in the preseason
and that was ultimately why he said. So even that
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scenario was different. Willis mcgahe's probably another guy where we've
seen serious injury late let him sit for a year.
But to me, man, when you think about those instances,
they did work out, and for Baltimore, this isn't the
first time we've seen them take a Loilway purchase on
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the offensive lineman. Jawan James was at two three years
ago Denver Broncos Blues Achilles out playing basketball fresh off
the contract they cut him. Baltimore claims never forget that,
and then he came out and actually, you know, was
their starter a year after that once he recovered. So
you know, they kind of already have this type of
like process in place. They've already shown that they can
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have success with this. So I really really liked that
pick of this draft.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Man. Yeah, I agree, it's a true I mean, it's
gonna be a true red shirt year for Andrew Vorhees, right,
I mean, as you mentioned, he just had major major
injury in March. So I mean, and that's a nine
to twelve anyway, that's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I liked it the six, but it's nine to twelve.
We saw that with Devin. We've seen that league wide, right.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Like, best case, best case scenario's ready around Christmas, But
you're really going to rush him back for two weeks
of football at that point, No, you're you're you're gonna
be extra cautious with him unless he has some miraculous
type unforeseen recovery.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But you're right, it's about nine months.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Circumstances have to make sense, right in the sense of
number one year still competitive enough where you're in contention,
but number two, you got a big enough issue in
your offensive line that you're actually willing to put him
out there and risk that as well too. So how
does that like that? It seems like a conundrum even
talking about it in that vein of you're that good,
but this is your biggest flaw and this is going
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to justify taking this guy, like.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Right, if he ends if he ends up getting a
helmet at some point this year, they probably just had
a disaster of injuries on that offensive line. Like they've
had a liit of bad luck on that offense.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Just like that, that's bad all around. But I do
not I do love the overall direction of the Baltimore
is going with their line. You talk about the Tyler
Linda Bond pick a year ago, we saw the dividends
that pay. We witnessed that first hand, how impacted us.
So now to pick up Andrew Voorhees, even though it's
going to be an offset year for him, Sure, that's
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just one of those ones where you can see what
they're trying to do, very similar to what we've done
this year. We revamped our situation on the offensive line
a year or two removed from it being, you know,
viewed as one of the worst in the league. What
we think about where that Baltimore offensive line was two
years ago, Like like we laughed at how our situation was,
but let's let's be transparent here, man, if we're going
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to be accountable to all old things that we talk about,
Baltimore offense line was very simil our offense line, man.
In fact, one of their starters was one of the
guys that we moved on from correct So to see
where they start to transition this thing to you can
see where they're trying to revamp their offense line. And
like I said, follow suit. I mean, you hit the
nail right on the head when you talked about it earlier.
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We do a lot of things very similar to each other.
I'm just glad this isn't rap ordination radio.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
In an alternate timeline, Arthur Motes and I are broadcasting
from somewhere in Maryland with a bunch of a bunch
of old bay and our tummies and that nasty flag
pattern that would probably be wearing his shorts and a
hat and a T shirt and we'd have those stickers
all over our car of that flag that looks like
my eight.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
But and you know, like I.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Always have to say, the best, the best, the best
pint of Guinness you can get outside of Ireland is
in Baltimore, Maryland at the Guinness at the Guinness burs
So they do him a couple of things going for him, but.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
They and they got the still a nation radio stealers.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Blitz they got.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
But like listen, I think, especially when you consider just
they didn't have a second round pick, like it's a
it's a nice draft hall for Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I think they got a guy on each side of
the football and Zay Flowers and Trenton Simpson that can
help right away. I think they've got good I say,
project guys like I mean not respectfully, like not guys
that are gonna walk you know, just walk in on
day one right away, but guys that you could see
a potential career there, yea, and in Tavious Robinson and
Andrew Voorhees and and Kyu Blue.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I think as well too. It's it's it's a nice
haul for Baltimore. It is.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And I think you know, you've seen they they haven't
gotten quite the love that the Steelers have, But I
think nationally most people agree that, you know, with the
capital that they had only six draft picks for Baltimore,
no second rounder, they were still able to come away
with a pretty decent haul.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No without a doubt, man, Yeah, uh huh uh huh.
But enough about the rat Birds, enough about them now.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, hold on, let me go get the mouthwashed real quick,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
So now we're gonna go take that short little car ride.
We're gonna go, you know, oh with the erie. Okay,
we're gonna end on up in Cleveland, now thin, yeah,
I think that's how you get there. Okay, it's something
like that, something like that. But with the Cleveland Browns,
we know their situation was, oh no, no, no, no, no
no no no no no, no, no. We gotta started Cincinnati.
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It's alphabetical. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I was gonna say, if you want to do alphabetical,
you go since it. But listen your host, so.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
You can do what you want to. I want to
do alphabetical.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So we're going to Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know they're used to being last.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So yeah, so instead of driving, we're gonna take a
quick flight. Okay, we'll take a quick little flight. We're
gonna land in Cincinnati real quick. All right, we just
landed here, all right, all right, where's the skyline at? Okay,
there we go. I see your baby. Okay, all right,
now we're here. Now we're good. So over in Cincinnati
with the bean gals riding on the escaloser, make sure
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I get all the subliminal jabs in there, okay, okay, alright,
So they had another I ain't gonna lie kind of
like they draft. So they went Miles Murphy the address
out of Clemson in the first round. Then in the
second round went with DJ Turner, the lightning quick corner
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from Michigan. Third round they went with Jordan Battle and
named that is very familiar Outabama safety forefront, they went
with Charlie Jones, the wide receiver out of Purdue. Then
in the fifth they went with Chase Brown, the running
back from Illinois. And then in the sixth Andre la Savas,
who's the wide receiver out of Princeton. And then they
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went with the punter out of Michigan in the sixth round,
the second sixth round pick, Brad Robbins. And then after
that to wrap it up in the seven they went
with DJ Idy, the corner out of Miami. The You
you another.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Big, big school draft, much like the Steelers. Yeah, I
mean you get the Princeton wide receiver and Andre los Sevillas.
You said it much better than I did. But everyone
else in this Clemson, Michigan, Alabama, Perdue, Illinois, Michigan, Miami,
your big SEC, big ten ACC guys. But the Bengal right, Mozi,
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I mean the Bengals did what the Bengals do. They're
I mean, if you think historically the Steelers have been
vanilla on Draft Day. You know that they and I
know this is funny having this conversation when they just
moved up a few picks in the first round. But
like a lot of times people, you know, the Steelers
are traditional. The Steelers stay with their draft picks. They
keep their draft picks, they use their draft picks, and
that's obviously been the case for the most part.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
There's the exceptions.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
There's the Broderick Jones in the in the Terrey, Paula
Malos and Santonio Holmes and Devin Bush and all that, certainly,
but traditionally the Steelers stay put. Even more so the Bengals,
man like, they get there, they get their picks, they
hold on to them, they don't trade them, and they
take they take the guys that are available to them,
where they select Miles Murphy in the first round, DJ
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Turner in the second round, Jordan Battle in the third round. Again,
I think all guys that we had in Steeler type conversation,
and I think to Mozy, the theme of the Bengals draft,
I think you and I might I think I might
have said this last week, but it always bears repeating.
They for so long Cincinnati had a cheap offense with
a lot of guys rookie contracts, right, the Burrows and the.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Chases, the Haiggins and those guys.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Right, and then they loaded up on defense and free
agency and spend some money on that defense. Well, now
they've lost some of those guys on defense to free
agency and they're about that pendulum is about to swing
back to where they're gonna have to spend money on
the offensive side of the football. So what do you
do because of that? Your first three picks in the
draft are all defensive guys because you're going to need
cheap but almost.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Talent, almost like the over compensation. We got to correct
the market.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's correct one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And it's you know, it's again that you look back
at their drafts four or five years ago. They're drafting
heavy on offense, they're signing their signing free agency, is
spending money on defense that way?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And I was way a little bit And I would
say the one thing that I do want to give
since Daddy credit for because a lot of teams take
this approach, but not everybody has a success. They hit
on a Joe Burrow, they hit on a Jamar Chase,
They've hit on a t Higgins, you know what I mean.
So it's like they've hit on a Joe Maxon. If
you're gonna take this approach, you got to hit now.
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They missed on a Jonah William Right. You can make
a case that that's the dud right now, right, But
that to me is the big difference between how Cincinnati
has changed their fortune to be AFC Championship, Super Bowl
back to back, whereas you think about Cleveland and they've
been one of those things that's had a litany of
early picks where they've invested on offense at quarterback and
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wide receiver, but they've missed. They haven't got the Joe Burrow,
they haven't got the Jamar Chase, they haven't found the
T Higgins. Heck, you can make a case that until
Mary Cooper got there, they didn't even have the Tyler Boyd.
So with it's just like, man, as much as I
don't like to compliment the Bengals, I do feel like
in that vein, you know, they've done a pretty dope
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job of being able to actually get good plays. Yeah,
that they're drafting that hot man.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Listen, there's very few exceptions of all this team didn't
draft well, but they still went to a Super Bowl
and are going to AFC champion, Like you could say
the Rams, but they drafted Aaron Donald the ram did
you know what I mean? They they like a lot
of those guys I'm drawing a blank now and on
some of the other key contributors. But they did draft
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Cooper Cup They drafted right like.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Cooper cut was drafted, Todd Grilly was drafted. Rafted. Yeah.
Shoot when they first when they first went to the
Super Bowl, Jared Goff was drafting.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Goff was drafted.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
They had the Ramseys that they traded for and the
Von Millers, you know, and and guys like Andrew Whitworth
who they brought in, the veterans.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They but they went they went to the first one
home grown. They won the second though.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
With being yeah, with that that base built already and
then you kind of add on top of it, which
I think is kind of the ideal scenario for for
a lot of this roster building stuff. But yeah, the Bengals, Uh,
they've been solid in that department, They certainly have, but
they lose a couple of key contributors on the defensive
side of the football. You see them attack that here
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in the draft. I think it makes a lot of sense.
And and again they they picked us straight through right,
I mean for second, third, fourth, fifth, round two, and
the six because they have the comp pick their seventh
round pick, eight picks in total. And it's a it's
a very it's a very Bengals esque draft from Cincinnati.
And like you said, any I don't care. I mean,
everybody has their misses in the draft.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It happens.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
But over the last four or five years, man, it's
been tough to it's been tough to pull out the
bungle on draft day because they've they've done a pretty
good job here so far.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, not without a doubt, man, without a doubt, But
they're not the all the ones done a good job.
You've done a good job of taking this right down
to the break. So with that being the case, we
are gonna take our first right. But when we come back,
we're gonna continue looking at some of the AFC North
and with these other teams that have done with the draft.
So don't test that doubts are the most It's West
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
The Good Hair.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And with that being said, my good hair friend, it's
always good to see man, get to connect with you.
Oh wait, good, you know what I'm saying. Man, it's
been it's been a little while. Man. You know you
teased me last week we pulled up. We got a
chance to do this in person. Felt good to get
that blow back, yes, but now but now we're back
to the virtual element, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
The twenty twenty three style, right, you.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Know, you know, so so all good, all good man.
But today, man, we do have an interesting thing we're
gonna talk about because we obviously know the draft just
ended and we reacted to our class and we talked
about that, you know, the pigs and stuff like that.
We felt really good about our class, really strong about it.
But it's also important for us to look around the
division and see what the opponents, the opposition, the non
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good guys, what they were able to accomplish in the
draft as well, because, like we already know, it's new
cast of characters coming in here, man, but it's still
going to be the exact same mentality, the exact same
goal for us, which is to dominate this division, and
that is something that we have been able to consistently do.
So with that being the case, I figured we would
(02:29):
start with them bums, you know, you know them them
bums in Baltimore, you know them rat birds, you know
you know them things? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. They were purple,
but not Janue purple, like like that team, not.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The good purple, right, you know, not the Lakers. Not
the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Purple shout out to them Lakers. Right three one, Holla
is getting really interested in the most household. My wife
is a Warriors fan, and I love Lebron with the
capital L. So yeah, man, yeah, it is really really
really interesting in the most also right now, man, yep, hey, at.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Least you winning though, right, I.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Mean, you know how it goes, man, I'm winning in
certain things. I'm losing in other things, But sacrifices must
be made for the detoman of the team.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's like, you know, there was some there was some.
There were some tough moments in the Euler household when
the Penguins and the Flyers had, you know, some of
those playoff series. But as long as you on the
winning side, it's a little bit easier to navigate those waters.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I tell you, hey, man, I just got to work
on being humble in victory. That's that's what.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You gotta be a good winner, you know, you gotta
be Everyone says you gotta be a good loser, right,
but you also got to be a good winner.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You know. You know, I've had a good amount of
practice at it, so I'm getting kind of good at
this thing. But yeah, you know how it goes, man,
you know how it goes. But to start this thing off, man,
we do want to start with the Baltimore Ravens and
just kind of looking at what they were able to
accomplish in their draft. So for them, in the first round,
they went with Ze Flowers, the wide receiver out of
Boston College.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Then in the third round, Trenton Simpson, the LB from Clinton,
fourth rounding with Tvius Robinson, the addresser out of oh This,
and then the fifth round Cayu blow Kelly the corner
out of Stanford. Then in the sixth round they went
with salah amave Lalu and then in the seventh Andre Woar.
(04:18):
He's the interior offense alignment out of US. So I
didn't want to allow you to you know what I'm saying,
get your your feelings off first before I get in
here and start talking, you know, talking. I'll get along
one day that time talking, you know, because the series.
You know, like I said, man, me and wife, you
don't talk as much right now because of the three
one situation we got going.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You gotta get out something, you know, So so I
talk to you a lot, you know, kids are still
in school. You can't just sit around and talk to
the kids all day.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I talked to my dogs. The dogs look at me.
They don't never say nothing back. They're like, bro, why
are you talking to you? You know, we don't speak
that language. Like it's one of them digs. They be like,
who's Lebron? That's why they keeps it who's that guy?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Because I keeps got another another dog from down the
street that we got beaten, you know what.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm saying, Like, I'm like, he might join the family.
Might be three of y'all working around here, that little
Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
H Yeah, Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I'll tell you what interesting draft class in the sense
of feels like this happens a lot. But yeah, a
lot of the guys that we discussed in Steelers Circle
end up as Ravens. I'm sure if you know, in
another alternate in another alternate universe, if you and I
were rat birds and we were doing Ratbird Nation Radio,
we'd probably say the same thing about the Steelers, right, Like,
they end up with a lot of guys that we
(05:27):
talk about in Ravens Circles. Because I think it is
two organizations that you know, for the most part, traditionally
have wanted to win the same way. You know, they
want to be strong in the trenches. They want to
be able to run the ball, they want to be
able to play elite defense. They have a lot of
the same philosophies. Organizationally, I think is the right way
to put that. And so that feels like it always
(05:49):
shines through in the draft, and it certainly did in
twenty twenty three as well too. Zay Flowers, who certainly
could be the best wide receiver in this draft. I
don't think that would surprise many of us. I know,
I think he is was your number one. Yeah, I
still I think I still like j. S n a
little bit more. But he was my number two because
(06:09):
and you know he and he plays his brother plays
for the Pirates in this city.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Were family ties, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I like, but I like Flowers though, like I give
my White Flowers, Like everybody likes nice guy man. So
anytime I see Flowers, I'm just like, I like him
a lot more. So.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
They don't have a second round pick, but they end
up with Trenton Simpson, who if he would have been
a late second rounder. I don't think a lot of
people would have been shocked by that. They kind of
got him right in that day to range where he
was mocked. So no second rounder. But if you come
away with your first two picks being Zay Flowers and
Trenton Simpson, I think those will both be guys that
will be able to contribute for you this season. And
(06:48):
that's you know what you really want from those guys
on your first and second day there, they had some
depth on the edge, they had a couple of guys
on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
They blue you.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Blue, I do like all name team. And he went
to Stanford two. So you know, he's probably sad, he's
probably really smart.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I tell you, hey, man winning he's probably.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
He's probably wicked smart, I tell you yeah. And then
Andrew voorhe's the guy that you and I discussed as
well too, who would have probably been a Day.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Two easily easily day two if he didn't turn around
tight your talent man correct.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
If he didn't have a you know, major major knee
injury at the very end of USC season.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So well, I mean, shoot, because none, if I'm correctly,
wasn't he the one at the combine didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He Sorry, the combine, that's right, that's right. Sorry, it
was a combine, yah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It was the combine.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, like very first few days in March, so like right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Away from the draft, you know, because with injury, he
was definitely one of those guys that was projected to
be potential second third. I remember, you know, even us
talking about him going into the combine when offense lineman
came in there because of how talented he was versatile
both guards place. But for him to tear the ACL
at the combine. But I remember this about him. He
(08:04):
came back the next day and set the right bench
high for the bench press. It's like thirty eight or
thirty nine reps something like that. So I do I
love that type of mod style. That's the toughness and
just like you said, the mentality man of yes, did
I get delivered a poop sandwich the day before? Absolutely?
You tell your ACL man, that's a terrible thing. You
(08:26):
take a sale a month before the biggest job opportunity
in the world for you, Yes, man, you might be
on suicide Watch, no pun intended. But for him to say,
you know what, I'm gonna be able to lock in
take this negative situation and turn it into a positive
god and do what he did on the bench press.
That probably is a big reason why Baltimore was so
intrigued about him, because, you know, the talent, if he's healthy,
(08:48):
the talent speaks for himself. But now you get a
chance to see what he's made of, what his mentality
is when he's faced with adversity. And to me, man,
this is one of those picks that I hate the
fact I'm talking about Baltimore like this because it's Baltimore, Baltimore.
Where is that even that you know both.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Of it doesn't even matter, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But it's like when when I think of you know,
that mentality, that type of talent and he's going to
be sitting on the shelf for a year just getting
back ready, that's one of those ones worst potential still
of the draft type energy because of how talented he
was prior to the injury. Like, I like this a lot,
and it's rare you see, you know, teams do this.
(09:29):
We talked Jalen Smith when he came out blew his
knee out in the uh the right and we knew
that the Cowboys took him let him sit for a year.
We experienced that to an ex well, no, not even
to the same extent with Seawan Smith because Seawn was
already on our roster and got hurt in the preseason
and that was ultimately why he said. So even that
(09:49):
scenario was different. Willis mcgahe's probably another guy where we've
seen serious injury late let him sit for a year.
But to me, man, when you think about those instances,
they did work out, and for Baltimore, this isn't the
first time we've seen them take a Loilway purchase on
(10:09):
the offensive lineman. Jawan James was at two three years
ago Denver Broncos Blues Achilles out playing basketball fresh off
the contract they cut him. Baltimore claims never forget that,
and then he came out and actually, you know, was
their starter a year after that once he recovered. So
you know, they kind of already have this type of
like process in place. They've already shown that they can
(10:32):
have success with this. So I really really liked that
pick of this draft.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Man. Yeah, I agree, it's a true I mean, it's
gonna be a true red shirt year for Andrew Vorhees, right,
I mean, as you mentioned, he just had major major
injury in March. So I mean, and that's a nine
to twelve anyway, that's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I liked it the six, but it's nine to twelve.
We saw that with Devin. We've seen that league wide, right.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Like, best case, best case scenario's ready around Christmas, But
you're really going to rush him back for two weeks
of football at that point, No, you're you're you're gonna
be extra cautious with him unless he has some miraculous
type unforeseen recovery.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But you're right, it's about nine months.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Circumstances have to make sense, right in the sense of
number one year still competitive enough where you're in contention,
but number two, you got a big enough issue in
your offensive line that you're actually willing to put him
out there and risk that as well too. So how
does that like that? It seems like a conundrum even
talking about it in that vein of you're that good,
but this is your biggest flaw and this is going
(11:34):
to justify taking this guy, like.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Right, if he ends if he ends up getting a
helmet at some point this year, they probably just had
a disaster of injuries on that offensive line. Like they've
had a liit of bad luck on that offense.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Just like that, that's bad all around. But I do
not I do love the overall direction of the Baltimore
is going with their line. You talk about the Tyler
Linda Bond pick a year ago, we saw the dividends
that pay. We witnessed that first hand, how impacted us.
So now to pick up Andrew Voorhees, even though it's
going to be an offset year for him, Sure, that's
(12:07):
just one of those ones where you can see what
they're trying to do, very similar to what we've done
this year. We revamped our situation on the offensive line
a year or two removed from it being, you know,
viewed as one of the worst in the league. What
we think about where that Baltimore offensive line was two
years ago, Like like we laughed at how our situation was,
but let's let's be transparent here, man, if we're going
(12:29):
to be accountable to all old things that we talk about,
Baltimore offense line was very simil our offense line, man.
In fact, one of their starters was one of the
guys that we moved on from correct So to see
where they start to transition this thing to you can
see where they're trying to revamp their offense line. And
like I said, follow suit. I mean, you hit the
nail right on the head when you talked about it earlier.
(12:49):
We do a lot of things very similar to each other.
I'm just glad this isn't rap ordination radio.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
In an alternate timeline, Arthur Motes and I are broadcasting
from somewhere in Maryland with a bunch of a bunch
of old bay and our tummies and that nasty flag
pattern that would probably be wearing his shorts and a
hat and a T shirt and we'd have those stickers
all over our car of that flag that looks like
my eight.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
But and you know, like I.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Always have to say, the best, the best, the best
pint of Guinness you can get outside of Ireland is
in Baltimore, Maryland at the Guinness at the Guinness burs
So they do him a couple of things going for him, but.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
They and they got the still a nation radio stealers.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Blitz they got.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
But like listen, I think, especially when you consider just
they didn't have a second round pick, like it's a
it's a nice draft hall for Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I think they got a guy on each side of
the football and Zay Flowers and Trenton Simpson that can
help right away. I think they've got good I say,
project guys like I mean not respectfully, like not guys
that are gonna walk you know, just walk in on
day one right away, but guys that you could see
a potential career there, yea, and in Tavious Robinson and
Andrew Voorhees and and Kyu Blue.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I think as well too. It's it's it's a nice
haul for Baltimore. It is.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And I think you know, you've seen they they haven't
gotten quite the love that the Steelers have, But I
think nationally most people agree that, you know, with the
capital that they had only six draft picks for Baltimore,
no second rounder, they were still able to come away
with a pretty decent haul.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No without a doubt, man, Yeah, uh huh uh huh.
But enough about the rat Birds, enough about them now.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, hold on, let me go get the mouthwashed real quick,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
So now we're gonna go take that short little car ride.
We're gonna go, you know, oh with the erie. Okay,
we're gonna end on up in Cleveland, now thin, yeah,
I think that's how you get there. Okay, it's something
like that, something like that. But with the Cleveland Browns,
we know their situation was, oh no, no, no, no, no
no no no no no, no, no. We gotta started Cincinnati.
(15:00):
It's alphabetical. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I was gonna say, if you want to do alphabetical,
you go since it. But listen your host, so.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
You can do what you want to. I want to
do alphabetical.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So we're going to Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know they're used to being last.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So yeah, so instead of driving, we're gonna take a
quick flight. Okay, we'll take a quick little flight. We're
gonna land in Cincinnati real quick. All right, we just
landed here, all right, all right, where's the skyline at? Okay,
there we go. I see your baby. Okay, all right,
now we're here. Now we're good. So over in Cincinnati
with the bean gals riding on the escaloser, make sure
(15:37):
I get all the subliminal jabs in there, okay, okay, alright,
So they had another I ain't gonna lie kind of
like they draft. So they went Miles Murphy the address
out of Clemson in the first round. Then in the
second round went with DJ Turner, the lightning quick corner
(16:00):
from Michigan. Third round they went with Jordan Battle and
named that is very familiar Outabama safety forefront, they went
with Charlie Jones, the wide receiver out of Purdue. Then
in the fifth they went with Chase Brown, the running
back from Illinois. And then in the sixth Andre la Savas,
who's the wide receiver out of Princeton. And then they
(16:21):
went with the punter out of Michigan in the sixth round,
the second sixth round pick, Brad Robbins. And then after
that to wrap it up in the seven they went
with DJ Idy, the corner out of Miami. The You
you another.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Big, big school draft, much like the Steelers. Yeah, I
mean you get the Princeton wide receiver and Andre los Sevillas.
You said it much better than I did. But everyone
else in this Clemson, Michigan, Alabama, Perdue, Illinois, Michigan, Miami,
your big SEC, big ten ACC guys. But the Bengal right, Mozi,
(17:00):
I mean the Bengals did what the Bengals do. They're
I mean, if you think historically the Steelers have been
vanilla on Draft Day. You know that they and I
know this is funny having this conversation when they just
moved up a few picks in the first round. But
like a lot of times people, you know, the Steelers
are traditional. The Steelers stay with their draft picks. They
keep their draft picks, they use their draft picks, and
that's obviously been the case for the most part.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
There's the exceptions.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
There's the Broderick Jones in the in the Terrey, Paula
Malos and Santonio Holmes and Devin Bush and all that, certainly,
but traditionally the Steelers stay put. Even more so the Bengals,
man like, they get there, they get their picks, they
hold on to them, they don't trade them, and they
take they take the guys that are available to them,
where they select Miles Murphy in the first round, DJ
(17:43):
Turner in the second round, Jordan Battle in the third round. Again,
I think all guys that we had in Steeler type conversation,
and I think to Mozy, the theme of the Bengals draft,
I think you and I might I think I might
have said this last week, but it always bears repeating.
They for so long Cincinnati had a cheap offense with
a lot of guys rookie contracts, right, the Burrows and the.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Chases, the Haiggins and those guys.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Right, and then they loaded up on defense and free
agency and spend some money on that defense. Well, now
they've lost some of those guys on defense to free
agency and they're about that pendulum is about to swing
back to where they're gonna have to spend money on
the offensive side of the football. So what do you
do because of that? Your first three picks in the
draft are all defensive guys because you're going to need
cheap but almost.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Talent, almost like the over compensation. We got to correct
the market.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's correct one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And it's you know, it's again that you look back
at their drafts four or five years ago. They're drafting
heavy on offense, they're signing their signing free agency, is
spending money on defense that way?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And I was way a little bit And I would
say the one thing that I do want to give
since Daddy credit for because a lot of teams take
this approach, but not everybody has a success. They hit
on a Joe Burrow, they hit on a Jamar Chase,
They've hit on a t Higgins, you know what I mean.
So it's like they've hit on a Joe Maxon. If
you're gonna take this approach, you got to hit now.
(18:58):
They missed on a Jonah William Right. You can make
a case that that's the dud right now, right, But
that to me is the big difference between how Cincinnati
has changed their fortune to be AFC Championship, Super Bowl
back to back, whereas you think about Cleveland and they've
been one of those things that's had a litany of
early picks where they've invested on offense at quarterback and
(19:19):
wide receiver, but they've missed. They haven't got the Joe Burrow,
they haven't got the Jamar Chase, they haven't found the
T Higgins. Heck, you can make a case that until
Mary Cooper got there, they didn't even have the Tyler Boyd.
So with it's just like, man, as much as I
don't like to compliment the Bengals, I do feel like
in that vein, you know, they've done a pretty dope
(19:41):
job of being able to actually get good plays. Yeah,
that they're drafting that hot man.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Listen, there's very few exceptions of all this team didn't
draft well, but they still went to a Super Bowl
and are going to AFC champion, Like you could say
the Rams, but they drafted Aaron Donald the ram did
you know what I mean? They they like a lot
of those guys I'm drawing a blank now and on
some of the other key contributors. But they did draft
(20:08):
Cooper Cup They drafted right like.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Cooper cut was drafted, Todd Grilly was drafted. Rafted. Yeah.
Shoot when they first when they first went to the
Super Bowl, Jared Goff was drafting.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Goff was drafted.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
They had the Ramseys that they traded for and the
Von Millers, you know, and and guys like Andrew Whitworth
who they brought in, the veterans.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They but they went they went to the first one
home grown. They won the second though.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
With being yeah, with that that base built already and
then you kind of add on top of it, which
I think is kind of the ideal scenario for for
a lot of this roster building stuff. But yeah, the Bengals, Uh,
they've been solid in that department, They certainly have, but
they lose a couple of key contributors on the defensive
side of the football. You see them attack that here
(20:54):
in the draft. I think it makes a lot of sense.
And and again they they picked us straight through right,
I mean for second, third, fourth, fifth, round two, and
the six because they have the comp pick their seventh
round pick, eight picks in total. And it's a it's
a very it's a very Bengals esque draft from Cincinnati.
And like you said, any I don't care. I mean,
everybody has their misses in the draft.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It happens.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
But over the last four or five years, man, it's
been tough to it's been tough to pull out the
bungle on draft day because they've they've done a pretty
good job here so far.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, not without a doubt, man, without a doubt, But
they're not the all the ones done a good job.
You've done a good job of taking this right down
to the break. So with that being the case, we
are gonna take our first right. But when we come back,
we're gonna continue looking at some of the AFC North
and with these other teams that have done with the draft.
So don't test that doubts are the most It's West
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