May 9, 2023 • 22 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
He sees the Steelers Blitz with Wesley and Arthur Moss
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and Gold as scan are what's going on Steel's Nation
and it is time for the second segment of today's
show on the Steelers Blitz. And might I add that
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for you, okay, Yeah, And the best way to find
on is wherever you still do you know?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You knew exactly where I was going.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
All right, I gotta tell you real quick. You'll like that.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I know we're getting to I know we're getting to
the tweets next segment. The Cuban Dan tweeted us and
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Maybe he'll like the boo foo as well.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He will probably definitely like the boo poo. Oh my goodness,
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
But but any who, any who, before we had went
to our break man, we were just kind of reacting
to that since that he dingles Draft class man and
kind of giving our thoughts on it. I didn't want
us to put our finishing touches on it before we
decide to move on to the next squad. But when
I look at these type of players in this class
that the Bengals picked up, Granted, I don't feel like
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they got the wild players like Baltimore. When you talk
about a Zay Flowers, you talk about the Trenton Simpson had,
Even Andrew Voi he's from an offensive linement perspective, he
was still one of the top names at that position.
I feel like, though, that Cincinnati got a ton of
just like quality good players.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Like, I think Zay Flowers has superstar potential. Trenton Simpson
We've talked about he has in today's NFL that's superstar
potential in terms of just that elite level athleticism. When
I think of Jordan Battle, He's not necessarily superstar, right,
He's not a Mika Fitzpatrick. He's more troll Edmonds. But
when you talk about Troy Edvans, that's a four year,
five year starter, a hundred plus tackle dude. Like good player.
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When I think a DJ Turner, I don't think Jalen Ramsey,
but I think, man, this is the dude that's gonna
be a solid role, you know, number two slot corner
for those guys that's gonna compete and be really good.
Charlie Jones. Charlie Jones, I don't think of as Jamar Chase,
but I'm like Charlie Jones, a good receiver run man. Like,
if you're talking about a guy like Kim coming into
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that room, that's some productivity. That's some hands. That's a
guy that could run rous and has the speed and
burst to separate. I don't think it's elite talent, but
I think that's a really good player. Like if you're
talking about that's your number two, of your number three,
like man, and in Cincinnati right now, he's your four.
So you want to see if that develop into a T.
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Higgins can develop into a Tyler Boyd. But that's another
good piece. Man. It's like those type of that's like
when I think of this Bengal's draft, that was really
like what I walked away feeling it's like they don't
have superstars, but they have Just when you talk about
I need to build my team, this is build my
team players because they already have their superstars. They have
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the Jamar Chase, they already have the Joe Burrow, they
got the high End Town, they have the Trey Hendrickson.
You know. So it's like they have some of these
bigger name guys, some of these guys on second and
third deals. But these in terms of the draft class,
this is the type the stuff that you find a
Logan Wilson. This is this type of draft.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, that's a great comparison. No, it absolutely is. I
think you're right. There's there's not a name that jumps
off the page there and you're saying, I think this
guy's going to be a future Hall Pro. But they
picked up potentially four or five solid contributors. I think
Miles Murphy will come in right away and play a role.
But you're right, DJ Turner, I can certainly see him
filling the Eli Apple role, you know what I mean,
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not expecting that guy to be a superstar, but to
be a piece, a reliable piece in that secondary. I
agree with everything you said about Jordan Battle, I don't
think he'll ever be Mega Fitzpatrick, but I think he
can be a quality safety in the NFL. Charlie Jones
and Chase Brown the running back out of Illinois as
well too. You put those guys in position rooms, in
position groups where you don't need them to be a
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dog right away, right. I mean, Charlie Jones walks in
there with all those bide receivers, learn get better as
the season goes along, and then maybe in another year
you really have that one to get a bigger role
when we can't afford to keep all these guys. Uh,
Chase Brown, the running back out of Illinois.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Throughout the course of the season, you show us improvement.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You show us the game starting to slow down for
you show us you could play a role in this
and maybe may become right and and Joe Mixon becomes
a cap casualty when they have to pay all those
guys on offense because they believe in Chase Brown is
a is a cheaper option.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And on top of the fact that fortune for Joe Mixon,
he does, you know, get his name around some bad stuff.
So for a guy that Chase Brown and even more
so opens up an opportunity, not just because of the money,
but also we're talking about just the damage control. Do
you want to continue to deal with a guy that
puts himself in compromising positions regardless of if he's justified
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or not. That's one of those things where you're like, man,
you're becoming a repeat offender. And sometimes it's just like, Man,
I would much rather go with less of a headache
than you correct.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Sometimes it is just that simple.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Sometimes it's a it's a stress decision, right, you got
to keep the stress levels low mode.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
We all literally I told you, I just went to
the doctor the other day. Man, that's what my doctor
told me. Man, keep my stress levels low. He was like,
you're doing a great job keeping your stress levels low,
but you got to keep him like that. I told him.
I was like, well, I need can he Pickett, I
need Matt Canada to keep doing what they're doing in
the second half of the season. I need more of that, okay,
that to keep it low. And I was like, I
need Wes to stop making me host every every time
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were up here, all right, that was the second thing,
And he was like a lot of stress work with
that it's a like, man, you know, it's a hard person.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Tell him.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I lay, I lay in bed every Monday night. You're
stressing out about what Wes and I are going to
talk on the show.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
The dude like, like, my hair gets gray, I can't breathe,
I start getting hives over here. Like it's just the
craziest thing. Man. Like, I'm trying to tell him, I
focus on my diet. I focused on how my plants,
you know, and that that has helped out. He was like, yo,
just keep keep eating your greens, keep eating vegetables. You'll
be good. But yeah, you keep your stressed down. It's like,
all right, man, I'm trying my best, baby, So Wes, please.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I'm here. I'm here to help you. I'm here to help.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I don't I don't need have stress lovels.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I need to need the Lakers. In five, we need
a big step forward from the offense. Uh we need
we need j MU to continue upon their solid first
year in f C S dukes that they build that
they are sorry f B S part of me.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Can we just go one in one double A. I
mean it said the B in the C.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's so confusing, you know, you know, I don't even
keep it with them, the one double A guys anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know what is this am I to count? Is
this time of the day here you.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Feel I'm like one A double A Like, hey man,
all I know.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The big boys batteries. I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
People? If you're not G FOB or P five, like
what you do? Are you even playing? Are you even
in this? You can't be a sports You can't be
in the game.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
From outside of the club because you can't even get in.
But I was a little like NFL dot Com, I
have it here. They gave the Bengals a B minus
for their draft, which is the same grade they gave
the Browns, And I don't see that. I think the
Bengals should be I think they should be B B plus.
I don't think they you know how to die. It
might haul, but I think I certainly say that.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Again, you said you said they went B plus.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
No be mind NFL dot Com has NFL dot Com
went B plus for the Steelers and then B minus
for everyone else in the division. I I don't think
Cleveland's if if Baltimore and Cincinnati, Yeah, Baltimore and Cincinnati
or B minuses. Cleveland's got to be in the sea range,
but a little harsh maybe there from NFL network.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, but I will talking real quick. So was there
anything else that we had with since.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Before we move on to I don't think so. I'm good.
I'm good. As long as you're good.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You goes good. Yeah, good, baby, come on baby. Yeah.
So with Cleveland, they didn't have a pick until the
third round because obviously we know this is also from
the Deshaun Watson. Uh correct trade compensation package.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Those credit card bills came good.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, man. So they went with Cedric Tillman White was
he were from Tennessee in the third round. Then they
would with Siaki Aka, the nose tackle a Baylor in
the third round as well, familiar name. Then they go
Dwan Jones, the right tackle out of Ohio State in
the fourth round, very familiar name. Then Isaiah Maguire, the
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edge rusher out of Missouri in the fourth round. Then
from there in the fifth they went with Dorian Thompson Robinson,
the QB from UCLA. Then in the fifth as well,
they went with Cameron Mitchell, the corner out of Northwestern,
and then in the sixth went with Luke Weipler the
center out of Ohio State. Now, in a weird way,
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I feel like with NFL dot Com, it's trying to
accomplish is greater on a scale. So think of it
like this, Right, Baltimore had what first round pick, and
then they had a third round pick, but their first
was such a big name, right in terms of Zay
Flowers in their third b at Trenton Simpson, it makes
it feel like, yo, man, they actually hit because Jay
Flowers is such a talent. Right. We talked about Cincinnati.
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It was like with Cincinnati, they had all of their
pick and they just picked good players. They didn't move,
they didn't do anything sexy. It was just good players.
When I look at Cleveland, I say to myself, Okay,
you didn't have your first round or second round pick
because that's Deshaun Watson. But Cedric Tillman, what are you
getting in him? You're getting a route runner. You're getting
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a really polish receiver, almost in the mold of who
Amari Cooper, who's already there. You talk about their second
third round Pickki Aika, that's not an NFL pick, that's
an AFC North pick. Why is a North pick We
talked about him how many times on this show because
of what he does to the run. He destroys the run.
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What do we love to do in the AFC North
run the ball? But what have we done our offensive line?
Baltimore's done their offensive line since the Natty try to
do their offensive line. They picked Alanda fourteen something. They like,
we all trying to run the ball in this division.
So the Iker pick is the all right, this is
the big f you to everybody else. This is the
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piece to keep us in that arms race. Dwan Jones
is the flyer. That's the intriguing one because obviously talented,
projected to be a lot higher. We know measurable is
the largest man and Senior Bowl history. But you get
him in the fourth because the consistency isn't all the
way there. Now, if it works out, you got you
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a heck of a player you gotta steal. You got
your damn more, that's right. But if it doesn't work out,
that's the one where you're like, ah, you could have
went different. Isaiah Maguire, rotational guy, Duian Thompson. He's not
Josh Dibbs, you know, but you can see, all right,
what they're trying to stick with in terms of that
little mobile athlete and stuff like that. Cameron Mitchell won
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another Northwestern corner. They did that before, We've seen how
that worked out. I do like Luke Weipler, but once again,
this is a six round student. We're not gonna oh,
you know what I mean, he's not injured.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
He's just that where he was coming out of Ohio
State to think, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Saying, or fourth. So it's like I like their like
first two. I like the potential on that fourth round,
and then after that it's just kind of like, all right,
you're dealing with, you know, the best you can get
at that time. We don't put a lot of stock
in fifth, sixth, and seventh. The only reason we talked
about before he's with Baltimore was because his seventh was
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under a condition of him tearing his ACL at the combine.
So it's like, that's why I can slightly understand if
they were going to try to grade on the curve
and say Scince, they didn't have the first and second
round picks, they still were able to get a roll runner,
They still able to get a really good nose tackle
and your flyer has really high upside to it, Like
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I kind of look at it that way. So that's
why I was like, I could get it. But if
you're not great on a curve, yeah, if you're not
great on a curve you just tuck a straight up
then yeah, what we talked about, you know what I mean,
because these players don't compete with you know, the players
that see that. Baltimore definitely that we've picked up. But
that's why I was like, I just think it's like,
how you want to look at that perspective and do
you want to take that into encounterne I think.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I think that's I think you're probably spot on there.
I mean, they despite not having you know, a pick
until seventy fourth overall, they still did. They still did
come away with some names that were you know, widely
discussed commodities in this draft.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
We're familiar with Cedric Tillman. We talked about him versus
Jalen Hyde and we said, realistically, he might be the
better player. Hyatt has the better characteristic, the sexy skill,
which is the speed, the vertical threat, but he's very
raw in terms of running, in terms of releases, like
they had to scheme him open by motioning and keeping
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him off the point so you can get off of
pressed Cedric. That's not the case. Cedric can win off
the line. It's like you you might have got the
better of the receiver.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, And honestly, I think you know, he dealt with
some injury stuff towards the end of last year at
Tennessee as well too. If he's completely healthy, maybe instead
of going seventy fourth overall, he goes forty fourth overall
or something like that, and he's and he's out of
your range. But you're right, I mean, he he I
really like Cedric Tillman.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I do. I was.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I was bummed when the Browns drafted him. I did
not want to see him go there because I think
you're right. We could look We could look.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Back in a year or two and say, man, how
did this guy last till pick seventy four?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know, because if we would have took Cedric Tillman
in the middle of our draft, we would have been like, yo,
that's like, we get it, Like he's a good player
route runner. If we're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like mm hmm, I'm like, day and listen and we
know Saaki like and that's the thing too, like you're
because you're right. Both of these I mean, I would
be hypocritical, like both of these third round picks are
guys that you and I talked about throughout the process
that we really liked in this kind of draft range,
you know, late late day two guys, if you later
in day two, if you will.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like if we don't go Keanu Bitten in the second
and we ended up doing Saaki in the third, we
will be over here like, bro, we love it, like
we got us and we're good. We got got a.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Lot of good.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He could be a poor man's Casey Hampton, you know
what I mean, Like not that type of ceiling, but
that type of right. Yeah, Tillman would be like, oh, Man, like,
you know, you got Deontay Johnson with maybe some more upsides,
you know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Like.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Cerebral route runner but better hands. You know, you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And and Dewan Jones'd be like Dewan Jones would be
like we got him in the fourth round.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
He could have been a second round You're right, all right,
maybe in the drown I can't.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I cannot be hypocritical, although I do love being hypocritical,
all right.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's a blast to be a hypocrite. You should try something.
But but but you know, you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think those top three picks as well too, when
you kind of grain them on a curve a little bit,
considering they didn't pick until seventy fourth overall, and you
really look that they got. They've got a lot of
guys that they need development, they need some time. Certainly
they're not finished products, but there's a lot to work
with there, and Cedric Tillman, Siaki Aika, and then Dewan Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I mean, really, the way that we're gonna be great
in this classes if Deshaun Watson another year like how
we just did, now, we're gonna be seeing that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's like the mega Fitzpatrick thing, right. No one, you
gotta make no one was complaining. No one was complaining
in what was a twenty nineteen the Steelers right when
the Steelers took uh didn't pick until like forty nine
and it was uh, it was Chase Claypool.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
No one was complaining that the Steelers didn't have a
first first round pick, right because he had an all
He had an.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All pro safety who was twenty three years old and
was still cost controlled for another three seasons. So you're right,
no one's gonna be really talking about this or complaining
about this if DeShawn Watson returns to form or even
close to the form that we saw him in a
times in Houston.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But that is obviously, uh, you know, part of part
of why we do this and why we break this
all down here.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh no, without a doubt, man and trusting man, there
is no issue with having a little bit of biasness
or having a little bit of you know, well towards
them them them brownies. Okay, so we're not tripping on it.
We're definitely not tripping on it. But I always just
try to keep it, you know, even across the board
when we're evaluating, just because in that sense, man, we
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do think that context does matter, because one of the
seasons does get here, we're talking about these players. On
the flip side of we're like game planning and you
know how we do our five star matchups. So when
West makes is you know here, we go song and
stuff like that, and we name drop these guys and
for a reason, because some of them are competitive, some
of them are actually good players, and we want to
make sure that everybody's educated on them. But at the
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end of the day, they still will get their head
beat in twice a year, because that's how it goes.
Correct song, same dance, different different players, but nameless.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
The nameless faces change. The coaching staffs may change. Yeah, hey,
are the most I've told you before, Rott. You can
change your religion, you can change your politics, you can
even change a wife, but you can never change the
fact that the Cleveland Browns all the Pittsburgh Steelers, little
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brother there, it is dead.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It is just speaking facts, just speaking facts, all right.
What we do need to do though, before we get
up out of this segment, we talked about all our
draft classes. Okay, how are we ranking them?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But not on a curve? Right? How we ranking Steelers one?
Cleveland four?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Ooh?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Do I like the upside of Zay Flowers or do
I just like? Do I like the quality or do
I like the quantity? That's what I'm asking myself here.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go quality as well too, So
I'll go Steelers won. Baltimore two, Cincinnati three, Cleveland four.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh my gosh, is that the same as you? Is
that the same as you got? Are you going different.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Unfortunately, it is the exact same as I have now
because to me, man, I do feel like the Steelers
did hit with the best of worlds. Now, granted we
have more picks and we were more aggressive, but we
were able to get high end talent and high quality
depth we need position to need to. Yeah, we did
both Baltimore and Cincinnati. Like, that's how we kind of
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combine this thing. That's why I had us at one.
But then that too, I did like Baltimore. I thought
the Za Flowers pick up, to me, that's would sol it.
Trenton Simpson I like him a lot. I do understand
some of the concerns surrounding him, and I've talked about this.
He is going to have to be able to play
the run when it's at him, because teams are not
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going to run away from him. But the same way
I've seen Patrick Queen handle some of that, I think
that Trenton Simpson is going to be in a similar
fashion that he should also be able to develop those
kinds of Characteristically, him playing next to a ro Kwan
Smith is only going to help ease that load for him.
So that's ultimately, you know why I like Baltimore at
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number two. But then, yeah, I love the the the
amount of just quality players of Cincinnati guy. Yeah, yeah,
Like I feel like he just got a ton of
just good players.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Guys who have NFL careers.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, because I think like Baltimore, I'm like, they
FLYERSNA make me game plan. But in terms of Cincinnati,
none of those guys persone. I feel like I have
the game plan around. But I feel like they're all good.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Players completely, you know, and you need those type of
guys to win games with championships.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Absolutely, you do, man, you know. And now that's how
I looked at them. So that's why I had Cincinnati
at three. And then for me, the reason Cleveland was
at four is with no skill, they just don't have
the high end talent. Right. Their best pick was in
the third round, seventy fourth overall, So you're just pulling
from a different crop of players, right.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And we could talk about that potential that pee were
at all, but you and I have said, right, potential
is only great for It's only great for so long.
Eventually that p word potential will get you fired.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, And when we're talking the draft, man, first and
second round, your anticipating getting the starter out of there.
Third round it's sixty forty, you get a starter. Fourth
round is fifty to fifty, and then after that, you know,
the percentage to start to shift out of their favor.
So when you take that into context, you're talking about
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literally your best two chances being Cedric Tilban and Saki
Aika as being starters. Siaki plays a position where you
really only use this guy two downs, like you're not
keeping them on the field the rush passing.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
No, no, And that's third rounds the range that you
want to take that guy, right.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We also, you know, don't need to act like they
just you know, took some some dominant interior off defensive
lineman here.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah. Yeah. And then obviously when you talk Dwan Jones,
very similar concept, big size and potential, but not a
lot of consistency. So across the board, I was like, man,
I feel like they had more of the flaws, more
of the uncertainty, but it was more so is due
to their circumstances. That's why I had them as the
fourth team. But you know, other than that, though, it
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is always good to know that the Steelers still feel
great about our situation, right, yes, sir, so let's keep winning.
It doesn't matter when we can never win enough, all right,
But with that being the case, man, we are going
to take our final break. And then after that, man,
we will come back to you, to your tweets, your thoughts,
your comments, your concerns. So don't touch that down. It
is Art the Most and Wesley Euler and this is
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Steele's Nation Radio
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You knew exactly where I was going.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
All right, I gotta tell you real quick. You'll like that.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I know we're getting to I know we're getting to
the tweets next segment. The Cuban Dan tweeted us and
he loves the Corey Trice real name, no gimmicks.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Maybe he'll like the boo foo as well.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He will probably definitely like the boo poo. Oh my goodness,
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
But but any who, any who, before we had went
to our break man, we were just kind of reacting
to that since that he dingles Draft class man and
kind of giving our thoughts on it. I didn't want
us to put our finishing touches on it before we
decide to move on to the next squad. But when
I look at these type of players in this class
that the Bengals picked up, Granted, I don't feel like
(01:59):
they got the wild players like Baltimore. When you talk
about a Zay Flowers, you talk about the Trenton Simpson had,
Even Andrew Voi he's from an offensive linement perspective, he
was still one of the top names at that position.
I feel like, though, that Cincinnati got a ton of
just like quality good players.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Like, I think Zay Flowers has superstar potential. Trenton Simpson
We've talked about he has in today's NFL that's superstar
potential in terms of just that elite level athleticism. When
I think of Jordan Battle, He's not necessarily superstar, right,
He's not a Mika Fitzpatrick. He's more troll Edmonds. But
when you talk about Troy Edvans, that's a four year,
five year starter, a hundred plus tackle dude. Like good player.
(02:42):
When I think a DJ Turner, I don't think Jalen Ramsey,
but I think, man, this is the dude that's gonna
be a solid role, you know, number two slot corner
for those guys that's gonna compete and be really good.
Charlie Jones. Charlie Jones, I don't think of as Jamar Chase,
but I'm like Charlie Jones, a good receiver run man. Like,
if you're talking about a guy like Kim coming into
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that room, that's some productivity. That's some hands. That's a
guy that could run rous and has the speed and
burst to separate. I don't think it's elite talent, but
I think that's a really good player. Like if you're
talking about that's your number two, of your number three,
like man, and in Cincinnati right now, he's your four.
So you want to see if that develop into a T.
(03:24):
Higgins can develop into a Tyler Boyd. But that's another
good piece. Man. It's like those type of that's like
when I think of this Bengal's draft, that was really
like what I walked away feeling it's like they don't
have superstars, but they have Just when you talk about
I need to build my team, this is build my
team players because they already have their superstars. They have
(03:45):
the Jamar Chase, they already have the Joe Burrow, they
got the high End Town, they have the Trey Hendrickson.
You know. So it's like they have some of these
bigger name guys, some of these guys on second and
third deals. But these in terms of the draft class,
this is the type the stuff that you find a
Logan Wilson. This is this type of draft.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, that's a great comparison. No, it absolutely is. I
think you're right. There's there's not a name that jumps
off the page there and you're saying, I think this
guy's going to be a future Hall Pro. But they
picked up potentially four or five solid contributors. I think
Miles Murphy will come in right away and play a role.
But you're right, DJ Turner, I can certainly see him
filling the Eli Apple role, you know what I mean,
(04:25):
not expecting that guy to be a superstar, but to
be a piece, a reliable piece in that secondary. I
agree with everything you said about Jordan Battle, I don't
think he'll ever be Mega Fitzpatrick, but I think he
can be a quality safety in the NFL. Charlie Jones
and Chase Brown the running back out of Illinois as
well too. You put those guys in position rooms, in
position groups where you don't need them to be a
(04:46):
dog right away, right. I mean, Charlie Jones walks in
there with all those bide receivers, learn get better as
the season goes along, and then maybe in another year
you really have that one to get a bigger role
when we can't afford to keep all these guys. Uh,
Chase Brown, the running back out of Illinois.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Throughout the course of the season, you show us improvement.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You show us the game starting to slow down for
you show us you could play a role in this
and maybe may become right and and Joe Mixon becomes
a cap casualty when they have to pay all those
guys on offense because they believe in Chase Brown is
a is a cheaper option.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And on top of the fact that fortune for Joe Mixon,
he does, you know, get his name around some bad stuff.
So for a guy that Chase Brown and even more
so opens up an opportunity, not just because of the money,
but also we're talking about just the damage control. Do
you want to continue to deal with a guy that
puts himself in compromising positions regardless of if he's justified
(05:42):
or not. That's one of those things where you're like, man,
you're becoming a repeat offender. And sometimes it's just like, Man,
I would much rather go with less of a headache
than you correct.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Sometimes it is just that simple.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Sometimes it's a it's a stress decision, right, you got
to keep the stress levels low mode.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
We all literally I told you, I just went to
the doctor the other day. Man, that's what my doctor
told me. Man, keep my stress levels low. He was like,
you're doing a great job keeping your stress levels low,
but you got to keep him like that. I told him.
I was like, well, I need can he Pickett, I
need Matt Canada to keep doing what they're doing in
the second half of the season. I need more of that, okay,
that to keep it low. And I was like, I
need Wes to stop making me host every every time
(06:20):
were up here, all right, that was the second thing,
And he was like a lot of stress work with
that it's a like, man, you know, it's a hard person.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Tell him.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I lay, I lay in bed every Monday night. You're
stressing out about what Wes and I are going to
talk on the show.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
The dude like, like, my hair gets gray, I can't breathe,
I start getting hives over here. Like it's just the
craziest thing. Man. Like, I'm trying to tell him, I
focus on my diet. I focused on how my plants,
you know, and that that has helped out. He was like, yo,
just keep keep eating your greens, keep eating vegetables. You'll
be good. But yeah, you keep your stressed down. It's like,
all right, man, I'm trying my best, baby, So Wes, please.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I'm here. I'm here to help you. I'm here to help.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I don't I don't need have stress lovels.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I need to need the Lakers. In five, we need
a big step forward from the offense. Uh we need
we need j MU to continue upon their solid first
year in f C S dukes that they build that
they are sorry f B S part of me.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Can we just go one in one double A. I
mean it said the B in the C.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's so confusing, you know, you know, I don't even
keep it with them, the one double A guys anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know what is this am I to count? Is
this time of the day here you.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Feel I'm like one A double A Like, hey man,
all I know.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The big boys batteries. I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
People? If you're not G FOB or P five, like
what you do? Are you even playing? Are you even
in this? You can't be a sports You can't be
in the game.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
From outside of the club because you can't even get in.
But I was a little like NFL dot Com, I
have it here. They gave the Bengals a B minus
for their draft, which is the same grade they gave
the Browns, And I don't see that. I think the
Bengals should be I think they should be B B plus.
I don't think they you know how to die. It
might haul, but I think I certainly say that.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Again, you said you said they went B plus.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
No be mind NFL dot Com has NFL dot Com
went B plus for the Steelers and then B minus
for everyone else in the division. I I don't think
Cleveland's if if Baltimore and Cincinnati, Yeah, Baltimore and Cincinnati
or B minuses. Cleveland's got to be in the sea range,
but a little harsh maybe there from NFL network.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, but I will talking real quick. So was there
anything else that we had with since.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Before we move on to I don't think so. I'm good.
I'm good. As long as you're good.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You goes good. Yeah, good, baby, come on baby. Yeah.
So with Cleveland, they didn't have a pick until the
third round because obviously we know this is also from
the Deshaun Watson. Uh correct trade compensation package.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Those credit card bills came good.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, man. So they went with Cedric Tillman White was
he were from Tennessee in the third round. Then they
would with Siaki Aka, the nose tackle a Baylor in
the third round as well, familiar name. Then they go
Dwan Jones, the right tackle out of Ohio State in
the fourth round, very familiar name. Then Isaiah Maguire, the
(09:10):
edge rusher out of Missouri in the fourth round. Then
from there in the fifth they went with Dorian Thompson Robinson,
the QB from UCLA. Then in the fifth as well,
they went with Cameron Mitchell, the corner out of Northwestern,
and then in the sixth went with Luke Weipler the
center out of Ohio State. Now, in a weird way,
(09:35):
I feel like with NFL dot Com, it's trying to
accomplish is greater on a scale. So think of it
like this, Right, Baltimore had what first round pick, and
then they had a third round pick, but their first
was such a big name, right in terms of Zay
Flowers in their third b at Trenton Simpson, it makes
it feel like, yo, man, they actually hit because Jay
Flowers is such a talent. Right. We talked about Cincinnati.
(09:57):
It was like with Cincinnati, they had all of their
pick and they just picked good players. They didn't move,
they didn't do anything sexy. It was just good players.
When I look at Cleveland, I say to myself, Okay,
you didn't have your first round or second round pick
because that's Deshaun Watson. But Cedric Tillman, what are you
getting in him? You're getting a route runner. You're getting
(10:19):
a really polish receiver, almost in the mold of who
Amari Cooper, who's already there. You talk about their second
third round Pickki Aika, that's not an NFL pick, that's
an AFC North pick. Why is a North pick We
talked about him how many times on this show because
of what he does to the run. He destroys the run.
(10:42):
What do we love to do in the AFC North
run the ball? But what have we done our offensive line?
Baltimore's done their offensive line since the Natty try to
do their offensive line. They picked Alanda fourteen something. They like,
we all trying to run the ball in this division.
So the Iker pick is the all right, this is
the big f you to everybody else. This is the
(11:02):
piece to keep us in that arms race. Dwan Jones
is the flyer. That's the intriguing one because obviously talented,
projected to be a lot higher. We know measurable is
the largest man and Senior Bowl history. But you get
him in the fourth because the consistency isn't all the
way there. Now, if it works out, you got you
(11:24):
a heck of a player you gotta steal. You got
your damn more, that's right. But if it doesn't work out,
that's the one where you're like, ah, you could have
went different. Isaiah Maguire, rotational guy, Duian Thompson. He's not
Josh Dibbs, you know, but you can see, all right,
what they're trying to stick with in terms of that
little mobile athlete and stuff like that. Cameron Mitchell won
(11:47):
another Northwestern corner. They did that before, We've seen how
that worked out. I do like Luke Weipler, but once again,
this is a six round student. We're not gonna oh,
you know what I mean, he's not injured.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
He's just that where he was coming out of Ohio
State to think, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Saying, or fourth. So it's like I like their like
first two. I like the potential on that fourth round,
and then after that it's just kind of like, all right,
you're dealing with, you know, the best you can get
at that time. We don't put a lot of stock
in fifth, sixth, and seventh. The only reason we talked
about before he's with Baltimore was because his seventh was
(12:24):
under a condition of him tearing his ACL at the combine.
So it's like, that's why I can slightly understand if
they were going to try to grade on the curve
and say Scince, they didn't have the first and second
round picks, they still were able to get a roll runner,
They still able to get a really good nose tackle
and your flyer has really high upside to it, Like
(12:48):
I kind of look at it that way. So that's
why I was like, I could get it. But if
you're not great on a curve, yeah, if you're not
great on a curve you just tuck a straight up
then yeah, what we talked about, you know what I mean,
because these players don't compete with you know, the players
that see that. Baltimore definitely that we've picked up. But
that's why I was like, I just think it's like,
how you want to look at that perspective and do
you want to take that into encounterne I think.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I think that's I think you're probably spot on there.
I mean, they despite not having you know, a pick
until seventy fourth overall, they still did. They still did
come away with some names that were you know, widely
discussed commodities in this draft.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
We're familiar with Cedric Tillman. We talked about him versus
Jalen Hyde and we said, realistically, he might be the
better player. Hyatt has the better characteristic, the sexy skill,
which is the speed, the vertical threat, but he's very
raw in terms of running, in terms of releases, like
they had to scheme him open by motioning and keeping
(13:48):
him off the point so you can get off of
pressed Cedric. That's not the case. Cedric can win off
the line. It's like you you might have got the
better of the receiver.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, And honestly, I think you know, he dealt with
some injury stuff towards the end of last year at
Tennessee as well too. If he's completely healthy, maybe instead
of going seventy fourth overall, he goes forty fourth overall
or something like that, and he's and he's out of
your range. But you're right, I mean, he he I
really like Cedric Tillman.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I do. I was.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I was bummed when the Browns drafted him. I did
not want to see him go there because I think
you're right. We could look We could look.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Back in a year or two and say, man, how
did this guy last till pick seventy four?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You know, because if we would have took Cedric Tillman
in the middle of our draft, we would have been like, yo,
that's like, we get it, Like he's a good player
route runner. If we're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like mm hmm, I'm like, day and listen and we
know Saaki like and that's the thing too, like you're
because you're right. Both of these I mean, I would
be hypocritical, like both of these third round picks are
guys that you and I talked about throughout the process
that we really liked in this kind of draft range,
you know, late late day two guys, if you later
in day two, if you will.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like if we don't go Keanu Bitten in the second
and we ended up doing Saaki in the third, we
will be over here like, bro, we love it, like
we got us and we're good. We got got a.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Lot of good.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He could be a poor man's Casey Hampton, you know
what I mean, Like not that type of ceiling, but
that type of right. Yeah, Tillman would be like, oh, Man, like,
you know, you got Deontay Johnson with maybe some more upsides,
you know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Like.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Cerebral route runner but better hands. You know, you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And and Dewan Jones'd be like Dewan Jones would be
like we got him in the fourth round.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
He could have been a second round You're right, all right,
maybe in the drown I can't.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I cannot be hypocritical, although I do love being hypocritical,
all right.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's a blast to be a hypocrite. You should try something.
But but but you know, you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think those top three picks as well too, when
you kind of grain them on a curve a little bit,
considering they didn't pick until seventy fourth overall, and you
really look that they got. They've got a lot of
guys that they need development, they need some time. Certainly
they're not finished products, but there's a lot to work
with there, and Cedric Tillman, Siaki Aika, and then Dewan Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I mean, really, the way that we're gonna be great
in this classes if Deshaun Watson another year like how
we just did, now, we're gonna be seeing that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's like the mega Fitzpatrick thing, right. No one, you
gotta make no one was complaining. No one was complaining
in what was a twenty nineteen the Steelers right when
the Steelers took uh didn't pick until like forty nine
and it was uh, it was Chase Claypool.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
No one was complaining that the Steelers didn't have a
first first round pick, right because he had an all
He had an.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All pro safety who was twenty three years old and
was still cost controlled for another three seasons. So you're right,
no one's gonna be really talking about this or complaining
about this if DeShawn Watson returns to form or even
close to the form that we saw him in a
times in Houston.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But that is obviously, uh, you know, part of part
of why we do this and why we break this
all down here.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh no, without a doubt, man and trusting man, there
is no issue with having a little bit of biasness
or having a little bit of you know, well towards
them them them brownies. Okay, so we're not tripping on it.
We're definitely not tripping on it. But I always just
try to keep it, you know, even across the board
when we're evaluating, just because in that sense, man, we
(17:13):
do think that context does matter, because one of the
seasons does get here, we're talking about these players. On
the flip side of we're like game planning and you
know how we do our five star matchups. So when
West makes is you know here, we go song and
stuff like that, and we name drop these guys and
for a reason, because some of them are competitive, some
of them are actually good players, and we want to
make sure that everybody's educated on them. But at the
(17:33):
end of the day, they still will get their head
beat in twice a year, because that's how it goes.
Correct song, same dance, different different players, but nameless.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
The nameless faces change. The coaching staffs may change. Yeah, hey,
are the most I've told you before, Rott. You can
change your religion, you can change your politics, you can
even change a wife, but you can never change the
fact that the Cleveland Browns all the Pittsburgh Steelers, little
(18:06):
brother there, it is dead.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
It is just speaking facts, just speaking facts, all right.
What we do need to do though, before we get
up out of this segment, we talked about all our
draft classes. Okay, how are we ranking them?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But not on a curve? Right? How we ranking Steelers one?
Cleveland four?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Ooh?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Do I like the upside of Zay Flowers or do
I just like? Do I like the quality or do
I like the quantity? That's what I'm asking myself here.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go quality as well too, So
I'll go Steelers won. Baltimore two, Cincinnati three, Cleveland four.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Oh my gosh, is that the same as you? Is
that the same as you got? Are you going different.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Unfortunately, it is the exact same as I have now
because to me, man, I do feel like the Steelers
did hit with the best of worlds. Now, granted we
have more picks and we were more aggressive, but we
were able to get high end talent and high quality
depth we need position to need to. Yeah, we did
both Baltimore and Cincinnati. Like, that's how we kind of
(19:14):
combine this thing. That's why I had us at one.
But then that too, I did like Baltimore. I thought
the Za Flowers pick up, to me, that's would sol it.
Trenton Simpson I like him a lot. I do understand
some of the concerns surrounding him, and I've talked about this.
He is going to have to be able to play
the run when it's at him, because teams are not
(19:36):
going to run away from him. But the same way
I've seen Patrick Queen handle some of that, I think
that Trenton Simpson is going to be in a similar
fashion that he should also be able to develop those
kinds of Characteristically, him playing next to a ro Kwan
Smith is only going to help ease that load for him.
So that's ultimately, you know why I like Baltimore at
(19:58):
number two. But then, yeah, I love the the the
amount of just quality players of Cincinnati guy. Yeah, yeah,
Like I feel like he just got a ton of
just good players.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Guys who have NFL careers.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, because I think like Baltimore, I'm like, they
FLYERSNA make me game plan. But in terms of Cincinnati,
none of those guys persone. I feel like I have
the game plan around. But I feel like they're all good.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Players completely, you know, and you need those type of
guys to win games with championships.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Absolutely, you do, man, you know. And now that's how
I looked at them. So that's why I had Cincinnati
at three. And then for me, the reason Cleveland was
at four is with no skill, they just don't have
the high end talent. Right. Their best pick was in
the third round, seventy fourth overall, So you're just pulling
from a different crop of players, right.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And we could talk about that potential that pee were
at all, but you and I have said, right, potential
is only great for It's only great for so long.
Eventually that p word potential will get you fired.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, And when we're talking the draft, man, first and
second round, your anticipating getting the starter out of there.
Third round it's sixty forty, you get a starter. Fourth
round is fifty to fifty, and then after that, you know,
the percentage to start to shift out of their favor.
So when you take that into context, you're talking about
(21:20):
literally your best two chances being Cedric Tilban and Saki
Aika as being starters. Siaki plays a position where you
really only use this guy two downs, like you're not
keeping them on the field the rush passing.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
No, no, And that's third rounds the range that you
want to take that guy, right.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We also, you know, don't need to act like they
just you know, took some some dominant interior off defensive
lineman here.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah. Yeah. And then obviously when you talk Dwan Jones,
very similar concept, big size and potential, but not a
lot of consistency. So across the board, I was like, man,
I feel like they had more of the flaws, more
of the uncertainty, but it was more so is due
to their circumstances. That's why I had them as the
fourth team. But you know, other than that, though, it
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is always good to know that the Steelers still feel
great about our situation, right, yes, sir, so let's keep winning.
It doesn't matter when we can never win enough, all right,
But with that being the case, man, we are going
to take our final break. And then after that, man,
we will come back to you, to your tweets, your thoughts,
your comments, your concerns. So don't touch that down. It
is Art the Most and Wesley Euler and this is
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