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And at Wesley Euler the good heead days day he is.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And last time and you were having a conversation, we
were getting a little bit of an update right, some
training interest, some names popping up, some people to look
out for, and we talked about it briefly, but I
did want to, you know, spend some time in and
now that we have had a chance to digest the weekend,
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give our thoughts on this here John new Smith Trade Interest,
but shout out to that beautiful pick a Lily t
shirt that you got on it. I'm just throwing it
out there minute, fel it was real football. When I
look at your shirt, I'm just hey, I feel I
feel like I needs wings. I get some wings. Throw
a game.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
When I just feel, you know that's supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's felt real football ly like follish here in western
Pennsylvania lately. Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I know you, I know you saw this on my Instagram,
but I went.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I was down at Akroscher Stadium Saturday night for George
stra Chris Stapleton little Little Country concert, and it felt like.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
A November December football game down there. At the end
of May. It was a kid, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
By the time I got back to my car, like
a little after eleven, I think it was like forty
six degrees outside.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
On the my gosh, on the last day of May.
So yeah, it's feeling like football weather a little bit outside. Hey, look,
it was supposed to be my warior weekend. Open up
the pools, go swimming.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was like, ah, just a little bit chilly, just
a little bit. We got some cooking them, but definitely
was a little bit on the chili side.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Looks a little It looks a little lot better here
in the next few days though, so we'll we'll take it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It's listen, it's June time, all right. We gotta get
some sunshine. You better believe it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Man. It look as long as it's sunshine on Wednesday,
That's all I care.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
About, because I got a graduate baby.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So that's what your boy will be ready for sunshine
on Wednesday. But before we get to that, let's get
back to this here, John Newsmith action, man, what is
going on?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
What is going on? Now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
We know John new Smith has a history with Arthur
Smith date back to Tennessee obviously the team that drafted him.
Then he spent time with Arthur Smith in Atlanta where
once again he you know, has some of his best
seasons as an individual with Arthur Smith. And then we
just talked about how last year, coming off of a
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Pro Bowl season, his best individual season.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
But here we are.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And market legit in the market. I mean, obviously it
was to the point where we're past interest. They were
talking about details. Can we get details him? And I'm like, whoa, whoa,
wait a minute, wait a minute, West. So now that
we got some time, now that on the back end
of the show, let's break this thing down, okay, John Newsmith,
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we obviously say, you know, he's the receiving type of
tight end. We would agree with that, correct, guess. But
I think we could do this one or two or
one or three ways, right, figure, we can have this
exercise as he is the guy that we're bringing in
to be you know, teammates with Pat Fire Move right,
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and we know that that could have a ripple effect
to the other guys in the room. We obviously can
do this where we run the exercise as John Newsmith
replacing Pat frire move as well, because a lot of
similarities between these two particular players. But because I do
think that both avenues are legit, I don't want us
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to rush it, all right, So if it's okay with you,
I would like to start on the happy side of it, right,
John Newsmith coming here in tandem with path Fire move
How are you feeling about that? If that is the
you know, foundation of this here interest that we are
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showing in John Newsmith, I.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Mean I would be very intrigued by that. There are
I mean there are there are a lot of different
angles here. So yeah, let's let's let's start with that one.
It's not quite listen, I I don't it's not quite
as flashy. It's maybe not quite as sexy as two
big name wide receivers DK Metcalf and George Pickens having
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two big name tight ends. But I certainly think it
can still be just as effective, particularly when you consider
how these Steelers like to play football and want to
be an offense that is built upon the run game
and still want to be heavily predicated and kind of
dictating the game on the ground when you you could,
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you can still be a crazy effective offense, you know,
attacking with two more dynamic tight ends than necessarily a
you know, a more playmakers on the outside. We've seen
examples of this over the years. I also think there's
a lot to be said of even though John neu
Smith and Pat Fryermouth, you know, we wouldn't list like
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blocking as their number one traits. I'm not saying they
can't do it. I'm not saying they're poor at it.
It's just as you kind of alluded to. They are
guys that you want to get down the field and
you want to get the football as well too.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I also think when you've got.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
A pair of, you know, young tackles that are both
on their rookie contracts as well, playing with those heavy sets,
playing with a lot of two sided tight end sets, right,
a lot of twelve personnel is not a terrible thing either.
I think I can help a young offensive line, particularly
two young tackles.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So I the idea of John.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
New Smith with Pat Fryarmuth would be intriguing to me
because I think there's a lot of mismatched nightmares that
you could cause there. Because I think they could help
out those young tackles a little bit as well too,
and because that just feels like something that would fit
with the personnel that they have, with Arthur Smith's offense,
with how we know they want to run the football,
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all of those different things. So on the surface, very
intrigued certainly for a guy that had you know, nearly
ninety receptions last year, almost nine hundred yards and a
handful of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean, we can say it nicely, he's a
receiverent tighten him and Pat Fryar move. Let's see, for example,
just last year he had one hundred and eleven targets.
That's not a blocking tight en man. That's the dude
you're trying to get out there. I mean, we talk
about the most targets move As had in the season.
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I think it's ninety eight at one point. That's high valume.
That is a guy that you want out running routes,
not a guy you want dealing with outside linebackers and dns.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Let those dudes run down the grass.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But that is the part that Yeah, I'm glad you
had said what you said about not necessarily relying upon
the traditional explosive passing attack that most people think of
when we say passing offense. You think, I gotta have
multiple wide receivers and that's the only way that we're
going to get it down the grass. But that isn't
the only way to have success, especially throwing the football.
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And we've seen teams from the Tom Brady Patriots era.
We obviously know Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey what they
have been able to do, but there are multiple teams
that have had success working with multiple tight ends, essentially
playing the big man game right instead of it always
being small ball speed and spacing you out. This is
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really on par with what the Steelers have been doing
this and so zigging when everybody else zags. We talk
about how it's a passing league, but yeah, we want
to run the ball, play defense, and be physical as heck.
We talk about how, okay you want to throw the
ball down the grass. Okay, you need wide receivers. But
with this scenario, it's like, man, you.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Got your DK, who is your true down the grass guy.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But by having two tight ends, what that does potentially
open up.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is one on one matchups for DK. And why is that?
I'm gonna nerge you guys out.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
But from a defensive standpoint, when you're playing against twelve
personnel meaning two tight ends, thirteen personnel meaning one running back,
three tight ends, you're not playing nickel. Benie Bishop doesn't
see the field right. So if Beanie Bishop isn't on
the field, that means I got two linebackers that are
outside right high Smith tj her big Jack Sawyer right.
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So coverage wise, I'm not about to ask them to
get exotic like I would ask Beanie Bishop to get exotic.
I'm not about to ask Patrick, Queen, I want you
to blitch. So that way I could keep this guy
in courage because I like when you blitz and sub
package no and sub package as Beanie Bishop.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
If it's Dime, that's an extra.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Safety or corner and base that is a linebacker, and
you don't want to play those games. And what essentially
happens is this, you play Man Cover three or Cover four,
It's like whatever your flavor is, you are going to
be in that consistently. And there isn't a big menu
because big guys aren't designed to do exiety coverages, baby
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uh uh. We get to what we need to get to.
We might window dress a little bit, but other than that, man,
I don't play with us like that. Man, we don't
got time for that type of stuff. And I think
that that's the part from the stellerst perspective where that
kind of goes with what they want to do.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
They're building up a big bully.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
We're trying to see we could be the biggest bully
because we know Baltimore out bully as last year, but.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We're trying to be the biggest bully. You look at
what we've done in the trenches.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Hm, yo, man, what's what's what's the uh two hundred
and two wrestling record? What one man?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Again? What's that guy? Two hundred and one and a
half losses? That that guy? Yeah, he's the same right right.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But then from there, we talk about mccormber, We talk
about say you my loook, We talk about the two
first rounders, right file Tanu and uh Broderick. We're trying
to let you know we want to beat you the
heck up there, And how do I protect my young tackles? Man,
it's a lot easier to protect for two to three
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seconds than it is protecting for three to five seconds.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
My thought process too, when you're talking to the tight ends,
you're getting the ball out a lot quicker than if
you're throwing the ball down.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Two to three seconds tops, Like three is like whoa,
you must be running like a deep route for three
seconds like a Kelsey Travis boss up.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
So as a whole, when you're looking at these tackles
and we're questioning our overall confidence in and we're questioning
will they be able to hold up down the grass,
sometimes it's better to just say less is more instead
of me having to make those guys prove that they
can block three, four or five sometimes six seconds if
a guy's extending to play and running around back there.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Man, let's simplify.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Let's get it to where this is where we're going,
and by matchup and sometimes because of the big personnel
group is by the alignment, these dudes are going to
be visually open a lot sooner than they win it
being I think these are a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That could benefit this offense.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We are going to take a break real quick though,
I because, like I said, I feel like I'm getting
long winded over here and I don't want to talk
us and get the clock off, all right, So when
we come back, we're gonna finish up some more of
this John Newsmith with Patrick you know Friar move scenario,
and then we'll transition to that other side. But you
ry know the Joe, don't touch that down. Arthur Motes,
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Wes Leuler. This is the Steelers Blitz on Steelers Nation
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Speaker 1 (13:33):
Steelers Flitz with Wesley Uler and Arthur Mose on your
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Arthur Motes Wesley Uler back.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
For the second segment of the Steelers Blitz, given off thoughts, comments,
and concerns about what life would be like with John
Newsmith and Pat Fryar move if the Stealers were to
make a trade with the Miami Dolphins for the probe
tight end.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
John new Smith said, I don't hate it. I don't
hate it, but let me get back to.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Look his first propole season man, something that we're hoping
that Pat Freibof will be able to accomplish sooner rather
than later. But you know, it's one of those things that, yes,
there are certain things that are in favor for Pat
fire move, but there are some other numbers that are
going to.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Be in favor for John new Smith.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And I think that that's the reason why we're having
the conversation, whether we are about it going either way,
them together or one replacing the other. But the other part,
in terms of when we're talking about this big body
personnel grouping being able to attack teams like that, that's
what made Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski so tough to
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deal with because you're not playing them with little defenders.
If you put a Beanie Bishop and you know, I
love Beanie Man, I'm a huge Beanie Bishop fan, but
putting him against a pat fire move for even a
John new Smith is a mismatch in the since that
they can.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Always do the okay, check the run right here.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Now you have move blocking Beanie or you have John
Why blocking Beanie that doesn't hit the same And then
obviously we talk about the size in terms of just yo,
do the box out right, go run down the grass,
turn around at ten yards.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
He's on your backside.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
He has to commit a penalty in order to make
this play on you and you guys have shown an
ability to consistently make those type of catches. So that's
why you're forced as a defender to put linebackers or
bigger safeties on these guys. But by doing that, it
minimizes what you can do coverage, which then simplifies it
for young quarterback or right and we're seeing Mason right,
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Mason mid tier veteran, or you're looking at the world,
howards of the world right the skylet Thompson's what gives
you something that you feel can translate to next man up,
something that you feel is almost feel proof less is more.
We don't need you to be the forty million dollar
drive the Bentley No, no, no, no, We're gonna done this
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down for you.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Get us from point A to point B. We'll take
care of the rest.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
That's the other positive that I do potentially see, you know,
with this John new Smith interest. Now you obviously know
Arthur Smith has this history with John new Smith. Though, Yes,
does that weigh any more on the scale for you
when you're thinking about, you know, John new Smith in
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just what this role could look like for him being here?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, certainly.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I think when you hire somebody to do a job,
you want to give them the most possible tools to succeed. Right,
and the Steelers did something that they hadn't done, Arthur motes,
what can I make this since the Beatles were still
on tour joke for the first time in a long now, hey,
now you know not too long ago when they fired
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Matt Canada in season just two seasons ago. Right, we
hadn't seen them do that in deca like literal decades
since they had had done something like that. You bring
in Arthur Smith to to, you know, to change a
unit that you clearly thought was nowhere near good enough.
When you made a decision like that that you haven't
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made again in literal decades. Any any coach needs their
type of guys, guys that fit their systems, square pegs
for the square hole, round peg for the round hole,
not you know, not the opposite type thing. And I
think last year at times, and hey it was the
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first year, right, I mean, that's always going to be
the key. You're You're never going to all of a
sudden be able to implement with the exact type of
guys that you want. There's always gonna be some crossover
of guys who were carried over and you got to
get what you can out. You got to find some
happy kind of medium. But ideally, now as you get
more into this thing, you want to give him some
more guys that fit his system. This is clearly one
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of those has spent five years in the past, you know,
playing for him, the four in Tennessee and the one
in Atlanta. Yeah, I think from that standpoint, like, and
this is one of those, you know, we'd love to
know if we were able to be the proverbial fly
on the wall in the room when they have these
conversation things. But if Arthur Smith was the one that's like, hey,
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you know John Hu Smith wants a new contract in Miami.
He's not getting it. Like, if this guy's available, let's
go get him.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
And now that's probably a little too in depth. I
don't know if Arthur Smith's going that too in depth.
But if someone's just saying he's available and.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Arthur Smith, if that's the conversation, man, But.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
If it was just like a hey, you know, John
Hu Smith might be available, and and Arthur Smith didn't
go eh no, like he like sat up in his
chair and was like, oh, really, let's go get him, you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Know, like, then then I would. I would absolutely. I
want to.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I want to really let him mold this offense in
his image. And obviously to do that, he's gonna need
to be able to. I think can pick some.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Guys now without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I mean, look, we know how we reacted when we
saw him sign Michael Pruitt right, we knew that that
was one of his guys multiple stops, and we could
see the excitement and even just the usage right trying
to implement him and get him into the get him
more involved from a production standpoint, John new Smith, I'm like, oh,
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that'll be that but on a thousand, you know, or
times a thousand, just because not only do they have
a history, but John new Swift is actually produced at
a much higher clip, a much more consistent clip. I mean,
you talk about the four years he was with Arthur
Smith in Tennessee, it got better each and every year.
Started out with one hundred and fifty seven yards. It
ended with back to back four hundred plus receiving yard seasons.
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Last year was four forty eight with eight touchdowns all right.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Then from there you talked about Atlanta up until last year.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He had his career high in Atlanta up until last year,
right where you had another five eighty two, multiple tuddies.
So then you take them to Miami where he finally
gets the volume.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That was his first year having over seventy targets right,
one hundred and eleven targets. He gives you eighty eight
receptions that you lay it out almost nine hundred receptions
plus eight touchdowns. It's like, if you're Arthur Smith, not
only do you feel confident in this dude because of
the relationship, but you're also looking at him and saying,
each year you continue to get better, each opportunity you
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continue to vertically ascend, and that shows me number one,
that you're not complacent, but it also lets me know
that you're a dude that understands how to evolve with
this game. And that's part of the challenge when we're
talking about younger players, their evolution to the speed, the size,
the different schemes.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right, not everybody can.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Adjust to it and consistently do those things while all
also adapting to the just however changing the game is.
But to me, I just think if you're Arthur Smith,
you have to be looking his hand. I for sure
have it with this guy who behind closed doors. He
has to have a better relationship with Johnny just because
he spent more time with john new Smith in comparison
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to obviously with Move where he's only been here for
just one year. So I think with all of that
that does make it a lot more of an intriguing ding.
And like I said, why I would be a fan
of both of those guys being here together inphantans on
both together?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, like both together?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, right, we we we were kind of having some
of these similar same church different pewed DK Metcalf and
George Pickens together conversations and then that's not happening. Now
this this one would I think it would have to
be it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Now, hold on, now, it was both that was supposed
to be together too. It just depends on who who
you're going off of. Do you take it from the
horse's mouth or we speculate against what?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, you can cite that, all right, cite that in
your sources.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I'm sorry, all right, I'm sorry. I uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And you know what too, from a from a standpoint
of of opening things up for Pat Fryarmouth, I mean, dude,
you you add a you had a you had a
you know, a Jon new Smith and a dk metcalf
as as weapons in this offseason.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I mean, my goodness. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
So there's again there, there's a lot that feels like
it would make sense there. Okay, you know, if we
were all kind of thinking, all right, Steelers are in
the wide receiver market. Wide receiver market once again, wide
receiver market. Here we go again. We've been having these
conversations for like a year now, it seems, and you know,
they were kind of doing the like the you know,
the slight of hand thing, like make every buddy look
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over here at the right hand while the left hand
was doing the trick and going in acquiring another playmaker,
just another tight end playmaker.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Cool, Like, I'm all, I'm I'm I'm good with that.
I am I'm in on that.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And so I I I obviously think that there's a
real chance that this is a possibility.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
There's you know, there's there's other angles of it too.
There's the whole like, you know, is he just angle?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Is this all just part of a negotiation for an
inevitable new contract with the Dolphins and all those things?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But when Adam Jeff there they're paying on four million,
that's and that's the other part of it, is like
it could make sense or it would make sense.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
He would want more come on Pro Bowl season? Correct?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Oh absolutely, I mean having you know again nearly ninety receptions,
nearly nine hundred yards and eight and eight touchdowns. I
wonder how that factors. I mean, what's your what's your
thought on that too, I mean just with the like it's.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, move, we know Roof has the new contract and
you just gave a new contract.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think the thing is this financially,
we know we can afford it. And I think that's
the big part financially, we can afford it because who
is our quarterback currently.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Mason Rudolph exactly how many this year the Steelers are
playing a game in this Sunday come on now, come
on now.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And we saw some of the reports that, hey, if
there is a scenario where Aaron Rodgers decides not to
play for us, we're more than likely going forward with
a quarterback that is not going to be costing more
than ten million dollars for the next.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Three years, not more than five million dollars. That's the reality.
You catch what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So with that, do we have the ability to bring
in at John Newsmith and pay him while we know
we still have uh Pat Frye moof who's under contract
getting paid?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Absolutely we do.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Like I said, John new is getting four million dollars
for twenty twenty five. That's it, right, So if we
were to bump them up, I mean just throwing out numbers, right,
we know what Mouth is making this year. He's averaging
twelve a year. I personally feel like Mouth has been
i mean a rock star for us in his home runs.
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So that's why you're paying what you're paying them. John
new Smith, though, when we talk about numbers, especially dating
back to twenty twenty when Moth came into the league.
For both of these dudes, though, we're talking a difference
of not even two hundred yards receiving and maybe four
or five touchdowns. Like they're pretty much spot on from
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a production standpoint. In fact, John new has the Pro
Bowl is slightly more receiving yards. Mouth has the more
touchdowns though, and it's like, yeah, Drew. The dudes like Drew,
and they're probably using it. They're probably using FI yes
framework template of what they want.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So I'm like, if you don't want to give him
twelve a year, because you're saying, all right, a year
or two older, bounced around a little bit more, man,
we can double you and start you anywhere between eight
to ten.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
And I think that that's still great value. You're getting production.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
He's happy now, and you've still got money to go
spend somewhere else because we know how much we have
from a cap standpoint, this waiting wise way well, because
we thought we were going to spend forty million dollars
with a quarterback. Clearly where we're taking a different approach
right now from a financial standpoint, right unless Aaron Rodgers
wakes up tomorrow and says he wants fifty.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
We're not under the impression that we're about to be
spending all that type of money. Right, This changed everything. Yeah,
but as long as that's not the scenario, which we
don't think it is, you most definitely can afford a
John new Smith. And for sure, if we don't roll
with Aaron Rodgers, well yeah you get Johnny Swift. If
you still want to get one of these free agent anythings,
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you have that ability, that capability. Also said, there are
a lot of intriguing parts with this. I don't want
to rush you though, I don't want to rush you.
So we're gonna take another break real quick. But when
we get back to finish up this first hour, gotta
get your thoughts on what you're willing to pay this man,
you know, and what makes sense from a contract standpoint,
and then from there we'll transition to that other side.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But you're right, no, don't touch that down, Martha.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
The most that's Wesley Uler, and this is the Steelers Blitz.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Is the Steelers Blitz with Wesley Euler and Arthur Motes
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Speaker 3 (27:50):
Arthur Most, Wesley Euler, Steel Liss Blitz, final segment of
the first hour, and uh yeah, talking this John new
Smith talk really unpacking it since they caught us at
the end of the work week last week, how you
gonna hit us with some trade interest on the end
of the week news dump?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Don't y'all play with us like that? Nah? Uh uh
uh uh. So of course we had to come back
to him. What's you know? How we do? No off this?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
You know this, y'all? I thought y'all was slick, just
casually dumps in the week. You don't forget about it
about Monday?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
No, we won't. We're here, We're ready.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But the final thing that I did want to get
your thoughts on, in terms of John new Smith and
Pat Fry move being here together contractually, right, what does
that look like? I said, for me, the number that
I was kind of comfortable with, or the number that
I think would make sense from my perspective. But obviously, man,
you just as involved in this thing, so I gots
to hear how you feel and what number would you
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pay him? Knowing that you already got a move, you
might say man, I ain't paying more than five.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't need to pay double while I do that.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I honestly I not to like cop out here, but
I liked your idea of you know, hey, something in
the eight to ten range.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That is doubling or more than doubling what you've been making.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, you just had a career year, but you're also
going to turn thirty this season, right, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Something in that range.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Easy on that thirty slander, Easy on the thirty slander,
the thirty slide, Like, I'm that right there with you
said that you wait out listen, you and I we just.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Think about that.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't like it any more than you do, all right,
But for our age, like from athlete conversation, I mean
we're all like, like general population, we're still on the
younger side in our thirties, but athlete conversation we're basically dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
So you know, thirty you agent dog years.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
What anytime they asked me, hey, most you still like
you could play, you still would have go out there.
I'm washed, okay, capitol wa.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I look like I could play compared to the average
thirty seven year old, but not the twenty seven year
olds that were.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
In the national to an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, those two of these look very different,
all right, very very different.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, no doubt, but yeah, I think something in that
range would be fair. I think you have the money
to do that, like you said, certainly, while the quarterback
situation is what it is, I wonder what you know
what some what what the trade compensation would look like
as well too.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Obviously that's the one theme that does make me like
pause a little like Dune. That's about the trade something
to go get something that we already got it.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
What did they what do they want?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Is we just we just gave up a second round
pick this past year to go get DK Metcalf And
I noticed I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Want to do any I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Don't we want to don't we all kind of want
to sit on our people to use them to go
get our next ranchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Then we talk about this.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Then we all talk about this, and we talk about this,
you talk about this, we talk about this.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Man, can we not forget the plan? All right?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
We got a plan in place. Let's stick to the plan.
The plan is save up all our money so we
could big spend next year. Y'all trying to spend all
that money this year. We got to save it for
next year. All that draft capital, all that cash is
for next year.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Man, that's it. I thought we were. I thought we
were saving up here, all right. I thought we know.
I thought we were.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I thought we were putting them all in the piggy
bank and waiting to cash you in in April.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But here we are, here we all if we do,
is there like a what's the line of demarcation for
you from a draft capital standpoint? Because I think numbers wise,
we were were on the same page in terms of
eight to ten. We're cool with that. But what's your number?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
None? We all got a number. What's your number? I
would like to I would like to say a day three? Pick.
Don't you give me that open ended nonsense? No, put
a date on it. Put what day three? Which part
of day three? Day three? Pick? No? No, no, no?
Are you talking four? Phew? Which day three? Which part
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of the day three?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Because it's a lot of it's a lot of lee
wearing that day three element.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Man, there is there is, And obviously I'm leaning towards
earlier in that day three, Like if it was if
a total hypothetical situation here, if you could tell me
right now that it was like a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And you're you're paying them, you're paying them, you still
got to give them a contract.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
So yeah, right, you're telling me it's a fifth round
pick and you're paying them like nine ten million a year.
I think something I think something like that would be
very reasonable. Now if the if the number is the
you know, if the number is seven or eight, maybe
I'm willing to go to a four fourth round pick.
If the number is eleven or twelve, maybe I want
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a sixth round pick. But I you know, I think
something like we said, like in that nine to ten
range for about a fifth round pick, that would that
would really make my ears, make my ears prick.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Up, and I would be, uh, I'd be I'd be
very intrigued.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And see this is my only hesitancy. I'm just like,
he has to win double ditches. I think you're literally
talking about bumping up three or four million dollars for
a Pro Bowl tight end. I mean you the Dolphins
were crying all out. We know y'all ain't got it
like that man like ain like y'all just got all
this winning and all this kill.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's quarterback Tyreek Waddle and Ramsey Who y'all keep talking
about trading all off season? Tyreek Kill. He been talking
about trading, or at least he's been talking about trading
since the season. So we know JOHNNYO is a guy
that y'all actually do need. Yeah, but to just you know,
casually be willing to move home from them for just
a handful of MS. From an NFL perspective, we obviously
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know in real life that's nothing. There's nothing, no such
nigg as a handful of m's all right, correct, thousand
dollars a lot of Day one hundred was a lot
of money, all right, let's be real about it. Let's
be real. But you know, when we're looking at this
this part, I'm just like knowing that we still have
to do the contract. I personally don't want to go
harder than a fifth. I would love to do a
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six because I'm like, I'm gonna have to at least
I'm in the game eight ms or not.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I want to say at least six MS, because I
feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
For this to get done has to be really wanting
ten you know what I mean, Like, because you brotter yourself.
He's gonna look at Moose deal. Moose deal wasn't this year, right,
so we know that even Moose's deal is aging yesterday's price,
Ruth is gonna want more money. Right at some point
Mouth is gonna be ready to get a new deal.
(34:52):
So that's the thing that I'm just looking at those numbers,
and I'm saying, the more I think of that, the
more I say, I really, I think I'm a I
think I'm gonna put my flag in the ground at six,
all right, I'd how my Baker Reagan Mayfield moment at six,
all right? Round six is, yeah, plant my flag. I
don't want it after that, especially when I know it's
going to cost both tea and on them. He's gonna
need tea for next year.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, I feel like I could use that six, and
I might flip that with something else in the draft. Actually,
I might give you like a first, a six, a
conditional third, air and fourth and move up to the
top five, top top five.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, never know, never, I I it is, though, it's
a it's an interesting time to be to be projecting
any of your future draft picks in a trade or
anything like that, because we know, we know this upcoming draft,
not just because it's in Pittsburgh, could be a pretty
pretty important one for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
No, without a doubt, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
But enough of the sunshine and rainbows, enough of the
can't we all just get along?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
We know what the people really came here for.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
They came here to hear some of that toxic They
want to hear some of that. Well, what if he's
here to replace some Well, you know what, you're gonna
have to come back on that next hour. We're gonna
talk about if John Knew Smith in this trade interest
is not to pair with Pat fryar move, But if
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it's to replace Pat, don't touch that down.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
And last time and you were having a conversation, we
were getting a little bit of an update right, some
training interest, some names popping up, some people to look
out for, and we talked about it briefly, but I
did want to, you know, spend some time in and
now that we have had a chance to digest the weekend,
(01:51):
give our thoughts on this here John new Smith Trade Interest,
but shout out to that beautiful pick a Lily t
shirt that you got on it. I'm just throwing it
out there minute, fel it was real football. When I
look at your shirt, I'm just hey, I feel I
feel like I needs wings. I get some wings. Throw
a game.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
When I just feel, you know that's supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's felt real football ly like follish here in western
Pennsylvania lately. Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I know you, I know you saw this on my Instagram,
but I went.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I was down at Akroscher Stadium Saturday night for George
stra Chris Stapleton little Little Country concert, and it felt like.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
A November December football game down there. At the end
of May. It was a kid, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
By the time I got back to my car, like
a little after eleven, I think it was like forty
six degrees outside.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
On the my gosh, on the last day of May.
So yeah, it's feeling like football weather a little bit outside. Hey, look,
it was supposed to be my warior weekend. Open up
the pools, go swimming.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was like, ah, just a little bit chilly, just
a little bit. We got some cooking them, but definitely
was a little bit on the chili side.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Looks a little It looks a little lot better here
in the next few days though, so we'll we'll take it.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It's listen, it's June time, all right. We gotta get
some sunshine. You better believe it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Man. It look as long as it's sunshine on Wednesday,
That's all I care.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
About, because I got a graduate baby.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So that's what your boy will be ready for sunshine
on Wednesday. But before we get to that, let's get
back to this here, John Newsmith action, man, what is
going on?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
What is going on? Now?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
We know John new Smith has a history with Arthur
Smith date back to Tennessee obviously the team that drafted him.
Then he spent time with Arthur Smith in Atlanta where
once again he you know, has some of his best
seasons as an individual with Arthur Smith. And then we
just talked about how last year, coming off of a
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Pro Bowl season, his best individual season.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
But here we are.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And market legit in the market. I mean, obviously it
was to the point where we're past interest. They were
talking about details. Can we get details him? And I'm like, whoa, whoa,
wait a minute, wait a minute, West. So now that
we got some time, now that on the back end
of the show, let's break this thing down, okay, John Newsmith,
(04:22):
we obviously say, you know, he's the receiving type of
tight end. We would agree with that, correct, guess. But
I think we could do this one or two or
one or three ways, right, figure, we can have this
exercise as he is the guy that we're bringing in
to be you know, teammates with Pat Fire Move right,
(04:43):
and we know that that could have a ripple effect
to the other guys in the room. We obviously can
do this where we run the exercise as John Newsmith
replacing Pat frire move as well, because a lot of
similarities between these two particular players. But because I do
think that both avenues are legit, I don't want us
(05:08):
to rush it, all right, So if it's okay with you,
I would like to start on the happy side of it, right,
John Newsmith coming here in tandem with path Fire move
How are you feeling about that? If that is the
you know, foundation of this here interest that we are
(05:29):
showing in John Newsmith, I.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Mean I would be very intrigued by that. There are
I mean there are there are a lot of different
angles here. So yeah, let's let's let's start with that one.
It's not quite listen, I I don't it's not quite
as flashy. It's maybe not quite as sexy as two
big name wide receivers DK Metcalf and George Pickens having
(05:54):
two big name tight ends. But I certainly think it
can still be just as effective, particularly when you consider
how these Steelers like to play football and want to
be an offense that is built upon the run game
and still want to be heavily predicated and kind of
dictating the game on the ground when you you could,
(06:16):
you can still be a crazy effective offense, you know,
attacking with two more dynamic tight ends than necessarily a
you know, a more playmakers on the outside. We've seen
examples of this over the years. I also think there's
a lot to be said of even though John neu
Smith and Pat Fryermouth, you know, we wouldn't list like
(06:40):
blocking as their number one traits. I'm not saying they
can't do it. I'm not saying they're poor at it.
It's just as you kind of alluded to. They are
guys that you want to get down the field and
you want to get the football as well too.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I also think when you've got.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
A pair of, you know, young tackles that are both
on their rookie contracts as well, playing with those heavy sets,
playing with a lot of two sided tight end sets, right,
a lot of twelve personnel is not a terrible thing either.
I think I can help a young offensive line, particularly
two young tackles.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So I the idea of John.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
New Smith with Pat Fryarmuth would be intriguing to me
because I think there's a lot of mismatched nightmares that
you could cause there. Because I think they could help
out those young tackles a little bit as well too,
and because that just feels like something that would fit
with the personnel that they have, with Arthur Smith's offense,
with how we know they want to run the football,
(07:33):
all of those different things. So on the surface, very
intrigued certainly for a guy that had you know, nearly
ninety receptions last year, almost nine hundred yards and a
handful of touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean, we can say it nicely, he's a
receiverent tighten him and Pat Fryar move. Let's see, for example,
just last year he had one hundred and eleven targets.
That's not a blocking tight en man. That's the dude
you're trying to get out there. I mean, we talk
about the most targets move As had in the season.
(08:07):
I think it's ninety eight at one point. That's high valume.
That is a guy that you want out running routes,
not a guy you want dealing with outside linebackers and dns.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Let those dudes run down the grass.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But that is the part that Yeah, I'm glad you
had said what you said about not necessarily relying upon
the traditional explosive passing attack that most people think of
when we say passing offense. You think, I gotta have
multiple wide receivers and that's the only way that we're
going to get it down the grass. But that isn't
the only way to have success, especially throwing the football.
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And we've seen teams from the Tom Brady Patriots era.
We obviously know Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey what they
have been able to do, but there are multiple teams
that have had success working with multiple tight ends, essentially
playing the big man game right instead of it always
being small ball speed and spacing you out. This is
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really on par with what the Steelers have been doing
this and so zigging when everybody else zags. We talk
about how it's a passing league, but yeah, we want
to run the ball, play defense, and be physical as heck.
We talk about how, okay you want to throw the
ball down the grass. Okay, you need wide receivers. But
with this scenario, it's like, man, you.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Got your DK, who is your true down the grass guy.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But by having two tight ends, what that does potentially
open up.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is one on one matchups for DK. And why is that?
I'm gonna nerge you guys out.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
But from a defensive standpoint, when you're playing against twelve
personnel meaning two tight ends, thirteen personnel meaning one running back,
three tight ends, you're not playing nickel. Benie Bishop doesn't
see the field right. So if Beanie Bishop isn't on
the field, that means I got two linebackers that are
outside right high Smith tj her big Jack Sawyer right.
(10:02):
So coverage wise, I'm not about to ask them to
get exotic like I would ask Beanie Bishop to get exotic.
I'm not about to ask Patrick, Queen, I want you
to blitch. So that way I could keep this guy
in courage because I like when you blitz and sub
package no and sub package as Beanie Bishop.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
If it's Dime, that's an extra.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Safety or corner and base that is a linebacker, and
you don't want to play those games. And what essentially
happens is this, you play Man Cover three or Cover four,
It's like whatever your flavor is, you are going to
be in that consistently. And there isn't a big menu
because big guys aren't designed to do exiety coverages, baby
(10:45):
uh uh. We get to what we need to get to.
We might window dress a little bit, but other than that, man,
I don't play with us like that. Man, we don't
got time for that type of stuff. And I think
that that's the part from the stellerst perspective where that
kind of goes with what they want to do.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
They're building up a big bully.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
We're trying to see we could be the biggest bully
because we know Baltimore out bully as last year, but.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We're trying to be the biggest bully. You look at
what we've done in the trenches.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Hm, yo, man, what's what's what's the uh two hundred
and two wrestling record? What one man?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Again? What's that guy? Two hundred and one and a
half losses? That that guy? Yeah, he's the same right right.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But then from there, we talk about mccormber, We talk
about say you my loook, We talk about the two
first rounders, right file Tanu and uh Broderick. We're trying
to let you know we want to beat you the
heck up there, And how do I protect my young tackles? Man,
it's a lot easier to protect for two to three
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seconds than it is protecting for three to five seconds.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
My thought process too, when you're talking to the tight ends,
you're getting the ball out a lot quicker than if
you're throwing the ball down.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Two to three seconds tops, Like three is like whoa,
you must be running like a deep route for three
seconds like a Kelsey Travis boss up.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
So as a whole, when you're looking at these tackles
and we're questioning our overall confidence in and we're questioning
will they be able to hold up down the grass,
sometimes it's better to just say less is more instead
of me having to make those guys prove that they
can block three, four or five sometimes six seconds if
a guy's extending to play and running around back there.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Man, let's simplify.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Let's get it to where this is where we're going,
and by matchup and sometimes because of the big personnel
group is by the alignment, these dudes are going to
be visually open a lot sooner than they win it
being I think these are a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
That could benefit this offense.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
We are going to take a break real quick though,
I because, like I said, I feel like I'm getting
long winded over here and I don't want to talk
us and get the clock off, all right, So when
we come back, we're gonna finish up some more of
this John Newsmith with Patrick you know Friar move scenario,
and then we'll transition to that other side. But you
ry know the Joe, don't touch that down. Arthur Motes,
(13:15):
Wes Leuler. This is the Steelers Blitz on Steelers Nation
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Speaker 1 (13:33):
Steelers Flitz with Wesley Uler and Arthur Mose on your
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Speaker 3 (13:44):
For the second segment of the Steelers Blitz, given off thoughts, comments,
and concerns about what life would be like with John
Newsmith and Pat Fryar move if the Stealers were to
make a trade with the Miami Dolphins for the probe
tight end.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
John new Smith said, I don't hate it. I don't
hate it, but let me get back to.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Look his first propole season man, something that we're hoping
that Pat Freibof will be able to accomplish sooner rather
than later. But you know, it's one of those things that, yes,
there are certain things that are in favor for Pat
fire move, but there are some other numbers that are
going to.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Be in favor for John new Smith.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And I think that that's the reason why we're having
the conversation, whether we are about it going either way,
them together or one replacing the other. But the other part,
in terms of when we're talking about this big body
personnel grouping being able to attack teams like that, that's
what made Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski so tough to
(14:45):
deal with because you're not playing them with little defenders.
If you put a Beanie Bishop and you know, I
love Beanie Man, I'm a huge Beanie Bishop fan, but
putting him against a pat fire move for even a
John new Smith is a mismatch in the since that
they can.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Always do the okay, check the run right here.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Now you have move blocking Beanie or you have John
Why blocking Beanie that doesn't hit the same And then
obviously we talk about the size in terms of just yo,
do the box out right, go run down the grass,
turn around at ten yards.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
He's on your backside.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
He has to commit a penalty in order to make
this play on you and you guys have shown an
ability to consistently make those type of catches. So that's
why you're forced as a defender to put linebackers or
bigger safeties on these guys. But by doing that, it
minimizes what you can do coverage, which then simplifies it
for young quarterback or right and we're seeing Mason right,
(15:42):
Mason mid tier veteran, or you're looking at the world,
howards of the world right the skylet Thompson's what gives
you something that you feel can translate to next man up,
something that you feel is almost feel proof less is more.
We don't need you to be the forty million dollar
drive the Bentley No, no, no, no, We're gonna done this
(16:03):
down for you.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Get us from point A to point B. We'll take
care of the rest.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
That's the other positive that I do potentially see, you know,
with this John new Smith interest. Now you obviously know
Arthur Smith has this history with John new Smith. Though, Yes,
does that weigh any more on the scale for you
when you're thinking about, you know, John new Smith in
(16:28):
just what this role could look like for him being here?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, certainly.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I think when you hire somebody to do a job,
you want to give them the most possible tools to succeed. Right,
and the Steelers did something that they hadn't done, Arthur motes,
what can I make this since the Beatles were still
on tour joke for the first time in a long now, hey,
now you know not too long ago when they fired
(16:55):
Matt Canada in season just two seasons ago. Right, we
hadn't seen them do that in deca like literal decades
since they had had done something like that. You bring
in Arthur Smith to to, you know, to change a
unit that you clearly thought was nowhere near good enough.
When you made a decision like that that you haven't
(17:16):
made again in literal decades. Any any coach needs their
type of guys, guys that fit their systems, square pegs
for the square hole, round peg for the round hole,
not you know, not the opposite type thing. And I
think last year at times, and hey it was the
(17:36):
first year, right, I mean, that's always going to be
the key. You're You're never going to all of a
sudden be able to implement with the exact type of
guys that you want. There's always gonna be some crossover
of guys who were carried over and you got to
get what you can out. You got to find some
happy kind of medium. But ideally, now as you get
more into this thing, you want to give him some
more guys that fit his system. This is clearly one
(17:58):
of those has spent five years in the past, you know,
playing for him, the four in Tennessee and the one
in Atlanta. Yeah, I think from that standpoint, like, and
this is one of those, you know, we'd love to
know if we were able to be the proverbial fly
on the wall in the room when they have these
conversation things. But if Arthur Smith was the one that's like, hey,
(18:21):
you know John Hu Smith wants a new contract in Miami.
He's not getting it. Like, if this guy's available, let's
go get him.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
And now that's probably a little too in depth. I
don't know if Arthur Smith's going that too in depth.
But if someone's just saying he's available and.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Arthur Smith, if that's the conversation, man, But.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
If it was just like a hey, you know, John
Hu Smith might be available, and and Arthur Smith didn't
go eh no, like he like sat up in his
chair and was like, oh, really, let's go get him, you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Know, like, then then I would. I would absolutely. I
want to.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I want to really let him mold this offense in
his image. And obviously to do that, he's gonna need
to be able to. I think can pick some.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Guys now without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I mean, look, we know how we reacted when we
saw him sign Michael Pruitt right, we knew that that
was one of his guys multiple stops, and we could
see the excitement and even just the usage right trying
to implement him and get him into the get him
more involved from a production standpoint, John new Smith, I'm like, oh,
(19:27):
that'll be that but on a thousand, you know, or
times a thousand, just because not only do they have
a history, but John new Swift is actually produced at
a much higher clip, a much more consistent clip. I mean,
you talk about the four years he was with Arthur
Smith in Tennessee, it got better each and every year.
Started out with one hundred and fifty seven yards. It
ended with back to back four hundred plus receiving yard seasons.
(19:50):
Last year was four forty eight with eight touchdowns all right.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Then from there you talked about Atlanta up until last year.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He had his career high in Atlanta up until last year,
right where you had another five eighty two, multiple tuddies.
So then you take them to Miami where he finally
gets the volume.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
That was his first year having over seventy targets right,
one hundred and eleven targets. He gives you eighty eight
receptions that you lay it out almost nine hundred receptions
plus eight touchdowns. It's like, if you're Arthur Smith, not
only do you feel confident in this dude because of
the relationship, but you're also looking at him and saying,
each year you continue to get better, each opportunity you
(20:33):
continue to vertically ascend, and that shows me number one,
that you're not complacent, but it also lets me know
that you're a dude that understands how to evolve with
this game. And that's part of the challenge when we're
talking about younger players, their evolution to the speed, the size,
the different schemes.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right, not everybody can.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Adjust to it and consistently do those things while all
also adapting to the just however changing the game is.
But to me, I just think if you're Arthur Smith,
you have to be looking his hand. I for sure
have it with this guy who behind closed doors. He
has to have a better relationship with Johnny just because
he spent more time with john new Smith in comparison
(21:19):
to obviously with Move where he's only been here for
just one year. So I think with all of that
that does make it a lot more of an intriguing ding.
And like I said, why I would be a fan
of both of those guys being here together inphantans on
both together?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, like both together?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, right, we we we were kind of having some
of these similar same church different pewed DK Metcalf and
George Pickens together conversations and then that's not happening. Now
this this one would I think it would have to
be it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Now, hold on, now, it was both that was supposed
to be together too. It just depends on who who
you're going off of. Do you take it from the
horse's mouth or we speculate against what?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, you can cite that, all right, cite that in
your sources.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I'm sorry, all right, I'm sorry. I uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And you know what too, from a from a standpoint
of of opening things up for Pat Fryarmouth, I mean, dude,
you you add a you had a you had a
you know, a Jon new Smith and a dk metcalf
as as weapons in this offseason.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I mean, my goodness. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
So there's again there, there's a lot that feels like
it would make sense there. Okay, you know, if we
were all kind of thinking, all right, Steelers are in
the wide receiver market. Wide receiver market once again, wide
receiver market. Here we go again. We've been having these
conversations for like a year now, it seems, and you know,
they were kind of doing the like the you know,
the slight of hand thing, like make every buddy look
(23:00):
over here at the right hand while the left hand
was doing the trick and going in acquiring another playmaker,
just another tight end playmaker.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Cool, Like, I'm all, I'm I'm I'm good with that.
I am I'm in on that.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
And so I I I obviously think that there's a
real chance that this is a possibility.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
There's you know, there's there's other angles of it too.
There's the whole like, you know, is he just angle?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Is this all just part of a negotiation for an
inevitable new contract with the Dolphins and all those things?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But when Adam Jeff there they're paying on four million,
that's and that's the other part of it, is like
it could make sense or it would make sense.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
He would want more come on Pro Bowl season? Correct?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Oh absolutely, I mean having you know again nearly ninety receptions,
nearly nine hundred yards and eight and eight touchdowns. I
wonder how that factors. I mean, what's your what's your
thought on that too, I mean just with the like it's.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, move, we know Roof has the new contract and
you just gave a new contract.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think the thing is this financially,
we know we can afford it. And I think that's
the big part financially, we can afford it because who
is our quarterback currently.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Mason Rudolph exactly how many this year the Steelers are
playing a game in this Sunday come on now, come
on now.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And we saw some of the reports that, hey, if
there is a scenario where Aaron Rodgers decides not to
play for us, we're more than likely going forward with
a quarterback that is not going to be costing more
than ten million dollars for the next.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Three years, not more than five million dollars. That's the reality.
You catch what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So with that, do we have the ability to bring
in at John Newsmith and pay him while we know
we still have uh Pat Frye moof who's under contract
getting paid?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Absolutely we do.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Like I said, John new is getting four million dollars
for twenty twenty five. That's it, right, So if we
were to bump them up, I mean just throwing out numbers, right,
we know what Mouth is making this year. He's averaging
twelve a year. I personally feel like Mouth has been
i mean a rock star for us in his home runs.
(25:19):
So that's why you're paying what you're paying them. John
new Smith, though, when we talk about numbers, especially dating
back to twenty twenty when Moth came into the league.
For both of these dudes, though, we're talking a difference
of not even two hundred yards receiving and maybe four
or five touchdowns. Like they're pretty much spot on from
(25:41):
a production standpoint. In fact, John new has the Pro
Bowl is slightly more receiving yards. Mouth has the more
touchdowns though, and it's like, yeah, Drew. The dudes like Drew,
and they're probably using it. They're probably using FI yes
framework template of what they want.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So I'm like, if you don't want to give him
twelve a year, because you're saying, all right, a year
or two older, bounced around a little bit more, man,
we can double you and start you anywhere between eight
to ten.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
And I think that that's still great value. You're getting production.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
He's happy now, and you've still got money to go
spend somewhere else because we know how much we have
from a cap standpoint, this waiting wise way well, because
we thought we were going to spend forty million dollars
with a quarterback. Clearly where we're taking a different approach
right now from a financial standpoint, right unless Aaron Rodgers
wakes up tomorrow and says he wants fifty.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
We're not under the impression that we're about to be
spending all that type of money. Right, This changed everything. Yeah,
but as long as that's not the scenario, which we
don't think it is, you most definitely can afford a
John new Smith. And for sure, if we don't roll
with Aaron Rodgers, well yeah you get Johnny Swift. If
you still want to get one of these free agent anythings,
(27:01):
you have that ability, that capability. Also said, there are
a lot of intriguing parts with this. I don't want
to rush you though, I don't want to rush you.
So we're gonna take another break real quick. But when
we get back to finish up this first hour, gotta
get your thoughts on what you're willing to pay this man,
you know, and what makes sense from a contract standpoint,
and then from there we'll transition to that other side.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But you're right, no, don't touch that down, Martha.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
The most that's Wesley Uler, and this is the Steelers Blitz.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Is the Steelers Blitz with Wesley Euler and Arthur Motes
on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black
and Gold skn R.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Arthur Most, Wesley Euler, Steel Liss Blitz, final segment of
the first hour, and uh yeah, talking this John new
Smith talk really unpacking it since they caught us at
the end of the work week last week, how you
gonna hit us with some trade interest on the end
of the week news dump?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Don't y'all play with us like that? Nah? Uh uh
uh uh. So of course we had to come back
to him. What's you know? How we do? No off this?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
You know this, y'all? I thought y'all was slick, just
casually dumps in the week. You don't forget about it
about Monday?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
No, we won't. We're here, We're ready.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But the final thing that I did want to get
your thoughts on, in terms of John new Smith and
Pat Fry move being here together contractually, right, what does
that look like? I said, for me, the number that
I was kind of comfortable with, or the number that
I think would make sense from my perspective. But obviously, man,
you just as involved in this thing, so I gots
to hear how you feel and what number would you
(28:44):
pay him? Knowing that you already got a move, you
might say man, I ain't paying more than five.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't need to pay double while I do that.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I honestly I not to like cop out here, but
I liked your idea of you know, hey, something in
the eight to ten range.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That is doubling or more than doubling what you've been making.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, you just had a career year, but you're also
going to turn thirty this season, right, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Something in that range.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Easy on that thirty slander, Easy on the thirty slander,
the thirty slide, Like, I'm that right there with you
said that you wait out listen, you and I we just.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Think about that.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't like it any more than you do, all right,
But for our age, like from athlete conversation, I mean
we're all like, like general population, we're still on the
younger side in our thirties, but athlete conversation we're basically dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
So you know, thirty you agent dog years.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
What anytime they asked me, hey, most you still like
you could play, you still would have go out there.
I'm washed, okay, capitol wa.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I look like I could play compared to the average
thirty seven year old, but not the twenty seven year
olds that were.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
In the national to an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, those two of these look very different,
all right, very very different.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, no doubt, but yeah, I think something in that
range would be fair. I think you have the money
to do that, like you said, certainly, while the quarterback
situation is what it is, I wonder what you know
what some what what the trade compensation would look like
as well too.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Obviously that's the one theme that does make me like
pause a little like Dune. That's about the trade something
to go get something that we already got it.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
What did they what do they want?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Is we just we just gave up a second round
pick this past year to go get DK Metcalf And
I noticed I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Want to do any I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Don't we want to don't we all kind of want
to sit on our people to use them to go
get our next ranchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Then we talk about this.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Then we all talk about this, and we talk about this,
you talk about this, we talk about this.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Man, can we not forget the plan? All right?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
We got a plan in place. Let's stick to the plan.
The plan is save up all our money so we
could big spend next year. Y'all trying to spend all
that money this year. We got to save it for
next year. All that draft capital, all that cash is
for next year.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Man, that's it. I thought we were. I thought we
were saving up here, all right. I thought we know.
I thought we were.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I thought we were putting them all in the piggy
bank and waiting to cash you in in April.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But here we are, here we all if we do,
is there like a what's the line of demarcation for
you from a draft capital standpoint? Because I think numbers wise,
we were were on the same page in terms of
eight to ten. We're cool with that. But what's your number?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
None? We all got a number. What's your number? I
would like to I would like to say a day three? Pick.
Don't you give me that open ended nonsense? No, put
a date on it. Put what day three? Which part
of day three? Day three? Pick? No? No, no, no?
Are you talking four? Phew? Which day three? Which part
(32:19):
of the day three?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Because it's a lot of it's a lot of lee
wearing that day three element.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Man, there is there is, And obviously I'm leaning towards
earlier in that day three, Like if it was if
a total hypothetical situation here, if you could tell me
right now that it was like a fifth round pick.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And you're you're paying them, you're paying them, you still
got to give them a contract.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
So yeah, right, you're telling me it's a fifth round
pick and you're paying them like nine ten million a year.
I think something I think something like that would be
very reasonable. Now if the if the number is the
you know, if the number is seven or eight, maybe
I'm willing to go to a four fourth round pick.
If the number is eleven or twelve, maybe I want
(33:03):
a sixth round pick. But I you know, I think
something like we said, like in that nine to ten
range for about a fifth round pick, that would that
would really make my ears, make my ears prick.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Up, and I would be, uh, I'd be I'd be
very intrigued.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And see this is my only hesitancy. I'm just like,
he has to win double ditches. I think you're literally
talking about bumping up three or four million dollars for
a Pro Bowl tight end. I mean you the Dolphins
were crying all out. We know y'all ain't got it
like that man like ain like y'all just got all
this winning and all this kill.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's quarterback Tyreek Waddle and Ramsey Who y'all keep talking
about trading all off season? Tyreek Kill. He been talking
about trading, or at least he's been talking about trading
since the season. So we know JOHNNYO is a guy
that y'all actually do need. Yeah, but to just you know,
casually be willing to move home from them for just
a handful of MS. From an NFL perspective, we obviously
(34:01):
know in real life that's nothing. There's nothing, no such
nigg as a handful of m's all right, correct, thousand
dollars a lot of Day one hundred was a lot
of money, all right, let's be real about it. Let's
be real. But you know, when we're looking at this
this part, I'm just like knowing that we still have
to do the contract. I personally don't want to go
harder than a fifth. I would love to do a
(34:23):
six because I'm like, I'm gonna have to at least
I'm in the game eight ms or not.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I want to say at least six MS, because I
feel like.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
For this to get done has to be really wanting
ten you know what I mean, Like, because you brotter yourself.
He's gonna look at Moose deal. Moose deal wasn't this year, right,
so we know that even Moose's deal is aging yesterday's price,
Ruth is gonna want more money. Right at some point
Mouth is gonna be ready to get a new deal.
(34:52):
So that's the thing that I'm just looking at those numbers,
and I'm saying, the more I think of that, the
more I say, I really, I think I'm a I
think I'm gonna put my flag in the ground at six,
all right, I'd how my Baker Reagan Mayfield moment at six,
all right? Round six is, yeah, plant my flag. I
don't want it after that, especially when I know it's
going to cost both tea and on them. He's gonna
need tea for next year.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I just don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, I feel like I could use that six, and
I might flip that with something else in the draft. Actually,
I might give you like a first, a six, a
conditional third, air and fourth and move up to the
top five, top top five.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, never know, never, I I it is, though, it's
a it's an interesting time to be to be projecting
any of your future draft picks in a trade or
anything like that, because we know, we know this upcoming draft,
not just because it's in Pittsburgh, could be a pretty
pretty important one for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
No, without a doubt, without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
But enough of the sunshine and rainbows, enough of the
can't we all just get along?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
We know what the people really came here for.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
They came here to hear some of that toxic They
want to hear some of that. Well, what if he's
here to replace some Well, you know what, you're gonna
have to come back on that next hour. We're gonna
talk about if John Knew Smith in this trade interest
is not to pair with Pat fryar move, But if
(36:25):
it's to replace Pat, don't touch that down.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
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Speaker 3 (36:33):
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