Hosts: New Year, New You

As we usher in 2025, in this episode focused on creating new healthy habits, Theresa interviews Ivana, who's recently been through a major positive pivot:

Ivana has worked with the co-creators of Inner Bonding® Dr. Margaret Paul and Dr. Erika Chopich to create a brand new book, Inner Bonding Guided Journal! This journal is a concise introduction to an astonishingly powerful healing practice of Inner Bonding, and an all-purpose tool to cultivate a more peaceful and joyous life.

We unpack the six-step Inner Bonding process, exploring the empowering role of the "loving adult" in taking responsibility for our emotions and how connecting with our higher self can bring clarity and purpose to our lives.

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you type of episode, and we'lleven have some other guests
during the month of Januarythat'll fit that theme for you.
So, personally, I'm not reallya believer in resolutions, but I

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do believe that sometimes weneed to make some new habits and
for those of you don't knowright, it can take anywhere from
18 to 254 days to make a newhabit.
But for you know, something newto become automatic, on average
it takes about 66 days.
So we're going to talk aboutinner bonding today and you know

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I'm going to challenge you togive yourself time to do that,
and you may not even know whatinner bonding is, but Ivana is
going to explain way more aboutthat for us.
But before we get startedwithout Ivana, you know we did a
lot of episodes in 2024 and wehad so many amazing guests.
So what was your favorite partof of our podcast in 2024?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I love that we did it and that is, you know, a
testament to a few differentthings you and I, um, have had
throughout last year so manygood, sometimes short, sometimes
longer, sometimes in person,sometimes online conversations
about what do we feel, what arewe like, what are our values,

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how can we help, and then wewould consider what's the next
organic step, and then we wouldtake the action and that's how
we built this community, thiskind of like moment by moment
approach to what do we want,what do we feel, what's in
alignment, what's needed, howcan we, you know, bring all that

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together without a big formulabut with massive consistency.
I love that, and I did mentionthe word community.
My favorite part is that thereis now a community that we can
call pivoters.
We have indeed experienced thatgoal from, you know, when we
started to have people reach outto us and say we have a story.

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Hey, this happened to me.
Do I qualify?
Can I share my story?
We've also experienced peoplesaying somebody who doesn't know
you or I, or the guest you knowcoming across this show, and
then later reaching out andsaying this really touched me,
this spoke to me.
I lived through somethingsimilar.

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I felt, you know, seen, heard,validated by the insights and
the comments that you, you know,showcased here.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
So to me, all of those, you know goosebumps, 100%
and I, you know, I've got tomeet some people I didn't know
before you.
The same you, I'm sure, likethere were people who are maybe
my friends that you've now gotto talk to and vice versa, or
we've had other people that weknow recommend somebody to us,

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which are all amazing things andall help grow this pivoter
community, and I also really dolove that.
I've had people come up to menow and be like hey, I have
listened to your podcast and youare talking about some good
topics and I love that.

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We have that.
Um, you know, we have somebusiness things, we have health
things, we have, you know, lifethings.
I mean, we've had so manyamazing guests and it always
brings it back to me how manytimes we pivot and how many
things make us pivot and howmany you know those things that
we have to continually consider.

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So I have loved every minute ofus doing this, us doing this,
and you know we really wealready have quite the list of
people in 2025 that want toshare their stories with us.
So, and I know you want to talkabout how this kind of relates

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to our topic today, but for ourlisteners, we're going to change
our format.
We're going to listen to whatwe're talking about here and
we're going to go to an everyother Friday format.
We're going to listen to whatwe're talking about here and
we're going to go to an everyother Friday format.
So, instead of weekly, we arenow going to be every other
Friday, just so we can, you know, take some time for ourselves
and work that in.

(04:36):
So, ivana, can you talk alittle, maybe, about that and
why we, you know, just made thatdecision and why we just made
that decision.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, we listened again to each other, to our
schedules, to our nervoussystems, to our beloveds, to our
families, to our workcommitments, and realized that
we both can actually already seein our calendar things booking
all the way through the end of2025.
And then, being in alignmentwith that, looking at our

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broadcasting schedule andthinking, if we want to continue
to maintain and keep raisingthe quality of the conversations
that we bring to you all, thatwe, in order to do it justice,
in order to really do this inthe highest good of all, we have
to look at the schedule andchange up the format and the
frequency so we can do a goodjob.
And what I love about that, inthe context of the whole new

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year, new you is we've looked atsome of our habits, which is
you and I both have a tendencyto, you know, do a little too
much relative to our owninternal resources.
Oh, oh, no, I would never dothat, what a lie.
Yeah, yeah, we both played withburnout and that's one of the

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things we bonded over before westarted doing the podcast.
We don't want to do thatanymore and we've been, you know
, holding each other accountableto take better care of
ourselves, and so this isn'tabout slowing down to slow down.
This is really to slow downsome of this pace so we can be
more, continue to be consistentand continue to show up.

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That would be one of the keyexamples of doing essentially
something akin to an innerbonding process.
You pay attention to a signal.
Something was telling us like ohmy gosh, we're starting to run
a little thinner here than wewould want in terms of our
energy, and our producer team,our workflow was, you know,

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pointing out that maybe lookingat the pace might be a good idea
.
So that would be like thatwould be an invitation from the
circumstances and our ownsystems to stop, pause, tune in
and ask some good questions,have a deeper conversation about
what's going on, download someanswers, and then you have to

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make an adjustment.
So if you and I just kepttalking about, hey, let's change
the format and that's going towork better for us, going to
work better for our guests, andthen we just kept running.
That wouldn't be necessarily inanybody's highest good, but we
actually are taking the actionto make some adjustments.
Those are the kinds of habitsand resolutions that I love

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making.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, me too, and you know I, you know especially,
you have to take that time.
I mean, the time for yourselfis so important.
So let's roll right into innerbonding, and I want to show
everybody who's watching us onYouTube that even I contributed
to this inner bonding guidedjournal, and we'll talk more

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about that at the end, about howthey can buy it.
But can you kind of walk usthrough a little bit what inner
bonding means, because I cantell you, I, I know what it
means now, but I don't know thatI knew what it, what it meant
originally.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm holding it too, and this is also
like this is a moment I have toslow down and take it in, like
it's here, it's live, it'samazing.
And the reason we're talkingabout it on the show is because
you and I are both so solutionsoriented.
I love that about you, I lovethat about this podcast, because

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we talk to people about massivelife-changing events, sometimes
very unwelcome, sometimes very,very jarring, and for me, inner
bonding is one of the keyanswers to the questions about
like how, how the heck do youturn towards that pivot, step

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into it and then keep going andthen evolve?
If you're not doing some formof inner bonding or if you're
not doing some form of umbecause you're not doing inner
work, but whether or not youcall it, inner bonding includes
some of these steps or, you know, hopefully, all of these steps
that are key to innerbonding.

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That evolution, in my experience, is very difficult.
It's elusive, it's notsustainable.
But folks who come on the showand tell us you know I've been
through something really big andI've changed that and, as a
result, I am more loving, I'mmore present, I'm more focused,
I'm more available.
I'm more present and morefocused.

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I'm more available.
When we ask them questions, youcan typically catch that they
are able to do a few of theseelements that we just talked
about when we were talking aboutus redesigning the format of
the show.
There's six steps to innerbonding.
It's a yeah, and you?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
already talked about kind of two of them.
Number one is get present withyour feelings, right?
I think that that is hard forsome of us to do sometimes,
right, it's hard for me to dosometimes, to take that step
back and really figure out whatI'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's really so visceral, practical and very
sensations-based what do youfeel in your body, what's
actually happening for you rightnow?
And I don't need to stop whatI'm doing.
I don't need to stop what I'mdoing.
Tuning into my feelings means Ican register this.
I kind of like have this, Ihave willingness to notice, I'm

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like good information.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Number two choosing the intention to learn about
loving yourself.
I love that you use that wordintention.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yes, this was life-changing for me.
Inner bonding was developed byDr Margaret Paul and Dr Erika
Coppich, who were, you know, twowomen like us 40 plus years ago
.
You know, figuring out theirpivots.
It's a longer story but in anutshell, they came up with this

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beautiful big step-by-stepprocess that really works when
you do it.
It works every single time foryou in present moment and deal
with difficult and not sodifficult current situations.

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But to also go back, sometimesit's almost like going back in
time and dealing with the rootissues that are causing
discomfort, suffering andgenerally a state of unhappiness
.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Is that where the compassionate dialogue with your
inner child and your woundedself come in?
Because I also really lovedthose terms, because I never
really thought about them inthat respect.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yes.
So inner bonding definitelyincludes parts work.
So you do want to get to knowyour inner child, your wounded
self, and we could spend a wholeepisode, you know, identifying
some of these, basically,aspects of consciousness.
That's what we're talking aboutand what you're really doing as

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you're practicing inner bondingis you're developing what we,
in inner bonding terminology,call the loving adult.
That is a mature, present,grown-up version of us that is
able to hold space for all ofour feelings.
Really be the one who takesresponsibility, like we were

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saying, for the feelings, forsensation, for anything that's
coming up for you in real time.
Choose the intention to learnabout what's happening as
opposed to the intention to runon fear.
That's what I was saying when Istarted talking about my
teacher, margaret and EricaChopich.

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This was life-changing.
When I realized that, really,at the end of the day, we
continuously have this choiceintent to open, to learning
about love, about being lovingto oneself and everybody else,
or the intent to essentiallyoperate with some form of
control of the circumstances.

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When I realized that, really,if I drill down into all of my
decisions, there is this kind oflike you know, choice present
everywhere all the time, inorder to understand, then what's
going on for you underneath thesurface, getting to know and
understanding your aspects ofconsciousness who are
continuously communicating.

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We just don't pay attentionbecause we don't learn this in
school.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
How do you have a dialogue with your higher self?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yes, because that's another aspect of consciousness.
You want to tune into thebigger version of you and it
really doesn't matter what youcall this.
You can call this you know,some folks really just tune into
thin air.
You can call it the matrix, youcan call it the field, you can
call it my higher self.
You can call it the matrix, youcan call it the field, you can
call it my higher self, you cancall it divine presence, you can

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call it any name from anyreligious background.
You can simply say God,anything that helps you
essentially tune into thebigness around you that there is
something else out there Inaddition to our mind and our you
know one here individualcontainer.

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So one tip for thinking aboutthis higher self aspect of your
consciousness is to pictureyourself 300 years from now.
So like what would Teresa, youknow, feel and look like if she
was, you know, three or 500years from now?
She has all this wisdom she is,she's seen it all, she's

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experienced it all, but she'salso super youthful, full of
vitality.
Wisdom a few, 500 years fromnow.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, now and and then.
The next step, the take actionstep, is really the one I don't
know.
To me that I think we havetrouble with right.
We, we've worked through this,we've we've thought about these
things, we've looked inside,we've done that, but then we

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were supposed to take action,we're supposed to do something
about it, isn't that?
To me?
That's honestly, when I waslooking at this, to me that
seems like one of the hardeststeps.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yes, it is.
It's one of the hardest stepsand that's actually where, like,
a lot of inner farming happens,when we go through some kind of
an inner process and I useinner bonding specifically these
steps in order and then we tellourselves clearly, point is

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dead, what it is that would bein our highest good.
The information is there, it'ssitting like in the inbox, and
then you don't do it.
Oh, my goodness, the stressthat then ends up being created
on the inside when you don't acton the action.
That really hurts.
I feel like it might be good tohave you finish with the
overview of the steps and thenI'll just show you what this
means as we wrap up.
Let me just go through superquickly for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
So it was get present with your feelings, choose the
intention to learn about lovingyourself.
Have compassionate dialoguewith your inner child and your
wounded self.
Dialogue with your higher self.
Take action.
You know whatever guidance youreceived, act on it and then
evaluate the effectiveness ofyour action.
So take us through it.

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Take us through it.
Take us through a real example.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, because you know, talking about it is one
thing, but when you really dothis daily and you practice and
you turn it into a lifestyle andit's like a moment by moment
you know experience that's wherethings start to change.
And it's important to practicewith really small examples so
that then, when you have a pivotand you have this process in
your back pocket and you pull itout, it is so much easier to go

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through a really big andimportant event, you know.
So let's practice with a smallexample, and I don't know where
this is going to go.
I'm noticing that I have sometightness in my jaw, tightness
in my throat and tightness in myjaw.
So I am in a step one ofinterbonding.
I am noticing that and I'mchoosing this is a phrase to

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take full responsibility for it.
That means something'shappening here for me that I'm
noticing that's a bit off andI'm not going to.
I'm noticing that's a bit offand I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna ask you, teresa,to help me with this.
My jaw, it's my throat.
Something here is communicating.
So I'm taking fullresponsibility for this.
I'm willing to show up.
This is like a move of like.

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I am coming home and taking alisten who's who's talking,
what's happening here?
I'm willing.
Listen who's talking, what'shappening here?
I'm willing.
And then we choose the intent toreally open to learning with
that bigger, higher frequency.
I'm saying to myself that if Idon't take a pause here and kind
of stop running, that's notgoing to be helpful.

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If I am looking at this from aplace of stuckness and some kind
of like, I want this to go away, because it's not gonna be
helpful.
If I am looking at this from aplace of stuckness and some kind
of like, I want this to go awaybecause it's not convenient,
because we're recording thisshow right now, just stop it.
That's not gonna help.
That would be an intent tocontrol what's happening.
I am tuning in and choosing toopen to learning, and open to
learning with this higherfrequency.

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So I am kind of inviting astate of Evie 500 years from now
.
Okay, so I like to call her DrEvie, because this is the one
who was like comfortable withthe fact that she's you know,
she's been through a lot, she'slearned a lot, she's got all
this like okay, dr Evie, I'm inthe house, right, okay.
All of a sudden somethingshifts and then I turned inside,

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you don't need to know that I'mdoing this at all and I ask
okay, so what's my sensationself, my feeling self trying to
tell me with this tightness Letme see what comes up.
He says and I hear, hear it,it's so clear.
He says you're running on empty, you did not get enough sleep

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last night.
And I'm like, oh, now I can,now I can like, run away from
that.
I can run away from that.
Or I can say okay, okay, I'mhere, I'm listening, tell me
more.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, but I love that you're talking about this,
because we all do this and evenbefore we started recording this
episode, I said are you like?
Cause you told me all this?
you told me that you were tired.
You told me that you wererunning on empty.
You told me all these thingsright, because we always chat
before we start the recording ofthese episodes.
It's like are you sure you wantto do this today?

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You know so, but did you?
You know, and, and it's fine, Ithink this is a great episode.
So I think that our listenerswouldn't know any different.
But you know, did you listen toyourself?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
And you're hitting the nail on the head and I am
now, as you were saying this, Iam having some more sensations.
So I'm noticing that, you know,like an opening here.
I'm noticing that I'm relaxing,actually because there's inside
of me, there is essentiallylike a meeting happening,
there's a bonding happening.
My inner child is saying that'sthe word I use for my feeling
self, my big authentic self,really.
She's saying that's the word Iuse for my feeling self, my big

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authentic self.
Really.
She's saying okay, she's got it.
She's got it.
She's listening.
I'm sending her a message.
This isn't good.
We can't keep this up.
Now I'm doing this laserfocused.
I want to turn towards thewounded girl, the wounded self,
the version of me that isessentially trying to protect
something here, trying tocontrol, choosing to do this as

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opposed to saying hey, teresa,can we record some other time?
Who is that?
So I could turn towards herquickly and say what's going on
here?
What are you afraid will happenif you cancel?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Right, and we talked about this, I said, like we have
time next week, we could dothis next week, right?
But you know, I think the pointfor our listeners here is is
that sometimes you need to justlisten to yourself, and
sometimes we have to pushthrough or we do push through,
whether we should or not andsometimes we need to give
ourselves that opportunity tolisten, be true to ourselves, to

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listen to ourselves.
I don't know what you want tocall it, but that's what I'm
getting from what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That's exactly it and you sound like.
You sound like guidance, yousound like my 500 year older Dr
Eva.
Right?
So I can see now that thisversion of me that says no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We have to do this.
You know what she's trying todo.
She wants to make sure shedoesn't lose you.
She wants to.
She wants to make sure thatTeresa doesn't think that she is

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a bailer.
She is very invested.
This is not nice.
Well, this is not nice.
Right, that's very controlling.
She wants you to not bedisappointed in her.
She wants.
It's very controlling.
She wants you to not bedisappointed in her she wants.
That's very young.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
That's very young.
That's the version of me thatyou know not level four, you
know, it's the things we thinkabout.
Like I can tell you, one of mybiggest ones is that I kind of I
love that you call it stay inmy head, I stay in my head, I
judge myself about things thathappened, that they happened and
I can't control, and that wasone of the points that the book

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brought out as well is that howwe get past some of those things
, just like what you're talkingabout, how you know, give
yourself that break and thatopportunity to get past that and
really recognize how you'refeeling, what you're feeling and
how to, how to be better.
And that's what I think.

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To me, our new year, new you isabout right, giving ourselves
that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Exactly, exactly, and so, as you're saying this,
exactly, exactly, and so asyou're saying this, I'm invited
to now acknowledge that I'veheard these two voices.
They both are, you know,bringing in something really
important to listen to.
I could go into a deeperprocess.
I could decide here that, like,look, people who've been
listening to some of my commentsover the years would have

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noticed that I have a chronicissue going on here.
This sleep thing has been goingon for a very long time, so I
may want to put a pin, andactually in my journal I have a
spot for that.
I have a spot in the back thatsays you know, write down
something that you've discoveredwhile you did your little
process that might need morehelp and support.
I need to look at, like, thechronic issue with sleep,

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because it's not just abouttoday, right, you and I have
talked about that before.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I can tell you that there was one other time that
comes to mind where you and Ireally talked about that.
And the sleep, because I'm sucha sleeper that if I don't get my
sleep, but I think you tend todo it a little differently.
So everybody, you know, as weclose this, everybody has their
own type of thing that they needto do and this inner bonding to

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me is really really cool.
Can we just talk about one morething really quickly before we
end, because I think it's suchan important piece of our new
year, new you, and that is thethree pillars that you talk
about of health and wellness,nutrition, balanced movement,
sleep, which is sleep, andexercise, and then the inner

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bonding.
Can you just tie those togetherfor us, because I really loved
that and it's it's one of thethings I try to do very hard
again, not always successful,but you know it's one of the
things that I really loved.
That and it's one of the thingsI try to do very hard Again,
not always successful, but it'sone of the things that I really
try to work out.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
That is exactly what it is, so let me tie all this
together.
If I were to finish the wholeprocess I've done step one, step
two and step three.
I had a chat right In step fourI would open up to my older,

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wiser self and ask her hey,what's a loving action here that
I can take, given that I'veheard that I'm not sleeping
enough and that I've got someonehere who's worried about?
Oh my God, we need to impressTeresa and sleeping and telling
her the truth.
I've noticed that I have somebigger, longer work to do, so
I'm parking that for a dedicatedsession.
But in terms of a quickeraction, I am noticing that I
need to pay attention to mysecond pillar of health.

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So Dr Margaret talks about threepillars of health.
If you're thinking aboutwellness, unless you're really
considering the full picture, ifyou're thinking about wellness,
unless you're reallyconsidering the full picture,
you're going to be off in someway, and the full picture is
nutrition plus.
So anything that you ingestthat needs to be digested.
Nutrition primarily meansabsolutely high frequency foods,

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good, healthy, balanced diet noone size fits all, but
something that's really good andsupportive of you, or also
anything else that we keeptaking in, like social media.
All of it needs to get digested.
I'm good in that regard.
So if I'm tuning in on likenutrition, that's totally fine.
Then I get to the second pillarof health, which is balanced

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movement, meaning both exerciseand rest.
It, too, comes down and I'mhearing that as an action, so my
loving action that I'mdownloading right now.
The question is, will I do it Is?
Commit to new year, new you,reorganizing your habits, your
schedule, and what do you needto make that happen?

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But your second pillar ofhealth is struggling and
suffering.
Do that?
Third pillar of health is innerwork.
I am noticing that this is notworking because I've done some
inner work.
So I think I'm good with thethird pillar of health.
I did my inner bonding, but Iwill also.
So now we'll know.
We'll know.
We know what it is.

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I can tell you in the future.
Have I done it?
Maybe at the end of the year wecan check and see what's
happened with my sleep habits,you know.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah.
So we'd love to hear from ourlisteners.
You know, if there's somethingthat you want to work on or you
want to talk about, we'd love todo that, so tell us really
quickly as we end.
Where can we get this on Amazon?
Is that where we can buy theseand where?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
can we get this on Amazon?
Is that where we can buy these?
The book is availableeverywhere, even you know
classic bookstores, but it'savailable everywhere on all
platforms where you can buybooks Amazon, obviously.
It's also available in a coupledifferent formats and the cool
thing is that, no matter whatformat you get audiobook, kindle
or this guy this teaches youinterbonding from start to

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finish, but also gives youtemplates for daily practice,
and these templates are you'llget a QR code with the purchase
of the book.
They're also downloadable, soyou can guide yourself through
these mini check-ins andtune-ins and just get better at
it, because it's so importantagain, especially during
life-changing moments, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, and I think you know doing that daily is is
really just very helpful.
Whatever works for you, but Ithink just having those
reminders in our life and reallyhelps us.
You know work on the things weneed to work on and give
ourselves some grace and sometime for ourselves.
So even I'm super excited aboutyour book, so thank you so much

(28:42):
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I got an autographed copy, soI'm even more excited about that
.
So, but that's a big thing andso awesome for you.
So thank you so much forsharing with us today.
Thank you to our listeners forlistening day.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Thank you to our listeners for listening.
Thank you, and as a specialthank you to anyone who does
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If you do so and then you emailus at grow at courageous
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It means a lot.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much, ivana.
Thank you to our listeners.
This week we had anotheramazing episode of Step Into the
Pivot.
Welcome to 2025.
Welcome to a new year, new you,and remember if you have a
pivot step into it.