February 17, 2022 • 37 mins
The only confirmed witness to what happened the night Patty Otto vanished was her youngest daughter. We’ll listen as she describes the traces of memory she has from that awful night. You’ll also hear where people who know Ralph Otto think he may have buried his wife and why some of his closest allies think he’s guilty.
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This podcast contains intense subject matter.Listener discretion is advised. Right after the
day after my mom disappeared, firstdad took us out to his girlfriend's house
in a sotan and we had lunchout there in a sotan and we were
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hanging out with her, and thenhe took us to my mom's sister,
that would be my aunt Alice,and we stayed there for quite a while.
So she disappeared all the thirty firstand it's December when they're putting us
to bed, and my sister's askingagain, when's mommy coming home? You
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know, she's not coming back.I watched, I said, in my
own words, which is in thepolice report, Daddy hit mommy, and
then mommy had daddy, and thendaddy carried her out. But my sister
was so dead set on that's notwhat happened that she's saying, that's not
what happened, not what happened.Daddy wouldn't hear her, Daddy wouldn't hit
her, It's not what happened.But she wanted to believe that. Why
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would any child want to believe thatyour father would do that to your mother,
you know? And so the memoryjust kind of goes away of like
it didn't happen. That's not whathappened. That can't be what happened.
She just is coming back, SoI had to just been another one of
those bad dreams that I had.But what three year old dreams about their
mother being carried out by their neck? You don't. He specifically said did
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he carry her out? But Ididn't know what that meant. It's that
I didn't. I couldn't say hewas choking her because I didn't even know
a word for that. But inmy mind, what I saw was I
thought he helped carry her is whatI would have described it as being.
I thought he was helping carry her. As an adult, you realize you
couldn't carry someone that way, Anddidn't you at one point say something about
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it? Daddy helped him? Mommyhigh? Yeah, he helped her,
helped her hide, he helped hearhit her, and I said, hid
by not hit, but he hither, And I wondered, did he
see me through the bars? Youknow? Did I? When I realized
what I saw, did I justgo right back downstairs because my head peeked
up just over the ledge to peekout to see what was happening, and
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then I remember being with Natalie sayingI'm scared, and her just comforting me
of you know, they'll they'll stop, and you just go to sleep,
and she'd rub my back and say, they'll they'll stop, they'll stop.
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From the pages of the reporter's notebook, this is still season two. I'm
your host, Gary Anderson. Wereceived information that there was a secret room
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that was in the basement of ralphottos and I had requested from him to
show me this room in the southwestcorner of the basement, behind the bunk
beds of the two children. Itwas September seventh, less than a week
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after Patty had vanished. During thatfirst week, Lewiston Police detective Tom Selene
learned that Ralph had concealed the entryto a small room in his home,
which was accessible only through the basement. When Ralph led Selene to the southwest
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corner of the basement that day,Selene saw that Dallas and Natalie's bunk beds
were nestled against the wall. That'swhere the girls had been trying to sleep
while Ralph and Patty fought upstairs.In order to show Selene the secret room.
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Ralph had to push the bunk bedsout of the way, remove four
screws, and pull the paneling awayfrom the wall to reveal an opening into
the cramped space. Inside the room, There was no sign that Patty's body
had ever been stashed there, butdetective Selene did see two marine jetpumps,
which seemed oddly out of place.Nothing else was in the room but a
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water heater. The floor was madeof dirt. Selene later asked around and
learned that the jet pumps had beenstolen from a local boat dealer. He
obtained a search warrant to retrieve andreturn the pumps to the dealership. The
county prosecutor, however, declined topursue a warrant to search the rest of
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Ralph's property for Patty's body. Ina letter to Selene, the prosecutor said
two doctors had told him that Ralph'sapparent confessions could be mere hallucinations and were
inadequate to justify a warrant. Theprosecutor was worried that if the case went
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to trial, anything found during asearch might be ruled it admits Ralph had
already let detectives walk around his propertyand had even shown Selene the hidden room.
On the same day, the copssaw a green canvas tarp stretched out
on the lawn. The tarp waswet when the cops examined it, and
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Ralph told them that rufers working onthe house next door had folded it up
and left it on his porch.He said that tarp had gotten wet when
it rained, so he opened itup and washed it off with a hose.
Selene and the other detective looked thetarp over but didn't see anything on
it except for a few splotches ofred paint, which matched the color of
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a fence in the yard. It'sworth noting here that Patty's sister Alice went
to Ralph's house on September second toget close for Natalie and Dallas. While
Alice was at the house, shesaw the tarp laying in the backyard.
She also saw a shovel leaning againstthe house by the front door. Police
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thought that the combination of a tarpand a shovel at the house of a
missing woman certainly seemed suspicious. Ina later interview at the police station,
Ralph explained that anyone who does contractwork for the forest service carries an axe,
a bucket, and a shovel inhis truck, but he said he
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didn't remember why the shovel had beentaken out of his truck. Ralph's mentioned
of carrying a bucket in his truckmade us think of another story we heard
from one of Ralph's friends. Thisis Ron Roady, who babysat the Auto
Girls not long before Patty disappeared.I didn't really know she was missing.
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I mean I was still hanging aroundbecause I never saw Paddy. I'd come
to the house and Ralph would beoutwork, and I mean once, very
rarely Patty came out of the house, so I never saw her. So
I think she was missing for alittle while before I even knew it.
But right about the time she disappeared, they had a Sharebroley station wagon and
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Ralph I don't even know why hetold me or how he told me that
he had been out that night inthe middle of the night. They were
building the new Lewiston Hill at thetime. The Lewiston Hill is an escarpment
just north of town. The steepportion of US Highway ninety five that climbs
the hill was under construction when Pattyvanished. The southbound lanes descending into Lewiston
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from the crest of the hill havethree runaway truck ramps over the span of
just a few miles, and hehad gotten that station wagon stuck at the
top of one of the runaway truckramps in the gravel, and he brought
a bucket of that gravel home withhim. So I always kind of suspected
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that that's where he putter boy.It's up in the deep gravel and mornaway
truck round, which would be aspot nobody would ever dig up. That
was always my suspicions. About twoweeks after Patty vanished, a local pilot
gave Selene a ride over Ralph's homeso he could get an aerial view.
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He didn't spot anything out of theordinary. With the help of city employees,
Selene also inspected a large municipal watertank adjacent to the twenty ninth Street
house. Again nothing. Ralph refusedto let police conduct an intensive search of
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his house and surrounding property. Hesaid they had already had their chance when
they walk around his place on Septemberseventh. If you recall from the last
episode, Bonnie shop Bell told Selenethat Ralph had called her in late December,
and, while apparently hallucinating, hesaid Patty's body had been found on
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his property. He said that hekilled Patty when she came at him with
a gun and he stabbed her.You need to know that. In that
same interview with Selene, Bonnie saidthat if Ralph had killed Patty, she
thought it must have been the dayafter. Everyone believed because his behavior on
September two was distinctly different than Septemberfirst, the day he took Bonnie shopping.
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She advised that Ralph did not seemto be himself and indicated to her
that he had been up all night. He said that Patty was gone and
she will not be back shop.Bell indicated that Ralph had red eyes and
was about to cry, and shetried to console him, advising that they
had had fights before. Ralph insistedshe would not be back this time,
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she advised. She gave Ralph aride to her parents residence, and the
mother indicated to her that Ralph appearedto be sick. This was the morning
of September second, when Ralph wentto their house for breakfast, she advised
he started to eat but could not. She advised that her mother observed the
red eyes and tears and Ralph's eyesand heard Ralph say that Patty is gone
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and she will not be back.After breakfast, Bonnie followed Ralph back to
his house before she drove away toCalifornia. At his house, Ralph tried
to get Bonnie to come inside.She declined, and then he wrote her
out a check for one thousand dollars, and then she left shop. Bell
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did make the remark that if anythinghappened to Patty, it had to have
been the night after they had goneto dinner. Between that time and the
next morning, she advised, Ralphwas really upset. She also said Ralph
made the remark that he was surprisedthat the girls haven't given him away.
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I guess I went back upstairs togo find out what was going on,
or I wanted my mom. Andas you walk up, the stairs goes
up and then turns to the left. That's what green. I'm thinking it's
green carpet. It's like green lowcarpet. And I walk up the stairs
and I peek through the railing,which it's that wrought iron white railing,
and I peeko the railing and theywere fighting, and I saw them hit
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each other like my dad hit her, and then she slapped him in the
face. And I thought he washelping her, because what I remembered was
him helping her out. I didn'tnone understand what it would mean to carry
somebody by their neck, but Ithought he was helping her carry her out.
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In court for Ralph's murder for highertrial, Ray described his brother's behavior
on the evening of September fifth,nineteen seventy six. That was the first
day Ray knew about Patty's disappearance.He had driven over to Ralph's house to
check on him. Here's Christine readingexactly what Ray told the jury in court.
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When I arrived at the house thatevening, it was about eight o'clock.
I think it was starting to getdark. And when I got to
the house, I rang the doorbelland there was no answer. I turned
around and started to leave, andRalph approached around the corner. He was
wearing insulated coveralls, barefooted, drunk, disarranged, and I asked him what
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was going on, what he wasdoing, and he said he hurt his
ankle. He stepped backwards and felloff of the retaining wall. His ankle
was sprained and swollen. Ray wentto the pharmacy and got a bandage to
rap Ralph's ankle. After that day, Ray and Dodi spent much of their
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time caring for Ralph. During Ray'strial testimony, he said that he went
to Ralph's house in mid October tovacuum, tidy up, and empty the
trash. He said that Ralph wasso continually and severely intoxicated he was incapable
of caring for himself and was immersedin squalor. While cleaning up the place
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on October fifteenth, Ray hauled awaybags of trash, including a number of
empty whiskey bottles. Ray then returnedto Ralph's place just twelve days later and
found sixteen freshly emptied fifths of whiskeyand at least another half dozen empty bottles
of vodka, gin and wine.Ralph seemed to be attempting to drink himself
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to death. Was it grief orguilt? We talked to Russ Mason in
the summer of twenty twenty one.He told us he had received a late
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night call from Ralph around the firstof September nineteen seventy six, Ralph said
he was in trouble and needed help. Russ told him he'd come by the
next day to help, but Ralphwasn't home when he went by the house.
Russ said he thinks the phone callmay have been the very night Patty
disappeared. However, when police talkedto Russ back then, he specifically recalled
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that the phone call had happened atabout one thirty am on a Sunday,
not in the middle of the week. He said he recalled that it was
a Sunday because he and his wifehad been out Saturday night and had recently
gotten home and had gone to bedwhen the phone rang. September first,
nineteen seventy six, was a Wednesday, so unless Russ was confusing the dates,
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the call didn't happen on the samenight. Russ didn't want to be
recorded for the podcast, but hedid tell us he believes that Ralph killed
Patty. He said he believes anotherfriend who has since passed away, could
have helped Ralph that night. Outof fairness, we're not going to name
that man. Russ also said hebelieves that Ralph could have hidden Patty on
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his property in wee Ipe. Anotherfriend of Ralph's, Marlon Callahan, also
told us he believes Ralph killed Patty. In fact, friend after friend told
us the same thing. They hadtheories about where Ralph could have concealed Patty's
remains. We'll get to more ofthose possibilities in a bit. First,
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you should know that a few monthsbefore Ray passed away in nineteen ninety,
he wrote down some of his thoughtson the matter. In the note Ray
said, the night he drove Ralphto the mental institution in Rotheno, after
Ralph's infamous confession to Bonnie, hetold Ray, quote, I just stuck
her with a knife in the stomach. She didn't say a word. In
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that same note, Ray wrote quotenot one but two of Ralph's friends got
calls on the night in question.He wrote, nothing was concrete with one
call, but two different people samerequest. Is something else. If Ralph
couldn't get help, he had todo it himself. This might be why
there was a wet tarp on thelawn early September seventy six. The second
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friend Ray referred to in his notewasn't one of the friends we've already mentioned.
It was yet another man. Ralphmay have called for help. Still,
Ray wrote that only a small partof him believed Ralph could have been
capable of killing Patty. He saidhe was ninety percent convinced of his innocence,
and he attributed the trace of doubtto Ralph's dependence on alcohol and its
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effect on his behavior. After Ralphwent to prison for trying to have the
police captain killed, Patty's sister Aliceand Ralph's sister Marcy fought in court for
custody of Natalie and Dallas. Marcyone, but Patty's family also won visitation
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rights. A few years after gettingcustody, Marcy and her husband officially adopted
Natalie and Dallas. Before the adoption, Marcy told Dallas she would be getting
a new last name. Dallas askedfor a new first name too, so
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if you want to change your name, now's the time to do it.
So she just let me pick myname, and I wanted to be Susanne
Ray. So nobody ever thought Iwas a little boy for one again,
and number two associated with all thecraps that my father and my mother.
I mean, you should see thesepiles and titles of newspaper clippings always on
the front page of the newspaper,always some big, drawn out thing.
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Why can't my dad just I can'the just tell us what happened and get
this over with. Dallas is nowknown to those who love her as Suzanne
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Timms. She's married, has kidsand a nursing degree, and lives about
two hours from Lewiston. Despite herpainful memories of that awful night, she
still wants to know more. Shewants answers. Marcy, the woman Susanne
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now calls mom, believes that Pattychose to leave her daughters and Ralph.
What do you think happen to Pattie? I think that as hard as what
it seems totally impossible, but thatshe thought that Ralph, and she's used
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this phrase before, that it's yourturn to take care of the girls now.
And I think once she got awayand didn't see any way back,
and as her parents got older andpassed away, I think she would have
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wanted to come back, because shedid love her parents. On November seventeenth,
nineteen seventy six, the same daythat Ralph was released on bond while
awaiting trial, a woman called theLewiston newspaper and identified herself as Patty.
She said she wanted to get amessage to her parents, Tom and Toots
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O'Malley. The woman said she lovesher parents and her daughters. She's safe
and she's staying with friends. Newspaperstaff called police. Selene was naturally suspicious
of the call and asked the newspaperemployee who heard the caller's voice to listen
in as he called Ralph's family membersto ask if they had placed that phone
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call. Selene first called Ray andDodie. The employee said Dodie did not
sound like the female voice she heard. Selene then called Marcy. After listening
for just a brief time, theemployee said Marcy's voice sounded a lot like
the woman who had claimed to bePatty. She also said the background noise
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in the call to Marcy sounded likethe long distance connection with the mysterious caller.
Marcy denied making that phone call,and she believes it really could have
been Patty. She said that astime went on, the evidence that Patty
willingly left her family only increased,and something that people who came forward and
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said, you know, when theysaw her and everything, which was either
she went and stayed with somebody else, because she was seeing by people that
lived down the street from him,and they all knew her well, and
she went for walks daily. Shewas always battling her weight. One woman
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told police she saw a woman wearingred pants and a white shirt, which
matched the description of what Patty woreon August thirty first, walking more than
a mile away from the auto home. The woman couldn't be sure of the
exact day she saw her, though. Another couple came forward to say they're
certain they saw Patty leaving her housewith her hair in a mess on August
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thirty first. The problem was thecouple said they saw her that morning.
Patty didn't disappear until late that night. We asked Marcy if she ever wonders
if maybe Ralph did do what justabout everyone suspects to this day. As
soon as I say that I doubtthat he could do it. I believe
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anyone can do anything when they arein a fit of rage. Here's tom
Selene. But I could tell youwhen I drove up there, I believe
a missing person was a missing person, then she would probably be found.
That's what was going through my mind. And then it didn't take me long
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to come to the opinion that thatwasn't the case and that's something had been
done with her. We followed upon thousands of leads, put posters out,
talk to people all over that wouldtell us they had sightings or this
or that. An Absolutely nothing evercame together to support there's any credibility and
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those suggestions made to us on howto solve the case. Do you recall
what first made you have an inklingthat this wasn't just a missing persons case.
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I think it was a combination ofthings. Patty never came home,
there was no contact with Patty.Tom O'Malley. Patty's father knew Ralph,
knew a lot more about him atthat time than any of the rest of
us did, and he was ofthe strong opinion that Ralph had done something
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with his daughter. The other familymembers on the O'Malley side were of that
opinion as well. On Ralph's side, it was the total opposite that,
in my opinion, they wanted toprotect him and never were forthcoming with any
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anything other than she run off ortook off and was gone. So,
but that's typical of what we've seenin many cases we dealt with a lot
of these type of people over aperiod of time and watched the family members
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act and react in different ways,obviously and many times depending on that particular
relationship with the defendant. Throughout Dodie'smanuscript, she described Ralph as a mean
drunk who mistreated everyone who loved him, especially her husband Ray. So we
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were kind of surprised by her responsewhen we asked her what she thought of
Ralph. I liked Ralph. Hewas fun to be around. With that,
you wouldn't trust him, you know, you never knew or knew what
he was going to do. He'sgoing to a start with a pair of
boots, find some new ones,put the new ones on, put the
old ones back up on the shelf, and walk out the door. I
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mean, just stuff like that.They're doing crazy. What'd he brag about
it? About what he would do? What would he brag about what he
would do? Oh no, notnecessarily. Okay, that was just him
one the coat. He just goput on a coat and put the old
one there and walk out the door. That's why we have all these old
things about our things when we shotdown day. Yeah, So another thing
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that struck us was that Doughty includedvery specific details in her manuscript, details
that didn't seem relevant to us,like what Ralph ordered to eat at a
restaurant on a certain day and whatsong he played on the jukebox, But
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there were gaping holes in other places. For instance, after Ralph went to
prison for the murder for Higher Plot, Tom Selene went down to the state
penitentiary in Boise to interview Ralph.It was nineteen seventy eight. At that
point, Patty had been missing fortwo years. Selene was reaching for any
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thread he could pull, trying tosee if Ralph would confess, or maybe
let's slip a clue about where Pattycould be buried. The interview lasted for
nearly two hours. Dodie got acopy of the interview transcript and retyped the
entire forty seven page document word forword for her manuscript, except for two
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pages. She summarized those two pageswith a single sentence. Selene asked Ralph
about his marriage to Joy. Sheomitted that in those two pages worth of
conversation, Ralph described having an onagain, off again affair with Dodie.
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We want to be fair, Ralphcould have been lying about the affair in
We're convinced he lied about a lotof things throughout the interview. He certainly
wasn't a straight shooter. We askedDodie about the omitted pages, and she
said that leaving out the two pagesof the transcript that pertained to her was
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more dignified than denying falsehoods. Shesaid Ralph was jealous of her husband and
wanted him to suffer. That's whyhe said those things. But it does
beg the question if Ralph would boldlyfabricate such a betrayal against his own brother,
why would Dodie refuse to believe thatRalph may have murdered his wife?
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But, like I say, it'sso involved and you just have to take
it piece by piece and go fromthere because it's just it's overwhelming all that.
Why do you think Ray was sowilling to defend Ralph because he knew
innocent, he knew would not dothat. I want to let you in
on a few key things Ralph saidwhen Selene interviewed him in prison. First,
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he said, in knowing certain terms, that he doesn't believe Patty was
a prostitute. This is an actordramatizing the exact words in the transcript.
I know she did. I know, I don't. I don't think she's
a bad mother. That's one thingyou would have pissed me off about that,
Damn Dolores, is the fact thatshe thinks Patty is somewhere but beings
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a prostitute. You see, that'sall she's got in her head is attamp
prostitute somewhere at Patty ain't no prostitute. Ralph also said he did not kill
Patty, but he went on tosay, but I think it would have
been a bit of anger, youknow, something that would piss me off
bad and I had to be halfwhisk you up to do it. But
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I gad him me to kill somebody. Selene asked Ralph to tell him what
really happened to night Patty vanished,Rap said, go my hands. Many
times it seemed like a dream tome, like it was something that didn't
even really happen, that I sawa pictures show or something. But I
did. I don't think I couldhave killed her. Let's assume, for
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the sake of argument, that Ralphdid kill Patty, whether it was a
carefully executed plan or a tragic misstepin a fit of rage. How would
someone who was perpetually drunk conceal theevidence so well? Surely he had to
have gotten help, right and ifso, from whom and where did he
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hide her? On different occasions,Ralph had taunted people with ideas about where
he could have buried Patty if hehad killed her. He mentioned throwing her
body in the river, burying herin a landfill, hiding her in a
concrete dam that was under construction,or sinking her weighted down corpse in a
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deep pond with a silty floor.This is Ron Roady again. My parents
then you were Alph and Patty realwell. But they had lived out of
town and they moved back into townand bought a house on Park Avenue,
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and they lived there for a fewyears, and my mom did smoke gates
that just carried. Right before mymom died. A couple of years ago,
the subject of Patty came up andI said, you know, I've
always thought I knew where she was. And my mom just looked at me
and she said, I know whereshe is, And what are you talking
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about? What she told me?She said, you swear you would never
say a word to anybody about this. Until after we were dead, after
rob a dead, and she proceededto tell me that at that house on
Park Avenue she was having my day, had dig some holes to plant some
trees, and when he was digging, he dug up some bones, big
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bones that was like somebody buried.And they saw that and just immediately filled
the holes back in and didn't saya word. But apparently this house was
owned by a good friend or Ralph's, one of his drinking buddies, who
had later committed suicide. So mymom had no doubt in her mind that
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that's who helped Ralph get rid ofPatty, and that was where she was
buried. That was her they haddug up. So let's recap where people
who knew Ralph had theorized that Pattycould be buried. We've now heard about
that property on Park Avenue and thedeep gravel of the runaway truck ramp on
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the Lewiston Hill, and a fewpeople have mentioned Ralph's property in Wi.
There's also Eve's property in Weip andthe camper she was sieves from Ralph,
although it seems that if the camperwas used, it was only temporarily.
Eve's grandson went inside the camper whenhe was growing up, and he didn't
see anything strange inside. Police ruledout the water tank next to the auto
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home in Lewiston, and the secretroom in the basement held only some stolen
marine jet pumps. In two thousandand nine, a cadaver dog sniffed all
around Ralph's Lewiston property but didn't givean alert that human remains might be buried
there. We've also heard people mentionedshe could have been taken to a nearby
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rock quarry with a limepool, orthe island Ralph once owned on the Clearwater
River. And of course we knowthat Ralph owned heavy equipment, including a
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dump truck, and he was familiarwith remote mountain roads because he had done
work for the Forest Service clearing roadsof mudslides. Which brings us to the
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Jane Doe who was found in nineteenseventy eight in a remote area of Oregon.
Next time on still this is mymother, but nobody's gonna believe me
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because it sounds too crazy. Anyonewith information pertaining to the disappearance of Patricia
Otto should contact the Lewiston Police Department'stipline at two zero eight two nine eight
three nine three nine. Anyone withinformation pertaining to the identity of the Finlay
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Creek Jane Doe or other information relatedto that case should contact the Union County
District Attorney at DA at Union hyphenCounty dot org. If you, or
anyone you know is a victim ofdomestic abuse, please contact the National Domestic
Violence Hotline at eight hundred seven ninenine. Safe. STILL is a production
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of The Reporter's Notebook and Grayson ShawMedia. You can connect with us online
at The Reporter's Notebook dot com orvia email at info at the Reporter's Notebook
dot com. Still was researched,written and produced by Karen Shaw Anderson.
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Additional research and script editing provided byChristine Hughes. Original music by Smith Uosso,
Additional narration provided by b. J. Blackburn and Lloyd Turning. I'm
your host and associate producer Gary Anderson. Special thanks to everyone who graciously provided
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interviews and help with our research.We would specifically like to thank the advocates
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and I will bring back the stray, and I will bind up the
injured, and I will strengthen theweek.
This podcast contains intense subject matter.Listener discretion is advised. Right after the
day after my mom disappeared, firstdad took us out to his girlfriend's house
in a sotan and we had lunchout there in a sotan and we were
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hanging out with her, and thenhe took us to my mom's sister,
that would be my aunt Alice,and we stayed there for quite a while.
So she disappeared all the thirty firstand it's December when they're putting us
to bed, and my sister's askingagain, when's mommy coming home? You
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know, she's not coming back.I watched, I said, in my
own words, which is in thepolice report, Daddy hit mommy, and
then mommy had daddy, and thendaddy carried her out. But my sister
was so dead set on that's notwhat happened that she's saying, that's not
what happened, not what happened.Daddy wouldn't hear her, Daddy wouldn't hit
her, It's not what happened.But she wanted to believe that. Why
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would any child want to believe thatyour father would do that to your mother,
you know? And so the memoryjust kind of goes away of like
it didn't happen. That's not whathappened. That can't be what happened.
She just is coming back, SoI had to just been another one of
those bad dreams that I had.But what three year old dreams about their
mother being carried out by their neck? You don't. He specifically said did
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he carry her out? But Ididn't know what that meant. It's that
I didn't. I couldn't say hewas choking her because I didn't even know
a word for that. But inmy mind, what I saw was I
thought he helped carry her is whatI would have described it as being.
I thought he was helping carry her. As an adult, you realize you
couldn't carry someone that way, Anddidn't you at one point say something about
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it? Daddy helped him? Mommyhigh? Yeah, he helped her,
helped her hide, he helped hearhit her, and I said, hid
by not hit, but he hither, And I wondered, did he
see me through the bars? Youknow? Did I? When I realized
what I saw, did I justgo right back downstairs because my head peeked
up just over the ledge to peekout to see what was happening, and
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then I remember being with Natalie sayingI'm scared, and her just comforting me
of you know, they'll they'll stop, and you just go to sleep,
and she'd rub my back and say, they'll they'll stop, they'll stop.
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From the pages of the reporter's notebook, this is still season two. I'm
your host, Gary Anderson. Wereceived information that there was a secret room
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that was in the basement of ralphottos and I had requested from him to
show me this room in the southwestcorner of the basement, behind the bunk
beds of the two children. Itwas September seventh, less than a week
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after Patty had vanished. During thatfirst week, Lewiston Police detective Tom Selene
learned that Ralph had concealed the entryto a small room in his home,
which was accessible only through the basement. When Ralph led Selene to the southwest
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corner of the basement that day,Selene saw that Dallas and Natalie's bunk beds
were nestled against the wall. That'swhere the girls had been trying to sleep
while Ralph and Patty fought upstairs.In order to show Selene the secret room.
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Ralph had to push the bunk bedsout of the way, remove four
screws, and pull the paneling awayfrom the wall to reveal an opening into
the cramped space. Inside the room, There was no sign that Patty's body
had ever been stashed there, butdetective Selene did see two marine jetpumps,
which seemed oddly out of place.Nothing else was in the room but a
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water heater. The floor was madeof dirt. Selene later asked around and
learned that the jet pumps had beenstolen from a local boat dealer. He
obtained a search warrant to retrieve andreturn the pumps to the dealership. The
county prosecutor, however, declined topursue a warrant to search the rest of
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Ralph's property for Patty's body. Ina letter to Selene, the prosecutor said
two doctors had told him that Ralph'sapparent confessions could be mere hallucinations and were
inadequate to justify a warrant. Theprosecutor was worried that if the case went
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to trial, anything found during asearch might be ruled it admits Ralph had
already let detectives walk around his propertyand had even shown Selene the hidden room.
On the same day, the copssaw a green canvas tarp stretched out
on the lawn. The tarp waswet when the cops examined it, and
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Ralph told them that rufers working onthe house next door had folded it up
and left it on his porch.He said that tarp had gotten wet when
it rained, so he opened itup and washed it off with a hose.
Selene and the other detective looked thetarp over but didn't see anything on
it except for a few splotches ofred paint, which matched the color of
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a fence in the yard. It'sworth noting here that Patty's sister Alice went
to Ralph's house on September second toget close for Natalie and Dallas. While
Alice was at the house, shesaw the tarp laying in the backyard.
She also saw a shovel leaning againstthe house by the front door. Police
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thought that the combination of a tarpand a shovel at the house of a
missing woman certainly seemed suspicious. Ina later interview at the police station,
Ralph explained that anyone who does contractwork for the forest service carries an axe,
a bucket, and a shovel inhis truck, but he said he
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didn't remember why the shovel had beentaken out of his truck. Ralph's mentioned
of carrying a bucket in his truckmade us think of another story we heard
from one of Ralph's friends. Thisis Ron Roady, who babysat the Auto
Girls not long before Patty disappeared.I didn't really know she was missing.
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I mean I was still hanging aroundbecause I never saw Paddy. I'd come
to the house and Ralph would beoutwork, and I mean once, very
rarely Patty came out of the house, so I never saw her. So
I think she was missing for alittle while before I even knew it.
But right about the time she disappeared, they had a Sharebroley station wagon and
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Ralph I don't even know why hetold me or how he told me that
he had been out that night inthe middle of the night. They were
building the new Lewiston Hill at thetime. The Lewiston Hill is an escarpment
just north of town. The steepportion of US Highway ninety five that climbs
the hill was under construction when Pattyvanished. The southbound lanes descending into Lewiston
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from the crest of the hill havethree runaway truck ramps over the span of
just a few miles, and hehad gotten that station wagon stuck at the
top of one of the runaway truckramps in the gravel, and he brought
a bucket of that gravel home withhim. So I always kind of suspected
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that that's where he putter boy.It's up in the deep gravel and mornaway
truck round, which would be aspot nobody would ever dig up. That
was always my suspicions. About twoweeks after Patty vanished, a local pilot
gave Selene a ride over Ralph's homeso he could get an aerial view.
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He didn't spot anything out of theordinary. With the help of city employees,
Selene also inspected a large municipal watertank adjacent to the twenty ninth Street
house. Again nothing. Ralph refusedto let police conduct an intensive search of
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his house and surrounding property. Hesaid they had already had their chance when
they walk around his place on Septemberseventh. If you recall from the last
episode, Bonnie shop Bell told Selenethat Ralph had called her in late December,
and, while apparently hallucinating, hesaid Patty's body had been found on
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his property. He said that hekilled Patty when she came at him with
a gun and he stabbed her.You need to know that. In that
same interview with Selene, Bonnie saidthat if Ralph had killed Patty, she
thought it must have been the dayafter. Everyone believed because his behavior on
September two was distinctly different than Septemberfirst, the day he took Bonnie shopping.
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She advised that Ralph did not seemto be himself and indicated to her
that he had been up all night. He said that Patty was gone and
she will not be back shop.Bell indicated that Ralph had red eyes and
was about to cry, and shetried to console him, advising that they
had had fights before. Ralph insistedshe would not be back this time,
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she advised. She gave Ralph aride to her parents residence, and the
mother indicated to her that Ralph appearedto be sick. This was the morning
of September second, when Ralph wentto their house for breakfast, she advised
he started to eat but could not. She advised that her mother observed the
red eyes and tears and Ralph's eyesand heard Ralph say that Patty is gone
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and she will not be back.After breakfast, Bonnie followed Ralph back to
his house before she drove away toCalifornia. At his house, Ralph tried
to get Bonnie to come inside.She declined, and then he wrote her
out a check for one thousand dollars, and then she left shop. Bell
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did make the remark that if anythinghappened to Patty, it had to have
been the night after they had goneto dinner. Between that time and the
next morning, she advised, Ralphwas really upset. She also said Ralph
made the remark that he was surprisedthat the girls haven't given him away.
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I guess I went back upstairs togo find out what was going on,
or I wanted my mom. Andas you walk up, the stairs goes
up and then turns to the left. That's what green. I'm thinking it's
green carpet. It's like green lowcarpet. And I walk up the stairs
and I peek through the railing,which it's that wrought iron white railing,
and I peeko the railing and theywere fighting, and I saw them hit
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each other like my dad hit her, and then she slapped him in the
face. And I thought he washelping her, because what I remembered was
him helping her out. I didn'tnone understand what it would mean to carry
somebody by their neck, but Ithought he was helping her carry her out.
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In court for Ralph's murder for highertrial, Ray described his brother's behavior
on the evening of September fifth,nineteen seventy six. That was the first
day Ray knew about Patty's disappearance.He had driven over to Ralph's house to
check on him. Here's Christine readingexactly what Ray told the jury in court.
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When I arrived at the house thatevening, it was about eight o'clock.
I think it was starting to getdark. And when I got to
the house, I rang the doorbelland there was no answer. I turned
around and started to leave, andRalph approached around the corner. He was
wearing insulated coveralls, barefooted, drunk, disarranged, and I asked him what
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was going on, what he wasdoing, and he said he hurt his
ankle. He stepped backwards and felloff of the retaining wall. His ankle
was sprained and swollen. Ray wentto the pharmacy and got a bandage to
rap Ralph's ankle. After that day, Ray and Dodi spent much of their
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time caring for Ralph. During Ray'strial testimony, he said that he went
to Ralph's house in mid October tovacuum, tidy up, and empty the
trash. He said that Ralph wasso continually and severely intoxicated he was incapable
of caring for himself and was immersedin squalor. While cleaning up the place
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on October fifteenth, Ray hauled awaybags of trash, including a number of
empty whiskey bottles. Ray then returnedto Ralph's place just twelve days later and
found sixteen freshly emptied fifths of whiskeyand at least another half dozen empty bottles
of vodka, gin and wine.Ralph seemed to be attempting to drink himself
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to death. Was it grief orguilt? We talked to Russ Mason in
the summer of twenty twenty one.He told us he had received a late
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night call from Ralph around the firstof September nineteen seventy six, Ralph said
he was in trouble and needed help. Russ told him he'd come by the
next day to help, but Ralphwasn't home when he went by the house.
Russ said he thinks the phone callmay have been the very night Patty
disappeared. However, when police talkedto Russ back then, he specifically recalled
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that the phone call had happened atabout one thirty am on a Sunday,
not in the middle of the week. He said he recalled that it was
a Sunday because he and his wifehad been out Saturday night and had recently
gotten home and had gone to bedwhen the phone rang. September first,
nineteen seventy six, was a Wednesday, so unless Russ was confusing the dates,
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the call didn't happen on the samenight. Russ didn't want to be
recorded for the podcast, but hedid tell us he believes that Ralph killed
Patty. He said he believes anotherfriend who has since passed away, could
have helped Ralph that night. Outof fairness, we're not going to name
that man. Russ also said hebelieves that Ralph could have hidden Patty on
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his property in wee Ipe. Anotherfriend of Ralph's, Marlon Callahan, also
told us he believes Ralph killed Patty. In fact, friend after friend told
us the same thing. They hadtheories about where Ralph could have concealed Patty's
remains. We'll get to more ofthose possibilities in a bit. First,
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you should know that a few monthsbefore Ray passed away in nineteen ninety,
he wrote down some of his thoughtson the matter. In the note Ray
said, the night he drove Ralphto the mental institution in Rotheno, after
Ralph's infamous confession to Bonnie, hetold Ray, quote, I just stuck
her with a knife in the stomach. She didn't say a word. In
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that same note, Ray wrote quotenot one but two of Ralph's friends got
calls on the night in question.He wrote, nothing was concrete with one
call, but two different people samerequest. Is something else. If Ralph
couldn't get help, he had todo it himself. This might be why
there was a wet tarp on thelawn early September seventy six. The second
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friend Ray referred to in his notewasn't one of the friends we've already mentioned.
It was yet another man. Ralphmay have called for help. Still,
Ray wrote that only a small partof him believed Ralph could have been
capable of killing Patty. He saidhe was ninety percent convinced of his innocence,
and he attributed the trace of doubtto Ralph's dependence on alcohol and its
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effect on his behavior. After Ralphwent to prison for trying to have the
police captain killed, Patty's sister Aliceand Ralph's sister Marcy fought in court for
custody of Natalie and Dallas. Marcyone, but Patty's family also won visitation
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rights. A few years after gettingcustody, Marcy and her husband officially adopted
Natalie and Dallas. Before the adoption, Marcy told Dallas she would be getting
a new last name. Dallas askedfor a new first name too, so
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if you want to change your name, now's the time to do it.
So she just let me pick myname, and I wanted to be Susanne
Ray. So nobody ever thought Iwas a little boy for one again,
and number two associated with all thecraps that my father and my mother.
I mean, you should see thesepiles and titles of newspaper clippings always on
the front page of the newspaper,always some big, drawn out thing.
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Why can't my dad just I can'the just tell us what happened and get
this over with. Dallas is nowknown to those who love her as Suzanne
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Timms. She's married, has kidsand a nursing degree, and lives about
two hours from Lewiston. Despite herpainful memories of that awful night, she
still wants to know more. Shewants answers. Marcy, the woman Susanne
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now calls mom, believes that Pattychose to leave her daughters and Ralph.
What do you think happen to Pattie? I think that as hard as what
it seems totally impossible, but thatshe thought that Ralph, and she's used
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this phrase before, that it's yourturn to take care of the girls now.
And I think once she got awayand didn't see any way back,
and as her parents got older andpassed away, I think she would have
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wanted to come back, because shedid love her parents. On November seventeenth,
nineteen seventy six, the same daythat Ralph was released on bond while
awaiting trial, a woman called theLewiston newspaper and identified herself as Patty.
She said she wanted to get amessage to her parents, Tom and Toots
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O'Malley. The woman said she lovesher parents and her daughters. She's safe
and she's staying with friends. Newspaperstaff called police. Selene was naturally suspicious
of the call and asked the newspaperemployee who heard the caller's voice to listen
in as he called Ralph's family membersto ask if they had placed that phone
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call. Selene first called Ray andDodie. The employee said Dodie did not
sound like the female voice she heard. Selene then called Marcy. After listening
for just a brief time, theemployee said Marcy's voice sounded a lot like
the woman who had claimed to bePatty. She also said the background noise
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in the call to Marcy sounded likethe long distance connection with the mysterious caller.
Marcy denied making that phone call,and she believes it really could have
been Patty. She said that astime went on, the evidence that Patty
willingly left her family only increased,and something that people who came forward and
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said, you know, when theysaw her and everything, which was either
she went and stayed with somebody else, because she was seeing by people that
lived down the street from him,and they all knew her well, and
she went for walks daily. Shewas always battling her weight. One woman
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told police she saw a woman wearingred pants and a white shirt, which
matched the description of what Patty woreon August thirty first, walking more than
a mile away from the auto home. The woman couldn't be sure of the
exact day she saw her, though. Another couple came forward to say they're
certain they saw Patty leaving her housewith her hair in a mess on August
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thirty first. The problem was thecouple said they saw her that morning.
Patty didn't disappear until late that night. We asked Marcy if she ever wonders
if maybe Ralph did do what justabout everyone suspects to this day. As
soon as I say that I doubtthat he could do it. I believe
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anyone can do anything when they arein a fit of rage. Here's tom
Selene. But I could tell youwhen I drove up there, I believe
a missing person was a missing person, then she would probably be found.
That's what was going through my mind. And then it didn't take me long
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to come to the opinion that thatwasn't the case and that's something had been
done with her. We followed upon thousands of leads, put posters out,
talk to people all over that wouldtell us they had sightings or this
or that. An Absolutely nothing evercame together to support there's any credibility and
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those suggestions made to us on howto solve the case. Do you recall
what first made you have an inklingthat this wasn't just a missing persons case.
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I think it was a combination ofthings. Patty never came home,
there was no contact with Patty.Tom O'Malley. Patty's father knew Ralph,
knew a lot more about him atthat time than any of the rest of
us did, and he was ofthe strong opinion that Ralph had done something
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with his daughter. The other familymembers on the O'Malley side were of that
opinion as well. On Ralph's side, it was the total opposite that,
in my opinion, they wanted toprotect him and never were forthcoming with any
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anything other than she run off ortook off and was gone. So,
but that's typical of what we've seenin many cases we dealt with a lot
of these type of people over aperiod of time and watched the family members
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act and react in different ways,obviously and many times depending on that particular
relationship with the defendant. Throughout Dodie'smanuscript, she described Ralph as a mean
drunk who mistreated everyone who loved him, especially her husband Ray. So we
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were kind of surprised by her responsewhen we asked her what she thought of
Ralph. I liked Ralph. Hewas fun to be around. With that,
you wouldn't trust him, you know, you never knew or knew what
he was going to do. He'sgoing to a start with a pair of
boots, find some new ones,put the new ones on, put the
old ones back up on the shelf, and walk out the door. I
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mean, just stuff like that.They're doing crazy. What'd he brag about
it? About what he would do? What would he brag about what he
would do? Oh no, notnecessarily. Okay, that was just him
one the coat. He just goput on a coat and put the old
one there and walk out the door. That's why we have all these old
things about our things when we shotdown day. Yeah, So another thing
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that struck us was that Doughty includedvery specific details in her manuscript, details
that didn't seem relevant to us,like what Ralph ordered to eat at a
restaurant on a certain day and whatsong he played on the jukebox, But
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there were gaping holes in other places. For instance, after Ralph went to
prison for the murder for Higher Plot, Tom Selene went down to the state
penitentiary in Boise to interview Ralph.It was nineteen seventy eight. At that
point, Patty had been missing fortwo years. Selene was reaching for any
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thread he could pull, trying tosee if Ralph would confess, or maybe
let's slip a clue about where Pattycould be buried. The interview lasted for
nearly two hours. Dodie got acopy of the interview transcript and retyped the
entire forty seven page document word forword for her manuscript, except for two
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pages. She summarized those two pageswith a single sentence. Selene asked Ralph
about his marriage to Joy. Sheomitted that in those two pages worth of
conversation, Ralph described having an onagain, off again affair with Dodie.
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We want to be fair, Ralphcould have been lying about the affair in
We're convinced he lied about a lotof things throughout the interview. He certainly
wasn't a straight shooter. We askedDodie about the omitted pages, and she
said that leaving out the two pagesof the transcript that pertained to her was
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more dignified than denying falsehoods. Shesaid Ralph was jealous of her husband and
wanted him to suffer. That's whyhe said those things. But it does
beg the question if Ralph would boldlyfabricate such a betrayal against his own brother,
why would Dodie refuse to believe thatRalph may have murdered his wife?
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But, like I say, it'sso involved and you just have to take
it piece by piece and go fromthere because it's just it's overwhelming all that.
Why do you think Ray was sowilling to defend Ralph because he knew
innocent, he knew would not dothat. I want to let you in
on a few key things Ralph saidwhen Selene interviewed him in prison. First,
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he said, in knowing certain terms, that he doesn't believe Patty was
a prostitute. This is an actordramatizing the exact words in the transcript.
I know she did. I know, I don't. I don't think she's
a bad mother. That's one thingyou would have pissed me off about that,
Damn Dolores, is the fact thatshe thinks Patty is somewhere but beings
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a prostitute. You see, that'sall she's got in her head is attamp
prostitute somewhere at Patty ain't no prostitute. Ralph also said he did not kill
Patty, but he went on tosay, but I think it would have
been a bit of anger, youknow, something that would piss me off
bad and I had to be halfwhisk you up to do it. But
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I gad him me to kill somebody. Selene asked Ralph to tell him what
really happened to night Patty vanished,Rap said, go my hands. Many
times it seemed like a dream tome, like it was something that didn't
even really happen, that I sawa pictures show or something. But I
did. I don't think I couldhave killed her. Let's assume, for
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the sake of argument, that Ralphdid kill Patty, whether it was a
carefully executed plan or a tragic misstepin a fit of rage. How would
someone who was perpetually drunk conceal theevidence so well? Surely he had to
have gotten help, right and ifso, from whom and where did he
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hide her? On different occasions,Ralph had taunted people with ideas about where
he could have buried Patty if hehad killed her. He mentioned throwing her
body in the river, burying herin a landfill, hiding her in a
concrete dam that was under construction,or sinking her weighted down corpse in a
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deep pond with a silty floor.This is Ron Roady again. My parents
then you were Alph and Patty realwell. But they had lived out of
town and they moved back into townand bought a house on Park Avenue,
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and they lived there for a fewyears, and my mom did smoke gates
that just carried. Right before mymom died. A couple of years ago,
the subject of Patty came up andI said, you know, I've
always thought I knew where she was. And my mom just looked at me
and she said, I know whereshe is, And what are you talking
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about? What she told me?She said, you swear you would never
say a word to anybody about this. Until after we were dead, after
rob a dead, and she proceededto tell me that at that house on
Park Avenue she was having my day, had dig some holes to plant some
trees, and when he was digging, he dug up some bones, big
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bones that was like somebody buried.And they saw that and just immediately filled
the holes back in and didn't saya word. But apparently this house was
owned by a good friend or Ralph's, one of his drinking buddies, who
had later committed suicide. So mymom had no doubt in her mind that
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that's who helped Ralph get rid ofPatty, and that was where she was
buried. That was her they haddug up. So let's recap where people
who knew Ralph had theorized that Pattycould be buried. We've now heard about
that property on Park Avenue and thedeep gravel of the runaway truck ramp on
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the Lewiston Hill, and a fewpeople have mentioned Ralph's property in Wi.
There's also Eve's property in Weip andthe camper she was sieves from Ralph,
although it seems that if the camperwas used, it was only temporarily.
Eve's grandson went inside the camper whenhe was growing up, and he didn't
see anything strange inside. Police ruledout the water tank next to the auto
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home in Lewiston, and the secretroom in the basement held only some stolen
marine jet pumps. In two thousandand nine, a cadaver dog sniffed all
around Ralph's Lewiston property but didn't givean alert that human remains might be buried
there. We've also heard people mentionedshe could have been taken to a nearby
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rock quarry with a limepool, orthe island Ralph once owned on the Clearwater
River. And of course we knowthat Ralph owned heavy equipment, including a
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dump truck, and he was familiarwith remote mountain roads because he had done
work for the Forest Service clearing roadsof mudslides. Which brings us to the
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Jane Doe who was found in nineteenseventy eight in a remote area of Oregon.
Next time on still this is mymother, but nobody's gonna believe me
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because it sounds too crazy. Anyonewith information pertaining to the disappearance of Patricia
Otto should contact the Lewiston Police Department'stipline at two zero eight two nine eight
three nine three nine. Anyone withinformation pertaining to the identity of the Finlay
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Creek Jane Doe or other information relatedto that case should contact the Union County
District Attorney at DA at Union hyphenCounty dot org. If you, or
anyone you know is a victim ofdomestic abuse, please contact the National Domestic
Violence Hotline at eight hundred seven ninenine. Safe. STILL is a production
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of The Reporter's Notebook and Grayson ShawMedia. You can connect with us online
at The Reporter's Notebook dot com orvia email at info at the Reporter's Notebook
dot com. Still was researched,written and produced by Karen Shaw Anderson.
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Additional research and script editing provided byChristine Hughes. Original music by Smith Uosso,
Additional narration provided by b. J. Blackburn and Lloyd Turning. I'm
your host and associate producer Gary Anderson. Special thanks to everyone who graciously provided
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interviews and help with our research.We would specifically like to thank the advocates
for Patricia Otto and the Finlay CreekJan Dooe Task Force. Like Follow and
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