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February 24, 2022 37 mins
Hunters found a murdered woman in the woods in 1978. Investigators were never able to identify her, however Patty Otto’s daughter believes the woman is her missing mother. But now, the Jane Doe’s remains are missing too. Can a search dog help uncover the answers we need?
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This podcast contains intense subject matter.Listener discretion is advised. So you remember
finding the remember, Yeah, itwas actually I was with my dad when
because I was only eight, Iwas surprised how much I could remember,
you know, because I came uphere and made to make sure to make

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sure I knew what I was talkingabout, and I could remember it.
And yeah, so it was prettyeasy to find the campsite. And I
went up there and walked around,and I think I got real close to
uh to where to where the gravewas. Yeah, from the pages of

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the reporter's notebook. This is stillseason two. I'm your host, Gary
Anderson. I'm not knowing you wayabout the pin. Yeah, lit the

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pin s. Yeah, I'm backthere, but I'm like, okay,
we'll learn. What are you guyshere in this area? Were below?
We're back below, but we're gonnalet Rob row. I don't know what
Rober this. We're deep into thefoothills of the Blue Mountain in eastern Oregon
degree everybody brought a camp trailer,I remember that, and one family was

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camped over there. I think wewere camped pretty much in front of my
truck. And then there was anotheranother camper down there. My colleagues and
I caravan up here with the group. All told, there were a dozen
of us plus a few dogs beforewe arrived at this spot. We all

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rendezvoused in the nearest town Okay,now Somerville, Oregon, population one hundred
and forty four. Okay, I'mlike I recogna's okay, Sirian Christine.
Nice to meet you, guys.The town is about ten miles southeast of
where an unidentified woman's remains were foundby hunters in late August of nineteen seventy

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eight. We're here to see thatspot, learn more about the case,
and do some searching for more evidence. On this mild August day in twenty
twenty one, we're joined by SusanneTims, who, as you may recall,

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is Pattie and Ralph Otto's daughter.She changed her name from Dallas to
Susanne when her aunt Marcy adopted herand her sister Natalie. Susanne believes that
Jane Doe, the hunters found morethan forty years ago, could have been
her mom. Okay, all right, we've been waiting a long time for
those guys. Yes, this isbig, it's exciting, and we're going

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to bring back some good news today. So we're gonna bring back some good
news. Let's do this. We'llintroduce you to other members of this group
as you hear their voices. Fromthe meeting point in town. We all
followed a rural road past fields andacres and acres of farms. This is

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the type of land that looks likea patchwork quilt if you look at it
from a satellite view. The firstleg of the drive was punctuated by abrupt
ninety degree turns as Somerville Road inDry Creek Lane traced the edges of crop
ridge fields. At Craig Loop,we ran out of pavement. From there,

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our tires followed shallow ruts in thedirt and gravel. Do we have
any idea what this mountain is called? When we finally reached Ruckle Road,
we turned right and headed farther northpast jack Cold and Moonshine canyons, slowly
ascending into the mountains. There's noservice. The chalky road that took us

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up here was originally the Thomas andRuckll toll Road for horse led wagons.
Over the past century and a half, the road has been trecked by bandits,
loggers, day trippers, and hippies. As the road gradually narrowed,
we occasionally had to make way foranother vehicle to pass. At times,

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tree branches scraped against our car.The road was washed out by mudslides in
the past, but the gravel isstill in relatively good shape, with just
a few ruts and deeper dips hereand there. By the time we stopped,
the trees looked as tall as skyscrapers. We parked and walked a few
yards toward a small clearing on ourleft. But what we have to remember

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is we're looking at forty years ofgrowth here in fact, because this and
I would bet that if we uncoveredall that brush, we'd find a fire
pit, because that's where everybody hungout. And back then you could see
this, You could see that wholeridge. You know, those trees weren't,

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you know, nearly as tall asthey are now. And yeah,
this was definitely the spot. That'sRob Parr talking. He was only eight
years old in nineteen seventy eight whenhis dad and a buddy took their sons
with them for a big game hunt. The old population around the Blue Mountains

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of eastern Oregon was thriving back then, and hunters from surrounding states flocked to
the area. The clearing we werestanding in had held campsites for several hunters,
and it was still only archery season. Rob and his dad were only
about thirty miles from their home,but in terrain like this, driving thirty

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miles takes well over an hour.Camping overnight is not only practical, it's
part of the experience. So,and where we found the skeleton is just
up there's kind of a little ridgeright here. It kind of goes up
and then back down before it headsup heads up that hill, and it

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was right up there alongside the righton that ridge. You'll see it when
we go down there. There.We go down through this crick we just
followed up, and it's just rightdown through the other crick on a game
trail, and that game trail isstill there. So you know, how
animals are there, creatures of habitAnd so the son of the other adult
hunter in their party was the firstto stumble across the woman's remains. Large

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groupings of bones appeared to have beendug up by animals, and we're lying
on the trail in front of himwhen we came back up and found it,
you know, because it was initiallyfound and then you know, the
kid didn't know where it was,and so everybody came up looking, and
I remember my dad and I wewere done, we were we couldn't find

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it. Everybody's calling it quits,and we were headed back and we were
coming from this direction down the trail, and bam, there it was.
But I vividly remember them, theskull, the boots in between the skull
and rib cache. I can seeit plain his day. We followed Rob

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up the same path law enforcement tookas they responded to the scene in nineteen
seventy eight. And I'm not adetective, but this area, just the
way the grass has kind of lookeddown there, and the way this ground
looks right here, there's really noreason for this pilot dirt here, and

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there's an indentation there. And becauseI remember, you know, as the
corners were going through and sipton,yeah, you know, they left a
pilot of dirt on each side ofthey never backfilled it. Well, yeah,
where were they? The woman's voiceyou here is Melinda Jetterburg, a
volunteer investigator who has been working sincetwenty nineteen, to try to help the

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jandoe reclaim her identity, She andother volunteers formed the Finlay Creek Jandoe Task
Force. Here's Rob Parr again talkingabout watching the investigators search for evidence in
the shallow grave. I'm not sayingthis is the spot, but I know
we're really I know we're really reallyclose because as a kid, you know,

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being a curious eight year old kid, I would sneak away, you
know, because I wasn't enough tohelp with my dad when they go out
in these big hunts in the mornings, and I would sneak away from camp
and come up here and watch,you know, just as a curious kid.
And I remember watching them. Iremember there was two of them.
I remember they had their little screensout and they were just sifting away through
the dirt. But Suzanne, you'rereally close right here. I know you

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are. Investigators work for days atthe site, taking photos, documenting locations
of every bone and scrap of cloth, sifting through dirt for tiny remnants of
bone, and slowly bringing every thingthey could find out of the shallow grave.

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The grave appeared to be a littlemore than two feet deep. It
was twenty inches wide and four feetlong. A cable possibly from a CBE
radio or a high end stereo,and pieces of a nylon cord were buried
with the bones. There were noobvious signs of trauma on their remains,

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which appeared to have been in theground anywhere from two to five years.
The investigators recovered a pair of redpants Catalina brand Junior's size fifteen Ladies Size
sixteen. The length had been altered. They also found some zippers and what
appeared to have once been white cloth, possibly from a halter top. The

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clothing all appeared to be consistent withsomeone who was dressed for warm weather,
all except for a pair of anklehigh lace up boots. The woman had
light brown or blonde hair and appearedto be in her early twenties. The
medical examiner estimated that she stood betweenfive foot one and five foot four inches

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tall and had a slight build,weighing anywhere from one hundred and fifteen to
one hundred and forty pounds. Thecrews working at the crime scene were not
able to find the entire skeleton.Portions of her right arm and hand were
missing. The bones were probably carriedaway by animals. Before our team went

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to the site, Susanna arranged tohave a canine handler meet us there with
a dog to see if anything elsecould be sniffed out, Like, oh
my gosh, even after forty years, finding just a tooth is not an

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impossible task for a well trained searchdog. Amity Larson, who is with
us today, is a nationally certifiedsearch and rescue canine handler who also raises,
trains and sometimes breeds German shepherds forthis type of work. As Rob
showed us the spot where he remembersseeing the grave, Amity and her dog

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Brand worked the hill in a meticulouspattern, sweeping back and forth across the
slope. Sometimes the dog ran upthe hill, but Bran seemed most interested
in areas below where the grave hadbeen. So we've been in both of
those areas several times and it's likeshe kind of checks that moves down.
But if you take that all intoaccount, yet exactly right, so where

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everything runs down, so um,it would be different if we had someone
buried there, because she probably stillwould pick up odor down because of water
going down through, you know,hydraulics and stuff going down through, But
she would be more inclined to belike, though, there's something here,
and it's here, and here's thehere's the box that you're going to find

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it in. And when we've workedgraves where I know that, you know
the body is in that grave,she's done that. She's worked the edges
of the grave. Mafra. She'smore likely to alert on the edge of
a grave than on top of it, so because that's where the odors mostly
odors escaping, it's from the edgeof it. As we watched Amity and

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Brin work, several of us gatheredand chatted on the slope above the grave.
Susanne sat down on the ground torest. The search dog ran up
and laid down next to Suzanne,something it's trained to do when it finds
something. No one said a word. I meant my heart about stopped.
M yeah, and twice. Whatis that When the dog sits down,

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that's the sign to say, laydown, lay down down sign. I
think she did lay down one.That means she found something. This is
it. But they were explaining shethinks she's also trained to search for an
injured hiker. So Susanne is sittingdown. She may have said I found
some Everyone else was standing at thetime. Hond was the only one sitting.

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I found her. She's the injuredone. You are injured, Dianne
injured. I think I smell likeinjury. That other voice you heard was
Jennifer Harrington, Susanne's cousin. Shehas helped tremendously with the research for this
case, helping to track down documentsand witnesses. After Bryn laid down next

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to Suzanne, Amity called her backto work, saying, that's not your
person. Melinda, the researcher,and Rob talked about some of the early
theories about who the Jane Doak be. Also on Craig Loop, there was
a woman named Burt Metcalf who livedthere, and she and her family were
really familiar with this area. Theyhunted here too, So I came here

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with her and her son as well, and we wandered around up here a
little bit. I've just never beenable to zero in on the exact area,
so I'm hoping I can well,and maybe you'll know. But I
just remember, you know, everybodywas speculating back at the time that there
used to be In the late sixtiesand early seventies, there was a hippies

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camp somewhere up here and like,and I mean when I was a kid.
I mean, because they had abunch of garbage, they had,
like their own, their own garbageto dump over there, and being an
eight year old kid, I wasover there crawling through their garbage, you
know. And I think it wasright a little bit down the creek from
here, and so people were speculatingat the time that, you know,

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it was a hippies had it wasa hippie kill, basically, that was
the speculation that I remember him talkingabout at the time. Yeah, I
heard that rumor as well. Ihad two different women who lived on Craig
Loop at the time call me afterthe newspaper article came out last year saying
that they remembered to women who hadbeen up here and they just saw them

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walking and they thought they were squatting. I don't know if you guys saw
me point out the window at StanleyCabin back there, they think that they
were squatting there. If you godown there, there's not much down there
now, but there's also when yougo back a little ways, you can
see the base of another cabin thatused to be there, So you know,

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there's anywhere that they could have beenstaying up here. We called Bertha
Metcalf to try to get more detailsabout what she remembers. Hello, Hi,
is this Bertha? Yes, Icould tell you everything I know.
Okay, from what I understand,you recall seeing two women who were wandering

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the roads around the time that thebody was found. Yes, my husband
and I was working out front inthe yard and we saw these two young
girls walk by the house. AndI'm trying to think if she had red
pantshone or checks or something. Ican't remember, but they just was walking

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by and we said hi, theysaid hi, and they kept on going,
and we watched them turn off CraigLoop and go up Bruckel and that's
always saw And did either of themseem to be in distress? No,
they did not. Do you feellike one of the women you saw is
the body that was later found.I'm thinking it was, okay because she

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was the smaller of the two.And what puzzles me is what happened to
the other woman? Right right?And yeah, were they followed? Yeah?
I mean, you know, Iworked for a police department for ten
years and I do have always questionedthat Dale Mammon and I have discussed this,

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so I just I don't know.I have a lot of questions.
Dale Mammon was the district attorney forUnion County back in the seventies. Later,
you're going to hear his recollections ofgoing to the site and seeing the
grave. So what other questions doyou have? Maybe it was a guy
dressed up like a girl, Idon't know. Yeah, but what happened

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to her for him? And howwas this lady killed? I would be
taking up like an archaeology dig andI would try and find some bones left
over, because surely that god,they didn't get all them bones. And
with DNA today, you know,Bertha put us in touch with her son

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Kit. He didn't have much toadd to what his mother already told us,
but we wanted to ask him ifit seemed reasonable that someone from Lewiston,
Idaho might go to the area tohunt Idahope I would have had good
hunting, But I mean, wehad people from Texas everywhere, so there
could have been people from Lewiston.The Lewiston angle felt like a reach,

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but we were really curious if it'splausible to think that Ralph could have come
all the way to this spot tobury his wife. If so, to
get here from Lewiston, Idaho,he probably would have gone across the Snake
River into Washington and taken Highway onetwenty nine down through a Sotan and into

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the hills and gulches of southeast Washingtonand northeast Oregon. We drove it just
to see what the drive would belike, and it was quite the experience.
While you navigate switch back turns,winding up and down steep canyons,
in particular the Grand Rond River Canyon, you have to be alert for wildlife,

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which there's plenty of right in themiddle of the road, be ready
to break at any moment. Alltold, it took us more than three
hours to make the drive one way, and we were doing it in the
daylight and on a paved surface.Back in nineteen seventy six, this highway
only had gravel in some spots,and the guardrails that gave us a monicum

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of security hadn't yet been installed.We didn't even want to imagine making that
drive while drunk, sleepy, orhigh on drugs. Randy Benton, the
man Ralph wanted to kill because ofa brief relationship with Patty had made that
drive often when he was playing gigswith his band. When we played for

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the Joseph Radio Road. I dateda girl in there or Joseph as the
crow flies. Joseph, Oregon isabout forty miles southeast of the spot where
the Jane Doe was found, andwe finally decided we'd better get married to
work. I was going to killhim driving that road. But yeah,

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I'm driven that road, I don'tknow, five hundred times. It's a
scary road. We drove it justyesterday and I just can't imagine that.
Yeah, I can't imagine doing itdrunk. Well I can't, yeah either,
you know. Um, but whenyou're twenty one in bulletproof, you
can do anything. I'm not sayingI always drove a drunk and again,

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um, I have driven it afterdrinking a few um. But yeah,
and it used to be way differentthan it is now. The gravel was
almost all of you remember all themcurs, yes going down in there.
Yeah, well that used to begrowled. Oh man, that would be

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terrifying. Yeah, I could,I could tell you. Yeah, we
used to see Barren Mount Lion andyou know, everything on that road.
I could probably tell you some storiesabout that road. But were there railing?
Yes, it's treacherous winter, Ican imagine. Were there railings everywhere
when you were driving it back?Then? You mean guard a roll?

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Yeah? No, no, Andand right at the bottom it just washed
out last year, so that's anew bridge. This all just reinforces our
thinking that if the Jane Doe isindeed Patty Otto and Ralph brought her here,

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he had to have had help.But was this woman Patty? Patty
Otto had blonde hair, was twentyfour years old, five foot three,
and about one hundred and forty pounds. She was last seen wearing red pants
and a white blouse. Everything abouther seemed to be a remarkably close match

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to the Jindoe, except for somethingelse found in the grave that we haven't
told you about, a fetus estimatedto have been from the third trimester of
pregnancy. When we first talked toSuzanne in early summer twenty twenty one,

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she had just recently seen the compositedrawing a forensic artist made of what the
Jaando probably looked like. So nobodyin my family, they're all saying,
Susanne, I see kind of aresemblance, but there's no way that's your
mom. We would have known she'spregnant. There's no way she could have
hid that. Susanne believes her momcould have easily hidden a pregnancy, especially

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because Susanne herself didn't look pregnant whenshe delivered one of her own babies,
and if Patty had mixed feelings aboutgetting pregnant while she and Ralph were having
marital problems, she might have triedto hide her pregnancy for as long as
possible. The medical examiner's report doesn'tindicate that any of the clothing found at
the scene was maternity style. Thattells us that the woman may not have

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developed a visible baby bump. Yetthe pants she was wearing were from a
line of sportswear that was often madewith stretchy polyester. Because more than one
person told us that Patty struggled withher weight, we wonder could it be
because she was carrying a baby?Did she find out she was pregnant?

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Reconcile with my dad and then it'slike, hey, I need to tell
you I'm pregnant, and merriment notyour baby, but her whole family insists
no way. She was not pregnant. It's impossible. Nevertheless, on September
first, nineteen seventy eight, exactlytwo years after Patty vanished, her parents

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flew with Tom Selene to a crimelab in Pendleton, Oregon, to look
at the clothes found at the scene. When the O'Malley saw the clothing taken
to the lab, they said theydidn't think it was what Patty had been
wearing when she vanished. None ofthe reports from Patty's disappearance described her blouse

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as a halter top, and theankle high boots found at the scene looked
more like men's work boots than thefashionable shoes Patty would have worn. Just
to be clear, the boots weren'tsimply thrown into the grave with them.
They were on her feet when shewas buried. But there's no record to

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indicate the size of the boots.Maybe they weren't hers, maybe her killer
put them on her feet. Allwe can do is speculate. The Oregon
State Medical Examiner also compared Patty's dentalrecords to the jawbones recovered at the scene
and said they didn't match. Hewrote in his notes that the Jane doe

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found near a Ruckel road had anumber of fillings that didn't match Patty's most
recent dental x rays. He alsonoted that one of the Jando's wisdom teeth
was missing, but three others lookednormal. However, in a memo the
medical examiner wrote to one of theOregan investigators explaining the comparison, he cited

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contradictory details. The memo said theJando was missing three wisdom teeth, with
one remaining maxillary molar. After seeingthe composite drawing of what the Jando probably
looked like, Suzanne looked at actualphotos of the Jando's remains, particularly her

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skull, and became convinced that theunidentified woman is her mother. She talked
to her own dentist to get hisopinion. When she handed her mother's X
ray film to the dentist, heremarked that the copy had been printed on
the wrong side of the film.No one had noticed the error before because

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otto the most identifiable word on theX ray is a palindrome, the letters
are in the same order, evenif they're written backward. He pointed to
a letter in the corner of thefilm that indicates right and left. It
was backward that could explain why thefillings in her X ray didn't match those

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of the Jane Doe. They appearedto be on the wrong side of the
jaw. So I start getting dentalrecords pictures of my mom. Comparing the
pictures. I'm taking the teeth inthose photos and I'm tracing them, and
I have her X ray and I'mtracing them. This is my mother,

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but nobody's gonna believe me because itsounds too crazy. So I'm calling the
police department to have them send dentalrecords to Oregon. I want her compared
again. This is my mother.I can tell I'm a nurse, not
an odentologist, but I can tellthese teeth belong to this body. I
can see every variance in the teethin the skeletal photos. The current Oregon

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State Forensic Anthropology looked at the photosof the Jane Doe and digital images of
Patty's X rays and said she can'tdraw any conclusions based on the images alone,
and she can't compare Patty's X raysto X rays taken of the Jane
Doe's skull and teeth because they're missing, along with all the remains and evidence

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from the scene. After the medicalexaminer documented details of the case in nineteen
seventy eight, the Jane Doo's remainswere sent to a funeral home for storage
until a positive identification could be made. Twelve years later, with the case

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still unsolved, the only evidence thatmight give us a clue about her identity
was destroyed and the Jane Doe andher unborn baby's sculled to remains were sent
to a crematorium. In an upcomingepisode, we'll talk more about how all
this unfolded. But you should knowthat after the cremation, even the cremated

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remains were lost, the paper trailof who had custody of the cremains went
cold. Now she's missing again,missing twice. There's your podcast title.
Yeah, how do you vanishing time? We talked to daale' mammon, who
was the Union County District Attorney backin nineteen seventy eight. He went to

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the scene after the Jane Doe wasfound and watched over some of the work
being done to unearth her. Fromwhat I understand, the remains and the
any evidence that may have been foundwith her were later destroyed. Is that
something that is typical. No,not in my opinion. Okay. And

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now sometimes all that they get missedplay or get put on a shelf,
but not not destroyed especially or somethinglike this. So yeah, now that's
that's a rather unusual phenomena that we'dfind us in. Has this case just
stayed with you over the years,Well, it's one that you remember more

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than more than the others. It'sit's so many unknown, so many somebody's
daughters was there, Um, somebody'sgrandchild was there. Mammon had not heard
of the Patti Auto case until wetold him about it. Well, and
you know that's interesting because Lewiston isa back road where this is the northeast

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Oorian. There's one road that goesto Lewiston. Um, and if somebody
were to get out of Lewiston andthey would come into Enterprise and then on
over towards the Grand Rude Valley,probably well, there's a couple of greedy
old cabins or remnants of cabins onthis area. So it was it's been

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an area of access for probably onehundred and fifty years. But I don't
know, if you know, somebodywere driving down one of the main cross
mountain roads and said, oh,here's a here's that old road. Let
me just take it and see whereit goes. If they were going up

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the road to the Northern Northern Leaguedirection, it was within a couple of
miles of basically civilization farming area.If they were coming from the other direction,
from the north, from the ElginWeston Highway, they say, whoops,
almost out of the mountains, Ibetter better do something. So it

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was clearly not a place close toa home where you know, somebody could
have taken somebody, but there wereno other reported deaths in the area.
The Weston Elgin Highway Manon is referringto is a curvy two lane highway that
takes drivers between the Oregon towns ofWeston and Elgin. Weston is northwest of

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the site of the Jane Does Remains, and Elgin is a short distance southeast
of the spot. To approach thesite from the north, as Rob and
his dad did back in nineteen seventyeight, you'd leave the highway just south
of the Andes Prairie Snow Park andtake a winding forest service road along miles
of mountain ridges before reaching Rouco Road. It's another four miles or so down

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Rouco Road before reaching their campsite.To go the way Rob and his dad
drove into the site back in nineteenseventy eight. It would be a shot
in the dark to find that spotif you didn't know what you were doing.
We explained to Mammon that Patty didn'tappear to be pregnant when she disappeared
in nineteen seventy six. In hismind, that doesn't rule herround as being

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the woman found in these hills.Many times, not many, but sometimes
people and leugenerically termed it a fullterm Now you know, that could have
been anywhere from three or four monthsup to you know skeleton. Um certainly

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wasn't scientific that it was a fullterm pregnancy. It's just the lay people
there said, you know there wasevidence of the fetus, right, so
that that element does not bother meat all. Um m m. Interesting.
What what happened to the husband anyidea time on? Still, but

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we had to actually remove him,physically remove him from the area because he
wouldn't stop working to locate the sourceof the smell. Anyone with information pertaining
to the disappearance of Patricia Otto shouldcontact the Lewiston Police Department's tipline at two

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zero eight two nine eight three ninethree nine. Anyone with information pertaining to
the identity of the Finland Creek JaneDoe or other information related to that case
should contact the Union County District Attorneyat DA at Union hyphen County dot org.
If you, or anyone you knowis a victim of domestic abuse,

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please contact the National Domestic Violence Hotlineat eight hundred seven nine nine. Safe
STILL is a production with a Reporter'sNotebook and Grayson Shaw Media. You can
connect with us online at the Reporter'sNotebook dot com or via email at info

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at the Reporter's Notebook dot com.Still was researched, written and produced by
Karen Shaw Anderson. Additional research inscript editing provided by Christine Hughes. Original
music by Smith Uosso. I'm yourhost and associate producer Gary Anderson. Special

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thanks to everyone who graciously provided interviewsand help with our research. We would
specifically like to thank the advocates forPatricia Otto and the Finlay Creek Jindoe Task
Force. Like Follow and subscribe toSTILL on your favorite podcast platform, and
follow us on Facebook or Twitter.To join the conversation. Ezekiel thirty four

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sixteen. I will seek the lost, and I will bring back the stray,
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!

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