S2 Episode 8: Filling in the Blanks

We walk through some of the theories we’ve developed about how Ralph Otto might have been able to conceal a murder and what factors may have influenced the decisions he made. Do our conjectures hold water? Is the Finley Creek Jane Doe Patty Otto? And what’s next for these investigations?

Episode Transcript

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This podcast contains intense subject matter.Listener discretion is advised. I do think
he was capable of doing it,but it is strange because whatever happened happened

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that night, and then he calledme, you know, and he brought
me the girls the next day,and then he's the bonnie. So when
did he get rid of the bodyFrom the pages of the reporter's notebook?

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This is still season two. I'myour host, Gary Anderson. Patty Otto's

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sister, Alice Mills, has nodoubt that Ralph Otto killed his wife the
nine of August thirty first, nineteenseventy six. What she doesn't know is
where Ralph took her body and howhe managed to hide a murder victim without
anyone knowing. We've wondered that too, so we want to review the timeline

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of his known whereabouts and floats sometheories for how things could have played out.
I want to be clear though thesetheories are simply conjecture. We need
your help to determine if they lineup with the truth. Someone out there
knows what happened to Patty Otto.Someone also knows who the Findlay Creek Jando

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is, and if she's Patty sohere we go with our impressions of Patty's
case. We know that Ralph andPatty fought sometime after she left her parents'
house at around eleven pm on Augustthirty first, Remember that was a Tuesday

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night. Ralph told police Patty wasalready home when he returned at about midnight.
He said they fought, he wentto sleep, and she left sometime
before he awoke the next morning.His next verified contact with anyone is sometime

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after the sun rose September first.Witnesses said that he went to Bonnie shop
Bell's house with his two daughters beforenoon, but it's not clear exactly what
time he arrived. Just to remindyou, Bonnie was Ralph's girlfriend before he
married Patty. He was helping Bonnie'sbrother transfer a refrigerator from Bonnie's house to

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a moving van because she was leavingfor California the following day. Ralph called
Alice around one and then took thegirls to her house at about two.
His whereabouts for the remainder of theday are well accounted for. I didn't
realize he in all this time thathe with Bonnie right away. I thought

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when I had the girls that hedisposed to for them. He brought me
to girls, but it sounds likehe was with Bonnie. Ralph took Bonnie
shopping in Lewiston for a new outfithis going away present, and then they
had dinner with her parents, Wayneand Helen Bartlett. Other than telling people
that he couldn't find his wife,his behavior on September first didn't seem out

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of the ordinary. So that's why. Now does it make more sense if
somebody else helped that night? Yeah, because I think he had it got
rid of it sometime in the beddleof night. How could he have been
so common next day with a bodyhanging around that's true, Well, this
is Ralph's soil. I guess hecould have. But the Bartlett's dropped Ralph

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off at his house between ten andten thirty that night. His truck was
still in a sotan at Bonnie's parentshouse. The next morning, on September
second, Ralph called Bonnie and askedher a ride back to get his truck.
This is when his demeanor changed.Ralph sat down for breakfast at the

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Bartlett's house but didn't eat. Hiseyes were red and watery, and he
was visibly upset. Bonnie said,he told her he had been up all
night and emphatically declared that Patty wouldnot be coming back. Police interviewed the
Bartlett's about four months after this breakfastwith Ralph. Bonnie's mom said she and

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her husband had known Ralph for abouttwenty years. During the interview, which
police taped, Helen Bartlett said shedidn't recall anything unusual about Ralph's behavior that
day, but she was also extremelytight lipped about what Ralph said the night
he told Bonnie he had killed Patty. Helen said, I wouldn't pay any

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attention to anything he said. Whenpolice asked her what Annie had said about
Ralph's confession, she said, well, I don't even like to repeat it.
Detectives asked her why not, becauseI didn't pay too much attention to
it. Wayne and I both toldher that, you know how he was
talking about that wire and just forgetit. Ralph was apparently hallucinating that some

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wire had gotten wrapped around his tire. Monnie told detective Tom Selene that Ralph
must have killed Patty between September firstand September second. She had been with
him most of the day on Septemberfirst, but he didn't start acting differently
until the following day, when hesat down with the Bartlets for breakfast.

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Is it possible that Ralph did killPatty late on August thirty first, the
night she disappeared, but stashed herbody somewhere for twenty four hours until he
could get rid of her. AsAlice said, it seems odd that he
could act so naturally knowing that abody was hidden in his house or somewhere
nearby. It's worth noting that Alicewas inside his house as she looked around

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briefly on September first. Other thana missing couch cushion, she didn't see
anything alarming. This is Christine readingfrom the transcript of what Alice told police
in a taped interview several days afterPatty vanished. First I knocked and called
her name, and then I justwent all through the house, kitchen,

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bedroom's, living room, downstairs,I looked in the garage, and then
I just kind of walked around theyard. In that interview back in nineteen
seventy six, Selene wanted to beclear. He asked Alice, quote,
you were suspicious and thought he haddone her in or something. She responded,
yes, In a previous episode,you also heard Alice say she was

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nervous on that walk through and didn'tlinger when she looked around, she didn't
see any blood. The house wasa mess, though, and Alice said
Patty would not have left it thatway. On September two, the day
Bonnie said Ralph was acting strangely,Alice returned to the house to get closed
for the girls. This was theday Alice Saw's shovel leaning against the house

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and a tarp spread out in thebackyard. Patty's station wagon was also parked
in an unusual spot. It wason the side of the house, near
the door that led from the kitchento the yard. Let's talk for a
minute about that station wagon. Weare not certain of the exact model,

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but we do know it was anineteen seventy one Chevrolet. Chevy offered several
varieties of station wagons that year.Even though we don't know the exact model,
it's certain that it was roomy.Was that the kind that had the
third row of seats in the backthat folded down. I'm not sure it

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had a third row seat. Idon't remember seeing a third row seat.
I just know it had a lotof storage back, you know, and
you had your front seat, backseat, and then it had the big
storage area okay, instead of havinga trunk. But I don't remember third
row seats yet they were They werealways sold it down. We wondered if

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the cargo area was spacious enough tostash a body. We found someone in
New Mexico with a similar station wagonlisted for sale. John Seyford's Chevy Wagon
is two years newer and maybe slightlysmaller than Patti's was, but we figured
it was close enough in body styleto be worth checking out. We asked

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John if we could send someone byto look at it, Even though we
made it clear that we weren't interestedin buying the vehicle, John was kind
enough to oblige kick it out.Did he tell you what this was about?
Yeah, you do a true crime. Yeah, so Gary does a
Gary Karen. They do a truecrime podcast called Still and Our friends,

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Jeff Wilson and Michelle Pool happened tobe traveling through New Mexico recently and offered
to take a detour through the villageof Pacas to look the car over a
compartment or their seat folds down andhe just wanted me to stop, buy
and see is not even plausible?I would say absolutely yes. We had
one that style when I was akid. Yeah, and we had the

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seats that were in the back thatwould flowed out like that instead of instead
of like the backways like this way. They went side to side and had
like a little areas, so theywere like opposing we had had. They
were opposing, and they had likea little area that would come up for
like a little seat or a littletable as magnetics checkers, so they wouldn't
slide around. Okay, so that'splenty if I would definitely say there's plenty
of space, you're we going tolook and take a look. This car

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had been sitting unused for quite sometime, and the tailgate had got and
jammed. I always think John gaveJeff and Michelle permission to pride open to
get a better look. Round wheeland the round keys from the square doors.
You don't mind me pulling on it? Whatever you need to may not
be possible, Yeah, I don'tknow it was. I tried to open

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it the other day and I couldn't. I got the keys to turn.
I don't know if it's just frozenshut or I've got some pryebars if you
want, Um, do you havethe keys to Oh you said it's in
the cognition. Yeah, the keysare in the cognition. Like I said,
the square keys are there. Imean the let's say, if we
can get this door open. Oncethey got the rear door open, they
saw the cargo space. Wow.We got ahold of GM's vehicle information kit

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for nineteen seventy one Chevy Station wagons. Every model in the line had a
ton of unobstructed space in the rearcargo area. Vehicles without the third row
seat option had the most space.A removable or foldable platform divides the rear
base. Below the platform, thereis a well between the wheels. Without

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a third row of seats, thewell space is more than four feet wide
and several feet long. Turn itturn the key. So how does this
fold up? You know? Asfar as I know, I think that
just flips back. Look at that. Wow, oh yeah, I can
totally fit in there. Okay,oh yeah, I can fit in there.

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So the person was petite. Ibelieve. I believe you could put
a person in here. Absolutely,that's probably three foot wide by I could
fit in there. You could forsure I'm five ten, so yeah,
yeah, if you're folded up prettygood, I think you probably you don't
even have to fold up pretty good. I mean if you just know,

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like yeah, I just I justbeen in half I could fit. Well,
that's interesting. Yeah, I wouldsay it's definitely possible to if there's
somebody in there. Our friend Michelleis about six inches taller than Patty was.

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To test her assertion that she'd fit, Michelle climbed inside the well space.
Even with tools and a third rowseat in the way, which Patty's
station wagon didn't have. She wasalmost able to fully curl up inside the
well. If the seat weren't there, she could have easily spread out and
be concealed under the platform. Somethingelse to keep in mind is that Ralph's

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friend Ron Roady told us that Ralphhad gotten stuck at the top of a
runaway truck ramp. To refresh yourmemory, this is what he told us
in episode four. They had aCheverley station wagon and Ralph I don't even
know why he told me or howhe told me that he had been out
that night in the middle of thenight. They were building the new Lewiston

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Hill at the time. And hehad gotten that station wagon stuck at the
top of one of the runaway truckgramps, in the gravel, and he
brought a bucket of that gravel homewith him. So I always kind of
suspected that that's where he put hervolley, is up in the deep gravel

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of the runaway truck ramp, whichwould be a spot nobody would ever dig
up. That was always my suspicions. Ron said Ralph was driving the station
wagon, not his truck. Itseems bizarre to us that someone would attempt
to drive any kind of vehicle ontop of a gravel runaway tru truck ramp.

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Those ramps, which are built intothe side of a steep hill,
are designed to let the driver ofa semitruck essentially bury his rig deep into
an enormous pile of gravel if hisbrakes give out, stopping the truck from
careening out of control. Now,maybe when Ron referred to Ralph getting stuck
at the top of one of thoseramps, he didn't mean literally on top

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of the gravel. Let's just assumethat's even possible. Whatever his reason might
have been for attempting such a thing, why would he do it in a
station wagon when he had a truckat his disposal. The answer might be
that he had left his truck atBonnie's parents house overnight between September first and
September second, and the station wagonwas still parked outside his house and available

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for him to drive. Patty hadn'ttaken off in it, and Ralph said
himself that she wasn't coming back.We don't think he would have hidden Patty's
body in the station wagon for afull day until he had time to bury
her. The next night, onthat September first, the temperature rose to
one hundred degrees in Lewiston. Ifhe had waited to bury her, she
had to have been stashed somewhere else. Alice didn't see her anywhere in the

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house. Was there another place hecould have hidden her body temporarily until he
could safely dispose of it. Wedo know that Ralph had a chest style
freezer in the basement. In aprevious episode, we talked about Ralph's brother

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Ray and his sister in law Dodie, searching Ralph's house for clues about Patty's
whereabouts in early November of nineteen seventysix. During one of those searches,
the couple noted that they found ahotel key on the basement floor near the
freezer. We don't think Ralph keptour body there for weeks, but it

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could have been in the freezer fora day. When we interviewed Selene,
he told us he didn't think thatwas the case. Though I can't be
sure of that, but I wouldsay absolutely not in my judgment. Okay.
We'd like to note, though,that the house wasn't searched by police

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until several days after Patty disappeared.That gave Ralph time to move her body,
even if it had been temporarily storedon his property. Police probably looked
in the freezer during one of theirwalkthroughs, but there may have been no
visible evidence that Patty had been putthere. We're not crime scene technicians,

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so we don't know what specific cluespolice may have looked for. Keep in
mind, though, the freezer isjust our theory. Until this episode,
we've tried to be objective and haveconsciously tried not to make the seemingly random
bits and pieces of evidence fit ourtheories about what happened that night and whether
Patty Otto is to Findley Creek JaneDoe. But this seems like a good

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time to float another idea that's continuallynagged at us. It's about those boots
that were found on the Jane Doe. After studying the photos from the crime
scene for a while, we startedto intently focus on the boots, and
we're just trying to, you know, say, couldn't I saw the pictures
of those boots, those boots,so we'll talk about Yes, those are

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not Patty's boots. Alice was certainabout that, and she didn't recall if
Ralph ever wore footwear like the bootsfound in the Jane Doo's grave either,
nor did she recall him walking witha limp causing uneven wear on the sole
of one of those shoes. Buta tiny thread does provide a loose connection
between the boots and Ralph. WhenRalph and Bonnie went shopping on September first,

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one of the places they went wasa store called Javvy Bootery. We
didn't pay much attention to this detailwhen we first read about it in the
police reports, but during our researchwe came across a few articles written about
this locally owned chain of stores.The first Javvy store opened as a specialty
shop for prescription and orthopedic shoes.By the mid nineteen seventies, the store

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had added fashioned footwear to its stock, but its bread and butter was still
what we had now call comfort shoes. We believe that the ankle high boots
the Jane Dooe was wearing when shewas found looked like a pair of desert
Chucka boots, which were originally designedin nineteen fifty by Clarks. If you're
not familiar with the Clark's brand,it's known for crafting shoes that are designed

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for comfort. The classic desert bootis iconic for the brand. It's a
very interesting coincidence that Ralph was shoppingat a store that sold similar footwear to
what the finlaycrete Jane Doe was wearing, and he made a purchase there on
the same day Patty vanished. AliceMills told us that Patty usually wore tennis

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shoes, and she assumed that shewas wearing them when she vanished. But
what if Patty wasn't wearing shoes whenRalph got home, If she had been
home for more than a few minutesbefore Ralph walked in and they started fighting,
it's plausible that she had already takenoff her shoes. Remember it was

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fairly late at night. If Ralphkilled her that night and waited to dispose
of her body, it may nothave occurred to Ralph until he got to
the burial site that he had aproblem. If her body was ever discovered,
his lie about her leaving in themiddle of the night wouldn't make sense.
If she was barefooted, she wouldn'thave walked out without shoes, especially

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if she never planned to return.In that case, it might make sense
to take off his own shoes,maybe a pair he bought for himself at
Javy Boottery, and put them onher feet. That might explain why he
was wandering around his own yard whilewearing insulated coveralls but no shoes on September

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fifth, nineteen seventy six, Ifyou recall, that's when his brother stopped
by his house and found Ralph dressedbizarrely and in a stupor. We know
it's a stretch, but what ifwe have good reason to hope that we'll
soon have more than theories and looseconnections to tie these cases together. At

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least two of the people actively involvedin the Finlay Creek Jandoe Task Force have
played a significant role in getting othercases solved. Anthony Redgray developed the composite

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sketch of the Jane Doe that firstcaught Suzanne's attention last year. He also
created a rendering of a man whoseskull was found in an agricultural field in
nineteen eighty three. This is Anthonytalking so the case that we just closed
out at the end of last year, Bill Lewis, who was previously an

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unidentified victim of Larry Eiler. LarryEiler is believed to have murdered at least
twenty one young men between nineteen eightytwo and nineteen eighty four. He had
a really awful forensic image prior tothe one that the one that I did

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because it was based on if I'mremembering this directly, it was based on
the description that Larry Eiler gave toa status artist. It wasn't based on
the remains because the skull was actuallyreally damaged when they recovered it because it
was an an agricultural field. Um, this is the second time I've done
a reconstruction image off of somebody whoseremains were damaged in an agricultural field,

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and so I was pretty comfortable takingthat taking that on. So what happened
was the entire midface was was damaged, and I worked with my anthropology consultants
to infer the features that should havebeen there, and you know, the
whole time we were working on thegenealogy of the case, I was like,

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you know, I feel like,I feel really confident that this is
really good art, but you know, there was so much that was missing,
and I really trust my anthropology consultants, but how can I be sure
that this is one percent like orneeding even ninety percent you know close?
And we ended up getting really alarminglyclose to what he actually looked like.

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And I'll send you our case stageon that one, because we have the
forensic art and a photo of himside by side, and honestly, it
was in really the remainder are inreally rough shape. But I think that
so far, that's been the closestI've gotten with a reconstruction image. DNA
analysis confirmed that the man Anthony's artwork closely resembled was indeed Bill Lewis.

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Jason Fudge, one of the FinlayCreek Task Force leaders, also investigated a
John Doe case before taking on theFinlay Creek mystery. His research, including
interviews with law enforcement, helped themidentify a man who had been brutally murdered
in Florida. Here's Jason, andwhat I hear not law enforcement one,

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but when I hear from the familymembers themselves that I was pretty much responsible
for at least getting their brother identified. I I feel good about it,
and I feel like I have contributedsomething to this field. The Findlay Creek

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Jainedoe Task Force and a team ofadvocates for Patty Otto, including her daughter
Suzanne and Suzanne's cousin Jennifer Harrington,have been working relentlessly to get authorities to
take another look at the two cases. The group has been talking with Department
of Justice representatives and has gotten helpfrom a forensic odentologist to reevaluate X rays

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of Patti Auto and compare them tothe Jain Doe. They believe a match
should have never been ruled out.Here's Melinda Jetterberg. That's kind of what
we're looking at right now. It'slike, prove it isn't her, because
they can't, then they can't.So far, they have not been able
to do it, so before theycould get help from a tooth expert,

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they needed additional copies of Pattiotto's dentolX rays to provide. Lewis and Police
and an odentologist. Jennifer went ona mission to find a dental office that
still had a machine to duplicate film, and I finally found somebody that could
do it. It was a longprocess, but I ended up at doctor

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doctor Earls, the one who tookthe original panel. Doctor Shepherd purchased his
practice. I popped in there andhad a great conversation with him. He
said that they were fully digital now, but he has sold his duplicator to
another doctor in town, doctor Wilson. So you might give doctor Wilson's office
to call and see if they stillhave it. They were closed then,
so I continued doing my search throughthe evening. That's Jennifer Harrington talking.

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You'll hear what sounds like a lotof static as she continues talking. We
recorded this conversation in the woods ofOregon, and bugs were interfering with our
audio. Really nice lady named Tamaraanswers the phone. No, we're all
digital, we don't have a duplicator, and so I start just kind of
explaining this is for a missing personfrom the seventies, that we have this
one copy of this panel and weneed an additional one to provide the police

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department for an identification purpose. Andokay, well, wait a minute,
our office in Palmray might have one. And I never ever go through Palm
Ray. But I was coming overto Walla, Walla and I was going
to drive right through Palm Ray,and so she checked, Yes, they
have a duplicator. We can facilitatethat for you. It'll take a couple

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of days. I'm like, no, I'm driving through Palm Ray this afternoon.
I can stop. They close atthree, and my timing with a
doctor's appointment, I got there atfive minutes till three, and I got
it duplicated. So we have theduplicate from the police department. But here's
where the story gets really interesting.I'm still on the phone with Tiama.

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She's told me they can do itand everything, and she says, so,
which department are you with? Said, oh, no, I'm not
with a department. I'm a familymember of the missing person, and we,
as the family, have a copythat we need to give it to
the police department. She said,Oh, my dad was a police officer
back and around that time frame,so this kind of stuff always is interesting

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to me. And I was justabout to say something more than I was
like, well, who is yourdad? Duyne Naylor? Oh, I
was talking to Dwayne Ayler's daughter onthe phone, and she is the one
who facilitated getting that copy made forus, of all the people in the
world, And it's not an officeI would have called on my own.

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I was led there through doctor Earl, through doctor Shepherd, and Duyanne Nayler's
daughter found the duplicator for me,and I just happened to be going through
that town that afternoon. Anyway,you probably remember that Duane Ayler is the

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police captain that Ralph tried to havekilled. While we're on the subject of
Ayler, I wanted to touch onsomething else. People have asked us if
Ralph was as upset about Patty's briefrelationship with Randy Benton as it appeared,
why did he put a hit onthe police captain instead of the man Patty
had an affair with. Ralph hadtold plenty of people he wanted Randy dead

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and even carried around a gun withthat intent. In a twisted sort of
way, we can kind of understandthat Ralph wanted the satisfaction of killing Randy
himself. And sure, maybe Ralphhad a burning hatred of Aylor too,
But if so, why would hedelegate the dirty deed of killing him to
someone else. Maybe the answer isthat he didn't really care one way or

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another about Aylor. Ralph often saidthat if he had truly wanted the police
captain dead, he would have killedhim himself. Maybe Ayler was simply collateral

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damage in Ralph's mind. Look atit this way. If you truly want
investigators focused on something other than you, you need to create a diversion.
A sure fire distraction would be forone of their own to get murdered.
It's a fairly well accepted truth thatpolice officers form a brotherhood of sorts.

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If one of their brothers had beenkilled, Ralph could safely bet that most
of the department's resources would be focusedon solving that murder, not looking into
the disappearance of his wife. Ifhe orchestrated that murder, he needed to
distance himself from it as much aspossible. Ralph was making plans to leave
town when the hit was supposed totake place. He was going to take

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his daughters to Disneyland, far awayfrom Lewistown, so the murder wouldn't be
connected to him. He also choseto put a hit on someone other than
the detective most directly involved in investigatingPatty's disappearance. He picked the police captain
instead. We certainly don't know ifRalph actually put that much thought into his

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murder for Higher plot, but weknow he was a cunning man, and
if we believe that someone helped himget rid of Patty's body, maybe someone
was also providing counsel about how todeflect attention from himself. As we told
you previously, not long after Ralphwent to prison for the murder for Higher
scheme, one of his close friends, a woman we've referred to as Eve,

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shot her own husband, nearly killinghim. Suzanne shared some of the
letters Ralph wrote to Eve while hewas in prison. The letters were confiscated
by police in their search of Eve'sproperty after she shot her husband. In
the letters, it's clear that Ralphand Eve shared more than friendship. He

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was even making plans to shift custodyof his daughters to Eve. We asked
Eve's grandson if he believes his grandmothercould have been directly involved in Patty's disappearance.
I mean I know, or moreI know, or better than anybody.
I mean, I've been around her, and I've seen her attitude,
and I've felt the strangeness that sheputs off. But like I said,

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I never really thought a whole lotof it. I always thought I was
just being paranoid. Do you believeshe would kill somebody? Honestly? I
do? I mean I really do. I told Susanne that I believe with
everything in my heart and in mybrain and just everything I've I've witnessed and

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I've been around her, I believethat she did it herself, or she
definitely got rid of the body,you know what I mean. I mean,
she had something to do with this, or did it herself. There
is no other if, ander buttor any other way. We've been advised

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against contacting Eve to avoid compromising apossible police investigation. It's fairly easy for
us to suggest what seems likely,or take the little bits of information we
have and make them fit a particulartheory, but it really is just our
speculation. We truly have no wayof knowing what really happened that night,

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unless someone who saw something or hasdirect knowledge comes forward. That's what this
case really needs. Secrets are hardto keep, and someone out there knows
more than they've told authorities. Weknow that Ralph unburdened his conscience by talking
to friends about that night. Whetherwhat he said was mere hallucination or an

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actual confession, he clearly felt somelevel of guilt. And if he told
one friend something, he surely toldsomeone else even more. This is our
plea for answers. Here's tom Seleneagain. Either he did something himself or

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has somebody else helped him, andwe don't know who that is, right,
and I think the only way thatwe're going to solve this case now
is to find the body or getsomeone to talk that he talked to or
that was involved. I really regretthat that case was not solved. I

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really wanted it to be solved.There's no doubt in my mind that he
has responsibility. Typically, at thispoint in the episode, we'd give you

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a hint about what you'll hear nexttime on Still, but we won't be
doing that today because even we don'tknow what that may be. There are
a lot of moving parts in thisinvestigation right now, so we're going to
pause for a bit as exciting thingsdevelop. We'll pick up the story when

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we're in a position to fill youin on what's happening. I think it'll
be worth the way, so keepan eye out for new episodes dropping soon.

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Anyone with information pertaining to the disappearanceof Patricia Otto should contact the Lewiston
Police Department's tipline at two zero eightto nine eight nine three nine. Anyone
with information pertaining to the identity ofthe Finland Creek Jane Doe, or other
information related to that case should contactthe Union County District Attorney at DA at

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Union hyphen County dot org. Ifyou, or anyone you know is a
victim of domestic abuse, please contactthe National Domestic Violence Hotline at eight hundred
seven nine nine. Safe Still isa production of The Reporter's Notebook and Grayson
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or via email at info at theReporter's Notebook dot com. Still was researched,
written, and produced by Karen ShawAnderson. Additional research in script editing
provided by Christine Hughes. Original musicby Smith Huosso. Additional narration provided by

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Sarah Morgan. I'm your host andassociate producer Gary Anderson. Special thanks to
everyone who graciously provided interviews. Wewould specifically like to thank the advocates for
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follow us on Facebook or Twitter tojoin the conversation. Ezekiel thirty four sixteen.
I will seek the lost, andI will bring back the stray,
and I will bind up the injured, and I will strengthen the weak.