Still Not Over OceanGate

Two years later and OceanGate is still living rent-free in our heads. This week, we watch Netflix’s Titan: The OceanGate Submersible Disaster and spiral right down with it. From questionable bolts to berserk billionaires playing DIY deep-sea explorer, we break down the breakdown—literally.

TW: Anglerfish Gate (yes, that moment is back).

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hey guys, welcome back to Still Not Over it this week.
We are still not over tight in the ocean Gate submersible
disaster and what happened to it.
Now, you may be thinking, this seems like a complete 180 from
everything else we've been doing, but we're still not over

(00:22):
this and it's still like we justwatched a documentary.
So that's like, we're still engaging with media.
No, Sam said something so insightful.
They were like or she was like, she, her.
Pronouns, please. No problem.
She was like, God, what did you say?
She was like we went from Screamto John Tucker to this.

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You were like, isn't it crazy how jealousy plus negligence
creates tragedy? And I was like, theme.
It was just like, yeah, so in a way, this does tie together.
Yeah, there's negligence and all, everything, every movie
we've watched, there's been extreme negligence.

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And this the the ocean gate thing is a truly a study and
like pure, pure negligence. Serious, I didn't mean to
interrupt just in case any of you were like wow, random,
totally intentional and not. Random, but like we watched this
and we were like, OK, well I'm never gonna get over this.

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I mean I was never really over it ever since it happened, you
know, like that was crazy and the we all watched it.
I think there's like, and I feellike this is background because
like everyone sat and watched this shit like having a having a
countdown to like people's deathis crazy.

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Like the fact that we like CNNI think had like that little thing
in the corner, like of like, like it was the stock market
just like a little. Bar who's president?
Like, we're gonna have The Hunger Games.
They were like. They were like this much time
till oxygen runs out. Like.
Literally imagine there's a countdown for your death.
Like that's crazy. Like just a reminder guys, case

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you forget these guys die in five hours if we don't find
them. Literally.
But then it was like, and also, everyone's gonna find them.
We're not close. We haven't.
We've no, there's no hope. We are counting down like this
is the Super Bowl for some reason.
So hopefully they're not your loved ones.
Yeah, Can you imagine your family's?
You're looking for your family. And anyways, I guess you got to

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get into it. The Peter, not Peter Stockton.
What's his name? Stockton.
Rush Stockton. Rush Stockton sounds like a last
name. So at first, I like Sam and I
were like, what should we do this week?
And she was like, well, what areyou not?
And I was like, dude, do you remember when all those people
died? That's what I said.

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So And then she was like, Oh my gosh, like, you know what's on
Netflix? There's the new documentary
about the ocean gate implosion. So we watched it and it was
really good, but I had no idea what it was about.
And so I feel like I learned so much.
Like Sam may have known like more of this information than

(03:17):
me. Not particularly.
I mean, I also, I figured out the like, I literally thought
they went, you know what I mean?I'm trying to.
Say this a lot of it's really delicate, but.
I'm trying to say this in the most sensitive way I can.
I thought that they literally just like went poop and like

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disintegrated completely. I just found out today when I
was looking at the Wikipedia page that like.
In fact they did find like a bigchunk of it, which I was.
Saw a lot of people said that they were like they probably
exploded immediately everyone acted like.
They went literally poof and we're gone.
There's no debris. Like everything was like I was.
So I was picturing like completeobliteration.

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And then apparently they're like, in fact sounds.
Kind of nice, right? Right.
But. Now I'm looking and there's
actual wreckage. I'm like, that could have been
someone like that is scary and sad.
Yeah, scary and sad, but. It was like dark, like Twitter,
Like imagine you're in this tinyspace alone with these like
strict. And I was like, who's writing

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this, putting it on Twitter? And then other people were like
counteracting it by saying like,no, scientifically, like if they
did run out of air, they probably exploded very quickly
and poofed, you know what I mean?
And so it was like anti. It's just not.
It's just a lot of, it was just a lot of media.

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I'm not laughing. About the tragedy, I do want to
take a moment to say that. Like we're not.
Trying to be indelicate. I want to say that this is
absolutely a tragedy. We're sorry for all the lives
lost, especially the young. Peace to all the souls.
Yeah, and the young boy especially, like.
Especially him. Yeah, that part's not funny.
It's not funny, but what the waythe world, the way the world

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handled it was absolutely insane, like.
Why should be ashamed of this? I.
Feel like I'm just like still. I'm still not.
I'm still not over how unseriously the whole world took
this. Like not one person had an ounce
of genuine concern. Like no exact people died, no

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exaggeration in the whole world.Was like, like everyone was
like, Can you believe that missing submarine?
Like, like, isn't that crazy? It was like, you could literally
be like at work firing someone and be like, man, could you
believe? People were talking about it
like it was literally the Super,the count like a Super Bowl
countdown, like like a like a countdown to the Nick at Night

(05:47):
award people probably. Were betting on it like I'm sure
they. Were.
Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. But silly country, very.
So anyways, turns out there was debris found, like big chunks of
it. I'm looking at a picture of like
half of it right now. But I guess we should got to
introduce. I feel like the people on board
like that, they none of them were at fault.

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So we'll just like, briefly go over who died, right?
Yeah, I guess It was a billionaire businessman, last
name Dawood and his son Hamish Harding.
Oh, wait, no, Hamish Harding is the British businessman.
Dawood is a Pakistani British businessman.
And it was his son who died. And then Paul Henry, I'm not

(06:31):
even going to try to pronounce it, who was like a Titanic,
French, French Titanic expert. And then of course, Stockton
Rush, who is the reason why we're talking about this right
now, because it is all undoubtedly his fault.

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So from the top, Ocean Gate started as me like just go.
Ocean Gate started as like. The first guy you meet, is this
like super European? I think he's Scottish.
Oh yeah, they walk you through I, I think it was.
You meet this like the guy that let go.
You meet the whistleblowers first.

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And I think that like that was areally, it's like a really
interesting way to start it because like, I like, I really
starts with like the people who are like have to carry the guilt
of this situation for the rest of their lives.
So they, they open with like thewhistleblowers and turns out
there's a ton of whistleblowers in that people knew that this

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was like going to happen inevitably for years, right?
Like 8. It's eight years, 10 years.
Like I also personally think naming anything something gate
like you're begging for a scandal.
Like it's like, didn't we learn from Watergate?
Like someone didn't show up to my birthday one year called that
birthday gate. Like, you know.
Absolutely, absolutely. Calendar date, yeah.

(07:59):
You. Know it's bad like it's not like
the name for something fresh andinnovative like yeah it's it's
like the name for like yeah. Also also his mom naming him
Stockton Rush. She was naming a cartoon villain
like that's. Crazy, crazy.
If your name's Stockton, that's fine.
Cool name but but Stockton Rush sounds like a literally like a

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Marvel villain. So I also thought it was very
funny before we get into like the fact that like, everyone
already knew this was going to happen when they found it
finally after four days in Newfoundland, everyone was like,
oh, jurisdiction. Like who's going to sue?
Who gets to sue who over? Like like immediately all these

(08:45):
forces were like, this is a jurisdiction issue and like
who's going to take lead? All the maritime lawyers.
Because maritime law is. Very they were like I was born
for this moment. Thank you.
Like it's been really maritime law has been real boring since
the slave trade. But now that that finally
something like, finally something exciting.

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They've been waiting for this moment.
And this is your reminder that maritime law and jurisdiction
law all exist because of transatlantic slave slave trade.
And not so not to go to not to make, not to be woke.
And I this is not a woke moment.It's just a little history
tidbit. It's OK.
It's not woke. I'm just saying the reason why
that they cared about jurisdiction in open waters was

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because of the slave trade and slave ships.
And they needed to know whose was whose.
That's all I'm going to say. All right.
That's the woke minute of the woke minute of the pot over
anyway. So it become it becomes a
question of jurisdiction. Right.
And you just, you see them like talking about it in almost kind
of like an unctuous, unctuous way where it's like, who is
going to have the opportunity, Iguess, to like, you know, bring

(09:56):
someone down, bring them to justice.
And it's like, what they don't know yet is that it's like one
guy and that he's at the bottom of the ocean and that you've
just pulled like, yeah. Pulled like the tragedy, like
the tragedy of it is not just what happened, it is like the
fact that it was preventable. And I feel like like the worst

(10:18):
tragedies in the Greek sense of it all are like the ones that
like so many people saw coming and knew exactly how it was
going to end. But like due to like a man's
ego, these people died purely based on one dude's ego, no
other reason. And I think that is like also
wild anyway, so. It's really cool cuz you have Oh

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anyways, go ahead. Yeah, like what you're saying,
like the Titans assemble, like the US, Britain, Canada, Wasn't
it the Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Because remember they have that thing with, I don't think it's
Ontario. Canada's involves, remember
there's like a port and they're like falsely accused, oops,
falsely accused of signing off on some kind of shipping or
testing location. It's in the paperwork that's

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like forged. Canada's like name dropped.
Oh, Canada. Oh, Canada.
Shout out Canada, we stand on guard for thee, am I right?
And also I just feel like why ismy cousin calling me?
I'm just going to. Go.
OK, no respect for the Bob. But I will say that like it is

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crazy to me, sorry, you can get into that rescue operation of it
all because the the Teen Titans a symbol and everyone gets
together to like try to find this because, you know, so that
also, I feel like causes a slight delay is people being
like, wait, whose responsibilityis this?
So we find out Stockton, they'reall talking about like for the

(11:50):
rescue. First of all, everyone is trying
to rescue them. They're like, Oh my God, every
single person in the world, likethe Coast Guard.
It's just it's first of all, a lot of people, they talk about
this in they like kind of defendlike, so why was it so hard to
find this like submarine? They do.

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Obviously you guys should just watch the documentary because
I'm going to butcher it. But they're like, it's very
murky down there. I know that there's an Ocean
Gate expert listening to this that's probably like, stupid
girl. It's been like screaming this
whole time, like wrong, wrong, wrong.
Yeah, it's perky. So we never.
Claim to be oceanographers like hey.

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It's already down there. And so it's like, you know, it's
easy to get caught even in the thing like Stockton.
This is like about halfway through the documentary.
Stockton gets into a huge fight with the first whistleblower
before he's let go because Stockton during one of the test
episodes, he honestly, he's justkind of grandstanding and wants

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to, you know, kind of flex his muscles in front of a group of
investors. So he opts to pilot the the
vessel in front of all these people.
When he's not, he's not the pilot this this whistleblower.
They talk about his resume and his record, but he is like a
decorated Navy pilot, you know, has been a pilot of all these

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like various, you know, Marine vessels and submarines and
things like that, like Navy warships and warheads and blah,
blah, blah. Basically he's able to and
experience with all these different kinds of like Marine
things. And so he's able to kind of
maneuver the summering out of this really tricky situation

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that Stockton gets them stuck in, in the wreckage just really
because of his pride. What these people paid to do was
go down and look at the wreckagefrom like a few feet away.
And what Stockton does is get the write up in it and like
wedged up under it. And the guy warns him, like,
stop, stop. And you can't get this close.
And Stockton's like, oh, I know what I'm doing.

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It's my boat. It's my.
Summary mind you, like prior to this people no one had gone down
to the Titanic site and like howlong it'd been like.
Years, there was like one other guy who did it out of a
different country who like ran his own operation and had been
running it, but nobody else had been visiting the Titanic.
And this, this really made me think about the Titanic of it

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all. First of all, the fact that
Newfoundland's just like right up there.
Like, I don't know why I pictured it just being so much
further away. It's like quite close to the
East Coast. I will.
I mean, it is on the East Coast,but like it's, you know, it's
like not that far from here. I mean relatively anyways.
You could visit. You could visit like it wouldn't
be a long flight. I just also like, I don't know

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why I didn't. First of all, I I hadn't really
thought about like the Titanic site.
I really did. Leave it alone.
I really did feel like the Titanic site was some something
people visited regularly. I was wrong about that.
I also did not realize how deep down the Titanic had sunk.
I'd like did it. Like didn't compute to me.

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But it's way way way way way down there.
Way down there. There's so many boats that have
sunk, just go visit another sunken boat.
Also the Titanic of it all. It's like, didn't we learn from
the Titanic that like being overly ambitious in water
sometimes isn't the best idea? It's like it's gonna get you

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again. And it did.
And it did like. Perhaps those waters are cursed
down there, I don't know. Like it's making you guys look
fucking stupid. Like it really is.
It's making you guys look like there was this interview with
this woman, and I can't recall her exact job title, but she

(15:45):
worked closely with Stockton. And he used this phrase all the
time that he thought Elon Musk was a big swinging Dick and he
wanted to be a big swinging Dick, too.
And I just really appreciated her interview because I thought
her language was so colorful. And it just, it taught me so
much about, you know, who he must have been like to work
with. And yeah, I I could tell

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instantly I wouldn't have liked.Yeah, that the level of ego that
like I feel like most people like don't ever come in contact
with like the way that like not only does like being extremely
wealthy, like morph people senseof self, but also like the the
ego that like comes with like that sort of success and then

(16:29):
unchecked ego. Because I'm not saying like all
obviously not, but like, like completely unchecked and unlike,
you know, he needed someone. He needed a sibling to be like,
yo, hey, loser. Yeah, sometimes you need like a
So what you needed. This guy needed a younger
brother bad. I mean, he might have one, but
he wasn't doing his job. Like someone needed someone

(16:52):
needed to be dissing that dude. Do you remember he gets out of
that his submarine during his test?
Can we talk about? The PlayStation he says about
like Neil Armstrong or something.
Can we talk about the PlayStation controller of it
all? Should we like get into like?
The way I knew we were cooks when we saw that.

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Like when I heard on the I neverforget when I heard on the news
that a game console controller is the video is what he used to
like control the. I hope this has been loud
enough. Anyways, when I found out that
he was using a gaming console controller to control the

(17:35):
submarine, I was like OK like a.PlayStation.
It gets. It gets to a point.
To I was like. It gets to a point.
Come on bro. Like that is crazy.
Like I try like imagine someone being like all right, trust me
with your life. And anyways, this is what I used
to do. Without like the switch control

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like be serious. Can you imagine?
So I mean like, don't worry I got you bro.
And they whip out like a weed controller.
There's like, also there's like a part in the dock when they're
like, you know, they hired all these young people fresh out of
university and it's like these 24 year olds, they're like,
yeah, the idea that someone's going down in a submarine that
we did all the math for and it'slike, I've now been 24.

(18:24):
That's crazy. That's.
Crazy I didn't know fucking shitthis is pre ChatGPT too OK Like
these were just. I personally don't support
ChatGPT however that's crazy. We're on opposite sides but like
I. Don't care.
I don't care about ChatGPT. I mean she's like she's coming

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for us also, it's a resource option.
Yeah, she's coming for us all someday, but I'm just like,
these are just straight up. Interns, kids, you had kids out
of college. Like I'm we're barely older than
that. Like if you told us like, even
with degrees in the right field,like if you told us like.
If you asked me to be responsible people's.

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Lives are going to be on the line in your field.
It's like, shouldn't you have a couple PhDs on this?
Can we have? Some people that are experts.
I feel like we need, like, what?I don't know naval engineers
and. They were.
The kids are in the video. They're so excited.
They're like this is going to rock, like they don't have any
idea at all that someones going to die in a couple of months.

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Also just like from the beginning, like from testing,
like in the beginning he asks people to ignore like the like
from the jump when the sensors go off, he's like ignore that.
He's like, don't. It's kind of like when you have
a shitty old car and it says like.
It's like your. Bag doesn't work and you're like
don't worry about that. You're like, listen, I know.

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Oh, is it? Does it work though?
And you're like, no, but it. You know your car, I've been
there. Duct tapes door and you're like
listen like it'll get you where you need.
My first car. It's one thing to take a take a
hoopty car down the block. It's another thing to take a
hoopty submersible down, down under anyways.

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So from the beginning they're like, he really sets them up for
like, I feel like also what happened is like he stopped from
the beginning. He is like, all right, there's
going to be there's going to be red flags every step of this
way. And we are going to ignore them.
You are going to ignore them. You are and.
If you don't, you're fucking fired.
Yeah, there's this new Wes Anderson movie out and like one

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of the things is like the main guy, like he's always in plane
crashes and like they'll be likebombs on the plane and he'll be
like, I'm not worried right now.Like I'm not worried.
And like this remind reminded meso much as locked in rush.
Like the well, I'm not worried yet.
I'm. Not worried yet.
I will be, but I'm not yet. Yeah, I don't know if Stockton
Rush ever truly worried, do you?I think that like his ego was

(20:58):
literally so big that like he didn't have like the because you
have to have like a little bit of hubris.
He literally said like no submarine is going down, not
with me on it. And like that's like one of the
last clips they play or something like that.
He also said accessibility is ownership.

(21:19):
Like what the fuck? He's like, if there's an island
and you can't afford it but you can get to it and you're the
only guy who can get to it, that's your island.
And it's like, no. The whole time.
No, that's like if you have a vacation home in New, or if
there's a home in New York and that's someone else's vacation
home, but they're not there ninemonths of the year, that's your
home nine months of the year. And it's like, that's not like

(21:42):
that's not how the law works. So I'm just, I think he was kind
of a crazy person. I mean, one thing I love to
like, imagine is that like therewas a tiny Shelby.
I was like the whole time we were watching it, I was like, I
know that there are naval officers that are captains of
submarines that have a group chat that are watching this and

(22:03):
are texting each other. Like, Can you believe this shit?
Like, submarines aren't new. I'm going to say it, submarines,
they've been around a while, OK,We kind of got the science of a
good submarine down pat. So like the fact that like,
because this man was like so above everyone else that he like
didn't seek out the resources that do exist to make a safe

(22:26):
submersible is crazy to me. Like, I just know that there's
like a submarine cap. We need a sub.
We need them on the pod. OK, If you're a submarine
captain and you're listening to this and.
You're out there. Come join us.
OK? Retired current training.
I don't care because I know a submarine captain watched this

(22:47):
shit and was like there is no way.
There is no way they took this down.
Yeah, I don't know what I was talking about, but I wrote all
caps bro, take off the watch. So I guess he was wearing a
really obnoxious watch that he wouldn't take off.

(23:08):
Didn't rush, but yeah, there were tons of whistleblowers,
like, all right, what happened next chronologically?
Well, we know what happens. Do you know one of the?
One of the they're talking abouttaking because there's a few
there's like 3 or 4 different tests They introduced this
carbon fiber. The carbon fiber is really the

(23:31):
issue. They kind of wrap the part of
the thing, part of the submarinein this lightweight carbon fiber
because then you could have an entire fleet of subways.
Part of the issue with the submarine is that they're so
heavy. And so it's not just the
submarine, it's, you know, the mechanical machine that you need
to lift the submarine in the transportation.

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So not only do you have to have the submarine, sorry, but also
you need a crane to lift it on. And so it takes a lot of space
and a lot of weight on your cruise.
And so the thing Stockton is promising all these businesses
is a fleet of submarines. And this carbon is the key to
that because it's so lightweight, however.
Sorry, you continue. No, no, that was it.
I was just going to say, however.

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And if you're not familiar with carbon fiber because you're not
like a big car person, like carbon fiber is like famous for
being strong, but also light. So like for instance, Formula
One cars, which are like really fast and like obviously you know
what a formula look at yours, yours.
Wait, are you frozen? Show me.
No, I'm smiling because you saidFormula One.
Cars. I'm obsessed with Formula One.

(24:36):
It it relates OK, I'm just work it in.
I'm one thing about me is I'm working in for I.
Get scared. Yeah, I had like the smile.
You smiled so hard it scared me but like it's.
Just said what the? Hell, it's carbon reinforced
polymers that are all put together and, and they're it's
really, really strong, but. It's really, if you ever heard

(24:58):
it pop like we hear it like in cars, like we hear it and
actually answer that when you'redone answering this.
Actually don't know. I mean, I can't even.
Because it's like, obviously it's not supposed to.
Yeah, also carbon fiber is not in like your regular regular car
is not going to have carbon fiber.
Like you're like they're like luxury really, really luxurious
cars will have it like a little bit of it.

(25:18):
That's wild. But like, because it's so it's
super, super expensive anyways, the fact that he was like.
Is there a lot of it? Like, yeah, wrap around the
whole yeah. He had a lot of faith in that
carbon fiber. Yeah.
And it's not like, it's not really like it works really well
until he gets to like, I can't remember the depths.

(25:39):
But it's like a math thing. Like the reason why carbon fiber
so strong is like some some likemath shit that I can't even get
into. I don't because I don't know
any. I don't know but like.
These like, not for nothing, these people are like really
smart and like that's something everyone says is like that's
part of the reason why Stockton Hall was such a jerk is because
he was really, really intelligent and he knew it.

(25:59):
And guess what? Said the G word.
They were like he was a genius. He was a Dick about it, you
know. Then he constructs, so he
constructs it with titanium. For titanium I feel like is
probably what the military uses to make theirs right.
And it's a relatively lightweight.
Probably perhaps standard practice, but he wanted to be an
innovator, OK, Also like get into adventurous things can into

(26:26):
it. And I know there's going to be
someone listening. It's going to be like, well, you
know, the US Army actually also uses PlayStation Control, like,
because apparently the Navy. Apparently is a standard
practice. Yeah, they're like, well, the
Navy, actually, the Navy does use Xbox 360 controllers.
It's like, OK, the issue isn't that.
The issue is that Stockton Rush isn't a naval officer.

(26:48):
I cannot emphasize that enough. OK, I think training.
I wouldn't mind an Xbox 360 controller in the hand of a
naval officer who's trained to do it.
We're talking about like some atthis.
Point in time he's fired everybody with any military
experience has years ago. Yep, fired his right hand man.
Fired that guy I. Can't express how much?

(27:10):
He's basically winging it, you know?
At this point, he's like, all myeggs are in this basket.
Like this has to work. This has to work.
Can we talk about the influencerwho gets I don't know his name,
but an. Influencer there's a test run
like before you know ocean gate to see like to get even deeper

(27:35):
and one thing that ocean gate does to really blur the lines.
I wrote this down. I wrote it's all in the waiver
because one of the things the whistleblower says, a
whistleblower says is like, theyreally can't believe how much
it's spelled out in the waiver that like you could totally die.
And that's sort of all on you. And they everybody signs it and

(27:57):
everybody goes down there. So they have like a test run to
see if it'll go down to like, let's just say 32,000 feet.
So he not to interrupt you again.
I do want I thought we didn't touch about the fact that he
like lied about like he like said what Boeing some other
fancy. Yeah.
He lied and said that like all these companies, he was like

(28:19):
these Boeing, they like Nick dropped all these big companies
and like after the fact Boeing for one was like, no, what, what
like. No, we have.
We're literally have not. They're like, we're not really,
we're not really in the businessof we're like big people bought
our materials. Like they're like, we're not
really in the business of submersibles for tourism.
It's not really our thing. We're kind of good with what we

(28:41):
got. We do like.
Honestly, we have our own problems so like.
I don't know if you've heard about us, but like.
We don't. We're a little booked right now.
We're not gonna lie. We're kind of we're, we're in
court this. Week we were too busy.
There's no way we were involved in this.
We haven't really had time to make any new deals.
No new deals. So like basically like all the
laboratories that he claimed hadbeen integral to building this,

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We're like, no, we weren't. Like, no, we.
Weren't we don't have any permission to make new.
Yeah. So he was like, they were this
was a bootleg submersible. OK.
He was. This is a like.
You see them wrapping the coils around it and the guys like
there's spaces. You can't be doing that like he
says, like the whistleblower says, like I was with the head
of engineering, like every single day.

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And honestly, the ironic part isthese two men are like, so
passionate, like about the project, they love it.
They want this to work. They're like arguing with each
other, like butting heads and atthe end of everything Stockton
like started to spoil it like fires them both like that's what
they. Both get all the whistleblowers
he let's go and one of them quit.

(29:47):
They don't. Whistleblow at the same time,
like one whistle blows years later.
And the main girl, one of them quit before and she talks about
how, like when it happened, she's like, yeah, This is why I
quit because like, I knew this was going to happen.
Like This is why I like, I had to quit.
Like I couldn't do this anymore.I knew that.
Like it was janky. Yeah, I knew.

(30:08):
I saw the writing on the wall. Yeah.
Good for her. But imagine the guilt like she
has to carry for the rest of herlife.
Like that's crazy. Oh my God, I can't even.
It's like. But anyways, it just, it wasn't,
it wasn't up, let's just say it was not up to like the standards

(30:31):
it should have been at, obviously.
I also want to say the ocean gate merch is beyond tacky.
Every time you see Stockton he'swearing like a button up that
says ocean gate on it. Like clearly all of his stuff is
like sent out. Like this man has so much money.
They also tell you about his background.

(30:52):
He's from generational wealth. Like he and his wife both have
had their their ancestors ancestral line lineage traced
back to two different sides of two people or two of the two

(31:12):
founders of two signers of the Declaration of Independence.
Do you remember this? No, but it sounds about white
like check my text out like OK. Don't you remember this?
They were like, that's how just like basically they were just
illustrating. That they were like the
nepotism. He married a woman of great
privilege and he too came from avery privileged background.

(31:34):
Always, always blame Neppo babies. 100% if something goes.
Wrong. I bet you if you dig deep
there's a neppo baby at the bottom.
So if anyones like Oh my God howdid he get all this money to
like fuck around with submarine all day?
Like he and his wife had money coming out of their butt holes
for life. Like yeah, no problem.
And so the ocean gate merged, completely unnecessary.
So one of the things that they did once they got on the

(31:56):
submarine and everyone signed the waiver is they were like, we
don't have any passengers. Like you can't sue us.
You're not a passenger, you're acrew member, you're a mission
specialist, you're a copilot, you're this and you're that.
And so, you know, when you thinkabout that for all the people
who survived, like that's reallycool.

(32:16):
When you think about that for all the people who died, it's
like, so you taught these peoplehow to like read the boat and
like you made sure they knew that they were going to die and
then let them die. You were like, so it looks like
this when you're going to die. We have to get into the cracks
of it all because the literal, the this is when like the the

(32:39):
cracking of it all was when I like when I was watching the
documentary that like I really hit me.
I was like, like, that was the moment when I was like, Oh my
God, like, Oh my God. Like they were like they had.
He had people down in the ocean in a submarine that was
literally cracking. Cracking, they told people they

(33:01):
called it bolting people in likehonestly during the test when
they were like when they popping.
One thing about me is when I sawthat woman come in to bolt me in
and she drops one of the bolts and it's like no problem.
I would have been like, I gotta go.
She drops the bolt. She drops the.
Bolt and she's like, no big deal.

(33:21):
I would have been like. Like I would have like wait wait
wait wait wait, wait, wait, wait.
Like it's like a flight attendant closing the plane door
and like missing a bit. Something falls off and she's
like, sorry, it's fine. Wait, Wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait. I'm sure this won't affect
pressurization at all. I would have been like, wait,
wait, wait. I don't actually think we should
do do this. That's your sign.

(33:43):
Like that's your. And they call it, they call the
cracking, the straight up cracking an acoustic event
because it's so loud that like Ithink the Coast Guard hears it
like the this shit is cracking so loud that it is like bouncing
off the ocean Like it is that fucked up like.
It's like. So crazy.

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You can't hear anything. And so you find out that what's
cracking is the carbon fiber is literally like cracking apart.
So this carbon fiber that he putin that he was thought it was so
strong, it's going to keep it submersible.
It was literally delaminating just like cracked.
And so after that happened, thatis when like all of this was

(34:27):
negligent. But like him continuing to do it
after that acoustic cracking event was like the one of the
most negligent things like we have ever witnessed together as
a society. Watching this like the
negligence was crazy. He knew it was cracking.
He heard it cracking. Everyone was like you are taking

(34:47):
something that is cracking down to the bottom of the ocean.
You cannot do this. And so Despite that, he still
continued to use this as dice. Also, like, I think one of my
favorite things is like, I thinka lot of like the experts were
like, you know what? Maybe commercial deep sea diving
in submarines is it shouldn't bea thing.

(35:09):
Maybe people don't need this. You know what?
I. Mean I'm not going to lie and I
know a lot of people go to Antarctica and it's like a
touristy thing now sometimes I see people in Antarctica and I'm
like sure that we should be there like are we sure we need
cruises of people in Antarctica right now that's.
How I feel when I see people on like African safaris, like maybe

(35:30):
getting mauled by lions, I'm like.
You know, yeah. You.
Are you're on the Prairie? I was watching, there's this
video of this like Penguin literally waiting in line
between behind two people who are like, I think it's in
Antarctica taking a picture and he's like waiting his turn
behind them. I was like, what are you doing
in Antarctica? Why are you?

(35:50):
Why are you holding this man up?Why are you holding this Penguin
up in his own home? He's got things to do.
People to see. He's on his.
Way he's got songs to sing he's got.
Fish and cats he has. Tap dancing to do as they do.
I got a fucking family, you know?
Yeah. Like it's just like we gotta
stay in our. Life, I think that humans really

(36:12):
need to think hard about where putting ourselves in places
we're not supposed to be. And you know, like those people
who got stuck up in space for like 6 months was it?
God, that's so funny. It's like.
It's not funny and thank God they're alive, but like that is
like humans got to stop one thing about.
You know what? Like what were you guys doing?
We got. We got to stop getting stuck.
Places you ran out of all the stuff to do on Earth?

(36:36):
Really. I just like what are we doing in
places that aren't compatible for human life and why, you
know, why are we? So perhaps we're perhaps this is
a great exercise and us being too exploratory and that's
another thing. Cotton candy ice cream.
That's the kind of space. That's another thing I said to
Shelby. I was like, you know what,

(36:56):
Shelby? Sometimes I thank God that I do
not have an adventurous bone in this body.
Not one of my bones. Of all the bones I have not one.
Not a pinky, not a pinky toe. I don't have a single do not
have a single adventurous bone in this body.
And also does not cave to peer pressure.
I know I've tried. And you know what, Thank you,

(37:17):
Shelby. I'm so honored.
Thanks. That is.
I've tried. I'm like, no, let's do.
And you're like, no. Sorry.
No, it's. Cool, one thing about me is I
will ruin the mood because I don't want to do something.
Amazing. But it's like, I love that.
But so, yeah, I would just, there's so many, there's so many
situations that like I just wouldn't be in.

(37:38):
Like our like our our friend likes to watch like cave diving
videos and I see those people dothat.
And I'm like, there's just no way I would be in that
situation. No, there's just no way you
couldn't pay me to go swimming down a little hole in hopes of
like seeing stuff. I don't even know what the end

(38:00):
goal is. Like I just, there's so much
that I would never do and like cave diving, going to space.
I say this like I have the opportunity.
No, and you will one day. I mean, if Katy Perry can do it,
like, who's to say I can't? All you have to do is start A1
sided James Cameron beef on camera like that.

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Oh yeah, we didn't talk about the James Cameron because if you
guys. Don't know the one sided James
Cameron beef. Does James Cameron, if you
didn't know, is a prolific like this is kind of a thing.
He's like a big submersible guy and like goes and looks around
like. Nature he's in like a lot of I
feel like if anybody watches like Disney nature or listens.
He spends all the money he's made on going down under a. 100%

(38:43):
Like if you look at who the narrator is, it's often like
James Cameron and he's involved in the production.
He love it down there, OK? He love it down there.
So yeah. Like he comes out of the
submersible and he's like, I think that beats James Cameron's
record. It's like James Cameron doesn't
know who you. I mean, it knows who you are

(39:03):
now. It's like the 50 Cent thing.
He's like, what you say fuck me for?
Like you probably found out who you were.
James Cameron blew up. That's no James.
Cameron probably found out when he watched this documentary.
He's like, I had no clue. You probably it's like I read a
tweet that was like imagine being Taylor Swift watching

(39:24):
Jimmy and Georgia thinking like this shits so good.
And then you see like that joke in Season 2 where it's like she
goes through guys like more thanTaylor Swift and it's like.
Imagine watching. Imagine trying to like enjoy pop
like a piece of popular culture.Exactly.
And so then they make a joke about you and probably it feels
like being slapped in your own. She's probably like, damn, I

(39:45):
literally can't have shit. Exactly.
I can't do it. She's like, I can't go anywhere,
I can't watch anything and. She was seated before that like.
God, that's kind of heartbreaking.
I know. But yeah, no, James Cameron was
probably, like me, you. Probably was like.
He's like me, the filmmaker and hobbyist.

(40:07):
What he's like what the fuck? Yeah, I know.
He's like, damn. Anyways, yeah, I was gonna
briefly get him confused with George Lucas.
I was like, did you do Avatar and Star Wars?
Like an idiot? But I know better.
Don't worry. You were like, wow, is he the

(40:27):
most prolific filmmaker of all time?
And then you were like, no, actually.
Yeah. And so he keeps, he keeps
booking it. OK.
It makes me think of like the sad horses, if you've ever been
to the Bahamas, the most like the most depressing.
Nothing depresses me more than seeing the poor sad horses that

(40:47):
have to drag the carts. Oh, I hate that.
Like underfed work. I hate it.
Oh my. That are underfed and they have
to pull these carriages of like all these tourists forcing them
to work and you just know one day they're going to collapse in
the heat of. Like and they're going to have
no. Of the strain.
So I will say the submarine was basically like these horses.

(41:09):
Yeah, no, it was. It was like basically duct taped
together like after its last like mission.
It was like after after they're back down there, they found a
crack. I.
Was about to say after crack gate after crack gate, after the
cracking they crack again. The fact that he continued to go

(41:32):
down is wild. It's later like being a scuba
diver and knowing that there might be a hole in one of your
tanks and being like, I'm going to go down anyways, or like
having you know what, or like driving a car and you know, you
have like a tire with a hole in it, but you've patched it and
you're like, I'm going to speed anyways.
Even though I know that even though I'm pretty sure this tire

(41:54):
is going to blow out inevitably,I'm going to still I'm still
going to speed in my pat with mypatch tire.
Like that was high beat he was on.
So this is from the whistleblower hammer scene.
This is perhaps my favorite partof the entire documentary.

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She didn't go down with the first crew, but it was after
they came back up and the engineer found the crack and
this is when they were putting the.
Screen on crack gate. But the crack, say crack again.
The crack. The crack of it all.
And they put the screenshots up on the screen, and Hammerstein
is texting clearly, like someoneelse who works there.

(42:37):
And they're like, Oh my God, like, how bad is it?
And she goes. It's completely gooshed.
Did she lie? No, but like G0, 0SH Ed like
that. So you're talking about the
submarine and it's going to, like, blow people up.

(42:58):
It's gooshed LMAO like talking about something that people are
going to put their lives in OK. And she said it's completely
gooshed LMAO and I'm like God it's my conic message that's so
fucking funny. Oh God.
It's so funny so. So avoidable, the fact that like

(43:19):
so many people knew, like I'm saying.
Everyone tells him like Stocktonyou can't do this and he goes
you're fired side right down. Y'all these men need to try
reverse psychology on Stockton like time after time after time.
Talk to him. Please don't for the good of

(43:39):
everyone. And he's like, you're fired.
You're right. Instead they should have been
like, yeah, you should go down there or they should have been.
They should. Have the only one.
They should have downplayed it. They should be like, yeah, it's
no big deal, you're doing this. Like who cares?
Exactly, exactly. They should have one person.
You should. They should have been like,
yeah, who cares? Like, oh, cool.

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Oh, you're going down to see theTitanic?
You think that's so cool? Good.
For you would really impress James Cameron.
Yeah, Why don't you go find a different shipwreck that not?
Oh, you're going out of the Titanic?
You think that's special? Everyone knows where the Titanic
is. Why don't you get more
adventurous and go find some? You know, that's what they
should have done. They should have gassed with
that. Oh my God, the Titanic is James

(44:24):
Cameron's thing. You should find your own thing.
And like that would like really get his and maybe.
You should find something that is.
Maybe you should find your own thing that's maybe a little less
down there. Like you said, too much has art.
Dave Cameron. Dave Cameron's got it covered.
Yeah, you should have been like,yeah, like race, Cameron.

(44:46):
You should. You should.
Have been like. Race has it covered.
You don't want you to hold that man like.
Maybe you should go like look ata coral reef or somewhere that's
like, maybe you should like, howfar?
How many miles down? I have to see it.
How many miles down is the Titanic?
Let me look it up. 7. Your fat is crazy Did.

(45:12):
I get it. I don't know.
It's no, no, tell me you were like weren't even close.
Like, and the fact that I was like, the fact that I was like,
yeah, that sounds great. Two, No, not even close.
It's 2.4 miles down. He should have.

(45:34):
Someone should have been like, why don't you go find a
shipwreck that's only a mile down?
It's only 2.4 miles down. Only only one whole mile, and
then another whole mile. 72 laps.
I've swung 72 laps before at the.
Point we all have. OK, we all have you're.
Right. I never, I don't know if I ever
how many did I used to call it aday at Shelby.

(45:56):
Like 12, sometimes 14. And I would be like, let's do
more. And you'd be like, no.
I'm cold. I want to go.
No, Shelby. I want to go immediately.
Eat the calories I just burned right now.
Now. OK.
But I did too. And I'd be like, well, we can,

(46:19):
but like, I think you'll feel better if we like do more.
And you'd be like, no. Someday we'll drop the swim cap
photos for everyone. God.
We'll be like, hey, if anybody wants us to do a cameo with our
swim cap photos? Anyways, 2 miles down, 2 1/2
miles down. So someone should have been

(46:40):
like, maybe, maybe with the tools that you've got, we should
go somewhere half a mile down like you should be like.
I think you could still sell it.I think people would be
interested in going a half a mile down.
People still. Yeah.
And you could definitely. I'm sure there's a shipwreck off
the coast of Florida that is less than.

(47:00):
A. Mile down there that you could
go see and people would pay to see, maybe that's what you
should do with the submersible. And he was like, no.
He was like, EW, half a mile. No, I'm gonna take bust.
I'm gonna take this cracking asssub submarine 2.4 miles down.
He said no one's gonna die on mywatch.

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And then? I was awesome.
Crazy first. What's also crazy, and I think
shows that he was in pure delusion about it, is that he
himself wasn't it. Yeah.
Oh yeah. The fact that yeah, I mean, he
went down with the ship 100% yeah.
We can't say he wasn't a captain.
Yeah, it's like, you know what, I'm sure he did do his best to
save everybody cuz he died too. Yeah.

(47:46):
Anyways, so yeah, then. Yeah, it's like, I think as a
nation we'll probably never get over it.
I personally will never get overit.
We didn't even realize the two year anniversary was recent
until we saw some article. Just the amount of news coverage
it got, which like it's fine. It was crazy because like
everyone was like, wait a minute, there's a submersible

(48:07):
that. There was like a countdown.
They were like they were. They had.
Like they're like, I don't want to alarm anyone, but like the
Coast Guard, like there's a, there's a they.
Officially have 48 hours left ofair.
And they're like, oh, and by theway, like we lost contact with
it hours ago, like. We're not.
We have no clue where they went.They were found in like,
Newfoundland. They're like, we're not hearing

(48:28):
anything like. They were found like nowhere
near where we expected. For a notably loud submarine as
we know, yeah. Dead silence.
God. Who was it you who said this?
Somebody was like, we know if like if a shark farts, like we
have such. Good.
It wasn't me, but it is true. We have.
Great. Sweet.
Yeah. Such excellent sonogram.

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If you're on the radar, if you're if everything's
operating. Same with the skies.
That's why people freak out whenlike planes go dark because like
you, we know where planes are and we know where like boats
are. Like that is for some reason
it's like a special interest forthis country, but like we know
where things are. So like the fact that like they
lost it, I think that's when they were like.

(49:08):
What the fuck? Like why?
Can't we get it? Not good, not good.
Because even like things like, when they like, they'll like in
their systems. Like, they'll still like, feel
like the tracking system is like, designed to be the last
thing to go. Right.
It's like there's supposed to bea little black box that's like,
OK, shit. Like we can at least still find
that. Yeah.
And so it's like we have all this technology and we couldn't

(49:32):
even locate that, you know what I mean?
It's like, that's not really good even that like the, it's
like a, it's like a relatively decent sized hunk of metal.
We have all this technology, we have all these different
entities and forces out there scouring the ocean looking for
this like block of metal. We couldn't find it.

(49:53):
And got about the loud bang of it all.
So I'm reading it, reading the Wikipedia page and it says
before the final tag, the final ping, they're like they heard,
people heard wait, hold on before this final.
So the last ping, but before this text was received, a loud
bang was heard by people monitoring the submersible on

(50:13):
the support ship. Yeah.
And then they later found out, they later find out that like
that was an imploding. Yeah.
So like imagining the people on the ship and having to like be
the support ship, you heard a loud bang and now there's it
goes dark, can't find anything. And like just know that they're
like, they're like looking for something that like.

(50:35):
You're like that. Probably wasn't.
They're probably like, I don't know how.
Oh, the girl, the main, the mainwhistleblower girl, it like
texts her friend. It's like they're never going to
find it. Like they're not going to find
them in time. They're.
She was like, I, she was like, Ifeel sick to my stomach.
Like do you see all the jokes? Yeah, she's like, there's no
way. There's no way.
She was like, I literally have no, because it's like her

(50:56):
talking to someone else who usedto work there and they're like,
you don't work anymore, right? Do you?
And it's like, no. And I just know.
Rest in peace talking afterwardsJames came afterwards James
Cameron issued a statement aboutlike what he thought happened.
God if if Stockton Rush was alive to hear that.
Can you imagine your one sided beep one sided beep at the end

(51:22):
of it? The guy who you have.
I believe he's a loser. It's like, yeah, this is what
went wrong. That's so funny, dude.
Yeah, I think this is probably how that person fucked up, but
it's like, thanks a lot. Yeah.
This is how my hero thinks I suck.

(51:44):
Yeah. That's always good to know.
So yeah, they went looking. They really went looking for
days and like they were looking for nothing.
Like they it that bang. I feel like that bang.
They should have been like like.Damn.
Well, no, I mean people I feel like the loved.
Ones would have, I also feel, yeah, yeah.
And I also do think that I'm sure there's like, I'm sure
there's like maritime law that you like have to look for

(52:05):
certain for people for a certainamount of time.
For certain rich people. Yeah, they're like, God, if it
was a regular regular dude once.You see, these people are rich.
They're like, if it was a regular, regular dude, we'd be
fine. But the fact they're like got a
couple billionaires down there. I need the Coast Guard, the
Navy. Exactly is the coast.
Guard a branch of the Navy? I don't know.
Have you seen? Pink is it?

(52:26):
It's the Coast Guard, a branch of the Navy.
Let. Me look.
I'm sure there's a naval officerlistening that's like, God,
these girls don't know a single thing.
No respect for the nation. No, no.
You know what, at this by this point, anyone with like any
actual knowledge about like submersible submarines and like
naval goings on has tuned out. They're not, no.

(52:48):
The US Coast Guard is not a branch of the.
US, that's what I. But it can be transferred to the
Navy during times of war. I remember this.
Kid by the president in the In peacetime, the Coast Guard
operates under the Department ofHomeland Security.
Checks out. I remember this kid in high
school was like, I'm going to bea Marine.
I was like, oh, cool, you're joining the Navy.

(53:09):
He's like, no, like a Marine. I was like, yeah, like the the I
was like, they're called the Marines, bro.
Marines, Marina, Marine, Marine.They were like, no.
Anyways, I hope he's well. I'm sure he learned once he got
there. Yeah, no, he was like, what?

(53:33):
That's not as fun as they made it look on the commercials.
Yeah, imagine, like being caught.
The people who had to go lookingfor them.
I'm sure that was like so stressful.
I always think about the people who are like the people in the
little scuba diving outfits thatlike go searching for bodies and
like it's their job to like go into lakes and stuff and like
look. You know, I told Sam and and she

(53:56):
doesn't want me to say this, butI was disappointed.
I really wanted the documentary to follow, like the families of
the people who were on. The only one you hear about is
Paul Henry's family at the end, right?
Cuz she's like right? No one reached out to say
anything to us like no, no. No, the French woman, they

(54:16):
asked. I don't know why they asked her
this, but they were like the French man's wife.
And I say this because she speaks entirely in French and
it's translated for us. And they asked her like, who
notified you? And she was like the United
States government, Like, that's like the only thing they asked
her, just that her husband had passed away.

(54:37):
But I wanted to see like that woman whose son and husband had
passed away on. Just like, do you think it?
Yeah. Sorry.
Just like. Oh no, just like that seems like
horrific. I want.
I doubt she's talking with media.
I, I just think that it's like so disingenuous that like,

(54:58):
because we know that the reason why they were searching is
because they heard an implosion event happening, like happened.
They knew an implosion, however they were looking for it.
The fact that they like were still this like, it was so
disingenuous that people were like counting down when their
oxygen was gonna go down like so.
They should have said like, they're probably gone, however.
Like the fact that they had likepeople watching their oxygen

(55:20):
oxygen deplete for days is crazy.
Like it was they were following it like.
So stressful unnecessarily like.I think it, that's crazy.
Like I'd be so offended if I waslike a family member and like
we're pretty sure that like yourfamily's dead and they're like
tracking it on CNN with like 5 hours left till they're all like
you're counting down. You're counting down to

(55:43):
someone's death. That is crazy.
Like so dystopian. Very.
It was probably, I hope, knock on wood, the closest we get to
like The Hunger Games, where it's like we're like watching
these people die and like, there's nothing we can do.
It's like, honestly, I felt verypowerless, which isn't like a
word I associate with being. Yeah, with like with, with, you

(56:06):
know, the 1% dying with being anAmerican citizen, Like that's,
you know, whatever side of the aisle you're on.
Yeah, if you're, if you're, you're like I, I have autonomy,
I have power. I can do something.
I will say, like I think the documentary.
Save them. We have all these resources.
Yeah, the documentary, the document, the documentary takes
on such a like serious tone. It does that like obviously was

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deliberate, but like I. Feel bad for the subway jokes.
Like I feel like they like the because I feel like when you do
a documentary on something like this, like the like it got has
to be so like if you're going toask.
The family members to appear, Yeah.
How to take this shit seriously?Yeah, it's like, how do we
inform without like sensationalizing like an

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incredible, like a huge tragedy.So but.
Can't feel like they didn't heara joke.
They did a great job. Like there's no, there's no
humor in it. Like, they're like, right?
They're like. That, but the visual aids are
good. They were like the cracking and
the creaking that they hear is all the fucking like absolute
absurdity that they need in thisbecause like it's.

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A lot of footage. Oh, sorry if you're not.
Paying attention before the second you hear it.
Like I was like laying on the couch watching it.
The second I heard the creaks I sat up.
I was like what? What do you mean?
Like what do you? That sounds bad.
I You don't have to be a naval officer or like a probably a 7

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year old could have been like I don't necessarily want to go
down in. This I don't feel comfortable.
Yeah, I don't want to get into anything.
I have to be bolted into that. Like that's just, I don't want
to be bolted into any. I guess when you go on a plane,
you're like, you are kind of bolted up in there, but you're
not like, you know, it's a door.It's a door.
You don't think about it. I will say that like air travel

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is pretty tried and true as opposed to commercial submarines
and you maybe and I think a a lot of people learned that like
maybe this shouldn't be thing definitely destroyed whatever
submersible, whatever market there was for submersible
travel. It's gone now.
It's gone now. People are like, I'm good, I'm
so good on that. Like anyone who was thinking,

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you know what? I'll look at pictures.
Yeah, anyone who was thinking about it before is no longer
interested. It's.
Fine. Maybe in like a decade.
It's cool. I'd do it if the military took
me down there. No, not even then.
Especially not then. Turns out they don't do tours.
Damn, what do you? Mean I can't like, go look
around. What do you mean I can't just
like, visit damn it? I just wish I could, I wish I

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knew a like a submarine captain cuz I just know they were
probably. Watching if you don't know 1,
you can be 10 actually, Hey, if you're they'll write in there's.
No way I'm passing the. Well, just call the local radio,
they'll play our. Podcast someone has someone has
to know someone has to know someone or someone has to know
someone that was like in the Navy enough to like work in

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intelligence with submarines, cuz I imagine like every
submarine has a hundred person, 100 people on land helping it.
Oh, OK, OK. Right, wouldn't you say?
Yeah, Oh yeah, I don't know how sub crew.
I don't know this. If anything, if this showed me
anything, it's like I really took submarines for granted, you
know? I really like didn't realize how
well. They're just like, not part of

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our lives, you know? Yeah.
And I think it's interesting that like we are.
I. Think I can pretty calmly say
we're like kind of better at going to space than we are going
down under. It's like, I think we should
just stop. I think we should just stay in
our lanes. Those angler fish, if there's
anything of concern happening down there, as we learned with
the angler fish gate, an angler fish gate, an angler fish gate,

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yeah, an angler fish will come up and tell us.
OK. No 100%.
You know, if if something crazy is going down, down going on
down there, they'll send someoneup.
If there's something we need to know, they're gonna, they're
gonna let. Us, I, I have fuel confidence in
whatever's going on down there something.
That they have a whistleblower, I'm sure if they.
Really need us down there. They'll send someone up.
OK? We don't need to be.

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We don't need to be. Established a chain of command.
It's important to stay in your lane and we were meant for land
100% and the I think obviously the surface, we could keep it on
the surface and maybe we should start limiting how far down we
go. I think so too.
I think that's when we start crackling.
Maybe like after a mile down youdon't leave that till like

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military. Half a mile, Half a mile.
We don't need tour mile. We don't need tourists down
there, you know, Also, like, isn't it?
I did. Did they ever address like,
isn't it dark down there? Oh super dark.
They have a light on the submarine though.
Not that it works, but. Probably a tap on.

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Like knowing, knowing them, it was a tap on, tap on.
Like they're like shit, you haveto go outside to turn this shit
on, like. Shit, they can't hear us
clapping. What a mess.
Rest in peace to all those souls.
So we're still not over it. They're probably still not over

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it. I know Stockton is rolling in
his grave because he's. Like I know Dave Cameron is
probably over it. Or, as I call him, Dave Cameron.
That's my. Bad.
So funny, dude. So yeah.
I'm still not over it. I don't think I'll.
I won't be over this for like a decade.
It was so no. It's like, I hope this never
happens again. I hope this is like a big enough
deal. Well, you know humans and

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learning their lesson. I'm.
Yeah. It's like this is such a big
enough deal that like probably will never get over it.
Like I. Don't know.
I'm sure in like 5 years some other guys gonna come around and
be like, I know it didn't work out for them but I'm different.