Still Not Over Sierra Burgess Is a Loser

Imagine: the year is 2018 and you’re tired of seeing catfish wind up alone. So you make a movie where they win, and the rest is Sierra Burgess is a Loser…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s33v0KbshI - Chicks in the Office Podcast with Noah Centineo

Episode Transcript

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Hey, guys, welcome. Back to still not over it.
Today, we're still not over it. We're still not over it today.
Shelby's going to tell me about Sierra Burris is a loser.
We're just. Dude, you've seen this movie,
Burgess We. Always want to say Burris.
Sorry, I have a learning disability, Burgess.

(00:23):
I do. It's crazy.
Burgess is a loser. I was telling my mom about it,
and she was like, who's a loser?Who were you calling a loser?
And I was like, it's the name ofa movie.
And she's like, OK. So funny for that.
I'm a loser. She wants to know the T She's
like, is this someone? Is this the person that you went
to school? With she's like and then who's a

(00:45):
loser? Who we taught listening.
Tell me who's done worse than you in the game of life.
And there are receipts to prove this.
For me, very few, very. I think it makes my mom feel
better as well to be like. At least she's not pregnant.
And if you are pregnant listening to this on purpose, we

(01:07):
love you. Yeah, anyway.
All right, should we get into it?
Let's get into it. So because it's a movie and not
a series, I don't want to say that.
So typically you wouldn't say that there's like a fandom.
However, I do want to say that as you, as our listeners know,
our many, many listeners know there is.

(01:29):
All 1.2 million of you. You know, Spotify has emailed me
saying that we're in the top 5% of of podcasts.
I wish. I think it's just, you know.
Phenomenal and you're you're probably wondering how you've
never even boasted well listen, you know and my.
Mom is very active. My mom is very active at

(01:52):
Spotify. I was very active on the files
in my computer that haven't beenposted.
Yet. Anyways, so Sierra Vergis has,
you know, this fan base coming from all these Netflix stars who
kind of already exist in their orbit, Netflix and you know, all

(02:13):
the major studios, I feel. Like Netflix loves to recycle an
actor they love to, they're like, we're going to, we're
going to milk you for all you'reworth.
They said that's our prized cow.Once you're, you know, once
you're branded, once you've got that deal, you know, they just
kind of keep. So Noah Centineo is just such a
prime example of that. You know, he made his big splash
replacing Jake T Austin on the Fosters.

(02:36):
Everybody was like, who's that handsome tall boy?
And you know, the rest is history.
They're like, yeah, he grew 7 inches between seasons.
Happens late puberty. Like that?
Yeah, they were like they sent him to speaking.
Of Fan HD Speaking of fan culture, JTJT Austin is married

(02:59):
to a fan, I'm pretty sure. Or there was yeah, you're so
they're. Either married or they were in a
very yeah. I don't know if they're still.
Engaged. Yeah, that was.
And she's a fan. They like, I think she had like,
I don't know if it was a she either was tweeting about him or
she had like or something. Yeah.
She was, like, dedicated to getting his attention for, you

(03:21):
know, not like. And it worked.
But like, you know, a period of time and he was like, that's,
you know. What that's See, if you if
you're persistent enough, they'll give it.
You know what, some some people are really flattered by that.
I also. It's either marriage or a
restraining order. And exactly, exactly I really I

(03:42):
love. Roll the dice, you know.
You know, when they hear the a person they're talking to is a
fan of their music and so they're like dropped, you know
what I mean? I'm like, that's so me.
I feel like sorry you like my music.
I always, I always wonder about that, like if you're like a
really famous singer, like you're like a Billie Eilish and
you're like making new friends and they're like.

(04:02):
I listen to your stuff. Halfway through hanging out,
they're like huge fan by the way, like.
But like, what do you do if likehalfway through or like 3
Hangouts in, they're like, yeah,like, not that you asked, but I
thought your album was trash, You know what I mean?
Like, it's like, there would be so much yes, it'd be weird to
hang out with super fans if theywere like, don't throw out that

(04:24):
napkin. I need that napkin.
But also it'd be way worse to hang out with, like, haters.
They were like. Also can't imagine like hanging
out with someone and then like you go home and you like follow
them on it. You follow them on it, sorry,
and then you go home and you follow them on Instagram.
Imagine as a as a celebrity and you see that they've like DM Ed
you right? I'd be so like, sorry, what?

(04:49):
Like what do I say? Like I couldn't like pretend to
not have been a fan with anyone because I one thing about me is
I'm going to like an Instagram post they make.
Oh you, you've never heard of me.
Why'd you like my post from September 8th 202727?
Me. I got botted like it was a bot
that was. Botted.
That was AI clock it. That's gonna be everywhere soon.

(05:11):
I got botted. That was a bot, you know, That
wasn't me. That was a bot.
Sorry, it wasn't me. You know what?
I wouldn't do that. That's like, like anybody would
be like, yeah, that actually like that makes sense.
I can see that. Yeah, I believe it.

(05:31):
If someone was like, no, that wasn't me, that was a bot, I'd
be like, happens. It happens to be it.
Happens. It happens.
Oh my gosh, it happens all the time.
All the time. Identity theft is real, so. 100%
everybody keep your eyes peeled for what I'm not actually.
One I open when I'm sleeping. One I think it's sung by anyone

(05:55):
in particular. I think it's like me, it's so
good and 19 is. That like Buffett.
Sorry, back to. Sierra Burgess So you know the I
think people were really watching it because it came out
in between Riverdale seasons. So you know the the lead
actress. She was also on Stranger Things

(06:17):
season. One yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She was on Stranger Things and had.
Her. What's her name?
She's really famous. Recurring role is generous.
She's in like the first two episodes.
She died? No.
No, no, no, no. She's recurring.
She's gets like, what's? Her name?
Like Patty, no Dan. You're doing her so.
Barb. Barb.

(06:37):
It's Barb. So the actress?
Yep, it's Sharon Purser if I'm not mistaken, and you're doing
her so dirty. I now need to know her
Riverdale. It's Barb.
No, I'm talking about her on changer things.
Barb 00 on Strange. I actually have never seen
Stranger. Things.
OK, so she dies early on in Stranger Things I'm not wrong
about. That are they spoiler.

(06:59):
It's like episode 2 if you haven't seen episode 2 of
Stranger Things by now, actually.
Only seen season 1 episode 1. I love when people are like, she
might have Oh my God, she honestly.
Died slash gone missing on the 1st episode.
For like Glee and it's like, OK guys, there's 2009.
Like I can't protect you anymorein 2025.

(07:21):
No, someone got mad at me for spoiling Lost.
I was like, come on, it's been like last episode aired like 20
years ago. I love getting people into the
OC, but then like occasionally people will get upset when I
spoil something that happens to Marissa Cooper, one of the main
characters, and it's like, I'm so sorry.
The OC aired in like 2004, 2005.Like, yeah, it's kind of a

(07:46):
vintage show or whatever, but like.
And these spoilers don't make the show bad.
You can still watch the show like.
Oh, this show's so phenomenal. Like they're scared to make
shows as good as The OC today, you know what I mean?
Like the plot twists, the addiction, you know what I mean?
The, the eenie meenie miney MO of it all.

(08:08):
Anyways, we're still off topic. The OC is phenomenal.
I would say that Sierra Burgess,I keep wanting to call her
Shannon personnel came in with maybe their own separate fandoms
and then they kind of converge. I I remember there was a lot of
hype surrounding this movie before it came out and then it
wasn't necessarily met with the warmest response.

(08:30):
No, I think people were like, what the fuck was that?
What the fuck was that? People were like what the fuck
did I just watch 'cause it was sold as a ROM com.
We were like which is a ROM com.Crazy.
It's one of the most like this is dramatic.
I will say it's, I was going to say it's more.
Than self. Aware I was going to say it's
one of the most toxic movies I've ever seen.

(08:54):
Yeah, that's not true. It's.
Not worthy of that title. That's crazy.
But I will say that like so muchis wrong with it that like I
mean like the should we go into the plot of it for people who
haven't seen it like a quick. But anyone hasn't seen it like
the very premise like it's so again, it's marketed.
It's marketed as part of like 3 ROM coms that Noah Centineo does

(09:16):
almost at the same time, like right around right in between
for all the boys. He was working two.
I'm so sorry 2 Bus. Another bus, plane 2, all the
boys, he was working, he was booked.
Yes, so there's this movie. There's another one about a
dating app for, you know, kind of the lost boys in college

(09:38):
that's separate. But again, that's also ROM com
about, you know, Noah Centineo, the heartbreaker bad boy on
campus. So again, another ROM com, this
movie and then a third movie. He kind of plays the, I guess
besides that bad guy, he like kind of plays like the nice guy.
If you will. And then another one where he's

(09:59):
the good guy, like a a handsome jock who gets his like.
Jock with a heart of gold. Yep, exactly.
Which is typically more his likegolden retriever type thing.
So in this one we're like expecting that from Noah
Centineo. That's like more his thing.
Which honestly is for the most part what he does in the movie.
However. He doesn't give much in the

(10:20):
movie. Like he's kind of like a object
of their projections. I'd say he's just like some guy,
like you don't really like get to know anything about him
except for what he volunteers with the deaf.
But besides that, there's you don't get to know him at all.
It's not about him. Like it could, it literally
could be any man. Like there's a.

(10:41):
Funny dude, they could have blurred his face and it would
have worked. Like just some guy you know?
Yeah, there's a part where the girls So if you guys don't know,
you know it's a a catfishing movie.
Popular girl, less popular girl,popular boy.
Popular girl and boy are both well, I shouldn't say both.

(11:03):
Single popular boy is single popular girl is in something
complicated. So she gives Noah Centineo's
character her phone number, but it's not really her phone
number. It's the less popular girl's
number. Sierra Burress's.
Why does she have her number again?

(11:24):
Because she had put up like the sign, because she's trying to
like raise money for something. She needs money for something or
college or something, I don't know.
So she's tutoring. So she put up her number to.
We saw this movie like 4 days ago for reference.
And then the mean girl, the hot mean girl as there is the hot

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mean bitch takes off like heard like the numbers off the wall
and rips off Sierra's number hasit in her pocket boy, the object
of the desires the boy, the monolith boy goes up to hawk
girl and it's like I want your number and she's like watch this

(12:05):
guys gives him Sierra Burris's number.
They start texting he. Literally says watch this.
I'm like, pretty sure that's yeah, like watch this guys.
He doesn't. Question.
He doesn't. Question why she hasn't printed
out? Oh yeah, I keep my number
printed out on this piece of paper in my pocket.
It's what I'll hot people do. Which is set in like, you know,

(12:25):
2021. Right gives us.
Why wouldn't he? Doesn't he doesn't question it,
but that checks out because I don't he's not giving anything
so. He's not concerned.
He's like, did you see this girl?
It just slid me her number. So he starts have no.
Number. And Sierra, that number belongs
to Sierra. So they start texting, texting,
texting. She eventually figures.

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But you know what, like all hot people do.
Sierra doesn't know who just texted her.
Hey, So what does Noah Centenario do?
He sends hey, because he's making this like puffy monkey
cheek face and flexing and like I know that's what the casting
director told him to do, which is like they were like the.
Preteens non. Threatening.
Non threatening. They're like the preteens gonna

(13:08):
eat this up. They, I'm sure they did.
I'm sure they we were a little bit out of.
Like you're 17. Yeah.
Instead of in your 20s, but he looked very handsome.
He, just like you know, is there.
Some again, just some dude. Just.
Some dude? Yep, just handy guy.
Couldn't emphasize him as a person less.

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But it's like you don't text someone and go hey, and then
send like a super cringe selfie of you going like, you know, it
was just like very, it's me. Remember, especially if you have
like a big crush on the pot. It was just, it was, it was
absolutely wild. And it was never going to work
for him. Enjoyed was so there's this like

(13:52):
this other thing that they try to get away with is like, oh,
body positivity is like a big ornot even it didn't even start
there with positivity. They start with like, you know,
we have this, this the beautifulgirl and the less popular girl
who is dealing with herself esteem issues.

(14:12):
And so immediately Noah, since he knows characters like, oh,
your voice sounds different overthe phone, like it's different
than how it sounds in person, like like fatter.
And she goes like, are you trying to tell me my voice is
fat, Which is what he said. And he goes, no, no, no, like

(14:35):
like Fuller and like this is notsomething that's said once and
drop. This is a recurring.
What a weird thing. As a big bitch myself, I don't
think you can tell that I'm a big bitch from my voice.
I think unless you're like, unless you're like a fat Albert
type beat man, I don't think youcan tell.
That, I feel is intentional 'cause you like choose to allow.

(14:58):
Allow the volume if fat. Even if fat Albert lost weight,
he would still have a deep voice.
I feel that he, for example, Adele, has lost weight and her
voice sounds exactly the same because I'm pretty sure voices
don't fluctuate. I mean, I guess opera singers,
but I mean, I feel like you're. I you can't guess that I if you

(15:19):
played like a some voices sound rich and full and some sound
like brittle and like. That has nothing to do with your
actual size. Like it depends on how I.
Get mistaken. I get mistaken as a child at
least once a month on the phone,so there's just no way.
Anyways, that was like a weird like I guess they were like,
well we need. To that was a choice.
That was a weird choice. And I also feel like they're

(15:41):
like, we need to make it seem like he's a little suspicious
and also. A little stupid, like we need to
show that he's not great with girls.
Yeah, so she's like, I'm sick. So he's been talking on the
phone. Sierra know at this point,
Sierra knows that he thinks thatit's the hot girl.
Oh. Yeah, there's a point in time
when he he says like he confesses like his like crush or

(16:05):
whatever and then he sends like 3 messages in a row and because
she doesn't text back like that,he says like.
I guess I'll kill myself. Yeah, no, exactly.
Well, it's like, how could you leave me hanging, you bitch?
Veronica. But like, uses the girl's name
and Shannon goes like, you know what I mean?
Like it's very like OMG he thinks I'm Veronica.

(16:28):
She's like, oh, this makes sensenow.
So the catfish continues. They team up because it seems as
though like we saw in the Victoria, Victorious as we saw
in the is it like The Veronicas?Not me nodding when like the

(16:49):
Victorias and I'm like. I was like, I was like a child,
it feels. Like, is she trying to say the
Victorian area? That's what I thought I was the
Victorian. I was like, she's so right
there. It was like with in the tutor
era. No, OK, listen, it's like in the
Heathers where like the popular girls really just misunderstood

(17:10):
and needs a dear friend. So you get to know the popular
girl because I she's like, there's like a weird like, and I
have to say this as someone who majored in philosophy, there's a
weird philosophy subplot of Sierra like teaching that is so
mean. That is so mean.

(17:31):
And it will, it will come up again.
It's gonna come up. I'm gonna bring it up subtly
every episode, so. No, you should be everyone.
'S shot take a shot every time. Everyone should keep a glass
handy and you should be proud of.
Yourself, Sierra. I got to get something out of
that degree. OK 'cause it's not like it's

(17:52):
something one can use. All I can do is talk.
About honor, OK. 1st I can do istalk about having it like.
And you know what? And you can clean up in trivia.
Period period. They talk about S Sierra begins
tutoring this girl and philosophy because she needs
good grades so she can stay on the cheer squad because all her
mom cares about is the cheer squad.

(18:13):
So the the hot girl and Sierra Sorry Sierra.
I team up and they start gettingto know each other and then the
hot girl agrees to help Sierra catfish this man.
This just let things get manipulative and toxic because
it's one thing. I mean it was toxic from the

(18:33):
like the start of hot girl. I don't know her name.
I'm sorry to dehumanize her likethis.
It could be. Veronica.
It could be the cheerleader. Well.
She's explaining. Hold on.
The cheerleader sort of just like in exchange for like these
tutoring sessions, like just like greens to help her out with
catfishing. So they'll like FaceTime boy and

(18:55):
girl and like Sierra will be doing the talking and like
they'll be Facetiming back and forth.
And so he's like seeing this girl on FaceTime, doesn't
realize that she's catfishing him and that the one that he's
been talking to every night is actually Sierra.
That's weird. Gets even weirder.
They go on a movie date. Sierra's like in the back.

(19:15):
They kiss. This is what like all of it's
toxic. But this I thought was like
super problematic, like not to be like crazy.
So he thinks he's kissing Veronica after the movies makes
him close his eyes. Sierra Burress tumble rolls out
from under his fucking car or something, kisses him and then

(19:36):
it's like close your eyes and like hides and it's and she's
the hot girl standing there again.
So like they like, and I'm like I'm sure I feel like if this is
2 dudes doing this and everyone would be like, is that not
sexual assault like a little bitlike.
No, if it's, it's so hard. No, they tag team this.
They literally tag team this manwhen like the one he's actually

(19:57):
forming a like a actual connection with is Sierra and
then the Veronica is like the front facing like one sending
the pictures 1 Facetiming. But either way, it's like,
that's not who he thinks he's kissing, So it's wrong.
You know what I mean? It's not like, oh, but that's
the personality. Oh, but that's the one he's I

(20:18):
don't care about any of that. It's like, if you know what I
mean, Like that's just like, no,like that was just like in very
poor taste. I don't even, I wouldn't even
say that it aged poorly. I think it was like, poorly.
Oh it was. It was poorly received when it
came out. It was jarring.
I remember everyone being like what the fuck Like what?
Everybody was like, that's because it's I.
When I was looking for her name,I saw the other.

(20:40):
The name of the other movie I remember #swiped is the one
where Noah Centineo is kind of like the bad boy.
The other movie he's in is the perfect date.
That's the one where his heart gets like stomped on and he's
like. Is that what Maya Mitchell?
No, that's the one with He's in He's in yet another one, but
that one's not from Netflix. The perfect date is the one with

(21:02):
Veronica Lodge. What's her name?
Camila Mendez. Oh yeah, another, another 120.
20/18/19 And the beginning of 2020 was just absolutely.
He was booked. I hope he saved his money 'cause
that was the most he had will ever work that was.
Crazy. It's I, you know.
Like does he even act? I haven't seen him in anything

(21:23):
in what like years? In years.
So it's, you know, with respect to his personal life and
everything that's going on, I actually think he went on.
If anybody wants to know the name of the podcast, 'cause I.
Didn't I didn't know that he wasgoing through something?
So no, I know, I totally know that, he went on.

(21:43):
I imagine that meteoric rise to fame was absolutely insane
because he went from like no onehad heard from him from being
like. The.
Like teen? Like what's the term heartthrob?
Heartthrob. Of like the of the year for like
3 years straight. Well, also, not for nothing, a

(22:10):
lot of people don't know this, but he comes from like a family
of that type of thing. Like his father was a producer.
He produced like, oh. He's an apple baby.
A lot of people don't. Know that his dad.
Industry plant I knew. Industry plant.
No, I'm totally kidding. It was, oh, chicks in the
office. So on.
Chicks in the Office, he talks alot about his struggles with

(22:37):
sobriety. So he he currently is totally
sober, but he had like a, a darkperiod of time where he was in
or on Chicks in the Office. He talks about, I think the
direct quote is like, I never injected anything.
So that's good. But pretty much anything and

(22:58):
everything else he said that he had tried.
I don't want to overreach and misquote him, but I, I think
he's talking about, and he does say, you know, Molly, marijuana,
alcohol, He's, he's all completely sober now.
But I, I'm sure you do remember,most people remember, you know,
20/18/19 he was, you know, really, really, those were his

(23:19):
peak heartthrob years. He was so handsome.
He was so handsome. I didn't realize he was oh, he's
in the recruit. I forgot about the recruit.
OK, the recruit. He's been working.
One thing about 1 was. Just cancelled.
Yeah, but one thing about Netflix is I'm sure they'll find
something else for him. They keep him booked.
Always, always booked, but he just came out on the red carpet.
And every time that happens and an actor looks drastically

(23:41):
different, you know, I know those articles have to just be,
you know, imagine you're going through all this.
It's probably, it probably feelscrazy when everyone's like, what
happened to you? You look terrible.
And it's like, OK, I'm a person with feelings.
He's going through something. And maybe maybe that just wasn't
a good luck, you know what I mean?
And so, you know, that is difficult.
And he seems like a a nice youngman.

(24:03):
So hopefully, hopefully it turnsaround for him.
However. Wish that king all all the best.
Yes, absolutely. PewDiePie, yes.
Everyone who works with him say he's very, says he's very kind
in yes. But he's one of those people
that's not really acting, you know, playing different versions
of themselves. He is nice in all of his roles,

(24:24):
I'll give him that. Yes, but I, I, I don't see a
whole lot of like deep diving depths.
No, I don't know anything. Like, again, all of his
characters, no offense. No offense, seems like a lovely
human being. You know, he, he excels in his
in his. Trademark of plane.
Just some guy, a regular dude, aregular Joe.

(24:45):
A regular handsome guy, but you know, if you want him to like,
deliver like a soulful monologue, there's not like too,
too much behind this brown eyes.And that's fine.
That's fine. All you need to do is get lost
in a mom. And I look like that.
Please. I'd be like, what personality?
Who needs it? Personality.

(25:05):
Sorry, did you? You know what personalities are
for ugly bitches? I don't.
Need short hoes. Yeah, like, not me.
I'm sorry. Did you see my naturally curly
hair? He's like, listen, you hit 61,
personality irrelevant, OK, pass.
Done. No one gives a fuck.
Yeah. Also when under special skills I
would put no one has ever passedon me and smash your pants.

(25:30):
I bet that's for Noah's and Denaeo.
Never been passed. Never been.
Never. Never.
Man, women, never men, non binary people, grandmas,
grandpas. No one.
No one's passing. Bow, bow.
Bow, bow, bow. Puff, puff.
Pass. Not to reject.

(25:50):
Not to reject funds, man. He's also, you know, a gentleman
and a scholar, and I've heard hereads a lot of books.
His ideal? Executive producer on the
recruit I just. Saw.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I, you know, I remember reading
something that his ideal first date or he went on a first date
with a partner at the time and they'd swap books on a hotel
rooftop. And so, you know, in addition to

(26:13):
being quite handsome. He's not like other girls
either, OK? He's not like the other girls.
He's not he. No, don't think that just
because he's 6 whatever that he doesn't read.
OK, I know most men over six oneare illiterate, but not him.
Not him. He's got he's got stuff going on
upstairs. You hit 61, they're like close
the books. No need to read anymore.

(26:34):
Reading is for short people. They're closer to the books,
obviously. But then what happens then?
Just Fast forward the most, I'm going to say it right now, the
most unrealistic part about thismovie is that they end up
together because I'd be God damned if I ended up with my

(26:56):
with someone who fucking catfished me.
I don't care what you look like,I don't care how interesting you
are. Why would I ever want to be with
someone who our relationship started from you catfishing me?
It's kind of like, well, I guessit's it's a great would you,
would you rather end up with your stalker or your catfisher?
It's like, are they not? Are they not almost the same

(27:17):
thing? Is it?
Well, you know, your stalker, your stalker's at least upfront
about it, you know what I mean? Your stalker's like.
At least your stalker's like, hey, like here I am outside
your, outside your window, like like pick me.
Again, you know, but your catfish is like.

(27:38):
God. I'm someone else, you know what
I mean? Like that was, I didn't.
Remind us about my sweet Bobby. We will be circling back to that
because we're still not over it,OK.
But yeah, I think. About that like I I haven't
talked to any of my cousins since like I'm punishing them.
What's your grandma's name before we continue?
No, period. I will.

(28:00):
I'm like, can you put my uncle on the phone?
Trust but verify. Yeah, where?
Where's your what's your mom's maiden name before we?
Proceed What's my mom's maiden name before?
You. I will say the climax of this.
First of all, Shelby's supposed to be telling me about this
movie. First of all, my name's hot Mom

(28:21):
Fuck. Mama's supposed to be telling me
about this. Movie Hot Mama is telling you
about the movie. And so the big climax happens at
his football team, football game, 'cause he's on the
football team, yes, one is he goes.
Do you want to explain? Do you want to?
Explain it because it's fucking crazy.
The whole movie is the whole movie gives fever dream.

(28:43):
It's like a weird. It's gives like those
reoccurring dreams where you're like in a you have a you're in
sleep paralysis and you're back in high school and you're like,
I swear that I know how to read.Why am I back in high school?
I have a college degree. Like do you ever read those
dreams? OK, let me let you continue.
Let me shut up. Well, no, I do, because I'm
often, you know. You can tell whoever wrote this

(29:04):
hadn't been in high school in a good minute.
'Cause they have just, they haveno concept of how the adults
interact. No, this person, this person
went to high school in the 80s. Saw one episode of Catfish and
was like I gotta be. So good, right?
Yeah, so he, I guess you also need to know that Veronica had
like a crappy boyfriend before Noah Centineo, who was like,

(29:31):
yeah, we can just like hook up or whatever.
And so Spencer's his name. So he's gone, he comes back,
they go to a party from the loser.
Sierra has like 1 friend. She's like a bad friend to him.
As soon as she gets attention tothe popular girl, she like
ditches him. The friend who?
Is, by the way, the most compelling, interesting and

(29:52):
funny character in the whole movie.
Like Sierra treats him like trash.
He's literally been there for her.
Like doesn't care that she's a loser, doesn't care.
Like she also doesn't tell him about any of what's going on.
Like lies to him when he tries to be like, hey girl, it seems
like you're acting super weird and we've been friends for a
long time, all this stuff. So anyway, they go to school the

(30:12):
next day. She texts him and says like, oh,
I'm I'm going home. I can't hang out.
There's a party. So he he goes home.
He doesn't go to the party. At this party, Spencer shows up
and whisks Veronica away, so she's not able to hang out with

(30:33):
Sierra at the party anymore. She Sierra drunk gets super
drunk at the party. They pick her up for the other
students for a keg stand, which is crazy because.
She did great, honestly the mostinteresting thing she does the
whole movie. Yeah, in a skirt, too, which,
you know, And her friends, Veronica's popular friends, are

(30:53):
like, what are you doing with Sierra Burgess?
She's a loser. And Sam made this really just
super astute. Like you can tell that Veronica
has known Juice as the alpha because if she did she would put
that beta bitch in her place andbe like I decide who's a loser
and who's. Not yeah, be like, first of all,
same with in the Heathers too. It's like if you're the top

(31:16):
bitch in your friend group, you can bring home literally a
fucking Teletubby and be like, this is my friend.
You're going to question it. You're gonna question me?
Fuck you. See what happens.
So last night they questioned her alpha status just a little
bit when her friends were like, why are you hanging out with
her? She's a loser.
She should have been like, and what are you without me, bitch?

(31:36):
OK. Kick rocks.
Push them in the goddamn pool. Pick rocks, losers.
That's what I would have said ifI was her.
I would have said you can sit and spin.
Unfortunately, she didn't. She thinks about it.
She's like, wow, I wonder if that's really worth my super
cool status. And so Spencer comes along and

(31:57):
is like, your friend can probably handle herself for a
few minutes. And like the bad friend she is
in any movie like this, she leaves her.
One thing a mean bitch is gonna do is leave you at the fucking
party. OK, That's number one for a boy
in her. DNA.
Number one rule of being A1 dimensional character in a movie
is you're gonna leave your friends behind.

(32:18):
Don't grow, Don't grow, don't grow.
Leave her for a man. Leave her for a man.
Bros before hoes. OK, so.
So Karma has his kiss, her kiss for Veronica Spencer is gone
immediately. So while she's being confronted

(32:39):
Sierra Burgess by her long time friend for like, lying about
where she was last night, Veronica runs up in the hallway
and is like in tears. Oh my God.
Spencer broke up with me. I think his name is Overtime.
Her long time friend over text dumps her over text is like
yeah, I don't know why you thought that'd be anything
different. So she tells Dan like oh not now

(33:03):
my friend needs me, which is like super shitty.
And then there's never any otherlike that's the last time we
even see Dan and. Maybe it was cut out of the
final cut 'cause this. If I was the dude, I would have
dropped her. That's true.
Act like scenes like that get cut all the time.
And so there could have been a reconciliation that we just
didn't see. But honestly, there were other

(33:24):
scenes that I think they it was a it was like maybe an hour 45.
So maybe they were trying to keep it under but.
Yeah. It didn't work for me, him being
like, oh, we all need to be in this group hug.
I've never seen you talk to Veronica before, ever.
And they're. All friends now.
Oh, we didn't finish the conclusion.
So yes, exactly. So it's homecoming.
We know before that the the football game is when

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everything's revealed and he realizes who's Sierra is.
So. So he has a little brother and
his little brother's deaf and. Another problem, another problem
this movie did not give a fuck about.
This movie was like they were like I.
Misunderstood this part when we were watching at CMI, like asked

(34:08):
him to clarify and they did. And I was like, no, I think
you're wrong about that. So Noah Centennial is
volunteering with his brother this like random day.
Like not only is Sierra a catfish, she's also a stalker.
They're like she's driving something with Dan because like
she's catfishing him like they're texting.

(34:29):
She knows that he's volunteeringon this day with his brother.
And so she like stops the car with Dan and it's like, Oh my
God, like we're also volunteering here on this day
right now. However, she's like, she's like
hits Dan and goes, oh, you need to tell him I'm deaf.
And I, I was like, no, no, she. Because she can't talk.

(34:51):
Because she didn't want him to recognize her voice.
I was like no phone. She didn't say that like she
wouldn't she can't pretend to bedeaf.
Like that's so short sighted. Like that can't be like her
plan. No, that was absolutely the
plan. So the.
Writers of this movie were like,how do we make sure this movie
doesn't go down well with anyone?
That's it. Every demographic.
Now that it's like, is that ablest?
Or is it just the way we haven'toffended the deaf community yet?

(35:15):
Do they put that in? Write that.
In, write that. In, write that down.
Write that down. Incredible.
So now that that's been set up, they're all at this football
game. Veronica's cheering.
The the girls were fine, but shesees this kiss between them.
So Veronica's so upset about Spencer.
Noah Centineo is just getting off the bus.

(35:36):
There's this bad flirting. They kiss.
Shannon sees it. She's like, oh, that girl's not
my friend. Sierra sees it and goes, oh,
that girl's not really my friend, What the fuck?
The girl's like, I was just covering for you.
I was literally what was I supposed to do?
It's like, sorry, She's supposedto be like, sorry, I can't kiss
you because I've been catfishingyou this whole time.

(35:59):
So instead she played her part, OK, She played her part.
God forbid a bitch commenced to the the bet period.
Anyways, arrested. So he has to be there because
it's honest. The outfits go crazy.
He he's there in uniform on the field.
Veronica's there cheering cheer captain and Sierra shows up late

(36:20):
as hell, head to toe band uniform plays the flute so she.
Remember there, remember. You think she's a deaf girl?
Flouted. She's she's deaf, but also he
apparently doesn't notice that she doesn't go to school, that
she does go to school. He's never seen her before her
friend David. They go to different schools.

(36:41):
They go to different schools right behind her and in the band
and then some blonde kid that you've never seen before is
right next to her. So as the game is progressing
and like tears are happening andeye contact is going on between
Veronica, Sierra's just like boiling, boiling mad about this.

(37:01):
Just can't stand it. And like, they're both starting
to cheer for this boy as he plays football.
And so she, like, hits the boy next to her and goes, I need you
to scream his name, like, as loudly as you can.
And he goes, what? And Dan's like, don't do it.
Like, don't do it for her. Like, don't get involved in this
mess. Like, you don't want to be part
of it. And the blonde kid has the most,

(37:23):
like, high school. It's the best acting in the
movie. He has the most, like, shit
eating. He asks not one question.
He goes, yeah, I'll do that. Doesn't need to know why, why
she can't do it herself. Why, like Dan behind them
doesn't want to happen, doesn't give a fuck about any of that.
It's just continuingly, so, you know, the third time Noah

(37:44):
Cintineo on the field turns around and Sierra Burgess stands
up and is like, you know, and it's like.
Waving because she's deaf. She can't talk.
And so you know. Crazy.
Crazy that. The most embarrassed she has.
No, she cannot. Like, no sense of like how

(38:05):
things will play out. Like what?
Terrible planning. It's like even if you could get
over the catfishing, like you have a deaf little brother, you
lied to me about being. Yeah, it's like, imagine being
with someone who you met who is like pretending to be have the
same disability as your sibling and I can't.
Imagine it was a different disability.
You know what I mean? Like, not that being deaf is

(38:26):
anything to sneeze at, but it's like.
It no, it's absolutely fucking crazy that she did that.
Like just, you know, is she like, can we?
Take a moment to say like she isabout it.
She's easily one of the least likable characters I've ever
come across and like. 100% honestly she has. 0 Redeeming
qualities 0 so. Clear that she doesn't think
it's that big of a deal. She's like, and what about it,

(38:48):
you know? Catfish a guy one time, You
sexually assault a guy one time,you pretend to be deaf one time
and everyone wants to fucking cancel you.
You can't be happy and crazy. Mad at them like she's mad at
the boys. She's mad at Veronica.
She's like, God, everyone's doing this to me, you know what
I mean? Like, I don't even know if I
want to go to college now, like,you know what I mean?

(39:09):
It's just like. Wants to go to Stanford, by the
way. Homecoming.
Homecoming is still happening. She puts on like maybe the first
good outfit of the whole movie for her and decides that she's
going to stay home in her outfit, so she puts on this
super cute flower dress. Maybe she should have stayed

(39:30):
home. That bitch can't go anywhere
without lying. Not one place like her, her
parents. I'm so sorry her parents did a
bad job like. Her like 1 cool fun fact is that
her dad's famous. They never say for what, Maybe a
poet or something. They never really get into it.
I don't know. He was famous.
Whoever did, like, I know a lot of scenes are on the cutting

(39:52):
room floor and it's like, I justwant to know why you kept the
ones you kept 'cause they just like, you know, what I did
appreciate, though, is that it was like he, he didn't seem to,
Noah didn't seem to understand, like, oh, that's a man's voice.
So he's like, OK, cool. After the game, the girls have
it out. They're like, what the fuck?

(40:14):
No, you. What the fuck 'cause?
She's still mad at her for kissing him.
She was just doing her job. She was just doing.
Veronica like legit was like shewas simply.
Playing her part OK. She's like, you contracted me to
do that, you know? Yeah.
What, I'm just fulfilling my fucking contracted work?
And she's like, no, you contacted me.
Like no, we had a verbal agreement bitch that I was a

(40:35):
physical manifestation of you, So what was I supposed to
fucking do when this dude tries to kiss me?
Say no? Don't you think that would be a
dead giveaway of your fucking story?
Crazy. No period.
So they're both kind of like, no, it's your fault.
No way it's your fault. And then Noah since new is like.

(40:55):
Wait a damn minute, what y'all? Host doing out here, you know,
and he's like that fat voice andhe goes that voice.
It's so that he does say that voice.
It's so familiar, the full voice.
He keeps calling it the full voice and it's like.
Wait, is this before or after her like ex-boyfriend is put on

(41:16):
the teleprompter? After but I think I forgot about
that. So as a sidebar, they like it.
It culminates with like the. I forgot about.
This the hot girl being outed for having a boyfriend and being
broken up over text so they're at the football game.
So this is so important. You're so right, Sam.
So, Veronica, what causes this happen?

(41:39):
Veronica sees their kiss some other kid.
This is also really funny because like yeah, some other
kid runs up to like basically this the part where like the the
scoreboards kept and goes like the toilets are flooding the the
teacher get gets up and runs away.
Veronica was in her car earlier and was like please tell me

(42:02):
you're not that stupid you bitchand is on clearly Veronica's
Instagram and typing in her password and goes bits and then
it works. So even though Instagram would
not allow you to have such a short password with no numbers,
we're supposed to believe that in a fit of rage she hacked it?

(42:24):
Read the DMS because the only person Veronica told that she
got dumped via Instagram DM. Was Sierra.
Was Sierra. So Sierra takes screenshots of
it and, like, hatefully puts it on her phone and gives it to
this guy who, like, is such an asshole that he's like, yeah,

(42:44):
I'll humiliate Veronica, like. Yeah, but public humiliation is
one of my things. Like absolutely I'm.
It's way better than the football game.
Absolutely. I'm going to embarrass this
bitch. I don't know, head cheerleader
dumb. I can be depressed into
anything. Just ask twice, you know?
Yeah, I don't mind that. I'll probably be given

(43:04):
attention, maybe expelled for this.
All in today's work. Sure.
And I guess the scoreboard is also somehow compatible with his
eyeglasses. Yeah.
And like it turns from like these pre predetermined blocks
that are like red and white to like a complete TV screen that
plays, you know what I mean? It's like.

(43:25):
A green screen? Cut that shit.
It was perfect. So then everyone.
No technical difficulties. No technical difficulties went
out of here. No changing like the HDMI, like
nothing nothing nothing like that mirror that shit.
Right onto the teleprompter. So the school's clearly like,
you know, a pioneer, maybe even a magnet school, frankly, for

(43:46):
like, technology and STEM. So if nothing else, the kids are
learning. It does halt the game.
It's distracting Veronica's likewhat the fuck?
I didn't tell anyone else about that and.
Then he sees the guy who's been catfished this whole time, sees

(44:07):
that the girl that he thinks that he's like as a thing with
has been with this dude this whole time who just dumped her
over DM or tax or something. And guess what Position knows
since NAO plays in football. Mr. Journey meme.
You see the quarterback, the only, the only football position
in in this type of film is quarterback.

(44:28):
Imagine they're like, Oh yeah, no, he's a fucking running back.
They be like, what is that? Like they're yeah, what if
they're like, yeah, he's the wide receiver.
They'd be like. What the fuck?
That's not my dream. Man, yeah, I that's also a funny
thing about like, teen dramas. It's like the dude's never the
fucking linebacker. Like it's never the fucking, we

(44:50):
don't know football he's. Never in the If he's on the
baseball team, it's never like the outfielder.
It's always like, Oh yeah. It's never the fucking third.
God forbid it's the third baseman.
OK, God forbid you're in love with the third baseman like.
Oh, it's always what the pitcher.
Always. The pitcher, the catcher, like
it's like one of the really flashy positions, but the other
positions are still really important and he's.

(45:12):
Always. He's always team captain.
He loses the ball immediately, and now the whole school's gonna
lose, which doesn't really matter, but because the teacher
comes back, they take out the phone.
He sees this. He's devastated.
The girls start fighting and theand the wind picked up.
OK, so the girls start fighting and while they're fighting,

(45:36):
here's a He hears the voice that's got a little bass on it.
OK, all about that Bass A. Little something.
He hears that all about that bass.
No trouble, trouble, whatever the fuck.
However it goes hears that plus sized voice and he's like wait a
damn minute, this is a voice that I've been falling asleep to
every night but that somehow doesn't match the he's dumb as

(45:57):
fuck. First of all, it takes him a
while. He.
Said the math ain't math, then. He's like, I just didn't
question you having a completelydifferent voice.
Or making it all of my. Or making me close my eyes at
one time. Anyways, he's she's outed by her
voice. He puts two and two together and
he gets the ick for both of them.

(46:18):
As he should. If only this ick lasted longer,
but he's fully icked out as one would be if this happened to
you. OK, he's icked out.
He's like fuck both of you weirdbitches get out of here.
That should have been in scene done.
That should have been the end ofthe fucking movie.

(46:38):
OK, It's not. Of course it's not.
Nope. Continue.
Nope. It should have been in the
movie. He tells both of them.
Like, stay away from me. And it's like, yeah, so the
girls are kind of like, you know, they both.
Girls are the girls are fighting.
The curlies are fighting. You can kind of tell Veronica's,

(47:01):
like, hoping they're going to work it out on the remix.
Sierra Burgess is like, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, she's not like. As if she has any right to
whatever. She kind of feels like, you know
what I mean? She kind of feels wrong, which
is crazy because it's all her fault.
She has wronged everyone. She's out of that girl at the
football game. It's not that bitch's fault

(47:23):
she's hot. Stop punishing her.
Yeah, she's fucking a little bitty at all, but God forbid a
bitch has lobbies. At all and also they show you
like a little bit about the hot girls home life and you see that
like her parents kind of value like the wrong stuff.
Her dad's not in the picture, I don't think.
At all, Yeah. And then, like, her mom is
obsessed with her being a cheerleader.
That's the only thing she cares about, even though she's so kind

(47:46):
of a little bit good at philosophy.
Yeah, she's kind of smart, you know what I mean?
And her mom, like, doesn't care,you know?
Yeah, so she has a, you know. It's like sad so, but she like
also, you know, you find out that she like, she like stood up
to her friends, like for Sierra,like she yeah, she she, she.
Grows. She grows way more than Sierra.
Way more. She starts out really mean and

(48:06):
by the end she's kind of nice. And Sierra starts out a loser
and ends a fucking loser. Right.
And also she like feels bad about what happened, so she if.
She wasn't a loser before, she'sa loser now for manipulating
that dude. That's all I'm gonna say.
It's honestly if anything Sierra's loser dump is almost
contagious. If anything, it's a self.

(48:27):
Filling it was a self fulfillingprophecy.
Her being like, I'm such a loser.
I've never, Yeah. And it's honestly, it's like
she's a loser for the way that she treats people like.
She's a loser for being like. For dumping her friend for
catfishing this. Who was cool as fuck, by the
way, the whole time. Kissing this man without his
like. His.
Knowledge and without his consent.

(48:50):
No informed consent. So like, yeah.
So anyways. And it's also like I don't have
her. I feel like they never even
explained. Like I understand she wanted to
like be cool, be popular, hang out with Veronica.
But in the end it's clear that Veronica has no problem with Dan
and Dan is cooler than why not just tell him to come to the

(49:11):
party as well? He makes you more normal.
I just I feel like she's excluding her her friend for no
reason. At all.
She sucks. No offense, she sucks, you know?
Exactly like she saw a chance toadvance her own status.
And it's like Dan is not the onedriving your status you.
Know what she is? A fucking loser.
Like exactly loser. And it's not her goals.

(49:31):
It's not how she looks. It's not her social status in
the school, it's the fact that she's a manipulative bitch.
She's ugly on the inside. Like that's, you know what I
mean? Like that's.
And it's never dressed. It's never dressed.
The movie could have taken it. I mean, I guess the movie's
like, oh, well, she fell into it.
Like that girl gave him her number.
It's like she had so many chances to come clean.

(49:53):
To immediately be like, oh. She digs that hole deeper and
deeper, pretends to be deaf, fake kisses this dude like.
Immediately, like she doesn't just happen to get these
screenshots from this account. She hacks her good friend's
account, her new good friend's account to take these
humiliating messages and then makes another student,

(50:15):
encourages another student to broadcast them during a football
game, which her whole school then loses.
You know what I mean? Like, she just, she doesn't, she
doesn't think for a second abouthow her consequences might
impact like anybody else. So anyway.
And guess what? Do you think she learns?
Do you think she learned or or do you think she gets a happily
ever after? I bet she learns.

(50:39):
Spoil alert and so is the first.For the least.
Oh, sorry, go ahead. The least realistic part of this
movie, like I said before, is the fact that she ends up with
this dude, which is crazy to me.Well, first Veronica.
This is what I think is the least realistic part.
Is that Veronica? Because if Veronica, the hot

(51:01):
popular girl? He would have ended up in real
life. He would have ended up with her.
Exactly so first Veronica goes over there in like a nice dark
like sleek dress and her like expensive Jeep to be like, hey,
I'm really sorry they don't showyou the whole scene, but they
just show you like her arriving in his driveway out on the night
of the dance. And then it cuts to like, Noah

(51:23):
Centineo getting dressed, and then he like, sighs and you see
him get out of his car in the driveway of fucking Sierra's
house. And he's like, what you did was
so messed up. Like really wrong.
Like really. Like I could sue you.

(51:43):
It was. But that's like that's all.
And then she starts cutting him off like I know it was really
bad, but and then like says a sentence, he says a sentence and
they kiss and it's like, I, I see you let yourself off the
hook there. Like it's, it's like a.

(52:04):
It's batshit fucking crazy. I don't I was I was wondering if
anyone's ever actually ended up with the person that they who
catfished them. And it's like you would hope not
because like the whole relationship is built off a huge
lie, but if this movie was this movie was like, but her heart is
so good, which we have no evidence of.
We have no evidence exactly. But they're like your heart's

(52:27):
good in the right place. And so therefore she gets the
guy at the end. What a not not that anyone
watches Netflix for the message,but if you're like a
impressionable tubby 17 year oldgirl as I was, I'm like his cunt
skinny man. But anyway.
You're like, no, it's hot. But like at think about being a

(52:50):
guess chubby 17 year old, I'll say it now think about being
like a chubby bitch. Now watching that.
I mean like, well, maybe I can catfish a dude and he'll fall
from his personality and then hewon't care that I don't.
I'm not who I say it'll work, it'll work.
I like, it's crazy to me. OK, imagine being hot and be
like OK maybe I could be nice tothis chubby bitch.

(53:12):
No because look what how you give a mouse a cookie.
No. So basically this is just not
good for relations on no. On one side, it was terrible for
the plus size community, right? Terrible representation.
Like, oh. Yeah, the chubby girl in your
class is gonna fucking catfish. That's not stalk you.

(53:33):
OK. And then on the other hand, it's
like, well, maybe if you catfishboys, they'll like you and
you'll end up with the hot guy. No, literally it's like.
Because in reality what would have happened is they would have
been outed. He would have been pissed at
both of them. He would have forgiven the hot
one. They would have been together.
Been like yeah that bitch is fucking crazy.
I can't believe I did that. I was manipulated into free

(53:54):
tutoring. OK, 100%. 100%.
The fact that he forgave that, forgave her pretending to be
disabled, forgave her like like sexually assaulting him and was
like let's be together is. Yep.
Crazy One of the craziest movie endings ever.
Like the villain was like she isthe villain of the story and she

(54:16):
went a. 100. Percent out for her.
Well, only for a couple of weeksor months because like as soon
as and in the end there's like, you know, words.
Oh, Jamie is his name. Because there's words in the
end, you know, it says like Jamie and Sierra stayed close
and dated and it doesn't. Make long distance work because

(54:37):
they're good over the phone. It's like good.
Over like, mom, they did it manipulate.
Yeah. Also, they all have terrible
parents. Like as soon as Jamie, as soon
as Jamie tells two people the story of how he met his
girlfriend, they're going to be like, you need to break up with
her yesterday. You need like an order of
protection against this girl. You know what I mean?

(54:58):
Like, that's not any that's not like a story that he's going to
be. He's either going to need to lie
about the way that they met forever.
Or yeah, no crazy stuff. Anyways, so end of the story all
comes to a head. And watch the movie because it
will surprise you. You're like, let's make a more

(55:20):
concise ending. Watch the movie I know the
ladies love. Me.
OK yeah, well that was the end of it.
It was crazy. The only thing she just the only
thing she did right was like self actualizes the fucking
loser. I enjoyed the experience of
watching it though, because it'snot every day that like you get
such an uncomplete, full of flawed, easy to hate character

(55:45):
and she was that. So yeah.
Usually you get a more complicated character movies
don't like. In the headers, the characters
are far more like complicated and interesting.
Yeah, movies like this often don't make it to air so.
Netflix was in a surplus this year to let that shit get made.
Also, who was supervising it? Who?

(56:06):
Who okayed this? No one.
No. They said, Noah, what do you
want to do? And he said.
They're like, just make sure that boy's on the screen.
We don't care what happens. They said we want to see girls
fight over boys. Yeah, well, I'm still not over
it. I'm still not over it.