November 10, 2025 • 21 mins
Join Cheryl Lee - That Radio Chick on STILL ROCKIN' IT for news, reviews, music and interviews with some of our favourite Australian musicians
A carrot for a mic, a song over supermarket speakers, and a stealthy dash down the confectionery aisle—Diesel opens with a grin and then gets real about what it takes to build shows that last.
We dig into why theaters are his sweet spot right now: reliable sound, warm lights, comfortable seats, and the space to let a decades-deep catalog breathe. Long sets aren’t a stunt; they’re how you honor history while making room for surprises, including a few covers that sharpen the edges of the night.
The heart of the conversation is the By Request Tour. Fans pick songs from a curated list and can share the stories behind their choices. Diesel reads those notes slowly, often more than once, and the effect is profound: proof that music isn’t background noise but a lifeline for mental health, memory, and connection. From funny requests aimed at mending a breakup to three-generation tributes, the pile of letters has reshaped how he sees his own work. We also talk about the unexpected star of the request box—Moon River—and why its melancholy glow still cuts through in 2025, alongside staples like Crying Shame and Tip of My Tongue.
There’s plenty of road talk too: desert festivals from Birdsville to Mundi Mundi, the abstract beauty of Australia from 30,000 feet, and the balance of touring with family life, early summer mornings, and a little baking on the side.
Diesel shares recent collaborations, producing credits with artists like Richard Clapton, Vika and Linda, and Imogen Clark, and hints at a new album planned for 2026.
New theater dates run January to April, with a homecoming at the Sydney Opera House—proof that careful craft and genuine connection still fill rooms.
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Cheryl Lee (00:04):
Welcome to the Still Rockin' It podcast, where we'll
have music, new reviews, andinterviews with some of our
favourite Australian musiciansand artists.
(01:22):
thank you for joining us, Mark.
Mark Lizzote (01:24):
Thanks for having me.
Cheryl Lee (01:25):
We've got lots of um exciting things to talk about,
but um, I just wanted to talkabout your most recent
performance in Woolies that Isaw on social media.
Mark Lizzote (01:36):
If you could call it a performance with your
carrot microphone, yeah.
I mean, look, I'm I'm always inthere, especially when I'm
touring, because pretty muchlike just prep my own meals when
I'm touring.
I've got my survivalist menu.
It's pretty easy, you know.
Like I eat at weird times ofthe day.
So, you know, even if there wasa great restaurant or whatever
in some town, I'm like, chancesare them being like open at two
(01:57):
or three in the afternoon, whichis when I sort of have my meal
pretty slim.
And I just don't have time.
So I just sort of look aftermyself.
Yeah.
Woolies, Coles, that's that'smy that's my um my go-to.
So I hear my songs all thetime.
And now I just happened to bewith my sound guy at the time
and he was like, Hey, isn't thatyou?
And I'm like, Oh, it is too.
Quick, film this.
Cheryl Lee (02:18):
Isn't it pretty surreal?
Mark Lizzote (02:20):
It's kind of almost normal, I guess, in some
ways for me, but not, you know,somehow it's become normalized.
But when I think about it, it'skind of it is surreal.
It's like, hang on, that's mecoming out of those little
speakers up there.
Yeah.
All I can say, you know, isthat I'm really, yeah, I'm I'm
I'm I'm proud, I'm chufed, I'mhonored, all of those things,
and I'm a part of the landscape.
You know, hopefully most peoplewhen they're pushing their
(02:42):
trolleys around don't get thewillies when they hear me coming
out of the speakers.
If anything, I just hope I maketheir day a bit a little bit
nicer.
Yeah.
Cheryl Lee (02:50):
You know, you manage to actually get around the
supermarket without having tostop and have too many chats and
photos.
Mark Lizzote (02:58):
Uh look, the other day I got spotted, but I'm
really good.
I am really good at beingstealth.
I just am, you know, I've I'vegotten really good at being very
stealth.
Yeah.
If someone really wants to pickme out and go, can can I just
get a selfie?
You know, it's like, yeah,let's do it, you know.
Let's do it next to the umconfectionary or the in the
aisle with a tip too.
It's not a big deal.
Cheryl Lee (03:19):
No, that's very generous of you.
I think the last time I saw youwas at Mundi Mundi last year.
I think I was interviewingRichard Clapton to your
soundtrack, and then when wefinished, I raced around the
front to watch you.
Had you done any of thosefestivals before?
Mark Lizzote (03:36):
I think I did the Birdsville when it was just
starting out.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it waseither the first or second.
And then I didn't didn't do ituntil the year before when we
did Mundy Mundy and Birdsvillein the same year.
So it was quite quite a shockto see how much it had grown and
the infrastructure that theybrought in and everything.
It's amazing.
Cheryl Lee (03:56):
It is an amazing event.
Did you fly in, fly out, or didyou camp, like, flew in.
Mark Lizzote (04:02):
I actually flew us in and I spoiled everybody and
got a plane in and and out.
It was just I really wanted toit was great looking out the
window at what you know thatdesert looks like from that
altitude.
It's incredible.
It actually looks likeIndigenous art when you're up
that high.
It's it's really kind of freakyhow Indigenous art kind of
mirrors what Australia lookslike from 30,000 feet, and you
(04:22):
know how they got thatperspective is is a mystery.
It's it's quite, yeah, it's umit's a sight to see, isn't it?
Yeah, it really is.
It's like no other.
I mean, I've flown out over alot of the world, I have to say,
and look down, and andAustralia has of such a unique
look about a Terra Australis.
Cheryl Lee (04:40):
You definitely know you're home.
Mark Lizzote (04:42):
Very much.
And as soon as you get likeabout an hour into any trip, if
you're flying inland, it'salways like, oh, wow, you know,
I can't see any roads anymore.
It's just just just patterns,lots of patterns, you know.
Cheryl Lee (04:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Mark Lizzote (04:56):
I mean, I'm sure there is things down there, but
we're a very coast-huggingcountry.
We just dwell on the coastmostly, so yeah.
As far as population goes,anyway.
Cheryl Lee (05:05):
You've been having an exciting time doing your by
request tour, which is anamazing concept.
It sounds like it was sosuccessful and you've enjoyed it
so much.
You're reaching the end of thisleg of it.
You're gonna have a littlerest, and then you've just
announced 21 new dates for thenew year, January to April.
(05:26):
Obviously, you're having fun.
Mark Lizzote (05:28):
I am.
It's a really good way to getaround the country doing
theaters.
I'm really, really happy atthis point in my career that
I've kind of tapped into thesetype of rooms, especially in the
regional areas where you justsort of think, where else would
I play in this part of thecountry?
There's always a place to play,but these theaters are just so
great because they've they'vegot everything that I need, you
know, as far as the productiongoes.
(05:49):
And yeah, you know that there'sgonna be a certain kind of
consistency about it.
And I I I want that, you know,for my audience.
I want to know that they'regonna have great sound, the
lighting is gonna look great,they're gonna be comfortable.
I can do two sets, do thattheater thing with it
intermission.
And it's just a greatopportunity to also have that
amount of time on stage, eventhough it is not gonna lie, it's
(06:11):
hard work for me.
But it's it's work that I love.
It certainly isn't like a quick45-minute set or something, you
know, it's a long show.
That's um what I need, youknow, with with the amount of
albums that I have now, and justto kind of get to all of what
I'm doing with people'srequests, especially on this
tour.
I need that amount of space.
I totally get why some artists,you know, when they get to a
(06:33):
certain point in their career,they their shows get longer and
longer because they're justtrying to like get to all the
material, you know.
Look at Bruce Springsteen.
I mean, he he does likefour-hour gigs, and people think
that's crazy.
They go like, four hours?
Oh my god, it's so long.
But go to one of his shows, itdoesn't feel like four hours, I
can tell you that.
And you walk out of there andit you sort of hang on, you can
think about a song list as longas you're on of songs that he
(06:55):
didn't get to play as well, evenafter four hours.
So it's totally understandable.
Cheryl Lee (06:59):
Because there's such a huge body of work
Mark Lizzote (07:03):
I like doing a few covers of other people's work
as well, so that tends to makemy set code longer.
Cheryl Lee (07:08):
Basically, the concept of this for those that
aren't aware is that all thefans get to choose the set list
on their way in.
Mark Lizzote (07:16):
It's it's shaped by the people that take the
time.
I would say a lot of peoplejust buy the ticket and they're
like too busy or they're notinterested, and that's totally
fine.
They don't have to, it's nocompulsory or anything.
But if you if you buy theticket, you'll get directed to
this playlist where you canlisten to a bunch of songs, and
then you fill in this verysimple survey questionnaire, and
it's like, which song do youwant?
(07:37):
If you want to give a reasonwhy, or some anecdote, that's
proven to be really, reallygreat kind of material for me to
work with.
Also very insightful, you know.
I have to say, like I've heardpeople's accounts of what a song
has done for their lives orwhatever before.
It's not like I'm completelylike new to that, but somehow
when I see it in writing and Ican read over it and really
savor what they've written.
(07:58):
And sometimes I read it threeor four times, just reading it
over and just like, wow, that'sreally profound.
You know, like threegenerations, for instance, you
know, yeah, people that havetaken that time and it I can
feel that it really meanssomething.
You know, it's like whensomeone writes a letter and it's
like they're just spillingtheir heart onto the page, and
it's really beautiful and it'shumbling.
It also makes me think, youknow, it gives me some value to
(08:19):
what I do.
And sometimes I have to say, Ijust feel like, yeah, I I
question it sometimes about myvocation.
It's like, is this, you know,like when I see people working
like in the in the emergencyroom.
My mother is actually a nurse,and she did she did that as well
as a bunch of other differenttypes of nursing.
But yeah, people that work inlike first on the scene people
or firefighters, or you know,those people that are like, you
(08:40):
know, essential workers.
And it's it's easy to kind oflike think, oh, a mus musician,
you know, like not essential.
But you know, I reading thesecomments like makes me feel
like, wow, I music is really Imean, I know this.
I I do know that music is isreally therapeutic and essential
for people, for their mentalhealth, at least on the very,
very basic level.
So yeah, it's it's it's just anaffirmation of that for me.
(09:02):
It's really, really great.
Cheryl Lee (09:03):
What a great opportunity.
Like you say, you know that youknow the importance of art and
music in our lives, but like yousay, to actually have that
written down, not a lot ofartists get that opportunity.
So that is a great experience.
Mark Lizzote (09:16):
Well, I mean, it's kind of inviting in them,
opening up the door and invitingpeople in to say, what has this
music done for you?
You know, kind of thing on thenight, you know, like with the
shout-outs, and I might eventalk about the the anecdote, you
know, about that person withouttoo much, you know, detail if
it's very sensitive.
I I try to respect people.
And yeah, but I I feel like ifthey've taken the time to write
(09:38):
something about something, it'sthey're okay with talking about
it, you know, they put it outthere.
So and it's it's nice, youknow.
I think it's most of the themesare really universal.
Anyone can relate to somethingthat someone else has has felt.
They're like, okay, yeah,relate to that, even though that
song didn't do that to me, butI can, you know, relate to it.
So it's ranges from uh it'spretty funny.
(09:58):
Some of them are really funny.
One man was like, I've gottickets to the show, but since
then I've broken up with mygirlfriend and she's coming to
the show.
Can you play this song?
Hopefully, it'll make us getback together again.
And I'm like, not sure I havethose powers.
Cheryl Lee (10:12):
No pressure.
Oh, that's gold.
I feel like it's pretty brave.
You've got a very largecatalogue of music, and I know
how hard every artist rehearses.
And I think you could be askedto play anything, especially
when I saw that you were alsodoing covers, but it's specific
covers, like I couldn't ask youto do Metallica who've just been
(10:33):
here.
Nothing else matters.
Mark Lizzote (10:35):
That'll be in another tour where just give me
like three minutes to there's anartist that's actually been
doing it.
I think it's um Ray, she's beendoing that on stage.
She's amazing from the UK, andshe she sort of whips it up.
She gets like asked, like, singthat song, and she'd be like,
hang on, and she's got the iPadout there, and just sort of
like, Okay, give me a second.
All right, and then does it,you know.
I think that's you know, fairenough.
(10:56):
You want to like at least sortof if you're vaguely familiar
with it, you need to just kindof like have a quick brush up,
you know.
Cheryl Lee (11:02):
Yeah, jeepers.
Mark Lizzote (11:04):
I mean, there's a lot of songs that I have muscle
memory for, probably that Icould just peel off at least a
like a stanza of, you know, butit's always lyrics, like when it
comes down to it, wheneverwe've gone camping or having a
party, and you know, let's beltout a bunch of songs, it's
always someone needs to get thelyrics because you know the joke
is you can remember the firstverse, but you can never
remember the second verse.
Cheryl Lee (11:23):
Have you had any real big surprises?
What's the biggest surprisethat's come out of the request?
Mark Lizzote (11:28):
I think that the amount of requests for Moon
River is really surprising.
I threw it in there because Ilove the song and I'm I've had
to play it sadly actually for afor a few funerals in my family,
and I actually was quoted in myI guess that would have been
like 13 or 14 in my very, veryfirst interview with a
newspaper.
And the the interview was a youknow, standard kind of
(11:50):
interview, and then at the endof the interview there was a
little questionnaire like, youknow, what's your favorite food?
What's your favorite song?
What's your favorite this andthat?
And I said Moon River, and Iremember I remember my parents
and my contemporaries at thetime going, Really?
You like that song?
They thought I was gonna picklike a rock song or something,
you know.
Yeah, no, I like that.
I love that song.
Kind of an odd thing for me tosay at that time.
(12:11):
I think I remember hearing itas a as a child.
That song was kind ofomnipresent growing up, you
know.
Whether it's it was Saturdayafternoon matinee movies that
were on TV or just the radio,probably AM, AM radio.
And that melody just alwayssent me off somewhere.
It was just such a a dreamymelody and lyrics, you know.
If I was asked whose version,it was like, I don't know.
(12:33):
I mean, there's so manydifferent versions.
Do it.
Is it the Andy Williamsversion?
Is it the Frank Sinatraversion?
I actually love the Frank Oceanversion, is the one that I
really love because it's verykind of like it's almost like
abstract, but you still get thesong.
It's just one of those songs.
It's it's such a beautiful setof chords and it evokes like
melancholy, I think is somethingthat I kind of lean into.
Cheryl Lee (12:55):
It's nostalgic.
It obviously touched yourheart.
Mark Lizzote (12:58):
Yeah, you know, and the other song I remember
from a kid growing up was Alfie,you know, that song.
But I think it's Petula Clark.
Another just beautiful killermelody.
I think Burt Bacharach mighthave written that one.
Yeah, I just love those kind ofmelodies that just kind of go
here and there and then sort ofhave those little twists and
tones and a melancholy and sortof bright but dark at the same
(13:18):
time.
That's how I describe them.
So yeah, it's reallysurprising.
It's like, wow, a lot of peoplelove that song.
But I guess not surprisingbecause I I think a music
historian will would say, like,well, it was the most popular
song for blah blah blah blahblah, and it's been recorded a
hundred thousand times and blahblah blah.
Okay, okay.
It is one of the most popularsongs of all.
Cheryl Lee (13:36):
It's a classic.
Mark Lizzote (13:38):
Yeah, okay, you know.
Cheryl Lee (13:39):
All right.
Mark Lizzote (13:40):
I just don't expect in 2025 that people
still be, you know.
Cheryl Lee (13:44):
Interesting.
I'm sure there's actuallyprobably even more than one, but
if you you got probably acouple that are asked for every
single show without question.
Mark Lizzote (13:54):
My God, you know, it's always crying shame, tip of
my tongue.
Those two are like two of many.
I guess I'm lucky I don't havejust two singles.
But they're definitely onesthat are, yeah, you know, I I
get it.
You're gonna hear those songs,so don't come to the show and
start yelling that out like twosongs in, please.
Because I'm going to play them.
(14:14):
It's like going to someone'shouse and walking in and going,
Where's dessert?
It's like we haven't had dinneryet, you know.
Cheryl Lee (14:21):
Patience.
Mark Lizzote (14:22):
Yeah, just chill.
Cheryl Lee (14:23):
You're having a little bit of a break over the
Christmas New Year.
Are you having a break or isthere any like new music maybe
happening?
Mark Lizzote (14:32):
Yeah, well, you know, that's usually what I do.
Um I have a really hard timedisengaging completely from
music.
I don't think I ever haveactually, to be honest.
Even when I'm on holidays, Ijust keep dabbling away.
But I'm lucky I don't have ajob where I have to like really
say, I am not gonna look at mywork for like three weeks, you
(14:52):
know.
I need a holiday.
My work is my my passion, it'smy hobby, it's your life.
Yeah, so but yes, you know, Ido kind of uh clear my head a
little bit, of course, you know.
I tend to uh listen to a lot ofother people's music.
I I dig into my music fan sideof me, you know, like that's
what I've I've always been.
So as a kid, I just love tolisten to other people's music.
(15:13):
So it's good, you know, likejust getting into get into other
things, you know, reading,watching movies, stuff I've
always loved, basically.
Maybe a little bit of a littlebit of baking here and there.
I love I do love baking.
Cheryl Lee (15:25):
And spending some time with the family, I guess.
Mark Lizzote (15:27):
Oh, absolutely.
Cheryl Lee (15:28):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (15:29):
It's all about that, friends and family, and I
just love the weather going intothe summer until it becomes
like fully blown in summer, andthen it's like quite humid, but
even that, you gotta justembrace it.
I find that the early the earlypart of the day is always the
nicest.
This typical Sydney humidityreally like becomes quite
oppressive.
Like just I just get up earlyand make the most of the first
part of the day because that'sthat that's usually a really
(15:51):
nice part.
Cheryl Lee (15:52):
We better talk about these tour dates.
You start on Friday, the 30thof Jan in Tassie, and you go
everywhere, man.
You are in our beautiful townon the 21st of March at the
Dunstan Playhouse at theAdelaide Festival Center, and
you finish up at the end ofApril in the Sydney Opera House.
Mark Lizzote (16:12):
Normally, yeah, it's a nice way to finish.
Come home, slide back into homebase.
Yeah, knowing that the Dunstanis what it is, because you
think, oh, we're gonna have agood night there.
You know, the room is justgreat, the production's great.
I know people like going there.
It's not easy to always get thenight that you want or the
booking, it's it's so hard toget bookings in that venue
because everyone's trying tobook it at the same time.
(16:34):
It's like a lot of theaters inthis country.
But excited about that, excitedabout Alice Springs, which is
just before then, because Ihaven't been to Alice Springs
for 20 something years.
Cheryl Lee (16:43):
Wow.
Mark Lizzote (16:43):
Yeah, it really is that long.
Crazy.
It's nuts.
Again, at Araluen Theatre looksbeautiful on spec, so excited
about that one.
Cheryl Lee (16:51):
Yeah.
You can get tickets atdieselmusic.com.
The month after you finish,it's the big 6-0.
I had my 6-0 earlier this year.
Any plans for a bigcelebration?
Mark Lizzote (17:04):
You know what?
I have never planned birthdays,so who knows?
But yeah, I'm not as bad assome people that I know that
literally just disappear.
I'm really like sort of like uhlow key.
Every day is a birthday,basically.
Every day that you're here onthis planet is a birthday.
Cheryl Lee (17:20):
Every day above ground's a good day.
Mark Lizzote (17:22):
Oh my god, absolutely.
Cheryl Lee (17:24):
In 2018, you celebrated 30 years in the
industry with the release of the30-track compilation album 30
the greatest hits.
Well, a couple of years we'llbe knocking on 40.
So what's planned for that?
Mark Lizzote (17:37):
I don't know.
Again, I don't not big onplanning, so yeah, I don't know.
Some kind of retrospective, I'msure.
I hope.
Cheryl Lee (17:45):
You got time.
Mark Lizzote (17:45):
I do, you know.
That's no guarantees, as theysay.
So yeah, I I look at that likethis how far ahead of me at a
time.
You know, that's about all Ican deal with.
You know, that seems to workfor me.
So I do have another record inthe in the pipe, though, as I
say.
Cheryl Lee (17:58):
Is that a scoop?
Did they hear it first here?
I haven't said too much aboutit, but 2026 is the is my hope.
So because that'll betechnically three, well, almost
three years.
It'll be like two and a halfyears, probably technically,
because I've released bootlegmelancholy kind of towards the
end of 2023.
So so but yeah, 20 somethingmonths is definitely enough time
for another record, I think.
(18:19):
Then you'll have to tour that.
Mark Lizzote (18:20):
No doubt.
Cheryl Lee (18:21):
Excellent.
I don't think I've asked youthis question previously in the
last two times we spoke.
You've done a fewcollaborations in your time.
Is there anybody like dead oralive that you really would have
liked to or would like tocollaborate with?
Mark Lizzote (18:35):
I'd love to collaborate with Thelma Plum.
I'm just totally enamored byher songwriting.
Cheryl Lee (18:40):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (18:40):
Just everything that she puts out and just gets
better and better.
I think her recordings, she'son an amazing, amazing
trajectory.
Cheryl Lee (18:47):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (18:48):
But I'm really lucky, like this year, I I've
gotten to collaborate with a fewartists that I didn't see
coming, which was great.
Like three percent.
I collaborated with with umthree percent in March, I think
it was, or April.
And then uh after that, MelindaSchneider, who I've known for a
while, she's she's a beautifulhuman.
She got me in on on track thatshe wanted me to do a duet on,
(19:09):
so I've dueted with her on asong.
So that's been a real bonus.
I love dueting, especially withwith a voice like Melinda's.
Cheryl Lee (19:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Mark Lizzote (19:16):
It was really nice hearing our voices together.
And and and I you know bustedsome guitar out, of course.
Cheryl Lee (19:21):
Yeah, of course.
I was just wondering how thechildren were going, because is
Lily still singing?
Mark Lizzote (19:27):
Yeah, Lily's still doing music.
Jesse's doing his photography.
Cheryl Lee (19:31):
Photography, yeah.
So the very arty farty likedad.
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (19:35):
The arts and farts, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, look, doesn'talways happen, but the apples
haven't fallen too far in the inthis family.
So it's it's great because mywife has worked in in
photography as producing foryears, so she has knowledge and
skills in that department.
And yeah, we're all quitecreative, and it's a beautiful
thing to when you can sort ofshare stuff with your with your
kids, and vice versa.
Um, you know, I learned so muchfrom them.
Cheryl Lee (19:56):
Well, I've clearly inherited the uh family DNA.
Mark Lizzote (20:00):
Yeah, exactly.
Cheryl Lee (20:02):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (20:02):
I always think that, you know, you can't take
credit for your kids.
If they're they're they'retheir own people, you know.
They're just yeah, they'redefinitely version 2.0 though,
you know what I mean?
They're better versions of us.
Cheryl Lee (20:13):
And you're very proud of them, obviously.
Mark Lizzote (20:15):
Yeah, yeah.
It's the best work I've done,that's what I say.
Cheryl Lee (20:18):
It's our most important job, right?
Mark Lizzote (20:20):
Oh, totally.
My favorite job.
Cheryl Lee (20:22):
Yeah, that's right.
Talking about producing, Idon't know if I knew this
before, but you actually haveproduced for Richard Clapton and
Vika and Linda and any others?
Mark Lizzote (20:31):
Yeah, Imogen Clark.
When I'm put on the spot, it'sI can never think of the others
I'll work with, but I have yeah,produced a lot for a lot of
artists.
Cheryl Lee (20:39):
You got lots of feathers in your cap.
Mark Lizzote (20:41):
Yeah, look, it's you know, I love doing that sort
of work.
I get to kind of yeah, exercisedifferent muscles that I don't
get to use when doing my ownstuff, you know.
Cheryl Lee (20:49):
Yeah.
I know you're extremely busy atthe moment.
I'm sure my time is up.
I really appreciate youspending some time in the Zoom
room with me.
No worries.
I'm looking forward to seeingyou in March, down the front at
the Festival Theatre.
Mark Lizzote (21:02):
We'll be straight from Alice Springs.
Cheryl Lee (21:04):
Very cool.
Well, all the best with thetour.
I'll see you midway through.
Mark Lizzote (21:08):
Beautiful.
Thank you so much.
Cheryl Lee (21:10):
Thank you, Mark.
Both now have a great day.
Mark Lizzote (21:12):
You too.
You are listening to StillRockin' It, the podcast with
Cheryl Lee.
Cheryl Lee (21:20):
We're going to leave you with Diesel's favourite
version of Moon River.
Here it is by Frank Ocean.
You're with Cheryl Lee, thatradio chick.
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Hope to catch you again nexttime.
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thank you for joining us, Mark.
Mark Lizzote (01:24):
Thanks for having me.
Cheryl Lee (01:25):
We've got lots of um exciting things to talk about,
but um, I just wanted to talkabout your most recent
performance in Woolies that Isaw on social media.
Mark Lizzote (01:36):
If you could call it a performance with your
carrot microphone, yeah.
I mean, look, I'm I'm always inthere, especially when I'm
touring, because pretty muchlike just prep my own meals when
I'm touring.
I've got my survivalist menu.
It's pretty easy, you know.
Like I eat at weird times ofthe day.
So, you know, even if there wasa great restaurant or whatever
in some town, I'm like, chancesare them being like open at two
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or three in the afternoon, whichis when I sort of have my meal
pretty slim.
And I just don't have time.
So I just sort of look aftermyself.
Yeah.
Woolies, Coles, that's that'smy that's my um my go-to.
So I hear my songs all thetime.
And now I just happened to bewith my sound guy at the time
and he was like, Hey, isn't thatyou?
And I'm like, Oh, it is too.
Quick, film this.
Cheryl Lee (02:18):
Isn't it pretty surreal?
Mark Lizzote (02:20):
It's kind of almost normal, I guess, in some
ways for me, but not, you know,somehow it's become normalized.
But when I think about it, it'skind of it is surreal.
It's like, hang on, that's mecoming out of those little
speakers up there.
Yeah.
All I can say, you know, isthat I'm really, yeah, I'm I'm
I'm I'm proud, I'm chufed, I'mhonored, all of those things,
and I'm a part of the landscape.
You know, hopefully most peoplewhen they're pushing their
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trolleys around don't get thewillies when they hear me coming
out of the speakers.
If anything, I just hope I maketheir day a bit a little bit
nicer.
Yeah.
Cheryl Lee (02:50):
You know, you manage to actually get around the
supermarket without having tostop and have too many chats and
photos.
Mark Lizzote (02:58):
Uh look, the other day I got spotted, but I'm
really good.
I am really good at beingstealth.
I just am, you know, I've I'vegotten really good at being very
stealth.
Yeah.
If someone really wants to pickme out and go, can can I just
get a selfie?
You know, it's like, yeah,let's do it, you know.
Let's do it next to the umconfectionary or the in the
aisle with a tip too.
It's not a big deal.
Cheryl Lee (03:19):
No, that's very generous of you.
I think the last time I saw youwas at Mundi Mundi last year.
I think I was interviewingRichard Clapton to your
soundtrack, and then when wefinished, I raced around the
front to watch you.
Had you done any of thosefestivals before?
Mark Lizzote (03:36):
I think I did the Birdsville when it was just
starting out.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it waseither the first or second.
And then I didn't didn't do ituntil the year before when we
did Mundy Mundy and Birdsvillein the same year.
So it was quite quite a shockto see how much it had grown and
the infrastructure that theybrought in and everything.
It's amazing.
Cheryl Lee (03:56):
It is an amazing event.
Did you fly in, fly out, or didyou camp, like, flew in.
Mark Lizzote (04:02):
I actually flew us in and I spoiled everybody and
got a plane in and and out.
It was just I really wanted toit was great looking out the
window at what you know thatdesert looks like from that
altitude.
It's incredible.
It actually looks likeIndigenous art when you're up
that high.
It's it's really kind of freakyhow Indigenous art kind of
mirrors what Australia lookslike from 30,000 feet, and you
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know how they got thatperspective is is a mystery.
It's it's quite, yeah, it's umit's a sight to see, isn't it?
Yeah, it really is.
It's like no other.
I mean, I've flown out over alot of the world, I have to say,
and look down, and andAustralia has of such a unique
look about a Terra Australis.
Cheryl Lee (04:40):
You definitely know you're home.
Mark Lizzote (04:42):
Very much.
And as soon as you get likeabout an hour into any trip, if
you're flying inland, it'salways like, oh, wow, you know,
I can't see any roads anymore.
It's just just just patterns,lots of patterns, you know.
Cheryl Lee (04:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Mark Lizzote (04:56):
I mean, I'm sure there is things down there, but
we're a very coast-huggingcountry.
We just dwell on the coastmostly, so yeah.
As far as population goes,anyway.
Cheryl Lee (05:05):
You've been having an exciting time doing your by
request tour, which is anamazing concept.
It sounds like it was sosuccessful and you've enjoyed it
so much.
You're reaching the end of thisleg of it.
You're gonna have a littlerest, and then you've just
announced 21 new dates for thenew year, January to April.
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Obviously, you're having fun.
Mark Lizzote (05:28):
I am.
It's a really good way to getaround the country doing
theaters.
I'm really, really happy atthis point in my career that
I've kind of tapped into thesetype of rooms, especially in the
regional areas where you justsort of think, where else would
I play in this part of thecountry?
There's always a place to play,but these theaters are just so
great because they've they'vegot everything that I need, you
know, as far as the productiongoes.
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And yeah, you know that there'sgonna be a certain kind of
consistency about it.
And I I I want that, you know,for my audience.
I want to know that they'regonna have great sound, the
lighting is gonna look great,they're gonna be comfortable.
I can do two sets, do thattheater thing with it
intermission.
And it's just a greatopportunity to also have that
amount of time on stage, eventhough it is not gonna lie, it's
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hard work for me.
But it's it's work that I love.
It certainly isn't like a quick45-minute set or something, you
know, it's a long show.
That's um what I need, youknow, with with the amount of
albums that I have now, and justto kind of get to all of what
I'm doing with people'srequests, especially on this
tour.
I need that amount of space.
I totally get why some artists,you know, when they get to a
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certain point in their career,they their shows get longer and
longer because they're justtrying to like get to all the
material, you know.
Look at Bruce Springsteen.
I mean, he he does likefour-hour gigs, and people think
that's crazy.
They go like, four hours?
Oh my god, it's so long.
But go to one of his shows, itdoesn't feel like four hours, I
can tell you that.
And you walk out of there andit you sort of hang on, you can
think about a song list as longas you're on of songs that he
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didn't get to play as well, evenafter four hours.
So it's totally understandable.
Cheryl Lee (06:59):
Because there's such a huge body of work
Mark Lizzote (07:03):
I like doing a few covers of other people's work
as well, so that tends to makemy set code longer.
Cheryl Lee (07:08):
Basically, the concept of this for those that
aren't aware is that all thefans get to choose the set list
on their way in.
Mark Lizzote (07:16):
It's it's shaped by the people that take the
time.
I would say a lot of peoplejust buy the ticket and they're
like too busy or they're notinterested, and that's totally
fine.
They don't have to, it's nocompulsory or anything.
But if you if you buy theticket, you'll get directed to
this playlist where you canlisten to a bunch of songs, and
then you fill in this verysimple survey questionnaire, and
it's like, which song do youwant?
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If you want to give a reasonwhy, or some anecdote, that's
proven to be really, reallygreat kind of material for me to
work with.
Also very insightful, you know.
I have to say, like I've heardpeople's accounts of what a song
has done for their lives orwhatever before.
It's not like I'm completelylike new to that, but somehow
when I see it in writing and Ican read over it and really
savor what they've written.
(07:58):
And sometimes I read it threeor four times, just reading it
over and just like, wow, that'sreally profound.
You know, like threegenerations, for instance, you
know, yeah, people that havetaken that time and it I can
feel that it really meanssomething.
You know, it's like whensomeone writes a letter and it's
like they're just spillingtheir heart onto the page, and
it's really beautiful and it'shumbling.
It also makes me think, youknow, it gives me some value to
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what I do.
And sometimes I have to say, Ijust feel like, yeah, I I
question it sometimes about myvocation.
It's like, is this, you know,like when I see people working
like in the in the emergencyroom.
My mother is actually a nurse,and she did she did that as well
as a bunch of other differenttypes of nursing.
But yeah, people that work inlike first on the scene people
or firefighters, or you know,those people that are like, you
(08:40):
know, essential workers.
And it's it's easy to kind oflike think, oh, a mus musician,
you know, like not essential.
But you know, I reading thesecomments like makes me feel
like, wow, I music is really Imean, I know this.
I I do know that music is isreally therapeutic and essential
for people, for their mentalhealth, at least on the very,
very basic level.
So yeah, it's it's it's just anaffirmation of that for me.
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It's really, really great.
Cheryl Lee (09:03):
What a great opportunity.
Like you say, you know that youknow the importance of art and
music in our lives, but like yousay, to actually have that
written down, not a lot ofartists get that opportunity.
So that is a great experience.
Mark Lizzote (09:16):
Well, I mean, it's kind of inviting in them,
opening up the door and invitingpeople in to say, what has this
music done for you?
You know, kind of thing on thenight, you know, like with the
shout-outs, and I might eventalk about the the anecdote, you
know, about that person withouttoo much, you know, detail if
it's very sensitive.
I I try to respect people.
And yeah, but I I feel like ifthey've taken the time to write
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something about something, it'sthey're okay with talking about
it, you know, they put it outthere.
So and it's it's nice, youknow.
I think it's most of the themesare really universal.
Anyone can relate to somethingthat someone else has has felt.
They're like, okay, yeah,relate to that, even though that
song didn't do that to me, butI can, you know, relate to it.
So it's ranges from uh it'spretty funny.
(09:58):
Some of them are really funny.
One man was like, I've gottickets to the show, but since
then I've broken up with mygirlfriend and she's coming to
the show.
Can you play this song?
Hopefully, it'll make us getback together again.
And I'm like, not sure I havethose powers.
Cheryl Lee (10:12):
No pressure.
Oh, that's gold.
I feel like it's pretty brave.
You've got a very largecatalogue of music, and I know
how hard every artist rehearses.
And I think you could be askedto play anything, especially
when I saw that you were alsodoing covers, but it's specific
covers, like I couldn't ask youto do Metallica who've just been
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here.
Nothing else matters.
Mark Lizzote (10:35):
That'll be in another tour where just give me
like three minutes to there's anartist that's actually been
doing it.
I think it's um Ray, she's beendoing that on stage.
She's amazing from the UK, andshe she sort of whips it up.
She gets like asked, like, singthat song, and she'd be like,
hang on, and she's got the iPadout there, and just sort of
like, Okay, give me a second.
All right, and then does it,you know.
I think that's you know, fairenough.
(10:56):
You want to like at least sortof if you're vaguely familiar
with it, you need to just kindof like have a quick brush up,
you know.
Cheryl Lee (11:02):
Yeah, jeepers.
Mark Lizzote (11:04):
I mean, there's a lot of songs that I have muscle
memory for, probably that Icould just peel off at least a
like a stanza of, you know, butit's always lyrics, like when it
comes down to it, wheneverwe've gone camping or having a
party, and you know, let's beltout a bunch of songs, it's
always someone needs to get thelyrics because you know the joke
is you can remember the firstverse, but you can never
remember the second verse.
Cheryl Lee (11:23):
Have you had any real big surprises?
What's the biggest surprisethat's come out of the request?
Mark Lizzote (11:28):
I think that the amount of requests for Moon
River is really surprising.
I threw it in there because Ilove the song and I'm I've had
to play it sadly actually for afor a few funerals in my family,
and I actually was quoted in myI guess that would have been
like 13 or 14 in my very, veryfirst interview with a
newspaper.
And the the interview was a youknow, standard kind of
(11:50):
interview, and then at the endof the interview there was a
little questionnaire like, youknow, what's your favorite food?
What's your favorite song?
What's your favorite this andthat?
And I said Moon River, and Iremember I remember my parents
and my contemporaries at thetime going, Really?
You like that song?
They thought I was gonna picklike a rock song or something,
you know.
Yeah, no, I like that.
I love that song.
Kind of an odd thing for me tosay at that time.
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I think I remember hearing itas a as a child.
That song was kind ofomnipresent growing up, you
know.
Whether it's it was Saturdayafternoon matinee movies that
were on TV or just the radio,probably AM, AM radio.
And that melody just alwayssent me off somewhere.
It was just such a a dreamymelody and lyrics, you know.
If I was asked whose version,it was like, I don't know.
(12:33):
I mean, there's so manydifferent versions.
Do it.
Is it the Andy Williamsversion?
Is it the Frank Sinatraversion?
I actually love the Frank Oceanversion, is the one that I
really love because it's verykind of like it's almost like
abstract, but you still get thesong.
It's just one of those songs.
It's it's such a beautiful setof chords and it evokes like
melancholy, I think is somethingthat I kind of lean into.
Cheryl Lee (12:55):
It's nostalgic.
It obviously touched yourheart.
Mark Lizzote (12:58):
Yeah, you know, and the other song I remember
from a kid growing up was Alfie,you know, that song.
But I think it's Petula Clark.
Another just beautiful killermelody.
I think Burt Bacharach mighthave written that one.
Yeah, I just love those kind ofmelodies that just kind of go
here and there and then sort ofhave those little twists and
tones and a melancholy and sortof bright but dark at the same
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time.
That's how I describe them.
So yeah, it's reallysurprising.
It's like, wow, a lot of peoplelove that song.
But I guess not surprisingbecause I I think a music
historian will would say, like,well, it was the most popular
song for blah blah blah blahblah, and it's been recorded a
hundred thousand times and blahblah blah.
Okay, okay.
It is one of the most popularsongs of all.
Cheryl Lee (13:36):
It's a classic.
Mark Lizzote (13:38):
Yeah, okay, you know.
Cheryl Lee (13:39):
All right.
Mark Lizzote (13:40):
I just don't expect in 2025 that people
still be, you know.
Cheryl Lee (13:44):
Interesting.
I'm sure there's actuallyprobably even more than one, but
if you you got probably acouple that are asked for every
single show without question.
Mark Lizzote (13:54):
My God, you know, it's always crying shame, tip of
my tongue.
Those two are like two of many.
I guess I'm lucky I don't havejust two singles.
But they're definitely onesthat are, yeah, you know, I I
get it.
You're gonna hear those songs,so don't come to the show and
start yelling that out like twosongs in, please.
Because I'm going to play them.
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It's like going to someone'shouse and walking in and going,
Where's dessert?
It's like we haven't had dinneryet, you know.
Cheryl Lee (14:21):
Patience.
Mark Lizzote (14:22):
Yeah, just chill.
Cheryl Lee (14:23):
You're having a little bit of a break over the
Christmas New Year.
Are you having a break or isthere any like new music maybe
happening?
Mark Lizzote (14:32):
Yeah, well, you know, that's usually what I do.
Um I have a really hard timedisengaging completely from
music.
I don't think I ever haveactually, to be honest.
Even when I'm on holidays, Ijust keep dabbling away.
But I'm lucky I don't have ajob where I have to like really
say, I am not gonna look at mywork for like three weeks, you
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know.
I need a holiday.
My work is my my passion, it'smy hobby, it's your life.
Yeah, so but yes, you know, Ido kind of uh clear my head a
little bit, of course, you know.
I tend to uh listen to a lot ofother people's music.
I I dig into my music fan sideof me, you know, like that's
what I've I've always been.
So as a kid, I just love tolisten to other people's music.
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So it's good, you know, likejust getting into get into other
things, you know, reading,watching movies, stuff I've
always loved, basically.
Maybe a little bit of a littlebit of baking here and there.
I love I do love baking.
Cheryl Lee (15:25):
And spending some time with the family, I guess.
Mark Lizzote (15:27):
Oh, absolutely.
Cheryl Lee (15:28):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (15:29):
It's all about that, friends and family, and I
just love the weather going intothe summer until it becomes
like fully blown in summer, andthen it's like quite humid, but
even that, you gotta justembrace it.
I find that the early the earlypart of the day is always the
nicest.
This typical Sydney humidityreally like becomes quite
oppressive.
Like just I just get up earlyand make the most of the first
part of the day because that'sthat that's usually a really
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nice part.
Cheryl Lee (15:52):
We better talk about these tour dates.
You start on Friday, the 30thof Jan in Tassie, and you go
everywhere, man.
You are in our beautiful townon the 21st of March at the
Dunstan Playhouse at theAdelaide Festival Center, and
you finish up at the end ofApril in the Sydney Opera House.
Mark Lizzote (16:12):
Normally, yeah, it's a nice way to finish.
Come home, slide back into homebase.
Yeah, knowing that the Dunstanis what it is, because you
think, oh, we're gonna have agood night there.
You know, the room is justgreat, the production's great.
I know people like going there.
It's not easy to always get thenight that you want or the
booking, it's it's so hard toget bookings in that venue
because everyone's trying tobook it at the same time.
(16:34):
It's like a lot of theaters inthis country.
But excited about that, excitedabout Alice Springs, which is
just before then, because Ihaven't been to Alice Springs
for 20 something years.
Cheryl Lee (16:43):
Wow.
Mark Lizzote (16:43):
Yeah, it really is that long.
Crazy.
It's nuts.
Again, at Araluen Theatre looksbeautiful on spec, so excited
about that one.
Cheryl Lee (16:51):
Yeah.
You can get tickets atdieselmusic.com.
The month after you finish,it's the big 6-0.
I had my 6-0 earlier this year.
Any plans for a bigcelebration?
Mark Lizzote (17:04):
You know what?
I have never planned birthdays,so who knows?
But yeah, I'm not as bad assome people that I know that
literally just disappear.
I'm really like sort of like uhlow key.
Every day is a birthday,basically.
Every day that you're here onthis planet is a birthday.
Cheryl Lee (17:20):
Every day above ground's a good day.
Mark Lizzote (17:22):
Oh my god, absolutely.
Cheryl Lee (17:24):
In 2018, you celebrated 30 years in the
industry with the release of the30-track compilation album 30
the greatest hits.
Well, a couple of years we'llbe knocking on 40.
So what's planned for that?
Mark Lizzote (17:37):
I don't know.
Again, I don't not big onplanning, so yeah, I don't know.
Some kind of retrospective, I'msure.
I hope.
Cheryl Lee (17:45):
You got time.
Mark Lizzote (17:45):
I do, you know.
That's no guarantees, as theysay.
So yeah, I I look at that likethis how far ahead of me at a
time.
You know, that's about all Ican deal with.
You know, that seems to workfor me.
So I do have another record inthe in the pipe, though, as I
say.
Cheryl Lee (17:58):
Is that a scoop?
Did they hear it first here?
I haven't said too much aboutit, but 2026 is the is my hope.
So because that'll betechnically three, well, almost
three years.
It'll be like two and a halfyears, probably technically,
because I've released bootlegmelancholy kind of towards the
end of 2023.
So so but yeah, 20 somethingmonths is definitely enough time
for another record, I think.
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Then you'll have to tour that.
Mark Lizzote (18:20):
No doubt.
Cheryl Lee (18:21):
Excellent.
I don't think I've asked youthis question previously in the
last two times we spoke.
You've done a fewcollaborations in your time.
Is there anybody like dead oralive that you really would have
liked to or would like tocollaborate with?
Mark Lizzote (18:35):
I'd love to collaborate with Thelma Plum.
I'm just totally enamored byher songwriting.
Cheryl Lee (18:40):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (18:40):
Just everything that she puts out and just gets
better and better.
I think her recordings, she'son an amazing, amazing
trajectory.
Cheryl Lee (18:47):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (18:48):
But I'm really lucky, like this year, I I've
gotten to collaborate with a fewartists that I didn't see
coming, which was great.
Like three percent.
I collaborated with with umthree percent in March, I think
it was, or April.
And then uh after that, MelindaSchneider, who I've known for a
while, she's she's a beautifulhuman.
She got me in on on track thatshe wanted me to do a duet on,
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so I've dueted with her on asong.
So that's been a real bonus.
I love dueting, especially withwith a voice like Melinda's.
Cheryl Lee (19:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Mark Lizzote (19:16):
It was really nice hearing our voices together.
And and and I you know bustedsome guitar out, of course.
Cheryl Lee (19:21):
Yeah, of course.
I was just wondering how thechildren were going, because is
Lily still singing?
Mark Lizzote (19:27):
Yeah, Lily's still doing music.
Jesse's doing his photography.
Cheryl Lee (19:31):
Photography, yeah.
So the very arty farty likedad.
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (19:35):
The arts and farts, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, look, doesn'talways happen, but the apples
haven't fallen too far in the inthis family.
So it's it's great because mywife has worked in in
photography as producing foryears, so she has knowledge and
skills in that department.
And yeah, we're all quitecreative, and it's a beautiful
thing to when you can sort ofshare stuff with your with your
kids, and vice versa.
Um, you know, I learned so muchfrom them.
Cheryl Lee (19:56):
Well, I've clearly inherited the uh family DNA.
Mark Lizzote (20:00):
Yeah, exactly.
Cheryl Lee (20:02):
Yeah.
Mark Lizzote (20:02):
I always think that, you know, you can't take
credit for your kids.
If they're they're they'retheir own people, you know.
They're just yeah, they'redefinitely version 2.0 though,
you know what I mean?
They're better versions of us.
Cheryl Lee (20:13):
And you're very proud of them, obviously.
Mark Lizzote (20:15):
Yeah, yeah.
It's the best work I've done,that's what I say.
Cheryl Lee (20:18):
It's our most important job, right?
Mark Lizzote (20:20):
Oh, totally.
My favorite job.
Cheryl Lee (20:22):
Yeah, that's right.
Talking about producing, Idon't know if I knew this
before, but you actually haveproduced for Richard Clapton and
Vika and Linda and any others?
Mark Lizzote (20:31):
Yeah, Imogen Clark.
When I'm put on the spot, it'sI can never think of the others
I'll work with, but I have yeah,produced a lot for a lot of
artists.
Cheryl Lee (20:39):
You got lots of feathers in your cap.
Mark Lizzote (20:41):
Yeah, look, it's you know, I love doing that sort
of work.
I get to kind of yeah, exercisedifferent muscles that I don't
get to use when doing my ownstuff, you know.
Cheryl Lee (20:49):
Yeah.
I know you're extremely busy atthe moment.
I'm sure my time is up.
I really appreciate youspending some time in the Zoom
room with me.
No worries.
I'm looking forward to seeingyou in March, down the front at
the Festival Theatre.
Mark Lizzote (21:02):
We'll be straight from Alice Springs.
Cheryl Lee (21:04):
Very cool.
Well, all the best with thetour.
I'll see you midway through.
Mark Lizzote (21:08):
Beautiful.
Thank you so much.
Cheryl Lee (21:10):
Thank you, Mark.
Both now have a great day.
Mark Lizzote (21:12):
You too.
You are listening to StillRockin' It, the podcast with
Cheryl Lee.
Cheryl Lee (21:20):
We're going to leave you with Diesel's favourite
version of Moon River.
Here it is by Frank Ocean.
You're with Cheryl Lee, thatradio chick.
(21:40):
Thank you so much for joiningme on the Still Rocking It
podcast.
Hope to catch you again nexttime.
Get out when you can, supportAussie music, and I'll see you
down the front.
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