January 10, 2025 • 72 mins
One of the most infamous and intriguing events in American history, the OJ Simpson Trial, still sparks debate to this day. Did OJ Simpson actually commit the brutal murders of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman? In Part 1 of this series, we dive into the investigation and the evidence that pointed to OJ as the prime suspect and ultimately the trial that captivated millions. From the leather glove to the infamous low-speed car chase, we examine the key pieces of evidence that had many convinced of OJ's guilt. But was he truly guilty, or was he the victim of a corrupt justice system? Join us as we explore the twists and turns of this captivating case.
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Happy 420! I'm Kai and I'm QueenRever and you're watching Stoned Cold Murder.
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Welcome back to Stone Cold Murder Season 3 Episode 9 Part 1.
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I said smooth. Smooth, smooth. How are you?
Well, I just won't ask you how you are.
No, you can ask me how I am, but it was just funny that you were like smooth, smooth. How are you?
How are you? I'm good, good.
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Are you sure? Okay, yep.
You're so sure, so very sure. I'm just going to talk in monotone now.
I am so sure.
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You are so funny.
Okay. Anyway.
Anyway, I'm doing good. How are you? That was better than mine.
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It was worse because.
Okay. How are you?
I'm good.
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We just will stop asking how we are.
Good brother, man.
Brother, my answer.
Brother, my answer. Smart fella that he felt smart.
Fart smeller. How are you?
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I'm good. Yeah, I'm great.
No way you did it the second time.
Oh, kill him. Oh, kill him.
Kill him.
Well, now that we've secured that we're both great and fine and lovely.
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Every time.
It was like this.
So sometimes I like to hide behind the mic. I think I rewatched the episodes that I'm like,
I really did readjust it to like right here. I said, let me hide.
So now thank you.
Thank you so much for coming to Stone Cold Moon episode nine.
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Thanks. Thanks, though.
Say hi.
My microphone is.
Well, I'm not someone's my hand if I get it again, I play with your.
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I'm not that innocent.
I'll slap your hand.
So I get my clip taken away.
I did it.
But you can't take her microphone away.
Do you want to say the episode?
Yes. On June 13th, 1994, right around midnight, police were called to a home.
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That's all I read because they don't want to ruin it.
Well, you could try it out if you don't want me to have a mic, I guess.
No, I'm just salty about my clip. It's OK.
It's OK.
So.
I feel like you just met jealous.
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I literally just said I'm just mad about my.
It's like.
So you're going to double down on it?
Yeah, I'm just like, now I'm mad.
I'm not mad at you, I'm mad that I don't have my clip.
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OK. All right. Well.
Sorry, you can't have your clip, but you have your lip gloss this time.
And now I'm going to play with my hair because my hands have to do something.
Tweedle you thumbs.
Tweedle tum tum one.
I like.
Pay you what I can do, though.
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What?
My family.
My family hate me so bad.
They took away my crib.
Because I'm mad.
That's true.
That's true.
And the other thing is my sister had a baby and I took it over because she passed away
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and then the baby lost its legs and it's all over.
And now it's nothing but a stump.
You crib.
Did you say crab or crib?
My crib, my clip.
My crib.
They took away my crib.
Because I pray too much.
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You do play too much.
Way too much.
Be serious for once in your life.
All right.
She said, girl, what in the fuck?
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What in the fuck?
I don't know.
It's being dramatic, I suppose.
Anyways, now I guess we could start the show since we bullshitted for how long.
And it's a long one.
It's a long one.
Yeah, you guys could get ready because I obviously said part one at the beginning.
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So that implies there's another part.
Would you imagine?
Could you imagine?
Have we ever done a two parter?
No.
The answer is no, we have not.
All right, so that was part one.
We'll see you guys next week.
The longest episode ever.
But you guys, I think we'll be more than happy to tune in to another episode because it is so long.
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We're not going to make you wait a whole week.
We'll give it to you a little before a week.
So it's like an extra little bonus episode before the finale.
It's a boner.
It's a boner, guys.
Ding, ding, ding.
All right.
Hopefully you've had enough time to get high like us.
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Well, me and we can jump into it here.
You got a hair in your lip?
Yeah.
I get my little hairs every time I wear a lip gloss.
I get stale and my little hairs just in my lip gloss.
And keep you at least if you pop him.
And it's always popping.
That is for sure.
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My lips are dry.
Like the Hussarah.
The Hussarah.
It's so weird.
Skaadwal!
Skaadwal!
Skaadwal, dude!
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You know what's so funny?
I watch 1000 Lbs. Sisters and I always laugh because they always make jokes and laugh at themselves.
And I'm like they're always laughing at themselves.
And then we do the episode.
We are just the same.
We are them.
They are us.
Because we really do be cracking ourselves.
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We just be making dumb jokes that nobody else understands.
Yeah, I wonder how many people watch the beginning of our episodes and are like, these fucking
dumb bitches.
I hope they love them.
They're like, a little get to know us.
I hate it here sometimes.
Sc comport.
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W תъbook me.
Yeah, I'm sad now.
My family is really finding me.
They didn't hear my feelings.
How pretty little feelings were hurt.
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Our story starts out on June 13th, 1994.
Right around midnight police were called to a home on South Bundy Drive in Brentwood,
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California.
The caller said that they heard profuse barking coming from outside throughout the night and
this barking began around 10-15pm.
So around 10-55pm someone else who lived a few blocks away that was not the caller found
an Akita dog which is a big fluffy kind of dog.
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I don't know if you've ever seen one but they're cute.
I don't think I have.
No?
Actually our dads had one.
Our dads.
Our dad and uncle had one.
We have multiple dads?
I mean we do have two.
I mean yeah but like.
Not like that.
Anyways.
I have seen those dogs.
I don't know what it is.
Yeah they're cute and fluffy and big.
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So that dog.
That kind of dog which is barking.
Dead dog.
Dead dog.
Can I pet dead dog?
Can I pet dead dog?
No he's sleeping.
Can I pet dead dog?
Yeah.
So they found the barking dog in the street outside their home and the dog was covered
in blood.
It was a big fluffy dog so I can imagine it was probably a mess.
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You know what I mean?
And was like trying to follow this neighbor home and it was clearly distressed and when
that neighbor tried to walk the dog back to the house that it belonged to it like refused.
It like hunkered down and would not go towards the house so he decided just to try and see
if it would walk home with him.
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And since the dog didn't want to go back it did walk back home with the other guy and
he just decided to take it overnight.
And I guess him and his partner got to thinking how weird it was.
The dog was barking so much and covered in blood and it just wasn't like sitting right
with them after a while so they were like maybe we should go check that out again and
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see if the dog will take us back to the house.
Yeah I was going to say that they just like no.
We have this bloody dog now what?
But Sleigh they had common sense.
Yeah.
It took them like about an hour and they were like yeah let's go check.
Yeah at least they like you know.
Yeah.
Didn't just brush it on the rug.
So at around midnight the couple decided to walk the dog back to the house where it had
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been found and they told the police that the dog eventually led them down the street and
that's where they found two adults laying in pools of blood dead outside the home located
on South Bundy Drive.
So immediately they went ahead and ran to call police obviously.
And when police arrived the initial crime scene was absolutely gruesome.
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Like it was bloody.
It was gnarly.
They found 25 year old restaurant waiter Ron Goldman and 35 year old Nicole Brown Simpson
dead in the front yard.
The front door to Nicole's condo was open but there was no signs of a break in or forced
entry to the house.
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Nicole's body was laying face down and barefoot at the bottom of the stairs leading to the
front door and the sidewalk leading to the stairs was covered in blood but her feet were
not covered in blood.
They were completely clean.
So police said based off of this evidence they concluded that she was probably the first
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person attacked and killed and was probably the intended target that night opposed to
Ron and it was her condo too.
So Nicole had been stabbed multiple times in the head and neck and there were very few
defense wounds so it didn't seem like she fought her attacker back.
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So there was like virtually none on her hands.
So you know what that means?
Either she was really caught off guard and didn't have time to react or she knew them.
And probably someone huge too.
You would think that you would get some kind of something but if someone's bigger than
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you then probably not her.
The fatal wound was plunged deep into her neck severing her carotid artery.
There was a large bruise in the center of her upper back that seemed to match a footprint
that was found on her clothing.
So investigators believe that after killing Ron the attacker returned back to Nicole who
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was on the ground and pulled her head back by her hair and slit her throat.
Ouch yeah.
Overkill.
Her larynx could be seen through her wound and on her neck and her C3 vertebrae was severed
as well.
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Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Nearly decapitating Nicole.
That's like really deep.
That's an intense slitting of the throat.
Like I said overkill.
That's not normal.
Not that murder is normal but like that's some hate behind that.
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You know what I mean?
That's not just an attack.
Ron Goldman's body was found under a tree near the fence in the front yard.
Ron had been stabbed multiple times on his upper body and neck and like Nicole there
were very few defensive wounds on his hands as well.
So investigators really figured that neither of them struggled long with the attacker which
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to me that indicates that someone has some type of skill set or that gives them that
advantage over them.
Like you said earlier maybe someone who they knew someone caught them off guard, someone
bigger than them, that type of a thing that would give them the advantage or they were
just bigger than both of them.
Forensic evidence from Los Angeles County coroner alleged that the attacker stabbed
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Ron only with one hand while holding him in a choke hold with the other.
Which is like what the fuck?
I don't know how you really like figure that out as a coroner but somehow they were able
to figure that out and that just seems like it had skill behind it.
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I don't know.
Maybe like a normal person that was just there to like burglar- rob the place.
I got the copy of Bea Gail-Laurie's.
Yes, Bea Gail-Laurie's.
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Yeah I don't think it was just like a robber to speak.
And it just seems like someone's like way bigger than them.
Right.
It has to be something like that because none, just no Joe Blow off the street is just choke
holding someone and stabbing them at the same time.
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That's yeah, that's crazy.
So near Ron's body investigators found a blue knit cap, a left-handed extra large light
leather glove, and an envelope containing the glasses that Ron was returning to Nicole
that night.
So it's just they're returning something.
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So unfortunate.
Yeah.
Detectives actually believe that Ron Goldman walked up to Nicole's house during the murder
and that's what got him killed also because he was a witness to it.
Not that you know he was there together or anything because that is a common thought
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that they were either like sleeping together or seeing each other.
He was there at her house but I do believe they were friends but not close enough to
where he was hanging out there.
He was just there to return her glasses.
Just really sad.
Investigators also found a trail of the attacker's blood in bloody shoe prints that went through
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the back gate.
So it went from the front yard through to the back gate and near the footprints drops
of blood found from the killer.
Apparently they were able to measure the distance between the prints and they determined that
their assailant walked away from the crime scene instead of ran away from the crime scene.
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So I'm not really sure how they did that other than I guess the distance.
Probably when you walk it's like shortest strides and when you run it's like probably
like further apart.
Probably.
Yeah that makes sense.
Different splatters.
Yeah that makes sense too.
Yeah instead of just like straight down drops.
Totally.
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Yeah but I thought that was interesting too that kind of shows that they didn't really
give a fuck.
You know.
After confirming that Nicole was the female victim LAPD commander Keith Bushy ordered
Detective Tom Ling, Philip Vantner, Ron Phillips and Mark Fuhrman to notify OJ Simpson of her
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death.
So OJ was the ex-husband of Nicole and the father of both their kids.
So unfortunately Nicole and OJ's kids were home in the condo at the time of the murder.
At that same condo?
What?
At that same condo?
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At the same condo Nicole and Ron were murdered in.
They were at home sleeping that whole time.
How did their dog get out if the kids were still inside?
The front door was left open.
And the front door had no signs of forced entry or anything like that.
So it seemed like Nicole had opened the door.
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Maybe she was expecting Ron to bring her the glasses, opened the door to attack her and
was murdered and then Ron was also murdered and whoever the attacker was wasn't there
to rob them.
It's crazy that their kids didn't wake up to any of the dog barking or screams.
Yeah.
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Right?
Yeah.
Kids sometimes sleep through a lot though.
How old are their kids?
I didn't look that up.
They're young though, younger like middle school, elementary school age.
Maybe we'll look that up later.
But yeah, I don't know.
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My partner, he slept through a building blowing up in his hometown when he was a kid and it
shook their whole house and broke some of their windows.
Jesus.
It was loud and him and his brother both slept through it.
So it is kind of possible.
Yeah.
And there's a couple cases that they're like, oh yeah, our whole family was murdered in
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the other room and we heard nothing.
Like the kitty cabin murders that I did a couple seasons back that when there was survivors
that didn't wake up.
Yeah, I guess some people are just really heavy sleeping.
But it was crazy that your dog was barking to the point people called about it.
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Right.
It was upset, obviously.
I don't know how people are that heavy of sleepers.
No, I could never.
Because I hear something small outside and I wake up immediately.
So because the children were sleeping and because it was his ex-wife, OJ was notified
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about Nicole's death and the detectives were asked to escort him to the police station
to pick up the children from the police station because they were escorted there as well.
The detectives went to OJ's home and buzzed the intercom for over 30 minutes, but they
received no response.
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So we have to remember that OJ is a former NFL player.
And I can't talk.
So he has a big house that requires you to buzz before you can even get into the driveway.
Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz.
So he wasn't answering for over 30 minutes, but they noted that his car was parked in
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an awkward angle outside the home with its back end more out than the front on the street.
So it was parked parallel, but it was kind of perpendicular.
Or it was supposed to be perpendicular, but it was out a little bit.
And there was blood on the door of his car, which they feared meant that maybe OJ was
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hurt.
Also like Nicole, maybe it was like a planned attack on both of them, you know?
So they feared OJ may have been hurt as well.
And they were instructed to scale the wall of his gate and unlock it, which I don't know.
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They admit that they entered without a search warrant, so maybe that wasn't the best.
But they did admit that they thought it was circumstances that required this specifically
out of fear that someone inside may be injured, which I do understand.
Furman briefly interviewed Cato Cailin, who was living in the guest home on the property
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at that time.
So he wasn't living in the house with OJ, but they had a big little guest house outside
that he was living in.
And Cato told the detectives that the car belonged to OJ.
And earlier that night, he had heard thumps on the wall.
So he walked around the premises to inspect, but found nothing out of the ordinary.
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And Furman found a bloodstained glove, a right handed glove specifically, which was determined
to be the mate of the left hand glove found next to the body of Ron Goldman.
And that was at OJ's house.
So either maybe whoever attacked them did have a planned attack on both of them, got
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to the house and OJ wasn't there and dropped a glove, you know, something of that sort.
Or, you know, maybe someone else dropped it that was at the house.
So this evidence, obviously, along with the presence of blood in the driveway and on OJ's
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vehicle, OJ Simpson's vehicle, this constituted probable cause for a search warrant for the
location that they were at, which was the Simpson home.
And it was applied and granted for them to do so.
So they went ahead and searched his home.
And during all this, OJ was in Chicago, or at least he had just arrived in Chicago at
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the time.
And that's where we'll take our first smoke break.
And this smoke break is brought to you by Noclip.
That's what you literally fucking sound like.
And we're back from our smoke break.
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So before the smoke break, we were talking about OJ being in Chicago or that he had just
arrived in Chicago.
The police went to OJ's home on June 13th and took him to Parker Center Police Station
for questioning.
So he didn't get back until June 13th, and that's when they were able to finally pick
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him up for questioning.
Detective Lang noticed that Simpson had a cut on his finger, on his left hand specifically,
and that he thought it may be consistent with where the killer would have been cut and bleeding
from where they saw those droplets of blood and all that, you know, and on the glove.
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So he asked OJ how he cut his hand.
And OJ claimed that he cut his finger accidentally while in Chicago after learning of Nicole's
death.
But the detective then informed OJ that they actually had found blood in his car.
So they were like, well, we found it before you got back from Chicago, so clearly you
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cut your hand before, not after.
So after that being presented, OJ did admit that he cut his finger on June 12th, so the
day before, but said that he didn't remember how he cut it.
So.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Which I guess could happen, right?
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OJ did voluntarily give some of his own blood for DNA comparison, and then they released
him.
So very short questioning.
I believe they released his children to him as well.
But on June 14th, the next day, OJ hired a lawyer who was Robert Shapiro, and he began
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assembling what everybody referred to as the dream team, which sounds sleazy as fuck, doesn't
it?
Yeah, I don't like that.
No, especially when you're like considering like the crime that was committed.
Like it wasn't just.
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Someone was shot or something like that.
It was deliberate.
It was intentional.
It was gory.
It was bloody.
It was.
You know, it was rough.
Yeah, it's an overkill situation.
So I don't know to be callous, even if even if we're saying he didn't commit this murder,
you know, even if you're the lawyer and being like, oh, I don't think you did this.
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But I think it a dream team is a little.
Yeah, distasteful.
Right.
It is.
Right.
No, you know, next.
So the preliminary results from the DNA test came back with matches to OJ Simpson.
So it matched his DNA type.
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But the district attorney delayed filing charges until they had all of the results back.
So it was just the preliminary results.
They were like, let's make sure all the results match before we go ahead and arrest him.
So Simpson spent June 16th and June 17th at the home of his friend who was Robert Kardashian.
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Yes, the father of Kim.
He was one of the so-called dream team people.
So it was Robert, Mr. Shapiro and several doctors there to attend to what they said
was OJ's mental fragile mental state.
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So they were all tending to OJ at the time.
On June 17th, the detectives recommended that OJ be charged with two counts of first degree
murder with special circumstances of multiple killings after the final DNA results came
back and they came back, obviously matching to him.
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So they went ahead and issued an arrest warrant for OJ because the DNA were results were a
match.
So LAPD notified Shapiro at 830 a.m. that Simpson was to turn himself in that day.
And at 930 a.m. Shapiro went to Robert Kardashian's home to tell him that OJ Simpson would need
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to turn himself in by 11 a.m. that day.
An hour after the murder charges were filed, so they filed those at like 10 a.m. I guess.
OJ told Robert Shapiro that he wanted to turn himself in to which the police agreed.
They were like, yes, that's what we want you to do.
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That's what you should do.
Let's make this easy.
They believe that someone as famous as OJ Simpson wouldn't attempt anything weird.
Of course, we all know that's not the case.
So the police agreed to delay Simpson's surrender until noon to allow him to be seen by a mental
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health specialist, make sure he was doing all right.
And because he was showing signs of suicidal depression.
So they were like, well, we're going to delay this a little bit.
You get checked out as long as you promise to come turn yourself in.
We'll all be good and we can proceed.
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That's so crazy.
Yeah.
They wouldn't do that with like for anybody else.
No, because he's famous.
Yeah, very famous.
So he had updated his will.
He called his mother and his children and he wrote three sealed letters.
One of the letters was to his children, one to his mother, and the other one was to the
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public.
That sounds pretty suspicious to me, not like he's going to turn himself in, in my opinion.
More than a thousand reporters waited for OJ outside the police station.
But surprise, surprise, he did not arrive.
Wow.
Yeah.
He did not come at noon.
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And the LAPD was like, what the fuck?
They did not expect that at all, actually.
So they notified Shapiro that OJ would be arrested at Robert Kardashian's home.
Now that he didn't turn himself in, they were like, we're going to come there.
We're going to arrest him.
He's lost his chance of turning himself in basically.
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So Robert Kardashian and Shapiro told OJ that the police were coming and that they would
be here soon and they arrived about an hour after this call.
But Simpson and his friend Al Cowlings had disappeared completely.
So Al was a former NFL player that had played with OJ and they were good friends at the
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time.
So I don't know if Robert Kardashian and Mr. Shapiro just like left and that's how they
escaped or they just let them leave or what.
But regardless, they were gone.
The three sealed letters OJ had written were left behind at his home.
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And at 1.50 p.m., Commander Dave Gascon of LAPD, he was the chief spokesman there, publicly
declared that OJ was a fugitive and the police issued an all point bulletin for him and his
arrest warrant for Al Cowlings as well.
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At 5 p.m., Robert Kardashian and one of his defense lawyers read Simpson's public letter,
obviously to the public.
In this letter, Simpson sent greetings to 24 different friends and he wrote, end quote,
first, everyone understand I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder.
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He described the fights that he had between Nicole and him and the decision not to fix
their relationship.
And he asked the media as a last wish, quote unquote, not to bother his children.
He wrote to his former girlfriend, who was Paula Barbary, who had just broken up with
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him actually hours before Nicole was murdered.
So they had just broken up, freshly broken up.
He said, quote, I'm sorry, we're not going to have our chance.
As I leave, you'll be in my thoughts.
I can't go on.
And then there was a little apology to the Goldman family, which I thought was very interesting.
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And then the letter ended and he said, don't feel sorry for me.
I've had a great life, great friends.
Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person.
So I don't know, what is, what kind of letter do you feel like that is?
Like a, I'm never coming back.
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Like a letter, right?
Yeah.
And that's what everybody else assumed.
And in my opinion, an innocent person doesn't write a letter.
Yeah.
I'm not saying he did it, but I'm saying in my opinion, I'm not writing a letter and
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thinking about killing myself and writing an apology to Ron's family as well in this
letter.
So why would you have to write an apology to Ron's family?
It's one thing to be like, I am distraught because my wife was murdered.
But why do you have to apologize for Ron?
That's the weird part.
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That's weird as fuck.
So just like you and I, most people assume this is a no.
And you know, like that's pretty much what you would include in this if I'm not mistaken.
Now because OJ and Al are missing, there is now a massive search going on for OJ.
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And during this time, while they're everybody searching for him, Robert and Shapiro, I mean,
Mr. Kardashian and Shapiro went ahead and held a press conference about the whole thing.
In this press conference, they said that he and Simpson's psychiatrist agreed that those
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notes were notes and that OJ was probably planning on doing something drastic that day.
Shapiro went ahead and asked OJ to surrender himself and turn himself into the police and
not to do anything crazy.
Those helicopters joined in on the chase.
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So they had the Los Angeles highway system looking for Al Crowling's automobile, which
was a white 1993 Ford Bronco.
At 5 51 p.m., OJ reportedly called 911 and this call was traced to the Sant Anna freeway
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near Lake Forest.
So he called 911.
It doesn't really say what was said on this call, but they were able to at least figure
out where he was going and like what direction he was going in.
And at around 6 20 p.m., a person driving down Orange County Highway notified California
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Highway Patrol after he saw who he believed to be OJ and a Bronco on I-5 freeway heading
north.
So he's like, hey, I think I've seen the Bronco you guys are talking about.
It's going down north on I-5 freeway, basically.
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So the police tracked the calls placed by Simpson on his cell phone and the call from
the motorist and were able to find out where the Bronco was driving.
So at 6 45 p.m., police officer Ruth Dixon saw the Bronco heading north on Interstate
405.
And when she caught up to it, Al was yelling out that Simpson was in the backseat of the
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vehicle and he was pointing a gun to his own head.
So she police officer Ruth Dixon backed off from the vehicle.
She stopped, you know, pursuing so close and with 20 other police cars following him and
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news helicopters following her, they just chased the Bronco as it drove down.
So this chase was so long that one of the news helicopters ran out of gas and had to
go gas up and they begged a different news place to give them the footage that they had
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lost while they refueled.
So it was like that.
It was all over the news.
It was like prime shit that people wanted.
You know, that's all they wanted to report on.
That was everything, you know, and it was already a high profile case with OJ being
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the main suspect and then him pulling this whole chase thing off.
People were like, what the fuck is going on?
What is happening?
Knowing that Al Crowlings was listening to the news, they came up with a plan.
So they went ahead and had Pete Arberghast, who is a sports announcer, call Simpson's
former USC football coach, who was John McKay, and had him just try and speak to OJ.
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Since he was his former coach, they thought maybe he could talk some sense into him, get
him to calm down, be able to turn himself in and end this police chase.
So it was reported that they both cried and talked a little while.
And while on the phone, OJ told McKay, OK, coach, I won't do anything stupid, I promise.
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Officials tried to figure out how to pursue OJ at this time and try to get him to surrender
peacefully.
Detective Lang, who had interviewed OJ about the murders on June 13th, realized that he
still had his cell phone number at the time.
So they hooked a tape recorder up to the phone and they called him multiple times to try
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to reach him.
Eventually, they were able to call, like get a hold of him, and they were able to capture
a conversation between OJ and Lang.
And they repeatedly pleaded with OJ to throw the gun out of the window.
And they told him to think of his mother, think of his children, you know, think of
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these things before you do something that, you know, think of these things before you
do something that you can't come back from, basically.
So on this phone call, OJ apologized for not turning himself in earlier that day and quote,
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I was the only one who deserved to get hurt.
Just go with Nicole.
I just wanted to go with Nicole.
Just get me to the house.
I need the gun for me.
So that sounds like he's not wanting to turn himself in.
He doesn't want to go to jail.
He's ready to just, you know, be done with the whole situation.
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So the Bronco did eventually make it back to OJ's home.
And as Al was parking in the car, you can hear him calling to OJ to surrender and in
the chase peacefully.
So he's like, hey man, like, it's not worth it.
We might as well just end this.
Just surrender peacefully.
We don't really need to do anything more.
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So this was broadcasted literally everywhere.
And honestly, people just stopped what they were doing everywhere.
Work stopped.
Dentist shit stopped.
Dentist shit?
No, I love how you're just like, work stopped, dentist, they stopped, dentist shit.
You know, like people were watching this everywhere.
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And I didn't, I don't think I put it in this part, but someone calculated how much money
was lost in revenue just by people stopped working to watch this stuff.
It was in the millions.
Yeah.
Which is crazy.
It's like how prolific this type of a thing was.
And it was 1994.
So I'm like, not a lot of this shit happens, you know, or had happened to this point.
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I just thought it was so, so, so funny.
And you just put dentists so specifically.
Dentist shit.
Hey, stop.
They saw the dentist shit, dude.
Every television network showed the chase and local news outlets interrupted regularly
scheduled programming to cover the incident.
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So they were just like, fuck everything.
We're going to show this instead.
So this whole chase was watched by an estimated 95 million viewers nationwide.
95 million people said, yeah, I got to stop and watch this.
And it was crazy because only 90 million had watched that year's Super Bowl.
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That's crazy.
It's crazy.
People were invested in this shit, which I understand why it's scandalous for sure.
During all this craziness, the NBA finals were going on actually.
And so they had one station, Bob Costa acted as a go between between Marv Albert, who was
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calling the game, the NBA game, and Tom Brockow, who was reporting on the chase.
So this event was on a split screen on the show.
So they had the NBA finals on one side and the chase on the other.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Could you imagine?
No.
You're like sitting there like watching both.
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Yeah, like, oh my God, they're so cheesy.
And they thankfully had this guy being the go between between the two.
So you knew exactly what was going on.
What a time.
The between between.
Yeah, the between man.
The between the tween.
Between the tween.
Between the two, OK.
Between the tween and I was tween.
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Not only was the chase broadcasted everywhere nationwide, but it was also broadcasted internationally,
including France and China.
Dang, what the heck?
People were like glued to the screen.
There were thousands of spectators and onlookers packed on overpasses along the route of which
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they were chasing OJ like a fucking marathon.
People were holding signs out for OJ.
It says go OJ and save the juice.
Yeah.
People.
And you know, it comes with how beloved OJ was a person.
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And I'll get into that later.
Like just how much people really loved OJ and were shocked that he did this.
But like that's people were really just going to say, no, let him go.
Please.
That's just so stupid.
This is what I hate.
Like you can have your like celebrities that you like and whatever, you know.
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Yeah.
But it's not like obsessive over someone where if they're like on trial or trying to get
arrested for murder where you're like, oh no, let him go.
It's OJ Simpson.
Just so crazy to me.
Like what?
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like just how like obsessed people are over celebrities.
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Yeah.
Celebrities in general.
And then it's like sometimes even the murders, once they become murderous, people then become
even more obsessed, which is like disgusting.
A whole nother thing.
It's disgusting.
Disgusting.
Hmm.
Like I think of the Night Stalker specifically, Richard Ramirez, and how many people like
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threw themselves at him and how gross he was.
Like not only was he like a disgusting murder serial killer, but some of his victims said
that his breath smelt like wet leather.
And I just can't like and the way he looked, I just like I can't imagine that you would
be throwing like flinging yourself at this man.
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Yeah.
What people do.
People are psycho.
And not to mention that OJ was not the Night Stalker.
He wasn't a serial killer.
He was a beloved football player, a beloved pillar in the black community because he was
a spokesperson for a lot of things that black people weren't allowed to be spokesperson
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for, people for.
And he was like a trendsetter for a lot of these things.
So a lot of people held him in a high regard because of these things.
But he also sucks.
You know what I mean?
Like you can love him and then be like, OK, now you deserve what you get, you know, type
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of a thing.
There's no reason to still worship him after exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, I don't get that with people with celebrities and like.
I don't get it either.
It's just like sometimes like the shittiest people get more famous after people find out
how shitty they are.
It's just like.
Well, because some people say all publicity is good publicity.
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I hate that.
It's like it is true in a regard because people just love drama.
People love crazy, scandalous things.
I hate it.
I hate it so much.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
So that's where we'll take our second smoke break.
And this smoke break is brought to you by Beans.
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What the fuck?
And we're back.
We're back.
So we were talking about people saying weird and save the juice.
Yeah, exactly.
The juice, Mr. OJ.
Yeah.
So back at OJ's home, he was reportedly demanding to be allowed to speak to his mother before
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he would surrender, which I get.
I do get that.
I'm not going to lie.
So the chase ended around eight at his Brentwood estate where 27 SWAT officers awaited for
his surrender.
It's crazy.
They were not playing around.
They were like, you will surrender this time.
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OJ remained in the Bronco for about 45 minutes after the chase ended.
And then he finally exited at about 8 50 p.m. and then went inside his home for about an
hour where he was allowed to call his mother at that time.
So Robert Shapiro then arrived and Simpson finally surrendered to authorities a few minutes
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after his arrival.
In the Bronco, police found eight thousand dollars in cash, a change of clothes and a
loaded three fifty seven magnum, a United States passport, family photos and a disguise
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kit with a fake goatee and mustache.
Come on, come on.
A fake goatee and mustache is a lot.
You might as well like bought those glasses with the big nose and mustache.
Exactly.
And who are we kidding?
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Is OJ going to have be disguised in any way?
There's no way.
Yeah, it was a try.
Bro, that was.
It was something.
It's a choice.
You're right.
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So finally, yeah, I just I can't stand the thought of him in a fake goatee and mustache.
I just feel like it wasn't even the right color or anything.
Yeah.
Imagine it's one of those girly ones.
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The handlebar.
Bro.
OK.
So eventually, OJ was booked and he was booked at Park Center and then he was taken eventually
to Men's Central Jail after that.
Al Crowlings was also booked on suspicion of harboring a fugitive and he was held on
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twenty five thousand dollar bail.
No, write that number again.
Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So Al Crowlings was also booked on suspicion of harboring a fugitive and he was held on
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two hundred and fifty thousand dollar bail.
Yeah.
Which I think is fair since he was driving that.
On June 20th, OJ was arraigned and pleaded not guilty to both murders and he was held
without bail.
The following day, a grand jury called to determine whether to indict him for the two
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murders.
But it was dismissed.
So they didn't end up doing any of that.
So then on June twenty third, as a result of excessive media coverage that could influence
the neutrality of the case, authorities held a probable cause hearing to determine whether
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to bring Simpson to trial or not, which is crazy.
But it makes sense because it really isn't fair to have that type of media coverage for
a case like a murder case.
You know, it's really not because any other human.
Yes, it would be covered, but to that extent, probably not.
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So to be fair, it is good that they at least considered that.
I will give them that.
But what does that even mean?
What?
What part?
Like if they decided not to bring him to trial, do they just book him and he's just like,
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yeah, you're for sure.
Or do they let him go?
It would depend, I think, on the judge.
But it could go where he would just be let go because they did too much and tainted the
outcome of the trial, so to speak.
That's also not fair either, though.
It's not.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah.
And this case doesn't get handled fairly, to be honest, on either side, in my opinion.
I feel like it got way blown out of proportion and people forgot that it was a murder case.
You know, they forget what happened and they can get their feelings and emotions all tied
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up to one thing or another and it turns it into a clown show like a circus clown show.
Same thing, I guess.
But same shit, different air freshener.
Exactly.
Little Wayne.
We don't play boy.
I ain't Hugh Hefner.
So California Superior Court Judge Kathleen Kennedy Powell ruled on July 7th that there
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was sufficient evidence to bring OJ to trial for the murders.
Slay.
Yeah.
So now we're going to get into some of the evidence found and the days leading up to
the trial and then finally OJ's trial in the case.
Jose Camcho of Ross Cutlery provided store receipts showing Simpson had purchased a 12
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inch de Leto knife six weeks before the murders.
The knife was recovered and determined to be similar to the ones the coroner said could
be the ones that made the stab wound.
The prosecution did not present this evidence at trial because someone sold the information
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to the National Enquirer for like twelve thousand dollars.
So you can't really use that.
Yeah which is like where this bullshit like gets tied up is like you forget that it's
a murder case and you shouldn't be selling this kind of information before.
I mean you shouldn't be doing it at all but especially before the trial.
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That's literally poor taste.
Yeah that's stupid.
Evidence on the knife determined that an oil was used and it was specifically an oil that
was used on new cutlery.
So this was still present on the knife and they indicated that it had never been used
because of this.
So they said we don't think that this was the use the murder weapon used because the
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oil still present and no blood.
Former NFL player and pastor Rossi Greer visited Simpson on November 13th at the Los Angeles
County Jail and a jailhouse guard who was Jeff Stewart testified to a judge that at
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one point Simpson yelled to Greer that he didn't mean to do it.
After which Greer had urged Simpson to come clean about the entire thing.
Judge Lance Ayato ruled that the evidence was admissible as being protected because
the clergy it was a clergy patient like confidentiality issue.
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So no he wasn't the patient but he is someone that's working there so it's not admissible
in court because of that if that makes sense.
Because in the same breath you could just make shit up.
You know what I mean.
At first Simpson's defense used a horrible story basically saying that someone hired
a hitman by drug dealers and had murdered Nicole and Ron because drugs basically.
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Drugs.
Yeah.
So they gave.
Sorry.
They just said that they gave quote Nicole a Columbia necktie which I feel like is in
poor taste to say that too.
What the fuck.
Uh huh.
And they were looking instead of Nicole being the target in the case they were actually
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looking for Nicole's friend who was Fay who was a known cocaine user quote unquote and
failed to pay for her drugs.
What?
Yeah.
So Fay had stayed at Nicole's condo for a few days because she was going into rehab
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and this was a few days before the killing.
So did she use drugs and need to go to rehab.
Yes.
Did this mean drug dealers were after her and killed Nicole because she didn't pay for
drugs.
Not necessarily.
Could that happen.
Sure.
But there's like other evidence that doesn't lead to that so.
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Exactly.
So had something like that happen maybe we would have seen forced entry into the house
more defense wound that type of scenario opposed to someone really thinking it was a single
killer.
You know this is not a case where they think it's a multiple killer.
Yeah.
Situation and I don't know.
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It's just it's a different way less like of a possibility.
Right.
So all of the blood evidence that they had at your OJ's house and it matched.
Right.
So it's like right.
It doesn't.
Yeah.
So it was ruled that the drug killer theory drug dealer killer theory was highly speculative
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and it had no evidence to support it obviously.
And because there wasn't enough evidence to support that claim.
Attio bared it from the court from anybody hearing it from the jury hearing it and prohibited
Christian rhetoric from testifying about his former girlfriend and her drug problems which
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was Faye.
So Rose Lopez stated on August 18th that she saw OJ Simpson's Bronco parked outside his
house at the time of the murders supporting his claim that he was home that night.
But during cross examination by Clark Lopez she admitted this was not true and she wasn't
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exactly sure what time she saw his vehicle his Bronco but they still use her in the defense
testimony which is very interesting even though she admitted she had no idea.
And however they had a tape statement from Miss Lopez on July 29th that did not mention
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anything about seeing the Bronco but it did mention another housekeeper who was also there
that night who was Sylvia Gira.
Prosecutors then spoke to Sylvia who said that she thought Rose was lying.
So I thought that was interesting.
She said that she claimed that the defense offered both Sylvia and Rose five thousand
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dollars to say that the Bronco was there that night.
No no.
Shady.
You don't need to do that if you're innocent.
I'll just say that right there.
So when Judge Otto warned the defense that Miss Sylvia's claim as well as the earlier
statement did not mention the Bronco at all in the tape where Clark claims that Rose clearly
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stated that it was there.
They stated that it was clearly a sign of her being coached into what to say and not
her just saying the information that she knew.
So because of this they dropped her from their witness list which is a good move on their
part.
Yeah.
It would be stupid if they tried to do that.
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You know.
Now to kind of put you in the mindset of the time this was a huge thing.
It was on every channel replacing regular scheduled soap operas and shows and people
were invested in this case.
Not only were people invested people were divided on the whole case too.
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It was not a pretty sight like people were either really upset that OJ was being convicted
of this and accused of it or that you know they didn't think that he was being punished
enough basically.
People were very divided on this whole thing.
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And after all OJ was a very beloved and cherished pillar of the black community.
He was a trendsetter a role model a renowned football player and was and is considered
one of the best running backs of all time.
So we you know we can kind of understand why people were divided but you know we're not
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to the trial yet.
So I guess after the trial I don't get being divided on it.
But like before the trial before he's all the evidence is presented like sure.
So one of the producers of NBC's Today said the murder trial was quote the biggest story
he had ever seen.
So this trial received extensive media coverage from the very beginning and it had an instant
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book that was proposed two hours after the bodies were found.
What the fuck?
I'm telling you two hours.
They didn't even it was like even scheduled to publish only a few weeks later too.
That's like Stephen King type shit.
Yeah and poor Ron and Nicole hadn't even been in the ground.
They weren't even cold yet before that was offered.
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I don't like that.
No it's gross.
It's greedy.
It's gross.
It's money hungry greedy yucky people.
Yeah it's yucky yucky yucky.
No I don't like that.
They don't profit off of people's murders.
Like we don't.
It's gross.
I don't know.
It's cool to like bring light to the murders like you know but not to like make.
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Exploit.
You know you don't exploit them.
Yeah.
It's pure exploitment and it's poor taste.
Like I find it okay to do like documentaries like after the fact but two hours later is
criminal.
Yeah and obviously we're here doing a podcast so like.
That's fine but two hours.
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Yeah.
You know what I mean.
Two hours is absurd.
And a few weeks after to like schedule to publish it is insane.
It's wrong.
Yeah I don't like that.
It's wrong.
Yeah.
Disgusting.
So the nightly news broadcasts from three big television networks gave more airtime
to the OJ case than the Bosnian war and the Oklahoma City bombing combined.
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Which I think that says all we need to know about like this country and like what we truly
care about because don't get me wrong I don't think it's an issue to be interested in this
kind of thing.
This kind of case.
This kind of you know craziness that happened because it's a huge case.
It's got weird circumstances and a big celebrity.
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But to think about more coverage on a football player than a whole ass war and a massacre.
Like yeah it's insane to me.
The Oklahoma City bombing was one of the deadliest massacres that's happened to our country.
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Like it's huge.
It was huge.
And like if you guys don't know about it like I do suggest to educate yourself on it and
you know read up about it.
But like it's crazy to me that the one person could take away the light from a war.
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From this whole bombing that happened that killed mass amounts of people opposed to like
one person.
I'm not saying that her and Ron don't deserve this but in the same breath like what the
fuck?
No that's insane to think about.
And for them combined too is crazy.
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Interest in the case was worldwide.
Russian President Boris Yeltsin first question to President Clinton when they met in 1995
was do you think OJ did it?
That's crazy.
It's crazy right?
Like I'm not I don't know that's wild.
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He said hello Mr. Clinton do you think OJ did it?
Yeah that's insane.
Nice to meet you.
Do you think OJ did it?
Yeah I know.
Two world leaders getting together and that's the first thing is crazy.
Hello.
Like what?
Okay anyways.
So there was a whole issue to whether or not they should allow video cameras in court room
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because at this time this would be like the first case in history to be allowed to use
video cameras or like one of them you know.
So Judge Yato had decided ultimately ruling that live camera coverage would be allowed
in the case which is also a crazy move on his part and he was later highly criticized
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for this decision by other legal professionals saying that yeah that was probably not like
in the best days.
Sorry my butt hurt.
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The trial was covered in 2237 new segments from 1994 to 1997.
So like they ran that shit into the ground over and over and over.
The judge was also criticized for allowing the trial to become a media circus and not
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doing enough to regulate the court proceedings and being sure it's a fair trial.
Which I agree with.
I completely agree with.
On June 27th 1994 Time published a cover story named quote an American tragedy with a photo
of OJ on the cover.
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Time's cover image was darker than a typical magazine cover and darker than the original
photo as shown on a Newsweek cover released at the same time.
So they time consequently became the subject of a media scandal because of this because
they doctored the photo on the front cover.
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Commentators found that its staff had used the photo manipulation to darken the photo
and that they speculated it was to make Simpson appear more menacing after the publication
of the photo drew widespread criticism of racist editorializing.
Time publicly apologized for the photo manipulation.
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And I know what you guys are some of y'all are thinking like well there's not really
an issue for editing photos how they wish.
You know that people can do that but like I say absolutely not to that because these
kind of things are they subs subtly is what I'm trying to say sway opinions on things
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subconsciously.
That's what I was going to say.
Yes even like the darkest hue of something just makes it more eerie.
Yeah that's what they do for movies and comic books and things like that to show that this
is the bad guy.
This is the protagonist as you I mean the antagonist as you will.
Like yeah you could say that they could do whatever they want with their photo but no
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like when someone hasn't been to trial yet and hasn't been convicted of this thing you
can't put those things out there subconsciously.
After the fact.
After the fact.
Sure.
I don't think that that's as bad.
I would agree with you.
I think after the fact you do what you please.
Maybe not completely drawing horns on someone or something shitty like that.
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Like if someone's a bad person and you make them seem what they are they kind of are what
they are.
Right.
But you wait until after the trial and all that kind of stuff right?
This was before the trial and before it had even started.
So I think with like trials like this it's important to keep an unbiased opinion to receive
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the proper justice for the victim when you use these little tricks like this it truly
like taints the whole thing.
So that is where in part one part two will be coming at you in just a few days.
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Wild wild wild.
So see you there.
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Noti noti noti ding ding.
Now I can put my lip gloss on.
Put that lip gloss on girl.
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Welcome back to Stone Cold Murder Season 3 Episode 9 Part 1.
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I said smooth. Smooth, smooth. How are you?
Well, I just won't ask you how you are.
No, you can ask me how I am, but it was just funny that you were like smooth, smooth. How are you?
How are you? I'm good, good.
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Are you sure? Okay, yep.
You're so sure, so very sure. I'm just going to talk in monotone now.
I am so sure.
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You are so funny.
Okay. Anyway.
Anyway, I'm doing good. How are you? That was better than mine.
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It was worse because.
Okay. How are you?
I'm good.
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We just will stop asking how we are.
Good brother, man.
Brother, my answer.
Brother, my answer. Smart fella that he felt smart.
Fart smeller. How are you?
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I'm good. Yeah, I'm great.
No way you did it the second time.
Oh, kill him. Oh, kill him.
Kill him.
Well, now that we've secured that we're both great and fine and lovely.
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Every time.
It was like this.
So sometimes I like to hide behind the mic. I think I rewatched the episodes that I'm like,
I really did readjust it to like right here. I said, let me hide.
So now thank you.
Thank you so much for coming to Stone Cold Moon episode nine.
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Thanks. Thanks, though.
Say hi.
My microphone is.
Well, I'm not someone's my hand if I get it again, I play with your.
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I'm not that innocent.
I'll slap your hand.
So I get my clip taken away.
I did it.
But you can't take her microphone away.
Do you want to say the episode?
Yes. On June 13th, 1994, right around midnight, police were called to a home.
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That's all I read because they don't want to ruin it.
Well, you could try it out if you don't want me to have a mic, I guess.
No, I'm just salty about my clip. It's OK.
It's OK.
So.
I feel like you just met jealous.
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I literally just said I'm just mad about my.
It's like.
So you're going to double down on it?
Yeah, I'm just like, now I'm mad.
I'm not mad at you, I'm mad that I don't have my clip.
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OK. All right. Well.
Sorry, you can't have your clip, but you have your lip gloss this time.
And now I'm going to play with my hair because my hands have to do something.
Tweedle you thumbs.
Tweedle tum tum one.
I like.
Pay you what I can do, though.
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What?
My family.
My family hate me so bad.
They took away my crib.
Because I'm mad.
That's true.
That's true.
And the other thing is my sister had a baby and I took it over because she passed away
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and then the baby lost its legs and it's all over.
And now it's nothing but a stump.
You crib.
Did you say crab or crib?
My crib, my clip.
My crib.
They took away my crib.
Because I pray too much.
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You do play too much.
Way too much.
Be serious for once in your life.
All right.
She said, girl, what in the fuck?
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What in the fuck?
I don't know.
It's being dramatic, I suppose.
Anyways, now I guess we could start the show since we bullshitted for how long.
And it's a long one.
It's a long one.
Yeah, you guys could get ready because I obviously said part one at the beginning.
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So that implies there's another part.
Would you imagine?
Could you imagine?
Have we ever done a two parter?
No.
The answer is no, we have not.
All right, so that was part one.
We'll see you guys next week.
The longest episode ever.
But you guys, I think we'll be more than happy to tune in to another episode because it is so long.
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We're not going to make you wait a whole week.
We'll give it to you a little before a week.
So it's like an extra little bonus episode before the finale.
It's a boner.
It's a boner, guys.
Ding, ding, ding.
All right.
Hopefully you've had enough time to get high like us.
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Well, me and we can jump into it here.
You got a hair in your lip?
Yeah.
I get my little hairs every time I wear a lip gloss.
I get stale and my little hairs just in my lip gloss.
And keep you at least if you pop him.
And it's always popping.
That is for sure.
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My lips are dry.
Like the Hussarah.
The Hussarah.
It's so weird.
Skaadwal!
Skaadwal!
Skaadwal, dude!
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You know what's so funny?
I watch 1000 Lbs. Sisters and I always laugh because they always make jokes and laugh at themselves.
And I'm like they're always laughing at themselves.
And then we do the episode.
We are just the same.
We are them.
They are us.
Because we really do be cracking ourselves.
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We just be making dumb jokes that nobody else understands.
Yeah, I wonder how many people watch the beginning of our episodes and are like, these fucking
dumb bitches.
I hope they love them.
They're like, a little get to know us.
I hate it here sometimes.
Sc comport.
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W תъbook me.
Yeah, I'm sad now.
My family is really finding me.
They didn't hear my feelings.
How pretty little feelings were hurt.
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Our story starts out on June 13th, 1994.
Right around midnight police were called to a home on South Bundy Drive in Brentwood,
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California.
The caller said that they heard profuse barking coming from outside throughout the night and
this barking began around 10-15pm.
So around 10-55pm someone else who lived a few blocks away that was not the caller found
an Akita dog which is a big fluffy kind of dog.
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I don't know if you've ever seen one but they're cute.
I don't think I have.
No?
Actually our dads had one.
Our dads.
Our dad and uncle had one.
We have multiple dads?
I mean we do have two.
I mean yeah but like.
Not like that.
Anyways.
I have seen those dogs.
I don't know what it is.
Yeah they're cute and fluffy and big.
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So that dog.
That kind of dog which is barking.
Dead dog.
Dead dog.
Can I pet dead dog?
Can I pet dead dog?
No he's sleeping.
Can I pet dead dog?
Yeah.
So they found the barking dog in the street outside their home and the dog was covered
in blood.
It was a big fluffy dog so I can imagine it was probably a mess.
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You know what I mean?
And was like trying to follow this neighbor home and it was clearly distressed and when
that neighbor tried to walk the dog back to the house that it belonged to it like refused.
It like hunkered down and would not go towards the house so he decided just to try and see
if it would walk home with him.
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And since the dog didn't want to go back it did walk back home with the other guy and
he just decided to take it overnight.
And I guess him and his partner got to thinking how weird it was.
The dog was barking so much and covered in blood and it just wasn't like sitting right
with them after a while so they were like maybe we should go check that out again and
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see if the dog will take us back to the house.
Yeah I was going to say that they just like no.
We have this bloody dog now what?
But Sleigh they had common sense.
Yeah.
It took them like about an hour and they were like yeah let's go check.
Yeah at least they like you know.
Yeah.
Didn't just brush it on the rug.
So at around midnight the couple decided to walk the dog back to the house where it had
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been found and they told the police that the dog eventually led them down the street and
that's where they found two adults laying in pools of blood dead outside the home located
on South Bundy Drive.
So immediately they went ahead and ran to call police obviously.
And when police arrived the initial crime scene was absolutely gruesome.
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Like it was bloody.
It was gnarly.
They found 25 year old restaurant waiter Ron Goldman and 35 year old Nicole Brown Simpson
dead in the front yard.
The front door to Nicole's condo was open but there was no signs of a break in or forced
entry to the house.
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Nicole's body was laying face down and barefoot at the bottom of the stairs leading to the
front door and the sidewalk leading to the stairs was covered in blood but her feet were
not covered in blood.
They were completely clean.
So police said based off of this evidence they concluded that she was probably the first
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person attacked and killed and was probably the intended target that night opposed to
Ron and it was her condo too.
So Nicole had been stabbed multiple times in the head and neck and there were very few
defense wounds so it didn't seem like she fought her attacker back.
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So there was like virtually none on her hands.
So you know what that means?
Either she was really caught off guard and didn't have time to react or she knew them.
And probably someone huge too.
You would think that you would get some kind of something but if someone's bigger than
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you then probably not her.
The fatal wound was plunged deep into her neck severing her carotid artery.
There was a large bruise in the center of her upper back that seemed to match a footprint
that was found on her clothing.
So investigators believe that after killing Ron the attacker returned back to Nicole who
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was on the ground and pulled her head back by her hair and slit her throat.
Ouch yeah.
Overkill.
Her larynx could be seen through her wound and on her neck and her C3 vertebrae was severed
as well.
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Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Nearly decapitating Nicole.
That's like really deep.
That's an intense slitting of the throat.
Like I said overkill.
That's not normal.
Not that murder is normal but like that's some hate behind that.
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You know what I mean?
That's not just an attack.
Ron Goldman's body was found under a tree near the fence in the front yard.
Ron had been stabbed multiple times on his upper body and neck and like Nicole there
were very few defensive wounds on his hands as well.
So investigators really figured that neither of them struggled long with the attacker which
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to me that indicates that someone has some type of skill set or that gives them that
advantage over them.
Like you said earlier maybe someone who they knew someone caught them off guard, someone
bigger than them, that type of a thing that would give them the advantage or they were
just bigger than both of them.
Forensic evidence from Los Angeles County coroner alleged that the attacker stabbed
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Ron only with one hand while holding him in a choke hold with the other.
Which is like what the fuck?
I don't know how you really like figure that out as a coroner but somehow they were able
to figure that out and that just seems like it had skill behind it.
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I don't know.
Maybe like a normal person that was just there to like burglar- rob the place.
I got the copy of Bea Gail-Laurie's.
Yes, Bea Gail-Laurie's.
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Yeah I don't think it was just like a robber to speak.
And it just seems like someone's like way bigger than them.
Right.
It has to be something like that because none, just no Joe Blow off the street is just choke
holding someone and stabbing them at the same time.
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That's yeah, that's crazy.
So near Ron's body investigators found a blue knit cap, a left-handed extra large light
leather glove, and an envelope containing the glasses that Ron was returning to Nicole
that night.
So it's just they're returning something.
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So unfortunate.
Yeah.
Detectives actually believe that Ron Goldman walked up to Nicole's house during the murder
and that's what got him killed also because he was a witness to it.
Not that you know he was there together or anything because that is a common thought
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that they were either like sleeping together or seeing each other.
He was there at her house but I do believe they were friends but not close enough to
where he was hanging out there.
He was just there to return her glasses.
Just really sad.
Investigators also found a trail of the attacker's blood in bloody shoe prints that went through
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the back gate.
So it went from the front yard through to the back gate and near the footprints drops
of blood found from the killer.
Apparently they were able to measure the distance between the prints and they determined that
their assailant walked away from the crime scene instead of ran away from the crime scene.
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So I'm not really sure how they did that other than I guess the distance.
Probably when you walk it's like shortest strides and when you run it's like probably
like further apart.
Probably.
Yeah that makes sense.
Different splatters.
Yeah that makes sense too.
Yeah instead of just like straight down drops.
Totally.
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Yeah but I thought that was interesting too that kind of shows that they didn't really
give a fuck.
You know.
After confirming that Nicole was the female victim LAPD commander Keith Bushy ordered
Detective Tom Ling, Philip Vantner, Ron Phillips and Mark Fuhrman to notify OJ Simpson of her
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death.
So OJ was the ex-husband of Nicole and the father of both their kids.
So unfortunately Nicole and OJ's kids were home in the condo at the time of the murder.
At that same condo?
What?
At that same condo?
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At the same condo Nicole and Ron were murdered in.
They were at home sleeping that whole time.
How did their dog get out if the kids were still inside?
The front door was left open.
And the front door had no signs of forced entry or anything like that.
So it seemed like Nicole had opened the door.
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Maybe she was expecting Ron to bring her the glasses, opened the door to attack her and
was murdered and then Ron was also murdered and whoever the attacker was wasn't there
to rob them.
It's crazy that their kids didn't wake up to any of the dog barking or screams.
Yeah.
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Right?
Yeah.
Kids sometimes sleep through a lot though.
How old are their kids?
I didn't look that up.
They're young though, younger like middle school, elementary school age.
Maybe we'll look that up later.
But yeah, I don't know.
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My partner, he slept through a building blowing up in his hometown when he was a kid and it
shook their whole house and broke some of their windows.
Jesus.
It was loud and him and his brother both slept through it.
So it is kind of possible.
Yeah.
And there's a couple cases that they're like, oh yeah, our whole family was murdered in
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the other room and we heard nothing.
Like the kitty cabin murders that I did a couple seasons back that when there was survivors
that didn't wake up.
Yeah, I guess some people are just really heavy sleeping.
But it was crazy that your dog was barking to the point people called about it.
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Right.
It was upset, obviously.
I don't know how people are that heavy of sleepers.
No, I could never.
Because I hear something small outside and I wake up immediately.
So because the children were sleeping and because it was his ex-wife, OJ was notified
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about Nicole's death and the detectives were asked to escort him to the police station
to pick up the children from the police station because they were escorted there as well.
The detectives went to OJ's home and buzzed the intercom for over 30 minutes, but they
received no response.
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So we have to remember that OJ is a former NFL player.
And I can't talk.
So he has a big house that requires you to buzz before you can even get into the driveway.
Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz.
So he wasn't answering for over 30 minutes, but they noted that his car was parked in
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an awkward angle outside the home with its back end more out than the front on the street.
So it was parked parallel, but it was kind of perpendicular.
Or it was supposed to be perpendicular, but it was out a little bit.
And there was blood on the door of his car, which they feared meant that maybe OJ was
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hurt.
Also like Nicole, maybe it was like a planned attack on both of them, you know?
So they feared OJ may have been hurt as well.
And they were instructed to scale the wall of his gate and unlock it, which I don't know.
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They admit that they entered without a search warrant, so maybe that wasn't the best.
But they did admit that they thought it was circumstances that required this specifically
out of fear that someone inside may be injured, which I do understand.
Furman briefly interviewed Cato Cailin, who was living in the guest home on the property
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at that time.
So he wasn't living in the house with OJ, but they had a big little guest house outside
that he was living in.
And Cato told the detectives that the car belonged to OJ.
And earlier that night, he had heard thumps on the wall.
So he walked around the premises to inspect, but found nothing out of the ordinary.
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And Furman found a bloodstained glove, a right handed glove specifically, which was determined
to be the mate of the left hand glove found next to the body of Ron Goldman.
And that was at OJ's house.
So either maybe whoever attacked them did have a planned attack on both of them, got
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to the house and OJ wasn't there and dropped a glove, you know, something of that sort.
Or, you know, maybe someone else dropped it that was at the house.
So this evidence, obviously, along with the presence of blood in the driveway and on OJ's
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vehicle, OJ Simpson's vehicle, this constituted probable cause for a search warrant for the
location that they were at, which was the Simpson home.
And it was applied and granted for them to do so.
So they went ahead and searched his home.
And during all this, OJ was in Chicago, or at least he had just arrived in Chicago at
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the time.
And that's where we'll take our first smoke break.
And this smoke break is brought to you by Noclip.
That's what you literally fucking sound like.
And we're back from our smoke break.
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So before the smoke break, we were talking about OJ being in Chicago or that he had just
arrived in Chicago.
The police went to OJ's home on June 13th and took him to Parker Center Police Station
for questioning.
So he didn't get back until June 13th, and that's when they were able to finally pick
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him up for questioning.
Detective Lang noticed that Simpson had a cut on his finger, on his left hand specifically,
and that he thought it may be consistent with where the killer would have been cut and bleeding
from where they saw those droplets of blood and all that, you know, and on the glove.
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So he asked OJ how he cut his hand.
And OJ claimed that he cut his finger accidentally while in Chicago after learning of Nicole's
death.
But the detective then informed OJ that they actually had found blood in his car.
So they were like, well, we found it before you got back from Chicago, so clearly you
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cut your hand before, not after.
So after that being presented, OJ did admit that he cut his finger on June 12th, so the
day before, but said that he didn't remember how he cut it.
So.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Which I guess could happen, right?
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OJ did voluntarily give some of his own blood for DNA comparison, and then they released
him.
So very short questioning.
I believe they released his children to him as well.
But on June 14th, the next day, OJ hired a lawyer who was Robert Shapiro, and he began
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assembling what everybody referred to as the dream team, which sounds sleazy as fuck, doesn't
it?
Yeah, I don't like that.
No, especially when you're like considering like the crime that was committed.
Like it wasn't just.
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Someone was shot or something like that.
It was deliberate.
It was intentional.
It was gory.
It was bloody.
It was.
You know, it was rough.
Yeah, it's an overkill situation.
So I don't know to be callous, even if even if we're saying he didn't commit this murder,
you know, even if you're the lawyer and being like, oh, I don't think you did this.
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But I think it a dream team is a little.
Yeah, distasteful.
Right.
It is.
Right.
No, you know, next.
So the preliminary results from the DNA test came back with matches to OJ Simpson.
So it matched his DNA type.
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But the district attorney delayed filing charges until they had all of the results back.
So it was just the preliminary results.
They were like, let's make sure all the results match before we go ahead and arrest him.
So Simpson spent June 16th and June 17th at the home of his friend who was Robert Kardashian.
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Yes, the father of Kim.
He was one of the so-called dream team people.
So it was Robert, Mr. Shapiro and several doctors there to attend to what they said
was OJ's mental fragile mental state.
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So they were all tending to OJ at the time.
On June 17th, the detectives recommended that OJ be charged with two counts of first degree
murder with special circumstances of multiple killings after the final DNA results came
back and they came back, obviously matching to him.
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So they went ahead and issued an arrest warrant for OJ because the DNA were results were a
match.
So LAPD notified Shapiro at 830 a.m. that Simpson was to turn himself in that day.
And at 930 a.m. Shapiro went to Robert Kardashian's home to tell him that OJ Simpson would need
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to turn himself in by 11 a.m. that day.
An hour after the murder charges were filed, so they filed those at like 10 a.m. I guess.
OJ told Robert Shapiro that he wanted to turn himself in to which the police agreed.
They were like, yes, that's what we want you to do.
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That's what you should do.
Let's make this easy.
They believe that someone as famous as OJ Simpson wouldn't attempt anything weird.
Of course, we all know that's not the case.
So the police agreed to delay Simpson's surrender until noon to allow him to be seen by a mental
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health specialist, make sure he was doing all right.
And because he was showing signs of suicidal depression.
So they were like, well, we're going to delay this a little bit.
You get checked out as long as you promise to come turn yourself in.
We'll all be good and we can proceed.
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That's so crazy.
Yeah.
They wouldn't do that with like for anybody else.
No, because he's famous.
Yeah, very famous.
So he had updated his will.
He called his mother and his children and he wrote three sealed letters.
One of the letters was to his children, one to his mother, and the other one was to the
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public.
That sounds pretty suspicious to me, not like he's going to turn himself in, in my opinion.
More than a thousand reporters waited for OJ outside the police station.
But surprise, surprise, he did not arrive.
Wow.
Yeah.
He did not come at noon.
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And the LAPD was like, what the fuck?
They did not expect that at all, actually.
So they notified Shapiro that OJ would be arrested at Robert Kardashian's home.
Now that he didn't turn himself in, they were like, we're going to come there.
We're going to arrest him.
He's lost his chance of turning himself in basically.
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So Robert Kardashian and Shapiro told OJ that the police were coming and that they would
be here soon and they arrived about an hour after this call.
But Simpson and his friend Al Cowlings had disappeared completely.
So Al was a former NFL player that had played with OJ and they were good friends at the
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time.
So I don't know if Robert Kardashian and Mr. Shapiro just like left and that's how they
escaped or they just let them leave or what.
But regardless, they were gone.
The three sealed letters OJ had written were left behind at his home.
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And at 1.50 p.m., Commander Dave Gascon of LAPD, he was the chief spokesman there, publicly
declared that OJ was a fugitive and the police issued an all point bulletin for him and his
arrest warrant for Al Cowlings as well.
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At 5 p.m., Robert Kardashian and one of his defense lawyers read Simpson's public letter,
obviously to the public.
In this letter, Simpson sent greetings to 24 different friends and he wrote, end quote,
first, everyone understand I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder.
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He described the fights that he had between Nicole and him and the decision not to fix
their relationship.
And he asked the media as a last wish, quote unquote, not to bother his children.
He wrote to his former girlfriend, who was Paula Barbary, who had just broken up with
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him actually hours before Nicole was murdered.
So they had just broken up, freshly broken up.
He said, quote, I'm sorry, we're not going to have our chance.
As I leave, you'll be in my thoughts.
I can't go on.
And then there was a little apology to the Goldman family, which I thought was very interesting.
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And then the letter ended and he said, don't feel sorry for me.
I've had a great life, great friends.
Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person.
So I don't know, what is, what kind of letter do you feel like that is?
Like a, I'm never coming back.
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Like a letter, right?
Yeah.
And that's what everybody else assumed.
And in my opinion, an innocent person doesn't write a letter.
Yeah.
I'm not saying he did it, but I'm saying in my opinion, I'm not writing a letter and
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thinking about killing myself and writing an apology to Ron's family as well in this
letter.
So why would you have to write an apology to Ron's family?
It's one thing to be like, I am distraught because my wife was murdered.
But why do you have to apologize for Ron?
That's the weird part.
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That's weird as fuck.
So just like you and I, most people assume this is a no.
And you know, like that's pretty much what you would include in this if I'm not mistaken.
Now because OJ and Al are missing, there is now a massive search going on for OJ.
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And during this time, while they're everybody searching for him, Robert and Shapiro, I mean,
Mr. Kardashian and Shapiro went ahead and held a press conference about the whole thing.
In this press conference, they said that he and Simpson's psychiatrist agreed that those
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notes were notes and that OJ was probably planning on doing something drastic that day.
Shapiro went ahead and asked OJ to surrender himself and turn himself into the police and
not to do anything crazy.
Those helicopters joined in on the chase.
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So they had the Los Angeles highway system looking for Al Crowling's automobile, which
was a white 1993 Ford Bronco.
At 5 51 p.m., OJ reportedly called 911 and this call was traced to the Sant Anna freeway
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near Lake Forest.
So he called 911.
It doesn't really say what was said on this call, but they were able to at least figure
out where he was going and like what direction he was going in.
And at around 6 20 p.m., a person driving down Orange County Highway notified California
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Highway Patrol after he saw who he believed to be OJ and a Bronco on I-5 freeway heading
north.
So he's like, hey, I think I've seen the Bronco you guys are talking about.
It's going down north on I-5 freeway, basically.
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So the police tracked the calls placed by Simpson on his cell phone and the call from
the motorist and were able to find out where the Bronco was driving.
So at 6 45 p.m., police officer Ruth Dixon saw the Bronco heading north on Interstate
405.
And when she caught up to it, Al was yelling out that Simpson was in the backseat of the
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vehicle and he was pointing a gun to his own head.
So she police officer Ruth Dixon backed off from the vehicle.
She stopped, you know, pursuing so close and with 20 other police cars following him and
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news helicopters following her, they just chased the Bronco as it drove down.
So this chase was so long that one of the news helicopters ran out of gas and had to
go gas up and they begged a different news place to give them the footage that they had
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lost while they refueled.
So it was like that.
It was all over the news.
It was like prime shit that people wanted.
You know, that's all they wanted to report on.
That was everything, you know, and it was already a high profile case with OJ being
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the main suspect and then him pulling this whole chase thing off.
People were like, what the fuck is going on?
What is happening?
Knowing that Al Crowlings was listening to the news, they came up with a plan.
So they went ahead and had Pete Arberghast, who is a sports announcer, call Simpson's
former USC football coach, who was John McKay, and had him just try and speak to OJ.
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Since he was his former coach, they thought maybe he could talk some sense into him, get
him to calm down, be able to turn himself in and end this police chase.
So it was reported that they both cried and talked a little while.
And while on the phone, OJ told McKay, OK, coach, I won't do anything stupid, I promise.
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Officials tried to figure out how to pursue OJ at this time and try to get him to surrender
peacefully.
Detective Lang, who had interviewed OJ about the murders on June 13th, realized that he
still had his cell phone number at the time.
So they hooked a tape recorder up to the phone and they called him multiple times to try
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to reach him.
Eventually, they were able to call, like get a hold of him, and they were able to capture
a conversation between OJ and Lang.
And they repeatedly pleaded with OJ to throw the gun out of the window.
And they told him to think of his mother, think of his children, you know, think of
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these things before you do something that, you know, think of these things before you
do something that you can't come back from, basically.
So on this phone call, OJ apologized for not turning himself in earlier that day and quote,
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I was the only one who deserved to get hurt.
Just go with Nicole.
I just wanted to go with Nicole.
Just get me to the house.
I need the gun for me.
So that sounds like he's not wanting to turn himself in.
He doesn't want to go to jail.
He's ready to just, you know, be done with the whole situation.
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So the Bronco did eventually make it back to OJ's home.
And as Al was parking in the car, you can hear him calling to OJ to surrender and in
the chase peacefully.
So he's like, hey man, like, it's not worth it.
We might as well just end this.
Just surrender peacefully.
We don't really need to do anything more.
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So this was broadcasted literally everywhere.
And honestly, people just stopped what they were doing everywhere.
Work stopped.
Dentist shit stopped.
Dentist shit?
No, I love how you're just like, work stopped, dentist, they stopped, dentist shit.
You know, like people were watching this everywhere.
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And I didn't, I don't think I put it in this part, but someone calculated how much money
was lost in revenue just by people stopped working to watch this stuff.
It was in the millions.
Yeah.
Which is crazy.
It's like how prolific this type of a thing was.
And it was 1994.
So I'm like, not a lot of this shit happens, you know, or had happened to this point.
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I just thought it was so, so, so funny.
And you just put dentists so specifically.
Dentist shit.
Hey, stop.
They saw the dentist shit, dude.
Every television network showed the chase and local news outlets interrupted regularly
scheduled programming to cover the incident.
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So they were just like, fuck everything.
We're going to show this instead.
So this whole chase was watched by an estimated 95 million viewers nationwide.
95 million people said, yeah, I got to stop and watch this.
And it was crazy because only 90 million had watched that year's Super Bowl.
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That's crazy.
It's crazy.
People were invested in this shit, which I understand why it's scandalous for sure.
During all this craziness, the NBA finals were going on actually.
And so they had one station, Bob Costa acted as a go between between Marv Albert, who was
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calling the game, the NBA game, and Tom Brockow, who was reporting on the chase.
So this event was on a split screen on the show.
So they had the NBA finals on one side and the chase on the other.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Could you imagine?
No.
You're like sitting there like watching both.
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Yeah, like, oh my God, they're so cheesy.
And they thankfully had this guy being the go between between the two.
So you knew exactly what was going on.
What a time.
The between between.
Yeah, the between man.
The between the tween.
Between the tween.
Between the two, OK.
Between the tween and I was tween.
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Not only was the chase broadcasted everywhere nationwide, but it was also broadcasted internationally,
including France and China.
Dang, what the heck?
People were like glued to the screen.
There were thousands of spectators and onlookers packed on overpasses along the route of which
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they were chasing OJ like a fucking marathon.
People were holding signs out for OJ.
It says go OJ and save the juice.
Yeah.
People.
And you know, it comes with how beloved OJ was a person.
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And I'll get into that later.
Like just how much people really loved OJ and were shocked that he did this.
But like that's people were really just going to say, no, let him go.
Please.
That's just so stupid.
This is what I hate.
Like you can have your like celebrities that you like and whatever, you know.
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Yeah.
But it's not like obsessive over someone where if they're like on trial or trying to get
arrested for murder where you're like, oh no, let him go.
It's OJ Simpson.
Just so crazy to me.
Like what?
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like just how like obsessed people are over celebrities.
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Yeah.
Celebrities in general.
And then it's like sometimes even the murders, once they become murderous, people then become
even more obsessed, which is like disgusting.
A whole nother thing.
It's disgusting.
Disgusting.
Hmm.
Like I think of the Night Stalker specifically, Richard Ramirez, and how many people like
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threw themselves at him and how gross he was.
Like not only was he like a disgusting murder serial killer, but some of his victims said
that his breath smelt like wet leather.
And I just can't like and the way he looked, I just like I can't imagine that you would
be throwing like flinging yourself at this man.
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Yeah.
What people do.
People are psycho.
And not to mention that OJ was not the Night Stalker.
He wasn't a serial killer.
He was a beloved football player, a beloved pillar in the black community because he was
a spokesperson for a lot of things that black people weren't allowed to be spokesperson
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for, people for.
And he was like a trendsetter for a lot of these things.
So a lot of people held him in a high regard because of these things.
But he also sucks.
You know what I mean?
Like you can love him and then be like, OK, now you deserve what you get, you know, type
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of a thing.
There's no reason to still worship him after exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, I don't get that with people with celebrities and like.
I don't get it either.
It's just like sometimes like the shittiest people get more famous after people find out
how shitty they are.
It's just like.
Well, because some people say all publicity is good publicity.
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I hate that.
It's like it is true in a regard because people just love drama.
People love crazy, scandalous things.
I hate it.
I hate it so much.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
So that's where we'll take our second smoke break.
And this smoke break is brought to you by Beans.
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What the fuck?
And we're back.
We're back.
So we were talking about people saying weird and save the juice.
Yeah, exactly.
The juice, Mr. OJ.
Yeah.
So back at OJ's home, he was reportedly demanding to be allowed to speak to his mother before
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he would surrender, which I get.
I do get that.
I'm not going to lie.
So the chase ended around eight at his Brentwood estate where 27 SWAT officers awaited for
his surrender.
It's crazy.
They were not playing around.
They were like, you will surrender this time.
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OJ remained in the Bronco for about 45 minutes after the chase ended.
And then he finally exited at about 8 50 p.m. and then went inside his home for about an
hour where he was allowed to call his mother at that time.
So Robert Shapiro then arrived and Simpson finally surrendered to authorities a few minutes
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after his arrival.
In the Bronco, police found eight thousand dollars in cash, a change of clothes and a
loaded three fifty seven magnum, a United States passport, family photos and a disguise
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kit with a fake goatee and mustache.
Come on, come on.
A fake goatee and mustache is a lot.
You might as well like bought those glasses with the big nose and mustache.
Exactly.
And who are we kidding?
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Is OJ going to have be disguised in any way?
There's no way.
Yeah, it was a try.
Bro, that was.
It was something.
It's a choice.
You're right.
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So finally, yeah, I just I can't stand the thought of him in a fake goatee and mustache.
I just feel like it wasn't even the right color or anything.
Yeah.
Imagine it's one of those girly ones.
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The handlebar.
Bro.
OK.
So eventually, OJ was booked and he was booked at Park Center and then he was taken eventually
to Men's Central Jail after that.
Al Crowlings was also booked on suspicion of harboring a fugitive and he was held on
(52:08):
twenty five thousand dollar bail.
No, write that number again.
Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So Al Crowlings was also booked on suspicion of harboring a fugitive and he was held on
(52:29):
two hundred and fifty thousand dollar bail.
Yeah.
Which I think is fair since he was driving that.
On June 20th, OJ was arraigned and pleaded not guilty to both murders and he was held
without bail.
The following day, a grand jury called to determine whether to indict him for the two
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murders.
But it was dismissed.
So they didn't end up doing any of that.
So then on June twenty third, as a result of excessive media coverage that could influence
the neutrality of the case, authorities held a probable cause hearing to determine whether
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to bring Simpson to trial or not, which is crazy.
But it makes sense because it really isn't fair to have that type of media coverage for
a case like a murder case.
You know, it's really not because any other human.
Yes, it would be covered, but to that extent, probably not.
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So to be fair, it is good that they at least considered that.
I will give them that.
But what does that even mean?
What?
What part?
Like if they decided not to bring him to trial, do they just book him and he's just like,
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yeah, you're for sure.
Or do they let him go?
It would depend, I think, on the judge.
But it could go where he would just be let go because they did too much and tainted the
outcome of the trial, so to speak.
That's also not fair either, though.
It's not.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah.
And this case doesn't get handled fairly, to be honest, on either side, in my opinion.
I feel like it got way blown out of proportion and people forgot that it was a murder case.
You know, they forget what happened and they can get their feelings and emotions all tied
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up to one thing or another and it turns it into a clown show like a circus clown show.
Same thing, I guess.
But same shit, different air freshener.
Exactly.
Little Wayne.
We don't play boy.
I ain't Hugh Hefner.
So California Superior Court Judge Kathleen Kennedy Powell ruled on July 7th that there
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was sufficient evidence to bring OJ to trial for the murders.
Slay.
Yeah.
So now we're going to get into some of the evidence found and the days leading up to
the trial and then finally OJ's trial in the case.
Jose Camcho of Ross Cutlery provided store receipts showing Simpson had purchased a 12
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inch de Leto knife six weeks before the murders.
The knife was recovered and determined to be similar to the ones the coroner said could
be the ones that made the stab wound.
The prosecution did not present this evidence at trial because someone sold the information
(55:53):
to the National Enquirer for like twelve thousand dollars.
So you can't really use that.
Yeah which is like where this bullshit like gets tied up is like you forget that it's
a murder case and you shouldn't be selling this kind of information before.
I mean you shouldn't be doing it at all but especially before the trial.
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That's literally poor taste.
Yeah that's stupid.
Evidence on the knife determined that an oil was used and it was specifically an oil that
was used on new cutlery.
So this was still present on the knife and they indicated that it had never been used
because of this.
So they said we don't think that this was the use the murder weapon used because the
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oil still present and no blood.
Former NFL player and pastor Rossi Greer visited Simpson on November 13th at the Los Angeles
County Jail and a jailhouse guard who was Jeff Stewart testified to a judge that at
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one point Simpson yelled to Greer that he didn't mean to do it.
After which Greer had urged Simpson to come clean about the entire thing.
Judge Lance Ayato ruled that the evidence was admissible as being protected because
the clergy it was a clergy patient like confidentiality issue.
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So no he wasn't the patient but he is someone that's working there so it's not admissible
in court because of that if that makes sense.
Because in the same breath you could just make shit up.
You know what I mean.
At first Simpson's defense used a horrible story basically saying that someone hired
a hitman by drug dealers and had murdered Nicole and Ron because drugs basically.
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Drugs.
Yeah.
So they gave.
Sorry.
They just said that they gave quote Nicole a Columbia necktie which I feel like is in
poor taste to say that too.
What the fuck.
Uh huh.
And they were looking instead of Nicole being the target in the case they were actually
(58:19):
looking for Nicole's friend who was Fay who was a known cocaine user quote unquote and
failed to pay for her drugs.
What?
Yeah.
So Fay had stayed at Nicole's condo for a few days because she was going into rehab
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and this was a few days before the killing.
So did she use drugs and need to go to rehab.
Yes.
Did this mean drug dealers were after her and killed Nicole because she didn't pay for
drugs.
Not necessarily.
Could that happen.
Sure.
But there's like other evidence that doesn't lead to that so.
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Exactly.
So had something like that happen maybe we would have seen forced entry into the house
more defense wound that type of scenario opposed to someone really thinking it was a single
killer.
You know this is not a case where they think it's a multiple killer.
Yeah.
Situation and I don't know.
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It's just it's a different way less like of a possibility.
Right.
So all of the blood evidence that they had at your OJ's house and it matched.
Right.
So it's like right.
It doesn't.
Yeah.
So it was ruled that the drug killer theory drug dealer killer theory was highly speculative
(59:45):
and it had no evidence to support it obviously.
And because there wasn't enough evidence to support that claim.
Attio bared it from the court from anybody hearing it from the jury hearing it and prohibited
Christian rhetoric from testifying about his former girlfriend and her drug problems which
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was Faye.
So Rose Lopez stated on August 18th that she saw OJ Simpson's Bronco parked outside his
house at the time of the murders supporting his claim that he was home that night.
But during cross examination by Clark Lopez she admitted this was not true and she wasn't
(01:00:35):
exactly sure what time she saw his vehicle his Bronco but they still use her in the defense
testimony which is very interesting even though she admitted she had no idea.
And however they had a tape statement from Miss Lopez on July 29th that did not mention
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anything about seeing the Bronco but it did mention another housekeeper who was also there
that night who was Sylvia Gira.
Prosecutors then spoke to Sylvia who said that she thought Rose was lying.
So I thought that was interesting.
She said that she claimed that the defense offered both Sylvia and Rose five thousand
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dollars to say that the Bronco was there that night.
No no.
Shady.
You don't need to do that if you're innocent.
I'll just say that right there.
So when Judge Otto warned the defense that Miss Sylvia's claim as well as the earlier
statement did not mention the Bronco at all in the tape where Clark claims that Rose clearly
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stated that it was there.
They stated that it was clearly a sign of her being coached into what to say and not
her just saying the information that she knew.
So because of this they dropped her from their witness list which is a good move on their
part.
Yeah.
It would be stupid if they tried to do that.
(01:02:16):
You know.
Now to kind of put you in the mindset of the time this was a huge thing.
It was on every channel replacing regular scheduled soap operas and shows and people
were invested in this case.
Not only were people invested people were divided on the whole case too.
(01:02:38):
It was not a pretty sight like people were either really upset that OJ was being convicted
of this and accused of it or that you know they didn't think that he was being punished
enough basically.
People were very divided on this whole thing.
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And after all OJ was a very beloved and cherished pillar of the black community.
He was a trendsetter a role model a renowned football player and was and is considered
one of the best running backs of all time.
So we you know we can kind of understand why people were divided but you know we're not
(01:03:27):
to the trial yet.
So I guess after the trial I don't get being divided on it.
But like before the trial before he's all the evidence is presented like sure.
So one of the producers of NBC's Today said the murder trial was quote the biggest story
he had ever seen.
So this trial received extensive media coverage from the very beginning and it had an instant
(01:03:52):
book that was proposed two hours after the bodies were found.
What the fuck?
I'm telling you two hours.
They didn't even it was like even scheduled to publish only a few weeks later too.
That's like Stephen King type shit.
Yeah and poor Ron and Nicole hadn't even been in the ground.
They weren't even cold yet before that was offered.
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I don't like that.
No it's gross.
It's greedy.
It's gross.
It's money hungry greedy yucky people.
Yeah it's yucky yucky yucky.
No I don't like that.
They don't profit off of people's murders.
Like we don't.
It's gross.
I don't know.
It's cool to like bring light to the murders like you know but not to like make.
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Exploit.
You know you don't exploit them.
Yeah.
It's pure exploitment and it's poor taste.
Like I find it okay to do like documentaries like after the fact but two hours later is
criminal.
Yeah and obviously we're here doing a podcast so like.
That's fine but two hours.
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Yeah.
You know what I mean.
Two hours is absurd.
And a few weeks after to like schedule to publish it is insane.
It's wrong.
Yeah I don't like that.
It's wrong.
Yeah.
Disgusting.
So the nightly news broadcasts from three big television networks gave more airtime
to the OJ case than the Bosnian war and the Oklahoma City bombing combined.
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Which I think that says all we need to know about like this country and like what we truly
care about because don't get me wrong I don't think it's an issue to be interested in this
kind of thing.
This kind of case.
This kind of you know craziness that happened because it's a huge case.
It's got weird circumstances and a big celebrity.
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But to think about more coverage on a football player than a whole ass war and a massacre.
Like yeah it's insane to me.
The Oklahoma City bombing was one of the deadliest massacres that's happened to our country.
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Like it's huge.
It was huge.
And like if you guys don't know about it like I do suggest to educate yourself on it and
you know read up about it.
But like it's crazy to me that the one person could take away the light from a war.
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From this whole bombing that happened that killed mass amounts of people opposed to like
one person.
I'm not saying that her and Ron don't deserve this but in the same breath like what the
fuck?
No that's insane to think about.
And for them combined too is crazy.
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Interest in the case was worldwide.
Russian President Boris Yeltsin first question to President Clinton when they met in 1995
was do you think OJ did it?
That's crazy.
It's crazy right?
Like I'm not I don't know that's wild.
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He said hello Mr. Clinton do you think OJ did it?
Yeah that's insane.
Nice to meet you.
Do you think OJ did it?
Yeah I know.
Two world leaders getting together and that's the first thing is crazy.
Hello.
Like what?
Okay anyways.
So there was a whole issue to whether or not they should allow video cameras in court room
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because at this time this would be like the first case in history to be allowed to use
video cameras or like one of them you know.
So Judge Yato had decided ultimately ruling that live camera coverage would be allowed
in the case which is also a crazy move on his part and he was later highly criticized
(01:08:01):
for this decision by other legal professionals saying that yeah that was probably not like
in the best days.
Sorry my butt hurt.
(01:08:23):
The trial was covered in 2237 new segments from 1994 to 1997.
So like they ran that shit into the ground over and over and over.
The judge was also criticized for allowing the trial to become a media circus and not
(01:08:47):
doing enough to regulate the court proceedings and being sure it's a fair trial.
Which I agree with.
I completely agree with.
On June 27th 1994 Time published a cover story named quote an American tragedy with a photo
of OJ on the cover.
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Time's cover image was darker than a typical magazine cover and darker than the original
photo as shown on a Newsweek cover released at the same time.
So they time consequently became the subject of a media scandal because of this because
they doctored the photo on the front cover.
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Commentators found that its staff had used the photo manipulation to darken the photo
and that they speculated it was to make Simpson appear more menacing after the publication
of the photo drew widespread criticism of racist editorializing.
Time publicly apologized for the photo manipulation.
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And I know what you guys are some of y'all are thinking like well there's not really
an issue for editing photos how they wish.
You know that people can do that but like I say absolutely not to that because these
kind of things are they subs subtly is what I'm trying to say sway opinions on things
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subconsciously.
That's what I was going to say.
Yes even like the darkest hue of something just makes it more eerie.
Yeah that's what they do for movies and comic books and things like that to show that this
is the bad guy.
This is the protagonist as you I mean the antagonist as you will.
Like yeah you could say that they could do whatever they want with their photo but no
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like when someone hasn't been to trial yet and hasn't been convicted of this thing you
can't put those things out there subconsciously.
After the fact.
After the fact.
Sure.
I don't think that that's as bad.
I would agree with you.
I think after the fact you do what you please.
Maybe not completely drawing horns on someone or something shitty like that.
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Like if someone's a bad person and you make them seem what they are they kind of are what
they are.
Right.
But you wait until after the trial and all that kind of stuff right?
This was before the trial and before it had even started.
So I think with like trials like this it's important to keep an unbiased opinion to receive
(01:11:28):
the proper justice for the victim when you use these little tricks like this it truly
like taints the whole thing.
So that is where in part one part two will be coming at you in just a few days.
So hit that little notification bell so that you know when part two drops because you're
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not going to want to miss the ending of this case because it's wild.
Wild wild wild.
So see you there.
Turn that noti bell on.
Noti noti noti ding ding.
Now I can put my lip gloss on.
Put that lip gloss on girl.
Part two.
And this smoke break and ending break is brought to you by cinnamon rolls because we about
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