December 29, 2024 • 37 mins
On the evening of December 23rd, 1992, in a small town that seemed peaceful and safe, Johanna Young went out for some fresh air and, tragically, never returned home. This unsettling incident marked the beginning of a mystery that would haunt her family and the community for years to come. In this episode, we will dive deep into this heartbreaking case. We will explore the details surrounding Johanna's disappearance, the extensive search efforts that followed, and the impact this case had on her loved ones. Join us as we discuss the investigation, the clues that emerged, and the eventual resolution of this tragic story, shedding light on the importance of remembering those who have been lost and the ongoing fight for justice.
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Happy 420! I'm Kai and I'm QueenReefer and you're watching Stone Cold Murder. Just a PSA,
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audiences. Viewer discretion is advised. Welcome back to Stone Cold Murder,
Season 3, Episode 8. I'm Kai and this is QueenReefer. How are you today?
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I'm doing good. How are you? I'm good. Good. Yeah. Slaying the day?
Hmm. I'm trying. You're slaying the day. I'm slaying something. You're slaying.
Slay. I put it down. I was only playing with it because we weren't talking.
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He doesn't believe in me. Let me have it. I'll prove myself. No, please. I'll prove myself.
This will be a good challenge for me. Please. Get fucked. Get fucked, man. It's fine.
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Well, that's why I wanted to know your shot. It's okay. It's a good challenge for me.
But I really want to touch it now. No, it's okay. It's a good exercise. Is this recording? Yeah.
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Thank God. It's a good exercise. I haven't touched my hair clip. Tell me you're proud of me right now.
Tell me I'm good. Tell me I'm good. Tell me I'm good. Matthew, just take it.
In the ass. I touched the butt. She almost touched it. No, I didn't. I was here. She said,
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I touched the butt. Am I going to touch it? I can prove myself worthy. It's nothing about
yourself worth. It's more of just. No, I can do it. I have a lot to prove to myself.
Everything to do with your self worth for sure. Yeah. If I touch that, I am worthless.
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That's what Matt told me. It is what Matt told you, huh?
Yeah. Matt said Queen Reifers worthless if she touches that thing that's off camera right now.
He did. Well, I'm sure you know where it's at now because Queen has tried to touch and look at it
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multiple times. I looked at it. I didn't touch it. You guys let us know if you see her touch it,
like Dora. She touched it. She touched it. Also, Merry Christmas, everyone.
She just called me Dora. No, I said, say it like Dora.
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Dora. Which I'm grown. What's happening? Dora's like four years old. I didn't call you Dora.
You said she's like Dora.
Dora. I didn't. That's why Matt is shaking his head. Because I said, you guys, let me know when
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she touches the thing like Dora. She touched it. She touched it. I said like Dora. I said, you like
what I said. What the hell?
You know what? You're right. I said, you look like Dora. You're in that fucking purple shirt.
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Where's your fucking backpack? In your fucking bag?
Well, I might as well put on my backpack because I'm going to carry you through this episode.
Oh, unbelievable. Jesus Christ.
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Mic dropped. All right, let's get it. I'm ready.
I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.
Do you have anything in your backpack that will help you focus?
Thank you so much.
Hey. She spent a whole beginning of an episode roasting me and can't take a Dora joke.
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I don't want to be Dora. I am going to use it the whole time.
I don't care. Actually, you know, doors, the Explorer. I'll go explore some things.
Yeah. Okay. I'm I'm done with it.
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She's crying through the pain. I actually can do a mean Dora impression.
Yeah. Yeah. You want to hear? Sure.
It's going to be so bad since I'm doing it on command like my Australian accent now.
That was funny as shit. All right.
It's kind of loud. So let's scoot back. Ready?
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Okay. Okay. Ready?
Does it have to be at the octave?
Yes. Otherwise, I can't do it. That's why I scooted back. You're welcome.
So
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I hope you guys are high because I am blazed clearly we're gonna get this thing started
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finally you ready? I'm ready. Alright. Our story starts out on the evening of December 23rd 1992
it was a very cold and foggy night in Waton Norfolk which is located in England not North
Folk Virginia I put it in there because I figured most people would not know that unless you're from
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England maybe Norfolk yeah I automatically went to the other Norfolk Virginia Virginia Johanna Young
was 14 at the time of our story and on this cold foggy day she asked her mom if she could go out
for a while Johanna's mom confirmed that she could leave for a while as long as she was out too late
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which I think is fair especially the being Christmas time equipment equipment Mary Chrysler
Johanna left her home at about 730 p.m. that evening wearing a purple anorak and just in case
you don't know what an anorak is because I sure didn't it is a long pullover rain jacket that
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normally comes down to your hips yeah but pullover not as it but yeah like a north face type jacket
I got a pink rain jacket nice I got a pink anorak yeah I had no idea what it was so I was like
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really just confused thank you for educating me on fashion you're so welcome Johanna had recently
gotten her heart broken by her now ex-boyfriend who was named Ryan Furman and this breakup was
actually so recent that her parents didn't know about it and they had assumed that when she was
leaving she was actually going to meet Ryan that evening she spent a lot of time at his house and
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you know hanging out with him she was 14 so makes sense it seemed like she was just trying to get
out of the house and get some fresh air and just kind of keep herself occupied after her relationship
ended didn't really have any particular plans to go hang out with anybody but was going out so
Johanna headed towards the town center at Walton and was spotted just kind of walking around the
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park area in that in the town center and this was between 730 p.m. and 845 that she was spotted
doing this and after 845 there was no further sightings of Johanna and she did not return home
Johanna's parents did not actually notice that she hadn't returned home until her alarm went off
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that morning and she didn't respond to it so I don't know I guess they didn't yeah I guess they
assumed that she had stayed at her boyfriend's house so they went and turned off the alarm and
didn't think anything of it because it was foggy that night so they thought maybe she'd just not
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walk home basically and it wasn't until her father noticed that Johanna didn't pick up her papers
that evening at 7 a.m. because she had a paper route that he finally was kind of like okay maybe
that's not what happened so they went ahead and reported it to the police hmm yeah so interesting
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yeah I don't know if it was like regular that she spent time at her boyfriend's or if it was just
assumed that because of the foggy conditions but they did say that it was unusual for her not to
do her paper route at least so at least that like yeah yeah singled alarm right dude oh I said
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singled signaled due to the unexplained nature of her disappearance the case received a great deal
of local publicity as the police searched for her and on the afternoon of Saturday December 26th a
man was walking his dogs down Gristan Road and this is also in one when he noticed a pair of
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shoes he did not search any further other than seeing the shoes and he went ahead and reported
to the police that he had found shoes because he knew Johanna was missing so after he reported it
to the police the police were able to confirm that it was Johanna's training shoes which tennis
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shoes in England training shoes training shoes I thought that was a kid I know I love the light
differences I know it's adorable wonder if they like that with us or they hate it I don't know
like I was a watching a thousand pound sisters the other day yeah I love that show and they went
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to England and they were asking their like taxi driver like what they call like certain things and
for sidewalks they call it the pavement the pavement walking on the pavement just the pavement
I love it I love it too yeah well they noticed her training shoes in the undergrowth and they were
too matchstick kicker and both shoes had muddy soles but they were both setting are like set neatly
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side-by-side each other on this unnamed road called Gillum's drift so I'm assuming it was unpaved
since it says unmade yeah yeah they then found her tights in the same area but in like a hedge
like a big bush and after that they went ahead and set up a like a search perimeter around the
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area to go ahead and look for Johanna as they searched they came across an old clay pit full
of rainwater and rusty old oil drums a search of the pit confirmed what everybody had feared and
they found Johanna Young's lifelifts body floating face down in the water and she was still wearing
her purple jacket the body was actually found approximately 120 to 140 yards from where her
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shoes had been found so not too far and like I said Johanna's body was face down in the water
and her lower half of her body was nude so she was wearing a jacket on the top half but nothing
on the bottom half and like I said they found her tights but they did not find her pants at the time
her body was covered in scratches and postmortem and and a postmortem examination revealed that
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the death was caused by drowning and a fresh fractured skull mm-hmm yeah which is really sad
but drowning yeah so she was alive after the fractured skull when she was put in the water
yeah baby fucking atrocious I know when the police went to her home to break the news to
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Johanna's father Robber who was actually described as a naturally gentle and mild-mannered man he
was obviously very upset and angry her mother Carol felt guilty for letting her go out without
knowing where she was going but most of all they just felt baffled by the events of the last few
days didn't really know where to start because they didn't know why she was going out or who
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she was hanging out with or even that she broke up with her boyfriend so I'm sure it was like a lot
of unraveling as they were finding out this unfortunate news yeah that's where we'll take
our first smoke break and this smoke break is brought to you by hairclip since police had
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located Johanna's body they now focused on investigating her murder and trying to bring
her family justice for this unspeakable crime unfortunately this case did prove to be pretty
difficult from the beginning for police the long hours that she spent in the icy water had destroyed
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a lot of the evidence that might have helped the pathologist that was doing her autopsy and he
really couldn't even give them a time of death due to the body's condition and being in the
water so long so it was like one of those cases cases that it's like if they could have gotten
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to it a little bit sooner maybe they could have more evidence but also maybe not because of the
water you know how long in between her going missing in this again um she went missing on
the 23rd and she her body was found on the 26th okay so it's been some time yeah right and it was cold
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icy probably I know it doesn't speed up decomposition but I know probably because it's water does wash
off some stuff and probably like reserves the body yeah yeah so slows it down right um so that's
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probably why she couldn't or I'm don't know why I'm assuming she why the pathologist couldn't
figure out a time of death yeah Johanna's skull had been fractured like we said earlier and it
was likely that she had still been alive and unconscious when she was thrown into the clay
pit and that she had died by drowning in the rainwater instead of the skull fracture and
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although that she was half naked she was not raped either that was interesting well at least
that's like one good thing it's one good thing for sure but it's just like an interesting thing
um so I feel like that does add a little bit more of a mystery to the story because unfortunately
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like a lot of rapists recommit like reoffend and a lot of times it does escalate and so that's why
you would see something like this in a case but um it does kind of add to the mystery of like within
why why did you kill her you know what I mean like it's like unfortunate but also fortunate yeah you
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know the pathologist believed that Johanna's skull was fractured by a fall rather than a blow
oh which is even more interesting and he found out that her skull was actually unusually thin so
it was like thinner than most people so it had more of a chance of cracking than the average
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person which is very unfortunate like and probably why she was dumped into a water instead of like
and probably not raped either it probably was an accident anyways it's just an interesting fact I
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don't know yeah I thought that was crazy they did find drag marks by the clay pit and match them to
the scratches on the lower half of Johanna's back and it looked like her limp body may have been
carried by two people instead of just one person um one at the head of her body and the other one
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on the feet with her back like sagging in the middle um and that's why they could match the
scratches because they thought that she was as she was being dragged that's what made those marks in
the ground and that's what scratched up her back rather than an attack or a fight isn't that so
like interesting that they're able to like come to these conclusions was based off of like scratches
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or something right it's really interesting it is crazy isn't it they studied marks in the mud
found Johanna's footprints and her footprints were leading about halfway down the road before they
abruptly stopped so they went ahead and took plaster casts of numerous other prints and tire
marks that they found and they were kind of hoping that one of them maybe belonged to the killer or
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would lead them to some kind of clue that would help them but none of those tracks that they found
even gave them any type of lead at all only thing that they really found was that she had footprints
to a certain point and then they stopped so they really couldn't even figure out why because of
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the foggy cold weather there wasn't really a lot of foot traffic in the area nobody really out walking
their dogs or doing you know outside activities during this time so there weren't really any
eyewitnesses or anything that could say that they saw her other than that little
little time frame that she was at that park you know was this close to that park it was yeah
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yeah yeah so it made it really difficult to track down any potential eyewitnesses or next to
impossible they even find anybody that saw anything or thought that they saw anything for that matter
you know police uh knocked on people's doors they went door to door in the neighborhood
um the surrounding area that they found Johanna in and they did end up coming up with people who
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saw her so several different sightings including a man who had been walking in Gillam's Drift
just after about 11 o'clock on the night Johanna disappeared he and his dog had heard someone
stumbling in the dark and the man uh ran to fetch like a flashlight to get like a little
flashlight to see if he could shine it out and see something but by the time he had come back
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it was quiet and he had no idea who or what he had heard at all so I think he just kind of
chalked it up to maybe an animal or something yeah which is fair but the police had no motive
no culprit no leads and for a while it kind of stayed that way and stayed pretty cold and
unfortunately they really didn't even have a place to start looking yeah a major investigation
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took place during 1993 that led to a number of different arrests of different local men in the
area even though they arrested and suspected many men nobody had been charged in the connection with
Johanna's death they did however have just one singular suspect and a theory of what happened
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is it her boyfriend um maybe okay they just pretty much lacked all of the evidence that could connect
him to the murder or the crime at all so yeah because that's our next smoke break
sick dude sick man i'm so good i should get a clip and this smoke break is brought to you by
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lip gloss because your lips have to be popping my lip gloss is popping my lip gloss be cool
i don't remember the rest of the words something in the skew
what you know about me what you what you know about me what you know about me what you know about me
and we're back from our smoke break so before our smoke break we were kind of talking about
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um the police their investigation and that they had kind of narrowed it down to one
suspect in particular um this suspect was one of the older boys who hang hung around outside of
gateway which was the area which Johanna's body was found and where she was last seen
and surprise surprise the local police already knew him pretty well he was a small-time thief
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and they suspected that he was bringing cannabis from yeah Threadford bad boy bad boy what you're
gonna do what you're gonna do when they come for you bad boy bad boy i literally cannot help myself
yeah because cannabis is so bad
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as i smoke as i just came back from a smoke break
so is that the only reason i assume well he was a small-time thief too
he was stealing bread small-time just like you know like aladdin type
small-time baby just like you know like aladdin type
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that's how i would say aladdin aladdin yeah does that mean have you not seen the disney movie
aladdin i have oh like bread and stuff yeah small times stuff just maybe some chapstick and stuff
so living in a lonely world yeah took a midnight train going anywhere
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so some of the kids around the area were getting pretty heavily interrogated by police just because
it was a 14 year old girl obviously her parents didn't know much they really didn't have anything
to go off of so they're like maybe we can try some of the fellow students that were in the school and
lived around the area um some of them did end up talking to police most of them didn't um but those
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who did agreed that their suspect was selling them weed and that they also said that he was a pretty
violent individual which is an interesting add to the case oh i really thought that was one of your
dogs goodbye bow we're opening presents now apparently so one of them said that he was violent
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and that he got his fingers broken by the suspect another said that the suspect tried to stab them
oh yeah and then several of them also said that this individual really liked johanna on top of it
so interesting little description of this man this little fellow here okay wait wait wait wait
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but didn't they say it seemed like two people are involved so do they have another suspect on top
of them no but they do assume that he did call someone as an accomplice to come help figure out
what to do which is also always a crazy thing wait i don't know if i have any friends that i
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could call and say hey i killed someone can you help me do this yeah i don't know if i actually
have any friends that would do it perhaps sorry if you called me i love you if you called me and
said something like that i'd turn you in as you should honestly i would expect you to
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maybe i would be calling to have you do that because i was scared
i'm too pretty for prison actually pretty for prison i've said this a couple times if i ever
fucked up and went to prison i think i would do okay i got the i'm tatted up i think i would
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scare people off enough i could also fight so that's also part of it that's a big part of it
i could also fight and i'm a gemini which has little to nothing to do with it but people are
scared of me for no reason because of that fact anyways rambling let's get on to the story so he
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always liked johanna that's what we're talking about and johanna had had several boyfriends
by the time of her murder and apparently he said that he wanted to make her his girlfriend he
wanted to be one of her boyfriends so i don't think it ever happened but that was the story
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around all the kids and what they were telling police and a big primary reason as to why
this guy was a suspect unfortunately they don't name him in the story which is probably good
because it's an unsolved murder and he's just a kid yeah anyways does it talk about like
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the boyfriend at all yeah okay just a little bit not a lot but a little bit because it's just weird
like the same day like they break up or whatever yeah that would be my suspect yeah always okay
the partner at least the first suspect police wondered if it was possible that their suspect
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had heard about ryan breaking up with johanna and that he had followed her on that dark night
the police had already guessed that the killer must be a local man because they figured well why
how else would they find that clay pit to dump her in um because it was located behind a lot
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of bushes and trees and stuff like that that's not just normal you can see it from the you know path
type thing they did end up going to this suspect's place of employment so that they could talk to him
and while they were there they told him that um the employer told them that this man had disappeared
just a few days after christmas yes and that the last time that they had seen him he had scratches
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on his face oh so he's looking pretty good for the suspect here they discovered that he had recently
repainted his car also repainted his car yeah after christmas too and they did end up tracking
him down eventually they arrested him and they held him for questioning they ended up seizing his car
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his clothes his shoes and they took dna samples from him and then they sent everything off for
testing fortunately nothing came back because they really didn't have any dna
from johanna because of her body being in the water for so long so yes they had all these
things to test but none of nothing to compare it to so it was really not helpful for them to convict
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this suspect because of that you can't really without evidence no you can't so police and
johanna's family continue to ask and search for new information from local people and they
surrounding area regarding anything that they may have seen if you know they may have heard this
suspect saying anything to someone because a lot of times they you know don't keep it to themselves
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yeah you know so none of that came up there was no buddy coming forward to have any information
i wonder maybe he didn't say anything did they ever get like a search warrant for his phone
is that a thing that's a thing did you get a search warrant for someone's phone totally to see
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if like maybe he called anyone or said anything totally this was in 92 so may or may not have
cell phone may or may not have used their own phone may have used a pay phone or something like
that because you know had those back then and stuff what i can't resist i'm not a
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phone johanna's parents carol and robert young wonder what she would have been doing
where her life would have been and who she would have become if her life wasn't taken
who she would have become if her life wasn't taken her father said quote she had a lot of ambition
more or less a different one each time she thought about it which is cute as fuck
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for a while she was going to be a motor mechanic so that she could help to mend the car when it
wasn't starting which i'm like oh my heart i know then she was going to be an interior designer but
she then dropped that because she had to go to two years of college and she was like fuck no i'm not
doing that relatable yeah i was like i totally understand that because fuck school there was one
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point in my time like your time in prison no uh when i was going to school that i really wanted
to be a neuroscientist uh-huh and then i looked it up because i was like oh what do i need to do
to get into this and it was like 18 years of school i said 18 years old huh no but never mind
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yeah you know i really was like interested in neuroscience for a long time but that's too long
right and it's expensive that's the problem like it might be one thing that you could do
as like a part-time worker and a part-time student but not with those bills on top of it
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you know what i mean like it's so hard but could you imagine what do you do for work i'm a neuroscientist
i'd be sick that's pretty cool it would be yeah so she said school fuck that i'm not going yeah
which i respect she was very bright and very artistic she would have found something he said
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end quote her parents know all about the prime suspect and who he is and carol says that she
sometimes sees him in town and that robert occasionally has to walk past his house which
i'm like because you uh that'd be so hard i know i would probably move yeah it's like that lovely
bones movie that's what it kind of reminds me of yeah it's like i i couldn't stand it like no
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no me either i could and probably as the suspect too like you have to know that
that they have those feelings towards you so i'm sure it would be uncomfortable or he doesn't give
a fuck or he doesn't probably just like i got away with it now yeah he might think it's funny
yeah you robert said i suppose i would like to knock 10 bells out of him really
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but that wouldn't really solve anything it makes you feel uncomfortable to have him walking around
but to be fair we can't be sure that it was him a lot of people say it was him but we don't know
that for sure i have often walked down the high street which is where he lives and look at the
fellow's face and thought could he have done it or maybe it's someone else with an odd face maybe i
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wonder if they could have done it but over the years i've changed a bit i suppose i've mellowed
i've become a bit more forgiving and i did feel a lot of anger at first but i feel a bit better now
we trust the police to sort it all out for us they've been very good end quote i know it's like
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kills me that makes me so sad i know it's soul crushing really i couldn't even imagine there's
like walking past i'm sure it's not like the biggest town with like a whole bunch of people
in it since they see each other often it seems like yeah they're like just to walk by someone
that's like a suspect and like your daughter's murder yeah i couldn't no i couldn't either
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this takes a lot of willpower and strength to do something like that
which i'm not sure i have completely yes the prime suspect of course to this day claims his
innocence and the whole thing and insists that he didn't even know johanna unfortunately police
are still investigating johanna's case to this day what are your thoughts wait he said he doesn't
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know joanna that's what he said yeah but hasn't everyone said he likes joanna okay liar liar what
oh yeah well that was sad i don't like that case i'm sorry you did good but it just makes me sad
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it is a really sad case it's like it seemed very i mean like murder senseless always but
this one really did seem like completely senseless and if it was an accident like you
should just tell someone you know and don't don't let the bystander effect happen to you
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report shit if you see it help people if they need it help people out yeah don't just stand
there don't just record do some shit okay any other thoughts on the case no no me either well
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sorry to have a sad christmas case but i hope everybody did have a good christmas
well that's it folks i hope you've stuck around for this long and if not i don't blame you
but if so thanks until next time stay high stay safe and thank you for watching no god
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Season 3, Episode 8. I'm Kai and this is QueenReefer. How are you today?
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I'm doing good. How are you? I'm good. Good. Yeah. Slaying the day?
Hmm. I'm trying. You're slaying the day. I'm slaying something. You're slaying.
Slay. I put it down. I was only playing with it because we weren't talking.
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He doesn't believe in me. Let me have it. I'll prove myself. No, please. I'll prove myself.
This will be a good challenge for me. Please. Get fucked. Get fucked, man. It's fine.
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Well, that's why I wanted to know your shot. It's okay. It's a good challenge for me.
But I really want to touch it now. No, it's okay. It's a good exercise. Is this recording? Yeah.
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Thank God. It's a good exercise. I haven't touched my hair clip. Tell me you're proud of me right now.
Tell me I'm good. Tell me I'm good. Tell me I'm good. Matthew, just take it.
In the ass. I touched the butt. She almost touched it. No, I didn't. I was here. She said,
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I touched the butt. Am I going to touch it? I can prove myself worthy. It's nothing about
yourself worth. It's more of just. No, I can do it. I have a lot to prove to myself.
Everything to do with your self worth for sure. Yeah. If I touch that, I am worthless.
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That's what Matt told me. It is what Matt told you, huh?
Yeah. Matt said Queen Reifers worthless if she touches that thing that's off camera right now.
He did. Well, I'm sure you know where it's at now because Queen has tried to touch and look at it
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multiple times. I looked at it. I didn't touch it. You guys let us know if you see her touch it,
like Dora. She touched it. She touched it. Also, Merry Christmas, everyone.
She just called me Dora. No, I said, say it like Dora.
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Dora. Which I'm grown. What's happening? Dora's like four years old. I didn't call you Dora.
You said she's like Dora.
Dora. I didn't. That's why Matt is shaking his head. Because I said, you guys, let me know when
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she touches the thing like Dora. She touched it. She touched it. I said like Dora. I said, you like
what I said. What the hell?
You know what? You're right. I said, you look like Dora. You're in that fucking purple shirt.
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Where's your fucking backpack? In your fucking bag?
Well, I might as well put on my backpack because I'm going to carry you through this episode.
Oh, unbelievable. Jesus Christ.
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Mic dropped. All right, let's get it. I'm ready.
I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.
Do you have anything in your backpack that will help you focus?
Thank you so much.
Hey. She spent a whole beginning of an episode roasting me and can't take a Dora joke.
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I don't want to be Dora. I am going to use it the whole time.
I don't care. Actually, you know, doors, the Explorer. I'll go explore some things.
Yeah. Okay. I'm I'm done with it.
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She's crying through the pain. I actually can do a mean Dora impression.
Yeah. Yeah. You want to hear? Sure.
It's going to be so bad since I'm doing it on command like my Australian accent now.
That was funny as shit. All right.
It's kind of loud. So let's scoot back. Ready?
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Okay. Okay. Ready?
Does it have to be at the octave?
Yes. Otherwise, I can't do it. That's why I scooted back. You're welcome.
So
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I hope you guys are high because I am blazed clearly we're gonna get this thing started
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finally you ready? I'm ready. Alright. Our story starts out on the evening of December 23rd 1992
it was a very cold and foggy night in Waton Norfolk which is located in England not North
Folk Virginia I put it in there because I figured most people would not know that unless you're from
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England maybe Norfolk yeah I automatically went to the other Norfolk Virginia Virginia Johanna Young
was 14 at the time of our story and on this cold foggy day she asked her mom if she could go out
for a while Johanna's mom confirmed that she could leave for a while as long as she was out too late
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which I think is fair especially the being Christmas time equipment equipment Mary Chrysler
Johanna left her home at about 730 p.m. that evening wearing a purple anorak and just in case
you don't know what an anorak is because I sure didn't it is a long pullover rain jacket that
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normally comes down to your hips yeah but pullover not as it but yeah like a north face type jacket
I got a pink rain jacket nice I got a pink anorak yeah I had no idea what it was so I was like
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really just confused thank you for educating me on fashion you're so welcome Johanna had recently
gotten her heart broken by her now ex-boyfriend who was named Ryan Furman and this breakup was
actually so recent that her parents didn't know about it and they had assumed that when she was
leaving she was actually going to meet Ryan that evening she spent a lot of time at his house and
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you know hanging out with him she was 14 so makes sense it seemed like she was just trying to get
out of the house and get some fresh air and just kind of keep herself occupied after her relationship
ended didn't really have any particular plans to go hang out with anybody but was going out so
Johanna headed towards the town center at Walton and was spotted just kind of walking around the
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park area in that in the town center and this was between 730 p.m. and 845 that she was spotted
doing this and after 845 there was no further sightings of Johanna and she did not return home
Johanna's parents did not actually notice that she hadn't returned home until her alarm went off
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that morning and she didn't respond to it so I don't know I guess they didn't yeah I guess they
assumed that she had stayed at her boyfriend's house so they went and turned off the alarm and
didn't think anything of it because it was foggy that night so they thought maybe she'd just not
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walk home basically and it wasn't until her father noticed that Johanna didn't pick up her papers
that evening at 7 a.m. because she had a paper route that he finally was kind of like okay maybe
that's not what happened so they went ahead and reported it to the police hmm yeah so interesting
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yeah I don't know if it was like regular that she spent time at her boyfriend's or if it was just
assumed that because of the foggy conditions but they did say that it was unusual for her not to
do her paper route at least so at least that like yeah yeah singled alarm right dude oh I said
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singled signaled due to the unexplained nature of her disappearance the case received a great deal
of local publicity as the police searched for her and on the afternoon of Saturday December 26th a
man was walking his dogs down Gristan Road and this is also in one when he noticed a pair of
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shoes he did not search any further other than seeing the shoes and he went ahead and reported
to the police that he had found shoes because he knew Johanna was missing so after he reported it
to the police the police were able to confirm that it was Johanna's training shoes which tennis
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shoes in England training shoes training shoes I thought that was a kid I know I love the light
differences I know it's adorable wonder if they like that with us or they hate it I don't know
like I was a watching a thousand pound sisters the other day yeah I love that show and they went
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to England and they were asking their like taxi driver like what they call like certain things and
for sidewalks they call it the pavement the pavement walking on the pavement just the pavement
I love it I love it too yeah well they noticed her training shoes in the undergrowth and they were
too matchstick kicker and both shoes had muddy soles but they were both setting are like set neatly
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side-by-side each other on this unnamed road called Gillum's drift so I'm assuming it was unpaved
since it says unmade yeah yeah they then found her tights in the same area but in like a hedge
like a big bush and after that they went ahead and set up a like a search perimeter around the
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area to go ahead and look for Johanna as they searched they came across an old clay pit full
of rainwater and rusty old oil drums a search of the pit confirmed what everybody had feared and
they found Johanna Young's lifelifts body floating face down in the water and she was still wearing
her purple jacket the body was actually found approximately 120 to 140 yards from where her
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shoes had been found so not too far and like I said Johanna's body was face down in the water
and her lower half of her body was nude so she was wearing a jacket on the top half but nothing
on the bottom half and like I said they found her tights but they did not find her pants at the time
her body was covered in scratches and postmortem and and a postmortem examination revealed that
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the death was caused by drowning and a fresh fractured skull mm-hmm yeah which is really sad
but drowning yeah so she was alive after the fractured skull when she was put in the water
yeah baby fucking atrocious I know when the police went to her home to break the news to
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Johanna's father Robber who was actually described as a naturally gentle and mild-mannered man he
was obviously very upset and angry her mother Carol felt guilty for letting her go out without
knowing where she was going but most of all they just felt baffled by the events of the last few
days didn't really know where to start because they didn't know why she was going out or who
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she was hanging out with or even that she broke up with her boyfriend so I'm sure it was like a lot
of unraveling as they were finding out this unfortunate news yeah that's where we'll take
our first smoke break and this smoke break is brought to you by hairclip since police had
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located Johanna's body they now focused on investigating her murder and trying to bring
her family justice for this unspeakable crime unfortunately this case did prove to be pretty
difficult from the beginning for police the long hours that she spent in the icy water had destroyed
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a lot of the evidence that might have helped the pathologist that was doing her autopsy and he
really couldn't even give them a time of death due to the body's condition and being in the
water so long so it was like one of those cases cases that it's like if they could have gotten
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to it a little bit sooner maybe they could have more evidence but also maybe not because of the
water you know how long in between her going missing in this again um she went missing on
the 23rd and she her body was found on the 26th okay so it's been some time yeah right and it was cold
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icy probably I know it doesn't speed up decomposition but I know probably because it's water does wash
off some stuff and probably like reserves the body yeah yeah so slows it down right um so that's
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probably why she couldn't or I'm don't know why I'm assuming she why the pathologist couldn't
figure out a time of death yeah Johanna's skull had been fractured like we said earlier and it
was likely that she had still been alive and unconscious when she was thrown into the clay
pit and that she had died by drowning in the rainwater instead of the skull fracture and
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although that she was half naked she was not raped either that was interesting well at least
that's like one good thing it's one good thing for sure but it's just like an interesting thing
um so I feel like that does add a little bit more of a mystery to the story because unfortunately
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like a lot of rapists recommit like reoffend and a lot of times it does escalate and so that's why
you would see something like this in a case but um it does kind of add to the mystery of like within
why why did you kill her you know what I mean like it's like unfortunate but also fortunate yeah you
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know the pathologist believed that Johanna's skull was fractured by a fall rather than a blow
oh which is even more interesting and he found out that her skull was actually unusually thin so
it was like thinner than most people so it had more of a chance of cracking than the average
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person which is very unfortunate like and probably why she was dumped into a water instead of like
and probably not raped either it probably was an accident anyways it's just an interesting fact I
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don't know yeah I thought that was crazy they did find drag marks by the clay pit and match them to
the scratches on the lower half of Johanna's back and it looked like her limp body may have been
carried by two people instead of just one person um one at the head of her body and the other one
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on the feet with her back like sagging in the middle um and that's why they could match the
scratches because they thought that she was as she was being dragged that's what made those marks in
the ground and that's what scratched up her back rather than an attack or a fight isn't that so
like interesting that they're able to like come to these conclusions was based off of like scratches
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or something right it's really interesting it is crazy isn't it they studied marks in the mud
found Johanna's footprints and her footprints were leading about halfway down the road before they
abruptly stopped so they went ahead and took plaster casts of numerous other prints and tire
marks that they found and they were kind of hoping that one of them maybe belonged to the killer or
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would lead them to some kind of clue that would help them but none of those tracks that they found
even gave them any type of lead at all only thing that they really found was that she had footprints
to a certain point and then they stopped so they really couldn't even figure out why because of
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the foggy cold weather there wasn't really a lot of foot traffic in the area nobody really out walking
their dogs or doing you know outside activities during this time so there weren't really any
eyewitnesses or anything that could say that they saw her other than that little
little time frame that she was at that park you know was this close to that park it was yeah
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yeah yeah so it made it really difficult to track down any potential eyewitnesses or next to
impossible they even find anybody that saw anything or thought that they saw anything for that matter
you know police uh knocked on people's doors they went door to door in the neighborhood
um the surrounding area that they found Johanna in and they did end up coming up with people who
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saw her so several different sightings including a man who had been walking in Gillam's Drift
just after about 11 o'clock on the night Johanna disappeared he and his dog had heard someone
stumbling in the dark and the man uh ran to fetch like a flashlight to get like a little
flashlight to see if he could shine it out and see something but by the time he had come back
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it was quiet and he had no idea who or what he had heard at all so I think he just kind of
chalked it up to maybe an animal or something yeah which is fair but the police had no motive
no culprit no leads and for a while it kind of stayed that way and stayed pretty cold and
unfortunately they really didn't even have a place to start looking yeah a major investigation
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took place during 1993 that led to a number of different arrests of different local men in the
area even though they arrested and suspected many men nobody had been charged in the connection with
Johanna's death they did however have just one singular suspect and a theory of what happened
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is it her boyfriend um maybe okay they just pretty much lacked all of the evidence that could connect
him to the murder or the crime at all so yeah because that's our next smoke break
sick dude sick man i'm so good i should get a clip and this smoke break is brought to you by
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i don't remember the rest of the words something in the skew
what you know about me what you what you know about me what you know about me what you know about me
and we're back from our smoke break so before our smoke break we were kind of talking about
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um the police their investigation and that they had kind of narrowed it down to one
suspect in particular um this suspect was one of the older boys who hang hung around outside of
gateway which was the area which Johanna's body was found and where she was last seen
and surprise surprise the local police already knew him pretty well he was a small-time thief
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and they suspected that he was bringing cannabis from yeah Threadford bad boy bad boy what you're
gonna do what you're gonna do when they come for you bad boy bad boy i literally cannot help myself
yeah because cannabis is so bad
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as i smoke as i just came back from a smoke break
so is that the only reason i assume well he was a small-time thief too
he was stealing bread small-time just like you know like aladdin type
small-time baby just like you know like aladdin type
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that's how i would say aladdin aladdin yeah does that mean have you not seen the disney movie
aladdin i have oh like bread and stuff yeah small times stuff just maybe some chapstick and stuff
so living in a lonely world yeah took a midnight train going anywhere
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so some of the kids around the area were getting pretty heavily interrogated by police just because
it was a 14 year old girl obviously her parents didn't know much they really didn't have anything
to go off of so they're like maybe we can try some of the fellow students that were in the school and
lived around the area um some of them did end up talking to police most of them didn't um but those
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who did agreed that their suspect was selling them weed and that they also said that he was a pretty
violent individual which is an interesting add to the case oh i really thought that was one of your
dogs goodbye bow we're opening presents now apparently so one of them said that he was violent
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and that he got his fingers broken by the suspect another said that the suspect tried to stab them
oh yeah and then several of them also said that this individual really liked johanna on top of it
so interesting little description of this man this little fellow here okay wait wait wait wait
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but didn't they say it seemed like two people are involved so do they have another suspect on top
of them no but they do assume that he did call someone as an accomplice to come help figure out
what to do which is also always a crazy thing wait i don't know if i have any friends that i
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could call and say hey i killed someone can you help me do this yeah i don't know if i actually
have any friends that would do it perhaps sorry if you called me i love you if you called me and
said something like that i'd turn you in as you should honestly i would expect you to
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maybe i would be calling to have you do that because i was scared
i'm too pretty for prison actually pretty for prison i've said this a couple times if i ever
fucked up and went to prison i think i would do okay i got the i'm tatted up i think i would
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scare people off enough i could also fight so that's also part of it that's a big part of it
i could also fight and i'm a gemini which has little to nothing to do with it but people are
scared of me for no reason because of that fact anyways rambling let's get on to the story so he
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always liked johanna that's what we're talking about and johanna had had several boyfriends
by the time of her murder and apparently he said that he wanted to make her his girlfriend he
wanted to be one of her boyfriends so i don't think it ever happened but that was the story
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around all the kids and what they were telling police and a big primary reason as to why
this guy was a suspect unfortunately they don't name him in the story which is probably good
because it's an unsolved murder and he's just a kid yeah anyways does it talk about like
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the boyfriend at all yeah okay just a little bit not a lot but a little bit because it's just weird
like the same day like they break up or whatever yeah that would be my suspect yeah always okay
the partner at least the first suspect police wondered if it was possible that their suspect
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had heard about ryan breaking up with johanna and that he had followed her on that dark night
the police had already guessed that the killer must be a local man because they figured well why
how else would they find that clay pit to dump her in um because it was located behind a lot
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of bushes and trees and stuff like that that's not just normal you can see it from the you know path
type thing they did end up going to this suspect's place of employment so that they could talk to him
and while they were there they told him that um the employer told them that this man had disappeared
just a few days after christmas yes and that the last time that they had seen him he had scratches
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on his face oh so he's looking pretty good for the suspect here they discovered that he had recently
repainted his car also repainted his car yeah after christmas too and they did end up tracking
him down eventually they arrested him and they held him for questioning they ended up seizing his car
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his clothes his shoes and they took dna samples from him and then they sent everything off for
testing fortunately nothing came back because they really didn't have any dna
from johanna because of her body being in the water for so long so yes they had all these
things to test but none of nothing to compare it to so it was really not helpful for them to convict
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this suspect because of that you can't really without evidence no you can't so police and
johanna's family continue to ask and search for new information from local people and they
surrounding area regarding anything that they may have seen if you know they may have heard this
suspect saying anything to someone because a lot of times they you know don't keep it to themselves
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yeah you know so none of that came up there was no buddy coming forward to have any information
i wonder maybe he didn't say anything did they ever get like a search warrant for his phone
is that a thing that's a thing did you get a search warrant for someone's phone totally to see
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if like maybe he called anyone or said anything totally this was in 92 so may or may not have
cell phone may or may not have used their own phone may have used a pay phone or something like
that because you know had those back then and stuff what i can't resist i'm not a
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phone johanna's parents carol and robert young wonder what she would have been doing
where her life would have been and who she would have become if her life wasn't taken
who she would have become if her life wasn't taken her father said quote she had a lot of ambition
more or less a different one each time she thought about it which is cute as fuck
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for a while she was going to be a motor mechanic so that she could help to mend the car when it
wasn't starting which i'm like oh my heart i know then she was going to be an interior designer but
she then dropped that because she had to go to two years of college and she was like fuck no i'm not
doing that relatable yeah i was like i totally understand that because fuck school there was one
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point in my time like your time in prison no uh when i was going to school that i really wanted
to be a neuroscientist uh-huh and then i looked it up because i was like oh what do i need to do
to get into this and it was like 18 years of school i said 18 years old huh no but never mind
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yeah you know i really was like interested in neuroscience for a long time but that's too long
right and it's expensive that's the problem like it might be one thing that you could do
as like a part-time worker and a part-time student but not with those bills on top of it
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you know what i mean like it's so hard but could you imagine what do you do for work i'm a neuroscientist
i'd be sick that's pretty cool it would be yeah so she said school fuck that i'm not going yeah
which i respect she was very bright and very artistic she would have found something he said
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end quote her parents know all about the prime suspect and who he is and carol says that she
sometimes sees him in town and that robert occasionally has to walk past his house which
i'm like because you uh that'd be so hard i know i would probably move yeah it's like that lovely
bones movie that's what it kind of reminds me of yeah it's like i i couldn't stand it like no
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no me either i could and probably as the suspect too like you have to know that
that they have those feelings towards you so i'm sure it would be uncomfortable or he doesn't give
a fuck or he doesn't probably just like i got away with it now yeah he might think it's funny
yeah you robert said i suppose i would like to knock 10 bells out of him really
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but that wouldn't really solve anything it makes you feel uncomfortable to have him walking around
but to be fair we can't be sure that it was him a lot of people say it was him but we don't know
that for sure i have often walked down the high street which is where he lives and look at the
fellow's face and thought could he have done it or maybe it's someone else with an odd face maybe i
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wonder if they could have done it but over the years i've changed a bit i suppose i've mellowed
i've become a bit more forgiving and i did feel a lot of anger at first but i feel a bit better now
we trust the police to sort it all out for us they've been very good end quote i know it's like
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kills me that makes me so sad i know it's soul crushing really i couldn't even imagine there's
like walking past i'm sure it's not like the biggest town with like a whole bunch of people
in it since they see each other often it seems like yeah they're like just to walk by someone
that's like a suspect and like your daughter's murder yeah i couldn't no i couldn't either
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this takes a lot of willpower and strength to do something like that
which i'm not sure i have completely yes the prime suspect of course to this day claims his
innocence and the whole thing and insists that he didn't even know johanna unfortunately police
are still investigating johanna's case to this day what are your thoughts wait he said he doesn't
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know joanna that's what he said yeah but hasn't everyone said he likes joanna okay liar liar what
oh yeah well that was sad i don't like that case i'm sorry you did good but it just makes me sad
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it is a really sad case it's like it seemed very i mean like murder senseless always but
this one really did seem like completely senseless and if it was an accident like you
should just tell someone you know and don't don't let the bystander effect happen to you
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report shit if you see it help people if they need it help people out yeah don't just stand
there don't just record do some shit okay any other thoughts on the case no no me either well
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sorry to have a sad christmas case but i hope everybody did have a good christmas
well that's it folks i hope you've stuck around for this long and if not i don't blame you
but if so thanks until next time stay high stay safe and thank you for watching no god
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