December 12, 2024 • 35 mins
What would you do if your loved one went into the hospital for care and then disappeared without a trace? Unfortunately for the families of Teteteki Gqotsi and Sandile Sibiya, this became a horrifying reality. Both men vanished from the hospital, with not even a clue as to where they could be. And things take an unexpected turn when the men are located. Come smoke and hang with us as we dive into this mysterious case.
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Happy 420! I'm Kai and I'm QueenRever and you're watching Stone Cold Murder. Just a PSA,
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audiences. Viewer discretion is advised. Hello everyone and welcome back to season 3 episode 6.
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How are you today? I'm good, how are you? I'm doing well. Yeah, are you? Yeah. Why you ask like
that? Because I've just been roasting you all night so I wanted to see if you're actually good or...
Yeah I'm good. I wanted to see if you need some uh some mustard for that burn. Mustard!
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Mustard! No I would like some rice though. Can't do that my fridge is broken.
So. I'll just be in pain. I kind of looked out. Well yay, so good for me I suppose.
QueenRever's just been roasting me telling me I've been old this fucking whole time.
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Well to be fair Matt started it.
Throw Matt under the bus huh? He said you're old because you dap the old way and this is the present
day. I thought that was all you. He said I had the 2010 version of Dap or something like that.
Yeah and you had the or the newer one or whatever. Yeah. Which you squeeze a hand and I
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quite frankly I don't like getting that intimate with people like that.
Not in that way. Not shit up my dick up your butt like. Well I don't want you touching my hand like.
Slide it.
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Anyway I'm old apparently.
And Queen is so young and not old and will never be old. Okay.
No it's okay I just turned 30 so I'm not really old. It's pretty old. You're halfway to 60.
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So okay I'm just gonna not now. I go on that note. I'm just kidding. I'm not doing that ever again
to you. Okay I'm kidding but can you look at the beans. I'm not doing that ever again.
I'm not doing that ever again. I'm not doing that ever again.
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I go on that note. I'm just kidding. I'm not doing that ever again to you. Okay I'm kidding but
can you look at the bean. Look at her. She looks she looks squished but she's not. She's just a bean.
She looks so chunky. She's not that chunky. She just is.
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Look she looks hefty and she looks like she has no neck heaven. Why am I so roasty today?
Well as you can see we have both indulged in the fine beautiful lovely
marriage and I hope you guys have too because we're about to get this thing growing. Not growing.
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I was so serious. It's so ready to start this. This motherfucker's growing.
Well let's go.
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Are you ready? Yes.
I'm ready because you know what if you stay ready you don't got to get ready because you're already
ready. Stay hard.
So this week we are heading to South Africa for this case. Okay. Our story starts out October 7th
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2017. A nurse was working what seemed to be a
normal shift for her at the hospital located in South Africa's western Cape. She was checking in
on her patients throughout her shift and one of her patients was 61 year old. Teteke was in the
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hospital recovering from an abdominal surgery that he had only two days prior which was on October
5th. So the nurse went in and checked on him at 5 15 on the morning of the 7th. She was making sure
he was comfortable and had everything that he needed and then she left the room to grab some new
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bed sheets to freshen up his bed. Okay everything's normal but when she returned her patient Mr.
Teteke was completely gone nowhere to be found. Interesting. Which was odd because he was covering
from that abdominal surgery which would have prevented him from moving very quickly and the
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linen closet was just down the hallway so not even a minute walk from where he was.
Oh weird. Yeah. And you would think too like if he got up and left like other nurses or other
people in the hospital would say. Especially if he was that close too. Yeah. So she went ahead and
searched for him around the hospital but ultimately turned up with nothing so she had some co-workers
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help look and they couldn't find him either. So what they ended up doing was calling his family
and she just asked the family if somehow did Mr. Teteke come back home with them. This call sent
Teteke's family into a complete panic because he was not with them at all obviously and like we
said he could barely get around from that surgery so they were like what the what the fuck do you
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mean he's not in the hospital. Yeah. You know like. He's supposed to be like safe there.
That's really concerning. Yeah. Really concerning. So his family went ahead and rushed down to the
hospital to see if they could find him maybe but when they searched they came up with absolutely
nothing either and they went ahead and reported to Teteke missing that next morning. So on October
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8th. So police came down and they searched the hospital as well but again nowhere to be found.
Which is crazy because it's a fucking hospital. Did like I don't know how it is in like different
countries but did it mention anything about like surveillance footage. I didn't see anything about
surveillance footage which makes me think that perhaps there was not a camera. Anything. You know
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what I mean. Yeah because you would like figure like he would be on there if there were. So yeah
nothing came up from their search. They found no clues or evidence to point where he could have
gone and honestly how he could have even left the room without like you said alarming the staff or
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showing any signs of a struggle whatsoever. Yeah. And especially if like what the doctor or nurse
said was true. I just went and got linen. Yeah. And it was like right down the hall like how
could he escape that fast. I have no idea. Or like get far enough where she wouldn't be able
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to see him walking away or something. Right. It's very odd. Very strange. Well that's where
we take our first smoke break. And this smoke break is brought to you by bread. Just bread.
And we're back. Two weeks later in an isolated part of the hospital that was under renovation
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so it was under construction. There were some construction workers that found the body
of Tatecky. And like a whole different section? Yes. Tatecky's body was found in the ceiling
curled up in the fetal position. Huh? The ceiling. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out.
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Pause. In the ceiling? But that doesn't even make sense. The storyline and timeline does not make sense.
What part? Because if the doctor only went to the linen closet just to grab bedding and she said it
was right down the hall. How would either A. Tatecky escape or B. Someone get him and drag him across
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the whole hospital and put him in the ceiling? That doesn't add up. It doesn't add up. That timeline's
not timelineing. It doesn't add up, you're right. But it's the only timeline we have to go off of.
I'm just saying. I'm not really sure. I'm just pointing it out there. No, I know. It doesn't
make sense. Someone's fishy. Someone's something. But the ceiling too is a weird spot to hide a body.
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I guess if the area is under construction, you would, I guess it's smart because nobody's going
to really be over there. But how does the body even hold it? The ceiling even hold the body.
Or how do they even get the body in there without no one knowing or seeing something?
Unless you're trying to say that he crawled up there, but I don't know how.
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Especially if he just had surgery. Yeah, no.
The tragic news was shared with his family and they were, of course, both horrified and confused
as to how something like this could happen, which I think everybody would be in this situation.
That's one of the last places you would ever expect something like that to happen.
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I know. You could think about it. We went through something where our dad went through surgery like
that. What would you do if the hospital called us and said he was just missing and then we found
him in the fucking ceiling somewhere? Hell no. That's crazy.
No, I can't wrap my head around it. Teteke was a father of six and had been in there for what I
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said was abdominal surgery. The surgery went initially well and he only had to be in there
for a couple of weeks just to recover because it was an intrusive surgery, regardless of it going
well. He was there a week afterwards and was not able to really get around on his own because of
it because the muscles and stuff were pretty significant there. I think whenever you have
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surgery, it takes some time to rebuild those to be able to fully have that range of motion.
Even though he was having that difficulty with his mobility, he was expected to make a full recovery.
It wasn't like it was debilitating for him. It wasn't the time, but he was going to heal.
His family obviously expected him to be safe in the hospital while he recovered and finding out
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that he was stuffed into the ceiling must have had to be gut wrenching for them. I couldn't imagine.
I'm sure everybody's wondering how did Teteke get into the ceiling and who would do this to him?
You know what I mean? I guess the hospital is a place to find vulnerable people, but like
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we said, we would think it would be a little harder to do something like this in a hospital.
Bekkah And especially too, either A, it has to be one strong motherfucker,
or B, it has to be multiple people because not just like the average person could just
pick up a grown human's body and just put it in the ceiling.
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Alexa Dead weight.
Bekkah Yeah, and the fetal position, I feel like tells me he was in pain or something. I don't know.
Maybe not. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but I don't think someone would stuff a body in
some place into the fetal position if they were killed before. I don't know. It's just odd. It's
an odd circumstance all the way around. And sadly, there wasn't really any evidence that
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held the police out in the investigation either. There was an autopsy that was performed,
but it was not released to the public or any of the family, which struck me as odd.
Alexa Is that common?
Bekkah No.
Alexa Dead The public is one thing, but not exactly. Not having the family allowed to an autopsy is a
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really weird thing. Obviously, things might be different in South Africa, but I would think that
you should have access to an autopsy, at least as like your, what do they call it?
When you sign off for people. Not like your emergency contact, but kind of.
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Bekkah I know what you mean. Yeah. I don't know.
Alexa chooses to pull the plug or whatever if you have it.
Bekkah Yeah, that seems weird. I almost like, I mean, maybe you'll get to it a little bit,
but it almost seems to me like maybe the surgery didn't go as planned or what they said. What if
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it didn't? And there was like malpractice and maybe someone was trying to cover their butt.
Alexa Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that could make a lot of sense.
It's odd regardless. And I guess if you're in a position where you could get your license taken
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away, you would become desperate. But Tietetsky's brother stated that he felt left in the dark
and that the family was losing hope and any answers from the police or for any answers
from the police. Police reported that the autopsy results pointed to natural causes of death.
Specific information on why this conclusion was determined is completely unavailable and has not
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been released to the family members or anybody. Bekkah That just seems so fishy. Like if it was
something of natural cause, why wouldn't you release the autopsy? Like it almost seems like
either A, like I said, something happened in the surgery and someone was trying to cover their butt
or maybe like one of the nurse gave him the wrong medication. And like there was like some kind of
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weird maybe medication that was in his system that maybe ended up to his death and then they tried to
hide it. Or even like, I don't know if you've seen this recently there. I can't remember where it was,
but it was here in the US. There's a nurse taking people's IV bags and putting stuff in it to kill
them. Bekkah Yeah, I saw that. Bekkah Yeah. Fucking crazy. Bekkah That's insane. Bekkah It really is.
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Like, people are so gross. Bekkah Yeah, they really are. A spokeswoman for the investigative
party stated that the family had been communicated with and had received the information regarding
the autopsy results. However, Tieteski's brother said that the hospital management said it was
clear that my brother did not die as a result of natural causes. Which I thought was interesting
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that the hospital- Oh, the hospital. Bekkah... Differed from what the police said. That was very
interesting to me. Because police said, died of natural causes, but did not release the autopsy.
Hospital said it was very clear that he did not die of natural causes.
Interesting, right? Bekkah Now, that makes me question what I just said about maybe a nurse
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gave him the wrong- I don't know. What? Bekkah It's weird. Bekkah And then, how, I guess, they
found the body. But why is the hospital management knowing more information than the actual family?
Bekkah Yeah, it's a big problem. Bekkah Right? Bekkah It is. Bekkah If they know what the autopsy said,
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why do they know but not the family? Bekkah Yeah, it's a problem, I feel like. Bekkah Yeah,
that's so messed up. I would be so pissed and livid if that was one of my family members and
they didn't give us that information. Bekkah Me too. Bekkah Just even for... I mean, it's not
going to change the outcome, obviously. But just for that closure. Bekkah Right. Yeah, because you
don't want to think that someone murdered him or whatever. Bekkah Yeah. Bekkah I think you would
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want to know what happened. Bekkah Yeah, that seems just so weird to me. Bekkah It's fishy as fuck.
They said that he died as a result of something and was placed where he was found. That's what
they believe. His brother suspects foul play or negligence caused by the hospital contributed to
how his brother ended up in the ceiling. So he obviously thinks that what you thought,
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that it was either a foul play on the hospital's part or just negligence completely. Then they were
trying to cover up their tracks and stuff them in the ceiling. Bekkah That's almost like...
Bekkah That's a lot of work. Bekkah That's what I'm leaning towards is like,
they were just trying... someone was trying to cover up something. Bekkah Yeah, because
they want to lose their job probably. Bekkah Or like their license or something. What other reason?
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Bekkah I don't know. Bekkah And then the not releasing the autopsy just almost doubled downs
on it. Bekkah I agree. Bekkah Why? What's the point of not releasing that? It just seems like
someone's trying to cover up something. Bekkah I agree. Bekkah But then why would it... what
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would the police have to hide of not sharing it? That's so weird. Bekkah It's very strange.
Bekkah Unfortunate. Bekkah It is, isn't it? I couldn't imagine. Tietzky's daughter said that
the investigation seemingly went nowhere and that she was told that there was nothing more that could
be done in the case. And just like that, Mr. Tietzky's case went very stagnant and very cold,
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leaving his family very upset and demanding answers honestly as to how this could have happened and
why did it happen to their loved one? The family hoped that the hospital would take some kind of
responsibility for what happened in Tietzky's case while he was in their care. But like, obviously
nothing came of that, which is crazy. Bekkah Yeah, that is absolutely insane.
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Tietzky Yeah, zero accountability for that, which I don't know how. The family was struggling to
come up with funds for the funeral, which was really sad. So obviously they weren't prepared
for that at all. And they hoped that at the very least the hospital would offer to help out with
the unexpected funeral costs, but nothing was offered. Bekkah Of course.
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Tietzky No responsibility was ever taken and no help was ever offered.
Bekkah No responsibility was ever taken and no help was ever offered to the Gravy family from anyone.
It's terrible. That's where we'll take our second smoke break.
And this smoke break is brought to you by
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Weeners. Not the kind in your pants, but the kind that roam free in the yard.
Bekkah Hi, Weeners.
Bekkah On May 10th of 2019, so two years later, a man named Sandil was rushed to the hospital
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in Durban, South Africa. Sandil was a construction worker and that day he was helping his neighbor
with a house repair and the wall of the house that they were working on collapsed. And this broke his
right femur. Yeah, which sounds horrid. I can't imagine. After an assessment and an initial
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treatment, Sandil's medical provider recommended that he transferred to a different hospital for
treatment so that he could be seen by an orthopedic specialist, which makes sense because of the
severe break that he had. Now, I'm not sure really how long in between him breaking his femur and him
being transferred over to this orthopedic specialist took, but his nurse said that she was preparing
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his things for transfer. She left the room, came back, and then Sandil was missing.
This is a different hospital too, you said? Bekkah A different hospital. This one's in
Durban, South Africa. Weird, right? Which, fun fact, Durban, South Africa
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is home to one of our landlocked strains, which is Durban poison. What does a landlocked strain
mean? It means that it is a naturally growing plant in that environment. So when you smoke
Durban poison, it's like an OG, OG plant. She grows in Durban, South Africa, and it's beautiful.
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It's natural there. Fun marijuana tip for y'all there. Now, like I said earlier, I'm not sure how
long the timeline was in between this, but I would assume it must've been like he stayed overnight
to where maybe he didn't have any family or something with him. Maybe they were gone, I don't
know, which made him completely alone and then missing. But I don't know how this happens where
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she's here taking care of him, getting ready for him to be transferred, and then all of a sudden
gone. Yeah, that's strange. Yeah. And maybe if there was family in the room, maybe they just
stepped out of the room with her and that's when he went missing, because it doesn't really say.
But regardless, he went missing and nobody... Is she okay? Yeah. She just was like...
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Getting cozy. I think so. Yeah, but regardless, Sandil was missing and just like to Ted Key,
he was in the hospital for something that would inhibit him from walking because he broke his
fucking finger. So at least, or at least like walking fast enough to where he could disappear
out of the hospital with no one seeing. That doesn't make sense. No way. No way he's doing
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that himself. So the staff searched for Sandil and again, couldn't find anything from him or
any evidence that pointed to where he could have gone or how he could have gone out of the hospital.
So they went ahead and reported him missing to the South African Police Department. And to Ted Key,
Sandil wasn't found at all. Like I said, no evidence. Even with the police's help,
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they found absolutely nothing, nor did they even know where to start.
Did they think at the time it was like correlated in any way?
I don't think they did. It doesn't say any correlations, especially because it was a little...
It was two years later and a completely different hospital. So I'm not sure that they figured that
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out or either right away or at all. Two weeks go by and the hospital staff began reporting what
they called an unbearable stench, which we usually know what that means. One of the staff members
discovered a leak in a storeroom and it was dripping with a suspicious fluid. When maintenance went to
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take a look on Friday, May 25th, Sandil's decomposing body would be found in the storeroom
ceiling. And the ceiling again? Again, in the ceiling, which two for two, that's wild.
Okay. Remembering up this point again, do they now think it's correlated? Or is it still not saying?
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It doesn't say yet. And if I'm being honest, it's been a while since I wrote this,
so I don't remember if they do correlate it or not.
Because I wonder if they started to think it was correlated and they started looking into
if there was any traveling nurses or something like that.
Right. Which is exactly what I would expect. Or someone who got fired from their job,
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ended up getting fired and then transferred to a different hospital.
I can't remember what serial killer it was, but there's a serial killer that lived here in the
U.S. that faked all of his credentials. He faked that he was a surgeon, faked that he was a nurse,
faked that he was a doctor and got jobs at different hospitals and was just able to just
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kill people throughout his career.
How do you like, how is that even a thing to be able to fake something like that?
Crazy.
Yeah.
It's crazy that it happens. So like it's not under out of the like question that it could happen.
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You're so sweet.
Just like to Ted Key, Sandal's body was obviously found two weeks later after he was reported
missing. And the oddest part of all was obviously that they were both found in the ceiling.
Like neither of them could walk by themselves even really.
Yeah.
And it's not like they crawled up in the ceiling. Like how would you from abdominal surgery,
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how could you lift yourself up? And then with a broken leg,
you wouldn't be able to put any pressure on it to like climb up.
No. Of course, with like a case like this, rumors swirled and swirled that Sandal was a psychiatric
patient and that he went crazy and ran away from the hospital staff. And then he unfortunately
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ended up in the ceiling. But we all know, like you just said, with a broken femur, like more
than likely you're not getting into that ceiling. You're not running away. Regardless, if you're
having a psychiatric break or not, that's not usually plausible. I will say maybe someone on
meth.
Yeah. I was going to say drugs.
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Something like that perhaps, but that's not what was happening in this situation. You know what I
mean? Like, I don't know. It's wild.
Yeah. And like, I mean, they probably don't know at the time that maybe there was another case,
like maybe they do, maybe they don't. But without that other information that we have to, like,
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they don't see that it's like just weird because two people are in the ceiling
at two different hospitals. But like for them, they probably,
like obviously don't have that information. So.
Right. It's crazy.
It's not like, oh yeah, this is definitely foul play in their mind.
So a newly appointed official for one of the health organizations released a statement
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promising to investigate how Sandil ended up in the ceiling. She also provided clarity that Sandil
was in the hospital for a broken femur and was not a psychiatric patient, as some sources had
previously reported. Despite these reassurances, though, they continued to claim that there was no
security issues or cause for concern at the hospital, which is interesting to me
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when they have no idea what happened to him. But.
Yeah. I don't know. Sandil was 53 years old at the time of his death and was a healthy dude,
otherwise reported in all sources. He was healthy, happy. He never previously suffered from any mental
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health conditions or cognitive impairment. So I don't know why people were really like pulling
that out. Yeah.
Of the hat. It's like a weird thing to say about someone, I guess. I don't know.
His family demanded answers, of course, reporting that they were originally denied the ability to
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view his body. Hmm. Which is another weird thing. Usually you have to identify them.
Yeah. But then again, like we were talking about earlier, I don't know how different it is in
different countries. You would think it would almost be the same, but.
And I would think that if things were different there, they would know that they can't view the
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body. Yeah. For it to be a surprise that they're not allowed to.
Right. Like it has to be weird. Otherwise they wouldn't say it, right?
Right. Very little followup has been released regarding the determination of death or the
subsequent investigation for Sandil's family. Both families have been completely left in the dark
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and left without their loved ones and numerous unanswered questions for both cases.
And unfortunately, nothing has been discovered. No evidence, no person of interest has been
discovered for these cases. And there's really nothing much for them to go off of, except for,
of course, some theories. So we've got a little bit of theories that people have come up with,
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but we're going to take a smoke break first. And this smoke break is brought to you by Poddog.
Poddog. And we're back from our smoke break.
We're going to talk about some theories that people have.
The first one is that both men crawled into the ceiling on their own.
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No. No. Immediately no.
No. Immediately no. I've seen what I needed to see and immediately no.
No. Yeah, honestly, I don't believe this one at all. Obviously due to the fact that Sandil
needed an orthopedic surgeon and rehab for his leg being crushed that day. Couldn't walk.
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Or I don't think could get into the ceiling for that matter, like crawl around. Are you kidding me?
That's what I'm saying. Like, not only could he not walk, but like
putting your weight on to lift yourself up is a whole nother different type, I would think.
Right. I agree. There's no way. And Tatecki had also had surgery that would have made it near
impossible for him to pull any of that off. So no, some people argue that the medication that they
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had been given for the pain and the surgery and all that could have affected them, making them
either scared and wanting to run away and hide, you know, like a psychiatric issue.
Also blocking out like pain receptors that they normally would feel.
Maybe that's how they got up in their current state. But like, I don't know, I don't think
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you're I don't think you're taking anything that strong that's going to allow you to get up. Like
if you are taking something that strong, you're staying in bed. You're staying in bed.
You're not. I could like, OK, maybe if it was a one off thing, but for two people, like not even
that like far apart in timeline, like to have been found in a ceiling, just that theory just doesn't
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make sense. Like, OK, maybe a one off where someone has a weird episode, but for two people
to have an episode like that just doesn't seem likely. And both victims aren't able to walk.
That's the issue, too. I don't buy it. No, I don't either. Another theory is that a staff member or a
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different patient killed them. And instead of dealing with it or alerting the proper people,
the bodies were just hidden, which in my opinion, a staff member seems more likely. But
it is such weird circumstances and a fast timeline, then it's really hard to come up with like a good
theory on how or why or what was able to be pulled off, I guess, you know, unless it was multiple
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people or. So first, were and understaffed or something to where they could get away with
something like that. Neither hospital has taken any responsibility, however, for what has happened.
And police seem to be keeping any information that they do have very close to the chest.
Both families are left with enormous losses and under answered questions as to what happened to
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their loved ones and. Left in the dark, like, I don't know, just really unfortunate. Nothing
has ever come more of this case. Yeah. So what are your thoughts on that?
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I mean, yeah, like what I said, I think it's very likely that someone's covering up someone in there.
I think maybe whether it was on accident or on purpose, I think they're just covering their butts
on something either a someone didn't follow procedure when doing the surgery or be like a
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nurse accidentally gave them medication that they weren't supposed to. And it killed them
and then tried to cover it up or it was purposefully not an accident. Yeah.
But before I say anything else, damn it, she just moved.
She looked like a rotisserie chicken with her own fucking arm.
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Like it was. She did. Did you see it? It was all tucked in and she looked like a rotisserie.
Well, a rotiss. Yeah. But yeah, that's that's my thoughts. I don't think it's very likely
that they got there themselves. You know, I just I don't buy it. I can't believe that.
I just can't. My head can't wrap around that one. All right. Any other theories or comments?
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No. If you guys have any theories or comments on this week's case, leave them down in the comments
below. But until next time, stay high, stay safe. Thank you for watching. Hey, guys,
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How are you today? I'm good, how are you? I'm doing well. Yeah, are you? Yeah. Why you ask like
that? Because I've just been roasting you all night so I wanted to see if you're actually good or...
Yeah I'm good. I wanted to see if you need some uh some mustard for that burn. Mustard!
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Mustard! No I would like some rice though. Can't do that my fridge is broken.
So. I'll just be in pain. I kind of looked out. Well yay, so good for me I suppose.
QueenRever's just been roasting me telling me I've been old this fucking whole time.
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Well to be fair Matt started it.
Throw Matt under the bus huh? He said you're old because you dap the old way and this is the present
day. I thought that was all you. He said I had the 2010 version of Dap or something like that.
Yeah and you had the or the newer one or whatever. Yeah. Which you squeeze a hand and I
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quite frankly I don't like getting that intimate with people like that.
Not in that way. Not shit up my dick up your butt like. Well I don't want you touching my hand like.
Slide it.
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Anyway I'm old apparently.
And Queen is so young and not old and will never be old. Okay.
No it's okay I just turned 30 so I'm not really old. It's pretty old. You're halfway to 60.
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So okay I'm just gonna not now. I go on that note. I'm just kidding. I'm not doing that ever again
to you. Okay I'm kidding but can you look at the beans. I'm not doing that ever again.
I'm not doing that ever again. I'm not doing that ever again.
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I go on that note. I'm just kidding. I'm not doing that ever again to you. Okay I'm kidding but
can you look at the bean. Look at her. She looks she looks squished but she's not. She's just a bean.
She looks so chunky. She's not that chunky. She just is.
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Look she looks hefty and she looks like she has no neck heaven. Why am I so roasty today?
Well as you can see we have both indulged in the fine beautiful lovely
marriage and I hope you guys have too because we're about to get this thing growing. Not growing.
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I was so serious. It's so ready to start this. This motherfucker's growing.
Well let's go.
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Are you ready? Yes.
I'm ready because you know what if you stay ready you don't got to get ready because you're already
ready. Stay hard.
So this week we are heading to South Africa for this case. Okay. Our story starts out October 7th
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2017. A nurse was working what seemed to be a
normal shift for her at the hospital located in South Africa's western Cape. She was checking in
on her patients throughout her shift and one of her patients was 61 year old. Teteke was in the
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hospital recovering from an abdominal surgery that he had only two days prior which was on October
5th. So the nurse went in and checked on him at 5 15 on the morning of the 7th. She was making sure
he was comfortable and had everything that he needed and then she left the room to grab some new
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bed sheets to freshen up his bed. Okay everything's normal but when she returned her patient Mr.
Teteke was completely gone nowhere to be found. Interesting. Which was odd because he was covering
from that abdominal surgery which would have prevented him from moving very quickly and the
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linen closet was just down the hallway so not even a minute walk from where he was.
Oh weird. Yeah. And you would think too like if he got up and left like other nurses or other
people in the hospital would say. Especially if he was that close too. Yeah. So she went ahead and
searched for him around the hospital but ultimately turned up with nothing so she had some co-workers
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help look and they couldn't find him either. So what they ended up doing was calling his family
and she just asked the family if somehow did Mr. Teteke come back home with them. This call sent
Teteke's family into a complete panic because he was not with them at all obviously and like we
said he could barely get around from that surgery so they were like what the what the fuck do you
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mean he's not in the hospital. Yeah. You know like. He's supposed to be like safe there.
That's really concerning. Yeah. Really concerning. So his family went ahead and rushed down to the
hospital to see if they could find him maybe but when they searched they came up with absolutely
nothing either and they went ahead and reported to Teteke missing that next morning. So on October
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8th. So police came down and they searched the hospital as well but again nowhere to be found.
Which is crazy because it's a fucking hospital. Did like I don't know how it is in like different
countries but did it mention anything about like surveillance footage. I didn't see anything about
surveillance footage which makes me think that perhaps there was not a camera. Anything. You know
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what I mean. Yeah because you would like figure like he would be on there if there were. So yeah
nothing came up from their search. They found no clues or evidence to point where he could have
gone and honestly how he could have even left the room without like you said alarming the staff or
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showing any signs of a struggle whatsoever. Yeah. And especially if like what the doctor or nurse
said was true. I just went and got linen. Yeah. And it was like right down the hall like how
could he escape that fast. I have no idea. Or like get far enough where she wouldn't be able
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to see him walking away or something. Right. It's very odd. Very strange. Well that's where
we take our first smoke break. And this smoke break is brought to you by bread. Just bread.
And we're back. Two weeks later in an isolated part of the hospital that was under renovation
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so it was under construction. There were some construction workers that found the body
of Tatecky. And like a whole different section? Yes. Tatecky's body was found in the ceiling
curled up in the fetal position. Huh? The ceiling. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out.
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Pause. In the ceiling? But that doesn't even make sense. The storyline and timeline does not make sense.
What part? Because if the doctor only went to the linen closet just to grab bedding and she said it
was right down the hall. How would either A. Tatecky escape or B. Someone get him and drag him across
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the whole hospital and put him in the ceiling? That doesn't add up. It doesn't add up. That timeline's
not timelineing. It doesn't add up, you're right. But it's the only timeline we have to go off of.
I'm just saying. I'm not really sure. I'm just pointing it out there. No, I know. It doesn't
make sense. Someone's fishy. Someone's something. But the ceiling too is a weird spot to hide a body.
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I guess if the area is under construction, you would, I guess it's smart because nobody's going
to really be over there. But how does the body even hold it? The ceiling even hold the body.
Or how do they even get the body in there without no one knowing or seeing something?
Unless you're trying to say that he crawled up there, but I don't know how.
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Especially if he just had surgery. Yeah, no.
The tragic news was shared with his family and they were, of course, both horrified and confused
as to how something like this could happen, which I think everybody would be in this situation.
That's one of the last places you would ever expect something like that to happen.
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I know. You could think about it. We went through something where our dad went through surgery like
that. What would you do if the hospital called us and said he was just missing and then we found
him in the fucking ceiling somewhere? Hell no. That's crazy.
No, I can't wrap my head around it. Teteke was a father of six and had been in there for what I
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said was abdominal surgery. The surgery went initially well and he only had to be in there
for a couple of weeks just to recover because it was an intrusive surgery, regardless of it going
well. He was there a week afterwards and was not able to really get around on his own because of
it because the muscles and stuff were pretty significant there. I think whenever you have
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surgery, it takes some time to rebuild those to be able to fully have that range of motion.
Even though he was having that difficulty with his mobility, he was expected to make a full recovery.
It wasn't like it was debilitating for him. It wasn't the time, but he was going to heal.
His family obviously expected him to be safe in the hospital while he recovered and finding out
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that he was stuffed into the ceiling must have had to be gut wrenching for them. I couldn't imagine.
I'm sure everybody's wondering how did Teteke get into the ceiling and who would do this to him?
You know what I mean? I guess the hospital is a place to find vulnerable people, but like
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we said, we would think it would be a little harder to do something like this in a hospital.
Bekkah And especially too, either A, it has to be one strong motherfucker,
or B, it has to be multiple people because not just like the average person could just
pick up a grown human's body and just put it in the ceiling.
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Alexa Dead weight.
Bekkah Yeah, and the fetal position, I feel like tells me he was in pain or something. I don't know.
Maybe not. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but I don't think someone would stuff a body in
some place into the fetal position if they were killed before. I don't know. It's just odd. It's
an odd circumstance all the way around. And sadly, there wasn't really any evidence that
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held the police out in the investigation either. There was an autopsy that was performed,
but it was not released to the public or any of the family, which struck me as odd.
Alexa Is that common?
Bekkah No.
Alexa Dead The public is one thing, but not exactly. Not having the family allowed to an autopsy is a
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really weird thing. Obviously, things might be different in South Africa, but I would think that
you should have access to an autopsy, at least as like your, what do they call it?
When you sign off for people. Not like your emergency contact, but kind of.
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Bekkah I know what you mean. Yeah. I don't know.
Alexa chooses to pull the plug or whatever if you have it.
Bekkah Yeah, that seems weird. I almost like, I mean, maybe you'll get to it a little bit,
but it almost seems to me like maybe the surgery didn't go as planned or what they said. What if
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it didn't? And there was like malpractice and maybe someone was trying to cover their butt.
Alexa Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that could make a lot of sense.
It's odd regardless. And I guess if you're in a position where you could get your license taken
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away, you would become desperate. But Tietetsky's brother stated that he felt left in the dark
and that the family was losing hope and any answers from the police or for any answers
from the police. Police reported that the autopsy results pointed to natural causes of death.
Specific information on why this conclusion was determined is completely unavailable and has not
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been released to the family members or anybody. Bekkah That just seems so fishy. Like if it was
something of natural cause, why wouldn't you release the autopsy? Like it almost seems like
either A, like I said, something happened in the surgery and someone was trying to cover their butt
or maybe like one of the nurse gave him the wrong medication. And like there was like some kind of
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weird maybe medication that was in his system that maybe ended up to his death and then they tried to
hide it. Or even like, I don't know if you've seen this recently there. I can't remember where it was,
but it was here in the US. There's a nurse taking people's IV bags and putting stuff in it to kill
them. Bekkah Yeah, I saw that. Bekkah Yeah. Fucking crazy. Bekkah That's insane. Bekkah It really is.
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Like, people are so gross. Bekkah Yeah, they really are. A spokeswoman for the investigative
party stated that the family had been communicated with and had received the information regarding
the autopsy results. However, Tieteski's brother said that the hospital management said it was
clear that my brother did not die as a result of natural causes. Which I thought was interesting
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that the hospital- Oh, the hospital. Bekkah... Differed from what the police said. That was very
interesting to me. Because police said, died of natural causes, but did not release the autopsy.
Hospital said it was very clear that he did not die of natural causes.
Interesting, right? Bekkah Now, that makes me question what I just said about maybe a nurse
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gave him the wrong- I don't know. What? Bekkah It's weird. Bekkah And then, how, I guess, they
found the body. But why is the hospital management knowing more information than the actual family?
Bekkah Yeah, it's a big problem. Bekkah Right? Bekkah It is. Bekkah If they know what the autopsy said,
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why do they know but not the family? Bekkah Yeah, it's a problem, I feel like. Bekkah Yeah,
that's so messed up. I would be so pissed and livid if that was one of my family members and
they didn't give us that information. Bekkah Me too. Bekkah Just even for... I mean, it's not
going to change the outcome, obviously. But just for that closure. Bekkah Right. Yeah, because you
don't want to think that someone murdered him or whatever. Bekkah Yeah. Bekkah I think you would
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want to know what happened. Bekkah Yeah, that seems just so weird to me. Bekkah It's fishy as fuck.
They said that he died as a result of something and was placed where he was found. That's what
they believe. His brother suspects foul play or negligence caused by the hospital contributed to
how his brother ended up in the ceiling. So he obviously thinks that what you thought,
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that it was either a foul play on the hospital's part or just negligence completely. Then they were
trying to cover up their tracks and stuff them in the ceiling. Bekkah That's almost like...
Bekkah That's a lot of work. Bekkah That's what I'm leaning towards is like,
they were just trying... someone was trying to cover up something. Bekkah Yeah, because
they want to lose their job probably. Bekkah Or like their license or something. What other reason?
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Bekkah I don't know. Bekkah And then the not releasing the autopsy just almost doubled downs
on it. Bekkah I agree. Bekkah Why? What's the point of not releasing that? It just seems like
someone's trying to cover up something. Bekkah I agree. Bekkah But then why would it... what
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would the police have to hide of not sharing it? That's so weird. Bekkah It's very strange.
Bekkah Unfortunate. Bekkah It is, isn't it? I couldn't imagine. Tietzky's daughter said that
the investigation seemingly went nowhere and that she was told that there was nothing more that could
be done in the case. And just like that, Mr. Tietzky's case went very stagnant and very cold,
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leaving his family very upset and demanding answers honestly as to how this could have happened and
why did it happen to their loved one? The family hoped that the hospital would take some kind of
responsibility for what happened in Tietzky's case while he was in their care. But like, obviously
nothing came of that, which is crazy. Bekkah Yeah, that is absolutely insane.
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Tietzky Yeah, zero accountability for that, which I don't know how. The family was struggling to
come up with funds for the funeral, which was really sad. So obviously they weren't prepared
for that at all. And they hoped that at the very least the hospital would offer to help out with
the unexpected funeral costs, but nothing was offered. Bekkah Of course.
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Tietzky No responsibility was ever taken and no help was ever offered.
Bekkah No responsibility was ever taken and no help was ever offered to the Gravy family from anyone.
It's terrible. That's where we'll take our second smoke break.
And this smoke break is brought to you by
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Weeners. Not the kind in your pants, but the kind that roam free in the yard.
Bekkah Hi, Weeners.
Bekkah On May 10th of 2019, so two years later, a man named Sandil was rushed to the hospital
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in Durban, South Africa. Sandil was a construction worker and that day he was helping his neighbor
with a house repair and the wall of the house that they were working on collapsed. And this broke his
right femur. Yeah, which sounds horrid. I can't imagine. After an assessment and an initial
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treatment, Sandil's medical provider recommended that he transferred to a different hospital for
treatment so that he could be seen by an orthopedic specialist, which makes sense because of the
severe break that he had. Now, I'm not sure really how long in between him breaking his femur and him
being transferred over to this orthopedic specialist took, but his nurse said that she was preparing
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his things for transfer. She left the room, came back, and then Sandil was missing.
This is a different hospital too, you said? Bekkah A different hospital. This one's in
Durban, South Africa. Weird, right? Which, fun fact, Durban, South Africa
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is home to one of our landlocked strains, which is Durban poison. What does a landlocked strain
mean? It means that it is a naturally growing plant in that environment. So when you smoke
Durban poison, it's like an OG, OG plant. She grows in Durban, South Africa, and it's beautiful.
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It's natural there. Fun marijuana tip for y'all there. Now, like I said earlier, I'm not sure how
long the timeline was in between this, but I would assume it must've been like he stayed overnight
to where maybe he didn't have any family or something with him. Maybe they were gone, I don't
know, which made him completely alone and then missing. But I don't know how this happens where
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she's here taking care of him, getting ready for him to be transferred, and then all of a sudden
gone. Yeah, that's strange. Yeah. And maybe if there was family in the room, maybe they just
stepped out of the room with her and that's when he went missing, because it doesn't really say.
But regardless, he went missing and nobody... Is she okay? Yeah. She just was like...
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Getting cozy. I think so. Yeah, but regardless, Sandil was missing and just like to Ted Key,
he was in the hospital for something that would inhibit him from walking because he broke his
fucking finger. So at least, or at least like walking fast enough to where he could disappear
out of the hospital with no one seeing. That doesn't make sense. No way. No way he's doing
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that himself. So the staff searched for Sandil and again, couldn't find anything from him or
any evidence that pointed to where he could have gone or how he could have gone out of the hospital.
So they went ahead and reported him missing to the South African Police Department. And to Ted Key,
Sandil wasn't found at all. Like I said, no evidence. Even with the police's help,
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they found absolutely nothing, nor did they even know where to start.
Did they think at the time it was like correlated in any way?
I don't think they did. It doesn't say any correlations, especially because it was a little...
It was two years later and a completely different hospital. So I'm not sure that they figured that
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out or either right away or at all. Two weeks go by and the hospital staff began reporting what
they called an unbearable stench, which we usually know what that means. One of the staff members
discovered a leak in a storeroom and it was dripping with a suspicious fluid. When maintenance went to
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take a look on Friday, May 25th, Sandil's decomposing body would be found in the storeroom
ceiling. And the ceiling again? Again, in the ceiling, which two for two, that's wild.
Okay. Remembering up this point again, do they now think it's correlated? Or is it still not saying?
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It doesn't say yet. And if I'm being honest, it's been a while since I wrote this,
so I don't remember if they do correlate it or not.
Because I wonder if they started to think it was correlated and they started looking into
if there was any traveling nurses or something like that.
Right. Which is exactly what I would expect. Or someone who got fired from their job,
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ended up getting fired and then transferred to a different hospital.
I can't remember what serial killer it was, but there's a serial killer that lived here in the
U.S. that faked all of his credentials. He faked that he was a surgeon, faked that he was a nurse,
faked that he was a doctor and got jobs at different hospitals and was just able to just
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kill people throughout his career.
How do you like, how is that even a thing to be able to fake something like that?
Crazy.
Yeah.
It's crazy that it happens. So like it's not under out of the like question that it could happen.
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You're so sweet.
Just like to Ted Key, Sandal's body was obviously found two weeks later after he was reported
missing. And the oddest part of all was obviously that they were both found in the ceiling.
Like neither of them could walk by themselves even really.
Yeah.
And it's not like they crawled up in the ceiling. Like how would you from abdominal surgery,
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how could you lift yourself up? And then with a broken leg,
you wouldn't be able to put any pressure on it to like climb up.
No. Of course, with like a case like this, rumors swirled and swirled that Sandal was a psychiatric
patient and that he went crazy and ran away from the hospital staff. And then he unfortunately
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ended up in the ceiling. But we all know, like you just said, with a broken femur, like more
than likely you're not getting into that ceiling. You're not running away. Regardless, if you're
having a psychiatric break or not, that's not usually plausible. I will say maybe someone on
meth.
Yeah. I was going to say drugs.
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Something like that perhaps, but that's not what was happening in this situation. You know what I
mean? Like, I don't know. It's wild.
Yeah. And like, I mean, they probably don't know at the time that maybe there was another case,
like maybe they do, maybe they don't. But without that other information that we have to, like,
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they don't see that it's like just weird because two people are in the ceiling
at two different hospitals. But like for them, they probably,
like obviously don't have that information. So.
Right. It's crazy.
It's not like, oh yeah, this is definitely foul play in their mind.
So a newly appointed official for one of the health organizations released a statement
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promising to investigate how Sandil ended up in the ceiling. She also provided clarity that Sandil
was in the hospital for a broken femur and was not a psychiatric patient, as some sources had
previously reported. Despite these reassurances, though, they continued to claim that there was no
security issues or cause for concern at the hospital, which is interesting to me
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when they have no idea what happened to him. But.
Yeah. I don't know. Sandil was 53 years old at the time of his death and was a healthy dude,
otherwise reported in all sources. He was healthy, happy. He never previously suffered from any mental
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health conditions or cognitive impairment. So I don't know why people were really like pulling
that out. Yeah.
Of the hat. It's like a weird thing to say about someone, I guess. I don't know.
His family demanded answers, of course, reporting that they were originally denied the ability to
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view his body. Hmm. Which is another weird thing. Usually you have to identify them.
Yeah. But then again, like we were talking about earlier, I don't know how different it is in
different countries. You would think it would almost be the same, but.
And I would think that if things were different there, they would know that they can't view the
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body. Yeah. For it to be a surprise that they're not allowed to.
Right. Like it has to be weird. Otherwise they wouldn't say it, right?
Right. Very little followup has been released regarding the determination of death or the
subsequent investigation for Sandil's family. Both families have been completely left in the dark
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and left without their loved ones and numerous unanswered questions for both cases.
And unfortunately, nothing has been discovered. No evidence, no person of interest has been
discovered for these cases. And there's really nothing much for them to go off of, except for,
of course, some theories. So we've got a little bit of theories that people have come up with,
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but we're going to take a smoke break first. And this smoke break is brought to you by Poddog.
Poddog. And we're back from our smoke break.
We're going to talk about some theories that people have.
The first one is that both men crawled into the ceiling on their own.
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No. No. Immediately no.
No. Immediately no. I've seen what I needed to see and immediately no.
No. Yeah, honestly, I don't believe this one at all. Obviously due to the fact that Sandil
needed an orthopedic surgeon and rehab for his leg being crushed that day. Couldn't walk.
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Or I don't think could get into the ceiling for that matter, like crawl around. Are you kidding me?
That's what I'm saying. Like, not only could he not walk, but like
putting your weight on to lift yourself up is a whole nother different type, I would think.
Right. I agree. There's no way. And Tatecki had also had surgery that would have made it near
impossible for him to pull any of that off. So no, some people argue that the medication that they
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had been given for the pain and the surgery and all that could have affected them, making them
either scared and wanting to run away and hide, you know, like a psychiatric issue.
Also blocking out like pain receptors that they normally would feel.
Maybe that's how they got up in their current state. But like, I don't know, I don't think
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you're I don't think you're taking anything that strong that's going to allow you to get up. Like
if you are taking something that strong, you're staying in bed. You're staying in bed.
You're not. I could like, OK, maybe if it was a one off thing, but for two people, like not even
that like far apart in timeline, like to have been found in a ceiling, just that theory just doesn't
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make sense. Like, OK, maybe a one off where someone has a weird episode, but for two people
to have an episode like that just doesn't seem likely. And both victims aren't able to walk.
That's the issue, too. I don't buy it. No, I don't either. Another theory is that a staff member or a
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different patient killed them. And instead of dealing with it or alerting the proper people,
the bodies were just hidden, which in my opinion, a staff member seems more likely. But
it is such weird circumstances and a fast timeline, then it's really hard to come up with like a good
theory on how or why or what was able to be pulled off, I guess, you know, unless it was multiple
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people or. So first, were and understaffed or something to where they could get away with
something like that. Neither hospital has taken any responsibility, however, for what has happened.
And police seem to be keeping any information that they do have very close to the chest.
Both families are left with enormous losses and under answered questions as to what happened to
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their loved ones and. Left in the dark, like, I don't know, just really unfortunate. Nothing
has ever come more of this case. Yeah. So what are your thoughts on that?
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I mean, yeah, like what I said, I think it's very likely that someone's covering up someone in there.
I think maybe whether it was on accident or on purpose, I think they're just covering their butts
on something either a someone didn't follow procedure when doing the surgery or be like a
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nurse accidentally gave them medication that they weren't supposed to. And it killed them
and then tried to cover it up or it was purposefully not an accident. Yeah.
But before I say anything else, damn it, she just moved.
She looked like a rotisserie chicken with her own fucking arm.
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Like it was. She did. Did you see it? It was all tucked in and she looked like a rotisserie.
Well, a rotiss. Yeah. But yeah, that's that's my thoughts. I don't think it's very likely
that they got there themselves. You know, I just I don't buy it. I can't believe that.
I just can't. My head can't wrap around that one. All right. Any other theories or comments?
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No. If you guys have any theories or comments on this week's case, leave them down in the comments
below. But until next time, stay high, stay safe. Thank you for watching. Hey, guys,
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!