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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Stop Drinking Podcast, where we help
you make stopping drinking asimple, logical and easy
decision.
We help you with tips, toolsand strategies to start living
your best life when alcohol-free.
If you want to learn more aboutstop drinking coaching, then
head over to wwwsoberclearcom.
(00:21):
So I've just seen this videoand I'm pretty annoyed.
I don't want to be a gossip andI don't want to be too harsh,
but we need to watch this.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's the third, but we're heading into the Fourth of
July, weekend it's upon us, andthat means barbecues,
festivities and, for some, youknow, alcoholic beverages.
Now, for years, the generalguideline has been to limit
alcohol to two drinks a day, butthat may soon change.
Joining us with some insight,dr Jolene Hubber.
She's a line of health medicaloncologist.
Dr Hubber thanks for being withus this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I think it's really interesting that we're talking
to an oncologist, because we'veheard more and more recently
about a possible connectionbetween alcohol and cancer.
Can you tell us what the latestresearch says?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Wait, let's just interrupt right there.
Did she just say a possibleconnection between drinking
alcohol and cancer Possible?
It ain't possible.
It's scientifically proven.
The problem is most of thepopulation don't know about it.
There have been surveys thatshow that most of the adult
population are blind to thisfact.
There is actual evidence ofthis.
(01:24):
In 2020, they found out thatonly 27% of the population think
that there's a link betweenalcohol and cancer.
So I don't know what the heckshe's using this language for.
Maybe they're afraid of peopleclicking off the TV show if she
gets too brutal.
But let's continue.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, so the research has been a little bit
conflicting and a little bitcomplex, but we know that
there's definitely evidence thatcertain common cancers are
associated with alcohol use andalcohol is technically
classified as a carcinogen.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Whoa, we know that there's.
Why can't they just say itblack and white?
Alcohol causes cancer.
Why are we beating around thebush here?
Sorry, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And when you say certain common cancers like
breast cancer, are those whatwe're talking about?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Correct.
Yeah, so biochemically we knowthat alcohol can increase the
risk or increase the levels ofestrogen which can influence the
development of breast cancer,particularly the hormonal
sensitive breast cancer.
We also know long-term alcoholuse can lead to cirrhosis of the
liver and inflammation whichcan lead to liver cancer.
(02:29):
So there are definitely clearrisks for certain cancers.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, I guess they were building up to the point,
but it doesn't take 90 secondsto say alcohol causes cancer.
I feel like they're really justdelivering this blow very
softly and it's not necessary.
Let's see what else they've gotto say.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
For a long time, the guideline was two drinks a day,
but those are changing.
What are the newrecommendations?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, so it was actually the.
Historically it was one drink aday for women, two drinks a day
for men, and now we expect thatthose guidelines will be
eliminated.
They'll change to recommendingthat Americans drink in
moderation and limit theiralcohol use due to certain
health effects.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
What does that even mean?
What does?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
that mean?
First question is why is thatrecommendation changing?
Why is the wording changing?
And then second in moderation.
What does that mean?
Does that mean less than onedrink a day?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That is an excellent question.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
A lot of people listening being like okay, well,
what should I do?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, I think the people's choices on whether to
drink or not really should beindividualized right.
So people may have certainmedical risk factors or family
risk factors that may influencetheir decision and they may want
to come back.
Other people may be comfortablewith more moderate consumption.
(03:48):
We generally try to stick tothat one to two drink per day
limit.
It tends to be on the weekends,such as the holiday weekends,
people drink more, but we reallydiscourage the binge drinking
which is getting greater to thatthree to five drinks or more.
What do you make of this newrecommendation?
(04:10):
As an oncologist, I'm a littleconcerned because of the
association with certain riskfactors.
However, I do think you knowalcohol won't necessarily cause
cancer in everyone.
So it is an individual choicebased on your lifestyle goals
and your individual risk factors.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So it doesn't sound like you're recommending people
stop drinking altogether, but itsounds like you need to make.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Wait, I don't understand this.
They're saying to drink less.
That's what the alcoholcompanies tell us to do.
Drink responsibly, drink less.
Do we say this to people whoare smoking heroin?
Just smoke a little bit less ofthe most addictive drug known
to man or, in alcohol's case,one of the most.
It sounds absolutely ludicrous.
Now, I'm sure this lady is verygood at what she does, I'm sure
(04:57):
she's an expert and I don'tknow what's going on here.
But it's almost like they don'twant to be too harsh because
I'm sure they're afraid ofpeople just turning off the TV.
So they're very soft with themessaging.
Now don't get me wrong.
Overall it is kind of positive,especially at the beginning.
They're bringing awareness tothe fact that alcohol is a
carcinogen Great.
But then this kind of beatingaround the bush like, yeah,
drink less.
If that stuff worked, nobodywould get drunk, we'd all drink
(05:20):
less.
It's a drug and the problemwith shit like this is how many
people are going to watch thisand drink less.
When I drank alcohol, if Iwatched this, do you know what I
would think?
I wouldn't think hmm, tonightI'm going to have just one drink
.
Well, do you know what I mightthink?
That that's exactly what Iwould think oh, okay, right, I
don't need to stop drinking, Ican drink less.
Great justification have onedrink, boom, I'm drinking 10.
(05:40):
Every time, every freaking time,and it's messages like this
that just exacerbate the problem.
Because, think about it likethis there is an element of
truth in what she's saying.
I'm not trying to be mean, I'mnot making this personal, but
the answer is clear.
There is no safe amount ofalcohol to consume Zero.
The same way that there's nosafe amount of cocaine to snort.
(06:01):
And to me, when people talklike this in this vague kind of
soft language, it doesn't helpanybody.
I always think about the amountof people that will do this and
go all right.
Tonight I'll have one glass ofwine and then they finish the
bottle.
And I will just say I do agreethat people should be able to
choose what they put in theirbody, but an expert, an
oncologist, recommending peoplestill drink this carcinogen and
this poison?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Anyway, let's finish it off.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So really talking with your doctor about your risk
factors for the development ofalcohol-associated risks is
super important and your doctormay recommend hey, based on your
particular factors, you maywant to limit or even cut out
alcohol use altogether.
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Well, Dr Jolene Hubbard, thank you so much for
being here with us.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We really appreciate it.
Yes, thank you very much, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm not even sure what to say.
This is, honestly, it deflatesme.
I feel just like, oh, go andsee a doctor to stop poisoning
yourself, and maybe the doctorwill say limit your drinking and
listen.
I'm not saying that what she'ssaying is wrong To me, though.
It is just absolutely terribleadvice.
(07:08):
Go and see a doctor.
Maybe a doctor will tell you tolimit your drinking or maybe
stop altogether.
Do you know what I would haveloved to have seen Is somebody
like her that's clearly anauthority on her topic.
She is literally a cancerspecialist.
I would have loved her just tosit there and look at those
interviewers dead in the eyesand say people need to wake the
hell up.
But it's media right.
(07:30):
Do you know what's going tohappen if they do that?
Half the population areprobably going to turn off, the
TV Ratings are going to plummet,but it's going to save people's
lives.
But anyway, it is what it is.
At least the conversation'sgoing on.
I just couldn't help but makethis video.
It needed to be addressed.
Thanks for checking out theStop Drinking Podcast by Sober
Clear If you want to learn moreabout how we work with people to
help them stop drinkingeffortlessly.
Welcome to the Stop Drinking Podcast, where we help
you make stopping drinking asimple, logical and easy
decision.
We help you with tips, toolsand strategies to start living
your best life when alcohol-free.
If you want to learn more aboutstop drinking coaching, then
head over to wwwsoberclearcom.
(00:21):
So I've just seen this videoand I'm pretty annoyed.
I don't want to be a gossip andI don't want to be too harsh,
but we need to watch this.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's the third, but we're heading into the Fourth of
July, weekend it's upon us, andthat means barbecues,
festivities and, for some, youknow, alcoholic beverages.
Now, for years, the generalguideline has been to limit
alcohol to two drinks a day, butthat may soon change.
Joining us with some insight,dr Jolene Hubber.
She's a line of health medicaloncologist.
Dr Hubber thanks for being withus this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I think it's really interesting that we're talking
to an oncologist, because we'veheard more and more recently
about a possible connectionbetween alcohol and cancer.
Can you tell us what the latestresearch says?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Wait, let's just interrupt right there.
Did she just say a possibleconnection between drinking
alcohol and cancer Possible?
It ain't possible.
It's scientifically proven.
The problem is most of thepopulation don't know about it.
There have been surveys thatshow that most of the adult
population are blind to thisfact.
There is actual evidence ofthis.
(01:24):
In 2020, they found out thatonly 27% of the population think
that there's a link betweenalcohol and cancer.
So I don't know what the heckshe's using this language for.
Maybe they're afraid of peopleclicking off the TV show if she
gets too brutal.
But let's continue.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, so the research has been a little bit
conflicting and a little bitcomplex, but we know that
there's definitely evidence thatcertain common cancers are
associated with alcohol use andalcohol is technically
classified as a carcinogen.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Whoa, we know that there's.
Why can't they just say itblack and white?
Alcohol causes cancer.
Why are we beating around thebush here?
Sorry, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And when you say certain common cancers like
breast cancer, are those whatwe're talking about?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Correct.
Yeah, so biochemically we knowthat alcohol can increase the
risk or increase the levels ofestrogen which can influence the
development of breast cancer,particularly the hormonal
sensitive breast cancer.
We also know long-term alcoholuse can lead to cirrhosis of the
liver and inflammation whichcan lead to liver cancer.
(02:29):
So there are definitely clearrisks for certain cancers.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, I guess they were building up to the point,
but it doesn't take 90 secondsto say alcohol causes cancer.
I feel like they're really justdelivering this blow very
softly and it's not necessary.
Let's see what else they've gotto say.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
For a long time, the guideline was two drinks a day,
but those are changing.
What are the newrecommendations?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, so it was actually the.
Historically it was one drink aday for women, two drinks a day
for men, and now we expect thatthose guidelines will be
eliminated.
They'll change to recommendingthat Americans drink in
moderation and limit theiralcohol use due to certain
health effects.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
What does that even mean?
What does?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
that mean?
First question is why is thatrecommendation changing?
Why is the wording changing?
And then second in moderation.
What does that mean?
Does that mean less than onedrink a day?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That is an excellent question.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
A lot of people listening being like okay, well,
what should I do?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, I think the people's choices on whether to
drink or not really should beindividualized right.
So people may have certainmedical risk factors or family
risk factors that may influencetheir decision and they may want
to come back.
Other people may be comfortablewith more moderate consumption.
(03:48):
We generally try to stick tothat one to two drink per day
limit.
It tends to be on the weekends,such as the holiday weekends,
people drink more, but we reallydiscourage the binge drinking
which is getting greater to thatthree to five drinks or more.
What do you make of this newrecommendation?
(04:10):
As an oncologist, I'm a littleconcerned because of the
association with certain riskfactors.
However, I do think you knowalcohol won't necessarily cause
cancer in everyone.
So it is an individual choicebased on your lifestyle goals
and your individual risk factors.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So it doesn't sound like you're recommending people
stop drinking altogether, but itsounds like you need to make.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Wait, I don't understand this.
They're saying to drink less.
That's what the alcoholcompanies tell us to do.
Drink responsibly, drink less.
Do we say this to people whoare smoking heroin?
Just smoke a little bit less ofthe most addictive drug known
to man or, in alcohol's case,one of the most.
It sounds absolutely ludicrous.
Now, I'm sure this lady is verygood at what she does, I'm sure
(04:57):
she's an expert and I don'tknow what's going on here.
But it's almost like they don'twant to be too harsh because
I'm sure they're afraid ofpeople just turning off the TV.
So they're very soft with themessaging.
Now don't get me wrong.
Overall it is kind of positive,especially at the beginning.
They're bringing awareness tothe fact that alcohol is a
carcinogen Great.
But then this kind of beatingaround the bush like, yeah,
drink less.
If that stuff worked, nobodywould get drunk, we'd all drink
(05:20):
less.
It's a drug and the problemwith shit like this is how many
people are going to watch thisand drink less.
When I drank alcohol, if Iwatched this, do you know what I
would think?
I wouldn't think hmm, tonightI'm going to have just one drink
.
Well, do you know what I mightthink?
That that's exactly what Iwould think oh, okay, right, I
don't need to stop drinking, Ican drink less.
Great justification have onedrink, boom, I'm drinking 10.
(05:40):
Every time, every freaking time,and it's messages like this
that just exacerbate the problem.
Because, think about it likethis there is an element of
truth in what she's saying.
I'm not trying to be mean, I'mnot making this personal, but
the answer is clear.
There is no safe amount ofalcohol to consume Zero.
The same way that there's nosafe amount of cocaine to snort.
(06:01):
And to me, when people talklike this in this vague kind of
soft language, it doesn't helpanybody.
I always think about the amountof people that will do this and
go all right.
Tonight I'll have one glass ofwine and then they finish the
bottle.
And I will just say I do agreethat people should be able to
choose what they put in theirbody, but an expert, an
oncologist, recommending peoplestill drink this carcinogen and
this poison?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Anyway, let's finish it off.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So really talking with your doctor about your risk
factors for the development ofalcohol-associated risks is
super important and your doctormay recommend hey, based on your
particular factors, you maywant to limit or even cut out
alcohol use altogether.
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Well, Dr Jolene Hubbard, thank you so much for
being here with us.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We really appreciate it.
Yes, thank you very much, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm not even sure what to say.
This is, honestly, it deflatesme.
I feel just like, oh, go andsee a doctor to stop poisoning
yourself, and maybe the doctorwill say limit your drinking and
listen.
I'm not saying that what she'ssaying is wrong To me, though.
It is just absolutely terribleadvice.
(07:08):
Go and see a doctor.
Maybe a doctor will tell you tolimit your drinking or maybe
stop altogether.
Do you know what I would haveloved to have seen Is somebody
like her that's clearly anauthority on her topic.
She is literally a cancerspecialist.
I would have loved her just tosit there and look at those
interviewers dead in the eyesand say people need to wake the
hell up.
But it's media right.
(07:30):
Do you know what's going tohappen if they do that?
Half the population areprobably going to turn off, the
TV Ratings are going to plummet,but it's going to save people's
lives.
But anyway, it is what it is.
At least the conversation'sgoing on.
I just couldn't help but makethis video.
It needed to be addressed.
Thanks for checking out theStop Drinking Podcast by Sober
Clear If you want to learn moreabout how we work with people to
help them stop drinkingeffortlessly.
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