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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Stop Drinking Podcast, where we help
you make stopping drinking asimple, logical and easy
decision.
We help you with tips, toolsand strategies to start living
your best life when alcohol-free.
If you want to learn more aboutstop drinking coaching, then
head over to wwwsoberclearcom.
(00:21):
See, jordan Peterson actuallyquit drinking alcohol decades
ago and, as we're about to findout, stopping drinking alcohol
played a pivotal role in hissuccess.
My team and I have dug deepinto hundreds of hours of his
content to find his best ideason stopping drinking.
We've identified 26 points thathe's made, and we're going to
show you how to apply thesepoints to you and your situation
(00:43):
.
Love him or hate him.
His advice has impactedmillions of people, and the
points that he brings up in thisvideo today could be the final
tipping point that gets you overthe edge where you can say
goodbye to this insidious drugonce and for all.
My name's Leon Sylvester.
I'm the founder ofSoberClearcom.
Let's take a look at what MrPeterson has to say, and I've
saved the most useful clip ofall to the end of the video, so
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please make sure to stick aroundand let's jump in.
One of the things that stuckwith me is esteemable people do
esteemable things and it's likewhen you have that choice to do
something better than alcohol,man, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and the funny thing is, if you're trying to
stop drinking, you needsomething better than alcohol.
You want to figure outsomething that you're doing with
your life that's worth notgetting drunk and screwing up
because that's fun.
You might say, well, why dopeople drink too much?
It's like, if you like alcohol,that's a stupid question.
Yeah Right, it's like why dopeople drink too much?
Well, because it's great.
You know.
It's like okay, so why stop?
Well, you do stupid things whenyou're drunk.
(01:37):
You hurt yourself, youcompromise your health, it's
really hard on the people aroundyou, you tend to turn into a
liar and it screws up your life.
It's like, yeah, but it'spretty fun.
Yeah, well, it is.
But you need something betterthan that.
And what's better isn't beingstraight and not making mistakes
.
It's like that's allprohibition.
In some sense, what's better isno, you need an adventure man.
You need to get out there andhave something to do Now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
In this first clip, Peterson brings up six key ideas
.
I don't agree with all of them.
I'll give you my take on things, but the overarching message is
pretty awesome.
It's just the first two ideasthat I don't really see eye to
eye with him on you want tofigure out something that you're
doing with your life.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's worth not getting drunk and screwing up,
because that's fun.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
The first idea that he brings up is that screwing up
is fun, and I really don't likethe way that he talks in black
and white terms here.
He's talking in absolutes.
It's binary thinking.
Screwing up is fun.
When I drank alcohol, I rememberwhen I woke up with blood on my
MacBook Pro, vomited this brownsubstance all over my MacBook.
I didn't have any idea what itwas.
I don't recall being in themiddle of Columbia blackout,
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drunk, fun.
Okay, maybe in the moment therewas an element of that.
So I see where he's getting at.
But this is a belief.
This is not black and whitethinking.
Screwing up isn't fun.
I don't know what hisexperience was with alcohol.
I kind of see where he's comingfrom, but he's not drank for
decades.
So through my work, through thethousands of people that I've
spoken to over the years with mybusiness with Sober Clear, I've
never once heard somebody say Ilike this idea of screwing up.
(03:00):
Now we just make a transitionaway from this point and does
give some quality advice.
But this first idea I don'treally agree.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
If you like alcohol?
That's a stupid question.
Yeah Right, it's like why dopeople drink too much?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, because it's great.
And the second idea that Idon't agree with is that he says
that alcohol is great, and thisI just totally disagree with.
Don't get me wrong, the rest ofthe video is absolute fire.
It's just these two points Idon't agree with.
Alcohol is not great.
Alcohol is poison.
It's ethanol.
It does nothing for youwhatsoever.
And holding on to this beliefand this idea that alcohol is
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great, I think is a pretty badidea, because you never really
start to see alcohol for what itis and in the back of your mind
you're always thinking, oh,that thing is great.
And when you do that you'vekind of got to resist the urge
to drink Because in your mindyou still think it's a good
thing.
And whilst he says alcohol isgreat, that is not a fact, that
is a belief, and that's a beliefthat he has.
So I would have just preferredhim to introduce this by saying
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in my opinion, alcohol can begreat.
Or what would have been evenbetter is if he may have said
something like in my experiencewhen I drank alcohol, there were
a few great moments.
That would have been a lotbetter, rather than say alcohol
is great Because it isn't great.
It kills 95,000 people each year.
It's a freaking carcinogen.
And drinking until you screw upand go and drive your car drunk
I mean, that's not fun to me.
(04:13):
I get where he's coming at, butthen he goes into the third
point, and now this is where thefire begins.
And, by the way, the rest ofthe video, the other points he
brings up, are just pure fire.
It's just these two points.
I can't ignore them.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, so why stop?
Well, you do stupid things whenyou're drunk.
You hurt yourself, youcompromise your health, it's
really hard on the people aroundyou, you tend to turn into a
liar and it screws up your life.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So the third thing he says is why stop?
And then he starts reeling offsome of the negatives.
Well, you do stupid things, youbecome a liar, you screw your
life up.
So now he's contradicting whathe said, and he's right, and, as
we'll see at the end of thevideo, you'll start to see the
realization that he had in his20s.
That really just took hiscareer to the next level.
You need something better thanthat Now.
The fourth thing he says isthat you need something better,
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and this was one of the biggestgame changers for me in my
journey of stopping drinking.
Rather than running away fromthe pain of alcohol, I replaced
it with a better quality future.
I had a vision for my life and,instead of just sitting around
in a circle in AA meetings andtalking about not being able to
drink, I did, and what Irecommend doing and what I agree
with here is that we all needsomething better to move towards
.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What's better isn't being straight and not making
mistakes.
It's like that's allprohibition.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The fifth thing he brings up is that being straight
isn't better, and I get wherehe's coming from there.
I would partially disagree.
It is much better to be 100%straight and not put poison in
your body.
But then he goes into the sixthidea.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, you need adventure man, you need to get
out there and have something todo.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And he uses an amazing word.
He says you need an adventure,and I think the word adventure
is a perfect choice ofvocabulary.
See, what we want to do when westop drinking is wake up and
feel excited to go towardssomething.
When I stopped drinking alcohol, I quit my job.
I immediately started abusiness, I booked a one-way
flight to Asia, I startedlearning all these new skills
with YouTube, with helpingpeople stop drinking alcohol,
(05:56):
and life did feel like one bigadventure.
I felt this new sense offreedom.
So I love this word and I thinkit's quality advice.
So let's play the next clipcontrol.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A proclivity to alcoholism can be a really
vicious thing.
You know lots of people getdragged down into the mud by
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alcohol, excessive alcoholintake, especially if they're
sensitive to the opiate responsethat alcohol can produce.
And when you drink, you knowyou get alert and, let's say,
more enthusiastic and energetic,and then you don't want to stop
drinking.
That's definitely a bad signwith regards to developing
alcoholism.
So I would say you need tofigure out something that's more
important to you than drinking.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Again another awesome clip.
He brings up four ideas here.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
What would happen in your life if your negative
habits got?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
out of control.
The first thing he says iscontrol your alcohol intake.
He uses the word control.
Now I don't know what he meansby this word.
I don't know if he'sencouraging people here to
reduce the amount of alcoholthat they drink.
When I talk about controllingyour drinking, what I'm talking
about is you have a choice andwhen you're in true control of
your drinking, you logically seealcohol for what it is and you
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control it by choosing to neverdrink it again.
But you don't fight the urge.
You don't resist alcohol.
You make a decision.
You see it for what it is andyou move on with your life.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
He doesn't define the word control, so it's
impossible to know what heactually means here.
One of the things that canreally help you control your
alcohol intake is to reallyreally think through what you're
giving up and where you couldbe in five years if you don't
get it under control.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Now the next thing he brings up point number eight is
he gives us an exercise to doand this is one of the most
painful exercises that you cando as a drinker, and it's to
play it out, it's to askyourself where is life five
years from now?
And when I asked myself thatquestion, I knew that I'd never
be the person I wanted to be.
I'd never achieve the goalsthat I had for my life.
I'd never, you know, become thehusband that I want to be, the
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father that I want to be, thebusiness person I would be alive
.
That's how bad I felt, that'show bad I could see it getting,
Because my drinking wasn't goingdown over time, it was going up
over time.
So this is a really usefulexercise.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Proclivity to alcoholism can be a really
vicious thing.
You know, lots of people getdragged down into the mud by
alcohol, excessive alcoholintake, especially if they're
sensitive to the opiate responsethat alcohol can produce.
And when you drink, you knowyou get alert and, let's say,
more enthusiastic and energeticand then you don't want to stop
drinking.
That's definitely a bad signwith regards to developing
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alcoholism.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Now, the ninth thing he brings up is that some of us
have an inclination to drink.
I recently met up with somebodyin person who has been watching
the YouTube videos.
We actually had a conversationin person and he was asking me,
like why, why do some people getaddicted to it and some people
are just able to kind of dowhatever they can, stop and
start, and what's the difference?
And I said to him does itmatter?
Does it matter if your brain isslightly different to theirs or
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you've had some trauma orchildhood experience?
Because the solution is thesame it's to stop drinking.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I would say you need to figure out something that's
more important to you thandrinking.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But then the 10th idea that he brings up is that
we need something more importantthan drinking alcohol, and he's
right.
He's encouraging people toproject into the future and have
something to go towards, which,by the way you'll find out at
the end of the video, is exactlywhat he did.
So you'll see exactly howJordan Peterson has applied this
advice to his own life toachieve the things that he's
achieved.
But it's just another greatpoint.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, alcohol doesn't bring out the best in
people's characters.
Alcohol almost universallymakes people less than they are.
It's fun because it eradicatesyour concern for future
consequences.
It actually kind of does thatphysiologically, you might say
Alcohol is a potentanxiety-reducing drug.
The consequence for me was, youknow, I would misbehave when I
was drinking in ways that mademe remorseful the next day.
(09:51):
I realized at that point thatwas a performative contradiction
.
In a sense, performativecontradiction is when you act
out something that's a lie, thatruns contrary to your moral
beliefs.
I was looking at the literatureon atrocity, trying to
determine how the proclivity tobring those states about, those
hellish states about, might beameliorated, like what's the
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opposite of evil.
That's the question I suppose Iwas trying to solve, and so
when I saw patterns of behaviorin my own life that were making
things worse than they had to be, then that was an indication
that it was time to stop.
Four more ideas that he bringsup in this clip.
You know, alcohol doesn't bringout the best in people's
characters.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The first thing is that alcohol doesn't bring out
the best in people's characters,and that's a bitter pill to
swallow, but it's true.
I know exactly what he'stalking about here.
I became self-centered, selfish.
I didn't really think about howit impacted people around me.
All I cared about was me and mydrinking.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So I know what he's talking about, but it hurts to
hear, it's fun because iteradicates your concern for
future consequences.
It actually kind of does that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Physiologically, you might say does that
physiologically, you might say.
He then says that it's againfun, which I disagree with.
But he says it eradicates yourconcern for future consequences.
Now, the scientific term forthis is called alcohol myopia,
and what we do is we want thisshort-term gratification and we
do ignore future consequences.
See, drink driving makes nosense.
Nobody would drink, drive sober, and I don't mean that in an
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obvious way.
But nobody really goes to a barand then says I'm going to get
absolutely shit-faced drunk andthen drive my car home.
Those decisions only happenwhen we're under the influence.
Now, jordan Peterson describesthat as fun, and sure, maybe in
the moment it is kind of fun,but I've spoke to people who
have woken up the next day andthey woke up in a jail cell
because they got a DUI.
Wasn't very fun for them.
(11:32):
Alcohol is a potentanxiety-reducing drug.
The next thing he talks aboutpoint 13, is that it's an
anxiety-reducing drug, which isabsolutely correct, but then
again we could also say it's adrug that probably causes more
anxiety than any other drug.
I don't know if you've everwoken up with a hangover and
thought, well, what did I doyesterday?
And had that anxiety justrunning through your body?
Because, sure, in the shortterm it reduces anxiety, but
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then what about after?
What about the consequence ofdrinking?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
The consequence for me was, you know, I would
misbehave when I was drinking inways that made me remorseful
the next day.
I realized at that point thatwas a performative contradiction
.
In a sense, Performativecontradiction is when you act
out something that's a lie, thatruns contrary to your moral
beliefs.
When I saw patterns of behaviorin my own life that were making
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things worse than they had tobe, then that was an indication
that it was time to stop.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But then the 14th thing that he brings up and this
is the most important thing ofall is that he stopped lying to
himself.
He started taking an inventoryof his life.
He started recognizing patterns, and when he started
recognizing patterns that wouldcause pain in his life, he
stopped drinking.
Now again, at the end of thevideo, we'll learn a little bit
more about what exactly happenedhere, but I think the important
thing to take away here is thathe was honest with himself.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Why quit drinking so I don't end up in hell?
Hey, there's a reason to stop.
And then, if you make that hellreal, it's like here's all the
details of my personal hell.
Yes, let's avoid that.
So then you have something torun the hell away from.
You're also going to find outwho your friends are, because if
you're starting to put yourlife together and you have
friends that object, those arenot friends, those are just
people you know.
(13:10):
A friend is someone you can tellbad news to.
They'll just listen and maybethey'll suffer along with you.
But a friend is also someoneyou can tell good news to and
the friend will say, wow, inthis veil of tears, something
good happened to you.
Great man, I'm wonderful, it'srare, it's unlikely.
Good for you.
I hope 10 more things like thathappen and they're not envious
and they're not jealous andthey're not one up on you.
And if you're trying to getyour life together and your
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friends get in the way, friendsget in the way, that's actually
real useful for you, becauseyou've now identified who your
friends aren't and you mightthink, well, I can't give them
up.
It's like, oh yes, you can, andnot only can you, you should,
and it would be better for them,because if they're aiming down
and they want you going downwith them, there's nothing good
about what's happening to themand there's certainly nothing
good about that for you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So we've got three absolutely fire points.
Why quit?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
drinking so I don't end up in hell.
Hey, there's a reason to stop.
And then, if you make that hellreal, it's like here's all the
details of my personal hell.
Yes, let's avoid that, right.
So then you have something torun the hell away from.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
The first thing he's doing is he's really finishing
off his point where he's talkingabout that five-year vision of
how life will look if youactually drink, and he's really
talking about gettingdescriptive with that vision of
how life will look and creatingyour own personal hell to run
the hell away from.
I love this idea and I thinkit's so important for us to
remember how bad things can get.
What could be a good idea is ifyou're kind of weighing things
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up and thinking how bad wouldthings get if I continue
drinking, put it down on paper,just literally.
Get yourself an A4 sheet ofpaper, write down where will
life be five years from now if Istay on the trajectory that I'm
on and if my drinking continuesto increase, and just write
down how life will be.
How will your relationship be,how will your health be, how
will your career be?
How will you feel?
Get descriptive Freaking sucks.
It's not easy, but it'spowerful.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You're also going to find out who your friends are,
because together and you havefriends that object, those are
not friends, those are justpeople, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now he brings up this topic of friends and I actually
don't think I've heard thisclip before, but he nails it and
this really does happen.
You do find out who your realfriends are when you stop
drinking, and he talks about howyou want people in your life
that aren't envious.
If you stop drinking alcoholand all of a sudden you're
making more money, you knowyou're looking better, your skin
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changes.
You don't want friends that arelike, look at him, he stopped
drinking.
Who does he think he is?
No, you want friends thatencourage you and it is 100%
true.
You will find out who your truefriends are.
I've got people that are stillin my life to this day, that
still drink.
I'm still friends with them,but they never discouraged me
from stopping drinking.
They celebrated it with me.
But I also had people in mylife that didn't.
They discouraged it, notnecessarily actively, but almost
passively.
They might just have made nocomment, given no encouragement,
no positivity, and just kind ofbeen like indifferent, and
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that's fine.
But were they my true friends?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And if you're trying to, get your life together and
your friends get in the way.
That's actually real useful foryou, because you've now
identified who your friendsaren't and you might think, well
, I can't give them up.
It's like, oh yes, you can, andnot only can you, you should.
And it would be better for thembecause if they're aiming down
and they want you going downwith them, there's nothing good
about what's happening to themand there's certainly nothing
good about that for you.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And then Jordan Peterson just delivers the
sledgehammer to the face right.
He didn't have a very delicatedelivery of this and that's why
people respect him so much, buthe says that maybe you will need
to give up some friends.
And then he goes on to say thatyou probably should actually do
this, because if they'redragging you down, what's the
point For some of us?
It's not always going to be ourfriends as well.
It might be our family members.
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We might have people in ourfamily that are behaving the way
that Jordan just described.
Let's get into the next clip.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
First of all, you have to make a moral inventory.
You have to figure out what'swrong in your life, which would
obviously include the alcoholmisuse.
You have to rectify that, takeresponsibility for it, try to
chart out a new course.
And so that leaves not only doyou stop drinking, but you stop
associating with your friends ormaybe even with your family
members that's really hard soagain two great points.
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You have to make a moralinventory.
You have to figure out what'swrong in your life.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The first is he says that we should take an inventory
of our life, believe it or not.
But this is actually a step ina 12-step program.
They get you to take a moralinventory, but I think he's
talking here in very generalterms and trying to make it more
relatable to everybody.
But he's right.
You need to look at your lifeand look at alcohol and say what
role does this have in my life?
Is this adding value to my lifeor is it dragging me down and
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holding me back?
Could I be capable of more if Iremoved it?
A lot of people drink alcoholbut they're in denial I hate
that word, but they are.
So you can tell here that he'stalking from experience.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Not only do you stop drinking, but you stop
associating with your friends,or maybe even with your family
members.
That's really hard.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Now he also brings up friends and family members this
time and he recognizes thatthis will be hard, and it is
hard.
I know from experience, I knowfrom the people who have helped
in my business, in SoberClear,that it can be one of the
hardest things ever.
It's painful and it sucks, butfor some of us it's a necessary
step.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah well, alcohol is an extraordinarily pernicious
drug, and if you're inclinedtowards it because you're
sensitive to itsanxiety-reducing properties, or
you can be sensitive to itbecause it enhances social
communication, or because itproduces a psychomotor high,
like cocaine, or all of those atonce, and if you're
particularly predisposed toalcoholism, you can experience
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all three at once, alcohol is areally bad drug.
50% of murders take place in analcohol-fueled environment.
Either the victim or theperpetrator, or both, is drunk.
It's almost the sole cause ofdomestic abuse.
It's almost the sole cause ofso-called date rape.
If you dig into criminalbehavior deeply enough, well
hell, you don't have to dig muchat all before you find alcohol.
It's also the only drug we knowthat actually makes people more
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aggressive, and not merelybecause they don't know what
they're doing.
We did experiments at McGillshowing that if you took drunk
people and put them in acompetitive environment where
they could be aggressive and hadthem keep track of their
aggression so they were actuallyconscious of it they became
more aggressive even, ratherthan less.
So, yeah, alcohol is bad newsand it can turn perfectly good
people into quite the impulsiveand dim-witted monsters.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Here he makes four critical points.
But just wait, because thebombshell is coming.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah well, alcohol is an extraordinarily pernicious
drug and if you're inclinedtowards it because you're
sensitive to itsanxiety-reducing properties, or
you can be sensitive to itbecause it enhances social
communication, or because itproduces a psychomotor high,
like cocaine or all of those atonce, but when he's talking
about this inclination towardsdrinking alcohol, he does miss
out something pretty important.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Sure, some people do get higher when they drink, they
do have a bigger effect from itthan others, but there are
people that get addicted to itwithout experiencing what he
experienced.
It is one of the mostphysically addictive drugs on
the planet and it's normalized.
We've been conditioned to seeit as a good thing, but it
doesn't actually do anything forus.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Alcohol is a really bad drug.
50% of murders take place in analcohol-fueled environment.
Either the victim or theperpetrator, or both, is drunk.
It's almost the sole cause ofdomestic abuse.
It's almost the sole cause ofso-called date rape.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Then he brings up another amazing point that 50%
of murders take place under theinfluence.
He also brings up date rape.
We don't ever see this right.
How many beer ads have you seenwhere they're advertising
murder as a side effect, as aconsequence of drinking this
drug?
When do you see that on abottle of wine, on a date?
And I know that might've comeacross as a little bit
insensitive, but alcoholcompanies will never show you
this side of drinking.
They're going to show yousophistication.
They're going to show youglamour.
They're not going to show youviolence.
They're not going to show you acar wreck.
They're just going to show youwhat you want to hear.
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It's a propaganda machine.
So I really like Jordanbringing these ideas up, because
it's true.
He then says the next point 22,is that it makes people more
aggressive.
And I remember when I was ateenager I used to smoke weed
and everybody that smoked weedhad this argument in England
that it should be legal, becausewhen people smoke weed is that
peaceful.
When they drink alcohol,they're violent.
I don't know.
Muslims talk about this as welland, logically speaking, there
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is a point there.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's also the only drug we know that actually makes
people more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Isn't it crazy that something that makes people
aggressive, that's responsiblefor 95,000 deaths a year, is
legal, and then we've got otherthings that are illegal?
Why is alcohol in its owncategory and it's totally fine
to consume?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So yeah, alcohol is bad news and it can turn
perfectly good people into quitethe impulsive and dim-witted
monsters.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And the next point he says is that it can make a
normal person kind of into animpulsive lunatic.
He doesn't use that word, but Iknow from my experience when I
don't drink alcohol, I don't actirrationally, I don't act
impulsively.
I'm actually quite good atimpulse control.
But as soon as I had four beersin me, you don't even want to
know what I got up to.
It was madness.
And let's get into the finalclip, which I personally find
the most motivating thing Jordanever said about stopping
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drinking.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
All the people that I was in high school with and in
college with were extremely harddrinkers, and I drank quite a
lot till I was 27.
And then I found that Icouldn't.
Well, first of all, my life wastaking a pretty professional
turn and second, I found thatthere was no bloody way I could
write seriously and thinkseriously on an ongoing basis if
I was hungover.
So, and I got married and I wasgoing to have kids and I
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thought, yeah, enough of this.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And there's kind of three things that he brings up
here at the end of the video.
So the first thing he did is heplayed it out.
He really realized what rolealcohol is having in his life.
He was probably looking at thepeople who he was close with,
that he grew up with, that weredrinking, and thought, well,
what trajectory are they on?
He doesn't say that, but I'mguessing that was part of his
decision making was gettingmarried and having children, and
that's when he realised itcouldn't continue.
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But then he said the thing thatI find the most motivating.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I found that there was no bloody way I could write
seriously and think seriously onan ongoing basis if I was
hungover, he said.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I could never write seriously if I kept drinking.
Writing requires so muchconcentration and focus.
You need absolute clarity ofmind.
So, whilst he's never trulysaid stopping drinking alcohol
gave him the life that he wanted, but, if you ask me, he's
alluding to this idea hereBecause he did stop drinking.
He did write seriously and lovehim or hate him.
He's achieved so much in hislife.
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See, jordan Peterson actuallyquit drinking alcohol decades
ago and, as we're about to findout, stopping drinking alcohol
played a pivotal role in hissuccess.
My team and I have dug deepinto hundreds of hours of his
content to find his best ideason stopping drinking.
We've identified 26 points thathe's made, and we're going to
show you how to apply thesepoints to you and your situation
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.
Love him or hate him.
His advice has impactedmillions of people, and the
points that he brings up in thisvideo today could be the final
tipping point that gets you overthe edge where you can say
goodbye to this insidious drugonce and for all.
My name's Leon Sylvester.
I'm the founder ofSoberClearcom.
Let's take a look at what MrPeterson has to say, and I've
saved the most useful clip ofall to the end of the video, so
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please make sure to stick aroundand let's jump in.
One of the things that stuckwith me is esteemable people do
esteemable things and it's likewhen you have that choice to do
something better than alcohol,man, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and the funny thing is, if you're trying to
stop drinking, you needsomething better than alcohol.
You want to figure outsomething that you're doing with
your life that's worth notgetting drunk and screwing up
because that's fun.
You might say, well, why dopeople drink too much?
It's like, if you like alcohol,that's a stupid question.
Yeah Right, it's like why dopeople drink too much?
Well, because it's great.
You know.
It's like okay, so why stop?
Well, you do stupid things whenyou're drunk.
(01:37):
You hurt yourself, youcompromise your health, it's
really hard on the people aroundyou, you tend to turn into a
liar and it screws up your life.
It's like, yeah, but it'spretty fun.
Yeah, well, it is.
But you need something betterthan that.
And what's better isn't beingstraight and not making mistakes
.
It's like that's allprohibition.
In some sense, what's better isno, you need an adventure man.
You need to get out there andhave something to do Now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
In this first clip, Peterson brings up six key ideas
.
I don't agree with all of them.
I'll give you my take on things, but the overarching message is
pretty awesome.
It's just the first two ideasthat I don't really see eye to
eye with him on you want tofigure out something that you're
doing with your life.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's worth not getting drunk and screwing up,
because that's fun.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
The first idea that he brings up is that screwing up
is fun, and I really don't likethe way that he talks in black
and white terms here.
He's talking in absolutes.
It's binary thinking.
Screwing up is fun.
When I drank alcohol, I rememberwhen I woke up with blood on my
MacBook Pro, vomited this brownsubstance all over my MacBook.
I didn't have any idea what itwas.
I don't recall being in themiddle of Columbia blackout,
(02:37):
drunk, fun.
Okay, maybe in the moment therewas an element of that.
So I see where he's getting at.
But this is a belief.
This is not black and whitethinking.
Screwing up isn't fun.
I don't know what hisexperience was with alcohol.
I kind of see where he's comingfrom, but he's not drank for
decades.
So through my work, through thethousands of people that I've
spoken to over the years with mybusiness with Sober Clear, I've
never once heard somebody say Ilike this idea of screwing up.
(03:00):
Now we just make a transitionaway from this point and does
give some quality advice.
But this first idea I don'treally agree.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
If you like alcohol?
That's a stupid question.
Yeah Right, it's like why dopeople drink too much?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, because it's great.
And the second idea that Idon't agree with is that he says
that alcohol is great, and thisI just totally disagree with.
Don't get me wrong, the rest ofthe video is absolute fire.
It's just these two points Idon't agree with.
Alcohol is not great.
Alcohol is poison.
It's ethanol.
It does nothing for youwhatsoever.
And holding on to this beliefand this idea that alcohol is
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great, I think is a pretty badidea, because you never really
start to see alcohol for what itis and in the back of your mind
you're always thinking, oh,that thing is great.
And when you do that you'vekind of got to resist the urge
to drink Because in your mindyou still think it's a good
thing.
And whilst he says alcohol isgreat, that is not a fact, that
is a belief, and that's a beliefthat he has.
So I would have just preferredhim to introduce this by saying
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in my opinion, alcohol can begreat.
Or what would have been evenbetter is if he may have said
something like in my experiencewhen I drank alcohol, there were
a few great moments.
That would have been a lotbetter, rather than say alcohol
is great Because it isn't great.
It kills 95,000 people each year.
It's a freaking carcinogen.
And drinking until you screw upand go and drive your car drunk
I mean, that's not fun to me.
(04:13):
I get where he's coming at, butthen he goes into the third
point, and now this is where thefire begins.
And, by the way, the rest ofthe video, the other points he
brings up, are just pure fire.
It's just these two points.
I can't ignore them.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, so why stop?
Well, you do stupid things whenyou're drunk.
You hurt yourself, youcompromise your health, it's
really hard on the people aroundyou, you tend to turn into a
liar and it screws up your life.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So the third thing he says is why stop?
And then he starts reeling offsome of the negatives.
Well, you do stupid things, youbecome a liar, you screw your
life up.
So now he's contradicting whathe said, and he's right, and, as
we'll see at the end of thevideo, you'll start to see the
realization that he had in his20s.
That really just took hiscareer to the next level.
You need something better thanthat Now.
The fourth thing he says isthat you need something better,
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and this was one of the biggestgame changers for me in my
journey of stopping drinking.
Rather than running away fromthe pain of alcohol, I replaced
it with a better quality future.
I had a vision for my life and,instead of just sitting around
in a circle in AA meetings andtalking about not being able to
drink, I did, and what Irecommend doing and what I agree
with here is that we all needsomething better to move towards
.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What's better isn't being straight and not making
mistakes.
It's like that's allprohibition.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The fifth thing he brings up is that being straight
isn't better, and I get wherehe's coming from there.
I would partially disagree.
It is much better to be 100%straight and not put poison in
your body.
But then he goes into the sixthidea.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, you need adventure man, you need to get
out there and have something todo.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And he uses an amazing word.
He says you need an adventure,and I think the word adventure
is a perfect choice ofvocabulary.
See, what we want to do when westop drinking is wake up and
feel excited to go towardssomething.
When I stopped drinking alcohol, I quit my job.
I immediately started abusiness, I booked a one-way
flight to Asia, I startedlearning all these new skills
with YouTube, with helpingpeople stop drinking alcohol,
(05:56):
and life did feel like one bigadventure.
I felt this new sense offreedom.
So I love this word and I thinkit's quality advice.
So let's play the next clipcontrol.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A proclivity to alcoholism can be a really
vicious thing.
You know lots of people getdragged down into the mud by
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alcohol, excessive alcoholintake, especially if they're
sensitive to the opiate responsethat alcohol can produce.
And when you drink, you knowyou get alert and, let's say,
more enthusiastic and energetic,and then you don't want to stop
drinking.
That's definitely a bad signwith regards to developing
alcoholism.
So I would say you need tofigure out something that's more
important to you than drinking.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Again another awesome clip.
He brings up four ideas here.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
What would happen in your life if your negative
habits got?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
out of control.
The first thing he says iscontrol your alcohol intake.
He uses the word control.
Now I don't know what he meansby this word.
I don't know if he'sencouraging people here to
reduce the amount of alcoholthat they drink.
When I talk about controllingyour drinking, what I'm talking
about is you have a choice andwhen you're in true control of
your drinking, you logically seealcohol for what it is and you
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control it by choosing to neverdrink it again.
But you don't fight the urge.
You don't resist alcohol.
You make a decision.
You see it for what it is andyou move on with your life.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
He doesn't define the word control, so it's
impossible to know what heactually means here.
One of the things that canreally help you control your
alcohol intake is to reallyreally think through what you're
giving up and where you couldbe in five years if you don't
get it under control.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Now the next thing he brings up point number eight is
he gives us an exercise to doand this is one of the most
painful exercises that you cando as a drinker, and it's to
play it out, it's to askyourself where is life five
years from now?
And when I asked myself thatquestion, I knew that I'd never
be the person I wanted to be.
I'd never achieve the goalsthat I had for my life.
I'd never, you know, become thehusband that I want to be, the
(08:00):
father that I want to be, thebusiness person I would be alive
.
That's how bad I felt, that'show bad I could see it getting,
Because my drinking wasn't goingdown over time, it was going up
over time.
So this is a really usefulexercise.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Proclivity to alcoholism can be a really
vicious thing.
You know, lots of people getdragged down into the mud by
alcohol, excessive alcoholintake, especially if they're
sensitive to the opiate responsethat alcohol can produce.
And when you drink, you knowyou get alert and, let's say,
more enthusiastic and energeticand then you don't want to stop
drinking.
That's definitely a bad signwith regards to developing
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alcoholism.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Now, the ninth thing he brings up is that some of us
have an inclination to drink.
I recently met up with somebodyin person who has been watching
the YouTube videos.
We actually had a conversationin person and he was asking me,
like why, why do some people getaddicted to it and some people
are just able to kind of dowhatever they can, stop and
start, and what's the difference?
And I said to him does itmatter?
Does it matter if your brain isslightly different to theirs or
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you've had some trauma orchildhood experience?
Because the solution is thesame it's to stop drinking.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I would say you need to figure out something that's
more important to you thandrinking.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But then the 10th idea that he brings up is that
we need something more importantthan drinking alcohol, and he's
right.
He's encouraging people toproject into the future and have
something to go towards, which,by the way you'll find out at
the end of the video, is exactlywhat he did.
So you'll see exactly howJordan Peterson has applied this
advice to his own life toachieve the things that he's
achieved.
But it's just another greatpoint.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, alcohol doesn't bring out the best in
people's characters.
Alcohol almost universallymakes people less than they are.
It's fun because it eradicatesyour concern for future
consequences.
It actually kind of does thatphysiologically, you might say
Alcohol is a potentanxiety-reducing drug.
The consequence for me was, youknow, I would misbehave when I
was drinking in ways that mademe remorseful the next day.
(09:51):
I realized at that point thatwas a performative contradiction
.
In a sense, performativecontradiction is when you act
out something that's a lie, thatruns contrary to your moral
beliefs.
I was looking at the literatureon atrocity, trying to
determine how the proclivity tobring those states about, those
hellish states about, might beameliorated, like what's the
(10:12):
opposite of evil.
That's the question I suppose Iwas trying to solve, and so
when I saw patterns of behaviorin my own life that were making
things worse than they had to be, then that was an indication
that it was time to stop.
Four more ideas that he bringsup in this clip.
You know, alcohol doesn't bringout the best in people's
characters.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
The first thing is that alcohol doesn't bring out
the best in people's characters,and that's a bitter pill to
swallow, but it's true.
I know exactly what he'stalking about here.
I became self-centered, selfish.
I didn't really think about howit impacted people around me.
All I cared about was me and mydrinking.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So I know what he's talking about, but it hurts to
hear, it's fun because iteradicates your concern for
future consequences.
It actually kind of does that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Physiologically, you might say does that
physiologically, you might say.
He then says that it's againfun, which I disagree with.
But he says it eradicates yourconcern for future consequences.
Now, the scientific term forthis is called alcohol myopia,
and what we do is we want thisshort-term gratification and we
do ignore future consequences.
See, drink driving makes nosense.
Nobody would drink, drive sober, and I don't mean that in an
(11:12):
obvious way.
But nobody really goes to a barand then says I'm going to get
absolutely shit-faced drunk andthen drive my car home.
Those decisions only happenwhen we're under the influence.
Now, jordan Peterson describesthat as fun, and sure, maybe in
the moment it is kind of fun,but I've spoke to people who
have woken up the next day andthey woke up in a jail cell
because they got a DUI.
Wasn't very fun for them.
(11:32):
Alcohol is a potentanxiety-reducing drug.
The next thing he talks aboutpoint 13, is that it's an
anxiety-reducing drug, which isabsolutely correct, but then
again we could also say it's adrug that probably causes more
anxiety than any other drug.
I don't know if you've everwoken up with a hangover and
thought, well, what did I doyesterday?
And had that anxiety justrunning through your body?
Because, sure, in the shortterm it reduces anxiety, but
(11:55):
then what about after?
What about the consequence ofdrinking?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
The consequence for me was, you know, I would
misbehave when I was drinking inways that made me remorseful
the next day.
I realized at that point thatwas a performative contradiction
.
In a sense, Performativecontradiction is when you act
out something that's a lie, thatruns contrary to your moral
beliefs.
When I saw patterns of behaviorin my own life that were making
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things worse than they had tobe, then that was an indication
that it was time to stop.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But then the 14th thing that he brings up and this
is the most important thing ofall is that he stopped lying to
himself.
He started taking an inventoryof his life.
He started recognizing patterns, and when he started
recognizing patterns that wouldcause pain in his life, he
stopped drinking.
Now again, at the end of thevideo, we'll learn a little bit
more about what exactly happenedhere, but I think the important
thing to take away here is thathe was honest with himself.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Why quit drinking so I don't end up in hell?
Hey, there's a reason to stop.
And then, if you make that hellreal, it's like here's all the
details of my personal hell.
Yes, let's avoid that.
So then you have something torun the hell away from.
You're also going to find outwho your friends are, because if
you're starting to put yourlife together and you have
friends that object, those arenot friends, those are just
people you know.
(13:10):
A friend is someone you can tellbad news to.
They'll just listen and maybethey'll suffer along with you.
But a friend is also someoneyou can tell good news to and
the friend will say, wow, inthis veil of tears, something
good happened to you.
Great man, I'm wonderful, it'srare, it's unlikely.
Good for you.
I hope 10 more things like thathappen and they're not envious
and they're not jealous andthey're not one up on you.
And if you're trying to getyour life together and your
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friends get in the way, friendsget in the way, that's actually
real useful for you, becauseyou've now identified who your
friends aren't and you mightthink, well, I can't give them
up.
It's like, oh yes, you can, andnot only can you, you should,
and it would be better for them,because if they're aiming down
and they want you going downwith them, there's nothing good
about what's happening to themand there's certainly nothing
good about that for you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So we've got three absolutely fire points.
Why quit?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
drinking so I don't end up in hell.
Hey, there's a reason to stop.
And then, if you make that hellreal, it's like here's all the
details of my personal hell.
Yes, let's avoid that, right.
So then you have something torun the hell away from.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
The first thing he's doing is he's really finishing
off his point where he's talkingabout that five-year vision of
how life will look if youactually drink, and he's really
talking about gettingdescriptive with that vision of
how life will look and creatingyour own personal hell to run
the hell away from.
I love this idea and I thinkit's so important for us to
remember how bad things can get.
What could be a good idea is ifyou're kind of weighing things
(14:25):
up and thinking how bad wouldthings get if I continue
drinking, put it down on paper,just literally.
Get yourself an A4 sheet ofpaper, write down where will
life be five years from now if Istay on the trajectory that I'm
on and if my drinking continuesto increase, and just write
down how life will be.
How will your relationship be,how will your health be, how
will your career be?
How will you feel?
Get descriptive Freaking sucks.
It's not easy, but it'spowerful.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You're also going to find out who your friends are,
because together and you havefriends that object, those are
not friends, those are justpeople, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now he brings up this topic of friends and I actually
don't think I've heard thisclip before, but he nails it and
this really does happen.
You do find out who your realfriends are when you stop
drinking, and he talks about howyou want people in your life
that aren't envious.
If you stop drinking alcoholand all of a sudden you're
making more money, you knowyou're looking better, your skin
(15:18):
changes.
You don't want friends that arelike, look at him, he stopped
drinking.
Who does he think he is?
No, you want friends thatencourage you and it is 100%
true.
You will find out who your truefriends are.
I've got people that are stillin my life to this day, that
still drink.
I'm still friends with them,but they never discouraged me
from stopping drinking.
They celebrated it with me.
But I also had people in mylife that didn't.
They discouraged it, notnecessarily actively, but almost
passively.
They might just have made nocomment, given no encouragement,
no positivity, and just kind ofbeen like indifferent, and
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that's fine.
But were they my true friends?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
And if you're trying to, get your life together and
your friends get in the way.
That's actually real useful foryou, because you've now
identified who your friendsaren't and you might think, well
, I can't give them up.
It's like, oh yes, you can, andnot only can you, you should.
And it would be better for thembecause if they're aiming down
and they want you going downwith them, there's nothing good
about what's happening to themand there's certainly nothing
good about that for you.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And then Jordan Peterson just delivers the
sledgehammer to the face right.
He didn't have a very delicatedelivery of this and that's why
people respect him so much, buthe says that maybe you will need
to give up some friends.
And then he goes on to say thatyou probably should actually do
this, because if they'redragging you down, what's the
point For some of us?
It's not always going to be ourfriends as well.
It might be our family members.
(16:23):
We might have people in ourfamily that are behaving the way
that Jordan just described.
Let's get into the next clip.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
First of all, you have to make a moral inventory.
You have to figure out what'swrong in your life, which would
obviously include the alcoholmisuse.
You have to rectify that, takeresponsibility for it, try to
chart out a new course.
And so that leaves not only doyou stop drinking, but you stop
associating with your friends ormaybe even with your family
members that's really hard soagain two great points.
(16:51):
You have to make a moralinventory.
You have to figure out what'swrong in your life.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The first is he says that we should take an inventory
of our life, believe it or not.
But this is actually a step ina 12-step program.
They get you to take a moralinventory, but I think he's
talking here in very generalterms and trying to make it more
relatable to everybody.
But he's right.
You need to look at your lifeand look at alcohol and say what
role does this have in my life?
Is this adding value to my lifeor is it dragging me down and
(17:16):
holding me back?
Could I be capable of more if Iremoved it?
A lot of people drink alcoholbut they're in denial I hate
that word, but they are.
So you can tell here that he'stalking from experience.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Not only do you stop drinking, but you stop
associating with your friends,or maybe even with your family
members.
That's really hard.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Now he also brings up friends and family members this
time and he recognizes thatthis will be hard, and it is
hard.
I know from experience, I knowfrom the people who have helped
in my business, in SoberClear,that it can be one of the
hardest things ever.
It's painful and it sucks, butfor some of us it's a necessary
step.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah well, alcohol is an extraordinarily pernicious
drug, and if you're inclinedtowards it because you're
sensitive to itsanxiety-reducing properties, or
you can be sensitive to itbecause it enhances social
communication, or because itproduces a psychomotor high,
like cocaine, or all of those atonce, and if you're
particularly predisposed toalcoholism, you can experience
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all three at once, alcohol is areally bad drug.
50% of murders take place in analcohol-fueled environment.
Either the victim or theperpetrator, or both, is drunk.
It's almost the sole cause ofdomestic abuse.
It's almost the sole cause ofso-called date rape.
If you dig into criminalbehavior deeply enough, well
hell, you don't have to dig muchat all before you find alcohol.
It's also the only drug we knowthat actually makes people more
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aggressive, and not merelybecause they don't know what
they're doing.
We did experiments at McGillshowing that if you took drunk
people and put them in acompetitive environment where
they could be aggressive and hadthem keep track of their
aggression so they were actuallyconscious of it they became
more aggressive even, ratherthan less.
So, yeah, alcohol is bad newsand it can turn perfectly good
people into quite the impulsiveand dim-witted monsters.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Here he makes four critical points.
But just wait, because thebombshell is coming.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah well, alcohol is an extraordinarily pernicious
drug and if you're inclinedtowards it because you're
sensitive to itsanxiety-reducing properties, or
you can be sensitive to itbecause it enhances social
communication, or because itproduces a psychomotor high,
like cocaine or all of those atonce, but when he's talking
about this inclination towardsdrinking alcohol, he does miss
out something pretty important.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Sure, some people do get higher when they drink, they
do have a bigger effect from itthan others, but there are
people that get addicted to itwithout experiencing what he
experienced.
It is one of the mostphysically addictive drugs on
the planet and it's normalized.
We've been conditioned to seeit as a good thing, but it
doesn't actually do anything forus.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Alcohol is a really bad drug.
50% of murders take place in analcohol-fueled environment.
Either the victim or theperpetrator, or both, is drunk.
It's almost the sole cause ofdomestic abuse.
It's almost the sole cause ofso-called date rape.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Then he brings up another amazing point that 50%
of murders take place under theinfluence.
He also brings up date rape.
We don't ever see this right.
How many beer ads have you seenwhere they're advertising
murder as a side effect, as aconsequence of drinking this
drug?
When do you see that on abottle of wine, on a date?
And I know that might've comeacross as a little bit
insensitive, but alcoholcompanies will never show you
this side of drinking.
They're going to show yousophistication.
They're going to show youglamour.
They're not going to show youviolence.
They're not going to show you acar wreck.
They're just going to show youwhat you want to hear.
(20:19):
It's a propaganda machine.
So I really like Jordanbringing these ideas up, because
it's true.
He then says the next point 22,is that it makes people more
aggressive.
And I remember when I was ateenager I used to smoke weed
and everybody that smoked weedhad this argument in England
that it should be legal, becausewhen people smoke weed is that
peaceful.
When they drink alcohol,they're violent.
I don't know.
Muslims talk about this as welland, logically speaking, there
(20:41):
is a point there.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's also the only drug we know that actually makes
people more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Isn't it crazy that something that makes people
aggressive, that's responsiblefor 95,000 deaths a year, is
legal, and then we've got otherthings that are illegal?
Why is alcohol in its owncategory and it's totally fine
to consume?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So yeah, alcohol is bad news and it can turn
perfectly good people into quitethe impulsive and dim-witted
monsters.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And the next point he says is that it can make a
normal person kind of into animpulsive lunatic.
He doesn't use that word, but Iknow from my experience when I
don't drink alcohol, I don't actirrationally, I don't act
impulsively.
I'm actually quite good atimpulse control.
But as soon as I had four beersin me, you don't even want to
know what I got up to.
It was madness.
And let's get into the finalclip, which I personally find
the most motivating thing Jordanever said about stopping
(21:26):
drinking.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
All the people that I was in high school with and in
college with were extremely harddrinkers, and I drank quite a
lot till I was 27.
And then I found that Icouldn't.
Well, first of all, my life wastaking a pretty professional
turn and second, I found thatthere was no bloody way I could
write seriously and thinkseriously on an ongoing basis if
I was hungover.
So, and I got married and I wasgoing to have kids and I
(21:50):
thought, yeah, enough of this.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And there's kind of three things that he brings up
here at the end of the video.
So the first thing he did is heplayed it out.
He really realized what rolealcohol is having in his life.
He was probably looking at thepeople who he was close with,
that he grew up with, that weredrinking, and thought, well,
what trajectory are they on?
He doesn't say that, but I'mguessing that was part of his
decision making was gettingmarried and having children, and
that's when he realised itcouldn't continue.
(22:12):
But then he said the thing thatI find the most motivating.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I found that there was no bloody way I could write
seriously and think seriously onan ongoing basis if I was
hungover, he said.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I could never write seriously if I kept drinking.
Writing requires so muchconcentration and focus.
You need absolute clarity ofmind.
So, whilst he's never trulysaid stopping drinking alcohol
gave him the life that he wanted, but, if you ask me, he's
alluding to this idea hereBecause he did stop drinking.
He did write seriously and lovehim or hate him.
He's achieved so much in hislife.
(22:44):
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