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Speaker 1 (00:09):
hello everyone and
welcome to the stop shitting all
over yourself podcast.
I am here today with my friend,tracy robin, who I have been
trying to meet to do the podcastfor a while.
But, like the cosmic, thecosmic world, like had my
surgery and so many things werehappening.
But here's why I really wantedto have Tracy on, because when
we first met, the conversationthat Tracy and I had was about
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healing and it immediatelystarted talking about how I'd
been in therapy for like 10years, you know, many years ago
and I hadn't seen any changesLike I'd worked through some
stuff but I still was unhappyand I was still depressed.
Changes Like I'd worked throughsome stuff but I still was
unhappy and I was stilldepressed.
And, tracy, you started to talkabout this idea of, yeah, no,
therapy is great, I support you,but there's actually a more
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holistic approach that'snecessary to heal trauma, to
heal sadness, to heal depression.
And when I say heal, I don'tmean recover so that you're like
I'm fine, I mean just heal, sothat you don't feel terrible.
And I find that your approachis so beautiful and provides for
so much compassion within anindividual human being because
it means that like, oh, we needa lot of help, not just a little
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bit of help.
So would you mind, first of all, welcome and would you mind
introducing yourself a littlebit and sharing a little bit
about your approach and why itis so important to you a little
bit about your approach and whyit is so important to you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sure, first of all,
I'm super excited we finally
were able to make this happen.
Oh my God, your listeners areso lucky that they get to hear
you all the time.
I feel honored to be here.
Thank you for inviting me.
Yes, we have been havingmultiple conversations that
we've said, hey, we should havehit record on this.
This could have been podcastpart three.
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You know Part ten.
So, yeah, you know.
My background comes from aphysiological, physiology first
method, in that I started on theyoga mat, on the physical yoga
mat, and evolved into becoming ayoga teacher, involved into
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becoming a yoga teacher trainerand very quickly aligned with
the tenant of yoga, that is,svadhyaya, which is self-study.
And along with that, there wasthis whole concept of what's
happening under the skin, likewhat's happening inside of
ourselves.
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How do we come into being?
We come into being from thisplace where we're absorbing,
where our parents were at themoment of conception.
So all their unhealed stuff youand I have talked about this
right All their unhealed stufflands in our body cellularly,
even if we don't have words forit, and and that is that is why
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what I do, I feel is soimportant because I mean like
let's stop the propagation ofthe past wounds, please, can we
please?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
heal Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, so, um, so,
very quickly, I started to
realize from my own journey andthen eventually working with
clients, this idea that I'mliving in a recording device.
There is energetics, there ismind, there is emotion.
All of those things start tocome into play.
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And when we just focus on thethoughts, we forget that this
head is attached to a body.
Yeah, on the thoughts, we forgetthat this head is attached to a
body and that if we don'taddress, if we're only healing
through what you know we talkedabout this, talk therapy, right,
which is valuable, it is veryimportant, but if we disregard
the physiology, the part, thebody, the somatics of what we're
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actually experiencing, it stilllives in our tissues and so
we've got to address that inorder to fully heal and
integrate Because, as you said,it doesn't just go away, like
the things that happened to usor our ancestors, doesn't
disappear, but it's more livable, if you will, right, and it's
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more.
We're able to navigate more,with more ease and with more
self awareness, which goes backto that Svadhyaya, which was the
very first tenant, that waslike for me.
I was like oh, I get that, Iget something about that the
hard one yeah.
Like looking at yourselfhonestly.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And I think that's
the hard part is looking at
yourself Honestly.
I know I did, uh, so I didshrooms.
What was it?
Maybe like a year or two agonow it's I can't really remember
exactly when, but I was doingthem as part of, like, I was
healing through some trauma thathad been repressed for many,
many years, and now I'm startingto heal through it.
My body had reached a stagewhere I was just like whoa, whoa
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, um, and it was chaotic andmessy and dirty and um.
But up until prior to thatmoment, I had heard a lot about
what you're saying in terms oflike, oh, you know, we carry the
trauma of our ancestralgenerations within us, but I was
like, you know.
It's interesting because when Ilook back at my life, I see the
things that, like, I'm totallywilling to accept up until the
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level I'm willing to accept, andthen after that, I'll poo, poo
on it.
So, like, I'll literally sithere and be like I'm stardust,
I'm made out of stardust and I'mmagic.
But no, I don't hold my traumafor my grandparents.
Don't be ridiculous, right,like it's bizarre.
The things that you'll hold inyour brain is true versus not,
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but as I started to heal fromthat.
So this is.
It's a very interesting thingbecause at some point in my
healing I was like there was anawareness that happened that I
think I need to look at this andit was almost like a thread
that once I started pulling it,I started to see how much more I
really didn't understand.
And then suddenly I started tounderstand.
Now where I'm at is like I'mlike, I'm dude, I'm like
literally thinking about myancestors and like when they
were in Yemen and then they weregoing across and like where
were they and what were theydoing and what was I doing?
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And my spirit, because I feellike we as human beings have
decided I figured it out.
I guess like, and at the sametime we say we haven't figured
it out, but I figured out enoughto where I know what will help
me.
So I'm gonna see my therapist,I'm gonna see my dentist um, my
doctor and I'm fine, I'm fine,right, see my therapist.
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I'm going to see my dentist, mydoctor, and I'm fine, I'm fine,
right, and like, and then youcome to me and you tell me
something like this, but myresponse is going to be I'm fine
, right.
So I'm curious to know.
There's this moment like it'sthe razor's edge, where someone
is on one side of I know what Ineed to heal and then the other
side where they realize that theprocess of healing is going to
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take your entire life.
You are never going to alwaysknow what you need.
Like this is a tapestry, it's ajourney right.
So I'm curious to know how, whatis going on in my head in that
moment, Like this moment where Ifeel fine and I'm almost in
denial.
Why?
Because I imagine that's wherea lot of my listeners are.
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They're in a space where eitherthey've already decided you're
absolutely right, I bought intothis ancestral trauma stuff and
all of these, the holistic thingthat there's so much more going
on than I think.
But then there's somebody whojust thinks all I need is my
therapist and my doctor.
How do you navigate that spaceto help somebody?
And obviously you can't makesomebody believe anything that
they don't want to believe, butyou know what I mean.
Somebody who is like you're,like I can see that you're
suffering.
What are some of theconversations that you have with
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them?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So that's a really
great question.
The thing that comes to mind iswe've been conditioned that
it's good enough, right?
We have the syndrome of goodenough and we don't realize how
good it could be.
That's the first piece I wouldaddress.
The second piece is that we'regetting what we tolerate, right.
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If we are willing to tolerate,it's enough, like I'm fine, I'm
good.
You know, my sister will oftensay like it's normal operation
of the vehicle.
Sorry, sis, but like that's,like her little phrase.
And I think to myself but it'snot normal operation of the
vehicle.
Sorry, sis, but like that's,like her little phrase.
And I think to myself but it'snot normal operation of the
vehicle.
Like if your transmission isdragging on the floor while
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you're driving, and just becauseit's been like that doesn't
mean that's how it's supposed tooperate, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
How many people do
you know?
And I know people haveliterally driven that way for a
long time it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And then I also hear
a lot of I've tried everything.
And then, really, but have youtried everything?
And then you start to liststuff.
Yeah, so have I.
I've tried all the things, andit happens in different
categories of our life.
Right, I've tried all thethings in the relationship
department.
I've tried all the things inthe career department.
I've tried all the things inthe weight loss department.
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That's a big one.
Right, I've done all the things.
None of it works for me, it'snot meant for me, and we
convince ourselves that we'renot worth it or it's too hard,
it's going to take a lot of time, you know, but we could live
the same day over and over againfor 75, 80, 90 years, or we can
choose to be the best versionof ourselves in every single
moment and do what we can tomake the most of the life that
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we've been given.
Right, because it's a gift,it's a real gift, and I think
that getting stuck in this isall I need at some point.
At some point, I think there'san awakening because it happened
to me too where I'm just likethis is not negotiable anymore.
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I am not willing to go to thepoint where this becomes
dis-ease that now is taking overmy life.
And I say that word dis-ease,because that can translate into
a lot of different things whereit's imbalance or challenges in
our life that we're dealing with.
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But when it starts withphysiology first, a lot of these
things that are happening like,let's give an example of, like,
stressful career If you have astressful job, it can turn into
physical, actual ailment thatyou need medication and surgery
for and hospitalization, likewhether it's a mental health
issue or an actual physiologicalissue, and I don't think that
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we realize that it is connected.
You can't separate.
I'm going to go to therapy andand I'm going to eat trash every
day.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, they you.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It doesn't.
It doesn't get you as far asfast.
It's like carrying how do Iwant to say this?
It's like carrying an anvil onyour back all day.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh, my God,
absolutely the way I describe it
is almost like you have a wound, that somebody is like
constantly coming in and likejust scratching it open and
pouring salt on it and you'relike, okay, it's going to heal
up overnight.
Now I'm going to come andscratch on it and like, do the
same thing, and it's just.
You know, and I think that whatyou're describing is like I
know, and myself I've been thisperson multiple times in my life
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, and I know people who are, atvarious times in their life,
been this person where you findyourself tired all the time.
You're literally going to bedearly, you know.
You're like literally yourwhole day is you looking forward
to getting into bed, and thenyou dread the next day and then
you get up and you're like Ican't do today and this sort of
just becomes life.
Right, no-transcript, I meanlike six to eight months, so not
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quick enough to where I'm like,oh, I figured it out about
right, takes you out six toeight months to realize, oh,
this is not healthy or not goodor whatever it is Right.
But the first time around itcomes as a shock because this is
just how you think life is.
So I would like so, for sincemany of my listeners and my
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friends are all people who arein a job I mean anyone for whom
this would be relevant areeither in a job or relationship
or something where, like, yearshave passed and they've just
been living it.
What are some of the physicalfeelings or emotional feelings
that somebody should be lookingout for?
I don't want to say the wordshould, but may want to be
looking out for.
That's a sign that you may notbe prioritizing yourself or your
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own emotional, mental health orspiritual wellbeing.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Amazing question.
Amazing question.
So it starts with physical body.
That's always my firstindicator.
I always look to what am Ifeeling?
You'll have often there'sweight gain or weight loss.
There's fatigue, like thefatigue.
There's listlessness, like Idon't really want to.
It's like same shit differentday, you know Brain fog, lack of
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clarity, stress, anxiety, thosetypes of things, physiological
things, digestive issues is ahuge one Headaches, blaring
headaches, physical pain, anysort of physical pain and
discomfort is an indicator thatsomething bigger and deeper is
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happening, either on aphysiological, biological level
or on a mental, emotional,spiritual level.
It is impossible for it to beseparated right.
So this is like your indicatorlights right.
Oh, I have chronic fatigue, Ihave chronic headaches.
Right, it's like the gas lightsgoing on, like the gas gauge on
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your car is going hello, stopfor gas.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like hello, get a
good night's sleep.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I'm fine, I'm fine, I
don't need gas, it's good
exactly, putt putt, putt putt.
Oh, now I have to push the car.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I mean I can't
believe I have to fucking push
the car.
How did?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
this happen.
But I mean I, I honestly.
I often talk about this interms of vehicles because people
understand they drive.
Many people drive cars.
Right, we drive cars.
We need to make sure the engineis in place, all the
electronics are working properly, we need to make sure there's
fuel in the tank.
We need to make sure that thereis a GPS system so we know
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where the hell we're going.
And a lot of times people justwe like make sure we know where
we're going if we're going onsome sort of trip, but we don't
think about that on a day-to-daybasis of have I put fuel in my
tank?
What kind of food did I eatthis morning?
Did I start my day consuminginspirational literature?
Or did I start my day scrollingon TikTok and looking for
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things that are really poison tome, like these are?
These are simple things and ha,and those patterns, those
habits, if you're starting tosee physiological, emotional,
mental strain, those are likeblaring indicator lights of pay
attention to me is what yourbody is saying.
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Your body, your being is sayingplease pay attention to me, I
need help.
And that doesn't mean it's likeeverything in life has to stop
immediately right Because that'snot realistic.
But how can you reprioritizeself-care?
And I hate talking about itlike that, because a lot of
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people I will say self-care andtheir eyes roll.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, because
self-care is like.
Well, there's two things.
One is, if you don't make timeright now, like your body is
going to just shut you downRight, so like, eventually your
body will shut you down to where?
So, like you know, you justsaid you don't have to stop
everything, but your body may dothat for you and it has done
that for me.
Uh, absolutely, and then um, uh,and then self-care.
You know, I think one of theproblems is like a massage is
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self-care, right, but like I,what I?
I actually went on to mytraining.
One of the things that I talkabout is phantom working, where
it's like I talk about I'mreally all about clocking out at
five.
So like you pick your hours andyou clock out now, five o'clock
is the time that I pick, butlike anybody, you pick your time
and then you clock out.
But I don't mean you clock outand then you phantom work, right
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, like so now I'm doing thedishes, but I'm actually working
in my head and I'm thinkingabout this dark conversation and
so on.
So basically you're working allinto the night.
Sometimes you're even trying tosleep.
You wake up at two o'clock inthe morning and you can't get
back to sleep because you're sostressed out about work.
Right, those are all oh.
Another sign is one where youcan't take enjoyment, like
what's funny is I started torealize that, like I was like,
oh, you know what, I don'treally like any foods that I
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like.
So I tried to solve thatproblem.
Then there were hobbies that Iwas like I'm just not interested
in my hobbies anymore, and thenI tried to solve that problem,
but I didn't understand that.
Wait a minute, there is a.
You're just don't do a massage,or I'll go do this.
But I feel like when you'retalking about self-care right
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now, what you're talking aboutis something a little bit more
consistent, a little bit moreintentional and long-term.
That is more like a healingsystem as opposed to simply like
doing a thing.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, what you said
was so brilliant.
Like you know, if you don'tmake time for wellness, you're
going to have to make time forillness.
Yeah, that's basic bottom line,and I think that people put it
off until they can't put it offanymore.
And I'm really about, likelongevity, and not just having a
longer life, but having agreater health span, and if
we're not able to enjoy thoselonger years, then people don't
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really want to get sick and old.
We want to have more years inour life, right?
Well, maybe not have to investas much money to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I know, but I'm just
saying I look at that woman, I'm
like you're fucking 12 still.
I know I don't actually want tolive to be more, but I'm just
saying like I look at that woman, I'm like you're fucking 12
still like Jesus Christ.
I know I don't actually want tolook like Demi Moore, but
that's too much work, too much.
I do not like.
Maybe I'll just go with HelenMirren.
Oh my God, helen Mirren is sogorgeous.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Total class, total
class.
But what you're saying is truethere needs to be a commitment,
a non-negotiable commitment, andthis is hard for people to do,
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I'm not saying that.
But once you make the decision,then, as you take little baby
steps towards that, habits willbegin to stack, mindset begins
to change and all of a sudden,where you are is not where you
were eight months ago.
It happens because it'scumulative, right?
It's like each thing you doconsistently, adding onto that,
no matter how imperfect it feelsat the at the start, because it
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always is imperfect, there's noperfection.
And the moment we can realizethat each day you're taking a
baby step towards thatbetterment of your situation, it
accumulates, right, it'scompound interest.
You don't go to the dentist andjust floss your teeth the night
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before you go to the dentist andsuddenly you have good hygiene.
You have to floss on a regularbasis, consistently, all the six
months and more before you goto the dentist, and then
consistently do it again andagain, and again.
And there are things that weall do on a regular basis, right
, we have mantras that we say toourselves all the time.
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But are they positive or arethey negative?
Are your habits that you'redoing on a regular basis?
Are you making easy habits hardor hard habits hard, bad habits
easy?
And I think when we swap thatout it changes everything.
I don't know if I answered yourquestion, sorry, I kind of went
off on a tangent.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I want to figure out
where I want to go down with
that Because, like there's thechallenge.
I think that you mentioned afew things in there.
One of the things that youmentioned was about, you know,
health and longevity andhealthiness, and you know I'm
not the healthiest person on theplanet, which is totally fine,
but, um, I think that you didputting it like.
That's where I want to kind offocus, because a long time ago
and you and I talked about thisat our first meeting when I I
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was really angry at a doctorlike I really angry now I was
rightfully angry at him.
He was at, I was in an ER.
He completely dismissed me andwas like you should calm down
for my blood pressure, whichobviously that's not going to
help my blood pressure.
So, like I mean, we're not,we're talking misogynist doctor,
not pleasant.
However, I went to anotherdoctor after that who was
supposed to do my PCP andhonestly, that person was
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useless too.
Like I mean, and they were finein that, like they were there,
but like they just they keptsaying I can't help you, I can't
help you, I can't help you,right, and I, you know I went
through as a chronically illperson.
I've had that happen a coupleof times.
So when that happens, typicallyI'm disheartened, depressed,
you know, and then I just giveup on my health for a couple of
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years, and then spiritual work,some coaching, so on and so
forth.
So I was in a differentheadspace and I realized that I
had been expecting my doctors,my health care professionals,
people in my life, to be thepeople in charge of my health,
right, and for them to do allthe things.
And what I realized is like Iam a holistic engine, I'm a car,
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I'm like there's nobody who'sgoing to be an expert in me
other than myself, and so I haveto be that CEO.
So what I'd like to ask yourelated to like your work that
you do, because when you and Italked, you know, one of the
things that you talked about isthis is not a concept with which
any of us are familiar.
Nobody teaches you this growingup Like you.
In fact, I would argue that wewere taught this growing up
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probably generations ago, but ithas been erased out of
culturally and colonially erasedout of us and patriarchically.
So um, the question that Iwould have then is I come to you
and I am like everything'sfalling apart.
I have fibromyalgia, I'mdepressed, all these things are
happening, right, and let'sassume for the moment that I've
already taken like at this point.
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Actually, let's assume that Ihaven't seen a doctor right in
ages.
So I'm coming to you with allthese ailments and now you're
like, okay, let's figure out whoyou need to see.
So can you tell me a little bitabout what role you play for me
, coming in as somebody who isin pain and suffering and just
has no idea what to do?
Like, help me, obi-wan Kenobi,what do I?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
do?
What would you be guiding?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
someone on.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So the very first
thing I look at is what you're
eating.
The very first thing I dobecause food is our fuel, right?
So if you're putting in shittyfuel, you're going to get shitty
results.
So the very first thing wewould look at aside from the
fact that I'd say, okay, what'sgoing on?
Tell me the things that arehappening, then I can start to
see patterns like fibromyalgiacan be lack of movement in the
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body, right Are you?
What is your digestion Like?
We talk about what your foodcombinations are?
Most of our diseases I would, Iwould, I would venture to say
80 to 90% of dis-ease in thisworld, in our bodies, is caused
by the food that we're eating,and especially, more and more,
our food quality is worse andworse.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So all over the place
are showing that we're eating,
and especially, more and more,our food quality is worse and
worse, oh my God.
Studies all over the place areshowing that, basically, we're
eating cardboard crap.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, with plastic in
it, so like there's it's just
it's delicious and crunchy.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So there, that's the very firstthing I always look at.
I look at what are you?
What are you if you're onmedication?
If you're not on medications, Ilook at are you supplementing?
What are your supplements Like?
Usually I'd go through folks.
I never try like.
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I used to be the person who waslike let's put you on a detox,
let's cleanse your body rightaway, but sometimes people are
not even there yet.
We need to make sure you havethe proper vitamins and
nutrients and energy to actuallyget through a cleanse properly.
Otherwise you can make it worsebefore it gets better.
And I became much gentler whenI became gentler with myself
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because I was really beingvigorous with myself around
cleansing and actually I hadextinguished my digestive fire
and realized that I needed adifferent approach.
And so when I started to reallyincorporate the Ayurveda of
yoga with the dietary guidelinesthat I use to help reduce
inflammation, inflammation isthe key piece that we're looking
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for.
All of these things that we talkabout, like headaches,
indigestion, stress a lot of thechronic conditions that we have
are caused by a gut issue,which often starts with
inflammation.
So that's usually where I startand then from there we go into
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like let's get you internally,let's find a balance for you,
and we start, and it takes time.
I think people need tounderstand this too.
When you said this before, likethis is there is no magic pill.
Yeah, there is no magic pill.
It does take time.
And generally to like I thinkit's something like 60 to 90
days to start a new habit,another 60 to 90 days for your
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body to get used to that habit,and then another 60 to 90 days
to like have it really stick.
Yeah, and and who knew that?
Nobody knew that Right, and wedidn't.
Was something else you wanted Iwanted to touch on is we've
been trained to give away ourpower.
We have been trained not toadvocate for ourselves,
especially in a patriarchalworld.
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We know how that went down, butlike there's a lot of giving up
power.
You know when I was in myreproductive years there's a lot
of litigiousness in the.
I'm also prenatal yoga teacherand so a lot of women were
having home births because therewas so much intervention in the
birthing rooms, because doctorswere afraid to get sued or they
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felt they knew best.
And if you take it back evenfurther, literally your baby was
delivered, which meant you liedown.
We'll do the work.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, no, that's a
good point, like here I will.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right, taking away
the fact that a woman's body is
built for birthing.
If that's what you choose,right.
So that was a whole it just itshows up in a lot of places.
All that to say, and I'm reallyabout advocating like advocate
for yourself, have agency andand surround yourself with
professionals who actually willadvocate for you.
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I have and I think I sharedthis story with you.
I have an acupuncturist who Iswear by.
She saved my life countlesstimes.
Traditional Chinese medicinewoman and I had been going to
her pretty regularly formultiple different things which
now I don't have to go tobecause they got repaired
through the work that we didtogether and I remember going in
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for a maintenance visit and Iapologized for not seeing her
and her response was stopapologizing.
That means I did my job right.
I'm like where are those?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
physicians I know,
right Like, where are those
physicians?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Right Like, I don't
want to keep coming back to you.
I know Well and that's thething for me the initially the
job that I hope to do with myclients, which I've seen done
through my work, is, at first,yes, there's support needed, but
(26:58):
the idea is to empower theindividual to be able to fly the
nest and be able to then havethese things habitualized so
much that they are now okay togo and do this, continue it on
their own and advocate and haveagency and, of course, tap back
in when you need it.
But because we all need to stopat the refueling station, right
, right, but that idea of beingempowered with the tools and the
(27:21):
knowledge and the understandingand the self-awareness of
something's happening, thisneeds an acupuncturist, a
massage therapist, a coach.
I need to go take a vacation, Ineed to go sleep, I need to go
work out.
Whatever it is, a lot of itcomes from inflammation.
That's one of the things.
(27:44):
And the other thing is also thestate, our energetic state.
Most of us are sedentary.
Most of us sit at the computerall day.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You know, it's
actually why I so I quit my job.
And one of the reasons why Iquit my job was because I
realized that, like the, thestructure of my life had become
such that uh, you know what Iwas.
I'm enormously privileged to beable to just do that and then
just do something different,right.
But part of it was because Iactually feel like a lot of
corporate America is structuredto keep us in some of those
(28:14):
spaces.
Right, you're constantlysitting at your computer, you're
constantly on Zoom in theseunhealthy meetings, and this is
this corporate America ingeneral.
like having gone back, I can seethat the amount of pressures
that corporate America exertsupon you simply by existing is
actually something that isincredible and I don't even know
(28:45):
to get out you know where Ithink that that's sort of where
you know you need someone likeyou who already knows the way
out, to say and so when I was inthis situation five years ago
or I mean now we're looking atmore than five years, probably
more like six years ago Iremember being again totally
sedentary at this point.
I was, um, when we saysedentary, I literally hadn't
left couch bed in weeks.
(29:06):
And I was also depressed and butI hired a functional
nutritionist because I had ananal fissure that was agonizing
and this was my body basicallyjust was like, okay, and now.
So now I saw the nutritionistfor I don't know, three months
(29:26):
hardcore work.
We did full detox the wholething and I'll tell you, like I,
it was aggressive and Iunderstand why you don't do it
that aggressively.
But the gut man, the gut is,and what's interesting is that
it's not just the gut in termsof I feel that in my mouth and
my stomach and various physicalthings, but I lose my connection
(29:49):
to my spirits and my like Idon't know what the fuck is
happening in the universe, butsomething cosmic is in my, is in
my intestines.
That is actually what allows meto connect with my spiritual
universe.
Actually what allows me toconnect with my spiritual
universe?
So like, if I don't, I knowthat if I'm not bringing in the
(30:10):
fuel, that I'm not connectingwith my.
It's weird, like I'm curious,do you talk about?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
that at all.
Huh, yeah, it's the gut brainconnection.
You know, there is an absoluteconnection between our mind and
our stomach, our gut.
You know we say it's a, it's a?
Um, you know, I have a gutfeeling about it that type of
thing.
You know, our lower chakraslive in our lower body and it's
(30:35):
that's all, like those digestive, it's, uh, it's our, our sense
of self is in that area.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Really, oh yeah,
you've just giving me a lot to
think about by the way.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah Well, there's a
whole.
That's a whole.
Part of the work that I do iswhere we work through the
energetic systems in the bodyand we start to see, like,
what's happening and where areyou holding it?
Because each of those areas,physiologically, there are
energetic centers in yourphysiological body that hold
different emotion and differenthistories and different parts of
(31:07):
your body can get affected.
So that's what I'm saying yourbody.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I gotta ask you
something.
Then tell me what holds right,Like here inside.
If you go straight in this spotright here and then like it's
like the Iliad crest area wherethere's that muscle, what is
held in there?
Tell me my trauma today, Tase.
I'm really curious, though,because it's been hurting for a
while.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, I need to know
more, a little bit.
But that is your second chakraregion, which is all about flow
in your life.
It's where we hold our sexualenergy.
It's also the seat of guilt,like it's our pleasure zone, so
it's like the guilty pleasures,so there's all sorts of things
that, uh, that live in thatregion of the body and then
(31:56):
lower down.
So those two areas the firstchakra is more about stability,
security, tribal connection,community, um, grounded, so are
you saying?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
that's where we hold
our fear.
Is that what you're saying?
And that's like, is that whatI'm supposed to be doing,
because I'm telling you I'm nothaving any sex right now, so
should I, should I have more sex?
Is that like?
Does that solve the problem?
I don't know.
I'm sure having more sex justsolves the.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
A clinical sexologist
.
She's probably the person totalk to.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Oh my, God, let's
have her on too.
I love that.
I actually have been trying toget so.
I had a BDSM coach for a longtime.
I absolutely loved her and MissL and I wanted to get.
Miss L taught me a lot but Iwanted to have Miss L on but
sadly that's not happening.
But eventually I'll have.
I'm going to have a dominatrixon.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Just do like a full
question of, like you know,
healthy boundaries through BDSMor something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, that's all you know,that's it's.
Boundaries are a key thing too,right, like there's the like I
said before, like we get what wetolerate, we have to figure out
what are the boundaries thatkeep us safe and healthy and
well, so then we can show up inthe world the best version of
ourselves.
And, um, I really and trulybelieve that the signals that
(33:11):
we're getting, those things likefatigue, the digestive issues,
the sleeplessness, the weightgain, the pain, uh, chronic
issues that we have those areindicator lights of something
else is going on.
Let's address it and I alwayssuggest starting with the gut.
I always suggest let's startwith what you're eating.
You know when, when I take on anew client, there's a whole
(33:32):
introductory packet for them andthe very first thing we do is
log food for a week, like I needto know what is your diet look
like.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You know what are
your supplements that you're
taking, If any.
A lot of people don't even takesupplements and we think that
we can get all that we need fromfood.
I will tell you we think thatwe can get all that we need from
food.
I will tell you you cannot getall that you need from food and
you cannot get all that you needfrom supplements.
You need to have both and youneed to have the proper balance
of it.
Otherwise we over supplement,right, you know like, and that's
not good either, because thattax, that taxes our organs.
(34:00):
So we have to find that rightbalance.
And there was something elsethat you had said about the gut.
We were talking about somethingelse with the energetic centers
.
Yeah, oh, that area that I wassaying is like the guilty
pleasure.
And then, right below that isour fear.
(34:21):
Right, the demon of the firstchakra is the fear Like what are
we afraid of, what do we feelguilty about?
And then that which is ourcenter, like our Hara center,
where our, where our stomach is,is the third chakra, which
really is the seat of power, our, our own self power and our
self esteem and our shame.
So those those three things area lot, of, a lot of shit sits
(34:46):
in there.
You guys like this is great.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I got you on the
podcast so you could basically
guys, you guys.
This is great.
I got you on the podcast so youcould basically guys.
This is why I did it.
I got her here because I waslike listen, I need to be
diagnosed and I need some help.
I'll get her on my podcast andtell her my symptoms and she'll
die Because everything you justsaid I'm like, yes, yes, this is
all things that make sense tome and I need to do work on this
.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, and also
I mean those, those emotions
that we feel cause some of thebehavior, cause a lot of our
behaviors and our choices andour actions and our thoughts.
So there's no, like I said, youcannot separate them, it's all
connected.
But that's the good news,because it's all connected
because how you do one thing ishow you do everything.
So when you start to heal onearea of your life whether it's
your physiology or yourrelationship, or your mental
(35:30):
health or, you know, your careerall things start shifting
because it all starts inside ofyou and I that's that's like.
That's where I, like, get sojazzed about the work that I do,
because how you do one thing ishow you do everything, and when
we start in one area, it'sinevitable that it starts to
heal the others.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
You know it's
interesting, I think people one
you said earlier.
I want to go back to somethingyou said earlier because it does
take a long time, right, likeit takes a really long time.
And what's interesting is Istarted my journey.
I remember April 2018.
And the reason why that Iremember that date so well is
because my sister and I broke upthat day, like that was, we'd
worked together, we'd beentogether, connected non-stop for
40 something or it was a 2018,so it's a long time, 42 years
(36:14):
and then it was done and we justand our relationship is still
recovered.
I mean, we've recovered so muchfrom it since then, but that
was the moment where we bothwere in such horrible places
that we had we just gave up andwe now had to heal.
So, when I think back to that, Istarted April 2018 and now here
I am today, right now, like yousaid, these things build on
(36:38):
each other and they compound,right, and like the first turn
of the wheel, like I imagine, isthe heart.
I mean, when it comes to you,like, like when I went to Helena
for my nutritional counseling,um, it was brutal.
It was brutal because I had notdone any of this work before
for 42 years.
And now, suddenly I'm like,okay, let's start, and it's
(36:59):
almost like you have to, you'regetting rid of, like, almost
like you were telling me.
You see your vehicle as anexample.
Let's say you haven't done anoil change or doesn't have done
anything, and now you're likeI'm gonna take good care of my
car now.
Okay, great, but the firstcleanup is going to be brutal.
Right, like brutal.
And so I, you know, I think oneof the things that you said is
that it compounds.
So like, okay, the first isbrutal, but then it starts like
(37:23):
you almost start to likeeverything feeds on something
else, and now it turns from alittle bit of dust to like some
glitter, and then from glitterto a zircon, and then a zircon
to like a diamond, and then adiamond, you know, just kind of
like grows over time.
Um, but you mentioned somethingand I'd like to touch on it is
you're not healed permanentlyfrom this.
(37:43):
Right, so like, after I've doneall this work, I still might
run into a situation where Ifeel like depressed or whatever.
So like, what does this give methen in that moment?
Right, so, now I've I've doneall this work with you, I'm
feeling better today, and now Ihave, I'm thrown into the mix of
something terrible.
What have you found has helpedyour clients now, in that moment
where they've already done thework with you?
(38:03):
You've sent them on their wayand now they're having this
moment.
What does that do for them?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
No, because it
empowers them with tools.
It empowers them with tools toto cope more efficiently, more
effectively, in a way that's notgoing to spiral them down into
the abyss the way it used to,and it's a really big difference
.
I mean, it seems like little,tiny things that add up into
(38:28):
being a self-empowered personwho can be in the face of those
things that used to knock youdown, and suddenly you're like
I'm dusting myself off, maybeI'm feeling blue for a day or
two and I'm binge watchingNetflix, but then I'm back up
and I've got this.
I know how to change my state,and the state, the energetic
(38:55):
state that we're in, is key.
That's the generator right, wethink something else outside of
us is going to motivate.
We have to motivate that.
We have to self-generate tochange our state.
However, that is whether it'sthrough comedy, through movement
, through any sort of exercise.
Really, for me, it's like Icould be in a foul mood and turn
on a song that I just love anddance for two minutes and I'm in
(39:19):
a different state.
It doesn't have to becomplicated and these aren't
necessarily.
Yes, it can take some time, butit doesn't have to be hard and
it doesn't have to becomplicated.
And the reason it feels hardand complicated and I cannot
stress this enough is we try todo it by ourselves, because we
don't think it's okay to ask forhelp.
(39:39):
We think that asking for helpis weakness.
We think that who's going to beable to help me?
I've tried everything right?
We go back to those excuses andthose things just cycle over
and over and over and over againand then we become the hamster
on the wheel, going far, nowhere, going nowhere fast.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
That is so beautiful.
What you just said about itbeing because we think we have
to do it alone, because I thinkthat is our core wound, if you
think about human beings, justhuman beings, we're community
creatures.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
We're wired for
connection Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And we're so isolated
that we're all breaking apart
inside in various different ways, like in so many different ways
, and what I call my fourhorsemen of conditioning the
patriarchy, capitalism,consumerism, racism, colonialism
so there's more than four haveall isolated us even more to
where we don't know how to be ina community, and I was actually
(40:36):
reading an article the otherday about how it's, about how
many in our white culture, manyof us, do not know how to build
community, because it's notsomething that is taught and
it's not something so it's verywe tend to be very transactional
in a lot of things, and so, youknow, one of the things that I
am working on myself is learninghow to build a community.
(40:57):
Like that is and I've beendoing this for several years and
like the kind of work thatyou're talking about, of
self-awareness right, becauseyou can't build a community with
someone if you're notself-aware enough to know that
you're just going up to thatsomebody to get something from
them, right?
So like there's, like youcannot build community without
self-awareness, and so I thinkthat like part of the work that
you're doing is not just, it'sabout helping us all to relearn,
because these ideas are not our, it's not our fault that we
(41:22):
don't know them.
It's because, again, so,systems have done that to us,
and now it's we have tointentionally rearrange
everything in our minds, whichis very, very hard.
And so I think that, like, whatI hear you saying is almost
like you'll be the first memberof a community for somebody
right.
So like, let's say, somebody issuffering and they don't.
They are now at that we'regoing to assume in this moment
(41:43):
they're in like the worst state,where they have nothing of any
of the things we've talked about, and now they literally are
starting from underneath thebottom and they're saying what
is my first step?
The way that I'm thinking aboutit is, the first step is you,
because you are almost like the,I will help you build the rest
of your team.
I will help you build yourcommunity.
I will help you build yourrelationships, and then I'll
send you off on your way, butwe'll get you where you need to
(42:05):
go.
So is that sort of how you workwith people, like helping them?
I'm sure you work with peoplemore along the line as well, but
is that sort of how you helpthem?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Well, you know, we're
wired for connection, it's true
.
I think also all of those otherthings fall into place because
the person who I really help youbuild the relationship with is
yourself first, Because withoutthat I mean yes, I want to say
yeah, I'll help you find yourcommunity.
(42:34):
But we attract who we're being,and if you're attracting from a
place of toxicity, from a placeof negative self-worth, from a
place of the negative messagesthat you say to yourself, the
self-sabotaging, all of thosethings, if that's what you're
saying to yourself over and overagain, those are your mantras,
(42:56):
then you are attracting who youare being, because you wind up
identifying with the words thatyou say to yourself and that
identity becomes your reality,not because it's true, but
because that's the filter youhave chosen to put in your
glasses.
That's, it's true, but becausethat's what you, that's the
filter you have chosen to put inyour glasses.
That's the stuff you castCorrect, so we need to change
that filtration system.
This is what I'm saying.
(43:16):
I often use car examples.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
You're amazing.
I love your analogies.
They're fabulous.
This is so good, like so good.
It's delicious.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Well, I'm glad it
works because I find it simple.
It's like simple to understandit right.
Most people understand, like,what cars need to run, at least
on the simplest level, becauseI'm no mechanic.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Oh, my God, I know
right, but I can follow your
entire thing.
I'm like yeah, yeah, totally,I'm with you 100%, because I
understand enough about cars toknow what you mean.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
So that's the piece
like.
The real work here is, yes,community, but it's really about
the change of your relationshipto yourself and how you relate
to the world.
And once we address that,everything else gets better,
because you attract who you'rebeing.
You attract who you are being.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
You know, it's
interesting because I think that
for many of for many of us soguys, listen up, right, you, you
may have the same issue that Ido my trauma responses.
Every time I learn anything, myquestion is how do I go out,
how do I do the thing, how do Ido the thing Right?
And you had just now did whatmy coaches, therapists, like
literally every um, every umhealer that I have worked with
(44:27):
has had to do exactly what youjust did with me, where you turn
it around and say that's allgreat, it's all great, but you,
you are worthy of the attentionjust for you being you like,
forget about everybody andeverything else, and I think for
me especially like I'm surelybaring my soul here everybody
for me.
(44:47):
That is how my trauma manifests,in that I am constantly looking
to make sure everybody else isokay, everything is okay.
How can I learn something?
I feel good, how can I go outand do that?
Because as long as I because Iinherently do not believe and
this is just something that I'mworking on is I do not believe
that I have inherent worth.
Right now I do believe it, butthere is still.
Obviously there's some coreblast so deep down that rears
(45:08):
its heads, which is why I wantto go back to what you said
again.
The words you say to yourselfare so important.
So one of the things that mywife and I have been like I
typically am very careful withthe words I say, but we've
actually been even more carefullately, like really careful to
where oh God, I'm so stupid.
No, do not say that Right, nope, nope, nope, you're beautiful
and brilliant Even.
And.
And Do not say that Right, nope, nope, nope, you're beautiful
and brilliant Even.
(45:28):
And then somebody will be likeoh, it's just joking around, and
it's like your brain doesn'tknow that you're joking around.
It feels it.
So I think that the mostimportant thing I just want to
like reiterated and just sort oflike ask you to say it again
before we wrap up is howimportant are the words that you
say to yourself.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
They're everything,
because the words that you say
create, they create what you'reexisting, right you.
They create who you are, whoyou are being, how you are being
, and you attract that rightback to you.
And so until we're able tochange the vocabulary, the
language, the inner world, theinner world, the outer world,
can't reflect that inner world,the outer world can't reflect
(46:12):
that.
We'll look outside of ourselvesto fill voids and we'll never
get there.
We'll work really, really hardand feel like nothing ever works
.
Nothing I try ever happensRight.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
And you've tried
everything.
That's where you go.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I've tried everything
, that's exactly right, that's
exactly right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Bringing it full
circle.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Oh, my God, tracy,
this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I am so, so glad to
finally had the opportunity to
record with you.
Um, I am thrilled because thisis some critical, critical work,
that almost everything Iliterally every one of us needs
to do at some point, uh, inorder to heal.
I would love to know for myaudience who now is like oh my
God, I love Tracy.
How do I find her?
How did they find you?
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Oh well, you are
amazing.
This has been so much fun.
So the best way to find me isprobably through my bio site,
which is, I will tell you,biosite slash Tracy Robin.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
I will have all of
her links in the show notes.
Tracy, you're amazing.
Is there anything that you wantto share with my listeners
before we leave?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Keep listening.
This is such amazing work thatyou're doing, Manasa.
I am so I feel so honored tohave been a guest on your
podcast.
Thank you for inviting me, Ihope you'll invite me back.
So much fun.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Too bad we didn't hit
record on the countless other
conversations because there wasso much recording our meetings
so that we can pull out thethings that cause we ended up
like going off on like a tangentThank you so much, guys.
Go find Jason.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
You're like, you are
a psychologist.
I tell you things, you make alist.
You've got special powers,though you make me scared, you
make me go.
But could it be?