September 16, 2025 • 67 mins
The harrowing journey of surrogates caught in the Mark surrogacy scandal continues to unfold with stunning new revelations. One surrogate, now 38 weeks pregnant and days away from delivery, finds herself navigating treacherous legal waters without proper representation after her attorney abruptly switched sides to represent the intended parents instead.
What started as a beautiful journey of helping create families has transformed into a nightmare of legal manipulation, with the surrogate now facing pressure to sign 16 pages containing 59 amendments to her contract just before giving birth. The intended parents, currently under investigation with their existing children removed from their care, are making dubious claims about regaining custody while attempting to secure rights to this new baby.
Most shocking is the revelation that approximately 20 surrogates are connected to these same intended parents, with babies that may all be biological siblings. These women have formed their own remarkable support network, sharing information, resources, and even baby supplies as they prepare for the possibility of bringing these children home themselves rather than surrendering them to a questionable situation.
The emotional toll is palpable as our surrogate reveals she and her husband have named the baby Sophia Ray, torn between preparing a nursery and protecting herself from heartbreak. Meanwhile, attorneys seem compromised or inaccessible, leaving these women without adequate representation during their most vulnerable moment. One surrogate in another state has already been granted temporary custody of her baby pending further investigation, offering a glimmer of hope.
This episode serves as a powerful reminder of the critical importance of proper legal protection in surrogacy arrangements and the extraordinary resilience of women supporting each other through unprecedented circumstances. Whether you're considering surrogacy or simply care about reproductive rights and child welfare, this conversation offers crucial insights into what happens when the system fails those it should protect.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome.
We are a mother-daughterpodcast about all things
surrogacy.
Together, we have brought eightbeautiful babies into this
world and we would like to sharethrough education and knowledge
about surrogacy with those whowant to educate themselves on
the topic.
This is Stop Sit Surrogate.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi everybody, welcome back to Stop Sit Surrogate.
I am flying solo today, butit's all good and we have an
update on some Mark surrogacyscandal, I guess, information.
So our friend, our dear friend,is back.
What's going on, girl?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
is back.
What's going on, girl?
Hey everyone, so just a littlebit of an update.
What's today, tuesday the 16th?
So yeah, tomorrow I will be 38weeks.
Yay, safe to deliver.
Safe to deliver, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I will take it I'm.
I'm actually tomorrow isactually the anniversary of my
grandmother's birthday.
So I'm like I'm feeling acertain kind of way like I might
have some little pixie dusthelp going on to to make her
come early, but at the same timeI'm like oh, not exactly sure
what's going to happen, so I'mnot ready for you to come early
(01:27):
yet.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I was gonna say so, is there, if she were to, if she
were to come tomorrow?
Where, where is she?
Where's she going?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
good question.
We still don't know there'sstill.
It's still up in the air ohyeah, but I do have uh updates.
Okay if my my last talk withyou guys?
Oh yeah, it's fun.
So, as it stands, it does turnout that the intended parents
(02:01):
did take my attorney that I wasspeaking to for over a month and
a half.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Took Like away from you.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, like I got.
I've been emailing thisattorney since the middle of
July and towards the end ofAugust I got the fun little um.
Let's see exactly what she saidhere, august 20.
(02:32):
Yeah, I will definitely saysave everything, ladies, when
you're doing stuff like this,because, yeah, paperwork is in
my favor at this point.
(02:53):
I learned from my mother.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, documentation is key, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Okay, here it is.
I think it's best that Irepresent the IPs what?
And then I can push for someclear-cut answers from them,
based on the new academy ethicsrules and on my own ethical
obligations.
Of course, they might want toback out and not want me once I
(03:21):
start asking questions and Iknow you are lost right now
because we don't have correctinfo and have to get some
answers.
The best way to directly isfrom the, the IPS and their CA
lawyer.
Okay, that was, um, that wasaround the beginning of August
(03:42):
and it was basically shot home.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Uh, august 21st so a couple weeks ago.
She's a lawyer, wants to playlike double agent.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, she claimed she could get more answers and
because she had their attorney'scontact information and stuff
like that, and then she wouldpass it along.
The one that was my favoritewas let's see, I wanted to
(04:30):
update you that I've learned alot about this situation and
have spoken directly to the IPsand their criminal defense and
dependency attorneys.
I have a lot more info and I'mpulling together to send to you
so you're more comfortable withthe situation and that nothing
illegal is happening.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'm sorry what?
Yeah Comfortable with thesituation that nothing illegal
has happened, when we allclearly know illegal things have
happened?
Sounds like a crooked lawyer um, so uh?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
she then responded if we represent the ips, can?
uh, because she was working withsomeone else at this point,
like another one of you girls,like another attorney, like two
attorneys, two, I contactedseveral attorneys and these two
actually joined up pro bono tohelp me, which I have that email
as well, saying we'll work withyou pro bono and then I get all
these.
So she then, you know, taggedthe other attorney.
(05:32):
She's like if we represent theIPs, can you please represent,
of course, me in the hospitaland parentage process for which
the IPs will pay, assuming thatthe info I send you gives you
comfort and no concerns aboutrepresenting the surrogate me.
What I wanted to send you, theword that I have looked into
(05:56):
this further and while it isweird to want to have so many
children although I had Catholicfamilies in my neighborhood
growing up with 11, 15, and even18, I don't see anything
illegal here.
The media has presented asomewhat distorted view and the
IPs deserve a chance to telltheir side.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, she just seems like an awful lawyer, Like that
is she seems like.
Now I'm like, oh, is she beingbribed with money, Like lots of
money that she doesn't want toturn down Like cause.
How do you say that that's soethical Cause?
You said in the beginning shelike sent you a thing saying
like, oh, for my ethical values.
(06:40):
And, girl, if you had, if youhad any ethics at all, you'd be
like like I'm gonna help thesesurrogates because this is a
really messed up situation.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So you you would think, um yeah, so that's.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That's the fun part oh, okay, so you said that you
had messaged several lawyers,though, so it's is.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It was this like the main lawyer that was gonna like
help, uh-huh yep, this is theone that actually said yes to
where a lot of the others saidno.
So then yesterday I get the.
I finally get the uh updatedinformation of basically the ip
story, which another email and Iprinted it.
(07:23):
Of course it's literally a fullsheet like of their story.
Of their story, my favorite partis um that they're uh, hold on,
let me see.
Oh yeah, the original issue isthat the nannies allegedly
(07:54):
neglected and or possibly abusedone of the children.
However, the child had someexisting medical issues and
special needs and was havingsome of those medical issues
wasn't there a video?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
uh, wasn't there a video of her like yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, there, there's.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
There's a video out there, okay okay so, um, and I I
actually know the surrogate whogave birth to that child and
she's like, um, no, really, soyeah like no, they don't have
(08:39):
special needs.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Like that's not true.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, okay, wow, wow what like um, yeah, she's, she
did.
When I told this all camethrough yesterday, um, actually,
so like I, I immediately wentto my group and I'm like um, hey
, that was that, that was yours,right, he, he was yours.
(09:04):
And she's like, yeah, and I'mlike, hey, that was yours, right
, he was yours.
And she's like yeah, and I'mlike so they're basically saying
that he had issues?
And she's like, no, fuck, hedidn't.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Wow, does he have issues now?
Does anybody know like therepercussions of like what
happened?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So the last that I have heard is he was still in
the hospital oh my god, um, andunfortunately, like news is news
, money is money.
If it's not making any money,they won't put it back out there
.
But so we have exactly heardtoo too much Continuously from
(09:46):
it, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, that whole paper.
So is that whole paper?
You've read it?
Obviously Is it just like allBS Like you can just be like
yeah, that's BS, that's BS.
That's BS Like this is not.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, Pretty much.
It names their their attorneyin California.
It mentions a little bit aboutthe DCFS case and about how DCFS
is wrong and that the IPs haveenrolled in parenting classes
(10:26):
and they are under investigationbut the home assessments are
good and they've already gottenone of their children back and,
pending the trial where theirattorney, they're going to be
allowed to take custody of anynew children born via surrogacy
(10:53):
custody of any new children bornvia surrogacy.
Just have to let dcfs know.
Um, and yeah, they're workingon ways to get the other
children back.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'm not shocked that they're working on ways to get
them back.
I'm shocked if it's true thatthey got one kid back.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I'm like a teen year old right, yeah, that's the
oldest um I, that's the one thatI actually met at dinner.
Right, I'm guessing?
Um to amend my contract To whatI've got?
(11:27):
16 pages of addendums to mycontract?
Oh, yep, according to, becausethis is all apparently in one
email.
It's a big email.
Oh, it was back and forth andit was good.
(11:49):
Oh, yeah, they wanted to knowif they wanted, if I needed an
attorney to represent me.
Well, where's your?
Don't you have?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
an attorney to represent you.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So the gentleman that I found is not specialized in
surrogacy, so, um, that's alsopart of this email.
Uh, it does not appear that theattorney does any family law,
especially assisted inreproductive technology.
I do not see how he is going tobe helpful at all with regard
(12:23):
to the parentage process, andit's not an attorney that the
ips are going to be helpful atall with regard to the parentage
process, and it's not anattorney that the IPs are going
to pay for because he does nothave the prerequisite expertise.
I am not sure how or why youselected him.
Can you please explain what?
Okay, wait is?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
this the.
This is their attorney, okay,but yeah, but you had to have
contracts signed at thebeginning.
Was this guy representing youin?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
the beginning.
No, so they did name himactually in the initial uh, the
start of this email, um, buthe's, according to him when I
spoke to him back in june, he'snot licensed in virginia, so he
can't help.
Who helped you sign yourcontract?
The attorney in California whowrote it, which is this
(13:12):
gentleman right here that theynamed in the first initial, not
the one the name.
That's all about that situation.
Um, what, yep, I did yesterdayearly morning speak to a uh
(13:34):
surrogacy attorney here locallywho actually turned down another
the other surrogate in my state, and her reasoning is because
when this first started and andeverybody was scrambling, the
(13:55):
IPs apparently contacted everyattorney and so nobody wanted to
say, yeah, we'll help thisperson, yeah, we'll help this
person until the IPs finallydecided who they wanted to go
with.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Is what I'm guessing.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
These people have some interesting strings.
Yeah, my little recorderyesterday was going off the hook
Because I recorded quite a bityesterday.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
As you should Like this is.
It's like unfathomable.
I can't even comprehend half ofit, because it's just like the
fact that that I'm still stuckon the fact that that one
attorney that said that shewould help you pro bono, which
applaud you for keeping all ofthis documentation, because this
is absolutely insane.
(14:50):
Well, just like, what are you?
What are you?
What are you supposed to do now?
Like is there another pro bono?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So the attorney that I talked to yesterday said oh
yeah, I'll represent you, wejust need to get the paperwork
signed.
And literally that was ataround the same time yesterday
morning.
So, about you know, morning ish, less than two hours later, I
was getting these emails fromtheir attorney.
And then, two hours after that,the that that attorney I spoke
(15:31):
to that morning was blowing meup, like called me several times
and I was like, okay, I'm atwork.
I granted, I work in a verylaid back place, but I can't
just yeah, and I kind of neededto talk to my husband too,
because oh my gosh yeah this isa.
(15:55):
this is something that, you know, both of us need to make a
decision on.
I can't just say, yeah, let'ssign no, because it then comes
to the uh, I'm also in the lastlegs of pregnancy.
I'm, I'm due in two weeks.
If I make it that long, right,if I sign anything or if I agree
(16:21):
to these addendums, which?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
16 pages of addendums .
Are you, are they okay?
So, since they are likesomewhat in contact with you, is
escrow still open?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
yes, escrow is still open, okay, so you're still good
on that.
Still good there.
I'm still getting paid, okay.
Um, the the last email that Igot from their attorneys
yesterday was about aroundlunchtime.
Um, they have, and basicallyit's I'm guessing it's from a
(17:04):
paralegal we have drafted theaddendum that will make your
contract compliant with Virginialaw.
Should have been compliant,compliant.
Does that mean my contractisn't valid Because it says
right there it will make itcompliant.
(17:24):
And you don't have a lawyer uh,I am attaching our draft for you
to see, but please do not signit yet.
Once you have an attorney, theywill review it with you and let
you know of any changes beforeall parties sign thanks.
So they did say don't sign it,which is not my plan anyway.
Like I'm already under so muchstress, which then leads to the,
(17:52):
am I being coerced into pickingan attorney and signing these
documents because I'm in such alate state and my emotions are
all over the place?
Because I'm in such a latestate and my emotions are all
over the place, right, but likeI literally, like it says, make
my contract compliant.
So does that mean my contractis not like?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I feel like they're going to scare you at this point
, because it's like how you hada lawyer in the beginning you
signed, there were contracts,there was nothing that was.
The ips weren't questioningthings in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know this doesn't mean the wording um, because in
my state we're not allowed tobe compensated, right, and that
was that word was in there a lot, and I'm like that word's not
supposed to be in there.
Oh, very interesting, but noone ever changed it, right?
(19:00):
And honestly, yeah, that's whatseveral of these Hold on.
Let me see how many pointsagain 59 points in this addendum
if 59, they want to make 59changes.
(19:22):
Oh my god, oh my gosh and okay,I know I'm not on video, but I'm
I'm showing Kennedy like myactual stack of paperwork here.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
It's a lot, it's a it's.
It's a lot like it's.
That's insane.
That and all I see right now ison your shirt says you matter
and I'm like, yes, you do.
You do matter.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Oh yeah, like it actually says to the person
behind me, it's like you aresmart, you are strong, you are
this year, it that it's like itlists several different things
and then it says you matter, soI needed this shirt today.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yes, and every day.
Jeez, oh my gosh.
Okay, so now you're on the huntfor a lawyer for Virginia.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yes, I do have a meeting with the attorney my
company uses later thisafternoon.
Oh, okay, because he did saysend me everything and he's over
it.
But of course all of that waslast week and all of this came
in literally yesterday.
(20:31):
So I've, of course, course, Ihit up chat gdp, gotta love them
.
I have to sign the surrogateforms if I don't want to,
because, I'm sorry, I reallydon't fucking want to at this
point um, sign anything.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You don't want to like that part.
I just know, like, just likeit's like a human like I don't
believe to sign anything.
You don't want to Like thatpart.
I just know, like, just like,as, like a human, like I don't
believe you have I'm not alawyer, but like I would bet 99%
that you don't have to signanything you don't feel
comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, and honestly, like that was part of the
conversation yesterday with thisfun attorney that I spoke to
she's like you'll be in breachof contract and they can take
legal action against you.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's like you'll be in breach of contract and they
can take legal action againstyou.
Oh my gosh, I hate that.
I was.
I've had that threat as well.
They use it as scare tactics,like go ahead and try.
What are you guys under rightnow?
You guys have enough going onwith the frickin feds, like
let's chill.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Like in my state we don't have a birth order.
We have a post-birth order, nota pre.
So I'm like, and my contractshould be approved by the court
preconception.
My contract wasn't approved bya court preconception, so and
(21:57):
like, of course, reading throughall this, I'm like I cannot be
forced to sign the parentageform or petition, uh, the pbo if
I do not agree and without myconsent.
The ips usually cannot finalizetheir parental rights through
that streamlined process.
They may have to go throughlegal routine adoption,
contested custody, et cetera, soforth.
And the Virginia courts alsopay close attention to whether
(22:22):
the surrogate's consent wasknowing, voluntary and not
coerced.
Hmm Well, let's see.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, the first signature, yes, but this one, if
we sign, no.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
At this point.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Like I'm pretty sure I'm going to pop any day at this
moment.
The stress, the stress, like Iactually, like I had my my 37
week appointment last week and,uh, they did the non-stress test
and you have to be here.
(23:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's, uh, Iactually halfway through my test
.
They're like um, we need you togo over to L&D oh no, because
you were contracting a lot.
Well, I am contracting.
It's not a lot, but theythought the baby's heart rate
dropped.
Okay, so they're like, just forsafety purposes, we're going to
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go ahead and send you over.
They have longer monitoringsystems.
You can do whatever whileyou're there blah, blah, blah,
do whatever while you're there,blah, blah, blah.
And so I just went to labor anddelivery, for I think it only
took about two hours and noissues, thank god.
But I'm like, yeah, what am Igonna have to go through today?
(23:46):
And, like, my next appointmentis supposed to be Thursday.
So, yeah, uh-huh.
But yeah, part of part of theinstructions on this is to keep
all documentation oh girl,you've been keeping all the
(24:06):
documentation, oh.
I got the documentation, um, butthey actually like name
evidence that I can use to fightthe outcome, basically Like for
contract validity evidence,like they want.
(24:26):
They said you know records likereports from CPS, past
negligence and abuse casesreports, criminal charges, uh,
witnesses, medical or schoolreports, and then, like my own
stability, I'm like, okay, I got, I got most of that.
Who can count as a witness?
Hmm, let's see a lot.
I'm like.
(24:47):
I'm asking in my own head, I'mlike can other surrogates that
I'm connected with be consideredwitnesses because they've
actually had hands-onexperiences and communications
with these parents?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
well, my knowledge of SVU and things like that.
I would say yes, becausethey're they're experiencing it
themselves right like they'reyeah, yeah considered witnesses.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
They're witnessing situations that are happening to
themselves as well yeah andokay, even if you take our
probably our bias out of it,because most but we're going to
be biased, unfortunately, forsure they but but they actually
saw them prior to and, like, gotto experience the hands-on
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aspect, whereas, you know,everybody who's reading the, the
reports and stuff like thatdon't necessarily have the
hands-on experience right withthis couple, right, so like,
okay, uh, I can I, I, I can be adoctor and tell you until I'm
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blue in the face that, okay,these people are great, but the
surrogate who actually satacross the dinner table from
them while they were talking ontheir phones or not having any
conversations with me through adinner right after transfer,
(26:20):
through a dinner right aftertransfer, okay, um, who's going
to be more valid in that case?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
the here the one who has actual experience with the
parents, right, yeah, yeah, yep,oh, my god, yeah, oh, and
there's still not someone who islike willing to like represent
all of you.
I mean, I know that has to be.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That's got to be a lot for sure the only thing that
I can think of on that one isbecause we are we are all across
state lines is trying to findsomebody who.
I don't know if it's licensingin each of those states matters
or if we do do something likethis, if it won't matter at that
(27:00):
point, because, yeah, most ofus at this point are willing to
in a way to protect the children, fight for these children,
right, we, we all know, ok, wemay not be able to bring these
babies home, but at this pointwe're damn sure ready to not let
(27:22):
them take these babies homeeither.
So I I even looked up like howlong it might take to come up
with a timeline and I would hateto bring this child home.
I and in six months to a yeartime, which is how much it's
saying that this could take,especially if there are further
(27:47):
appeals which apparently thesepeople of course have money, so
they don't really worry aboutthat are looking into because
they got surrogates?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Are you the only one that's receiving all this
information?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
So when I, when I get slapped with cause I'm next,
I'm the one who's giving birthnext.
So literally I'm, i'm'm, I'mnext on the hit list.
Um, and when, when somethinglike this, you know, hits me, I
(28:23):
go into immediate research andfind what I better my chances
whether it I'm, I'm already onthe list for cps and no contact
and hide her at the hospital andeverything.
But yeah, that for the like.
(28:50):
I do want to know what's goingto happen to the baby.
I do.
If I'm bringing her home, thenI need to prepare.
Yeah, you need to know what'sgoing to happen to the baby.
I do.
If I'm bringing her home, thenI need to prepare, yeah you need
to know that, because this isaround the corner.
Yeah, I have built a littleAmazon registry for the things
that I'm probably going to need.
Yeah, like all of us well know.
(29:11):
Yeah, like all of us well know.
But yeah, like I even found thenews release yesterday from the
police department for theirarrest yesterday and like I know
it because it is an ongoingopen investigation.
Like I did call and ask forpolice reports, they didn't give
(29:37):
me any.
The representative theytransferred me to I just went
straight to his voicemail.
So I get to call again today tosee if he might actually answer
me.
But yeah, like I know how muchthey like it literally says
(29:59):
right here you know how muchthey paid for bail.
It lists the felony childneglect and endangerment charge,
gives the case number and likethis I could find online.
Like like this was straight upopen news release type thing.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
That's good and then they had the audacity to be like
let's amend 59 things and getthis baby back with us.
How their lawyers crooked,there's crooked.
There's no way, there's no way,there's no way that this is any
(30:39):
part ethical, any of it.
The investigation is still open.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, like at the bottom it says this case is
currently under investigation.
Anyone with information areencouraged to contact the police
department are encouraged tocontact the police department?
uh, wait.
So do you have to contact thepolice department?
Uh, well, I the one that Ispoke to the records department
(31:09):
yesterday and the recordsdepartment was patching me
through to a detective.
So, yes, it's the detective whodidn't answer.
So I will probably be callingback yet again today and asking
for that same detective.
Or I might just even call andbe like, hey, I have information
(31:30):
.
Who are you going to put methrough to?
Like, honestly, I even calledthe chief of the police
department yesterday.
I mean, I do, I mean, and I, I,okay, I, I get.
You may not be able to send metranscripts and stuff like that,
but y'all need to know whatthey're saying too.
Like, I, I'm going to forwardthis fun little email to the
(31:56):
children's attorneys because Ihave her contact information.
I'm going to email the contactthat I have at DCFS and be like
WTF, because that's not what wehave been told basically from
the start of what's going on.
Right, it's not what we havebeen told basically from the
(32:20):
start of what's going on.
Like, right, yeah, they'vegotten one of their kids back,
yet no, you guys told me noteven last week that none of
their kids have gone back.
So then yeah, ok, they're lyingto the attorney here too, and
(32:41):
okay, not exactly thrilled withher at this moment, but she, she
might actually have you knowsomething to say about them
lying to her yeah, this is just.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
There's just so many weird.
It's just, it doesn't makesense.
None of it makes any sense,because how are they allowed to
contact you at this point?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
you should all have restraining orders against them,
like I, I don't know what this,if we're even allowed to have
restraining orders, to becompletely honest.
One of the girls in the groupasked that and they're like uh,
I don't know.
Yeah, but two of us havemeetings with different
attorneys, uh, me and my state,another girl in her state today
(33:29):
and like we're just gonna sitdown and start asking questions
like yeah, like I think, if youknow, if this, if he can, you
know, even with you know thisfun new vips won't pay for you,
type thing like out there, hasto have, has to have the heart
(33:53):
to do pro bono Like this is justsuch an unfathomable situation
that someone, someone has to bewilling to help.
At this point, like I, yeah, I,I can only hope somebody's heart
comes through and opens up andis like you know what comes
(34:18):
through, yeah, opens up, andit's like you know what.
Yeah, this is not right.
Kids, kids don't need to gothrough this.
You know these, these parentsor these women went into this,
you know, with open hearts,trying to help and you guys were
taken full advantage of.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Like, just like the rug pulled over you, just like
out of nowhere.
It's like like and I hate tosay that you were taken
advantage of, but like, at thispoint it's just like they played
you, like they they did, theyjust played everyone it's like I
I said yesterday, I'm like atthis point I feel like what my
husband says they're bending usover not using any lube at this
(34:53):
point oh my god and they aretrying to to at least scare me
at this moment, because yeah,I'm next and I, I am, I'm
literally, I'm next excuse me, Ireally do think that those are
empty threats, like there's justit's an open investigation.
(35:13):
There's no way a baby that isborn today, tomorrow is going
CPS won't do that.
Like these people.
Their lawyer is veryinteresting.
Something is either you'reright, something is either being
fed a lie like 100%, or that'sa crooked lawyer.
(35:36):
I don't know.
That's.
It's just too much.
You don't need the stress likethis isn't saying because you
said you're, you are next,you're 38 weeks, what tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
like you could pop this baby out literally tomorrow
and like yep, honestly,according to my you know, valid,
unvalid, controversial,non-controversial contract, I
was able to pop her out lastweek on Wednesday Really weeks.
(36:10):
So I'm still within contract,like yeah, but can I afford to
actually pay for an attorney tostep up and slap them down?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
not exactly and that's where my heart, that's
where my heart breaks more,because it's like it shouldn't
even be on you.
You in the beginning, you inthe beginning, you should have
had a, a good virginia lawyer,because then you could have gone
back and forth with that personand been like, hey, like now
it's this, now it's that, likeI'm still blown away at the fact
that that did not happen youwent in, right, I and I did.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I went around to um three attorneys and you know I
spoke to them.
I asked them their costs andyou know, went back to the
assistant and their costs weretoo far out of the ip's uh a
budget.
I bet you know they werewishing that they paid that
(37:17):
budget.
Yeah, and again, looking back,it's horrible, knowing what I
know now, I'm like how the fuckwas it out of their budget?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, no, for real, knowing what you know now
there's no way.
It just seems like maybe theyknew that that was a good lawyer
, like now my head goes rightLike, oh, maybe they knew that
was a good lawyer, so theywanted somebody that was like,
so that way, like we could takecontrol of the situation.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Somebody that's already in our pockets, that
we've used before.
You know stuff like that.
And yeah, that that attorneythat was mine, that wrote the
contract, has actually reachedout to several other the other,
the other surrogates and like,hey, how can I help?
I'm over here, like don't evenfucking talk to him.
He hasn't talked to the FBI,he's not licensed anywhere else.
(38:09):
Just don't even waste your time.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
No, their lawyer is doing that.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The lawyer who wrote my contract yes, oh golly okay,
yep, that california attorney,yeah, so yeah, I'm again.
I'm over here like nope, don't,don't talk to them, don't
acknowledge them, right.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Nothing.
No, you don't need to either.
If somebody reaches out thatyou don't want to talk to you,
don't have to talk to them.
Don't do it, especially like ohmy gosh.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So, yeah, yay, Do any day, if anyone wants to.
Uh, uh, has any advice, I willgladly accept it at this point.
Um, I do know one of yourlisteners mentioned a seed trust
I think it was before as anescrow account.
No, we're not with them.
(39:15):
Okay, I wish we were.
That's actually what was namedin my contract as being the
escrow account.
No, that's not our that's, andthat's not even one of the the
things that they wanted to fixin the contract wait.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
In your contract it says they were going to use seed
trust and they didn't yep, okay, I brought up several times
again.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
it was still ignored.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So Interesting Are all.
So all of you, are all of youat the same place?
No, you're not.
Yeah, cause that would besuspicious for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Somebody is with Ally .
Two of us are with the same.
Okay, is with ally?
Uh, two of us are with the same, okay, I don't remember the
other girl who she said hers waswith, that she already gave
birth, but um, yeah, um, thereare at least two.
And yeah because, like you said, if you had them all at the
(40:18):
same place, it may or may notdraw attention, but depending on
how crooked the place is, thatthey have it like okay, ally
goes by all kinds of nationalguidelines that one probably
would catch it, c-trust wouldprobably catch it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
The attorney's office that they use to write their
contract might be in theirpocket.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I was literally just thinking that I'm like okay, so
if this guy is trying to reachout to everybody, then clearly
he knows how many people theysent this to, so he's aware of
the situation and if he's, hebecause he did write my contract
and he did write the othersurrogate contracts, so we
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already know of two that he'swritten literally.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Because, yeah, I'm like I wonder how many contracts
they had copies of and theyjust made like cut and paste,
cut and paste, cut and pasteRight.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
That's where my head went.
I'm like, oh, they probablyjust wrote it once and then just
changed whatever they needed to, for whatever laws, and that
state and names needed to bechanged, things like that so how
many of us actually have thesame contract?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
so how many of our contracts are actually compliant
or not?
With that fun little, they useto update mine for the addendums
, oh my gosh, this is when youthink shit already hit the fan.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
It it just keeps coming out of the woodworks.
I, just I, I I feel so freaking, like my heart just like
continuously breaks for all ofyou, because it's just like how?
How is no one like there'speople for them, there's people
for the kids.
Where the hell are the peoplefor you guys?
(42:08):
This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It doesn't it, it really doesn't, and like um, oh
yeah, I did get a, a textmessage from the, the mom,
asking if, uh, I had consideredflying out to california to give
birth to the baby and she wouldfind me a house or an apartment
(42:32):
and cover all of the, the, theextras for me while I was there.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Is she allowed to contact you?
That's my first question.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
According to the old attorney, her new attorney.
You know my person, not myperson.
However, you want to refer toit to stay compliant, not breach
the contract.
I still needed to talk andanswer questions.
Breach the contract.
I still needed to talk andanswer questions because there
(43:05):
is no agency to go as themiddleman.
Oh, jesus, uh-huh.
So I?
That was wait what I was.
I have to go to go.
So I was.
I was already 36 weeks pregnantoh my god once was.
At this point, no doctor isgoing to.
(43:29):
Legally, let me leave this,this area.
Um, no airline will fly meanywhere.
For my safety and your baby'ssafety, I'm gonna have to turn
down your offer a hundredpercent.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
You're not gonna fly, you're not gonna go anywhere.
You're gonna stay in yourbubble because people there are
safe.
Okay, what are you supposed todo if your water breaks, like
tomorrow?
Do you?
Oh my god, do you know?
Yeah, wait, oh my gosh, whatare you supposed to do?
Are you supposed to contactthem because they're not really
supposed to have the baby?
Um?
Speaker 3 (44:06):
so that was also another part of their email.
Is that they can have.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
They just have to inform dcfs anytime a new child
comes into their care no, prettysure that authorities will tell
them hey you, we give you nowpermission.
You don't just be like hey, wecame to the hospital, picked,
picked up the baby, letting youknow that seems like kidnapping.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I mean yeah.
Oh my God, yeah, at this point,like again, no legal
representation, not knowing lawsor having that help.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
But you have a meeting today?
Yes, okay, and I'm reallyhopeful that you, that they can
answer and they can help.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, um, yeah, cause at this point, like I said,
anything, any, any informationthat, even if he can't help me,
any information that I can go tothe hospital, cps with when I
do pop.
And the last girl, they did anemergency, basically an
(45:42):
emergency who's going to takethe baby trial?
They allowed her to hold on tothe baby while things are
established and figured out.
Oh, wow, so, like, onesurrogate already has the baby
that she gave birth to.
She doesn't know what's goingto happen in 30 days time, but
(46:06):
they, they award, they awardedher temporary custody in a
different state, in a differentstate.
Um, so, like, again, I'm, I'mhopeful, yeah, so like, even if
cps is like, okay, no, youcannot have the baby and take
(46:28):
her home, but we're going to puther with a good foster family,
right, okay, I'm, I'm, I.
I may not like it because I hateto say it, I've kind of already
thought of a name, but I willaccept it.
It will be a lot easier to lether go at the hospital versus
(46:50):
trying to bring her home,letting my kids get even more
attached to her because, likeyesterday, my kids were all
about protecting the baby, notnecessarily mommy, but
protecting the baby and mommy'stummy.
So it is.
It is freaking adorable andlike I don't want, I can't have
(47:12):
them getting even more attachedto her and then risk losing her
right.
So like, yes, do I want tobring this baby home?
150 000 percent, yeah, do Iwant to start getting stuff
together?
Hell, yes, I I I can't say yetbought some diapers, bought some
wipes.
(47:32):
I already got somebody willingto to let me borrow a playpen
while I try and find a crib or arocking you know one of the
rockers and stuff like that, youknow just to have it.
But yeah, like I'm trying, likemy husband says, don't get your
(47:56):
hopes up.
Yeah, and I'm over here liketoo too late.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Mom's mama attachment is real you're just trying to
protect her.
You're just that's what yourjob has been literally for the
past like eight, nine months,just to protect her.
So like, yeah, I'd probably befeeling the same way you.
Just you don't want anybody tohurt her yeah, at this point, no
, don't.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
And with me, yeah, she'll be protected, exactly
exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
You're the one who's getting her here, so no one's
better to protect her right nowin this situation than you.
I completely understand thatand I really hope that the
meeting today goes in a positivedirection.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Well, yes, fingers crossed, I definitely, like I'm
hoping against hope thateverything goes okay.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, but at least he can, if not like, represent you
, at least give you clarity onwhere to go.
Yeah, yeah, that's like the bigthing I, I think for all of you
right now, is like can someonejust lay the path down and we'll
walk it?
Just lay it down, so yeah, likewhere do we go?
Shouldn't be that hard.
(49:14):
But I guess it is because thisis very unique look, even
freaking dorothy had a yellowbrick road.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Okay, I mean facts it's so true, it was spirally,
but it was there you know youhad a few detours, the sleeping
flowers, you know, saving peopleand stuff, but she had a brick
road to follow.
She did Give me a road.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I may not like it but I'll follow it Exactly, exactly
, and all of you just need thatpeace of mind.
I think if you had that and I'mhopeful, maybe that either
you'll get answers or that othergirl will get answers- Mm-hmm,
and like I said yesterday, I'mlike I pinned the news release
with the police information andcase number.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I'm like, take that that way he can get that.
You know, if there's anythingthat I've pinned to our group
that you can use to get any ofus at this, information at this
point, more information, even atdifferent states, do it.
Absolutely Because even ananswer in a different state is
(50:25):
an answer.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, no, it is Cause .
Then you can take that and youcan run with it in your state
type thing and adjust it how itneeds to be adjusted.
It's just.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Give me something else to research.
Yep, pretty much.
Yeah, oh gosh.
So yeah, that that's kind ofkind of where we're at.
Um, yeah, like I've alreadystarted nesting and cleaning and
trying to to store up stuff.
It's just a level of stressthat I was not willing to want
(50:59):
to accept.
But here I am, here the rest ofus are.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, I'm so sorry.
I wish there was better news,but hopefully I don't know.
I'm hopeful that this that Ireally am, I don't know.
I'm really hopeful that youguys will have some type of
answer today.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, last week when he told me, send him all my
stuff, you know he, he will lookat it, he's going to do what he
can to help.
I was flying so high to beperfectly.
I nothing could have dimmed myclouds that day.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
And then, of course, yesterday it's like okay, yeah,
there go the dimming but that'snot his part, that's not on his
part, that was on their.
No, no, so there's still hopethat he's like hey, I can,
jeepers, I need another coupledays, but like, yeah, like I can
do this yeah, exactly like hehasn't.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
He hasn't said no, I can't help you oh, okay, I love
that.
So, yeah, we're.
We haven't gotten there yet.
I'm guessing that's what partof this conversation will be
this afternoon, of whether ornot, yeah, I can still help you.
No, I can't, but here's what Ican do right let me lay the
brick road yeah yeah, start thefoundation.
(52:22):
But yeah, I'm the the.
The emotional roller coaster isdefinitely definitely there, um
.
So yeah, I told you guys I'dgive you a, an update, and well,
it's not a happy one.
It's kind of a happy one, kindof a not happy one.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
So, yeah, it's an update, no, and we really
appreciate it.
And I know the community well.
I've had a lot of people reachout being like, oh my gosh, this
story, like these ladies, youknow, and so everybody
definitely feels for you guys,and I know that everybody
definitely feels for you guysand I know that they're they're
everybody's rooting for you.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
I I had hoped that somebody would maybe reach out
and offer a hand but yeah, well,honestly, I like I haven't
completely given up on, like, myGoFundMe or anything, so that's
, that's still, that's still outthere and going.
You know, you know, fightingfor that innocent life.
It's becoming more and moreevident that 16 pages, 59 bullet
(53:26):
points, wild.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
That's like they're gonna make this into a movie.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
This is insane, like yeah, like, honestly, I, I'm,
I'm considering coming out ofthe closet you know media wise
but at the same time it's like,do I really that frenzy, with
the media coming after me right?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
maybe, maybe after delivery, when things have
settled and there's a real path,like you, don't need to take on
any more stress right now likethat, the whole level of stress
is just yeah, and it keepsbuilding and building.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
And like some days you think, oh, yeah, I'm gonna
bring little sophia ray home, oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
That's a sweet name it.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah, my other kids are named after family members.
Ray is actually a name that myentire family has in every
generation, so that's a familyname.
And the other night my husbandand I were just like what about
this?
What about this night?
My husband and I were just likewhat about this?
(54:38):
What about this name?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
And like he was like I'vehonestly been calling her Sophie
or Sophia for months and I'mlike that's on my list.
So yeah, um, yeah, if we bringher home, hey, sophia, ray,
we've got a name at least yeah,you do, do you?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
yeah, oh yeah, yep, yep, this is all very oh, my
gosh, just I would love to belike, oh, just breathe, but like
that's not that I can't saythat like I, you can't, you
can't breathe, you're doing whatyou're doing, yeah, no Cause.
You know, people always like,oh, don't try to worry about it,
(55:21):
just you know.
And it's like no, you arestanding tall, you, I told, I
told you the other day I waslike you have quickly become one
of my heroes because you are sostrong.
All of you ladies Like I, jesus, like you just keep getting run
over with semis and you'restill standing, and it's just
like it takes a very, veryspecial human to do that.
(55:45):
And all of you are just veryspecial and I just, and I am in
awe of your strength and yourdetermination and just
everything.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
So Well, like you said also during our last
podcast, it's like we're we'reall the stress and strength and
everything else that we'rehaving to exhibit and show.
We're passing that on to theselittle ones inside of us and,
like I relayed that to our, tomy group and my my group loved
that and yeah, again, we, wedon't want to be the
(56:18):
groundbreakers, we don't want tobe the ones, you know.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
No one wants to be for sure.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
Yeah, that's a lot like and I try and make sure no,
my stress levels are I.
I might try and seem like I'mokay, but yeah, no, you can
definitely tell.
And sometimes I'm having toshut the door.
I'm the, the, the young, whatis it?
(56:45):
We all turn our music up anddrive down the highway to
release all the tension.
I do that in my office.
They know as soon as my theycan hear my speaker outside of
my office to not come in thedoor.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I need my five minutes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Leave me the heck alone for five, ten minutes.
Throw chocolate under the door.
We're all good.
There you go.
I may not be able to pick it upat this point, but, Dagnabbit,
I'm going to try.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
It will not stop me.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
But yeah, breathing, yeah, it will not stop me.
But yeah, um breathing, yeah, I, I do that.
You breathe in, you breathe out.
Yeah, you do break occasionally.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yep, for sure but you're not made of stone like
you're.
You're still human.
You're just a badass human.
So it's just.
You know it's.
I'm happy that you all haveeach other because, obviously,
like the rest of us in thecommunity, we can, we can
(57:50):
empathize, but like we cannotsympathize, or yeah, yeah, I
don't, I always get confused,but you know where I'm going
with that?
Speaker 3 (57:57):
yeah, is it?
Something like that yeah, butyeah, everybody has their own
story.
They can understand or, youknow, go along with it to a
point.
But okay, who's ever dealt withthis before?
You ladies like just your group, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah and like
okay, I love my husband todeath.
(58:18):
He has been such a greatsupport system and everything he
was like.
It's not just happening to you,you know.
Like no, but you're next, as yousaid but I'm next, you're next,
okay, I, I understand.
You know a lot of this is alsogoing into my marriage and he
(58:39):
feels and deals with it too.
But it's also why I don't shareevery single detail with him,
like, okay, because I talked toan attorney today, they can't
help me.
He doesn't need to know that.
Oh, wow, okay, it's a wholenother level of stress.
Or when I do get emails and Ido tell him and he's like, okay,
(59:03):
well, what do we do now?
Speaker 2 (59:05):
he's like right, it's different.
It's a different type ofsupport.
Wonderful that he is there foryou and that he is your rock and
that, everything like that.
But definitely, right, he's notthe one going through the
motions like the other ladiesare.
So the exactly the words thatthey can provide are a bit more
(59:25):
like yes, that is my train ofthought, thank you.
Like you know, it's like thevalidation.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yep and OK, he's not going to understand that.
Getting up every three hours orevery two hours to go pee, you
know your back hurting becauseyou can't sleep on your your
back right.
Or you know the, the, thepregnancy stuff.
No man is ever going to be ableto grasp that 100% yeah.
(59:51):
Oh, it's like, okay, he can belike I'm sorry you didn't sleep.
I'm gonna be like yeah, I hearyou snoring over there.
I can't exactly, I'm sorry youdidn't sleep.
I'm gonna be like yeah, I hearyou snoring over there, or I
can't exactly blame this on you.
This is half your fault.
No, I can't do that, and nothis fault.
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
but yeah, oh, gosh well, please keep this posted.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I'm I mean, I I really would love to know how
today goes for you I, I will, Iwill reach out and I will let
you know, of course, later.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
You don't have to do.
You don't have to do it rightaway, but like I'm like girl, I
am last on your list, but like Iam here rooting for you but uh,
yeah, a direction, you know,would be great, and a community
like letting them know hey, thisis what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
And the fact that they still may be looking for
surrogates also has crossed ourminds, because they're, they
want a big family, and if theyhave to start from scratch, is
it a family?
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
we got questions about that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
That's unanswered the , the sports team people are
coming for y'all heads up, yeah,uh, yeah, so I'll let everybody
know.
And yeah, uh, like the, theGoFundMe is still up diapers too
.
We'll pass along the diapers.
We've already started a chainof uh, hey, we're the girl who
(01:01:28):
just gave birth is like, okay,you're next, so you're gonna get
the leftover newborns and sizeones.
And I'm like, okay, and I, Ibought size ones, not newborns.
So, girl after me, as soon as Iwe're out of the size ones, I'm
gonna pass those to you.
Like we're already creating achain to get each other's stuff,
if we can bring the babies homeand keep them oh, wow, oh, I'm
(01:01:51):
glad that you all have eachother.
Seriously, that's very helpfulwell, in a way, we're like okay,
like I had mentioned to you theother day, we're we're kind of
going to be family because thesekids, if their DNA does match,
they're siblings.
So we're basically each other'snew family.
(01:02:11):
We're we're going to be auntiesand uncles to all of these kids
.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
So yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
I mean it's cool, but it'scrazy.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, and there are 20 of us still out there, you
know, trying to find our family.
Yeah, oh gosh, sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Contraction.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Oh no, oh, my girl, do not go into labor on me right
now.
They're not close enoughtogether to warrant me going
anywhere yet, so you're fine,okay.
I can't tell the difference,though, when it's just her
moving and an actual like ohokay, yep, feel that nope didn't
last for 30 seconds or a minute, we're still good, okay.
Oh, my god, oh dear.
Yeah, like I told the guys atwork, if I pop while I'm at work
(01:03:04):
, you guys have to get me to thehospital.
They're like we'll just throwyou in the back of the van or
put you on a motorcycle.
I'm like I don't need to go ona motorcycle, okay we have
enough adrenaline and rush inour life right now.
The cycle is not necessarythey're like we'll just throw
you in the back of the van, it'seasier to clean out.
I'm like thanks guys, lovey'all too.
(01:03:25):
I like the plan that's cute.
Oh my gosh, how funny you'rethe only girl working in in a
full man-based operation.
Yeah, it can get funny quiteoften oh, how funny oh, they've
already said we'll be yoursecurity team, we'll come and
(01:03:46):
stand at labor and delivery andnot let anyone in.
I'm like, while I love you guysnow right, no, right, thanks,
but no thanks, thanks, but nothanks all right.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Well, thank you so much for giving this update and
doing it so early in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Well, you, did it earlier than I did.
I'll say that.
So I thank you, like okay.
So it's a the day where I'mgonna have all the kids by
myself.
When can I do this?
Let's see if we can work out aschedule we did it, we got it
done.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So I'm I'm hoping for the best for you and the other
girl today, and so I really hopethat you guys get like a path
laid out at least, or someclarity of something.
Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
So she's got about another month left, so she has
got time.
She's got a little bit moretime than I do, but yeah, just
like we said, some, some paths,even if it's one that we don't
like like.
If I hear the, you're justgoing to have to suck it up.
I'm going to make a lot ofnoise, but I'll suck it up.
(01:04:58):
I don't want to hear that, butI don't think you'll hear that
At this point, with everythingthat we're being told, and I'm
ready to hear anything at thispoint.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
It's there.
Be ready, right.
Just at least be ready for all,for all possibilities.
Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Be ready right, just at least be ready for all
possibilities, all possibilities, but yeah, okay, so yeah, thank
you everyone for listening.
This one's not as long thistime, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I don't know, I was just involved.
I'm just saying I'm not even, Idon't think so.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
No, no, I don't think we went for two hours.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
nope, we're good, oh, that's right, you're right, the
other one was two hours.
Lol, I like totally forget,because I'm just like just
talking.
Yeah, just talking, justtalking.
Oh okay, well, you have, I hopeyou have a good day.
I hope, hope, little, littlelittle babes can just hang on
for a little longer so we canget some answers, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, we're keeping our legs closed this time,
perfect.
Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
All right, well, you have a beautiful day, okay.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
You guys too.
Bye, everyone Bye.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
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This is the same girl that gaveher story then, so we really
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I really really hope that yourmeeting goes well and that you
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This is a lot, and I feelreally bad that everyone has
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi everybody, welcome back to Stop Sit Surrogate.
I am flying solo today, butit's all good and we have an
update on some Mark surrogacyscandal, I guess, information.
So our friend, our dear friend,is back.
What's going on, girl?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
is back.
What's going on, girl?
Hey everyone, so just a littlebit of an update.
What's today, tuesday the 16th?
So yeah, tomorrow I will be 38weeks.
Yay, safe to deliver.
Safe to deliver, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Perfect.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I will take it I'm.
I'm actually tomorrow isactually the anniversary of my
grandmother's birthday.
So I'm like I'm feeling acertain kind of way like I might
have some little pixie dusthelp going on to to make her
come early, but at the same timeI'm like oh, not exactly sure
what's going to happen, so I'mnot ready for you to come early
(01:27):
yet.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I was gonna say so, is there, if she were to, if she
were to come tomorrow?
Where, where is she?
Where's she going?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
good question.
We still don't know there'sstill.
It's still up in the air ohyeah, but I do have uh updates.
Okay if my my last talk withyou guys?
Oh yeah, it's fun.
So, as it stands, it does turnout that the intended parents
(02:01):
did take my attorney that I wasspeaking to for over a month and
a half.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Took Like away from you.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, like I got.
I've been emailing thisattorney since the middle of
July and towards the end ofAugust I got the fun little um.
Let's see exactly what she saidhere, august 20.
(02:32):
Yeah, I will definitely saysave everything, ladies, when
you're doing stuff like this,because, yeah, paperwork is in
my favor at this point.
(02:53):
I learned from my mother.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, documentation is key, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Okay, here it is.
I think it's best that Irepresent the IPs what?
And then I can push for someclear-cut answers from them,
based on the new academy ethicsrules and on my own ethical
obligations.
Of course, they might want toback out and not want me once I
(03:21):
start asking questions and Iknow you are lost right now
because we don't have correctinfo and have to get some
answers.
The best way to directly isfrom the, the IPS and their CA
lawyer.
Okay, that was, um, that wasaround the beginning of August
(03:42):
and it was basically shot home.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Uh, august 21st so a couple weeks ago.
She's a lawyer, wants to playlike double agent.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, she claimed she could get more answers and
because she had their attorney'scontact information and stuff
like that, and then she wouldpass it along.
The one that was my favoritewas let's see, I wanted to
(04:30):
update you that I've learned alot about this situation and
have spoken directly to the IPsand their criminal defense and
dependency attorneys.
I have a lot more info and I'mpulling together to send to you
so you're more comfortable withthe situation and that nothing
illegal is happening.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'm sorry what?
Yeah Comfortable with thesituation that nothing illegal
has happened, when we allclearly know illegal things have
happened?
Sounds like a crooked lawyer um, so uh?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
she then responded if we represent the ips, can?
uh, because she was working withsomeone else at this point,
like another one of you girls,like another attorney, like two
attorneys, two, I contactedseveral attorneys and these two
actually joined up pro bono tohelp me, which I have that email
as well, saying we'll work withyou pro bono and then I get all
these.
So she then, you know, taggedthe other attorney.
(05:32):
She's like if we represent theIPs, can you please represent,
of course, me in the hospitaland parentage process for which
the IPs will pay, assuming thatthe info I send you gives you
comfort and no concerns aboutrepresenting the surrogate me.
What I wanted to send you, theword that I have looked into
(05:56):
this further and while it isweird to want to have so many
children although I had Catholicfamilies in my neighborhood
growing up with 11, 15, and even18, I don't see anything
illegal here.
The media has presented asomewhat distorted view and the
IPs deserve a chance to telltheir side.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, she just seems like an awful lawyer, Like that
is she seems like.
Now I'm like, oh, is she beingbribed with money, Like lots of
money that she doesn't want toturn down Like cause.
How do you say that that's soethical Cause?
You said in the beginning shelike sent you a thing saying
like, oh, for my ethical values.
(06:40):
And, girl, if you had, if youhad any ethics at all, you'd be
like like I'm gonna help thesesurrogates because this is a
really messed up situation.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So you you would think, um yeah, so that's.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That's the fun part oh, okay, so you said that you
had messaged several lawyers,though, so it's is.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It was this like the main lawyer that was gonna like
help, uh-huh yep, this is theone that actually said yes to
where a lot of the others saidno.
So then yesterday I get the.
I finally get the uh updatedinformation of basically the ip
story, which another email and Iprinted it.
(07:23):
Of course it's literally a fullsheet like of their story.
Of their story, my favorite partis um that they're uh, hold on,
let me see.
Oh yeah, the original issue isthat the nannies allegedly
(07:54):
neglected and or possibly abusedone of the children.
However, the child had someexisting medical issues and
special needs and was havingsome of those medical issues
wasn't there a video?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
uh, wasn't there a video of her like yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, there, there's.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
There's a video out there, okay okay so, um, and I I
actually know the surrogate whogave birth to that child and
she's like, um, no, really, soyeah like no, they don't have
(08:39):
special needs.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Like that's not true.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, okay, wow, wow what like um, yeah, she's, she
did.
When I told this all camethrough yesterday, um, actually,
so like I, I immediately wentto my group and I'm like um, hey
, that was that, that was yours,right, he, he was yours.
(09:04):
And she's like, yeah, and I'mlike, hey, that was yours, right
, he was yours.
And she's like yeah, and I'mlike so they're basically saying
that he had issues?
And she's like, no, fuck, hedidn't.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Wow, does he have issues now?
Does anybody know like therepercussions of like what
happened?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So the last that I have heard is he was still in
the hospital oh my god, um, andunfortunately, like news is news
, money is money.
If it's not making any money,they won't put it back out there
.
But so we have exactly heardtoo too much Continuously from
(09:46):
it, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, that whole paper.
So is that whole paper?
You've read it?
Obviously Is it just like allBS Like you can just be like
yeah, that's BS, that's BS.
That's BS Like this is not.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, Pretty much.
It names their their attorneyin California.
It mentions a little bit aboutthe DCFS case and about how DCFS
is wrong and that the IPs haveenrolled in parenting classes
(10:26):
and they are under investigationbut the home assessments are
good and they've already gottenone of their children back and,
pending the trial where theirattorney, they're going to be
allowed to take custody of anynew children born via surrogacy
(10:53):
custody of any new children bornvia surrogacy.
Just have to let dcfs know.
Um, and yeah, they're workingon ways to get the other
children back.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'm not shocked that they're working on ways to get
them back.
I'm shocked if it's true thatthey got one kid back.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I'm like a teen year old right, yeah, that's the
oldest um I, that's the one thatI actually met at dinner.
Right, I'm guessing?
Um to amend my contract To whatI've got?
(11:27):
16 pages of addendums to mycontract?
Oh, yep, according to, becausethis is all apparently in one
email.
It's a big email.
Oh, it was back and forth andit was good.
(11:49):
Oh, yeah, they wanted to knowif they wanted, if I needed an
attorney to represent me.
Well, where's your?
Don't you have?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
an attorney to represent you.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So the gentleman that I found is not specialized in
surrogacy, so, um, that's alsopart of this email.
Uh, it does not appear that theattorney does any family law,
especially assisted inreproductive technology.
I do not see how he is going tobe helpful at all with regard
(12:23):
to the parentage process, andit's not an attorney that the
ips are going to be helpful atall with regard to the parentage
process, and it's not anattorney that the IPs are going
to pay for because he does nothave the prerequisite expertise.
I am not sure how or why youselected him.
Can you please explain what?
Okay, wait is?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
this the.
This is their attorney, okay,but yeah, but you had to have
contracts signed at thebeginning.
Was this guy representing youin?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
the beginning.
No, so they did name himactually in the initial uh, the
start of this email, um, buthe's, according to him when I
spoke to him back in june, he'snot licensed in virginia, so he
can't help.
Who helped you sign yourcontract?
The attorney in California whowrote it, which is this
(13:12):
gentleman right here that theynamed in the first initial, not
the one the name.
That's all about that situation.
Um, what, yep, I did yesterdayearly morning speak to a uh
(13:34):
surrogacy attorney here locallywho actually turned down another
the other surrogate in my state, and her reasoning is because
when this first started and andeverybody was scrambling, the
(13:55):
IPs apparently contacted everyattorney and so nobody wanted to
say, yeah, we'll help thisperson, yeah, we'll help this
person until the IPs finallydecided who they wanted to go
with.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Is what I'm guessing.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
These people have some interesting strings.
Yeah, my little recorderyesterday was going off the hook
Because I recorded quite a bityesterday.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
As you should Like this is.
It's like unfathomable.
I can't even comprehend half ofit, because it's just like the
fact that that I'm still stuckon the fact that that one
attorney that said that shewould help you pro bono, which
applaud you for keeping all ofthis documentation, because this
is absolutely insane.
(14:50):
Well, just like, what are you?
What are you?
What are you supposed to do now?
Like is there another pro bono?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So the attorney that I talked to yesterday said oh
yeah, I'll represent you, wejust need to get the paperwork
signed.
And literally that was ataround the same time yesterday
morning.
So, about you know, morning ish, less than two hours later, I
was getting these emails fromtheir attorney.
And then, two hours after that,the that that attorney I spoke
(15:31):
to that morning was blowing meup, like called me several times
and I was like, okay, I'm atwork.
I granted, I work in a verylaid back place, but I can't
just yeah, and I kind of neededto talk to my husband too,
because oh my gosh yeah this isa.
(15:55):
this is something that, you know, both of us need to make a
decision on.
I can't just say, yeah, let'ssign no, because it then comes
to the uh, I'm also in the lastlegs of pregnancy.
I'm, I'm due in two weeks.
If I make it that long, right,if I sign anything or if I agree
(16:21):
to these addendums, which?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
16 pages of addendums .
Are you, are they okay?
So, since they are likesomewhat in contact with you, is
escrow still open?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
yes, escrow is still open, okay, so you're still good
on that.
Still good there.
I'm still getting paid, okay.
Um, the the last email that Igot from their attorneys
yesterday was about aroundlunchtime.
Um, they have, and basicallyit's I'm guessing it's from a
(17:04):
paralegal we have drafted theaddendum that will make your
contract compliant with Virginialaw.
Should have been compliant,compliant.
Does that mean my contractisn't valid Because it says
right there it will make itcompliant.
(17:24):
And you don't have a lawyer uh,I am attaching our draft for you
to see, but please do not signit yet.
Once you have an attorney, theywill review it with you and let
you know of any changes beforeall parties sign thanks.
So they did say don't sign it,which is not my plan anyway.
Like I'm already under so muchstress, which then leads to the,
(17:52):
am I being coerced into pickingan attorney and signing these
documents because I'm in such alate state and my emotions are
all over the place?
Because I'm in such a latestate and my emotions are all
over the place, right, but likeI literally, like it says, make
my contract compliant.
So does that mean my contractis not like?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I feel like they're going to scare you at this point
, because it's like how you hada lawyer in the beginning you
signed, there were contracts,there was nothing that was.
The ips weren't questioningthings in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know this doesn't mean the wording um, because in
my state we're not allowed tobe compensated, right, and that
was that word was in there a lot, and I'm like that word's not
supposed to be in there.
Oh, very interesting, but noone ever changed it, right?
(19:00):
And honestly, yeah, that's whatseveral of these Hold on.
Let me see how many pointsagain 59 points in this addendum
if 59, they want to make 59changes.
(19:22):
Oh my god, oh my gosh and okay,I know I'm not on video, but I'm
I'm showing Kennedy like myactual stack of paperwork here.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
It's a lot, it's a it's.
It's a lot like it's.
That's insane.
That and all I see right now ison your shirt says you matter
and I'm like, yes, you do.
You do matter.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Oh yeah, like it actually says to the person
behind me, it's like you aresmart, you are strong, you are
this year, it that it's like itlists several different things
and then it says you matter, soI needed this shirt today.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yes, and every day.
Jeez, oh my gosh.
Okay, so now you're on the huntfor a lawyer for Virginia.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yes, I do have a meeting with the attorney my
company uses later thisafternoon.
Oh, okay, because he did saysend me everything and he's over
it.
But of course all of that waslast week and all of this came
in literally yesterday.
(20:31):
So I've, of course, course, Ihit up chat gdp, gotta love them
.
I have to sign the surrogateforms if I don't want to,
because, I'm sorry, I reallydon't fucking want to at this
point um, sign anything.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You don't want to like that part.
I just know, like, just likeit's like a human like I don't
believe to sign anything.
You don't want to Like thatpart.
I just know, like, just like,as, like a human, like I don't
believe you have I'm not alawyer, but like I would bet 99%
that you don't have to signanything you don't feel
comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, and honestly, like that was part of the
conversation yesterday with thisfun attorney that I spoke to
she's like you'll be in breachof contract and they can take
legal action against you.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's like you'll be in breach of contract and they
can take legal action againstyou.
Oh my gosh, I hate that.
I was.
I've had that threat as well.
They use it as scare tactics,like go ahead and try.
What are you guys under rightnow?
You guys have enough going onwith the frickin feds, like
let's chill.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Like in my state we don't have a birth order.
We have a post-birth order, nota pre.
So I'm like, and my contractshould be approved by the court
preconception.
My contract wasn't approved bya court preconception, so and
(21:57):
like, of course, reading throughall this, I'm like I cannot be
forced to sign the parentageform or petition, uh, the pbo if
I do not agree and without myconsent.
The ips usually cannot finalizetheir parental rights through
that streamlined process.
They may have to go throughlegal routine adoption,
contested custody, et cetera, soforth.
And the Virginia courts alsopay close attention to whether
(22:22):
the surrogate's consent wasknowing, voluntary and not
coerced.
Hmm Well, let's see.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, the first signature, yes, but this one, if
we sign, no.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
At this point.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Like I'm pretty sure I'm going to pop any day at this
moment.
The stress, the stress, like Iactually, like I had my my 37
week appointment last week and,uh, they did the non-stress test
and you have to be here.
(23:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's, uh, Iactually halfway through my test
.
They're like um, we need you togo over to L&D oh no, because
you were contracting a lot.
Well, I am contracting.
It's not a lot, but theythought the baby's heart rate
dropped.
Okay, so they're like, just forsafety purposes, we're going to
(23:24):
go ahead and send you over.
They have longer monitoringsystems.
You can do whatever whileyou're there blah, blah, blah,
do whatever while you're there,blah, blah, blah.
And so I just went to labor anddelivery, for I think it only
took about two hours and noissues, thank god.
But I'm like, yeah, what am Igonna have to go through today?
(23:46):
And, like, my next appointmentis supposed to be Thursday.
So, yeah, uh-huh.
But yeah, part of part of theinstructions on this is to keep
all documentation oh girl,you've been keeping all the
(24:06):
documentation, oh.
I got the documentation, um, butthey actually like name
evidence that I can use to fightthe outcome, basically Like for
contract validity evidence,like they want.
(24:26):
They said you know records likereports from CPS, past
negligence and abuse casesreports, criminal charges, uh,
witnesses, medical or schoolreports, and then, like my own
stability, I'm like, okay, I got, I got most of that.
Who can count as a witness?
Hmm, let's see a lot.
I'm like.
(24:47):
I'm asking in my own head, I'mlike can other surrogates that
I'm connected with be consideredwitnesses because they've
actually had hands-onexperiences and communications
with these parents?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
well, my knowledge of SVU and things like that.
I would say yes, becausethey're they're experiencing it
themselves right like they'reyeah, yeah considered witnesses.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
They're witnessing situations that are happening to
themselves as well yeah andokay, even if you take our
probably our bias out of it,because most but we're going to
be biased, unfortunately, forsure they but but they actually
saw them prior to and, like, gotto experience the hands-on
(25:37):
aspect, whereas, you know,everybody who's reading the, the
reports and stuff like thatdon't necessarily have the
hands-on experience right withthis couple, right, so like,
okay, uh, I can I, I, I can be adoctor and tell you until I'm
(25:57):
blue in the face that, okay,these people are great, but the
surrogate who actually satacross the dinner table from
them while they were talking ontheir phones or not having any
conversations with me through adinner right after transfer,
(26:20):
through a dinner right aftertransfer, okay, um, who's going
to be more valid in that case?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
the here the one who has actual experience with the
parents, right, yeah, yeah, yep,oh, my god, yeah, oh, and
there's still not someone who islike willing to like represent
all of you.
I mean, I know that has to be.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That's got to be a lot for sure the only thing that
I can think of on that one isbecause we are we are all across
state lines is trying to findsomebody who.
I don't know if it's licensingin each of those states matters
or if we do do something likethis, if it won't matter at that
(27:00):
point, because, yeah, most ofus at this point are willing to
in a way to protect the children, fight for these children,
right, we, we all know, ok, wemay not be able to bring these
babies home, but at this pointwe're damn sure ready to not let
(27:22):
them take these babies homeeither.
So I I even looked up like howlong it might take to come up
with a timeline and I would hateto bring this child home.
I and in six months to a yeartime, which is how much it's
saying that this could take,especially if there are further
(27:47):
appeals which apparently thesepeople of course have money, so
they don't really worry aboutthat are looking into because
they got surrogates?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Are you the only one that's receiving all this
information?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
So when I, when I get slapped with cause I'm next,
I'm the one who's giving birthnext.
So literally I'm, i'm'm, I'mnext on the hit list.
Um, and when, when somethinglike this, you know, hits me, I
(28:23):
go into immediate research andfind what I better my chances
whether it I'm, I'm already onthe list for cps and no contact
and hide her at the hospital andeverything.
But yeah, that for the like.
(28:50):
I do want to know what's goingto happen to the baby.
I do.
If I'm bringing her home, thenI need to prepare.
Yeah, you need to know what'sgoing to happen to the baby.
I do.
If I'm bringing her home, thenI need to prepare, yeah you need
to know that, because this isaround the corner.
Yeah, I have built a littleAmazon registry for the things
that I'm probably going to need.
Yeah, like all of us well know.
(29:11):
Yeah, like all of us well know.
But yeah, like I even found thenews release yesterday from the
police department for theirarrest yesterday and like I know
it because it is an ongoingopen investigation.
Like I did call and ask forpolice reports, they didn't give
(29:37):
me any.
The representative theytransferred me to I just went
straight to his voicemail.
So I get to call again today tosee if he might actually answer
me.
But yeah, like I know how muchthey like it literally says
(29:59):
right here you know how muchthey paid for bail.
It lists the felony childneglect and endangerment charge,
gives the case number and likethis I could find online.
Like like this was straight upopen news release type thing.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
That's good and then they had the audacity to be like
let's amend 59 things and getthis baby back with us.
How their lawyers crooked,there's crooked.
There's no way, there's no way,there's no way that this is any
(30:39):
part ethical, any of it.
The investigation is still open.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, like at the bottom it says this case is
currently under investigation.
Anyone with information areencouraged to contact the police
department are encouraged tocontact the police department?
uh, wait.
So do you have to contact thepolice department?
Uh, well, I the one that Ispoke to the records department
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yesterday and the recordsdepartment was patching me
through to a detective.
So, yes, it's the detective whodidn't answer.
So I will probably be callingback yet again today and asking
for that same detective.
Or I might just even call andbe like, hey, I have information
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.
Who are you going to put methrough to?
Like, honestly, I even calledthe chief of the police
department yesterday.
I mean, I do, I mean, and I, I,okay, I, I get.
You may not be able to send metranscripts and stuff like that,
but y'all need to know whatthey're saying too.
Like, I, I'm going to forwardthis fun little email to the
(31:56):
children's attorneys because Ihave her contact information.
I'm going to email the contactthat I have at DCFS and be like
WTF, because that's not what wehave been told basically from
the start of what's going on.
Right, it's not what we havebeen told basically from the
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start of what's going on.
Like, right, yeah, they'vegotten one of their kids back,
yet no, you guys told me noteven last week that none of
their kids have gone back.
So then yeah, ok, they're lyingto the attorney here too, and
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okay, not exactly thrilled withher at this moment, but she, she
might actually have you knowsomething to say about them
lying to her yeah, this is just.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
There's just so many weird.
It's just, it doesn't makesense.
None of it makes any sense,because how are they allowed to
contact you at this point?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
you should all have restraining orders against them,
like I, I don't know what this,if we're even allowed to have
restraining orders, to becompletely honest.
One of the girls in the groupasked that and they're like uh,
I don't know.
Yeah, but two of us havemeetings with different
attorneys, uh, me and my state,another girl in her state today
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and like we're just gonna sitdown and start asking questions
like yeah, like I think, if youknow, if this, if he can, you
know, even with you know thisfun new vips won't pay for you,
type thing like out there, hasto have, has to have the heart
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to do pro bono Like this is justsuch an unfathomable situation
that someone, someone has to bewilling to help.
At this point, like I, yeah, I,I can only hope somebody's heart
comes through and opens up andis like you know what comes
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through, yeah, opens up, andit's like you know what.
Yeah, this is not right.
Kids, kids don't need to gothrough this.
You know these, these parentsor these women went into this,
you know, with open hearts,trying to help and you guys were
taken full advantage of.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Like, just like the rug pulled over you, just like
out of nowhere.
It's like like and I hate tosay that you were taken
advantage of, but like, at thispoint it's just like they played
you, like they they did, theyjust played everyone it's like I
I said yesterday, I'm like atthis point I feel like what my
husband says they're bending usover not using any lube at this
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point oh my god and they aretrying to to at least scare me
at this moment, because yeah,I'm next and I, I am, I'm
literally, I'm next excuse me, Ireally do think that those are
empty threats, like there's justit's an open investigation.
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There's no way a baby that isborn today, tomorrow is going
CPS won't do that.
Like these people.
Their lawyer is veryinteresting.
Something is either you'reright, something is either being
fed a lie like 100%, or that'sa crooked lawyer.
(35:36):
I don't know.
That's.
It's just too much.
You don't need the stress likethis isn't saying because you
said you're, you are next,you're 38 weeks, what tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
like you could pop this baby out literally tomorrow
and like yep, honestly,according to my you know, valid,
unvalid, controversial,non-controversial contract, I
was able to pop her out lastweek on Wednesday Really weeks.
(36:10):
So I'm still within contract,like yeah, but can I afford to
actually pay for an attorney tostep up and slap them down?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
not exactly and that's where my heart, that's
where my heart breaks more,because it's like it shouldn't
even be on you.
You in the beginning, you inthe beginning, you should have
had a, a good virginia lawyer,because then you could have gone
back and forth with that personand been like, hey, like now
it's this, now it's that, likeI'm still blown away at the fact
that that did not happen youwent in, right, I and I did.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I went around to um three attorneys and you know I
spoke to them.
I asked them their costs andyou know, went back to the
assistant and their costs weretoo far out of the ip's uh a
budget.
I bet you know they werewishing that they paid that
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budget.
Yeah, and again, looking back,it's horrible, knowing what I
know now, I'm like how the fuckwas it out of their budget?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, no, for real, knowing what you know now
there's no way.
It just seems like maybe theyknew that that was a good lawyer
, like now my head goes rightLike, oh, maybe they knew that
was a good lawyer, so theywanted somebody that was like,
so that way, like we could takecontrol of the situation.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Somebody that's already in our pockets, that
we've used before.
You know stuff like that.
And yeah, that that attorneythat was mine, that wrote the
contract, has actually reachedout to several other the other,
the other surrogates and like,hey, how can I help?
I'm over here, like don't evenfucking talk to him.
He hasn't talked to the FBI,he's not licensed anywhere else.
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Just don't even waste your time.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
No, their lawyer is doing that.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The lawyer who wrote my contract yes, oh golly okay,
yep, that california attorney,yeah, so yeah, I'm again.
I'm over here like nope, don't,don't talk to them, don't
acknowledge them, right.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Nothing.
No, you don't need to either.
If somebody reaches out thatyou don't want to talk to you,
don't have to talk to them.
Don't do it, especially like ohmy gosh.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So, yeah, yay, Do any day, if anyone wants to.
Uh, uh, has any advice, I willgladly accept it at this point.
Um, I do know one of yourlisteners mentioned a seed trust
I think it was before as anescrow account.
No, we're not with them.
(39:15):
Okay, I wish we were.
That's actually what was namedin my contract as being the
escrow account.
No, that's not our that's, andthat's not even one of the the
things that they wanted to fixin the contract wait.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
In your contract it says they were going to use seed
trust and they didn't yep, okay, I brought up several times
again.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
it was still ignored.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
So Interesting Are all.
So all of you, are all of youat the same place?
No, you're not.
Yeah, cause that would besuspicious for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Somebody is with Ally .
Two of us are with the same.
Okay, is with ally?
Uh, two of us are with the same, okay, I don't remember the
other girl who she said hers waswith, that she already gave
birth, but um, yeah, um, thereare at least two.
And yeah because, like you said, if you had them all at the
(40:18):
same place, it may or may notdraw attention, but depending on
how crooked the place is, thatthey have it like okay, ally
goes by all kinds of nationalguidelines that one probably
would catch it, c-trust wouldprobably catch it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
The attorney's office that they use to write their
contract might be in theirpocket.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I was literally just thinking that I'm like okay, so
if this guy is trying to reachout to everybody, then clearly
he knows how many people theysent this to, so he's aware of
the situation and if he's, hebecause he did write my contract
and he did write the othersurrogate contracts, so we
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already know of two that he'swritten literally.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Because, yeah, I'm like I wonder how many contracts
they had copies of and theyjust made like cut and paste,
cut and paste, cut and pasteRight.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
That's where my head went.
I'm like, oh, they probablyjust wrote it once and then just
changed whatever they needed to, for whatever laws, and that
state and names needed to bechanged, things like that so how
many of us actually have thesame contract?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
so how many of our contracts are actually compliant
or not?
With that fun little, they useto update mine for the addendums
, oh my gosh, this is when youthink shit already hit the fan.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
It it just keeps coming out of the woodworks.
I, just I, I I feel so freaking, like my heart just like
continuously breaks for all ofyou, because it's just like how?
How is no one like there'speople for them, there's people
for the kids.
Where the hell are the peoplefor you guys?
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This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It doesn't it, it really doesn't, and like um, oh
yeah, I did get a, a textmessage from the, the mom,
asking if, uh, I had consideredflying out to california to give
birth to the baby and she wouldfind me a house or an apartment
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and cover all of the, the, theextras for me while I was there.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Is she allowed to contact you?
That's my first question.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
According to the old attorney, her new attorney.
You know my person, not myperson.
However, you want to refer toit to stay compliant, not breach
the contract.
I still needed to talk andanswer questions.
Breach the contract.
I still needed to talk andanswer questions because there
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is no agency to go as themiddleman.
Oh, jesus, uh-huh.
So I?
That was wait what I was.
I have to go to go.
So I was.
I was already 36 weeks pregnantoh my god once was.
At this point, no doctor isgoing to.
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Legally, let me leave this,this area.
Um, no airline will fly meanywhere.
For my safety and your baby'ssafety, I'm gonna have to turn
down your offer a hundredpercent.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
You're not gonna fly, you're not gonna go anywhere.
You're gonna stay in yourbubble because people there are
safe.
Okay, what are you supposed todo if your water breaks, like
tomorrow?
Do you?
Oh my god, do you know?
Yeah, wait, oh my gosh, whatare you supposed to do?
Are you supposed to contactthem because they're not really
supposed to have the baby?
Um?
Speaker 3 (44:06):
so that was also another part of their email.
Is that they can have.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
They just have to inform dcfs anytime a new child
comes into their care no, prettysure that authorities will tell
them hey you, we give you nowpermission.
You don't just be like hey, wecame to the hospital, picked,
picked up the baby, letting youknow that seems like kidnapping.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I mean yeah.
Oh my God, yeah, at this point,like again, no legal
representation, not knowing lawsor having that help.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
But you have a meeting today?
Yes, okay, and I'm reallyhopeful that you, that they can
answer and they can help.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, um, yeah, cause at this point, like I said,
anything, any, any informationthat, even if he can't help me,
any information that I can go tothe hospital, cps with when I
do pop.
And the last girl, they did anemergency, basically an
(45:42):
emergency who's going to takethe baby trial?
They allowed her to hold on tothe baby while things are
established and figured out.
Oh, wow, so, like, onesurrogate already has the baby
that she gave birth to.
She doesn't know what's goingto happen in 30 days time, but
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they, they award, they awardedher temporary custody in a
different state, in a differentstate.
Um, so, like, again, I'm, I'mhopeful, yeah, so like, even if
cps is like, okay, no, youcannot have the baby and take
(46:28):
her home, but we're going to puther with a good foster family,
right, okay, I'm, I'm, I.
I may not like it because I hateto say it, I've kind of already
thought of a name, but I willaccept it.
It will be a lot easier to lether go at the hospital versus
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trying to bring her home,letting my kids get even more
attached to her because, likeyesterday, my kids were all
about protecting the baby, notnecessarily mommy, but
protecting the baby and mommy'stummy.
So it is.
It is freaking adorable andlike I don't want, I can't have
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them getting even more attachedto her and then risk losing her
right.
So like, yes, do I want tobring this baby home?
150 000 percent, yeah, do Iwant to start getting stuff
together?
Hell, yes, I I I can't say yetbought some diapers, bought some
wipes.
(47:32):
I already got somebody willingto to let me borrow a playpen
while I try and find a crib or arocking you know one of the
rockers and stuff like that, youknow just to have it.
But yeah, like I'm trying, likemy husband says, don't get your
(47:56):
hopes up.
Yeah, and I'm over here liketoo too late.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Mom's mama attachment is real you're just trying to
protect her.
You're just that's what yourjob has been literally for the
past like eight, nine months,just to protect her.
So like, yeah, I'd probably befeeling the same way you.
Just you don't want anybody tohurt her yeah, at this point, no
, don't.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
And with me, yeah, she'll be protected, exactly
exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
You're the one who's getting her here, so no one's
better to protect her right nowin this situation than you.
I completely understand thatand I really hope that the
meeting today goes in a positivedirection.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Well, yes, fingers crossed, I definitely, like I'm
hoping against hope thateverything goes okay.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, but at least he can, if not like, represent you
, at least give you clarity onwhere to go.
Yeah, yeah, that's like the bigthing I, I think for all of you
right now, is like can someonejust lay the path down and we'll
walk it?
Just lay it down, so yeah, likewhere do we go?
Shouldn't be that hard.
(49:14):
But I guess it is because thisis very unique look, even
freaking dorothy had a yellowbrick road.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Okay, I mean facts it's so true, it was spirally,
but it was there you know youhad a few detours, the sleeping
flowers, you know, saving peopleand stuff, but she had a brick
road to follow.
She did Give me a road.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I may not like it but I'll follow it Exactly, exactly
, and all of you just need thatpeace of mind.
I think if you had that and I'mhopeful, maybe that either
you'll get answers or that othergirl will get answers- Mm-hmm,
and like I said yesterday, I'mlike I pinned the news release
with the police information andcase number.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I'm like, take that that way he can get that.
You know, if there's anythingthat I've pinned to our group
that you can use to get any ofus at this, information at this
point, more information, even atdifferent states, do it.
Absolutely Because even ananswer in a different state is
(50:25):
an answer.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, no, it is Cause .
Then you can take that and youcan run with it in your state
type thing and adjust it how itneeds to be adjusted.
It's just.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Give me something else to research.
Yep, pretty much.
Yeah, oh gosh.
So yeah, that that's kind ofkind of where we're at.
Um, yeah, like I've alreadystarted nesting and cleaning and
trying to to store up stuff.
It's just a level of stressthat I was not willing to want
(50:59):
to accept.
But here I am, here the rest ofus are.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, I'm so sorry.
I wish there was better news,but hopefully I don't know.
I'm hopeful that this that Ireally am, I don't know.
I'm really hopeful that youguys will have some type of
answer today.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, last week when he told me, send him all my
stuff, you know he, he will lookat it, he's going to do what he
can to help.
I was flying so high to beperfectly.
I nothing could have dimmed myclouds that day.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
And then, of course, yesterday it's like okay, yeah,
there go the dimming but that'snot his part, that's not on his
part, that was on their.
No, no, so there's still hopethat he's like hey, I can,
jeepers, I need another coupledays, but like, yeah, like I can
do this yeah, exactly like hehasn't.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
He hasn't said no, I can't help you oh, okay, I love
that.
So, yeah, we're.
We haven't gotten there yet.
I'm guessing that's what partof this conversation will be
this afternoon, of whether ornot, yeah, I can still help you.
No, I can't, but here's what Ican do right let me lay the
brick road yeah yeah, start thefoundation.
(52:22):
But yeah, I'm the the.
The emotional roller coaster isdefinitely definitely there, um
.
So yeah, I told you guys I'dgive you a, an update, and well,
it's not a happy one.
It's kind of a happy one, kindof a not happy one.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
So, yeah, it's an update, no, and we really
appreciate it.
And I know the community well.
I've had a lot of people reachout being like, oh my gosh, this
story, like these ladies, youknow, and so everybody
definitely feels for you guys,and I know that everybody
definitely feels for you guysand I know that they're they're
everybody's rooting for you.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
I I had hoped that somebody would maybe reach out
and offer a hand but yeah, well,honestly, I like I haven't
completely given up on, like, myGoFundMe or anything, so that's
, that's still, that's still outthere and going.
You know, you know, fightingfor that innocent life.
It's becoming more and moreevident that 16 pages, 59 bullet
(53:26):
points, wild.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
That's like they're gonna make this into a movie.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
This is insane, like yeah, like, honestly, I, I'm,
I'm considering coming out ofthe closet you know media wise
but at the same time it's like,do I really that frenzy, with
the media coming after me right?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
maybe, maybe after delivery, when things have
settled and there's a real path,like you, don't need to take on
any more stress right now likethat, the whole level of stress
is just yeah, and it keepsbuilding and building.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
And like some days you think, oh, yeah, I'm gonna
bring little sophia ray home, oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
That's a sweet name it.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah, my other kids are named after family members.
Ray is actually a name that myentire family has in every
generation, so that's a familyname.
And the other night my husbandand I were just like what about
this?
What about this night?
My husband and I were just likewhat about this?
(54:38):
What about this name?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
And like he was like I'vehonestly been calling her Sophie
or Sophia for months and I'mlike that's on my list.
So yeah, um, yeah, if we bringher home, hey, sophia, ray,
we've got a name at least yeah,you do, do you?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
yeah, oh yeah, yep, yep, this is all very oh, my
gosh, just I would love to belike, oh, just breathe, but like
that's not that I can't saythat like I, you can't, you
can't breathe, you're doing whatyou're doing, yeah, no Cause.
You know, people always like,oh, don't try to worry about it,
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just you know.
And it's like no, you arestanding tall, you, I told, I
told you the other day I waslike you have quickly become one
of my heroes because you are sostrong.
All of you ladies Like I, jesus, like you just keep getting run
over with semis and you'restill standing, and it's just
like it takes a very, veryspecial human to do that.
(55:45):
And all of you are just veryspecial and I just, and I am in
awe of your strength and yourdetermination and just
everything.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
So Well, like you said also during our last
podcast, it's like we're we'reall the stress and strength and
everything else that we'rehaving to exhibit and show.
We're passing that on to theselittle ones inside of us and,
like I relayed that to our, tomy group and my my group loved
that and yeah, again, we, wedon't want to be the
(56:18):
groundbreakers, we don't want tobe the ones, you know.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
No one wants to be for sure.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
Yeah, that's a lot like and I try and make sure no,
my stress levels are I.
I might try and seem like I'mokay, but yeah, no, you can
definitely tell.
And sometimes I'm having toshut the door.
I'm the, the, the young, whatis it?
(56:45):
We all turn our music up anddrive down the highway to
release all the tension.
I do that in my office.
They know as soon as my theycan hear my speaker outside of
my office to not come in thedoor.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I need my five minutes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Leave me the heck alone for five, ten minutes.
Throw chocolate under the door.
We're all good.
There you go.
I may not be able to pick it upat this point, but, Dagnabbit,
I'm going to try.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
It will not stop me.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
But yeah, breathing, yeah, it will not stop me.
But yeah, um breathing, yeah, I, I do that.
You breathe in, you breathe out.
Yeah, you do break occasionally.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yep, for sure but you're not made of stone like
you're.
You're still human.
You're just a badass human.
So it's just.
You know it's.
I'm happy that you all haveeach other because, obviously,
like the rest of us in thecommunity, we can, we can
(57:50):
empathize, but like we cannotsympathize, or yeah, yeah, I
don't, I always get confused,but you know where I'm going
with that?
Speaker 3 (57:57):
yeah, is it?
Something like that yeah, butyeah, everybody has their own
story.
They can understand or, youknow, go along with it to a
point.
But okay, who's ever dealt withthis before?
You ladies like just your group, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah and like
okay, I love my husband todeath.
(58:18):
He has been such a greatsupport system and everything he
was like.
It's not just happening to you,you know.
Like no, but you're next, as yousaid but I'm next, you're next,
okay, I, I understand.
You know a lot of this is alsogoing into my marriage and he
(58:39):
feels and deals with it too.
But it's also why I don't shareevery single detail with him,
like, okay, because I talked toan attorney today, they can't
help me.
He doesn't need to know that.
Oh, wow, okay, it's a wholenother level of stress.
Or when I do get emails and Ido tell him and he's like, okay,
(59:03):
well, what do we do now?
Speaker 2 (59:05):
he's like right, it's different.
It's a different type ofsupport.
Wonderful that he is there foryou and that he is your rock and
that, everything like that.
But definitely, right, he's notthe one going through the
motions like the other ladiesare.
So the exactly the words thatthey can provide are a bit more
(59:25):
like yes, that is my train ofthought, thank you.
Like you know, it's like thevalidation.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yep and OK, he's not going to understand that.
Getting up every three hours orevery two hours to go pee, you
know your back hurting becauseyou can't sleep on your your
back right.
Or you know the, the, thepregnancy stuff.
No man is ever going to be ableto grasp that 100% yeah.
(59:51):
Oh, it's like, okay, he can belike I'm sorry you didn't sleep.
I'm gonna be like yeah, I hearyou snoring over there.
I can't exactly, I'm sorry youdidn't sleep.
I'm gonna be like yeah, I hearyou snoring over there, or I
can't exactly blame this on you.
This is half your fault.
No, I can't do that, and nothis fault.
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
but yeah, oh, gosh well, please keep this posted.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I'm I mean, I I really would love to know how
today goes for you I, I will, Iwill reach out and I will let
you know, of course, later.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
You don't have to do.
You don't have to do it rightaway, but like I'm like girl, I
am last on your list, but like Iam here rooting for you but uh,
yeah, a direction, you know,would be great, and a community
like letting them know hey, thisis what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
And the fact that they still may be looking for
surrogates also has crossed ourminds, because they're, they
want a big family, and if theyhave to start from scratch, is
it a family?
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
we got questions about that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
That's unanswered the , the sports team people are
coming for y'all heads up, yeah,uh, yeah, so I'll let everybody
know.
And yeah, uh, like the, theGoFundMe is still up diapers too
.
We'll pass along the diapers.
We've already started a chainof uh, hey, we're the girl who
(01:01:28):
just gave birth is like, okay,you're next, so you're gonna get
the leftover newborns and sizeones.
And I'm like, okay, and I, Ibought size ones, not newborns.
So, girl after me, as soon as Iwe're out of the size ones, I'm
gonna pass those to you.
Like we're already creating achain to get each other's stuff,
if we can bring the babies homeand keep them oh, wow, oh, I'm
(01:01:51):
glad that you all have eachother.
Seriously, that's very helpfulwell, in a way, we're like okay,
like I had mentioned to you theother day, we're we're kind of
going to be family because thesekids, if their DNA does match,
they're siblings.
So we're basically each other'snew family.
(01:02:11):
We're we're going to be auntiesand uncles to all of these kids
.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
So yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
I mean it's cool, but it'scrazy.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, and there are 20 of us still out there, you
know, trying to find our family.
Yeah, oh gosh, sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Contraction.
Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Oh no, oh, my girl, do not go into labor on me right
now.
They're not close enoughtogether to warrant me going
anywhere yet, so you're fine,okay.
I can't tell the difference,though, when it's just her
moving and an actual like ohokay, yep, feel that nope didn't
last for 30 seconds or a minute, we're still good, okay.
Oh, my god, oh dear.
Yeah, like I told the guys atwork, if I pop while I'm at work
(01:03:04):
, you guys have to get me to thehospital.
They're like we'll just throwyou in the back of the van or
put you on a motorcycle.
I'm like I don't need to go ona motorcycle, okay we have
enough adrenaline and rush inour life right now.
The cycle is not necessarythey're like we'll just throw
you in the back of the van, it'seasier to clean out.
I'm like thanks guys, lovey'all too.
(01:03:25):
I like the plan that's cute.
Oh my gosh, how funny you'rethe only girl working in in a
full man-based operation.
Yeah, it can get funny quiteoften oh, how funny oh, they've
already said we'll be yoursecurity team, we'll come and
(01:03:46):
stand at labor and delivery andnot let anyone in.
I'm like, while I love you guysnow right, no, right, thanks,
but no thanks, thanks, but nothanks all right.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Well, thank you so much for giving this update and
doing it so early in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Well, you, did it earlier than I did.
I'll say that.
So I thank you, like okay.
So it's a the day where I'mgonna have all the kids by
myself.
When can I do this?
Let's see if we can work out aschedule we did it, we got it
done.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So I'm I'm hoping for the best for you and the other
girl today, and so I really hopethat you guys get like a path
laid out at least, or someclarity of something.
Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
So she's got about another month left, so she has
got time.
She's got a little bit moretime than I do, but yeah, just
like we said, some, some paths,even if it's one that we don't
like like.
If I hear the, you're justgoing to have to suck it up.
I'm going to make a lot ofnoise, but I'll suck it up.
(01:04:58):
I don't want to hear that, butI don't think you'll hear that
At this point, with everythingthat we're being told, and I'm
ready to hear anything at thispoint.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
It's there.
Be ready, right.
Just at least be ready for all,for all possibilities.
Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Be ready right, just at least be ready for all
possibilities, all possibilities, but yeah, okay, so yeah, thank
you everyone for listening.
This one's not as long thistime, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I don't know, I was just involved.
I'm just saying I'm not even, Idon't think so.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
No, no, I don't think we went for two hours.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
nope, we're good, oh, that's right, you're right, the
other one was two hours.
Lol, I like totally forget,because I'm just like just
talking.
Yeah, just talking, justtalking.
Oh okay, well, you have, I hopeyou have a good day.
I hope, hope, little, littlelittle babes can just hang on
for a little longer so we canget some answers, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, we're keeping our legs closed this time,
perfect.
Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
All right, well, you have a beautiful day, okay.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
You guys too.
Bye, everyone Bye.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
All right.
Well, thank you so much forgiving us another update.
I know a lot of you havereached out regarding the Mark
Surrogacy podcast that weuploaded a couple weeks ago.
This is the same girl that gaveher story then, so we really
(01:06:37):
appreciate the update.
I really really hope that yourmeeting goes well and that you
guys get some answers, becausethis is this is.
This is a lot, and I feelreally bad that everyone has
representation except for thesewonderful ladies.
So I just don't understand that.
But if anybody has anyquestions or stories that they
(01:06:59):
would like to share, please feelfree to reach out to us on
instagram at stop period sitperiod surrogate, or you can
email us at stop period sitperiod, surrogate at gmailcom.
And this has been anotherepisode of stop sit surrogate.
All right, see you guys later.
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