The Marks Surrogacy Fraud: A Surrogate's Story

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome.
We are a mother-daughterpodcast about all things
surrogacy.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Together, we have brought eight beautiful babies
into this world and we wouldlike to share, through education
and knowledge about surrogacy,with those who want to educate
themselves on the topic.
This is Stop Sit.
Surrogate.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi, everybody, welcome back to Stop Sit
Surrogate with Kennedy and Ellen.
Hey, everybody, welcome back toStop Sit Surrogate with Kennedy
and.
Ellen, hey everybody.
We are on the audio today.
We have a very special podcasttoday with a very special person
, and this is going to be ananonymous podcast.
So go ahead, sit back, grab awater, grab a tea, grab

(00:42):
something stronger and let's getright to it.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Grab some wine, because I can't, oh gosh yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Right, okay, so you're pregnant.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, I am.
I will be 34 weeks tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh my gosh, You're around the corner.
I didn't know you were that farin.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yep, I'm already that far in Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Everything going okay with the actual pregnancy?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
For the most part, yes, um, she goes up and down.
It is a girl, uh, on her weight, okay, uh, of course, because,
well, she's a baby.
But, yeah, otherwise, uh, thepregnancy itself is going okay,
yes, no, no big hiccups oraccidents or anything else that

(01:30):
we've looked, we've had to dealwith.
Fingers crossed, knock on woodcontinues that way Right, yeah,
and physically feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Just I want to just tag on you're physically feeling
, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, Um, I definitely feel the, the
stretches, and I know it'simpossible, but I swear uh that
she's either putting her fingersin between my ribs or her toes
and just like stretching themout that way.
I know it's impossible, butthat's kind of how I feel, oh
she's, she moves, she, she needsroom, she moves, she needs room

(02:04):
.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh yeah, wow.
Okay.
So I'm curious Is this yourfirst surrogacy?
It is my first surrogacy, is it?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I have two keepers of my own.
They are three and four, butthis is my first round of
surrogacy round of surrogacy.
I guess I will figure out ifit'll be my only round,
depending on what happens.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Right, we ask everybody and feel free to
answer.
If you don't want to, you don'thave to.
How did you hear aboutsurrogacy, Like, how did it get
in your ear and your brain?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So actually one of my friends who I've had now for
almost 10 years was a surrogateand did three of her own
journeys as an independent andafter my son was born in 2022, I

(03:06):
really started to look at itlike I've been blessed twice.
I'm going to pick her brain andsee if maybe this is something
that I might like to do myself.
And the more I picked her brain, the more I researched, the
more I listened to you guys,because I found you guys on
Spotify and started listeningYay, spotify, yeah.
And of course, like everybodyhas heard Ellen's journey

(03:28):
stories about the triplets andstuff like that and I'm like aw,
that just sounds so awesome andamazing.
And people like love this andblah, blah, blah.
And I painted the rosiestpicture I could to try and
convince my family to support meon this.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
And obviously they did.
They were on board.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yes, my, my family is very supportive, not as happy
about what's going on currentlynow, but they're still
supportive of me and of the babyBecause it's like we've said,
it's a baby.
What's going on currently hasnothing to do with the little

(04:16):
life inside of me.
It's not their fight.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Exactly so we keep alluding to oh, this and that
and you know what's going on andthings like that.
So can I start at the beginningand just curious on how you got
involved with this agency thatyou're?
I don't even know if they'restill existent, but who you're

(04:40):
with?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
who you're with.
So I actually I'll go ahead andkind of start from scratch,
because my friend she fully youknow supported the independent
journey and I actually I wantedto go that way because I felt it
costs less to the intendedparents and this is not a cheap

(05:02):
process, right, and I wanted totry and save them as much as I
possibly could.
And I know agencies, eventhough they some of them are
worth their while, some of themare not.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
So I put a introduction, like a lot of us
see on the independent one ofthe independent match sites on
Facebook.
Oh, okay.
With my picture introducingmyself, saying you know,
basically giving a little youknow profile hey, I want to meet
somebody.
Your dating profile forintended parents, basically

(05:39):
Right.
And I had a few people reachout to me, a few couples, all
kinds of couples, and I narrowedit down and started talking to
two couples.
One couple was not as ready asthey thought they were.
They were kind of just startingtheir research and not

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realizing how much in fact, evengoing the independent route was
going to be.
Yeah, so they were.
They were going to take a stepback and so like I concentrated
more on this couple and like wehad several facetime calls and I
actually I liked her smile, theintended mother's smile.

(06:28):
I thought she seemed reallygenuine and nice and sweet and
she cared and we formed aconnection and built that
connection probably for aboutsix months.
So it did I, I I definitelytook my time in finally deciding

(06:49):
to pick them.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Wow, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Uh, they claimed they were everything that I wanted
independent, everything,basically, us.
I had medical clearance Januaryof 2023 and my BMI was a little
high, so I had to lose someweight.

(07:20):
We started legal in eitherMarch or April and finished up
by June, and there were Of 23?
, of 24.
24.
Okay, got you?
Okay, yep, no, we weren't thatquick.
No, okay, 24.
And I should have dug more inall, complete, complete honesty,

(07:45):
because there were red flagspopping up that I questioned,
but they had an immediate answerready to go ah, can you share
one of those or no, sure?
um, my point of contact wassupposed to be, uh, my intended
mother's assistant.
Okay, her email that I keptgoing back and forth with wasn't

(08:11):
like a Gmail or a Yahoo oranything.
It was for Mark's surrogacy.
Oh.
And when I asked, I was told theintended mother had a friend at
Mark's surrogacy who set it upfor her assistant to have an

(08:31):
email because it was cheapergoing through the clinics if it
looked like you belonged to anagency versus just coming off
the street.
Oh, that's interesting, yeah,which, honestly, I've worked in
medical offices.
They will play that gamesometimes depending on where you

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come from.
Sure, um, just to not reallycheat the system but cheat the
system.
So it kind of sounded legit tome, I so it kind of sounded
legit to me and you know I justI wiped that.
You know I wiped that asidebecause, literally, I asked and
it wasn't even 20 minutes laterthat they had an answer.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Reply for me, okay, so it was quick, like to be
honest with you, I probablywould have done the same thing
and went oh okay, that makessense.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, that wouldn't have been too big of a red flag
at that moment you had the rightto question it.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
But anybody would I think anybody probably would
have thought that like oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, no problem.
Yeah, so, um, I, uh, we wentthrough legal.
The attorney that I had, um,actually was cause I tried
searching for an attorney whereI am because I'm in a different
state than my intended parents,as most of us are Um, everybody

(09:57):
that I talked to in my state, uh, was outside of the
quote-unquote budget I was given.
So, okay, when I told theassistant that she's like, well,
here are five names, call them,see who you click with and let

(10:18):
us know what you decide.
Okay, this was kind of red flagnumber two, but again, you know
, I'm a first timer I yeah, youknow, pick the brain
occasionally of my friend andI'm like, hey, is this normal?
and she's like sometimes peoplewill do it if they know that

(10:39):
these people, these attorneys,will work within their budget,
right, um, they've heard fromfriends or they have the list
from the like.
She said her friend worked forthe agency, so maybe they got
the couple of numbers from theagency and you know work from
there.
Okay, so I picked, I startedoff calling two of the uh, two

(11:01):
of the attorneys, and one almostseemed too good to be true
because I'm a military spouse,okay, okay, he helped out with
the military.
He claimed he was a surrogateparent beforehand with his
children and he was willing towork within their budget.

(11:21):
And I'm like you know what?
I think we have a few things incommon and I like how you know
both sides.
You know being an, a parent andworking with surrogates.
I'm like that's, that's reallycool.
I like that.
I'm going to pick you.
Was he in your state?
No, okay, and he did say he canonly do the contract portion.

(11:45):
When it came to my state.
Only does post birth orders.
He said when it comes to postbirth order, you are going to
have to look somewhere in yourstate to do the post birth order
.
Ok, and he's like I do have acouple of names that I can give
you at that you know when that'snecessary.

(12:05):
Or you can reach out to theattorneys that you've talked to
before, which I, honestly, waspretty much going to do anyway,
because there aren't very manyin my state as much as some
other states, right?
So I accepted that answer andwe moved along.

(12:27):
Okay.
Um, contracting wise,everything's everything pretty
much went over.
Okay, like there were no reallygiant kickbacks.
Um, we had already discussedfees and you know,
reimbursements and medical andstuff like that.
I have have tricare, which isnot surrogate friendly, as most

(12:48):
of us know.
Okay, so like I neededinsurance, uh stuff, and um,
they wanted me to pick out mylife insurance policy and they
basically would pay for that,like I would, um, not uh, they
said basically said, find thepolicy, um, and we'll reimburse

(13:10):
you monthly for it, or every sixmonths or whatever.
Um, which one my friend saidshe did have a couple who did do
that.
So that didn't really send up ared flag for her.
I um at that time.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, me either Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Right and the middle of July my mom and I flew to
California and had transfernumber one done.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Okay, so wait, last July, july of 2024.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
July of 2024.
Yes of 2024, yes, okay, okay,um we used uh hrc pasadena okay
oh, okay, I've been therepopular yep, um, very popular,
um, um and like the doctorseemed nice, uh, he, uh, wilcox,

(14:07):
dr Wilcox.
I had Dr Wilcox.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
he said he's been doing it a while and you know
his nurses were friendly.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Good, I had to drink a lot of water sitting there
beforehand because I did go tothe restroom before we left the
hotel before transfer, but yeah,yeah, that's just me so
uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I know, I hear you yeah, um, the intended parents
did not make it to the transferokay, um, so you haven't met
them at this point, you haven'teven met them in person, right?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
so actually during my medical clearance, when I went
out in January, I met her.
Oh, her, okay, she and herassistant took me out for lunch
okay, did she portray as myhusband is busy uh, yes, okay,
yep, and honestly, when I did doone of the facTimes he spoke

(15:05):
very little English.
He said hi, smiled and wavedand that was pretty much the
extent of his English.
And her English is there, butit's very broken.
You have to pay attention.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Okay, did they share their story?
I don't mean to back up alittle bit or go off topic, like
you have to pay attention.
Okay, great, did they sharetheir story?
I don't mean to back up alittle bit or go off topic, but
did they share their story Likethey didn't have any kids and
they just always wanted them?
Or did they mention that theyalready had some?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
So, yes, they did.
And comparing and contrasting,for the few of us that are in
this situation, my story wasactually a little different than
theirs.
Okay, I was told the intendedparents had a son.
Okay, just one, just one, okay.

(16:01):
And the intended mother had alot of issues because she
doesn't.
She, she, she ran into healthissues Like she.
Her doctors told her to slowdown and she didn't.
And between work and trying tomake their lives ready and
better, she was informed afterher son was born with

(16:23):
difficulties and came up withseveral health issues.
She couldn't have another.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, okay that's plausible, yeah, which yeah,
yeah, that's not a red flag whenI would.
Yeah, I, so far, I don't seemany red flags, which is, I
think, the more concerningaspect of it.
Right, right, yeah, when youhmm, right, yeah, okay, when you
look back and really startdigging.
And you start to pick it apart.

(16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
And hearing other stories and you can pick it
apart.
Yeah, that's when they startpopping, like you know, right.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Then it all makes sense.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah Right, but little pieces here and there,
it's like value yeah, it makessense like any of us, any of us
could have especially like well,it's not.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's, I think, what makes I I've heard that a lot of
first-time surrogates areinvolved in this and like that
makes my skin boil a little.
Not that like if I was involvedin this would I have thought
any different.
I don't think I, up till rightnow, what you're sharing I
really wouldn't have me neither,like everything that she has
said makes so much sense yes butI just don't like the um, the,

(17:31):
what's that word?
oh my gosh, they use the svu allthe time where they're like,
they're praying, they're praying, they're praying, yeah, they're
praying on advantage of firsttime certain people yeah I don't
like it.
Okay, okay.
So they have one son?
Okay, supposedly, and she'sbecause she's not able to.
She has, she has fertility, uminfertility, yes, yeah, okay,

(17:55):
okay.
So you guys have a transfer yousaid, first transfer yeah yep,
um transfer goes good um.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
unfortunately, it was during that time of when, like,
all of the airplanes gotcanceled and shut down, so we
ended up getting stuck for a fewmore days.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's right.
Oh, so you went later part ofJuly because I had just gotten
back early July.
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
So we got to spend two nights in a hotel uh, by the
airport that was.
That was fun did you?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I'm so curious, right , because, like, at the end,
we're going to be able to pieceeverything together and it's all
going to kind of come to one.
So did you pay for the hotel,or was that?
Or did the ip the, the ip'spaid for the?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
hotel was actually comped by the airline.
Love that even better.
Um, we did have meal passes,also copped by the airline okay
but it didn't cover like fullmeals, so they went ahead and
covered the.
Basically the remainder, okayokay, okay there.
Okay so yeah, which.

(19:01):
Okay there, okay so yeah, which.
I honestly I couldn't eat thatmuch food anyway what we were
comped for.
So hotel food was moreexpensive and we did have to
submit for a little bit.
But, yeah, everything,everything worked out and so,
yeah, they, they coveredeverything, definitely for the
first journey the rental car,the, the bags, the flight.

(19:24):
They took care of it all.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Okay, okay.
Was the original plan aftertransfer that you would spend
the night and then go home thenext day, or were you supposed
to head home tuesday?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
she wanted uh more bed rest time oh yeah, okay that

(19:57):
, what wait?

Speaker 4 (19:57):
she wanted it, or the fertility doc wanted it no, she
wanted it um friday, saturdaysunday, monday, that's five days
.
Well, yeah, what?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
yep huh, some people go home the same day, like five
days, yeah, yeah, um and on, uh,like, honestly, for transfer
number two, I, I, she wantedfive days again.
And I'm like, look, my son'sbirthday is literally the end of
the week when you want thistransfer.
I cannot stay five days again.
And I'm like, look, my son'sbirthday is literally the end of
the week when you want thistransfer.
I cannot stay five days again.

(20:29):
Yeah, okay, okay, so yeah, butI did it the first time, okay,
wow, unfortunately, well,fortunately, baby grew to about
six weeks, four days.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Did you know if it was boy or girl boy?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
oh, so that one was a boy that one was a boy, so you
did get pregnant and six, six, alittle over six weeks, yeah yes
, okay, um, and unfortunately,at around you know, the middle
of six and a half weeks hestopped growing.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Um, we kept, we went back the next week and the week
after to make sure, but then mymonitoring clinic here, um, they
were like, unfortunately we'regoing to have to call this one a
a no-go a no-go and inseptember I had to.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I went through a dnc oh, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Oh, you, poor thing, that's hard it it?
It definitely was.
I've never had, of course, hadto do one before, and it was
very, very emotional because,yes, you're invested, I know you
want this for this family, andnot only does it hurt you, it
hurts them and it hurts youagain because you want to help
them, like you're doing this forthem.

(21:54):
Yep, they did, you know.
Like they checked on me, theycalled me Not right after it was
done, because I was, of course,higher than a kite.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, sure, that's the one good thing, yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
But yeah, like they kept texting and checking on me
making sure I was okay, and youknow that I took the next two
days off because I think it aeither a Wednesday or a Thursday
that I had it done.
So like they're like, go ahead,make sure you take your time
off from work.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
And you know they they took everything there, yeah
for lost wages, right yeah, yep, okay.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
There was an issue with trying to run their credit
card prior to the actualappointment and I had to pay for
it myself and they didreimburse me, but that was quite
a chunk of change that I wasnot exactly prepared to have to
spend at that point.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Whoa wait you, you had to charge the DNC.
Yes, oh, I'm so sorry, yep,expensive Now, now, now that,
and I'm I'm so sorry what?
Yeah, that's expensive now, now, now that, and I'm not.
That would have been a red flagto me.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yep, that would have been yeah, they're not cheap
like uh, it was because I had topay for it, of course,
beforehand and like my mom wentwith me to a couple for a couple
of the appointments becausethey they wanted to know who was
going to be driving me home,get her instructions, stuff like
that Cause my husband's in themilitary, you know he can't

(23:31):
exactly take off every time Iturn around and um my, my mom
was hot oh.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I bet, like let me just say how lucky you are being
a military family, that you'renear your mom, like honestly,
yeah, I'm a.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I'm a unicorn.
Very few people actually get tostay in their area longer than
the two to four years, and myhusband has been stationed in
this area now Almost.
His son is going to be 13 thisyear.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh wow, knock on his first marriage.
Knocka, knocka, because I thinkthat's a saving grace here.
Like that you had that supportright and I mean I know your
husband's a support too.
But I'm just saying this isthis is rough.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like shoutout to yeah, shout out to mama.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Okay, I am a.
I am a unicorn.
I am a born and raised in thisstate.
I'm I'm 37 and I've lived herealmost all of my life.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
That is a unicorn.
That's amazing, that's amazing,okay, wow.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Okay, so you had to charge that to your card.
I'm like still, as you say,things like my head is still
stuck on the previous thing thatyou said, and then like it's
like that's my first red flag.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
That really, because the rest of them know, but
that's my first one.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, no, that is my first red flag.
It's just, that's wild.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
So they reimburse you for that pretty quickly, or?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, I definitely put the urgent note on that one
because I'm like, look, if I paythis, I can't make my car
payment.
Uh, yeah, so I need this, likeput in this afternoon to be
reimbursed by escrow tomorrow.
Right, yeah, and did theycomply?
Yes, they did happen.
Yep, okay, escrow can normallyturn it around pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
They can yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Okay, nice.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
So you have to heal, right?
Yes, and you're ready to dothis a second time.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
So I, when I was ready to do it a second time
like part of the spiel I wasgiven, I'm going to call it a
second time.
Like part of part of the spielI was given, I'm gonna call it a
spiel um was that they have hadsurrogates before, but if the
first transfer didn't take, noneof the surrogates wanted to do
a second one oh, this came out.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
This came out after the DNC.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Uh-huh why?
Out of curiosity, becausetandem journeys are not uncommon
.
These days.
So at any point where they'relike yeah, we're thinking about
doing a tandem journey, that'slike two surrogates at one time
Did they ever say that.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Nope, okay, never once.
But they did offer up theinformation that we've had
before the transfer.
The first transfer didn't work.
The surrogates chose to notcontinue on.
Did I paraphrase it right?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
okay, yes, and never did they actually mention that
any of the surrogates that theyhad before actually had children
like live births.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, it made it sound like all of their all
of their tries were negatives ohinteresting, a huge red flag
because, like, even if I don'tknow, even even not knowing
right at this point, you're, youhave no idea what's going on
over there.
Even just hearing like, oh,you've had how, like, how many
surrogates you said surrogates,they said surrogates plural and

(27:06):
indicating that every transferthey've had has failed, that to
me is just like, oh my gosh,even if I do this again, is that
going to take?
But did you ask how many?

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Did you ask how many?
I did not.
Okay, it's okay, mom, I thinkonly you would ask how many.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
My friend knocked me in the back of the head at that
point she's like you should haveasked oh my God.
That's pertinent informationyou should have asked.
I'm like I think my emotionswere on a little roll.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Your head wasn't there.
Yeah, you just went throughthis emotional roller coaster.
Your head's not there.
I don't think my head wouldhave been there.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
No, no, I'm just listening to the story going oh,
how many?
Yeah, okay, wow, okay.
And you've had to go again.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Uh, so, yes, I did agree to go again.
Um, uh, hrc's policy was towait, uh, three months before
you could do anything, okay, andyou had to have, of course, a
period beforehand, right, okay.
So my first period hitbasically around December, okay,

(28:16):
and at the end of November Igot a text message from the
assistant saying, um, she nolonger works for Syl or for the
eyepiece, and that I'd have toreach out to the intended mother
to see who my new point ofcontact would be.

(28:37):
Oh, okay, so I did.
I'm like, hey, I just wasinformed that this young lady is
no longer with you.
Who do I need to, you know,start talking to to basically
get scheduled with HRC?
And you know, start doing, youknow what we need to do for the

(28:58):
next trip?
And it took her a few days toget back to me with an answer.
And then she answered with thisother young lady's name and
gave me her number, okay, andsaid she'd be sending me an

(29:20):
email.
Okay, this email came fromFuture Spring surrogacy Future
spring.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Not Mark, Not Mark's.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Okay.
So, um, okay, I'm like okay,that's, that's weird, that is
weird, Really weird.
Um, not a real place, that isweird, that's really weird.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Go to real place.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah, look that up, yeah she's looking it up.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I'm just super curious.
Can I ask you, have you evermet one of the assistants?
Or like taught, like actuallyphysically spoken?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
to them.
They went to lunch when shecame out for the transfer.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
That Marks, that Marks girl, mm-hmm Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Mm-hmm, yep, that Mark's girl.
Okay, yep, and um, when I wasat my, when I did my transfer,
um in July, I did uh actuallyget to meet him.
Um, they came to the hotelafter transfer and brought me
flowers and and weight loss uh,not weight loss, but like

(30:23):
protein shake stuff.
And um, okay, um, gave me a, abracelet and an envelope.
What was in the envelope?
Uh, oh, my God, yep, uh, greenthings, uh several, several

(30:49):
green things really, oh, greenthings, yeah, yeah, and they
also handed my mother cash.
I'm sorry what they handed mymother cash oh no, I heard you,
that's why did that sound nod toyou or no?
Honestly, we tried to say no,thank you, of course.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Right, of course.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, Because I'm like you guys are already taking
care of everything for us, Likewe don't need this, and because
, of course, he's not speakingEnglish and she's like he'll
just get mad if you don't takeit.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Okay, that's the, that's the nice line, because
people take stuff when peoplesay the other person's going to
get mad.
Yeah, I would have taken it too.
Yep, yeah, I would have.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Did they ever explain what it was?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
for A thank you.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yes, exactly, they were like thank you, Like thank
you.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
You're doing this for them.
This is their way to thank you.
I know, I know, I know.
But if I'm in that position andthey provided that to me and
they said here he'll get mad ifyou don't take it, it's like an
insult, maybe in that culture, Idon't know, I would have taken

(32:03):
it.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I know, just knowing the story it all seems very
sketch.
So it's fine, okay, but I'mbreaking it apart because I know
I know, yeah, I would have, Iwould have taken it.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
No, I would I yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
If you're a hundred percent.
Yes, they seem like nice peopleat this moment.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yes, yes, it's like we don't know anything yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
They seem totally nice.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yes, honestly, we didn't know anything in December
.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
So do you transfer in December or is it?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
January I transferred for the second time in January.
In January, okay, where redflags, at least for me at this
point were starting to ariseOkay, at least for me at this

(32:55):
point were starting to arise iswe were okayed, you know, for
the date and of course you knowyou have to get checked out by
your monitoring clinic and makesure you know your numbers are
good right before you go and youknow flights aren't booked
until then.
And the one thing that really,really bothered me is because
this round I'm going by myself.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh, no, mom Okay.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Okay, yeah, no, mom.
Uh, unfortunately none of myfriends were able to to come
with me.
My husband had to stay and takecare of the kids.
My parents had to be a backupfor the kids, cause he's got
duty and everything else, soit's like it was all hands on
deck.
So I'm going by myself.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Um, okay, I asked about a rental car.
Um, to make sure you know, hey,are you guys booking it, or am
I booking it and you're you'repaying me back, type thing?
And they're like oh, um, wedon't know yet.
We're trying to get in touchwith your IM to see what she
would like to do.
It is literally three daysbeforehand and I finally get a

(33:53):
reply.
She would like someone to comeand pick you up from the airport
.
Like, okay, wait in California.
In California port like okaylike, who wait in california or

(34:14):
in in california?
Do you have a lot ofconnections in california?
I?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
have none, wait a minute I haven't.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I have no one in california.
Okay, um, okay.
And they were like they wantsylvia, with like one of her
friends, to come and pick you upfrom the airport and take you
to your hotel.
I'm like okay, and they're likeyou need to be careful because
he does not speak any English,so you're going to have to get a
translator app on your phone.
I see your hands.

(34:40):
That it is exactly how I wasfeeling.
I'm like not just no, but heck,no, yeah I'll take an uber.
Thank you so much right, I'mlike I, I will, I will take an
uber, uh, I will, I'll walk.
Uh la to pasadena is quite along distance for me.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Wow, that's weird.
How did?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
how did that play out ?
Did you respond that way, sayI'm not comfortable with that,
or I did Okay, good for you, uh.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I got a uh, because this was all done basically up
through that point, througheither text message or email,
Okay.
And then it's literally nineo'clock my time and I get a
phone call from the quoteunquote agency and they're like

(35:38):
well they, your your intendedmom really wants you know
somebody else to drive you.
It's so stressful to be drivingand it's just cheaper for
somebody to come and get you.
Blah, blah, blah.
Um, do you really want this tobe the reason they break match
with you?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
what?
Whoa?
This is sounding like you'regonna get kidnapped.
I'm just throwing it out there,like that's weird, like why
does somebody?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
oh, trust me.
Yeah, my mind automaticallygoes to the movie taken, and you
know all that yeah, I'vewatched too many crime shows so
I'm like, nope, you're gonna die.
Like that's when you're soloyeah, um, so the contact at the
agency, uh, finally was likewhat if I come and get you?
I'm like you know what?
That's fine, okay, you, that'sokay.

(36:28):
If sylvia wants to come get me,that's fine right, okay but I
hadn't.
I'm like I'm not writing withsome stranger for an hour you
can't communicate with also notwith a strange guy.
Like not that a girl wouldn'tdo crazy things either, but like
no a a guy and I I'm married,like, uh, like, um, yeah, it's

(36:54):
just weird, my husband wouldn't,is not going to go for that
yeah your husband would be okaywith you writing with a
gentleman that you can'tcommunicate with, that you've
never met before and he's nevermet before.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Oh my gosh no, no, exactly, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
So I'm like just blows my mind that they thought
that that would be okay, but allright, does it, though, does it
well, okay, if we put it incontext, I know so, like I
reached out to the attorney andI'm like this, what this is what
I'm being told, and he's like,nope, don't do anything you're
not comfortable with, don't, dodo not accept that.

(37:32):
Um, if they, if they breakcontract over this, at this
point, technically they're notallowed because you've already
started medicine.
Medicine, right, right, right.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
So like literally just a threat?
Yeah, intimidation and a threat, wow.
So who picks you up?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Um, I am actually at my airport, oh dark 30 in the
morning and no one has contactedme about who's picking me up,
basically, when I land.
So I'm like you know what If Ihe said?
My attorney said if you have tobook a car, we're going to

(38:14):
submit it for reimbursement.
If they don't pay it, thenwe're going to have issues.
So at that time in the morningat O'Dark City, I am booking the
car because, honestly, bookingthe car ended up being cheaper
than an Uber.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Wow, yeah Well it's.
La, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
I sent screenshots.
I'm like look, this is how muchan.
Uber will cost.
This is how much a Lyft willcost.
This is how much I'm paying forwith my military discounts.
This is how much I'm paying for, uh, with my military discounts
.
You know, you know, um, uh,this is how much I'm paying for
a car.
Right, I'm, I'm saving youmoney.
Yeah, my, my parents are sobusy, as what you guys keep
telling me.

(38:56):
Uh, I think this might be alittle easier than somebody
trying to get out to me.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Agreed and uh, basically I land in Cali, um get
, uh, it's five hours beforecheck-in at the hotel anyway,
cause it's a morning, okay, andI'm like I gotta kill, I gotta
kill all this time.
Yeah, well, good, you had a car, I'm glad I had a car.

(39:23):
Yeah, Well, good, you had a car, I'm glad I had a car.
Yeah, and of course it'sJanuary, it's around the middle
of January, so, unfortunately,pasadena is on fire.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Oh crap, Right, You're 100% right oh dang yeah,
we live here and did notcalculate that.
Oh yeah, I didn't evencalculate that in oh my god, I'm
scary yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
So it's like and that was that was part of my
questions, you know, leading upto it I'm like, yeah, I made
sure I talked to the clinic.
I'm like, are you guys, youknow, still doing transfers?
And they're like there's notreally anything around here.
Blah, blah, blah everything'sokay.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I know where they're located.
If they're still located in thesame spot and I think they are
so yeah they but still that's.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
People were evacuated from Pasadena.
I have.
I mean, and right next door toPasadena is Altadena, and that
was just obliterated.
So the stress level that mustbe in your head and in your body
, that must be in your head andin your body.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Oh, honestly, I was.
I was extremely stressed, andit was also the week of my son's
birthday.
Like, my son was turning threethat week.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
So, and I am he's got to know all this stress isn't
good for transfer.
Has to know that.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Well, that's what I'm like, yeah, at this point I'm
like, yeah, um, at this pointI'm like, okay, I'm already set
to do this because I'm onmedication, yeah, so, you go
through with it, this onedoesn't take.
I'm kind of like, yeah, we're,we're done, we're done.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Okay, that's fair that's yeah, totally I.
Probably I would have 100 donethe same thing.
Yeah, I'm already here.
Let's get the lift.
This takes great.
It's meant to be.
If not, nope, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Wow, Everything she did want me to say just as long
again but I already explainedthat at the beginning Cause I'm
like, look, I've got to be homefor my son's birthday.
Good.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Sure how long did you um?
So transfer was monday.
I flew out on thursday.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Oh my gosh, you're fine, you're super nice to stay
that long, exactly yeah.
Yeah, the clinic was like youcan go home thursday, you could
go home wednesday, but yeah, we,we know this mother, she's
picky, so we'll see.
You can go home Thursday, okayinteresting.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, we know this, mother.
Wow, okay, uh, huh okay yeah,it's this.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Ever since you said HRC, pasadena.
No shade towards them.
I used them, um, but my headjust keeps going.
I've used hrc for two of mythree journeys and I'm just like
did y'all not have any inklingsof this couple?

Speaker 4 (42:12):
like none whatsoever, like it's just maybe they were
used in different differentfertility, but they just said
but they just said you know thismother like you know her.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
I don't know, okay anyways, we're going on, so you
go home, so I go home, I do mymy son's birthday, you know, I
decorate and then I sit there.
I'm still trying to be good andnot you know overdo it myself,
yeah yeah, um, but yeah, uh,things go, things go as planned.

(42:43):
Like, okay, february, februaryhits and uh, if we of course all
the appointments that I need to, and baby girl is growing
perfectly, aww, we reachheartburn.
We reach a blood test, and thenheartburn, heartburn, heart
rate confirmation andeverything's good.

(43:04):
Communication is still touchand go, okay, okay, which it had
honestly been a little touchand go from the start because of
how busy they are.
As I was instructed that theyare busy, they'll try and get
back to me when, as soon as theycan, but but I have a question.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Busy, what Busy work.
That's what I want to say.
Did they ever tell you?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
what they were involved with.
Yeah, busy work With what?
Did they ever tell you whatthey did?

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I never got really what he did.
At one point I thought shecalled him a doctor.
Oh, but, she did likefinancials and real estate.
Okay, so apparently real estatein California is extremely
lucrative and extremely busycompared to, I guess, to my area

(43:56):
, which, okay, yeah, I guess youknow.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I mean, it depends who is Buyer's market or
seller's market and who sherepresents.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
It depends on your connections as well.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
But yeah, but okay, huh.
Okay, Well, that was an answerthere, all right, I probably
would have bought that too, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, um.
So like I just rolled with itand I'm like, well, it's kind of
communication has kind ofalways been touch and go, you
know.
So I kind of expected that shesent gifts for go, you know.
So I kind of expected that shesent gifts for for Christmas.
She sent gifts for birthdaysfor like my kids and stuff like
that, and I'm I'm like I didn'tknow that was normal, but that's

(44:36):
, that's normal yeah that.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Yeah, okay, I've had numerous.
They do that.
Yeah, it's a nice gesturebecause the family is a part of
it.
Yeah, it's, it's nice.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, that was part of the thing.
You know like I wanted to be.
You know, a part of the familyafterwards maybe not a
helicopter parent, you know.
I want to know what's going onnow, but occasional, you know,
updates, yeah for sure.
So, like I didn't mind herasking about updates for mine
and stuff like that, and I'dsend pictures, and we do

(45:06):
Mother's Day, my husbandactually drew on the stomach and
wrote Happy Mother's Day and Isent, and I sent that to her and
I didn't hear anything.
So that's in May, yeah, okay,yep, no-transcript, I know you,

(45:42):
probably you may not celebrateit, but this is what we did.
And I did get a.
Oh, that's cute, but that's it,okay.
And that was April.
Yeah, may, we did the Mother'sDay.
I wished a happy Father's Dayin June, okay, but June is when

(46:06):
the big ball dropped for me,okay, okay, june 10th was a
Tuesday, okay, oh gosh, we knowthat I just got the goosebumps.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Why I?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
don't even know.
I know these dates by heart.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I think it's how she said it.
You just said that date.
I'm like, oh my God, okay.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, yeah, june, june 10th, and of course we all
tap into Facebook and we readyou know the surrogate safe pace
group and, um, you know thecompensation pages and you know
all that fun stuff.
Well, of course I'm.
I'm scrolling one night myhusband's in the shower, my kids
are getting ready and they'refinishing up their ice cream to
go to bed, yeah, and I start, Iscroll through, I'm like I

(46:55):
started reading this post andI'm like, wait a minute.
Oh, it names the agencies, um,the, and it names the first
initials of the im and the ip,and it is an extremely close

(47:15):
story to my own like anothersurrogate, posted this yes, like
she was looking for a match.
No, like this is her like thisis her story, her story, oh, oh
okay, and it and it was.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
When you say similar to yours, you mean like, like,
like, how?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
um, some of the medical bills were having issues
being paid.
Okay, um, naming of not onlyone of the agencies but both, uh
, then the initials of myintended parents, like it,
started to like make me shake.
I was getting so upset andworried, right, I had to keep

(48:05):
myself calm and I commented hey,would you mind if I, if I
messaged you?
Okay, the young lady repliedback.
Sure, so I did like hey, um,you said I could message you.
Is there any chance that youever had any communication with
this first initial name?
and she came back immediatelywith the, the correct name wow

(48:27):
so already at that point I'mlike, oh my god, okay, we're
linked.
Yeah, in this post shementioned the parents were
arrested in june.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
This happened in june .

Speaker 3 (48:43):
This is when I found out.
In June.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
In.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
June and she commented about how DCFS, which
is Department of Children'sServices in California, it's
called CPS here, but yeah.
Now protective services.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Yep 21 children away from thiscouple and um.

(49:16):
So she was in contact withauthorities because one of her
children was the children thatwere taken because she had
already given birth, so one ofthe one was the children that
were taken because she hadalready given birth.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
So one of the one of the children that was taken was
the was the surrogate babe.
She delivered.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Okay.
Yes, Um and do you know, I'msorry, do you know how she found
all this out?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
She, um.
I think she actually startedfollowing another one of the
girls who was apparently also asurrogate earlier last year,
okay, who also gave birth andthey had a surrogate baby of
hers.
Oh my gosh, um.
So she, uh, gosh, um, so she,uh.

(50:20):
Basically, she's like call, seeif you can talk to somebody at
dcfs.
Unfortunately, I'm.
I'm calling.
Nobody knows what the heck I'mtalking about.
Yeah, um, and I'm like okay, Itried, nobody knows what I'm
talking, what I'm talking about.
She's like here, try thisnumber, explain who you are and
who gave you the number.
And it ended up being a lawenforcement, uh, personnel.

(50:41):
Yeah.
And this personnel was extremelynice and calming and tried to
get me to calm down.
Yeah, it's just unraveling.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Oh my God, when you're pregnant.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, unfortunately, it's likeyeah, everything is starting to
go very, very hazy for me atthis point.
Yeah, um, this point, um, andshe's like okay, um, I stay calm

(51:16):
, don't freak out.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Your health is important.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
You know the normal run, and I'm like, okay, well,
my husband finally comes out ofthe shower and I'm like this is
what's going on.
He's like, okay, so we can't doanything at our time in the
middle of the night.
We can't.
So tomorrow, you know, startmaking phone calls, call your

(51:37):
attorney, call and talk to thisagent again or this law
enforcement person again and seewhat you can come up with.
And I did.
Friday the 13th was also thatthat month.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Lovely.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
And I'm over here calling TRICARE and I'm like,
okay, this is my situation.
Yeah, cause I've already goneto the.
Oh my God, what if my healthinsurance cancels?
Right, how can I pay for thedoctor's appointments, the birth
, you know all of the fun stuff?
Right, if health insurancecancels?

Speaker 4 (52:12):
yeah, and I'm like they're not there to make the
payments no, but is there not anescrow?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
there is an escrow.
Yes, yes, should tech?

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I mean california.
It has to be filled to acertain extent with things.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
In the contract it says it.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
However, I can't see how much is actually in the
escrow.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
I was not given that permission.
Right, yeah, for sure I don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, I don't know you don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, taking all precautions For sure, for sure,
for sure, okay.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
So, yeah, know, you don't know.
Yeah, taking all precautionsfor sure, for sure, for sure,
okay, um so, um, yeah, I'mcalling TRICARE.
I'm like, look, if this happens, what can I do?
Yeah, and they're like, oh,this is, this is a fun.
Friday the 13th.
We, we've never heard of thisbefore.
What are we gonna do?
which is basically the answerthat every person that I have
spoken to has has said like thishas never happened before, like

(53:12):
we've never had to face this.
We have no answers, and this isliterally what I have been
getting and the other surrogateswho are still pregnant are
getting, because it's more.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
It's more than just you right, it's more than just
one.
Do you know how many roughlyare there under 10?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Um so uh, according to one of the attorneys that I
have spoken to, I'm not going totell who she is either- yeah,
no, for sure no.
Um, uh, they said that thereare possibly at least 10
surrogates still pregnant atleast 10 at least and that was

(53:56):
um at the end of july.
What?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
what's gonna happen to these babies?
What's gonna happen to you guyslike, Like this is emotional.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
This is Good question .
We have no idea.
The parents aren't supposed tohave any contact with children.
Well, yeah, good, theyshouldn't?
The initial cause of thechildren being taken out of the
home was the two-month-old beingtaken to the hospital.

(54:30):
A two-month-old being taken tothe hospital, a two-month-old
and honestly, ladies, you can godown the rabbit hole
researching all of the newsstories on this, like I.
I don't even have to share toomuch because you don't know it's
, I just didn't know it was thetwo-month-old.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
That baby was shaken right yeah by the nanny yes.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Yeah, and they actually released a video of the
situation.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
No, yeah, they did.
I saw that, I know.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It's not for the light of heart.
Let's just put it that way, ohmy God.
Stop.
It's not for the light of heart.
Let's just put it that way, ohmy god.
Um, so they had, of course, the21 children taken out.
We have been told that they'reunder.
Uh, they were arrested.
They were released on bond.
Um, there are three possiblecharges against them, but, of

(55:30):
course, innocent until provenguilty.
Yeah, and until then, uh,there's really nothing that can
be done or said, because theytechnically haven't broken
contract, they haven't breachedcontract.
But one of the things that Iactually keep going back to is

(55:55):
like, actually, I feel like theyhave, because it's come out
that they've owned the agencies,both of them.
I knew they owned them.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, interesting.
I looked up Future Spring and Icannot pull it up Like it's
there, but the website it saysSafari cannot connect and I was
like thank you Own both of them,okay.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
So, yeah, I feel like that.
Yeah, that is breach ofcontract, because you're coming
in under false pretenses.
You're not, you're not.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
You're not, you're not, you're not with an agency.
You never signed with an agency.
Yeah, they were basically theagency for themselves.
Yeah, so yeah, but no one iscoming forward and saying you
have a fraudulent contract.
No one is saying it.
Surrogacy attorneys aren'tsaying it, regular attorneys

(56:51):
aren't saying it.
Like we cannot find a singleperson to help us.
Like it's, it's literallyyou're trying to get water out
of uh, out of a rock.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Okay, Because if, if it comes to head that the
contract they're in breach ofcontract, have legal counsel
told you all and you releasewhat you can release that now
these children you're carryingare no longer binded by that

(57:28):
contract.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
No one has said one way or the other.
Okay, because no one willanswer anything about the
contract or about the breach oranything.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Definitely something else going on, then they keep
going back to.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
They have not been convicted, right, you can't do
something you know, convicted.
Right, you can't.
You can't do something unlessif they're convicted they're not
answering questions about thecontracts Like it's.
It's a big old messed up circleand um.
The only thing we can do to tryand protect ourselves is to

(58:09):
most child protective servicesagencies are what I was told are
reactive, not proactive.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah, you're right.
They won't do anything untilthe baby is born.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Right.
So what will happen when thatbaby is born?
If they, if the parent, if the,if these IPs technically well,
if they're ordered to not bearound children where, where's
the baby's gonna go?
I know that there's a girl outthere that she's trying to get
custody of the baby that shethat that was taken.
I know that that's one which Imean.

(58:42):
Bless her heart, like that's.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
That's a lot she's spearheaded a lot of this and I
do know her.
I speak to her.
Okay, she is trying to take onso much.
She is a strong woman.
Yeah, that's a lot, butunfortunately for the rest of us

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who haven't given birth yet.
Unfortunately for the rest ofus who haven't given birth yet,
the only thing that they cantell us is CPS is going to have
to become involved and it's upto the state as to what they
decide to do with the child.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Especially in California.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
But wait a minute, you're not coming out here to

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birth, right?
Nope, okay, okay, becausetypically what happens with CPS
and I don't know a ton I justhad a friend who's a social
worker Children are really wardsof the state, like they can
come and take them from uswhenever they want to, if they
can prove that we are beingnegligent or abusive or what
have you.
If there's, if there's acircumstance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
But this is just so different, obviously, and that
doesn't even seem like the wordoutrageous babies born, nobody's
there to receive baby Baby justgoes into foster care like
that's where my question comesin, because in my contracts, you
know, knock on wood, ifanything had happened to my ips
or my current ip, they have toname a next of kin like a
guardian, like a, an emergencycontact no, but like, no, but
like somebody who literallytakes over parentage.

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If something happens to my IP,that's usually death.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
So the number to the backup person is actually the
IM's new phone number.
No Stop, nope, dead, serious.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I wonder who their lawyer is, because that seems a
little.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Shaky, wow yeah, oh wow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
All right.
So really seriously, how areyou doing?
This is a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Let's just say my due date is actually several days
before my birthday.
Oh my gosh, I cannot wait formy birthday.
I don't blame you.
I already have a spot at aMexican restaurant with a very
large jumbo margarita.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Go girl.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yes, ordered and ready to go like.
Oh my gosh, um my, my stresslevel is uh.
Unfortunately, now I'mmedicated.
It's a low dose, but like I washaving panic attacks, like I
was not being able toconcentrate at work.
Um my, my sleep is not exactlyright, kosher, and I still have

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to keep up with your job.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
My full-time family, uh being a mom, being a wife,
being a daughter, mom be a wife,be a daughter, be, be you know,
cook clean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yeah, I still have to be there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
I have to be present.
Is escrow still paying youmonthly?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
That has been the up in the air.
Worry, honestly, every month Iam reimbursed, every month on
the first Okay, I did get thefirst payment, or the payment on
the first for this month.
Um, my reimbursements, on theother hand, since none of the
emails are working for future,or Mark surrogacy, uh, none of

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my reimbursements for, like theside medical, like the
therapists, the co-pays, none ofthat's being covered.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
You can't?
Ooh, Okay, Hold on question.
I've never done an independentor an independent journey.
If I were to be going to atherapist or you know co-pays
and things like that.
In my escrow there is a dropdown for where I asked to get
reimbursed and then.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
So my escrow did not have that like.
Everything put through escrowwas done by the assistant, which
I now have just assumed.
The assistant actually workedfor the agency, right, right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
That makes sense.
I reached out Like I try to bea little sneaky, Because the
intended mother has been textingmore recently trying to find
attorneys that are willing towork with us to do a post birth

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order and no one.
Like she's not liking theanswer she's getting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah, trying to get custody of these babies.
Uh huh, no, no, no, no, no,you're kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Nope, nope, dead, serious.
Uh, she's trying to findsomebody to help her, and I
guess she wants to find somebodywho doesn't know anything about
this.
Oh, good luck honey Good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Because, even if they don't know about it, you're
going to say something theminute you get talking to this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Attorney, give me a like I I have personally spoken
to four surrogacy attorneys inin my state so, and I think
there are maybe six and theyalready did.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
They already know about it.
Did they already know about it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
the.
The first two did not.
Oh sure that was early on.
That was that was early on.
The second two did yeah, so I'mgonna guess the other two know
now, right, oh, everyone in thecommunity knows about this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
You have to be living on a rock not to know about it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Yeah, oh yeah, because it's out everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
It's on tiktok facebook uh, I don't know if
it's on the news where you guyswhere, where you live, but it's
on the news where you guys where, where you live, but it's on
the news where we live.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
It's, oh, no, it definitely hit me too, and okay,
yeah, no, it's, it's definitelyhit, it hit um it hit.
The week after I told myparents because I was trying to
figure out the best way to breakthis to my family, because gosh
, yeah, what?

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
I don't even know if I we can cut it out.
If you don't want to answer itor if you don't want me to ask
it.
What does happen when you go togive birth?
That baby's just going to go toa nursery or is there something
in play?
I know, I know attorneys won'tdeal with it.
I know child protectionservices will probably be there.

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Well, how are?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
they going to be there.
I have to call.
Well, I've already my doctorsknow.
So, that's that my doctors doknow.
They're like we're.
We've actually put your funlittle uh letter that I did
receive from law enforcement inmy file, and my doctor is like
we've put so many flags on your,your file and we'll, when we

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start creating your plan,basically in the next two weeks
at 36 weeks appointment.
Yeah, we're gonna start workingwith the, because the doctors
work with the hospital.
Um, um, they're going to likethey're going to try and get me
in touch with the nursingdepartment, the security
department, hopefully a fewother departments, so we will be

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under lock and key.
No one can get in.
Good, yeah, um.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
I do have one more follow-up.
Um, okay, do we know, or doesanyone know, if this baby is
biologically connected to them,or are they donor eggs?

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
It's supposed to be intended father's sperm, but not
but not intended mother's eggs.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Right, because she's older she's desperately trying
to get custody.
Okay, okay, that's interesting,she needs father.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Father is older than mother.
Yeah, yeah, um, oh, my god, uhcps, oh yeah cps.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Oh yeah, CPS, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Well, if I can't call them, basically on my way in
the hospital said they will goahead and call them.
Use their representatives thatthey have on premises.
Yeah, they have social workers.
I'll protect the baby and wewill have a plan-ish with what

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might happen to babe after.
Yeah, my thing is is okay, Ilove my two.
Yeah, my husband actually, henow wants another one.
I'm like you do realize thatmay not be a possibility at all
because once, once we start that.
When I told you we were goingto do this, or you know, when we

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talked about it I said you kindof have to be done, and he's
like I'm okay with that.
Now he's getting all the happydaddy feels and he sees how my
daughter is, you know, playingwith the baby in the belly and
talking to it.
And my little terrorist son,you know, is now starting to
love and play with the baby inthe belly and talking to it.
And my little terrorist son,you know, is now starting to
love and play with the baby inthe tummy and he's like, you

(01:08:34):
know, it might be okay to haveanother.
I'm like I don't know if Ireally want to do it again, but
we'll have.
We'll cross that bridge when weget there.
Yeah, he's okay if the babyends up coming home with us, if
that is an option.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Really Well, like adopting the baby.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Adopting the baby.
Are you okay with that?
I float back and forth, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Sure, you didn't go into this with that mindset of
taking home a baby.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
That's been one of the things like has been drilled
into us as surrogates, correct,not?

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
get attached.
Right, it's not your baby no,it's not my baby.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Like there is nothing of this child that's mine,
right?
It's like uh, I am, I am paleladies, like like I.
I might live at the beach, butI do not look like it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Would you foster if they offered that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
If they offered it, I might consider it.
But my thing is is I know in myheart, as soon as something, it
doesn't matter if it's a cat, adog, a baby, a rooster, a
hamster.
It does not matter.
If it comes into my house, it'syours, it's mine, I know I
hamster.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
It does not matter If it comes into my house it's
yours, it's mine, I'm connected,it ain't leaving, right, yeah,
cause that might even be moredifficult to do it that way and
have to give it up A hundredpercent, especially with the
littles and they're going,they're going, they're seeing
mommy, like you know and then,

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
they get a baby yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
That's tough.
They're attached.
Yeah, that's tough.
And if this plays out in court,which you know, this is going
to go to court for a long timeand nothing's going to get
resolved for years and there'sgoing to.
The collateral damage is allthese newborns that are coming
in here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
That's so sad.
It's so sad and like the the.
The crazy part is is ladies.
They took 21 children out ofthis house.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
No, it's wild.
I wanted to get to that.
I wanted to ask you, do you doyou?
You're in contact with a couplemore girls in like similar
situations and things like that.
So I'm curious do you all viewit the same as what social media
is kind of putting out there asthe fact of like it's sex
trafficking?

(01:10:48):
Like is that?
Is that where all of your headsare?

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
so it really at first , when it was first brought up
to some of us, yeah, traffickingwas honestly at the top of at
least my my list, likecompletely honest.
Yeah, because I love my rosecolored glasses, I love my

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disney, I love paint things allpretty, and you know, nothing
touches me in this, thishappy-go-lucky world, right,
well, I kind of got bitchslapped with this one for sure?

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
no for sure, I don't know if you have to block that
out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
but yeah, the thing from my family has been out of
all of these scenarios we'vethought of in connection with
you and doing this, thissituation never even came close
to our bingo card.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
I don't think it came close to anybody's imagination
period like how do they keep itunder wraps for so long?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
is what's amazing to me yeah, because I'm assuming
all 21 of these kids are throughsurrogacy so when I actually
went in january, I had dinnerwith the intended mother before
I was leaving and she broughther daughter.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Did you know she had a daughter?
I thought they said they had ason.
Nope.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Hello, how old was the daughter?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
She's a teenager, that's the old one, that's the
older one, the 13 or something,13 or 15.
I can't I forget the age 13.
13.
Okay, so here 15.
I can't I forget the age 13.
13, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
So here I am like okay, thought you just had a son
, didn't really know you had adaughter.
But I spent most of the eveningat dinner talking to the
daughter, who never oncementioned any siblings.
Oh my God.
We talked about school.
We talked about how the fireswere affecting her and her

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friends, like what she liked todo in her free time, and never
once did she bring up having anyother siblings, any other
family, like nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Not even that brother that was initially yeah, nope
whoa so like well coached.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Some people were well coached in this.
Oh, oh, oh yeah, big time.
The assistants was 30 what theywere coached yep, so I just go
to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I just go to Olivia Benson and I'm like, was she
timid?
Was she looking off like youknow?
Like I'm like I like going tomy Olivia Benson mode and I'm
like how is this 13 year oldreacting?
Which way is she looking like?
How are her fingers?
Like crazy she kept.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
She kept eye contact with me, she was eating like she
talked, she laughed, shegiggled and, unfortunately, my
intended mother is sitting onthe other side of me playing on
her phone the whole time.
Wow, or working.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
It makes me think that this isn't the first time
that scenario played out 100%.
She's been to other meetingswith other surrogates and has
done her job.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Yeah, or else she wouldn't be and has done her job
.
Yeah, yeah, or else shewouldn't be trusted to go out
again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Correct, that's really sad to think about when
you put it like that Trusted togo out again Like this girl.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
That's abuse on that child.
Sorry, that is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Oh, there's abuse on all of them.
I'm sure that Arnie that's noteven seen.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Yeah, oh my, yeah, oh my god, like I don't, I, I, how
can we help you?
Like I, I I have just, I'm likemy whole head is spinning.
And if my head is spinning andI'm not even a part of this, I
can't even imagine what you'regoing through.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
I can't like yeah, like honestly, ladies, it's,
it's serious, it's a literalroller coaster every day.
Like my therapist has said, youknow, schedule a certain time
when you get in your chat withyour other young ladies who are
dealing with this, becauseseveral of us do talk to each

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other.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
As you should.
We need each other.
We do.
We really do need each other.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I'm going to be straight up honest, but she's
like take a certain amount oftime.
Don't try and do this all day,don't you know?
Don't focus on it.
Work on your breathing.
Good advice Take your medicine.
Yeah, I'm over here like oh,can I just take a bottle?

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Oh, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
I get it, but at the same time, like I do, I look
down and I'm I'm not small, butI'm not huge.
I was bigger with my sonactually, um, and I'm like this
is not her fault.
I can't, I can't take this outand my stress level, even though
it is, it is up there, uh outon on this little life.

(01:15:52):
So, like I'm trying to takecare of myself, like I'm trying
to exercise, I'm trying to, toyou know, work and do all my
normal necessary stuff, but atthe same time, like I do have my
freak out moments like oh, yeah, yeah, with these, these bills
that haven't been done throughescrow, like I'm like I guess

(01:16:17):
I'm using my base comp for that,but if I have to pay for a
hotel, a hospital, I would hopeto God the hospital would comp
the birth If.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
if something's not going to happen with that, I
feel like something has tohappen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Like attorneys will have to come up with something.
Like there's just this is toomuch on you.
Like you guys don't have thiskind of money.
Like it's just surrogates.
Don't get into this to pay forall of no offense.
Anybody who's listening andmight be taking my words out of
proportion.
But like I don't sign up to bea surrogate to pay for all the

(01:16:53):
medical bills.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Are you out of your mind like, if that's the case,
then I'll have my own baby?
Like I, I did this for mybabies so I could start, you
know, a little bit of a savingsaccount you know exactly exactly
I mentioned, I'm a.
I'm a disney freak, you know,for at the end of the year
you're around, you know, afterbirth or whatever was like,
maybe we can go to Florida for afew days.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
You deserve that, dear God, you deserve that and
visit Mickey Mouse, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Yeah, for real.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I'm like I don't know if the funds are going to be
there or not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
I have to hire an attorney to help protect the
baby, or if I have to pay formedical bills.
It's like it's it's a lot solike no one is telling you guys
anything.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
This seems so weird.
Like there's no help beinggiven to you guys like pro bono
and things like that.
Like there's enough people inthis surrogacy world that take
on things pro bono because ofcrazy cases.
This is by far probably thecraziest case I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I've heard of.
So the, the attorney that I didspeak to, who has speaking to
me here and there when she can,because she is one of very few
and extremely, extremely wellbooked up.
Um, she did say she'll take alook at everything pro bono, but
at the same time she's stilllike if it gets too involved, we

(01:18:13):
will have to start not lookingat the pro bono side Right,
which I don't know how muchthat's going to put me back, and
, like I don't know about youguys, I have saved.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
It's not to use the medical yeah Portion of no.
It's not meant like I don'tknow about you guys, I have
saved a portion of my-.
No, that's not meant to gotowards legal fees that were
never supposed to happen in thefirst place, like a general
GoFundMe needs to happen for allof you who are in this boat.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Well, I know one young lady has started her own.
That's the young lady who isfighting for custody.
Okay, I have also created myown, okay, yay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Plug it.
Plug it.
Where Well do you want to plugit?
Oh, that's right.
And that gives her identity,mom, that's right, sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Well, I've, actually I've made it, so it's kind of
just my initials as theorganizer.
Okay, so it doesn't.
I do have my first name in thestory, but I don't try an

(01:19:20):
initial like there are no actualpictures of me other than like
of my, my neck down Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
That's up to you.
You can plug away if you wantto.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
So, yeah, I can, I can send you guys that, or you,
you know yeah, I can.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
I can put it in the show note.
So if you're listening and youwould like to help and you would
like to have what is it?
Is it for, like, fees that aregoing to be accruing?

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
basically it's.
It's basically it's for fees,it's for you know, any any extra
medical that I mightunfortunately run into or incur.
Yeah, yeah, gosh, yeah, had itwritten down.
I don't know where my paperwent.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
You're okay.
You're okay, you can just sendit and people can just look in
the show notes.
Actually, you might have sentit to me in an email.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
I don't know if I did or not.
I think I asked about it, but Idon't think I sent you the
actual link to it.
But I think I asked about it,but I don't think I sent you the
actual link to it, but it'ssomething along the lines of
fighting to save this littlelife.
It's, you know, and honestlyI'm of the.
I'll even just take freakingprayers Because at this point,

(01:20:25):
blessings, well wishes, prayers,yes, sense strength, because
that's honestly what all of usneed.
Yes, money would help in thelong run if we have to fight for
right, whatever reason, but atthe same time, like, yeah, it's,

(01:20:47):
it's definitely.
Oh my gosh, it's a.
It's a very interestingsituation and it is boggling.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
It is called fighting for an innocent life there you
go there you go.
So that's the gofundme, and,but I will put that in um in the
show notes.
Oh yes, okay, it just has yourinitials yeah, perfect um, I, I
hope somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
I mean, we reach people.
We, you know, we're not huge,but we do reach people and so
maybe somebody will hear thisand somebody will come and as a
collective fight for you guyslike and honestly like I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
That's why I wanted to talk to you guys too is
because I know you have a verywidespread reach.
We do so if anybody I'd like.
I'm open for anyone's advice atthis point too, because we're
not we are.
We're hitting a brick wall.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Yeah, that's a lot of people.
No one was prepared for this,so everyone's kind of just like
what do we do, what do we do,what do we do, what do we do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Like what's going?
What do we have?
Let me push it over here.
Let me let children's servicesget involved after the fact, no,
let's have a plan for theselittle babies.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Things when it does happen, yeah, yeah, and like
okay, I, you never, you neverhear about the groundbreakers
who have to go through thissituation.
No, they never get the creditand I'm going to tell you right
now, it is seriously sucking tobe a groundbreaker right, I

(01:22:14):
can't even imagine.
I can't, I, I want you want tosee change, but at the same time
, it's not going to be fast.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
No, it's going to take time.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
And you're on a deadline and when you're 34
weeks pregnant, um baby's comingyou're kind of on a deadline.
Yeah exactly, yeah, a shortdeadline and and here's the
trickle effect these babies okay, so they go into the system.
I I'm not happy saying that,but are they bounced from foster
house to foster?
Like?

(01:22:47):
What does that set their livesup for?
They didn't ask for this, theydidn't ask for it.
Right, like okay.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
If there's, if they're leaving it up to the
state and the state decides okay, instead of putting it in
foster and waiting for a resultthat may be three to five years
in the making, we're just goingto go ahead and put her.
Put the children up foradoption.
Okay, I hate to say it, it'sgoing to sound horrible.

(01:23:16):
Babies get adopted instantly.
Oh, no for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Yeah, no, it's great, no, but that's that is the
scene.
That's where it gets sadbecause, like the 13 year old
that was taken you know thatwould, that was taken from the
house.
It's like, okay, well, likewhat's going to happen with her
and I don't know, I don't knowthe age ranges.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
but what I mean is like 13 years, I know, but what
I'm saying is babies do tend tobe able to be adopted very
easily, very quickly, whereas a13 year old that it's hard to
take on a teenager Right, givethem a fighting chance.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
Let these babies, hopefully.
But I just think that the IM isgoing to put up walls and put
up or the IP and just you know,injunction after injunction.
No, they can't be adoptedbecause this isn't settled yet.
Biologically they belong toright, uh-huh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
And that's where, like, if you can come in back to
, back to the contract, if youcan go back to the valid, the
validity of the contract andfraud.
That's another level where,okay, at least in my state, you
can go to court for a lot lessum timeframe wise on fraud and

(01:24:32):
if they're already underinvestigation for other child
related issues.
My state is harsh, yeah, mystate will.
Hopefully, I've, of course,never had to deal with this
before.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Hopefully, hopefully, they'll be like no, and it
takes three to five years.
That is interesting.
I wonder how that's going tohappen, because obviously so.
They live here, they live inCali and there's a lot going on
in Cali and the kids were takenfrom a Cali home, but there are
babies that are going to be bornin different states.
Does this now jump to differentstates?

(01:25:09):
This is where it gets even moresticky and more just like
complex, because it's like wait,how many states are we talking
about?
And they're all different, likethey're all different laws.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Yes, what's going on that?

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
birth certificate.
When babies are born, theperson who gives birth is
considered the birth mother,until the birth order is posted
Yikes.
So like and if she's not theintended mom, her name can't go

(01:25:45):
on it without his.
Um, her name can't go on itwithout his.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
So if that's the case like, I'm sorry and I'm not a
lawyer, but I'm just looking athow to get from one point to the
other If, if your name goes onthe birth certificate and you're
quote, unquote the legal motherbecause you gave birth, are you
allowed to put the baby up foradoption?

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Yeah, depending on what is decided by cps right
interesting, that's reallyinteresting I think things are
gonna have to start happening inorder for decisions to actually
have to like force the hand tobe made.
Like people are just like, well, let's wait to.
And it's not like dissing them.
It's just like because nobodyknows what to do.
And it's like, well, we'llfigure it out when it happens.

(01:26:28):
And it's like that's not great,but you can play the scenario
out.
Of course, you will be me, andyou can, but who knows what else
is going?

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
on if they put the birth certificate comes down
with so and so and so and so onit, because that's how that
state deals with it.
Until post-birth judgment.
Right, I'm not a lawyer, Idon't know me neither, but it's
stuff to think about.
I don't know why they're nottwirling it around in their
heads, going you know what heyany lawyers listening?

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
I would love to know your opinions, yeah yeah, no,
for sure, yeah, yeah post-birthjudgment's gonna come down on
that, and and and they havethree or four days after the
birth of the baby to do thepost-birth order um it but it

(01:27:15):
like I don't think any lawyer isgoing to give them that
post-birth order and I honestly,if they do, I'm hoping if it
goes in front of a judge I canbe like, uh, this is what's
going on yeah oh my god, no, youcan definitely, you can
definitely say something likeyeah oh, and I, I honestly I

(01:27:37):
plan to.
I may not, okay, I may not betaking this baby home.
Yeah, but at this point, evenwith a little bit of suspicion,
okay, you've got 21 kids.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
That's wild.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
And at least 10.
Expecting.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
That takes your brand .

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Oh my God, that's like 31 children, almost three
dozen kids.
Yowza, you have a sports team,oh my God.
You have a football team,Jiminy Crickets offense and
defense.
What?

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
are you going to do with all these kids?
I'm going gonna pull this card.
Okay, they're asian, they'resmall, they cannot be offensive
and linebackers oh, no, no, nofor sure, but like it's just it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
But it's, what are you doing with all these kids?
Where are you getting all yourmoney?
There was that's my thing.
There was 21 found in the home.
How many had already left thehome before they got there?
Like how do you know what Imean?
Kept them all.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Okay, so where.
Where my thing comes in isthere's also another uh, uh news
article out there that theintended father used to work for
the communist party in china.
Um, we, I'm going to put myfoot in my mouth and say that
may be where the money is comingfrom.

(01:29:04):
But even if you take just thenumber 10, multiply it by a low
first timer balance of 50.
Yeah, that's $500.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
But, and that's not even that's, that's just, that's
just your, that's just yourbase, that's just your base.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
That's not the insurance, that's not the embryo
, that's not the transfers,that's not the flights, that's
so you're a good couple.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I would say a couple mil, I would say two mil.
I mean it has to be just 50grand is where's, where's?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
where's it?
Where's it coming from?

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Yeah, yeah Right, where's it coming from, like, oh
my God, I watched too much.
I watched too much true crime.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
But the credit card didn't go through when there was
a procedure being done.
That's weird, right Like wait.
But then it came back laterthat day, right, yeah, well,
they put money in.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
They put money in escrow.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
They literally put cash in escrow and then she was
able to get it, but the creditcard didn't work.
Yep, so we're maxing them out,okay, interesting.
I could talk for hours aboutthis.
This is insane.
I know it's late where you are,I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
It's all good and honestly I can.
I can do update again later on.
You know that would be there.
There are people who actuallyare vested at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Yeah, they are, you know, and people are just like
how did like?
How do we help?
What do we do?
Oh my gosh, there's like people.
I think at first, a lot of uswere just like, huh, like I
think I was definitely the onethat was like are you effing
kidding me?
Another negative story onsurrogacy?
I'm gonna go and use your wordbitch slap like somebody else,

(01:30:42):
because this isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
come on now there's so many good stories, we're also
getting like oh well, you guys,this, you didn't do your
research, right, right, and wedon't believe you.
But okay, I'm sorry, Iresearched for a year, ladies.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
And your story, the way that you were explaining
everything.
We've said it multiple timesduring it.
There was not enough red flagsbeing raised in the beginning.
I wouldn't have dug too deeplike in their in their responses
.
Like it, oh okay, sure he'sbusy.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
You were given plausible explanations yeah of
course anybody.
The only question people aremajor human right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
The major red flag is like why are why are children
popping up and you didn't tellme about him?
Like that's weird, like that's.
Why are you hiding?

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
your 13 year old.
That was weird.
But yeah, why do you want astrange man picking me up from
the airport oh, that's weird.
Or complaining about thehundred and something dollar
rental for a car.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Right, because they were probably getting low on
money.
I don't know now, so gosh,don't know now, so gosh, now see
, yeah, you're right.
Once, once you get to the, towhere we're at now in the story,
all of the little things makethey just click.
It's like a little, it's likethis puzzle piece.
It's not complete, but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
It's starting to get there, maybe, uh-huh yeah, the
pieces in the beginning justseemed plausible.
Towards the latter part of thisit just was like, oh well,
that's weird, oh, and that'syour second transfer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
It started getting weird.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
Yeah, yeah, and you, oh man.
And at this point, like I said,I would have been invested too.
I would have been like I am.
At this point we're doing atransfer.
I took all the meds, we'regetting through it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
We're here, I mean we're here, we're got to, we
have to have to, and I'm like itis in my contract that as soon
as that medicine is started, youcan't back out.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
Right right, then you would have been in breach.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
At christmas I was like, oh my god, I don't know if
I want to do this anymore,because, yeah, but I'm like I've
already started taking the meds.
I right like I read thecontract so many times.
I literally carry around a copyof my contract in my purse.
Ladies, I would too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
I would too Honestly, like, well, and when you said
what's going to happen at thehospital and in no way is my
story comparing to yours at all,but my story now is so very
light compared to yours.
But I carried my contractaround because I was always
afraid that somebody was goingto say something and I had
security protection.
But this is.
I thought my story was wild.

(01:33:16):
Jeez, this is insane.
This is insane.
This is insane and I feel sobad for you because a piece of
me I actually know the panicattack, the stress when you're
pregnant.
I went into labor at 36 weeks,four days.
I had that baby early because Ihad stress-induced labor.
My doctor told me that he'slike this is too much for you

(01:33:37):
and I was like clearly, likehello, and my story is so mild
compared to yours and we don'twant that for you at all.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
No, I don't want that for you, which is why I'm like
take as much.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Try not to overexert it's.
It's so much easier said thandone, right, because it's like
oh, just relax.
You cannot tell your inner bodyto chill like I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
You really can't and honestly I I am.
I am very blessed.
Like my husband has taken on somuch at home.
My, my, my bosses and my jobare awesome.
Like I'm a bookkeeper, sonumbers can be stressful at
times, but like my bosses arecompletely understanding, like

(01:34:22):
they're like thank God, we can'treally afford to take a baby
home either.
I'm like hey, you're in yoursixties and your late f 50s, you
ain't taking a baby home anyway, right?

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Exactly, but like it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Yeah, it's like, and again, yeah, no, they were
extremely supportive with medoing this.
Everyone has been extremelysupportive and they're trying to
Get their village, they'retrying to be a village and stand
beside me.
My friends are trying to help.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
Yeah, Um, but yeah, it's like there's just so many
unknowns right and so everybodycan stand up and be ready to go,
but what are we doing?
I just feel so helpless and Iswear to God, I'm like 18,000
people removed from this, butI'm so.
What can we do?
We can get this out.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
You've both been pregnant, with your keepers and
everything.
What are you doing?
Around 34 to 36 weeks?
You're prepping to bring a baby, you're nesting, you're
cleaning, you're trying to pickout clothes, you're trying to
get diapers, wipes, formula, abreast pump.
You know all that stuff.

(01:35:36):
I don't know if I'm going toneed that and I don't know if
I'm.
No, I'm going to need thatuntil, oh look, d-day.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
Yeah, if you end up bringing this bundle home, hell,
we'll do a what do you call it?
A virtual baby shower orsomething, and we'll have
everything People can send giftcards or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yeah, people can send gift cards on wishlist Like
this yeah, yes, We'll help youout with that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Hell yeah, Cause that's.
Don't even stress about that.
You worry about you anddelivering that healthy baby and
keeping you safe and help andwell cause.
Seriously, you have two kids tocome home to and a husband and
a family.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Yeah, and then honestly like okay, my first
baby was a COVID baby, my secondbaby was the year after the
COVID baby.
So like, um, I, I, my two kids,hit when the breast milk
shortage.
Uh, I couldn't breastfeed, butformula, formula, formula yep,

(01:36:34):
we have two grandsons.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
That that's the problem, but they.
We searched everywhere forformula.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Yeah, yeah and it's like okay, um, covid, there's no
baby wipes.
There's, there's very fewdiapers.
It's like I don't have thatissue now, thank gosh, yeah,
yeah, just the cost ofeverything.
The cost of everything.
It's like no no.
It's so expensive, and assurrogates again, you weren't

(01:37:00):
prepared to bring a baby home.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
No, yeah, you're not.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Not yet, not in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Yeah, I will say this I do, and I'm not trying to
speak for every surrogate in thecommunity, but I will say I'm
just going to say 90, 95% of thecommunity definitely feels for
everyone involved in thissituation and I know that they
would want, even if it's adollar, to like help the
situation like it and there's somany people involved in this

(01:37:25):
community that like even adollar a person would make such
a huge difference.
And you know, times are hard.
I get that and and like no wayam I trying to be like everybody
give your money.
No, no, it's, but it's just,it's the power of community.
It's the power of community andit's such a great community and
thank goodness that this is agreat the.
The community itself is great.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
The outside world clearly is just wild and and and
see like we have to have heartsto come in this to begin with.
Okay, like um, yes, a lot ofthe money is is good, but you
have to be in the rightheadspace and heart space, yeah,
to go through with this anyway.
And like that's I'm, I'm, Iwasn't in this to get rich.

(01:38:05):
I wanted to bless somebody withthe like the two little
terrorists that I have that arecurrently now sleeping in their
beds.
That's what I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Which is what every surrogate wants to do.
I mean, you're a surrogatebecause you have kids of your
own.
If you're in the US, you're asurrogate because you have kids,
and Canada You're a surrogatebecause you have kids of your
own.
But in the US you do getcompensated and that is a
motivator because you know what,like you said in the beginning,
you can put.
You can put it in your kidsaccounts, you can help your
family, you can take that tripto disneyland.
You know you can do theselittle things and egg yeah,

(01:38:37):
there's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
It's no 100, nothing wrong with it.
But you didn't go into thisyeah, I would lie if I said all
my services were not partially,and some of them were teeny,
teeny little percentages, andsome of them were teeny, teeny
little percentages and some ofthem were more, oh same,
financially motivated.
Yeah, my last one was 100%financially motivated.
I'm saying it right there andthere.
I think I've already done that,but the first two but, but it's

(01:39:02):
, it's not a bad thing, it's notbut.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
But we didn't go into it thinking we're going to come
out less.
We're going to have less in ourbank coming out of surrogacy
than we did more like correct,go into it thinking I was gonna
make you know hundreds ofthousands of dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
I knew better.
Like I did my research, Ilistened to you guys, like I
tried to take everything underyou know, under advisement.
Yeah, exactly like, if Ihonestly don't mind being the
main go-to, at least for theviewers or the listeners, with
you guys, if I take my GoFundMeand split it between all of us,

(01:39:41):
depending on what we do, I cando that too.
Yeah, no, I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Yeah, but if you bring a baby home, you're going
to need it.
Yeah, keep us updated.
Seriously, if you're willing tocome back and share some
updates when you know anything,we'd love to have you
anonymously and everything.
Yeah, no, no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Yeah, and honestly, like I I already thought about
that earlier I'm like there arepeople are going to be invested,
Like people are alreadyinvested.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
They're like why aren't you guys talking to
people in mark's legacy?
I'm like, because I don't wantto invade you want to right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
We didn't want to pry , we didn't, yeah, and and in
some cases, like those of us whoare still pregnant, are not
sure how much we can actuallyshare.
Yeah, right, exactly, yeah, solike.
That's why, like I'm, I'manonymous, but I won't be
anonymous, like to a point I getyou, I get.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
No, it makes sense and cause.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
you're not breaching any contract.
Coming on and talking aboutthis, cause that this was never
in the contract.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Yeah, like, okay, I tried to you know, watch.
I don't name names if I can.
Um, yeah, the, the, theagencies.
Well, shoot, everybody knowsthe agencies by now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Oh yeah, for sure, sure, they're all over the news.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Like my clinic was actually different than the
other clinic that has been inthe news related to this Western
Fertility, so like I'm sharingthat, I also found out like the
escrows are held at differentescrow places.
They don't even use the sameescrow company for everybody
because they didn't wanteverybody to be a lot of

(01:41:16):
surrogates at one place and redflags would fly.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
So that makes sense why they're using several
different fertility clinic, or acouple different fertility
clinics, a couple differentescrows, of course, because at
least 10 of you are pregnant, soat least 10 people would be
involved at one place.
Oh my gosh, they'd be caughttomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Like they would have been not tomorrow, they would
have been caught like a year agoor whatever, yeah, no, it's
like when they first started, ornot even when they first
started, because zero babieshave been in the home for a
while yeah, so they have I meanand they're.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
And, if you think about it, because there was the
issue with the nanny, theyweren't quote unquote raising
them per se.
They had a lot of help doing it.
Wouldn't you need help with 21?
Yeah, I would think you would.
But, oh my god, 21, why wouldwe give you more?
Why would these and I'm justgoing back to the lawyers and
the and when the babies are born, why would they want to give
them postpartum judgments andgive them more?

(01:42:11):
No, I, it's not in the bestinterest of the baby and I hope
to God that's all I'm going tosay that these babies get
representatives for themselves,court appointed, what do you
call them Guardianship?
And that these babies arereally thought of as humans,
because they are, and this isnot their fault in any way,
shape or form.
It's no, it's really.

(01:42:32):
It's no, it's the fault of thepeople that concocted this, like
that's but, but the fallout ishappening to the surrogates and
to these babies and to all ofthe families involved.
With the surrogates, that lotof stress, and I you have been
so well-spoken and have sharedso much with us.
I honestly, from the bottom ofmy heart, really seriously thank

(01:42:54):
you for coming on here Forbeing brave and talking about it
.
Courageous and just, honest andstrong in your own freaking
journey.
Jesus, you're amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
You are.
You're amazing.
I've had one of my friends askme she's like so you're going to
do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
I'm like um.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
I can't even go there right now.
Honestly, with what the stresslevel is and paying Medicaid and
everything else, I'm like Idon't even know if anybody would
want to.
Even you know broach talking tome about doing this again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Oh, that's not true.
People definitely would.
There are so many agencies,many agencies out there, and
even well, if you don't want togo agency, but still there's so
many people out there that wouldwant to give you a good journey
.
Because, dear lord, but alsoheal from this, yeah, because
yeah, my word, oh yeah, becauseyeah, it's, it's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
My, my mental is gonna have to, not even my body,
but my mental is gonna be likeyou're gonna need some time, and
that's totally fine time, yeah,and like yeah, I could
completely be, like okay, yeah,I want, I want to.
I want a good journey.
I need a good journey to makethis what I dreamed it would be.
Or or I can be like you knowwhat.

(01:44:10):
I don't know if I trust peopleanymore and I'm going to go hide
under a rock.
That's totally fair.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
But no matter what and I just want to say this
because somebody said this to mewhen I was going through it and
it actually it helped me resetmy mindset and it was the fact
of you signed up to help bring alife into the world and you're
still standing by, that you arehelping this baby come earth
side and that was always yourgoal.

(01:44:39):
That was, that's forever yourgoal and that is something that
no one can take away from you.
You 100% have done that and youwill do that, and that is the
pride and joy that we all getfrom surrogacy.
And so just know that even onyour darkest days, like I
brought her here and you knowwhat she's going to live an even
better life.
Like she's here because of meand, like, my heart is with her

(01:45:03):
always.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
Like, whatever it may be.
Even you know if, once she'sborn and she does go into the
system, she's going to changesomebody's life anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
Somebody who?

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
wants a baby.
Somebody who?
Can't have or whatever.
So she's still going to end upwith.
She's going to make her mark onthe world.
She's going to make her mark onthe world.
She's going to get a goodhopeful, a good hopeful,
hopefully, hopefully, fingerscrossed a good family, yeah.
No, I don't want her going tothis family.
I know the blood ties might bethere, but at the same time,

(01:45:40):
yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
I pray for that to not happen I don't think that
will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
There's too much that went on over there 21 like.
There's so many things that aregoing to be looked into like
we're not highly doubt I intoLike I highly doubt, I know, but
I just highly doubt.
I watch a lot of SVU, ellenOkay, and I just highly doubt,
based off of Olivia Benton,she's going to be somebody's
miracle.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
She is just like these other nine, so I'm not
helping the couple.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
I signed up to help but I'm helping another couple.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Yes, 100%.
And they have no idea right nowthat it's in, even in their
path.
And in in six or eight weeksthey're going to get that call.
What's going to?
Oh my God, be a fly in the roomon that one, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Yep, like there, there are several directions.
This can go on.
I'm still, still trying toremain hopeful and helpful.

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
Helpful and it's all you can do.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Heartful.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
And like yeah, yes, and just be mindful of you, and
I think you're doing everythingyou need to be doing.
You're a therapist, all thatstuff You're doing great, you're
taking care of you, which isimportant.
Yeah, that's, that's so I'm nowand down right now to you,
because you are amazing,seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
I don't know what else to say.
I definitely don't feel like itsometimes, but thank you.
Oh my God, you are.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
You are.
You're still standing, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
I would.
I you're still standing.
That just shows how resilientand tough and strong you are and
, honestly, like I know, wedon't pass anything down to the
babies because, like that's, youknow, we're not, they're not
our DNA, but I like to thinkthat you know all of our
strength and all of ourresilience.
They feel our feelings.
So I feel like they take, Ifeel like you're making her

(01:47:23):
stronger before she's even here.
So you know you're creating awhole freaking life and it's
you're just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
And I got a little.
Add all this on top of it.
Strong warrior, Amazon girlinside.
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
Yes, love it Exactly.
Oh my gosh, oh my God.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Yes, Well, please, we would love to stay updated with
you.
I'll reach out to you every nowand then, cause I would like to
just know how you yourself aredoing yeah, and I wish you the
best birthing experiencepossible.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
I do yeah.
Just be known, we're thinkingabout you.
I'm going to think about youuntil I don't even know when
your due date is, but I kind ofguesstimated in my head.
Be thinking about you everysingle day until then, I promise
.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Thank you and, like I said, I will take all of the
good thoughts, prayers andblessings that anyone would want
to send towards me Absolutely,and I know the other surrogates
feel the same.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Yes, 100%, 100%.
Please pass along our wellwishes to all of them, our
support to all of them.
If any of them want to come andvent and get some stuff, we're
happy to hear it.
We'd understand if they don't,either.
That's not what I'm looking for.
I them want to come and ventand get some stuff, we're happy
to hear it.
We'd understand if they don'teither.
That's not what I'm looking for.
I just want to let them knowthey have a platform too, if
they want.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
I definitely I will let them know.
Maybe not tonight, but I'll letthem know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
No no you go.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
It is late, girl.
You go to bed, you go to bed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
We very much appreciate it.
It thank you so much forreaching out, because this is
that, like I said, a lot ofpeople in the community have
been really worried andconcerned for the babies, but
also for the surrogates, and toknow that at least 10 of you are
still pregnant, that's evenmore concerning.
So it's just I I'm speaking onbehalf of the community.
Sorry, everybody, but all ofour hearts are with you and with

(01:49:07):
you all, jesus love, love, loveso yeah, let me make a little
heart, because I never know howto do it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
I don't know how to do it, probably from all of us
Video mom.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
Oh, whatever, I can make it to her, she saw me.
Yes, she did.
All right, you get some restand thank you so very much.
You were a delight and I'm so,so, so sorry you're going
through this.
But you know what I alwaysthink that things sometimes
happen for reasons I'm firmlylike.
Right now we might not think it, but in the long run maybe

(01:49:37):
there's something good that'llcome of this.
I, I, I, I hope it's thegroundbreaker.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Be the trend, be the change.
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
You're the, you're one of the groundbreakers, so
definitely some something willchange from this because of your
strength and resilience in it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
So thank you, fingers crossed yes.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Oh my gosh, Fingers, toes, legs, arms, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Everything.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Everything, oh my gosh.
Well, you have a wonderfulnight.
Thank you again so much, andwe'll be checking in with you,
okay.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
Honored to speak with you.
It really was.
It was a privilege.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Thank you, ladies.
Again, it was wonderfulspeaking with you as well.
Amazing, take care.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much.
Have a great evening, you too.
Bye-bye.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
Bye, bye.
Big exhale, people, big exhale.
Jesus Christ, I can't.
I'm mad.
I know she just talked to us,but what has got to be going
through her head and her mind?

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
She's having panic attacks, wouldn't you?
I would, jesus Christ, are youkidding?
I had panic attacks in mylittle speck of a journey.
I'm like that was the worstthing ever.

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
This Shut up about my journey this is insane, and all
the uncertainty that liesbefore all of them and how, and,
but how.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
No one, how?
No one knows what to do becausenothing remotely has ever had.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
No precedent.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Well, I know, but, but.
But.
But like lawyers are like whatdo we do?
Like doctors like what do we do?
Cps, what do we do?
and it's like oh my, oh, my god,like let's, let's just give
them some type of peace um, butlike just peace of just like the
knowing of like where is thebaby gonna go.
I think, if the surrogates mepersonally, if I knew where this
baby was gonna go and it wasn'tgonna all fall back on me and

(01:51:25):
the bills weren't all gonna fallback on me, which, like I know
that that's like a verycomplicated situation all of
this, but like just knowing, hey, we're thinking that this might
go this way.
Just even a thought of adirection right can bring a
little peace and I think it'sgoing to be different in every
state.

Speaker 4 (01:51:42):
The laws are not gonna no, I know laws are not
gonna apply in those otherstates that these babies are
being born in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
I mean, which is wild , because those babies were
conceived in california and theparents reside in california, so
I I don't know if it can betied back to california one
parent biologically one yeah andhe's not the one trying to get
the post, it's the other one,yeah, so it's very

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
more to come.
Hopefully, I don't even.
Yeah, I, I just don't.
I don't even have any morewords, I just am so feel, my
heart feels so, so heavy for her.
But yet, on the flip side of it, I genuinely feel they're
coming together as a littlecommunity themselves the ones
who are affected by this andthey're helping each other
through it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
They're lifting each other up and it's very, very
important that they that thathappens and that they have their
privacy to do it Very veryimportant that they have each
other and that they have theirprivacy to do it.
Yeah, very, very important, ofcourse.
Yeah, the backlash that they'regetting online is absolutely
diabolical.
It's just like what are youpeople saying?
Shut up, like normally.
It's like all in white noiseCause, like people say it, but
it's like you don't even knowthe situation.

(01:52:47):
Just sit down and stop, juststop.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
And stop sit, surrogate.
Listen to this and maybe you'llget a little bit more
understanding, literally stop,sit and then surrogate, Like
listen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
I just said that I know, but do you know where I
got it from the stop?

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
collaborate and listen, that's so sweet, get it
Like stop sit, don't really, butthat's fine.
Okay, it's long, we're going.
Okay, I love that pretty muchOkay.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
Well, thank you so much for coming on and sharing
your story.
Our hearts are with you anddefinitely we'll be checking in
on you and anyone in thecommunity.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
Yeah, really that's dealing with this.
All the blessings and prayersto all of you.
Seriously, it'll work out,girls.
It will work out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Yeah, out girls, it will work out.
Yeah, If.
Uh, if anybody has anyquestions or stories they would
like to share, please feel freeto reach out to us on Instagram.
At stop period.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
Sit period surrogate, or you can email us at stop
period sit period surrogate atgmailcom.
It's been another edition ofstop sit surrogate with Kennedy
and Ellen.
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