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A church choir, a missed criminology path, and a flyer for Jesus Christ SuperstarJaime Lozano’s origin story doesn’t sound like a straight line to Broadway, but it sings like one.

We sit down with Mexican Broadway composer, lyricist, orchestrator, and music director Jaime Lozano to unpack how a series of gut-led choices, generous communities, and a stubborn belief in possibility shaped his art and life. From becoming the first Mexican graduate of NYU’s musical theater MFA to rebuilding after a visa scam forced him to return to Monterrey, Jaime shares the real immigrant journey behind Songs by an Immigrant and the musicals that center Latinx voices with heart, humor, and cultural depth.

We explore why representation in musical theater matters, how Spanish, English, Spanglish—and every accent—belong in the story, and what it means to write honestly when life is loud. Jaime opens up about composing with his child dancing in the living room, swapping projects when inspiration sparks, and choosing Times Square’s chaos or a quiet Rhinebeck lake with equal joy.

With wisdom on prioritizing the important over the urgent, trusting that deadlines serve the work and not the other way around, and measuring success by impact on his community, Jaime reminds us that art is a language for belonging.

👉 If you’ve ever felt “late” to your calling or believed you needed perfect conditions to create, this conversation offers both practical inspiration and immigrant grit.

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LisaHopkins (00:00):
This is the Stop Time Podcast.
I'm your host, Lisa Hopkins,and I'm here to engage you in
thought-provoking motivationalconversations around practicing
the art of living in the moment.
I'm a certified life coach, andI'm excited to dig deep and
offer insights into embracingwho we are and where we are at.

(00:21):
So my next guest is a truepowerhouse in the world of
musical theater, a visionarystoryteller, a celebrated
composer, and someone that LinManuel Miranda himself has
called the next big thing onBroadway.
Jaime Lozano is a proud Mexicanartist from Monterey who has

(00:41):
built an extraordinary career asa composer, lyricist, arranger,
orchestrator, music director,and producer.
He holds the distinction ofbeing the first Mexican to earn
an MFA from NYU's graduatemusical theater program.
And he's gone on to collaboratewith some of the biggest
Broadway names on stages aroundthe world.

(01:02):
His original works have beenseen at public theater, Lincoln
Center, and off-Broadway, aswell as internationally in
Paris, London, Zurich, Berlin,and Mexico City, among others.
His musicals explore powerfulthemes with heart, authenticity,
and cultural depth.
He's also the creator of Songsby an Immigrant, an acclaimed

(01:24):
album and concert seriesfeaturing an all-Latinx lineup
of Broadway stars, spotlightingthe immigrant experience through
music.
His work has been featured inIn the Heights, Tic Tic Boom,
and his presence as both artistand advocate continues to break
boundaries and build bridges onBroadway and beyond.
I am so deeply honored towelcome the brilliant and deeply

(01:45):
inspiring Jaime Lozano.
Welcome.

JaimeLozano (01:49):
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for this beautifulintroduction.
It sounds so beautiful in yourvoice.
You have such a beautifulvoice.

LisaHopkins (01:58):
Oh, thank you so much.
I appreciate that.

JaimeLozano (02:00):
Yeah, I love it.
Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure to be heresharing with you.

LisaHopkins (02:05):
Yes, it's it's um, as I said, pre-show, such a joy
to know that I get to meetsomebody new today, somebody
wonderful and interesting, andjust sit down and be in the
moment together, right?

JaimeLozano (02:18):
Amen.
Yes, amen.

LisaHopkins (02:20):
So actually, it's funny.
I often ask, especially theguests that I don't know, right?
I'm some of the guests I know,a lot of them I do not, or I've
never met, we've never met.
I'm curious to know what madeyou say, yeah, I'll have a
conversation with Lisa today.

JaimeLozano (02:38):
You know, uh as as you were mentioning, I I
strongly believe in community.
I think that everything in inart should be about the people.
You know, we write storiesabout people.
We people write stories aboutpeople for other people.
It's everything about thepeople.
Uh and I love connecting withpeople.

(03:00):
I just love uh like you know,expanding the community, uh what
I like to call the family,expanding la familia because I I
believe that everything isabout just at the end of the
day, you know, after thispodcast, after after we recorded
it, this podcast, uh the onlything that I'm gonna really keep
from this podcast, even thepodcast is gonna be out there.

(03:21):
I mean, but the reality, thething they're gonna keep after
that is is you, the connectionwith you, you know.
It's the same with a projectwhen you're doing a show.
I mean, that show you you mighthave a show off Broadway or
Broadway, and then the show isgone.
And the only thing that youkeep after that is is the people
you walk with, you know.

LisaHopkins (03:40):
That's that's so beautiful.
I'm just gonna, we're donehere.
Okay, thank you.
No, not at all.
I'm not done.
I'm not done, but you've justencapsulated my why.
So there's I I believe thereare no coincidences.
I believe that we are heretogether for a reason.
I don't even know why I askedyou.
You could ask me the samequestion.

(04:01):
I'm not sure how you came intomy orbit of thinking, but I
thought, ah, I'd love to have aconversation with him.
And you know, to fulldisclosure, I don't know that
much about your music or you,um, although I've been really
immersing myself in it since Iknew I was going to speak with
you and bravo.
But but I just there was a likean instinctual feeling of I

(04:26):
like to talk to him.

JaimeLozano (04:28):
Yeah, and I I I think that's something that have
been really like important inmy life.
What when you just when onechoice leads lead to the other
one, when you just you just youdon't think too much about it,
you know, you just made choicesand one choice like in theater,
like action reaction, just youjust go with the flow in some
way, you know.
Totally.

LisaHopkins (04:49):
I love it.
So tell me a little bit aboutwell, tell us all a little bit
about your origin story.
I think it'd be interesting tolearn about you and and how you
arrived here.

JaimeLozano (04:59):
Yeah, I am born and raised in Monterrey, Mexico.
It's a city in the north ofMexico, a few hours driving from
uh from Texas, like three, fourhours away from Texas.
And I never came to New YorkCity till I was like 28 years
old.
So back in the day when I wasuh uh a child, when I was a

(05:24):
teenager, I could never imaginedoing what I'm doing now.
I mean, like the word the wordBroadway or musical theater uh
or even New York, those wordsweren't part of my vocabulary.
I didn't know what was NewYork, I didn't know what was
Broadway, I didn't know what wasmusical theater.
I was born in a very likemodest family.

(05:45):
I I won't say like poor, butbut but we were like, I mean, my
family really they workedreally hard to to try to give me
an education and try to raiseme as best as they could, but I
was never involved with anythinglike art related, you know.
I was like, so uh it was whatI'm doing now, as we were

(06:08):
mentioned before.
I I think my path was made fromone from choices, you know,
like one choice leading to theother one, and then that led me
to to New York and to getting toknow all this.
But yeah, it it's it's it'sit's crazy because no one in my
family does anything likerelated with arts.
Uh I wasn't like very involved.

(06:29):
I would say when I was a kid, Ididn't went to the theater
maybe just once or twice.
You know, it's not somethingthat I could do when I was a
kid.
Um I like playing soccer when Iwas a kid, I like like other
things, but but not really mu II I love music.

(06:50):
I have always loved music, uhand I have always enjoyed music
a lot as a listener also, but II could never expect to to be
doing that for a living.

LisaHopkins (07:01):
Yeah.
So what was your firstexperience?
I mean, what was your firstsort of we talked we talked
already about intuition andfollowing your gut.
When for you, especially from afamily that was not in the
arts, your when was that feelingthat said, oh, I'd like to
maybe create, not just enjoy,but create this?

JaimeLozano (07:22):
You know, um funny thing, I was supposed to enroll
in a criminology school.
That was what I wanted to studyfor college, criminology.
Uh I used to watch uh you knowlike these like shows like Lord
and Order.
Uh and I was really attractedto that kind of dynamic.
But when when I was a teenager,I would say like when I was

(07:45):
around um 16 years old, I waspart of a of a choir in a
church.
I get involved with that,obviously, it was because when
you're young, you do things, oh,because I want I want to get to
know this girl, whatever.
And so you I I get to go tothis this this shorts and um and

(08:05):
was part of this this choir.
And it's when I realized that Ihad a uh like a decent voice.
You know, I was good like likesinging and doing harmonies.
Harmonies was something thatwas kind of easy for me.
I realized when I was in thecourt that I could do like a
different vocal part and thingslike that.
And so I started learningguitar when I was like 16 years

(08:27):
old.
Uh that was like my my thefirst instrument that I learned.
That was like, let's say, likea one or two years before I was
supposed to enroll tocriminology school.
When I was, I I even did thetest, you know, like the
admission test to enroll atschool.
And then when I was supposed toreally like like now officially

(08:51):
to enroll, something I mean,something in my head told me, I
mean, you should wait.
This is not what you want todo.
And I was already part of thechoir of this short choir, and I
was playing guitar.
So I took like a sabbatic year,and one year later, I decided
to go to try music school.

(09:12):
And my only my only precedentprecedent, my only like you
know, background was that I havebeen playing guitar for a
couple of years and singing fora couple of years in this choir
at a church.
So when I went to enroll tomusic school, um I realized that

(09:34):
most of like all of myclassmates, they have been
playing instruments since theywere like four or five years
old, you know.
So I was the only one like likeI felt like really like behind,
you know, because they alreadyknew how to side read, how to
read music and all that.
And I I didn't know.
I was like learning, uh so theywere like like reading music,

(09:57):
and I was learning to read liketo read music when they were
already like doing it like veryfluently, like side reading.

Speaker 01 (10:05):
Yeah.

JaimeLozano (10:05):
So I realized that I needed to to you know like to
to make up for for that for allthe time that I that I that I
wasn't involved in music.
And I start like a really,like, really like studying like
like crazy, like every singleday, trying to make up for all
the time that I was that I thatI missed in some way because uh

(10:26):
because I was just starting withmusic.

LisaHopkins (10:29):
That's it's it's so interesting because on so many
levels, because most of thepeople I speak to um knew, like
you said, from a very young agethat, oh, I'm because most, not
all of them, but most of themare Americans.
So so they're very familiar,right?
With or even even NorthAmericans or even even British
folk, they they're you know,they're aware of the culture.

(10:51):
You come from a very, verydifferent culture.
And it's funny because I and itmakes me wonder if the if not
being influenced by that, by thebig American Broadway yada yada
yada, which is a very narrowand clear path, right?
We're all taught if that's whatyou want to do, you gotta work
hard, and then you gotta dothis, and then you gotta learn

(11:12):
that, and then you gottaaudition here, and you gotta
suck, you know.
There's so many tropes andlimiting beliefs that go with
what the arts are and if youwant to be on Broadway and so
on.
The fact that you that was noteven in your head, but that you
sort of found music, it soundslike, and then you realized, oh,
I have a talent, and actuallymaybe I'm more interested in

(11:32):
that than criminal law, maybe.
And so, so you kind of, youknow, you didn't go, well, I'm
gonna be a musician, you know.
You were like, I'm gonna checkthat out.
And then, you know, you did thechoir, you picked up the
guitar, and then you're like,Oh, there's a music school, you
know, you go, let's just seewhere I stand, right?
I mean, that's interesting.
Um, and then they, you know,you kind of let that make the

(11:53):
choice.
I have a feel I don't know youwell enough yet, but I have a
feeling that if the music schoolsaid, Yeah, you're not you're
not strong enough, you you don'tbelong here, that you wouldn't
necessarily have taken that as ahit.
What would you have done?
Actually, let me ask you that.
What would you have done if youdidn't get into the music
school?
Do you think?

JaimeLozano (12:13):
You know, I I'm a pretty uh I'm very easygoing in
life.
I don't like to say that.
Uh, for example, uh, I know alot of people that they say, oh,
I I I I hate summer.
And they're they like a winterversus uh summer people, you
know, like things like that.
Uh I don't care.

(12:35):
For example, I don't care.
I enjoy summer, I enjoy winter.
Uh I I I enjoy like everythingin life.
I I like to say that you evenhave to enjoy when you're sad or
when you're having trouble.
So I'm it's it's you you shouldbe able to enjoy every single
moment in your life.
When you are going through athrough an issue, through a

(12:56):
problem, and when you're goingto something good also, when
you're going through a through achallenge, you should be able
to find a way to enjoy that.
So I I I'm sure that I couldfind my my way eventually.
Uh I'm glad that it was throughmusic.
And I do believe that it was insome way.
I I won't say that it'sdestined to be like that,

(13:21):
because it's have it haven'tbeen easy.
I mean, it's not something thatsome people will say you have a
talent.
Uh I I don't necessarilybelieve like in talent as as
something that guide me.
I do believe that I have some,you know, I'm good or I'm I'm

(13:43):
fast doing something, you know,like I kind of learn quickly
about music because I was ableto, you know, to go fast and
learn.
Uh, but I I mean I don't havelike a perfect pitch, you know,
ear, or I don't like things likethat that most of the musician,
a lot of musicians they dobecause they have been doing
that for all their lives.
Uh funny story, when I was uh akid, yeah, let's say I was

(14:07):
around maybe um maybe seven,eight years old.
Every Easter in um in Mexico,they used to broadcast this
movie in one of the publicchannels called uh Jesus Christ
Superstar.
The 70s, the the film uhversion of it.

(14:30):
And I remember that I was I waslike scrolling on the TV,
different channels, you know.
Uh I landed in that channel andwatched that movie, and I say,
What the hell is this?
I don't understand what's goingon, I don't like it, and I just
go to the next channel, youknow, because because being a

(14:51):
kid, I couldn't understand it.
It was interesting to me, likebecause I remember like like I
remember the fact of see ofwatching that, but I remember
that it wasn't like appealing tome.
It was just interesting, butnot appealing to the fact that I
I got like you know, likegrabbed by it.
And I said, I don't understandwhy these people like in the

(15:14):
middle of the desert singing anddancing, and uh so I I just
changed the channel and and andum I wasn't like very, very,
very uh um, you know, like Iwasn't grabbed by it.
And when I enrolled in musicschool, uh I was like nine, like
19 years old.
So I start college a little bitlate because I I decided to

(15:37):
skip a year or two uh aftertrying uh to enroll in
criminology school.
Um because I was singing at uhat a church, the first thing
that I when I went to to musicschool, I applied to be an opera
singer.
Even I was playing guitar, uh Ihave been always a little bit

(16:00):
lazy, like practicing.
I like playing music, but I Idon't like too much like like
practicing, you know, likescales and things like that.
So this I I I thought, oh, Ihave a nice voice, I'm good with
my ear, good enough.
So I'm gonna go into operasinging.
That's when I I wanted to be auh a singer.
I enjoy till today I reallyenjoy singing.

(16:22):
And when I started school, Iremember there was a flyer on
the wall about auditions for ashow.
And and I said, Oh, I'm gonnago to audition.
I mean, I guess it's like anopera or something like that.
I'm studying opera.
I went to audition, I got uhcast as part of the choir in the

(16:46):
pit, not even uh not even as asinger on on stage, no, just in
the pit.
I I was I was cast, and uhthat's the moment I fall in love
with musical theater, and thatshow was you can tell me what
show was what you tell me wasthe same show that I used to

(17:09):
hate when I was a kid.
No, that I that I couldn'twatch.
That's incredible.
I would not have guessed that.
That was that was Jesus ChristSuperstar.
Wow.
So I I yeah, and Jesus ChristSuperstar, that show that let's
say maybe 10 years before Icouldn't stand watching on TV
that that show that I auditionfor, and I was part of, and

(17:32):
thanks to that show I fell inlove with musical musical
theater, theater andstorytelling.

LisaHopkins (17:38):
Wow.
That's an incredible story.
I'm hesitating because it'smaking my mind go.
It's interesting because whenyou say you you wanted to go
into criminology, we didn't talkabout why, but let's just say
you could understand what thatwas, and you you could
understand that there was logicthere that that it's so

(18:03):
interesting because at the atthe age when you first when you
first saw Jesus ChristSuperstar, it made you said it
made no sense to you.
So that's that's probably animportant pattern for you.
When when things don't makesense to you, you don't really
worry about it, right?
You just change the channel.

JaimeLozano (18:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

LisaHopkins (18:24):
So, but it's interesting that the the
universe brought the same thingback to you, and it did make
sense to you.
And I'm I'm sort of feelingthat maybe it's because you
understood how you related toit.
Because you were now a singer,so you could you could see

(18:45):
yourself in it.
Whereas in Jesus, when you seethis movie with everybody
singing, and you're not, youknow, in it probably in a
language you didn't understandvery well either at the time.
Exactly, yeah.
Right?
Let alone a cultural thing thatwas so random.
You know, it's not your desert,that's not what it looks like
in my desert.
You're seven years old, so I Ican imagine.
But talk to me about that placewhere you know is it true that

(19:10):
it's because you because you youyou knew that you that you
could fit.
What was it about it?
Because you must have, as youwere singing, did you not ever
hear anything else that made youkind of go, wow?
It's funny that it was it's socool that it was that thing,
that it was the same show.

JaimeLozano (19:28):
Yeah, it was uh uh a full circle in some way.
Uh I I don't know if it'sbecause I I won't say that I'm
someone who doesn't like things.
I mean, when I was a kid, ofcourse, I I couldn't understand
it, and that's why I didn't likeit.
Yeah, but today I'm someonethat I I try, I I think there's

(19:51):
different lay levels in in andin the way that you have
relationship with things,especially with art.
Because I I I think I can I canlike something that I
completely don't understand.
You know, like when you go to ashow or when you listen to

(20:12):
music and you feel there issomething interesting, even you
don't completely understand it,but you like the fact of
whatever it is, the concept orwhatever.
Uh I do believe that, forexample, there there are things
that are very well done, thatthe craft and the skills and
everything behind the show orthe song or the music is so well

(20:37):
done that it's good or it'svery it's very good, but I don't
like it, yeah, you know, and Iknow that I like things that
they are not very well done,yep.
That's not you know, I yeah,but I I I try to be very
objective at about that.
I know that that show, sorryabout the word, is a crap, but I

(21:00):
like it, yeah, because otherreasons, because I connect with
the show on a personal level,because I like the story, maybe
not a waste of, but uh I meanthere's something I'm a crier, I
always cry.
I went to a magic show lastnight with my family, with my
wife and my son, and I wascrying the whole show.

(21:20):
Oh, I was like amazed by by byby by the storytelling.
It was beautiful because it wasa show with a lot of
storytelling, yeah.
And he says something that itthat that I really the that I
also um feel really connectedto.
He said there's two kinds ofpeople that the way that they
connect with magic.
One the dreamers, the one thatjust see the show and enjoy the

(21:45):
show, and they don't questionabout it, they just are there.
And the second is the skeptics,you know, the people that they
want to find what what is thetrick?
Or I I yeah, so I I I considermyself in life the part of the
first group, the dreamer.
The ones I can go walk on thestreet and see someone singing

(22:10):
or see the sunset or whatever,and just enjoy it.
Yeah, uh my son taught me avery important lesson a few
years ago.
It was around Christmas.
He still believes in SantaClaus, Santa Claus.
Uh, and a couple of years, he'seight years old.
He's turning nine in September.

(22:31):
But a couple of years ago, liketwo, three years ago, from the
from from nowhere, I don't knowwhy he mentioned this, but he
said, you know what, dada, hecalled me dada sometimes.
You know, you know why I'm notsure if Santa is real, but I
choose to believe in him.
And I say, Yeah, I think mylife has been like that.

(22:57):
I still believe in Santa Claustoday.
Yeah, you know, I I think thatyou have to believe in things.
I I I think with with myconnection with music was
something similar.
Uh, that I I choose to believein music.
When I was a kid, I come from avery modest family, we didn't

(23:17):
have a lot of money, but for forsome reason I was able to get a
scholarship in a privateschool.
So all my elementary, middle,and high school, I I did it in a
private school when all thepeople at that school they had
some um financial um you know umprivilege.

(23:40):
Yeah, you know, I I used to bevery bullied about it because I
didn't have money and all thesepeople they have money.
So I wasn't very good makingfriends at school because of
that difference.
So um I wasn't very goodspeaking at with people, I
wasn't very good like connectingwith people.
And for some reason, as theyears passed, I realized you

(24:05):
mentioned something about when Iwas watching the movie that I
couldn't understand it alsobecause because the language.
Yeah, I I could I I actuallylearned English in New York when
I came, that story comes later.
But when I was accepted atNguyu, I didn't I didn't speak
English at all.
So when I discovered music as alanguage and made a choice to

(24:32):
enroll in this school and learnthis language, I think that I
realized that was the languagethat I needed to speak in order
I could communicate with others.
In order I I think that was Ithink this is the language that
I'm gonna be fluent enough so Ican now talk about myself
because I couldn't do it beforein Spanish when I was a kid,

(24:55):
because I couldn't do it in anyway.
So I that's why I think that Imake all these choices that led
me into music.

LisaHopkins (25:03):
Yes.
Yeah, that makes that makesperfect sense.
It makes perfect sense.
I would I would guess that ifmusic didn't exist, if music
wasn't a thing, that you wouldfind somewhere else.
I'm still thinking about whatyou said.
I mean, we're gl we're gladthat you did, because the world

(25:24):
is enjoying your beautifulmusic, um, and learning about
you and and your culture and allof that through through that
through that channel, which isbeautiful coming from you, from
your heart.
But it's when you talkedearlier, when you said it stuck
with me, you were saying, youknow, we should be able, even in
grief, to find joy and and soon and so forth.

(25:47):
First of all, um it's funnybecause I am a very much about
words, and when we say should, Icall I should could with shame.
Uh-huh.
Because it makes you feel likeif you don't, then you're then
you're shameful.
You're missing.
And I understand what youmeant, but and maybe that's just
a nuance that's not importantto you.

(26:08):
But but it is interestingbecause I agree with you.
Um, what I would say is you getto, if you open your eyes, you
will realize that you know,there's rain and there's sun and
there's all of these thingshappen simultaneously, don't
they?
Or not simultaneously, but theywell, yes, it's a paradox.
Life is is is a paradox.
And if we only follow thegrief, which we are actually

(26:32):
hardwired to do, right?
As as as uh humans, um, thenyou're right.
You're absolutely right.
We we miss the joy.
We we we miss the joy, theinherent joy that is always
there.
It's just we don't choose tolook at it.
And don't we need more joy whenwe're grieving?
That's when we actually reallyneed the joy.

(26:52):
We always think that joy is aplace to, oh, as soon as I get
over this grief, I'm gonna maybefind some joy.
It's like, no, how can we blendsome joy into the grief so that
it dilutes it a little bit andhelps us realize that it's all
part of, you know, the essenceof who we are.
And and that's where I feel thethe texture of life, right?

(27:14):
Or the timbre of the music, orright?
You like you don't just dohappy music, or me as a coach, I
don't just do positivity.
You know, it's about shading,isn't it?

JaimeLozano (27:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and enjoying, like, for
example, there was uh yeah,enjoying every moment that
doesn't mean necessarilyenjoying doesn't mean it's
necessarily living with joy, butbeing able to just be in the
moment uh and and let it be.
But I think you you need tofind a way to not rush anymore

(27:52):
every moment, you know, likelike everyone has different like
like like timelines anddifferent ways to live.
Because now you've been in thestates for how many years?
I mean, 2007 was the first timethat I came here.
Do you still live in Mexico ordo you live in New York?
I live in New York, yeah, yeah.
I live in New York, yeah, yeah,yeah.
I came to study at NYU.

(28:12):
It was a two-year program witha student visa.
Then when I applied, I startedworking like what in musical
theater like off Broadway andwith the Broadway community and
all that.
And when I was applying for myartist visa, my lawyer was a
scam.
Oh he's he stole all my money.
I wasn't able to get a visa, soI have to go back to Mexico

(28:33):
like around 2011.
Like in 2011, so I was here2007 to 2011, and then I was
living in Monterey.
I was back in Monterey, like uhteaching at the university
there.
Then I met in Mexico uh thisbeautiful, talented, smart girl

(28:54):
who's now my wife.
Thanks to thanks to to mylawyer, that was a scam.
I have to go to Mexico, and Imet my wife, my my now wife wife
there.
I moved to Mexico City, andthen we got married in 2015, and
we came back.
I was in Mexico from 2012, 1112to 2015.

(29:14):
Those years I was in Mexico,and then I came with my wife
only for our honeymoon.
We were supposed to be herefrom December 7th, 2015, to
January 7, 2016.
But two, three days beforegoing back to Mexico, I told my
wife again, I think we shouldstay.

(29:38):
What if we if we stay?
Yeah, and my wife said she'salso an actress, uh performer, a
writer.
Uh, and she told me, Yeah,let's do it together, let's
stay.
We didn't have it, was January,January 2016.
We have only one suitcase withno winter clothes.

(29:59):
We didn't have savings.
We didn't have an apartment.
We didn't have jobs.
We didn't have even a visa towe stay as tourists with our
tourist visa.
And we decided to stay.
That was January.
A few weeks or a month later,we realized because we we were

(30:20):
here for our honeymoon.
So we we realized that ourhoneymoon was very successful
and she was pregnant.
And um that was February 2016.
We didn't know should we stayor go back.
So we decided to stay.
Even we were pregnant, wedecided to stay.
Our son was born here in NewYork in um September 27, 2016.

(30:45):
Before that, I had to applyagain for our artist visa.
I reconnected with my friendsfrom back back from the time I
was living in New York when Iwas at NYU and after I
graduated, and after getting afew jobs, gigs, blah, blah,
blah.
And I was able to pay for alawyer, now a good lawyer, and I
was able to get my artist visain 2016.

(31:07):
Um, but yeah, that that was mywhole like um journey as
immigrant.
Uh I consider my mission, mostof the work that I have been
doing since I started likeworking on musical theater, is
telling stories about myself ofpeople like myself, of my

(31:27):
community.
That's why I have this projectcalled Songs by an Immigrant,
where all the stories are aboutthe immigrant experience.
And if you get to know mymusicals, right now I'm writing
a musical about Frida Kahlo.
Frida Kahlo that is this bigMexican artist, you know.
Or I have another musicalcalled El Otro Oz, the other Oz,
that is a Latin adaptation ofThe Wizard of Oz.

(31:50):
I have another musical calledRoja, that is a Mexican
adaptation of Red Little RidingHood.
Uh or Little Red Riding Hood,yeah.
Uh I have um, yeah, like mostof my musicals or my or my songs
in some way are influence ortell the story of my community

(32:12):
or my background, and I useMexican or Latino music mixed
with musical theater or some uhyou know, some other kind of
music like jazz or things likethat.
Uh, but who I am is alwaysthere, you know.
I I consider myself and theyask me a lot, uh oh, so you only

(32:34):
you only write about Mexican orLatin uh subjects or things,
you only can do that.
And I say, no, I I can do, Imean, I can't I could write a
story like Phantom of the Operaor or whatever or Les Miss or
whatever.
I mean, I I could I could writelike other kind of fiction that
is not necessarily related withmy background, but I also feel

(32:57):
strongly connected right nowthat it's important because I
didn't, as I mentioned before,Broadway and all that wasn't in
my vocabulary.
Yeah, and then I realized thatfor a lot of people that they
have even been born in theUnited States, Broadway and um
musical theater and uh art isnot either in their vocabulary

(33:21):
because they haven't seensomeone like that look like them
on stage or doing the thingthat they or doing things like
that.
So a lot of like MexicanAmericans or people with perfect
English that they they haven'thad the chance, the
opportunities to see themselvesin positions that other people

(33:46):
has have been, you know.
So I think representation isreally important, and that's why
I have been doing this focusingon these kind of stories and
this kind on and the kind ofstory that I'm telling, because
I want people to see themselveson stage or to hear themselves
on on these songs, you know.
That's why uh that's whylanguage has been so important

(34:08):
for me.
And I do a lot of I still writesongs in Spanish or songs in
Spanglish, or uh, or I encouragepeople in my shows to have
their accent.
If they have an accent and it'sright for the character, they
should use their accents, uh,and things like that that I
think that is important that weneed to welcome into the

(34:28):
storytelling, you know?
Yeah.

LisaHopkins (34:32):
Yeah, no, for sure.
I think that's that's that's awonderful mission.
Um, and and very important.
I'm curious to know, you nameda lot of projects that you have
going, and I'm curious to know,does that excite you?
How do you decide which whichway energetically you want to
go?
When you sit down to work andyou don't have a deadline

(34:53):
particularly, you're justself-motivating yourself, you
have all these ideas andprojects.
How do you how do you choose?
What's your process?
Do you do you like to workalone?
Do you like to work, you know,uh do you need quiet?
Do you work at night?
I'm just so curious.

JaimeLozano (35:09):
Uh I'm very bad organizing myself.
I have definitely deficit ofattention.
For example, I have thesethree, four, or five projects at
the same time.
Sometimes I'm working on oneproject for half an hour, and
for some reason, I I got an ideafor another song for another

(35:29):
project.
So I just switch, I go to thenext to the other project.
Yeah, and then I go back andforth.
You know, I can be like more ofa certain period period of time
just focusing on one project.
I I'm always doing everythingat the same time.
That's some that's very badbecause I mean that's the way I
work, but I I would say thatinstead of yeah, instead of you

(35:52):
know, like working this in thisproject and just you know, like
getting this project to here,I'm like doing this with all the
projects, you know, like likesmall steps, like small steps
with every single project at thesame time.
Also, I have a uheight-year-old son.
During the pandemic, we spent24 hours, yeah, yeah, like 24-7

(36:17):
together, you know, like likeand I was writing songs, and my
son was at home the whole time,and he wanted to play with me,
and he wanted to be on top ofme.
He wanted to he wanted me toput attention to what he was
doing.
So let's say I was writing asong, I was doing maybe the

(36:38):
verse, verse, and then he was ontop of me, and we were playing,
and then I was, yeah, I I wentto do something else, and then I
go back to another project, notto the same song I was working
before, but uh I oh I have towork in this project, and I move
to another project, and then hehas the TV or like all the

(36:59):
volume up, and then so I havelearned to work and enjoy, enjoy
whatever are the circumstancesaround me.
I can work.
We are just back from awriter's resident.
I think we went upstate toRhinebeck, to this house in the

(37:20):
middle, just by the lake, in themiddle of the woods, with with
my creative team, even with myson and my wife, because I'm uh
my wife is directing that show,and we were there in the middle
of nowhere griding, but we haveto find time to go and play
soccer because my son wanted toplay and things like that.

(37:40):
And there are other times thatI like sitting in the middle of
Times Square with all the noiseand just griding in Times
Square.
I love Times Square.
I have a uh something like thisweird relationship with Times
Square.
I know most of people hateTimes Square.
More of people, most of thepeople living in New York, they
hate Times Square, but I kind oflove what it means, and I love

(38:01):
the energy, and I like goingthere and just spend time there.
Uh, so as I mentioned before, Ienjoy summer, I enjoy winter, I
enjoy being by myself writing,I enjoy being in a noisy
environment also writing.
Sometimes, sometimes I'mwriting a song, and my son is in

(38:25):
the living room that is thesame room where I'm working, uh
dancing through another song.
Yeah, even I'm writing acompleted original song right
now, and usually I don't getmad, usually I don't tell him,
Hey, oh, please, please stoplistening now to music, or
please uh whatever.

(38:45):
Usually I just let it go.
There's special occasions thatI I need to ask him, oh, can you
please lower the music?
Or can you stop listening tomusic or can you stop watching
the TV right now because I needto focus in a different way on
this?
But usually I don't care aboutthat and I just keep going.
Um I don't know if that's goodor bad.

(39:07):
I just that it's just the waythat I I'm doing it.

LisaHopkins (39:12):
Yeah.
Yeah, like you said, it's justthe way you are.
If you could change it, wouldyou?

JaimeLozano (39:17):
I don't know.
Maybe I I don't know.
I actually live just outsideNew York, just crossing the
river in Union City, New Jersey.
Uh it's a small apartment, alittle bit bigger than living in
in the city, but it's a smallapartment.
Of course, I would like to havemy own recording studio.
Uh but I don't know.

(39:38):
I I kind of enjoy the moment Iam at.
Eventually, if I have if I'mable to move to a bigger place
and I have a room just for me towork in that room, I I could
yeah, I could, I I could takeit, but it's not something I'm

(39:58):
worried about it right now.
It's not I don't need of otherthings to make things happen.
Yep.
I'm gonna make things happenwith whatever I have right now.

LisaHopkins (40:07):
Yeah.
I mean, I think I think you'rereally talking about your
definition of living in themoment.

JaimeLozano (40:12):
Yeah, yeah.
That has been my mantra foryeah, for for good or for bad.
Uh I I I'm always go with withmy honest choice, with my honest
decision.
I don't think too much.
No.
I I do it, but I I go with mywith my God.
I I go with with whatever isinside me is telling me at the

(40:37):
moment to to do.
Uh, sometimes it's veryextreme.
For example, back in the daywhen we moved together to New
York with my wife, I rememberthat they invited me to do a
project in in Paris, in France.
They told me, we're gonna payyou a little stipend here, we're
gonna put you in a room, we'regonna pay your living expenses,
but we don't have a budget tofly you.

(41:00):
My son was a few months old.
I remember that I have themoney to pay my rent, and I
decided to buy the flight to goto Paris instead of paying my
rent.
Because I needed to say, theytold me, yes or no, do you want
to come?
Uh okay, yes.
My wife was flying with me andmy son, the three of us

(41:22):
together.
And I say, okay, I'm gonna I'mgonna buy the flight to go to
Paris to this project.
I didn't have a stable job bythe time.
But I knew that I I needed totake that choice.
I took that choice, and a fewweeks later I found whatever
project, I put together themoney and I paid the rent.

(41:44):
And I I don't know.
Uh as I mentioned at the verybeginning of this conversation,
I believe that one choice hasled me to the other one, and
that is the reason why I'm herenow talking to you.

LisaHopkins (41:55):
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
No, I I agree with that.
And it's it's interestingbecause what comes up for me
when I'm listening to you is itsounds like you don't worry
about things you can't control,like the weather.
You are aware when things thatyou don't know what the outcome

(42:15):
will be, that you you caninfluence by putting yourself in
it, like buying a ticket,making those choices.
So it's that and it sounds likeyou're open to it because you
don't worry about things youcan't control.
So you're not saying, you know,I'm gonna I'm gonna go to Paris
because then I'm gonna do thisand do that.
And even when I asked you ifyou didn't work the way you

(42:38):
worked, you're like, well, Imean, I wouldn't mind having a
studio, but you you were verydisconnected from that.
I mean, you know, you're like,it's fine.
It's you know, and it's notlike it didn't sound like it's
fine, like, no, no, I'm I'mokay, you know, like it didn't
sound like that.
It sounded like you're reallytotally fine.
You're quite happy with whereyou are, you're not attached to

(42:59):
where you are being connected towhere you want to go because
you trust that where you are andbe putting your energy in where
you are now will take youwherever, right?
Is that kind of what I'mhearing?

JaimeLozano (43:14):
Yeah, yeah.
And also in in in life, I thinkthat I I have learned I could
say that I really care aboutwhat I do.
I really care about it, yeah,but I don't give up F.
Yes, you know you know what Imean?
Yes, it's like I do I reallycare.
It's not that I don't care,yes, but I'm not of obsessed

(43:37):
with whatever it's the you know,it's yep, this is not gonna,
it's not death or life, youknow.
It's that's it.
Let's say I have learned likethat if if I don't make it to
the deadline, there's gonna bealways a tomorrow, you know?
So I I'm not gonna kill myself.

(43:58):
Uh and I'm not saying that Idon't fulfill my deadline.
What I'm saying is when forbecause my process, I I try to
be very honest with what I do.
I I think that that is the onlyif it's it's something for sure
you're gonna find in my songs,in my projects, or in any
whatever I do, is thateverything comes from honesty.

(44:19):
I I try I'm very honest withwhat I do.
Yep.
I have learned that whateverhappens, it's okay.
You know, it's it's I I'm gonnafind a way to to make it true
or to or to to find a way to togo to another path uh when
things don't go the way that youplan it, that something is

(44:39):
hard, that doesn't things don'tgo the way you want to.
Uh and I really care about it,but as I say before, as I say
before, with a strongerlanguage, I don't give an F
about that.
I care about it, but not in acrazy way.
Yep.
And I think that that that'sthat's the way that I have been
trying to to to lead myself intomy journey.

(45:03):
Yes.
And also other don't forgetwhat is important in your life.
Never quit what is importantfor something that is urgent.
You know what I mean?
It's what is important,important is my son, important
is my family, important is myhealth.

(45:26):
What is urgent?
Maybe a deadline, maybe a phonecall that I agreed to have.
Think that they're supposed tohappen, but it's more important
my son.
So I know I'm never gonna tryto do something that is urgent
instead of something that isimportant.

LisaHopkins (45:46):
Yeah, that's brilliant.

JaimeLozano (45:47):
I mean, I think how do you want to be remembered?
Being an artist, and we are wealways have a lot of ego in some
way, and of course, we want tobe remembered for our art, you
know, because at the end we dowhat we do, not to have it in a
box in our apartment.

(46:07):
You know, we we do it so otherpeople listen to our songs or
come to our shows, and theycould they can remember what we
do.
So that's in some kind of ourlegacy.
But I would say that I wouldlike to be remembered by my son.
I mean, I think that is beyondif people out there remember who

(46:32):
I who I am or my music or myshows, as long as my son
remembers me as his dad.
And that good or not as goodhuman being I have been, I think
that is enough.

(46:53):
Because he's gonna be able topass the legacy.
I mean, he is he's the one whois gonna take over, and if I'm
doing any any good, he's gonnabe a uh good person.
And that and at the end, rightnow, I think that's the only
thing I really care.

LisaHopkins (47:11):
What would you say you're most afraid of?

JaimeLozano (47:14):
Hmm.
I'm I'm afraid of many things.
In in in I'm gonna go first tothe practical side.
For example, I'm not I'm not avery uh extreme guy.
I don't like like extremeactivities like uh like getting
into the ocean and swim or likeroller coasters, like those

(47:35):
kinds of like like like extremeactivities.
Uh I'm not I'm not a fan of.
The thing that doesn't scareme, it's to to be myself.
I think that's something thatdoesn't scare me.
And I think that thing thatscares me the most is again, I'm
gonna I'm gonna I have to gowith my son again.
What is gonna the life thathe's gonna have?

(48:00):
You know, that that the thingthat is not on our control that
maybe doesn't allow him to behimself.

LisaHopkins (48:08):
What what would your younger self be proud of?
If you think about thatseven-year-old self that first
saw Jesus Christ Superstar andwent, eh, and now where you are
now, what do you think he mightbe proud of?
Or or what he would think aboutwhere where you are now?

JaimeLozano (48:24):
I think he in general he will be he would be
proud of the man I have become.
Why?
All the kids used to bully me.
I wasn't I wasn't very goodcommunicating, talking, and now
I can't believe that I am livingin the biggest city in the
world right now, like being veryfluent in a language that I

(48:47):
could never imagine to bespeaking, yep, having this
conversation with you, leadingprojects, you know, like like
being some kind of uh I I Iconsider myself a leader in the
community, you know, in what Ido.
I'm an advocator also.
I'm I'm an advocator for mycommunity, for the Latin

(49:07):
community, for Latin stories,for my people.
I have been working hard andmaking choices, trying to uplift
my community and uplift mystories and finding
opportunities for myself and formy people, for my family and
for my community.
And as a kid, I uh I don'tthink that my kid version could

(49:31):
imagine that I would I could bewhat I am today.
So I think he would be veryproud of me just being who I am,
even with all my you know, allmy not very good sides that as a
human being we all have.
I think the only fact thatbeing in this city, doing a
living, doing what I love andand speaking up and

(49:57):
communicating what I feel andbeing honest about it, uh, he
could be very proud of that.

LisaHopkins (50:04):
Yeah, for sure.
Hey, if we were to talk, Idon't know, 10 years from now,
and you were and you're like,Lisa, oh my god, I'm so excited.
This is what's happened in mylife since we last spoke.
What would we be celebrating?

JaimeLozano (50:18):
I I would like to keep celebrating who I am as I
as I am, you know, yeah, withwith all my background, with all
who I am.
Uh and again, this is notcoming uh from an from an ego
place or something, but as anartist and as a human being, I

(50:39):
could love I I I I'm alwaysusing my platform and my art to
speak about whatever is goingon, you know, in society, you
know, like all my shows in someway.
I I I strongly believe believethat art should be a reflection
of the times we are living.

(51:00):
Uh so I always say that oh I Iwould love to be famous, not by
the fact of being famous, butbecause I know that if I get a
bigger platform, first all myfamily and my closer circle, I
can be able to pay back to my toyou know to all those friends,

(51:25):
like like these albums that I'mdoing now, this concert.
I have in this group of amazingfriends that they are recording
for me sometimes for free, or Ipay them a little bit less than
well what they deserve, youknow, or sometimes we do
concerts and they say, Oh, I'mgonna sing this one for free.

(51:46):
Don't worry, because I believein in you and your project, and
things like that.
Or designers, I have thisdesigner, she has been designing
all my the covers of my albumsand and many of my posters for
free, sometimes for many, manyyears, and sometimes I'm able to
pay him a little bit, likethings like that.
That I know that if I get toanother level, I could be able

(52:10):
to give work to all of them thatis well paid, you know, to be
able to if I do good, the peoplearound me is gonna be good,
it's gonna do good.
So I hope that one day I can becelebrating me like being in a
better place so that peoplearound me can be also be in a

(52:31):
better place.
And also because the way thatmore people I I know that some
people listen to me and theylisten to my songs, that they
come to my concert right now.
We have this big challenge thatwe're be we're doing this big
room that we have haven't donebefore.
And I'm I'm afraid of that wemight not be able to get a lot

(52:53):
of people in that room, maybe,because it's not a lot of people
know me yet.
So I hope that tomorrow in 10years, more people get to know
who I am and my stories, notbecause I wanted to know me, but
because I wanted to know whatwe can do as a community, you
know, together.
And I think that that that isimportant.

(53:13):
I would like to celebratemyself and my community for the
things that we're doing andwhere we are getting to places.
I think that that that thatthat is something I would like.
If if if I have to be morespecific, yeah, I could like to
have a Broadway show thathopefully is what happened with
one of my shows in a couple ofyears or two, three, four years.

(53:35):
I don't know.
I could like to fill a big roomlike Carnegie Hall or things
like that.
Uh I could like like millionsof people streaming to my music
or buying my albums.
Uh, but more than that, I thinkit's about the community, like
like how to translate that intothe impact that I can have in

(53:58):
the community.

LisaHopkins (53:59):
Yeah, 100%.
Impact is exactly the word thatwas in my head.
Most people think that I amfill in the blank, but the truth
is that I am.

JaimeLozano (54:12):
Uh oh, it was I I'm gonna tell you the answer that
my wife told me.
This is not a good answerbecause I I was I was talking
with my wife, and uh, I'm notgonna give the answer that I
gave.
I'm gonna give that one.
She told me, most people thinkthat I'm friendly.
What would she say?

(54:33):
That's what he she said.
I don't know why.
But yeah, I kind of likeintrovert, extrovert, yeah, like
this weird personality that uhit's weird because sometimes we
are with our friends in thislike friendly reunions, and I'm
just like quiet, not sayinganything.
And then you see me right nowtalking to you, like being very
friendly, a bit open, and and inmy concerts, I'm also like

(54:56):
making fun, making jokes, I'mvery, very open.
Yeah, it it's it's yeah.
I I yeah, I I I kind of likehis her answer uh about that
because uh that's the way that Iexplain it.
That that that yeah, as humanbeings, we're complicated,
right?
We it and and everything aslong as we don't hurt others, I

(55:19):
think that it's okay.
It's okay to be sometimes alittle bit introvert and uh
sometimes a little bit extrovertand to change ideas and to
shame things uh as long as we'renot hurting others.

LisaHopkins (55:31):
Yep.
Let's do this.
The um I'm gonna say what makesyou and I'm gonna say a word,
and then you just say whatevercomes to your mind.
Yeah?

JaimeLozano (55:41):
Okay.

LisaHopkins (55:42):
So what makes you hungry?

JaimeLozano (55:46):
Uh work.

LisaHopkins (55:48):
What makes you sad?

JaimeLozano (55:55):
What is happening in the world right now?

LisaHopkins (55:57):
What inspires you?

JaimeLozano (56:01):
Everything around me, uh especially my family.

LisaHopkins (56:06):
What makes you frustrated?
Um Injustice.
What makes you lowercasefrustrated?
So okay.
What makes you irritated?
What irritates you in yourday-to-day life?

JaimeLozano (56:27):
Oh, um lack of commitment.
Lack of what?
Commitment.
Of commitment.

LisaHopkins (56:37):
Love it.
What makes you laugh?

JaimeLozano (56:40):
And my son.

LisaHopkins (56:41):
What makes you angry?

JaimeLozano (56:44):
I don't get angry a lot, that's why it's hard to to
to to answer.
Because I say I always enjoyeverything.
I I could say uh um I I couldsay that that people don't be
able to enjoy things.

LisaHopkins (57:03):
I'm smiling because when I became a coach and we
were doing our training,everybody, it was easy for them
to to to catch on to their thewhat they called their inner
critic and their gremlin and andall the things that made them
and I was like I had such a hardtime.

(57:27):
I said, I don't know, I don'tknow what makes me angry.
And and and I I searched and Isearched, and then I realized,
or I, you know, when I when Ifound something, what what makes
me angry or frustrates me, whatmakes me lower energy and lower
frequency is when people can'tsee what I see, not because I

(57:47):
want to be right, but becauseit's so beautiful out here.

JaimeLozano (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

LisaHopkins (57:51):
Yeah.
So when you said that, I waslike, yes.

JaimeLozano (57:55):
Yes.

LisaHopkins (57:56):
Do you ever get angry at yourself?

JaimeLozano (58:01):
I I gotta say I got frustrated with myself
sometimes.
Sometimes not not maybe notangry, but yeah, frustrated.

LisaHopkins (58:08):
Hmm.
Do are you comfortable tellingme what frustrates you about?

JaimeLozano (58:13):
I would say what what when um when I'm not being
able to figure out to figurethings out, uh let's say how to
help my son with something, orhow to help my wife with
something.
When I I'm not able to provide.
Yeah, I have always thisarguing with my wife.

(58:33):
When my wife has a problem oran issue, I always want to fix
it.
Yeah, I always give an answer,a solution, and then he gets mad
and tells me, I don't want youto fix it for me.
I don't I'm just telling youhow I feel.
I'm gonna find a solution,don't worry.
I just want you to listen.
And I always want to, I don'twant others to to suffer.

(58:54):
I don't want others to to to goto complic through complicated
things, and I always want to togive solutions.
So at the moment, when theyreally need a solution or when
they really need something toget fixed, and I can find the
answer, I think that gets mebro, like frustrated.
Yeah.
What makes you grateful?

(59:15):
Being where I am today.
I'm grateful for today.

LisaHopkins (59:21):
I think you're just gonna be the poster child for
my stop time mantra.
No, it's great.
I mean it's that's it'sbeautiful.
Because what else what else dowe have, right?

JaimeLozano (59:31):
Yes.

LisaHopkins (59:32):
That's so beautiful.
What are the what are the topthree things that have happened
so far today?

JaimeLozano (59:38):
One, uh when when my son woke up and come to kiss
me on my sheriff.
Two, because I I was running alittle bit late for this
podcast.
Usually I I make coffee to mywife like around like in the
morning or around noon, I madethe coffee.
And today, because I was late.

(59:59):
I I put the coffee, but Ididn't finish her coffee, so she
finished the coffee.
And she was she was the one whomade coffee for me today
because I was late for this.
But usually I do it everysingle day for her.
And three, I was sending thematerial uh for as I mentioned
before to all my to all mymusicians, all the scores.

(01:00:21):
And one of my musiciansrealized there was uh uh a
mistake in some of his his musicthat was good because he
realized it today and not duringthe rehearsal.
He checked that he checked hismusic right away.
He told me, Oh, I think this iswrong and this is wrong.
So I told him, Oh, let me fixit right away.

(01:00:42):
And I was fixing it thismorning right away, and I sent
him back the correct versions.
So I think those three things.

LisaHopkins (01:00:49):
Yeah, that's cool.
I love that.
You know, it's it's not a lotof people when when I ask them
that, it slows them down, but itmakes them panic because they
think, oh, I don't know, it'searly, or or I, you know,
nothing, you know, or they'rethey're like they have a
criteria for what you know greatthings are supposed to be.
But what it does is it bringsyou closer to gratitude.

(01:01:12):
Like we can be grateful foropening our eyes in the morning
or for, you know, and that andwhat you described with your
wife.
I mean, that is that'sbeautiful.
I mean, that is truly somethingto be grateful for, right?
Or to be to be something, Imean it's a gratitude exercise,
really, isn't it?

JaimeLozano (01:01:26):
Yes.

LisaHopkins (01:01:27):
But it was no surprise that it was easy for
you.
Um, as we finish, I um I liketo ask, what's one thing that
you're looking forward to today?
Later today, and what's onething in the future that you're
looking forward to?

JaimeLozano (01:01:44):
I think later today, because I'm done with
this, a lot of work that we haveto do to prepare for that
concert.
Yeah, I'm gonna go out with asoccer ball to play with my son.
I love it.
Sometimes he asks me everysingle day, and there's some
days that I can't do it.
Uh and he gets a little bitmad.

(01:02:05):
But you promised me, I'm sorry.
Sometimes some days I can't doit.
But I think today is early inthe day, and uh we have time to
do that.
So uh I yeah, I'm gonna dothat.
We're gonna go to the park toplay some ball.

LisaHopkins (01:02:19):
That sounds amazing.
That sounds amazing.
Yeah, it has been such apleasure speaking with you.

JaimeLozano (01:02:24):
My pleasure, my pleasure.
I love the title of your show,and now I'm connecting that the
script for the show was perfect.
Based on the title andeverything, yeah.
I I love this conversation.
Thank you for your beautifulenergy, for your beautiful vibe.
And and and um, yeah, uh callme as one of your friends now.

(01:02:45):
Anything you need, I'm here.

LisaHopkins (01:02:47):
So tell me, is it tell me how to say your name
again?
Jaime Lozano.
Jaime Lozano.
I want to say that right.
I have been speaking today withJaime Lozano.
I'm Lisa Hopkins.
Stay safe and healthy,everyone, and remember to live
in the moment.
In music, stop time is thatbeautiful moment where the band

(01:03:10):
is suspended in rhythmic unison,supporting the soloist to
express their individuality.
In the moment, I encourage youto take that time and create
your own rhythm.
Until next time, I'm LisaHopkins.
Thanks for listening.
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