August 26, 2025 • 54 mins
From the rolling hills of Scotland to the hallowed circle of the Grand Ole Opry, Callum Kerr's musical journey defies conventional paths. Our conversation reveals the beautiful synchronicity of events that led this actor-turned-country artist to find his true calling.
Callum shares how his musical awakening happened at 17 when a Texas sports camp job unexpectedly introduced him to country music. "I was just blown away," he recalls of hearing artists like Dierks Bentley and Zac Brown Band for the first time. "This is the sound that I've been looking for." His authentic passion is palpable as he describes moving between acting jobs in the UK and musical adventures in the American South.
The pivotal turning point came when Callum landed a role as a Texas country singer on Fox's "Monarch" alongside Trace Adkins. Being in the studio with Nashville session players sparked something profound: "If I'm good enough to be in their TV show with a budget of 10 million per episode, maybe I could do this." This realization brought him to Nashville, where he immediately felt at home.
We dive deep into Callum's songwriting process, his philosophy of "best song wins" regardless of who wrote it, and the meaningful stories behind tracks like "Used to Love This Town" and "It Ain't Working" from his Dan Huff-produced EP. The conversation culminates with his emotional recounting of making his Grand Ole Opry debut—a dream realized on the very same day his EP was released.
Whether you're fascinated by the creative journey, drawn to authentic country storytelling, or simply love discovering artists on the rise, Callum's story will resonate. His final advice to his younger self speaks volumes: "If you like it, then it's cool. One day people are going to find that cool." Listen now and witness the beginning of what promises to be a remarkable career.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
you're listening to stories behind the songs with
chris blair.
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at sbt songs or check us out atchrisblaircom.
This week I'm sitting down withthis dude, that man.
You know I haven't really knownhim very long, but he's one of
(00:24):
those guys that I feel like I'veknown forever.
We met back at CMA Fest and wegot to sit down and dive a
little deeper today.
I am talking about Callum Kerr.
He just put out his new EP nottoo long ago.
He's had an Opry debut.
It just blowing up.
I love his voice, originallyscotland.
We're going to dive into all ofthat.
(00:45):
I just enjoyed this episode somuch and I hope you do too.
Let's get to it.
Here is column kerr.
Here we are back in nashvilleat the listening room.
Column kerr in the house.
How are you, bro?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm good man, I'm good it's been an exciting
couple months, yeah and uh, wefinally get to sit down and do
this, so yeah, yeah, things aregood man yeah, man, last time I
saw you, uh was cma fest.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We got to hang out for a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Uh, it was a blast of a week, oh my word yeah, and,
and I bet you were just mentalthat whole week.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's what like 15 minute segments with like 100
different artists yeah, plus uhhosting the show upstairs uh at
music city center, yeah.
So yeah, it was a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It was a whirlwind of a week, but uh always a good
time yeah, man, and you knoweveryone that comes to town has
a good time at cma fest and youget that energy, you know, from
playing it.
I've played down on thosestages so many times, but when
it's packed out with people thatare there for that thing, it's
just yeah, so much fun.
It was great, that was my firsttime doing CME.
Fest as well.
(01:47):
So, yeah, yeah, it was a blastman.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And when we uh, when we saw each other last, uh, your
EP was not out yet and it justcame out July 25th.
So congrats.
Yes, sir, yeah.
Thanks, man, finally we did it,we got it out there, uh, let's
just dive right into a song andthen we'll kind of talk about,
uh, how you got started in musicand all that.
But, um, let's, uh, let's diveinto, uh, uh, you know one one
(02:11):
of those uh tracks that, uh,you're really proud of and
absolutely man yeah, this one,um, I'm cool to touch.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Um, it's called used to love this town.
Um, and my buddy, ryan garrett,used to play at r rounds and uh
, I was like, dude, you got torelease this song.
He was like, nah, man, it'syour song.
Man, dude, I've been in lovewith it, you know, for a long
time and we we sent uh, dan Huffwas the producer of the of the
(02:38):
record and so I sent him like 50songs, him and his brother,
david, and uh, they just lovethe song.
I was so glad for my buddy,ryan as well, because, you know,
I think he's just such atalented dude and to be able to,
you know, have my buddies on myproject is kind of cool, yeah,
so, yeah, it's called Used toLove this Town.
Ryan gave me the song.
Basically, I changed a few ofthe lyrics around to kind of fit
(03:02):
my story in Texas and, yeah, itcame out on Friday.
Got on a fresh new find Spotify.
Let's go, it's number two upthere right now man, that's
great, yeah, so, yeah, so it'sgot a bunch of playlists and
yeah, I guess this is like alittle acoustic version you said
just first chorus, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah smoke when you're 17.
Just some hang around truckscranking mail and camp up taking
us another lap around mainstreet.
There's something differentabout this place.
Can't believe how much haschanged.
I used to love this town.
(04:01):
I used to these streets.
I used to tell myself no way inhell I'd ever lay.
I thought I'd settle down likemy daddy did Build a life, buy
some land, raise a couple kids.
Now I don't give a damn if theyburn the whole thing to the
(04:22):
ground If you ain't around.
I used to love this town.
Yeah man, yeah, Hell, yeah man.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oof.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Early to good morning , I know right.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I'm curious.
You know the story of you know,like diving into a story behind
, why you wrote a song, but whenit's a song like that that you
uh, that you've heard that youdidn't write um, what was it
about that song that justtouched you so much that you're
like dude, I gotta do this Imean everything from.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It was probably the melodies first.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know hearing that like uh I thought I'd settle
down like my daddy did.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's just like oh man , it just sounds nice on the ear
and, yeah, some of the like thelittle alliteration bits in the
, in the, in the verses, it kindof reminded me of a lot of
stuff that I listened to when Ifirst moved to texas and ryan's
a texas guy um, even that firstline, like that old texaco was
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the only place to go.
I just, I, I was hooked from thebeginning and, uh, I mean I
used to request that he playedit because I loved it so much
and uh, yeah, I think, uh, Ithink maybe the I can't remember
what lyrics exactly I changed,but there's a couple in each of
the verses just to kind of suitmy story from moving to texas at
17 and the way that I navigatedthat.
(05:44):
But I was like the chorus isperfect, yeah, and then it's the
sale, it's the big sellingpoint for the song.
So I was like I begged him toput it out and uh, he was like
no man, you put it up.
I was like okay, sure thing yeahso he handed me the uh, the
baton, and I uh took it fromthere man, it's a.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's a great song, um , and you've got so much going
on.
You, uh, you just talked abouthow you moved to texas from 17.
Let's go back to the beginning.
You're from scotland.
Uh, how was life growing up foryou?
Were you around music all thetime?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
yeah, I always played music, always sang, you know,
played the guitar.
Um, my dad, who is not, I guess, a musician, but he's, you know
, he's the guy that's alwaysplaying the drums on the
steering wheel and whistlingwhile he walks through the house
.
So it was just, it was alwaysthere, you know, and when I say
whistling when he walks throughthe house, I mean all the time,
you know, it's just, it's almostlike a habit and he's, you know
(06:37):
, he's clearly musical becausehe can do everything on tune and
he can play the drums well, onthe steering wheel.
But it was just kind of alwaysaround, music was always playing
, whether it was in the car orjust in the kitchen or whatever,
but never country music, whichis funny.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think we talked during CMA Fest like you grew up
with, like Green Day and likethose kind of influences.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, I mean when I was real young, before I had the
choice.
You know, it was a lot of radioin the uk at the time and that
was like spice girls and uh, Idon't know.
We had a band, jamiroquai, anddo you remember?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
jamiroquai no, they might just be in uk.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But it was that very kind of like either boy bandy,
girl bandy stuff or like kind offunky poppy, like maybe early
maroon five type thing, and Ihated it, I hated it all I hated
it and it was just too cornyfor me.
And then I found those, thoselike punk teenage bands that
were like f the system, greenday, fallout boy, nickelback um,
(07:36):
you know my chemical romanceand I just thought the music was
way cooler than the stuff I waslistening to on the radio.
So I I got real obsessed withthat and of course, like every
you know teenage white boy,there was a lot of Eminem
sprinkled in there as well.
You know my mother would belike darn it down your
grandmother's here.
All this cursing and swearingand so, and then that kind of
(07:58):
led to, I guess, through Eminem,I found like D12 and 50 Cent
and the Game and stuff like that, and so I never was interested
in writing music, I just likedlistening to it.
But I didn't like that stuffenough to be like I want to do
that as a career, um.
And then I got a job in Texasat 17, working at a sports camp
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in the hill country in Texas, um, and I, before I went, my boss
had said do you know any countrymusic?
And I was like, not really, youknow, nine to five maybe.
Um, man, I feel like a womanand that was about it, you know.
And he was like, right, well,here's like 20 quintessential
country songs to learn beforeyou get here.
And, dude, I was just blownaway.
(08:43):
I was like that's it, that's,this is the sound that I've been
looking for.
It's called those rock aspects.
Yeah, um, but the lyrics areall are amazing and it's catchy
and it's it's you could listento this on the radio, but it's
not cheese right up in your face, you know.
And so that was kind of 2011,.
(09:04):
Jason Aldean, dierks, bentley,luke Bryan, those kinds of guys,
and so that was the firstcountry that I was exposed to
and then, obviously, you know,after that, I was like right,
I'm going way back, I'm going tofind out the roots and, you
know, started listening to stufffrom the 60s and just come up,
(09:24):
yeah, catch back up with myself.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
What were some of your favorites back then?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Dierks Bentley was my first favorite country artist.
Zac Brown Band were obviouslyhuge at the time.
I think Chicken Fried was oneof those quintessential country
songs to know.
But yeah, I think Zac BrownBand was the first one I was
exposed to.
I was like damn, toes in thewater.
I was like this is like crazy.
I first got to texas I hadnever smoked weed before and one
(09:53):
of my buddies was like here manand I, you know, I took one
puff and I was like whoa, that'scrazy.
And then someone played thattoes in the water song and I was
like this is crazy good manthat probably helped.
But yeah, dierks Bentleyprobably was my first favorite
artist.
5150 was my alarm clock for awhile and then I started hating
(10:15):
it because it was my alarm clockso I had to change the alarm
clock.
But yeah, I'd say yeah, dierksBentley and I'm trying to think
like Florida Georgia Line werehuge at the time with you know,
baby, you're a song.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You make me want to roll my windows down.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So it was all those songs and, yeah, I was just
obsessed as soon as I heard them.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Was there a big culture shock for you moving
from Scotland to Texas?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, I'd already taken family vacations.
My dad had friends just outsideDC, in Northern Virginia, so
I'd gone there a bunch when Iwas a kid.
So I kind of knew the Americanculture.
And actually that was thereason I applied for a job in
the States was because I lovedit.
The first time I came toAmerica it felt more like the,
(11:02):
not more like home, because itwas.
It was an.
It was an alien culture to mefrom growing up in Scotland.
But the way that people are inthe states is everyone's very
kind of enthusiastic and evensometimes, if it comes across as
fake, I just loved it.
You know, like the store clerk,like have a great day no one
does that in Scotland.
You know everyone's like allright next, you know, and so I,
(11:26):
just I was, I was obsessed withthe states.
I loved the, you know from themusic and the tv shows.
When I was a kid and and beingthere, my dad's friend had a
pool in his garden.
That was.
You know, that was crazy for me.
No one has a pool in Scotland.
That's too cold really.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
Yeah, so I came to texas.
So I, I knew that I knew theamerican way.
But, um, texas is obviouslyjust that, on steroids, you know
(11:51):
it's uh, everything's biggerand crazier and uh, you know it
took me a while to adapt to thebeing way out in the country
culture, because I'd been to alot of American cities but I
hadn't been two hours away fromone.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And yeah, what part of Texas were you in?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It was in, uh, it was in Hunt, texas, or Ingram, uh,
which is just outside ofKerrville, in the hill country,
which is where they just hadthat flood.
So, um, yeah, you know I'vebeen praying for them but, uh,
luckily I think that the boyscamp that I worked at was safe.
But yeah, I mean just, you know, you're 30 minutes from a store
(12:32):
if you have a car, and I didn'thave a car, so you know, I just
had to bum rides to the storeand it was great.
There's this bass player thatworked at the kids camp.
He was retired but he was inthe.
He's in that like the blueshall of fame.
His name is junior pernatus andhe was.
He was one of those guys thatdone like the, from chicago down
(12:52):
through memphis trails back inthe like 50s, 60s, 70s, and he
just worked at sports camp inthe summer because he liked to
teach kids how to play music andhe would go play on a sunday at
the one of the local churchesto in this tiny town you could
go and hear one of the bestblues bass players of all time.
That is crazy man music on aSunday, so yeah, as soon as I
(13:15):
got there, it was just there wasmusic everywhere yeah it was.
I had no choice.
I was like this is the best,yeah so all right.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
So you're growing up, uh, and not listening or liking
any kind of country.
You get to texas 17, um.
Where was that shift for you?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
uh, once you started listening to dirks and all of
them, where you decided like,hey, I want to do this as a
career so I mean, because Iplayed the guitar growing up, I
immediately immediately startedplaying those songs just in my
bedroom or singing them in thecar and I guess I just
automatically tried to soundlike them.
(13:56):
So I kind of put on thatcountry accent when I sang and a
lot of British people kind ofput on a soft American accent
when they sing anyway.
But I loved country music,loved the twang, so I kind of
just copied those guys and so Ijust played it for ages, played
it for my friends.
When I went back to ScotlandI'm like check this music out
and I'm like you know, oh, howyou sparkle and oh how you shine
(14:18):
.
And they're like what the hellis that accent man?
And I was like this music's thebest, and now they're all
obsessed with it as well.
Um, but I think that shift wasI was doing some acting at the
same time as as living in thethe states, so I'd go back to
the uk to do an acting job andthen, as soon as I'd cash my
check and come back to texasbecause I just, you know, I
loved living there.
Um, and I got an opportunity toaudition for a show called
(14:42):
monarch which was on fox, and uh, trace at Atkins was one of the
leads on the show and they sentme an audition to play a Texas
country singer and so I put onan accent.
I was like, hey, my name'sCallum Kerr, I'm auditioning for
the role of Wade Stellings.
They bought it and I had to dothree songs for the audition.
(15:03):
I did Cover Me up by JasonIsbell.
I did uh am I the only one?
By Dierks Bentley, and I thinkI did a modern one like a, like
a wallen song or something likethat.
And uh, there was some actualcountry artists that went for
that role that I guess I beatout for the role and and then I
(15:24):
got on set and we were, you know, singing country music, making
a show about country music.
It was already my passion.
And then I was in the studiodoing country covers and I was
like man, I think I could reallydo this.
I mean, if I'm good enough insomeone else's eyes to be in
their TV show that's got abudget of like 10 million per
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episode, I'm like maybe I coulddo this.
And so when I was in the studiofor that show, all the players
were from Nashville and theywere like, dude, if you love it
this much, you gotta seeNashville.
And from being in Texas, thereis a bit of a rivalry there.
And everyone in Texas told me,oh, nashville's, you know bs
(16:06):
it's all dolly partonimpersonators and big wigs, and
you know it's terrible.
And so I'd never felt the needto to go to nashville because
austin was.
You know I'd moved into austinby then.
But austin was so fun and youknow I wasn't pursuing country
music, dude, the moment I had myboots touched the ground in
nashville I was like, well, thisis where I need to be.
(16:26):
And I'd never written a songbefore, but I was like I'm going
to work out how to write a songand started writing, started
learning how to, you know,produce little demos.
It was like it was almost likethe show was like the catalyst.
It was like I don't know youknow God's plan and that show
only did one season.
It wasn't very good in the end,unfortunately.
(16:49):
You know.
The music was amazing, but thescript, you know, we had to redo
it a bunch of times and I thinkyou know it was a show about
country music, written bysomeone from new york and
produced by people from la.
Yeah it.
Just they didn't get it.
They didn't get the thing, um,but that that felt like it was
you know god or the universe'sway of of getting me to
(17:10):
nashville, and I was like I kindof accidentally stumbled across
what I think is is now my kindof calling, you know, um, so a
weird way to get here, but, um,you know it's along.
Every step along the way wasjust fueled by, like, the
passion for the one thing whichis, you know, the music.
Yeah, dude, I love that.
Yeah, obsessed man, Obsessed.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I want to dive a little deeper into when you
first started writing and kindof building your camp.
But let's get into another songAgain.
Your EP just dropped, July 25th, and you had a lot of great
things happen that day, which Iwant to talk about here in a
little bit.
But what's another song off ofthat EP that you wrote?
And let's dive into the storybehind that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I did one called it Ain't Working, which
is kind of my rock song, and Iwrote that with John Pierce and
Maiko Wilshire.
I was jamming out to that songon the way in today.
Oh, hell yeah.
What did you think?
I love it, man.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
The whole EP is great man.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You can tell there was a lot of thought and I
didn't know how many songs youwent through.
That would have been one of myquestions.
But when you said earlier thatyou sent like 50 songs to Dan or
something like that, to pickthose six, six, it was just like
, yeah, I mean you couldlistening from top to bottom, um
, which I've done a couple timesnow.
It's like just flows reallywell and thanks, man, it's a,
(18:32):
it's a story to introduce you,man, I love it yeah, thanks,
dude.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That was part.
There were so many good songs.
You know, there was some wherewe took an outside cut, where I
had a song that I'd written thatwe thought was just as good or
had just as much potential.
But we wanted, I wanted to dothe classic country thing, kind
of like how Post Malone I lovedthe way that he released his
album because he just he workedwith all the people that had
(18:56):
different, yeah, types ofcountry music and he released
different types of songs.
I was, I want, I want a song.
One song's about heartbreak,because if you've just been
broken up with, and the next oneis about how you're so in love
and you know it doesn't have tobe just what's going on in your
life right now.
It's like a little picture bookof, like, all these different
moments.
Yeah, and so this one was.
(19:17):
I went through a classic.
How many times you heard thison the stage?
I went through a breakup and Iwas drinking too much classic.
How many times you heard this onthe stage?
I went through a breakup and Iwas drinking too much, um, but I
, you know, it really happenedand I, I went through this
breakup.
I was filming something inatlanta at the time and, uh, I
was like, right, I'm not gonnadrink, I'm gonna get through
(19:38):
this the proper way.
And my buddies were like tohell with that.
We're taking you out and we'regetting you hammered and you're
going to do this theold-fashioned way.
And so that you know, I dranktequila for like three months
straight and it worked.
You know, I got over.
I got over it, um, but when Iwas talking to john and micah
about this song, we were likeyou know what, if it was that
(19:59):
bad that it didn't work?
And so we came up with thetitle it ain't working.
And uh, and this is how it goes.
Um, I'm gonna play a kind ofstripped back version of it
because it's quite yeah, youknow quite uh rocky and
energetic, but uh, somethinglike I wasn't trying to get here
(20:22):
at the bottom of anothernothing empty glass.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Time heals the pain, they say.
But the problem is tonight itain't looking like that.
The door hit the frame, yourfoot hit the floor and, sorry,
never stood a chance at turningyou back, ain't ever stood a
chance at turning you back.
And this heart's working hardon a midnight shift and the
(20:49):
paycheck's whiskey burning.
I almost get you going andthink I'm done with thee, but
your memory's pouring on thehurting.
This bottle had one damn job todo.
Just had to get me over you,but it ain't working.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It ain't working something like that yeah, man,
um, yeah, so the voice is a bit.
It's 9, 30 in the morning ifyou're watching this.
Yeah, it's a bit shaky still,but uh, if, if I might uh just
play one little line from the uhfrom the second verse this is
my favorite line.
This was a john pierce line.
Um, I I just, I just thoughtthis was so genius when he did
(21:35):
it and and this is why, aswriters, we we co-write all the
time, because you have this ideain your head and maybe a melody
and maybe some lyrics, and thensomeone drops a line and you're
just like I would never havefound that on my own.
So it goes.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I'm staring down doubles and the devil is talking
like we're making friends.
I'm looking up from a deep holeand the shovel is here in my
own two hands something likethat yeah, I'm looking up from a
deep hole and the shovel ishere in my own two hands.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Man, it's like I would never have found that,
yeah it's a great line, man,yeah, so that was a, like I said
, john pierce he's a he's akiller writer man, and and uh,
I've written another song withhim that I think is going to
come out on the next EP as well.
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Speaker 1 (23:04):
So let's dive into.
You know, when you first movedhere and you were starting to
write, what did you do?
A lot of people that listen,you know, are new writers to
town, or maybe they've been herefor a while and they're still
trying to build their camp, orwhatever.
What did you do to get out andmeet people and build that camp?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So yeah, didn't know anybody.
I think the first place I wentwas I lived in an apartment
opposite tin roof and just foundtin roof great place to network
just walk down this.
I mean, you know what it's like.
Walk down the street inNashville, you'll finally hear
some music.
And so, yeah, I went in there.
(23:46):
There was three people playing.
One of the guys, uh, that wasplaying he was just playing the
guitar for one of the artists.
There's a guy called JustinLove who I wrote a song.
I wrote my first song inNashville, called Tequila
Therapy, which I put out.
I think I think it's got abouta million streams now, which is
funny, because I look at thelyrics sometimes and I'm like,
oh my God, what the hell was Iwriting?
Like you know, it was just myfirst attempt to write a song.
(24:08):
Some of it was pretty bad, but,uh, justin definitely helped me
polish it up.
I came to him with like a verseand a chorus type thing, yeah,
an idea for a bridge, and hekind of helped me glue it all
together.
Um, but, yeah, that was it.
I just I went up to him afterthe round and I was like, dude,
you're awesome at the guitar,I've got this song that I need
(24:28):
help with, type thing, and hewas like, yeah, man, I'll be
over there.
What did you do on Tuesday?
And so I think you do have tobe.
You have to kind of pushyourself to be a bit of an
extrovert.
At first Just go and talk to asmany people as you can.
But I think the rounds going tothe writer's rounds is a great
way to meet other writers.
(24:50):
And once you're going, you knowI'd start off with those free
ones, like you know, tin Roofand Live Oak and stuff like that
.
And then you know, once you'vewritten I don't think there's a
number, but once you'recomfortable in the room writing
with guys that are, you know,playing those rounds, then get
yourself to the listening roomor the Bluebird Cafe and after
(25:11):
the show, if you hear a songthat you like, most writers will
give you the time of day.
You can say I'm writing all thetime, I'm working on trying to
get a pub deal and I love thatsong that you did.
I'd love to get in the roomwith you sometimes, and
sometimes they'll be like, ohyeah, sure, and then you'll
(25:31):
never hear from them again.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It's part of the game .
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know you gotta have thick skin in this industry
anyway.
You might as well startpracticing.
Yeah, you know, um, but yeah,that's I think, get to the
rounds.
And then also, I mean, I'veshamelessly dm'd so many writers
, just being like dude, I lovethe work you did on that song.
Let's write sometime.
Has it ever worked?
It's like I, I guess 30%probably.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, that's higher than I thought, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Most people, if they see it, will get back to you.
But you know, sometimes you'llsee that they've not even seen
it.
I'm sure they've got a requestline that's 400 deep.
So, especially those guys thatyou know, they write a hit song
(26:14):
and then all of a sudden theirinbox is full of you know,
people.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, I don't think ashley gorley's checking his dms
to see who he's gonna writewith no, no, I only send him
naked pictures that might workactually yeah, anything to get
his attention actually, yeah, um, yeah, I don't know what about
you?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
what do you think?
Um, obviously you speak to alot of people on this couch.
Have you heard any good advicefor um, everybody, everybody
kind of?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
says the same thing.
You know there's differentpaths, but yeah, I mean, it is a
town that you have to havethick skin, and I agree, I mean
you just have to get out andnetwork.
And you know, the advice that Itell a lot of new riders that
come talk to me is like findyour camp, but also don't set in
on a camp too early.
(26:49):
Like you know, write withanybody and everybody that you
can, because you never know.
Yeah, and man, there's so many,there's so many camps that I
have seen in the last 20 yearsof having the listening room is
like you know where it's likethese three or four guys that
write all the time together andnone of them have even a cut.
(27:11):
You know, and then all of asudden, 10 years later, those
same three or four guys are onhalf of the songs that are on
the top 20.
Yeah, and they're still allwriting together.
You know, and it's just.
You know it's so, but, um, Imean the I love, uh, you know,
even even guys like, uh, MarkIrwin, Kent Blasey, like some of
(27:34):
those guys that have massivehits and have been writing for a
long time.
Um, I've been at shows herewhere I've seen new writers come
to town and they go up and likeyou, and they've got got.
They've got the thick skin towalk up to somebody like that
and go.
Dude, that was a great show.
Like I'd love to write numberone yeah and uh guys like that
(27:58):
will be like, yeah, man, andpull and literally pull their
phone out and be like what let'stalk about?
Look, look at calendars.
Like book it right.
Then it's like man, like I love, I love that, you know so's
cool.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That's another thing about Nashville.
It's because it's acollaborative process to make
music, from writing to producingand mixing and mastering and
then putting it out.
No, you know, I'm sure peoplehave stories of the one guy that
was an asshole to them, butmost of the people that work
here in this town want to get onwith their peers and their
(28:29):
counterparts.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
They all say have a good day, have a good day yeah,
yeah, you know it's thatNashville touch yeah absolutely,
and you know I've got like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
A good example is I've got a Scottish buddy who
he's from Scotland doing countrymusic.
We've written a bunch of songstogether.
We've released one togetherChris Andrucci his name is.
We did Tamed by Tennessee.
We I almost feel like you knowI've had some experience in the
acting world is there and itwould almost be you never know.
(29:01):
Chris is a great guy, so I'mnot saying it would be him, but
if I went to LA and there wasanother Scottish guy that was
trying to do the same thing hewas trying to be the scottish
actor in la it might be like, uh, if you make it then then
you're taking my place, typething.
Yeah, but chris and I I meanfrom the moment I got here,
actually another tin roof story.
I met him at tin roof just inthe.
It was actually in the bathroom, which is weird, but I was like
(29:24):
, tell me about that story?
well, I'm just kidding, I waspeeing.
He said, nice, no, I'm kidding,yeah, I just bumped into him
and I said, oh sorry, mate.
Anyway, I enabled her and I waslike, oh, you're Scottish.
And he's like, yeah, I was like, right, go pee, I'll speak to
you at the bar.
And so he came up to me at thebar and I was like you know what
(29:45):
are you doing here?
And then I realized thatsomeone had told me about him at
Losers, you know.
Someone said, oh, you got tomeet Chris.
Anyway, we just became, you know, best buds and we've written a
bunch of songs together.
He's written songs that I'veput out.
I've written songs that he'sput out.
We put out a song together.
So that, I feel, is how thiswhole town operates.
You want your buddy to do well.
(30:09):
If you write a great song withyour buddy and he wants to put
it out, you don't go.
No, no, I'm keeping that for me.
You go yeah, because if you dowell, then everyone's going to
know that I was the writer onthat song.
Um, so, yeah, man, I'm likeblushing about nashville right
now.
You know what I mean.
I just I love this place.
It's, it's the best man it is,it is the best.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Um, let's uh.
You want to dive into anothersong, are you?
Uh, or do you?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
want to talk about what else happened on july 25th
um well, I guess what I could dois I could play one of the
other song that I, because Iplayed, used to love.
This time I play the other song, um yeah it's called all out of
me and uh dust.
And Dustin Lynch was actually aco-writer on this one and he was
(30:54):
the guy that invited me to goplay the Opry.
He was like you know just, hewas number one when I moved to
this town with his.
What's the duet song that hehad with?
Oh my God, I'm blanking what'sthat?
What's the duet song that hehad, um with uh, oh, my god, I'm
(31:15):
blanking.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
What's that dustin lynch song?
It was on the radio.
I was just thinking about thatweekend.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, dude, my truck didn't have bluetooth.
When I first moved to town, Ihad this old dodge ram, and so I
just listened to country radioall the time.
That song played eight times aday, and then for that guy to be
the guy, that's, you know.
Hey, man, you want to come playthe opry?
It was crazy, dude.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah uh, did you?
Did you know him um before thissong?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
no, well, just just from the radio.
Yeah, yeah, um, uh, so yeah,that that was a crazy full
circle moment for for him to bethe one, obviously Opry member.
But for the guy that was, youknow, number one when I moved to
this town, yeah, crazy.
I met him at a.
He had another number I meanthe guy's got like 10 number
ones at this point but he hadanother number one after that
(32:05):
one I can't remember what, maybesmall town boy or something
like that and I went to hisnumber one party.
I went as a plus one withsomeone else and that one, I
can't remember what, maybe smalltown boy or something like that
and I went to his number oneparty.
I went as a plus one withsomeone else, and that's where I
met him for the first time.
And, dude, same thing.
The guy was celebrating hiseighth number one.
But couldn't have been moredown to earth, couldn't have
been just more of a normal guy?
Yeah, and, you know, handsomeas hell, which is annoying.
(32:26):
You know, yeah, couldn't havebeen more of a down-to-earth
dude and, uh, I guess I learneda little bit about about his
backstory.
It turns out he's super smart.
I think he trained to be adoctor or something like that.
Or he got a doctorate degreeand then decided to do country
music, which is crazy.
(32:47):
Man, you're smart enough to dothat.
You should have done that.
That was a safe route, but hewas like no, he's doing all
right yeah, he's.
Uh, he's just one of those guys,man, he's just got it, yeah,
anyway.
So this is called all out of me.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Um, I'm trying to I was a double shot of makers, a
last call mistake-er a.
(33:20):
Friday night heartbreaker.
Before you I was an outskirtstowner.
Goodbye on the counter.
I never settled down or beforeyou took the roll out the stone,
the gone out the leaf.
(33:41):
You took the water way out myboots, girl.
You put some roots under meBecause you saw the man this
cowboy could be With one littlelook baby.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You took it all out of me, all out of me.
Yeah, man Was Jimmy Robbins, awriter on that song too, he sure
was, and he did another song onmy EP as well.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
He did Silver Linings .
Yeah, he's class.
I did Silver Linings, yeah,he's class.
I mean, I'm trying to.
I put out two of his songs andhe's like yeah, man let's get in
the room, let's write anotherone.
It's hard to get him down, man.
His schedule is crazy becausehe's just.
You know what.
He's the man.
He's the man, he's oneverything at the moment.
(34:35):
And you know he's the man, he'sthe man, he's on everything at
the moment, and so I'll get backin with him at some point.
Yeah, what a dude, and I justfeel you know.
So fortunate that you knowthese songs were.
They were like.
We trust you.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, you know what is the what's the story behind
that song?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
That song.
So that's another outside cut.
Yeah, like I said, dustin Lynchis a co-writer and Jimmy Rot.
There was a third, I can'tremember, I'll have to look it
up, but that one was pitched byI can't remember who's publicist
(35:13):
.
But when I first startedwriting, I signed with this
management company and Istupidly signed the rights to
some of the music.
So there's a lot of my oldsongs that I had to kind of
leave behind, and so we startedtaking some outside pitches,
(35:33):
which I just feel so lucky to beable to do.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
A lot of artists are like I'm only going to release
my own songs yeah, you're rightyeah um I think it's really good
that you you look at it in thatway and, like you were saying
earlier, you had a song that youwould have put out on the ep
you thought was good enough, andthen you start listening
outside cuts.
There's a lot, a lot of newwriters or new artists.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Uh, don't do that yeah, well, I, from the
beginning I always just had themindset with Dan and David,
tough.
Best song wins, yeah, and youknow, like I said, you know
there was, we wanted, you know,heartbreak, love, you know
making love, drinking song,whatever we wanted to hit all
those things, but within thoselittle subcategories, best song
(36:11):
wins.
And that song, just about youknow, being a bit of a, a bit of
a boy, you know a bit of a, arambling man and then finding
that girl.
I was like that, that is mystory.
You know, I've traveled allacross the world and all across
america and I've never reallysettled down, never really found
love.
And then, you know, threemonths into being in nashville,
(36:34):
meet this girl and, uh, you know, become all mushy and, you know
, gimpy about it.
That song, like I was a doubleshot of makers, is the opening
line.
I was like, come on, man, yeah,a last call mistaker, friday
night, heartbreaker before youdude.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I was like those are jimmy lines right there, fire
right there and uh again.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I probably had a song that was was similar, but I
just those metaphors.
I was like, man, if you guystrust me with the song, I
promise you know it's going tobe a single, it's going to be.
You know, for for a long timeit was my favorite song, um, and
so, damn, I was about to saysomething else about it, um, but
I felt like I felt like I don'thave to write it, but it has to
(37:21):
.
I still have to relate to it.
You know, if it was a songabout growing up in in Louisiana
, I'm not going to cut it.
It might be an amazing song,but it does still have to mean
something to me.
And that song, I was like, howare you writing so well about my
life?
I wasn like, how are youwriting so well about my life?
I wasn't.
I wasn't even there in the room, you know, um, and so I'm just,
I'm just, I feel lucky thatthey trusted me enough to to
(37:41):
take it and, you know, make itmy own.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Um yeah.
I love that.
By the way, I haven't uhmentioned this on uh a few
episodes probably, but, um,we've got the fire truck that
just drove by.
So you know, we got to a pointwhere in the beginning of this,
we were like, all right, stop,we got to edit this out and now
it's just a thing.
I think they test their sirensat like 10 o'clock in the
(38:06):
morning or something, because,like, I don't hear them all day,
except for when we're doing thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, they wait for you to start the podcast.
Yeah yeah, let's just doublecheck we'll.
We'll hear it in the nextepisode and if we can hear it,
then it's working.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Everybody that's listening to this podcast that
uh has been listening for awhile is probably laughing
because it's just, it's kind ofbecome a thing.
It's like, well, we're gonnaget at least one in an episode
yeah like the.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Do you live anywhere near the train tracks in
nashville?
No, it's white noise to me now,but anyone that visits me and
stays at my house is like thattrain.
How do you sleep at night?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
and I'm like you get used to it, yeah I grew up uh
and uh, we didn't live by one,but my, uh, my great grandma, uh
, lived in illinois right by atrain track and it was the same
thing, like I'd go out there alot in the summers and yeah just
a few nights you're like, oh myword, and we're?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
we used to be closer.
I was in east nashville, rightby the train tracks, um, and at
the crossings I think they haveto to their horn.
In case anyone's, you know,thinking about crossing, that
has to be the reason, otherwisethose train drivers are just
dicks yeah, yeah, and they'rejust doing it on purpose.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I think it's.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
It must be when they're going, they're
approaching a crossing, so thatno one you know mistakenly pulls
out or whatever.
But yeah, first few months Iwas like damn.
Now I'm further away from thetracks so I don't hear it really
at all.
Like I said, it's like whitenoise, but my dad's been staying
this week and he's like thatbloody train um all right, let's
(39:39):
talk about so, uh, uh, so, thatsong written by dustin.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You guys get to know each other and then you get to
put your ep out.
July 25th uh, we had a showhere at the listening room, uh,
around the same time, aroundthat same week and got to
celebrate with you and then thatnight that your EP comes out,
talk to me about walking intothat circle at the Opry.
(40:07):
Oh, dude.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Like I said, I hadn't really listened to much country
music growing up.
I knew what the Grand Ole Oprywas growing up.
That's how big it is.
I mean, yeah, I saw old videosof the old guys, the oldies, the
crooners, the originalsongwriters of Nashville,
playing there with their bighats and stuff like that.
(40:34):
I mean it's just somehow iteven made it to Scotland before
the actual genre itself did.
And then, obviously, moving here, I never even knew it was a
possibility anytime soon.
I thought I'd have to have anumber one and be doing a
stadium tour to even have theopportunity to jump on that
stage.
And I went there maybe 18months ago and and I did the wsm
(41:01):
radio show with aaron who'sawesome show.
Aaron, she's uh, she's alwayshad me on for every kind of
single release and stuff withoutit.
She's great, um, but uh, didwsm.
And then aaron gave us a littlekind of private tour of the
dressing rooms and the stage andeverything and I just refused
to step in the circle to take apicture because I was like I'm
(41:21):
not stepping in that circleuntil I'm invited.
So, man, it was crazy.
I actually stepped in at firstduring soundcheck, obviously
because the mic's already set upand stuff, and so it was nice
to have that moment privatelywith the house band who are just
just, they've all been therefor like 20 years, killers.
Yeah, um, they, they make, theymake this song, this song on
(41:43):
stage sound like the recordscrazy, all the tones and
everything they nailed, um.
But yeah, I had that littlekind of private moment, uh,
during sound check, and then youknow all the house lights are
on and everything, and then youknow the big moment comes.
You're backstage, the person onbefore you is killing it and
you're like, oh, my god, don'tforget the lyrics.
(42:06):
And uh, you know, luckily, youknow, unlike this morning, I'd
warmed up and you know I had thevoice was feeling good, um,
stepped in the circle, kind of.
It was like a dream state forthe first minute and a half and
then I kind of cooled down andjust started enjoying it.
Second song was just, you know,it's like your first song.
(42:29):
You're nervous and then all ofa sudden it's your last song.
You're like I gotta enjoy it.
You know I've only got the restof this song to go, but it was
great.
The crowd was reallyinteractive.
I couldn't see many of thecrowds.
You know, I've only got therest of this song to go, but it
was great.
The crowd was reallyinteractive.
I couldn't see many of thecrowd you know a couple in the
front row and some of the wings,but you could see the shadows
of people all the way up thereby far the biggest crowd that
I've played to so far as well.
So, yeah, it was a dreamlikestate the whole time.
(42:51):
I was stage and, uh, man, it'sweird to get off and I'm just
you're just like, when can I dothat again?
I think, uh, you know, I don'tknow if or when it'll happen,
but man, it was, yeah, I have afeeling it will.
Yeah, well, they did say thatI'm calling them out now.
They said they were like oh,you know, we'll have to have you
back sometime and I was likewhat are you doing next week?
(43:13):
Yeah, and they were like getthe calendars out.
Yeah, yeah, when are you free?
But it was cool.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Let's talk about my gold name on that wall.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
So when can I become a member?
That's the real question.
But yeah, it was crazy.
It was crazy.
Have you been there?
Have you played it?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Oh, yeah, many times.
Yeah, um, I uh, actually, uh,the first time that I was
invited backstage.
My, my wife's uncle, um, hasbeen the stage manager at the
Opry for I think like 30 yearsnow.
Um, uh, but I got invited umyears ago and, uh, Charlie
(43:53):
Daniels was playing that nightand, uh, my daughter was three,
um, maybe two, uh, andintroduced her and I've got a
picture of her in my arms, likesticking her hand out and
charlie reaching over, likeshaking her hand, just looking
in her eyes, like I'm just it'slike one of my most special
(44:17):
moments.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Someone got a picture of it right at that time Wow.
I mean that would be you couldsell that in the, you know
Country Music Hall of Fame giftshop.
You know that's so special man.
And what you said about yousaid your wife's uncle yeah,
working there for 30 years.
Everyone in the band, everyonein the tech squad, all the
(44:42):
riggers, all of them have workedthere forever.
You can tell that it's a greatplace to work.
And I was talking to one of theguys, one of the I can't
remember one of the sound guys Ithink.
I was like all of you guys haveworked here forever and he's
like it's nowhere bigger.
Why would you ever leave?
I'm like, yeah, you're damnstraight.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
And they get to see all the music all the best music
in our genre.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
It's incredible, man.
Yeah, my friend, do you knowLauren Watkins?
I went to see her make herdebut it was like two weeks
before mine and did I was I wasas nervous for her as I was for
myself.
I was.
I know how great she is andshe's done.
(45:28):
You know, she's just a badass.
She's done tours walling andshe's gonna with Laney, I think,
this fall.
I mean, she's so good.
But I knew that even thoughshe'd done those stadiums, she
was still more nervous for thisstage.
And uh, me and she she went tocollege with, with my fiance,
that's, that's so.
My fiance is not in music atall.
(45:50):
They were just roommates forfour years and uh, we were just
like holding each other, like ohmy god, here she is, here she
is, and she killed it, of course.
And then I had that suddenrealization.
I was like, oh, shoot, that'sme.
It's like two weeks, oh my god,how am I gonna do this?
But you just put one foot infront of the other and you just
force yourself in there and thenyeah well, man, I'm so happy
(46:13):
for you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You've got so much going on and I'm so glad that
the EP is out now and canintroduce the world to what
we've known here in town for awhile.
Thank you, dude.
What's next for you?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
A couple of acting jobs coming up which, annoyingly
, they never let me talk aboutthem.
But there's more acting stuffcoming.
The one that I can talk aboutis One Piece, season 2, which is
a live action of a Japaneseanime which is killing it.
(46:51):
It's got the biggest fan base.
I had no idea about it before Idid it and now I've kind of
been learning about that world.
So we're doing the live actionof that that comes out.
They just said 2026.
And then, music-wise, I'm goingto let this album do its thing.
You know, keep pushing it anddoing all the social media stuff
(47:12):
, and you know I'm still writingloads of songs.
I have a potential cut a holdwith uh, with someone big again,
can't talk about it until theytake it, but uh, that's my first
kind of big artist hold youtalk about, uh, you gotta have
thick skin in nashville.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That's exactly like yeah, I have a song I wrote, uh,
maybe a month ago, and massive,massive artist uh hasn't even
put it on hold, but we've heardthat like and he's cutting right
now and it's like, hey, heloves this song.
It's like okay, and you know,it's just like, and it's just
(47:50):
that, waiting and waiting andwaiting.
It's like man, yeah, it's sohard.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
But you know, and, and all you do is set it, forget
it.
Yep, go on to the next, that'sright.
Try and write a better one, orone that's equally as good, or
one that's different.
You know it's.
Uh, it's the best man, and thefact that we get to do what we
love um is is that's what it'sall about.
Yeah, you know.
(48:15):
You know, I think the littlewins you know the cut with this
guy, or you know putting out analbum and getting on a playlist
or getting a bunch of streamsthose are just the little wins
to keep you going, you know, tokeep mouths fed and the
electricity on.
You know it doesn't reallymatter, we'd all do this for
(48:35):
free.
Yeah, and so you know itdoesn't really matter, we'd all
do this for free, and so youknow it's, it's such a blessing
that we get to do this and uh,dude, we got to sit down and
write one one time.
I feel like we got to.
Uh, you know next, if there isa next time, we'll see, but you
know, next time we're on, we canplay the song.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, dude, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
That'd be awesome, man, yeah sweet.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, are you?
Uh, are you going out on theroad at?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
all.
Uh, yeah, so I, I took on theseguys, these booking agents, and
, um, they're awesome.
They've already started talkingto some places in texas, uh,
oklahoma, arkansas.
Uh, right now I'm waiting forthe contract to come through for
the acting job before I can setthe dates for the music stuff.
(49:16):
But yeah, definitely Texas, andwe'll see how much time is left
in the rest of the year.
I had an opportunity to go outand support I guess I probably
shouldn't talk about that either, but a good artist who's got a
bunch of fans.
So I thought that could be coolto kind of sprinkle in some
(49:38):
headliner stuff at some you know, smaller places and then go
play some arenas with, you know,with a big artist.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I got to hear more about this as soon as we hit.
Stop on that recording.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, I'll fill you in on everything, man.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well, dude, thanks.
Uh, well, dude, thanks againfor coming in.
Um, I always end, uh with thisquestion.
So if you can go back toscotland to eight-year-old you
oh man, you've put an ep out,you've played the opry, yeah,
you're making it.
What advice would you giveyourself today?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
would I give it eight-year-old?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
yeah, today.
What kind of advice would you?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
give yourself at eight.
I'd say, uh, I'd probably say,just, you know, if you like it,
then it's cool.
You know, don't worry about allthe people in the town Not like
.
You know, if you like singing,sing man.
You know, one day people aregoing to find that cool.
(50:38):
Your kids, your age, might notright now, but yeah, I did a lot
of bedroom singing back then.
Not a lot of people knew that Iwas singing as much as I was
and playing the guitar.
I couldn't really hide thatbecause I had to walk to school
with it, you know, swinging bymy side, um, but yeah, and then
I, I guess a piece of technicaladvice that would give eight
(50:58):
year old me slash anyone thatthat likes singing or playing
music.
Because I'd say, like, learnlogic or ableton or learn how to
produce as young as you can,when your brain is still able to
just pick things up real fast.
Um, you know, all you need isone of those little scarlet
interfaces and a cheap mic andyou can.
(51:20):
The world is your oyster, youcan do anything.
Great advice, yeah, yeah, yeah,I definitely started producing
too late and now my, my old assis like wait, what does this
button do you know?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I'm not gonna feel bad for you because you have dan
huff producing you, so youcan't.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, yeah I'll leave him and his pro tools to do
their thing.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that'scrazy man.
Yeah, that, that that is.
Yeah, I don't know what I didto deserve that, but I'm
thanking someone up there everyday, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, give them the glory Hell yeah, brother.
Well, dude, thanks again forcoming in, yeah, man.
It's been a blast man, and wewill have you back.
We'll have to talk abouteverything you know in a year or
so Hell yeah, how many timesyou've been back to the Opry.
How tour with this major artistis going like all these kind of
things it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
All right?
Yeah, dude, it was such apleasure.
Thank you again for having me,man.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
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This week I'm sitting down withthis dude, that man.
You know I haven't really knownhim very long, but he's one of
(00:24):
those guys that I feel like I'veknown forever.
We met back at CMA Fest and wegot to sit down and dive a
little deeper today.
I am talking about Callum Kerr.
He just put out his new EP nottoo long ago.
He's had an Opry debut.
It just blowing up.
I love his voice, originallyscotland.
We're going to dive into all ofthat.
(00:45):
I just enjoyed this episode somuch and I hope you do too.
Let's get to it.
Here is column kerr.
Here we are back in nashvilleat the listening room.
Column kerr in the house.
How are you, bro?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm good man, I'm good it's been an exciting
couple months, yeah and uh, wefinally get to sit down and do
this, so yeah, yeah, things aregood man yeah, man, last time I
saw you, uh was cma fest.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We got to hang out for a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Uh, it was a blast of a week, oh my word yeah, and,
and I bet you were just mentalthat whole week.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's what like 15 minute segments with like 100
different artists yeah, plus uhhosting the show upstairs uh at
music city center, yeah.
So yeah, it was a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It was a whirlwind of a week, but uh always a good
time yeah, man, and you knoweveryone that comes to town has
a good time at cma fest and youget that energy, you know, from
playing it.
I've played down on thosestages so many times, but when
it's packed out with people thatare there for that thing, it's
just yeah, so much fun.
It was great, that was my firsttime doing CME.
Fest as well.
(01:47):
So, yeah, yeah, it was a blastman.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And when we uh, when we saw each other last, uh, your
EP was not out yet and it justcame out July 25th.
So congrats.
Yes, sir, yeah.
Thanks, man, finally we did it,we got it out there, uh, let's
just dive right into a song andthen we'll kind of talk about,
uh, how you got started in musicand all that.
But, um, let's, uh, let's diveinto, uh, uh, you know one one
(02:11):
of those uh tracks that, uh,you're really proud of and
absolutely man yeah, this one,um, I'm cool to touch.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Um, it's called used to love this town.
Um, and my buddy, ryan garrett,used to play at r rounds and uh
, I was like, dude, you got torelease this song.
He was like, nah, man, it'syour song.
Man, dude, I've been in lovewith it, you know, for a long
time and we we sent uh, dan Huffwas the producer of the of the
(02:38):
record and so I sent him like 50songs, him and his brother,
david, and uh, they just lovethe song.
I was so glad for my buddy,ryan as well, because, you know,
I think he's just such atalented dude and to be able to,
you know, have my buddies on myproject is kind of cool, yeah,
so, yeah, it's called Used toLove this Town.
Ryan gave me the song.
Basically, I changed a few ofthe lyrics around to kind of fit
(03:02):
my story in Texas and, yeah, itcame out on Friday.
Got on a fresh new find Spotify.
Let's go, it's number two upthere right now man, that's
great, yeah, so, yeah, so it'sgot a bunch of playlists and
yeah, I guess this is like alittle acoustic version you said
just first chorus, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah smoke when you're 17.
Just some hang around truckscranking mail and camp up taking
us another lap around mainstreet.
There's something differentabout this place.
Can't believe how much haschanged.
I used to love this town.
(04:01):
I used to these streets.
I used to tell myself no way inhell I'd ever lay.
I thought I'd settle down likemy daddy did Build a life, buy
some land, raise a couple kids.
Now I don't give a damn if theyburn the whole thing to the
(04:22):
ground If you ain't around.
I used to love this town.
Yeah man, yeah, Hell, yeah man.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oof.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Early to good morning , I know right.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I'm curious.
You know the story of you know,like diving into a story behind
, why you wrote a song, but whenit's a song like that that you
uh, that you've heard that youdidn't write um, what was it
about that song that justtouched you so much that you're
like dude, I gotta do this Imean everything from.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It was probably the melodies first.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know hearing that like uh I thought I'd settle
down like my daddy did.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's just like oh man , it just sounds nice on the ear
and, yeah, some of the like thelittle alliteration bits in the
, in the, in the verses, it kindof reminded me of a lot of
stuff that I listened to when Ifirst moved to texas and ryan's
a texas guy um, even that firstline, like that old texaco was
(05:23):
the only place to go.
I just, I, I was hooked from thebeginning and, uh, I mean I
used to request that he playedit because I loved it so much
and uh, yeah, I think, uh, Ithink maybe the I can't remember
what lyrics exactly I changed,but there's a couple in each of
the verses just to kind of suitmy story from moving to texas at
17 and the way that I navigatedthat.
(05:44):
But I was like the chorus isperfect, yeah, and then it's the
sale, it's the big sellingpoint for the song.
So I was like I begged him toput it out and uh, he was like
no man, you put it up.
I was like okay, sure thing yeahso he handed me the uh, the
baton, and I uh took it fromthere man, it's a.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's a great song, um , and you've got so much going
on.
You, uh, you just talked abouthow you moved to texas from 17.
Let's go back to the beginning.
You're from scotland.
Uh, how was life growing up foryou?
Were you around music all thetime?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
yeah, I always played music, always sang, you know,
played the guitar.
Um, my dad, who is not, I guess, a musician, but he's, you know
, he's the guy that's alwaysplaying the drums on the
steering wheel and whistlingwhile he walks through the house
.
So it was just, it was alwaysthere, you know, and when I say
whistling when he walks throughthe house, I mean all the time,
you know, it's just, it's almostlike a habit and he's, you know
(06:37):
, he's clearly musical becausehe can do everything on tune and
he can play the drums well, onthe steering wheel.
But it was just kind of alwaysaround, music was always playing
, whether it was in the car orjust in the kitchen or whatever,
but never country music, whichis funny.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think we talked during CMA Fest like you grew up
with, like Green Day and likethose kind of influences.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, I mean when I was real young, before I had the
choice.
You know, it was a lot of radioin the uk at the time and that
was like spice girls and uh, Idon't know.
We had a band, jamiroquai, anddo you remember?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
jamiroquai no, they might just be in uk.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But it was that very kind of like either boy bandy,
girl bandy stuff or like kind offunky poppy, like maybe early
maroon five type thing, and Ihated it, I hated it all I hated
it and it was just too cornyfor me.
And then I found those, thoselike punk teenage bands that
were like f the system, greenday, fallout boy, nickelback um,
(07:36):
you know my chemical romanceand I just thought the music was
way cooler than the stuff I waslistening to on the radio.
So I I got real obsessed withthat and of course, like every
you know teenage white boy,there was a lot of Eminem
sprinkled in there as well.
You know my mother would belike darn it down your
grandmother's here.
All this cursing and swearingand so, and then that kind of
(07:58):
led to, I guess, through Eminem,I found like D12 and 50 Cent
and the Game and stuff like that, and so I never was interested
in writing music, I just likedlistening to it.
But I didn't like that stuffenough to be like I want to do
that as a career, um.
And then I got a job in Texasat 17, working at a sports camp
(08:20):
in the hill country in Texas, um, and I, before I went, my boss
had said do you know any countrymusic?
And I was like, not really, youknow, nine to five maybe.
Um, man, I feel like a womanand that was about it, you know.
And he was like, right, well,here's like 20 quintessential
country songs to learn beforeyou get here.
And, dude, I was just blownaway.
(08:43):
I was like that's it, that's,this is the sound that I've been
looking for.
It's called those rock aspects.
Yeah, um, but the lyrics areall are amazing and it's catchy
and it's it's you could listento this on the radio, but it's
not cheese right up in your face, you know.
And so that was kind of 2011,.
(09:04):
Jason Aldean, dierks, bentley,luke Bryan, those kinds of guys,
and so that was the firstcountry that I was exposed to
and then, obviously, you know,after that, I was like right,
I'm going way back, I'm going tofind out the roots and, you
know, started listening to stufffrom the 60s and just come up,
(09:24):
yeah, catch back up with myself.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
What were some of your favorites back then?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Dierks Bentley was my first favorite country artist.
Zac Brown Band were obviouslyhuge at the time.
I think Chicken Fried was oneof those quintessential country
songs to know.
But yeah, I think Zac BrownBand was the first one I was
exposed to.
I was like damn, toes in thewater.
I was like this is like crazy.
I first got to texas I hadnever smoked weed before and one
(09:53):
of my buddies was like here manand I, you know, I took one
puff and I was like whoa, that'scrazy.
And then someone played thattoes in the water song and I was
like this is crazy good manthat probably helped.
But yeah, dierks Bentleyprobably was my first favorite
artist.
5150 was my alarm clock for awhile and then I started hating
(10:15):
it because it was my alarm clockso I had to change the alarm
clock.
But yeah, I'd say yeah, dierksBentley and I'm trying to think
like Florida Georgia Line werehuge at the time with you know,
baby, you're a song.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
You make me want to roll my windows down.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So it was all those songs and, yeah, I was just
obsessed as soon as I heard them.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Was there a big culture shock for you moving
from Scotland to Texas?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, I'd already taken family vacations.
My dad had friends just outsideDC, in Northern Virginia, so
I'd gone there a bunch when Iwas a kid.
So I kind of knew the Americanculture.
And actually that was thereason I applied for a job in
the States was because I lovedit.
The first time I came toAmerica it felt more like the,
(11:02):
not more like home, because itwas.
It was an.
It was an alien culture to mefrom growing up in Scotland.
But the way that people are inthe states is everyone's very
kind of enthusiastic and evensometimes, if it comes across as
fake, I just loved it.
You know, like the store clerk,like have a great day no one
does that in Scotland.
You know everyone's like allright next, you know, and so I,
(11:26):
just I was, I was obsessed withthe states.
I loved the, you know from themusic and the tv shows.
When I was a kid and and beingthere, my dad's friend had a
pool in his garden.
That was.
You know, that was crazy for me.
No one has a pool in Scotland.
That's too cold really.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
Yeah, so I came to texas.
So I, I knew that I knew theamerican way.
But, um, texas is obviouslyjust that, on steroids, you know
(11:51):
it's uh, everything's biggerand crazier and uh, you know it
took me a while to adapt to thebeing way out in the country
culture, because I'd been to alot of American cities but I
hadn't been two hours away fromone.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And yeah, what part of Texas were you in?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It was in, uh, it was in Hunt, texas, or Ingram, uh,
which is just outside ofKerrville, in the hill country,
which is where they just hadthat flood.
So, um, yeah, you know I'vebeen praying for them but, uh,
luckily I think that the boyscamp that I worked at was safe.
But yeah, I mean just, you know, you're 30 minutes from a store
(12:32):
if you have a car, and I didn'thave a car, so you know, I just
had to bum rides to the storeand it was great.
There's this bass player thatworked at the kids camp.
He was retired but he was inthe.
He's in that like the blueshall of fame.
His name is junior pernatus andhe was.
He was one of those guys thatdone like the, from chicago down
(12:52):
through memphis trails back inthe like 50s, 60s, 70s, and he
just worked at sports camp inthe summer because he liked to
teach kids how to play music andhe would go play on a sunday at
the one of the local churchesto in this tiny town you could
go and hear one of the bestblues bass players of all time.
That is crazy man music on aSunday, so yeah, as soon as I
(13:15):
got there, it was just there wasmusic everywhere yeah it was.
I had no choice.
I was like this is the best,yeah so all right.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
So you're growing up, uh, and not listening or liking
any kind of country.
You get to texas 17, um.
Where was that shift for you?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
uh, once you started listening to dirks and all of
them, where you decided like,hey, I want to do this as a
career so I mean, because Iplayed the guitar growing up, I
immediately immediately startedplaying those songs just in my
bedroom or singing them in thecar and I guess I just
automatically tried to soundlike them.
(13:56):
So I kind of put on thatcountry accent when I sang and a
lot of British people kind ofput on a soft American accent
when they sing anyway.
But I loved country music,loved the twang, so I kind of
just copied those guys and so Ijust played it for ages, played
it for my friends.
When I went back to ScotlandI'm like check this music out
and I'm like you know, oh, howyou sparkle and oh how you shine
(14:18):
.
And they're like what the hellis that accent man?
And I was like this music's thebest, and now they're all
obsessed with it as well.
Um, but I think that shift wasI was doing some acting at the
same time as as living in thethe states, so I'd go back to
the uk to do an acting job andthen, as soon as I'd cash my
check and come back to texasbecause I just, you know, I
loved living there.
Um, and I got an opportunity toaudition for a show called
(14:42):
monarch which was on fox, and uh, trace at Atkins was one of the
leads on the show and they sentme an audition to play a Texas
country singer and so I put onan accent.
I was like, hey, my name'sCallum Kerr, I'm auditioning for
the role of Wade Stellings.
They bought it and I had to dothree songs for the audition.
(15:03):
I did Cover Me up by JasonIsbell.
I did uh am I the only one?
By Dierks Bentley, and I thinkI did a modern one like a, like
a wallen song or something likethat.
And uh, there was some actualcountry artists that went for
that role that I guess I beatout for the role and and then I
(15:24):
got on set and we were, you know, singing country music, making
a show about country music.
It was already my passion.
And then I was in the studiodoing country covers and I was
like man, I think I could reallydo this.
I mean, if I'm good enough insomeone else's eyes to be in
their TV show that's got abudget of like 10 million per
(15:44):
episode, I'm like maybe I coulddo this.
And so when I was in the studiofor that show, all the players
were from Nashville and theywere like, dude, if you love it
this much, you gotta seeNashville.
And from being in Texas, thereis a bit of a rivalry there.
And everyone in Texas told me,oh, nashville's, you know bs
(16:06):
it's all dolly partonimpersonators and big wigs, and
you know it's terrible.
And so I'd never felt the needto to go to nashville because
austin was.
You know I'd moved into austinby then.
But austin was so fun and youknow I wasn't pursuing country
music, dude, the moment I had myboots touched the ground in
nashville I was like, well, thisis where I need to be.
(16:26):
And I'd never written a songbefore, but I was like I'm going
to work out how to write a songand started writing, started
learning how to, you know,produce little demos.
It was like it was almost likethe show was like the catalyst.
It was like I don't know youknow God's plan and that show
only did one season.
It wasn't very good in the end,unfortunately.
(16:49):
You know.
The music was amazing, but thescript, you know, we had to redo
it a bunch of times and I thinkyou know it was a show about
country music, written bysomeone from new york and
produced by people from la.
Yeah it.
Just they didn't get it.
They didn't get the thing, um,but that that felt like it was
you know god or the universe'sway of of getting me to
(17:10):
nashville, and I was like I kindof accidentally stumbled across
what I think is is now my kindof calling, you know, um, so a
weird way to get here, but, um,you know it's along.
Every step along the way wasjust fueled by, like, the
passion for the one thing whichis, you know, the music.
Yeah, dude, I love that.
Yeah, obsessed man, Obsessed.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I want to dive a little deeper into when you
first started writing and kindof building your camp.
But let's get into another songAgain.
Your EP just dropped, July 25th, and you had a lot of great
things happen that day, which Iwant to talk about here in a
little bit.
But what's another song off ofthat EP that you wrote?
And let's dive into the storybehind that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I did one called it Ain't Working, which
is kind of my rock song, and Iwrote that with John Pierce and
Maiko Wilshire.
I was jamming out to that songon the way in today.
Oh, hell yeah.
What did you think?
I love it, man.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
The whole EP is great man.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You can tell there was a lot of thought and I
didn't know how many songs youwent through.
That would have been one of myquestions.
But when you said earlier thatyou sent like 50 songs to Dan or
something like that, to pickthose six, six, it was just like
, yeah, I mean you couldlistening from top to bottom, um
, which I've done a couple timesnow.
It's like just flows reallywell and thanks, man, it's a,
(18:32):
it's a story to introduce you,man, I love it yeah, thanks,
dude.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That was part.
There were so many good songs.
You know, there was some wherewe took an outside cut, where I
had a song that I'd written thatwe thought was just as good or
had just as much potential.
But we wanted, I wanted to dothe classic country thing, kind
of like how Post Malone I lovedthe way that he released his
album because he just he workedwith all the people that had
(18:56):
different, yeah, types ofcountry music and he released
different types of songs.
I was, I want, I want a song.
One song's about heartbreak,because if you've just been
broken up with, and the next oneis about how you're so in love
and you know it doesn't have tobe just what's going on in your
life right now.
It's like a little picture bookof, like, all these different
moments.
Yeah, and so this one was.
(19:17):
I went through a classic.
How many times you heard thison the stage?
I went through a breakup and Iwas drinking too much classic.
How many times you heard this onthe stage?
I went through a breakup and Iwas drinking too much, um, but I
, you know, it really happenedand I, I went through this
breakup.
I was filming something inatlanta at the time and, uh, I
was like, right, I'm not gonnadrink, I'm gonna get through
(19:38):
this the proper way.
And my buddies were like tohell with that.
We're taking you out and we'regetting you hammered and you're
going to do this theold-fashioned way.
And so that you know, I dranktequila for like three months
straight and it worked.
You know, I got over.
I got over it, um, but when Iwas talking to john and micah
about this song, we were likeyou know what, if it was that
(19:59):
bad that it didn't work?
And so we came up with thetitle it ain't working.
And uh, and this is how it goes.
Um, I'm gonna play a kind ofstripped back version of it
because it's quite yeah, youknow quite uh rocky and
energetic, but uh, somethinglike I wasn't trying to get here
(20:22):
at the bottom of anothernothing empty glass.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Time heals the pain, they say.
But the problem is tonight itain't looking like that.
The door hit the frame, yourfoot hit the floor and, sorry,
never stood a chance at turningyou back, ain't ever stood a
chance at turning you back.
And this heart's working hardon a midnight shift and the
(20:49):
paycheck's whiskey burning.
I almost get you going andthink I'm done with thee, but
your memory's pouring on thehurting.
This bottle had one damn job todo.
Just had to get me over you,but it ain't working.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It ain't working something like that yeah, man,
um, yeah, so the voice is a bit.
It's 9, 30 in the morning ifyou're watching this.
Yeah, it's a bit shaky still,but uh, if, if I might uh just
play one little line from the uhfrom the second verse this is
my favorite line.
This was a john pierce line.
Um, I I just, I just thoughtthis was so genius when he did
(21:35):
it and and this is why, aswriters, we we co-write all the
time, because you have this ideain your head and maybe a melody
and maybe some lyrics, and thensomeone drops a line and you're
just like I would never havefound that on my own.
So it goes.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I'm staring down doubles and the devil is talking
like we're making friends.
I'm looking up from a deep holeand the shovel is here in my
own two hands something likethat yeah, I'm looking up from a
deep hole and the shovel ishere in my own two hands.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Man, it's like I would never have found that,
yeah it's a great line, man,yeah, so that was a, like I said
, john pierce he's a he's akiller writer man, and and uh,
I've written another song withhim that I think is going to
come out on the next EP as well.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
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Speaker 1 (23:04):
So let's dive into.
You know, when you first movedhere and you were starting to
write, what did you do?
A lot of people that listen,you know, are new writers to
town, or maybe they've been herefor a while and they're still
trying to build their camp, orwhatever.
What did you do to get out andmeet people and build that camp?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So yeah, didn't know anybody.
I think the first place I wentwas I lived in an apartment
opposite tin roof and just foundtin roof great place to network
just walk down this.
I mean, you know what it's like.
Walk down the street inNashville, you'll finally hear
some music.
And so, yeah, I went in there.
(23:46):
There was three people playing.
One of the guys, uh, that wasplaying he was just playing the
guitar for one of the artists.
There's a guy called JustinLove who I wrote a song.
I wrote my first song inNashville, called Tequila
Therapy, which I put out.
I think I think it's got abouta million streams now, which is
funny, because I look at thelyrics sometimes and I'm like,
oh my God, what the hell was Iwriting?
Like you know, it was just myfirst attempt to write a song.
(24:08):
Some of it was pretty bad, but,uh, justin definitely helped me
polish it up.
I came to him with like a verseand a chorus type thing, yeah,
an idea for a bridge, and hekind of helped me glue it all
together.
Um, but, yeah, that was it.
I just I went up to him afterthe round and I was like, dude,
you're awesome at the guitar,I've got this song that I need
(24:28):
help with, type thing, and hewas like, yeah, man, I'll be
over there.
What did you do on Tuesday?
And so I think you do have tobe.
You have to kind of pushyourself to be a bit of an
extrovert.
At first Just go and talk to asmany people as you can.
But I think the rounds going tothe writer's rounds is a great
way to meet other writers.
(24:50):
And once you're going, you knowI'd start off with those free
ones, like you know, tin Roofand Live Oak and stuff like that
.
And then you know, once you'vewritten I don't think there's a
number, but once you'recomfortable in the room writing
with guys that are, you know,playing those rounds, then get
yourself to the listening roomor the Bluebird Cafe and after
(25:11):
the show, if you hear a songthat you like, most writers will
give you the time of day.
You can say I'm writing all thetime, I'm working on trying to
get a pub deal and I love thatsong that you did.
I'd love to get in the roomwith you sometimes, and
sometimes they'll be like, ohyeah, sure, and then you'll
(25:31):
never hear from them again.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It's part of the game .
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know you gotta have thick skin in this industry
anyway.
You might as well startpracticing.
Yeah, you know, um, but yeah,that's I think, get to the
rounds.
And then also, I mean, I'veshamelessly dm'd so many writers
, just being like dude, I lovethe work you did on that song.
Let's write sometime.
Has it ever worked?
It's like I, I guess 30%probably.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, that's higher than I thought, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Most people, if they see it, will get back to you.
But you know, sometimes you'llsee that they've not even seen
it.
I'm sure they've got a requestline that's 400 deep.
So, especially those guys thatyou know, they write a hit song
(26:14):
and then all of a sudden theirinbox is full of you know,
people.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, I don't think ashley gorley's checking his dms
to see who he's gonna writewith no, no, I only send him
naked pictures that might workactually yeah, anything to get
his attention actually, yeah, um, yeah, I don't know what about
you?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
what do you think?
Um, obviously you speak to alot of people on this couch.
Have you heard any good advicefor um, everybody, everybody
kind of?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
says the same thing.
You know there's differentpaths, but yeah, I mean, it is a
town that you have to havethick skin, and I agree, I mean
you just have to get out andnetwork.
And you know, the advice that Itell a lot of new riders that
come talk to me is like findyour camp, but also don't set in
on a camp too early.
(26:49):
Like you know, write withanybody and everybody that you
can, because you never know.
Yeah, and man, there's so many,there's so many camps that I
have seen in the last 20 yearsof having the listening room is
like you know where it's likethese three or four guys that
write all the time together andnone of them have even a cut.
(27:11):
You know, and then all of asudden, 10 years later, those
same three or four guys are onhalf of the songs that are on
the top 20.
Yeah, and they're still allwriting together.
You know, and it's just.
You know it's so, but, um, Imean the I love, uh, you know,
even even guys like, uh, MarkIrwin, Kent Blasey, like some of
(27:34):
those guys that have massivehits and have been writing for a
long time.
Um, I've been at shows herewhere I've seen new writers come
to town and they go up and likeyou, and they've got got.
They've got the thick skin towalk up to somebody like that
and go.
Dude, that was a great show.
Like I'd love to write numberone yeah and uh guys like that
(27:58):
will be like, yeah, man, andpull and literally pull their
phone out and be like what let'stalk about?
Look, look at calendars.
Like book it right.
Then it's like man, like I love, I love that, you know so's
cool.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That's another thing about Nashville.
It's because it's acollaborative process to make
music, from writing to producingand mixing and mastering and
then putting it out.
No, you know, I'm sure peoplehave stories of the one guy that
was an asshole to them, butmost of the people that work
here in this town want to get onwith their peers and their
(28:29):
counterparts.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
They all say have a good day, have a good day yeah,
yeah, you know it's thatNashville touch yeah absolutely,
and you know I've got like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
A good example is I've got a Scottish buddy who
he's from Scotland doing countrymusic.
We've written a bunch of songstogether.
We've released one togetherChris Andrucci his name is.
We did Tamed by Tennessee.
We I almost feel like you knowI've had some experience in the
acting world is there and itwould almost be you never know.
(29:01):
Chris is a great guy, so I'mnot saying it would be him, but
if I went to LA and there wasanother Scottish guy that was
trying to do the same thing hewas trying to be the scottish
actor in la it might be like, uh, if you make it then then
you're taking my place, typething.
Yeah, but chris and I I meanfrom the moment I got here,
actually another tin roof story.
I met him at tin roof just inthe.
It was actually in the bathroom, which is weird, but I was like
(29:24):
, tell me about that story?
well, I'm just kidding, I waspeeing.
He said, nice, no, I'm kidding,yeah, I just bumped into him
and I said, oh sorry, mate.
Anyway, I enabled her and I waslike, oh, you're Scottish.
And he's like, yeah, I was like, right, go pee, I'll speak to
you at the bar.
And so he came up to me at thebar and I was like you know what
(29:45):
are you doing here?
And then I realized thatsomeone had told me about him at
Losers, you know.
Someone said, oh, you got tomeet Chris.
Anyway, we just became, you know, best buds and we've written a
bunch of songs together.
He's written songs that I'veput out.
I've written songs that he'sput out.
We put out a song together.
So that, I feel, is how thiswhole town operates.
You want your buddy to do well.
(30:09):
If you write a great song withyour buddy and he wants to put
it out, you don't go.
No, no, I'm keeping that for me.
You go yeah, because if you dowell, then everyone's going to
know that I was the writer onthat song.
Um, so, yeah, man, I'm likeblushing about nashville right
now.
You know what I mean.
I just I love this place.
It's, it's the best man it is,it is the best.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Um, let's uh.
You want to dive into anothersong, are you?
Uh, or do you?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
want to talk about what else happened on july 25th
um well, I guess what I could dois I could play one of the
other song that I, because Iplayed, used to love.
This time I play the other song, um yeah it's called all out of
me and uh dust.
And Dustin Lynch was actually aco-writer on this one and he was
(30:54):
the guy that invited me to goplay the Opry.
He was like you know just, hewas number one when I moved to
this town with his.
What's the duet song that hehad with?
Oh my God, I'm blanking what'sthat?
What's the duet song that hehad, um with uh, oh, my god, I'm
(31:15):
blanking.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
What's that dustin lynch song?
It was on the radio.
I was just thinking about thatweekend.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, dude, my truck didn't have bluetooth.
When I first moved to town, Ihad this old dodge ram, and so I
just listened to country radioall the time.
That song played eight times aday, and then for that guy to be
the guy, that's, you know.
Hey, man, you want to come playthe opry?
It was crazy, dude.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah uh, did you?
Did you know him um before thissong?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
no, well, just just from the radio.
Yeah, yeah, um, uh, so yeah,that that was a crazy full
circle moment for for him to bethe one, obviously Opry member.
But for the guy that was, youknow, number one when I moved to
this town, yeah, crazy.
I met him at a.
He had another number I meanthe guy's got like 10 number
ones at this point but he hadanother number one after that
(32:05):
one I can't remember what, maybesmall town boy or something
like that and I went to hisnumber one party.
I went as a plus one withsomeone else and that one, I
can't remember what, maybe smalltown boy or something like that
and I went to his number oneparty.
I went as a plus one withsomeone else, and that's where I
met him for the first time.
And, dude, same thing.
The guy was celebrating hiseighth number one.
But couldn't have been moredown to earth, couldn't have
been just more of a normal guy?
Yeah, and, you know, handsomeas hell, which is annoying.
(32:26):
You know, yeah, couldn't havebeen more of a down-to-earth
dude and, uh, I guess I learneda little bit about about his
backstory.
It turns out he's super smart.
I think he trained to be adoctor or something like that.
Or he got a doctorate degreeand then decided to do country
music, which is crazy.
(32:47):
Man, you're smart enough to dothat.
You should have done that.
That was a safe route, but hewas like no, he's doing all
right yeah, he's.
Uh, he's just one of those guys,man, he's just got it, yeah,
anyway.
So this is called all out of me.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Um, I'm trying to I was a double shot of makers, a
last call mistake-er a.
(33:20):
Friday night heartbreaker.
Before you I was an outskirtstowner.
Goodbye on the counter.
I never settled down or beforeyou took the roll out the stone,
the gone out the leaf.
(33:41):
You took the water way out myboots, girl.
You put some roots under meBecause you saw the man this
cowboy could be With one littlelook baby.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You took it all out of me, all out of me.
Yeah, man Was Jimmy Robbins, awriter on that song too, he sure
was, and he did another song onmy EP as well.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
He did Silver Linings .
Yeah, he's class.
I did Silver Linings, yeah,he's class.
I mean, I'm trying to.
I put out two of his songs andhe's like yeah, man let's get in
the room, let's write anotherone.
It's hard to get him down, man.
His schedule is crazy becausehe's just.
You know what.
He's the man.
He's the man, he's oneverything at the moment.
(34:35):
And you know he's the man, he'sthe man, he's on everything at
the moment, and so I'll get backin with him at some point.
Yeah, what a dude, and I justfeel you know.
So fortunate that you knowthese songs were.
They were like.
We trust you.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, you know what is the what's the story behind
that song?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
That song.
So that's another outside cut.
Yeah, like I said, dustin Lynchis a co-writer and Jimmy Rot.
There was a third, I can'tremember, I'll have to look it
up, but that one was pitched byI can't remember who's publicist
(35:13):
.
But when I first startedwriting, I signed with this
management company and Istupidly signed the rights to
some of the music.
So there's a lot of my oldsongs that I had to kind of
leave behind, and so we startedtaking some outside pitches,
(35:33):
which I just feel so lucky to beable to do.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
A lot of artists are like I'm only going to release
my own songs yeah, you're rightyeah um I think it's really good
that you you look at it in thatway and, like you were saying
earlier, you had a song that youwould have put out on the ep
you thought was good enough, andthen you start listening
outside cuts.
There's a lot, a lot of newwriters or new artists.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Uh, don't do that yeah, well, I, from the
beginning I always just had themindset with Dan and David,
tough.
Best song wins, yeah, and youknow, like I said, you know
there was, we wanted, you know,heartbreak, love, you know
making love, drinking song,whatever we wanted to hit all
those things, but within thoselittle subcategories, best song
(36:11):
wins.
And that song, just about youknow, being a bit of a, a bit of
a boy, you know a bit of a, arambling man and then finding
that girl.
I was like that, that is mystory.
You know, I've traveled allacross the world and all across
america and I've never reallysettled down, never really found
love.
And then, you know, threemonths into being in nashville,
(36:34):
meet this girl and, uh, you know, become all mushy and, you know
, gimpy about it.
That song, like I was a doubleshot of makers, is the opening
line.
I was like, come on, man, yeah,a last call mistaker, friday
night, heartbreaker before youdude.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I was like those are jimmy lines right there, fire
right there and uh again.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I probably had a song that was was similar, but I
just those metaphors.
I was like, man, if you guystrust me with the song, I
promise you know it's going tobe a single, it's going to be.
You know, for for a long timeit was my favorite song, um, and
so, damn, I was about to saysomething else about it, um, but
I felt like I felt like I don'thave to write it, but it has to
(37:21):
.
I still have to relate to it.
You know, if it was a songabout growing up in in Louisiana
, I'm not going to cut it.
It might be an amazing song,but it does still have to mean
something to me.
And that song, I was like, howare you writing so well about my
life?
I wasn like, how are youwriting so well about my life?
I wasn't.
I wasn't even there in the room, you know, um, and so I'm just,
I'm just, I feel lucky thatthey trusted me enough to to
(37:41):
take it and, you know, make itmy own.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Um yeah.
I love that.
By the way, I haven't uhmentioned this on uh a few
episodes probably, but, um,we've got the fire truck that
just drove by.
So you know, we got to a pointwhere in the beginning of this,
we were like, all right, stop,we got to edit this out and now
it's just a thing.
I think they test their sirensat like 10 o'clock in the
(38:06):
morning or something, because,like, I don't hear them all day,
except for when we're doing thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, they wait for you to start the podcast.
Yeah yeah, let's just doublecheck we'll.
We'll hear it in the nextepisode and if we can hear it,
then it's working.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Everybody that's listening to this podcast that
uh has been listening for awhile is probably laughing
because it's just, it's kind ofbecome a thing.
It's like, well, we're gonnaget at least one in an episode
yeah like the.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Do you live anywhere near the train tracks in
nashville?
No, it's white noise to me now,but anyone that visits me and
stays at my house is like thattrain.
How do you sleep at night?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
and I'm like you get used to it, yeah I grew up uh
and uh, we didn't live by one,but my, uh, my great grandma, uh
, lived in illinois right by atrain track and it was the same
thing, like I'd go out there alot in the summers and yeah just
a few nights you're like, oh myword, and we're?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
we used to be closer.
I was in east nashville, rightby the train tracks, um, and at
the crossings I think they haveto to their horn.
In case anyone's, you know,thinking about crossing, that
has to be the reason, otherwisethose train drivers are just
dicks yeah, yeah, and they'rejust doing it on purpose.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I think it's.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
It must be when they're going, they're
approaching a crossing, so thatno one you know mistakenly pulls
out or whatever.
But yeah, first few months Iwas like damn.
Now I'm further away from thetracks so I don't hear it really
at all.
Like I said, it's like whitenoise, but my dad's been staying
this week and he's like thatbloody train um all right, let's
(39:39):
talk about so, uh, uh, so, thatsong written by dustin.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You guys get to know each other and then you get to
put your ep out.
July 25th uh, we had a showhere at the listening room, uh,
around the same time, aroundthat same week and got to
celebrate with you and then thatnight that your EP comes out,
talk to me about walking intothat circle at the Opry.
(40:07):
Oh, dude.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Like I said, I hadn't really listened to much country
music growing up.
I knew what the Grand Ole Oprywas growing up.
That's how big it is.
I mean, yeah, I saw old videosof the old guys, the oldies, the
crooners, the originalsongwriters of Nashville,
playing there with their bighats and stuff like that.
(40:34):
I mean it's just somehow iteven made it to Scotland before
the actual genre itself did.
And then, obviously, moving here, I never even knew it was a
possibility anytime soon.
I thought I'd have to have anumber one and be doing a
stadium tour to even have theopportunity to jump on that
stage.
And I went there maybe 18months ago and and I did the wsm
(41:01):
radio show with aaron who'sawesome show.
Aaron, she's uh, she's alwayshad me on for every kind of
single release and stuff withoutit.
She's great, um, but uh, didwsm.
And then aaron gave us a littlekind of private tour of the
dressing rooms and the stage andeverything and I just refused
to step in the circle to take apicture because I was like I'm
(41:21):
not stepping in that circleuntil I'm invited.
So, man, it was crazy.
I actually stepped in at firstduring soundcheck, obviously
because the mic's already set upand stuff, and so it was nice
to have that moment privatelywith the house band who are just
just, they've all been therefor like 20 years, killers.
Yeah, um, they, they make, theymake this song, this song on
(41:43):
stage sound like the recordscrazy, all the tones and
everything they nailed, um.
But yeah, I had that littlekind of private moment, uh,
during sound check, and then youknow all the house lights are
on and everything, and then youknow the big moment comes.
You're backstage, the person onbefore you is killing it and
you're like, oh, my god, don'tforget the lyrics.
(42:06):
And uh, you know, luckily, youknow, unlike this morning, I'd
warmed up and you know I had thevoice was feeling good, um,
stepped in the circle, kind of.
It was like a dream state forthe first minute and a half and
then I kind of cooled down andjust started enjoying it.
Second song was just, you know,it's like your first song.
(42:29):
You're nervous and then all ofa sudden it's your last song.
You're like I gotta enjoy it.
You know I've only got the restof this song to go, but it was
great.
The crowd was reallyinteractive.
I couldn't see many of thecrowds.
You know, I've only got therest of this song to go, but it
was great.
The crowd was reallyinteractive.
I couldn't see many of thecrowd you know a couple in the
front row and some of the wings,but you could see the shadows
of people all the way up thereby far the biggest crowd that
I've played to so far as well.
So, yeah, it was a dreamlikestate the whole time.
(42:51):
I was stage and, uh, man, it'sweird to get off and I'm just
you're just like, when can I dothat again?
I think, uh, you know, I don'tknow if or when it'll happen,
but man, it was, yeah, I have afeeling it will.
Yeah, well, they did say thatI'm calling them out now.
They said they were like oh,you know, we'll have to have you
back sometime and I was likewhat are you doing next week?
(43:13):
Yeah, and they were like getthe calendars out.
Yeah, yeah, when are you free?
But it was cool.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Let's talk about my gold name on that wall.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
So when can I become a member?
That's the real question.
But yeah, it was crazy.
It was crazy.
Have you been there?
Have you played it?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Oh, yeah, many times.
Yeah, um, I uh, actually, uh,the first time that I was
invited backstage.
My, my wife's uncle, um, hasbeen the stage manager at the
Opry for I think like 30 yearsnow.
Um, uh, but I got invited umyears ago and, uh, Charlie
(43:53):
Daniels was playing that nightand, uh, my daughter was three,
um, maybe two, uh, andintroduced her and I've got a
picture of her in my arms, likesticking her hand out and
charlie reaching over, likeshaking her hand, just looking
in her eyes, like I'm just it'slike one of my most special
(44:17):
moments.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Someone got a picture of it right at that time Wow.
I mean that would be you couldsell that in the, you know
Country Music Hall of Fame giftshop.
You know that's so special man.
And what you said about yousaid your wife's uncle yeah,
working there for 30 years.
Everyone in the band, everyonein the tech squad, all the
(44:42):
riggers, all of them have workedthere forever.
You can tell that it's a greatplace to work.
And I was talking to one of theguys, one of the I can't
remember one of the sound guys Ithink.
I was like all of you guys haveworked here forever and he's
like it's nowhere bigger.
Why would you ever leave?
I'm like, yeah, you're damnstraight.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
And they get to see all the music all the best music
in our genre.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
It's incredible, man.
Yeah, my friend, do you knowLauren Watkins?
I went to see her make herdebut it was like two weeks
before mine and did I was I wasas nervous for her as I was for
myself.
I was.
I know how great she is andshe's done.
(45:28):
You know, she's just a badass.
She's done tours walling andshe's gonna with Laney, I think,
this fall.
I mean, she's so good.
But I knew that even thoughshe'd done those stadiums, she
was still more nervous for thisstage.
And uh, me and she she went tocollege with, with my fiance,
that's, that's so.
My fiance is not in music atall.
(45:50):
They were just roommates forfour years and uh, we were just
like holding each other, like ohmy god, here she is, here she
is, and she killed it, of course.
And then I had that suddenrealization.
I was like, oh, shoot, that'sme.
It's like two weeks, oh my god,how am I gonna do this?
But you just put one foot infront of the other and you just
force yourself in there and thenyeah well, man, I'm so happy
(46:13):
for you.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You've got so much going on and I'm so glad that
the EP is out now and canintroduce the world to what
we've known here in town for awhile.
Thank you, dude.
What's next for you?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
A couple of acting jobs coming up which, annoyingly
, they never let me talk aboutthem.
But there's more acting stuffcoming.
The one that I can talk aboutis One Piece, season 2, which is
a live action of a Japaneseanime which is killing it.
(46:51):
It's got the biggest fan base.
I had no idea about it before Idid it and now I've kind of
been learning about that world.
So we're doing the live actionof that that comes out.
They just said 2026.
And then, music-wise, I'm goingto let this album do its thing.
You know, keep pushing it anddoing all the social media stuff
(47:12):
, and you know I'm still writingloads of songs.
I have a potential cut a holdwith uh, with someone big again,
can't talk about it until theytake it, but uh, that's my first
kind of big artist hold youtalk about, uh, you gotta have
thick skin in nashville.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That's exactly like yeah, I have a song I wrote, uh,
maybe a month ago, and massive,massive artist uh hasn't even
put it on hold, but we've heardthat like and he's cutting right
now and it's like, hey, heloves this song.
It's like okay, and you know,it's just like, and it's just
(47:50):
that, waiting and waiting andwaiting.
It's like man, yeah, it's sohard.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
But you know, and, and all you do is set it, forget
it.
Yep, go on to the next, that'sright.
Try and write a better one, orone that's equally as good, or
one that's different.
You know it's.
Uh, it's the best man, and thefact that we get to do what we
love um is is that's what it'sall about.
Yeah, you know.
(48:15):
You know, I think the littlewins you know the cut with this
guy, or you know putting out analbum and getting on a playlist
or getting a bunch of streamsthose are just the little wins
to keep you going, you know, tokeep mouths fed and the
electricity on.
You know it doesn't reallymatter, we'd all do this for
(48:35):
free.
Yeah, and so you know itdoesn't really matter, we'd all
do this for free, and so youknow it's, it's such a blessing
that we get to do this and uh,dude, we got to sit down and
write one one time.
I feel like we got to.
Uh, you know next, if there isa next time, we'll see, but you
know, next time we're on, we canplay the song.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, dude, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
That'd be awesome, man, yeah sweet.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, are you?
Uh, are you going out on theroad at?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
all.
Uh, yeah, so I, I took on theseguys, these booking agents, and
, um, they're awesome.
They've already started talkingto some places in texas, uh,
oklahoma, arkansas.
Uh, right now I'm waiting forthe contract to come through for
the acting job before I can setthe dates for the music stuff.
(49:16):
But yeah, definitely Texas, andwe'll see how much time is left
in the rest of the year.
I had an opportunity to go outand support I guess I probably
shouldn't talk about that either, but a good artist who's got a
bunch of fans.
So I thought that could be coolto kind of sprinkle in some
(49:38):
headliner stuff at some you know, smaller places and then go
play some arenas with, you know,with a big artist.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I got to hear more about this as soon as we hit.
Stop on that recording.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, I'll fill you in on everything, man.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well, dude, thanks.
Uh, well, dude, thanks againfor coming in.
Um, I always end, uh with thisquestion.
So if you can go back toscotland to eight-year-old you
oh man, you've put an ep out,you've played the opry, yeah,
you're making it.
What advice would you giveyourself today?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
would I give it eight-year-old?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
yeah, today.
What kind of advice would you?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
give yourself at eight.
I'd say, uh, I'd probably say,just, you know, if you like it,
then it's cool.
You know, don't worry about allthe people in the town Not like
.
You know, if you like singing,sing man.
You know, one day people aregoing to find that cool.
(50:38):
Your kids, your age, might notright now, but yeah, I did a lot
of bedroom singing back then.
Not a lot of people knew that Iwas singing as much as I was
and playing the guitar.
I couldn't really hide thatbecause I had to walk to school
with it, you know, swinging bymy side, um, but yeah, and then
I, I guess a piece of technicaladvice that would give eight
(50:58):
year old me slash anyone thatthat likes singing or playing
music.
Because I'd say, like, learnlogic or ableton or learn how to
produce as young as you can,when your brain is still able to
just pick things up real fast.
Um, you know, all you need isone of those little scarlet
interfaces and a cheap mic andyou can.
(51:20):
The world is your oyster, youcan do anything.
Great advice, yeah, yeah, yeah,I definitely started producing
too late and now my, my old assis like wait, what does this
button do you know?
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I'm not gonna feel bad for you because you have dan
huff producing you, so youcan't.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, yeah I'll leave him and his pro tools to do
their thing.
Yeah, yeah, that's, that'scrazy man.
Yeah, that, that that is.
Yeah, I don't know what I didto deserve that, but I'm
thanking someone up there everyday, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, give them the glory Hell yeah, brother.
Well, dude, thanks again forcoming in, yeah, man.
It's been a blast man, and wewill have you back.
We'll have to talk abouteverything you know in a year or
so Hell yeah, how many timesyou've been back to the Opry.
How tour with this major artistis going like all these kind of
things it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
All right?
Yeah, dude, it was such apleasure.
Thank you again for having me,man.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Everybody check out the liner notes.
We will put links to socialsand music and all of that.
I say it all the time, but gobuy his music.
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Behind the Songs.
I'm Chris Blair.
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