Get ready for an inspiring conversation that dives into the legacy and spirit of Texas athletics with Larry Carlson. We discuss his journey from media to mentorship, the power of community, and the ongoing story of Longhorn football.
• Introduction to Larry Carlson's journey in sports media
• The importance of mentorship in shaping young professionals
• Celebrating Texas Longhorn athletics and their rich history
• The mission of the Texas Longhorn Sports Network
• Reflections on the impact of CTE and athlete support systems
• Light-hearted stories from Larry's personal experiences
• Current discussions surrounding the Texas Longhorn football team
• Insights into the community and character-building through sports
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We're just getting started, butyou know what?
The college football season isstill going and those longhorns
are still in it, and I've got aguy for our special guest here
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He is.
He changes young people's mindsfor the better and he has a
long story.
Broke background as a fan ofTexas athletics, was in the
media and author.
He does everything, larryCarlson.
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He does not like to be called aprofessor, but he is.
But he's still a fine American,larry Carlson.
Let's meet him and let's talkabout it.
And there is the man of thehour, the guy that should have
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been on this podcast probablyfour years ago, larry Carlson.
Do not call him doctor orprofessor.
Texas State professor ofcommunication and mass media.
What is the best title?
I know Larry is probably thebest route to go correct.
That'd be it, and that's alwayspreferable to.
I mean, I know Larry isprobably the best route to go
correct.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
That would be it, and that's always preferable to hay
, you know.
So yeah, I think Larry will doit.
Sean, or should I start callingyou now?
Sean Pig, stye Clinch.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yep, that is.
Look how beautiful that is manthat is attractive.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Hey well, just don't get too close to this ugly,
grill it looks like a makeup jobalmost.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, like in Dracula maybe oh yeah, dr Frankenstein
right here, you know, looks good.
Yeah, no, dracula is a muchbetter look.
I see that.
Okay, it does coincide NextHalloween.
We're going to do this all overagain, I promise.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Hey well, I'd be remiss if I didn't say Happy New
Years to you, sean Do you likethat.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's real nice Clark.
I like that.
You know, playing off Quinnyears Just to tease everybody.
Well, larry just teasedeverybody.
We are going to talk a lot aboutLonghorn football after we get
to know who this guy is on theright, the hat and the happy new
yours.
That's a good segue to thesecond segment.
And before we get going and welearn more about Larry and we'll
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for the growth in 2024 becauseof you following and sharing all
of our content.
To give you an idea, I lovethese.
So we're going to call this theCarlson collage, if you will.
It's kind of his life.
He's been to a lot of places,he's met a lot of people and
he's a good friend to many.
When you look at that, Iwouldn't say it summarizes your
(04:43):
life, but it just shows who youmet, who you're friends with,
where you've been.
But I never have seen the7-Eleven Big Gulp costume until
January 3rd of 2025.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, that's a good one, Sean.
Some of my students when I wasfirst teaching at Southwest
Texas.
They made that I think about 87.
And that's kind of my trademark.
It's funny, I don't have a biggulp per se.
I have the circle K versionright here.
I mean I'm it's kind of it's,it's attached.
I drink about three a day andthat's my breakfast and always
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bring one to class, so I don'tknow.
Somebody came up with the ideaof a Halloween costume that year
and I wore it down to the GreenParrot on the Square in San
Marcos.
Got first prize.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Did you get a trophy?
Do you still have that trophyon your mantle?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
No, I think I got a bar tab and it was gone pretty
quickly, so I had a lot offriends instantly, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Hey, the square in San Marcos is severely
underrated.
I will say that it's too badthat the city of Nacogdoches,
where I went to college they gotstarted just recently, the last
five to 10 years started todevelop the square for
entertainment of collegestudents, so to speak.
So after you, you grew up alonghorn fan and became a member
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of the austin media.
On the radio side we see themic flag there.
K-vet, who are you interviewingin that?
Second from the left, top row.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That is Randy McEachern.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Great guy.
Randy was just terrific.
My first year up there was 77,when Randy took over.
After two quarterbacks, markMcBath and John Onney went down
against OU.
Randy was the hero the rest ofthe way of 77 and then the
starter in 78.
Just a great guy.
(06:49):
And I'm sure you know randy andhis in his lovely uh bride
jenna and all her contributionslong-horned history.
And then that's randy, uh andme next to each other this
summer when uh met up over atthe Steve McMichael ceremony as
Bam Bam Mongo was about to gointo the NFL Hall of Fame.
(07:12):
So good to see Randy again then.
But yeah, there's a couple otherpictures with Fred Akers and
then my old tennis partner andbest buddy, kirk Bowles.
Good job.
My old tennis partner and bestbuddy, kirk Bowles, good job.
The only reason why I waswearing Harvard Sean was my
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girlfriend back that summer, thelovely Kelly Ryan, her brother,
was playing baseball forHarvard.
So I thought I collect T-shirtswhy not Harvard?
So that's how I can alwaysremember the year on that trophy
, because otherwise there aretoo many trophies to count.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of course that's the rumor, but you've confirmed that
.
Right Wimbledon West is whatthey used to call it, but yeah,
so I'm glad you this pictureright here of Coconut Field
that's in Alpine Texas, correct?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Absolutely.
You got to go watch the AlpineCowboys every summer a couple of
times and, uh, I think that onewas from just this past year
but been going out there foryears and it helps that, uh, one
of my baby nephews, chad, has ahouse just South of Alpine, so
it's a great place to go.
Uh, go relax four, five, sixtimes a year, and so always fun.
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Sol.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Ross State University man they have.
I love the story of CoconutField.
That's an entire podcast initself.
It's one of the originally oneof the better baseball stadiums
in the country and especially inTexas when that was first
constructed that facade.
You would never expect that wayout in deep west Texas in a
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small community.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, it's a great venue.
It kind of reminds me, the oldseating reminds me of the old
Clark Field which was last seenin 1974 before demolition Derby.
But you know it's got those oldschool you know bench seats and
all that kind of stuff and youknow it's just a cool place to
(09:15):
watch a baseball game.
And speaking of cool, sean, youknow this, out in Alpine you're
there watching summer baseballand you know night times it's
going to be 75 degrees, you know, and get down cooler than that.
So always a pleasant place towatch a game.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's crazy.
I didn't know about the summerleague.
I did not know about that.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, the Pecos League or whatever, I think yeah
.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Is it a wooden bat league?
Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, and you know it's got it's college players
that are living with variousfamilies in Alpine, you know,
because otherwise they've gotbus rides all over New Mexico
and Arizona and that kind ofstuff.
But it's pretty cool, very oldschool and, you know, family
friendly, as they say, and allthat stuff.
I mean the hot dogs are stillcheap, so are the Cokes and the
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beers, and tickets are like sixbucks I think.
So it's a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It is a great time West Texas sky.
And then what is it?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
the Guadalupe Mountains, Something like that,
yeah indeed, and the DavisMountains right there too.
I forget.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I need to have my geography degree revoked for not
remembering that.
I need to have my geographydegree revoked for not
remembering that.
So we'll continue to work ourway through Larry's story, but
you know a big chunk of his lifesouthwest Texas, now Texas
State, changing young people'slives and minds you know, and
you know it's.
When did you realize that?
(10:43):
You know what?
That's where I want to go intomass communications and become
an instructor, so to speak.
And how many?
What year is this for you now?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
This is actually.
I started 40 falls ago 1984,but I got into it totally by
accident, sean long story short,really.
By accident, sean Long storyshort, really.
I mean I'd worked inbroadcasting at KVAC case and
KCSW.
I got in a car accident, gothit by a drunk driver coming
back from a story and got aparalyzed vocal cord, which is
not good for broadcasting, whichexplains his scratchy voice.
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But I couldn't talk for aboutnine months and I was laid up
with a broken leg, jaw, face,nose, all that stuff and you
know.
Anyway, luckily had the companyinsurance and they sent me to
the best place in the worldwhich was Cleveland Clinic and I
got back a voice because I hadnothing but a bear whisper for
like nine months.
(11:42):
Oh my God.
Yeah, I was out for a couple ofyears and then I came back and
got started as a the firstsports information director at
UTSA and did that, and then Ijumped into a, getting a chance
to publish a magazine with apartner then and then my, my
buddy, kirk Bowles, who Ialready mentioned, was teaching
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along with these, you know,writing duties at the Statesman.
Back then he was teaching oneclass a semester, maybe two, at
SWT and they had a broadcastopening and Kirk suggested me so
they call me and I was analumnus and it worked out, and
then the next year they had afull time opening and you know,
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there it's been All those wealthand riches.
You know how rich teachers are.
Great benefits though.
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
I mean it just still is.
So that's what's cool.
And all along I ended upgetting back on the air a few
years and a couple operationslater, but yeah, what a blast,
can't complain operations later.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But uh, yeah, what a blast.
Can't complain, that's for sure.
I love that and just living agood life.
Uh, you know, you live in sanantonio and it's that's the
stretch of i-35.
It's a great place in america,uh, between austin and san
antonio.
But you know, you heard aboutit.
He does a lot of things andbeing a writer and a producer
the producer part is what Ilearned through a conversation
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with you.
I had no idea this entire timeI mean, it was talk about that
role that you were able to playand how that opportunity came
about.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Well, if you're talking about producing various
things, I don't know.
I mean I worked CanadianFootball League as a radio
producer for the only year thatthey had American experiments
San Antonio team, birminghamteam, shreveport team, baltimore
team back before the Ravens andgot to do all that.
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But that was a blast A lot ofgood travel, a lot of good
stories and a lot of goodfootball.
But yeah, beyond that, um, Imean it's I've been writing all
along and trying to keep my handin mostly longhorn sports and,
uh, you know, did someplay-by-play for bobcat football
color and and that kind ofthing all these years and then,
(14:02):
beyond that, teaching, and soI've gotten to live a lot of you
know good times through myformer students, that one of
them, mike Kikarillo, we've beenthe best of friends for, you
know, about 40 years and he'sthe head of broadcasting for the
Spurs and has been.
He was the youngest in the NBAwhen he became that, when he was
(14:25):
24 maybe.
So that has been a few yearsfor Kick.
Now he's 57, so do the math,and he's been there longer than
anybody besides Popovich.
So it's fun to see guys likethat succeed and fun to still
get free tickets out of them too.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Hey, make sure you keep friends with those types
who have connections to tickets.
Absolutely, I know quite a bitmyself, but nowhere near your
expertise.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That has to do with age, sean, oh, I forget, I
forget, I forget you're older.
Or is it called experience?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah get your older, or is it called
experience?
Yeah, yeah, what?
When did that?
I don't want to call it loveaffair, but that passion for ut
athletics.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
When did that all start for you?
Well, uh, my dad was a ut gradand so you know, it was one of
the first things.
I was the only son had twoolder sisters and, uh, you know,
learn the, hook them horns andeyes of texas real quick.
And, um, you know, learn the,hook them horns and eyes of
Texas real quick.
And you know, daryl Royal was,you know, in kind of his third
or fourth year when daddystarted taking us the whole
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family to three home games ayear in Memorial Stadium back
then, and that started in 1960.
So I was indoctrinated and youknow, he and I painted my
bedroom burnt orange.
Later, when I was in high school, and you know, just that kind
of stuff, a super fan and allthat, and I don't know.
(15:57):
A lot of people end up notgoing to their so-called dream
school.
I didn't, because I had achance to maybe play tennis at
Southwest Texas, so I went there, which turned out great for me.
But you know, people still askme so, what year did you
graduate from UT?
And it's like, well, I didn'tgo there, you know, but I was
always a fan, so it was my dreamjob when I'd just been out of
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school about a year when I goton at KVET and was sports
director and all of a suddenhosting the Longhorn locker room
show after every game.
Yeah, so it was just a blast.
And then, you know, all the waythrough being able to do
various radio shows and thingslike that, sean, so it's, it's
just been fun.
And then working these pastfour years for Billy Dale with
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the history of Longhorn sports,tlsn, you know it's just I mean
so much fun to meet up with theguys that I watched play and
then a lot of the guys I'veremet that I used to interview,
and so it's cool to reconnectwith those guys.
And just, you know the historynever stops, obviously.
Connect with those guys andjust you know the history never
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stops, obviously.
So it's going to be fun writingabout this current season that
Longhorns are, you know, wailingand dealing, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So we'll see what happens so our audience who may
be watching right now, who arelongtime followers of Billy
Dale's Texas Legacy SportsNetwork.
I have had the opportunity tojoin forces with Larry Billy and
(17:35):
to tell these great stories ofthese Longhorns of the past and
present and those who are nolonger with us.
The past and present and thosewho are no longer with us Now.
The mission for the TexasLegacy Support Network.
How do you best summarize that?
Because I mean, I know you havesome journalistic integrity,
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but if someone asked you what isthe mission for?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
TLSN.
I think that Billy would sayit's you know, to spread the
(18:21):
word about.
You know, all those who playedfor might somehow kind of find
themselves in a tough spot, fallthrough the cracks of the
security nets in life maybe anolder age or whatever and need
some financial help.
And Billy's been able to dothat through his know TLSN.
(18:43):
It's a non-profit and you know,I think Billy dreams of every
school ought to be affiliatedwith something like that.
They, you know TLSN doesn'treceive anything, it's not
connected to the University ofTexas, but it's the only
foundation of its sort acrossthe country, and that just
(19:03):
shouldn't be that way.
There's got to be something forthese people who gave
everything in the way of thesweat equity to be able to be
lent a helping hand if they needit.
And so, I don't know, that wasprobably a little wordy, but no,
no, that's the crux of it.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I would say, sean, there's a host of former
Longhorn athletes who eitherhave family members who are
stricken with some awful diseaseor you know, human nature is,
we encounter financial issues.
It happens, and thisorganization is there, as you
mentioned, to lift people up whoare part of UT athletic history
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, who gave their life not theirlives but dedicated their lives
to becoming a Longhorn or as aLonghorn athlete.
And you're right, there's notmany organizations like this and
you're right, there's not manyorganizations like this, if
maybe just a handful, if maybethis may be the only one.
But what Billy's doing and whatwe're trying to do is to tell
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these stories, like about Larryand other Longhorns, or
Longhorns period, of what thisis about, to gain more spotlight
on this, and I think it'stremendous.
Of course, your description wasmuch better than mine.
We'll say that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Don't know about that .
But yeah, it's just such aworthy cause and I'm just hoping
for more and more awareness andexposure in the future and
you're going to help us do that,sean.
So tip of the hat for you andBilly to connect on this, and I
just think that it's somethingthat's going to grow and grow
(20:49):
and needs to, and you hate thefact that people do need help
but, as you mentioned, cte isgoing to just continue to be one
of those forces that causespeople to need some assistance,
especially if they don't havefamily members later in life and
they need, you know again somehelp.
(21:11):
So we've all known I'm sure youknow, sean, as long as you are
in the business and still are.
I mean, it's just sad to see somany former players, especially
in football, that are strickenwith.
You know CTE and and I've I'vehad a friend that that died from
the complications of it and heplayed for the Longhorns, greg
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Dahlberg who played.
He was one of the all-timeheroes at my old high school,
robert E Lee in San Antonio, andthen he was on Daryl royals
last three cotton bowl teams andgreg was a very successful
dentist and instructor at the utdental school here in san
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antonio for many years.
But the cte, uh, you know,caught up to him and got him and
, um, he's just one of many,greg pletz and, uh, I'm friends
with his brother, jim, who wentto Robert E Lee and played
football, and Greg, of course,was at Sherman High.
He was older than Jim but youknow he was the defensive player
of the year in 71, and he wasan accomplished artist and
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taught art for many years.
And then, you know it justlife's come unglued and and
really saps families and it's,you know, it's tough so to be
able to have something that'sthere to help people that are
connected to those problems.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's, it's very, very valuable before we take a break
, what we do for our guests.
We all I love these and theynever get old the man cave
stories, and it's usuallysomething that happened either
recently, years ago.
That may be as amusing now asit was when it happened.
Do you have one?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
of those that you could, even you feel like you
can share with the masses.
Well, I thought of this one,sean, when you mentioned it.
It was like many years ago whenI was at KVET.
It's been a minute or so, butwe found out that the world's
number one female tennis playerwas coming to Austin to play
some matches for a team tennisexperiment, kind of in the
(23:23):
little bit of the offseason.
Chrissy Everett oh, yes, yes, Ithought, wow, chrissy Everett is
fine, I mean, and so that's allI can think of is an old tennis
player.
And you know, I was 24 andstupid and I told a few friends,
you know, when she comes totown, I'm going to ask her out.
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And they went, you what?
And I went.
I mean, she broke up with JimmyConnors and she just broke up
with Burt Reynolds, so why don'tI give her a shot?
And you know, maybe she'll giveme one.
So I said I'm going to do it.
And they didn't believe me andI was like you know, I mean
worse, you could say is no.
So when it got close to time,you know, all these people were
(24:06):
egging me on a bunch of friendsand you know, fellow
sportscasters, do it, do it.
You know, I'll buy you a tankof gas, which was huge back in
the Jimmy Carter days, bless hissoul but anyway I'll buy you a
steak.
You know I'll buy you a bowl ofchili, whatever.
And it's like I'll do it, I'mgoing to do it.
Well then, the last day, beforeChrissy was going to be in town,
somebody said no, we have tohave proof.
(24:28):
I go what I mean, you can'ttake my word for that.
I'll tell you what happenedwhen I talked to her and they go
no, you got to do it at thenews conference.
And I went what?
So that day, oh my God, yeah,out at the old Hilton hotel and,
um, so she took some questionsand I asked a legit question
(24:49):
about something.
And then I was shaking like aleaf on a tree.
And next time I got called on, Isaid well, since you're in town
for a couple of nights, and um,you know, if you're not doing
anything tonight, would you liketo go out to dinner?
You know, if you're not doinganything tonight, would you like
to go out to dinner?
And there was just this deadsilence.
And I think the only noise inthe room was my heart beating.
(25:10):
And yeah, exactly, it'samplified and crickets, crickets
, of course, crickets, andeverybody's stunned and she kind
of smiled and she goes, I'lltalk to you afterwards.
So then I just kind of was likethank you, god and you know.
And then finally somebodyresumed the questioning.
But I talked to her afterwardsand she was very gracious and
(25:33):
said well, I've got reallyobligations that I have to do
here in town and everything.
But thank you, and blah, blah,blah.
But you know I did collect thebets and k-vet stupidly played
the tape.
They used djs to play the tapeof me asking her out and uh.
But you know, it's funny, for ayear or two, sean, I'd run into
people that were photogs at kvuor kdbc or whatever.
(25:57):
You know I'd be at somelonghorn event.
Somebody come up, go, man, thattook some brass, you know, know
.
And I'd be like, okay, you know.
But of course nobody wasreminding me that no, she didn't
accept the invitation.
But she did stare me down atthe news conference the next
night and she kind of, you know,shared something with the
(26:17):
player next to her and I wascocky and stupid enough to then
think maybe she'll let me knowwhat hotel she's staying in.
But it just didn't happen.
Such are the things of24-year-olds.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Of course there's always an opportunity.
It's a baseball analogy.
You can't hit it if you don'ttake a swim Wait wait wait I
like it.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
That's not I like it.
That turned out pretty well.
Let's put it this way.
I didn't just keep the bat onmy shoulder and take it looking,
so I swung and I missed, but atleast I swung.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You took a hack.
Yeah, you took a hack, yeah, andcoming up.
We're going to take a quickbreak, but in segment two we're
going to heat it up.
Man, we're going to speed thisup.
It's going to get exciting.
I can't wait to see or hear whatLarry, the devoted Longhorn fan
.
He loves Texas State too, buthe has Longhorn athletics deeply
(27:20):
rooted.
He writes about them and we'vegot some things to say.
But these longhorns, they arein the final four of college
football again and they took ahard path to get there.
And what an exciting, crazy,crazy, weird, uh, cfp
quarterfinal game.
But we're also going to get tohear from tavondre sweat in the
(27:44):
locker room at Tennessee,letting everybody know what his
alma mater is, and that's comingup.
On the other side of this break,the Saxton name resonates in
Austin, jim's late father.
James Saxton is a Longhornlegend, a Heisman finalist while
playing for Daryl K Royal, andJimmy is a UT football legacy
(28:09):
from Westlake.
He has been insuring Austin fordecades.
He and his staff will give youold school hospitality when
servicing your insurance needs.
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(28:29):
Martin's place on Guad.
Dirty's recently celebrated 98years young and the future is
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personal or business related.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Hey everyone, it's Daniel here at Dirty Martin's.
We're in the burnt orange room.
We are currently booking a lotof parties back here.
If you can see, we got acapacity for about 90 people,
but we are excited to host anyparty that you might want to
bring.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Give Daniel Young a call at Dirty to reserve this
space for any event that you canthink of.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Why do everybody hate Texas?
Please, y'all tell me thatEverybody, everybody in this
locker room, everybody in thelocker room, everybody in the
world, texas is on top, and I'mjust saying, like everybody hate
us.
You know what I mean.
Almost blew it who we won,right we?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
won.
Alright, then we won FIGHT,fight, fight OU OU.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Five.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Five oh you, oh you, oh you, oh you, oh you, oh you.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Forever a fan favorite of Andre Sweat man, the
biggin' Boy I mean.
And you know what's amazing isI've got to drop a name of a
best buddy Eating lunch withKirk Bowles yesterday up in
Austin, went up to meet himright off the plane and so we
went to Matt's and we weresaying you don't have to sweat,
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and Murphy graduated last year.
It was like who would havethought that that inside
run-stuffing game was going tocome back strong and it's like
amazing, amazing, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Bill Norton from Arizona, and you know, you look
at all of them.
It's just they were waitingtheir turn to develop.
They saw the opportunity.
They saw what Pete Kwiatkowski,the DC, what he could do.
And Johnny Nance, the positioncoach, I think the addition of
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him, I think he's linebacker'scoach though, but I think I
don't know why I'm drawingblanks.
But to your point, to plug into two high round, I mean highly
picked, highly sought after nfldraft picks and with murphy and
tovandre.
And tovandre, letting everyoneknow he's very proud of his
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longhorns always has been gottento the debate because he's in
nashville and playing for thetitans in sec country.
Let them all know texas iscoming in the sec and that they
are the real ut uh and not theuniversity of tennessee,
although universe tennessee'sbeen around longer.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
I will say yeah they've got a few bragging
things, but not much sincePeyton and T Martin.
So you know we'll leave it atthat We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know, if we're just talking football, you're
right this past weekend or thispast week, because the holiday
brain is lost on the calendarhere.
I have to admit, larry, Icompletely didn't disrespect
Arizona State.
I didn't expect this.
I think Arizona State is thegrittiest, has the biggest heart
(32:16):
and really no fear, and it's agreat combination and a fearless
coach.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Clearly the players love dillingham.
You know, I think guys likedillingham are going to be the
future sean, because I thinkthat this uh, it's just gonna
the game today with the portaland nil is gonna chew up and
spit out coaches.
I don't know how long they'regoing to be able to last.
So you're going to have moreand more guys like Dillingham,
who's you know what is he 34?
(32:49):
I think that's the way it'sgoing to be.
You're going to have to getyoung guys who have not been
beaten down and worn down byyears of coaching already and
the players identify with them.
And I think you know ArizonaState's a program to watch now
and you know what he did therethe past couple of years and
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turning that around, amazing, ofcourse, you know, I mean a
generational player withScadaboo.
But that quarterback, leavitt,he's going to be back and that
guy was, I mean, absolutelyslithery.
It kind of frustrated me,reminded me of the way Baker
Mayfield used to go.
He's going to be back and thatguy was, I mean, absolutely
slithery.
It kind of frustrated me,reminded me of the way Baker
Mayfield used to go from thepass rush and yeah, I mean Texas
(33:32):
never got him it, just he wasall over the field like a snake
and yeah, I don't know butArizona State.
They were mighty impressive.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Absolutely Well, texas went up 24-8, and again
they were in a game in whichthey had a nice lead going into
the fourth quarter 24-8.
And then things just magicallyhappened and I don't think it
was magic, I just think ArizonaState created opportunities.
Scataboo, scataboo, yeah, 284combined yards passing, rushing
(34:08):
and receiving.
He did it all and threw up andstill came back in.
That's a guy, he's a throwback.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah he is.
Hey, when we're doing all-timepukes, I mean we got to salute
Riley Dodge, of course he'sright there, but Scataboo, I
mean we got to salute RileyDodge, of course he's right
there, but Scataboo, I mean thatwas pretty good stuff.
So yeah, I mean epic, I meanTexas handled him early on and
then he just got stronger andstronger.
And I still don't know whathappened when he went out and
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ran deep and was able to managethat.
And I still don't know whathappened when he went out and
ran deep and was able to managethat.
And I still don't know whathappened when he threw that
little flea flicker halfbackpass.
But hey, bottom line scoreboard, scoreboard, yeah, that's all
you can say.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So, and the next few topics we're going to talk about
is simply because the generalfan, or fans in general, let's
rephrase that they're going totalk about is simply because the
general fan or fans in general,let's let's rephrase that
they're going to talk about thiskind of thing.
I mean, I, I want to.
So I want to start this bysaying much respect to cam
scataboo hey, my type of player.
(35:17):
Much respect to you, sir.
You're one of the best I'veever seen play this level of
college football.
No doubt I love the throwback.
He kind of had some strikingresemblance and this is old
Franco Harris.
That's what he looked like tome.
Burt Auburn I don't get it.
(35:38):
People were criticizing Sark.
Mack did it to Justin Tucker in2011.
Before the field goal, beforethe eventual series, temporary
ending field goal, sark wentover to them smiling, laughing
to Burt, trying to calm him down, get his mind off of that, and
(35:59):
it backfired.
And then they're criticizingSark and I know Burt.
He missed two field goals.
I think he's missed nine forthe year.
He's a good kicker.
What do you think this is?
Is it something in his personallife?
You think it's just the yips?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
here I'd say the yips .
You know, and I was talking toan old buddy, old Robert E Lee
buddy, matt Langland.
I ate lunch and Matt's a biggolfer and he said it's just
like golf Once that gets in yourhead like okay, you know, last
time I kind of sliced it, thenthe next time you're able to
hook it.
It seems like that's what'shappening.
(36:36):
You know, we've seen the greatJustin Tucker, who's been called
the best field goal kicker inNFL history, have his own
problems this year and who knowswhat evil and what doubts lurk
in the hearts of men.
And I don't know.
It just seems like Auburn.
Everybody's saying it's tooeasy, sean, but I'm wondering
(36:59):
why that Sark doesn't give ashot to Will Stone.
I mean they fished out thatscholarship.
Surely they didn't think thisis for just, you know, hitting
four or five kicks to put theminto the end zone every week.
I'm just a little surprisedthat because otherwise, coming
against Ohio State, it makes youwonder if it's like well, every
(37:22):
time we cross the 50, is itfour downdown territory now?
Because we can't trust Auburn,so I don't know and he's coming
back next year.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, he's got another year of eligibility but
we'll see.
I like him but it's just reallyodd some of his misses this
year and I know 99% of Americacan't do what he does.
But the other one, michael Taff, I'm going to say full speed,
(37:51):
that looked like targeting, butwhen they slowed it down, no, he
didn't launch, it was his head.
As you're coached base square,neck back.
There's no launching.
It was good, clean and it was,and the head was not down.
No crown of his helmet, agreeor disagree on that.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Agree, I mean, and not just as like okay, I've got
my Texas bias, but I thinkthere's what the Shakespearean
much ado about nothing on this.
Espn's been making too much ofa teammate on it and I don't
think it was targeting and youknow it turned out as it was.
(38:32):
I mean, auburn missed a fieldgoal after Texas got the ball
back.
Arizona State certainly had itschances.
It was fourth and 13 for theLonghorns to stay in the game.
So I don't know why it's beingdiscussed so much.
But one thing, sean, is maybethis leads to more discussions
about what the potential youknow the call is and what the
(38:57):
punishment is, because I thinkit's been a little too punitive
on judgment calls, been a littletoo punitive on judgment calls
If it's straight out maliciousand if somebody sees that, like
you said, from a launch and allthose kind of things and totally
defenseless and the guy ends uplooking like a crash dummy,
that's different.
I think that losing one half ofeligibility for a call like
(39:23):
that, I think that theseofficials correctly decided
we're not going to make thiscall.
You know, at this point in timeit's too close to absolutely
make a judgment call.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's too close If it was more blatant.
Obvious neck whiplash.
Yes, the whiplash occurred onBond.
Yeah, now, that should havebeen targeting.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Now you're talking.
I mean, that was a bad no-call.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I thought I'm being objective here, I really am.
That was a bad no-call.
I don't know, I'm going to play.
We're going to switch up to whythe criticism of Quinn Ewers?
But I want to play just a few,three big highlights of this guy
, because we know what he'scapable of.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Ewers.
He's pressured looking toextend the play, directing
traffic.
Now he's going to run ithimself and Quinn Ewers goes in
for the rushing touchdown.
Quinn Ewers trying to audibleTo stay alive.
Can they hook him?
Touchdown, Matthew Golden,Second overtime and Gunnar Helm
(40:39):
opens it up.
That way, Texas' first play.
Opens it up.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That way, Texas' first play the touchdown.
We almost missed those of us athome because they returned to
the action end.
They were in mid-play, exactlyso this could go in different
directions.
Larry, I looked at the statsjust to make sure I was right.
Before the season Quinn was onthe top ten or on the cusp of
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everything statistical categoryof quarterbacks in UT football
history.
Right now he's three to fivePassing touchdowns, single
season, single game.
He's in that three to fivecategory.
Why the criticism of this guy?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
I think it's part of this's part of it's part of this
, sean, that we've always heard,and a lot of coaches have said
it quarterbacks get too muchcredit in wins and they get way
too much criticism and losses.
Well, quinn's gotten criticismeven when they're winning.
So that's strange right there.
But I think there's too muchair time to fill these days on
(41:54):
talk radio and on ESPN.
I think that's part of it.
The other part is just socialmedia.
I kind of hate to use this termhaters but there are a lot of
morons out there who, you know,don't know anything about what
they're talking about, butthey're easy, you know, to
(42:16):
quickly dish the dirt onsomebody and they expect pure
perfection.
And I just don't get it.
I think Quinn Ewers yeah, Ithink he's had trouble throwing
the long ball.
But then again, you know, maybeI don't know, maybe Marilyn
Monroe had dirty toenails, Idon't know.
(42:36):
It's like, wow, I don't knowwhy I thought of Marilyn Monroe
Even I was too little for that.
So I'm just saying, you know,let's say Jennifer Lawrence, ok
there you go there, you go.
Jennifer Lawrence, or maybe whoelse could we throw out there?
Sydney, yeah, yeah, sydneySweeney.
(42:59):
So yeah, maybe, maybe you don'tlike her fingernails, I don't
know.
But bottom line, quinn you'reis a damn good quarterback and I
think he is on the MountRushmore right now along with
Colt and Vince and James Street.
I really do, and I mean, howmany big wins does it take?
But there's a lot of criticismabout him and it's just
(43:23):
magnified more in the times inwhich we live and the playoff
exposure and those kinds ofthings.
Everything's under themicroscope.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
That and the portal, the lack of emotions that people
perceive that he should have,and you know this was right
after they they beat Arizonastate and Quinn talking about
the composure and the ability tojust not get rattled, I think
just first off.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
that's just a testament to how mature this
team is and just takingadvantage of every single
opportunity that we have,whether it be fourth and 15 or
first and 10, whatever thesituation is just taking full
advantage of the opportunitythat's thrown our way.
And I'm just so proud of theway that the entire team stayed
poised and composed through theentire game, especially through
(44:14):
overtime, and you know itdefinitely feels a lot better to
be on this end of the win andovertime at the same spot, for
sure.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So he knows how to talk, he knows what not to say,
he knows there's some things hewants to say but he's not.
And he's a faith-based guy.
But from what I gather, theplayers love him.
The players love Manning too.
If Arch Manning is not thebackup, would there be this much
pressure or criticism of Quinn?
Speaker 4 (44:44):
No, and you know there's a precedent, Sean, and
you know it and I know it, andit was Chris Sims.
Chris Sims took a lot of heatbecause people wanted Major
Applewhite.
But what I think is differentis Major was a proven commodity.
I mean he was coming off, youknow, player of the year,
offensive player of the year,and then Mack replaced him and
(45:07):
then he bailed Chris out of acouple games and then started
most of the rest of them butthen, for his senior year, sat
until ultimately, you know thejust complete implosion that
Sims had in that conferencechampionship against Colorado.
Major had the heroic holidaybowl.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
What a good sideline.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah, yeah and you know.
But again I would just say, youknow I picked on Chris Sims as
far as griping him back, but itwas because he didn't show up
well in big games.
He had a lot of failuresagainst OU and against Colorado
and in another bowl game.
(45:49):
But I just don't understand whyeveryone is so ticked at Quinn
Ewers, except that I think manypeople think, well, we meaning
the Longhorns could be evenbetter with Arch Manning in
there, and then maybe they'll beproven right.
But every team is going to bedifferent.
(46:10):
There's going to be differentplayers next year, so we'll see.
But the Longhorns obviously areblessed to have Arch right there
and I've been surprised that hehadn't gotten more snaps and a
little more, you know, kind ofred zone looks, where it's not
obvious that he's going to runbut where it's a little more RPO
.
But Quinn Ewers is, I mean,that guy is, you know, ice cool.
(46:34):
I already used a couple ofancient Hollywood references but
I was thinking, you know, whenI was a kid, sean, everybody
talked about how Steve McQueen,his character, he was the
epitome of cool and to me that'skind of like Quinn Uris.
He's unblinking.
I mean he's an assassin backthere and he can carve you up
(46:54):
when the offensive line giveshim time.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, there's no doubt.
And then you know a big part of, I mean, since he's been the
quarterback, they're 33-9, okay,and approximately seven games.
It didn't play.
Think about that.
Remove those seven games and hestill produced those numbers
that we talked about earlier.
(47:18):
So, and I get it, he's injuryprone, I get it, but he still
produced.
There were some games that it'sjust being the quarterback of
Texas.
So I get it, I completelyunderstand.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Always got to overhype things.
You know you got a littlelocker room music make it sound
more important.
I like it.
I'm glad you do.
You're the one fan.
Back to the CFP.
But it's expanded CFP FinalFour that is expanded to 12 for
the first year.
I liked it.
I think it.
(48:10):
I think it's funny that fourteams who got first-round buys
winless 0-4.
Would you agree that that's theone chance.
Keep it the way it is or go to16, but if you keep it the way
it is, just because you won yourconference does not afford you
the opportunity to be a buy fromthe first round.
(48:30):
It should be the four bestteams in America according to
the CFP poll who get the buyright.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
I think that's what's going to happen.
I think that will happen, sean.
I mean, you know, we always saythat in government.
I mean we can't even getdaylight saving time.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Arizona, you can't.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
Yeah, that is true.
So maybe Cam Scatterboo hadsomething to do with it.
I don't know, but yeah, I thinkthat's going to get done where
the top four are going to getthe buys and whether or not
that's advantageous.
But you would think, as long asthe season is now, it's just
like people in the NFL live forthose buy weeks to get well.
(49:09):
Now I think it showed withTexas a couple times when you
get two byes.
Now I think that will change.
But it is remarkable to thinkthat the top four seeds were
ousted early and showed somerust.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
They did and hey, no disrespect to Arizona State or
Boise, but they did not deservea first-round buy.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
No.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
And nor did Texas, if you want to be honest.
Well, they were on the fringe.
Four or five, that's wherethey'd be, maybe, but you could
argue they should be a four,there's no doubt.
But the four, no.
I just in oregon, my goodness.
So that leads me to this texas,ohio state, in that semi-final
(50:04):
game against in the cotton bowl,which is not at the Bowl.
Some people are just nowrealizing that it hasn't been at
the Cotton Bowl.
The Cotton Bowl has not been atthe Cotton Bowl since 2010, I
believe.
Yeah, jerry, people are goingto be glad because I think you
and I both know the Cotton BowlStadium when they hosted the
Cotton Bowl it got pretty coldsometimes for those games I've
(50:29):
frozen there before a coupletimes.
Yeah, ohio State, your opinionon them all.
I will say Ryan Day unjustlycriticized in my opinion.
He's won all of his games, mostof them, except to Michigan the
last four years.
(50:49):
Okay, I still think OhioState's top to bottom the most
talented team in the country.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
I agree with you, Sean.
I thought they were going to be.
You know, once the playoffs gotset, I thought they're going to
be dangerous.
Yes, they obviously had a verymuch of an off day.
I mean, they just kind ofmailed it in for somehow against
Michigan, I don't know.
But you know it's been saidthis week, I think Dan Lanning
(51:20):
said it after Oregon's lossSometimes you have a bad day and
I remember Fred Akers tellingus that in the media.
I say us the old guys, yeah, andthey lost to Notre Dame.
You know, when Earl was asenior and had won the Heisman
and it just was a big meltdownand he said you ever had an off
day?
We had an off day and I thinkthat happened to Michigan, it
(51:45):
happened to Oregon the other dayand I don't know.
But I think ohio state isloaded.
I do think they should be maybea bigger favorite than they are
right now against texas.
But I think texas is going torelish this role of finally
being an underdog and seeingwhat they could do.
(52:06):
And you know, Ohio State'splayed so closely to perfection
that maybe they're due a fewblips and we'll see.
But anybody can have a bad day.
Anybody can have a superlativeday at this point, but it's not
baseball or basketball whereit's best of seven, so you got
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to show up with the best you gotthat day.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
One game, one opportunity.
The thing, that thing.
That's okay.
I'll say this the thing thatencourages me about texas is
they usually start off fast,they have lulls, but they are
built from an experience pointof view of where they played
over the last two or three years, who they were up against and
the ability to overcome thatadversity and find a way to win.
(52:51):
I mean, now you can look on theother side of the coin, you can
look at that and say that's notgoing to work against a team
like Ohio State.
I like what you said.
I think being the underdog isgreat for Texas.
I think it is.
I think it's underdog is greatfor Texas.
I think it is.
I think it's a great role Onthe other side.
(53:12):
These are four true bluebloods,four true old-school bluebloods
.
Notre Dame is nasty, in myopinion, in a good way.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
They are, and it pains me to acknowledge that,
Sean, because, man, I hate NotreDame.
I was raised that way by daddy.
You know you don't want to everpull for those guys, so they
were kind of like.
You know, my second favoriteteam is whoever's playing Notre
Dame.
Yeah yeah, back since I grew up.
But I've talked to a lot ofLonghorn players who said they
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were the dirtiest team they everplayed.
You know, any time that NotreDame played Texas, you know you
talk to Longhorns they're likeboy, those guys were dirty.
So, I mean, that's just, youknow, one footnote.
But boy, they're good, they aregood.
But the funny thing is, though,sean, you know, that stat
yesterday was amazing that RileyLeonard's MVP, and he threw for
(54:09):
90 yards, ran for 80.
He was clutch, but that justwasn't the Georgia team we're
used to, you know.
It just wasn't.
So it could have been differentwith Carson Beck.
It could have been different ifthey hadn't gotten greedy at
the end of the first half.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
So many options, and don't you love the?
Speaker 4 (54:34):
media oh, sec is done .
Hey, so is taylor swift, youknow, it's just.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, it's over with yeah, sec, the, the rain is over
.
I think we got the four bestteams in the country right now
playing who have been able toand it's, you know, georgia.
They're on their backupquarterback Gunnar Stockton, I
think, is going to be a greatquarterback.
I really do.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
I promise you he will not run up right up the middle
again.
Thanks to Andrew McCuba.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Man, that was a pop, wasn't it?
That might have been the stickof the year.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
I loved it.
I loved every part of it.
Hey Ben, tell me something good.
Larry Carlson, we have theselet's Talk About it series
episodes.
They're supposed to be realshort, but I've enjoyed this and
it has been the longest let'sTalk About it in the history of
(55:28):
let's Talk About it, but I'veenjoyed this and it has been the
longest let's Talk About it inthe history of let's Talk About
it, and I love it.
I'm not going to edit one bitout of this.
It's a great time.
Everyone says new year, new meor new beginnings, new Year's
resolutions, but to each theirown.
All I can say is just be great.
Try to be great at everything,larry.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
Carlson, tell me something good.
My brother, sean, I hope youdon't mind.
I'm going to use a littlemusical reference from one of my
favorites of all time, zz Top,who I did see in that famous or
infamous 1974 first annual,which turned out to be the last
annual Barn Dance and Barbecueon Darryl Royal's field and a
(56:16):
lot of hippies burned holes inthe AstroTurf.
But ZZ Top delivered just fine.
But it's a great song.
You might remember, sean, and Ilike to keep this close to my
heart a lot of times and it'sJesus just left Chicago.
And do you remember that one?
You know, ok, you know well,you're, you're a pup, so anyway.
(56:37):
But some people think it has adifferent meaning than this, but
I like to take it as it is.
There's this part at the endwhere he goes.
You know it's talking aboutJesus just left Chicago.
He's back for New Orleans.
End where he goes.
You know it's talking aboutJesus just left Chicago.
He's bound for new Orleans.
And then it says you might notsee him in person, but he'll see
you just the same.
You don't have to worry, causetaking care of business is his
(57:00):
name, and so I just think thatyou know, anytime you're down a
little bit or not.
You need to be lifted up.
You could think about that.
I like that, I know I do.
I'll leave you on that one fromthe great ZZ Top.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Who would have known we would be inspired, and it's a
profound lyric from ZZ Top.
That's deep but that is so truehave faith always.
Larry Carlson, I appreciate youtaking time and I'm looking
forward to partnering with youand Billy Dell on the Texas
Longhorn Support Network.
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Speaker 4 (57:55):
Sean, it's been such a pleasure to get to join you
and come on down to the world'sgreatest city, also known as San
Antonio, and I'll treat you tosome real Mexican food.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Man.
The ongoing debate.
Breakfast tacos are they betterin Austin?
Not a chance.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
Hey, anytime you get an opportunity to talk with
Larry Carson, who does not liketo be called a professor, just
call him Larry.
And anytime we get to talk tohim, longhorn football, college
athletics.
And anytime we get to talk tohim, longhorn football, college
athletics, even those TexasState Bobcats and the Texas
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talk about it.
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You should have seen the otherguy, by the way.
Much worse, much worse.
Big happy 2025 to you.
We're just getting started, butyou know what?
The college football season isstill going and those longhorns
are still in it, and I've got aguy for our special guest here
we're about to induct andinitiate into the stories inside
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the man cave podcast K podcastVIP alumni club.
He is.
He changes young people's mindsfor the better and he has a
long story.
Broke background as a fan ofTexas athletics, was in the
media and author.
He does everything, larryCarlson.
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He does not like to be called aprofessor, but he is.
But he's still a fine American,larry Carlson.
Let's meet him and let's talkabout it.
And there is the man of thehour, the guy that should have
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been on this podcast probablyfour years ago, larry Carlson.
Do not call him doctor orprofessor.
Texas State professor ofcommunication and mass media.
What is the best title?
I know Larry is probably thebest route to go correct.
That'd be it, and that's alwayspreferable to.
I mean, I know Larry isprobably the best route to go
correct.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
That would be it, and that's always preferable to hay
, you know.
So yeah, I think Larry will doit.
Sean, or should I start callingyou now?
Sean Pig, stye Clinch.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yep, that is.
Look how beautiful that is manthat is attractive.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Hey well, just don't get too close to this ugly,
grill it looks like a makeup jobalmost.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, like in Dracula maybe oh yeah, dr Frankenstein
right here, you know, looks good.
Yeah, no, dracula is a muchbetter look.
I see that.
Okay, it does coincide NextHalloween.
We're going to do this all overagain, I promise.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Hey well, I'd be remiss if I didn't say Happy New
Years to you, sean Do you likethat.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's real nice Clark.
I like that.
You know, playing off Quinnyears Just to tease everybody.
Well, larry just teasedeverybody.
We are going to talk a lot aboutLonghorn football after we get
to know who this guy is on theright, the hat and the happy new
yours.
That's a good segue to thesecond segment.
And before we get going and welearn more about Larry and we'll
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To give you an idea, I lovethese.
So we're going to call this theCarlson collage, if you will.
It's kind of his life.
He's been to a lot of places,he's met a lot of people and
he's a good friend to many.
When you look at that, Iwouldn't say it summarizes your
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life, but it just shows who youmet, who you're friends with,
where you've been.
But I never have seen the7-Eleven Big Gulp costume until
January 3rd of 2025.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, that's a good one, Sean.
Some of my students when I wasfirst teaching at Southwest
Texas.
They made that I think about 87.
And that's kind of my trademark.
It's funny, I don't have a biggulp per se.
I have the circle K versionright here.
I mean I'm it's kind of it's,it's attached.
I drink about three a day andthat's my breakfast and always
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bring one to class, so I don'tknow.
Somebody came up with the ideaof a Halloween costume that year
and I wore it down to the GreenParrot on the Square in San
Marcos.
Got first prize.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Did you get a trophy?
Do you still have that trophyon your mantle?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
No, I think I got a bar tab and it was gone pretty
quickly, so I had a lot offriends instantly, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Hey, the square in San Marcos is severely
underrated.
I will say that it's too badthat the city of Nacogdoches,
where I went to college they gotstarted just recently, the last
five to 10 years started todevelop the square for
entertainment of collegestudents, so to speak.
So after you, you grew up alonghorn fan and became a member
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of the austin media.
On the radio side we see themic flag there.
K-vet, who are you interviewingin that?
Second from the left, top row.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That is Randy McEachern.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Great guy.
Randy was just terrific.
My first year up there was 77,when Randy took over.
After two quarterbacks, markMcBath and John Onney went down
against OU.
Randy was the hero the rest ofthe way of 77 and then the
starter in 78.
Just a great guy.
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And I'm sure you know randy andhis in his lovely uh bride
jenna and all her contributionslong-horned history.
And then that's randy, uh andme next to each other this
summer when uh met up over atthe Steve McMichael ceremony as
Bam Bam Mongo was about to gointo the NFL Hall of Fame.
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So good to see Randy again then.
But yeah, there's a couple otherpictures with Fred Akers and
then my old tennis partner andbest buddy, kirk Bowles.
Good job.
My old tennis partner and bestbuddy, kirk Bowles, good job.
The only reason why I waswearing Harvard Sean was my
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girlfriend back that summer, thelovely Kelly Ryan, her brother,
was playing baseball forHarvard.
So I thought I collect T-shirtswhy not Harvard?
So that's how I can alwaysremember the year on that trophy
, because otherwise there aretoo many trophies to count.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of course that's the rumor, but you've confirmed that
.
Right Wimbledon West is whatthey used to call it, but yeah,
so I'm glad you this pictureright here of Coconut Field
that's in Alpine Texas, correct?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Absolutely.
You got to go watch the AlpineCowboys every summer a couple of
times and, uh, I think that onewas from just this past year
but been going out there foryears and it helps that, uh, one
of my baby nephews, chad, has ahouse just South of Alpine, so
it's a great place to go.
Uh, go relax four, five, sixtimes a year, and so always fun.
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Sol.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Ross State University man they have.
I love the story of CoconutField.
That's an entire podcast initself.
It's one of the originally oneof the better baseball stadiums
in the country and especially inTexas when that was first
constructed that facade.
You would never expect that wayout in deep west Texas in a
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small community.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, it's a great venue.
It kind of reminds me, the oldseating reminds me of the old
Clark Field which was last seenin 1974 before demolition Derby.
But you know it's got those oldschool you know bench seats and
all that kind of stuff and youknow it's just a cool place to
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watch a baseball game.
And speaking of cool, sean, youknow this, out in Alpine you're
there watching summer baseballand you know night times it's
going to be 75 degrees, you know, and get down cooler than that.
So always a pleasant place towatch a game.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's crazy.
I didn't know about the summerleague.
I did not know about that.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, the Pecos League or whatever, I think yeah
.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Is it a wooden bat league?
Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, and you know it's got it's college players
that are living with variousfamilies in Alpine, you know,
because otherwise they've gotbus rides all over New Mexico
and Arizona and that kind ofstuff.
But it's pretty cool, very oldschool and, you know, family
friendly, as they say, and allthat stuff.
I mean the hot dogs are stillcheap, so are the Cokes and the
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beers, and tickets are like sixbucks I think.
So it's a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It is a great time West Texas sky.
And then what is it?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
the Guadalupe Mountains, Something like that,
yeah indeed, and the DavisMountains right there too.
I forget.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I need to have my geography degree revoked for not
remembering that.
I need to have my geographydegree revoked for not
remembering that.
So we'll continue to work ourway through Larry's story, but
you know a big chunk of his lifesouthwest Texas, now Texas
State, changing young people'slives and minds you know, and
you know it's.
When did you realize that?
(10:43):
You know what?
That's where I want to go intomass communications and become
an instructor, so to speak.
And how many?
What year is this for you now?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
This is actually.
I started 40 falls ago 1984,but I got into it totally by
accident, sean long story short,really.
By accident, sean Long storyshort, really.
I mean I'd worked inbroadcasting at KVAC case and
KCSW.
I got in a car accident, gothit by a drunk driver coming
back from a story and got aparalyzed vocal cord, which is
not good for broadcasting, whichexplains his scratchy voice.
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But I couldn't talk for aboutnine months and I was laid up
with a broken leg, jaw, face,nose, all that stuff and you
know.
Anyway, luckily had the companyinsurance and they sent me to
the best place in the worldwhich was Cleveland Clinic and I
got back a voice because I hadnothing but a bear whisper for
like nine months.
(11:42):
Oh my God.
Yeah, I was out for a couple ofyears and then I came back and
got started as a the firstsports information director at
UTSA and did that, and then Ijumped into a, getting a chance
to publish a magazine with apartner then and then my, my
buddy, kirk Bowles, who Ialready mentioned, was teaching
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along with these, you know,writing duties at the Statesman.
Back then he was teaching oneclass a semester, maybe two, at
SWT and they had a broadcastopening and Kirk suggested me so
they call me and I was analumnus and it worked out, and
then the next year they had afull time opening and you know,
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there it's been All those wealthand riches.
You know how rich teachers are.
Great benefits though.
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
I mean it just still is.
So that's what's cool.
And all along I ended upgetting back on the air a few
years and a couple operationslater, but yeah, what a blast,
can't complain operations later.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But uh, yeah, what a blast.
Can't complain, that's for sure.
I love that and just living agood life.
Uh, you know, you live in sanantonio and it's that's the
stretch of i-35.
It's a great place in america,uh, between austin and san
antonio.
But you know, you heard aboutit.
He does a lot of things andbeing a writer and a producer
the producer part is what Ilearned through a conversation
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with you.
I had no idea this entire timeI mean, it was talk about that
role that you were able to playand how that opportunity came
about.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Well, if you're talking about producing various
things, I don't know.
I mean I worked CanadianFootball League as a radio
producer for the only year thatthey had American experiments
San Antonio team, birminghamteam, shreveport team, baltimore
team back before the Ravens andgot to do all that.
(13:38):
But that was a blast A lot ofgood travel, a lot of good
stories and a lot of goodfootball.
But yeah, beyond that, um, Imean it's I've been writing all
along and trying to keep my handin mostly longhorn sports and,
uh, you know, did someplay-by-play for bobcat football
color and and that kind ofthing all these years and then,
(14:02):
beyond that, teaching, and soI've gotten to live a lot of you
know good times through myformer students, that one of
them, mike Kikarillo, we've beenthe best of friends for, you
know, about 40 years and he'sthe head of broadcasting for the
Spurs and has been.
He was the youngest in the NBAwhen he became that, when he was
(14:25):
24 maybe.
So that has been a few yearsfor Kick.
Now he's 57, so do the math,and he's been there longer than
anybody besides Popovich.
So it's fun to see guys likethat succeed and fun to still
get free tickets out of them too.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Hey, make sure you keep friends with those types
who have connections to tickets.
Absolutely, I know quite a bitmyself, but nowhere near your
expertise.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
That has to do with age, sean, oh, I forget, I
forget, I forget you're older.
Or is it called experience?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah get your older, or is it called
experience?
Yeah, yeah, what?
When did that?
I don't want to call it loveaffair, but that passion for ut
athletics.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
When did that all start for you?
Well, uh, my dad was a ut gradand so you know, it was one of
the first things.
I was the only son had twoolder sisters and, uh, you know,
learn the, hook them horns andeyes of texas real quick.
And, um, you know, learn the,hook them horns and eyes of
Texas real quick.
And you know, daryl Royal was,you know, in kind of his third
or fourth year when daddystarted taking us the whole
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family to three home games ayear in Memorial Stadium back
then, and that started in 1960.
So I was indoctrinated and youknow, he and I painted my
bedroom burnt orange.
Later, when I was in high school, and you know, just that kind
of stuff, a super fan and allthat, and I don't know.
(15:57):
A lot of people end up notgoing to their so-called dream
school.
I didn't, because I had achance to maybe play tennis at
Southwest Texas, so I went there, which turned out great for me.
But you know, people still askme so, what year did you
graduate from UT?
And it's like, well, I didn'tgo there, you know, but I was
always a fan, so it was my dreamjob when I'd just been out of
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school about a year when I goton at KVET and was sports
director and all of a suddenhosting the Longhorn locker room
show after every game.
Yeah, so it was just a blast.
And then, you know, all the waythrough being able to do
various radio shows and thingslike that, sean, so it's, it's
just been fun.
And then working these pastfour years for Billy Dale with
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the history of Longhorn sports,tlsn, you know it's just I mean
so much fun to meet up with theguys that I watched play and
then a lot of the guys I'veremet that I used to interview,
and so it's cool to reconnectwith those guys.
And just, you know the historynever stops, obviously.
Connect with those guys andjust you know the history never
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stops, obviously.
So it's going to be fun writingabout this current season that
Longhorns are, you know, wailingand dealing, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So we'll see what happens so our audience who may
be watching right now, who arelongtime followers of Billy
Dale's Texas Legacy SportsNetwork.
I have had the opportunity tojoin forces with Larry Billy and
(17:35):
to tell these great stories ofthese Longhorns of the past and
present and those who are nolonger with us.
The past and present and thosewho are no longer with us Now.
The mission for the TexasLegacy Support Network.
How do you best summarize that?
Because I mean, I know you havesome journalistic integrity,
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but if someone asked you what isthe mission for?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
TLSN.
I think that Billy would sayit's you know, to spread the
(18:21):
word about.
You know, all those who playedfor might somehow kind of find
themselves in a tough spot, fallthrough the cracks of the
security nets in life maybe anolder age or whatever and need
some financial help.
And Billy's been able to dothat through his know TLSN.
(18:43):
It's a non-profit and you know,I think Billy dreams of every
school ought to be affiliatedwith something like that.
They, you know TLSN doesn'treceive anything, it's not
connected to the University ofTexas, but it's the only
foundation of its sort acrossthe country, and that just
(19:03):
shouldn't be that way.
There's got to be something forthese people who gave
everything in the way of thesweat equity to be able to be
lent a helping hand if they needit.
And so, I don't know, that wasprobably a little wordy, but no,
no, that's the crux of it.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I would say, sean, there's a host of former
Longhorn athletes who eitherhave family members who are
stricken with some awful diseaseor you know, human nature is,
we encounter financial issues.
It happens, and thisorganization is there, as you
mentioned, to lift people up whoare part of UT athletic history
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, who gave their life not theirlives but dedicated their lives
to becoming a Longhorn or as aLonghorn athlete.
And you're right, there's notmany organizations like this and
you're right, there's not manyorganizations like this, if
maybe just a handful, if maybethis may be the only one.
But what Billy's doing and whatwe're trying to do is to tell
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these stories, like about Larryand other Longhorns, or
Longhorns period, of what thisis about, to gain more spotlight
on this, and I think it'stremendous.
Of course, your description wasmuch better than mine.
We'll say that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Don't know about that .
But yeah, it's just such aworthy cause and I'm just hoping
for more and more awareness andexposure in the future and
you're going to help us do that,sean.
So tip of the hat for you andBilly to connect on this, and I
just think that it's somethingthat's going to grow and grow
(20:49):
and needs to, and you hate thefact that people do need help
but, as you mentioned, cte isgoing to just continue to be one
of those forces that causespeople to need some assistance,
especially if they don't havefamily members later in life and
they need, you know again somehelp.
(21:11):
So we've all known I'm sure youknow, sean, as long as you are
in the business and still are.
I mean, it's just sad to see somany former players, especially
in football, that are strickenwith.
You know CTE and and I've I'vehad a friend that that died from
the complications of it and heplayed for the Longhorns, greg
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Dahlberg who played.
He was one of the all-timeheroes at my old high school,
robert E Lee in San Antonio, andthen he was on Daryl royals
last three cotton bowl teams andgreg was a very successful
dentist and instructor at the utdental school here in san
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antonio for many years.
But the cte, uh, you know,caught up to him and got him and
, um, he's just one of many,greg pletz and, uh, I'm friends
with his brother, jim, who wentto Robert E Lee and played
football, and Greg, of course,was at Sherman High.
He was older than Jim but youknow he was the defensive player
of the year in 71, and he wasan accomplished artist and
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taught art for many years.
And then, you know it justlife's come unglued and and
really saps families and it's,you know, it's tough so to be
able to have something that'sthere to help people that are
connected to those problems.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's, it's very, very valuable before we take a break
, what we do for our guests.
We all I love these and theynever get old the man cave
stories, and it's usuallysomething that happened either
recently, years ago.
That may be as amusing now asit was when it happened.
Do you have one?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
of those that you could, even you feel like you
can share with the masses.
Well, I thought of this one,sean, when you mentioned it.
It was like many years ago whenI was at KVET.
It's been a minute or so, butwe found out that the world's
number one female tennis playerwas coming to Austin to play
some matches for a team tennisexperiment, kind of in the
(23:23):
little bit of the offseason.
Chrissy Everett oh, yes, yes, Ithought, wow, chrissy Everett is
fine, I mean, and so that's allI can think of is an old tennis
player.
And you know, I was 24 andstupid and I told a few friends,
you know, when she comes totown, I'm going to ask her out.
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And they went, you what?
And I went.
I mean, she broke up with JimmyConnors and she just broke up
with Burt Reynolds, so why don'tI give her a shot?
And you know, maybe she'll giveme one.
So I said I'm going to do it.
And they didn't believe me andI was like you know, I mean
worse, you could say is no.
So when it got close to time,you know, all these people were
(24:06):
egging me on a bunch of friendsand you know, fellow
sportscasters, do it, do it.
You know, I'll buy you a tankof gas, which was huge back in
the Jimmy Carter days, bless hissoul but anyway I'll buy you a
steak.
You know I'll buy you a bowl ofchili, whatever.
And it's like I'll do it, I'mgoing to do it.
Well then, the last day, beforeChrissy was going to be in town,
somebody said no, we have tohave proof.
(24:28):
I go what I mean, you can'ttake my word for that.
I'll tell you what happenedwhen I talked to her and they go
no, you got to do it at thenews conference.
And I went what?
So that day, oh my God, yeah,out at the old Hilton hotel and,
um, so she took some questionsand I asked a legit question
(24:49):
about something.
And then I was shaking like aleaf on a tree.
And next time I got called on, Isaid well, since you're in town
for a couple of nights, and um,you know, if you're not doing
anything tonight, would you liketo go out to dinner?
You know, if you're not doinganything tonight, would you like
to go out to dinner?
And there was just this deadsilence.
And I think the only noise inthe room was my heart beating.
(25:10):
And yeah, exactly, it'samplified and crickets, crickets
, of course, crickets, andeverybody's stunned and she kind
of smiled and she goes, I'lltalk to you afterwards.
So then I just kind of was likethank you, god and you know.
And then finally somebodyresumed the questioning.
But I talked to her afterwardsand she was very gracious and
(25:33):
said well, I've got reallyobligations that I have to do
here in town and everything.
But thank you, and blah, blah,blah.
But you know I did collect thebets and k-vet stupidly played
the tape.
They used djs to play the tapeof me asking her out and uh.
But you know, it's funny, for ayear or two, sean, I'd run into
people that were photogs at kvuor kdbc or whatever.
(25:57):
You know I'd be at somelonghorn event.
Somebody come up, go, man, thattook some brass, you know, know
.
And I'd be like, okay, you know.
But of course nobody wasreminding me that no, she didn't
accept the invitation.
But she did stare me down atthe news conference the next
night and she kind of, you know,shared something with the
(26:17):
player next to her and I wascocky and stupid enough to then
think maybe she'll let me knowwhat hotel she's staying in.
But it just didn't happen.
Such are the things of24-year-olds.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Of course there's always an opportunity.
It's a baseball analogy.
You can't hit it if you don'ttake a swim Wait wait wait I
like it.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
That's not I like it.
That turned out pretty well.
Let's put it this way.
I didn't just keep the bat onmy shoulder and take it looking,
so I swung and I missed, but atleast I swung.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You took a hack.
Yeah, you took a hack, yeah, andcoming up.
We're going to take a quickbreak, but in segment two we're
going to heat it up.
Man, we're going to speed thisup.
It's going to get exciting.
I can't wait to see or hear whatLarry, the devoted Longhorn fan
.
He loves Texas State too, buthe has Longhorn athletics deeply
(27:20):
rooted.
He writes about them and we'vegot some things to say.
But these longhorns, they arein the final four of college
football again and they took ahard path to get there.
And what an exciting, crazy,crazy, weird, uh, cfp
quarterfinal game.
But we're also going to get tohear from tavondre sweat in the
(27:44):
locker room at Tennessee,letting everybody know what his
alma mater is, and that's comingup.
On the other side of this break,the Saxton name resonates in
Austin, jim's late father.
James Saxton is a Longhornlegend, a Heisman finalist while
playing for Daryl K Royal, andJimmy is a UT football legacy
(28:09):
from Westlake.
He has been insuring Austin fordecades.
He and his staff will give youold school hospitality when
servicing your insurance needs.
Austin, texas is changing everyday, but one constant is Dirty
(28:29):
Martin's place on Guad.
Dirty's recently celebrated 98years young and the future is
soft, and this space in the backis open to host any event,
personal or business related.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Hey everyone, it's Daniel here at Dirty Martin's.
We're in the burnt orange room.
We are currently booking a lotof parties back here.
If you can see, we got acapacity for about 90 people,
but we are excited to host anyparty that you might want to
bring.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Give Daniel Young a call at Dirty to reserve this
space for any event that you canthink of.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Why do everybody hate Texas?
Please, y'all tell me thatEverybody, everybody in this
locker room, everybody in thelocker room, everybody in the
world, texas is on top, and I'mjust saying, like everybody hate
us.
You know what I mean.
Almost blew it who we won,right we?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
won.
Alright, then we won FIGHT,fight, fight OU OU.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Five.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Five oh you, oh you, oh you, oh you, oh you, oh you.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Forever a fan favorite of Andre Sweat man, the
biggin' Boy I mean.
And you know what's amazing isI've got to drop a name of a
best buddy Eating lunch withKirk Bowles yesterday up in
Austin, went up to meet himright off the plane and so we
went to Matt's and we weresaying you don't have to sweat,
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and Murphy graduated last year.
It was like who would havethought that that inside
run-stuffing game was going tocome back strong and it's like
amazing, amazing, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Bill Norton from Arizona, and you know, you look
at all of them.
It's just they were waitingtheir turn to develop.
They saw the opportunity.
They saw what Pete Kwiatkowski,the DC, what he could do.
And Johnny Nance, the positioncoach, I think the addition of
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him, I think he's linebacker'scoach though, but I think I
don't know why I'm drawingblanks.
But to your point, to plug into two high round, I mean highly
picked, highly sought after nfldraft picks and with murphy and
tovandre.
And tovandre, letting everyoneknow he's very proud of his
(31:21):
longhorns always has been gottento the debate because he's in
nashville and playing for thetitans in sec country.
Let them all know texas iscoming in the sec and that they
are the real ut uh and not theuniversity of tennessee,
although universe tennessee'sbeen around longer.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
I will say yeah they've got a few bragging
things, but not much sincePeyton and T Martin.
So you know we'll leave it atthat We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You know, if we're just talking football, you're
right this past weekend or thispast week, because the holiday
brain is lost on the calendarhere.
I have to admit, larry, Icompletely didn't disrespect
Arizona State.
I didn't expect this.
I think Arizona State is thegrittiest, has the biggest heart
(32:16):
and really no fear, and it's agreat combination and a fearless
coach.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Clearly the players love dillingham.
You know, I think guys likedillingham are going to be the
future sean, because I thinkthat this uh, it's just gonna
the game today with the portaland nil is gonna chew up and
spit out coaches.
I don't know how long they'regoing to be able to last.
So you're going to have moreand more guys like Dillingham,
who's you know what is he 34?
(32:49):
I think that's the way it'sgoing to be.
You're going to have to getyoung guys who have not been
beaten down and worn down byyears of coaching already and
the players identify with them.
And I think you know ArizonaState's a program to watch now
and you know what he did therethe past couple of years and
(33:11):
turning that around, amazing, ofcourse, you know, I mean a
generational player withScadaboo.
But that quarterback, leavitt,he's going to be back and that
guy was, I mean, absolutelyslithery.
It kind of frustrated me,reminded me of the way Baker
Mayfield used to go.
He's going to be back and thatguy was, I mean, absolutely
slithery.
It kind of frustrated me,reminded me of the way Baker
Mayfield used to go from thepass rush and yeah, I mean Texas
(33:32):
never got him it, just he wasall over the field like a snake
and yeah, I don't know butArizona State.
They were mighty impressive.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Absolutely Well, texas went up 24-8, and again
they were in a game in whichthey had a nice lead going into
the fourth quarter 24-8.
And then things just magicallyhappened and I don't think it
was magic, I just think ArizonaState created opportunities.
Scataboo, scataboo, yeah, 284combined yards passing, rushing
(34:08):
and receiving.
He did it all and threw up andstill came back in.
That's a guy, he's a throwback.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah he is.
Hey, when we're doing all-timepukes, I mean we got to salute
Riley Dodge, of course he'sright there, but Scataboo, I
mean we got to salute RileyDodge, of course he's right
there, but Scataboo, I mean thatwas pretty good stuff.
So yeah, I mean epic, I meanTexas handled him early on and
then he just got stronger andstronger.
And I still don't know whathappened when he went out and
(34:41):
ran deep and was able to managethat.
And I still don't know whathappened when he went out and
ran deep and was able to managethat.
And I still don't know whathappened when he threw that
little flea flicker halfbackpass.
But hey, bottom line scoreboard, scoreboard, yeah, that's all
you can say.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So, and the next few topics we're going to talk about
is simply because the generalfan, or fans in general, let's
rephrase that they're going totalk about is simply because the
general fan or fans in general,let's let's rephrase that
they're going to talk about thiskind of thing.
I mean, I, I want to.
So I want to start this bysaying much respect to cam
scataboo hey, my type of player.
(35:17):
Much respect to you, sir.
You're one of the best I'veever seen play this level of
college football.
No doubt I love the throwback.
He kind of had some strikingresemblance and this is old
Franco Harris.
That's what he looked like tome.
Burt Auburn I don't get it.
(35:38):
People were criticizing Sark.
Mack did it to Justin Tucker in2011.
Before the field goal, beforethe eventual series, temporary
ending field goal, sark wentover to them smiling, laughing
to Burt, trying to calm him down, get his mind off of that, and
(35:59):
it backfired.
And then they're criticizingSark and I know Burt.
He missed two field goals.
I think he's missed nine forthe year.
He's a good kicker.
What do you think this is?
Is it something in his personallife?
You think it's just the yips?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
here I'd say the yips .
You know, and I was talking toan old buddy, old Robert E Lee
buddy, matt Langland.
I ate lunch and Matt's a biggolfer and he said it's just
like golf Once that gets in yourhead like okay, you know, last
time I kind of sliced it, thenthe next time you're able to
hook it.
It seems like that's what'shappening.
(36:36):
You know, we've seen the greatJustin Tucker, who's been called
the best field goal kicker inNFL history, have his own
problems this year and who knowswhat evil and what doubts lurk
in the hearts of men.
And I don't know.
It just seems like Auburn.
Everybody's saying it's tooeasy, sean, but I'm wondering
(36:59):
why that Sark doesn't give ashot to Will Stone.
I mean they fished out thatscholarship.
Surely they didn't think thisis for just, you know, hitting
four or five kicks to put theminto the end zone every week.
I'm just a little surprisedthat because otherwise, coming
against Ohio State, it makes youwonder if it's like well, every
(37:22):
time we cross the 50, is itfour downdown territory now?
Because we can't trust Auburn,so I don't know and he's coming
back next year.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, he's got another year of eligibility but
we'll see.
I like him but it's just reallyodd some of his misses this
year and I know 99% of Americacan't do what he does.
But the other one, michael Taff, I'm going to say full speed,
(37:51):
that looked like targeting, butwhen they slowed it down, no, he
didn't launch, it was his head.
As you're coached base square,neck back.
There's no launching.
It was good, clean and it was,and the head was not down.
No crown of his helmet, agreeor disagree on that.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Agree, I mean, and not just as like okay, I've got
my Texas bias, but I thinkthere's what the Shakespearean
much ado about nothing on this.
Espn's been making too much ofa teammate on it and I don't
think it was targeting and youknow it turned out as it was.
(38:32):
I mean, auburn missed a fieldgoal after Texas got the ball
back.
Arizona State certainly had itschances.
It was fourth and 13 for theLonghorns to stay in the game.
So I don't know why it's beingdiscussed so much.
But one thing, sean, is maybethis leads to more discussions
about what the potential youknow the call is and what the
(38:57):
punishment is, because I thinkit's been a little too punitive
on judgment calls, been a littletoo punitive on judgment calls
If it's straight out maliciousand if somebody sees that, like
you said, from a launch and allthose kind of things and totally
defenseless and the guy ends uplooking like a crash dummy,
that's different.
I think that losing one half ofeligibility for a call like
(39:23):
that, I think that theseofficials correctly decided
we're not going to make thiscall.
You know, at this point in timeit's too close to absolutely
make a judgment call.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It's too close If it was more blatant.
Obvious neck whiplash.
Yes, the whiplash occurred onBond.
Yeah, now, that should havebeen targeting.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Now you're talking.
I mean, that was a bad no-call.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I thought I'm being objective here, I really am.
That was a bad no-call.
I don't know, I'm going to play.
We're going to switch up to whythe criticism of Quinn Ewers?
But I want to play just a few,three big highlights of this guy
, because we know what he'scapable of.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Ewers.
He's pressured looking toextend the play, directing
traffic.
Now he's going to run ithimself and Quinn Ewers goes in
for the rushing touchdown.
Quinn Ewers trying to audibleTo stay alive.
Can they hook him?
Touchdown, Matthew Golden,Second overtime and Gunnar Helm
(40:39):
opens it up.
That way, Texas' first play.
Opens it up.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That way, Texas' first play the touchdown.
We almost missed those of us athome because they returned to
the action end.
They were in mid-play, exactlyso this could go in different
directions.
Larry, I looked at the statsjust to make sure I was right.
Before the season Quinn was onthe top ten or on the cusp of
(41:09):
everything statistical categoryof quarterbacks in UT football
history.
Right now he's three to fivePassing touchdowns, single
season, single game.
He's in that three to fivecategory.
Why the criticism of this guy?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
I think it's part of this's part of it's part of this
, sean, that we've always heard,and a lot of coaches have said
it quarterbacks get too muchcredit in wins and they get way
too much criticism and losses.
Well, quinn's gotten criticismeven when they're winning.
So that's strange right there.
But I think there's too muchair time to fill these days on
(41:54):
talk radio and on ESPN.
I think that's part of it.
The other part is just socialmedia.
I kind of hate to use this termhaters but there are a lot of
morons out there who, you know,don't know anything about what
they're talking about, butthey're easy, you know, to
(42:16):
quickly dish the dirt onsomebody and they expect pure
perfection.
And I just don't get it.
I think Quinn Ewers yeah, Ithink he's had trouble throwing
the long ball.
But then again, you know, maybeI don't know, maybe Marilyn
Monroe had dirty toenails, Idon't know.
(42:36):
It's like, wow, I don't knowwhy I thought of Marilyn Monroe
Even I was too little for that.
So I'm just saying, you know,let's say Jennifer Lawrence, ok
there you go there, you go.
Jennifer Lawrence, or maybe whoelse could we throw out there?
Sydney, yeah, yeah, sydneySweeney.
(42:59):
So yeah, maybe, maybe you don'tlike her fingernails, I don't
know.
But bottom line, quinn you'reis a damn good quarterback and I
think he is on the MountRushmore right now along with
Colt and Vince and James Street.
I really do, and I mean, howmany big wins does it take?
But there's a lot of criticismabout him and it's just
(43:23):
magnified more in the times inwhich we live and the playoff
exposure and those kinds ofthings.
Everything's under themicroscope.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
That and the portal, the lack of emotions that people
perceive that he should have,and you know this was right
after they they beat Arizonastate and Quinn talking about
the composure and the ability tojust not get rattled, I think
just first off.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
that's just a testament to how mature this
team is and just takingadvantage of every single
opportunity that we have,whether it be fourth and 15 or
first and 10, whatever thesituation is just taking full
advantage of the opportunitythat's thrown our way.
And I'm just so proud of theway that the entire team stayed
poised and composed through theentire game, especially through
(44:14):
overtime, and you know itdefinitely feels a lot better to
be on this end of the win andovertime at the same spot, for
sure.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So he knows how to talk, he knows what not to say,
he knows there's some things hewants to say but he's not.
And he's a faith-based guy.
But from what I gather, theplayers love him.
The players love Manning too.
If Arch Manning is not thebackup, would there be this much
pressure or criticism of Quinn?
Speaker 4 (44:44):
No, and you know there's a precedent, Sean, and
you know it and I know it, andit was Chris Sims.
Chris Sims took a lot of heatbecause people wanted Major
Applewhite.
But what I think is differentis Major was a proven commodity.
I mean he was coming off, youknow, player of the year,
offensive player of the year,and then Mack replaced him and
(45:07):
then he bailed Chris out of acouple games and then started
most of the rest of them butthen, for his senior year, sat
until ultimately, you know thejust complete implosion that
Sims had in that conferencechampionship against Colorado.
Major had the heroic holidaybowl.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
What a good sideline.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah, yeah and you know.
But again I would just say, youknow I picked on Chris Sims as
far as griping him back, but itwas because he didn't show up
well in big games.
He had a lot of failuresagainst OU and against Colorado
and in another bowl game.
(45:49):
But I just don't understand whyeveryone is so ticked at Quinn
Ewers, except that I think manypeople think, well, we meaning
the Longhorns could be evenbetter with Arch Manning in
there, and then maybe they'll beproven right.
But every team is going to bedifferent.
(46:10):
There's going to be differentplayers next year, so we'll see.
But the Longhorns obviously areblessed to have Arch right there
and I've been surprised that hehadn't gotten more snaps and a
little more, you know, kind ofred zone looks, where it's not
obvious that he's going to runbut where it's a little more RPO
.
But Quinn Ewers is, I mean,that guy is, you know, ice cool.
(46:34):
I already used a couple ofancient Hollywood references but
I was thinking, you know, whenI was a kid, sean, everybody
talked about how Steve McQueen,his character, he was the
epitome of cool and to me that'skind of like Quinn Uris.
He's unblinking.
I mean he's an assassin backthere and he can carve you up
(46:54):
when the offensive line giveshim time.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, there's no doubt.
And then you know a big part of, I mean, since he's been the
quarterback, they're 33-9, okay,and approximately seven games.
It didn't play.
Think about that.
Remove those seven games and hestill produced those numbers
that we talked about earlier.
(47:18):
So, and I get it, he's injuryprone, I get it, but he still
produced.
There were some games that it'sjust being the quarterback of
Texas.
So I get it, I completelyunderstand.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Always got to overhype things.
You know you got a littlelocker room music make it sound
more important.
I like it.
I'm glad you do.
You're the one fan.
Back to the CFP.
But it's expanded CFP FinalFour that is expanded to 12 for
the first year.
I liked it.
I think it.
(48:10):
I think it's funny that fourteams who got first-round buys
winless 0-4.
Would you agree that that's theone chance.
Keep it the way it is or go to16, but if you keep it the way
it is, just because you won yourconference does not afford you
the opportunity to be a buy fromthe first round.
(48:30):
It should be the four bestteams in America according to
the CFP poll who get the buyright.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
I think that's what's going to happen.
I think that will happen, sean.
I mean, you know, we always saythat in government.
I mean we can't even getdaylight saving time.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Arizona, you can't.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
Yeah, that is true.
So maybe Cam Scatterboo hadsomething to do with it.
I don't know, but yeah, I thinkthat's going to get done where
the top four are going to getthe buys and whether or not
that's advantageous.
But you would think, as long asthe season is now, it's just
like people in the NFL live forthose buy weeks to get well.
(49:09):
Now I think it showed withTexas a couple times when you
get two byes.
Now I think that will change.
But it is remarkable to thinkthat the top four seeds were
ousted early and showed somerust.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
They did and hey, no disrespect to Arizona State or
Boise, but they did not deservea first-round buy.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
No.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
And nor did Texas, if you want to be honest.
Well, they were on the fringe.
Four or five, that's wherethey'd be, maybe, but you could
argue they should be a four,there's no doubt.
But the four, no.
I just in oregon, my goodness.
So that leads me to this texas,ohio state, in that semi-final
(50:04):
game against in the cotton bowl,which is not at the Bowl.
Some people are just nowrealizing that it hasn't been at
the Cotton Bowl.
The Cotton Bowl has not been atthe Cotton Bowl since 2010, I
believe.
Yeah, jerry, people are goingto be glad because I think you
and I both know the Cotton BowlStadium when they hosted the
Cotton Bowl it got pretty coldsometimes for those games I've
(50:29):
frozen there before a coupletimes.
Yeah, ohio State, your opinionon them all.
I will say Ryan Day unjustlycriticized in my opinion.
He's won all of his games, mostof them, except to Michigan the
last four years.
(50:49):
Okay, I still think OhioState's top to bottom the most
talented team in the country.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
I agree with you, Sean.
I thought they were going to be.
You know, once the playoffs gotset, I thought they're going to
be dangerous.
Yes, they obviously had a verymuch of an off day.
I mean, they just kind ofmailed it in for somehow against
Michigan, I don't know.
But you know it's been saidthis week, I think Dan Lanning
(51:20):
said it after Oregon's lossSometimes you have a bad day and
I remember Fred Akers tellingus that in the media.
I say us the old guys, yeah, andthey lost to Notre Dame.
You know, when Earl was asenior and had won the Heisman
and it just was a big meltdownand he said you ever had an off
day?
We had an off day and I thinkthat happened to Michigan, it
(51:45):
happened to Oregon the other dayand I don't know.
But I think ohio state isloaded.
I do think they should be maybea bigger favorite than they are
right now against texas.
But I think texas is going torelish this role of finally
being an underdog and seeingwhat they could do.
(52:06):
And you know, Ohio State'splayed so closely to perfection
that maybe they're due a fewblips and we'll see.
But anybody can have a bad day.
Anybody can have a superlativeday at this point, but it's not
baseball or basketball whereit's best of seven, so you got
(52:26):
to show up with the best you gotthat day.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
One game, one opportunity.
The thing, that thing.
That's okay.
I'll say this the thing thatencourages me about texas is
they usually start off fast,they have lulls, but they are
built from an experience pointof view of where they played
over the last two or three years, who they were up against and
the ability to overcome thatadversity and find a way to win.
(52:51):
I mean, now you can look on theother side of the coin, you can
look at that and say that's notgoing to work against a team
like Ohio State.
I like what you said.
I think being the underdog isgreat for Texas.
I think it is.
I think it's underdog is greatfor Texas.
I think it is.
I think it's a great role Onthe other side.
(53:12):
These are four true bluebloods,four true old-school bluebloods
.
Notre Dame is nasty, in myopinion, in a good way.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
They are, and it pains me to acknowledge that,
Sean, because, man, I hate NotreDame.
I was raised that way by daddy.
You know you don't want to everpull for those guys, so they
were kind of like.
You know, my second favoriteteam is whoever's playing Notre
Dame.
Yeah yeah, back since I grew up.
But I've talked to a lot ofLonghorn players who said they
(53:46):
were the dirtiest team they everplayed.
You know, any time that NotreDame played Texas, you know you
talk to Longhorns they're likeboy, those guys were dirty.
So, I mean, that's just, youknow, one footnote.
But boy, they're good, they aregood.
But the funny thing is, though,sean, you know, that stat
yesterday was amazing that RileyLeonard's MVP, and he threw for
(54:09):
90 yards, ran for 80.
He was clutch, but that justwasn't the Georgia team we're
used to, you know.
It just wasn't.
So it could have been differentwith Carson Beck.
It could have been different ifthey hadn't gotten greedy at
the end of the first half.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
So many options, and don't you love the?
Speaker 4 (54:34):
media oh, sec is done .
Hey, so is taylor swift, youknow, it's just.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, it's over with yeah, sec, the, the rain is over
.
I think we got the four bestteams in the country right now
playing who have been able toand it's, you know, georgia.
They're on their backupquarterback Gunnar Stockton, I
think, is going to be a greatquarterback.
I really do.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
I promise you he will not run up right up the middle
again.
Thanks to Andrew McCuba.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Man, that was a pop, wasn't it?
That might have been the stickof the year.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
I loved it.
I loved every part of it.
Hey Ben, tell me something good.
Larry Carlson, we have theselet's Talk About it series
episodes.
They're supposed to be realshort, but I've enjoyed this and
it has been the longest let'sTalk About it in the history of
(55:28):
let's Talk About it, but I'veenjoyed this and it has been the
longest let's Talk About it inthe history of let's Talk About
it, and I love it.
I'm not going to edit one bitout of this.
It's a great time.
Everyone says new year, new meor new beginnings, new Year's
resolutions, but to each theirown.
All I can say is just be great.
Try to be great at everything,larry.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
Carlson, tell me something good.
My brother, sean, I hope youdon't mind.
I'm going to use a littlemusical reference from one of my
favorites of all time, zz Top,who I did see in that famous or
infamous 1974 first annual,which turned out to be the last
annual Barn Dance and Barbecueon Darryl Royal's field and a
(56:16):
lot of hippies burned holes inthe AstroTurf.
But ZZ Top delivered just fine.
But it's a great song.
You might remember, sean, and Ilike to keep this close to my
heart a lot of times and it'sJesus just left Chicago.
And do you remember that one?
You know, ok, you know well,you're, you're a pup, so anyway.
(56:37):
But some people think it has adifferent meaning than this, but
I like to take it as it is.
There's this part at the endwhere he goes.
You know it's talking aboutJesus just left Chicago.
He's back for New Orleans.
End where he goes.
You know it's talking aboutJesus just left Chicago.
He's bound for new Orleans.
And then it says you might notsee him in person, but he'll see
you just the same.
You don't have to worry, causetaking care of business is his
(57:00):
name, and so I just think thatyou know, anytime you're down a
little bit or not.
You need to be lifted up.
You could think about that.
I like that, I know I do.
I'll leave you on that one fromthe great ZZ Top.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Who would have known we would be inspired, and it's a
profound lyric from ZZ Top.
That's deep but that is so truehave faith always.
Larry Carlson, I appreciate youtaking time and I'm looking
forward to partnering with youand Billy Dell on the Texas
Longhorn Support Network.
(57:41):
You guys watching, listening,follow and support this great
foundation, organization andnonprofit which essentially
helps humans in need.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
Sean, it's been such a pleasure to get to join you
and come on down to the world'sgreatest city, also known as San
Antonio, and I'll treat you tosome real Mexican food.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Man.
The ongoing debate.
Breakfast tacos are they betterin Austin?
Not a chance.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
Hey, anytime you get an opportunity to talk with
Larry Carson, who does not liketo be called a professor, just
call him Larry.
And anytime we get to talk tohim, longhorn football, college
athletics.
And anytime we get to talk tohim, longhorn football, college
athletics, even those TexasState Bobcats and the Texas
(58:36):
Longhorn Support Network andBilly Dell, it's always good to
talk about it.
Thank you, outro, music, you,you.
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