June 8, 2024 • 31 mins
Have you ever felt the ground beneath you shift so profoundly, it alters the course of your life?
Peiming Sun, known as Sunny, certainly has.
From her days as a molecular biologist to her transformative journey to become a holistic lifestyle mentor, Sunny's story is one of self-discovery and resilience.
Sunny applies ancient wisdom and modern science to help her mid-aged women clients change the story narratives and raise awareness about mind-body connection at the genetic level so that they can live with more energy, creativity and joy. Her Tiny Habits course is called Happiness Habits for People In Transition.
Today's episode takes you on a remarkable journey, where Sunny opens up about navigating the challenges of raising a special needs child and going through a difficult marriage.
Navigating Life's Changes:
- Sunny shares her journey from East to West, from a science-focused career to embracing spirituality and self-employment.
- She emphasizes the importance of experiencing change.
Transition to Holistic Coaching:
- Facing burnout while balancing work and family responsibilities, Sunny found ways to prioritize her well-being.
- She discusses her transition to coaching, integrating the Tiny Habits Method during the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Eastern and Western Tools:
- Judy and Sunny discuss the integration of Eastern practices, such as meditation and mindfulness, with Western lifestyle to reduce stress and increase happiness.
- We discuss why ancient practices may be undervalued in Western society.
Tiny Habits Coaching:
- Sunny explains the ABCs of Tiny Habits: Anchor, Behavior, and Celebration, emphasizing the power of celebrating small achievements to rewire the brain and boost motivation.
Finding Alignment and Flow:
- Sunny shares her framework "SLOW" (Self-awareness, Lifestyle, Openness, Wisdom) to help individuals align with their energy flow. SLOW emphasizes the significance of acceptance and finding one's unique path.
Heart-Brain Coherence Technique:
- During our interview, Sunny shares a simple practice for calming the mind called Heart-Brain Coherence. The technique involves heart focus, heart breathing, and heart feeling, as a way to reduce anxiety and connect with one's energy.
You can contact Sunny at https://www.keysforprosperityclub.com
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Sunny (00:00):
Well, like everybody else , we all have stories right,
like how we navigate life, andfor me it's a story from the
East to the West, from scienceto more of the spiritual, and
also from working become aself-employed.
Judy Oskam (00:21):
Welcome to Stories of Change and Creativity.
I'm Judy Oskam and I loveinterviewing people who inspire,
educate and motivate.
On this episode, you'll hearfrom Peiming Sun, but everybody
knows her as Sunny.
Sunny trained as a molecularbiologist and then life changed.
She now coaches others toincrease happiness and reduce
(00:43):
stress.
She works in Mandarin and inEnglish and she continues to
blend Eastern and Western toolsand strategy to help people like
me find ease and flow.
I hope you enjoy ourconversation.
Sunny (00:58):
So it's a lot of navigations and I believe that
helped me to understand who I am, because if you stay in the
same place and eat the same food, speak the same language and
never travel, that give a littleharder for us to understand.
(01:21):
You know our essence and stuffbecause Think about the fish.
The fish never leave the water.
They don't even know they aredrinking the water.
So when the fish change theenvironment, they say the taste
is different and they start tohave more awareness about
themselves.
I think that's what Iexperienced in my life.
(01:44):
I just have a lot of changesand shifts and then I finally
become more comfortable aboutwho I am, so I don't care that
much about opinion.
Yeah, I respect other people'sopinions, of course, but then I
don't take it to my heartanymore.
It's like that's just opinion,right, just have some fun with
(02:05):
it.
Judy Oskam (02:06):
Well, you know it' I think it's interesting that you
have a background in science.
Talk about how you, how youwent from.
You know a master's in scienceand biology.
Was it biology, or tell me?
Sunny (02:20):
Molecular biology.
Judy Oskam (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, molecular biology.
And how did you from veryscience-based focus into the
spiritual.
What drove you to go there?
Sunny (02:32):
It had to be something, I think everybody, sooner or
later, will have different voicein their head, and I just
happened to about my mid-30s.
So what happened is other thanI'm working in pharmaceutical I
really devoted to my work butthen I also have a young family
(02:53):
and I just start to have needs,like I'm a mother and my
marriage back then is not thatbalanced.
So I feel like I'm burning outall the time and try to take
care of everything Other thantwo kids.
I feel I have three kids.
So that is really tough for meto really navigate it and also
(03:19):
have a special need kids turnout to be.
So then I said, well, this istoo much to juggle, so I decided
to just quit my work.
Then also, my marriage fellapart and the kids have a lot of
needs and a lot of surgeriesgoing on.
I have to run it around.
A lot of challenges, I wouldsay, but then so then I start to
(03:44):
find out what can I do to helpmyself.
You know it's like I don't wantto be burned out all the time,
I don't want to be happy, Idon't want to be grumpy because
I am raising two kids.
You know my mother instinctcoming and say I need to make
sure I'm okay.
Judy Oskam (04:00):
Right.
Sunny (04:15):
So then I go back to my heritage.
There's a lot of Right.
Then I get out a little bit andI feel, wow, actually it's so
many things within me I don'teven know I have it.
It's kind of embodiment.
And then COVID hits.
Then, after I quit, I have alot of navigation.
(04:36):
I can skip that and go down tothe COVID.
So at the COVID 2020, I closedmy restaurant, I closed my food
truck.
That's the two crazy thing Idid.
So then I moved to online.
I want to see what?
Because I still stay home.
I'm a caregiver for 18 years,so everything I do need to be
(05:00):
around my family.
I cannot go out.
I couldn't do a normal work.
So I'm thinking, well, you, youknow all this internet, because
2020 everybody go internetright like kind of shift the
ship.
Everybody kind of move right onwhatever to um, internet, even
shopping or meeting people oranything, right, um.
(05:22):
So that's my uh journey.
Start, do it.
And I become a tiny habit coach.
Because that is really theturning point.
I say, wow, that can reallyhelp me get out from that
limiting belief and all thisunhappiness.
So I implement all this tinyhabit recipes.
(05:42):
Then the door is wide open.
So right now I'm a holisticlifestyle mentor.
Implement other people'sbehavior into their life with
tiny habit methods.
Judy Oskam (05:55):
Oh, I love that.
I love that and as a fellowtiny habits coach, I can totally
relate to that.
Why do you think in the West,why do you think we have
forgotten or we don't value asmuch some of those ancient
practices?
Sunny (06:15):
Well, I don't think we are aware enough.
Everything relates to ourconsciousness level.
When we are quiet, when we arerelaxed, when we are really
quiet and don't say anything,that is the time we start to
have more connection with ourconsciousness.
(06:36):
But, based on my observation,people here are so busy they're
just like run, run, run, thatlittle engine never stop right.
And um, even they do meditation.
This time, okay, 10 minutesdone, I'm gone.
I'm like the meditation is foryou to have the pause, for you
to have the time to just enjoyyour presence.
(06:59):
But you become, make it like anexercise, like you are check,
dip, dip, dip.
So you totally lost thatessence about just still and
enjoy that nothingness.
But I think it's become.
I mean, more and more peoplestart to practice.
They understand they don't needto be rushed to the meditation,
(07:21):
they don't need to rush to theyoga right.
They rushed to the meditation,they didn't need to rush to the
yoga Right.
So I do see a lot of peoplestart to relax more.
Yeah, and that is a good thing.
So I don't think it's anybecause the West or East are
different, it's just lifestyle.
Mm-hmm, right, where you're.
Tuning to when you're young,right, tune into when you're
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young, right, that's how Idiscovered a lot of programming
and attitude really becomeshaping our life.
When a young age, then if youwe are not aware we are not
really have this desire to getout and update our lifestyle,
that can be until we are burntout yeah, until something
happens.
Judy Oskam (08:09):
Yes, you know break your.
You know you have to stop right, but sometimes that is not the
good ending you don't need to gothere right well, when, when,
when, when people come and theyask for your guidance and your
support.
What are they asking you forhelp with?
Sunny (08:32):
I think most of it is the self-worth, particularly for
women.
They don't understand sometimesthe self-worth is not something
we can get from outside, rightSelf.
So anything self-love,self-assurance, self-empowerment
(08:54):
really need to come in fromhere.
But I think we are trained,like me included, to look for
solutions and we lost in thejourney of looking other than
just give us some space and loveyourself more and go out to the
(09:15):
nature, walk around, pat thetrees, relate to nature.
You can just give us out ofthat mind, because when we think
about if we don't do this, wedon't have a time to do it.
Um, we need to find a moreeffective way, and that is take
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us even further away from theself-worth, because then you're
looking, you say I don't havethat thing.
Then I cannot be happy.
I need that, otherwise I don'tfeel successful.
We always do that too much.
We need to have some kind of inand out, vertical and the
corral everywhere, the quantum.
When you really become harmony,that is the time you start to
(10:01):
understand you don't needanything else, it's just enough.
Yeah, yeah, but I think that'stough for a lot of high
achievers because we'reprogrammed to want to prove
ourselves right.
Judy Oskam (10:15):
And look external and not internal.
Sunny (10:19):
Yeah, you need to look everywhere, so not too much that
you need to have this too.
Like, of course we need sometools, we need some help.
You know guidance, but if itdepends on nothing, then they
didn't fill out your ownself-worth, then you still don't
feel that's enough.
You become like, yeah, I gotthis, but I'm not celebrating.
(10:40):
You know, that's how I locktiny habits.
Just a little thing.
You celebrate, yeah, right,then you can build up because,
hey, I recognize myself.
Yeah, then if something comingis great, but I don't need that
to be filled, I'm enough.
So the celebration from thetiny habits, training and
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methods is such a turning pointfor many, many women if they
don't have enough self-worth.
Judy Oskam (11:11):
Can you give us an example of a tiny habit recipe
that you might give someoneabout self-worth?
Sunny (11:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that is the first time Iused the tiny habit, of course,
the famous Maui habit.
You know, when you wake up, yousay this is a good day.
But I put another one in frontof that called habit of a
miracle, another one in front ofthat called Habit of a Miracle.
So what happened is, evenbefore you put your feet on the
(11:40):
ground, you open your eyes.
When you open your eyes, Iwould just say when I open my
eyes, I will say to myself I'm amiracle.
Then smile, yeah.
Then I pause a little bit, thenI use them all I have.
Hey, today's going gonna be agood day, yeah.
So that miracle, you know, inthe biological sense, because
(12:03):
everything for me is biology,chemistry, physics, right.
So, in in think about howwonderful you are, you have all
the miraculous things within youfor you to digest the food, for
you to, you know, have abreathe.
You know that, like, if youdon't have those single cells
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trillium, trillium that worktogether like a community, you
cannot really do what you'redoing today.
Just recognize that, right,that's the little thing.
Little, yeah, I love that.
Judy Oskam (12:37):
yeah, yeah, yeah you know, I you know, and and the
tiny habits recipe.
Can you break down what a tinyhabits recipe is with the abc
for us?
Sunny (12:48):
yes, yes, um, for people don't know it and check out the
book by dr b fuck tiny habitsand the recipe.
Actually, abc stands for A isanchor moments, that you have a
routine, so you just takeadvantage, you already have some
behavior in a certain time ofyour day and choose the anchor
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moments.
And B is the behavior becausetiny, right, so we need to find
something less than two minutes,or even, for me, using a lot of
just one sentence super sure,yeah, yeah so.
Or a start point.
It's like starting, like if youwant to go out for walking, put
a shoes on that kind of smallstep, then c is the one I just
(13:32):
mentioned celebration.
It really pay attention to thelittle things we do, like we are
all miracle.
You don't have to pay attentionto how you digest your food,
how you drink your water, howyou put air into your nose,
right, but those things reallykeep us moving.
So, as tiny as possible.
Then you recognize thatbehavior and you celebrate.
(13:55):
And that's scientifically isput that happy hormone into your
body, the bloodstream, so yourchemistry start change.
Then you start to have thisalertness, you have the
motivations to want to do more.
So that is the magic of the ABC.
Judy Oskam (14:16):
Exactly exactly, and I've seen it work in my life
and I've seen it work in otherpeople's lives, and it just
really is so simple when we canmake the behavior so tiny that
it doesn't require muchmotivation at all, and it really
doesn't need much else thanthat prompt or that anchor.
Sunny (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, but it's still a neat practice.
That's how we have the recipes,we can change it.
And if that income moment isnot really work, then change
different time and behavior.
If that behavior is really notable to do it, you don't have
ability or environment to do it.
Change it and play with it.
(14:57):
And celebration is the one Inever give up, like that part
needs to be there all the time.
Judy Oskam (15:03):
Sure for sure, and that's the one that was.
I don't know about you, thatwas the hardest one for me is
celebrating, because it justfelt kind of silly.
But then I realized, if I coulddo the celebration part, it
really did rewire my brain andit felt really good.
So I allowed myself to feelgood about whatever that yes
(15:25):
behavior was.
So yeah.
Sunny (15:28):
I think that is very difficult for me when I'm in the
low consciousness, lowvibration, because everything is
kind of grinding.
But then I think maybe thetiming is right because I don't
need to live that life anymore.
So I choose to be lighting upand just enjoy the moments.
(15:50):
And my style is still very justgentle, just smile.
I don't do jump or thesuperhero, Because I was just
like how can I do that?
But sometimes I play with itwhen there's nobody around, so
why not?
Judy Oskam (16:06):
That's great.
Sunny (16:07):
Yes.
Judy Oskam (16:08):
Well, sunny, talk a little bit about how, when
someone comes to you and theyneed some guidance on what are
the opportunities out there tolearn, I mean, where does
someone start, not just theself-worth part, but where does
someone start learning aboutvibration, learning about
(16:29):
consciousness?
How do you even start that,that whole process?
Sunny (16:35):
well, first, I have a framework called slow it's
acronym, actually, soself-awareness, and for the s is
we are all aware in the way.
But can we ditch the awarenessand start to shift that a little
bit?
You know, know, the pauses canreally do that Like.
(16:57):
This is the tiny habits.
I use it as a strategy pauses.
So when you pause then youshift the language in your mind.
You can play, you know, keypoints in the day, the morning,
the mid days and before you goto bed.
So practice that self-talk,different self-talk, different
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self-talk.
Pause and recognize yourselfand celebrate.
So that can definitely increaseyour self-awareness.
And also, if they're reallylooking for some tools, I have
toolbox can be positivepsychology, I can have esoterics
, I'm doing the ancient wisdomstyle.
(17:39):
So there's all differenttoolboxes.
That depends on what theyreally want to open up.
And the second one is L, it'sthe lifestyle.
So I will like to know how theywake up and how they eat and
all those different lifestyle.
If there's something I can tuneup a little bit, I'll give them
(17:59):
a suggestion and they can goahead to practice and come back
to okay, yeah, it worked for meor it's not.
Then we can work together again.
And the always openness is theposture.
To be honest, it's physical.
So if we are like lotus, youyou know, just do that all the
time.
When you feel constructed, justexpand it out.
(18:21):
So that is the openness, butalso that remind us to be open
to different opinions, sure.
So don't take us seriously thatkind of thing.
And the last one's, the w, iswisdom.
We have so many wisdom withinour body, right and right now.
We have a technology actuallycan help us.
(18:44):
They are using the energy,they're using the lights, all
the physical work.
They don't need to give you themedicine or surgery, but those
lights from the naturalresources can boost your energy.
So I do have products I suggestfor people to try it to see
whether your energy flow becomesdifferently, and also your
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movements, but all the slow, ofcourse.
Slow pass, don't push too muchand have your segment of time to
dedicate to slow.
It's like schedule a calendarwith a slow or joy, whatever you
call it.
At that moment you have to justbreak through, just be you.
(19:31):
Then that slow really help alot of people that want to get
things done and don't have theright energy, because once you
flow, you just follow your ownway.
Then you will have more energyto do anything you like at the
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right time.
Because sometimes I think weare misaligned when we have the
most energy, we do something notnecessary using that energy,
but when we don't have enoughenergy, we force ourselves to do
something that needs a lot ofenergy.
So it's really the alignmentsand understanding your own flow
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that can just fix everything.
Judy Oskam (20:18):
Oh, that's good, that's good.
Well, and can you give me anexample of someone who has come
to you and what you've seen theresult from, so that listeners
can understand what they could,you know, learn from this?
Sunny (20:32):
Yeah, I'm one of the Thrive Global coach and among
those coachees we call them tocome to me.
They are all curious about ohreally, we have different energy
flow.
I say, yes, everybody'sdifferent, right?
So we do have unique way to seeourselves, and that is one
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angle.
The other, I'm doing someesoteric reading.
So people just need to givethem their birth certificate,
time, location.
I actually can disclose theirenergy profile because they have
all the system now, there theyare.
(21:18):
I don't want to say scientificproven, but it's evidence-based.
So when you know that, then youcan play with it.
You don't need to totally trustit because you know self-doubt
actually can use for a good use.
But don't doubt too much.
You need to be, I'm not sure,but you can play with it.
(21:39):
You're curious about it, right?
So you play with whatever.
Then you can see thedifferences.
For myself, it's definitely,you know.
I start to shift it because Iknow my energy need to be more
allowing.
I'm not good for forcing.
If I'm forcing too much,everything's gone.
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But if I just relax and sitthere, people come in and you
know, I don't even know how didyou find me?
I don't know.
I just want to talk to you.
You know, those people start tofly and flying, is that?
Wow, if I really know that, Ican just kind of, you know, stay
there and know what I want, andsince people will come because
they are ready, I'm ready yeahin a way, I think it's just the
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energy.
Once we know how to flow withyour own energy, then things
become much easier and you havemore energy because you don't
waste your energy to force, togo to the wrong place or do too
much and you don't really havethings to maintain yourself.
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That's how I see a lot offemale entrepreneurs.
They are working in thisenvironment.
They think it's the only way tostand out strong.
You know, I want to be thesuperwoman In the body builds.
We are really different thanmale.
We need to use our advantage asa female body and don't fall
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into the system the male created.
Now, not necessarily good foreverybody, right.
But if they're successful,that's great, we celebrate for
them.
But we need to find our own way, knowing our energy flow and
knowing our genetic profile,because that system I'm using it
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, is related to our genetics.
So get back to my molecularbiologist, because now we know,
right, the genome, human genomeis just part of the framework
right but lifestyle and theepigenetic, the epigenome we
call the epigenetic inferenceslike your lifestyle, your
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thought, your diet, environments, your sleep, all that can
impact your genetic right.
So that happy is really thelifestyle it's really just love
ourself and relax and slow down,yeah, then your gene would turn
around the right way then youdon't need even worry about like
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.
Judy Oskam (24:19):
You know how to activate our gene, but you just
happen it sounds like a way ofjust finding your place in the
world.
Is that what it is finding yourplace?
Sunny (24:33):
yeah as well, even finding is part, but it's like
accepting this the other wayfinding and accepting.
Judy Oskam (24:40):
I love that.
Yeah, I love that yeah well, Ialways try and ask my guests
about their personal strengths.
I'm a gallup strengths coachand I think there's a lot of
science in the gallupCliftonStrengths assessment and
everything.
And what do you see as your ownstrengths, your own personal
strengths, that have helped youkind of navigate this?
Sunny (25:02):
Yeah, it's fun Like three years ago, before COVID I take,
and now it's totally different.
Like my highest in then isspirituality.
Judy Oskam (25:13):
Yeah.
Sunny (25:14):
But now my highest is the curiosity.
But I can see myself actuallymaybe just move around.
It's the same, like maybe scalegot a little bit shift right,
sure.
So my um, I think the highest Ihave is curiosity, love to
learn, humor.
(25:34):
Then spirituality is stillthere, but it's number five now.
Then I have some things likeopenness too.
I am just accepting more otherthan total force.
So that's how I put it alltogether.
I'm curious because I'm thementor, so I always ask
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questions about my people hey,how you do that right?
Then I will put some humor.
use my own story, say hey youknow I learned this way, Then I
also like to learn.
So I'm constantly learning newtools and to see how people
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apply and how they speak, howthey communicate.
That is my fascinating to like,observe human behavior, human
communication.
So that is, I'm practicing it.
But I'm not sure after fouryears my strengths will shift,
because what I see is thepersonality can shape and we can
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change the personality.
Someone says it's hard.
I think no.
If once you know yourself, yourenergy, you can flow it, just
choose it.
But the essence never change.
Thus I find out.
My essence is always there, butthe personality I can choose.
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When you are aware you got moreof a consciousness.
Oh, I'd like that personalitybefore, but how about this right
?
So it's not denying ourselves,it's just kind of involved it's
just very flow right for me.
Yeah, that's kind of fun oh,that's great.
Judy Oskam (27:20):
Well, give us some last tips on um for people
listening, about how they canmaybe find and understand their
own energy, and give us a tip ortwo if you would yeah, the
things I practice myself iscalled the heart brain coherence
is basically, if you feel yourmind is non-stopping, just crazy
(27:45):
.
Sunny (27:46):
You want to slow down, right, you want to slow.
So that is the time you do theheart-brain coherence.
There's three simple steps.
You can find it at theheartmassorg.
They're backed by all thescientific data, so it's not
like a make it up.
So the first step is you justpay attention to your heart area
(28:08):
, so we call it heart locationor heart focus.
You can touch it.
Our hand is all the energy.
You just touch your hand.
Um, using your hand, touch yourheart.
So that is the first step.
It's a heart focus.
And second step is to call heartbreathing.
Basically you, the heartbeat.
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The rhythm actually is not thatsuper fast.
So if you do follow that rhythm, you know in and out, in and
out, you slow down your breatheand go deeper too.
Then that's called hardbreathing.
And the third is when you getinto the rhythm you start to
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think about or just imagine abeautiful forest or a good food
or, um, puppies, you know, makeyou smile, anything, make you
smile.
You skip back to thatimagination zone.
So it's sweet together.
You know heart focus, heartbreathing and heart feeling.
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Then you can calm down yourcrazy mind.
A monkey mind will be just kindof flow with your heart,
because heart has more of thepower.
They have a more of the energyfield in our mind.
I think it's like 500 timesmore higher or something.
It's very strong.
But sometimes we just don't payattention.
We're just using our head anddrive true, yes, so true.
(29:31):
So if you combine you actuallycan erase the self-judgments,
because the heart they don'thave the judgments.
Judy Oskam (29:43):
It's our mind, it's our mind.
Sunny (29:45):
So once you practice that , anytime you feel anxious or
something, you just let theheart take over, then that
worked Very, very, very simple,less than two minutes every time
you do that I love that, butyou have to consciously make an
effort to do it that's how thetiny habit become powerful.
(30:07):
That's right into the behavior.
You know.
Just find an anchor momentafter each zoom meeting you.
You got two minutes, do that.
I love that have to.
You know, before sleep, do that.
Judy Oskam (30:20):
Yeah, that's great.
Sunny (30:21):
Make a recipe, yeah.
Judy Oskam (30:22):
Yeah, I love that.
I love it, Sunny.
Thank you so much for sharingyour wisdom and expertise with
us.
I really appreciate it.
Sunny (30:30):
Oh, thank you for having me as a guest.
Judy Oskam (30:34):
Fantastic, and we'll put your contact information in
the show notes and you're doingpodcasting.
You're doing all kinds of funthings that people can keep
learning and growing and connectwith you as well.
Sunny (30:45):
Thank you so much, Judy.
Judy Oskam (30:47):
And thank you for listening to Stories of Change
and Creativity and remember ifyou've got a story to share or
know someone who does.
Reach out to me at judyoskam.
com.
Well, like everybody else , we all have stories right,
like how we navigate life, andfor me it's a story from the
East to the West, from scienceto more of the spiritual, and
also from working become aself-employed.
Judy Oskam (00:21):
Welcome to Stories of Change and Creativity.
I'm Judy Oskam and I loveinterviewing people who inspire,
educate and motivate.
On this episode, you'll hearfrom Peiming Sun, but everybody
knows her as Sunny.
Sunny trained as a molecularbiologist and then life changed.
She now coaches others toincrease happiness and reduce
(00:43):
stress.
She works in Mandarin and inEnglish and she continues to
blend Eastern and Western toolsand strategy to help people like
me find ease and flow.
I hope you enjoy ourconversation.
Sunny (00:58):
So it's a lot of navigations and I believe that
helped me to understand who I am, because if you stay in the
same place and eat the same food, speak the same language and
never travel, that give a littleharder for us to understand.
(01:21):
You know our essence and stuffbecause Think about the fish.
The fish never leave the water.
They don't even know they aredrinking the water.
So when the fish change theenvironment, they say the taste
is different and they start tohave more awareness about
themselves.
I think that's what Iexperienced in my life.
(01:44):
I just have a lot of changesand shifts and then I finally
become more comfortable aboutwho I am, so I don't care that
much about opinion.
Yeah, I respect other people'sopinions, of course, but then I
don't take it to my heartanymore.
It's like that's just opinion,right, just have some fun with
(02:05):
it.
Judy Oskam (02:06):
Well, you know it' I think it's interesting that you
have a background in science.
Talk about how you, how youwent from.
You know a master's in scienceand biology.
Was it biology, or tell me?
Sunny (02:20):
Molecular biology.
Judy Oskam (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, molecular biology.
And how did you from veryscience-based focus into the
spiritual.
What drove you to go there?
Sunny (02:32):
It had to be something, I think everybody, sooner or
later, will have different voicein their head, and I just
happened to about my mid-30s.
So what happened is other thanI'm working in pharmaceutical I
really devoted to my work butthen I also have a young family
(02:53):
and I just start to have needs,like I'm a mother and my
marriage back then is not thatbalanced.
So I feel like I'm burning outall the time and try to take
care of everything Other thantwo kids.
I feel I have three kids.
So that is really tough for meto really navigate it and also
(03:19):
have a special need kids turnout to be.
So then I said, well, this istoo much to juggle, so I decided
to just quit my work.
Then also, my marriage fellapart and the kids have a lot of
needs and a lot of surgeriesgoing on.
I have to run it around.
A lot of challenges, I wouldsay, but then so then I start to
(03:44):
find out what can I do to helpmyself.
You know it's like I don't wantto be burned out all the time,
I don't want to be happy, Idon't want to be grumpy because
I am raising two kids.
You know my mother instinctcoming and say I need to make
sure I'm okay.
Judy Oskam (04:00):
Right.
Sunny (04:15):
So then I go back to my heritage.
There's a lot of Right.
Then I get out a little bit andI feel, wow, actually it's so
many things within me I don'teven know I have it.
It's kind of embodiment.
And then COVID hits.
Then, after I quit, I have alot of navigation.
(04:36):
I can skip that and go down tothe COVID.
So at the COVID 2020, I closedmy restaurant, I closed my food
truck.
That's the two crazy thing Idid.
So then I moved to online.
I want to see what?
Because I still stay home.
I'm a caregiver for 18 years,so everything I do need to be
(05:00):
around my family.
I cannot go out.
I couldn't do a normal work.
So I'm thinking, well, you, youknow all this internet, because
2020 everybody go internetright like kind of shift the
ship.
Everybody kind of move right onwhatever to um, internet, even
shopping or meeting people oranything, right, um.
(05:22):
So that's my uh journey.
Start, do it.
And I become a tiny habit coach.
Because that is really theturning point.
I say, wow, that can reallyhelp me get out from that
limiting belief and all thisunhappiness.
So I implement all this tinyhabit recipes.
(05:42):
Then the door is wide open.
So right now I'm a holisticlifestyle mentor.
Implement other people'sbehavior into their life with
tiny habit methods.
Judy Oskam (05:55):
Oh, I love that.
I love that and as a fellowtiny habits coach, I can totally
relate to that.
Why do you think in the West,why do you think we have
forgotten or we don't value asmuch some of those ancient
practices?
Sunny (06:15):
Well, I don't think we are aware enough.
Everything relates to ourconsciousness level.
When we are quiet, when we arerelaxed, when we are really
quiet and don't say anything,that is the time we start to
have more connection with ourconsciousness.
(06:36):
But, based on my observation,people here are so busy they're
just like run, run, run, thatlittle engine never stop right.
And um, even they do meditation.
This time, okay, 10 minutesdone, I'm gone.
I'm like the meditation is foryou to have the pause, for you
to have the time to just enjoyyour presence.
(06:59):
But you become, make it like anexercise, like you are check,
dip, dip, dip.
So you totally lost thatessence about just still and
enjoy that nothingness.
But I think it's become.
I mean, more and more peoplestart to practice.
They understand they don't needto be rushed to the meditation,
(07:21):
they don't need to rush to theyoga right.
They rushed to the meditation,they didn't need to rush to the
yoga Right.
So I do see a lot of peoplestart to relax more.
Yeah, and that is a good thing.
So I don't think it's anybecause the West or East are
different, it's just lifestyle.
Mm-hmm, right, where you're.
Tuning to when you're young,right, tune into when you're
(07:49):
young, right, that's how Idiscovered a lot of programming
and attitude really becomeshaping our life.
When a young age, then if youwe are not aware we are not
really have this desire to getout and update our lifestyle,
that can be until we are burntout yeah, until something
happens.
Judy Oskam (08:09):
Yes, you know break your.
You know you have to stop right, but sometimes that is not the
good ending you don't need to gothere right well, when, when,
when, when people come and theyask for your guidance and your
support.
What are they asking you forhelp with?
Sunny (08:32):
I think most of it is the self-worth, particularly for
women.
They don't understand sometimesthe self-worth is not something
we can get from outside, rightSelf.
So anything self-love,self-assurance, self-empowerment
(08:54):
really need to come in fromhere.
But I think we are trained,like me included, to look for
solutions and we lost in thejourney of looking other than
just give us some space and loveyourself more and go out to the
(09:15):
nature, walk around, pat thetrees, relate to nature.
You can just give us out ofthat mind, because when we think
about if we don't do this, wedon't have a time to do it.
Um, we need to find a moreeffective way, and that is take
(09:35):
us even further away from theself-worth, because then you're
looking, you say I don't havethat thing.
Then I cannot be happy.
I need that, otherwise I don'tfeel successful.
We always do that too much.
We need to have some kind of inand out, vertical and the
corral everywhere, the quantum.
When you really become harmony,that is the time you start to
(10:01):
understand you don't needanything else, it's just enough.
Yeah, yeah, but I think that'stough for a lot of high
achievers because we'reprogrammed to want to prove
ourselves right.
Judy Oskam (10:15):
And look external and not internal.
Sunny (10:19):
Yeah, you need to look everywhere, so not too much that
you need to have this too.
Like, of course we need sometools, we need some help.
You know guidance, but if itdepends on nothing, then they
didn't fill out your ownself-worth, then you still don't
feel that's enough.
You become like, yeah, I gotthis, but I'm not celebrating.
(10:40):
You know, that's how I locktiny habits.
Just a little thing.
You celebrate, yeah, right,then you can build up because,
hey, I recognize myself.
Yeah, then if something comingis great, but I don't need that
to be filled, I'm enough.
So the celebration from thetiny habits, training and
(11:03):
methods is such a turning pointfor many, many women if they
don't have enough self-worth.
Judy Oskam (11:11):
Can you give us an example of a tiny habit recipe
that you might give someoneabout self-worth?
Sunny (11:19):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that is the first time Iused the tiny habit, of course,
the famous Maui habit.
You know, when you wake up, yousay this is a good day.
But I put another one in frontof that called habit of a
miracle, another one in front ofthat called Habit of a Miracle.
So what happened is, evenbefore you put your feet on the
(11:40):
ground, you open your eyes.
When you open your eyes, Iwould just say when I open my
eyes, I will say to myself I'm amiracle.
Then smile, yeah.
Then I pause a little bit, thenI use them all I have.
Hey, today's going gonna be agood day, yeah.
So that miracle, you know, inthe biological sense, because
(12:03):
everything for me is biology,chemistry, physics, right.
So, in in think about howwonderful you are, you have all
the miraculous things within youfor you to digest the food, for
you to, you know, have abreathe.
You know that, like, if youdon't have those single cells
(12:26):
trillium, trillium that worktogether like a community, you
cannot really do what you'redoing today.
Just recognize that, right,that's the little thing.
Little, yeah, I love that.
Judy Oskam (12:37):
yeah, yeah, yeah you know, I you know, and and the
tiny habits recipe.
Can you break down what a tinyhabits recipe is with the abc
for us?
Sunny (12:48):
yes, yes, um, for people don't know it and check out the
book by dr b fuck tiny habitsand the recipe.
Actually, abc stands for A isanchor moments, that you have a
routine, so you just takeadvantage, you already have some
behavior in a certain time ofyour day and choose the anchor
(13:09):
moments.
And B is the behavior becausetiny, right, so we need to find
something less than two minutes,or even, for me, using a lot of
just one sentence super sure,yeah, yeah so.
Or a start point.
It's like starting, like if youwant to go out for walking, put
a shoes on that kind of smallstep, then c is the one I just
(13:32):
mentioned celebration.
It really pay attention to thelittle things we do, like we are
all miracle.
You don't have to pay attentionto how you digest your food,
how you drink your water, howyou put air into your nose,
right, but those things reallykeep us moving.
So, as tiny as possible.
Then you recognize thatbehavior and you celebrate.
(13:55):
And that's scientifically isput that happy hormone into your
body, the bloodstream, so yourchemistry start change.
Then you start to have thisalertness, you have the
motivations to want to do more.
So that is the magic of the ABC.
Judy Oskam (14:16):
Exactly exactly, and I've seen it work in my life
and I've seen it work in otherpeople's lives, and it just
really is so simple when we canmake the behavior so tiny that
it doesn't require muchmotivation at all, and it really
doesn't need much else thanthat prompt or that anchor.
Sunny (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, but it's still a neat practice.
That's how we have the recipes,we can change it.
And if that income moment isnot really work, then change
different time and behavior.
If that behavior is really notable to do it, you don't have
ability or environment to do it.
Change it and play with it.
(14:57):
And celebration is the one Inever give up, like that part
needs to be there all the time.
Judy Oskam (15:03):
Sure for sure, and that's the one that was.
I don't know about you, thatwas the hardest one for me is
celebrating, because it justfelt kind of silly.
But then I realized, if I coulddo the celebration part, it
really did rewire my brain andit felt really good.
So I allowed myself to feelgood about whatever that yes
(15:25):
behavior was.
So yeah.
Sunny (15:28):
I think that is very difficult for me when I'm in the
low consciousness, lowvibration, because everything is
kind of grinding.
But then I think maybe thetiming is right because I don't
need to live that life anymore.
So I choose to be lighting upand just enjoy the moments.
(15:50):
And my style is still very justgentle, just smile.
I don't do jump or thesuperhero, Because I was just
like how can I do that?
But sometimes I play with itwhen there's nobody around, so
why not?
Judy Oskam (16:06):
That's great.
Sunny (16:07):
Yes.
Judy Oskam (16:08):
Well, sunny, talk a little bit about how, when
someone comes to you and theyneed some guidance on what are
the opportunities out there tolearn, I mean, where does
someone start, not just theself-worth part, but where does
someone start learning aboutvibration, learning about
(16:29):
consciousness?
How do you even start that,that whole process?
Sunny (16:35):
well, first, I have a framework called slow it's
acronym, actually, soself-awareness, and for the s is
we are all aware in the way.
But can we ditch the awarenessand start to shift that a little
bit?
You know, know, the pauses canreally do that Like.
(16:57):
This is the tiny habits.
I use it as a strategy pauses.
So when you pause then youshift the language in your mind.
You can play, you know, keypoints in the day, the morning,
the mid days and before you goto bed.
So practice that self-talk,different self-talk, different
(17:17):
self-talk.
Pause and recognize yourselfand celebrate.
So that can definitely increaseyour self-awareness.
And also, if they're reallylooking for some tools, I have
toolbox can be positivepsychology, I can have esoterics
, I'm doing the ancient wisdomstyle.
(17:39):
So there's all differenttoolboxes.
That depends on what theyreally want to open up.
And the second one is L, it'sthe lifestyle.
So I will like to know how theywake up and how they eat and
all those different lifestyle.
If there's something I can tuneup a little bit, I'll give them
(17:59):
a suggestion and they can goahead to practice and come back
to okay, yeah, it worked for meor it's not.
Then we can work together again.
And the always openness is theposture.
To be honest, it's physical.
So if we are like lotus, youyou know, just do that all the
time.
When you feel constructed, justexpand it out.
(18:21):
So that is the openness, butalso that remind us to be open
to different opinions, sure.
So don't take us seriously thatkind of thing.
And the last one's, the w, iswisdom.
We have so many wisdom withinour body, right and right now.
We have a technology actuallycan help us.
(18:44):
They are using the energy,they're using the lights, all
the physical work.
They don't need to give you themedicine or surgery, but those
lights from the naturalresources can boost your energy.
So I do have products I suggestfor people to try it to see
whether your energy flow becomesdifferently, and also your
(19:07):
movements, but all the slow, ofcourse.
Slow pass, don't push too muchand have your segment of time to
dedicate to slow.
It's like schedule a calendarwith a slow or joy, whatever you
call it.
At that moment you have to justbreak through, just be you.
(19:31):
Then that slow really help alot of people that want to get
things done and don't have theright energy, because once you
flow, you just follow your ownway.
Then you will have more energyto do anything you like at the
(19:53):
right time.
Because sometimes I think weare misaligned when we have the
most energy, we do something notnecessary using that energy,
but when we don't have enoughenergy, we force ourselves to do
something that needs a lot ofenergy.
So it's really the alignmentsand understanding your own flow
(20:15):
that can just fix everything.
Judy Oskam (20:18):
Oh, that's good, that's good.
Well, and can you give me anexample of someone who has come
to you and what you've seen theresult from, so that listeners
can understand what they could,you know, learn from this?
Sunny (20:32):
Yeah, I'm one of the Thrive Global coach and among
those coachees we call them tocome to me.
They are all curious about ohreally, we have different energy
flow.
I say, yes, everybody'sdifferent, right?
So we do have unique way to seeourselves, and that is one
(20:57):
angle.
The other, I'm doing someesoteric reading.
So people just need to givethem their birth certificate,
time, location.
I actually can disclose theirenergy profile because they have
all the system now, there theyare.
(21:18):
I don't want to say scientificproven, but it's evidence-based.
So when you know that, then youcan play with it.
You don't need to totally trustit because you know self-doubt
actually can use for a good use.
But don't doubt too much.
You need to be, I'm not sure,but you can play with it.
(21:39):
You're curious about it, right?
So you play with whatever.
Then you can see thedifferences.
For myself, it's definitely,you know.
I start to shift it because Iknow my energy need to be more
allowing.
I'm not good for forcing.
If I'm forcing too much,everything's gone.
(22:04):
But if I just relax and sitthere, people come in and you
know, I don't even know how didyou find me?
I don't know.
I just want to talk to you.
You know, those people start tofly and flying, is that?
Wow, if I really know that, Ican just kind of, you know, stay
there and know what I want, andsince people will come because
they are ready, I'm ready yeahin a way, I think it's just the
(22:27):
energy.
Once we know how to flow withyour own energy, then things
become much easier and you havemore energy because you don't
waste your energy to force, togo to the wrong place or do too
much and you don't really havethings to maintain yourself.
(22:48):
That's how I see a lot offemale entrepreneurs.
They are working in thisenvironment.
They think it's the only way tostand out strong.
You know, I want to be thesuperwoman In the body builds.
We are really different thanmale.
We need to use our advantage asa female body and don't fall
(23:13):
into the system the male created.
Now, not necessarily good foreverybody, right.
But if they're successful,that's great, we celebrate for
them.
But we need to find our own way, knowing our energy flow and
knowing our genetic profile,because that system I'm using it
(23:33):
, is related to our genetics.
So get back to my molecularbiologist, because now we know,
right, the genome, human genomeis just part of the framework
right but lifestyle and theepigenetic, the epigenome we
call the epigenetic inferenceslike your lifestyle, your
(23:56):
thought, your diet, environments, your sleep, all that can
impact your genetic right.
So that happy is really thelifestyle it's really just love
ourself and relax and slow down,yeah, then your gene would turn
around the right way then youdon't need even worry about like
(24:19):
.
Judy Oskam (24:19):
You know how to activate our gene, but you just
happen it sounds like a way ofjust finding your place in the
world.
Is that what it is finding yourplace?
Sunny (24:33):
yeah as well, even finding is part, but it's like
accepting this the other wayfinding and accepting.
Judy Oskam (24:40):
I love that.
Yeah, I love that yeah well, Ialways try and ask my guests
about their personal strengths.
I'm a gallup strengths coachand I think there's a lot of
science in the gallupCliftonStrengths assessment and
everything.
And what do you see as your ownstrengths, your own personal
strengths, that have helped youkind of navigate this?
Sunny (25:02):
Yeah, it's fun Like three years ago, before COVID I take,
and now it's totally different.
Like my highest in then isspirituality.
Judy Oskam (25:13):
Yeah.
Sunny (25:14):
But now my highest is the curiosity.
But I can see myself actuallymaybe just move around.
It's the same, like maybe scalegot a little bit shift right,
sure.
So my um, I think the highest Ihave is curiosity, love to
learn, humor.
(25:34):
Then spirituality is stillthere, but it's number five now.
Then I have some things likeopenness too.
I am just accepting more otherthan total force.
So that's how I put it alltogether.
I'm curious because I'm thementor, so I always ask
(25:58):
questions about my people hey,how you do that right?
Then I will put some humor.
use my own story, say hey youknow I learned this way, Then I
also like to learn.
So I'm constantly learning newtools and to see how people
(26:19):
apply and how they speak, howthey communicate.
That is my fascinating to like,observe human behavior, human
communication.
So that is, I'm practicing it.
But I'm not sure after fouryears my strengths will shift,
because what I see is thepersonality can shape and we can
(26:40):
change the personality.
Someone says it's hard.
I think no.
If once you know yourself, yourenergy, you can flow it, just
choose it.
But the essence never change.
Thus I find out.
My essence is always there, butthe personality I can choose.
(27:00):
When you are aware you got moreof a consciousness.
Oh, I'd like that personalitybefore, but how about this right
?
So it's not denying ourselves,it's just kind of involved it's
just very flow right for me.
Yeah, that's kind of fun oh,that's great.
Judy Oskam (27:20):
Well, give us some last tips on um for people
listening, about how they canmaybe find and understand their
own energy, and give us a tip ortwo if you would yeah, the
things I practice myself iscalled the heart brain coherence
is basically, if you feel yourmind is non-stopping, just crazy
(27:45):
.
Sunny (27:46):
You want to slow down, right, you want to slow.
So that is the time you do theheart-brain coherence.
There's three simple steps.
You can find it at theheartmassorg.
They're backed by all thescientific data, so it's not
like a make it up.
So the first step is you justpay attention to your heart area
(28:08):
, so we call it heart locationor heart focus.
You can touch it.
Our hand is all the energy.
You just touch your hand.
Um, using your hand, touch yourheart.
So that is the first step.
It's a heart focus.
And second step is to call heartbreathing.
Basically you, the heartbeat.
(28:28):
The rhythm actually is not thatsuper fast.
So if you do follow that rhythm, you know in and out, in and
out, you slow down your breatheand go deeper too.
Then that's called hardbreathing.
And the third is when you getinto the rhythm you start to
(28:49):
think about or just imagine abeautiful forest or a good food
or, um, puppies, you know, makeyou smile, anything, make you
smile.
You skip back to thatimagination zone.
So it's sweet together.
You know heart focus, heartbreathing and heart feeling.
(29:10):
Then you can calm down yourcrazy mind.
A monkey mind will be just kindof flow with your heart,
because heart has more of thepower.
They have a more of the energyfield in our mind.
I think it's like 500 timesmore higher or something.
It's very strong.
But sometimes we just don't payattention.
We're just using our head anddrive true, yes, so true.
(29:31):
So if you combine you actuallycan erase the self-judgments,
because the heart they don'thave the judgments.
Judy Oskam (29:43):
It's our mind, it's our mind.
Sunny (29:45):
So once you practice that , anytime you feel anxious or
something, you just let theheart take over, then that
worked Very, very, very simple,less than two minutes every time
you do that I love that, butyou have to consciously make an
effort to do it that's how thetiny habit become powerful.
(30:07):
That's right into the behavior.
You know.
Just find an anchor momentafter each zoom meeting you.
You got two minutes, do that.
I love that have to.
You know, before sleep, do that.
Judy Oskam (30:20):
Yeah, that's great.
Sunny (30:21):
Make a recipe, yeah.
Judy Oskam (30:22):
Yeah, I love that.
I love it, Sunny.
Thank you so much for sharingyour wisdom and expertise with
us.
I really appreciate it.
Sunny (30:30):
Oh, thank you for having me as a guest.
Judy Oskam (30:34):
Fantastic, and we'll put your contact information in
the show notes and you're doingpodcasting.
You're doing all kinds of funthings that people can keep
learning and growing and connectwith you as well.
Sunny (30:45):
Thank you so much, Judy.
Judy Oskam (30:47):
And thank you for listening to Stories of Change
and Creativity and remember ifyou've got a story to share or
know someone who does.
Reach out to me at judyoskam.
com.
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