March 20, 2025 • 23 mins
In this episode, DP & Jimmy begin by exploring an intriguing concept: how we treat our future selves. This opens a broader discussion about intentionality and the relationship we maintain with ourselves in the future.
Then the conversation shifts to a fascinating philosophical exploration: is our existence merely a cosmic accident?
Whether you're contemplating your place in the universe or simply looking for ways to be kinder to yourself, the Str8Love Lads hope this conversation will expand your thinking while keeping you engaged and entertained.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
If it's love that you need, you can't take it from me
, cause I'm the one who's givingit up, and I know it's been
hard, but you've been in thisfar Now I'm the one who's giving
it up.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right, all right, all right, all right, all right
, all right, all right, thankyou, thank you.
Thank you once again for tuningin to the Straight Love Podcast
.
I am, of course, your host thatboasts the most roast DP, derek
Paulson, and with me, alwaysand forever, is the cricket
Jimmy J.
How are you, brother?
I'm doing well, man.
How are you Very well, man,very well, and thank you for
(01:02):
asking my pleasure, love Verywell, man Very well, and thank
you for asking my pleasure.
Love that shirt on you, by theway, man.
Thanks, man, I get into thehabit, I think, of just
complimenting you on your attireevery time we start one of
these episodes.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Actually the last few have been that way.
So you're a kind gentleman.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
But honestly, man, who doesn't love to see a giant
heart on somebody's chest right?
Sure, it's a beautiful thing.
Yeah, we love Jim's shirt andwe also love you for listening.
So head on over to Instagramand give us a follow.
Do the things and the stuff.
Send us a you know candy gramif you want.
We're totally down with that.
Is that still a thing?
The people?
You got a lot of candy grams injunior high, didn't you?
(01:36):
Jim?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Did I man?
I don't think so.
They used to do that yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You would just all of a sudden.
You know you can buy them inadvance and yeah that was a
junior high thing, for sure,junior high, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So they're doing around Valentine's day.
I was just about to say we'reValentine's still a thing in
junior high as well.
I don't think more of like you.
That was, that's for sure, likean elementary thing, where you
like you would make your ownlittle sort of envelope that
you'd hang from your desk right,you'd tape on your desk and
precisely yeah, and then a kidwould come over with the
choo-choo.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Choose me.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, the train on the front and, yeah, how
mortifying of an endeavor.
You know what I mean okayeverybody.
You're gonna make theseenvelopes for valentine's.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
How many you're gonna get is anyone's guess, and
you'd always have some kid who'swas overflowing and another one
was just moth flying out of it.
I don't think they can do thatthese days, absolutely not, I'm
sure you couldn't there's peoplewalking around today, for sure
traumatized from they're talkingabout it right now in therapy.
(02:37):
You can't do that, absolutelynot.
Yeah, there needs to beequality among the valentines.
Everybody gets the same amount,nobody gets more than the other
, and everybody can feel goodabout themselves, even though,
at the end of the day, we knowyeah, we know, we know, we know
who shouldn't, shouldn't havegotten a valentine, for sure we
stacy anywho.
Um, there's a couple of thingsI want to talk about today, one
(03:03):
of them being, uh, the way thatI'm starting to treat my future
self, and I wanted to talk abouttoday, one of them being the
way that I'm starting to treatmy future self, and I wanted to
run this concept by you a littlebit.
One of the things that I'vestarted doing is trying to
remove friction from how I thinkthings are going to be in the
future in order to make lifeeasier for myself, which, in the
future, will eventually be thepresent Awesome, okay.
(03:26):
Also trying to surprise myselfmore.
I'll give you an example ofthis.
I just put away a winter jacketthe other day, threw 20 bucks
in the pocket and you're goingto do that?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Derek, that's really good.
That's very funny.
January 2026 derrick, he'sgonna be one happy camper.
Let me tell you when he reachesin for sure.
You should put that into a betI'm not kidding, I don't know, I
don't.
Well, there's a maybe, there'sa joke around that, somehow.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
For sure, I think you could probably be like as quick
as that, you just be like, soI'm trying to surprise myself a
little bit more, and then youjust say what you do and that's
it.
Yeah, okay, right on Boom, doneWrite it down 10 seconds
Laughter.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We also wanted to talk about power versus force a
little bit today.
I also wanted to get yourthoughts on whether or not you
think that this entire existenceof ours is a cosmic mistake.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No as a cosmic mistake.
Uh no, I don't think it's amistake, but maybe you want to
expound on that a little bitmore before I answer well, final
answer.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You know what man I'm .
I'm more of a.
I've been listening to a lot ofatheist content online recently
, mostly because I like toexpose myself to things that I
don't agree with.
But you know, there's thisbelief, I guess, uh, among them,
that of course, this existenceis just this, and then there's
nothing afterwards, and this isthis and that's basically it,
(04:53):
and none of this matters, andthis all just kind of happened
by happenstance and, um, there'sno real meaning to anything.
So, if there's no real meaningto anything and this all just
happened by accident, likesomehow, this amazing existence
that we're all finding ourselvesin is just a complete and total
(05:16):
cosmic error that produced, uh,this unbelievable existence
that we kind of find ourselvesin yeah, the interesting thing
with atheists, um, sort ofthinking about this and speaking
at the same time.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Um, I would be really interested to know, see the
thing is.
I think this applies in inapplies in the non-atheist
aspect as well.
But I'll go first where I wasgoing with this in my head,
because if an atheist reallybelieves that there's no meaning
to anything and there's nothingfurther or greater, then one
(05:59):
would presume or prognosticatethat they must just have the
most carefree existences in theworld.
Do you know what I mean?
I would hope so, because you'dbe like I'm living in the now,
100%, but I don't think that'sthe case.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, it certainly doesn't sound like it.
I haven't encountered a lot ofjoyous, I would say, in the Sun
line.
They all seem pretty pompous.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Which kind of, is what is very contradictory to me
.
But then again, what I was alsothinking is that it would that
I could also say the same thingabout non-atheists.
So those I agree, yes, thatthat's fair those whom have a
belief in something greater andbigger, and you'd kind of say,
well, like I got nothing toworry about anyways, because
this is all just temporary andtransient.
What I am truly is a soul, so Icould fully live in the now,
(06:51):
currently, which I thinkeverybody, no matter what your
belief system is, is somewhat ofa of a challenge and a struggle
, like it's not, you know, it'snot particular to to one sort of
side or the other side of thatline, it's kind of just part of
the human condition.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Okay, so what are your thoughts then?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I don't think it's a mistake.
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Then do you believe in a creator?
Yeah, you believe in a creator,yeah, so do you think, then,
the creator of this particularexistence that we're in?
Like, what would be the whatwould be a creator's reasoning
(07:39):
for the animal kingdom, forinstance, when they're because,
you know, we talk about, we'reall of god's creatures, right?
Yeah?
Well, the animal kingdom thelast time I checked is pretty
ruthless, right, like?
I mean, certainly can be.
Yeah, I don't even know howconscious these beings are of,
well, I mean, how could they bewhen it comes to like, like,
(08:01):
what kind of an existence theynecessarily have?
Like a lot of them are justtrying to survive each and every
of an existence theynecessarily have.
Like, a lot of them are justtrying to survive each and every
day.
They don't really have to havethe cognizant, the cognizant
ability to be able to pondertheir own existence, right, like
?
Why am I here?
They're just thinking how can I?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
survive another day right I just don't understand.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
If I'm a creator, what the yeah?
Why would I want something toexist alongside these human
beings that are supposed to becreated in?
In the image of.
In the image of correct.
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Context maybe, Contrast maybe, but why make it
so ruthless then?
But the thing is, it's not allthat way.
You know what I mean.
A lot of it is man I mean yeah,a lot of it is, but it's also
there's uh, there's a systematiccoherence to it as well.
(09:01):
The whole ecosystem yes, yeah,yeah, exactly like even that,
taking a step back, I think it'sdifficult to even assign any
sort of validation on it of itbeing a mistake.
Right, like too many thingsjust work way too much in
concert.
That's what I think, and theonly thing that really upsets
the balance is probably the offthe mark decisions that humans
(09:27):
make.
What is it?
What was it called?
Called?
There's a documentary that wason netflix for a while.
It may not be there.
I watched this many, many yearsago.
It was about.
It was one of these, like youknow, natural regenerative,
regenerative farms where theythey it was.
It was not monocrop agricultureanymore, but they'd gone to
(09:48):
this the variety of growingdifferent things in the land and
rotating things.
And first they had to actuallyrejuvenate the soil because the
soil had just been decimatedfrom all its minerals.
So they did that naturally andit took them quite some time.
And then they started plantingcertain things, and so they
would have challenges with uh,you know, say, some kind of
(10:09):
particular bug would getintroduced to their crops and
the bug would eat the thing.
So then they would research onwhat is the natural predator of
this bug.
So they would introduce aparticular bird or a rodent into
that ecosystem and thensomething would happen from that
.
So they would introduce anotheranimal into it, or they would
(10:30):
introduce another tree thatwould bring in a different kind
of bird or things like that, andeventually it took them time,
but they quote-unquote, sort oforchestrated like a symbiotic
ecosystem whereby everythingthat was there was natural and
everything took care of itself.
Oh wow, and it enabled them togrow the crops that they grow.
(10:51):
Huh, grow the fruits and thevegetables, etc.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That they were growing so you're saying, then,
the creator, this mastermind, soto speak, it's, it's.
There's a method to the madnessin it and, to a certain degree,
yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I think there's um an orchestration of it all and I
think the which is a great wordfor it, by the way, jim well,
yeah, sort of, yeah, using it, Iguess, thanks in like the
analogy that you know you've gotthe conductor and yeah,
everything's kind of working inharmony there and in that we
kind of get in the way of it.
And I mean it even I can'trecall anything off the top of
(11:27):
my head, but I know I've heardfor sure more than once um,
these astrophysicists orcosmologists or whatever the
right category of educatedpeople are, where they speak
about all the exact componentsthat needed to be in alignment
and perfectly, you know, in thespots that they are at the time,
that they are for the planet ofEarth and our solar system to
(11:49):
exist, and essentially coming tothe conclusion that there's for
the planet of earth and in oursolar system to exist, and
essentially coming to theconclusion that there's.
It would just be impossible forthis to have been a fluke.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean, I have to believe that, man.
I have to believe that it'sjust.
It's so impossible to thinkthat this could just somehow be
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's just so outrageous, yeah, and, I think,
a disconnect from that belief.
I don't know if they've reallynecessarily proven it, but the
belief of it is the power of it,which I think funnels down into
(12:32):
the power of your own existence.
If that kind of makes anysemblance of sense, I think what
it is is.
It acts, however small, toclose the gap that we kind of
inherently feel as humans from,as your question started off, to
(12:53):
be a creator or the creatorwhat the creator is.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, what do you think of the concept that we
were, all you know, a part ofthis oneness, xanadu, and then
figured hey know what, in orderto kind of like it was almost a
choice for us to come here?
Yeah, instead of a mistakewhere we got separated, we
(13:23):
wanted to in order to almostslow things down a bit, man, you
know, oh, interesting.
Imagine being in this perpetualstate of bliss and
enlightenment, yeah, and thenthinking, well, maybe I want
this to stop for a little bit sothat I can really take a chance
(13:44):
to slow down.
And that's why we're here andwe're just taking a long time to
get back, because there's a lotthat we need to kind of maybe
experience on the way.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's an interesting concept the obviously massive
challenges with understandingwhat quote unquote existence
looks like outside of this humanplane.
Yes, this 3D world.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
We don't know.
We don't know, like, how are wesupposed?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
to yeah, exactly, or we do know and we just forgotten
, so we can't.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Like we don't know, like how are we supposed to know
?
Yeah, exactly.
Or we do know and we've justforgotten, so we can't.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like we have our definition of eternity Right.
That only as far as I know,until further notice.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
That only applies to here, but we also have our own
idea of what that is withoutlike.
When you say eternity, you justthink okay, foreverness.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's fine that we can throw around those words, man,
yeah, but we, we can't graspthat Correct.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Until you, until you experience foreverness.
You don't know what forevernessis Precisely?
Man, and this is the whole.
This is what spins your braininto a spaghetti dinner.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But I also think that that's brain food, man to think
that way like you can't tell methat you're not that that
things aren't snapping up therewhen you start to throw around
these kinds of yeah, I think itis.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I think it invites a greater awareness, it invites a
greater consciousness into yourbrain, like it says yes, you
know the infinite I don't knowwhy I'm looking around when I'm
doing this but the infinitesource, whatever you want to
call it I think it says oh, okay, well, this person here,
(15:25):
they're trying to tune theirradio into this, so let's turn
it up for them a little bit.
It's like going to the gym andlifting up some weights and your
muscles are like oh, we'regetting tuned into this.
You know, they're not going toget tuned into this while you're
sitting on the sofa.
You got to lift those mentalweights too, and I I think
(15:48):
that's going back to what yousaid about the power versus
force thing and you read thatbook.
I did not read that book.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
A while ago.
Yeah Great book.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I would like to read that book, but I was thinking
about power and just from theperspective of what really is
power, and it made me think ofthat book.
Even the title says so muchthat I think probably a lot of
(16:15):
our existence is based on forceand not power.
Explain the difference To me.
Ah shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I just know the difference.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Like I can feel in myself.
I'm interested in power.
I'm not interested in force,okay, and I'm interested in
power.
I'm not interested in force,okay, and I'm interested in
power.
Because power feels likestrength and when it, when the
definition to me of strength isgetting back to that oneness
that you're speaking of, isgetting back to realizing,
(16:50):
acknowledging, experiencing whatthat is.
Because power is not changingsomething, it's connecting with
something.
Force is changing something andnot connecting with something,
right yeah I don't know what'syour take.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
No, I think that that's good man and I think that
power also can influence too.
Right, instead of like forcingsomebody to do something, it's
more like with power.
It's been a while since I'veread that book.
There was a lot.
You know, what's interesting,man, is when you think back
about the books that you've read, while you've read them from
beginning to end.
There are pieces from a lot ofthose books that'll stick with
(17:29):
you, where you can kind of goback into your memory bank and
be like, oh, I remember thatpiece of knowledge, I remember
whatever else, like it's all inthere because you've read it,
but for the most part, like youcan't read, you can't remember
every word and remember everypage either, right, no, but
there was, um, yeah, there was alot in that book regarding how
you can disempower someone, um,just by the words that you use,
(17:54):
and that kind of thing.
Like if someone's insulting youand then all of a sudden, you
agree with that person or youeven take it a step further and
they're like you know what?
You're an asshole.
And it's like, oh, you ain'tseen nothing yet.
I mean, I'm an even biggerasshole than you could ever
imagine.
And then there's kind of likeoh yeah.
Well now I'm not really surehow to insult you here, because
(18:16):
you've disempowered me.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
by all of a sudden, you've deflated it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But then I wonder about that, and it's just like
aren't I putting myself down,though, by agreeing with you
about these awful things thatyou're saying?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, I mean, if you're truly agreeing with it,
you certainly are.
But there's also, you know, itmakes me think of an example.
It's sort of a bit related, butchoosing not to engage in an
argument because reallyultimately the outcome doesn't
matter If you win that argument,probably in a lot of instances,
(18:50):
I can't think of readily anexample, but it just doesn't
matter, right?
So the power lies in.
Can you detach from that?
The power lies?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
in.
Can you detach from that thepower?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
lies in.
Can you be above that?
The power lies in um.
Can you not subject yourself toa negative experience because
you've engaged in our argument?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
and it's that's such a different shift in perspective
too, man, because a lot ofpeople would think that in order
to be powerful, you need to beright, so you need to force that
person to see your right pointof view, and all that kind of
thing, when really that's not.
That's that's misguided, whenyou think about it in the way
that you just described and haveI done that?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
of course I have, of course I all have of course I've
tried to win an argument.
Of course I've tried to forcesomeone to see my way in
perspective because it's my wayin perspective and so therefore
it's right according to me.
Have I done this in the lastweek?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
probably yes you know what I mean.
Why do you think that'simportant to us, man?
Do you think that's more of acontrol thing?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
like I want to control how you see this oh, I
think it's just for the solereason that we are confusing
force with power, power withforce.
Okay, like one is actualstrength and the other is futile
.
I think that's exactly what itis.
I think that's exactly a bigpart of what everyday living is.
(20:16):
You know, subconsciously andconsciously, we, we strive to
attain power, but we're notactually doing that.
We're forcing our way intothings in hopes of feeling that
power, but it's not.
And the more that you don'tthrough the practices of which
you think you are, the more youjust keep doing it.
(20:37):
I'll take more of that, I'lltake more of this.
I'll, you know, be bigger thanthat person over there in any
way, shape or form, but that'snot what it is.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I agree, man.
Well, we all know that you allhave the power to choose which
podcasts you listen to.
Yeah, and the fact that youcontinue to, you know, choose to
listen to this one, I mean, itjust shows how powerful you
really are.
Man, we got some powerfullisteners out there, jim, I can
feel it through the airwaves.
Yeah, that's power.
(21:08):
That's power, all right, man.
Well, this is a powerfulepisode, my friend, and you're
looking pretty powerful yourself.
You've been at the gym recently, yeah, yeah, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I don't think Taking some creatine, aren't you?
I'm not A little TRT, maybe, no, is it?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
all right, do you?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
take any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
TRT Wouldn't even know how to get my hands on some
, but if you have, some fibroidsevery single day.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, okay, did you notice?
How long have you been takingit?
This is totally enough.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
The air conversation but whatever, honestly man,
consistently, every single daysince January 1st, oh did you
notice a difference.
Have you noticed a difference?
Probably my like.
Over time it probably tookabout a month and a half at
least to notice a realdifference at the gym, but now I
(22:00):
do.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, okay, interesting and also apparently
it helps uh cognitive focus andfunction for anyone else
interested in that so I thinkthat's like almost an actual
scientifically proven thing Ithink it's it's.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's one of the supplements that I think has
been studied the most.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, apparently resounding.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
People are saying it, it's, it's, has overwhelming
amount of benefits, also superaffordable.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
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Speaker 2 (22:37):
All right, all right.
Thank you all for listening.
We love you, love you buddy,love you man.
Okay, take care.
Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye.
Is it in the air or high?
(22:57):
Feel it if the time is right.
Oh no, go away, baby.
Leave it right, leave it right.
If it's love that you need, you can't take it from me
, cause I'm the one who's givingit up, and I know it's been
hard, but you've been in thisfar Now I'm the one who's giving
it up.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right, all right, all right, all right, all right
, all right, all right, thankyou, thank you.
Thank you once again for tuningin to the Straight Love Podcast
.
I am, of course, your host thatboasts the most roast DP, derek
Paulson, and with me, alwaysand forever, is the cricket
Jimmy J.
How are you, brother?
I'm doing well, man.
How are you Very well, man,very well, and thank you for
(01:02):
asking my pleasure, love Verywell, man Very well, and thank
you for asking my pleasure.
Love that shirt on you, by theway, man.
Thanks, man, I get into thehabit, I think, of just
complimenting you on your attireevery time we start one of
these episodes.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Actually the last few have been that way.
So you're a kind gentleman.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
But honestly, man, who doesn't love to see a giant
heart on somebody's chest right?
Sure, it's a beautiful thing.
Yeah, we love Jim's shirt andwe also love you for listening.
So head on over to Instagramand give us a follow.
Do the things and the stuff.
Send us a you know candy gramif you want.
We're totally down with that.
Is that still a thing?
The people?
You got a lot of candy grams injunior high, didn't you?
(01:36):
Jim?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Did I man?
I don't think so.
They used to do that yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You would just all of a sudden.
You know you can buy them inadvance and yeah that was a
junior high thing, for sure,junior high, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So they're doing around Valentine's day.
I was just about to say we'reValentine's still a thing in
junior high as well.
I don't think more of like you.
That was, that's for sure, likean elementary thing, where you
like you would make your ownlittle sort of envelope that
you'd hang from your desk right,you'd tape on your desk and
precisely yeah, and then a kidwould come over with the
choo-choo.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Choose me.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, the train on the front and, yeah, how
mortifying of an endeavor.
You know what I mean okayeverybody.
You're gonna make theseenvelopes for valentine's.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
How many you're gonna get is anyone's guess, and
you'd always have some kid who'swas overflowing and another one
was just moth flying out of it.
I don't think they can do thatthese days, absolutely not, I'm
sure you couldn't there's peoplewalking around today, for sure
traumatized from they're talkingabout it right now in therapy.
(02:37):
You can't do that, absolutelynot.
Yeah, there needs to beequality among the valentines.
Everybody gets the same amount,nobody gets more than the other
, and everybody can feel goodabout themselves, even though,
at the end of the day, we knowyeah, we know, we know, we know
who shouldn't, shouldn't havegotten a valentine, for sure we
stacy anywho.
Um, there's a couple of thingsI want to talk about today, one
(03:03):
of them being, uh, the way thatI'm starting to treat my future
self, and I wanted to talk abouttoday, one of them being the
way that I'm starting to treatmy future self, and I wanted to
run this concept by you a littlebit.
One of the things that I'vestarted doing is trying to
remove friction from how I thinkthings are going to be in the
future in order to make lifeeasier for myself, which, in the
future, will eventually be thepresent Awesome, okay.
(03:26):
Also trying to surprise myselfmore.
I'll give you an example ofthis.
I just put away a winter jacketthe other day, threw 20 bucks
in the pocket and you're goingto do that?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
No, no.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Derek, that's really good.
That's very funny.
January 2026 derrick, he'sgonna be one happy camper.
Let me tell you when he reachesin for sure.
You should put that into a betI'm not kidding, I don't know, I
don't.
Well, there's a maybe, there'sa joke around that, somehow.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
For sure, I think you could probably be like as quick
as that, you just be like, soI'm trying to surprise myself a
little bit more, and then youjust say what you do and that's
it.
Yeah, okay, right on Boom, doneWrite it down 10 seconds
Laughter.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We also wanted to talk about power versus force a
little bit today.
I also wanted to get yourthoughts on whether or not you
think that this entire existenceof ours is a cosmic mistake.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No as a cosmic mistake.
Uh no, I don't think it's amistake, but maybe you want to
expound on that a little bitmore before I answer well, final
answer.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You know what man I'm .
I'm more of a.
I've been listening to a lot ofatheist content online recently
, mostly because I like toexpose myself to things that I
don't agree with.
But you know, there's thisbelief, I guess, uh, among them,
that of course, this existenceis just this, and then there's
nothing afterwards, and this isthis and that's basically it,
(04:53):
and none of this matters, andthis all just kind of happened
by happenstance and, um, there'sno real meaning to anything.
So, if there's no real meaningto anything and this all just
happened by accident, likesomehow, this amazing existence
that we're all finding ourselvesin is just a complete and total
(05:16):
cosmic error that produced, uh,this unbelievable existence
that we kind of find ourselvesin yeah, the interesting thing
with atheists, um, sort ofthinking about this and speaking
at the same time.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Um, I would be really interested to know, see the
thing is.
I think this applies in inapplies in the non-atheist
aspect as well.
But I'll go first where I wasgoing with this in my head,
because if an atheist reallybelieves that there's no meaning
to anything and there's nothingfurther or greater, then one
(05:59):
would presume or prognosticatethat they must just have the
most carefree existences in theworld.
Do you know what I mean?
I would hope so, because you'dbe like I'm living in the now,
100%, but I don't think that'sthe case.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, it certainly doesn't sound like it.
I haven't encountered a lot ofjoyous, I would say, in the Sun
line.
They all seem pretty pompous.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Which kind of, is what is very contradictory to me
.
But then again, what I was alsothinking is that it would that
I could also say the same thingabout non-atheists.
So those I agree, yes, thatthat's fair those whom have a
belief in something greater andbigger, and you'd kind of say,
well, like I got nothing toworry about anyways, because
this is all just temporary andtransient.
What I am truly is a soul, so Icould fully live in the now,
(06:51):
currently, which I thinkeverybody, no matter what your
belief system is, is somewhat ofa of a challenge and a struggle
, like it's not, you know, it'snot particular to to one sort of
side or the other side of thatline, it's kind of just part of
the human condition.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Okay, so what are your thoughts then?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I don't think it's a mistake.
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Then do you believe in a creator?
Yeah, you believe in a creator,yeah, so do you think, then,
the creator of this particularexistence that we're in?
Like, what would be the whatwould be a creator's reasoning
(07:39):
for the animal kingdom, forinstance, when they're because,
you know, we talk about, we'reall of god's creatures, right?
Yeah?
Well, the animal kingdom thelast time I checked is pretty
ruthless, right, like?
I mean, certainly can be.
Yeah, I don't even know howconscious these beings are of,
well, I mean, how could they bewhen it comes to like, like,
(08:01):
what kind of an existence theynecessarily have?
Like a lot of them are justtrying to survive each and every
of an existence theynecessarily have.
Like, a lot of them are justtrying to survive each and every
day.
They don't really have to havethe cognizant, the cognizant
ability to be able to pondertheir own existence, right, like
?
Why am I here?
They're just thinking how can I?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
survive another day right I just don't understand.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
If I'm a creator, what the yeah?
Why would I want something toexist alongside these human
beings that are supposed to becreated in?
In the image of.
In the image of correct.
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Context maybe, Contrast maybe, but why make it
so ruthless then?
But the thing is, it's not allthat way.
You know what I mean.
A lot of it is man I mean yeah,a lot of it is, but it's also
there's uh, there's a systematiccoherence to it as well.
(09:01):
The whole ecosystem yes, yeah,yeah, exactly like even that,
taking a step back, I think it'sdifficult to even assign any
sort of validation on it of itbeing a mistake.
Right, like too many thingsjust work way too much in
concert.
That's what I think, and theonly thing that really upsets
the balance is probably the offthe mark decisions that humans
(09:27):
make.
What is it?
What was it called?
Called?
There's a documentary that wason netflix for a while.
It may not be there.
I watched this many, many yearsago.
It was about.
It was one of these, like youknow, natural regenerative,
regenerative farms where theythey it was.
It was not monocrop agricultureanymore, but they'd gone to
(09:48):
this the variety of growingdifferent things in the land and
rotating things.
And first they had to actuallyrejuvenate the soil because the
soil had just been decimatedfrom all its minerals.
So they did that naturally andit took them quite some time.
And then they started plantingcertain things, and so they
would have challenges with uh,you know, say, some kind of
(10:09):
particular bug would getintroduced to their crops and
the bug would eat the thing.
So then they would research onwhat is the natural predator of
this bug.
So they would introduce aparticular bird or a rodent into
that ecosystem and thensomething would happen from that
.
So they would introduce anotheranimal into it, or they would
(10:30):
introduce another tree thatwould bring in a different kind
of bird or things like that, andeventually it took them time,
but they quote-unquote, sort oforchestrated like a symbiotic
ecosystem whereby everythingthat was there was natural and
everything took care of itself.
Oh wow, and it enabled them togrow the crops that they grow.
(10:51):
Huh, grow the fruits and thevegetables, etc.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That they were growing so you're saying, then,
the creator, this mastermind, soto speak, it's, it's.
There's a method to the madnessin it and, to a certain degree,
yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I think there's um an orchestration of it all and I
think the which is a great wordfor it, by the way, jim well,
yeah, sort of, yeah, using it, Iguess, thanks in like the
analogy that you know you've gotthe conductor and yeah,
everything's kind of working inharmony there and in that we
kind of get in the way of it.
And I mean it even I can'trecall anything off the top of
(11:27):
my head, but I know I've heardfor sure more than once um,
these astrophysicists orcosmologists or whatever the
right category of educatedpeople are, where they speak
about all the exact componentsthat needed to be in alignment
and perfectly, you know, in thespots that they are at the time,
that they are for the planet ofEarth and our solar system to
(11:49):
exist, and essentially coming tothe conclusion that there's for
the planet of earth and in oursolar system to exist, and
essentially coming to theconclusion that there's.
It would just be impossible forthis to have been a fluke.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean, I have to believe that, man.
I have to believe that it'sjust.
It's so impossible to thinkthat this could just somehow be
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's just so outrageous, yeah, and, I think,
a disconnect from that belief.
I don't know if they've reallynecessarily proven it, but the
belief of it is the power of it,which I think funnels down into
(12:32):
the power of your own existence.
If that kind of makes anysemblance of sense, I think what
it is is.
It acts, however small, toclose the gap that we kind of
inherently feel as humans from,as your question started off, to
(12:53):
be a creator or the creatorwhat the creator is.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, what do you think of the concept that we
were, all you know, a part ofthis oneness, xanadu, and then
figured hey know what, in orderto kind of like it was almost a
choice for us to come here?
Yeah, instead of a mistakewhere we got separated, we
(13:23):
wanted to in order to almostslow things down a bit, man, you
know, oh, interesting.
Imagine being in this perpetualstate of bliss and
enlightenment, yeah, and thenthinking, well, maybe I want
this to stop for a little bit sothat I can really take a chance
(13:44):
to slow down.
And that's why we're here andwe're just taking a long time to
get back, because there's a lotthat we need to kind of maybe
experience on the way.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's an interesting concept the obviously massive
challenges with understandingwhat quote unquote existence
looks like outside of this humanplane.
Yes, this 3D world.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
We don't know.
We don't know, like, how are wesupposed?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
to yeah, exactly, or we do know and we just forgotten
, so we can't.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Like we don't know, like how are we supposed to know
?
Yeah, exactly.
Or we do know and we've justforgotten, so we can't.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like we have our definition of eternity Right.
That only as far as I know,until further notice.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
That only applies to here, but we also have our own
idea of what that is withoutlike.
When you say eternity, you justthink okay, foreverness.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's fine that we can throw around those words, man,
yeah, but we, we can't graspthat Correct.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Until you, until you experience foreverness.
You don't know what forevernessis Precisely?
Man, and this is the whole.
This is what spins your braininto a spaghetti dinner.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But I also think that that's brain food, man to think
that way like you can't tell methat you're not that that
things aren't snapping up therewhen you start to throw around
these kinds of yeah, I think itis.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I think it invites a greater awareness, it invites a
greater consciousness into yourbrain, like it says yes, you
know the infinite I don't knowwhy I'm looking around when I'm
doing this but the infinitesource, whatever you want to
call it I think it says oh, okay, well, this person here,
(15:25):
they're trying to tune theirradio into this, so let's turn
it up for them a little bit.
It's like going to the gym andlifting up some weights and your
muscles are like oh, we'regetting tuned into this.
You know, they're not going toget tuned into this while you're
sitting on the sofa.
You got to lift those mentalweights too, and I I think
(15:48):
that's going back to what yousaid about the power versus
force thing and you read thatbook.
I did not read that book.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
A while ago.
Yeah Great book.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I would like to read that book, but I was thinking
about power and just from theperspective of what really is
power, and it made me think ofthat book.
Even the title says so muchthat I think probably a lot of
(16:15):
our existence is based on forceand not power.
Explain the difference To me.
Ah shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I just know the difference.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Like I can feel in myself.
I'm interested in power.
I'm not interested in force,okay, and I'm interested in
power.
I'm not interested in force,okay, and I'm interested in
power.
Because power feels likestrength and when it, when the
definition to me of strength isgetting back to that oneness
that you're speaking of, isgetting back to realizing,
(16:50):
acknowledging, experiencing whatthat is.
Because power is not changingsomething, it's connecting with
something.
Force is changing something andnot connecting with something,
right yeah I don't know what'syour take.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
No, I think that that's good man and I think that
power also can influence too.
Right, instead of like forcingsomebody to do something, it's
more like with power.
It's been a while since I'veread that book.
There was a lot.
You know, what's interesting,man, is when you think back
about the books that you've read, while you've read them from
beginning to end.
There are pieces from a lot ofthose books that'll stick with
(17:29):
you, where you can kind of goback into your memory bank and
be like, oh, I remember thatpiece of knowledge, I remember
whatever else, like it's all inthere because you've read it,
but for the most part, like youcan't read, you can't remember
every word and remember everypage either, right, no, but
there was, um, yeah, there was alot in that book regarding how
you can disempower someone, um,just by the words that you use,
(17:54):
and that kind of thing.
Like if someone's insulting youand then all of a sudden, you
agree with that person or youeven take it a step further and
they're like you know what?
You're an asshole.
And it's like, oh, you ain'tseen nothing yet.
I mean, I'm an even biggerasshole than you could ever
imagine.
And then there's kind of likeoh yeah.
Well now I'm not really surehow to insult you here, because
(18:16):
you've disempowered me.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
by all of a sudden, you've deflated it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But then I wonder about that, and it's just like
aren't I putting myself down,though, by agreeing with you
about these awful things thatyou're saying?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, I mean, if you're truly agreeing with it,
you certainly are.
But there's also, you know, itmakes me think of an example.
It's sort of a bit related, butchoosing not to engage in an
argument because reallyultimately the outcome doesn't
matter If you win that argument,probably in a lot of instances,
(18:50):
I can't think of readily anexample, but it just doesn't
matter, right?
So the power lies in.
Can you detach from that?
The power lies?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
in.
Can you detach from that thepower?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
lies in.
Can you be above that?
The power lies in um.
Can you not subject yourself toa negative experience because
you've engaged in our argument?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
and it's that's such a different shift in perspective
too, man, because a lot ofpeople would think that in order
to be powerful, you need to beright, so you need to force that
person to see your right pointof view, and all that kind of
thing, when really that's not.
That's that's misguided, whenyou think about it in the way
that you just described and haveI done that?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
of course I have, of course I all have of course I've
tried to win an argument.
Of course I've tried to forcesomeone to see my way in
perspective because it's my wayin perspective and so therefore
it's right according to me.
Have I done this in the lastweek?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
probably yes you know what I mean.
Why do you think that'simportant to us, man?
Do you think that's more of acontrol thing?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
like I want to control how you see this oh, I
think it's just for the solereason that we are confusing
force with power, power withforce.
Okay, like one is actualstrength and the other is futile
.
I think that's exactly what itis.
I think that's exactly a bigpart of what everyday living is.
(20:16):
You know, subconsciously andconsciously, we, we strive to
attain power, but we're notactually doing that.
We're forcing our way intothings in hopes of feeling that
power, but it's not.
And the more that you don'tthrough the practices of which
you think you are, the more youjust keep doing it.
(20:37):
I'll take more of that, I'lltake more of this.
I'll, you know, be bigger thanthat person over there in any
way, shape or form, but that'snot what it is.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I agree, man.
Well, we all know that you allhave the power to choose which
podcasts you listen to.
Yeah, and the fact that youcontinue to, you know, choose to
listen to this one, I mean, itjust shows how powerful you
really are.
Man, we got some powerfullisteners out there, jim, I can
feel it through the airwaves.
Yeah, that's power.
(21:08):
That's power, all right, man.
Well, this is a powerfulepisode, my friend, and you're
looking pretty powerful yourself.
You've been at the gym recently, yeah, yeah, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I don't think Taking some creatine, aren't you?
I'm not A little TRT, maybe, no, is it?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
all right, do you?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
take any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
TRT Wouldn't even know how to get my hands on some
, but if you have, some fibroidsevery single day.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, okay, did you notice?
How long have you been takingit?
This is totally enough.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
The air conversation but whatever, honestly man,
consistently, every single daysince January 1st, oh did you
notice a difference.
Have you noticed a difference?
Probably my like.
Over time it probably tookabout a month and a half at
least to notice a realdifference at the gym, but now I
(22:00):
do.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, okay, interesting and also apparently
it helps uh cognitive focus andfunction for anyone else
interested in that so I thinkthat's like almost an actual
scientifically proven thing Ithink it's it's.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's one of the supplements that I think has
been studied the most.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, apparently resounding.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
People are saying it, it's, it's, has overwhelming
amount of benefits, also superaffordable.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
So yeah, like good for everybody.
Apparently Correct.
Anyways, don't take supplementadvice from this podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
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Speaker 3 (22:34):
I'm not falling for that one again.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
All right, all right.
Thank you all for listening.
We love you, love you buddy,love you man.
Okay, take care.
Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye.
Is it in the air or high?
(22:57):
Feel it if the time is right.
Oh no, go away, baby.
Leave it right, leave it right.
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