March 4, 2025 • 30 mins
Discover the groundbreaking insights of Dr. Elliot Justin, the visionary CEO and founder of FirmTech, as he challenges long-held assumptions about male sexual health and its link to cardiovascular wellness. This episode promises to transform your understanding with revelations about nocturnal erections being more than just a quirky phenomenon—they're a potential early warning system for heart health. Say goodbye to outdated views and embrace a new era where technology and personalized care redefine sexual health for men and their partners.
Prepare to be enlightened as we explore how data-driven approaches are revolutionizing our grasp of sexual wellness across genders. Dr. Justin unpacks how FirmTech's wearable technology offers a more nuanced and accurate assessment of erectile health compared to traditional methods. Learn about the surprising stability of nocturnal erections post-40 and why this metric is a vital yet overlooked indicator of men's health. Through a wealth of data, we advocate for a shift towards personalized care that accounts for lifestyle, medication, and other contributing factors to erectile dysfunction.
In an engaging conversation, we dive into the transformative power of technology and therapies in enhancing intimate relationships, especially for long-term couples. We discuss the significant benefits of using rings to boost men's confidence and sexual performance, while also highlighting how hormone replacement therapy can redefine sexual health for postmenopausal women. This episode is a treasure trove of practical advice, urging listeners to set clear goals and measure outcomes for a more fulfilling sex life. Tune in for a thought-provoking session with Dr. Justin, filled with expert insights that promise to elevate your sexual wellness journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Straight from the Source's Mouth
podcast.
Frank talk about sex and dating.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, tamara here.
Welcome to the show.
Today's guest is Dr ElliotJustin, ceo and founder of
FirmTech, and we'll be talkingabout his company, which is
dedicated to improving men'serectile fitness, sexual health
and, by extension, cardiachealth.
Thanks for joining me, drJustin.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thanks for the me.
Dr Justin, thanks for theopportunity.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Tamara.
Yeah, I think this is a greattopic for my listeners I think
more men it's about 50-50, but alot of men listen to this, so I
think I have more episodes forwomen, so another good one for
men to have.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, it's also good for women to know about men, and
since women pay more attentionto their health and the health
of their partners, I thinkthings are really going to
change for men.
It's going to come aboutbecause of women.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, good point, Very good point.
Yeah, because both are affectedand I've had this discussion
with people before.
Both sides are too embarrassedto talk about it and then it
causes issues in therelationship, and so having this
information out there and amore scientific version of it so
it doesn't feel so personal,maybe so firm tech, like what
does it do or what is yourmission?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, I can talk briefly about how I got into
this, my background I'm a recentmedicine physician.
I founded a telemedicinecompany second oldest one in the
country many years ago and thatgot me interested in remote
patient management technology.
What can people learn at homewithout seeing a doctor?
And ultimately, from myperspective, all care, almost
all care, should be at home,other than surgeries, things of
(01:32):
that nature.
Our smartphones are smarterthan every doctor in the world.
A urology professor at theUniversity of Utah a little bit
over three years ago heard aboutmy work on remote patient
technologies and came to me andsaid he wanted to count the
number of nocturnal erectionsthat men have.
And I said why?
And he said well, the leadingindicator of man's
cardiovascular health.
And I was taken aback by that,because we all know about
(01:55):
morning wood and we laugh aboutit, but I had no idea that the
number of nocturnal erectionsthat a man has is a leading
indicator of the cardiovascularhealth.
What does that mean?
Well, that means that if a manaverages four and goes to two,
that man has a cardiovascularproblem.
If a man has two or three andgoes to one or zero, that man
has about a 50% chance of havinga heart attack in the next two
(02:16):
years.
So in medicine the leadingindicator is different than
association.
In medicine we treatassociations.
High blood pressure isassociated with stroke.
Little proteins associated withatherosclerosis.
They don't predict it though.
Your your hdl number, ldlnumber, cholesterol number,
blood pressure.
They don't predict your risk.
(02:36):
They they're associated withrisk, but they don't predict.
So you know, this is like a sixvital science.
This idea excited me, so I saidwhy let's not just count
nocturnal erections, let'sassess all erections, let's come
up with a wearable that canonly be worn comfortably
overnight to get dated about thehealth of the penis, or it can
be worn during sex.
(02:57):
Because, after all, what do menor their partners really care
more about?
What's going on at night whenthey're trying to have relations
?
So that's, you know that's theback story for this, but you end
up discovering things along theway that you weren't
anticipating.
So, tamara, you're probablyunaware of the cock ring problem
, right?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I know of them, but not about the problem.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I forget about the problem, no, so look at the way
vibrators have caught on forwomen.
I'm going to be 72 in about aweek.
In my lifetime, my mother'svibrator was stashed in the
bottom drawer of a supply closetin the garage and it was
enormous and loud.
But back in the 80s, back whenI was really actually before I
(03:39):
got married, before I was dating, they were becoming normalized
but there's still a sort ofshame and embarrassment for
women.
Oh, you've got to come withpenetrative sex and you're going
to get vibrated, redicted.
And now I don't know how manyof my wife phones because
different times of differentpositions, different states of
mind, she wants or she wants adifferent sensation and our
daughter and her friends she's30 takes them on dates and
they're just.
It's just casual for most ofthem and that's just not true
(04:01):
for this particular set.
If you go to Australia, the UKor Germany, in much of the world
, even in the Persian Gulf, thevibrator has been normalized for
women and it's no longer seenas something that's shameful,
it's seen as an enhancer.
And if you try to take awayvibrators, for most women they
think what the fuck are youdoing?
I don't want that thing, butwhat do men have?
(04:24):
Nothing.
So these cock rings rings.
This is a cock ring problem.
Cock rings have been made thesame stupid way for 150 years.
It's a.
It's a here's.
Here's one on my desk.
That's your classic.
It's an o-ring.
Uh, they're made out ofsilicone and they're tough.
They pinch, they'reuncomfortable.
Um, they're hard to put on theheart, take off.
You can only wear it for 20, 30minutes, especially for men who
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have compromised circulation,and unfortunately many men today
are hypotensive, diabetic,atherosclerosis, obese and have
compromised circulation.
In order to come up with a wayof counting the number of
nocturnal erections overnight,we have to reinvent the cock
ring.
So I've got one on my desksomewhere here.
Our cock rings are made out ofelastomer, not silicone.
(05:05):
They stretch more easily, thematerial is softer and they can
be worn for hours.
It's not like putting a nooseon your penis.
I mean, who wants to lynchtheir penis?
They allow the arterial bloodto flow in, but they only
constrain the venous return.
So that leads to a morecomfortable, longer-lasting cock
ring, so that men using ourring can have more sustained
(05:28):
erections.
They're harder and, as aconsequence, men are more
confident.
And the rings are also designedto enhance a man's pleasure.
Because once we came out withthe data which was what was
really driving this my thoughtwas well, how can we?
Vibrators don't work for menhow can we enhance a man's
pleasure?
And the answer was to put theright amount of pressure over
(05:49):
the urethra to prolong theejaculatory phase.
The longer the ejaculatoryphase, the longer lasting the
orgasm.
So it's not as good as avibrator.
But with our technology, ourrings, my ejacul-face goes from
four seconds to seven secondsand that's an incredible orgasm.
And I never, you know, cockrings, until two years ago, were
not a regular part of my life,they were a novelty.
(06:11):
You know I'm fortunate to bemarried to someone who likes sex
toys.
By the way, to all yourlisteners, if you're thinking
about getting married, don'tmarry someone who's not into sex
toys.
Marry someone who's not intosex toys.
Check that out first, becauseit doesn't last a long time
anyway.
You know, for us cock ringswere like.
You know, you go to sex toystore a couple times a year.
It's a novelty.
And now, then, it's not anovelty now.
(06:33):
It's actually an effectiveenhancer of male pleasure, plus
a device that can give men vitalinformation about their sexual
health yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So I was gonna say is there a certain time where like
it'll stop working, or is itlike a good go between between
before ED like sets in or doesit kind of prolong, that kind of
stuff that's you know that's agreat question because so much
of the emphasis now inhealthcare is on prevention.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
If you or I went to a doctor for an annual physical,
or we just, you know we'reconcerned about health, we want
to know about the baseline, ormaybe we went to the gym, our
blood pressure's up a little bitwe expect our data, our doctors
, to make decisions on the basisof data.
You know we wouldn't go to adoctor, you or I, and say we're
(07:17):
both different genders,different ages, and tell that
doctor, you know, when I go tothe gym or when I walk up a hill
, my pulses are regular and thedoctor would say, oh, you must
have a cardiac arrhythmiatomorrow, take this pill and
come back in three months.
We would think what the fuck Isthis 1900?
You got a blood pressure cuffhere.
You got an electrocardiogrammachine in the office.
Are you going to get any bloodtests?
(07:37):
We expect care to bedata-driven, but when it comes
to men's and women's sexualhealth, they just have
conjecture and without data theydon't really know what they're
doing.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So we've identified.
But I've got to answer yourquestion explicitly.
We can identify problems beforethey occur.
So I'll put it this way If aguy is 25 and has a couple of, I
don't even want to call it EDbecause ED is dysfunctional, I'd
rather call it disappointment.
So the guy has a couple of, Idon't even want to call it ED
dysfunction, I'd rather call itdisappointments.
The guy has a couple of timeshe can't get it up and that guy
goes online and gets some pills.
I don't have a problem withthat.
(08:10):
But if a man is over the age of45 who has borderline high blood
pressure, a little bitoverweight, I'm certain that in
the future what we're doing willbecome a standard for care.
Just the way that man or thatwoman who's in their 40s, just
when health starts todeteriorate, they're going to
want to identify their problemsbefore they occur.
(08:31):
So you're going to want, justthe way you want, to know your
baseline blood pressure or yourbaseline lip proteins you're
going to want, or sugar, you'regoing to want to know your
baseline health of your penis oryour clitoris, and a wearable
can easily and comfortablyidentify that for you.
So we've had men.
We've had two men that I'maware of get cardiac
catheterizations because of ourdevice.
We've had two men identifysignificant adrenal problems.
(08:53):
These are young guys, hormoneproblems because of our device.
When we first started out abouttwo years ago at the Consumer
Electronics Show, our databasewas like 800 erections and
probably a third of them weremine.
Our database is now 57,000erections based on the
experience of many hundreds ofmen.
So we have data that couldallow a 50-year-old man who's
(09:16):
borderline diabetic to actuallysay well, how do I compare to
other men with my condition andhow do I compare to an ideal man
, a man in good health at my age?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Because that's really where you want to be.
Yeah, I was just going to askis there a normal amount of
nocturnal emissions or whateverstuff you check?
No, it is.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's not what the doctors thought.
So previously I'm going back tothe 90s.
Now there was a device calledthe Regiscan.
It's still used, but almostnever used in the United States.
It looks like something DrFrankenstein would put on your
penis.
You have these things attachedto you the head of the penis,
the bottom of the shaft, wiresgoing to machines, and you have
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to fall asleep with this thingon, couldn't wear it, and also
you can't wear it during sex.
It doesn't measure what's mostimportant to people.
And on the basis of that device, doctors said okay, well,
here's what's normal.
Well, that data set was just afew hundred men and that data
set also didn't measure.
That device did not and doesnot measure how hard the
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erections are, the quality ofthe erections, if you will.
So it's missing out on animportant data point.
The thinking was that men havefour to five nocturnal erections
per night and then itdeteriorates from there.
Well, teenagers and men intheir very early 20s have four
or five nocturnal erections pernight, but around age 30, late
20s, 30, it settles intobasically three or three plus
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per night and then goes downslightly in the 70s to 2.8.
Well, that's not what doctorsare thinking.
Doctors are thinking and thisis really important, this is a
really important medicaldiscovery that comes out of our
data the incidence of rectaldysfunction in men in women too
goes up 10% per decade after age40.
So the thinking was that, gee,the number of nocturnal
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erections as the rectaldysfunction goes up, the number
of nocturnal erections should godown.
As the rectal dysfunction goesup, number of nocturnal
erections should go down.
But it doesn't, and that'sreally so.
What's causing this increasedincidence of rectal dysfunction?
The thinking also was that asthe incidence of rectal
dysfunction goes up, from age 40on, that erections, sex
erections, will become less hard.
But they don't.
(11:25):
Now they do, obviously, if a manhas a significant health
problem heart attack, a stroke,if he's taking multiple
medications, he's an alcoholic.
But excluding men with reallysignificant disease not minor
disease, borderline high bloodpressure, elevated lip proteins,
but still men with significantdisease nocturnal erections
remain pretty constant after age40, and hardness remains pretty
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constant after age 40.
And that means that the doctorsare not thinking about the
problem the right way.
It's not the heart, nor is itthe arteries.
So, doctors, right now it'slike think about the
cardiovascular system as a pumpand pipes.
The heart's the pump, okay.
We doctors say, okay, thepump's not pumping strong enough
(12:10):
.
Men can get ED, that's true,but most men's hearts are
pumping adequately in order tomaintain the number of nocturnal
erections and the hardness oferections.
Then the next thought is thearteries.
Well, the arteries get narrowwith hypertension, diabetes,
arterial atherosclerosis.
So let's give them these PD-5medications erection pills,
viagra and Cialis being thenumber two and number one now
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and they slightly dilate thearteries, put blood into the
penis, but they don't keep itthere.
And if a man's problem is that,most men's problem is not that
they can't attain an erection.
A guy can't attain an erectionneeds to see a doctor.
That man has a significantcardiovascular or neurological
problem.
Most men's problem, though thevast majority of men who have ED
get an erection and they loseit, and they lose it for many
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reasons.
They could lose it because ofmedications, disease, alcohol.
These things all work togetheron up to things that men don't
want to talk about with theirpartners, nor the partners
really want to hear it, which isboredom, lack of friction as
people get older, or justdistraction.
So what else is happening?
(13:17):
As people get older, bloodleaves the penis faster on the
other side of the circulation onthe venous side of the
circulation.
This happens elsewhere in thebody.
So the illustration I use forthis is probably true for you
too, tamara, because women haveweaker microvascular than men do
.
If I sat in a plane for sixhours, my socks might get a
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little bit tight.
My rings might get a little bittight as well, too.
Why is that?
It didn't happen when I was 25or 30 years old.
It's because the veins, littlevenules, are getting stiffer and
the smooth muscle around themthat squeezes them gets weaker
with age.
Well, what so?
We don't?
So instead of blood beingpumped back to the heart
squeezed back to the heart, ifyou will it stays where it is,
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so we get a little swollen.
What's the impact of the penis?
The blood leaves the penis.
Every erection ends with bloodleaving the penis.
So the goal one of the goals oftherapy that doctors have
missed is okay, we're looking atthe pump, look at the arteries,
we're trying to get more bloodin, but what about keeping the
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blood there?
So I wasn't thinking about thiswhen I got involved in this.
I was thinking aboutcatheterinal erections as a
leading indicator ofcardiovascular health, but what
became obvious early on isactually a comfortable ring
leads to a longer lastingerection, and men need to put a
ring on it and not see rings,crutches, or for fetish guys or
for gay guys.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They see rings as as an enhancer of their pleasure,
just the way, just the wayvibrators are for women yeah,
and, like you said, it's morecomfortable than the standard
one, so there should be noreason not to, and if you learn
about yourself and find out yourhealth and it helps last longer
for the woman will be happy topotentially.
So it sounds like a way.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It actually allows women to address the one that I
mentioned, some of the commonmale complaints for hey, I'm
bored, I've been in a missionaryposition for the 2000th time.
Or it could be something a guywants to tell his wife you've
had three babies, I don't feelanything.
I'm telling your wife or yourpartner that your pussy's loose.
(15:19):
That's kind of a buzzkill inthe bedroom.
But some of the people men Iget two or three guys telling me
that a week it's really beeninteresting because I speak to
customers for nothing.
I want to know.
I get two or three guys tell methat a week it's really been
interesting because I got these.
I speak to customers fornothing, so I want to know
what's going on.
People and commonly hear frommen in their fifties, sixties
and seventies.
I asked them when do you, whendo you get ED?
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Cause the doctors never askedthem.
The doctors give them a pill,or doctors recommend
testosterone or shockwavetherapy or something.
They don't ask them when.
And then when I penetrate Ilose it.
So what do you feel when you'repenetrating?
I've heard this from two guysin the last week and a half
Nothing.
Well, yeah, because your wife'shad five kids and you're 75
(16:05):
years old.
Of course you feel nothing.
You and your wife have anunrealistic expectation about
what's going to you guys won'thave sex until you're 25, and
it's not going to be.
What's the female complaintabout men?
We have to focus too much ontheir pleasure.
They don't focus enough on ourpleasure.
That's because the guys areworried about losing their
erections In a ring.
You kind of alluded to thisbefore.
(16:26):
A ring is a game changer forboth people.
Women want to be able to focuson their pleasure Appropriately,
so that's not a complaint.
If a woman knows that a man isgoing to stay hard, then she can
focus.
When I got into this it was, itwas for the, it was for the data
, but when it the impact on onour marriage, married to be 37
years this year.
(16:47):
The impact of the just the ringhas totally changed the way in
which my wife and I make love.
We make love one about 50longer because there's no longer
this hey, we're both turned onsort of rushed orgasm.
You know we got to get you knowbefore either one of us loses
it.
Basically, we got this sort ofrushed orgasm Instead.
She knows that I'm going tostay hard and that's whether
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it's a position that I don't youknow.
Again, don't get me wrong.
I don't mind the missionaryposition or having sex from
behind.
I just don't get the frictionthat I did with turn on.
I did when I was 30, 35 yearsof age, but with a ring on I'm
not losing it and that's.
That's a game changer mentallyfor her and for me.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, so even if the friction isn't there, it's still
.
The hardness is what makes itgood.
And then the added part aboutyou said with the urethra
pushing on that.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Orgasms are, are, are amazing, are amazing.
I mean my wife has said severaltimes she's glad our kids are
growing out of the house becauseI'm noisy for the first time
yeah, that's awesome and I meanevery episode I have is pretty
much.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
The goal is to have people realize you can have sex
for a long time and it can begood, and you just need to learn
and educate yourself on how tohave it be that way, and women
with with the right hormones,estradiol cream down there for
to not be so dry.
It makes everyone happy andit's also testosterone placement
therapy for women.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So two things.
One, you know, um, I amsurprised and pleased that so
many of our customers are intheir 70s and have really active
sex lives.
I mean I don't admirable sexlives.
And then also, as more and morewomen are taking T
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postmenopausal women I meanthat's the missing hormone.
I mean it's really kind ofshocking to me.
I mean I early on felt thathormone placement therapy
estrogen and progesterone wasimportant for postmenopausal
women.
It wasn't until about two orthree years ago that I realized.
Oh well, it's obvious, womenneed testosterone as well.
What else happens duringmenopause?
The ovaries stop producingtestosterone and you can restore
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libido with testosterone.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, I actually just read a book yesterday called
how I Dare I Say it, what I WishI'd Known About Menopause.
She mentions the same thing Herlibido had gone down and she
started on testosterone patches,or I guess there's creams and
different stuff too.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The injection is the most effective.
The creams the absorption ofthe creams is irregular and the
dose that they're using is small.
So it's important, I think,with hormones, to decide, for
men and for women, what is yourgoal with this hormone and then
to measure those goalsobjectively, because of course,
(19:32):
the drug companies are more thanhappy to push this stuff on us.
But if the questions you'reanswering are, gee, I want more
energy, I want more sleep, well,those things are kind of
subjective and there are otherfactors that can enter into that
.
Hey, if someone wrote me acheck today for $10 million, I'm
going to sleep really welltonight and I'm going to wake up
tomorrow with a lot of energy.
So there are a lot of otherfactors.
Energy and sleep are subjective, I guess, is the point I'm
(19:55):
making.
But for a woman or for a man,there are two things that are
objective.
One is men in their andropauseand women in menopause.
They lose muscle mass and thataccelerates as you get deeper
into it.
Well, you can put a tapemeasure around your upper thigh
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and around your pecs and aroundyour biceps, men or women, and
say, okay, here's my baselineand now I'm going to start
taking testosterone and I'mgoing to go, whatever you know
you're going to go.
Still do your regular routine.
Maybe I'm just your averageperson Goes to the gym three
times a week and does whateverpilates or weights or whatever.
Am I losing muscle mass?
Am I gaining muscle mass?
I take tea, not because it hasany impact upon my penis,
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although I measure that as welltoo.
I take tea because I gained 8%in upper body strength without
pushing it.
Well, that was you know, I was70 when I started.
That's significant.
And in the women to whom Iprescribe tea, what are their
goals?
Their goals are twofold.
They don't want, they like tolose some belly fat.
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They like to at least sustaintheir muscles.
Ideally, they like to gain somemuscle strength and that's easy
to measure in the thighs andbiceps or pecs.
And they like to have theirlibido libido restored.
They'd like their mindset to gofrom yeah, if I get turned on,
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I can have, I can have an orgasmtoo.
Oh, my God, my husband lookshot coming out of the shower.
Look at his butt.
I want to have sex with himtonight.
Can you quantify that?
That's hard to quantify, butit's a lot more obvious than hey
, I'm sleeping a little bitbetter, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, and I was going to say too, the attraction
thing, Like usually, you know,women orgasm, want to have sex,
all that stuff in the brain,Like they need to hear certain
things, Like you're saying,testosterone would take that
away, Since a lot of men aren'tso good at that part of it.
They foreplay where they leadthe woman to it, you know, 20
minutes before, 30 minutes allday long, and so a little bit of
(22:00):
testosterone will give her apush to not need so much of that
, and then I can see a coupleworking out much better.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Women to whom I prescribe testosterone basically
say they feel like they havesex.
These are women in their 60sand 70s.
They don't feel like they're 14years old again, but they feel
like they're in their 30s again.
They've gone from I can livewithout it to no, I want to have
an orgasm a couple times a weekand that the point you just
made, which is real importantthat changes the dynamic between
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them and their partners.
Because it's not, I'll waittill date night, it's no, it's
tonight, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean that's a lot of the disconnect I've
heard is just, you know, menwomen take it that men just want
to jump on her.
You know, without any kind ofanything ahead of time.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Especially when we're older, you know it's the whole
I mean that's part of the wholeGod that really impacts, you
know, people my kid's age, Imean because they just, they
still have these sort of moviefantasies.
I mean, if I came, if I walkedover to my wife right now is in
the room working and pushed herup against the wall, tore her
pants down, she would think whatthe heck is wrong with you, an
(23:07):
animal, you know, whereas that'sthe type of sex that goes on in
the movies.
Or, you know, game of Thronessex.
I mean there's just there's noway my wife's going to push me
down on the back and we're bothgoing to come in two minutes,
you know, on the floor, it'sjust not reality.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, it's not reality for relationships or sex
.
Yeah, unfortunately, andeveryone wants that fantasy of
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, not me.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
A lot of disappointment comes from it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'd rather make love for about an hour, 45 minutes or
an hour, and that's what thering enables.
Because, again, my wife knowsthat I have the ring on, and
this isn't just true for me.
We research this with ourcustomers that I'm going to stay
hard for a protracted period oftime, and that's a game changer
.
Another thing we've discoveredis that the ring is as effective
(23:57):
as Cialis, which is theDallafil, which is the most
popular erection pill.
That's a game changer for men.
That data is going to bepublished this summer.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's a non-pharmacological solution to
most men's ED, which is theyneed to help sustain an erection
.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and they have to do it so far in advance to
have it work right.
This ring they can just put onright before.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You don't have to have it hard on.
You can put it on when you'reflaccid.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, I mean I like, like you said, the data too of
understanding, Because I mean Iknow just one point you brought
up earlier about the if they'rehaving issues with erection or
they're kind of soft like thewhole time, that's that
indicates for sure there's acardiovascular issue, cause I've
had that a couple of times andone guy, like an ex, had that
and then years later he had likea quadruple or quintuple bypass
(24:46):
within a few years and yeah, itwas pretty evident.
So then the next guy that thatwas having that issue, I told
him the same thing.
I'm like, hey, another guy hadheart issues with a similar
thing to you.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So you know, I just had a conversation a few months
ago with a woman who bought thering for her god, her man,
because men don't want to payattention to health problems,
and the guy was belittling herfor her poor sexual performance
and blaming his problem on her.
He had difficulty, he could, hehad difficulties getting an
erection and it went awayquickly.
Well, he only had one nocturnalerection.
(25:21):
He ended up seeing acardiologist.
He had a significant problem.
Instead, he was taken out onhis partner.
And that's another thing.
That people you know peopleanyway, people are just really
poor at communicating thesethings.
Because the other extreme, ofcourse, is the guy who gets
(25:42):
erections and loses it and wouldjust benefit from a ring
because he's bored or you knowthey're just doing the same
thing.
You know it's.
You know there's this wholetrend right now to saying, oh,
men are addicted to porn andtherefore they get addicted to
their hand.
Well, there's more.
I'm certain that goes on andI'm certain that there are guys
who, hey, if the only way youcan get off is by watching a
(26:03):
spiked heel and on pornography,you got a fetish, you know,
maybe it's, maybe it's good youtake it off the street and
you're at home, doing yourprivacy, but for most men, um,
it's not.
They're dependent upon this.
Is that this, their hand, theirhand or their partner's hand,
male or female, is betterbecause it provides more
friction and it has a brainattached to it.
This provides sensations or amouth that a vagina, a rectum,
(26:27):
simply can't do.
Those are just holes.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, and obviously your own hand.
A guy knows what works forhimself and or his partner.
Yeah, yeah, I just want to.
Yeah, you said I mean what yousaid earlier about communication
, like there's so manyrelationships that could be
helped by this kind of thing.
So I really hope that peopleget a hold of this and start
using it.
And on that note, how do youfind it?
(26:52):
Or you can say what you'regoing to say.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I just want to make one more point, if I can,
tomorrow.
We all men find it, or you cansay what you're going to say, if
I can't tomorrow.
We all men and women on are onthe road for from fitness
dysfunction, sexually and otherways.
But sexually, without data, wedon't know where we are.
It'd be like driving a carwithout a dashboard.
You know we need data to say,okay, here's where I am.
Ideally, of course, I'd like tostop going down this road to
(27:14):
dysfunction.
Uh, ideally I I find myselfthat I'm fit and I can then
measure myself going forward,maybe even reverse course if I
have a problem.
So the data is really.
We talk a lot about sex, but Ido want to emphasize the data is
really important for men toknow what their baseline values
are if they have a problem, tofind out where they are.
(27:34):
You can find us at MyFirmTechM-Y-F-I-R-M-T-C-H, myfirmtechcom
.
You can find me therepersonally at Elliot L-L-I-O-T,
myfirmtechcom.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Okay, Awesome, and then back to porn real quick.
As a guy, I think what you'realso going to say about porn is
it's also variety for some men.
It's not that they need it perse, it's just when boredom it
gives them variety of differenttypes.
And it doesn't mean they wantthat personally, physically, in
person, but it just adds to thearousal.
(28:06):
But yeah I don't understand whywomen get so mad or offended by
it, but I mean, I guess, likeyou said, if it's addiction and
it's like 20 hours a day andthey never look at the woman,
maybe that's one thing but Womenwatch a lot of porn too, not as
much as men do.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Pornography for women is shopping.
So one thing that's kind ofinteresting is people joke about
how porn made the internet.
But it's not porn that sustainsthe internet, it's shopping.
And women spend eight times asmuch time shopping online as men
spend watching porn.
Now there are studies showingthat the same, that very similar
(28:43):
dopamine hits are going on inthe brain.
Small, these are small numbersof people, people in these
studies.
Arousal in women not orgasm,but arousal in women and arousal
while shopping.
If you will produce excitement,shopping are lighting up the
same part, the same part of thebrain.
These studies have like sixpeople in them or ten people in
them.
When women complain about menwatching porn, guys should make
(29:06):
the point about hey, stopshopping, I'll spend more time
shopping online, you spend moretime watching porn.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's funny, all right.
Spend more time watching porn?
That's funny, all right.
Well, I think this is a goodtime to make any closing
comments or just like somethingyou want to, for sure, leave
everyone with.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Sure.
I would just reiterate menshould put a ring on it now.
Put a ring on it to learn aboutyour sexual health and put a
ring on to maximize your sexualperformance.
What guy doesn't want to bemore confident, last longer, get
harder, have more intenseorgasm?
Rings are not crutches, they're.
They're enhancers and teachers.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, awesome, all right.
Well, thank you again, and ifyou liked this episode and or
loved it, be sure to tell yourfriends about it and share it as
well.
All right, thank, or read it aswell.
All right, thank or and read itas well and share it both, all
right well, thank you again, drjustin.
Thank you it's a pleasure.
Yeah, thank you all.
Righty bye everyone frank talk.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Frank talk sex and dating educate.
Welcome to the Straight from the Source's Mouth
podcast.
Frank talk about sex and dating.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, tamara here.
Welcome to the show.
Today's guest is Dr ElliotJustin, ceo and founder of
FirmTech, and we'll be talkingabout his company, which is
dedicated to improving men'serectile fitness, sexual health
and, by extension, cardiachealth.
Thanks for joining me, drJustin.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thanks for the me.
Dr Justin, thanks for theopportunity.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Tamara.
Yeah, I think this is a greattopic for my listeners I think
more men it's about 50-50, but alot of men listen to this, so I
think I have more episodes forwomen, so another good one for
men to have.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, it's also good for women to know about men, and
since women pay more attentionto their health and the health
of their partners, I thinkthings are really going to
change for men.
It's going to come aboutbecause of women.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, good point, Very good point.
Yeah, because both are affectedand I've had this discussion
with people before.
Both sides are too embarrassedto talk about it and then it
causes issues in therelationship, and so having this
information out there and amore scientific version of it so
it doesn't feel so personal,maybe so firm tech, like what
does it do or what is yourmission?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, I can talk briefly about how I got into
this, my background I'm a recentmedicine physician.
I founded a telemedicinecompany second oldest one in the
country many years ago and thatgot me interested in remote
patient management technology.
What can people learn at homewithout seeing a doctor?
And ultimately, from myperspective, all care, almost
all care, should be at home,other than surgeries, things of
(01:32):
that nature.
Our smartphones are smarterthan every doctor in the world.
A urology professor at theUniversity of Utah a little bit
over three years ago heard aboutmy work on remote patient
technologies and came to me andsaid he wanted to count the
number of nocturnal erectionsthat men have.
And I said why?
And he said well, the leadingindicator of man's
cardiovascular health.
And I was taken aback by that,because we all know about
(01:55):
morning wood and we laugh aboutit, but I had no idea that the
number of nocturnal erectionsthat a man has is a leading
indicator of the cardiovascularhealth.
What does that mean?
Well, that means that if a manaverages four and goes to two,
that man has a cardiovascularproblem.
If a man has two or three andgoes to one or zero, that man
has about a 50% chance of havinga heart attack in the next two
(02:16):
years.
So in medicine the leadingindicator is different than
association.
In medicine we treatassociations.
High blood pressure isassociated with stroke.
Little proteins associated withatherosclerosis.
They don't predict it though.
Your your hdl number, ldlnumber, cholesterol number,
blood pressure.
They don't predict your risk.
(02:36):
They they're associated withrisk, but they don't predict.
So you know, this is like a sixvital science.
This idea excited me, so I saidwhy let's not just count
nocturnal erections, let'sassess all erections, let's come
up with a wearable that canonly be worn comfortably
overnight to get dated about thehealth of the penis, or it can
be worn during sex.
(02:57):
Because, after all, what do menor their partners really care
more about?
What's going on at night whenthey're trying to have relations
?
So that's, you know that's theback story for this, but you end
up discovering things along theway that you weren't
anticipating.
So, tamara, you're probablyunaware of the cock ring problem
, right?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I know of them, but not about the problem.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I forget about the problem, no, so look at the way
vibrators have caught on forwomen.
I'm going to be 72 in about aweek.
In my lifetime, my mother'svibrator was stashed in the
bottom drawer of a supply closetin the garage and it was
enormous and loud.
But back in the 80s, back whenI was really actually before I
(03:39):
got married, before I was dating, they were becoming normalized
but there's still a sort ofshame and embarrassment for
women.
Oh, you've got to come withpenetrative sex and you're going
to get vibrated, redicted.
And now I don't know how manyof my wife phones because
different times of differentpositions, different states of
mind, she wants or she wants adifferent sensation and our
daughter and her friends she's30 takes them on dates and
they're just.
It's just casual for most ofthem and that's just not true
(04:01):
for this particular set.
If you go to Australia, the UKor Germany, in much of the world
, even in the Persian Gulf, thevibrator has been normalized for
women and it's no longer seenas something that's shameful,
it's seen as an enhancer.
And if you try to take awayvibrators, for most women they
think what the fuck are youdoing?
I don't want that thing, butwhat do men have?
(04:24):
Nothing.
So these cock rings rings.
This is a cock ring problem.
Cock rings have been made thesame stupid way for 150 years.
It's a.
It's a here's.
Here's one on my desk.
That's your classic.
It's an o-ring.
Uh, they're made out ofsilicone and they're tough.
They pinch, they'reuncomfortable.
Um, they're hard to put on theheart, take off.
You can only wear it for 20, 30minutes, especially for men who
(04:45):
have compromised circulation,and unfortunately many men today
are hypotensive, diabetic,atherosclerosis, obese and have
compromised circulation.
In order to come up with a wayof counting the number of
nocturnal erections overnight,we have to reinvent the cock
ring.
So I've got one on my desksomewhere here.
Our cock rings are made out ofelastomer, not silicone.
(05:05):
They stretch more easily, thematerial is softer and they can
be worn for hours.
It's not like putting a nooseon your penis.
I mean, who wants to lynchtheir penis?
They allow the arterial bloodto flow in, but they only
constrain the venous return.
So that leads to a morecomfortable, longer-lasting cock
ring, so that men using ourring can have more sustained
(05:28):
erections.
They're harder and, as aconsequence, men are more
confident.
And the rings are also designedto enhance a man's pleasure.
Because once we came out withthe data which was what was
really driving this my thoughtwas well, how can we?
Vibrators don't work for menhow can we enhance a man's
pleasure?
And the answer was to put theright amount of pressure over
(05:49):
the urethra to prolong theejaculatory phase.
The longer the ejaculatoryphase, the longer lasting the
orgasm.
So it's not as good as avibrator.
But with our technology, ourrings, my ejacul-face goes from
four seconds to seven secondsand that's an incredible orgasm.
And I never, you know, cockrings, until two years ago, were
not a regular part of my life,they were a novelty.
(06:11):
You know I'm fortunate to bemarried to someone who likes sex
toys.
By the way, to all yourlisteners, if you're thinking
about getting married, don'tmarry someone who's not into sex
toys.
Marry someone who's not intosex toys.
Check that out first, becauseit doesn't last a long time
anyway.
You know, for us cock ringswere like.
You know, you go to sex toystore a couple times a year.
It's a novelty.
And now, then, it's not anovelty now.
(06:33):
It's actually an effectiveenhancer of male pleasure, plus
a device that can give men vitalinformation about their sexual
health yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So I was gonna say is there a certain time where like
it'll stop working, or is itlike a good go between between
before ED like sets in or doesit kind of prolong, that kind of
stuff that's you know that's agreat question because so much
of the emphasis now inhealthcare is on prevention.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
If you or I went to a doctor for an annual physical,
or we just, you know we'reconcerned about health, we want
to know about the baseline, ormaybe we went to the gym, our
blood pressure's up a little bitwe expect our data, our doctors
, to make decisions on the basisof data.
You know we wouldn't go to adoctor, you or I, and say we're
(07:17):
both different genders,different ages, and tell that
doctor, you know, when I go tothe gym or when I walk up a hill
, my pulses are regular and thedoctor would say, oh, you must
have a cardiac arrhythmiatomorrow, take this pill and
come back in three months.
We would think what the fuck Isthis 1900?
You got a blood pressure cuffhere.
You got an electrocardiogrammachine in the office.
Are you going to get any bloodtests?
(07:37):
We expect care to bedata-driven, but when it comes
to men's and women's sexualhealth, they just have
conjecture and without data theydon't really know what they're
doing.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So we've identified.
But I've got to answer yourquestion explicitly.
We can identify problems beforethey occur.
So I'll put it this way If aguy is 25 and has a couple of, I
don't even want to call it EDbecause ED is dysfunctional, I'd
rather call it disappointment.
So the guy has a couple of, Idon't even want to call it ED
dysfunction, I'd rather call itdisappointments.
The guy has a couple of timeshe can't get it up and that guy
goes online and gets some pills.
I don't have a problem withthat.
(08:10):
But if a man is over the age of45 who has borderline high blood
pressure, a little bitoverweight, I'm certain that in
the future what we're doing willbecome a standard for care.
Just the way that man or thatwoman who's in their 40s, just
when health starts todeteriorate, they're going to
want to identify their problemsbefore they occur.
(08:31):
So you're going to want, justthe way you want, to know your
baseline blood pressure or yourbaseline lip proteins you're
going to want, or sugar, you'regoing to want to know your
baseline health of your penis oryour clitoris, and a wearable
can easily and comfortablyidentify that for you.
So we've had men.
We've had two men that I'maware of get cardiac
catheterizations because of ourdevice.
We've had two men identifysignificant adrenal problems.
(08:53):
These are young guys, hormoneproblems because of our device.
When we first started out abouttwo years ago at the Consumer
Electronics Show, our databasewas like 800 erections and
probably a third of them weremine.
Our database is now 57,000erections based on the
experience of many hundreds ofmen.
So we have data that couldallow a 50-year-old man who's
(09:16):
borderline diabetic to actuallysay well, how do I compare to
other men with my condition andhow do I compare to an ideal man
, a man in good health at my age?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Because that's really where you want to be.
Yeah, I was just going to askis there a normal amount of
nocturnal emissions or whateverstuff you check?
No, it is.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's not what the doctors thought.
So previously I'm going back tothe 90s.
Now there was a device calledthe Regiscan.
It's still used, but almostnever used in the United States.
It looks like something DrFrankenstein would put on your
penis.
You have these things attachedto you the head of the penis,
the bottom of the shaft, wiresgoing to machines, and you have
(09:57):
to fall asleep with this thingon, couldn't wear it, and also
you can't wear it during sex.
It doesn't measure what's mostimportant to people.
And on the basis of that device, doctors said okay, well,
here's what's normal.
Well, that data set was just afew hundred men and that data
set also didn't measure.
That device did not and doesnot measure how hard the
(10:21):
erections are, the quality ofthe erections, if you will.
So it's missing out on animportant data point.
The thinking was that men havefour to five nocturnal erections
per night and then itdeteriorates from there.
Well, teenagers and men intheir very early 20s have four
or five nocturnal erections pernight, but around age 30, late
20s, 30, it settles intobasically three or three plus
(10:43):
per night and then goes downslightly in the 70s to 2.8.
Well, that's not what doctorsare thinking.
Doctors are thinking and thisis really important, this is a
really important medicaldiscovery that comes out of our
data the incidence of rectaldysfunction in men in women too
goes up 10% per decade after age40.
So the thinking was that, gee,the number of nocturnal
(11:04):
erections as the rectaldysfunction goes up, the number
of nocturnal erections should godown.
As the rectal dysfunction goesup, number of nocturnal
erections should go down.
But it doesn't, and that'sreally so.
What's causing this increasedincidence of rectal dysfunction?
The thinking also was that asthe incidence of rectal
dysfunction goes up, from age 40on, that erections, sex
erections, will become less hard.
But they don't.
(11:25):
Now they do, obviously, if a manhas a significant health
problem heart attack, a stroke,if he's taking multiple
medications, he's an alcoholic.
But excluding men with reallysignificant disease not minor
disease, borderline high bloodpressure, elevated lip proteins,
but still men with significantdisease nocturnal erections
remain pretty constant after age40, and hardness remains pretty
(11:47):
constant after age 40.
And that means that the doctorsare not thinking about the
problem the right way.
It's not the heart, nor is itthe arteries.
So, doctors, right now it'slike think about the
cardiovascular system as a pumpand pipes.
The heart's the pump, okay.
We doctors say, okay, thepump's not pumping strong enough
(12:10):
.
Men can get ED, that's true,but most men's hearts are
pumping adequately in order tomaintain the number of nocturnal
erections and the hardness oferections.
Then the next thought is thearteries.
Well, the arteries get narrowwith hypertension, diabetes,
arterial atherosclerosis.
So let's give them these PD-5medications erection pills,
viagra and Cialis being thenumber two and number one now
(12:33):
and they slightly dilate thearteries, put blood into the
penis, but they don't keep itthere.
And if a man's problem is that,most men's problem is not that
they can't attain an erection.
A guy can't attain an erectionneeds to see a doctor.
That man has a significantcardiovascular or neurological
problem.
Most men's problem, though thevast majority of men who have ED
get an erection and they loseit, and they lose it for many
(12:56):
reasons.
They could lose it because ofmedications, disease, alcohol.
These things all work togetheron up to things that men don't
want to talk about with theirpartners, nor the partners
really want to hear it, which isboredom, lack of friction as
people get older, or justdistraction.
So what else is happening?
(13:17):
As people get older, bloodleaves the penis faster on the
other side of the circulation onthe venous side of the
circulation.
This happens elsewhere in thebody.
So the illustration I use forthis is probably true for you
too, tamara, because women haveweaker microvascular than men do
.
If I sat in a plane for sixhours, my socks might get a
(13:37):
little bit tight.
My rings might get a little bittight as well, too.
Why is that?
It didn't happen when I was 25or 30 years old.
It's because the veins, littlevenules, are getting stiffer and
the smooth muscle around themthat squeezes them gets weaker
with age.
Well, what so?
We don't?
So instead of blood beingpumped back to the heart
squeezed back to the heart, ifyou will it stays where it is,
(14:00):
so we get a little swollen.
What's the impact of the penis?
The blood leaves the penis.
Every erection ends with bloodleaving the penis.
So the goal one of the goals oftherapy that doctors have
missed is okay, we're looking atthe pump, look at the arteries,
we're trying to get more bloodin, but what about keeping the
(14:20):
blood there?
So I wasn't thinking about thiswhen I got involved in this.
I was thinking aboutcatheterinal erections as a
leading indicator ofcardiovascular health, but what
became obvious early on isactually a comfortable ring
leads to a longer lastingerection, and men need to put a
ring on it and not see rings,crutches, or for fetish guys or
for gay guys.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They see rings as as an enhancer of their pleasure,
just the way, just the wayvibrators are for women yeah,
and, like you said, it's morecomfortable than the standard
one, so there should be noreason not to, and if you learn
about yourself and find out yourhealth and it helps last longer
for the woman will be happy topotentially.
So it sounds like a way.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It actually allows women to address the one that I
mentioned, some of the commonmale complaints for hey, I'm
bored, I've been in a missionaryposition for the 2000th time.
Or it could be something a guywants to tell his wife you've
had three babies, I don't feelanything.
I'm telling your wife or yourpartner that your pussy's loose.
(15:19):
That's kind of a buzzkill inthe bedroom.
But some of the people men Iget two or three guys telling me
that a week it's really beeninteresting because I speak to
customers for nothing.
I want to know.
I get two or three guys tell methat a week it's really been
interesting because I got these.
I speak to customers fornothing, so I want to know
what's going on.
People and commonly hear frommen in their fifties, sixties
and seventies.
I asked them when do you, whendo you get ED?
(15:42):
Cause the doctors never askedthem.
The doctors give them a pill,or doctors recommend
testosterone or shockwavetherapy or something.
They don't ask them when.
And then when I penetrate Ilose it.
So what do you feel when you'repenetrating?
I've heard this from two guysin the last week and a half
Nothing.
Well, yeah, because your wife'shad five kids and you're 75
(16:05):
years old.
Of course you feel nothing.
You and your wife have anunrealistic expectation about
what's going to you guys won'thave sex until you're 25, and
it's not going to be.
What's the female complaintabout men?
We have to focus too much ontheir pleasure.
They don't focus enough on ourpleasure.
That's because the guys areworried about losing their
erections In a ring.
You kind of alluded to thisbefore.
(16:26):
A ring is a game changer forboth people.
Women want to be able to focuson their pleasure Appropriately,
so that's not a complaint.
If a woman knows that a man isgoing to stay hard, then she can
focus.
When I got into this it was, itwas for the, it was for the data
, but when it the impact on onour marriage, married to be 37
years this year.
(16:47):
The impact of the just the ringhas totally changed the way in
which my wife and I make love.
We make love one about 50longer because there's no longer
this hey, we're both turned onsort of rushed orgasm.
You know we got to get you knowbefore either one of us loses
it.
Basically, we got this sort ofrushed orgasm Instead.
She knows that I'm going tostay hard and that's whether
(17:09):
it's a position that I don't youknow.
Again, don't get me wrong.
I don't mind the missionaryposition or having sex from
behind.
I just don't get the frictionthat I did with turn on.
I did when I was 30, 35 yearsof age, but with a ring on I'm
not losing it and that's.
That's a game changer mentallyfor her and for me.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, so even if the friction isn't there, it's still
.
The hardness is what makes itgood.
And then the added part aboutyou said with the urethra
pushing on that.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Orgasms are, are, are amazing, are amazing.
I mean my wife has said severaltimes she's glad our kids are
growing out of the house becauseI'm noisy for the first time
yeah, that's awesome and I meanevery episode I have is pretty
much.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
The goal is to have people realize you can have sex
for a long time and it can begood, and you just need to learn
and educate yourself on how tohave it be that way, and women
with with the right hormones,estradiol cream down there for
to not be so dry.
It makes everyone happy andit's also testosterone placement
therapy for women.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So two things.
One, you know, um, I amsurprised and pleased that so
many of our customers are intheir 70s and have really active
sex lives.
I mean I don't admirable sexlives.
And then also, as more and morewomen are taking T
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postmenopausal women I meanthat's the missing hormone.
I mean it's really kind ofshocking to me.
I mean I early on felt thathormone placement therapy
estrogen and progesterone wasimportant for postmenopausal
women.
It wasn't until about two orthree years ago that I realized.
Oh well, it's obvious, womenneed testosterone as well.
What else happens duringmenopause?
The ovaries stop producingtestosterone and you can restore
(18:53):
libido with testosterone.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, I actually just read a book yesterday called
how I Dare I Say it, what I WishI'd Known About Menopause.
She mentions the same thing Herlibido had gone down and she
started on testosterone patches,or I guess there's creams and
different stuff too.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
The injection is the most effective.
The creams the absorption ofthe creams is irregular and the
dose that they're using is small.
So it's important, I think,with hormones, to decide, for
men and for women, what is yourgoal with this hormone and then
to measure those goalsobjectively, because of course,
(19:32):
the drug companies are more thanhappy to push this stuff on us.
But if the questions you'reanswering are, gee, I want more
energy, I want more sleep, well,those things are kind of
subjective and there are otherfactors that can enter into that
.
Hey, if someone wrote me acheck today for $10 million, I'm
going to sleep really welltonight and I'm going to wake up
tomorrow with a lot of energy.
So there are a lot of otherfactors.
Energy and sleep are subjective, I guess, is the point I'm
(19:55):
making.
But for a woman or for a man,there are two things that are
objective.
One is men in their andropauseand women in menopause.
They lose muscle mass and thataccelerates as you get deeper
into it.
Well, you can put a tapemeasure around your upper thigh
(20:16):
and around your pecs and aroundyour biceps, men or women, and
say, okay, here's my baselineand now I'm going to start
taking testosterone and I'mgoing to go, whatever you know
you're going to go.
Still do your regular routine.
Maybe I'm just your averageperson Goes to the gym three
times a week and does whateverpilates or weights or whatever.
Am I losing muscle mass?
Am I gaining muscle mass?
I take tea, not because it hasany impact upon my penis,
(20:38):
although I measure that as welltoo.
I take tea because I gained 8%in upper body strength without
pushing it.
Well, that was you know, I was70 when I started.
That's significant.
And in the women to whom Iprescribe tea, what are their
goals?
Their goals are twofold.
They don't want, they like tolose some belly fat.
(20:59):
They like to at least sustaintheir muscles.
Ideally, they like to gain somemuscle strength and that's easy
to measure in the thighs andbiceps or pecs.
And they like to have theirlibido libido restored.
They'd like their mindset to gofrom yeah, if I get turned on,
(21:23):
I can have, I can have an orgasmtoo.
Oh, my God, my husband lookshot coming out of the shower.
Look at his butt.
I want to have sex with himtonight.
Can you quantify that?
That's hard to quantify, butit's a lot more obvious than hey
, I'm sleeping a little bitbetter, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, and I was going to say too, the attraction
thing, Like usually, you know,women orgasm, want to have sex,
all that stuff in the brain,Like they need to hear certain
things, Like you're saying,testosterone would take that
away, Since a lot of men aren'tso good at that part of it.
They foreplay where they leadthe woman to it, you know, 20
minutes before, 30 minutes allday long, and so a little bit of
(22:00):
testosterone will give her apush to not need so much of that
, and then I can see a coupleworking out much better.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Women to whom I prescribe testosterone basically
say they feel like they havesex.
These are women in their 60sand 70s.
They don't feel like they're 14years old again, but they feel
like they're in their 30s again.
They've gone from I can livewithout it to no, I want to have
an orgasm a couple times a weekand that the point you just
made, which is real importantthat changes the dynamic between
(22:27):
them and their partners.
Because it's not, I'll waittill date night, it's no, it's
tonight, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, I mean that's a lot of the disconnect I've
heard is just, you know, menwomen take it that men just want
to jump on her.
You know, without any kind ofanything ahead of time.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Especially when we're older, you know it's the whole
I mean that's part of the wholeGod that really impacts, you
know, people my kid's age, Imean because they just, they
still have these sort of moviefantasies.
I mean, if I came, if I walkedover to my wife right now is in
the room working and pushed herup against the wall, tore her
pants down, she would think whatthe heck is wrong with you, an
(23:07):
animal, you know, whereas that'sthe type of sex that goes on in
the movies.
Or, you know, game of Thronessex.
I mean there's just there's noway my wife's going to push me
down on the back and we're bothgoing to come in two minutes,
you know, on the floor, it'sjust not reality.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, it's not reality for relationships or sex
.
Yeah, unfortunately, andeveryone wants that fantasy of
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, not me.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
A lot of disappointment comes from it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'd rather make love for about an hour, 45 minutes or
an hour, and that's what thering enables.
Because, again, my wife knowsthat I have the ring on, and
this isn't just true for me.
We research this with ourcustomers that I'm going to stay
hard for a protracted period oftime, and that's a game changer
.
Another thing we've discoveredis that the ring is as effective
(23:57):
as Cialis, which is theDallafil, which is the most
popular erection pill.
That's a game changer for men.
That data is going to bepublished this summer.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's a non-pharmacological solution to
most men's ED, which is theyneed to help sustain an erection
.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and they have to do it so far in advance to
have it work right.
This ring they can just put onright before.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You don't have to have it hard on.
You can put it on when you'reflaccid.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, I mean I like, like you said, the data too of
understanding, Because I mean Iknow just one point you brought
up earlier about the if they'rehaving issues with erection or
they're kind of soft like thewhole time, that's that
indicates for sure there's acardiovascular issue, cause I've
had that a couple of times andone guy, like an ex, had that
and then years later he had likea quadruple or quintuple bypass
(24:46):
within a few years and yeah, itwas pretty evident.
So then the next guy that thatwas having that issue, I told
him the same thing.
I'm like, hey, another guy hadheart issues with a similar
thing to you.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So you know, I just had a conversation a few months
ago with a woman who bought thering for her god, her man,
because men don't want to payattention to health problems,
and the guy was belittling herfor her poor sexual performance
and blaming his problem on her.
He had difficulty, he could, hehad difficulties getting an
erection and it went awayquickly.
Well, he only had one nocturnalerection.
(25:21):
He ended up seeing acardiologist.
He had a significant problem.
Instead, he was taken out onhis partner.
And that's another thing.
That people you know peopleanyway, people are just really
poor at communicating thesethings.
Because the other extreme, ofcourse, is the guy who gets
(25:42):
erections and loses it and wouldjust benefit from a ring
because he's bored or you knowthey're just doing the same
thing.
You know it's.
You know there's this wholetrend right now to saying, oh,
men are addicted to porn andtherefore they get addicted to
their hand.
Well, there's more.
I'm certain that goes on andI'm certain that there are guys
who, hey, if the only way youcan get off is by watching a
(26:03):
spiked heel and on pornography,you got a fetish, you know,
maybe it's, maybe it's good youtake it off the street and
you're at home, doing yourprivacy, but for most men, um,
it's not.
They're dependent upon this.
Is that this, their hand, theirhand or their partner's hand,
male or female, is betterbecause it provides more
friction and it has a brainattached to it.
This provides sensations or amouth that a vagina, a rectum,
(26:27):
simply can't do.
Those are just holes.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, and obviously your own hand.
A guy knows what works forhimself and or his partner.
Yeah, yeah, I just want to.
Yeah, you said I mean what yousaid earlier about communication
, like there's so manyrelationships that could be
helped by this kind of thing.
So I really hope that peopleget a hold of this and start
using it.
And on that note, how do youfind it?
(26:52):
Or you can say what you'regoing to say.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I just want to make one more point, if I can,
tomorrow.
We all men find it, or you cansay what you're going to say, if
I can't tomorrow.
We all men and women on are onthe road for from fitness
dysfunction, sexually and otherways.
But sexually, without data, wedon't know where we are.
It'd be like driving a carwithout a dashboard.
You know we need data to say,okay, here's where I am.
Ideally, of course, I'd like tostop going down this road to
(27:14):
dysfunction.
Uh, ideally I I find myselfthat I'm fit and I can then
measure myself going forward,maybe even reverse course if I
have a problem.
So the data is really.
We talk a lot about sex, but Ido want to emphasize the data is
really important for men toknow what their baseline values
are if they have a problem, tofind out where they are.
(27:34):
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Speaker 2 (27:44):
Okay, Awesome, and then back to porn real quick.
As a guy, I think what you'realso going to say about porn is
it's also variety for some men.
It's not that they need it perse, it's just when boredom it
gives them variety of differenttypes.
And it doesn't mean they wantthat personally, physically, in
person, but it just adds to thearousal.
(28:06):
But yeah I don't understand whywomen get so mad or offended by
it, but I mean, I guess, likeyou said, if it's addiction and
it's like 20 hours a day andthey never look at the woman,
maybe that's one thing but Womenwatch a lot of porn too, not as
much as men do.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Pornography for women is shopping.
So one thing that's kind ofinteresting is people joke about
how porn made the internet.
But it's not porn that sustainsthe internet, it's shopping.
And women spend eight times asmuch time shopping online as men
spend watching porn.
Now there are studies showingthat the same, that very similar
(28:43):
dopamine hits are going on inthe brain.
Small, these are small numbersof people, people in these
studies.
Arousal in women not orgasm,but arousal in women and arousal
while shopping.
If you will produce excitement,shopping are lighting up the
same part, the same part of thebrain.
These studies have like sixpeople in them or ten people in
them.
When women complain about menwatching porn, guys should make
(29:06):
the point about hey, stopshopping, I'll spend more time
shopping online, you spend moretime watching porn.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's funny, all right.
Spend more time watching porn?
That's funny, all right.
Well, I think this is a goodtime to make any closing
comments or just like somethingyou want to, for sure, leave
everyone with.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Sure.
I would just reiterate menshould put a ring on it now.
Put a ring on it to learn aboutyour sexual health and put a
ring on to maximize your sexualperformance.
What guy doesn't want to bemore confident, last longer, get
harder, have more intenseorgasm?
Rings are not crutches, they're.
They're enhancers and teachers.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, awesome, all right.
Well, thank you again, and ifyou liked this episode and or
loved it, be sure to tell yourfriends about it and share it as
well.
All right, thank, or read it aswell.
All right, thank or and read itas well and share it both, all
right well, thank you again, drjustin.
Thank you it's a pleasure.
Yeah, thank you all.
Righty bye everyone frank talk.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Frank talk sex and dating educate.
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