Stoltman Brothers - Highlands to the World Stage - Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Rock.
You know we have someincredibly big guests, but today
it doesn't get any bigger thanthese two here in studio.
My friend welcome, luke Stolten, european's Giants Live
Champion, and next to me, theSBD three times world's
strongest man, tom Stolten.
Let's get spicy in here, guys.

(00:35):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
The world's strongest brothers are in the house.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, Thanks for having us guys Come in with that
enthusiasm.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Boom Spicy boys.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I thought we were strong brothers, but these guys,
these guys really Trumped us aswe came in.
I was just like wow.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, what was your first impression In seeing these
guys?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Massive guys, right?
I mean, obviously I've seensome of the shows.
I've seen like all the stuffonline, but up close and
personal, man, these guys aredefinitely.
They're taking up a lot ofspace.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Taking up a lot of real estate.
That's right.
That's right, talking of whichyou guys just flew in yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yesterday 3, 4 o'clock in the afternoon, so big
10-hour flight.
A bit jet-lagged, but we'rehere and first time in Vegas.
Always wanted to come to Vegas,nice to make it over safely and
nice to have a Giants live show.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, first time in Vegas, welcome to Vegas.
I know this is not going to beyour last.
You guys are going to love thistown, as the town is going to
love you.
But that flight over, you know,you know listen for me and my
little legs.
You know economy plus isbusiness class.
Business class is first class.
So tell us about your flightstruggles over here on the way

(01:53):
over, on this, on this trip yeah, it was, um what?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
actually, to be fair, it wasn't too bad.
There's a, there's a newairline I don't know if it's's
Norse Atlantic or somethingthey've just started doing
Heathrow to Vegas direct.
So it was actually it waseconomy plus.
So when we fly with our wivesit's not so bad, you know,
because you can spread out alittle bit more and you're not

(02:19):
too worried about elbowing orwhatever.
But if you're sat next to anormal person you're, like,
you're kind of quite kind ofself-conscious, if that makes
sense yeah but, um, yeah, but itwas fine, it was good because
she was my wife was there tom'swife, shenaid?
I've got my little boy over withme as well, little koa, um, so
he, uh, he was okay in the plane, he was okay, it was manageable

(02:41):
, got a couple of hours sleep,um, so just trying to get him
into the sleeping kind of timezone as well, so it was fine, it
was good.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I mean, we're here, like Tom says, safe and sound,
and just get on with it, yeah,I've been following you guys and
I've seen a few airline flightswhere it was like the guys in
that row must have beenterrified as you guys were
walking up like please don't sithere, please don't sit here

(03:11):
keeping the head down.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Oh no, I'm in this row yeah, I mean, like that must
happen also, right, when you'renot traveling with the family,
right, it's just like the boysand, uh, you know, the whoever,
whoever's in that little middleseat or whatever is just
stressed out.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I, I gotta imagine I mean there's a flight back home
called logan air, so it's just ascottish kind of flight that
they do like, you know, the onehour, two hour flights, and uh,
usually there it's a two seats.
So usually sometimes, uh, theyput me and luke together and uh,
that in itself is bad because Isped out to make myself as big
as I can.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
You remind him that you're the world's strongest man
as well.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
All the time, All the time yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Usually when we have someone in the middle again,
they just look at us and go, youboys sitting here.
Not a very comfortable fightfor them.
But again, I don't make myselfsmall, I make myself as big as I
can.
He's not even going to hide it.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
He's so polite.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
We flew back from one comp with.
It was Tom, myself and Tom'swife, sinead, from Botswana in
Africa.
So it was Tom in the aisle, mein the window, and then Sinead
was in the middle.
We were in economy at the timeand we were sweaty and horrible

(04:26):
and poor Sinead, you couldn'tsee her, like the air stewardess
would walk past.
Oh, excuse me, sir, would youlike anything to drink?
And to me as well.
They wouldn't see Sineadbecause she was hiding.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
She's like this ringing the bell Help Trying to
get air, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
So, yeah, the flyings are to get air, you know.
So yeah, the flying's uh yeah,it's just I find it really
stressful anyway, you know, likethe whole checking in procedure
going through, then immigrationand all this carry on, and I
just, I don't know, I get likesuper like spazzed out a little
bit when I, when I do that.
But, um, it's nice when.
That's the beauty when wetravel together, because we kind
of support each other, which isreally nice, you know.
So if Tom's a little bitstressed, I can maybe do a bit

(05:08):
more, and then vice versa.
So that's the beauty of thatbrother aspect.
You know, we kind of supporteach other in flights, unless
when I'm sat next to Tom andhe's just massive and putting
his elbows over me and eating myfood.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I mean six foot eight , over 400 pounds.
I need to make myself as big asI can.
You don't need to make yourselfbig, you don't even need to,
bro.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
You are that big.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Listen, I try to make myself big at five foot six.
You're not either, there.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I mean, what do you try to do, like just show off at
that point in time when theyserve the in-flight meal.
Do you guys get three or fourof those each, or how?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
does that work?
We try and chant three or four,but usually it's just the one,
so one's usually what we have.
But even this flight on the wayout, the meals were really good
and they filled me up, which isfor a 10-hour flight, all right
.
So two meals filled me up.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
But yeah, in-flight meals are not the best, but we
take some extra food on.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
To be fair, Tom got like a bag of snacks before we
flew when you say a bag Like abag of sweets, all the best
sweets in the world, body bowls,skittles, everything yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I've seen you guys eating backstage.
I was like, wow, I missed thissport.
I should have not done mybodybuilding route.
You guys are just eatingeverything Snickers, bars and
everything.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Anything we can get our hands on.
That's why it's nice comingover here to the States, because
you guys in America theportions are pretty nice right,
so we can get our caloriecontent quite easily here.
And where we stay in Scotlandthere's no takeouts.
It's such a small town where westay, so you maybe have one
Chinese takeout one.
Where we stay in Scotlandthere's no like like takeouts.

(06:45):
It's such a small town where westay.
So there was like you maybehave like one Chinese takeout,
one Indian takeout and that's it.
But you come over here straighton Uber Eats or DoorDash,
whatever it is.
You're just and we're like justthis is this is.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I mean he's coming into the world's strongest man
hotel.
I was like fucking this guy.
He was back again.
Oh, who was picking up the foodin the lobby these two.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, it was like a continuous flow even when they
walked in in my head I'm likeman, these guys eat a lot of
protein.
Yeah, these guys eat a lot ofprotein, because I eat a lot of
protein.
But, like these guys eat a lotof protein, I mean, what is the
calorie count you guys have tokind of?
I mean, you guys are assumingthat you have to keep your
calories to keep the keep themuscle and the fat right?
Um, and I've heard about youdoing crazy calorie counts and

(07:31):
stuff like that.
So, like, what does that looklike for you guys on a daily,
weekly, like you're?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
yeah, I mean obviously you know going to well
straws man, because that's theelite of straw man, but usually
what I'm up to?
About 10 to 11 000 when I goout Strawers man.
And again, this is kind of theextreme side of the diet.
This is where there's no kindof good quality food really.
It's just burgers, chips, pasta, cheesecake, pizzas.
Sounds good to me.
I mean so like yeah.
So my first meal usually in themorning for myself and Luke, is

(07:57):
a pancake blowout.
So it's basically six to eightpancakes and whatever we want on
them.
So it can be sweets, baconsyrup, whatever you want.
And then the second meal isburger and chips.
That's second, third and fourthmeal, and then the fifth meal
is a lasagna and then a bigcheesecake as well.
So that's our diet for a weekand a half when we're at World's
Strollers man.

(08:18):
But on the other side we do havea healthy diet as well.
When we come home I'm on about8,000 calories and Luke maybe
six or seven, but right now I'mon 400 grams of a protein source
, 400 grams of carbs, four timesa day, and then the only cheat
meal I have is the meal beforethe gym.
Obviously, flex is bodybuilding.
He was doing it for kind oflooks and stuff, but we're doing

(08:41):
it for performance.
Obviously we need that extraquick carbs, the food that gets
us more energy.
So a burger and chips for mebefore the gym, but yeah, 400
grams protein source, 400 gramscarbs four times a day, plus a
cheat meal every single day iswhat I usually do, wow.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I want to go back to that breakfast.
Wait, so it's called a pancakeblowout.
Pancake blowout, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
No, the blowout.
I'm hoping it's not what Ithink it is.
Junior competition.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Hold on, we take a cheat meal every single day
Because I've been seeing onlineyou guys got some real legendary
type cheat meals right.
So those aren't the same onesyou're doing every day, Because
I saw some wild stuff online.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
That's just day to day.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
It was like yeah, that's just Tom's normal dinner
really.
We did an interview a couple ofyears ago and our diets have
kind of changed over the lastcouple of years.
But we're doing this interviewand Tom was doing it.
I couldn't stop laughing at him.
He's like yeah, yeah, you know,after World's Strongest man we
come back.
Our diet's super clean.

(09:38):
You know, I'm only on like onecheat meal a day, which is like
a burger.
Then I can have like fourdonuts.
So it's like really clean.
It's like it's not clean, youmaniac, like it's, it's just,
but like, as you said at thestart, flex for and like for us
it's all about that kind of fuelin your body.
You know, you imagine a world'sstrongest man, the way it's

(09:58):
formed or the way we compete.
You maybe do like two to threeevents a day so you can imagine
eating like boiled chicken,boiled rice and some asparagus
in between those events.
You're not going to get thatfuel, you're not going to like
get that extra fat.
You need that.
Yeah, you need that kind ofjust quick, that fast food and

(10:19):
quick intake of calories soyou're ready to go again and you
know that's.
That's where it's a lotdifferent, I guess, from the
bodybuilding side of things,because we don't weigh our food
out.
Usually it's.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
You look at the pack, usually it's just a pack of
whatever it is they weigh inpacks, bro, that looks big and
we just put that on.
Not on grams, not on ounces.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
packs One pack that'll do One pack of rice.
Yeah, that's kind of what we gofor.
I'm sure there is a sciencebehind it.
We do have a nutritionist thatkind of guides us with it.
Who is that?
Nathan Payton, nathan.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Payton.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Shout out to Nathan.
Yeah, the wizard.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
If Nathan can get me on donuts and cheat meals every
day, let's figure this out Flex.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Bro.
Your face will be twice thesize, but you will be strong and
big, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
It gets tiring after a while eating that you know
it's just day in, day out.
You're just eating constantlyand you kind of it doesn't.
What do you normally say Like,oh, food just starts tasting
like lettuce.
All food just tastes likelettuce, because it's Even the
good food, right.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
So you tastes like lettuce, because it's even the
good food, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100.
So you guys know and I want theviewers to know this you know
you consume in the off season alot of calories.
Yes, you're obviously trainingfor you're doing your off-season
training.
It might not have an eventcoming up in x amount of weeks
time, but then when you commityourself to a show, let's just
say it's uh, just say world'sstrongest man, right?
How does Strongest man?
Right?

(11:45):
How does that?
First of all, the diet changeand the mentality change,
because I know you guys havespoken about mentality a lot.
I love that and we love thementality element of things here
.
So I'd like to know about thediet change and then how that
mentality starts changing, goinginto that competition.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, for me, I mean, World's Strongest man is always
the show that's on my mindthroughout every competition we
do.
That's obviously the pinnacleof straw man and it's, you know,
what you want to win.
So for me the diet startsreally clean.
Nathan kind of cleanses my bodyout in the off season.
So you know, I'm not really onthe kind of the burgers, the
chips, the cheat meals.
It's more, it's a lot more.

(12:29):
You know foods that stop theinflammation, all the.
You know the chicken, thesteaks, the good pastas, rice
and all that kind of stuff.
So I'll do that maybe to four,six weeks reduce the calorie
wise, just get my body kind of,like I said, inflammation away,
just lose a bit of weight aswell, to try and get that kind
of, to try and get my cardio andall that kind of stuff up as
well.
Because obviously you know inoff season you can get big but
you don't want to be, but youdon't want to be heavy, but if
you don't want to be going intothe season unfit and unprepared.
So that's my mind.
So I'm maybe, I'm maybe down tofive, six thousand carries for

(12:53):
the first, like four to sixweeks of the prep, say it's 12
weeks to prep for world showsman.
Then it's the last four to fiveweeks is when I really kind of
the mental kind of side ofthings starts taking a kick.
Because for me the first fourto six weeks easy, you know,
it's 6 000 carries, nice andeasy for myself.
And then it's right, I've got ajob to do.
It's well, show as man.
And that's when he'd reallyjust it's not like a slow
process for me from going fromsix, seven, eight thousand

(13:15):
carries it's five thousandcarries all the way up to eight
to nine thousand carries, justlike that.
So you know, friday I could befinishing my six thousand carry
calorie.
And then on the Monday there's9,000 calories.
You have to start that for fiveweeks and that's where the
mindset really kind of comesinto play.
Because you know 6,000 calories, you're kind of comfortable
with it.
Then you go into theuncomfortable, the kind of you

(13:36):
have to sit there for 20 minuteseach meal, you know, munching
it all down and stuff.
But in the back of mind that'sthe of.
You know you have to do this tobe the best in the world and
that's kind of all I'm sayingthroughout all.
But for me the food things, foodis the hardest part of it all,
especially going from the sixthousand to nine thousand, just
like training as well, peakingyour diet, peaking your mindset,

(13:57):
peaking everything like thatit's very, very important as
well.
So for me it's that, for Idon't have that kind of slow
cruise up to it, it's just goingfrom straight from one extreme
to another.
And just the last six weeks iswhere I'm really tapped into my
mindset.
I'm really not missing anymeals.
I write all my meals down.
Everything's out in front of meso I can see it.
But it's always has that wellstraws man, well straws man,
well straws man in my mindset tokeep me.

(14:17):
So I don't cut corners.
Because you know, when youstart cutting corners and
missing meals, that's when stuffkind of goes downhill, even if
it's one.
If you miss a meal on monday,your whole week's going to be
then, I agree, out the window.
So that's why I have it'sreally, really important to have
that kind of vision, that goalof you're doing this for a
reason and that's for me it'sobviously the world's strongest
man and to get to those highcalories it kind of has to be

(14:38):
burgers and some of these things.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Right, I mean 11 000 calories, a lot, there's a lot
of calories.
I mean and I've had theseconversations with flex before
when he was competing he wasblending his chicken and rice
into into ketchup just to getall the meals down.
So I I mean I imagine it mustbe hard just getting all that
food in yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Well, I think that's a difference, isn't it?
Because it's the like with youguys.
It's a lot cleaner like thebodybuilder, it's like super
clean.
So when we're like caloriedense food, you know we can have
that calories and you know akind of lighter meal, if that
makes sense it's probably moreenjoyable, too, than chicken and
rice with nothing on it, right?
Like he's.
That can't be nice.

(15:16):
That must have been well,here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
It goes back to what you just said.
Right, I had a job to do and Iwas going to do it, no matter
fucking what.
My goal was to win that Olympiaor defend that Olympia, and
whatever was in front of me wasfuel, you know.
And to what you said, tom.
I would sit in front of my mealfor about an hour sometimes and
I would be like talking tomyself.
The training, the cardio, thesuffering, no problem, it's just

(15:42):
part of it.
But the eating, it's the samething that we're talking about
right now.
The eating is such a job initself Because, I love, we all
fell in love with the weightroom, right, or we were
attracted to the weight room,but then there was this, another
element that I didn't know thatcame with it was oh, you have
to eat all this food.
I mean, you guys are just takingit to the next level, but
taking it to the next level, butfor me, I had no appetite and I

(16:03):
really had to force myselfthroughout my entire career.
So have you guys and I'll speakto you on this, luke is this
something you struggle with,appetite-wise?
Because I know you said Tom hadhis diet change as well, is
that something you guys dotogether as well?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I mean we're very fortunate.
The brother aspect we do a lot,pretty much everything together
.
You know which is amazing, butwe'll see Tom being slightly
larger than I am.
He's a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
You're big too, bro, Don't worry no.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I'm, okay, slightly larger.
Yeah, it is a struggle for me.
I find it harder when I'm in awarmer climate to get the
calories in.
So I really struggle in thesummertime and it's just that I
don't know what it is.
It just doesn't do it for me asmuch.
So I'm the same.
You know, I'm like breakfastwhen I'm waking up in the

(16:52):
morning.
Right, you've got your 10 eggs,whatever is in front of you,
got that, then a bowl ofporridge or oatmeal, whatever it
is again, but you're just, youjust got to consume it.
It's just and it's that mindset.
As Tom said, you know, it'sworld's strongest man is our
olympics, it's our mr olympia,it's it's the, the, the pinnacle
of what we do.

(17:12):
You know, going back to you,remember when you've been young,
being like five, six years old,watching it with our parents.
Imagine being that, oh my god,he's the strongest man in the
world.
Like strongest man in the world, fastest man in the world,
whatever.
It's one of the coolest titles,um, to have, and like to think
that's what our job is.
It's like you, you had a job todo and you know, growing up it

(17:35):
was a dream, it was like a pipedream.
You're like, oh, if I couldjust do that, man, that'd be so
cool.
And now we're getting to sithere and do that.
So if we can't just said youbefore, just sack it up and get
on with it, do our job to thebest of our abilities, then we
shouldn't be doing this.
We wouldn't be sat here, tomwouldn't be sat here as three
times world's strongest man.
I wouldn't be sat here as twotimes Europe's strongest man.

(17:57):
So we've got to do that andthat's what Tom does.
It's amazing, the, the, the snap, the, the switch from the, the
mindset, from like kind of 12weeks before world's strongest
man, that's like your periodisn't that 12 weeks.
And then it's just full likeberserker mode.
It's like tom, just he goesfrom like being you know, being

(18:21):
strong and big, whatever youknow training hard, but to this
gigantor, juggernaut guy cominginto the gym and it's, it's
insane, like I can't speak.
You have to see it, you know.
It's just that, that transition, it's just boom every week.
You're just going boom, boom,boom and like everyone can see

(18:42):
it around them and that.
And that's where I get my kindof mindset change.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
When I see Tom do that, I'm like right, look, it's
time to step up, mate, Come on,so you see the mindset change
in him first before you feel itin yourself.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Big time yeah man, you guys inspire each other,
right?
It's like through training andwhatnot.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I'm 40 years old in November.
I mean I wouldn't be competingif it wasn't for Tom, if Tom's,
you know, tom's 30, he justturned 30.
I'm sitting here at almost 40.
Still feel young, still feelamazing, but like seeing this
guy kind of come in smashing thegym, going through all the
adversity that will get on lateron, you know, but like that's

(19:18):
true, kind of that's a good shitright there, man.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's what I get kind of pumped up for.
I want to know, though when yousaid, you know that 12-week
mark there's a lot of thingsthat obviously the diet and
stuff like this but what is itthat you?
See with Tom more than anythingelse that you know, like he's
here, what is it?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Just that belief, that self-belief that he has,
it's just has, it's just likeit's amazing man, like it's
funny.
I don't think I've probablysaid this to Tom, but every prep
like Tom, in Tom's head he'slike, oh, that was brilliant, I
just did a PB there and itwasn't a PB.
I know in my head he's donemore than that.
But every time he's like, oh,that was the best I've ever done

(20:04):
.
At that it's a pb.
So it's that, that might thatthat ability to just tell
himself he's better than he'sever been.
He's better than he's ever been.
So if he's better than he'sever been, he's going to beat
everyone else because he'salready won world's strongest
man three times, which is insane.
But for I don't know if you evernoticed that, but but it's just
in my head.
I'm like I've seen you lastyear do like six reps at that.

(20:25):
Well, he's just done five reps,ah, new PB smashing it.
But it's just the intensity ofthe workouts.
You know we kind of you seethat intensity and that level of
fitness, strength, likeresilience.
You know you go into, you knowhow it is right you go in.

(20:45):
Sometimes you're like tired,fed up.
You know, maybe havingstruggles at home, wife,
whatever it is Kids.
Yeah, whatever it is.
Life, yeah, life, of course itis.
But you've got a job to do.
Without doing your job, you'renot going to have, you know, the
house, the wife, whatever theniceties that you can do.

(21:05):
So we've got to get it done andthat's where I can push Tom and
Tom can push me.
It's such a cool thing to doand it's through years and years
that we've done this.
And now we get to sit here andchat to you guys on a podcast
which is wild man.
It's like a couple of guys fromlittle town in scotland, little

(21:27):
town in wales.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Exactly what it's, just what happens I've seen, uh,
I've seen, you guys are got thelittle brother and he's.
He's getting in the mix now too, and so we got another.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
We got another brother coming, another stoke
man another on the podium I meanI said to him don't start tired
of tire, because I don't wantto happen.
To look what happened.
I mean I said to him don'tstart tired of Tyre because I
don't want to happen.
To Luke what happened, harry, Ithink he's got a lot of pressure
on himself and he says thatwith myself and Luke.
Obviously, what we've done,he's one of them.
He just likes to be deserved.

(21:55):
He doesn't like to be in thelimelight.
He's off social media and it isquite hard when people go up to
him and go.
Are you going to follow andlook in Tom's footsteps?
And there's a lot of pressureon you.
Know him as well.
He's got a kid, so right nowhe's enjoying the gym.
He is a very, very strong boyas well.
We've seen him lift some insaneweights in the gym and I think
he could walk into like aScotland Strongest man qualifier

(22:16):
and you know, qualify forScotland Strongest man but right
now he's enjoying the gym.
He's enjoying life and that'sthe main, main thing about it.
If you're going to the gym andenjoying it, if you're enjoying
life, then just keep doing it.
Maybe in a few years he mightdo strongman, but for now he's
big enough as he is and I don'twant him to.
How big is he?

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Six foot five man.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Wait, wait, wait.
How big is he, big family, sixfoot five, how big.
Six foot five he's, I don'tknow 120 kilos.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Oh, speak English In pounds.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, the metric system, I don't know I left the
UK, bro, come on 270, maybe Roy,what's yours?
You're big.
Yes, what 270?

Speaker 3 (22:54):
270?
Six-five, it's big, he's 20.
He'll be 29 in October.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, he's just younger than you.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, yeah, you're you.
Yeah, all right.
So you had no interest up untilrecently.
Up until a few years ago, harryactually went through a bit of
hard times and, um, he used towork in the rigs and the oil
rigs.
So, um, he went for a bit at adivorce you know all this stuff.
And um, we said, look, come andwork with us.
You know work with with us inthe business.
And, um, fortunately he saidyes, so he's doing all like the
clothing stuff, all the, whichis so cool to have him doing
that.
He's such a solid guy.

(23:26):
And then he started trainingand it really helped him
mentally A lot of guys westruggle and whatever but it
gave him a focus and he's just areally solid guy.
Last year we did in Scotland.
There's these historic stones,so there's a set of stones
called the Dinny Stones, soreally like historic.

(23:48):
So we went down last year andthese stones are heavy.
They're like £550, £600 in onehand and I don't know whatever
it is.
It's really heavy stones andpeople from all over the world
come and try them, right.
So we went down.
It was a Dinny Stone day.
So I was like, harry, do youfancy?

(24:09):
Just we'll give them a littletickle, let's see what happens.
So I went up.
First I did them, lifted themup, so it's like a ring and
you've got to do a hook grip,lift them up.
So then Harry went up and triedthem.
So he messed up the first liftand then he did it the second

(24:30):
time.
I was like, see the scream thathe let out, man, it was like
all that kind of that stuffthat's happened, all that
hardship, all the bullshit thathappened.
He just let out that scream.
Man, I was, I was in tearswatching it screaming and then I
was so happy because I did it.
Harry did it.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
The worst thing is, I was sunbathing chilling.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Wait, it's the fucking sun.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
That's got to be sunbathing.
If these guys are doing it, Imight as well go over there and
make an hour real quick.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I don't think the sun that's got to be sunbathing man
.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It was 12 degrees that's the summer right and, uh,
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, harry did it and I was like, wow, I have to
do it now and then, but I did awee 360 spin.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Oh, of course he did right, of course he did just to
show you know, of course I'm thedaddy love the outfit still, eh
yeah, but, mate, you know we've, I've been around Tom um Luke
and when we were looking at Tomcompeting.
There is nobody, there is noprouder brother you have than
this man here, because everytime I, every time you've lifted

(25:32):
, you know you guys aresupporting one another.
But I try to get close to himbecause I love the fucking
energy and there's just there'ssuch a true big brother passion
and when you were talking aboutHarry too, you could see that
excitement in passion.
And when you were talking aboutHarry too, you could see that
excitement in that story whenyou were telling it.
It's so great to see you're soproud of your brothers and you

(25:53):
know a lot of people will saythat, but I watched him
physically just get so emotional.
Obviously, when he won last time.
You know it was a tear jerkerfor everybody, right?
That was the first time Tom wonit.
So look at that Last time, youknow it was a tearjerker for
everybody, right.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, but anyways, that was the first time Tom won
it, so look at that, you can seeit there.
So that was me embracing, tom.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Oh, yes, that's a dope photo.
You're kissing him and givinghim a hug, right yeah?
I'm actually giving him aheadlock Should have been me
mate.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
But, yes, it's cool, you know, doing the brother
stuff and like, I'm 10 yearsolder than Big Tom and you
always be that big brother,right, so it's like, yeah,
seeing him do like it's doingthe impossible, like making the
impossible possible.
I think that's what Tom's donefor so many people in the world.

(26:47):
You know, you know, being partof that journey and doing my own
thing as well, I'm very proudof what I've achieved and what
I've done.
But seeing what Tom does, man,that's the cherry on the cake.
It's amazing, yeah, just abeautiful thing that he can do
that.
You know, with so much Like, oh, it gets you.
You know, with so much like, oh, it gets you, it gets me every
time I have to wear mysunglasses a lot of times

(27:07):
because I'm tears coming down myeyes.
Oh, we still see it, bro, don'tworry, we still see it, tom, do
you ever have moments like this?

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I don't know, maybe it's just you with a dog or
something and it just hits you.
It's like wow.
I'm the world's strongest man,or three-time world's strongest
man.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, I mean, I do it a lot, I manifest it a lot, but
you know, obviously we'll touchon it again later, but having
autism most of my life, it wasyeah.
When I went into the gym andwhen I started the strongman
career, it was more just.
I was going to do it for myself, do it for the, you know, get
mentally strong and just be ableto talk to people and do
something that I love, so to beable to obviously in 2021, win

(27:46):
World Straws man for the firsttime and then to go back and
defend it and win it this yearfor the third time.
My thing was the first two Ididn't keep my trophies in my
house.
I wanted to keep them away frommy house too, so I don't get
too laid back and go look, I'mthe best of all, I don't have to
work for it.

(28:06):
But this third one I put it inmy house and I put it in a place
that every morning, when I walkinto the you know, into the
living room and I'd glance andgo like, all this hard work, all
this kind of sacrifice from thewife, the family, all the time,
you know, being by myself inthe gym is worth it.
So, like you said, I'm thegreatest British straw man of
all time and I'm 30 years oldand I've won this three times.
It's yeah, it's kind of a dream.

(28:27):
You know, I sometimes stillpinch myself and go wake up from
this dream because this can'tbe real.
But yeah, it's unbelievable, Ithink, for me.
You know that Luke always talksabout you know how proud he is
of me, but I also have to sayhow proud I am of myself, with,
you know, obviously having agood family, a good support
system, good friends growing upand you know my whole life.
But to be able to flip autismand stuff on the side and to be

(28:47):
able to do what I've done and tokind of do it with all the
adversity I've had when I wasyounger and growing up, it's
been incredible, an incrediblejourney for myself as well.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'd like to talk about that, since we're going to
talk about it, obviously in theepisode, but since we're here,
Growing episode.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
But since we're here, um, growing up, did you get
diagnosed with autism?
Yeah, so I got diagnosed, Ithink, when I was 10, 11, I
don't really know much about it,but you know, being diagnosed
at that age for me was just, itdidn't really change my life
because where?
Obviously, where we were fromwas a really small town, the
school I went to was reallysmall and I had a group of
friends that you know, I kind ofknew, and I mean, at 10, 11
years old, you're just kidsmucking around, playing around,
and when I was younger, footballwas my life.

(29:28):
So obviously, soccer in America, football back home.
But, um, since I was born, allI wanted to do was play football
, and I was a normal kid when Iplayed football.
So, for example, harry wouldsacrifice all this time.
He hated football with apassion, absolutely hated that
sport.
But he would come out for threeor four hours with me after
school and play football.
My dad worked on the rigs aswell.

(29:49):
He'd come home play footballwith me.
Luke would sacrifice a lot justto play football with me.
And when I played on a footballpitch I could talk to my coach,
my players, as soon as I cameoff hood was up and that was it
and that's the only thing in myeyes.
Eyes was the only reason I wasliving was I want to be a
professional footballer.
I can make it as a professionaland school, like I said, I was
in school but all I did inschool was look forward to

(30:10):
breakdowns so I could go playfootball.
I wasn't academically smart.
I got bullied a wee bit andthen it was kind of doing these
episodes at home.
You know, when you have fourother siblings.
I think it's because I had abigger family.
Luke was very successful ingetting jobs.
My other two sisters, who wereolder, were boyfriends, getting
jobs, and then me and my brotherwere kind of close age,

(30:32):
obviously, and he wasn't actingup like I was acting up and I
was thinking to myself asking mymom, why am I doing this kind
of things?
Why am I different?
Wrestling as well WWE.
When I was younger I thought itwas real, so like I would
actually like jump off tablesand physically hurt my brother
physically hurt Luke.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
And like I A bunch of bulls in a china shop.
I can imagine.
Can you imagine that house?

Speaker 1 (30:54):
With this guy jumping off a fucking table.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
So all this kind of like in shops and stuff, I would
like go and smash things, but alot of people just thought I
was a misbehaved kids and howwas?
How are these other foursiblings acting, you know good,
out in public?
And this guy's not.
And you know, 12, 13 years oldcame and when I started going
into the academy, the biggerschool, that's when it really
kind of started dawning on melike it's like you know, I

(31:17):
couldn't sleep over at myfriend's house.
I couldn't travel five minutesto another town, I couldn't get
on public transport myself.
Whatever my mum was, I had tobe.
If Luke went offshore, I had tophone him to make sure he was
doing exactly what he was sayinghe was doing.
My sister was out.
I'd have to phone her saying ifshe was saying she was going to
be at home at 10, she was homeat five past ten.
I would take a flip out.
So all this kind of stuff.

(31:39):
My whole life was just kind ofplanned.
It was always a plan andwhenever something went wrong I
would flip out completely.
So 12, 13 years old, when I wentinto the bigger school, I was
in school maybe one or two timesa week and this was when it was
really hard, because a lot ofmy friends were like why is Tom
getting extra support?
Why is he not doing this school?
Why is he getting home at 12, 1o'clock, why is he not doing

(31:59):
full days?
So I went up to my supportteacher and said look, I need to
tell my friends this because Idon't want to hide this anymore.
I don't want to have this overmy shoulders anymore and if
they're my friends, they'llstand beside me and went into a
room with them.
There was like seven or eightof them and I told them and
every single one stayed in theroom.
I just said you know, if youdon't want to be my friend,
there's a door, go out.
None of them none of them leftthe room and the weight that

(32:20):
lifted off my shoulders.
Then it felt like I was reborn,that 13 years of my life were a
whole waste.
But this is the day that I wasreborn.
And then they understood me.
I started staying over at myfriend's for the first time ever
.
They put things in place.
I did a train journey, whichwas a five-minute journey from
Invergordon to Fern, and mywhole family celebrated like I
had won the World Cup, and itwas these amazing things that

(32:42):
people take for granted, but forme was the hardest things in
the world.
I said I went to college,ending out of college, you know,
at school, and it'll work.
But then, at 15, 16 year old,that's when another dark place
came, because football had goneout my life, because all my
friends had left and I hadnothing.
I was like I'm going to go intocare, I'm going to take my life
or I don't know what I'm goingto do.
And then you, you know, it wasfor two or three months.

(33:04):
I was like a prison.
My mum and dad were handing mefood through my room, I was just
playing the Xbox and that wasit.
That's all I thought.
Right, this is me.
You know, I've got autism, mywee brother's flying, my
brother's flying and my twosisters are flying.
And then it was Luke that saidLuke knocked on my door at 16
years old, saying you know,let's go to the gym together,
let's try something and see ifit will make you feel happy.

(33:27):
You know, my mum and dad askedLuke, let's try and see what we
could do with Tom.
And when he knocked on thatdoor at 16 years old, my first
answer was that is the worstidea.
I mean having someone withautism going to a gym with
mirrors, girls, men, these bigguys and I was like that's
intimidating Even Luke walking,knocking on my door and opening
the door and seeing how big heis.
It's like, so you expect me togo to the gym where you, and you

(33:47):
said you think I'm going tolook like that in a few years.
But anyway, I went and for someodd reason, there was a voice
in my head that's saying don'tquit, don't quit, don't quit.
I had my hood up every singleday.
I went, the only person I.
I would go myself, but it wouldbe a struggle, but my mum would
just drop me off at the door,push me in, and that was it.
And then, within a year, I gotso addicted not, I didn't care

(34:09):
about the six, but I didn't careabout being muscly, it was.
I could talk to cameras, Icould talk to new people, I was
learning things I didn't learnin school and for me that was,
you know, unbelievable.
And it's seen smiles on my mumand dad's faces, seen smiles on
on my family's faces, and seeinga smile on my own face was
unbelievable.
So yeah, 17, 18 years old.
Watching Luke do straw man andhis first competition at 18

(34:32):
years old, I was like this iswhat I want to do.
I don't want to be abodybuilder, I don't want to do
this kind of posing stuff.
I want to lift cars becausewatching your brother it's like
watching the Hulk and Superman,isn't it?
You know when you're a kid andwhen he wants.
And then I did the competitiona year after, I think, when I
was 19, and I came fifth and Imade Luke win the Scotland
Strollers man in my firstcompetition.
I had to load the last stonequicker than the other guy and

(34:53):
that would cement Luke the title.
And in that scenario there Iwas like I've just helped my win
Scotland's Strollers man in myfirst year.
And then let's just say 2021and stuff.
And when I started winningWorld's Strollers man, I really
kind of took control of myautism.

(35:14):
I mean, I put myself in anuncomfortable situation.
I turned my gym into a studio, Iput different flashing lights
in it, I tried to get differentpeople to distract me and just
do things that made me reallyuncomfortable, because my first
few years in Strawman I shouldhave been better than I was, but
I wasn't, because of theinterview stuff, because of the
other stuff that came with thesport.
But in 2021, when I stood on topof that podium, you know and

(35:36):
like, looked down at like the 29other people and looked and
just thought to myself like youknow, all this kind of booing,
all this people calling me likedisabled, all this kind of
booing, all this people callingme like disabled, all this kind
of labels I've been getting,I've now changed autism into a
superpower.
You know, I'm the best in theworld and I've got the
superpower which only a percentof people have in the world, and
I am the best in the world andI, since, since that day, I've

(35:58):
changed it to a superpower andit's changed people's lives.
It's changed my life and I'vehelped a lot of people open up
about autism.
Moms and dads understand autismmore.
So, yeah, that day in 2021really helped me understand
autism and being on that topwith that golden trophy just was
like I can beat these normalpeople, and that's kind of in a
nutshell.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Anyways, it's a big nutshell.
It's a big nutshell, but therewas a sentence there.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
He said well, I want to do the pa stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I want to lift cars.
That fucking sentence rightthere.
I don't want to do the posingstuff.
I got the look right when hesaid it Lift cars.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I was like what a sentence right there.
Right, who decides that Anyway?

Speaker 3 (36:34):
That's the only choice you have in life.
You either pose or you liftcars.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
But I have a question , right, and was there other
sports that you guys were into,because obviously you guys are
big guys, right, guys, your sizein the US or in the NFL, or
probably where you guys are from, they're playing rugby or some
of these other things Was thatin your mind before the
strongest man kind of came about?

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean, we've always been quite into sports
like football, golf.
Actually we've been playing alot of golf.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
We see, we saw Happy Gilmore.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I've tried to play golf.
I've tried to play golf.
Tom's been playing golf a lotand he's like I'm amazing at
golf Every Monday morning.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
New PB.
Yeah, new PB.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I just eagled the fifth hole.
I'm like, no, you didn't countthem.
So when we were younger weplayed golf, tennis, not at any
level, but just.
Mum and Dad had quite adecent-sized garden, relatively
speaking from where we're from.
So we were out playing tennis,golf, a little bit of rugby, but
it was more football.

(37:40):
We were all into the rugby sideof things just didn't kind of.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I'm shocked.
Yeah, nobody discovered you twoin rugby.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, it would have been good.
It would have been good fun.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I don't know, bro, I think you guys have done okay.
We're missing the old soccerand football, shall I say, and
rugby.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I'm trying to think about these guys running at full
speed and trying to stop them.
It's like the jogger knot.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
You know, terry Holland was a rugby player too.
Yeah, he was great and he wasvery good and obviously, fair
play to Terry.
He's won a few hats in his lifebeing a professional rugby
player, professional strongman,and then chasing his pro card
with bodybuilding too.
So that's the evolution of astrongman for him and what I've
seen with you guys.

(38:21):
You've just evolved and onlygoing off what you were just
saying, tom, the fact that, andgoing back to the autism because
I think this is a very goodconversation to have and I want
to stay here for a little bitthe fact that you know you
embraced a lot of things thatscared the crap out of you,
right, and made youuncomfortable, but you knew that

(38:43):
these things were, you know, inyour way and standing in your
way to see the better version ofyou.
So you've done what you saidyou set up lights, you had
interviews, you set up all thesedifferent things to get
comfortable in the uncomfortable, and a lot of people don't have
that mindset.
So you know, again, we'retalking about the whole mindset
side of things, right, but withTom going through the autism,

(39:08):
obviously we just heard thatstory and there's a lot of
things that I didn't know.
So thank you for telling thatTom.
From the Big Brotherperspective, how hard was it to
see Tom growing up with autism?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, I mean it's Because you just want your
family to be happy and just,safe and secure.
And you know, watching Tom growup, it's funny because Tom's
always full of joy, you know,you see Tom, I described it the
other day actually I wasspeaking to someone and when Tom

(39:41):
was growing up it was likeautism, had like chains and
locked him up.
That was his, like he wasn'tfree.
You know it was.
He didn't have that magic keyto open the chains and locked
him up.
That was his, like he wasn'tfree, you know it was.
He didn't have that magic keyto open the chains and let him
go because it controlled him.
But now you see him, and Tom isone of the most carefree guys
because he's embraced it, he'sovercome that.

(40:01):
He's like this is who I am.
Tom knows who he is, which is apowerful thing to know really
who you are.
So then he's opened up thosechains.
Boom, this is me.
I've got autism.
I'm also the best strongmanthat the UK's ever produced.
I'm the strongest man on thefucking planet.
So that's who I am and that isamazing.
So you know, watching him growup, yeah, it was difficult but I

(40:26):
always saw joy.
Like the sport brought him,like any sports, anything that
Tom wanted to do sport-wise, hewas going to be successful.
It's just fortunate that weboth found a passion, a real
passion for the gym.
And yeah, here we are.
You know, it's incredible tosee because it was such a.
It was a rough time, but I'mtrying to be an optimist and you

(40:48):
know, tom had to go throughthose times because, with an
easy You've got to find yourselfright.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
You have to get to that place where you're good
with yourself and nothinganybody else says to you really
matters.
It's about your family and it'sabout how you feel inside,
right?
You've got to get to that placein life, yeah that's the I
think that's the key ingredientin life.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
If you can have that and that family and people you
love and trust and you can openup and be yourself with them.
That's it.
We all have to put a mask onsometimes when we're out in the
public domain because we have toprotect our soul, us.
I think that's important.
But when we're at home andgenerally speaking, if we can be
who we're supposed to be andthat's who the big guy there

(41:29):
there is, man, he's so good.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
It's just amazing to see from that knock on the door
at 16 years old and you know,forcing him to go to the gym.
I think, uh, I think thattrajectory it all worked out.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I have a question from being, you know, the
outsider guy and obviously, likeyou guys are hitting, you know
like a normal gym, right, likeyou guys, how is the training
different getting into strongmanversus you know typical
bodybuilder being in the gym?
Like, are you guys doing thesame kind of lifts, deadlifts
and these sort of things, right,um?
Or because obviously I see youguys picking up cars, right, so

(42:02):
how do you start training topick up cars from deadlifts,
right, so how does that work?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
yeah, it's, I mean picking up cars usually gets in
trouble with the police backhome there's a few stolen cars
around scotland.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
You can pick up.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I know a couple police cars flip no big deal,
sorry officer just just just afun one, um, but yeah, generally
speaking it is kind of, I guess, monday to thursday it's.
We've got a gym back home so itis deadlift, squats, overhead
press, your main compound lifts.
We do Monday to Thursday andthen we have like a warehouse

(42:36):
where we go to do our eventstuff.
So that's when we'll lift upcars, do yokes, log press, big
dumbbell pressing, atlas, stonesthrows, whatever it is.
We kind of keep it for thatFriday.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Nothing you can buy off Amazon.
Sorry, Kurok.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
But I'm thinking to myself these guys' grip strength
must be incredible, because Ido jiu-jitsu and stuff and grip
strength is a thing you need toreally work on and picking up
cars and giant boulders, I'massuming that the grip strength
and even when you shook my hand,you know the grip strength.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
It wrapped around.
Yeah, just have a look.
Show your hands to the cameras.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Meat hooks.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
What are they?
Meat hooks.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Have you ever?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
had your hands measured.
No For gloves.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
I mean the one guy in Strong, Mark Felix.
He's.
Oh my gosh Mark.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Mark's an A4 piece of paper, like from pinky to thumb
I think it's the full width.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I believe it.
Mark Felix, and this guy isBenjamin Button.
Yeah, how old is Mark Felix?
Like nearly 60?
He's almost 60,.
Yeah, yeah, and he does.
Oh my gosh, what's the wholethe Hercules?
The Hercules hold Listen Idon't want to sound like a
casual.
The Hercules' hold Listen.
I don't want to sound like acasual, you know, hercules' hold
what's the Hercules' hold.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Gents.
So it's kind of biblical sense,can you pull?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
that up to us.
Oh, we don't have theteleprompter.
Okay, sorry, sorry, tom Luke.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
It was with Samson and the lions, oh yeah, when you
had to hold the pillars handlesand you've got to stop them
from falling.
Basically it's like they'reright.
200 odd kilos in each hand, um,and mark is like the king the
king, honestly.
He's almost 60 years old and,as flex says, you know, he's

(44:18):
just like benjamin button.
He looks incredible.
Like you would say, no way isthat guy almost.
He looks probably in his 30s.
He, he is incredible.
He's such a humble guy.
He's a plasterer to trade, sohe comes in plasters and then by
weekend he's one of the beststrongmen, or was one of the

(44:39):
best strongmen in the world andhe's got just these massive
hands.
Man, it's insane.
So, yeah, that's the Hercules.
It's quite a fun event to watch,but it feels like your
shoulders are getting rippedapart.
That was one that you kind ofstruggled with, that mindset.
It was like when it kind of,because you don't want to let go

(45:01):
, you've got to let that ripfrom your hands.
So I think that's what happenedwith you.
It was kind of getting You'restruggling and then Tom just let
go and that was like somethingwith with your autism.
I think you had to kind ofreprogram that, reprogram
yourself to be actually.
I don't let go and and just,you had some key words.
You spoke to a psychologistthat helped.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Helped with that and I was gonna ask that you guys
have worked with sportspsychologists.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Sports psychologists, clinical psychologists as well,
just to kind of understand howour head works, you know,
because it's.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
It's a real thing.
You get the mind right beforeyou're going into these
competitions, right?

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, man, it's 100%, you can see it though.
You see it when you go into thecompetition, either like sink
or swim, you know, becausethere's over 10,000 people
watching sometimes in theseshows we do back in the uk and
like that's quite intimidating.
You go out, you're like, oh,wow, okay, if I mess up, it's
not just in front of tom or likemy gym buddies, it's in front

(46:00):
of 10 000 people, it's going outat christmas time to millions
of people.
But yeah, you've got to reallybe mentally strong to do that
and yeah um, you know, fortunatewe were, but it's just
understanding things and, um, itkind of really worked for you,
I think.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Speaking to the yeah, I mean so.
I started clinical psychologistjust before world's strongest
man 2021.
Luke had been talking to herfor a wee while and obviously,
with me being on autism, newthings are a massive risk and
Luke was going back and forthand he just said try it.
So I think I tried it for,tried her for six to eight weeks
out of well strollers man andfor me it was a cheat code.

(46:39):
It was made my mind unbreakable.
I wrote on Facebook, I think twodays before I went to well
strollers man Tom Stoltman well,strollers man 2021.
It was on Facebook so everybodycould see it and even Eddie
Hall did an interview with meafter I think it was the first
day of the qualifier, saying youknow, I've seen.
You wrote Tom Stoltman, worldStrollers man on Facebook and
that's how confident, that's theconfidence she put into me and

(47:00):
that was kind of that vision Ihad was me if I do my job and
turn up there.
And yeah, it was so, sopowerful.
I never in my life went to thedepth.
She put me in my into themindset and it was a cheat code
for myself do you mind sayingsome of the stuff that you
worked on?
yeah, I mean, it wasn't she,just she.
She started.
So the first few weeks was justunderstanding my autism, how

(47:22):
can I, like certain things,distract that, how how I could
improve it in the gym and stuff.
So there was was a lot of.
It was a concrete thinking formyself.
So, going back to like when I'mI'm so OCD when it comes to
world.
So, like you know, luke, maybewith the business, luke might
get distracted with that, butfor me it's like you've got one
job that's World's Strongest man.
So these eight weeks, yourtunnel vision, your black and

(47:43):
white, and that's it.
It was more buzzwords.
So for Luke's side, with thegrip stuff, and that it was
right, be aggressive.
So as soon as my coach wouldsay to me, or Luke says, be
aggressive, that's when my mindwould switch and I would
literally lift anything that wasin front of me, whereas if it
was like right, you need to putyour feet, like this, you need
to do this, you need to do that,my mind would be like what the
hell's happening?

(48:03):
Happening.
So it was like be aggressive,switch on.
And there was another one andthose three words like by the
2021, I think first day in thefinal, I had the biggest lead
anyone's ever seen in the finaland it was just seeing these
three simple words, the kind ofconcrete thinking of you've got
something in front of you,you're picking it up and you're
visualizing it.
And visualizing was a massivething that I learned as well

(48:24):
about visualizing how you'regoing to lift each thing.
But yeah, the three buzzwordsin that visualization was
incredible.
I, when she said that beaggressive, she said go to the
gym.
And someone said that was likeyou're talking bullshit, like
this is this is not going towork.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
But yeah, he said be aggressive and it changed my
life completely unbelievable,wow well, we've had a lot of
athletes sitting on the sofastalking about, you know, working
with sports psychologists andpeople.
In that.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
That line of work, excuse me, I'm not getting too
chalked up, I mean, to the beat,to be the best in the world at
anything, your mental game hasto be there right, like it has
to be on point.
You have to be mentallydisciplined and and hardened
into also visualization, right,because, like, like like you
were saying, a lot of fightersnow have these type coaches and

(49:13):
it's like they're visualizingthe fight before it happens and
they're visualizing how that'sgoing to happen and they're
seeing it play over and over intheir head.
Also the nerves right Like thenerves can get the best of you
and so you're not pushing out toyour fullest because you're
mentally not there.
So it's always interesting tome and I like to surround myself
with gentlemen like yourselveswho have mentally pushed
yourselves into being the bestin the world at something.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It's just an incredible thing.
And to add to that, before Ichoke myself to death, thank you
for recovering me there when Iwas choking.
That's my boy.
He just jumped in knowing I wasgoing to get my words out.
To add to that, we've hadathletes sitting in the same
chairs as you that have hadpsychologists, sports
psychologists, and when they'rein the fight and they feel
themselves losing, you knowwhether it's getting caught up

(49:57):
in the crow, the big lights, orthey've done certain things.
Some they don't talk about,they keep it closed circles, but
some people will touchthemselves.
Like you know, as a guy, diegoLopez will touch his throat when
he's fighting.
It's for him to get back beingpresent.
Is there anything you saidbuzzwords?
Is there anything that you dooutside of that so you stay
present, or is it buzzwords?

Speaker 4 (50:18):
yeah, I mean it's, it's actually a lot of breathing
as well, I think it's.
Um, I actually talked to a newsports psychologist this year as
well, and Last year I didn'ttalk to a psychologist, lost my
title, and then this year Ire-talked to him.
But this guy really kind oftold me how to switch on when I
breathe, how to switch off if Ibreathe as well, and that was
channeling my brain andbreathing and really

(50:42):
understanding the breath work,because when you're just
breathing for the sake of it,you're not engaging with it,
you're not understanding yourbreath.
He told me it was just to dothe visualization when I'm
warming up and to reallyover-exaggerate my out-breath.
So if I was getting a bit tiredor losing a bit of the mental
clarity, it would be really justsit in a corner and just go, so

(51:04):
I'm actually feeling the breathand can feel it working.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
And again, that really paid off as well for
myself.
Yeah, I, I saw online that youguys do some wim hof training,
right, and I also saw some, uh,some cold weather, some cold
weather training.
But that that breathingtraining, that wim hof style,
right, like it's so importantour breath, right.
We just had gary brecca onrecently, who who was talking a
bit about this.
But tell us a little bit aboutthat, that that you know the
breath but then also like thatsame breath as you're getting in
that I saw the lake.

(51:34):
It's like the lock, I think theycall it or something, and you
guys are going in there.
That thing's got to be crazy 20degrees below or something like
that.
Right, like, tell us a littlebit about that yeah, I mean
that's, tom, I mean your breath.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
If you can control your breath, you can just
control everything.
Then you know it's like youknow.
So in the cold water stuff, youknow, one of the biggest
dangers is going into shock.
If you get dunked in the cold,you're like Right, and that's
the worst thing you can do.
You know we can controleverything we have in our body.
So it all starts with thatbreath and that's what Wim Hof,

(52:15):
when we're with Wim, that's whatwe did with him.
It was that like it was a lotmore deeper.
I would say it was more likegoing into a trance state with
Wim, which is one thing as well.
So I think that's that'sfantastic for allowing emotions
to come out as well when you'rein that breath.
Work doing that, just doingthat, and and then you got, you
get hold your breath and I thinkwe held our breath like three
minutes, which was pretty wild,wow, but like it just gives you

(52:37):
that.
That's something solid to focuson, doesn't it?
You know nothing else matters.
All you're doing is controllingthat through the nose out
through the mouth.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
it's powerful and you you actually get a little bit
high from it, right, like youfeel the euphoric feeling that
happens and the focus, like yousaid, is a real thing.
We've been talking about this.
I'm trying to get flex on amorning program with these
breaths because it is real andit's charging your red blood
cells also.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
It's just so basic, we go back to a few hundred
years ago.
It's charging your red bloodcells also right, it's just so
basic, we go back to a fewhundred years ago.
It's like primal, it's likewhat is the most important thing
and what we can do is breathing.
That's why we're alive.
So big breaths and that nasalbreathing, that nose.
We're all mouth breathers now,aren't we, which isn't a good
way to be.
You see everyone taping theirmouths up now when they're

(53:29):
sleeping, and I haven't donethat.
I don't really feel like doingthat I don't think I've done it.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
I don't think I'd wake up I've done it, your
friends.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Actually the hostage tape, because my, I snore.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Not a sponsor of the show.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Not a sponsor, it was more so it was more for the
snoring in my, in my girl, butyou know this guy, his fucking
non-sponsors in the show.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Well, they could be a sponsor, yes, they could be.
Hit us up in the DMs.
Anyways, moving on.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Do you do much cold immersion, cold water?
Yes.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I got a cold plunge in the house.
I have a sauna.
I cranked that up to about 220.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
It's exploded here in the US.
A lot of people are now intothat.
I cold plunge as well and dothat whole breathing process
through there.
It really is a clarity thingthat I wish I would have found
earlier in my life.
Going in the lock, though,looks a little.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It's next level.
Yeah, it's next level.
I watch these guys becauseobviously you guys are a little
further ahead in time than me.
When I wake up, I look and Isee both of these guys submerged
with their camera phone and I'mthinking I've messaged you a
few times.
I'm like how cold is that, bro?
And he's like you gotta come.
So I'm definitely coming to seeyou guys, that's for one, but
I'm going to wait for warmerclimates.

(54:43):
Let me tell you, scotland inthe summer is still fucking cold
.
Scotland in the summer is stillfucking cold.
Okay, scotland in the winter?
Forget about it.
So I'm doing my research forthe podcast.
You guys have been in that locksince a very young age, so
you've acclimated to that,because I read that you guys
didn't go on vacation to Spainor anything like that for years,

(55:04):
many years later, but yoursummer holidays were spent in
Scotland.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Is that Loch Ness, like where the Loch Ness Monster
is?
Yeah, that's where you guys aregoing.
Yeah, makes sense.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, that was like when we were growing up you know
we didn't have like loads ofmoney growing up, you know so we
spent a lot of time goingcamping and our mum, she didn't
like going to swimming pools,she didn't like chlorine, you
know.
So it was always swimming inthe locks or swimming in the sea
.
So I remember like my summerswere like I was so excited as my

(55:40):
mom can we go to the beach?
Can we go to the beach?
So she'd always take us.
And like I remember one time Ilooked down at my feet and my
feet were like blue with thecold and I was like, oh, that
can't be good, yeah, so.
I was like, I'll be fine, I'lljust play more, whatever.
And that was life back then.
It was just simple, you know.
It was like go to the beach,we'd have a little disposable

(56:02):
barbecue, whatever it was.
Mum was there.
Sometimes dad would be there ifhe wasn't working.
He worked quite a lot and mum,we had five, there's five,
there's five of us.
You know, there's two sisters,three brothers, so you can
imagine the cost to.
You know, fly out to Spain, itwas probably tens of thousands,
you know, to do that.
So, like, a lot of our time wasjust spent around Scotland, in

(56:23):
the highlands, which was whichis where I find my peace now.
I find my inner peace, my joy,that wholesomeness.
That's where I connect with mum.
Mum passed away in 2016.
So when I'm going to the sea orthe loch, seeing the sunrise,
that's where I'm like all right,mum, how's it going?
I'll have a little cry or get abit of emotion out, and then

(56:46):
sometimes that's when I justchat in the camera it's just
things come up In the cold water.
It makes me feel at peace andjust have that reset and I'm
able to function for the dayahead.
Sometimes, if I don't go in thecold water.
The guys at work that we workwith are, uh, uh, are in the

(57:08):
office.
They'll they'll know that I'venot been in because I'm a little
bit grumpy, pissed off.
Yeah, yeah, a little bit pissedoff, like like a bull in a
Chinese shop.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
I'll be like fuck sakes, why is this not done?
But if I'm, it's an attributeto, to the mindset and and and
what you guys bring with you.
Cause I know, for me, when I goon that cold, you know,
sometimes I'm sitting therenegotiating with myself like all
right, get in there.
All right, get in there.
But it's that mental, like I'mdoing it, you know, and it's
that mental you're getting oversomething.

(57:53):
Delayed gratification, in somesenses right gets you mentally
strong.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Just that little tick , yeah, a little tick, check the
box and then at the end of theday I kind of check in.
Now it's like how many checkshave I done?
Oh, I've ate well, trainedreally well, did the cold water
good day at work, spoke to mywife about stuff, oh oh, tick,
tick, tick.
That was five ticks.
Oh, that wasn't bad.
I'm not so much of a fuckingidiot as I thought I was.
I don't think that's the case,no.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
But what I will say about you guys is you've truly
stayed true to your Scottishroots.
You know a lot of people get alittle fame.
You know I had to come to theUnited States to chase that.
I had to come to the UnitedStates to chase that.
Unfortunately, doing it fromWales was not going to happen,
so I had to come here, do mything and I ended up moving here
for my life to turn into whatit is.
You guys have done everythingfrom the area you guys have been

(58:40):
brought up in Pretty much right.
You've not changed anything,anything.
I I think that, oh, you tell me, has that?
Has that given you that?
That that local humble supportto, to get you to where you are,
is other reason why you stayedin the area and not moved over
to the us.
Is that balance part of the,the strategy to to the greatness

(59:03):
?
I?

Speaker 4 (59:04):
think it has to be, doesn't it?
Yeah, I mean a hundred%.
I think also it goes back tothe mentality thing as well.
I think when we kind of firststarted Strongman up in the
Highlands, there was none Likemy first atlas stone was half a
stone with these sharp thingscut out and we were doing an
uneven floor in my dad's kind ofold shed that he had and we

(59:24):
broke the concrete and we weredeadlifting on like deficits and
stuff.
So whereas then we could havewent to Glasgow, which had
everything on their doorstep andI think that was the kind of
mindset you know, being from theHighlands we were like we're
making this really really hardfor ourselves.
But when we go to these placeslike Glasgow and the big cities,
we'll step into a gym that'sgot everything and we'll be like
this is, this is easy and yeah,the community for us is.

(59:45):
I mean, mean, it's unbelievable.
I've always wanted to live,stay in the Highlands.
I like the quietness of it.
When we go to London it's allthe big, there's fog in your
head and it's just you're allright for a day or two.
But, yeah, proud from wherewe're from, you know we've got
signs now and it's Invergordontown as well, and I mean, if we
were to leave, that would beyou're gonna have to take the

(01:00:07):
sign with you.
I know we've got, you know, our,our merchandise office, our
shop, we've got the gym.
So we just want to try and makeInvergordon a place where
people can actually come, enjoyand know that there's.
You know, being from there thatdoesn't mean it's end of the
world.
You don't have to travel to thestates, you don't have to
travel to England, glasgow, todo things.
You you can actually be rootedin Invergordon and be successful

(01:00:30):
as well, and that's what youknow.
We're trying to put thatmessage out there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, big time.
We're Highlanders.
You know that's the thing it'slike.
It's a special place in theworld, like you've all you know
Braveheart, mel Gibson, all thatstuff you know giving it laldy
and but for me that's where myhome is.
I can't.
I want to raise my son there.
We live all within ten minutesof each other, so five siblings,

(01:00:57):
we're all so close and nowadayswe're so fortunate, right
because of social media,travel's so much easier now so
we can set up something.
And with Strongman we're verylucky that it's so popular
easier now so we can set upsomething.
And with Strongman, we're verylucky that it's so popular in
the UK, you know so it's peoplein the UK just love it.
It's just like we had a.

(01:01:18):
We did something on the weekendthere at Scotland's Strongest
man and I think it was like a75-year-old lady that bought a
cat from us.
She's like I'm your oldest fan,but it's like having that.
And then the demographic ofthat interest.
You've got great grannies andthen you've got young kids
really interested in it as well.
And to be still in Invergordonin the Highlands is something

(01:01:42):
that we're both as Tom says,we're both really proud of and
hopefully it is showing otherpeople from the area that you
know.
When I was growing up, I had thementality that nothing should
happen successfully from thatarea because it's a small town,
so remote.
Nothing's going to happen andwe don't want people to have

(01:02:03):
that mindset.
We want to show people, youngkids that are growing up look
guys, it doesn't matter ifyou're from from here.
Make it part of why you'regoing to be successful.
Yes, it's harder.
You don't have all the glitzand the glamour and all the the
other stuff that can help you,but also you don't have anything
to distract you.
So if it's fitness, if it'ssport, if it's strength, like
immerse yourself in that, likejust do that and then you'll be

(01:02:26):
successful.
It's not rocket science, Idon't think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
And get your ass in the lock every day.
I gotta ask Flex what?
Is there any Loch Ness Monsterstories?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
I had to ask.
Well, let's just say this thelast sighting was when, exactly
when, these fucking two were in.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
That answers your question right there.
That's every day for Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah.
Exactly when these fucking twoare in there that answers your
question right there, that'severy day for Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Loch Ness is a cool place, man.
It's 26 miles long, it'sbeautiful, oh man, if you guys
ever come.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I love outdoorsy stuff.
Flex loves that.
It's beautiful.
We'll avoid the cold one,though, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
So you mentioned Loch Ness.
All the Scottish love to keepthat alive.
Any thoughts of, or have youhad anybody that's seen it
around you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Come on, there's got to be some goods.
Give us some good stuff Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I wish there's a guy that stays on the banks of Loch
Ness he's from England, he movedup in 1990, early 90s and of
Loch Ness.
He's from England, he moved upin 1990, early 90s and his life
mission is to find the Loch Nessmonster.
So he stays in a little caravanon the banks of Loch Ness and I
don't think he's seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
He's been there his whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Keep going, mate, keep living your dream.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
You ever be in that water and you're, like you know,
looking around as a kid, rightEspecially as a kid like you've
got to be a little bit scared ofit, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Do you think the Loch Ness scene them guys?
They're going to hang out nextto these people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
As a kid, as a kid as adults.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I don't think they were small as a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Tom was six foot when he was born.
Yeah, but when you went it's alot nicer.
Scary because like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
so you walk in for about two or three meters and
all of a sudden it just drops,so like, and it's dark, like the
water's dark, so you can't seebelow it and I get petrified of
obviously what like if I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
That shelf.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
So I think the first few times I went in there, luke
was like come to cold water.
So this is easy, this is easy,and all of a sudden bang.
I was like I just drowned and Iwas like this is this, ain't it
.
He didn't know, but anythingcould be under there.
I was like the Loch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Ness, the Loch Ness monsters under there.
I have seen that in that, inthere that there's a drop off
and it goes really, really deepand that's why they say the
monsters down down there in thedepths waiting to get you guys.
I'm sure it's there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
You know we don't want to ruin Scottish tourism.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
It's there, it's there.
We've seen it.
Yeah, I was hoping that yousaid you'd seen it to increase
the tourism.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
We actually ride it.
You know, Tom, as soon as itI'm like, yeah, that would make
sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Glad you had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
That would be cool.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I wish we had some footage of that, but our camera
dropped in the water or whatever, so never thought that would
happen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, don't worry, it's the one that got away.
Yeah, that's it.
Keeping the myth alive.
You guys are always laughingand causing jokes.
I mean, I've been around youguys enough, but who's the
biggest prankster of you two?

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Luke, 100%.
I just I'm the story of thatspicy stuff and all that, all
right yeah spicy.
Do you test spicy food?
But spicy stop ones is the name.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
But yeah, he'll tell you tom's tom's really easy to
prank, though he's quite blesshim.
He's very trusted, so um we, sowe got the like the spicy
stolen thing came from we wereat uh seeing the cats.
Okay, the chilies and the ohyeah thing came from.
We were at, uh, the chilies andthe oh yeah, that's the catch
for us spicy stoltmans, but, um,2019, world's strongest man.

(01:05:55):
One of the videographers foundout that tom found tomato sauce
ketchup spicy.
I'm like what do you mean?
He said, oh, just someketchup's really spicy.
So then she made a t-shirtsaying spicy stoltmans.
So like that stuck and then wegot tattoos, as you do.
So, yeah, we do a lot of pranksand you know I ordered some
spicy stuff off Amazon and somereally spicy sauce.

(01:06:18):
There was a we were makingbreakfast for Tom one day fried
eggs so I put some like reallyspicy stuff in the yolk and then
Tom ate it and he was like ohyou got me.
Oh, it's spicy.
I was like oh sorry, mate,sorry, I've got some chocolate.
I ordered some spicy, likedaily.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Oh my gosh here.
Wash it down with this.
Yeah, there's some chocolate,that helps you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
And then he ate the chocolate buns and they were
really.
It's like Carolina Reaper.
Oh, that's vicious bro.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
I don't even know if that's a prank.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I know that probably could have died, but I mean he's
here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
That's how you get explosive diarrhea, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Unexplosive left bro.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
That's not nice.
The spicy challenges man.
We just get tied to doing that.
I've seen yeah, tell us aboutthis.
I've seen that.
I've seen yeah, tell us aboutthis.
It's so.
We did one with Eddie EddieHall.
Eddie's like we're down inLondon.
He says oh hey, guys, do youwant to?
We've got a really nicerestaurant booked for us tonight
.
We're like oh nice, steakwhatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
You were the Eddie too, by the way, so you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Yeah, so we're like I don't know if it's nice.
It was renowned for doingchallenges anyway.
And there was these spicychicken wings and you know, you
know it's bad when the guys comeout and like hazard some glass.
And we had like an event on thefollowing day which was like so

(01:07:42):
we had these and it was thespiciest thing I've ever had in
my life.
It was brutal and Eddie wasjust pissing himself off,
whatever.
But then the following day,like you know, you're trying to
interact with people and sayhello but like every like 10
minutes having to go off thetoilet and yeah, it wasn't nice,
but it's just.
That's the.
That's a frustrating thingbecause we're not really that

(01:08:03):
good with spices.
And but yeah, getting gettingTom in pranks.
It's funny, sinead Tom's wifealways gets him get frights
every single time keeps my heartin shape or she jumps and
frightens him.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
She gives me frights walking up the stairs, or she
hides behind, because she's onlyfive foot, so hide behind doors
, screams at me, and it's someof the, or if you're sleeping on
the sofa like, and she's like,ah, and so I'm like oh, worst
things ever, Is she filmingevery one?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
of these too.
She's probably got like acatalogue of frights as my wife
does too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
She put about 20 of them on TikTok oh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Yeah, but you want to have, you just want to smile
and have a bit of fun and justlaugh, you know, because it is
quite a serious thing.
You know, when you're, you knowas, when you're training, it's
serious, it's, it's so likementally consuming.
You know it's nice, we can havea bit of fun in between and
just enjoy life.
And, um, you know, it'ssomething that we think about an
awful lot training, but in thesame time you have to make time

(01:09:00):
for that.
Just little things in life,that daft things.
And if I can get get one overand tom, because it's not often
I I get one over on him incompetitions, now that he's oh,
so that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Huh, I'll keep getting one over in competitions
, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
But you guys and I've noticed this with a lot of
strongmen now, you know, withBrian Air D, mitchell Hooper,
evan everybody's got a big focuson the YouTube pages and with
the strongmen, over the lastcouple of years I've noticed
people have blown up, not justby showing what they can do in
the lift, but also doing stuffoutside of the gym too, showing

(01:09:41):
your personality, going around,doing different challenges.
And you guys, you've thrownyourself into so many different
sports training with differentathletes.
I love that, obviously, butyou're not scared to try
anything and you know, dare Isay it, make a fool of yourself
in some cases, right.
But then the food challenges.
The food challenges I thinkthem are the ones that everybody

(01:10:03):
loves, right.
But you guys have got yourYouTube channel, the Stockton
Brothers YouTube channel, andyou've got tens of millions of
views, probably more.
I've only counted up the tens.
But the videos that you'reputting out right now again, was
that hard?
I think there's a doublequestion here.
Was that hard for you guys tohave that new age mindset?
Because you know us coming fromthe uk me growing up in

(01:10:25):
bodybuilding I was covered updorian yates mentality you just
go in, you train, you kill itand then you get out yeah, and
there was nothing filmed, therewas no photos taken.
That was the era I came from.
No, in bodybuilding you have topause the fucking most muscular
every day and show the world.
You have to do a you know, acheeky front double bicep in the
strongman world.
These new endeavors and allthese new chapters have

(01:10:47):
happening.
Was it hard for you, being inscotland, in the highlands, to
be creative and and get onyoutube?
Um, or was that in a benefitfor you and then tell us how
that has evolved in in the lastcouple of years on your youtube
channel?

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
I mean, for for me it was the worst, the worst thing
in the world, I think.
Uh, obviously, when we startedYouTube, I think it was what, a
few years, two, three years AllI wanted to do was I just wanted
to lift weights.
I didn't want any of thatcamera distractions, I didn't
want anyone following my lifearound.
That's what.
Obviously, having autism, Ireally did struggle with that.
You look back at the old videos.

(01:11:23):
Then I said three or four wordsmax and I let him do all the
talking, and it's obviouslychanged now.
But I think we'd done it becausewe knew we had to jump on this.
You know the YouTube bandwagonback then, obviously with COVID
as well.
It was massive when we kind ofstarted it as well.
So we really had that advantagethere.
But man, it was really hard tohave a camera in your face.

(01:11:45):
Training was all right, but tosee following your life around
when you're like just sitting athome chilling with the wife
doing stuff, that was reallyhard for myself.
But, like I said, we had to doand I kind of took to it quite
quickly the good thing about itwe had each other and we could
do all these kind of jokes wehad with each other.
We didn't.
We did a lot of filming stuff,but we tended to feel like
people wanted to see, like Isaid, personalities.

(01:12:05):
The eating stuff's massive andyeah, now it's just, it's a
thing we have to do every singleday.
We have to put our lives outthere.
But, yeah, I really enjoy itnow.
But back in the first few weeksof doing that was was how I
think our first video was.
Luke had a good idea.
Well, luke had this idea ofgoing up to a place up in Skye
which is two hours north of usand it was to go into like a was

(01:12:29):
it like a teenage?

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
no, it was no.
No, that's it.
It was right.
No, I was fuming, it was no, wewere going to stay the night
there.
Remember that wasn't part.
It was just in the Isle ofSkies, a really popular holiday
destination in the in thesummertime.
So like accommodation waspretty scarce, we kind of booked
it last minute and the onlyplace was a hostel.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
But he was laughing his head off because he knew as
soon as he said that I was likewe are not doing this.
So anyway, we went, walked in.
He walked in.
I had this room and it was had,I think, pee on the bed sheets.
I was like, oh fuck you.
Luke walked in with somebody,but he was.
There was someone in his theroom that he was sharing with
doing all.
He was just in his pants.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yeah, he was just in his pants, just in his pants,
and I don't think he had ashower for like a couple of
weeks I text Luke saying let'sleave this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
So we just bolted out of there, and I mean because,
well, it takes like three hours,three or four hours to drive
there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
So we thought, right, we'll just stay for the night
and do our filming the next day.
There's a really nice placecalled the Fairy Pools, which is
like a beautiful river.
It's got these beautiful pools,so we're going to do a swim
there.
So we thought we're not stayingin this hostel because it was
disgusting and I'd been offshorefor like 17 years and some of

(01:13:44):
the rooms offshore in the rigswere horrendous, but this was
even worse, oh jeez.
So 17 years and some of therooms offshore in the rigs were
horrendous, but this, this waseven worse.
So we're like, right, stuff, it, let's just go and do the
filming.
So we drove off to the thefairy pools, did some filming
and then got home about twoo'clock in the morning, um, so
yeah, that wasn't very nice.
But, like as tom was saying,like with the youtube stuff,
it's like so I had a job 17years in the oil rig.

(01:14:04):
Yeah, I was gonna speak aboutthat.
What about that?
What a tough job.
Tough job, man.
It's like.
And I was getting to the pointin 2019 where I'd said to my
wife I'm not going offshoreanymore, but I had to have
something else to take thatincome in.
So, like, what was I going todo?
So you look at, like BrianBrian Shaw, eddie, you know how

(01:14:25):
successful they are, and HalfThor as well.
You know how successful theyare, and Half Thor as well, you
know.
So they're doing their YouTube,they're doing their clothing,
and how many income streams canyou get?
And that's what I needed to beable to do to give up that.
So we had a discussion, tom andI.
We said, right, we'll startdoing some clothing.
None of us knew anything about,so we had to learn how to do
that.
Then the YouTube stuff came onsocial media.

(01:14:49):
So we took on, so avideographer started working you
know the usual kind of stuffand then it just kind of you
know, the whole pandemic thinghappened and like, oh shit, I've
just given up a well-paid jobto go full-time strongman.
And then the strongman weweren't sure we were going to be
able to do any competitions,but fortunately everyone was at

(01:15:09):
home then, weren't they?
So it was like more eyes onviews and people were watching
and it went really well.
And yeah, fair play to Tom, itwas a struggle for you at the
start.
I would recommend go back andwatch the first couple.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Are we going to put it on B-roll?
I'm joking.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
He was like he didn't say anything, and now it's the
complete opposite Like I can'tsay anything.
Oh really, he just shuts me up,he just keeps speaking.
I want to be centre of theattention.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
I think if you walk in the room all eyes gravitate
to both of you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
But as you're a little bit tall, I think you
know you're doing well in that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
I think he's doing okay, he's got that covered, the
big bastard.
Can I circle back on the oilrig stuff, Because it's very
impressive to me that you becameas successful as you were by
spending.
Is it three months on, threemonths off?
Is that the timelines?

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Sometimes further afield.
If I was overseas I'd maybe dothree months away the last few
field.
If I was overseas, I would dothree months away the last few
jobs.
I was in the North Sea.
You can do up to three weeks,so it's usually three weeks and
maybe a week or two weeks offdepending on the contract or the
project.
So I worked all over.
I was working in Angola,Nigeria, Papua New Guinea, South

(01:16:28):
Korea was the last overseasproject I had, so that was a
year I was out there.
For I actually flew back fromSouth Korea to come back to
compete at Britain's Strongestman and then flew back straight
the next day after.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
They got gyms on the oil rig or what.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
I was just going to say what can you even do when
you're on the oil rig.
I mean, there is gyms, it hasto be, because you have to have
some type of physical activity,but I think now, health and
safety, certainly in the NorthSea.
In the UK you can only have upto, I think, 35 kilo dumbbells,
so it's about 70 pounds, yeah,there and thereabouts.

(01:17:04):
But I used to always take outresistance bands, bands with me
so I could deadlift more, soyou'd stand in the resistance
bands, get more resistance, butin the North Sea it's very
stormy, so you'd be on like anaccommodation barge and like the
storms would come in and it'dbe like and like, honestly, it
was just deadlifting Like you'reon one of them vibrating beds,

(01:17:26):
or they'd just close the gym.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
you know it'd be like lifting, like one of them
vibrating beds or they'd justclose the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
It'd be closed for four days because of the weather
and you were just stucktwiddling your thumbs.
You're like, jeez, I've gotWorld's Strongest man to prep
for in a month.
Fuck, and you see everyone.
It got to me because I saweveryone else training in the
best conditions, the best gym,in 2019, the reason why I

(01:17:51):
stopped working I said I wasn'tgoing to work anymore because
Tom got invited out to do anincubator program out in Dubai
for a month, so all-inclusive,everything paid for, and I had
to go offshore.
I was out in the soil rig, soit's in bunk beds, you know.
So I was in, fortunately, thebottom bunk, but the beds are

(01:18:12):
like just so narrow.
My shoulder was over a hang inthe bed.
I'm on social media.
I flicked on Instagram and Isee Tom in like Dubai mall
living his best life.
I'm like this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
I'm quitting.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I'm like this motherfucker, I'm quitting, I'm
done, I'm off to Dubai.
So I literally text or phoneCushy.
I said, look, cush, I thinkthis is it.
Man, I'm done.
I don't want to be like 60years old saying, you know, I've
been 60 in the bar, saying tothe guys that could have been me
if I didn't, you know, if Iwasn't working offshore, that
would have been me and I didn'twant to be that person.

(01:18:47):
And by that time Mum had passedaway as well.
So I wanted to like, mum wantedus to be happy, you know, not
just do something just for thesake of it.
So I was like, right, I'm done.
I had a contract to fulfil backhome up until March in 2020.
And that was the last time, like, when that day came, got my

(01:19:10):
boiler suit, my coveralls, myhard hat, put them all in a
garbage bag and then chuckedthem in the bin.
And that was me.
I was so happy, like thatmoment.
I remember saying to the guysI'm not working offshore anymore
, I'm done.
Like, yeah, whatever man, yeah,shut up.
Were you going to be a strongman?
I was like, yeah, I'll be astrong man.
And then you know, here you are.
And you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
I thought when you said I'm done, I'm going to get
off this whole rig.
When you said that sentence tome, I thought it was because you
run out of resistance bands.
You fucking snapped them off, Imean how many resistance bands
do you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
think this guy went through a thick resistance band.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
But just think of this Rock right?
You know, as Luke said, you'rewatching all your competitors
having the luxury of justturning up at a specialized
strongman gym with equipmentthat they will be lifting on at
X event, giants Worlds, whateverit is.

(01:20:04):
And then here's Luke, there,trying to do what he can do on
shaky ground at times, trainingfor that show.
That just goes to show yourmindset and commitment to your
craft, my friend, and traineverything possible and anything
possible to get you to thatnext chapter and, needless to
say, man, I think that this isall plays part of.

(01:20:27):
We've got two incredible, bestof the best strongmen sitting on
our sofas right here.
Two different stories too.
Yes, the guys have cometogether and supported one
another, but you have yourunique story.
You have your unique story andI think that this is what makes
this relationship so special,because you know you've had to
go through your hardships, tomhas gone through his hardships

(01:20:49):
and you've both, kind of, at2019, came together.
Um, you know, when you said,mum passed as well that year, um
, would you say that all thatplayed a part to evolve both of
you to then being more focusedthan ever and fulfill your goal
of becoming world's strongestman.
You know british.
The best in britain, best ineurope yeah, 100 I mean it's

(01:21:13):
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
You need that, like I , I, when I, you feel pain, like
that's all part of pain andlike that's what I've realized.
I don't just this last fewweeks I need to feel pain, to
like you feel numb, you thinkyou're doing okay and you're
just kind of coasting in life.
You know you're just likeoffshore, like I was numb doing
that.
I was like, yeah, the money was, you know, I was earning money,

(01:21:36):
but it was just numb, I didn'tfeel anything.
It was like, yeah, yeah, blah,blah, blah, but like giving up
that it was like it was reallydifficult to do that.
But when my mum passed, thatthat was pain, training's pain,
going through all this stuff Tomgrowing up with autism was pain
for him.
And the more pain that you canendure, that's when the good
times come.
If you can keep going likeright, I'm going to wake up

(01:21:59):
today, and if I can justfunction and get through this
day, that's a win, that's a goodone, I'm happy.
And then once you start, once Istart doing that, then I start
to get more enjoyment from that.
I'm like, oh okay, actuallylife is pretty cool seeing a
sunrise, like walking out, whenyou're like our dad just planted
seven or eight thousandsunflowers in memory of her mum,

(01:22:21):
because her favourite flowerwas sunflowers.
Seeing them blossom everymorning, I'm like life was
pretty cool, man coming to Vegasto compete in our passion, in
our sport.
Life's not bad, but we had to gothrough that, we had to endure
that.
We had to watch mum for threeyears die from cancer and see
the pain that she went through.

(01:22:42):
That's not.
That's like what we do issuperficial, isn't it?
It's not real pain.
But when you get diagnosed withsomething like real, that's
nothing.
You can't get rid of that pain,no matter what.
You take morphine painkillers,that's done.
Your life is, we're all goingto die.
But like, when you get thatterminal notice, you're done.

(01:23:02):
And like seeing how mum kind ofheld herself, like she was so
stoic, so like so scottish, justscottish, just a, a solid
highlander, and that's whatwe've got to be.
Now you know we're not.
We can't give up, we can't stopbecause something's happened.
Like we've got a job to do.
We've got mum's memory to tofulfill and to keep going and to

(01:23:24):
keep keep doing what we can do.
And you know that's why tom isgoing to win six times world's
strongest man and be thegreatest strongman in the world.
That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Love it.
What do you think about that,tom?
100%, 100%.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Love it Six times.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
You said law of attraction earlier, didn't you?
You've got to put it out thereto believe it.
You've got to manifest,manifest it out.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
Six times to be the greatest strongman of all time.
Be good, eh.
Three more to go Halfway there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
The fact you're only 30 is what blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
When I was looking it up and I was like dude, he's so
young.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
He asked me he's like is Tom really 30?
I said yeah, he's 30.
It's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
I wish I was 30.
Jeez, we all do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
All of us that are not 30 wish we do.
Yeah, yeah, oh, it's so nice tobe 30 again.
Can I just on the back end ofthat and this is not don't
excuse this as like a morbidconversation, because I think
this is a beautiful one.
You know, mom got to trulybring up five kids, you know,
and you were saying about thesummer holidays and my mother
also went through breast cancerthree times.
She's on the other side of that, thankfully, but we all thought

(01:24:30):
we were going to lose her too,and that fear and that thought
nearly had me go home.
You know, when I was here in theUnited States, In fact, they
hid it from me because they knewI'd be on that first flight
home and my mother wanted me,just like you guys, to live your
best life.
So when I found out about it,it was actually my coach, neil
Hill, that told me he's likeyour mom is not good.
I was pissed, I was mad,because everybody knew and they

(01:24:52):
didn't tell me, so they didn'texpect my mom to take the turn
that she did.
I go home, she's in hospitaland what my mom told me was I
will fight this, welsh mentality, celtic mom mentality, mom
mentality.
I will fight this and I will bethere for the Mr Olympia.
So the Mr Olympia found outabout this story and not only
did they, was she there for theMr Olympia, but they put her

(01:25:13):
right behind Joe Weider forsecond row so I could see her in
on stage looking down cheeringme on Full circle, moment you
know.
For me to mentioned, you know,that was that was a real fight.
What I was doing, getting upevery morning, was
self-inflicted.
Was it hard?
Absolutely, but it was nothing,nothing.
What my mom and your mom wentthrough, um, and you mentioned

(01:25:36):
earlier about the buzzwords andstuff like that is that stuff
that you use on competition daysomething, maybe a memory of mom
to get you amped up?

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
yeah, I mean for me it was, um, you know, when she
away.
Obviously she was my biggestkind of go-to person growing up,
but I said to myself that Ineed to make a promise to her.
So I said, in 2019, me and Lukewould be the first brothers to
make World's Strongest man final2020.
I would podium in 2021, I'd win.
I said that in about 2018.
So and I was like you know, Idon't want to break a promise,

(01:26:07):
but I don't want to break apromise to the person I love the
most.
And again, you know,manifesting that, saying that
and actually doing every singlething possible.
And, like I said, it came true2019, first Brothers go to the
final 2020, podium in 2021, wonmy title.
And that was the three yearsthat I was like this is where
you're going to see the best TomStoltman.
This is three years that I waslike this is where you're going

(01:26:32):
to see the best Tom Stoltman.
This is where I'm going to putwhat's happened to my mum and
turn it to the positive.
You know, think about thesmiles she did to me.
I got tattoos of her torepresent her, using that
promise as fuel, as fire, to belike she's there with me every
single step of the way, if Ibreak this promise, I'm
basically dead inside as well.
So I really kind of went tothose kind of you know, those
kind of places in my head aswell and, yeah, that promise was
the thing that really got methrough the prep for the next

(01:26:52):
three or four years after shepassed away.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
So yeah, and like it's just that that pain thing
that really got like got mebecause mum said, um, she like
drove up to the hospital.
She said she was a maniac man.
She like she's got five kidsright and we all live within ten
minutes of her, like mum, ifyou need anything, we're here.
But she drove up the hospitalby herself.

(01:27:14):
She drove up get chemo byherself.
There was one time she had togo and get I don't know the
medical term, but it was aninjection in her spine to stop
her from going paralysed becausethe tumour was.
It was all over her bodybasically.
So she had to go up get thisbig mad needle in her spine.
She came back and, we didn'tknow, went and saw her in the

(01:27:35):
evening and she told me she said, oh, I had to go up to the
hospital, oh, it was quite sore.
And she would never say thingswere sore.
And I was like fuck, that musthave been really painful.
And that story really stickswith me because, again, what you
said, you know when we'reself-inflicted, when we're like
hurting because we've gotanother rep to do, we've got

(01:27:56):
another set to do, it's likewell, it's going to pass.
You know, after a minute I'mgoing to be okay, like I keep
going back to that thing for mumand every time again it's.
That's what kind of gets melike riled up inside.
Is mum family, like anyonedoing anything bad to my family?
That's my, that's my thing, youknow, because I die.

(01:28:18):
I was thinking that thismorning, looking at my son Cole,
I was like, oh mate, see, ifanyone did anything to you I
would do.
I would do anything to makesure you're happy in life.
And that goes with Tom brother,harry sisters, jodie and Nicky,
my dad, anyone I would doanything for them.
And that's my thing.

(01:28:40):
That gets me aggressive.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
When I left I was going to say calm down now,
fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Calm it down now.
You see it go in.
You mess with my head.
Oh fucking hell.
Calm it down, luke, I'm goingto go flip your car over.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
He was like if anybody does anything to you, I
was like, well, it's not goingto happen.
Don't worry, hey, he's lookingat me.
I was like hey, fucking hellbro, I'm only fucking
interviewing you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
But you're one of those guys Like first time you
know me and Flex will work out alot at the house, real casual
we and like first couple times Iwent into the gym with him.
He's a different guy, like it'sa totally different kind of
workout.
There's no joking, it's not thefun workouts we do at the house
.
He turns into somebody else.
It's a little different.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
He's a little scary.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
He's a little scary, he's a little scary, yeah, I
mean like anybody around us whosees him working out are like
what the fuck?
They're scared.
I just took a picture of thisguy now he's an asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
It's my job, talking of which, with you being in the
public.
For me, being as short as I am,I can kind of hide behind
people.
If I'm out and about, if I getrecognized, I stop.
We take photos.
How hard is it for you to justgo out?
There's only a few Chineseplaces, indian places in your

(01:29:49):
local village town.
How hard is it for you to donormal stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
There's no hiding.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
I mean it's, it's not too bad where we're from, and
I'm regarding because, likeeveryone knows everyone there,
it's one of those times you know, so it's, it's, it's nice, but
like when you go to Like a cityGlasgow, and so it's nice, but
like when you go to like a cityGlasgow, london, yeah, it's
pretty wild People do, becauseit's like you see Tom walking
and then me next to him.
It's like two big guys.
What's the storm?
There's blue, there's blue.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
They're not great.
In the UK they do that.
I go home.
Yes flags fucking go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
It's mad.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Yeah, they don't stop for the photo they just go past
on the horn.
It's great, it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Sorry, that's why it's so nice to do that, but
it's I mean people, it's weird.
I mean again, we didn't everthink and same with you, you
don't ever think that it's goingto happen.
And if people want to get aphoto with us, of course, 100%,
man, it's quite embarrassing.
Sometimes it's still quite kindof Not like that, but it's
almost overwhelming that peoplewant to do that.

(01:30:56):
It's so cool, but I mean, longmay it continue.
I guess the more photos you get, the better job we're doing at
kind of getting things out thereand the profile raised and
stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Is there any celebrities that you've been
shocked that came and said, hey,can I get a photo with you guys
?
You're like holy shit, butinside you're like oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Arnie.
I think Arnie was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Arnie came up and said can I get a picture with
you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
When we were computing at the Strongman show.
I was doing a log press and hewas like recording my log press.
It was the heaviest log pressof the day and I was like
fucking hell, man, what's this?
What is my life?
Why are you recording me, mate?
And then he's like, yeah, yeah,it's all in the head, isn't it?
I was like, yeah, yeah, whatdid he say?

(01:31:39):
I mean, it takes a little bitof training as well, mate, as
you know, but that was cool,wasn't?

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
it.
Even Sylvester Stallone.
We met him in the UK.
That's my guy Again.
You think for him being such ahigh profile guy, he was
unbelievable.
We walked in.
I think his jaw dropped when weboth walked in and he was like
you can be my bodyguard.
We just nice, wee talk for five, 10 minutes and got a photo and
it was.
He was really respectful andyou know a lot of people
wouldn't think that of thesehigh profile guys, but he was

(01:32:07):
unbelievable.
He had time for me in Luke.
He was really cool, he was sucha nice guy but he's so, so
smart.
I see in movies.
You think he's a big guy butwhat was he like?

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
I think, well, back in the day, he's a bit older.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
He's only like 5'10 and a half, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Just like when you put your hand on his shoulder.
It felt quite kind of.
I was like please meet hissight and then give him a pat.
I don't know why I did.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
I don't know why I patted him like a dog it's okay,
because I did the same thingwhen you came in and I was like,
yeah, so dense but yeah, it'sjust.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
I mean, one of my biggest ones is Wim Hof.
I remember 2019, 20, wheneverit was, we wrote on the
whiteboard who we'd want to docollabs with whatever, and
obviously you were one of themFlex and then underneath that
was Wim Hof.
I just loved him and we wentout last year to film with him

(01:33:06):
and, ah, man, it was just justwhat, you see, is what you get
with him.
You bring him to the lock.
You've got to bring him to thelock.
Well, he stays in Holland, soin Amsterdam, so we flew out
there, but he's coming over toScotland in November.
So I think we're going to hookup and do some.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
I've seen him in some crazy Antarctica type stuff too
.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
It's like he's doing some crazy stuff.
So you guys went out with him,right?
What kind of stuff did you do?

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
Him and Luke together were nuts like the Scottish Wim
Hof and the real Wim Hof.
So I like cold water.
I love the hot and coldcontrast.
For me that's what I do it for.
I do it at nighttime.
So when Luke said we were goingover, I was kind of like let's
see how good this breathingthing actually is, because you
didn't do it in your house andit's not as effective.
But Anyway, we went over soonas we met him on the airport.

(01:33:50):
He's just Cuddling, yeah, he'sjust in his sandals, shorts,
going absolute mental.
We were driving, he wasinterviewing and he was had no
hands on the thing.
Going on this expression, I waslike this guy's nuts, are we
gonna make it to his house?
Anyway, we got to his retreatand, like it was unbelievable,
we did the breathing thing and Ijust laid down there and, like
Luke said, it's the first round,it's just getting into it.

(01:34:11):
Then the second, third round,more intense.
We were holding our breaths for30 seconds, a minute, minute
and a half, two minutes and hehad his brother there who's
playing the drums and by thefourth round I woke up, it was
finished and I thought he hadamputated my lower half of my
body.
I was like to my character.
What the hell's happened here?
I couldn't feel anything.
I was crying with laughter.

(01:34:33):
I was just like Wim Hof hasdone something to me, but it was
the most intense, powerfulthing ever done in my life.
And then the next day as well,we did it with these fitness
people he was filming with aswell, and again same thing
happened.
But I seen two of the girls runout the room crying.
One of them had a kind of likefit thing and I was like this

(01:34:53):
guy is basically controllingpeople with just his breath and
it was scary but very, veryinteresting what he was doing.
I was just it was, it was justnuts, it was just like a big
room of just people crying,feeling sick, laughing, running
away.
I was like he was laughing hishead off.
He was oh, it was just, it was,it was just mental.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
It's like anything to do with strength, like as soon
as we got there, he's like ohHolland, holland's really flat.
And he's like we don't havemountains, but now we have two
mountains.
But like he was doing all these, like he was doing bicep curls,
he's got his own like.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
It's like Flintstones on the trees.
He has it made out of allpulleys.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
But he's just.
He's like 68, I think, or 65.
He's expecting a little girl intwo weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
What a stud Wow.
Fucking hell them cold plans.
You've been sparking the ball,sack Fucking hell.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
He does the splits, doesn't he?
So you have to let your.
You know shouldn't wearunderwear.
Need to let them hang free andstuff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
I've seen him talk about the direct sun on the nuts
too.
I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Well, I avoided that clip.
I don't know if it was toographic for my liking.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
I didn't watch, I didn't see a visual, I just
heard him talking about it.
Okay, okay, okay, diddy, okaydid he?
Okay, oh, cancel, oh shit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Skip over that.
I just like how he's almost 70.
What a stud.
And he's just doing life.
His message was really pure.
That's what I really liked.
He's like it doesn't costanything, go and jump in the sea
, go and jump in the lochs, goin cold water for inflammation,
for respiratory diseases, andreducing the inflammation.

(01:36:33):
It's amazing.
It's like when I was youngeryou hurt your arm.
Your granny would say just go,put some ice on it, put it in
the water, give me a kiss.
Bone sticking out, you'll befine, you'll grow back.
But yeah, he was just a class.
It's sticking out, you're good,you'll be fine, you'll grow
back, grow back.
He was a class.
It's nice when you see someonethat has that same energy on and

(01:36:55):
off camera as well.
So I met him.
It was like and then he let us.
He's got this retreat place inHolland and it was just Tom and
I and our videographer that waswith us and he's like right,
guys, I'm off to go to my house,I'll see you tomorrow about 10
am.
We're like you stay here, youmake yourself at home.

(01:37:17):
So he left us the whole placeand we were like chilling,
playing in the gong and playingwith the guitars and he's got
this cliff.
I don't know if you've seen thejumping off the cliff and
everything.
It was class, it was just verywelcoming and that was a really
special kind of experience withhim.
So hopefully in November we'llhook up again with him and do

(01:37:39):
some more Cold Water stuff, muchto Tom's enjoyment Crazy things
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Well, we've gone through the whole podcast
probably the most non-Strongmanpodcast.
You guys have been on for awhile, I'm sure, and we've not
talked about any feats ofstrength and obviously, our
viewers.
We've got a mixed bag ofviewers.
We've got people in business,bodybuilding and everything in
between, so you guys have brokenmany records.

(01:38:06):
Obviously, I can give you thefloor Whoever wants to go first.
Can you tell some of theviewers what you've done?
Feats of strength-wise?

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
Yeah, I mean, for me it's obviously the Atlas Stones
Shocking.
I'm quite good at the AtlasStones Quite good.
So it was yeah, so I did the.
So it was in Arnold's Classic,I think it was.
When did I break the first one?
A good few years ago.
It was to break Brian Shaw'srecord of 265 kg Don't really

(01:38:35):
know pounds, but it's a heavyAtlas stone anyway.
So I did that.
One got it over and then Ithink it was two years later I
had the chance to break it andgo for 286 kg, which you know,
in strongman competitions we goup to 210, so you're talking
another 60, 70 kilograms on topof that.
And yeah, that's probably oneof my proudest records was I did
286.

(01:38:56):
I actually loaded it verycomfortable as well, and I'm
just going to be waiting to tryand do a 300 kilogram at the
stone.
That is my goal, because for me, I think a 300 kgkg Atlas stone
would be just as impressive ormore impressive as a 500kg
deadlift.
I think you look at theathletes that can deadlift.
There's a lot of athletes thatcan have it and maybe in a
year's time could deadlift 500kg, but with an Atlas stone I

(01:39:18):
think there is only one personon the planet that can do that
and that is myself.
I think having the 286kg I'vehad that for three or four years
and I think the heaviest stonebelow that is about 260, 265 kg.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
Can I tell you how much this stone weighs?
631 pounds, bro.
631 pounds, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Yeah, people can't even deadlift that In my head
and I'm also thinking to myselfas I'm hearing you talk and
obviously you've been thestrongest man three times.
Is it an advantage to be big inthis competition?
Right, because you know, likeyou know, we saw darren, you
know, and darren's an og broright, he's an og, and he's six
foot tall, right?

(01:39:59):
Oh, he's five, six fuckingright.
But but is there an advantage?
right because I know, I know foryou know, like smaller guys in
the gym sometimes it's like'slike you have to go less far and
they can hit up a little bitheavier.
So is it an advantage or is ita disadvantage having long arms,
long legs, because it'sobviously different kinds of

(01:40:20):
lifts, right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Yeah, I think with strongman is size.
So the saying is mass movesmass.
So you've got someone like Tomat six foot eight.
I mean 400 pounds whatever,plus um, that's a big man.
So he's going to move somemassive objects and then with
Tom's wingspan they're, they'rebig, but relatively speaking

(01:40:45):
it's not abnormally big.
Um, tom's just gifted in prettymuch everything he does, which
is, yeah, really cool to see.
But like Atlas Stones for Tom,I always think in my head when I
watch you, when I watch Tomdoing Atlas Stones, they're all
the same shape, so they're allspherical, so Tom almost doesn't

(01:41:05):
concentrate on the weight ofthem.
It's just okay.
Okay, it's the same shape.
I'm just going to pick up anddo it.
And not only has he done theheaviest atlas stone in the
world, he's done the fastest.
I don't know how many.
He's done the fastest ten atlasstones.
He's done the fastest ones inWorld's Strongest man.
He's done the fastest ones inGiants Live.

(01:41:25):
You know, the atlas stones isjust incredible.
When you see Tom Flying, it'sliterally 600 pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
No, no At the World's Strongest man.
He had done all five stones andcelebrating whilst somebody was
on the food.
I believe it.
It's just unbelievable, but youwere an incredible presser with
the logs.
Yeah, you know, I think you'vedone.
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
487 pounds British the most I've done in training
is 228, 228 and a half kilos,which is whatever, 500 plus
pounds yeah, 500 pounds so theofficial British record is 221
kilos, which is almost over 500it's 487.
487.
And then I've got records in 150kilos for reps, for repetitions

(01:42:16):
in a minute.
I think that was eight or ninereps I think I did.
In that we also hold the onearm, so we do these one arm
dumbbell presses.
So you've got like a three inchdiameter handle.
You pick it up onto yourshoulder.
There's that grip strength.
Yeah, like this bro, it'sridiculous.
And I think we did 132 kiloslast year, which is like
probably 280, roughly 280 poundswith one hand.

(01:42:39):
So that's pretty cool.
So anything pressing I'm reallyand I guess, because my arms
aren't hugely long, I'm prettygood, I'm decent at squatting,
but those records I'm prettygood, I'm decent at squatting,
but those records, yeah, I'mpretty chuffed to have them.
I want to come back next yearand give the world record a
little tickle again because Istill think I've got a, yeah,
iron Bibby, who's a massive guy,he's just Big press, I tell you

(01:43:03):
, phenomenal shoulder strength,just insane.
But I think I can push himbecause it's such a technical
lift, the log press.
It's not just about shoulderstrength.
You've got to get thatexplosive power in your legs and
I'm very explosive.
So I think if I can train for afew months just prepping for

(01:43:24):
that, I think I can give Bibby alittle run for his money, which
would be pretty cool to see youtwo going at it mate, if it was
in the Royal Albert Hall too,that would be incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
I mean that atmosphere there.
And, just to let you know, theRoyal Albert Hall is a theatre
world world renowned.
It's had the best of the bestsingers, orchestras, all been
done there.
It was designed to beacoustically incredible.
So at the Royal Albert Hallthere was going to be a

(01:43:54):
one-and-done Strongman event.
And to actually get a Strongmanevent in the Royal Albert Hall
was just a feat in itself.
And the promoters I mean thepeople who were running the
Royal Albert Hall they're veryparticular who goes in there.
So you know, strongman comingin all this heavy equipment
coming in with all this historicyou know history and stuff
that's there, they were a littlebit nervous about moving all

(01:44:15):
this heavy stuff in.
Let me tell you something andI've heard this from so many
different people they were soblown away by the show that
these guys done at Royal AlbertHall that they were like when
are you coming back?
And we want to lock in amulti-year.
They broke the crowd, broke thedecibel record inside the Royal
Albert Hall and you can imagine, you've got operatic singers

(01:44:37):
that are breaking glasses whenthey're singing high notes.
And then these guys come in andI think it was Ian Bibby that
done it right and then theythink they broke a record on I
Am Bibi when he went for asecond attempt.
But what an incredible thing.
But just goes to show, and thisis kind of like a nice segue
into the fans in Strongman I'mblessed to have the fans that I

(01:44:59):
do in my world of bodybuildingand stuff.
But what I didn't expect when Icame to the first World's
Strongest man was how manybodybuilding fans are Strongman
fans.
And then these fans inparticular like they're just a
incredible group of passionatefans that were standing there at
five o'clock in the morning twoyears ago in the rain in

(01:45:21):
Daytona Beach waiting for thegates to open to see all these
guys coming in the buses andjust to wave at them and wish
them well and stuff the fansupport you guys have got.
You know, tell us about that,oh, man, it's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
They're so passionate Like they know everything, you
know, like these fans are just Idon't know what it is.
It's like they get so invested,I think, because I think it's
attainable.
You know being strong, you canattain it, you can do that.
And they realise it's hard work, it's consistency.
You just keep turning it up,keep doing it, and they get so

(01:45:57):
invested in the personalityaspect and they know, when guys
and girls come up and speak tous, they know everything about
us.
It's like how was that meal youhad in Dalmore Farm cafe back
home?
Like how would you know that?
Um, but it's, it's so nice tosee.
And you know, without thoseguys, you know I'd I'd still be

(01:46:19):
working out in the rigs and Iwouldn't be sat here and it's
just so nice to see.
And again, like it's nice thatthe American fans it's mad over
here at the Shaw Classic a fewweeks ago.
It's huge there.
But the UK it's just, like yousay, in the Albert Hall, man,
and we've got one in Glasgow inOctober in the Hydro in Glasgow,

(01:46:41):
scotland, and the first year wedid that, tom and I came out
together.
Oh man, it was the bagpipesplaying oh Go Spots.
It was just, and everyone canhave a drink as well.
So you combine that passionwith a bit of alcohol and
everyone's buzzing man InScotland.
It was just, it erupted andagain you go out there and you

(01:47:04):
think I get emotional.
You're like we're just a coupleof guys from a little town in
the Highlands and they're goingmental and it's so overwhelming.
Sometimes you don't reallyappreciate it.
And, as Tom shared, you knowthe story about autism, the
amount of people that come up tohim, families that come up to

(01:47:24):
him and say, look, this is mylittle son.
He's got autism but he'sstarting to speak now.
He's starting to be able to dolife because of watching Tom and
how open he is about it.
And that's the amazing thing.
You know you don't really startsomething and appreciate what
changes you can have insomeone's life and you know,
seeing what Tom's done and howopen he's been and the

(01:47:47):
difference difference forfamilies, that's a good thing.
That's the real heartwarmingstuff.
And that's where we know thatMam's looking down smiling, that
all her hard work done ingetting Tom the help that he
needed and the support that shegave Tom growing up, that's it
all paid off.
That's the reward now thatwe're giving back, which is

(01:48:08):
really cool to see.
But yeah, the fans are the fans, man, it's just, it's so cool
man they come with gifts.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Even I got gifts, bro .
They knew everything about me.
They got me all.
Like you know, I talk aboutsort of crisps right, we don't
get them much over here, butthey found them.
I mean anything that they foundonline that I've talked about
on a podcast.
They knew and, like, I gotgiven gifts, t-shirts, and I was
like I'm coming back next yearand I did, and I got more gifts.

(01:48:35):
You guys have must have hadsome very interesting gifts.
All right, from the fans, I'msure.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
I mean, like you said , it's like they're an
encyclopedia.
They know everything.
I mean, every single time Iturn up, they're like they know.
I used to go to like as soon asI come to America, I buy sweets
, so fans would be waiting atthe door for me saying, oh, we
got you a gift box full ofSwedish fish, haribo.
I'm just like this is crazy.
You don't see this in any othersports.
It's just and all the and, likeyou know, you can just stand
there and talk to them for five,10 minutes and they something

(01:49:03):
back as well.
But yeah, it's every singletime I turn up to a competition,
someone's always handing mesweets, because they know they
watch the youtube, they know Ilove my sweets, I know I've got
a sweet tooth and you're likethis is crazy we up brock.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
We didn't get to see this fish.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
This is unbelievable, so it's unreal.
I love it how it's such an agerange from like two, three years
old, all the way up to 70,eight year olds, and every
single person loves watching it,because it's an entertainment
show as well, and it's it'sunreal to see.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
I'm excited to see this is gonna be my first one,
guys you know, this is the firsttime I get.
I have a chance this Saturday soI'm really stoked, you know, to
go check this out live and youknow I know a lot of.
I got friends and and a lot ofother guys you know Who've never
been before they've seen maybeworld's strongest man, because
you know that that brand in theUnited States.
You know who've never beenbefore they've seen maybe
world's strongest man, becauseyou know that that brand in the
united states you know is isreally well known.

(01:49:51):
But, um, a lot, of, a lot ofnew faces gonna be there.
Seeing what you guys do, I'mI'm pumped up.
Man, all the pyro techniquesand stuff I see in the show
looks awesome it's scarysomething's when those go off.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Yeah, that bang at the end, whatever, and you're on
podium like jeez oh, jeez, ohman, give us a warning, but yeah
, you get right into it.
You know, after the first eventskind of started, you know it's
like oh jeez.
And then the crowd and everyone.
It's like a lot of passion andlike when we compete, like all
the guys, you know we do give100% and you'll see us.

(01:50:23):
You know we're shouting,screaming, we sound.
You know we're shouting,screaming, we sound quite
chilled now you know whatever.
But like come Saturday eveningripping shirts off, you know,
just getting really pumped up,aggressive and again, as Tom
says, that's what we've got todo.
You know, you've got to getthat process, isn't it?
Yeah, you've just got to findit.
And yeah, I was going to say Idon't know with the fan thing.

(01:50:45):
That we're so passionate isbecause they have quite a lot of
access to us.
So, like I don't know what inyour bodybuilding, obviously
you've got to do the meet andgreet stuff and everything, so
you're probably quite accessibleto the fans then as well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
I try to be all yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Which is probably why that you know you're so well
received.
But like in football,basketball, soccer, you can't.
I guess I understand with themoney and everything, but it's
not the like.
The fans are really invested inyou because they have that
personal connection, right, Ithink it's that blue collar
mentality right, Because, likeyou mentioned, everybody can get

(01:51:22):
stronger.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
You know, in bodybuilding there's a big
generic component to structureright For bodybuilding.
Obviously there's a geneticcomponent to strongman too right
, but anybody can get strongerand I've seen fans of all shapes
and sizes that have stood inline and took photos with you
guys and been excited.
Is there anybody being a fanthat stood in line Because I can

(01:51:46):
tell these stories to inbodybuilding that have stood in
line for me?
Is there anybody who's been afan, stood in line because I can
tell these stories to embodyBerlin, that are stood in line
for me?
Is there anybody who's been afan, stood in line, took a
picture and now is standing nextto you competing against you?

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
there's a guy in Saturday, scotland's Strongest.

Speaker 4 (01:51:55):
Man, scotland's Strongest man.
Someone called Chris Beetham,our early career in Scotland's
Strongest man.
He had gone through the ranksin Scotland with us.
He took a photo with us as welland, yeah, he's now won
Scotland's Strongest man andgoing to be competing with us
next year at Britain's Strongestman.
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
It's awesome he's from Scotland too, so you guys
inspired him to get in right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
It's awesome We've been doing it eight years, eight
years he's been competing forand this is like his kind of
first year of like being likethe strongest in scotland now
and um, yeah, big shout out tochris man, he's, he's a great
guy, um, so happy to see him win.
Um.
And then there was another guythat actually came fifth.
We did a few years ago like atraining day at the gym and he

(01:52:40):
came along to that just to trystrongman and that's him now
competing.
He came fifth fifth in Scotland, strongest man, which is cool
man.
It's nice to see that.
And it is again.
It's just get back to work, justget into the gym, just turn up
every day and that's all we'vedone.
There's nothing.
There's no secret sauce oranything, and I guess the

(01:53:02):
brother aspect obviously helps.
But yeah, it's just nice to seethat next kind of guys coming
up through the ranks, becausethat's what we want.
We're so passionate aboutstrongman, strength in general,
especially in Scotland.
You know it's like we need moreScottish guys, we need more
Celts, we need that warriormindset to come back to the

(01:53:23):
nation and just turn up and getit done.
I love it and I think that'swhere the joy comes in.
You know if you're turning upevery day getting it done.
And again, I said earlier,that's when you can check in at
night like fuck, that was a goodday.
Man turned up, deadlifted a newpb, um, or whatever it is.
Whatever it is your new pbs,new pbs every day, every day,

(01:53:43):
that's the mindset there.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
Well, we in wales we've got gavin builton.
I don't know where big gav camefrom.
He's not your cliche welsh guy,that's for sure.
I mean, I don't know what, whatuh test he'll be fell out of,
but you know, I'm very proud ofhim flying the flag for for us
welsh guys.
I'm there and, um, you guys aredoing the same in scotland, so,
uh, in in the last finalquestion before we land the
plane on this podcast, andthere's rock us and something

(01:54:08):
else to ask outside of Strongmanwhat is the legacy that you
want to leave on this earth?

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
Yeah, I mean, for me it's obviously the autism thing.
It's while I've been doing thekind of Strongman it's been,
I've been changing a lot ofpeople's lives and that's kind
of how I want to leave.
You know, leave this.
Trophies are nice but you knowI could die tomorrow and not
have this trophy.
But I could die and say likethis Tom Stopen's the one that
changed my life, tom Stopen'sthe one that got me out the

(01:54:35):
house, and that's how I want tobe remembered.
And yeah, if I can do that,then that's a massive bonus.
Obviously, growing the business,growing our merchandise, having
a HQ where people from aroundthe world can come to the
Highlands, but the number onefor me is changing that kind of
aspect of autism, saying it's asuperpower.
But I've already done it.
But I want to do it on a biggerscale as well and take it into

(01:54:56):
schools as well, because stillto this day I think schools are
still far behind in it a lot andthere's not enough kind of
education out there.
But for me to be the blueprintof this kid with autism didn't
leave his house, to now be anexcelling in this sport, and
it's just for me, it's justamazing that people can come up
to me now and go like whatyou've done for my child's
unbelievable even just not justchild-ful, but for men and women

(01:55:18):
as well.
So I wanna leave.
That's my biggest legacy is toinspire people with autism to
leave this earth and hopefullychange a few people's lives my
man.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
I think you've done that pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
I think he has.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
I think it's amazing to see.
I think, yeah, just, you know,in the UK and Scotland
especially, we've got like a areal crisis with men's mental
health, so that's something Ican battle.
You know, quite open aboutstuff and like it's just, it's

(01:55:50):
amazing what you learn throughthrough just talking to other
guys and like sitting down,chatting shit, like what is it
that makes men like not happy,but just okay, just being able
to function, you know, and if wecan do that, um, you know
that's a good day.
So, like, just keep talkingabout that's.
What I want to do, um, is tryto get the government in the uk
or try to get more stuff donefor men, because we get such a

(01:56:13):
bad, we get such a bad rep inlife like men, toxic male
masculinity a lot of the timemen can't open up, men can't
share, men can't, can't, can't,can't, can't.
I'd like to try and flip thatand say that men can do that
stuff.
You know men can.
We don't have to all open upand share stuff.
It's just looking at theindividual and see how we can
make things better.

(01:56:33):
Because, you know, a couple ofdays ago we were driving down to
Scotland's Strongest man.
There was a bridge, someone wasjumping off the bridge, a young
man jumped off the bridge andtook his life.
So like we shouldn't be doingthat.
So it's trying to find more joyand wholesomeness in life and
um, like by kind of being openand talking about that.
I think that's hopefully a fewpeople can kind of take that on

(01:56:54):
and see, see a change and helpthem change.
Um, and yeah, as tom says, youknow, just try and keep growing
um, doing mama, uh, kind ofmom's memory proud.
That's the biggest thing, Ithink.
And you know, my, my little boykoa, I just want him to grow up
and be able to watch.
Some's the biggest thing, Ithink.
And you know, my, my little boykoa, I just want him to grow up
and be able to watch some ofthis stuff.

(01:57:14):
That I think dad's actually allright he's.
He's a bit mental, he walksaround in a, in a robe, most of
the time in a poncho and hisflip-flops, but you know what.
And budgie smugglers, but youknow, dad's actually okay, he's
not a bad.
So, um, that my, like my lifenow is my son and making a kind
of a life where he's happy andjoyful and safe, and that goes

(01:57:37):
with all the other guys in theUK.
We want everyone to be safe andhappy and joyful and if we can
give a little bit of that back,then I think that's not bad.
It's not a bad legacy to kindof leave this world and, yeah,
say we've done okay.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Well, you've done more than okay and you've got
obviously plans for the futuretoo.
But Rock anything you want toask before we land the plane.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
No, I just appreciate .
You know what you said about usmen and you know honestly being
able to talk about our feelings, talk about things that bother
us.
You know that's what I havewith Flex.
You know our relationship.
You know we talk about Diddytoo, but we talk about a lot of
things and we talk about I hadto throw it in, but we talk

(01:58:19):
about everything, right, and youhave to have that.
And I feel like with men it'sbeen hard for us in the past.
We just bury everything.
You know I was us in the past.
We just bury everything.
You know I was in the marinecorps.
I've gone through a lot ofthings in my life and it took me
a long time to be able to speakabout them, to talk openly, to
have friends that wouldunderstand.
That wouldn't be.
I wouldn't be embarrassed totell about things that are going
on and we have to have thoseconversations and you know you

(01:58:41):
got your brothers, I got mineright here, so on that note.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
That's the way you end this fucking episode, right
With it.
First of all, like, how do Iend this?
It was one in hell, one hell ofan episode.
We talked on so many differentthings, but suffice to say guys,
you truly have have beenincredible guests.
I really appreciate it.
I should ask this before Ileave Is there anything you want
to push promote?

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
talk about before we get off the show.
The floor is yours.
I mean, if anyone wants tofollow us, by all means.
You're on social media, tom andLuke Stolten.
We've got our YouTube channel,stolten Brothers, if you want to
support us in our clothing,stoltenbrotherscom.
But yeah, just tune in Saturday, saturday evening, giants Live
see Big Tommy and me do thebusiness.
Hopefully, we'll get a newworld record as well, which will
be awesome.

(01:59:29):
And keep being spicy.
Keep being spicy keep beingspicy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
On that note, this is Flex, this is Rock and this is
the Stoughton Brothers, theworld's strongest brothers.
We are out.

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