417: WWE Royal Rumble '05 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up everyone out there on the Internet land, and
welcome to episode four seventeen of the Straight Shooters, available wherever.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Podcasts are found.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
My name is Vaughan Johnson, and I'm joined as always
by my main man Pots and Pans, Nick Pocona Fox,
PHL the Gambler and Philly Influencer, and we have yet
another fantastic show ahead of us here on four seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It is a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
The very first of twenty twenty five bars. We're diving
deep into the two thousand and five bars Royal Rumble.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
And it is a doozy.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
But before we dive deep into it, talk all about
the two thousand and five Royal Rumble. Nick, I gotta
do my weekly check it. How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
My good brother.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Behind hurts old that goes to parklay up.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
The middle, my baby Meryl, Oh he still got.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
It seven yards shut out of a cannon.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Shout out to mister quick too.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Against I was about to say say.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Almost said it not Kurt Warner. I want to Los
Angeles Ra.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Angeles rams and will we get an encore this weekend?
You damn straight, we will. I got my Apple Cider
and Crown Royal sitting right here. I got cold weather,
we got snow coming. We got the Eagles in the
NFC Divisional playoff game at the Link. We got a
e W dynamit. We got Royal Rumble two thousand and five. Man,

(02:04):
one of my favorite rumbles ever. Can't wait to dive
into that. Yeah, man, I'm hyped. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
We are expecting snow here on Sunday. Right. I think
I saw that is well, I.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Don't even know how much, but I just know that
people are talking about it, so it must be true.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, that's how it works.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's not always works, but yes, the Eagles are coming
off a playoff win, so uh, you know that's fun
and we got you know, obviously, that's what the town
is talking about, you know, the Eagles. So, like we
said last week, if you are working in a sports
journalism in this town, you are busy. So shout out
to you all, because yeah, it's it's a lot, and

(02:44):
it's here.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
We here we go again through this journey. Potentially we'll
see how long it lasts.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Excellence right here from Murphy right here.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You got a copy you actually bought a copy of
Inner Excellence.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It was seventeen bucks not bad.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's like a number one best seller right now, all
thanks to A. J.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Brown Pages. Yeah, he's not the only athlete it's helped.
So it's pretty cool to apparently read the beginning and
kind of dive into it eventually.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Jim Murphy a picture too in major League baseball.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
He was amization but I don't think he Oh he
wasn't the majors.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Okay, okay, but he was definitely a picture though in baseball,
not in major leagues.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
But but yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I do not have my copy of Intern Excellence. Maybe
I need to get one because it's the hottest book
on the streets in Philly.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Copy of Jet Black there you go.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Fear of a Black Planet on also available right next
to Inter Excellence. You can get Jet Black so months
right on display right there so.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
To Yes, yes, you gotta get the the pen name.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right for sure. But let's talk about some current day
nonsense real quick. Outside of Eagles playoff victories. It's not nonsensical.
That's good stuff, good for the media here because we
make money when teams win.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
People think we thrive off.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Negativity is like, actually winning usually helps the teams win.
We usually it helps us too, and then losing usually
doesn't help. So you can, as any media members in this,
I'm not lying.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I don't I don't get to post my right.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Nobody wants to see the radio calls when they lose.
Nobody wants to hear sad.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Maryland's Samaryl Reese.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Come on now, it's precious. You can't you can't have
him sad. You can't put that out there for the world.
But when Meryl's happy, post away, Nick.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know what I'm saying. People like good news generally,
they don't want to see the team's not six but
current day nonsense. In pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
There's a lot of drama going on in WWE n XT,
and not amongst the wrestlers. Well, I guess one bit
of drama. You can talk about Jada Parker and her
social media activity.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's trauma right there.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's breaking news.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, that's unfortunate stuff there. Shout out to you know,
everybody in the LGBTQ plus community. But Corey Graves got
some drama going on with him as well as as
part of the announcer shakeup of sorts they had where

(05:38):
they put Pat McAfee and Michael Cole on Raw and
switched Joe Tessitur Wade.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Bart and I thought Corey Graves is going with them
to smack down. However, that is apparently not the case.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
He was on NXT last week and apparently not happy
about it, because I mean, he's been on pay per
views and Monday Night Raw for years and suddenly he's
on n XT.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Okay, But there's a lot of hearsay about whether it's
in work, whether it's whether.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
It's a shoot, just a lot of stuff going on
either way, Penlin Court Graves is not on NXT.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Uh this week.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I did not watch, better tune in, but he wasn't there,
and he.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Wasn't there, so you better tune in because I ain't
gonna be there, right.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I guess that's that's what he was doing there. But yeah,
we're stuff going on there.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Was he going into business for himself?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I just if it's a work to what end?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Right? There's already reports that they're not building towards the
Graves McAfee match. We had heard before that Corey Graves
was cleared to wrestle. I remember hearing that a while
back and everyone was like, Oh, this is the angle
that's going to get him back in the ring, but
apparently there's now reports that that is not the case,
that this is quote unquote real. So it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
It is interesting.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I did find a decision to have Corey Graves on
NXT to be odd. So if Corey Graves really is
upset about it or really is like confused about it,
I'd understand because he's been one of the a's been
on the A team announcing team for he feels like years,
like he's been one of the top announcers. Obviously, Pat

(07:26):
McAfee is a more of a mainstream name now, so
I understand the decision to put him and Michael Cole
on RAW. Michael Cole is your top announcer and Pat
McAfee is your most known, one of your most known
you know names on the roster. So period wrestler or announcer,
Pat McAfee is one of the more famous people on

(07:46):
the roster, right, so understandable that Netflix said, hey, we
want him on the show instead of the other guy
with the suits, Like he's cool, but Pat McAfee is.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
A bigger name.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, So Corey Graves goes to SmackDown and make a
three man booth, which I'm not a fan of three
man booths, but I feel like Wade Barred and Corey
Graves are worthy of being on SmackDown calling a main
roster show. Apparently they chose Wade Bird over Corey Graves.
Least that's what we're seeing here, which is a surprise

(08:17):
decision for me.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So we'll see. It's still a lot of I guess,
unanswered questions surrounding this.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, I'd like to see if I can somehow
make it work. But because I mean, you could tell
there's even like videos or like Corey Graves was pissed
when he was in NXC, and there's like him coming
out and just the reaction he had on Scream last week.
So uh, I guess fit patting him on the back

(08:48):
and he's just not even doesn't look like he cared much.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So we'll see, well, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
We'll see again, we don't know if this is real
or not, so we'll just be reacting right along with
you when we when things start to crystallize. But as
of right now, what we know is that Corey Graves
is not on Raw, is not on SmackDown, and he
was on NXT last week, not on NXT this week,
so that's what we actually.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Know for sure.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Was his television appearances and non appearances in the last
two weeks, so but I guess we're keeping eye on
that as we move along here. Speaking of Raw, though,
Pat McAfee and Michael Cole they called a the second
episode of Raw on Netflix this past week, and a
lot happened, including the debut of Penta. When he debuted

(09:43):
and the magic against Chad Gable got a big entrance
and I think for the most part, got a good
reaction too from the fans in San Jose. But speaking
of the fans of San Jose, I forgot since we
were talking about the Eagles, I forgot to mention this
not Eagles slow segment there. Quinnon Minchell tried a pedigree

(10:03):
on Cooper de jen after he got his first career interception,
So congratulations to Quinon Minchell forgetting his first pick. But
he decided to celebrate with the wrestling move and he
tried to pedigree and as you know, wrestling fans know,
you gotta get the timing down or else people can
get hurt. And Cooper de Gene went down too fast
and Queeny Mitchell fell on top.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Of him, he could have got hurt.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
There was kind of like a for me, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Could somebody could have got hurt.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Don't try this at home, like Triple H said on
on X, don't try this at home. And we know, Nick,
you know what I'm talking about. We know that pedigrees
can be dangerous.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Okay, I absolutely know that.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
We're not going to go into details about what we
were talking about because we can't right now.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
But just know the first thing I thought of, by
the way.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Pedigrees can be dangerous, okay.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
And there's people out there out there who was there
to see this, No, just talking just a pedgree we've
seen with our own two eyes in person and things
went bad. Okay, but uh, and neither one of us
was involved in it, just so everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Knows there's other people.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
But yeah, Queenya Mitchell tried the pedigree. He did not succeed,
and they showed it on raw and Pat McAfee was
breaking it down with the telestrat or called the pagistrator,
which is terrible. I just call it the telestrator and
he's breaking it down or whatever. So as he's breaking
it down, they put it up on the big screen,

(11:36):
because you know WW would do that.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
They don't care what city.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
They're They're gonna put it up on a big screen regardless,
not knowing that they're in San Jose, which is not
far from Santa Clara, which is where the San Francisco
forty nine Ers play, So naturally there's a lot of
forty nine Ers fans in San Jose. I think Bailey
is from San Jose and is a forty nine Ers fan,
So just so, just so you know, there's a lot

(12:01):
of forty nine Ers fans san Jose. And they saw
the Eagles up on the screen and it was.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like boom screen all we got boot as loud as
Hogan did last week. Not quite not quite, but that
was kind of entertaining.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
But but yes, Pinta or Raw in San Jose going
against Chad Gable. Any thoughts about Pinta and his debut
and the presentation, give me your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I mean, I'm picked seemingly a dream come true for him.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It seemed like the way he was talking.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, the presentation was fantastic. A match was okay, but
you know, he's gotta get used to that ring man.
They hit those ropes didn't seem to do him any
favors on a couple couple moves, but you know, once
he gets the feel of that ring, because we know,
we know that ring is like the different ring. Like

(12:54):
every other wrestling ring seems to be similar to ae W's.
I feel like and well like the cable type ropes
and stuff like that, but W's ropes have always been
very very uh you know, flinging. I guess I don't
know they use real ropes.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean, I don't know what the consistency is, but
like you said, other wrestling promotions use cable instead of ropes.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
You know, you always call it the ropes, the top
rope or whatever, but some places use cable.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
WWE, apparently, as far as far as we know, has
always used ropes, actual rope. So and apparently it's different
for wrestlers, you know, bouncing off of them. And I
think I'm pretty sure their rings are also bigger. Yeah,
so that might be an extra step or two you

(13:42):
gotta take to get to the rope, so that can
maybe mess up your timing a little bit or something.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I feel like a W's might be similar size, but
like I remember, W definitely smaller. Pat is definitely smaller.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, I honestly I think ww's me not wwse Aw's looks.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Pretty close to w w's.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Honestly, I think the only difference is the turn buckles
are closer to each other. There's like that extra few
inches from the bring posts to where the turn buckles
start the W's. Theirs is like a little bit short.
Well they have the l ed now, but it's definitely
a little bit shorter.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well either way, Pensa, you know, the match is good.
I thought the matches good, the fans.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Are into it.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Uh, the near files were good.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
They let Chad Gable get as much offense in as
he did. I figured would be a little.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
More of it, like a quicker victory, but not to
say it was that's a terrible thing. I mean, this
is first night, and I guess you don't want to
make Chad Gable look like a complete chump, so he's
got to get some offense in. But apparently didn't this
I think I saw a report that they the timing
of the show got.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Messed up because of Pensa Or is that.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
That's just weird even if it's like you're on Netflix,
what is I thought we I thought we were told
this wouldn't happen. You know.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
They also ended the show at ten thirty, which was hooray.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I was so confused because I was looking. I was
doing something on my computer and I heard like Damian
Priest won. Okay, spoiler alert, he won. He beat for
thea Belor and I was just like okay, like I'll
wait for the next segment or whatever. And I'm doing
work and then I just hear this sound like kind
of stop. And I look over and it's the landing
screen for like RAW or something, and I'm like wait.
I was like, oh, my TV got messed up. Let

(15:29):
me log back in, and then like restarted and I'm
like what. So then I went on Twitter and I
saw that oh rall, I ended it, you know, ten thirty,
and I was like, oh crap. I had no idea
that that was right.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
And I'm like, oh, oh, it's the show's over. It's
only ten thirty, okay, cool, Like I'm happy, like real,
I don't know what the timing. I don't know right
at any time. I don't know if it's like, you know,
the timing went off or whatnot. You know, we don't
know anything about that, but whatever they did, I'm fine

(16:01):
with exactly whatever happened that had to show.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
In at ten thirty. I feel like I sound so old.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Like ended early, but like, honestly, bro like, we don't
need to be up to eleven pm watching raw every
single week.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know they should start early, so they should started
like seven thirty one time.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I feel like football is the same way people are
up to eleven o'clock watching football every Monday night.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah it's tough, man.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
You know, it's like I gotta get up and go
to work. But I'm not I'm not mad at what
WW did.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Maybe some wrestlers were.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I don't know if that reports those reports are true,
but I don't care. Ten thirty was a great time,
two and a half hours. It was like a good time.
I feel like a happy medium to me.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Maybe you don't want to do to just commercials too.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Right, Maybe maybe you don't want to do just too
Maybe that's a little limiting, but two and a half,
I feel like you should be.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Able to get everything in two and a half.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I'm cool with that, and tell your stories.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, your matches.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Speaking of matches, we had a historic match on Monday
that was one that crowned the first ever women's Intercontinental champion,
and that is Lera Valkyria.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Do you have any thoughts on.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I was surprised, but I thought the Kodo was a
shoe win to win that, but apparently not.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Apparently not.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I would have I could have made a case for Dakoda,
but I'm not surprised if they went with Lera Vakiri.
I think with both championships, the US and the Icy Championship,
I feel like they really wanted to like make a
new name, and I thought they were gonna go with
a more familiar name with the US title, with maybe
with like a Bailey or Naomi. But they went with

(17:41):
Chelsea Green, and they're gonna have her, and I think
me and am gonna have a rematch or did they
already have their rematch?

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I think they will because I think, Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
So they're running that back with them. They're putting them
in prom positions in a good spot. They getting TV time,
and Chelsea Green is getting her time for really her
first real push that I can really recall for her
on the main roster, at least a serious one. And
then now Lear Valkieria, who they haven't really had done
a ton with hang on the main roster, so I

(18:14):
guess they're like, hey, look all right, we gotta do something.
Here's the title, and we believe in you, and now
let's get this thing going. So they're really trying. I
think Chelsea Green is connected beer Vikaria. Not quite yet.
Maybe she'll get there, but I thought the coda Kai
honestly has. I thought she did connect with people. I

(18:34):
thought people were getting behind her on TV.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
But I like it.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
We were Lera, So we'll see what happened before. But
congrats to her, and hey, a women's Intercontinental champion. You
got two three hour shows. You're gonna need to fill
some time. And I feel like a good way to
do that and utilize more of the women to give
them another title and have the Mike Car titles in
each show and they don't all have to chase the
World championship or even the tag titles, which I don't

(19:02):
know they're still around, so they I guess they have
to invest in some way, shape or form. They don't
have two sets though, like I said, on these brand,
they only have one. I wonder if they're gonna change
that at some point. But having mid card titles and
getting them in more singles, matches and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I think that's I think that's a positive. So we'll
see what happens there.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
While Corey Graves, we don't know what is up in
him as far as like his status in WW and
what's going on. Somebody might be on their way back
to WWE leaving a W and that is like high
black m hmmmm, it's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
What has he done in a W. I don't need.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Nothing, nothing. I mean, they won the trios titles, they
had the House.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Of Black when.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Look, it happened. I know it happened, like it sounds
like I'm lying to you. Definitely happened. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I can't tell you specifically when I didn't say they
were particularly memorable title reigns.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm just saying that it happened.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, I WW didn't do great with Alistair, Black, Malachop, Black,
Tommy End, whatever you want to call him. They didn't
do great with him neither, at least you know, once
he got to the main roster. Once he got to
the main roster, obviously, and that happened not just for
him before a lot of people obviously things didn't go
well when he's inn NXT. I thought we were joking
about it on the podcast. Oh, he's going to be

(20:28):
in the main event of WrestleMania. I think we might
have set forty. I think we might have set forty obviously,
not knowing that.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
That show would be in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
We're just throwing out a random number in the future
and we were like, oh, yeah, WrestleMania forty the Rock
versus Alistair Black or something like that, because we just
assumed he was destined for that.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Spot at some point, and obviously it didn't work out
in WWE. Then he goes a w and they don't
do a whole lot else with him, using trios matches lot.
I don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
So if he's on his way back to WWE, I
guess he's he's banking on Triple H in his creative vision,
in his team, you know, handling his character with better
care than Vince McMahon, and I guess Tony Kahn ever did.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I don't think it's a bad bet when you when
the guy that was in charge of you at NXT,
where you really like connected with the audience, is now
in charge of like the main shows. So that's probably
enticing for anyone that was in that position before. So
I wanted to surprise me. I think they already started
pivoting with like a Cope, right, he had the promo backstage.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
We haven't talked about that name. O God, about that name.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
We don't even know why. I said. I was about
to say Edge because because my mind, but.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's a better name. Cope is a terrible name. Even
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I don't want to, Yeah, I don't. I don't want
to distract you. I don't want to create another.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
But like he had a promo backstage with you know,
so I think there who knows is he gotta lead
in another Judgment Day type group in aw we'll see.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
But yeah, it's just.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
It, Yeah, Malachi, I think I guess all sides are
pointed him that he's like definitely leaving.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I guess, And I guess, you know, like you said,
it's like, it's not a bad bet to bet on
the guy who booked you the best probably in your
in his entire career. Like, yeah, I think before you
got the next day's on the indies, So the presentation
wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Obviously they didn't have the money.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
So for as far as presentation and booking, he's never
been booked better. He's never been presented better than Alistair
Black in the n XT. And I think we all
can agree.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Like he was cool, he was dope.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
So yeah, but that don't mean that it's like it's
guaranteed to work out this time neither. Like I don't
think Andrada is like setting the world on fire SmackDown
right now. Granted, I think he's still he's being I
think still being utilized in a good way.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Like he's on TV.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
He's winning some matches, losing some matches, helping people get
over involved in some stories.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
He's active.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know, that's better than sitting home doing nothing, which
is sometimes what happens when you get to aw you
on TV for a little bit and then it just
like you just disappear.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
And then they come back for like two weeks or
let me disappear again, disappear? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
And there's no vision.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
It seems like there's just no vision for you for
you move forward. I guess maybe that's it seems like
that's the case in WW. It seems like they kind
of lay out a vision for people and people go okay,
And even if it's like it means them losing, you know,
it means them maybe getting somebody else over.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I guess maybe.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
The actual plan that's being laid out, maybe that's just
a step up from like week to week.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Not no, what the hell's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I guess it's better to at least know and like,
I have a role and I'm going to fulfill it
and it could be my turn and in a couple
of months like type deal.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Again, we're not backstage, but that's just what I.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Glean from it. This is my opinion. But we'll see.
We'll see what happens if he even goes back to
w W to begin with. But if he does, I
don't know, Baby, he could.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
They spend some money some but yeah, but I don't
think it necessarily guarantees success. I think he's capable of
being a main eventor for sure. The thing is now
it's more crowded than ever at the top of the
car though.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, it's so funny. We talked for years about them
creating stars, and it's like, oh, now they're almost like
too many stars, so many even though they have what
eight hours of TV each week and stuff like that
is like, okay, well they're given the they are given
the top stars the time. But and it's not just

(25:09):
to give others time too.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
It's not just the top stars, it's people that's been
in that position for a while, like at He's not
like they've been featured for a while. So people have
invested in people somebody these guys for multiple years now,
like jay Usso part of the reason why it's so overuse.
He's been a fixture on TV and people have invested
in multiple years of his his story.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Same for like Sammy's ay, same for a lot of
the babies.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Speaking of j Us, I remember the last week said
he hold a world title in twenty twenty five and
his first match is going to be a world title
match or one of his first matches world title matches
Saturday nights. Man, man, how about that?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yep, man, he's not going to win.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
But hey, listen, they would give the world heavyweight titles
some juice. I will say that it can.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Use some juice. Where the hell's gunthro been?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Like, at least tell us if he's heard or something.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
But we're doing roll this week. I don't he did
a prom with Jay but okay, that's true. I forgot
about that.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Was it was. He wasn't even at the arena last week.
I don't even think he made an appearance inside the arena.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
So interesting stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Lastly, in the current day nonsense, Kenny Omega is back.
We didn't get a chance to talk about this last
week because we kind of just jumped right into the
raw review. But Kenny Omega was at Russell Kingdom against
Gabe Kid and looked like Kenney Omega again, which.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Is, yes, a tremendous thing.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'm sure that's tremendous for AW as well, because I'm
sure they're happy to see Kenny Omega.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Not just back, but back to it looks like his
old self again.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
But it's just fun to see the big bout machine
doing big bouts man like.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
That's got me to love New Japan, right.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's seeing, at least partially was you know, the case,
was seeing Kenny Omega and somebody else, whether it's Okada
or whoever. A lot of times you can put a
lot of people on that ring and just go out
there and put on classics, and I think that energy
is what AW kind of needs, right, now and hopefully

(27:11):
Kenny Omega can provide that. And we're you know, we're
watching aw right now as we record this, and they
got some good stuff. Man, they got this smaller venue,
which I'm I'm happy to see. I think it makes
the show looks so much better when you can light
up the whole venue instead of half of it.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
So yeah, I have to announcer the other side of
the hardcam, which is a cool visual. See that kind
of offsets the LED crap. We love that.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's a unique little set up there.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Like, just get rid of the white ropes, man, oh boy,
or the cables. You don't need to you don't need
to copy every single thing esthetically.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Those cables.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
All right, enough of this current day nonsense. Are you
ready to dive deep into the two thousand and five
Royal Rumble?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Oh? Hell yeah, let's rock and roll.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Over seventeen years it has been a cornerstone of the WWE,
A wonderful kind event, unchanged yet unpredictable. It has delivered
some of the most memorable moments in Wesley history. And

(28:46):
so tonight the legazine.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Continuous and now rong and SmackDown Present.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Royal couldn't find a sponsor for that one.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's crazy. You had to come back and cook them
like that.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Couldn't find a sponsor, no money, no sponsorship money for
this one.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Whatever they would do like raw presents or spackwns. I
was like, Oh, I guess they couldn't find a sponsor.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
And that's why Vince got tired of that, and it
was like PG yeah, true, you can't just not get
a sponsor for these shows. These shows are expensive. We
need somebody to help pay for him.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Who's gonna sponsor Great Balls of Fire?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I feel like they got a sponsor for that one, right,
I think they did. They had to have.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
That was like, that was well into the pg H,
but nobody's want to sponsor. I don't know War in
two thousand and five. There's no telling they were doing
on TV in two thousand and five that could have
scared away sponsors.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
There's no telling. But here we are.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
The Royer Rumble in two thousand and five is the
eighteenth annual Royal Rumble and it took place on January
thirty of two thousand and five, which is to this
point the latest war rumble ever?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Did you know that?

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Now?

Speaker 3 (30:29):
The latest for what?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
As far as date happened January thirtieth to this.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Point, this was the late thirty first Well.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
That did happen eventually in twenty ten it was held
on January thirty first, so that is by default the
latest ever Royal Rumble in January, at least because there
are no more days in January, and then you can't
give past.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Thirty one of them.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
However, they have held the show on the thirty first
one since now was in twenty twenty one, so you
got two war Rumbles on January thirty first, But just this.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Year sixers made it a one point game.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
That's unbelievable. I'm sorry, pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
But this year the war Rumble will be on February first,
so that will be the latest war rumble in history.
Twenty twenty five in Indianapolis on February first, Uh next
year though, it's January.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Back in January, but in Saudi Arabia. That's interesting. How
about that?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Saudi Arabia is probably gonna get a WrestleMania at some point.
Just I'm not saying it's going to happen. Don't be
surprised if it does happen.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, I mean, it could be part of the deal
from twenty eighteen, Like, you know, you'll get what was
the greatest Royer of rumble all about?

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't know, hope, but that was that's just a
chap that we can just move past another. So I
feel like this isn't the greatest Warred rumble. This is
the war rumble we're talking about here. That that was
some offshoot type stuff. This is the real deal, which
is like, Okay, that's a step and the obviously the
next obvious step would be a WrestleMania and.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Just again, don't be surprised if it happens. They're a
lot of invested with Saudi Arabia for better and.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Force WWE experience.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, what's that that's at their Hall of Fame like
brick and mortar.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Type dealems like it. Sixers tied the game going in
the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
It.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Whether you like it or not, they are in clearer
hoots with Saudi Arabia, so the you know what I'm
talking about, WWE, So that's gonna happen. But this particular
show in two thousand and five took place in Fresno, California,
not Saudi Arabia. The different side of the world. Obviously,

(32:56):
it was at the Save March Center on the campus
of Fresno State University to be.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Exact, Save mart Center.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, it's home to their basketball teams at Fresnel State.
Their men's team right now not good, four and thirteen
in conference, not good and Owen No. Four and thirteen overall,
owen six in conference. So sorry I read the record wrong,
but the women's team is doing better. They're eleven and six.
Nice and on the two game winnes Street they're playing

(33:25):
tonight as we record this. Good luck, Lady Bulldogs. I
don't know if the Lady Bulldogs there, probably just the Bulldogs.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Fresnel State women's basketball.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Team, but according to good old Wikipedia, the attendance on
this night was twelve thousand on the dots even.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Not a person more or less, not a or less.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Uh So, where are we in two thousand and five
my notes I put simply in transition.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, but it was I was. I was excited
during this era. I was. I was Batista guy, you know,
from the time after they did the Orton turn or whatever,
and I was so kind of bored with that. I

(34:18):
was mad. I was, you know what, I was at
a period of transition in my life in this time
because the Summer of four I had not really watched
as much I was. It was really like a period
of my life that kind of made me who I
am today in a way, just busting out my you

(34:42):
know shell, kind of like I was a shy, timid,
you know, kid grown up and the Summer of four
was my U breakout. So it wasn't until like the
end of four that I kind of like got back
into watching uh you know weekly And you know, I
thought John Cena was lame and it was really funny.

(35:06):
I was not a scene guy, but I was all
batist it up. So like I was hype going into
this time, Like I was like, this is the new
w W. That's good.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
We're all Batista up. I was, that's crazy, Ah, Batista up.
I've never heard that before.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Just you know, elimination Chamber where he's like one of
the last three in Triple h uh, you know, planning
all these seeds that Triple H has just taking advantage
of him. I'm like, oh, and he he'd better turn.
He better turned. And at that point we thought, like
let us down so much with like you know, yeah,
they gave Crispin while the title the previous you know year,

(35:48):
and we're all excited about that, but then took it
away at SummerSlam, so we're like, oh, Triple H is
just always got to rule everything. And when Batista came,
it's like, man, you need to have him beat Triple Ah.
We were just not sure it was going to happen.
Man the Privacy Series O four, the way that happened,
like the winning team became general manager of Raw for

(36:11):
a week and that whole like a few months. I
was so like anti Triple H. It was ridiculous. I
was like, I'm never gonna watch again. Like he won
the title again and he just to add to his
ta pat his stats almost like they did the ending
on Raw where it was like a double pin or whatever,

(36:33):
and then they did the elimination chamber where he gets
another world title reigned, and I'm like, oh, what did
ego maniac? So yeah, man, Patista was like it was
like my last hurrah. Like if if Triple H was
going to retain the title of WrestleMania, I was outs
was my last hope.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Fatista saved you from no longer being a wrestling fan. Batista,
I did not expect that on this show. I did
not expect to say that, like Batista saved your wrestling
life pretty much like he wouldn't be doing this podcast today.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
If it was Dave Fatista exactly. Shout out to Big Dave.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Story stupid, I'm watching this.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
We wouldn't be doing the podcast period. If you would
have stopped watching wrestling, it just would have never started.
So again thanks to Big Dave Fatista. But speaking of
Big Dave again, we're in transition.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
WWE in two thousand and five is still very much.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
A thriving business, you know, no doubt, but it's clearly
taking a step back from his heyday of the famed
attitude there of the late nineties until you know, two
thousand and one. This is partially because ww lost their
top two stars of that generation, Steve Dawson and The Rock,
one due to retirement.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
And the other due to a burthening career in Hollywood.
But that meant w W had to.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Go searching for their next top stars, fresh faces that
were carry the company for the next decade plus. Of
the many potential candidates, the company clearly had his eyes
on two people in particular Batista, as we mentioned, are
already shout out to Big Dave for saving the straight
Shooters and Nick's love of wrestling and John Cena, both Ohio,

(38:19):
both Ohio Valley Wrestling graduates, and both clearly on the
trajectory straight to the top of the card. But only
one person could win the World Rumble, which means only
one canmain event WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
So who does the company choose? Is both an option?

Speaker 1 (38:40):
The bigger question will Vince McMahon's squads be able to
handle the weight of the pressure associated with making such
a monumental decision? Spoiler no, The answer is no, But
let's find out together as we deep dive into the

(39:04):
two thousand and five Royal Rumble.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Let's dive deep into the show.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
First thing is, of course, let's reminder a center reminder
that we have a format, a new format that's new wish.
I guess we've been doing it for a while now,
but I feel like I should explain it every time.
And now we're going to break down top match or
best match, favorite wrestling non wrestling moment, your worst match,

(39:32):
your worst non wrestling moment, you're hidden gems either in
the ring or out of the ring, and your random thoughts.
But because this is the World Rumble and you can't
really talk about the word rumble without mentioning the Royal Rumble,
We've created a new section. We've done this also in
the past where we just talk about the main event first,
because sometimes with some particular shows it's like, well, you

(39:55):
can't kind of talk about the show without talking about
the main event. Okay, that's kind of why we're here,
and the War Rumble from two thousand and five it
fits that case for me at least now for Nick
not sure, but for me because I'm not putting this
War Rumble match as my favorite match because there's too

(40:15):
much stuff happened and we'll talk about it, and I'm
not making the War Rumble at Hitting Gym or the
worst match. So I'm like, well, we got to talk
about it because it's why we're here, but it doesn't
fit into this other category. So I'm just going to
talk about it off top. But this is your favorite
match for the show, right Nick?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
It is because of all the crazy things that happened
during it.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Okay, well, let's start off with just the fact that
we hear this thro warer Rumble. We got thirty superstars
obviously you go over the top run Stars one Prize,
WrestleMania main event. Throughout the show, we get these different
backstage segments which were kind of funny in hindsight, but

(41:00):
when I'm watching it, it's just like, there's so many
backstage segments that is kind of annoying me as I'm
watching it back this time, but as when I was
watching it the first time I watched it, I was like, oh,
that's pretty funny. But all these backstage segments, segments in
the GM office where people are trying to get their
number for the or rumble. At one point, Eddie Garrell
steals Ric Flair's number. He pickpockets them, clearly pickpocketed them.

(41:24):
It wasn't even this is I'm gonna talk about this
again later, but Rick Flair steals a number.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
And there's other segments going on in this GM office
where people are getting their numbers. But at the end
of the day we hear it's the word rumble and
out first is Eddie Guerrero. He eventually, you know, gave
Rick Flair his actual number back and his wallet. But
our first is Crispin wah Ol first Eddie Guerrero and

(41:52):
followed up by Crispin Wah, which when I was watching
this with my wife, She's like, wow, this is quite
the opening to this match. This is a lot already,
and I was like, yep, you are correct, but it
gets it. There's more because our next is Daniel Pewter.
He immediately gets his ass whooped.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
By Eddie Guerrero and Crispin Wah ruthlessly just to it.
Just them too destroy this man.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
And for those who don't know, Daniel Peter was tough
enough contestant, former MMA fighter who kind of rubbed.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Some people the wrong way backstage? Is that fair to say?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Apparently, especially turn angle.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Right, and people took offense and they took it out
on him in this.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Match, which is funny if it was leading to something better,
but it didn't, so I kind of look at it
is not as funny.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Not as funny anymore, right, but it happened because outcomes
hardcore Holly Too at number four and he just continues
the beating.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
If you're watching nineteen ninety five, could you imagine Thurman's
Sparky Plug doing this to another talent?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I mean Thurman Sparky Plug being that jacked up too,
That's true. He changed over the years.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
What happened to him a bit? Quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Sheesh boy looks like the incredible Hawk of day, Herman
Sparky playing on NASCAR driver looking like that, you'd be
too heavy.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
For the car.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
He gonna make that car move fast, canna, you.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Know, dragging the weight down they muscles like. He had
to retire from race car driving because he.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Was working out too much.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
The announcers, by the way, had to remind the audience
that the wrestlers, you know, the three veterans who are
beating the daylights out of Daniel Peter, they're not on
the same team like this.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
This is every man for himself, just so y'all know. Uh,
it was that bad. And then they finally merc.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Fleet eliminated Daniel Peter. As a hurricane was entering, Harkhal
got eliminated. He was really only in the match just
so he could beat up Daniel.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Peter again the first spot. I thought it was well
done for what it was supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I guess man. At some point Kenzo Suzuki comes out.
I remember Kenzo.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Suzuki did bright We talk about one of the bigger
disappointments for me as a child when I see all
these vignettes for Kenzo Suzuki and I'm like, yo, he's
going to be the new tough.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Guy in town.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Right the way they made it seem that Kenzo Suzuki
is going to be the roughest, toughest guy ever in
WW like, I was like, I was already scared of him,
and then granted I'm a child, I'm like, this guy
must be the truth.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Like I'm already like on alert, like this guy is
gonna be everybody up. And then they debuted him like.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's Kenzo Suzuki just like and then he rustled those
like that that's what we got.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
It was so unimpressive, bro, I'm.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Sorry, even though it was hello obviously hello racist, let's
let's also talk about that because didn't.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You have like a Geisha girl with him too? Was
that somebody else?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
I think so? And but at this point he was
apparently after Torri Wilson. TAZ had mentioned on commentary, which
makes me think, did they just put him in like
the Tajery spot they had because Tajerry had his thing
with Tory Wilson. They just recycling things because it would

(45:33):
make sense with vincerel Man doing that.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
It's just wild.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
But yeah, I just I don't remember anything about Kenzo's
Azuki's run. Those vignets are like, Wow, he's gonna come
in and like whoop everybody, and then it was like
that this is this is what you've done, and then
that's what I think.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
That's I think kenzos Azuki was the first time.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I realized, man Vince is not good. Some of his ideas,
like not all of his ideas hit. I think it's
the first time I was like, oh, that was swinging
a miss bro like and it was obvious and obviously
about two thousand and five, I was in high school,
so like, I guess I was able to recognize these
creative failures more than what I would have been like
five years prior. I'm sure there's somebody else that had

(46:19):
a just as an uneventful run as Kenzo Suzuki, but
I just didn't.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Care when I was ten. But when I was fifteen,
I'm like, what what what was this?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I feel like my time was wasted, And I guess
I wasted everybody's time talking that much about Kim Jenson Zuki.
But eventually we get some big names, we get Edge
Raymon Sterio Shelton, Benjamin Book and t I mean, even
Eric Bischoffer, Tegni Long comeing out to cheer for their stars,
their respective stars.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
You know what I'm saying. They're coming out. Chris Jericho
comes out, Luther rains not Roman reigns.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
And then Brother I guess uh, and then Brandon Warfare
breaks out, just like the poster said. You know, remember
that we'll talk about Well, I didn't talk about the poster,
I guess too much. I didn't talk about the actual
production things that I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
How did I forget about that? How did I forget
about that?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
We'll talk about that after this match, after ward. Bumble,
But here I am just messing it up. But Luther
Rance comes out, brand Warfare breaks out, and at unlucky
number thirteen.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Is Muhammad Hassan and I wrote down, sheesh, that's all. Wow.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah, I I remember thinking and justifying it back then
as well as a country, we're not like that, So
that's why he's the heel and little boy it was wrong?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Boy boy, were you wrong?

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I'm in my I'm still even though I broke out
of my comfort zone. You know. Summer of two thousand
and four, I was still in a quite a bit
of a shell, you know, where a bubble, if you will,
where I'm like, oh, well, our country is not like
that anymore. So young to be.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Young and naive, and also that's kind of what we're taught,
is that we're not like that.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Right, And then you see this is like great, That's
why I believed it. I was like, Okay, they're they're
building him because he's saying things that aren't true. And
that's how I took it was and that's I think
how they were trying to push it. Oh like maybe
that was their initial idea of the character, but nobody

(48:47):
took it that way except story.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Except the story they're trying to tell. Guys.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
The story they're trying to tell is that nobody's actually racist.
He's just mean and that's why everybody dislikes him.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And then even though.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
He's saying you are all racist, nobody's actually racist.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
He just sucks.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And it's like, but when you all beat up the
Muslim guy.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, he's just proven all right, kind of kind of
look back in this match, Muhammed a son comes out
and the entire rest of the field beat him up.
Been put to an end, right, no more.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
They unite to beat up Muhammad Asan literally take turns
beating him up, and then everybody picks him up, poist
him up, not as a hero, but to toss him
over the top. Rope xenophobia is running wild. Baby, man,
that's crazy, bro.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
You know Hawk was flexing somewhere.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
That's crazy, bro.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
That's that's wow. It was pretty blatant, like it wasn't
even like subtle. It's like everybody beat up the Muslim guy.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
It's like wow, and you hear like all the commentary.
Jim Ross is disgusted. He's like, we'll trade you, and
it's like no, no, no, we're good, like damn.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Crazy crazy, and I guess, in an attempt to get
his heat back, Hassan beats up Scotty too Haughty and
Scotty too Hotty never gets in the match.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Right, Oh yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
He never ever gotten the match. Scotty Tooty got paid
to get beat up and left laying.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Cats up his Eagles shirt off.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Bummer, that is a bummer she left it doing when
you take it off, I don't understand, uh, but yeah,
that Muhamma Hassan stuff was wow, and like you said,
the announcers of making it seem like it's a son's fault.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Like jr.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
A saying he showed no class and beating up Scotty too.
Houghty is like everybody just jumped just jumped him because
he was brown.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
That's what happened. They just jumped us. It just happened.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I I felt like, I feel like if I just
got jumped by like six seven people, I'm not gonna
be the most happy, go lucky guy.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
In the world, bro, especially with this guy dancing and
all happy, you know, right by me and.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Just got rolled on, bro, like what and not supposed
to be like caught me slipping. No, I'm mad, Bro,
I'm mad. They just jumped me seven people.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I have fighting for my life. I'm supposed to just
dust myself off and keep going. Yo.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
He didn't even start it, you know. They just jumped
him in the ring.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
He's there to compete like everybody else and try to
get earn his shot at WrestleMania in Hollywood, like everybody
else jumped.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
At some point we get a world Greatest tag team
in Union. Charlie Hodsentist the match, So that happened.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
That was fun. Uh, Simon Dean comes out. He doesn't exercises.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I was a low key, enjoyable part of role for
me during this time. I enjoyed it joining that character.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, be a little more low key about it.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
What it's like, y'all are fat, complete nonsense Simon system.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Oh man, this is your idea?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Look online, like, where can I get it?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
You're looking for the Simon system. Bruh.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
They should have actually sold something you that they would
have took your money.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
You could have easily.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Scammed young Nick pcon absolutely, but a Simon system.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I told you some powder my first credit card around
that time. Let's go all right.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
They would have told you some some type of protein
powder that would have did nothing for you.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
It would have tasted horrible.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
It was just flower, you know, just.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
You put it in the drink, drink and you spit
it right back out. Oh god, that's the worst. It
tastes like cement. So yeah, that would have been you.
Hbk comes out and Kurt Angle also comes out into
the ward rumble. But Kurt Angle doesn't last that long.
He comes out, beats a lot of people up and

(53:12):
didn't get eliminated.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
But Shawn Michaels.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
That was just a wild like the way he throws
himself over the rope, so it just cracks me up.
He's like, I gotta get over somehow. Let me just
flail and he gets, he gets over.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
He does, he does. He got over again at the
word rumble for sure. Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
And then he beat the brakes off of Shawn Michaels
for eliminating him, even hit him with the steps and
like with I think he busted them open and put
him in an ankle lock.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Good lord, And that's of course.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Why is he eliminated though Kurt was eliminated before and
now Sean's all eliminated because Kurt threw him over the top.
Come on, look, you know these look every year we
deal with this crap we're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Vince McMahon's w W with logic can just be the window, hey,
at any given time, logic, we don't need to hit
by that. That's just like like a recommendation.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
You know that In the entrances seem like really quick
during the rumble, like they were ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Some of them.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
I felt like some of them probably weren't. But you know,
like what do they call it Titan time exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
That would be bro.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
I was like that, feeling this fast I was watching before.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
But for for that though, I do understand sometimes you
got to get some people out there, Hury up, like
go get out there.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
We got to get off the air.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
So I do understand that a little bit like nobody
nobody's keeping track, nobody got to stop watch out there.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Well, we had seconds of twenty minute Randy Orton concussion
angle that you know, stretched out so long.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
So we're going to talk about that. Because Triple H
had to have the longest match in the show. Again,
guess who had to have them?

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Probably match?

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Right, he probably did.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
And it's like Hunter, there's thirty people on that match.
You can't have the longest match in the show tonight. Okay,
it's gonna be all right. It's just one show, okay,
Honey Russell for only twenty minutes this time, not.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Thirty, thank you. Uh.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Jonathan Coachman and Mark Jindrack are in the Rod Rumble
for some reason.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
You know, Mark Jindrack was in WW in two thousand
and five.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, I forgot that. No, I thought he was called.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Buddy same, no idea. He's in w W still uh,
Viscera and Paul London here as well.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Why wasn't vis Mabel decided? They should have just made
him Mabel?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
What's is this pre uh Pajamas Viscera, Big Love Machine Viscera.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, yeah, I believe so because I think it was
later this year. This wasn't a bench until five where
he did that thame with Liliam.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I don't remember bro and a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Honestly, I would like to block out of my brain
and be totally honest with you.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
That that stuff that with Viceitas.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
We look, we need to Babel.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Rest in peace. Rest in peace to to Nelson Fraser.
But like Ugh.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Man, his creative decisions, his creative decisions wasn't always the best.
John Cena comes out of twenty five with the spinner
Us title and the thug Anomics music bro he Sina
in early five.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Hated it then, but I watched this fact I was
like that dude, he was over Aura, Yes he did.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
It's crazy to say now because he's just obviously just
a white guy from suburban Massachusetts playing like the hip
hop er kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
So it's kind of ridiculous in hindsight. But at the
time he had the.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Juice bro it's crazy to say, you like, when you
watch this show. We watched his match back in particular,
not everybody gets the big pop. There's a lot of
guys who don't get popped, like obviously Coachman. Nobody didn't
care for Coachman or Mark jen DrAk or even Paul
London and Vista. It was respected to none of them.
And then's some other guys, you know Shelton, you know,

(57:10):
got Edge Ray, Mysterio, Book of t they're kind of
over and then yeah, Shelton, Benjamin wasn't quite over yet but.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
He was getting there. And there's some other names.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
But when Seena came out twenty five, it was like, oh,
it's like you can tell there's a different, like the
mood change in the building when Scena came out in
twenty five. And it's interesting to watch because obviously seeing
who is who he is now and now we're going
through his retirement tour, so we already know who he is,
but there's a long time we're seeing it would get
those mixed reactions, right, he gets like the respect reaction.

(57:39):
Now people are just like, hey, we tipped the cap
to you. You put it in your time, you put
it in work. We appreciate you. So people give him
that pop now, But for a long time it was
always mixed. And at this point in two thousand and five,
we weren't there yet.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Okay, dude, I didn't get it. I didn't know why
he was so poppuls Well, I was annoyed because I
was like old school wrestling angle with Evolution and Batista,
like the Ranny ort Terpleahs thing. I was like, that's
entertaining to me at that point, you know, five, I
didn't scene a character, was just not like I didn't
care about it. So I would get like mad because

(58:19):
I'm like, I hope I don't choose him over Batista,
which well.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
He did by the summer.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
By the summertime, when they put Sina on Raw, that's
when you knew they made the decision.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
But yeah, I think Sina because obviously he had the
hip hop culture going right. He was a rapper, he
put out an album and all that, And whether he
was the right guy for the role, I mean probably not, but.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
He did it.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
And I think because hip hop was becoming mainstream, or
probably about two thousand and five already mainstream. It's already
mainstream in two thousand and five, but I think it
was finally you know, it was for the first time
coming to the forefront of like the WWE.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I mean, obviously you had been on a mission and
we had other.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I guess, I don't want to say hip hop acts
in wrestling, but like there was some other hip hop acts,
like you know, Public Enemy had a hip hop song.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
It wasn't a lot though.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
And here's Sina who's also who's rapping and he's not horrible.
And then he wears the throwbacks, which is like in
fashion that was in vogue at the time. Bro, Like
he's warning throwbacks and stuff. So people liked that stuff.
He I guess he captured something at that time. And
because the crowd came alive when his music hit in

(59:36):
the World Rumble, the crowd came alive again when Paul
London looked like he died after he got eliminated by Snisky,
because that looks bad, but it was great and like
one of the best all time eliminations. Every time they show,
like the best eliminations of War Rumble history, Paul London
backflipping off of the ring. Apron is probably still number

(59:58):
one wild I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Don't understand how he didn't break his neck so man
like his Bodybullmenum literally saved him like an inch from
the floor where he finally flipped where Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
He's a great athlete that Paul LiveOn lease he was
back in two thousand and five. At twenty eight though,
comes but Tis stay your guy, your guy right, And
at number thirty is Rick Flair, which is interesting. But
eventually it comes down to John Cena and Batista, who
who are clearly Vince McMahon's two chosen favorites at this

(01:00:38):
time to be the next top stars in WW. They
fight it out, They go toe to toe and punch
each other in the face a bunch, and then they
eventually go flying over the top rope at the same
time and hit the floor at the same time, which
I watched this a million times. I'm like, if that
wasn't the same time, that was pretty damn close. That
was a good job by Batista John Cena.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
And for years I was convinced that it was planned,
no matter how many times people said no, that was
an accident. Like it just I was like, you can't
plan it a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Better, You can't plan it any.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
But I and I was like, if it was not planned,
why want Batista just hold onto the ropes and like,
I'm I'm I watched this particular elimination ever wound it,
you know, ten times. I don't think there was a
time where he could reach for the ropes. I think
he probably would sew off balance, seen his foot kind

(01:01:36):
of got caught in the rope to mess it up
the timing, and he didn't have a chance to reach
for the ropes. So he like, it was actually like
quicker than I had thought it was. So now I
love the opinion that probably was legit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
It just seemed it did feel weird though, because they
the referees raised each guy's hand he had the wrong.
Refs raised Batista's hand SmackDown, refs raised seeing in his
hand because that's their respective shows, So we have controversy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
That's not like they waited to do that. They were
doing it pretty quickly, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's why I'm like, how does how is this? How
is this not a work? He's on the same page.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
You got to you got a gang of referees from
each show in the ring seeing the Batista are actually
going along with it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
And then they toss each other out of the ring,
which I feel like, how do you how do you
call that on the fly exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I don't know. Oh well look at that either way.
Vince McMahon comes out and he is pissed and he
stomps down to the ring all this bravado. He's yelling,
he's screaming, slams his jacket down in the aisleway and
he's like, you know what, I'm going to get in
this ring and he jumps to get in that ring

(01:02:49):
and oops towards squads.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
But no one notices this, like, no one knows this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I don't think Vince even knew it until Vince tried
to stand up and his legs turned into linguini. Okay,
legs turned into noodles, and he went tumbling back down
to the ground. He stood up, it's like whoa boom
hits the ground and he just sits there and then

(01:03:27):
there's like ten people in the ring looking down at
Vince and he's looking back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Them like what are y'all looking at?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
He didn't speak one word, and then you know, they
make the announcement like he didn't say anything. They know this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
That was That was definitely not planned what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
The site of Vince sitting down with his hands on
his hips yelling at people is the wildest thing I've
ever seen. He's a crazy person, Like, what how does it?
For one you tear not one but two?

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
But how did he do it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I think when his for one needs?

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
How can you tear quads? When if you bump into
something like a certain move or pivot that would aid
in that tear, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
You gotta understand something. Vince was already into his fifties
by this point, so he's an older gentleman, probably lookeding
way too many weights, like probably hitting the weight it's
way too hard, and probably lived in a lot of weights.
He's probably putting a lot of stress on his muscles
just because you know, like he's a far.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
As we know, he's a gym rat.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
So he's probably putting way too much, uh you know,
work and way too heavy of a workload of his body,
and it probably just gave out on him at the
time he's trying to get in the ring. Bro That's
so that's my that's my that's my hypothesis, my uneducated
hypothesis on that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
That's how it happened. It looks like his lady like
hit the apron as he was getting in like his
thigh muscle, like thigh area.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
So maybe because the camera cut away so fast, you
didn't really get a great look. Again, you didn't really
know until he didn't know until maybe he felt something.
But it's like, I'll just power through it, and I
guess he's running on adrenaline.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
So he just tries to stand up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
And he goes whoops, and everybody's just looking at him
for like, where was that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Like three minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
We were like just like looking back and forth, like
what what's happening right now?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Vince is sitting down Lake Spress, like sitting upright in
the hands on his hips, yelling at people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
But you didn't even sign these not that I can not
anything important because they just restart the match or guess
ring the bell, well he crawls away.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
The match should be restarted. It's like, okay, well, get
the twenty eight other guys out here. They flow the language,
which makes me think, okay, maybe it wasn't planned because
they would be like this match will continue, would be
what you would say, right, not it should be restarted,

(01:06:29):
because then everybody comes back out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
People were worried about Vince. Okay, Vince, even though he
wasn't showing it, was probably writhing in pain on the
inside because he towred squad, So he probably missed poke.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
You probably misspoke. He's probably like, oh, restart the match.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
On the inside, I'll get Addie and Chris out here, Pewter, everybody,
Mohammad Asan gets another chance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Oh boy, just to get jumped again, just to get
jumped in. But the match, I guess, quote unquote restarts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Vince crawls away, and Batista quickly Tossesesina over the top
rope and wins the word rumble.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
What a wild finish, which is anti but that makes
me think maybe it wasn't planned because that finish was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Like, it was abrupt, and as a big.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Batistic guy, I'm like, oh, that was lame because I
didn't want to repeat it the ninety four Rumble either,
So that's like what I was thinking of, and I
was like, Okay, they'll just be co winners.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
But there's no there's no thought that crossed your mind
even at this point that he's trying to repeat ninety
four in a sense because he's undecided and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Who he wants to be the guy, right, because it
feels like, but we didn't get any replays either.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Well, I'm sure that was intentional.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
You have too many replays now people can look back
and see, oh, maybe it wasn't. At the same time,
you don't give away replays like that. So yeah, I
feel like he was trying to run back the same
strategy did back in ninety fourth. It's like, well, I'm
kind of undecided, even though obviously both guys are gonna win.
World titles are WrestleMania, but who should win? I don't know,

(01:08:10):
you know, let's up the fans decide type deal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Maybe he was going for that again serious they raised
the hands up. They raised the hands up, each guy,
three or four referees raising the hands up. So that's
what it looked like to me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
But no, I mean, you're right, and that's how it
looked like to me for twenty years, where it's like, oh,
there's no way that was an accident. I don't know, man,
But now I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
What we do know, you know, actually know what it
is is a wild moment in Vince like man, and
it is a moment that I think that most wrestling
fans have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
A good chuckle at.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yes, it's just a wild scene and it happened, especially
for a match that was pretty important.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
You look looking at the next two top guys of
the next generation. This is pretty much anointing them too,
as those guys in this match right here. If it
wasn't clear already, it's clear now. We're in the final
two in the War of Rumble, right and in the
midst of this anointing ceremony of sorts, mis McMahon is

(01:09:22):
sitting on his bum with his hands on his hips
in the ring because he tore both of his quadrus
sept muscles. That's crazy of all times for it to
happen to happen right then. But that is the War
of Rumble. That is your favorite match of the night,
But it's not my favorite match of the night, not mine.

(01:09:45):
Can I tell you my favorite match.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Of the night. I believe I know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
No, I'm gonna tell you it is. No. It is
the triple threat match for the WWE Championship, John Brash Lafield,
Kurd Angle and the Big Show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
That's my match of the night. I'm sorry, really, yes
I would. Maybe it's actually created a new character. Pleasant surprise.
I was not expecting this match to be so much
damn fun. It was all action from twelve minutes for
like the twelve minutes it was there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
It was all action. And kurd Angle is the best.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I'm sorry, he is the best, and I another disrespect
the JBL Big Show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Maybe this is it. Maybe it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Kurd Angle because he is the MVP, and I know,
you know, away from the ring, his life wasn't great
at this point, but damn was he good in the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
He was everywhere, bro. He was tossing people everywhere, he
was selling, he was doing everything. Kurd Angle. It's true,
It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
This is my favorite act of the night. Big Show
took the slowest table bump of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Oh my god, in perfect position too though. It's like, okay,
I thought he already set himself up, but it was
like he took that extra time and it's like you
don't need it, You're liked up perfectly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
The people still popped, though.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Bro, they did. I mean again, it's two thousand and five,
w so we were.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Just dumb back They pop for anything back in two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
And five, exactly, h including Big show tackling JBO through
the barricade.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
That was which was was that the first time that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Because you know they had the caution tape the rest
of the night.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
That's true. It's like they didn't rebuild it, which is hilarious.
But also.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Even if it wasn't the very first time, it's one
of the first times I remember it happening, and it
was super dope. It was wild for two thousand and five.
It happens a lot more now. I feel like we
just watched me recently where it happened Like I feel
like it happens on raw.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
It happens on expect exactly like somebody guess spear through
the barricade.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
It happens a lot, especially in the Roman Reigns matches.
He likes spearing people through the barricade. But in two
thousand and five, it was wild. It was like whoa,
The crowd was buzzing when JBL went flying through that barricade.
Not nearly as cool today. Yeah, the finish was kind
of kind of lame. I mean, you got JBL's cabinet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Helping him win. Okay, I understand, I understand, But.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
The match that you know, preceded that was I thought
it was a lot of fun. There are other good
matches on the show. There's another really good one that
would happen my hitting the gym, but I thought this one.
If I wanted to watch a match again, just for
the sheer chaos of it, it's probably this match.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Bro. It wasn't a bad match for sure. Sixers are
taken next to overtime, that's hilarious, hilarious. The Knicks should
be embarrassed. But uh the I was mad because I
was like a kurd angle guy here, you know, was
still so I was like, he wasn't getting at the
world title and then he was in the a WrestleMania

(01:13:05):
match with Shawn Michaels. I was like kind of annoyed,
so but six when he when he won the world
heavyweight title, I was like, yeah, like discardangle. But by
that time he was you know, not even like worse
body shape than he was here because you could tell
is just he's running on fumes. Man, But he was

(01:13:26):
still one of the best, even running on fumes. So
I don't know my match of or not match of
the night, but I thought you were to go edge
versus Shawn Michaels for this one because I thought that
was a great match. I'll expand on that. Because you're

(01:13:52):
on mute. I think, yeah, you're on mute.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I will the reason I did have Adam. I was
gonna say Adam Copeland Michaels as my hidden gym Michaels
Cope versus HBK. But this is not your favorite at
least this uh w W title MaTx not your favorite match.

(01:14:16):
Neither is HBK versus Sewan Michael versus Edge. It is
the word rumble was your favorite match?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Yes, Edge would have been my second favorite. Uh this
is my favorite character of Edge in w W, and
I know he had better characters that connected with the
audience more after this, especially when he won the title
and rated our superstar that stuff. My favorite Edge character

(01:14:44):
is the obsessed with the World Heavyweight title Edge. When
he came back from injury, he got pissed at Tabboo
Tuesday when Shawn Michaels was picked over him and he
started this slow turn that he was like a full
fledged heel. Now by this point, Jack to the gills
is all the juice, just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Like that. We don't know, we don't know that he
was jacked and his people, I don't know why, we
don't know why it's worked out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
He was so obsessed with the World Heavy Big title
that people just started getting tired of him. And it
was hilarious. And he was just so obsessed and like
grabbing his hair and everything when he nothing will go
his way. The obsessed Edge is my favorite character that
he had in this because what he eventually did win

(01:15:46):
the title. He almost felt happy for him, even though
he was a huge heel, because he's like crying tears
of joy, but he's supposed to be this heel. It's
like when did when do we see that from a heel?
You know, it was one of the first times I
ever saw that, and I was like, man, like, maybe
Edge is a good guy. We're just misunderstanding him or

(01:16:09):
something like that. Yeah, probably not, but I understood one
of my favorite iterations of Edge here, So yeah, that's it.
Like I thought in the Mary Rumble, he was good
too in the match, you know, final four, and I
got close. I didn't want him to win the world title,

(01:16:30):
but you know, this was the start of me. Like
the edgend Christian I was was very entertaining and then
he got hurt, so he was like off for I
think a year, maybe a little longer than a year
he wasn't on TV. Came back and to this type
of character. I loved it. It was just like amazing, Yeah,

(01:16:51):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
I was definitely into the Edge character at this point.
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
It's a shame he got hurt and it was off
for so long, but he came and I thought that
the shifting character was definitely needed for.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Him to go heal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Oh he's a good babyface, but I think the heel
turn obviously made him a bigger start, clearly because that's
where he won all these whole titles as a heel.
But this match itself is my hitting gym. I think
you know, I didn't know this match happened on this show.
I forgot that this match was on the show. It
opened the show, and it was a great opening match,
a big match for Edge, like we're pretty much talking

(01:17:26):
about like this is like the beginning of his like
big heel turn as a single. He's just coming back,
and I think that he'll turn was needed to because
he came back as a baby face. When he first
came back from injury, he was still a baby face
and it was working, but it wasn't quite to where
it was maybe before he got hurt, so I think the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Hell turn was necessary.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
And then he gets this big old match with HBK
at Roord Rumble, which Seawan Michaels isn't necessarily like the
world champion anymore, but he's still a big match and
he's still like a guy that if you get a
chance to go against him at this point, you got
to come through. You gotta deliver, and I think Edge
delivered in this match with Sean Michaels. And I guess

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that stamp of approval definitely helped Edge because look where
Look where he went after that, uh, because he won
the world title for the first time with next year,
so in two thousand, but he won money in the
bank at WrestleMania a couple of months after this, So clearly,
I mean I say clearly, I would assume this match

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helped cement him as a guy that they could potentially
rely on in the future along with John Cena and
a Batista. We can throw maybe throw Edge in that
mix too. Maybe it could be a good heel for
John Cena.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
And the only at the top that too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
But he could be a good heel for John Cena
to beat.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
I feel like that's how at it, But I love
the spot where and it's true that did happen HPK.
He hits the elbow drop and then he kind of
like is on the ground and he kind of like
waits for a while and he can gets the crowd
involved before he kind of gets up to do sweetsheir music.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
And I was like, that's just like a work of art,
like to kind.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Of like slowly get up and slowly start moving and
the crowd starts cheering with you. You slowly start It's almost
like it was reminded me a Weekend at Bernie's. I
don't know if you've ever seen that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
I know the premise of the of the guy who's
dead but he's still moving. Yeah, never heard of or
never seen Weekend at Bernie's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I haven't seen it in so long, but yeah, it's
about a guy who's dead but he hears do you put.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Music in this guy's ears? He starts moving.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
He starts walking aimlessly when he has a song playing
in his ear, even though he's dead, and he could
just his body just reanimates and he starts moving.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
His limbs and because people are carrying them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
No, he's walking on his own. That's what I'm saying. Bro.
Like this is is Bernie is the guy who's dead
looking at his house. His friends go to his house.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
He's dead, and somehow he gets provided by hearing music
or something like that, and he the way he starts
moving in the beginning is kind of because he like
moves like one limb at a time, and he almost
like walks to the bop of the music. He kind
of moves to this kind of fun and I just
I don't know why I thought about that. When Shawn
Michaels is kind of kind of working his way up
to his feet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
It kind of reminded me of waking at Bernie's. But
it worked.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
My point is in conclusion, it worked, and the fans
bought into it and it got to I think, a
big rise out of the crowd for a second. I
also loved Edge cheating to win because he got him
over as a heel and then protected the Sean Michaels.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Just referees are so stupid. Man. If you're that close
to the ropes, like you're not even checking while you're counting,
Just look up. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Just look up. Let's see what else we have here
from the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
That was my heading jet and by.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
The way, that's You're Hidden, Jim.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
We got to talk about that. We talked about our
favorite matches of the night. We got to talk about
our least favorite match of the night, Nick Wire, you're
going with the worst match of the two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Five World It was a gimmick match.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
We featured the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Oh we agree, We agree on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
There was one good spot in that match that I liked,
maybe two with the leg drop when Hide Reich was
like halfway in the casket Undertaker leg drop the casket.
I thought that was kind of funny. And then just
the pop that Caine got when he was in the
casket came out to even the odds with Snitzky and

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Hide and Reik. So other than that, this match sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
We're going to talk more about Hide and right of
my random thoughts, I feel like I probably should talk
about him more now, but we're gonna talk to talk
about the match real quick, because, uh, the fans just
didn't care about Hiding Reike Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
They just did not care uh.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
And it wasn't for not lack an effort of trying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Oh, they tried so hard, too hard in some in
some respects didn't like, let's just talk about Hide and
rec real quick, all right, because I feel like, if
we're gonna talk about this match, we might as well
get Hide and Reike out the way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
It's a lot to talk about. But they made Hiding
look like such a sucker.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Just he's afraid of the casket in inandamant object?

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Well, I mean, is this is this a scary thing?
As the Warrior was afraid of a casket.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Look stupid too, that's stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Also, this big, this big.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Tough guy is afraid of an object that can't hurt him.
And I'm supposed to believe that he's gonna beat the
Undertaker cass cats.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
He was like, I want to even touch it? You
don't want to touch it? Why did you sign up
for this match? Like you should quit? How was it
supposed to get him over?

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
And then I'm sure Vince is at backstage is like,
why isn't he getting over? Your terrible idea?

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Is why? Clearly?

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Because this almost made me feel bad for him because
it's like There's no way this was his idea. There
is no way this is hiding X's idea. By the way,
Hiding right is real named John Hyde, and Reich is
his name. This had Vince written all over.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Remember.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Remember he would just do like creepy stuff to people
like Michael Cole. Yeah, Like I don't know what they
were trying to. He's like ambiguously creepy to Michael Cole.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
You whether you intent in sinuating that he was kind
of into certain other things, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
It's like intentionally vague, but weirdly vague.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
It was he like reading Michael Cole poetry or something
like that. It was this weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Bro. He's a kid for one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Let me just say that he kidnapped Michael Cole kidnapped
him an announcer. Nobody did anything about it, and never
nobody ever sent like a search party for Michael Cole.
They just shot it like it was normal, like weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
The promo with Snisky was also, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Oh, yeah, we got to talk about that. W W
two biggest in cells are uniting.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Jeene Snitsky and John Hyden Reich, well not John Heider,
just Hide and Reich. I don't want to the spur,
the smirch, the actual person here. But yes, one of
those segments that were in that was in the GM
office was snisky pretty much tell tell him how to
write that he had his back. It was supposedly an idea.

(01:25:06):
It wasn't really an idea. It was just like, hey,
I'm just, I'm just I'm gonna help you. But at
some point.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
They told each other they liked each other.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Yeah, the two big goofies on have united.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
The heavy breathing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Horrible Bro Hide and Right was breathing so heavily, heavily,
Why what is what are we doing? What are we
trying to get at here? And then getting Vince is
sitting backstage. I'm trying to make him a star a documentary.
I'm trying to make him a star. I wouldn't do
that to ruin his career. Man, Vince, you fooled me, Bro,

(01:25:49):
you fooled me because Hide and Reike was scared to
touch the casket. That's gonna make him a star, though,
gonna make him a star. The spot where you talked
about Kane being inside the casket is like the big
moment of the match. Did not see that coming uh.
And I put it's the Maga Powers versus the in
Cels a main event on any car to Knox County, Tennessee.

(01:26:13):
Oh yeah, uh yeah, but Caine, he pretty much took
care of Jean Snisky.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
And I will say this though, once they kind of
went away, Once Snisky and Kane went away, the match
actually got better.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
As weird as that sound, but.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Yeah, the Hider might be afraid of the casket is
still killing me because it's like, how can I how
are you supposed to beat the Phenom? You know, he's
afraid of a casket. The Fenom woke up there this morning.
He of course he he's gonna kill this guy, literally,
like he's gonna put him in a casket.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Come on, brouh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
But again, in my opinion, I thought the mash actually
got better once Hiding, Snisky and King got away, because
remember Sniskey and Hiding did this pretty rough looking double.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Team suplex that didn't go too well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Neither did the choke slam that Undertaker gave the Hide
and Rag. Outside of that chuck lamb, I thought the
back and forth they had specifically was wasn't that bad.
I would assume no, that the choke slam didn't go
that well because heid And just didn't have any hops.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
I don't know, probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
He just didn't have any bunnies whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Help him out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Oh that will happen later this year, right, I thank God, horrible,
but eventually take your hits to Tombstone and rolls enrolled
Hide and Right into the casket to secure a very
uneventful win for the Undertaker. After all these years, Vincement
man is just still rolling out big guys for Undertaker

(01:27:54):
to beat.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Come on, bro, did you notice when Hide and Right
at one point was trying to push hit Undertaker towards
the casket, but he was really not doing much to
take her had to kind of hop into the casket
himself using his own mobile.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
I did not see that, but I'm not surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Like he was rolling towards the casket, and I guess
it just wasn't Heinrich was not doing it good enough
or realistic enough. That Taker just used his own momentum
to kind of hop in there, put his arms down,
And I was like, that's hilarious, just the visual an
anytime something is so blatantly obvious that you know one

(01:28:34):
worker is not helping out the other. I always got
a kick out of it, no matter who it is.
Early and now I got a kick out of that one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Not a great match, by the way, I had to
Hide and Reich snitsky segment where they were talking backstage
as my worst non wrestling happening because Hide and Reich's
breathing just made me uncomfortable. Bro, it made me uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I'm sorry. So there's that. But speaking of Hide and Right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
That'll be mine too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Found entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
I did not it was I was not comfortable with
it that all. Hated every second of it, honestly. But
let's talk about John heyden Reich for a second, because
besides the fact that they made him like a sucker,
uh in wrestling, he was did a lot of stuff
away from wrestling in regards to football. Did you know,
Oh then Hide and Rich played in four football leagues?

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Oh? Four?

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Can you name them?

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
XFL Nope, Bummer, NFL Europe uh M.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
I will let you slide on it because it wasn't
in it for Europe at the time, but it eventually
became it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
But that's one CFL, yes, the USFL.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
No, it wasn't around it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
It is probably to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
I mean, give you a time frame. It's just the nineties.
So think of the nineties. So no, no USFL, the nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
The nineties football.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I mean, come on, You've got a couple of big
ones out there that you can just low hanging fruit,
the lowest of hanging fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
The football.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Yeah, what's the biggest football leag you know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
The UFL, the Football League?

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Come on, bro, in the NFL, Well, I can he
was there in camps. Oh, well, he is in multiple camps.
I'll run him down.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
But Rock was in one arena football.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Ding ding ding, you got them all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
John Hyde and right played and he was in the
training camps in the NFLS for the NFL's Washington Commanders.
They were another team back then, the New Orleans Saints
and the Atlanta Falcons. You know he played with alongside
with only Atlanta falconsl over.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Fellow future wrestler Bill Goldberg. You're correct.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
He also played for the Shreveport Pirates, who were an
American expansion team in the Canadian Football League.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
So he didn't play in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Well, I guess he might have played some games up there,
but he played for an American team in the Canadian
Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Team still exist.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Hell no, none of the American teams exist no more.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
They were done in ninety like five, like the ben
went out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
I didn't even realize what the STFL had American teams.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yeah, it was an experiment that failed very quickly and
went down in flames. But there was some fun like
uniform like very ugly nineties uniforms, and team names that
people still talk about, like the Street Poor Pirates, and uh,
this is a couple of other ones. You had the
Baltimore Stions, which was a really good team actually, and

(01:31:57):
just much of others.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
We can do that on the CFL expansion episode of
The Straight Shooters One Day in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
But of course, like you said, the Arena Football League,
he played in and played for the Texas Terror, the
Arena Football League, the Terror, and the one that you
got right, I'll give you at least half of credit
on is he did play for the Frankfurt Galaxy what
was then known as the World League of American Football,
but of course it eventually became NFL Europe. But yes,

(01:32:28):
that's the same league that JBL played in when he
was doing his Hawk Hogan impersonation.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Played for the San Antonio Riders.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I couldn't find any stats on hide and right because
he didn't play in a bunch of games obviously, at
least not in the NFL. But the only stats I
could find and him was oddly enough from the Texas
Terror and according to Arena fan dot com, he had
three tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
During the nineteen ninety six season. And that's that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
That's all I got. So there's John HEYDENRCH. I don't
know much else besides his some of his football exploits.
This ship gears a little bit here to our top
non wrestling happening from the two thousand and five War Rumble.
We've talked about it already a little bit. And Eddie Garoll,
at least for mind, Eddie Garrell is stealing Ric Flair's number.

(01:33:17):
That is my top non wrestling happening. That is a
classic moment. But Nick, do you want to divulge yours
by any chance?

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
That is also mine, just based off the Flair was
great in these situations where his reactions and stuff were
just so over the top, so kind of made me laugh.
I do have an honorable mention okay, Batista and Carlito
is a little interaction backstage. I guess Patista was on

(01:33:46):
his way to get his number run into Carlito. Carlito
wanted to sign the petition for to remove Teddy Long
as backdown general manager, and Fatista was like, which, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Which is already hilarious, Like there's a petition to get
him removed, and then I thought it was like in hindsight,
I don't know if it was intended at the time,
a little bit of a seed that Batisa didn't sign
it because eventually he'd go to SmackDown. Not only was
it a babyface move for him not to sign a
petition that would remove the babyface general manager, he'd also

(01:34:21):
work for the guy like six months, so I guess
he liked Teddy Long to a certain extent, so I'm
not removing him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
About to pay me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Carlito takes a body of the apple like he's gonna
spit out the space and then doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Patista's like, uh, yeah, I'm gonna beat your ass if
you do that, So don't do that. Was like, I
will not do that, sir, I will move on. I
will get somebody else to sign my petitions get sat.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Now Carlito looks like Batista, do them they switch body touches.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
That's crazy. Carlito out here is still a member of
the Judgment Day. How about Carlido man getting there, getting
his last another run in just hanging out and the
Judgment Day clubhouse and it gets an occasional match he loses,
and he just hangs out and plays video games all day.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
And you have to hang out next to Ria and
then next to Live.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
So what a great run Carlidle's had.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
I don't know how much longer it's gonna last, but
like just the fact that he's even had this run
is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
And that's no pun intended.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Intended, but like that's pretty I think it's a pretty
good VET run.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
For Carlito, just like hanging out, getting paid, being.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
A VET and being and probably I'm sure hanging out
with the being amongst the talent, and maybe helping some people,
some younger folks or whatever. Being a veteran in the
locker room. That's always important as well. It's a very
important thing having vets in the locker room, and Colido's
a VET, so having his presence in the locker room
I'm sure it's good. I would imagine at least as good,
and then he can just hang out, just chill and

(01:35:58):
make money. That's that's a great run, a good bet
run for Carlito. But yeah, that's a good honorable mention.
As far as your top non wrestling happening, I will
say Eddie Girrel's suit in the segment where he steals
Ric Flair's number and wallet is wo that's something, boy.

(01:36:18):
That pattern I don't know what to even make of
that pattern he was wearing. And then underneath that it
was like like like a brown suit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Was it brown.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
And like brown stripes kind of deal and or black?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
It didn't have like a red shirt with the red tie.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Oh, it was like ever wear suits either.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
I don't know, man, that's that suit stood out. I
know that that suit was a show stopper.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Let's say that it was bright. It was not even bright.
It was just a lot going on. Busy. It was busy.
That's a good word for it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Why was it okay for them to uh make Eddie
and Flair switch back after Eddie stole his number, but
yet they couldn't make Cardi Angle give Nunzio his number back.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Because Rick Flair is is sixteen time world chance, nun
Zeo is nun Zo.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
I guess that's that's the explanation.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
I got it. Nunzio just look like a big old
fool man.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
He looked like a fool, like a chump.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
He did.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Kerd Angle just brodied his number in front of everybody.
It's like, I'm gonna beat it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
I'm gonna beat you for it. Oh pretty much. He
took the number.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
I guess since we're talking about it, I had this
my random thoughts. But since we're talking about it, kurd
Angle distraightleas Nunzio for his ward rum will number. Didn't
even know what number he had. He just said, I'm
taking your number.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
It could be number one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
I'm taking it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
He didn't even know what number it was. Nunzio didn't
even show up in the match. They didn't switch.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Kurd Angle, I don't. I guess card Angle wasn't in it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
And he's like, I'm taking your spot, and None was
like no, I don't want you to do that, and
then do something, and None Joe was like I will not,
and he said no, and then left and kard Angle
was in the match, only in the match for thirty seconds.
Sonnio would have done worse.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Perhaps got the last laugh, because is it more embarrassing
to be in there for twenty seconds versus not in
not at all?

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Maybe maybe. I mean kurd Angle did whoop a lot
of people, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
That's true, beat a lot of people up before he
got eliminated, and it beat somebody else up after that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
That's true. He actually did have one elimination, so yeah,
even though he was eliminated before.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
That, right, But yeah, that that was a wild segment.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
But also Rick Flair, back to the Eddie Guerrero uh
Ric Flair segment, Flair for one terrible poker face. He
gave away that he had a good number, and right away,
as soon as he got the number in his hand, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Like, oh yeah, we back, baby, we seventeen times. I
was like, okay, Rick, I guess he's number thirty, which
was what he was at the end of the day.
He was number thirty. So how about you keep it quiet, boy,
have some chill bro like or he.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Wouldn't have even you know, known.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
No, you would you got because you get it away
it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
He had one, so I guess he would have trieds.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Maybe, Yeah, anything's better than one. I guess what if
he got he tried to steal a number and it
got two. Like damn, it's the same thing, damn. But
I'm just saying, bro, you gotta you can't. In Philly,
we say you drawing right now, bro, Like, you can't
draw like that on yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Gave it away, and then Eddie turns right around gives
him a big old.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Hug, clearly pickpocketing you. Where's your streets smarts at Come on, bro,
the dirtiest player in the game fell for the oldest
play in the book. Come on, bro. And then I
Love I Do Love Flair showing off the number and
every body being like, oh okay, I know he's happy. Okay.
He's like, what's you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Oh hell no, and he realizes he got number one,
so he's been had. But later on, evolution.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Makes Eddie Garrel give his number back, and he reluctantly
gives it back, and then Teddy Long in his baggy
suit says, hey man, you got something else, and Edie
Garel pulls out Rick Flair's wallet, who Apparently Rick Flair
just doesn't care about his wallet. He never noticed it
was missing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
I know, damn well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
If I pat my pockets, pat my pants right now
on my pockets, my pocket gets on my pants. I
should say, not my pants on my pockets, pockets on
my pants right now. If I patted them things right now.
If I don't feel my wallet, I'm I'm panicking right away.

(01:40:51):
If he stole my number, what else could he have stolen?
Checking everything? But apparently he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Know until until Eddie Garrell gave it back to him,
So there is But I'm glad we agree on that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Any other hidden gyms or top wrestling happenings before we
get into our.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
Random noticed that Rawl's made event with Triple H and
Randy Orton got a video package, SmackDown's main event didn't,
and it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Had the better match SmackDown did. So let's get into
our random thoughts real quick. And because I forgot to
mention it earlier, let's mention it now. Let's talk about
the theme of the show. Okay, Uh, The video packages
leading up and like the ad packages were based off

(01:41:37):
of West Side Story.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Which I didn't know was the thing. I'm so you
know that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Apparently, But yes, there was a West Side story theme
and branding to the show, which was kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
It had raw wrestlers dressed up as one gang I
guess the Jets of the Sharks or whatever one and
Smack dun wrest is doing the same thing, and he
had like the hay and the jacket e Ric Flair.
Ric Flair, I don't think even changed his outfit for it.
He was just like, I'm ready, I'm from this time baby.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
But they had that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Even though it's a pretty dated reference even by two
thousand and five, it was still pretty cool because I
mean it's dated because the musical debuted in the nineteen
fifties and the story is based on Romeo and Juliet
was written like sometime in a fifteen hundred so spoiler spoilers, okay,
but yeah, seven hundred year spoiler of Romeo and Juliette.

(01:42:34):
I'm sorry, I apologize. The tagline for the show was
all the Rumbling minus is singing and dancing. Guess they
did some of that into in the commercial as well.
I remember they had like a whole song for the Rumble.
They did it like a musical because that's where West
Side Story is. It's a musical, classic musical, has been

(01:42:55):
redone a million times and again it's based off of
Romeo and Juliet.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
So if you don't know about West Side Story, go
look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Look at some theater. Sometimes, Man, what you're doing being
on cultured out here? Find out Nick? Find out about
West Side Story and the Jets and the Sharks talk
about you to know what it was about two thousand
and five?

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
What the hell? Some culture? I'm just checking.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
So that was the tagline, but we didn't get the stage.
You can look at the stage, and I did not
like it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
It was odd to me. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
It was something.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
It wasn't them sticking to It was them sticking to
the West Side Story theme. Why with like a bridge,
so like an underpass and like fencing and like a
poster with buildings painting on it, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Guess simulate like a city scape. It looked like something
out of Community Theater. I'm sorry. I hate it. Did
not get and.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
I hated it. It didn't looked good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
It didn't make any sense. It just looked like, what
is it? This is a bridge? It's an underpass? Cool?
It looked like the underpass near twenty three hundred Arena.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Honestly, I was expecting us to say that, like, you know,
either cheese steak and a parking lot of some bro,
is that a fun area to be around?

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Not necessarily it's fine unless you know. I was there
to get the super Bowl ring. That was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
But other than that, and look, we made it look
a lot better than it usually looks. But uh but
still me. Come on and imagine you know, you're in
the big leagues. Now you're in WWE and the stage
is an underpass.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Just go to the hood to see that. Bro, you
gotta come to the big, the big, big bad show,
the big show, glitz and the glamour, and your name
isn't lights. Here's none to pass. Okay. Another thing I
remember from this show is that the theme song. I
loved it. You know, I'm not like a huge rock fan,

(01:45:06):
but like this alter Bridge song find the Real Classic.
Should have went triple. I'm sorry, should have went triple.
You didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
I guess I wasn't even paying attention.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Ah, But you pay attention to them damn ropes in
the show, but not the song that's playing apparently not.
So maybe we're like that opposites. You pay attention to,
you pay attention to the ropes. I listened to the
theme songs and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
A lot of the a lot of the.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Let's let's listen to it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
That's an ad. We can't play too much of it neither.
We're not paying alter Bridge no money. Also, Dynamite is
going on to d and somebody's bleeding profusely.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Moxley's ears all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
What the hell happened to him? I guess say it's broke.
H what's the name's leg Powerhouse Hobs? Yeah, this is it. Oh,
I like that song when I was a teenager.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Okay, I like to just same. That's got me into metallignis.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Also off the bridge by the way, so yeah, that was,
you know, theme song, stuff about the word rumble. Other
random notes that I had here. The match graphics and
the graphics package overall for this show also not good.
I didn't like it, just just generic stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
It was a little weird for.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
There's like lines moving back and forth. It was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
It just to be a poor showing from WW who
were generally pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
At this stuff, and it just wasn't just wasn't on
this night.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
It's like what trying to do here?

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
It just felt like they kind of meld it in
regarding that, like you could have done so much more
like that, like the match graphics, Like when they would
show like, oh it up next is the world title
match and it's like and Ordan triple h and that
graphic that thing was terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
I don't understand what that was. It was like a
shifting like cube with like.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
One side was like the match itself, and then other
side was like a bunch of like just random images.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Terrible. Who thought of that?

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
I don't know, Maybe I'm maybe I'm tripping again. This
is you were the ring ropes and me with like production.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Things graphics and stuff, I'm like, what what is that design?
It's terrible. Then, other thing I found terrible was the
fact that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
There were so many backstage segments, I mean so many
for a pay per view, probably too many for my liking.
We spent so much time in that GM office with
Teddy Long and Eric Bischoff, too much time for my liking. Uh,
And I saw way too much of Teddy Long's baggy suit, So.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
I didn't mind, Like the people getting their numbers and stuff,
but with JB on one and they went and they
were celebrating in the office. They it took forever for
Teddy Long to eventually make the announcement about him JBL
versus Big show in a barbed wire steel cage and

(01:48:14):
no way out, Like he was like, ah, you know,
like I know what we're gonna do. And it took
like two minutes to get there while JBL and everybody
was celebrating and I was so like, all right, let's
get on with it, like let's go, And I was like,
what are we doing? Why are we stalling? I was
getting annoyed by it because it was taking forever for

(01:48:37):
Teddy Long just to make the announcement. I don't know
what that was supposed to be, but it was a
waste of time. It was like the most annoying part
of the show for me. I was like because I
knew what was coming, I knew no Way out of
five Maine event, like, I watched it, I taped it.
I didn't realize it it took so long in that

(01:48:59):
segment to get there and I was like, let's go.
And then JBL's like reaction to it just staring blankly
and then they cut to you know, the arena. It's
like that was we could have done without that. That
was a that was a TV why exactly like that
was a TV said, why are we here for that?
Because like everyone watching the umble dude, JBL versus a

(01:49:21):
big show when if Barb Blader Steel cage did not
move me at all, it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Did not I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
I remember thinking like that's the match for NOOAD. Yeah,
al is gonna win nobody even if it's cage.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
You better have a good undercard if older that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Right, smack down exclusive show, right like no Way Out.
I'm still doing the brand exclusive shows. Yeah, your main
event of the next pay per view big show and
JBL and you try to spice it up with the
Barbara Cage, but like just at e c W, so
you're not gonna do that much crazy stuff. I'm sure
somebody bloed though it's still two thousand and five, but yeah,

(01:50:00):
just I probably would have after that match was made
if you had like had that petition, like like Harlddle
came around with that petition and then like I would
have been like, nah, I ain't gonna sign it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
The good Brother Teddy Long. He deserved his job, and
then he made that match, like give me the petition,
hand it over come on, Carlido where my pen at
I would have signed it, Like, you know what, he's
going too far.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
Him and his suit's got that go. Okay, they got
to go. You can't book this nonsense in the main
event of pay per view. But obviously it wasn't Teddy Long,
it was Ance. But yeah, I mean the suit though,
the white suit with the line pattern is like just

(01:50:46):
so old school play it and literally that's what Teddy Long,
Weakalhalla player. The jacket was so long, bro, it's like
down to his knees. What That's not how jackets work.
That's not how traditional suit.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Jackets should be. Come on, you know damn well that
jackets too long. It's like a trench coat on you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Now, it didn't get the pants, you know, the Hella
baggy so much extra material. Somebody could have wear a
new shirt from that, and you got it all just
in your pants, on your pants, whatever you want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
I know, I know Bryan somewhere right now.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
It's just not the way it's going to go down
to night players.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
It's crazy, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Speaking of backstage segments we get, you know, as part
of the backstakes. It's pretty much all of my random
all the stuff that happened at backstage, because we got
the tension mounting and evolution where Triple H shying a
boss Patista around.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
The Patista's like I'll be right back, nobody clocking me,
and chip As come right back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
They did this so much too in the lead up,
like this was only just part of it. They did it.
They built a whole raw to like Triple H and
Batista about to face each other, and then it was
all a ruse at the end, and you know they're
hugging and Red Flair's crack it up and everything like that.
I believe it was before this. I think it was
sometime in December or something, because it was like Randy

(01:52:22):
Orton trying to manipulate the situation for Batista or something,
and it was just so it's like, oh my god,
can we stop this and actually just have Batista clock them.
At some point, I was just so tired of the
passive aggressive stuff that I was finally factfully we got
that a few weeks later. What do you power bomb

(01:52:44):
Triple HS through the table, which was.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
A brilliant, brilliant segment. Did the thumbs up thumbs down.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
I want to watch that again because that's one of
my favorite raw moments ever.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
And it was a nice low way to tie it
into the Randy Orton deal, which was you know, that
was a whole set britishe how fast that happened and
all that, but it's still the thumbs up thumbs down.
It's like that was part of that story. And then
Batista kind of turned it back on and they're like, yeah,
SmackDown baby. He's like, nope, I'm staying over here and
then then going to SmackDown. But yes, backstage stuff, we

(01:53:15):
get the evolution, tension mounting and stuff like that. So
of course setting up for the WrestleMania match. Also in
the GM office, Christian freestyle raps against John Cena. He
even hit a beat box bro so that happened. And lastly,
I have two or two things. One you mentioned that

(01:53:39):
JBL segment where he's talking to Teddy Long. Don't forget
that JBA also spoke to Teddy Long and Pig Latin
and we'll hit him with the fo shizzle my you know,
dizzle dizzel type stuff. And then said he's gonna buy
him a forty ounce, so he's gonna buy him a
photy and not just.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
A phody of mart liquor because he's black, so not great.
And you know who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
And this is obviously two thousand and five stuff like
that that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
First we were gonna hear that Bence thing, but I
think that was the next year.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Right, good lord, that's what the warumble, I think. So
oh man, I thought that was like on raw or something.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
That's the I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
It might have been six because I thought at first
I thought it was this one, but then I was like, well,
we don't see him.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
So thank goodness because I didn't feel like talking about
that boy was champion.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
He did, so you're right right, he did.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
See had to spin a belt. Yeah, you're right right,
So it had to be sometime in the next year.
And lastly, my last note is that, to no surprise,
guess who's match is the longest on the undercard.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
A boy old heavyweight champion?

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Oh you damn right, it is Hunter hers Helmsley on
the show, the longest in the singles match, more than anybody.
The ww title match was ten minutes shorter, and yet
it was my favorite match on the show. And yeah,
here we are with this match ten minutes longer but
has a concussion angle, which is like, oh, not the

(01:55:21):
best course of action these days. But you know, this
is two thousand and five, so they didn't care about
brains or anything like that back then. But yep, just
once again, Triple H with the longest match a routine
thing at this time and still look even through twenty
was it nineteen when he and Batista had like a
thirty five minute match at WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Unless Sweet do it for the podcast, I don't think
I'm ever gonna watch that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
Again, y'll no for what, for who? And for who
for y'all if y'all really wanted. But other than that,
I ain't watching that show again outside of Kobe Kingston
right and Daniel Bryan, but definitely not that match thirty
five minutes of Batista and Triple Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Who asked for that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Triple H and Batista, I guess too, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
The only people who was like, yeah, I need thirty
five minutes y'all in the ring, one on one, just
y'all two.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Nobody else, just y'all. And it happened and no one
liked it. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
That's all the notes I had that Vince comment was
Survivors series oh five, so it wasn't It was later
that year, but not uh, it was not at the Rumble, not.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
The Rumble, Okay, oh boy, yeah, the uh I had it.
I used to.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
So that whole Triple H S Randy Orton thing was
like so bad that I think that's part of the
reason I was so behind Batista.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
About the story itself. Yeah, yeah, the story was bad.

Speaker 3 (01:57:07):
Yes, so I was like, okay, well, maybe they'll pivot
to like Orton versus Batista at some point, and I
was like, Okay, maybe Orton's gonna win the title back
from Triple H. Yeah, obviously not. But the whole uh
concussion angle, I think I don't know, Like back at five,

(01:57:31):
we were still getting like chair shots, headshots, stuff like that,
so we did not It didn't connect to where like, okay,
concussions aren't serious, so what the hell's his issue?

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
You know that makes sense? Yeah, now did you mentioned that?

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Because society didn't take concussions seriously, why should we as
a viewer suddenly care about Randy Ewan's concussion.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
You just bashed him over the head.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
With a chair a couple of months ago, and he
came back like nothing happened. Yet he falls out of
the ring a certain way and it's like, oh, his
head is he got bumped on the head and now
he doesn't know where he is. That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
It's like, why not just have a headshot or something
like obviously safe but like a chair, you know, a
DDT on the outside. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Something actually happened to him in the match.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
It was like something like not like happened to him really,
but like within the story would happen to him?

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
I forget, No, he the all. The only thing is
he was going for a DDT with Triple Ah. Triple
H held the roupe. When he fell back on the mat,
he hit his head and that's when it started. So
he didn't It wasn't even an offensive move by Triple
H that caused it. It was an offensive move the
Triple H counter that caused the concussion to Randy Orton,

(01:58:49):
and then the way they played it, it was just
it went too long. The fans didn't really seem the care.
The commentary tried to put it over. You know, why
is there a restop of the match? Are always like
yelling at him, Randy, Randy, why isn't earl stop of
the match? You have? Moron? Just it In two thousand

(01:59:09):
and five, you're you're still remember you're only three years
removed from the attitude I work pretty much, you know,
where headshots were common, like multiple times a night, so
and you weren't told that concussions were serious, like you mentioned,
like we just didn't think they were as serious a

(01:59:32):
thing as they are. And I don't know why you
would saddle Randy Orton with that angle to think, you know,
you built sympathy with him, because it just didn't work.
By WrestleMania, he was wrestling the Undertaker already kind of
a tweener at that point, so I guess more of
a baby faced and heel at that point. And they

(01:59:54):
do go to SummerSlam, he's more of a heel. So
I just I don't think it did him any favors really,
I mean yeah, they just you know, focus on him
trying to tell the story. It's like, okay, but like
we've seen this type of stuff before. What's different here?
You're telling us stuff that's doesn't seem to be, you know,

(02:00:16):
an issue if not like stop the match, and there
was no match stopping, so why are we taking it seriously?
Like it just didn't make sense in that context to me,
even while watching it live, but even like watching it back,
I'm just like, I still don't see the logic and
trying to do this.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
And at the end of the day, none of it
helped get Randy Orton over now, like not as a babyface.
Nobody bought a ticket, nobody bought a shirt, Nobody you know,
sat down.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
It's like, I'm a Randy Orton fan because of what
happened or a rumble. So at the end of the day,
what do we do it for?

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
And clearly it's like it feels like they didn't have
a long term vision for him because they just turned
him heel and put him against the Undertaker, which is
like not a bad place to be, but it's it's
a different place from where he was just in January
and even in late two thousand and four, where he
spent the back half of two thousand and four as
the top baby face on Raw pretty much, right, so,
I think who else is a big baby face on
Raw at the end of two thousand and four, which

(02:01:13):
was probably what made Raw so crappy at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Honestly that Randy Orton was your top baby face, yeah,
not ready for that spot.

Speaker 3 (02:01:20):
It was Randy Orton, Chris Tergo, Chrispin Wan maven Ooh.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
Tough time on the babyface side for sure, bro. So Yeah,
not great timing, And it's a spot that's not an
easy spot to be in. It's one thing to be
the top heel, which I think he probably could have
been in two thousand and four, two thousand.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
And five, but he probably maybe not the top anything.

Speaker 3 (02:01:44):
He was world champ, but like.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
Honestly, being a top heeled one thing. But to be
the top babyface that's a harder job.

Speaker 3 (02:01:52):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
And Randy didn't really become a top baby face until
what like twenty twelve, Like it took a while before
people fully accepted Randy ord as a babyface. Obviously that
came after years and years of him being a heel.
I think that two thousand and four that was the
last time he was a baby face for a while.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
Yet remember him being.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
A baby face until like again twenty eleven, twenty twelve,
and then maybe twenty ten maybe after I know after
Legacy dissolved that he kind of turned heel after that
turned babyface. So maybe that was like twenty ten, twenty eleven,
something like that, but it was a while.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
Yeah, And then he won the money in the bank
in twenty thirteen. I haven't turn here after that when
he cashed in against Randy Orton.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
So it's like what a ride, right, But this particular time,
I just it didn't do him.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
It didn't do Randy Orton in any favors the way
Triple H booked.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
Him at or not Triple Basic Man booked the way
Basmic Man booked him with Triple H. I think they
put him with Triple H to think, oh, we're gonna
get this guy over. And I'm sure he learned a
lot working with Triple H. But as far as his
like I would say character or just like how people
viewed him, as far as like whether he was over
or not, I don't think it helped him any as

(02:03:06):
far as that. I think once he turned back heel,
he got back on track, and the Undertaker and nephew
did a lot for Randy Orton, way more than what
Triple AS did, and they feuded for so long now.
Granted him and Randy Orton undertake also feuded for a
long time too, But that Triple H one was like

(02:03:26):
the last six months of two thousand and four, and
it did nothing for Randy Orton, in my opinion, did
nothing at least as far as how people viewed him,
you know, and the perception of randywing whether he's the
top star or not.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
I don't know if he was the top babyface for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
I do wonder if you kept the title on him
for a few months, if he wanted Triple H to
be the champion going into WrestleMania, why not just have
him beat Orton, you know, in December or New Year's
Revolution or something. Why did it have to be the
very next pay per view in sept.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
I'm forgetting like that didn't help him.

Speaker 3 (02:04:02):
I think that I think I was waiting, okay, like
if Forton beats Triple H here, then you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
Know, well you can accept them.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
I'll start, Yeah, I'll start the ride with him, you know,
like it'll be my guy, and Triple A just beat him.
There was no like pushback on it. You know. It
wasn't like I was on fair advantage. Whatever it wasn't
like Randy Orton gets a rematch.

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
It was I mean, he probably did get rematched, he
didn't win any We lost the wall and I don't
particularly remember any of them. I can't tell you because.

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
It was rough.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
It was a rough time on raws, especially SmackDown. We
had Eddie Guerrero and John Cena. They were having fun
on SmackDown. Not to mention who else is over there.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
JBL was the champion and he had the cabinet at
least they were, and I remember not really buying into that,
but same cabinet.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
It was like it was something, but it was something right,
But yeah, you definitely had it seemed like more. I
guess a vibrant roster over on SmackDown yet obviously Raymon Stereo.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
I think let's book a t on SmackDown at this
point too.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
I believe so so, and like I said, I had
and it just wasn't that overcome on now.

Speaker 3 (02:05:21):
He put himself at a world title matches against triple
weights because he was GM for night as he should, hilarious.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
As he absolutely should.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
Don't pull a Chavo Guerrero on WW give yourself the
TV title when you have a notary. He can give
yourself championship matches, get the world title, give me if
I want the belt.

Speaker 3 (02:05:42):
I just remember like that a while coming out Jericho
coming out or in trying to help may even beat
Triple Ah. It was close. It was that string of
raws on talented man. It was it was exciting. We
hadn't seen that in so long, and I'm like, oh,
the products, Like I'm back into it now because this
stuff is like different than what they've been doing. Even
though Triple H is the champion, and of course he

(02:06:05):
remains the champion after all this, but Batista comes along.
So there were things, there were stories around there that
were just so exciting, and Randy Orton was not part
of any of it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
No he was not. No, he was not. I will
agree with that one.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
Things picked down and he went to SmackDown after and.

Speaker 2 (02:06:21):
That's when things picked up.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Honestly, when he got to smacked him and he got
away from Triple H. Y right, things picked up from
Randy or Nick finally incidence, I don't think it was either.
So he got got away from Triple Ah, got away
from that nazense and the evolution stuff, and had to
get himself together on his own and like you said,
I think it worked out in the long run.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
But do you have any more notes in the two
thousand and five or rumble.

Speaker 3 (02:06:48):
Let's see, I do notots all right?

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
That sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
That is our deep dive on a two thousand and
five or rumble, Nick, take us out with some plugs please.

Speaker 3 (02:07:02):
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and you can also follow me at pocone on Blue
Sky and I'm at pocone Nick on threads and you
can follow us on those platforms at Shooters Radio. We're
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Blue Sky. We're at Shooters Radio on Threads and Instagram.

(02:07:24):
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We're right there. You could also check out Philly Influencer.
I try and get these radio calls posted up there
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any of the Philly radio calls. If you're looking for those,

(02:07:46):
I'll try and have them at Filly influencer dot com,
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Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
All right, then, well check us out on all those platforms.
You can also check me out at Vaughan M. Johnson
on X. You can check me out at Vaughn dot
Johnson on Blue Sky. You can check us out on Patreon,
Patreon dot com, slash Shooters Radio. You can request a
future deep dive just like the one we just did
tonight on episode four seventeen. You can request a future

(02:08:19):
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slash Shooters Radio. But until next time for Nipplecone and
I'm Vaughan Johnson. Thanks for listening to episode four seventeen
of The Straight Shooters and we'll catch you again next week.

Speaker 3 (02:08:40):
Please, Hey Cramage, wake up the show on Oh Yeah,
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