420 Part 2: WWE New Year's Revolution '05 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome back to the Straight Shooters and welcome back to
part two of episode four to twenty of The Straight Shooters.
Part one ran so long that we decided to do
a sequel to episode four to twenty, and it is
our deep dive into the two thousand and five edition
of New Year's Revolution, the very first edition of New
Year's Revolution. It took place back on January ninth, two

(00:35):
thousand and five. It emanated from San Juan, Puerto Rico,
from the Colosseum, at least in the English translation translation
of this venue, the Colosseum of Puerto Rico Jose Miguel
Agrilo or the Jose Miguel Agrilo Colosseum in San Juan,
Puerto Rico, which is, again, for those who don't know,

(00:57):
not a different country from the United States, part of
the United States, United States and ex Puerto Rico, so
not technically an international show, and it is the biggest
indoor arena in Puerto Rico for that matter. It's also
the same venue that WWL Backlashing in twenty twenty three,
which of course, was headlined by a bad Bunny native

(01:20):
of Puerto Rico. The building opened not long before this
show September of two thousand and four. If you're wondering
who is Jose Miguel Aguilo, he is a famous comedian
in Puerto Rico. He was a famous comedian in Puerto
Rico who died unfortunately in two thousand and four, but
he was most famously known as Don Cholito on the
radio and among his many characters, apparently according to radio

(01:43):
to the Radio Hall of Fame website, because he was
inducted into the Radio Hall of Fame, he developed about
two hundred characters during his career. In two thousand and three,
earned the Guinness World Record for the longest running active
radio show at the time. At the time time of
his death, the show was celebrating it's fifty fourth year

(02:03):
on the air, So there's that some background about the
venue on this night, though, fifteen seven hundred and sixty
four people were in attendance, accorded to good old Wikipedia,
which is never wrong. They got an exact number this time.
Never not like fifty four thy seven hundred something like that,
an exact number. So because we did the two thousand

(02:24):
and five World Rumble not that long ago, we kind
of know where we are in two thousand and five,
right like a little bit we were in the road
to WrestleMania, we talked about the War rumble, We're Batista won.
But this is before that. We're about twenty or so
days before that, where we're at New Year's Revolution trying
to count crown a world champion that has been vacated,

(02:48):
which I forgot all about it at this time, even
though they really feel like it was vacated because it
went right back to the person that was on before spoiler.
But you know, I don't need to talk about a
bunch of background about where we are in the show.
I don't know if you have a bunch of background
about where we are in life in two thousand and five.
But since we kind of talked about it not that
long ago, I feel like we're not that far off
where we were.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Like I'm here, Like I was Internet brained though at
this point, so I was not feeling anything really with
this storyline, this match, or anything like that, this main event,
but you know, looking back, it's probably one of my
favorite moments of the Ruthless Aggression era.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Well, of course, the match, the main event you're alluding
to is an elimination Chamber match for the vacant World
Heavyweight Championship. It would be Triple H Randy Orton, Batista,
Chris Jacho, Crispin Wah, Edge, Oh and Edge, I should say,
with Shawn Michaels as the special guest referee. So a
big match in the main event. But that is the

(03:54):
main event. The problem is there's the rest, the rest
of this show, which I've never watched. I've never watched
this show. I know of this main event. I don't
know if I've even watched this main event before. Honestly,
I don't recall watching this before the elimination Chamber. But
this rest of this show I know I didn't watch.

(04:17):
And look, I don't try to. I don't. I try
not to speak in hyperbole, you know. I try to
come with reason to takes. I don't. I'm not really
a person for hot takes necessarily, or cold takes, hot
takes that turn into cold takes. I try to come
with reason, you know, some critical thinking, some nuanced you know,
so you know it's not me to be like shouting
from the mountaintop some type of scorching hot take. However,

(04:41):
I don't speak hyperbolically when I say this because this
is how I genuinely feel this show has the worst
undercard I've ever watched in my life. And that's including
some of those mid nineties WWF shows that we've talked
about on the podcast, like the Word Rumble ninety four,

(05:02):
Survivor Series ninety four, of Vivor series ninety five, whatever
the case may be, in that time period, that new
generation time. This show is the worst because at least
that stuff was just bad. It's just bad. This stuff
was not only bad, it was also like downright offensive

(05:23):
and appalling to watch at times.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I definitely know what was offensive. I think a lot
of it had to do with bad luck.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well some of it. I would say that I will
give give them the benefit of the doubt, and that
ww did run into a couple a couple of instances
of bad luck, but even within those couple of instances,
there were some very problematic things happening within Also regarding that,
like not only did the injuries happen, but under problematic circumstances.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Right right, the injuries is what I'm alluding to. With
the bad luck, we we'd think there was at least
one area which I think totally, I totally forgot how
bad it was because I'm I'm here for this show.
I'm watching it live ordered on pay per view, but

(06:15):
I'm really here for one match, so anything else like
I'm just watching like whatever, I don't really care. And
you know, it didn't start off too well, and then
the second match didn't really go that well, and.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Then we're going to talk about it, We're going to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Other stuff came out, and I'm like, oh man, I
would well, if it was today, they would have put
the elimination chamber match first, like the way they the
way they run things now, so we had a way.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
The undercard had two dehabilitating injuries, like extensive injuries, serious injuries,
and it's over for that. The Young Lady Curtains put.
But that was that was the first two matches, and
you would think like, Okay, you know, it can't go
any worse than this. Too serious injuries in the first
two matches, and then it somehow got worse after that.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think they were spooked. They were like, all right,
let's not do.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Now. Somehow it got worse. They're not even talking about
the wrestling. I'm talking about just the contents.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Overall, it was.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So bad and we're going to talk about it on
this here deep dive into That's crazy New Year's Revolution
two thousand and five. Uh, we're going to start the show.
We're going to talk about just you know this, the
stage and the setting and stuff like that. The stage
wasn't much to it. They had some big screens and

(07:44):
some Puerto Rican flags so and some fake trees and
fire and dragons. Why did why did did the dragons
do anything?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Though?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I love it, Puerto Rico dragon got Puerto Rico got
dragoned New Years? What does that have to do with anything? Dragons?
New Year? Is that? Okay? I didn't know dragons to
do with the New Ye I know, they're they're part
of the lunar New Year calendar. Chinese recognizes that, though
not American, so who cares. That's how they look at it. Well,

(08:15):
they looked at it. Maybe they still do well, well,
we'll see, but we'll see the.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, it was what I think the first pay per
view outside the Continental US in quite a while as well.
I know they go to Canada, but I mean like
Puerto Rico was like we hadn't seen a w W
or w W show because they're w W now in
Puerto Rico. So I remember being like Jones for that
be like, oh, like I wonder you know how it

(08:45):
would if it would feel or look any different, And
didn't really look any different.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
But they brought in some trees, man, that's true.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
And it was a raw pay per view, so you
had the commentator, you know, by the stage, which I
did enjoy.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Here. They also had vignette at a resort too. Don't
forget those. I just not forget that those were important
to have on the show. But before we get into
all that nonsense, let's talk about the main event. Let's
talk about the best match of the night. Okay. Also,
by the way, I for my format, and you might
have your normal one. I switched it up. I did

(09:24):
match the night, but I pretty much had put everything
else into the worst matches of the night because it
all must be talked about. And then we got some
worst non wrestling happenings and some random thoughts. But boy
or boys, a lot to talk about on the undercard.
But let's start off the match of the night.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
You do wonder why Eric Bischoff welcomed us to New
Year's Revolution right before the main event. Yeah, maybe that's
when it started.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Goofy, which was also found Goofy. Also no sponsor for
the show Raw Presents. Where is that money? Who would
want to sponsor this garbage though? I wouldn't want to
put my name on this product. Hell no. Maybe on
the main event, the Elimination Chamber again for the vacant

(10:07):
World Heavyweight Championship, Triple AH, Randy Orton, Batista, Chris Jack
or Crispin wat and Edge with Sean Michaels as a
special guest referee. Uh, pretty much, the story of the
match is Batista and Triple H. But what's running around
in Batista's head? What's rattling around? And there right before
the match, we pretty much get a hntsom word he's thinking,

(10:29):
and he well, he pretty much says it. He said, look, man,
I'm gonna help you. He's talking to Triple As when
I say this, I'll help you. You know what I'm saying.
I got your back. But like As, let's say you
get eliminated before me, I'm winning that title. You know
that's how it's gonna be. And they were like, what,
we didn't even consider that possibility. But it's like taller

(10:50):
Daga Knights is like if you win, But how can
I win? You can't win. I gotta win. Cayl Notton's like,
maybe I finished first every once in a while, and
Bricky Bobby's like, but if you win, I can I win.
That's that's what Triple Ah was doing in that. In
that segment, we start off with Chris Jericho and Chrispinoit.
I forgot that I was only go from here on

(11:10):
out and they have a wrestling match. I guess Triple
H is in next. I did love hearing the fans
count down in Spanish. That was a nice not a
nice touch. That's their native language, that's how they speak,
but it was nice to hear. It's nice change of
pace as far as what we usually hear, which is
English typically typically on these shows. At one point, Triple

(11:31):
A tossed Crispin while Chrispanoit into the cage busted them open.
It wasn't the only one to be busted open in
this match. There's a lot of blood, bloody chamber, shocking, Yeah,
appalling maybe the something but not me that was all
that was all right. There's way more appalling things on
this show than a little bit of blood here and there.

(11:52):
Edge came in after chrisp after Triple h Uh, and
he catapulted Jericho and Triple h into the steel, causing
him both to bleed. Well, Trip blas a little bit,
but then he bled a lot more later on. Just
don't worry. He got his two. Randy Orton comes out next,
uh and he you know, he's a house of fire.
He beats everybody up, and at one point Edge mistakenly

(12:14):
spears Shawn Michaels man oh Man. Edge spears Randy Orton,
but Shawn Michael is still down, like just like blaiting
right now, you're a finisher man, Like yeah, back for background.
Edge and Shawn Michaels are having a beef right now.
Edge try to get Shawn Michaels removed for and get
himself removed from the chamber because he thought Sewn Michaels

(12:35):
wouldn't be an impartial referee. I guess he turned out
to be right. At the end of the day. He
was promoked Sword. I mean, Edge did rough up HPK
to try to revive him, and he didn't slap him
in the face, but that's something that happens sometimes you
try to revive somebody, give him a quick slap in
the face. O heay, wake up, bro, do your job.
Just shake them. You don't need to slap in the face.

(12:57):
Sometimes you gotta give him a slap in the face.
Shawn Michaels took offense of that and super kicked Edge,
which allowed Chris Jericho to pin Edge for the first elimination.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Of Sime that pop.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
That crowd was into it. I loved it was this
I think for a lot of things in the show,
even though the show was terrible overall, but there's a
couple of other instances on the show where I was like, man,
they're into this, so yeah, I mean, that's that's part
of the reason why you do the shows and other
places that you don't normally do the show because they
don't get shows very often and they're very excited. They're

(13:29):
usually a very involved crowd. Again, Puerto Rico, not International's
other places, all right, other places. At one point, Benoit
does a headbud from the top of one of the
pods onto Triple H which was tough to watch in hindsight,

(13:50):
but that's what he was doing at the time. Jargo
Sweet Mother of God. At the witnessing that Jericho and
ben wa then locking a Walls of Jericho slash cross
face combo on the Triple H just as the clock
started taking down for Batista into the match, Like the

(14:11):
timing was just impeccable, like unbelievable. How could that happen?
That that that perfect? Maybe they maybe they flipped it
that way, maybe they maybe, I mean he did. He
got in adjusting time and kills everyone but Triple H.
He sees Triple H and it's.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Like, I'm in killer mode. You're on my way and
then he and Day goes, what you're gonna do? Now, Bista,
you want to be the man, you want to be
the world champion.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I'll tell you, j R got me hyped. I was watching.
I was like he was on a roll at this point.
He was like him more so in this era than
some of the attitude are because just he he.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Was a character at this point, because you know, Bischoff
was messing with him, Triple As was messing with him,
so like it's.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Sean was messing with him. Yeah, we'll talk about it
about it, but it.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Was like his passion coming through, like Batista, you know,
like I loved it.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I didn't look I didn't appreciate it then because I
didn't think the future was Bautista at the time. I
was just like, like, whatever, I appreciate it now.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I'm glad you appreciate it now. Jr. Was yeah, still
about two thousand and five. I would say he was
still in this prime Aista. He was great. Uh but yeah, Jr.
Talks about Batista. Batista doesn't get a chance to do
anything about Triple as though. He gets beat up by
other people, but then he retaliates by tossing Chris Jericho

(15:54):
into a cameraman. We apologize, We apologized to the family
over a cameraman. They opened the chamber to get him out,
but no one came in as.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, for some reason, I was expecting Edge to come,
like beat up Shawn Michaels again or something. But you know,
because I had watched this match, I hadn't watched this
match or show and like decades now, so yeah, twenty
years man crazy, But yeah, I was kind of surprised,
like nothing happened when the door was open.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, obviously referring to the first ever hell in a
Cell match with a cameraman, and it wasn't laid out
by I guess it was Shawn Michaels, right or something
like that, and then he just kicked him. Yes, and
then basbok Man apologizes to the family fake sad, was.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Like it was just Jim Ross, so like, oh, it's
got a family, damn it.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
And then then's coming in. We apologize and that opened
the door for man for a trip for them to
get out the cage. This time in the chamber. That
didn't happen, and even though somebody got in, it wasn't
the result of this incident. It's another incident later in
the match. So the cameraman is knocked down, he's injured.
To get him off the cage, but Batista he's still

(17:18):
on the rampage, so he slams Chris bin Wa Benoit
and then he's lying there. He's like, come here, Chris Jeracker,
I'm gonna do something else, and it takes Chris Jericho
and slams him on top of Benoit. Spinebuster right yes
to spine bundas back to back, loved it Spinebusters and
then pins Benoit to send him packing, and then Batista

(17:41):
sends Jericho packing by it number a Batista palm. So
Batista's running roughshot and Triple A's giving a thumbs up.
He's loving it. He's like, this is my guy. Man,
he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. So now
it's down to Triple H, Batista and Randy Orton, or
what I like to call New Year's Evolution. As you

(18:05):
see what I did there, I'll be man, I I'm
good with words. Man. It took off the r and
that was it. Boom, that's it, off the top of
the dome. That's all we need. Baby.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
The current version of Evolution beat on Randy Orton for
a while, but Randy Orton kept kicking out of pen attempts. Somehow,
they never talked about like what would happen if they
eliminated Randy Orton though, like with Batista, would have had
to lay down? Or would you know what would have
to happen when they fight it out? Never said, Never
got to that point though, because Orton eventually fought back

(18:37):
and hit Batista with an r K O and pinned
him one, two three, while Triple H, slimy behind, sat
in the background just watched it happen and they got
a great shot though, I'll give them credit, a great
shot of being pinned by Triple H. And you see
Triple A's about the stand up, and he goes, nope.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I watched this live and I was like that, no good,
Like then you knew, like he's he stood up, he
was about to go save him.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
He's like, no, what, like.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
We get him out of the way.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's just me and Randy. And Batista is unaware of
this though, because he doesn't know that.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
He doesn't watch the show's back apparently.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well not yet. You know, at the time, No, we're
talking about this on this night, right, he doesn't know
what happened on this night, even though eventually, yeah, he
could have got a copy of the show and just
watched it back, could have watched the replay. Nobody, Batista,
Triple Ah, he was about to save you and then
he didn't. Nobody sent an email. Nobody Batista had to

(19:44):
have like a WW email or some sort they had
website still back then, right, he could have sent them
like a some type of message to the inbox.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I don't know Batista at W dot com.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
W W Corp dot com or like that, and then
you know he's sending to him deep Batista, Triple H
is grimy he's shisty, don't mess with him.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
And love on.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I don't think he could included screenshots. No, you couldn't
do that. I did not do that back then. But
it's dear Batista, Triple H. It's a grimy ball the end.
That's it. Grimy uh. But Batista's gone and now it's
down to just Randy Orton and Triple H. Flair. As

(20:30):
Batista is leaving, Flair gets into the chamber and distracts
Triple H. That allows Batista to hit Randy Orton. Because again,
Patiza don't know that Triple A didn't save him, so
he's just like, all right, I'm still help out my
man's he he hits Randy Orton. Triple Ah is capitalized
very slowly, by the way, this took forever, which I
did not understand. But Triple Ah capitalizes, hits a pedigree,

(20:54):
and wins the match to once again become World heavyweight
champion again. It was his title before it got vacated,
even and then they gave it right back to him.
I'm sure Triple Ah' is like, but the story, but
in reality, he's like, I just want another world title
run add another number to that. Now when we had twelve.

(21:15):
I think it was like ten or eleven at this
point or something like that. I just added another number
to that real quick. So whatever, here we are, Triple
H once again world heavyweight champion. You have overall thoughts
on this.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Loved it, didn't appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
At the time. I didn't think Batista was the guy.
Like he proved me wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
So I wasn't like on the Batista train because I
thought it was just gonna turn out to be another
Randy Orton thing. You know, Randy Orton fizzled out, uh quickly.
I don't think anyone was ready for his face turned anyway,
and then it just fell flat on his face. And
I was like, well, with Triple H called the shots,
same thing is gonna happen with Patista. Luckily it didn't,
But in this timeframe, I was kind of like annoyed

(21:56):
by just Triple H in general. And I was so
like into the message boards at this time, so we're
all like annoyed that Triple H vacated, had the title
vacated just so he could add another rain to his
you know, career stats. And I remember thinking like, oh,

(22:19):
this is terrible, terrible, and not thinking that they were
building the Triple H of Batista because there was an
episode of Raw and I just don't remember if it
was before this or after this where the whole episode
of Raw was like I guess the opening segment it
was like Batista and Triple H like butting heads, and

(22:40):
then it came to a head and they at the
end of Raw they were gonna like fight each other,
and then they were like they get face to face
and Triple Ah just like good job man, and they
like hug and everything, and you know, it's whatever. It's like, oh,
it's gonna be one of those things that Batista's never
really gonna be the that beats Triple Ah. She's never

(23:01):
gonna be like a babyface. It's just this BS And
I just can't remember it was before this or after this.
But yeah, I mean I was wrong because they eventually
did pull the Trader Batista and WrestleMania. So I wish
in the moment I would have appreciated this more than
I did, but obviously I can't take that back now.

(23:24):
Looking back in terms of pro wrestling storyline, I love it.
You see like the hints every week, but in that time,
like they're not giving you what you want. Yeah, Like
we had Eddie Guerrero and the Annoyed as champions to
be her prior, but then like it went away like
that and just didn't think it was like, Okay, this

(23:47):
is this is what it is. Triple Ah is calling
the shots, He's gonna be the champion forever, blah blah blah,
and it just it was so annoying. It was so
annoying at this time. I was just so annoyed watching everything.
Even when Batista won the Rumble, I was like, I
don't see it. I still don't see it. It really

(24:08):
wasn't until but his heels his face turn. It was
like maybe a week or two before that, I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
They are going to go.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I think the Hints just slapped me in the face
and I was like, oh, yeah, they're clearly doing this
and I don't I'm not gonna let the internet that's
his boards like take over. I was like, oh, okay, yeah,
they're definitely doing Triple H and Batista. But I think
that's when I started getting on board with everything, and
you know, rewatching this match, I definitely rewatched it and
I was just like, man, that tripleation in the background

(24:38):
standing up and falling back down, not saving Batista. It
was like so much good pro wrestling story between Triple
H and Batista for a few months, and I just
wish in the moment I appreciated that more. But it
really wasn't about Chris Jericho, Annoy's, anyone else edge what

(25:00):
it was. Even Norton like, it wasn't about him. It
was about Triple H and Batista the whole time. And
I do appreciate that now.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I think I'm with you as far as not
appreciating it that much at the time. I watched this
show though, and you know, we got hindsight now and
you can see like, yeah, they clearly clearly were you know,
looking at Batista to be the next to be the
person to be Triple H. Also, the fans were into Batista.
He had like a presence, he had like an order
about him that you just you know, couldn't unless you

(25:30):
were just trying to deny it. You couldn't deny it
if you were really an objective observer. Even watching the show,
it's like, yeah, yeah, I can see it. Yeah, they
were positioning him and the people were responding accordingly. So
uh in hindsight, again, no surprise that he was the
person that was given the ball, but I can understand
if that kind of snuck up on you and you're
just like, I don't know, man, because we had also

(25:51):
been kind of conditioned to see Triple AHOs win all
the time, so you know, you almost like, well, this
end and it didn't feel like an obvious person coming
up outside of maybe Sena that was like, all right,
that's the guy to the throne. Triple Ah. Batista was
kind of like a like personally kind of developed late,
like a late bloomer, Like even in two thousand and four,
they weren't really like positioning him to be that person.

(26:12):
It wasn't really until two thousand and five hit like
around this time where they started showing you like, yeah,
he he might be the person you want to pay
attention to. Not Orton, not Edge, not Sean Michaels or
Benoit's or whoever, it's Batista. Okay, yeah, he's huge, so
it makes sense like all that, you know, and he
had the intensity, He had this charisma about him that

(26:36):
made sense giving you know, his inexperience and just his character.
He fit the role well and he had explosive offense too, so.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
He was getting better on the mic, Like you see
these backstage segments and his timing. Yeah, just the way
he delivers you know, those lines you like believe him
and he's like, you know, just kind of like laughing
a little bit, slapping chest, be like man like we're good,
we're good. But again, you know if you're not, if

(27:06):
you lose, then nothing's stopping me. And it's just the
way he delivers it, and you're like, okay, like I
believe him, you know, like it's not a character saying
a line like, it's I believe him. And that was
refreshing at the time because there wasn't a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah and lo and behold, Batista is one of probably
the best wrestler turned actor ever, like as far as
acting talent and in the types of movies and the
acclaim that his movies have done, have gotten and received. Uh, yeah,
you can make that case for sure. I Mean, the
rock is obviously the most famous, in the most well

(27:43):
known and probably I'm sure the most you know, money
makings wrestler turned actor, and he clearly is highest pace
celebrity actor in Hollywood I think still but Batista for
the types of movies he's done, the type of roles
he's had, more versatility and better films than the Rocks catalog.
I don't think I'm speaking out a term when I

(28:05):
say that, I think Batista is a tremendous actor, a
lot more range than say, any wrestler period. Any wrestler
has had as much acting range as Batista. Uh, Roddy
Piper was pretty good, but obviously it doesn't has didn't
do it on this high of a level as Baptista has,

(28:26):
But I don't know if he had the range that
Batista has. I think I feel comfortable saying that, even
though there's a lot of good wrestlers turned actors, but
I feel comfortable saying that Patista is probably as far
as acting chops the best, and so it's no surprise
to see him here. And he's got that timing, he's
like that that delivery and that charisma about him that works,
and that's, like you said, believable. Oh yeah, that makes

(28:46):
sense because he's also a good actor. So uh but yeah,
Elimination Chamber, the lone positive on this show, the one
beacon of hope on this show of a good product,
was that match and the story within that match, But
there's the rest of the show.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
And maybe we should have done a live commentary.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
We'd have been here for five hours talking about this.
We'd been pausing and stopping and starting and stuff like that.
But instead, this is where we're gonna start. We're gonna
start with for me, the worst matches of the night,
which I believe for me is literally every other match
on the show. Yeah, like every other match. Now the

(29:39):
tag match, granted, is not. It's just so here's the deal.
Let's start. Let's talk about it all right. Start off
the show. The first match on the show for the
World Tag Team Championship, we have William Regal and Eugene
going against Christian and Tyson Tomco. Now, on the surface,
ain't nothing wrong with that, but let's talk about Eugene

(30:00):
bro We're You've got a person who's not special needs,
not on the spectrum in anyway, playing a character that is.
That's already problematic. But in two thousand and five, people
didn't talk about that as much, and those types of
roles were being handed out everywhere in Hollywood. I mean,

(30:21):
I feel like I just watched like the trailer of
a movie on like Amazon, you need to go through
Amazon Prime or something like that, and you see the
trailers of movies and I just saw one just like that,
and it was like embarrassing to watch for that actor.
They like were they try to win an Oscar with
this role or something, And we see movies like that
at this time as well, and so much that I
think Tropic Thunder like made a character like a trope

(30:44):
about this character like Mien in Tropic Thunder. I don't
know if you've seen that.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Dude, I've watched it, but like I fell asleep on
it and I never rewatched it.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So but they made fun of the fact that the
these roles are being handed out. We're being handed out
in Homer That okay, and here's Eugene doing the same thing. Granted,
Eugene was over but gonna be wrong despite the probably
you know, the problem bag nature of his character, especially

(31:12):
because it wasn't just that he was I guess, for
lack of a better term, on a spectrum, I guess
they made fun of him on commentary and he heals
relentlessly made fun of Eugene. Now, granted he overcame that
to win Tag Team Gold and the people loved Eugene honestly,
he was over. He was he was big over and

(31:36):
he was a good Wrestlernick Dinsmore. But it's still just like, yeah,
I feel great. People don't even know what a spectrum
was back then, right right.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I remember thinking, like my two thousand and five mindset
was like I like it because like it's showing him succeeding,
Like yes, like it's pro wrestling, so that's gonna happen
because a because he wins in the end, I don't
mind it.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
It just didn't really happen and.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Like, yeah, he won the TIGE titles or whatever, but
they never gave him that extra And I don't know
if it's you know, crowd reaction slowed down or what like,
I can't I don't remember what happened after this, if
he even came back and was there for an extended
period of time or just came back and left, like
I remember he was released at some point after this.

(32:31):
So it just it wasn't what I thought it could
be and in making it like a feel good thing.
But again, like I was giving Evince way too much
credit at the time as well.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's just the problematic part of it for me was
that you do this, but you don't have a person
who's actually on the spectrum to do it. Yeah, you know,
there's a story to tell potentially if you got a
person who's you know, actually you know, on the spectrum
and then they but they know how to wrestle and
people maybe doubt them, not necessarily make fun of them.

(33:09):
That's different. You know. What I'm saying, what Jr. Was
on on commentator is making fun of Eugene, but people
doubt them, and because that's what happens in reality, right,
and then they overcome the odds and they prove the
doubters wrong. There could be something there. But when you
have somebody who's not actually on the spectrum doing it
and then you have people make fun of that person,

(33:32):
it just it just doesn't help me.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know, No, definitely not you know back then.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Man, It's like, uh, you know, I still it still
felt weird. But it's like if if they triumph and
maybe Vic Densmore is a character that helps you know,
open doorways, you know, like that type of thing just
didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
It didn't happen, and I don't think it was ever
that was ever the intention neither true.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Now we like we definitely know that now, and but
we I think we were hoping to know five, like
even O four, because he had been there a long
time at this point almost I think, probably longer than
a year or a year because he had like a
feud with Triple H and everything.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
And I do remember the four, rememberhen they got in
the Bounty House together to have a conversation. I'll never
forget that Triple Ah jumps into Bounty House in his
wrestling gear with Eugene, but.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Because he like and they totally beat up Eugene or
like because they were using him or whatever. And then
Eugene comes and gets his revenge during that Ironman match
that Triple H had with Chris ben Will on Raw
and Eugene was the one that came and like did
Triple H with a chair I think or something like that.
Chris ben Wil winds up winning, Eugene's like celebrating and

(34:49):
the crowd's going nuts, and it was more about Eugene
than you know, Chris ben Wah at that point. But
I liked it because to me, I was like, oh,
like people are accepting people like Eugene, but you know,
two thousand and five, I'm young and stupid.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I just I didn't know what I mean. There's nothing
wrong with feelings. That's what I thought the big picture was,
and it clearly was not. There's nothing wrong with feeling like, oh,
people like Eugene feel like my better tad are accepted,
which is that I think again, if done right, could
be good. That's not what we got, though, I don't

(35:23):
think that was ever the actual intention. I knocked over
a spoon too, and I've heard that my bad. So Eugene,
he's in this match and he's super over. He's just
this hawk Hogan and hulks up and gets a bigger
pop than Hogan did. It's oh, I believe his politics

(35:47):
sergers are the same, which kind of sucks. I feel
like I've heard that too, but uh, oh well that's
still funny, really funny. Yes, yes, uh speaking of babyfaces, uh,
William Regal is a babyface here. Yeah, he came around
about it. I thought about, yes, which was that was

(36:10):
some character growth I guess for William Regal. But how
many times has Regal been a baby face in his
career when he's an active wrestler because when I was
watching his match, he was working like a baby face
and it was jarring for me to see. Right, I'm
used to see him would be more methodical, more you know, heelish.
In this one, he was flying around, jumping around making
it safe for you. Gene is like, what this man

(36:31):
babyface William Rigal kind of rules. I loved it at
the time.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I was like, yes, like because we again you said it.
It was like it felt like the first time. He
may have done it before, but I mean I just
knew him in w C w is the heel came
over as a heel and tof and then w W
and it's just he's a commissioner and he's always been
a heel, so.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
He wasn't He's a man that wasn't a babyface giving it.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't at all.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's hilarious, but I don't remember which side of the
baby face heel ledger it was going because it was
so ridiculous. But so yeah, that was that was an
interesting sight to see. Uh, Regal will be a babyface
like that and fight, you know, wrestled with fire, you
know what I'm saying. Get the crowd involved and stuff.

(37:25):
Like that. But at one point, one point, I should say,
we wand back Rego got busted open somehow, like his
nose looked like and I couldn't tell where it happened,
like he got hit in the face or something, and
then he was just gushing. But it didn't nothing stood
out to me. It's when it happened. But I guess
it happened at some point. But we got a more

(37:45):
serious injury coming because Eugene gets the hot tag and
goes to town on his opponents Christian and Tyson Tomco.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Then the one thing Eugene can't do, it's a move
he did well.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
He's a wrestler, so drop kick is a normal move
in wrestling. Supposedly his drop kick, though I don't look,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
They did better drop kicks on tough enough.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Damn, that's tough, bro. It's tough because Eugene tries to
drop kick when he hits the drop kick, but when
he hits the mat, he immediately grabs his left leek,
left knee and looks to be in serious pain and
he's grabbing it and not letting go, and everybody else
standing around like what do we do now? Meanwhile, Regal

(38:33):
is lying off to the side in a bloody heap
because his face is busted open. And now we got
Eugene writhing in pain on the mat and Christian and
tom coo A is like, oh okay, well, we gotta
figure something out, and they did. Eventually they figured out
a salvageable finish that involved Eugene rolling up Tomco for

(38:54):
the wind. We have to do that.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Look like when a guy blows out his for tom
Co man having to sell that is brutal. Why can't
you make a tag to Regal and then just have
Regal do something?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Regal was lying over there bloody too.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Okay, get up, get up and get the tag. Like look,
maybe Regal could do the roll up. He could definitely
do a roll up better than Eugene in his state.
I guess that's that's the stone cold roll up with
a stinger.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
It was like so bad, yeah, but I guess the
The plan was for Eugene to get the pen to
begin with, yeah, and they just.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Kind of get the pin when his pateller tenon is
five yards away, I get.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
You five yards one. Speaking of yards, see, they trying
to get a they get an electronic.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Chain game next year yea, or is that just first downs?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I don't know. I didn't look into smart measure. I
think it's like the measuring Yeah, for like in the
chain gang is going to be used as a backup apparently, Yeah,
and we got robo umps and baseball. I was part
of a chain gang, so I enjoyed. H Yeah. It's
very much an inexact science, though. I feel like if
you're a billion dollar company, you should probably figure out

(40:07):
how to get that right. You're a high school football association,
I get it. He used the chain gang D three
or D two? He used a chain gang d NFL.
Come on, let's do better. Back to wrestling, though, Uh.
Eugene rolls up Tomco for the win. They did the
best they could, and as soon as the match ended,

(40:27):
multiple officials surrounded Eugene because he was hurt. He was
still hurt after this match, an invisible pain, and eventually
Eugene was diagnosed with a torn patella tendon or patella
ligament tendon, either one, and he missed the next six months.
It was pretty unfortunate for him, though, because despite the
controversy controversy surrounding his character, he was still over, and

(40:53):
unfortunately for Eugene slash Nick Dinsmore, he never got that
momentum back and he was eventually released. So just an
unfortunate day in his career. In life, I would assume
this face right, he's finished. What do you think about this, Eugenie,
tell us about your career. It's over now. Curtains could

(41:13):
put Donzo Gonzo. But the match itself was good, I
will give it that, and the fans were into it.
It just sucks to how it ended. But so that happens. Okay,
But let's move on to the second match of the night.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
All right, clean Slate Trician leader, I mean, who better?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Right? We had an unfortunate accident near the near the
end of a match, a good match. Unfortunate though, there's things,
the things happen, you know. It ain't ballet folks, as
they say, even though ballet is also very physically taxing.
I don't know why they say that. Ballet dancers go
through a lot, but it's a physical sport. People can
get hurt sometimes. So let's move on to a couple

(42:06):
of future Hall of famers. For the women's championship, they
just had the name of v not that long ago.
Remember that and they man, they tore that up. Man,
that was like a monumental moment for wrestling and women's wrestling.
I should say, right, but before before we get into
the match itself, this story bad Trish Stratus and Leader

(42:34):
was and always will be appalling. And I don't say
that lightly now. Granted I was watching back then, just
like you were. I was fully aware of what I
was watching. I guess I was a teenager, so I
remember this more. I shouldn't say that because I don't
remember this story, maybe because I was just a teenager
and I just didn't know any better. But I there's

(42:54):
a lot of things about this time period. I just
kind of tuned out, I think because it just wasn't
that good. But I was still watching. I still remember
watching that main event from Rauden I just mentioned. I
remember watching this time period, but this story did not
capture me as a teenager, for reasons I could not
explain back then, but I can tell you now did
not capture me as an adult. And I can fully

(43:15):
tell you why because in storyline we have Leader, who
is in storyline was a victim of sexual assault. Right
off top, this is a year long story where Cain stalks,

(43:38):
kidnaps and involuntary and impregnates leader. Voluntarily impregnates her. There's
a word for that right up there. There's a word
from what I'm describing. I don't want to use it
because you know, trigger warning, and well we could use it.
It is what it is. But you know what I'm saying,

(44:01):
voluntarily impregnates her. That's outrageous stuff. Bro, I can't believe
they even considered that to be a storyline. He's committing
a Oh, I can't believe it a crime, not like
assault assaults happen in wrestling or even theft. This is
traumatic stuff. We're talking macho man. No no, no, no, no,

(44:23):
no no no. So then she not only so, she's
a sexual assault victim. She gets i'mpregnated by this guy boom.
Then she's pregnant, but then she loses the baby she
miscarries in story, of course, that's like triple quadruple trauma
off top for this character. So what do we do.

(44:46):
Let's add more trauma by having Tristratus mock her for
being pregnant and then losing the child. That's absurd. How
she lost, how she carried we'll talk about that later,
because that's equally absurd as absurd. That's what's going on here.

(45:08):
And I get that Tricias being the heel blah blah
blah stuff. Oh you've got to be a bad guy.
But if we had to resort to this to make
believable heels, we should get somebody else in with him,
like ideas.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I would like roll my eyes at this because it's like,
to me, they're they're out of that as whatever, right,
So when I'm watching, I'm like, oh, they're trying too
hard to be added to BS thing, and I'm just
like tuning it out, not even taking it seriously. And
maybe I should have been in the other direction, like
taking it too seriously and you're a teenager?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Are they doing well a teenager? And there's no, you
don't know so social media, you know, it was twenty Yeah,
I was twenty so yeah, then we're a teenager.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I'm just yeah, nineteen twenty so yeah, I was still
in that teenage mindset. I didn't grow up till I
was like twenty five. You know a lot of people,
you know, people say your brain doesn't fully develop until
you're twenty five. So I can honestly pinpoint, like the
transition when I was like twenty five years old, what
I you know, beginning of my year versus the end

(46:16):
of my year, how different my thought processes were, and
how I quote.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Unquote got it.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
So yeah, when I'm like nineteen twenty years old, I'm
just I'm not taking it seriously because I didn't like it.
I was just like anything that entertained me, like I'd
be like, yeah, like sweet, but like this stuff I
just ignored.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I think that's I did the same thing in hindsight
because I was sixteen, and yeah, I de said it
didn't like Trician Leda, right, but the story did nothing
for me back then. But I didn't I don't remember
objectively hating it neither. It's just like you said, I
just probably just ignored it and focused on stuff that
I actually liked. But in hindsight, who man not turn

(47:00):
the TV off of this?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Right? It's like I feel like maybe in our mindset's
like ignoring it shows more than either hating it or
loving it, because if you're ignoring it, then there it's
going to go away, like they're not going to try
it again.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
And the problem was I was still watching, so it
wasn't like I was tuning out all of it. I
was still watching wrestling. So I'm still contributing to exactly
what they were doing, and I guess giving them justification
as to why it worked because my TV was on.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Even though I don't like it and I'm like not
watching it, it still logs that I'm if I'm a
Nielsen house, I guess exactly still logs that I'm watching it,
so right, and they're hitting the target demographic.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's not like we had apps.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Our phones weren't the way they are now, like we're
if it's on, it's on exactly. I might be on
the computer, but my TV is still on.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And as I've said many times in this podcast, we
talked about the Attitude era and how oh things were
a little controversial and miscue, but you thought the attitude
there was bad. Things got worse than the ruthless aggression.
I've said this many times, and this show is prime
example as of how things got way worse after because
the same old tropes they were relying on in the

(48:10):
Attitude or they were kept relying on them, but they
were doing them worse because they lost sight of how
it worked, why it worked people kind of moved past
it neither so, and they realized it because the ratings
started going down, the tendants started going down, every metric
started declining a little bit. So they started taking desperate
swings to remain relevant. And now when you do that,
now you're hitting very controversial buttons. You're trying to do

(48:33):
anything to get some type of attention on the product
and to stay relevant despite all the metrics saying that
interest in your product is waning. So you're taking these
desperate swings, and now you have stories like this where
a woman is mocking another woman for being sexually assaulted
and involuntarily impregnated.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
That's and it's their only like angle in the women's division,
like that's everything else was the Evins stuff like this
is the only women's angle, Like it's almost it's almost
like you're like, why didn't they just say no, Well,
somebody else would have been.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
You would have been you know, you would have been
poolside and a vignette yeah, from earlier in the day,
just like the rest of the women's roster was.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Because I'm sure the women felt like, well, I'll do
it then if they won't.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Because that's the only way you would get on the
show is get on the show, make more money, get
more notoriety. So the power and balance everybody else says, oh,
you could just say no and then not make money.
I got paid bills, the bill collect They don't care
about my morals, bro, They care about the money. They
don't care about inflation, they don't care about what's you know,

(49:41):
rising costs, nothing like that. Give me my money, So
you gotta do what you gotta do. Unfortunately, it's like
that that uh.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Cost Co guys video. They're like, give me my money.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
I've seen that video a million times, those videos a
million times. Give me my to prank, give me my money.
The people are standing there looking around like what what
is it like? A more than one video? So yeah,
I guess it started with them. But the prank is
people going give me my money, and they go around
in a circle and then last person does it. And

(50:15):
usually when somebody does, they repeated, I think. But when
the last person does, they just look at him, look
at him like they're crazy, and it's like they go,
wait a second, what, why are chipping now? So that's
why I know that from.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I'm definitely not well TikTok okay, I just the Wriztler
was the first one. I was like, give me my money,
and I'm like somebody somebody probably got it from that, right,
I don't know. Somebody posted it was I'm going into circle,
you know, hey Jay, uh see how the guy's name whatever,

(50:49):
But they were going to the circle, and somebody had
posted that. When the Phillies were eliminated from the playoffs.
It's like me to the Phillies after I paid for
the and I'll see us in world serious tickets and
it's like, just give me my money, and I'm like,
I'm cracking up. I'm like, this is the best like
meme I've ever seen. I felt if.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Seen from the Wrizzler of ae W fame, it was
all of them, like the daughter, the mother. I know,
I'm just hilarious. I wonder if the Wristler is going
to be at a dynasty in Philly coming We'll see,
we'll see. But yeah, this this was bottom shelf bad

(51:31):
storyline and it got It's still, man, it's not the
only thing on the show that was just bottom shelf bad.
Connected in relation to this man. It probably gets worse
when it comes to Kane and Jean snisky, But we'll
talk about it. But as far as the match itself, right,
Trish and Leader could salvage all of that nonsense by
going in that ring and having another bagger, you know,

(51:54):
silencing the critics to getting the women get the shine,
they get the spotlight, they get the moment. They go
out there and do what they do best, and what
they want to do is wrestle and show people that
they can wrestle. And I remember Jyrd mentioning before the match,
like man It's Leader suffered a real bad neck injury
year ago, and I sure hope she don't take any
risks in this match. Pretty much as soon as the
bell rang, Lida jumps off the ring apron and does

(52:17):
a Lutha's press from the ring apron to Trista on
the floor, and when she lands on the floor, she
immediately grabs her knee. Then they showed a replays. Then
you saw the replay, he realized, oh, she might not
be selling yeah, cause her leg she didn't land right,
her leg got you know, caught up underneath her and

(52:39):
Trish h and it did not look good. But to
her credit, Leada kept working like she tried. She tried
to at least she was trying.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Meanwhile, Eugene was unable to even try. And I'm not
putting him down. I'm just saying, like you could see
like she's definitely not wanting the thing, but she couldn't.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah, she tried her best, man, she tried her best,
but uh, it didn't all go to plan clearly. She
eventually realized that she had suffered a torn a cl
but we didn't know that yet. Christtrad has worked the

(53:28):
leg somehow, even though I.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Was like, that's what makes you think, Okay, it's selling.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, and Leada, but meanwhile Leda couldn't even stand up.
She tried and it's like, no, I can't. Even though
she did get up to try to DDT. At one point,
I'm like, Okay, this is Brett Hart level selling. I
love it. She is a master at this. She is
so you would think she really tore her a cl
or something.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
But Chris quickly fought out of the DDT and then
hit the what they called the chick kick with I
don't think they use that terminology anymore because what makes
it a chick kick? It's a kick, all right, just
a kick, But she uses that kick to win the
match in the title.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
And the match is over very quickly because feel good
leader win from Rawle is put out the window and
after the match, Leada is carried out by the officials
and image looked diagnosed, like I said, with a torn
acl comes out. The young lady's career is over. I

(54:32):
tell you, kitans got put over with this is How
do you feel, Leada that your career is over? Super Bowl?
Running back down the aisle, Oh my god, somebody else
is hurt. How do you feel your career is also over?
What are you thinking right now? Tell me?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Do you have emotions now? Have you formulated thoughts? What
is your future entail? Tell me right now? So that's that.
So that's the second match of the night that went
really poorly. Okay, the first one ended poorly. This one
started poorly. Then we got two matches back to back
that just wasted a lot of time.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
They said, yeah, we're not gonna do anything. We are
not gonna risk ourselves.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
So what I think happened is because that match, the
last match, the women's match, ended early, WW sent Shelton,
Benjamin and Maven out there to kill lots and lots
of time and they definitely kills it. They definitely did.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
So.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
The next match is for the Intercontinental Championship. Two brothers
out there wrestling for the title, which I don't know
if it's ever happened before for the IC title, in particular,
Shelton Benjamin versus Maven, and like I said, they had
a bunch of time to kill, which meant Maven, the
heel in this instance, was now tasked with taking not
only an extended powder outside the ring. Before the match started,

(55:53):
he just kind of, you know, delays things and tells
the referee to back him up, back him up, ref
back them up, and then he gets in a microphone
it starts talking, which is like maybe it was good talent,
don't get me wrong, but like, let's talk in a
strong suit. I mean, he's a YouTuber now, so I
guess it is. But like back then, it wasn't the best,
but here he is. He's got to do what he
has to do. He definitely wasn't terrible. He did to

(56:16):
hit the best he could given the circumstances. I don't
blame him for what he did here. What he did though,
was speak very slowly English to the Puerto Rican fans
because they're not American seas and they don't even know
what he's saying. He kept saying that he didn't understand
them speaking right, not the native language Gibberish apparently, but yes,

(56:39):
he does this to one be a heel and also
to stretch for time. He then again yells at people
for speaking their native language, and then he said something
in Spanish and then threatens, and then they hated that,
and then he threatens to leave and face sheuting Benjamin
only in the United States. And then he's like walking

(57:00):
out very slowly and taking his time sounterning up the
aisle fans of board. Didn't they sing? No? They did
they sing to him yet on this one? Or did
they sing to somebody else?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I feel remember.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Either way, We'll get to that when we get to that.
Either way, he walks up the aisle very slowly, and
he making it. Oh they did sing goodbye to him? Yes, eventually,
but he walks out. He pretends to walk out, and
then he knows, you know what, I'm gonna do it
and he runs back to the ring and quickly gets
rolled up and loses.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
The time on this match is like over six minutes
technically from the second but the ND ring action was
three seconds, which I.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Mean that's six minutes. I'm sure was like that was
tritionan lee this time, because heaven forbid they get like
fifteen minutes. They probably only got like eight. So yeah,
they did a good job of killing six minutes. That's
what they had to do.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Maybe gets back on the mic like, oh man, I
ain't count No, we ain't gonna let that go down
like that, and he demanded an immediate rematch. The fans
then at this point saying that none song to him
and was singing goodbye to him, and then Mayben's like,
I'm gonna let's do it right now. You know what
I'm saying, you're punk, Shelton, don't be a punk about it.

(58:19):
And she was like, all right, let's let's do it,
cause let's let's let's get after it. And Maven runs
back into the ring for a second match at the
Icy title. Shelton catches him again, this time with a
t bone souplex and won the match again.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Mayvid buried buried.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
That's what I put down here, I said, So Mabon
is not a future champion. That's what I learned here.
You don't believe in him at all. He lost to
Sheldon Management twice in like thirty seconds. So there's that.
So that's why I included that here, not because of
how short it was and how much time it killed.
There's a reason for it. It's because of the previous
match that happened. So we're a we're in a badge

(59:03):
streak though, okay, three matches in the road. It's like,
that's tough. Before how do well, I'm saying, up until,
how do we salvage this?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
You know?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
No, for like, that was two matches right there? Oh yes, yes, sorry,
my bad, my bad, I miscounted my bad. That was
two matches between Shelting Benjamin and me. Even my fault.
That's my most of my apology. So how do we
salvage this? Though? From the first four matches.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
That were the perfect I got the perfect idea?

Speaker 1 (59:35):
What you got.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Jerry Lawler and Mohammed Hassan Oh hell oh no commentary?
Oh we are, We're gonna let the fans tell the
story before we get to I can't hear the fans
listens ado.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Before we get to that. Muhammed a Son spitting facts
in this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Promo before the Yeah, you know, like I'm saying that again.
I said before I thought the whole premise was that
he was speaking lies because we're not that type of country.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
But yeah, uh we I clearly was in that bubble
pretty much saying that like people from Puerto Rico should
understand him because they are treated like second class citizens
because they're not even an official state in this country,
which is true. And you know, we just annexed him,
and then I don't you know, then we you know,

(01:00:35):
obviously this is well before uh you know, this is
in hindsight now, so we can say these things in hindsight.
But you know, remember how things went down when Puerto
Rico had what was it a hurricane, real pat hurricane
down in a couple of years ago, and it was
you know, they were they were suffering down there, and
I don't know if we necessarily helped him out to
the extent that we should have as a country. But

(01:00:55):
you know, this two thousand and five is well before that.
But then he talked about all the it's a treatment
he's gotten since he arrived in San Juan, and the
people cheered, Yeah, people were happy. It's so wild. It's
so wild that everyone is positioned like this, And then
we get to the match and Jaya goes Mouhammed and

(01:01:16):
a sound doesn't represent a Rab Americans. Who the hell
gave j the license to say that? I know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I is he the authority on that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I like, Hey, Jim Ross from Norman, Oklahoma knows how
the a Rab Americans feel, the Arab Americans. He doesn't
know how they feel. How can he say that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Yes, a friend maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
One, But I don't think JR is necessarily authority, necessarily
the authority on Arab Americans in the United States. Well,
of course the United States the Arab Americans, but uh,
I don't. I don't know about that. And then somehow
WW put the Puerto Rican fans in position to tier

(01:02:04):
to cheer for Jerry, the King Lawler of all people,
Like this is the person they got to cheer for.
Why I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
This is Mohammed Hassan's paid perview debut and his first match,
I believe because he had debuted in November December. They
had like the vignettes and on TV. I believe he
debuted in December and it was like all Lawler was
like his first feud. So it's like this is his

(01:02:37):
first match, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Like, really, really, this is what happened. Also, really what happened?
There was no commentary doing this match, like Nick said earlier,
because JR left the commentary table to join King in
his corner. But WW didn't have anyone replace JR.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
No, in fact, they had someone else come out after.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
This match.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
We can at least have one voice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
For the viewers at home, it was bizarre. Maybe the
fans and arena probably didn't care because they don't you
don't hear the commentary in the aleena, but at home
it was really weird. They should have somebody come out there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I feel like, did they think just the fan reaction
was going to be loud and like, because you don't
make a decision like that, like based off nothing, right,
you're probably like, you know, we could send someone out there,
but we think this match will get a lot of
heat and the crowd will be into it, so let
them tell the story.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
And but what did not? I don't put them again
like they's Jerry Lawler. Though, even if you're right about
Muhammed acculating heat, he's had to go against somebody who's
they got they want to cheer for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, well, I guess they're building that halk match that
never happened.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Never happened.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
They had the WrestleMania promo, but that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Watching this in silence was weird. The fans and arena,
even sound board sounded bored. To be honest with you,
they did not have that fervor that maybe WW was expecting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
The rest holes were ridiculous, and that's part of it
where it's like, Okay, you had the camel clutch on
Lawler for like ten minutes. You're not hearing the crowd
even like get behind Lawler. They don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
It was it was, it was tough, It was tough Man.
And then, like you said, they had coach come out
to replace Jery King Lawler after the match, but like
I agree with you, they should have had him call
out to call the come out to call the actual
match itself. But the only positive here is that Muhammad
I sound one, he beat Jerry Lawler, So I guess
that's good. I mean, obviously, you know it didn't matter

(01:04:51):
in the long run, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Like he was, he was said to be the one
to beat Batista for the title later that year. Man
by that point I believe he was out. He was
off TV because the July fourth thing happened, and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Which was like that sucks because they told him to
do that and then they fired him as it was
his idea.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
So like I read, I guess the network didn't want
him on TV. So I mean instead of like repackaging
him or something, I mean they really couldn't at that point,
like his.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Career was what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
They did that to him, and it's not like he
could go to raw or anything, because he went from
raw to SmackDown. He remember like in the train Lottery
and they were cheering.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
On SmackDown. It happened on a table SmackDown and they
did they I don't know if they aired it, did
it't air?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Still, they aired it in the US, but it didn't
air in certain countries. I didn't definitely didn't air in
the UK, and there were a couple of other countries
that did not. I feel like that, but it aired
in the US.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I feel like I do remember watching that when it happened,
so I know exactly what you're talking about out But yeah,
that's that's tough, man, that's that's really wild stuff. But
the match happens muhammad Son wins and we move on. Fortunately,
uh uh, then we got to move on to I

(01:06:17):
guess the last of this just awful run of matches
with Caine versus Jene Snitsky, which, first off, before we
get into everything, I did love Jr. Going this one
will be ugly, just like many of coaches. Women damn

(01:06:37):
cooked him up real nice for no reason. What did Kane?
What did coach do? The Jr? On TV? He was
a heel. He was a heel with terrible theme music.
I hated his song. This song sounded so whack. But
you must have did something dacdly around this time to
get that, you know, shot just out of nowhere, you know,

(01:07:00):
de stray for no reason. But we're talking about christ
Stratus and Leada, But we can't leave out Kine from
this because he's the He's the biggest heel in this
whole story. But yet we're supposed to feel bad for
this guy. Let's recap again, So like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Are we looking at him as a sympathetic father figure?
Like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Let's recap again. He stopped kidnapped and involuntary impregnated Leada.
Didn't they get married? Too against her will as well. Yes, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I wonder I think it was Matt right that in
her in her interruptive So it makes me I felt like, Okay,
is this just a punishment for Lyda because of what
she did the Matt. But this was happening at least
when they were on screen together.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yes, Matt Hardy had matches against each other.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, I mean and then so yeah, I mean the
timeline is a little weird. It's like, why why think
of this? Why cook this up?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Man? Fire the chef? All right, so we get here
because what Caine with Snitsky, I should say, hit Cain
in the back with a steel chair, which caused him
to fall on top of a then pregnant in storyline Lida. Yeah,

(01:08:38):
this incident caused Leda to unfortunately again in storyline miscarry
she loses the bab.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Their second miscarriage storyline in what five years? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
What's the other one? Ronalds oh Man, I forgot about that. Yeah,
that's that's tough, man. That's tough traumatic stuff. Man, that
women actually go through, or pregnant people actually say, actually
go through. And man, that's tough stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
They sorted Brown because they blamed him for it, but
it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
That's just I just don't like stuff like this. Man,
it's too much trauma attached, not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Like a wrestling thing. You know, there's certain things like okay,
wrestlings for everyone, right, but not this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
This is heavy. This is heavy stuff that for one.
WWE also doesn't handle this stuff with care whatsoever. It's
not like they do it and they handle it with
care because you know, like this stuff isn't used in entertainment.
There's stuff, you know, there's people who have had these
issues and movies, television shows, reality shows even but sometimes

(01:09:39):
maybe not all the time. But it's handled better than this,
you know. It's not because of steel chair to the
back and the guy falls on him, and Caine didn't
blame Snitsky, never mind the fact that Kane was choking
Leader as he was hitting being hit in the back
with the chair.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
The w the universe blamed Snitsky, but he was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Choking Lida as it was happening, the pregnant lady that
he fell. He was choking her and Snisky rescued her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Here in the back. That's my Eagles fan, Jean Snisky
go Bert.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
The unfortunate circumstances that Kane fell on top of her.
But if anything, Snisky is a hero. I don't think
choking somebody is good for pregnancy neither. Let's not forget
she's pregnant against her will. Let's not forget that. So
if anything, again, Sniskey is let's commend. Let's give salute

(01:10:38):
to Snisky for helping Lida, who also turned on Snisky. Dan,
How do you write that? How do you write that
Lida is delivering the messages for Caine like my husband's
gonna come back and beat you out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
How did Lida and Kane get closer from that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
What? However, how do they ever find common ground on
anything that's man? How could you put the audience in
that position? And the audience bought in because they rooted
for Cain. But just the fact that you wrote that

(01:11:21):
it had made Cain a babyface. Kin should have never
been a he a baby face ever again, should have
always been forever a heel, and in some people's minds
he is, but in storyline he should always be a heel.
After this, there's no coming back from what he did
to leader. There's no coming back from that, at least

(01:11:42):
for most people in real life hopefully. But for Cain Man,
you know, when he lost his baby that the woman
didn't want from him, So I feel bad for him.
Did we ever feel bad for Leader Jesus Christ?

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Unbelievable, bro unbelievable, unbelievable that they did this and then
Kane beat Snitzky and everybody was happy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I don't get until believable. It's one of the worst
stories WW is ever told. I don't care what anybody says. Oh,
absolutely up there, one of the worst. Like you said,
Katie Vic, Oh yeah, that's bad. This was horrible, disgraceful
even man, that's that's horrible. That's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
And this isn't even attitude era, It's not you know,
it's not that it's not for shock value, or.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Is it like, yeah, this's for shock value. It's it's
to get people to go, what are they doing in WWE?
But that didn't happen. People just like, I'm just not
gonna watch this anymore, right because this is nonsense. Who
wants to watch that? You mean to tell me the
guy who did this is now the good guy who
was supposed to cheer for him. No, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
They just stopped watching all though I will, I will
give him this to their again, it's like you don't
have to hand it to them, right handed to them.
We got Jeen Snitsky kicking a baby, and that was
that's still incredible twenty years later.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
You know, it's wild because I'm offended by everything that
happened with Alita, but that that baby get kicked its hysterical.
There's no the thing is none of us. There's no
real baby's being harmed in this. But it's just the
fact that you thought about this. It's just so ridiculous.
But somehow in our warped sensibilities of baby being punted

(01:13:53):
into the stands get also to me, it is only
for comedic value. I cannot see it any other way.
It's so ubisod that it's money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Because I think it's added to the fact, like how
he was babying it before then, like he was holding it,
like acting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Like real bizarre. This is bizarre because I can I'm
only laughing at that. I'm only laughing at that. But
the leadist thought, I'm like, and because it is, it
is appalling. It is terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
We had did we have like j R And lall
Or think it was like a real baby at one
point probably kicked it. It's like, oh my god, oh okay,
but it was like up until that point, it's like okay, clearly,
like there's gotta be some limitation, right, Like we're not
going to kick a real baby into the crowd, right right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
We're also not going to have this story. Bro, we
had the story too. You would think that we wouldn't
have that, but we did. And here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Speaking of Snisky. Uh, let's talk about him for a second.
You mentioned Eagles fan from next Quahona. I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I just saw a picture of him in an Eagel's shirt,
so well, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Close enough from nest Quahoning, Pennsylvania, which is about tours
north of Philly. So they make you know, tracks if
that's the case. Uh. He was trained by Offer of
the Wild Simons and of course Offer is you know,
part of the n Y Wrestling dynasty Rest in Peace
to Offer of the Wild Simons.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
And Snisky worked the PA Independence before getting signed by
w w E and that incident he had him with
Kane on raw which again resulted in a miscarry. Uh,
was his main roster debut. What a way to debut
on the main roster, these debuts like what unbelievable and

(01:15:50):
then according to catchphrase, it's not my fault, It's not
my fault. So he said it like fourteen times in
the midst of these promos and what it came to
the beginning of his theme music. Yeah, just shirking responsibility,
never taking the blame for anything that Gene Snisky.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Where did you even come from? I don't even remember him, like,
I just remember being like, oh, he's like a jobber.
And then they tried to make this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
And that's pretty much it is. He was in a
developmental They brought him about of nowhere and turned him
into a character overnight and went to ecw over the
bald head and the yellow teeth. It's made him really
ugly man to stuff. Man is I guess that's the

(01:16:42):
end of the worst matches for me the rest of
the card. Yeah, that's the rest of the car. But
I don't know if I mean, we talked about a
lot of this stuff already, so we could move on
to if you have a top non wrestling happen, I
have a worse non wrestling happening.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
So I'm it's tough, right, I'm not gonna put edges
thing like, because I thought that was corny. It didn't
make sense. I don't know why they tried to shoehorn
that in to build the edge and Shawn Michaels with
Edge trying to get out of the chamber and replacing Christian.
It just didn't make sense enough to me to like

(01:17:25):
be entertaining. I thought it was stupid. But so that's
not like in my top I don't know if it
be in near top non in ring happening, but airing
the vignettes of the women at the pool out of
order it was my top non ring happening.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Not that they out of themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
They did because there there was one of them where
Michelle Kennis. Michelle was rubbing lotion on Christy Hevy and
they showed that. I think maybe the second vignette they
aired they showed that. You know, then later on you
see Christy Hevy asking cantaspisal relation on her and I'm

(01:18:09):
doing I did see the straps and everything. So it
was they aired them out of order, and that's my
top non ringing happening.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
That's your top nine in ring happening, yep. Airing them
out of order, Well, my worst in ring Happening is
are the segments themselves, because they were hello cringy, Hello cringey. Okay,
For one, they had the women who weren't named tristrat

(01:18:40):
as in Ladas. So all the other women take part
in a series of vignettes during the daytime. This is
earlier in the day that they filmed a lot of these,
or earlier in the week whatever. So it's daylight outside
and the first one is Christi Hamm. She shows up
in this tiny bikini and she's pretending to flirt with
ugly dudes and at the pool and the pretend to

(01:19:02):
go for a swim, and it was like that was
one segment. I was like, man, that was that was
wild and that was a waste of everyone's time. And
I was like, but hopefully we won't see any of
those anymore. Nope, we saw a bunch more we got.
We saw one where Maria kanellis and that was again.
These vignettes were the extent of the female presence on
the show outside of the women's match. Then these videos

(01:19:22):
were hella creepy to me. And the worst one to
me and the most cringey was the last one where
they pretended well, they pretend well before that, like you said,
they had the one where there was rubbing lotioned on
each other's back, which is also very cringey because nobody,
nobody was good at acting in any things, so that

(01:19:45):
and the scripting was terrible. But then the I guess
the pool party they threw at the end where they
had everybody pretend to be having fun at the pool.
I've never heard of that in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
And they just everybody just knew, eh, chicken fight. They
get up, yeah, and they pair up immediately. The term
I've never heard of that before in my life. Maybe
it is a term if it is that you know
about hit us up and let us know. But as
far as I know, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
And then there's wrestlers, you know, male wrestlers, female wrestlers,
all the male wrestlers, all the jobbers are there hanging
out val Venus, I thought, Sean O'Hare there the women
on the top of the guy's shoulders. It's like, I
think it's Christy Hammy, Maria kaneal Is Stacey Keebler. What's
another one, Candice Michelle And I guess, I said Maria

(01:20:35):
Knell has already. So four of them, four guys. I
forget who all the four of the guys were. I
know one was Rosie and Hurricane was another one. Valve. Yeah,
I think Sean O'Hare was the last one. I think
all four guys down on the show. Oh, Bob Conway,
okay again in the face whatever, all not in the show.

(01:20:58):
It was nice to see Hurricane and Rosie. I didn't
your Hurricane and Rosie and rest in peace to Rosie
aka or born Matthew and ay aka Rosy but Rayhee
rest in peace. But this sucked, bro, This is horrible, cringey,
not not well executed. As that train goes by. That

(01:21:19):
train too, damn it. No, I got it. This phone, man,
it's a good microphone. It's a good microphone. That train
is very loud. But speaking of trains, there was a
train that went by the Eagles Hotel every night in
New Orleans and it was very loud. I wasn't at
the Eagles Hotel, but I heard there was a very

(01:21:40):
loud train that passed through multiple times a day and
some people had trouble sleeping during the week because of
that train. It didn't matter though, two but it was
a thing that I heard and the people I you know,
they stayed in in an adjacent hotel to the players.
They were like connected, so that train was heard by
all and it was unfortunate. But so there's that. Yeah,

(01:22:03):
that's a little tidbit for you that you may not
have known about the Super Bowl. But this segment with
the pool side and the fun that they were having
quote unquote trash trash, it wasn't good. It was long,
too long, and it felt like they called it and
aired it like it was another match on the show.

(01:22:24):
Oh there's your winner. Wait a second, you're keeping score here, Like,
what's this? I thought they were just having fun, right,
this is just the stuff they were doing at the
resort during the week, and y'all shot all of it.
Y'all shot women putting lotion on each other's back, Like
why were y'all cameras there for that? I don't get it.
It's terrible. It was like produced and written by a

(01:22:46):
person who's never actually been in these situations, right, Like,
you don't know how human beings actually interact, So you
make them do this robotic, stiff, cringey performances and and
it's acceptable and you air it. I feel like, if
you if you're like me and didn't like it, we
wouldn't have aired his garbage on my show, but they

(01:23:09):
allowed it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Trash and the whole Like the celebration after too was
so corny. It's like, what it's like, you're making these
women look so stupid for what like probably telling her, yeah,
like to go celebrate. It's like the best you can.
Christy Henby, like after she quote unquote one and it's

(01:23:34):
like her celebration was so weird. I'm just like, what
is happening right now? I was like, why are we
still watching this? Like when I was watching it live,
I was like, yeah, okay, I like looking at that,
but you know, I was like, it's weird. It's still weird.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Even though I like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Looking at that, it was still weird. You know. Yeah,
it was of the best I could describe that because
it's like this is time and place, I guess, right,
and this isn't you know, the Attitude era, And it's
not like, Okay, can we move past the way? This
is like Artrician leda your only wrestlers, Like are we

(01:24:16):
going to have a division here? You know? Like I
felt like in the Attitude hour, it was even better.
You know, he had Ivory. Jacqueline, you know, Sable was
you know okay for what she was in the ring.
I mean like at least they had something in terms
of that, but they didn't have that here, So I
don't know what their main objective was for this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
To get naked women on the show. Like the objective
was to get naked women on the show, that's the objective,
or not naked. They weren't actually naked, but close to it.
They did have one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Jerry Lawler's wife at the time, Cat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Well so long before this, But that's that's the objective here.
It's just to satisfy what they call some other thing
like anime like fan surface. It was fan surface naked
women or half naked women like, which is like, so
the fans are just horny dudes. Yep, okay, I guess.

(01:25:21):
And that's what literally what they were doing here. It's
like we don't have We're gonna give them all the action,
all that. We got two women in wrestling. Now we're
gonna give them the the other stuff that they actually want,
you know, the sex appeal and all that. That's all
it's for. It's just serving the horny fans. Not just
the fans neither, it's the people backstage too, like they
like it too. They booked it so company full of

(01:25:44):
horn dogs at this point all needed to bonk upon
upon the head and the trip to horny jail, maybe
another jail for how bad this segment was. Something, bro,
it's rough, Bro, it was tough to watch. I was
cringing the whole time I watched it. It was not
it's not fun to watch. Do you have any hidden

(01:26:05):
gems in out of the ring from this?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I guess this could also go in the top non
ring happening, But I thought Simon Dean pushing some random
guy into a pool.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
That's kind of funny. It was straight up bullying, but
it was kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
I was like, I like that Simon Tean character. It
was funny to me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Man, that's tough, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
It is Remember we did the Royal Rumble and he
was like getting ready, going through his warm ups, and
then he gets to the ring, Shawn Michaels eliminates him,
and Shawn Michaels does like the squats that was great.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
That's terrible, man. They just chopped out so many people
made this, so many people like suck it Bro, the
Simon System, Man the Simon System. All right, Well I
didn't have any because there wasn't anything hidden or a
gym on this show. The main event was the only
thing worth watching. It is nothing else. Nope, it's the

(01:27:07):
main event. So yeah, this was rough. Bro random thoughts,
I'll kick its off here. Did someone have a whistle
in the crowd? I thought I heard a whistle multiple times,
especially during the opening match. I thought because for a
second I thought I was listening to Too Short for

(01:27:27):
a second. And for those who don't know, Too Short
does the song blow the Whistle, which you've probably heard
a lot over the course of the last two month,
especially if you're in the Philly area, not necessarily if
you're from anywhere else. For one, shout out to Too
Short Legend and hip hop, and shout out to Gilly

(01:27:48):
the King for making that song. Blow the whistle like
another anthem for the Eagles to use during this season.
Every time the Eagles win the Super Bowl, it's always
some song that's attached to it. Yeah, last time it
was Dreams of the Nightmares, and this one they kind
of had to to blow the whistle and the DMX
song Yeah, yeah, What's My Name, which they ran out
to it the Super Bowl, which was like when you

(01:28:10):
heard that, I was like, yeah, the game might be
over at that point, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I posted the clip of their entrance at the parade
and they were playing that song, and I'm like, oh, man,
I hope I don't get the MC ad for that
because of the music playing in the background.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
So I'm kind of waiting for that, waiting for the
other shoe to drop, yeah, because I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
I got one before for that song, so like years ago,
so sure it's coming. But man, it's such a good song,
such a good beat.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
I love it. It is it is. But yeah, there's
always there's always some type of song, even with the Phillies.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
You dance, I sang DMX years ago on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
No I don't. We might have to have a refresher,
not now, we don't do it right now, but there
we go again.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I owned the MX album, so that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
That's good to know. That's good to know. The only
one that's pretty much my only random thought. I mean,
I forgot amate Christian backstage and said that they had
an idea and it really was just trying to get
out of the elimination change this idea.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Ever, why would Christian even accept that, Okay, he has
a shot at the world title, but then say he wins,
he still faces Edge the next night. It makes no
sense if Eric Bischoff were to accept. Did Eric Bischoff
did say yes? Sponsors And I'm kind of iffy on that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Yeah, we didn't see no sponsor at the beginning of
this show. As sponsors. You probably talking to the sponsors
because he like, please give us your money despite how
offensive our product is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Like, maybe they would have had a sponsor. Who had
Christian been in the elimination.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Chamber, maybe they would have had a sponsor if they
didn't have Kine doing what he was doing on the show,
or or racism on the show. Maybe maybe, but not there,
not there. That's all of my random thoughts on New
Year's Revolution two thousand and five, one of the most
terrible shows I've ever watched.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
In that Snitsky match McCain, uh, they pulled up the
mat around the ring. Jeez, snick Sky takes up backdrop
onto the concrete like no, no, no, like to the
side like he fell hard man for who?

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
For what? Pay per view? Debut man, trying to get
trying to get paid with here, trying to get crazy brother,
trying to make money. He just got to the main roster.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
That's why it takes all. He hurt himself, I believe
it the rowing rubble. His ribs were taped off. He
definitely broke a rib there. That's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
I mean it is wild, but you know, for who
he's trying to get over, Bro, it's his first paper.
He just got to the main roster, trying to make
a name for himself, and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Stupid, stupid, And at the end of the match, Earl
Hebner counting to three, he doesn't move to where he
could see the shoulders on the match. He's looking under
Kane's ass to look at the shoulders. He doesn't put
himself in a prime position to make the three count.
He's just Earl Hebner ring it up. El referee I've

(01:31:24):
ever seen After the match Jim Ross Kate evens the scorer. Okay,
we're keeping track of Snisky won with you know, killing
their baby, Caine won winning a match, yo.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
I didn't even think about that, Bro, I was even
the scorer, and I like, even in the score they
had a match before this since whin I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Oh no, you mean that because that match didn't have
an ending, right, that was a match, right, Caine and
Snitsky overall, when that happened, that was technically match, right,
I'm assuming it didn't remember. I mean, maybe I'm wrong,
but yeah, they even can't even the score by beating

(01:32:12):
Jean Snisky at New Year's Revolution.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
All right, then, I don't think you even the score
for something like that. I don't either, But I don't
think you ever really pull even in this predicament like that.
I think you still at a loss. You know, it's
just what I don't. I don't. That don't help you cope.
You know, no pun intended to edge he's on the show.
That don't help you necessarily. You got that, well, you

(01:32:34):
got that win at New Year's Revolution, So maybe the
healing process can begin. That's not what's what's happening here, bro.
But you know, everything can be solved with a wrestling
title win or something and wrestling terms. So there you go.
All the life's problems, all the world problems, all your
problems can be solved with the w in the ring.

(01:32:55):
I don't like you let's fight about it in the ring.
That's where we settle things. You inadvertently cause a miscarriage
with my wife who doesn't want to be married to me.
We got to settle this in the square circle now,
like not even a stipulation that it's just one on one,

(01:33:17):
just a one on one, good old fashioned Matt classic
between and you, sir, you must follow the rules or
you will be disqualified there too, right, you don't want
to be disqualified, man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
We also had the rise and fall of ECW DVD
commercial we did because of their I guess good sales.
We saw one night Stand later this year, so I
thought that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
I forget.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
I forgot how they would hawk these DVDs on on
the shows and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
I did purchase it and I did watch it, and
I was just like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Man, that's so cool smithsy CW Man. Then they came
back like a year later. I was like, yes, w
is gonna be a weekly TV show, Like, it's gonna
be a third brand, it's gonna be separate from everything
you see on Wrong SmackDown. I was like, this is
what the wrestling world needed, because Tanna wasn't doing it

(01:34:18):
for me. You know, like this is it ECW and
that lasted all of one month.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
So wrong again, Like they said in water Boy, Mama
is wrong again. But yeah, DCW is going to be
a thing again. Wrong again. Yeah, that's that's bad news, man,
That's that's bad John, right there, that's what you're saying, Philip.

(01:34:46):
That's a bad John. All right, this whole show is
a bad John. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
It is, thank goodness, and again Eric Bischoff saying Welcome
to New Year's Revolution very very dumb Vidal. He could
have just said welcome to the elimination Chamber, because why
else the hell would he come out, But you know,
he was you know, I think over it at this
point anyway, he wasn't like a great they He became

(01:35:15):
like a veteran scring character when the ECW stuff came.
But that was really it, you know, like at this
point he was tired of evolution, he was tired of
the baby faces. He was more of a tweener at
this point. But it's like, let's start to Welcome to
New Year's Revolution was really stupid. So a lot of
stupid stuff on this show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Yeah, So in conclusion, for me, at least, coming away
from New Year's Revolution two thousand and five, a show
that I haven't watched before from beginning to end, despite
knowing what happened, you know on the show at least
from the main event standpoint. But again, I wasn't watching
pay per views as a kid, so we didn't order

(01:35:58):
every month like some people did, and I did not
go back to watch this on like ww Network or Peacock,
and thankfully I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Man, it's gotta be like the second best chamber match.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Like I don't know for me, Like, well, that might
be a different discussion for a different day. We can
have the discussion as far as like the best elimination
chamber matches. This was a good one, but the show,
that's what I'm talking about, New Year's Revolution, not elimination chamber.
New Year's Revolution, which was this was the first one

(01:36:31):
of that, and this is the show they got. Ooh,
that didn't help the branding at all of New Year's Revolution,
I don't think. But yeah, what a terrible, terrible, terrible
show and creatively terrible show. And then unfortunate other ways
because people got hurt seriously injured on this show, so
freak accidents. Nothing you can do about that. That just

(01:36:52):
sucks and it just happens sometimes. But the other stuff
beyond that, all ww's choices, all wa he's doing outside
of the time constraints. I know they had the stress
for time with Maybe and Shelton Benjamin. You know, they
did what they could the good brothers did what they
could do. But everything else is trash. I'm sorry, I

(01:37:13):
can't vouch for and I can't. I'm trying to like
find positives to say about it. I can't. It was
like one crazy happening after another one. I'm just like
shocked that this was all on one show. It was
like the injuries. Oh man, that's terrible. Oh another injury,
that's wild. But also this story is terrible. Oh oh

(01:37:35):
how okay, it can't get worse than that. Right, we
had the bottom, Right, this can't get worse. Oh No,
they're gonna bring out Muhammad a son and and and
discriminate against them. Then they we got king.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
We're rooting for Kane.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Come on, man, we're rooting for him. No, we're not.
We shouldn't. No, horrible, So we don't have like a
fish or grading system or anything like that. But if
I did, it'd be zero out of ten, two thumbs down.
It'd be all of it F minus every bad grade.

(01:38:10):
I could give a show on this here podcast, I
would give it to this show. It's the worst one
we probably have ever done on this show. And that's
saying a lot. Bro We've watched some bad shows, but
for this one, it was just one after another. It's
literally the entire show before the main event, before everything,

(01:38:31):
before the main event. You can just throw it away.
And I don't think we've watched too many shows like that,
even the worst ones. We watched the House of Horrors
or whatever it was at Halloween have it. They electrocuted
Adulah the Butcher. We watched Jr. And his nights go
against people and drink in the dinks and all of

(01:38:52):
that nonsense that we've watched so many w CW shows
that were like what we Marichavo was had a notary
at uh Rode Wild and he's he made himself the
TV champion, not the world champion, and then just complete
nonsense that we've watched on this show. I typically, I mean,
some things are offensive, obviously, but most things are just

(01:39:14):
bad and poorly executed. This was somehow just all of
the above bro just man terrible. I would not recommend
this show to anyone unless you would just want to
watch the elimination chamber forward. Just see whatever Batista's on
the screen. You can watch that and then the elimination chamber.

(01:39:35):
Nothing else. So I don't think I've ever been so
down on the show as much as I've been on
this one. I'll literally call it the worst one we've
covered on the podcast. So I don't think it can
get worse for me as far as my fault in
this show. But with that said, let's wrap it up
for part two of episode four to twenty. Nick, please

(01:39:56):
take us out with some plugs please.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
You can follow me at Underscore pacone, on Twitter, slash x,
and also on Blue Sky, at pocone, and on threads.
I'm also at pocone Nick, You'll find most of my
content there. We've got Phillies coming up, so if you're
a Phillies fan, I'll definitely be posting about them, and

(01:40:19):
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