424: 'Love Is Blind' Season 8 Recap, WWE WrestleMania 21 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up everyone out there in internet land, and welcome
to episode four twenty four of the Straight Shooters available
wherever podcasts are found. My name is Vaughan Johnson, and
I'm joined as always by my main man, Pots and Pants,
Nipplecona Fox, phl The Gambler, and Philly Influencer, and we
have yet another fantastic show ahead of us here on

(00:34):
episode four twenty four. It is a deep dive into
multiple things, honestly, but really one thing in particular. It
is WrestleMania season, and we're diving deep into a WrestleMania,
which one the one from twenty years ago, the one
from two thousand and five, WrestleMania twenty one from Los Angeles. Yes,
we've been kind of building to this. We talked about
New Year's Evolution, we talked about or Brumble, We even

(00:56):
covered a raw that happened in February when Batista turned
on Triple H. But we're finally here WrestleMania twenty one,
which's actually the best show we've covered from this stretch
in my opinion, which is good because it is WrestleMania.
But we're also going to talk about the show that
we've been kind of alluding to in the last couple
of weeks that I've been catching up on on Netflix

(01:20):
called Lover's Blind. We're going to talk about that a
little bit too, because there's a lot to talk about
there before the deep dive, so stay tuned for that.
But we're also going to talk about before that, current
day nonsense in pro wrestling, mostly John cenns Hill promo,
his first one in many, many years. But before we
do any of that, I got to do my weekly

(01:41):
check on my main man, Pots and Pans. Nick, How
are you on this beautiful Wednesday evening, my good brother.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, I'm back on my old microphone and the weather
is seventy degrees today, so my AC's on and in
order for my other mics and I'll pick up the
AC and I kind of like this mic, my old mic.
So having a bit of a reunion today on episode
four twenty four between myself and my old microphone and
my AC for the first time since maybe September October.

(02:12):
So yeah, we're at the AC on today. I have
to I have to, man, I don't want to open
my window because then people can hear our podcast and
I don't want that to happen. They have to wait
until we post it. It's is top secret. Baby, I
don't want anyone to do it. My love is blind
thoughts before it's officially published on the Spotify website.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I'm just not ready to turn on my AC yet. Man.
I'm it's not ready for I'm weak.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'm weak, man, I can't help it.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's not there yet, and it's not to me. It's
not that hot yet neither.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So it's not but it is inside by Uh. I
was gonna say orifices, but.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh my god, office office, that's crazy. Oh one of
the way he's gonna take that. That's funny.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So that train just went by, did you hear it?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I thought I heard a little something so, but not
as much, not as much as usual. So it's no,
it's better.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's good. I can't you know. My new Mica will
be used at points where I guess I need it.
I'm not gonna give it away or take it back
or anything or sell it. I guess it's always good
to have a backup mike anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, I would say, so, I don't have one, so
my microphone breaks and you know, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Sometimes I listened to our old episodes when we left
the studio. We did like the Google hangouts and the
MI I I was using it. I don't know what
the hell I was. I guess I just didn't care
about quality at that point. But now I guess neither
one of us. Dude, listen, I sounded like I was
on that NASA spaceship, like, oh man, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Gotta go back and listen to him now. But we
started from the bottom. Now we're here. We're here at
four twenty four here after John Cena's first heel promo
since like two thousand and three, took place in Brussels, Belgium,
this past Monday night, and hmm, it was interesting. It

(04:20):
was interesting. It wasn't what I was necessarily is expecting,
I think. And they explained it and that I was
hoping for new new music, new attire, and he said, nah,
y'all don't get that, because I A'm giving you what
you want. It's like, okay, that's touche, touche, touche, you know,
fair enough. But I still would have liked that. And

(04:44):
I also would have liked if he talked about why
he sold his soul to the rock I guess right,
like that happened, right.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
It did.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
That's what happened.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right, If you just started watching wrestling Monday, you would
not understand anything.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Right. It wasn't really about the fan as much as
it could be about the fact that he just wants
to win number seventeen. So that, right, which could that
makes him a heal He didn't necessarily have to heal
on the fans, but he did. I'm sure that was
like something he as a character would like to get
off his chest anyway, right, like that fit John Cena

(05:19):
maybe John Cena, like maybe a couple of years ago.
But I think after what happened at Elimination Chamber, it
was intro is odd not to hear him talk about
the rock at all. You know, why are they incahudes,
what was Travis Scott doing this? He on me too,
like what's going on? Like we need answers? Instead, Cody

(05:41):
came out, I thought, chumped him right off top, caught
him a whiner.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
So, I mean that was funny. But we've seen a
fiery what two or three fiery Cody promos before that,
and uh, you know, if he just added the line
in the beginning, it's taking everything in me right now,
not to drop you where you stand, like after what
happened at Elimination Chamber and then he's just face to
face with him and doesn't do anything like that. I

(06:09):
thought it kind of made him look like asweep a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Maybe maybe after seeing a cut that promo where he
wind about how much he hated the people, maybe that
made Cody look look look at Seena like he was
the dwee and he not even threatened by him. He said, Look,
this guy right here ain't beating me. I'm gonna smoke him.
Find somebody else. Because this guy ain't beating me, I'm
gonna trash him. He should have told us that, he
pretty much he said, like.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I wanted to hear him be like, it's taking everything
in me right now not to drop you. I get
like that. I was literally sitting watching it. I'm like,
all right, I'm waiting for I just that was like
the perfect line that I came up with. That, Yeah, exactly,
Like I was a w W writer for that for
that moment, And I thought it would make a lot

(06:53):
more sense for them to have like a back and forth,
you know, than you know, because the Cody promots from
last week, you'd just be like, oh man, when he
sees Sina, it's got to be like a pull up,
pull apart type thing. Didn't even have security in there,
so that's why I was kind of like, maybe if
there was security, it would have made it uh more
acceptable for me in terms of like just just base

(07:16):
on what happened to elimination Chamber, like and that's the
first time you see each other since I was just like,
come on, I want a little bit more than that,
especially after two weeks of no Sina and now we
got that moment, which I think that's part of the
reason why his promo was so long, because that's at
some point I was like, all right, like this is
kind of dragging on a little bit because Cody came

(07:37):
out and then left and seeing it was still like
doing his promo, and it was just like, all right,
like this doesn't need to be like a I think
they are putting it on the same scale as the
Hope Heel turned So they were like, let's this is
Seena's like moment, so let's give him as however long
he wants. But I do think it ran a little long,

(07:59):
and I was just kind of like by the end,
I was like, all right, come on.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Let's see, there's still so much time until WrestleMania. We
still got a month.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Exactly a month, so this recording right there with nineteenth
and twentieth.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, with all the stuff that they have going on
right now, there's still so much time to tell these stories.
So I guess we just kind of sit back and wait.
I don't know, man, there's only so much time. Though.
I'm thinking about like jay Usa and we'll have a
discussion about j Uso on a separate episode of the
Straight shoot. Is just kind of like the States of

(08:33):
Wrestling and the people versus jay Uso and something like that, right,
because there's a lot of discourse about ja Uso. But
something that did happen this past Monday was him watching
the dive over the top rope, which people make mistakes sometimes.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Obviously, it's not the first time we've seen that.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Exactly from anybody, So look whatever, that's neither here nor there.
But I think there is something to be said about
the fact that the story right now isn't necessarily super hot, right, Like,
the story itself isn't really uh enthralling me. So I
get that criticism. But you know, though, the whole other
level of criticism being levied upon specifically jay uisode, I

(09:13):
think it's like, all right, this at a little bit much.
It's like the opposite of the Daniel Bryan Kope Kingston thing.
It's like they wanted to remove him from the main
event Pressmania almost. It's kind of it's kind of strange.
But we'll talk about it and further in depth at
a later date, because I think it's worth its own
We think I should say its own episode here of

(09:33):
the straight Shooters, but anything you wanted to add to
that nick before we.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Move saying like we would do it on this show.
But we got Love is Blind and WrestleMania twenty one
that takes precedents. I'm sorry, Love is.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Blind season eight takes precedent over main event ju so
on four to twenty four. That's the case.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
But the people are saying Love is Blind would not
take precedents over Roman reigns and we're seeing punk or
Seth Rollinson. I mean, they might not be wrong. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Look for Netflix, Love is Blind probably trump's all. That's
a money maker for Netflix for sure. But let's shift
gears to Love Is Blind Season eight because finally we
get to talk about it, finally I finished it, all right.
For one, this is how you know how much money
Love Is Blind is getting because they had real songs
on this season, all right. They had so many licensed songs.

(10:25):
Like man, the budget has increased. Okay, they usually have
songs I've never heard of before on there, unless unless
I don't listen to enough music, But on this season
they had a bunch of songs that I've actually heard of,
and okay, okay, Netflix, with the budget going up, I
guess you know the money is coming in and there's
some profits to be shared, or at least they can

(10:47):
put that money back into the production. We may have
with the music at least. But Love Is Blind season eight.
Any overall thoughts Nick from this season before we kind
of go a couple by a couple.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's very funny, And I think I started watching this
the week after it was released, so I'm like a
binge watcher, So I will watch like the first batch
that's uploaded as quickly as I can, and then I
will wait until the next batches and I'll watch all
those in a row. Same thing. So I think there
were like what four releases with episodes one through six,

(11:24):
and then seven through nine, ten through twelve. The wedding
episode was thirteen, and then fourteen was the reunion. So
up until the weddings episode, episode thirteen, I thought it
was the most boring season of Love as Good, Oh
really that I've watched now. Granted, admittedly I got on

(11:48):
board season six, so this is only the third season
I've watched. I have not gone back to watch one
through five yet.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I don't know if I say, I will say I
think whatever season they had a d.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
On it was that was.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
That was six, six, seven and eight. Yeah, six, seven
and eight have been good seasons.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, they've been. Six left an impression on me for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, A lot happened. And that was the
one where Jimmy was in the on the Megan in
the so called Megan fave that. That's a legendary season. Okay,
legendary season.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
That's a crazy one.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
That's a good season to come in on, exactly because
I'm not allowed to you. A couple of seasons before
that wasn't great, like three, four five. I haven't gone
back to watching them, but I remember watching them and
it felt like Loves Blonde was losing some steam and
they came back with season six.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
All right, it's back now. Six was in d C,
d C right.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, yeah, okay, was that seven? I forget, I forget man,
but that one, that one with that particular season was dope.
And then last season with the art dealer who didn't
make it to the to the house or whatnot.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Where he basically only proposed she only said yes because
she want to say no.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Pretty Yeah, it was a lot with that season too.
I don't know that the same season. I might be
conflating those separate seasons, right, yep. So yeah, but this
season I thought still good season though, but to me
it was very is It was a I would say,
borderline fascinating for me. I wouldn't say that was the
best season. I will probably go back and watch if
I had to go back and watch, and I don't,

(13:22):
I'll probably watch other seasons. But this one was a
fascinating watch just from the standpoint of how much of
a role politics played in this season more so than others.
I think they've kind of tiptoed around it a little
bit in other seasons. More I think it's picked up
more and more. But then this one was shot in
twenty twenty four, which which was obviously an election year,

(13:45):
and it was a lot of the women putting it
out there like this, these are my values I'm in for,
and most of them values were for equality, if a
women's rights and you know, black lives, whether they matter,
and them drawing that kind of hard line with the
guys and man, the guys did not step up for

(14:09):
a lot a lot of cases, well at least for
the at least for the women. Now granted people might
disagree and say, oh yeah they did. No, no, no,
we're for equality and for women's rights and all that.
Here are the straight shooters, so yes, uh, that's what
we're for. But the men, they mostly sat the sidelines

(14:29):
on this, which was interesting in a lot of ways.
It was interesting to see the women draw that line
in the sand.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And I think the first couple we got to talk
about that with when we saw a woman, the women
in relationship put the views out there and say, hey,
this is what I'm for. What are your thoughts and
the guy going m is Sarah and Ben.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
He basically said I don't have any because I.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Don't have any. She straight up asked him do black
lives matter? Now, granted, black lives Matter is people say
it is an organization, But the question itself is a
simple question. It's not about an organization or like an ideology.
It's this question, do black lives matter? Like that's the question.

(15:20):
It's not about an ideology or an organization. Dude, does
my life as a black person Vaughan Johnson black person?
Does my life matter? Or the lives of my relatives
or fellow black people? Do our lives matters?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
The question is a correct answer.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's not like the question ten times out of ten
should be yes.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Eleven times out of ten.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Okay. But I don't think Ben quite understood the question
because I think Ben, at the end of the day,
does believe all lives well they maybe he does believe
all lives matter. That maybe that's problem, but I'm not
saying he. I don't think that he was openly racist,

(16:07):
but I don't think he thought of as like, oh,
I don't know if I support you, I don't know.
It's a political thing, And it's not really a political thing.
He asked me, like a just a moral question, a
political question. It's a moral question. He no, like I
don't know if black pives. I don't know. I don't
have an opinion on this stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't understand the uh, you know when when I
asked that, you know, pretty much whoever's asked that has
asked that for a reason, right, And I just don't
understand the I don't even think it's animosity, but like
the nonchalantness towards it.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's just like yeah, like if it's not important.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, like they I don't get the uneasiness around that
because and you know that if they're feeling uneasy about that,
they have heard something or seen something that they probably
ideologically agree with that goes against you know, someone that

(17:07):
does say black lives matter.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
So exactly, it's like a.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Man, like you're pausing here, and that's like that's the
same answer as no, you know, like and it's we
as the viewer, we're just like, oh man.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
And the thing is, like I said, it's not an
idy it's not an idy ideological question. It's a it's
not a political question. It's a moral question, like do
these people in their lives matter?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Some people don't think about like, but you're right, like.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
It's moral question that creates that if.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
You answer do black lives matter with all lives matter,
then you don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
To say, of course all lives matter, but do the
black ones also matter?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
That's what people just don't want to accept.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
And of course all lives matter, but that requires nuance
and critical thought, and that being removed from society step
by step, he can't have nuance and critical thought. But
that's what we saw here with Ben, who too, I
don't to his credit, I guess has a very diverse

(18:13):
group of friends. He has a I think he has
at least one brown friend. He has an Asian friend.
He has one who is in a who is gay
lesbian relationship openly announced it on the show, so like
clearly not hiding it, openly gay. And yet he's not

(18:34):
sure if what his church's stances on gay marriage, which
was a big thing for Sarah because her sister is
openly gay. So he was also on the show, his
sister was on His sister was just on the show.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
The scene where they met.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Man, I must have. So here's the thing. Also, I
do fast forward through some scenes because some of these
episodes belong they I might have missed that.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
They were at a restaurant. I believe it was his sister.
I want to make sure that that I don't reunion
as well.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Oh I don't. I don't recall seeing her at the
re union neither. Yeah yep, okay, yeah, well so all
it only add to the point you met her all
this and that, but wasn't sure if his church's stance
on gay marriage and whatnot. And I think for a
lot of for for somebody like Ben, he can easily

(19:28):
remove himself from those types of discussions because it doesn't
really affect him. I think that's the type. I don't.
I will not necessarily say, oh he's an evil guy
or whatever, but like I think he's just it's easy
for him to remove himself from the situation. And because
of that, Sarah went all the way up to the
altar and it was like, I can't bro there's just
too many things that we just don't align align on.

(19:50):
Because she was never really comfortable with the church stuff,
because churches aren't always welcoming to you know, the lgbt
Q plus I A plus community you gotta be, you
know sometimes for some people's but it's specific about which
churches you joined. And she wasn't trying to go to
a church. For one, she's not the most religious type.
I don't think she's willing to go to church every

(20:11):
week anyway. She didn't look that excited to be in
the church with Ben, But then she wasn't sure about
how they would feel about welcoming welcoming her sister, so
that always was in the back of her head. And
she left Ben at the altar and yeah, get married.
I was sort of surprised a lot.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I absolutely was, because I think they were filming it
and the producing it in a way that wanted to
make us question like, oh my god, she's gonna she
might say no, but I.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
The edit helps that definitely does makes that happen.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh well, you know, even before the wedding, when she's
you know, getting ready with the bridesmaids and stuff and
her family, I'm just like, Okay, there's nothing. There's not
enough here for me to think she's gonna say no.
I feel like it's more of a and this happens
with some of these couples where they just say yes
because they want to work on stuff later, but they

(21:08):
want to say yes now. And I think in this
is what surprised me about this season because I said,
the beginning up until the weddings episode was kind of
boring to me. The weddings episode was kind of like
the coming out party for me, no pun intended. It
was like, no, these these situations actually do matter to
these women like they and some of them we didn't

(21:30):
know about until after they said no, like yes, we'll
talk about and we will. And I think that was
obviously editing as well. But you know, Sarah, I was
like really really surprised she said no, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
I wasn't only because it was such an important thing
for her and she said so.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
On it and I didn't sense that until but after
she said no, which is maybe it's the way I
was watching you.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Brought up from the beginning she did. She mentioned it
multiple times when the actually met, and she didn't. She
often didn't always love his answers to the questions.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, and I guess in my she kept pushing forward.
In my mind, that's what she did. Like if they
mattered to her that much, we wouldn't be here, like
they wouldn't even be at the wedding. She she would
have already called it off type things. So I was like, Okay,
she's willing to look past that because she's hoping down
the road like she'll be able to not convince him,
but like to kind of align on the beliefs that

(22:28):
are the most important to her. And so I was
just like, Okay, they're going to go through with it.
Like could she walked down the aisle, like she could
have easily not done that, but perhaps she wanted to
look him in the eye at the altar and kind
of send a message too. I mean, that's also something
that could have been in her mind that she didn't
say that, But maybe she didn't know until she was

(22:50):
walking down the aisle. You know, it's possible. But I
just thought, if she's gonna say no, they wouldn't have
even gotten to the altar.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
But I don't call it any thing coming out from
the reunion from these two other than like Sarah just
confirming why she made the decision and Ben, yeah, looking poorly,
I think on on the on the dais they had
there for the reunion. Uh I got one big takeaway
from the reunion, but uh Ben did not come off

(23:20):
well from what I remember.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, not you know, you could sense there was still
autimosity there, So there had to be things that happened
in between the under filming and the reunion that were
not pleasant between those two.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, it was. It was a bunch of weird stuff. Yeah,
so there's that Monica and Joey. Joey was a football
player who was very clean in his home, loved being clean. Uh.
Monica was a little bit the opposite, and her family
had fam jams, what they called fam jams, so they
just get instruments and slam jam and just play instruments

(24:00):
together and sing songs and be one big happy family,
I guess. But I didn't watch a ton of their
relationship apparently, like I didn't know that they had never
told each other that they didn't they never told they
said it to each other that they loved each other, Like.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I didn't realize that was that, and so she said
it right.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And their relationship, as far as we could tell, was
mostly like chill. Like the only big thing was like
the hang up was I think her sister that was
his It was her sister, right that.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
It was her sister. Yeah, Monica's sister that was.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Like an artist, and she wasn't really on board with
it at first, but I think she can eventually sort
of came around.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think I feel like she did. I feel like,
you know, their first that fam jam session night when
they were over everyone was over there. Her sister kind
of didn't get a great vibe from Joey. Joey says
he didn't really get a great vibe from his sister.
They had that engagement photo shoot her sister, you know,
that was her gift to them, and that day they

(25:00):
seemingly had like a good talk after the shoot. You know,
Joey and Monica's sister were kind of like seemingly on
the same page. I don't know if something happened after that,
because we didn't really see anything after that except Monica
and Joey like going on a date before the wedding.
Stuff like, like, there was nothing big that I thought

(25:23):
was keeping Monica and Joey from getting to the altar.
I thought they were kind of overblowing the sister thing,
because there's been sister things all over this show. I
thought that was kind of like overblown a little bit
because I'm like, oh, like she's not saying Joey's terrible.

(25:43):
She's just like she's the overprotective sister, and that's that's
very passe and I've in real life, I'm used to that,
So when I hear that, I'm just like whatever. Like
to me, it's always an not for me personally. But
when I see other people do that, I kind of
judge them a little bit fair or unfair, and I'm like,
that's just an excuse for you to just be mean.

(26:05):
You know, if you feel a certain way about somebody that, uh,
if your sister loves somebody, which I guess she didn't,
but if there's the possible like they went on this
show and they got engaged, you should be a little
more lenient in uh, you know, trusting your sister and
how she developed this relationship with Joey for just you know,

(26:30):
three days, maybe four days, I know, but you know.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
And also you realize her sister does know her, her
does no Monica, right, maybe Monica is a poor decision maker.
We don't know some people.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's possible, but hold on, now you sure?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Are you sure? This song?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
But at some point it becomes annoying. It's like, just
let me make you know, Like and Monica came to
that realization, is.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Like, and Monica's grown. At the end of the day,
she was crazy. You know particular instant.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And I didn't think Joey's that crazy either. I just
think they were really like I thought they were one
of the best couples in the beginning, and then you
kind of see there was just no romance there.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Just no yeah, no chemistry, no spark. Right, Yeah, it's tough.
Like you said, I agree with you. I thought they
were going to be like they were locked in, like, oh,
they definitely began to tell the author alter. I said,
author the alter for sure, for sure, and then yeah,
it just I guess over the time, I didn't even notice,
you know, just maybe the edit and whatnot. It's just like, oh, yeah,

(27:30):
I guess they didn't have like a romantic spark between
them two, which I guess could happen.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
So and I was still somewhat surprised because I was like, Okay,
I think it's based on the conversations they have with
their families, like before the wedding, and Joey's all like, oh,
I'm not going to know until the altar, and Monica's like, oh,
like yeah, like I'm I'm cool, like you know, like,
and I just maybe I'm too trusting of the edits

(27:57):
that are made on love is blind, because I'm like,
I don't see how this can end up as a no,
and so I was like a little surprised. Was it, uh, Monica?
Was it that Monica and Joey? That Monica didn't want
to go first? Right? And then she did because she
didn't want to be the one to like say no,

(28:19):
I guess, and then she wanted Joey to go first.
And then they went to Monica and she was like, no,
I can't. And then Joey, I think, was like, I'm
glad you said that because I said the same thing.
But they were the only couple to kind of address
the crowd too. I thought that was kind of cool
that they whether they were like heartbroken or not, they

(28:41):
were kind of like, you know, taking it in stride
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah. Yeah, I thought the shore they were going to work.
I've just remembered that. I did think that Sarah and
Ben weren't going to work. I remember telling my wife
it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work. And I
just remember that because I said the same thing about
Virginia and Devin too, We'll talk about in a second,
because I was like, that's not it's not gonna work.
It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna work. It's not
gonna last long. At least they might say yes, but

(29:08):
it ain't gonna last long. It ain't gonna last too long.
But speaking of not lasting long, this couple didn't even
get to the altar ob Dave and Lauren because, oh boy, Dave, Dave, Dave.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I felt for Lauren this whole day.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Dave, Dave. They're out of your head, baby. So Lauren
had a what seems to be on all accounts friends
with benefits, not barely friends really just benefits. Honestly, they
didn't hang out really together. They didn't even meet each

(29:46):
other's homies like that. It was just let's do the
benefits and be gone with you. And it lasted for,
like what she said, two months, And it was in
the two months leading up to you know, some time.
It into some time before Love is Blind. I don't
know if it was a couple of days or a
couple of weeks, whatever it was by the time Love
is Blind started. Okay, Well, either way, Lauren is single

(30:13):
in her mind, and she's she was single before that. Sorry, Yeah,
I'm talking about the relationship, not the relationship, the the
the the benefits, friends with benefits, things she had going
on before situationship, the situationship. There you go, that's the
word for a situationship, right, I would like that word situationship.
But uh so she was single throughout all right, That's

(30:36):
how she is feeling. Dave, here's this and recognized that
they had this is like a mutual person that they knew,
Like Dave's friends knew this guy. And he's been talking like,
oh yeah, da da da da, we've been hanging out,
We've been doing this, we've been doing that, and everybody's
telling Dave and Dave can't handle this, even though he
is over thirty and this is how people do things.

(31:00):
Sometimes this is normal. I can understand him asking a
question or two. It is like, oh so is this
like is this done? Like it's it's a thing to
worry about. Maybe once you get past those preliminary questions,
what more do you need to know? She said to them.
And as far as if I heard those answers, you.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Here with me Soparently hope it wasn't like that.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I mean you hear he wasn't like that. So, but
either way, Dave can't handle this, and that's pretty much
the relationship with Dave is figuring it out, As he
says over and over again, I'm just figuring it out,
figuring it out, don't know, I'm just trying to get
to the bottom of it. He's talking to his homies,

(31:44):
who are you know, they capping his head up with
all kinds of exaggerations. He's talking to his sister who
basically apparently controls his life.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
With the rest of it doesn't make an appearance on
the show.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
What were your thoughts on and not been Dave and
Lauren's relationship?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I just I felt so bad for Lauren because she's
literally like, okay, like valid question for you to ask me,
this is what happened, and he just never believed her.
Like you're you seemingly come to trust these people in
the pods and then get engaged, go on vacation, and
live together before a wedding a month later. So you're

(32:23):
spending like almost every not waking hour, but like, you know,
close to it, so you think you would know a
lot about them by this point. I understand it's atypical,
but still, like you know, Lauren now well, she says,
kind of should have been the end of it, but

(32:43):
he kept pressing on, and I'm just like, dude, you're
gonna drive her away. You're gonna drive her away because
I kind of liked them together, you know, I kind
of wanted them to get together in the pods and
I'm like, okay, like I could see this working out.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
They've didn't start off great though, Yes, I agree, I agree,
what's wrong.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
With you here?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Shallow because of his job?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
It was the same, but I don't I don't remember
the guy's name, but from last where he talked about
how much money he made and all that, the one
that got idealing, you know, never went on vacation. But
still like it's like all right, Dave, Like you have
to believe your fiance at some point. And again it
was revealed that this person that Lauren had the situationship

(33:28):
with was just trying to get on the show. Like
he was just using it as an excuse to get
on the show. And that man, I can't imagine how
that made Lauren feel like that entire time and then
to be proven right, it's just like that that would
turn me off, Dave. Like even if Dave was like
so apologetic, which you know he apologized, but I think

(33:49):
he was just turned off by it at that point.
It's like, yeah, like it doesn't mean anything anymore, you know,
Like and I felt bad for her. I mean, like Lauren,
I've I would have given the world to.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay, Nick, take it easy. I think we got your
crush on the show.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I just you know, she was so nice and like
so open to you know, compromise, and I just seeing
him take advantage of her these times were really frustrating.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
He's just goofy and immature, honestly, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's like she would literally give him the answer to
his question. He'd like, Okay, but this, my friend said.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
This, He's like, figure it out. He had a board
up for the investigation. He was connecting dots and stuff
like that. Bro, trying to get to the bottom of it. Man,
just stop listening to your friend so damn much and
make your own decision. He just didn't, never made his
own decisions. Decision. What do you think? What do you
think is going on? Well, how do you feel? It's
always like my friend said this, my family said that,
my sister said this, and it's like and they think this,

(34:51):
and they don't want to do this and they don't
want to do that. Dave, what do you want to do? Dave?
You're grown?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
What do you want?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
And it didn't work. They boke up and Davis said
about it still to this day.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like they were literally supposed to meet Dave's friends, and
like he's the one who basically called it off. And
then he tried to say, oh, well, like if you
met my friends. It's like that was literally supposed to
happen and you said no. Like that made me think
he was trying to get out of it the whole time.
Now I know, I feel bad because I feel like
he was just in his head too much, and like
I think that's what it was. He just didn't know

(35:25):
how to handle it. And uh, it's a shame because
it put Lauren through that. And obviously the sister and
his friends should probably feel bad, but they probably don't.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
What kind of what could have been telling him the
whole time? What could have been saying that it would
make question the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I think, like the whole premise that, uh, she really
cares about this guy. She just went on the show
to get famous. So when you're like when you're home,
like how much it's not gonna work. And how when
you plant that to somebody that seems to be as
impressionable well as Dave was.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Very impression It's like, man, how much do you listen
to that?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Bro? It was a no win for Lauren. It sucks, man.
I liked her a lot on the show. I thought
she was one of the nicest of the three seasons
that I've watched it.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Nick's gotta crush on Lauren.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Lauren uhel, I'm n p A.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
That's far from Minnesota. Daniel and Taylor, Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Very funny, but that would be the first one to disintegrate.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
That's funny because it almost did before. Uh. I guess
it was be Taylor, right, Taylor? Yeah, Taylor was proven
wrong by her app or whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I don't know what she saw. It was like, Okay,
I guess I'm wrong here. But Daniel was sweating for
a second.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
She was was I was like mad at him first.
I was like, you like because it made sense, you know,
like I'm like, oh, this this chic canary, little fool. Uh.
You know, like I just didn't trust them from.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
The vocabulary changes up with love is blind stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
And you know, I just didn't you know, I believe
like if you think you see you've seen somebody, and
like you're in the same area, right, Like I mean
they're in around the same area, then they're going on
the same show. Like I could definitely buy other cast
members trying to like do that, because if you're a stalker,

(37:37):
you're a stalker man, like I don't know who, I
don't know who you are, you know, like it's possible.
And when they have the when they switch from like
that happy go lucky type view and music and scenes
to like the I'm like, oh, man, like Daniel's a jerk,

(37:58):
just because of how they edited it.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
The's tense music. It's like ooh, okay, what's happening now?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Crazy?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
But yeah, but after that that's the only bumping the road.
They pretty much work out. They're still together. They were
only they're the only couple to actually get married and
they are still together from the season, which is I think, well, yeah,
we'll talk about it. But I think that when you
look at like most seasons, it's only like one or
two couples that stay together, Like every season they go

(38:24):
back and look back and like, look at this happy couple.
They're all from like different seasons, so if you're not familiar,
the success rate for people to find their true love
is very low. Like they're still the premium couple is
from season one. If you haven't watched it from season one,
that's still like the ultimate couple from this love is blind.

(38:45):
It's like, yes, thank you for your work and finding
love because you proved the concept to work. And it
still works for them apparently, but nobody else generally. But
that's it for Daniel Taylor, they seem pretty cool. They
took a vacation. Daniel, I forgot was like making his
own Christmas cards as a single man, which is like, wow,
more power to you, brother. He was going to family

(39:06):
boot Camp one oh one bro Okay, he was ready.
Now he just got he got his wife. Now that
tandem Christmas cards off top. So good for Daniel and Taylor.
Let's talk about the last couple to make it to
the Altar, Virginia and Devn. Devn.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
What that surprised me the most?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Did surprise me as well? Did surprise me as well.
But I was saying throughout it's not gonna work. But
I was surprised that what happened at the Altar because
you can say, I can think it's not gonna work,
but they still get together and still say, yes, that's happened.
But Devin right off top high school basketball coach in Minnesota.
It's funny. I follow, you know, Minneapolis Star Tribune on

(39:50):
Instagram and it just interviewed him for a video on Instagram.
I think the school he coaches at one of state title.
But here's the thing about Devon. He was visually talking
to Brittany, who was in the basketball also coaching. I
believe think she's coaching in college.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I was a college basketball player, I believe as well. Uh,
and told Devin that she was bisexual. Just didn't quite
sit right with Devn at least it didn't seem like
it based on the edit.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Now like I gotta compete with Matt ad women.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Which is like, come on, bro, take it easy. She
chose you. Okay, she chose your ass.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I guess all right. But ultimately I thought he made
the right choice because.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I think Brittany would have been good for him too
that basketball. She could have helped him in his coaching
career something like that. But as soon as you heard
the bisexual thing, he was just like, I don't know,
and you can as far as shifted right over to
which was that was his next choice? Anyway, I think
he probably would have chose Brittany if it wasn't for

(41:04):
this shirt, which is terrible when you think about it.
And a lot of people in the comments of that
video that I told you about said that right they
noticed it wasn't like a at least again based on
this edit, that's what the way it looked. And I'm
not the only one that picked up on that.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
There is no cast members that are interviewed after that,
like to you know, like get around in the edits
be like, this is what really happened? Doesn't seem like
he explained that, well, he seems to be something that
we saw and uh, as it was, you know, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Devin didn't talk about a lot of his views on camera,
which they talked about at the reunion, and Virginia said
they did a lot of protecting of him, which is like,
why why wouldn't you share your views about this stuff
on camera? A lot of the women did, Virginia did,
and no problem doing it neither. Why wouldn't you It didn't.

(42:02):
What strikes me is that when you hear it like
he's very his family was very conservative and how they're voted,
and their religious very religious. And again, like we said
the Boss Sarah and Ben, you know, a lot of churches,
a lot of religion is not very open to people
that are the gay or lesbian, trans you know, on

(42:24):
on through. So what is the deal? There's my question.
That's my question. And it is like I would assume
he's now going to be more public than ever, but
he's also in coaching. He coaches girls basketball. Yeah, he
coaches girls basketball. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I mean people like to say, oh, keep politics out
of this, out of that, but it's like your views
really kind of dictate the decisions you make also and
everyday life. You know. It's if you're a certain belief
about something that can literally affect your coaching decisions or
decisions you make around your team, you know. And that's

(43:11):
it's not just like you're it's not just your one
person here, one person there. You're like, you're the same
person making the same decisions. And when people are like, oh,
like that has nothing to do with this, it has
everything to do with it, because it's literally who you
are as a person. You know, your beliefs and faith

(43:31):
dictate your decisions, and that's that could be beneficial and
that could be not so good.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, it's it's a lot. It's a lot, he was.
It's shifty for me, I was.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And I didn't get that vibe from him until late
in the season.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I got that vibe. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I think you're right about the Britney point. But even
after that, I kind of like, Okay, like maybe he's
maybe that was just poorly edited or something right.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
But it's still like it said based on that edit,
it didn't. You could tell it didn't sit right with him,
see the look in his face. And things shifted from there,
which wasn't again not great. And again he's apparently very
secretive about, you know what, his thoughts, because Virginia again
was very open about what she thought about things. She

(44:24):
was like, here's a pre dub that too, geez that
I about her, like her political view as far as
for quality, for abortion rights, for women's rights, the whole thing,
And Devin was like, you know, my family typically most conservative,
and that's pretty much the extent of what he said.
And then we get to, like you said the pre

(44:44):
nup which I thought once this was brought up, he
was going to balk at it. I don't know, but
to I will give him credit for this, I guess.
He said, I'm gonna tak a look at it, and
my people took a look at it, and he had
the family lawyer take a look at it. Dot the
eyes across the t's and whatnot. Yet everything they had
to do, which I, okay, that's fair. You got to
do that. You know you're signing it's a legal document.

(45:07):
He looks at it, he likes what he read. This typical.
She's like, we're above board here, let's do it, and
they sign it, boom something and they locked it and
everything else that they were talking about seemed cool, like
they seemed to vibe together. I thought the prenupt conversation
was a normal Nobody seemed like offended or anything like that.
He think she didn't seem like he was offended.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
She also explained it kind of perfectly right. We have
what we have now and know anything we make together
will be split I mean.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Right some people.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
He seemed very uh, cognizant of his feelings as she
was kind of describing it. Not just and She's like
it just makes sense, and here's why. And I didn't
see the flaw in her argument at all.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I mean, logically, there is no flaw. I guess, you know,
I guess maybe he can probably find one, I guess.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
But like it is like what the but right?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Also, when people react that way, when you hear about prenup,
all you think we're gonna get it. You know, we're
gonna get a divorce. What do you think? You don't
think we're gonna last long? And it's like, you know, realistically,
you know, people get divorced, Like that's just a thing
that happens unfortunately, uh in marriages.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
And you're also on Love is Blind.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I mean, you met over the course of a week
and got married.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
So I don't know if any other couple had, you know,
in previous seasons brought this up, but I think the
time seen it.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
One hundred percent. And I feel like prenup coming out
of Love is Blind would be a smart move if
you get if you were to get married, I feel
like a pre nup in that situation.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Like why didn't they think of that?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Because the chances are you probably won't last long coming
out of there. Some people don't make it out of there.
So if you do get married, who knows how long
you're gonna last. So, uh, yeah, I don't blame Virginia
at all for doing that because they she don't know
Devin like that still at the end of the day,
but they signed the prenup I'm getting I'm thinking they
locked in and then they get to that altar and

(47:10):
Virginia says, I can't, I can't no more, I can't
do it. No, sir, I say, no.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Sir, Devin's niece. What happened? What happened?

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
That was rough?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
That was rough. That was But man, I feel like
she didn't give him much of an explanation at the time,
which I feel like he could have gotten one. You
could have gotten you could have told him at that point,
like hey, this is why you know I thought that
was I'm not feeling that that was.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
A better couple I thought than Taylor and Daniel at
that point, Like I was like, oh, this couples like
that one like Taylor Daniel is close to. But for me,
Virginia and Devon they seemed to even with the weird conversations,
like they always seem to come back to each other
and like see being on the same page. I was like, oh, yeah,
this is gonna be the Hallmark couple of season eight.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
And then that happened again not going to work because
they didn't see out of eye on a lot of
these issues.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
They didn't know that it was brought up. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I mean I knew it when he's very religious, uh
and his family voted conservative, like he said that, But
I think so.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
But that's I think there's a difference between like eye
to eye versus open to like Virginia's view, and I
thought it was more Devin being open to Virginia.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I didn't get that vibe. Yeah, after after the way
he kind of shifted from away from Brittany, I didn't
get that vibe.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
So that's true.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
So look, just based on the edit, that's that. That's
the got But.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
By episode thirteen, I forgot about Brittany, So that's fair.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
But and I've bened it too. You didn't, you know,
you probably watched it like the four or five, right,
I didn't. But yeah, she do him at the altar
and doesn't give him a bunch of a lot of
an explanation at that time, but she eventually talked about
you know what it was like.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
On the y right, the car that waits just like
they opened up in the car when they leave.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Oh yeah yeah, I forgot about that in the car
and in the camera in the car. But but yeah,
she talked about what do you get like a gift
or something like that from work? Somebody give him a
thousand bucks? Yeah, yeah, a thousand dollars and he just
kind of kept to himself before they got married. He
didn't tell her.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
About Maybe that was prenup.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I'm gonna walk away with this thousand dollars. Okay, she
didn't get none of this thousand dollars, and I got
what did he do with that check after they didn't
get married?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Did he get it back?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I guess you give it back, right.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I don't know what if what if he told them
they got married then and now we spent it was
like a year later, it was like, wait a second.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
But you watched the show and found out he didn't
get married. That'd be crazy, that'd be crazy, mean, and
why he spent your money? Crazy? You have to give
that back, right? I mean they can also be like, hey, man,
keep it for to heal your broken heart, you know,
go on to vacation, go go, I don't know, do
something with it. I don't know, but that is crazy though.

(50:19):
I feel like you get a thousand dollars for a
wedding gift. Uh, you tell the other person, right, I guess,
But I guess, like you said, in his mind, this
was his pre nup. She ain't get none of this
unless she says I do, and she didn't. So there's
that anything else on Devon in Virginia?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Was it? Virginia found a note from Devon's ex girlfriend
that she called ex girlfriend, but Devin had said and
this was settlment reunion. I believe that Devon it wasn't.
He doesn't view her as his ex girlfriend because she's
one of his He this girl is one of Devin's

(51:01):
best friends. Now you know they did date, but like
he doesn't view her as an ex girlfriend. But Virginia
obviously saw a letter from his ex girlfriend. Thought it
was thought it was more than I guess Devin did,
so that was also part of her decision. She said
she saw that tonight before the wedding, on his night

(51:22):
day in a little bit. Obviously that probably shifted her
in more of that direction of no, but I can
also I did take Devin at face value with that,
because if you're if there's so many people I know
that dated each other but like they're friends after there's
no weirdness about it, But there's also people that would

(51:45):
be weird about that as well, So you know, Virginia
might have been on the other side that it's weird.
Devin might have been like, like, no big deal, like
I'm not with her, she's married anyway somebody else, you know,
So I didn't know if that was as much a
deal big as the one thousand dollars check.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Not the end, it's just another like thing. He's shifty about.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Bro exactly, Like like why would he leave something like
that as a nice stand anyway? Like if out the
open you know why Virginia was over there, who knows.
But it's not like Devin didn't know. It doesn't seem
like he didn't think she would be over there, So
I mean he left it out there as well, Like

(52:25):
I mean, he could have just been like, hey, I
got this, Like yeah, he was a little shifty for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
For sure. Let's let's shift gears to what me and
my wife deemed to be the love square of doom.
You have love triangles. This was a love square that
was sometimes a triangle, but it was four people involved.
We got Alex, we got Madison, we got Mason, and

(52:55):
then we got Meg who was kind of got the
short straw this but then kind of lucked out in
the end. Look good in the end. We'll talk about it.
Let's start out with Alex and Madison, because this is
where this is the crux of the issue here for me,
because Alex is this real shy guy. He's mercilessly bullied

(53:16):
as a kid. The poor guy got I mean, he
told some of those stories. I was just like this,
poor baby, he's this man needs a hug man. He's
terrorized as a child. Children are evil and that's what
I'm saying as a father, but some evil kids out there, bro.
And Madison has also a traumatic childhood. She was pretty

(53:39):
much out here in the you know, doing her on
her own since a kid in rough childhood for both
of them, so they pretty much trauma bonded over the
course of the time in the Pods and through that,
Madison chooses Alex as her guy. She tells him as much,
You're my guy, you number one. But then she turned
right around and went to this other guy named Mae

(54:00):
Mason right at the same time, and Hey, Mason, I
like you, bro. But part of that, I think part
of that was because Alex didn't necessarily give her like
a firm answer like yeah, you mine want number one two,
So she was like, well, I'll keep my options open.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah, it's gotta be mutual in this setup.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
That's true, that's fair. So Madison stills playing the field.
She goes to Mason. Mason likes her, Mason likes her.
They'd like talking and with Madison, no, she's like two
different people with Alex and Mason. With Alex she's like
real vulnerable, she's always talking about her childhood and past traumas.
And then with Mason she's all fun, she's tworking. They

(54:40):
got like strobe lights going going off. I'm like, wow,
Alex is missing all of this. He gets to the
trauma and she's out here toking with Mason like this
is this is a wild dichotomy here. So Mason likes
her though, but Mason also likes Maga. He likes her too,
but Madison is his number one. The problem is he's

(55:02):
not Madison's number one that's Alex who doesn't love Madison.
He likes her, but she rubs him the wrong way. Sometimes.
He don't like how he talks about certain people, esquitely,
specifically Mason. She didn't he didn't like how she talked

(55:24):
about Mason because Madison was talking crazy about Mason, called
him a liar and all this nonsense. There's a lot
of stuff Alice like, yo, bro, I'm good. Actually, I'm good.
It breaks up with her, Alex leaves with no one, right.
I don't think he didn't get engaged right yet.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
So so that's.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
What we called the love square of doom. So Madison
now does she.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Does?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
She turned to Mason after that? How did just go?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
So turn to Mason. I believe Mason said no or
Madison said no to Mason, and I think she was
going to be with Alex. But that Alex was like,
I don't know. I don't like how you talkt to Mason.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yes, because committed to her, yes.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Which I thought was terrible for Alex. A terrible look
for Alex because at the at the time, and listen, like,
there there's stuff, there's stuff out there right now about
Alex that we haven't gotten into. But there are stories
about him, theories about him. Oh, I don't know if

(56:40):
it's confirmed, but I have read that, so it might
be a good thing that he didn't. Uh you know,
it might have been like let mother bend situation type thing.
But I thought that he and Madison were going to
get engaged for sure, and I think he like backed

(57:00):
out of it. And I don't necessarily know if it's
honestly because of Matt the way Madison treated Mason or
anything like that, but I think at that point he
was just like, yeah, I'm good, Like maybe this whole
thing isn't for me, you know, like, and I believe
he was. He wasn't Alex one of the guys that

(57:21):
showed up at the reunion for season seven because they
had people from season eight.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Uh man, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
He looked familiar from that and they had like a
couple other people. But I didn't go back and watch it,
so I don't know, but he looked familiar from that aspect,
So maybe like at that time, I'm sure, I guess. See,
I don't even know if season eight was wrapped by
that point, but I.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Just remember Alex from when he introduced himself and he
talked about all his horrible traumas, and then they immediately
cut to a video of him walking down the hallway
with a big smile on his face and like, look
at me now. I was like what that a while?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, so I think he was more of like a
maybe uh intimidated a little bit by the process, and
because I thought him and Madison were like it, you know,
like that.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I thought that I don't know if Alex, I mean,
Alex checked her kind of a few times throughout that process,
but I don't know that kind of a lot for me.
I don't I have my own stuff. I don't need
to take yours on too, like you know, like I
kind of want to have fun. He never really fully
committed to her, so I think maybe eventually.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Got there, but I think maybe it's because he wanted
Madison to commit to him first. Maybe I don't know,
but what she did, Yeah, but that was it. Like
by that point, it was like, man, like you were
talking about me to Mason and all that, you know,
talking about Mason to me, and I didn't like that.
So you're probably going behind the backs of everyone, and it's.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Like, meanwhile, Alex was enough on Mason as he's heartbroken
by Madison. Madison breaks up with him essentially, and Alex's like,
I'm sorry, man, sorry to hear that.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
They literally when they went home, he reached right after her,
you know. So it's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Man? People are messy? This is the whole is the
whole thing is messy. So eventually though, uh, Mason, after
he gets turned down by Madison, then turns to Meg
who's kind of the fourth wheel on this somehow. She's
kind of dangling out there in the wind because Mason
was trying to give him Madison and that didn't work,
and May kind of caught wind of this and turned

(59:34):
Mason down. Mason gets his heartbroken like twice in one day.
It's like, oh, come on, bro. And I think he
said at one point, like I've been had my heart
broken many times. I'm the one that somebody's moved on
to something else, you know. I'm one of tho justs
always been left. And here he is again getting left
twice in one season. But don't worry, Magan, Mason. They
gave it a shot. After the show. They actually met

(59:57):
in real life. How about that. Uh, But let's talk
about on Madison because she's super messy. Bro, at least
she was in this show. The way she tried to
talk crap about Mason and saying like, oh, he was lying.
He he committed to me and dated Meg, Like, hey, bro,
you did the same thing. You kind of did the
same thing. And then she brought out the receipts, the

(01:00:18):
quote unquote receipts from the reunion he said, he said this,
and then all she saw was like skull emojis.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Was like, okay, that's not okay, like Alex talking about Mason.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
And it's like messy but like, but.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I guess not the bike drop that she thought it
would be, not not the this you uh like thing.
I get. I give that a C minus maybe maybe
a D much maybe a D, but it was not a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Passing grade for me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I thought that skull emogis were pretty funny, though.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I mean, and then that could be taken any way,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
To me, it's always like I'm cracking up. I'm dead, Like,
I guess that's who in contact. It's usually how I've
seen that used.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I believe so too, but there could be another way
to explain it. I don't know, Like, either way, it's
not what she thought it was gonna be not enough
for her to have it like tucked away. She actually
screen grabbed it, put it on pieces of paper, printed
it out, like put it on a document, printed it out,
and then tucked it for the whole reunion and said
here it is wap and then unfurled it and was

(01:01:25):
like skull emojis am I right? And that was it
and the crowd went mild, that's it. I thought she
she had like all the evidence. It's gonna it's gonna shake.
The foundation of love is blind, like so much to
like Alex was gonna punch Mason in her face right

(01:01:47):
and there I was like, oh, he say, what do
he say? And he ain't say nothing. Mason is just
like that's it, bro Okay. I thought Alex said something crazy.
So I didn't like how mesch she was. She she
was a bit much for me. Uh, but yeah, that's
all I've got fun Love is Blonde Season Day, anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
You got, Uh, let's see, I think I got everything
in that I wanted to. I don't remember if I
mentioned this about Monica and Joey. I didn't note that
Joey didn't seem to make any effort on his own

(01:02:26):
to talk to Monica's sister to see if, you know,
they needed to hash anything out or get on the
same page. And now I think we know, we realize
this because he never loved Monica and he just didn't
care to do that. And I just don't know if
I mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Earlier, but that was like the one that I wanted
to work the most, and for most of the season,
I was like, these Monica Joey seemed like fun, you know,
like Taylor or Daniel were fun, but like Monica and
Joey have like that quirkiness about him that I generally
like in these types of shows. And uh, I was like,
oh damn, all of them, like one after the other,

(01:03:05):
saying no, saying no, and I'm like, what is going
on here? That's what happened? Like okay, Teller and Daniel,
I mean, will they make it a thousand? Uh No?
They got married? Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I was genuinely surprised with Virginia. I remember not being.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I think I was still surprised with said I take
that back, man, I feel like I go back and forth.
I remember saying during the season that it's not going
to work. But I always feel like I separated between
like they could still get married, it's still not work.
Like they they may not still make it to the reunion,
you know, like as a couple. But also forget that
most people don't. There's a lot of people who don't
make it to the Altar too, like, so it's it's

(01:03:47):
it's a lot, man, it's hard to keep track of.
But sorry, it's not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Was it a D that got dumped at the Altar?
Season six? Right? Oh, Craig. Was it a D or
somebody else? It might have been somebody else, but it
might have been I think that was like the first
time I was seeing that season obviously, and I was
taken aback by it. I'm like, oh my god, like

(01:04:13):
this really happens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, I think that. I think he did leave at
Alta because it felt like they was that she was
going to say yes and it was going to be
a mistake and like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yeah, but and I'm like the build up to it,
you know, the day of and all the conversations they
have with their family and then just separately to producers
or whatever, and it's like, Okay, I just crazy crazy
that that was, like this season rivaled that for me

(01:04:41):
in terms of like, oh my god, you know, I
just Virginia and Devin especially. I think that was the
most shocking one for me that I think, and the
fact that Virginia was the one to say no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yes, I agree with that. I thought Virginia was. I
thought Virginia was locked in, and it surprised me that
Monica and Joey didn't say yes. I thought they was
going to say yes as well. But they're off to
where are they going to next season? Denver?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Denver, Colorado?

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
So let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I don't know, man, because there's already like I feel
like there was about that's a few seasons and Philly
is not listed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I feel like, man, they come here. Man, you're never
going to hear the end of this, like these people,
the way that this will dominate the conversation in this
town because these these are real people, bro. People are
going to be seeing them in the streets and then
were taking pictures of them like it it's gonna be nuts.
So right, what that's that the next like sporting Bachelor

(01:05:39):
parte that they're going to do because they always like
the mental like a sporting event. Now because they don't they.
I don't know if they've done like strip clubs or
anything like that in the past, but for the last
couple of seasons they take the women into like I
don't know, like they usually take them to like lame experiences.
I guess this year they did like the the the
Golden Girls rop or whatever it was. They did do
them all of America. That actually kind of fun. But

(01:06:01):
like the guys they went to a Wizards game one season,
is like, who's to go to a Wizards game?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yay?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
And then they did the Viking saying nixt shit this year,
which was that was nice of them. But yeah, that's
Love is Blind Season eight. So are you ready, though,
shifting gears again to deep dive into WrestleMania twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
We're going Hollywood again, baby. Oh, let's not technically Hollywood.
Love is Blind. I mean it could be considered Hollywood, right,
I mean, I guess this doesn't matter. We're going Hollywood anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Let's do it. Oh, no, sound okay. Wrestle Mania twenty
one took place on April third, two thousand and five.
The show emanated from the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California.
The building of course now known as Crypto dot Com

(01:06:52):
Arena Boo, which does not have the same ring to it.
Man arena names used to be so much fun. Man
used to be even even Staples Center, which is like
super corporate, but like it still had a kind of
like a ring to it, and it was like one
of the first, like major corporate deals too. I remember,
like like in the late nineties, under two thousands, it

(01:07:13):
is like one of the first. FedEx Field might have
been the first, but we see where that is now.
But in the names, of course, before the sponsorship was
way better, like the Great Western Form. It's way better
than the Kia form or the Into It Dome, which
is a Clippers arena. So the Great Western Form sounds

(01:07:33):
great because literally it's got it in his name, come.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
On, exactly. But the Cincinnati Reds the Great American Ballpark.
Great American might be a company. I don't know that,
but it still sounds cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
What makes that the great American ballpark? Though by what metric?
Who deemed it to be? The case? Is that? Do
the Reds have like a great ballpark? Who says, I guess.
Let me be the judge of that. Cincinnati, But we've
discussed this time period multiple times, but we're finally at
two thousand and five as big as event wrest so Mania.

(01:08:09):
It's gone Hollywood. So we've been following Batista and his
saga to get to the world title, but there's also
another equally important one playing on a SmackDown. I mean
it didn't feel at the time that's fair. In hindsight,
it proved to be more important, right, crazy funnily enough,

(01:08:31):
but that is because John Cena is challenging John Bradshaw
lay Field for the w w E Championship, and I wrote,
though that show won't that match won't close the show,
Sena's crowning moment proved to be even more impactful and
important to WWE at least, then Batista is in hindsight

(01:08:51):
right because we're still telling seen a story in WWE
to this day. Yeah, where Batista has been mostly in
Holly for more than a decade and retired for like
four or five years now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
So he chilling and super like slim.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah, he's not coming back, and uh so don't worry
about that scene is still around for he ain't coming back.
I don't think neither. Once he's done for what for who?
For what?

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Hall of Fame. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
That's it. But we also have on this show the
debut of a new type of laddermat. It's called Money
in the Bank. You might have heard of that. And unfortunately, uh,
the final WrestleMania appearance from Eddie Guerrero. That's sad. But overall,
there was a lot, I mean a lot of good

(01:09:42):
wrestling on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Man, he holds up well, it holds up really well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
This is this is man, this is It's an underrated
because I feel like people talk about wrestling in seventeen,
WrestleMania nineteen, but WrestleMania twenty one. Man, Like he said,
it holds up really well. As far as the n
ring and w W wasn't doing everything right at this time.
We talked about it. New York's Revolution was one of

(01:10:11):
the most problematic shows I've ever seen from start to finish, right,
But they did WrestleMania right, which was like, okay, all right, man,
I guess you got.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
That problematic stuff on WrestleMania. Didn't leave it dent, which
is good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
A little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
There was one segment we got all the problematic characters
one segment. It's just like Okay, if you're gonna do it,
squeeze him all in there at once and get him
out of here. Let me enjoy the rest of the show.
You didn't have right, right, We're not lumping Carlito into that, well,
I mean it was, he was not He's not the segment.

(01:10:50):
We're not lumping who else is out there for that.
We're not lumping Davari or the actual person of Muhammad.
I seen signed into that, but we'll talk about it
when we get to that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Missed them up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Colito's out there for Piper's pit, Yes, but anything you
know from this time period. Do you have any memories
you have from watching this show. I'm not sure if
you watched it live. I did not watch this live,
but any memories you hadn't be watching it live.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
And as a kid, just like really, all I wanted
was Batista to win. I didn't know that we would
get one of the best WrestleManias ever. I still believe
it's one of the best WrestleManias ever. And I thought
it'd be really hard to top WrestleMania twenty because at
that time it was the best WrestleMania ever to me. Obviously,
it was two thousand and four, so it was years
before bad things happened. So to me, that was a

(01:11:43):
very special WrestleMania that WrestleMania twenty one happened, and I
was like, oh my god, is it like does this
rival WrestleMania twenty Is it even better than WrestleMania twenty
For me? At the time, I was still like if
he on Batista, I was like, man, I don't know
if he's going to like be able to carry his accompany.
It will triple H. Let him women belt now and

(01:12:06):
then just take it back later the way. You know.
I thought he was going to do it Chris pinoit's
the previous year he wound up not but it just
went through Randy then it back to triple H. So
I was like, okay, like that's probably gonna happen again.
This is the triple H reign of terror uh era,
not the ruthless aggression errors, the triple H rain of

(01:12:27):
Terror era terror risin ever, and uh That's what I
just I thought was going to happen. So, like as
Ju says, I was for this pay per view and
how great it was, and even after I was just
kind of like all right, like when do we come
back down to earth? Because Triple H is eventually going
to be champion again, and to his credit, he was.

(01:12:48):
He did not beat Batista at least, and I don't
think he was champion again for a few years. So yeah,
you know that twenty two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
He also got hurt too. Remember he got hurt. He
did like six so he missed like almost all of
well not all of it, he missed like a bunch
of six in a bunch of seven. So that helped
him not win a title for a couple of years,
because I feel like he won the title again an
O seven, so not long after he came back at SummerSlam. Yeah,

(01:13:17):
so look at that. Look how that worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
And it was I think it was that one night, right,
so it was like, oh my god, of course, but
then Randy won it back the next night and then
he didn't hold it again for like a little bit,
so I was like, okay, like maybe we're past that
at this point. But I just didn't know if w
had Batista as like their face, and obviously it wop
John Cena months later, but I didn't think John Cena

(01:13:42):
was as big as you know, he was going to be.
I kind of was just kind of out on him
at that point, like he didn't do anything for me.
I didn't think he was entertaining at the time. Watching
it back, I think it's you know, better than I
probably thought it was back then. But I was all
Batits sit up, man, Like that was my guy. So
I was just housed ww gonna screw Batista type thing,

(01:14:05):
and I was like, this is all about him, man.
And thankfully they made evented won the title And I
hate it because I recorded it on VCR of VHS
and I was rewinding. I always rewound like the end
of the main events, so I could just rewatch it

(01:14:25):
the climax and then like the pin or whatever and
then the aftermath, and I accidentally hit whenever I would
rewind it as it was rewinding. If I hit play,
it would kind of mess up the tracking a little
bit in the film, so it would kind of crumble
the film up a little bit, and then eject the
tape and I would have to fix it and shit,
and I'm like, damn it, because when I would put

(01:14:45):
it back in the pitcher would be all messy for
about like twenty seconds because of that crumpledness of the film,
so I accidentally rewound it and hit play as Batista
was hitting the Batista Bomb. So I totally screwed up
the end of that match on my VHS. I was

(01:15:08):
so pissed off. Oh, man, so pissed off.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
So I'm surprised you were still using VHS in two
thousand and five. I probably was too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
That I did not switch to DVD until two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Eight because I had a DV We had a DVD
player in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I'm pretty sure, but I've recorded all these Yeah, I
didn't have a DVD recorder until two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
I feel like I also had DVR, so maybe I
recorded some of these pay per views and DVR. I
don't know either way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
I'm sure I like the physical media, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
I like the physical media too, Man, what happened to
physical media?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
We sound old, But that one of that VHS is
in my closet right now somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
So good days you could just hold a piece of
content in your hands.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
I was just so mad that now if I wanted
to go back and watch the end of that match,
it be all screwed up and uh so lucky for Peacock.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
I guess, yeah, yeah, I guess so or you now
at this point, Yeah, it's it's all over the internet.
I'm sure it's twenty years old, so it shouldn't be
hard to find. As for the show itself, we get
you know, Lilian and Garcia starting it off with America
the Beautiful and you know, over the clips of Tribute
to the Troops, which was not an uncommon thing to

(01:16:27):
see around this time. Uh. And then we get a
look at the stage, which was incredible in my opinion,
what a great stage fit the Hollywood made perfectly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
You know what made it? That red carpet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Red carpet was great, nice stage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
It was a nice see the red carpet for all
big pay per views. Man, something about the red carpet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
It was just the la Ones. It makes those unique.
It fits la with you know, movie premieres. I don't
know if it fits every town.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
We should have had a red carpet at Philly last
year just because green carpet.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
They could have. They probably could have done a green carpet. Cool,
but I loved them lifting up the curtain on the show.
That was pretty cool. Just if in case you were wondering.
We did a WrestleMania Stage Stage Rankings podcast, yes episode
back in twenty twenty one, episode two eighty. I ranked

(01:17:30):
this at the time number eight in my ranking. This
is that's pretty high, I think to top ten, yeah,
top ten, And it was an arena show, not a
stadium show. I didn't rank the arena shows nearly this high.
So from like the arena shows of this time period,
from like twenty twenty one twenty two, this was by

(01:17:50):
far the highest one. The other two weren't really all
that at all. This was by far the best one.
If you know, if I had to do it again,
and probably I don't know where it would rank. I
know what would rank above it. That would be WrestleMania
thirty nine when it went back to La at Sofi Stadium.
That's among the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Best way ever done it Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yeah, and it was. That one was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Did you know what's funny? Just the other day, as
I was watching twenty one, I stopped it. I turned
on thirty nine just to see Roman Rings entrance because
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
It looked like a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
How good that was great. That's among the best they've
ever done. And I know, I think I've put WrestleMania
thirty four at the top, the Orlando one in WrestleMania
thirty eight, No, the one in New Orleans. That would
have been WrestleMania thirty What was no, the second one

(01:18:47):
at twenty thirty four? So oh, thirty three and thirty
four were the top two, that's what it was. Thirty
three was in Atlanta. I'm sorry. Uh so thirty four
was the ride, right, So not great shows, but great stages.
WrestleMania thirty nine would be in that class.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
In my honestly, man, it off the top of my head,
it'd be my number one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
It might be number one. I'd have to look at
him again and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Put that wrote Roman Reigning entrance. Man, I was like,
for all someone something just told me to stop watching
the main event of WrestleMania twenty one internal on the
Roman trained entrance of thirty nine, and I did.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
There you go, and hey, look, WrestleMania forty great show,
but WrestleMania thirty nine stage was better. I'm not wow.
And you can listen to that again on episode two
eighty go check it out. We could run that back
at some point too, to do a new list. The
opening video package for WrestleMania twenty one, though, was the

(01:19:46):
combination of the mock movie you know ving Yes, they
were running throughout the build up to WrestleMania. I forgot
that they had Eugene playing Forrest Gump too, and he
pushed a lady in the video, but he punched a lady.
But the last one was great that they showed right
before the show, and that was Steve Auston playing Russell

(01:20:07):
Crow's gladiator. So that was a cool one, I thought.
But that's the opening to the show. He did right
off top. He's gonna unleash Hell or something like that.
That's what he said, and he did. He did that
at Wrestling twenty one. He wasn't lying. The shirt said
it all like they said on commentary. But let's get

(01:20:30):
into the format. We got the match of the night,
the worst match of the night, the top non wrestling happening,
the worst non wrestling happening, and some random thoughts of course,
some hitting gems. If you got one of those two, Nick,
I'll start with you. What was your match of the
night from WrestleMania twenty one?

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Oh man, I think we're gonna not see I here
just kidding. Michaels versus Cridangle, Yeah, that's the oppersite, the
match of the night, you know. I I went into
this with an open mind, thinking like maybe they're you know,
I hadn't seen WrestleMania twenty one in forever, so I
was like, Okay, Shawn Michael's Kardangle, let's see if anything
rivals that there were really really there was a ton

(01:21:09):
of great matches on this card, but I obviously that
one's still a notch above the rest. Only thing I
didn't like about it too much. I still think the
ending was a little bit too long.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
I don't think we needed Shaw Michael's in the ankle
locke for thirty five minutes. But you know, like he
tries to go for the ropes a few times, okay, Kerdangle,
finally sits down on it. Okay, ten seconds later he
should tap out, and it was like another minute, it
felt like, and it's like all right, like we get
it at this point. Not doesn't take away from the

(01:21:45):
match for me personally, but it's like, okay, like what
are we what are we waiting for? Tap the hell out?
So uh, but I don't know, kind of kind of
like the desperation of Kurt too and were you know,
he just wasn't gonna let Sean out of the hold man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
I like that actually. I like that ending where Sean
is holding on for Deer, like he's just holding on
and holding on. I think maybe for me, maybe for me,
it's also because Jr. Is telling the story and commentary
and the crowd's kind of into it, so it just
added to the moment. Yeah, it did go for a while,
but I think it it fit the moment for me,

(01:22:29):
and I think it added to the drama of the finish,
So yeah, I liked it. I love that spot where
Angel picks up the Shawn Michaels and he's like cussing
them out and Shawn Michaels is suddenly super kicks him.
It's such a classic moment. I talked about it extensively
last year. There's another one you can go back to
in the podcast archives where I know we did our

(01:22:50):
countdown of the best matches in WrestleMania history leading up
to WrestleMania forty. That ranking, I guess would remain largely
unchanged outside of I would maybe add the Cody versus
Roman somewhere in there, but I had this ranked high
on the list. I think I'm pretty sure it was
top ten. So so I've already expressed my thoughts and

(01:23:11):
written form podcasts form about how much I love this match.
But Nick, anything else you had about this match is
a classic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
The build up too, you know, it's all kind of
like the build up made it best, you know it
They did like the Raw versus SmackDown here and there,
Like I think there was one match every WrestleMania up
to this point since they had the brand extension. There
were two on WrestleMania twenty one, so it made this
made it feel like more important, I guess because I

(01:23:42):
cared about that stuff back then. For whatever reason, I
just liked the setup they had with the brand extension
and Raw really felt like its own show. SmackDown really
felt like its own show. So, you know, the lead
up to it, with you know, Marty Janetti coming out,
stational ship already coming out, just really added to this

(01:24:04):
and it wasn't. It's crazy because it wasn't the only
match they would have on pay per view this year.
They would have another one, a Vengeance a few months
later that we also did a deep dive on in
our archives and just like incredible stuff. You know, like
Shawn Michael is still in his prime, it seemed like
in this period of his career, and Kurt Agle, you know,

(01:24:26):
in his prime. Just what a like, what a call
to have the East two just face.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Off one as an easy one and honestly we really
think about it. Oh, the best wrestler of all time
versus the best wrestler of all time wrestler?

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Like remember we did like the best WrestleMania Performers of
all time podcast? Yeah, pretty sure, Shaw Michael's undertaker probably
were one one two maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Be versus best actual wrestler. All right, let's do it.
Let's do that. Let's put that on the our key.
Uh And of course you gotta love talk about the
build up. I'm just a sexy Kurt sexy. I'll make
your ankle hurt. Classic classic song. Should have went platinum, should.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Have didn't Kurt had like he started the batch without
the straps on, and I think so he wound up
putting on them on just to turn it back off.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Yes, which angle man, what a what a what a guy?
But I had an honorable mention here in case you
were kind of sort of like two honorable, three, three, Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I was sticking to so many.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
I'll stick with to this. Next honorable mention has to
be Money in the Bank, the first one ever. I
don't have a ton to say outside of Shelton. Benjamin
stole the show. Did the t bone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Held money and look at that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Look at that?

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
He too bad. I didn't win. He didn't win the money.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
He never did win it, did he know?

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
He did the best spots, including when he ran up
the ladder, which was sick for two thousand and five.
I was like, well heard of WHOA. I was like
wrestling fan seeing somebody doing the matrix for the first time.
Who this is crazy? And then clothes line Jerich off
the top with the ladder, which is wild but yeah,
edge winds but again, great ladder match and with a

(01:26:22):
lot at steak and a good way to get a
lot of big names onto the show. And oh yeah,
and Kane and Benoit, you know those two guys. And
my next honorable mention was Undertaker versus Randy Yorton.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Oh my goodness, we are. I don't think we've ever
been far as far apart as we are now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Wow. Okay, so all right, that was my last honorable mentions?
What are your honorable mention?

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I have Raybisterio Eddie Guerrero as an honorable mention because
even though it was short, I think it was about
as good as they could have done with Ray in
his physical natures. These obviously bothered him. Eddie just it
wasn't nineteen ninety seven. I don't think anything could have
been nineteen ninety seven. But this was the seed planet

(01:27:13):
for the Eddie and Ray storyline throughout the Yes, it was,
and I thought they did it beautifully. I actually thought
Eddie was gonna win this, and so when it Ray did,
and I remember thinking in two thousand and five, I
was like, oh no, like they're gonna have a feud
and ed he's gonna kill him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Yep, he did, he did. We can talk about it.
I had this as my hitting gym.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I don't think people, I don't think it was like
I didn't have any hitting gym because I didn't see
think anything was hidden.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Like I get you, this was the opening match on
the show. It's not like goes in the middle, you know,
the second match. It was an opener, and it's two
big stars. But like if I had to choose one
because it was short, but it did plant the seed
for the eventual heel turned for Eddie Guerrero because he.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Was they were tag team champions. I totally forgot about it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Yeah, which was the first time that ever happened. Taxoom
champions go one on one at a WrestleMania. But you
can tell that Eddie Garrell had a little more of
a of an edge to him, no pun intended uh
in in his offense. Yeah, go where to put it?
And Ray Mysterio winning, you can tell, only made.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Eddie Gerrero more basically like all right, he's got to
kill you then, right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
And eventually they fight for custody of Domic Stereo. And
now we got dirty dom today, man, because because of
childhood trauma of like this, Okay, look at the childhood
trauma we all witnessed from Dominic Mysterio. That explains why
he is the way he is today. He just needs therapy.
He don't need an asshoo, but a need therapy, y'all.
Dom If you aren't listening to me, go to therapy. Brother.

(01:28:45):
It's all right, Yeah, we witnessed you childhood trauma in
front of the world. That was tough. It's not your fault, baby,
you can talk to somebody about it. But all right,
but yeah, that was my hitting, Jim. So what is
your next honorable mention?

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Uh, I'm gonna go Triple Ah Batista. Man, they could
have easily not lived up to the hype. And I
think it was a great match. And I think, uh,
you know, Triple H deserves a lot of credit. He
bled a lot, which I don't think he needed to,
but I think he was just trying to bleed, you know,
like that's what Triple H did in that era, you know,

(01:29:19):
a lot he did. And but Batista, you know, he
proved his worth in a WrestleMania main event, not that
he didn't before, but I mean, this is the WrestleMania
main event. Yes it's two thousand and five. Yes it's
a different time. You know, Triple H is there to
you know, lead everything. But Patisa, like I didn't see

(01:29:39):
any cracks in the armor, you know, like he was
he proved himself like he was there and this is
my WW And I thought, you know, I didn't like
seeing a JBL as much, but Triple hs Patisa, I
think probably because it was the last match on the show,
Triple H led a whole lot and patit that Batista

(01:30:00):
bomb just looks ferocious man, like, yeah, it's crazy how
good that looks when everything works together, and just Triple
A staring at him, Batista staring at him after the match,
and Triple H got out and hugging Rick Flair, dragging
himself to the back, like, I think everything was perfect
about that moment, and I don't think it could have

(01:30:22):
been better.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
I agree with you. I think you know. I can
admit when i'm and I made a mistake. I can
see myself underrating and that The thing is is that,
like it's the main event, it wasn't my favorite match
of the show. This wasn't necessarily my second favorite match
in the show, not even my third apparently, so it
didn't really I can't call it hidden it's the main event,

(01:30:45):
but I can see in hindsight how that what I
did enjoy the match, especially the ending, especially I did
like Batista just beating the daylights out of He just
beat him up, which is like, that's unique. You don't
usually see that a lot in the main event. You
inspect Triple A to take more of control, and he
really didn't Batista just battered Triple H on the whole
match and then hit him with a Batista bomb and

(01:31:07):
then yelled in his face like I told you get
out of my ring, and it was like, wow, he
just dominated that man. So yeah, I think to your point,
that was a good story to tell. In the main event,
Triple Ah came out with Motorhead. He thought he's going
to be the man and he got ran through by
the animal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Jim Ross meeting the moment. I thought that he was
great on commentary as well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
That's I think that's all true. I liked Randy Ordon
Undertakers and as an honorable mention for me because the
streak was on the line, I think this was the best.
But listen, this is the best Undertaker match that he
had a WrestleMania to this point. Wow, period.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Better than Giant Gonzalez. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
I mean, the only one that would probably come close
was the first Triple H match. So and that r
KO counter was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
The count fourteen was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
It wasn't better than this. This is the best match
is between this or his Triple H matches at WrestleMania seventeen.
This was a really good match.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
There was one good spot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
There's multiple there's multiple things happening, and that I enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
At least the rksland was my favorite spot of that match.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Great spot, great spot.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Everything else was not. It's okay, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
I said, I can in hindsight, I see your point
about the main event. It just I don't know. It
didn't stick with me like those other matches did.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
But was this the first year they really mentioned the streak? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
And uh so I get that. I will say this
is my honorable mention for worst match in the night.
Who not my worst match, but it's an honorable mention
because Randy Orton watched a lot of moves in this match.
And I was very, very surprised the Undertaker or agreed
to work with him after this because he botched old school,

(01:33:16):
like he could have broke Undertaker's ankle man, like he
didn't know what the hell he was doing. Undertaker went
for old school. He literally landed like right or Randy Orton,
I was like, oh my god, like that was a
close call. But then he watched the last ride. He
seemed like the Undertaker at least was going to hit
the last ride before Cowboy Bob came in, but they
seemed to stumble a little bit. I think Orton's momentum

(01:33:38):
went a little too far. It seems like that to
me because the Undertaker trip that fell, Like I feel
like either Orton was supposed to go all the way
over or take the last ride, and neither of that happened,
So it just looked really bad. And then like Undertaker
looked visibly frustrated in this match. To me, after a

(01:33:59):
few of those botched, he didn't like act on that frustration.
But to me, it's like man Randy Orton went from
beating Chrispinoit at SummerSlam OH four World Champion to losing
the Triple H being made a fool of, only to
get another chance and wrestle Mania with the Undertaker and likes,

(01:34:20):
he's kind of batching this. To his credit, he made
a good feud out of it after this. I think
this particular match was the worst of his matches with
the Undertaker in this year. So yeah, I was just surprised.
I remember watching it live kind of like underwhelmed a

(01:34:41):
little bit. And I wasn't like an Orton guy anyway.
I was like, oh, like he's a nerd, like he's
a geek because of what evolution did to him. I
don't take him seriously anymore. It wasn't really until the
voices in my head Randy Orton, that I started taking
him seriously. Remember I used to call him the most
boring wrestler in w on this podcast. But he is not.

(01:35:03):
He's not any longer. So we're gonna scrub that from
the internets. But yeah, I just I was like, man, like,
Orton had a chance, and you know, to the Undertaker's credit,
like he kind of shook that off. I was like,
let's continue, you know, working with each other. And so
they had that Summer Slam rematch and then he came

(01:35:26):
back at Scyber Series and for Randy Orton, so you know,
it wasn't the end of it. But yeah, definitely left
me underwhelmed.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Well, I enjoyed it more than you did. I guess
what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Yeah, I blamed for what wrong. Maybe that's unfair, but
you know, the Undertaker just he could have like gotten hurt.
Not that, like, you know, it's obviously a risk they take,
but some of the botches.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I was like, damn, mhmm, let's move on to the
worst match of the night. I don't have an honorable
mention for this. I think an easy choice would be
the women's title match. I guess as an honorable mention
because it was short and Christy Hemmy didn't really know
what she was doing just yet. But I'm not gonna
do that to them because I don't think they deserve that.

(01:36:15):
I think they did the best that they that they.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Could, agreed, and I think we're going to agree on this, right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
They did the best that they could given the circumstances
because Christy Hemmy wasn't even supposed to be in that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
We saw Leader get hurt at New Year's Revolutions.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
So exactly unfortunate, unfortunate circumstances. But they made the best
out of what they could. Worst match of the night, though,
And I feel almost bad saying that because one of
these participants is no longer with us, and that is
Big show versus Aki Bono.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Agreed. Okay, that was something.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
That was nonsense, that's what you can call it. I
don't know whose idea this was. I don't know where
this came from. Maybe it's talked about in one of
Bruce Purchas's podcasts or something like that. Somewhere. I either
it was a bad idea, I don't care. It doesn't
matter a bad idea. But let's talk about Aqui Bono

(01:37:15):
for a second born in Hawaii, uh and became the
first foreigner ever to claim the title of yoko Zuna
or Grand Champion in the sport of sumo. That's pretty impressive, Okay,
he was legit first ever, the first ever first foreigner

(01:37:36):
to do so. He won won his first title in
ninety three, which is ironically the same year that yoko
Zuna and w w F won his first championship yop Gozuna,
which I know is a coincidence, coincidence, let's call it coincidence.
He won the Grand Tournament eleven times. So Akeui Bono

(01:37:58):
was a legend.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Legit.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Here's the thing. You've retired in two thousand and one.
Oh but WW said, hey, let's do what worked sumo
match four years after you retire with a big show.
Interesting is that we're gonna pay you a lot of
money you down and a Cabama was like, all right,
I don't know about you, though I've actually watched sumo,
not a lot, but I've watched enough sumo to know

(01:38:25):
how sumo matches go genuinely. I don't. How about you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Have you watched your shifts sumo nuts?

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
What was it? C J Stroud and everyone else like
doing sumo in the locker room lately? Is that the
viral video going around?

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
I'm not. I'm talking about actual sumo.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
I know, but that's still like the only that's like
the only sumo I've seen other than the you know, highlights.
I don't know if they showed highlights of Aki Bono
leading off to this, but that might have been it.
But yeah, I never like, I know they've used to
have it on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Right, Yes, I used to watch as a kid, come
on with late at night, and I used to around
and watch. Uh sometimes I did not use to mimic it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
No, but I did not watch I do. It was
on and again, like change channels. I was like, oh, sumo, but.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
It's usually only after something you wanted to watch was
on and now sumo was on. But having watched my
share of sumo, I can tell you that a sumo
match does not look like the one that they had
their WrestleMania. Okay, they go pretty quick, they're pretty short.

(01:39:40):
This one was like a couple of minutes, but I've
seen them last like twenty seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
We're preparing longer than the actual sumo match that they
were assaulting the ring and doing all these things before
technically the match began, which lasted longer than the actual match.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Well, sumo matches in reality are a lot shorter. You
don't see people like kind of flipping like at least
the way that they did it dramatically, like it just
didn't look good because it was being worked.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
This one was on one minute on the dot, one
minute according.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
To Look, I'm not sure if matches last that long.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Like I'm literally like pain occupa this much, like we're
getting bileage out of them.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I'm literally I just pulled up sumo on my computer
on YouTube and I just watched two matches and within
two minutes and forty four seconds of this video, two
two down and they had an intro. The intro lasted
like like thirty seconds, bro like a minute. So the

(01:40:51):
point is it looked bad because it was worked and
not real, and because you know, Big Show is an
actual sumo it doesn't know what he's doing. They did
the hand thing to try to like mimic how some
wrestlers try to fight off their hands a little bit
and tried that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
But no, I see like Big Show tried, you know,
like I I but like it kind of worn with
Yo Kazuna used to wear like I just what do
we what are we doing here with the like the
Span decks, like you couldn't wear the Span ducks underneath?

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Like I just don't understand what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Was of being La market? Was you know, close to
the big sand maybe Sumo market there maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
I guess. I mean I've been, you know, I follow media.
The La Times hit Japan this week for the Dodgers
series with the Cubs, so like not it's not that
far so's you know, makes sense to people. It might
be an audience there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
But Alky Bono said it better not being Philly, Like no, no, no,
We're in LA this year, all right. I just I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
I just didn't see the appeal of it, and it
didn't go great at all.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
So it was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Just weird, just this odd stuff. The fans didn't love it.
But there's that, and you agreed on this. This is
your worst wrestling matches, worst match of the night as well.
Let's move on. I got a top non wrestling happening.
Uh it is. Let's start with you. What is your
top non wrestling happening.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
I'll say the Piper's Pit. We agree, Austin and Carlito.
I thought the Austin thing was funny at first, and
I totally forgot about Carlito, so I thought including him
and it was kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Yeah, Piper's Pit with Roddy Piper as it's with hosting
with Steve Austin as a special guest. Pretty wild that
just happened, just to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Begin with, Yeah, I forgot about it, by the way,
like say like, oh wow, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Yeah, in hindsight, that's that's pretty wild that it's happened.
On the show. Piper welcomes Austin to Piper's Pit and
immediately slaps him across the place. Such a gracious host
at Roddy Piper. Austin thanked him by slapping him back
off to a hot start. Roddy Piper goes like, you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Thanks a lot for having me a little son of
a bitch. I laughed audibly at that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
I god of like him. And then Carlita comes out
to do what every guy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Roddy Piper hated the what chance.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Oh yeah, what are your death? You can't hear?

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
And then they did it to Austin He's like, oh
I do for him too good.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
It's a good way to get around it. People didn't
kill him with the what chance the whole night so
and over, you know, overdo it with Roddy Piper because
he made it a part of the act. I guess.
But Carlile comes out and you know what's going to
happen here, Uh, he's here to get clowned by the legends,
because that's what the young talent is good for. According

(01:44:08):
to Vins mcman, at this time, young talent go out
there and get the rub quote unquote from these legends
by letting them clown you mercilessly. They call Carldle nappy
headed and everything. It's crazy. Then they put him in

(01:44:29):
the stunner and that was the end of it. Thanks coming.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
First. They when they stunned him and it all comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
It's just crazy to see to this show, like they
debuted Chris Masters and well, I guess I didn't debut
Carlo Corlidle was on the main roster No. Four. But
he's getting stunned in a in a segment and Piper's
pit and made it look like a chump. And Chris Masters,

(01:44:59):
who only debuted like a month prior, two months prior.
Maybe we watched the episode of Yeah, late February and
he's on the pre show. What the hell? What are
we doing here? Again? A mistake by bringing bringing him
up so at this time, at least Coludo, I know,

(01:45:22):
I don't have any excuse for that. They had him
on the main roster Centil four. But Austin and Piper
they go, hey, we're legends, and that's a sucker, so
they share beers together.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Roddy Piper is that went on forever too, That did.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
But Riddy Piper. It was too long for Riddy Piper too,
because he was trying to keep up and was struggling.
All right, he is stumbling around the ring. He's a
little nebriated, at least according to the to his mannerisms, right. Uh.
And then as he's chugging yet another beer, Steve Alston
hits him with a stunner because of course, you know, because.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Of course Austin must doun.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Austin must doun winning doubt Austin Stunn's Uh. So we
agree on that. I have a feeling we're gonna agree
on this as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
The worst happening because Hogan must pose.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Hogan must pose. Hogan gets to be racist again.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
I guess for what exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
Yeah, exactly what brown people and in children because he
the children. He just made him cry recently because he
dipped out on an appearance.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Did you hear about this?

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
News reports about it and everything, which is hilarious The
kids complain about Hung Kong.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
It made me laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
I'm sorry, kids. I love the kids, but like it's
like you're the worst yo, those kids.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Oh man, nobody likes learning.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
It's crazy to hear so many wrestlers and now kids
just ragging on hul Hogan. Why has this happened? I mean,
I know why.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Even the Undertaker, it was like, you know the joke
he made on the YouTube show You Got Me Brother,
the Maga Powers making fun of one of the Megapowers.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Send for the man, Randy Savage. Come on, now, that's
a that's a botch of mania joke. By the way,
she didn't you didn't get that, but yeah, that's that's crazy.
How everybody's kind of like no one could agree on anything,
but somehow everybody kind of sees eye on this. It's

(01:47:50):
got a running list of wrestlers who talk crap about Hulkogan,
Scott Steiner, taker, Seth Rollins signing. I was just like,
I don't know, man, I got in a good mood until.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
That, Like, wait, there was an interview like a quote
I read, but it was about the same. It was.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
He had an autograph signing and he was like I
think he saw Hogan action figure or something like that,
and he was like, oh no, I don't want this,
and there's a black host that was with him, but
the yeah, because he don't like people like me or
something like that. And Seth Robinds thought that was the
funniest thing you'd ever heard. I don't know if that
was recent, it might not have been. I feel like
it was though, but yeah, it was pretty It's just

(01:48:31):
everybody like everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Was like I read a quote from him from some
interview that was like what goes around comes around type
of thing. I think exact quote, like paraphrasing, but that's
basically the gist of you know, something like that, like
for some lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Stuff, wild stuff. Well, in this segment though, before Hogan
comes out, we started off with Eugene. He was a
problematic character.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
With a patel his torn pateller attendant.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Yeah, up down to the ring uh and he said,
this is the greatest night.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Of my life apparently, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
That promised Muhammad Hassan, another problematic character, to join them.
Muhammad a sogn He beats up Eugene because he's angry.
He's angry about being discriminated against the fans. Go way.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Before he did the camera clutch bruh, brouh, get the
threat slash.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
Oh I missed that, which is a sign of things
to come.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Yeah, Muhammada, how do you put it so eloquently? A habingas,
Oh yeah, oh yes it is. When he did that,
I was like, oh my god, like right, I forgot
how bad it was because I just haven't watched well.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
I mean, he wasn't the only person to do the
throat slash, but.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
It's just yeah, but like the way he did it,
like yeah, literally meant like, it's not like the Bryce
Harper throws slash when he's scoring, scoring on a home
run or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
So yeah, yep, but the song comes out. He beats
up Eugene, which brings out Hark Hogan a problematic person to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Make not a character a person.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
Problematic person.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
He came out to Real American, which was like, oh yeah,
I forgot about that. He did that No. Five Uh,
and that's the name of his beer obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
I wonder who thought of.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
That selling that song. Man, it's such a.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Bop, such a it is such a bop. It is
a good song.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
We need to like, give it to something that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Give it to Kurtle.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
But I like that. Yeah, with the Chad Gable, you
could do the metal mix up matchup with Real American.
That would probably sound really cool. Mm hmm, probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
I don't know. I don't know about that one. But
give it to American maid man.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Go on, yeah, give it to the whole group.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
They might turn babyface because honestly, people like you know what,
I love America too. Let's cheer for him his beer.
By the way, Hawk Cogan's Beer is a sponsor in
Arena Football One. I don't know if you've seen this
football one. Yes, an offshoot of the Arena Football League,

(01:51:23):
which was a disaster last year. Uh. This one is
won by Jeff Fisher. You know that Jeff Fisher. He
used to coach.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Coach, not head coach, but he was a coach for Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
He's a defensive coordinator, I believe in the nineties, but
also coached the Rams uh and he recently coached in
the USFL. But he was an owner in the Arena
League and then created this new league and they brought
on Real American as a sponsor, which tells me you
real American beer, I should say, which tells me a lot.
It's like, this is the league you link up with

(01:51:57):
because this league has been through a lot of trouble
and just leading up to the season season just started,
they've lost like seven teams.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Like it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
Another rough start for the a F one. So it's
it's interesting to see like the companies that are, you know,
having real American beer as are Like a sponsor is
like af One in WWE, Like WWE, that makes sense, somebody, right,
it's a favor. Then af One is the other company

(01:52:30):
that's a big drop off between WWE af One and
I say that as an arena football fan.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
On Netflix too, so you know it's a favor.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
I mean, come on, bro, they don't do.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
It on the SmackDown, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
You can get one favorite, bro, get.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Out and what happened to the prime logo? By the way,
I mean, I'm not complaining, but.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
That sponsorship contract is up, bro, that's it. Oh the
deal is up, then you don't get the logo.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Dude. It wasn't even like a year. They didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
They didn't re up. I guess. I don't know. It's
how good. Maybe they pay for a certain six number, Yeah,
a certain amount of time. Were only going to have
six times when you're on the mat, and that's it.
That's what you paid for. Get out, next company, please, right?

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Which makes me go back to WrestleMania twenty one. No
sponsor by the way, Ralling SmackDown Present WrestleMania twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Really there's no sponsor, no sponsors for WrestleMania in Hollywood.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Yeah, all, let's see. Well at least that's what it was,
Ralling SmackDown presents. So if there were the sponsors, they
were very very low level, well.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Not the ones that we heard of. But no sponsor.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
I don't know. Uh, we don't believe in Battista.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
Where did they believe in the other things? I'm sure
I had. Like I said earlier, the Ediegerrero Raymisterio match
as a hidden gym? Did you have a hitting gym?
I think you said you didn't, right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
I didn't, because I guess I could have Eddie Ray
or money in the bank. But they were the best
match because they were just so good.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Yeah, like you said, there's not really a lot hidden
here on this show. It's hard to even put that
match as a hidden gym because it opens the show
that hidden if you watch the show, it's right there.
So there's that. But let's move on to some random thoughts,
shall we. Shall we? We didn't talk a lot about
SNEA versus JBL at all because, like you said, it

(01:54:44):
was it wasn't a lot of build up to it.
But the match came and went and kind of was
just there. But the most exciting part to me was
JBL's entrance, which was super dope. You had the limos,
the police escort the money with his face on it
falling from the sky. I thought it fits so perfectly

(01:55:04):
for his character. I thought that was brilliant. And if
there's one thing rich people love besides money, is a
police escort. Trusts me on that, Okay, And I was
at the Super Bowl I felt like I saw a
police escort every two minutes, like everybody. They just get
a group of cops together and they they don't have
to see traffic. Now it's like they hate traffic as
much as they hate taxes or something like. I don't know,

(01:55:28):
you know, but that was dope. That was really well done.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Yes, I like that the video package before I remember
not being invested in it still wasn't, but the video
package at least paints a good picture of how they
tried to build to that and how you know, JBL
couldn't or Senior couldn't touch JBL j if unless JBL
provoked him, and you know, Senior given that few to
Teddy Long, you know, like and just going week by week,

(01:55:52):
and I thought it was a nice little refresher and
I was like, oh, yeah, like it wasn't like that bad.
But to me, it just wasn't on this same level
as like a triple h Batista, Uh even Eddie Ray
Money in the Bank. I remember being like kind of
hyped four just because of the the newness of it.
And obviously Sean and HBK so Sewn and kurd Angles,

(01:56:14):
So yeah, this match just kind of got lost in
the shuffle and so, but it wasn't a gem. You know,
it wasn't like a great match. It wasn't like a
match that you go out of your way to see,
even just because John Cena won. Just not that special.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
No, like like you said it could have been. It
wasn't even a great match to close, like a SmackDown,
only paper right, right, Like if it was like no mercy,
it still would have been.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Like man, it was eleven minutes and twenty five seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
I mean, yeah, maybe maybe it could. You know, they've
had they had better matches after this, Like I think
they had like a first first blood the Boro match,
right a Judgment Day or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
It was bleeding like worse than you know.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Yeah, a lot of blood in that match.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I don't think I've seen that one live. I might
have to go back and watch the same.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
I might have to go back. I remember I might
have watched it a while ago, but it's been a
while if I have watched it, But I do recall
Seena and Jbo bleeding a lot in that match, So
they had better matches, But on this show, it's just
I guess there's so much they kind of got the
short end of the stick as far as time, they
got eleven minutes, so the match kind of came and went,

(01:57:22):
but hey, at least we got the entrance. But yeah,
it's weird to see that though, because it's like seeing
his first title win, which he's such obviously a huge
star and it's supposed to be this big moment in
his career. It's his first title win, and he has
sixteen of them, but and potentially a seventeen. He could
potentially have the multi world titles recognized world championship rings

(01:57:43):
in history, right, and he's considered the Goat by Michael Cole,
the greatest of all time. But his first title win
feels like a type of moment. It's like, which is
like not the It's just not the norm for like
major stars like Steve Alston had that big crowning moment
at WrestleMania fourteen. Even Hogan even wasn't It wasn't his

(01:58:06):
first title win. It was a title retention, but WrestleMania
three was kind of that for him. But even Hogan
had when he did when first went the tile that
Madison Square Garden over the Iron Chic, that was a
big moment for him. I think the WrestleMania three moment
obviously was bigger, but when he first went a title
in the garden, that was a big deal. So it
just you know, Brett Hart had WrestleMania ten, even though

(01:58:28):
that technically technically wasn't his first title win, but you
know that was a bigger stage. But there's that moment
where people are kind of like crowned, this is your time,
this is your era. Shawn Michael's a Wrestleman Year twelve
is another example. Even the rock at like back last
two thousand, which was like his third title reign. I

(01:58:48):
love it, I'm gonna saying, but for him as a babyface,
that's his biggest title win. So you have that moment
and then for seeing it, it's just like, man.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Yeah, I felt bad because he's celebrating after the match,
and it's like, no one wants to celebrate with him, right, He.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Literally tries to celebrate with people like please love me, please.

Speaker 5 (01:59:07):
He hugged the dude and the dude's just like I'm like,
oh no, like oh, I felt bad for John because
no one took him seriously because they wanted to see Batista.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
It was kind of anti climactic.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
It was because I don't think people thought he was
gonna win, you know, you know, to me, and I
didn't because I'm like, you don't sure you don't crown
two new champions of the same night. Batista will win tonight,
Sina will have a rematch and like the next backdown
pay per view and maybe win it there. But I
just didn't anticipate that. I didn't. I didn't see this

(01:59:42):
as like a reset the way it actually was. When
you have Batista and John Cena at the top of
the company. I just I was like, oh, there's only
room for one, and it's gonna be Bautista.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
If anything, I was the opposite. I was like, Sena's
definitely gonna win. I wasn't sure a Bapatista.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
I mean, that's true, and I was there too, but
I'm like, all right, well, if that match is the
last match Patista has to win.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
Yeah, I think I didn't know what was close. I guess, yeah,
I could have assumed, but I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
So that still was not invested in SNA just yet.
I mean, I don't think I ever really was until
the US Open Challenge. But the US Title Challenge Open,
whatever the hell they called it a kind of I
just yeah, I was never invested highly in him, but
I didn't like hate watching him. I just didn't like

(02:00:38):
watching him. So, oh, Man Batista was the guy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
He was the guy. He was the guy. Uh, speaking
of the past, guy's got triple AH and JBL. They
meet in a hallway, uh and talk talk track to
each other, you know, and who side do you pick?
Did they tease something for the future, Like we never
got anything from this. It's just like, here's these two

(02:01:03):
guys ragging on each other, saying that JB is not
even good wild he's the championship. I'm telling you to
talk to the guy. They're supposed to be your equal
like that. Like that's rough. I don't know the heels,
but like that's still it still kind of goofy. But
I didn't really want a program between these two guys,

(02:01:26):
but it felt like they were teasing one.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
Like here it did.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
It did, but again, not that I wanted one.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
Nothing really happened.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
Just just here. I guess they were on the same show.
They could do something with them, and they both lost
that night, so it didn't matter. They showed celebrities in
the crowd. Adam Sandler being one of them. Uh Rob
Schneider was another one, and saw somebody from ZZ Top
I believe and some other folks.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
So David Arquette for champion.

Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
There you go. I miss David Arkeett. I'm sorry, but yeah.
And pro wrestler David Katt independent pro wrestler extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
David Arquett Rock I think was in the crowd as well.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Well, he did. He didn't introduce, he didn't induct I
should say Hoging into the Hall of Fame, which is
going to be in one of my notes. But before that,
Undertaker floated to the ring for his entrance and Task
couldn't handle it. He didn't know what to do with it.
He's like, it's freaking me out. Cool he's floating, he's
not walking. It's like he's on a platform. Task It's

(02:02:30):
all right, bro, it's not really like just take it easy,
be chill, bro. He couldn't wrap his head around it,
like I I can't believe this, and it was.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
It was weird. He was the first one. Randy Orton
came out second, so that was weird. I did notice that, like, oh,
I guess they had beat it. Time to put down
whatever the hell.

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
I was with this platform that the undertoger just up
ran orton, I guess, and it had a lot of
smoke down there, so he couldn't see his feet because
it gives the illusion that he's let floating.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
Seven ww though he wasn't actually like high in the air.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
Well because that's dangerous. But Taz, he just couldn't function.
I can't. I can't wrap my head around this. This
is nuts. This is nuts. King before the women's title
Mask Jr. Not Jr. Jerry the King Lawler called himself
a follower of women, which is like, that sounds like

(02:03:34):
a stalker to me. Yeah, that sounds like a stalker
to me, buddy, watch out. Lastly, we had a Hall
of Fame class for the second year in a row.
They started this back up in two thousand and four,
and this class was far more star study than the

(02:03:55):
previous year, where they had like Sergeant Slaughter and at
Don Morocco and you know, some good names, don't get
me wrong, some stars. But then day is like, you
know what, we're gonna stop playing with y'all. Give us
Hawk Hogan to give us Body Piper, give us Iron Chic,
give us Cowboy Bob Orton, Paul orndor If, Jimmy hart,

(02:04:16):
Nikolai Volkoff, all the top guys from the eighties. Bring
them in, Bring them all in, and we're going to
get them into the Hall of Fame right away. And
they did. That was a Hall of Fame class wild,
a lot of big names, a lot of guys on that.
Like I said, the eighties pretty much WrestleMania one time.
Even the pre WrestleMania era that were huge in the

(02:04:38):
eighties all inducted in the same class. That's any thoughts
on this class that was.

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
Hall of Fame at the time. I loved it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
So yeah, big deal, big big class as far as
name value, and like we mentioned earlier Selvester Stallone inducted
Hawk Hogan.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
I know, I said Rocky Dollo on purpose. For anyone
out there, he was like, oh, he said Rocky Bilbo.
It was like, I did that on purpose.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
That's fair. I just feel like Hogan could have had
one of his friends do it. They got Stallone. Maybe
they're friends, but he got wrestling friends. He got wrestling friends.
They also had women trot out the old guys at
the Hall of Famers for their introduction, which is like
that was their contribution to the show. Unfortunately, stand there

(02:05:27):
and look pretty, stand there and look pretty, and there's
one match. That's all you get, and everybody else wear
at the nice gown and walk out arm and arm
with Paul Lodorf.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
That match was five minutes and thirty two seconds in.

Speaker 1 (02:05:44):
This segment was probably longer than that. Who knows how
long this segment was compared to the match for the
Women's Championship. But that is my random notes from wrestlming
in twenty one?

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
What are yours money in the bank? Tyson thoms Cove
is out there, Christian? Why didn't he just grab the
briefcase himself? Just give it the Christian? I could have
did that, James Elworth do that for Carmela or something like.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
Eventually he is. But I feel like Tyson Tomko could
have just been fighting the whole time.

Speaker 2 (02:06:15):
I don't understand at least.

Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
James Ellsworth couldn't just be fighting the whole time with women.

Speaker 2 (02:06:21):
He could have, but that would have been importaste.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Right, yeah, very poor taste. But Tyson Tomco could have
just been I have beating people up with Christian?

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
Was he scared of? Come on?

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
I don't know, scared of not winning. I guess that's
that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
Uh John seen his hip toss is one of the
worst I've ever seen. He had terrible hip tosses back
and then he literally, uh sweat like moved with the momentum,
moved his whole body, so he jumped with the hip toss.
I remember hating it. I remember thinking, this guy can't

(02:07:01):
be world champion because of this, but I was reminded
of it during his match with JBL and I was like,
what is this guy doing and why is he doing it?
So weird? That's why he tore his pack a few
years later because of how he does these hip tosses.
And Ken Kennedy's movement was all off and it's like

(02:07:21):
his weight was shifted and Sina just tore his peck
because of his damn hip toss. It's weird. I just
I can't get over that. You know this of Sina
doing this stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
It's funny you say that he can't be world champion.
And there's a lot of people saying the same thing
today about Jay Uso. Uh man, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
Not about his hip toss though.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Not about his hip toss or whatever. It could be
not you know, it could be a whole bunch of things.
But it's funny. It's like, yeah, maybe maybe it could
still work out. I will see. I have to say,
like again, John Cena could be the exception. I always say, like, oh,
just like Austin did it, just like Sina the exceptions,
not the rules. But it's still a possibility. Don't don't

(02:08:06):
go crazy just yet, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:08:07):
I'm sorry, no, and I'm excited to dive deep into
Jay us so as uh, you know, in the coming weeks,
as we will. I mentioned, Yeah, the stuff with the
Undertaker and Norton. Uh do you remember a story about
Cowboy Bob being positive for hepatitis C? I think it

(02:08:29):
was no, so he bled in a segment or a
match with Undertaker, and Undertaker did not know that he
had a hepatitis C. Yes, and uh, Undertaker was furious,
so he was actually fired. It was in two thousand

(02:08:51):
and six though, so, but I believe, you know, it's
obviously there ortn't an Undertaker like had it like a
pretty long feud. But yeah, that was uh oh they
had an hell of the Cell match at arm again.
That's right, two thousand and five, so I believe that's
where it occurred. But yeah, it's just kind of crazy

(02:09:13):
that you don't tell anyone that because I think it
was I think he knew, and I think that was
the issue, like he knew but didn't tell anyone, So
the Undertaker was like pissed off and he wound up
getting fired. But no blood on this night, I think
from Bob Morton. So we're all clear. But terrible match.
Terrible match in my opinion. But yeah, I thought that

(02:09:35):
was an interesting notes just because I remember reading about
it back on the uh the message boards back in
the day that I do no longer frequents. But Eugene, yeah,
we got that. The celebrities there, there were more celebrities

(02:09:57):
there that were apparently listed on Wikipedia, but I'm not
gonna go with all of them. But McCauley Culkin was
apparently there. I don't know if they showed him, but
he's always there, man.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
We love that guy, getting the biggest pops of the
night every time he shows up every and they don't
really show his brother as Oscar Award winning brother Kieren
Cocain too much, but McCauley still gets I don't know,
maybe maybe he's like, don't show me on camera, but
he's there or that. Yeah, McCauley man, he stands up.

(02:10:28):
People go crazy Cochin, So there's that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:34):
Future TNA owner Billy Corgan was also in attendance from
the Smashing Public at debt look at that so the
see the crossover had already started.

Speaker 1 (02:10:42):
The crossover already started, So he was out here scouting
talent for the future.

Speaker 2 (02:10:47):
I don't even know if he was involved in that
in two thousand and five, but.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
I don't think he was. But still he's a fan.
He's a fan at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
It was also Will Sasso was apparently there who was
attacked by Brett Hart when he was in w W
on the on the set of Mad TV. If you
remember that, Brett Hart hit Will Sasso with a chair
and put the sharp shit on that's funny.

Speaker 1 (02:11:08):
Will sa Aso did a really good Steve Austin person
Yes he did, which was really really good. Actually, like
looking back, it was really well done. Like one of
the better Steve Auston impersonations you'll see is Will Sasso
for the Mad TV. I think they had Steve Awston
on the show and they had like Will Sasso dress
up as Steve Auston, and look, he did a pretty

(02:11:30):
good job. I'm not gonna lie like I remember pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:11:34):
I remember that. So I always think about Will Sasso
as because he will wound up showing up on Nitro
to cause Brett Hart the West title about one point so,
and then he had Deborah Wilson, right, I think it
was Devna Wilson. It might have been Nicole. Was it
Nicole Sullivan and the other Bad TV castmember? But somebody

(02:11:54):
turned heel on Will Sasso from the Mad TV cast
sideed with Brett Hart. I'm like, oh my god, So
maybe we might need to do a deep dive on
like Man TV at some point because the wildness of
that era. I remember like hating it when I was
living in it, but now like I'm enthralled by it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
So Mad TV had some had some wild stuff on. Yes, yes,
some of it still holds up to day.

Speaker 2 (02:12:22):
I liked Man TV more than SNL.

Speaker 1 (02:12:25):
I don't think you're alone in that. I don't think
you're alone in that that time good. I don't think
you're alone. But yeah, that's all. Let's wrap it up
for episode. Nick, take us out with.

Speaker 2 (02:12:36):
Some plugs, please you could follow it. I always close it.
Uh all right, let's see if I remember this. Follow
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(02:12:59):
can also follow me on Blue Sky at pacone and
I'm also on threads at pocone Nick and also check
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the podcast tab right under the Wrestling round table, or
we might be right above the wrestling round table. It's
right around there. Hopefully we'll be having one for WrestleMania
coming up in the next month, because we have exactly

(02:13:22):
a month as of this recording, so stay tuned for
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Speaker 1 (02:13:32):
I'm at Vaughan M. Johnson on X I almost forgot
the name of the platform all of a sudden, at
Vaughn Johnson on Blue Sky. We're on Patreon Patreon dot
Patreon dot com slash Shooters Radio where you can request
a future deep dive just like the one we just
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can make a cameo on the show that we're diving

(02:13:54):
into again Patreon dot com, Slash Shooters Radio. We will
be doing d dives on wrestling movies coming up. We
will be doing discussions like you said on jay Usso,
so stay tuned for more fun content here on The
Straight Shooters. But for Nick pcone, I am Vaughn Johnson.
Thanks for listening to episode four twenty four of The

(02:14:17):
Straight Shooters and we'll catch you all again next week.

Speaker 3 (02:14:20):
Paris, Hey Clavage, wake up the show on Oh Yeah
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