429: ECW Heat Wave '98 Deep Dive, RIP Sabu

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Looked up everyone out there on internet land, and welcome
to episode four twenty nine of the Straight Shooters available
wherever podcasts are found. My name is Vaughan Johnson and
I'm joining as always by my main man Pots and Pants,
Nick Pecona, Fox phl the Gambler and fully Influencer, and
we have yet another fantastic show ahead of us here
on episode four twenty nine. It is a deep dive,

(00:34):
and we're diving deep into a show specifically because of
recent events, unfortunate events, and those events are regarding the
unfortunate passing of Terry Brounk, known as to the world
of wrestling fans known as Sabu, died last week, this
time at the age of sixty. So an on ear
of Saboo, we're going to deep dive into a show

(00:57):
from EACW because we haven't done an EACW show no while,
and we talked about that recently on the podcast, but
we decided to do one this week non of Saboo.
We're going to do heat Wave ninety eight from e
c W August of ninety eight, which features, in my opinion,
the best best match on the show is a match
evolving Saboo where he teams with Rob van Dam to
go against Hya Busa and Jinse Shinzaki. And we're gonna

(01:21):
talk about the rest of the show as well because
it's quite interesting. But yeah, that's what we're going to
do on this podcast. But of course we're gonna start
off with the unfortunate passing of again Terry Bunk, known
to the world of wrestling as Saboo Nick. Any thoughts
on Saboo. You know, we're watching him growing up. Obviously,

(01:41):
he was the nephew of the Sheikh, the original Chik
got into wrestling, made the name for himself of the
nineteen nineties. Of course in ec W and Wrestling, World
Championship Wrestling and WWE had a pay per view match
against John Cena at one point, which was wild in
hindsight to think about and even at the time, but
I think he was in that spot because he was

(02:01):
super innovative and he did a lot of wild things
in and out of the ring and put himself through
a lot in the ring, in and out of the ring,
and including in the ring for the last time when
he was in the ring for the last time during
WrestleMania Weekend, when he worked the GCW show, which has
become a massive source of controversy now in hindsight as well.

(02:22):
But yeah, Nick, go back to you any thoughts on
Sabu watching him growing up in ECW and maybe even
other various promotions.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
So he was the reason I watched ECW back in
the day, Like, Yeah, I would tune in every week
before they even had pay per views and I'd be like, Okay,
I hope Sabu's like on the show like this week.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
But the very first time I heard about him was
because I didn't watch WCW that much, but it's when
he was in WCW. I think it was ninety four ish,
maybe end of ninety five where I've read about him
in a magazine. Yeah. I used to go get wrestling
magazines all the time from the store, either the a

(03:06):
bookstore you know that Ford Ball had Walden Books. I
would get a lot of wrestling magazines there and even
wrestling books there. There was a shop called thrift Way.
It's now shop right right off Exsit seventeen one five
in Jersey.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
And I remember thrift Way. That sounds familiar, Yeah, man,
it was.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
It was great Finaris thrift Way and that's where my
mom would always go shopping. Prices were good, so, I mean,
and plus we didn't really have one around us until
later later. But you know, they have wrestling magazines there,
and I would always go right to the magazine section.
I'd be reading them as my mom was shopping, and

(03:45):
you know, so there were some of them where she
wouldn't let me get you know, I couldn't get you know,
more than two, I guess, so there were like four
or five there. I was like, yeah, I'm not getting
five magazines, but you can have one two if it
was a good day. So and I would read about
sat in those magazines. I think it was like the
Wrestler was one of them. Pro Wrestling Illustrated obviously was

(04:06):
their Ringside Wrestling I think was a magazine back then.
So a lot of them had, you know, different things
that I didn't really see in WCW. Even when Hall
Coogan went to WCW, I was kind of like, Eh,
I'm here for the new WWF generation, So I didn't
pay that much attention to WCW. Sab Boo was one

(04:27):
of the only things I cared about in WCW for
a long time before the nWo and just seeing what
he would do and stuff like that. And then obviously
we get ECW weekly in the Philly market and seeing
him go crazy with you know, the jump off the
chair to the ropes and the dive to the outside.
That was like the crazy, the triple jump, you know, craziness.

(04:49):
And yeah, just that was you know, the in ninety seven,
the barbedier match against Terry Funk is one of my
favorite ECW matches of all time, even though it got
so messy that no one can do anything. So, yeah,
Sabo was a large part of my early childhood wrestling
memories and I just love to watching them.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, you bring up a good point, how like Sabo
I think introduced a lot of people to ECW because
he was like the attraction you had to see.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Like they had other people.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Like in the beginning, like they had Tommy Dreamer and
they had Sandman, but like Sabo was the wild card, right.
They would bring him in on the on the cart
like Hannibal Lector with the mask over his mouth as
if he was like, you know, you couldn't even be
around him around other people. Apparently he was that demented right.
So and obviously, like you said, you do stuff in

(05:37):
the ring, like the triple jump moon sauce or the
triple jump whatever. He would just turn anything into a
triple jump. He would do moon saw whatever you want
to do. But yeah, he would do stuff like that.
And of course the barber matches as you said, So
this lore they had behind him before the age of
I mean, I guess the internet was around, but like
you're still in the days of tape trading and people
getting famous off a word of mouth, and I feel

(05:58):
like sab boo to reach like some type of He's
like a folklore kind of person in wrestling, because again
ECW and especially in the early days, wasn't widely available.
You know, people across the country wasn't watching ECW. So,
like I said, it was more like you're saying, and
then you see him, it's like, holy what he does
all these different flips and moves, and he's using throwing

(06:20):
chairs at people. You just throw the chair at you.
It wouldn't even swing it, you just throw it, right.
So yeah, that that innovative style he had was I
think influential still to this day. You can't tell me
that sad who doesn't have for people didn't take pages
out of Saboy's playbook.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You know today. Uh, and yeah, it's sad to see that.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Like, you know, you think about the guy from his generation,
You're like, oh, he reached sixty, and that feels like, man,
he's really old for a wrestler. You know, like it's
a shame to say because a lot of guys from
his generation died much younger. He made it all the
way to sixty. But it's sad to see like him
wrestle at that age. I know, people have you know,
gotten on GCW for allowing him to wrestle Dour in

(07:04):
Wrestlmania Weekend. It's it's tough because, uh, wrestlers don't have
unions and pensions and all that stuff, so some of them,
unfortunately might have to keep working to make your money.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Didn't need no show an appearance just because he was
getting a better you know, payout somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I'm sure it did.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know, So he no show gc W last year
when they put them in their Hall of Fame or
something like that. I think it's the Indie Wrestling Hall
of Fame or yeah, something like that. So it's definitely
a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Induction.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I forget specifically with Hall of Fame, they kind of run.
I think it is the indie wrestling one. But yeah,
you know, showed that. But yeah, it's tough because he
shouldn't be wrestling. But I look at the thirty thousand
foot view of it, it's like, man, the industry kind
of sucks you really think about it. That sad. But
would even have to be in that situation to make

(07:59):
ends meet potentially, And GCW is like, yeah, we'll do
it because of course, because wrestling is weird like that.
It's not like a crazy thing for a sixty year
old to wrestle. Like, look at the Rock and Roll Express,
They're still wrestling out here. And I'm not saying that
like they look terrible. They look great for sixty those
guys in the fifties wrestling. Look at Chris Jericho, look

(08:19):
at Adam Copeland, Like, you know, if you can do it,
you can do it. But like, it sucks when you
see people they're clearly not in the shape to do
it and they have to, right, And you know, you
can be mad at GCW. I'm not saying you shouldn't,
but I'm just mad at the industry. The wrestling industry.
It treats people like Saboo, who brought so much entertainment

(08:40):
to fans across the world now to at this point
to see him have to do have to do that
when he gave so much of himself to the business,
and it sucks, but.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's hard to separate, you know, the love for the
game versus yeah, I have to do it. You know,
like it's there's two things like if Saboo was well off,
there's probably a good chance he's not needing prop the wrestle.
You know, it's it's one of those things where and.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I wish you could just make appearances. I wish you
could have just made actually have to wrestle.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's like an industry thing where yeah, obviously there's wrestlers
that do burn through money and stuff like that, so
that so they have to do it like on their own.
But if it was an industry, that's you know, there
is no pension, right, you know, it's no, it's not
like the other sports where you know, you retire. Baseball
players get pensions. I'm assuming like they have unions.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, they have unions.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
They're getting pensions, and you gotta play first. Und amount
of time.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I know NFL does, but yeah, I forget the.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Exact timeframe for each league, but I think for like
the NFL is like you have to play like three
or four years something like that to get to get
to that to get invested, you know, into that pension.
So but yeah, it's you know, yeah, if you have
unions and stuff like that collective bargaining in place, then
you're collectively bargaining your pensions too, as you should. So
wrestling doesn't have that unfortunately, so the best but yeah,

(10:05):
it's tough.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You know, hard, Like thinking back to that, it's like
what timing because the Original Seat documentary was on the
Dark side of the Ring this last week and it
was almost the same exact situation. He kept going because
he he had to, you know, he was wrestling well
into when he shouldn't have been because of money, and

(10:27):
it was it's not like a family thing with them,
it's an industry thing, yeah, like you said, And it's
it's tough to see that that we're in twenty twenty
five now trying and shouldn't be happening.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
But well, let's hope that it doesn't happen in the
future too much, And that's not the reason why listen
to me phrase, it's not the reason why Saboo passed away.
We don't know why he passed away. It's just said
conversation to the overall sadness of the fact that Saboo
has is gone, and yeah, we're gonna You know, those

(11:03):
UCW guys looked wild, man, I know that in and
out of the ring.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
So there's no telling what you know he lived.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
He lived a life, he lived a hard life and
did a lot of stuff in and out of the ring.
But it's still sad to see, you know, people pass
you know, untimely in sixty. Like it said, sixty is
not old. You know, it's not like, you know, you
just die of natural causes at sixty, I guess you could,
but like anything can happen. But man, it's tough, man,

(11:36):
it's real tough. But again he was, I think, and
you heard about it. You heard you just hear stories
about Saboo and it's like, whoa, who is this guy?
Then you see him, you're like, you're still blown away,
as whoa Like you see he did the he jumped
off a chair and then onto the ropes and then
jumped out of the ring. And then after the match

(11:56):
he was mad at the table didn't break, so he
broke through it himself. Also, how many people were doing
table spots before Sad Booth, right, at least on a
regular maybe you might see one. I remember who's a
Terry Funk pile drive flair on top of the table
after a steamboat match?

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I forget which one.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
But you didn't see table spots at all really in wrestling,
you didn't see them very often, at least not the
break like the style of tables that they use today.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
All across wrestling. Now Sad Boo is breaking through those.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
In the early nineties, it was nobody's business. So yeah,
it's it's it's sad though, it's sad at the end
of the day. And yeah, rest in peace to Terry Brounk,
again known to wrestling fans around the world as Sad
Boo passed away. We could go today as we record
this at the age of sixty, transitioning to other current

(12:52):
day news, making an awkward transition obviously from sad states
of affairs to sad affairs, but much less serious way, right,
not in a life or death sort of way. But
it's just a terrible creative sort of way with w W,
and we got on our rundown.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Here that John Cena sucks and you Nick wrote that,
but I.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Can't necessarily disagree in the sense that what they're doing
with Seeing right now is not it's not captivating me,
and it doesn't seem like it's captivating you either, Nick.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
And apparently you'd be like, hey, that's the whole point.
And it's like I doubt, like I doubt TKO is
okay with the uncaptivating TV. That just makes us not
care anymore. It's not a story, Oh the story as
you're supposed to not like him. There's obviously storylines that

(13:50):
make that statement true. This is not one of them.
This is not a thing where you know, the Rock
comes in that tries to save the story and have
a corporate champion and then Sina wins the title wants
to ruin wrestling that it just doesn't make sense, and
his promos are so forced, and it's like, okay, it's

(14:11):
not believable, and it's like, oh, that's the way it's
supposed to be. It's like, how how is it supposed
to be like this? It's it's like the turn find
the first couple promos. Fine, nothing's changed, nothing has been
you know, making me feel like, oh, this is like

(14:32):
an interesting story that I want to stay you know,
every week, stay watching, you know. I just I don't care.
I just don't care. And for Sena's seventeenth Rainey to
be and I don't care. I think it's just bad creative,
it's bad planning. I don't know what they're doing, and

(14:54):
I don't know what the endgame is, Like who Who's
going to beat Sena or is he just going to
be the champion the rest of the year. They're not
building anyone right now to quote unquote take on Sena
and try to save the w W. You know, I
feel like that's the you know story, right if you
want you need to save w W, you gotta beat
Sena or.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Something that's kind of how to yeah, kind it doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
He was the face of the company for twenty years. Like,
it just doesn't make sense. And that's not the Oh
it's supposed to be that way. You're getting John Cena
versus Art Truth, which I think is a fun match
that you could have on TV, but like a Saturday
Night's main event, Like I mean, no, like oh, I
get it. Yeah, National TV. Why don't you be like

(15:40):
a raw or something. I don't know, but at least
it's not a summer Slam or money in the bank.
I guess, yeah, it's I just okay, like I guess
you gotta do that match because it's it's you know,
art truth and Sina you like that, but that's you know,
I just I can't get into it. I just don't
understand that they're I don't know why we're supposed to

(16:02):
care or I don't know why he's like, uh, who's
doing this character? Is it seen as creative or is
it stuff that's being come up for him? That's like
just not it's not captivating at all. I think back
to last year. Of course, we were at the peak
and we knew at some point it was gonna come down.
I just didn't expect, creatively to the drop off that

(16:26):
we've had, you know, Like I knew we were gonna
have a drop off, but this is a steep drop off.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I think the problem is, for one, the Rock got
shoehorned into this when he didn't need to be, and
I think that threw a lot of people off to
begin with.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, like it started all.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Kind of hot with that, but it hasn't made any
sense since that. That's that's a lot to say, but
since The Rock joined up or seen it joined up
with the Rock, it really hasn't made sense for The
Rock to have ever even been there to begin with.
So that's already you're off kilter. There to finish at
WrestleMania garbage, we've been there and done that. But my
biggest issue is that it doesn't seem like they're fully

(17:03):
committed to johnsena being a bad guy. Just like as
much as he can talk crap about the fans, he doesn't.
He seems like he's playing a villain. It doesn't seem
like he's really angry at the fans. He's just he's
mad for a little bit. But it's like, but he'll
come around.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
It's just like it's like he said he wasn't he
was gonna like take the title away. He's wearing it
every week. You know, it's all TV every week. Like
nothing he says makes sense.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
It does not. It does not.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I remember after Backlash, I think I saw a post
here he goes. Andreas Hale said, it still feels like
Johnson is costplaying as a villain. It feels so cartoonishly
forced and unnatural, and I think I saw somebody else
and I was literally thinking this. It's like he just
needs a little mustache that he needs to twirl like
a black mustard, like how I am. Even like during
the match against Orton where he goes he tells the crowd.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm not the cheat, the cinematic crap that we fell
in love with the last few years. Man like that.
It's crazy, is the problem.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Here's another big issue I have is that they give
him the black like botif as he comes out right,
it just says John Cena, which is like, okay, he's
trying to take away, taking away the color and all
of that, but he still comes out wearing the colorful merch.
And it was like, bro, like, y'all, you're so afraid
to not sell the merch that you won't just give
him to me. Give him a black shirt that says

(18:31):
John Cena on the front, and have him wear a
black hat that says John Cena on it. And he
was black georts and black sneakers. Because you're not getting
colorful John Cena.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's gone.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
And they would still sell those shirts. People would buy
those shirts. You can't tell me people would buy the
black shirt that said John Scena on it just because
as even ironically people will, that's still money, whether they're
spending it as a joke or they literally like the shirt.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Actually like the shirt that's the money counts the.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Same exactly, and you know that's all cares about exactly.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
So I don't That's what's throwing me off too.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's just like he's coming out supposedly doing the minimalist
kind of look, but his gear is still blue and
orange and it's still got I remember the show he
had from Saint Louis, him with the salute in front
of the Saint Louis arch and it's like, that doesn't
look like a bad guy.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
It's like Captain America, Like why were we doing this?
Like it just gotta fully commit to this.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm not mad that they didn't necessarily change up his
gear totally or his music. He can keep the music,
he can honestly keep the George and the T shirt,
but like, at least change the color, like, don't stop
giving them understand they want to sell the merch in
every city that he visits for the last time, quote unquote,
so that's your chance. But just run is still his
last run. So no matter what merch you put out,

(19:47):
it's still the last time it's gonna be a thing.
So commit, commit everybody. WWE John Cena, I'm not sure
if John Cena is feeling it. And then he acted
the show. He has this like look on his face
like he did he know he did something wrong and
he's about to cry about it and just go I'm good.
I'm shaking off, Like yeah, they're already planting seeds for

(20:11):
him to be like, I'm sorry, y'all take me back.
And now he got to get through our truth first,
you know, he did the evil thing to our truth.
But like it just it's just not clicking, bro, It's
just not there. The stakes that they are telling us
don't make any sense to us, Like save wrestling, all right,

(20:33):
I think we kind of know that, Like that's not
what's gonna happen, not gonna ruin wrestling, Like so what
the stakes don't even make sense? You know, Like when
you're talking about Cody Roads and Roman Reigns, what make
that work was that it was Cody either gonna fulfill
his destiny and win this title for his family or
he doesn't get it pretty much another shot at it

(20:54):
ever again pretty much like it was like do or die,
and he's doing it for his family and his legacy
himself obviously too, he wants to win. Yeah, it was
real deep meaning that I think a lot of people
could relate to. You know, especially if you have a
great relationship with your father and or your parents in general,
and you just look up to them. You want to
win win for them, whether they're still here or they

(21:16):
passed on, or whatever the case may be. You want
to fulfill something that they didn't get done. Right that.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I think that clicked with a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
This story. I'm not sure where you kind of like
emotionally invest in it at because even the stuff that
Johnsen is doing that it's like heelish. It's making me laugh.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's supposed to it's he's it's almost like a mocking.
He's a he's mocking a heel right.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
He might as well have like somebody tied up on
the train tracks, like got you this time? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Put them in a black hat, get them a little
little thin mustache.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Let him twirl it, and let him tie somebody up
on the train tracks every week.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
It's almost like, oh you want you guys wanted me
to do this for twenty years and now I am.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Like no, like this ain't no, this ain't it.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's not it's like in a way, it feels like
it's that and they so they're like mocking the fans
who wanted him to turn heels, like oh, this is
what you want it. The whole time, it's like why
are you doing this? Like why are you Like we
spent like a year or two being like, oh, we're
finally getting rewarded there. W w's not creatively not treating
us like, you know, we're stupid, and now I feel

(22:25):
like they're back to treating us like we're stupid.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, how do we get back here?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah? It's just it's not all And it's funny because
it's like not only Sina, but that's obviously the biggest
He's a w W champion, so that's the biggest fail
right now, it's so much more that they're just not
hitting the mark with and it's so I like, again
I said it before, we saw like a down swing coming.

(22:50):
You can't just continually get better, like eventually you reached
the peak creatively and you got to like come down
a little bit to reset almost And I just I
don't see the thing is when you reset, we could
see the vision. What is the vision right now?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I mean, I guess it's Cody Rhodes coming back to
say wrestling at some point.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I guess again, I don't want to window Susina again.
But well, that's fair. That was a get that.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
That was not a good match.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
But what else is the where do you else do
you go?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Right? If there's no one else that they're like building
to dethrone John Cena like you would think, But I
guess still early, it's May, it's been a month since
he won the title. Do you have someone building the
SummerSlam that leads to try and beat Johnston?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Who's whoigas Cody? Cody comes back after money in the bank.
Let's say they do Saturday nice Man and Vegas are truth.
I think they do. I think Sena is. I'm pretty
sure he's advatised for money in the bank. That makes
sense to me to do a seampunk match, run that
back at money in the bank again like they did
back in twenty eleven. They're not gonna happen. Classic It's
three weeks away from today. I don't know, bro, I

(24:05):
didn't know it was that close, So I don't know.
But I feel like if you do Cody, maybe they
do see him punk at Summer Slam. But I feel
like you could do Cody at SummerSlam and have him win.
I don't know. Seventh Damn, that's real close. That's money
in the bank. Jesus. They got these shows coming in
rapid succession two weeks from Uh well it's a Saturday,

(24:27):
so yeah, okay, Well le's than two weeks. So what's
in July? I know they're doing a uh no, that's
in June two. I don't know what's in July then?
Maybe nothing, but because I just I think the ticking
clock aspect of this is probably the best thing they
got going for. But it doesn't feel like I'm not

(24:48):
sure because what's because it's bad right now, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
I want to wait the whole year, you know what
I'm saying, Like, if it.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Was good Champions in the of June two, which is
a Saudia race, Champions, sure that you have another Saturday
Night's main event in July, but then you have Summer
Slam after that.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
So Okay, I forgot about nither champions in Saudi Arabia,
But I just feel like the story was good leading
up to let's say, if they dragged it out to
the end of the year, I think I'd be okay
with that. But it hasn't.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It hasn't been good. So it's like, wrap this up, bro, Like,
we don't need this to December. Get this out the
way in August, July, whatever Summer Slam is so we
can go and get the John Cena apology toward kicking
and rolling and things make sense. Again, this don't make
any sense right now.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
You know that title. Technically it's like.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Not oh yeah, it's a SmackDown Championship. I mean he
was on SmackDown. I thought recently.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
I thought he was. That's where our truth, our truth
stuff has happened.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
He was. He wasn't there this past week, and Cody
was apparently advertised for SmackDown and he did not show
up on TV at least, so I didn't read to
see if he appeared after show it off the air.
But everybody's like waiting for Cody to appear on TV
and he just didn't, not even a promo, it's like,
what are they doing with Like, they haven't even mentioned Cody.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean, I guess you don't mention him, so when
he comes back it's a big deal. Yeah, you're like, oh,
I forgot about Cody.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
But who forgot about Cody though? I mean, you know
they're they built three years of You're not gonna forget
about Cody Roads. And so that's why the creative is
it doesn't hit you know, it doesn't make sense now
if you wanted The Rock to somehow back Seth and
broad Breaker with Paul Hayman kind of doing like a
bloodline type thing like and then Seth meets John and

(26:41):
then that's how John turns face again.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
No, no, no, Seth is beating Jay Usa for the
title and the Rock. I don't need him anywhere near anything.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Honestly.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
He just comes in and takes it just takes up
so much space creatively, it kind of this is like
three two years in a row. He's coming in sort of.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
That more sense.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, But honestly, I feel like there's something more going
on there with people aren't on the same page, and
I feel like The Rock to see to.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Stay away for a while because it just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
He adds eyeballs in some extent, but just the the
logic behind the creative it just doesn't click. Like this
is second year in a row that happened around WrestleMania,
and that's two years. Bro, we can't keep doing this.
Like either you're in with a full fleshed out story
or you're out. I think that's maybe that's me I'm talking.

(27:32):
I don't think I'm speaking for anybody here. I'm speaking
for me. Like I just feel like the non committal
and they have to wait and see if he's available
and all this and that.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I think that's messing up everything, honestly.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Like either you're if it's okay either way. If you're out,
be out, do your thing. I think that's fine, just go,
or if you're in, you're in for a little bit,
do your thing for three or four months and then
get out. Like it's just it's just it's just not
working right, It's just not working. And to me, I
don't think the rock is need for the Seth Rolands
thing at all. Just le Seth Rollinds lead the group.

(28:06):
He just just started it.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean I don't mean mess the
group up. But like, you know, just link the Paul
Hayman and the Rock because the bloodline stuff and be like, okay,
like that's my corporate champ. He doesn't even have to
like appear, just be like that could be the avenue
they take maybe to turn John back at some point.

(28:28):
But yeah, I if you believe the Rock he wanted
Cody to turn heel outrageous and so he got help
voted apparently good. At least Triple H wanted Sina to turn.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
If the Rocks can come up with bad ideas, then
I meet your ideas, because turning Cody heel on twenty
twenty five at least at that point bad idea.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah. I mean that the whole reason they didn't do
is sena, wasn't it, Especially you know, the face of
the company plus the merchant stuff. It's like, we can't
like if you turn heel, you know, our numbers could suffer.
And I think it'd be the same with Cody, Like
it's this isn't nineteen ninety six nWo stuff. It's it's
we're past that. Not everything like that is going to

(29:16):
That was like lightning in a bottle. You're not going
to recreate stuff like that to especially in twenty twenty
five when the bottom line is the biggest deal to companies.
If you turn Cody heel, Like, I think it's pretty
obvious that your merch sales will suffer. It's not people
are good all of a sudden continue to buy Cody stuff.

(29:39):
I don't know, Like with the the scene is stuff
I get because like the character and the people that
like it probably buy anything. But like you got kids
who love Cody, you probably don't want anything to do
with them. So I don't know. It's a fine line
as a business whether you want to do that or not.
But yeah, I think Cody has a heel. Still doesn't

(30:03):
what he'd be like the cornball heel, you know, at
this point, I don't see John, you know, he'd be
telling people to ship do they have, like who is
their best heel? Like I don't even know. Tom's not
even a heel anymore if you like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Know, he's still the villain. Uh, Like Logan palls up there.
I guess Drew McIntire is always is.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Like showing the respect to Pat mcavay who comes out
the other two days later, like he's not hurting like that.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, that was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Pat McAfee, that's the creative, like the little creative stuff
that they paid attention to, you know, for like two
years it seemed like, and now it's like everybody's going
through the motions again.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, I agree, that's friend like kind of going through
the motions at certain points. But I would say it
is he's I have always been like an honorable heel
like he's he's more cocky and arrogant than like evil,
is what I get the vibes from me. He's like,
I'm better than you and I know it, So, like,
why are you even approaching me?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I'm nice?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
You not? He killed and then but then he was
mad at Jay at that point he cause remember he like,
why am I even wrestling you? I beat you already, brow,
I'm wasting my WrestleMania on you.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I'm mad. So he got he got upset.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
But generally Gunther isn't evil as much as he's just like,
I'll trash you, and then he does. He's like, I
told you, I know it's gonna do this.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm like that.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
So I I like Luther being that kind of guy. Actually,
it's a refreshing take on the villain where he's not
necessarily a coward.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
He's not an evil person. He's just he's just cocky.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And that he takes his you know, he's smart about it.
He takes like what he has the chance to cheat
or something, he'll take it, but he won't like continuously
do it like he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He doesn't even use weapons. He saw gun through, use
a steel chair, you know what I'm saying. He just
beats the daylight out of people. I don't have to.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
And then if like you put up a good fight,
you're all right.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I'll still beat you. But you did I you know,
good job. Pat.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Now get out of here.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Let me go on. If you can come up here again,
I'm have to slap you again. You're telling Jay you
so I'm tired of slapping you. He got tired of
slapping Jay us and he's done slapping around Patrick mc
patrick McAfee. Pat McAfee said, it's the whole government name
Patrick McAfee, not his parents. We got some new debuts,
or that's new debuts, some new talent debuting in w W.

(32:31):
Also at Backlash, we had the artists formerly known as
Jeff Cobb. They debut as j C. Matteo and he
is a part of the Solo blood line. Now he's
the new heavy in the blood line.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Uh Soo is the only guy that cares about the
blood line apparently.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, nobody else is in even the Tongue is. I
don't even see them on SmackDown. You don't want to
hurt now, I think although both hurt and I know
one hurt his foot, but in Survivor series tongue lower
but I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Ma Tongo is also hurt.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
But he got hurt.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, but yeah, the bloodline is down to Solo, j C.
Mitteo and for now Jacob Fattoo. But I feel like
Jaco Fatu even see j C. Mitteo is like, hey,
you're trying to replace me. I think he's a big
guy and I'm a big guy, and he's on the
room for one of us. I feel like you're going
to see a j. C. Miteo attack on Jacob Fatu

(33:23):
at some point. I mean, for all sense of purposes,
is a babyface.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Now it's the same thing for Tom. For me, it's
like they're supposed to be heels, but the crowd loves them.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh yeah, Jacob Fatoo is a baby people are saying
his catchphrases. Yeah, he comes out with I mean, I
don't know how he does that, but somehow Jacob Fato
is the blackest person on the show with black people
on the show, and he's the blackest person, but he
does the whole thing all gas, no breaks type deal,
and people are saying with him. So only a matter

(33:55):
of time before uh, the neighborhood bully becomes the babyface.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Finally did that I love you Solo, because it's been
a while, but he did it, so like you why
I love you Solo? Get out of here? Why he
ain't feel like that no more?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Oh, no reason to, no reason too.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I mean another thing, the blood line thing, just I'm
not why did Why does no one else care about
except Solo? It makes no sense, like a Solo led
blood lines not doing anything even with Jacob fatu, Like
everyone loves Jacob and we'll see will Jacob and Solo

(34:40):
have bloodline battles? Like will Jacob have his own army?
Like doesn't even need an army? Like this is the
stuff that I just I don't, I don't know. There's
there's no outlook. There's the outlook of Jacob fatu like
turning on Solo and the bloodline. But like after that,
what what do we got?

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I guess we'll see whether it's gonna be good or not.
That is a different story all together. Last bit of
news here before we kind of go, before we do
go onto our deep dive is about Jim Ross. I
should have mentioned this, I think earlier, but Jim Ross
tweeted a couple of days ago that he has been
diagnosed with colon cancer and he's scheduled for surgery the

(35:23):
next week or two.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
So that's what we said on May fifteenth via.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
X so I say tweeted he posted on x but yeah,
more bad news.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Prayer long are more bad news.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
So yes, prayers up the JR. I hope, hope the
surgery goes well. And yeah, that's that sucks.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, I was, you know, never too early to get
checked out, so I had last year, I had my
first colonoscopy. I'm not even forty yet, So.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
There you go, get checked out.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Fellas I feel like we are. And I'll include myself
in that. Sometimes forget to go to the damn doctor
and you gotta go.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Then they're too much. The last year that I've liked bit.
You know, it's better than better to be safe than sorry.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's fair. So I'm Joe JR. As you know, we're
not talking to JR. But I'm talking to other guys
out there. Take care of yourself.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
But again, praise up for JR.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
I hope the surgery goes well and it can beat
cancer and give back to being good old JR. Even
on TV potentially, but he's got obviously bigger things to
worry about with this unfortunate diagnosis of colon cancer. So
again shout out to JR and hope he pulls through
with that. Anything else in current day nonsense before we

(36:50):
go into.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Our deep dive.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
If you were, I was watching it, but it was
all mute because I was paying attention to the Union
and the Phillies last night. But Collision apparently went off
the early last night after ninety minutes. Apparently there was
technical difficulties, which I don't necessarily buy. But it was
like a night. It was around, you know, ninety minutes

(37:13):
through the show of a two hour show and TNTs,
you know, cuts it off and starts showing Black Adam.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
All the things of all.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Things, So you know, I had it on mute, you know,
working on my computer and you know, doing work with
the Union and the Phillies, and I look over and
I'm like, wait, it's over already, because the last segment
I saw was the tribute to Mago and we had
Heyglower appearance. Ri Claire came out and it was only.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Nice w TV. That was nice of aw to do that.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
By the way, I never worked for an OB so
that's nice.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
And uh, you know, I didn't think we see Rick
at a w again, but here he has an appearance
for that. And right after that, you know, the movie
starts and I'm like, oh, so, like I'm looking and
i see like the beginning of the movie and I'm like, oh,
it must be like a preview a w B thing
or something like a Warner Brothers Discovery thing where they're

(38:12):
just showing a preview on Collision. And then like the
longer it goes, I'd start rewinding it and I'm like,
did they go off the air? Like did they end
the show or whatever? And it just seemed like it
was a normal commercial break. So I start like searching
Twitter just to see as like everybody's like, why the
hell is it was all Max too, where you know,
it cut off and everything, so it was like everything

(38:33):
stopped for a collision just appairly. TK made it an
announcement that there was technical difficulties, but ten minutes later
you see on the bottom of the screen like, aw,
collision will not be shown tonight. It's like, but you
were showing it, Like what the hell just say if
it was real, like technical difficulties prevents us from showing

(38:57):
the rest of collision or something, not that it's not
gone to air because it just aired for ninety minutes.
But yeah, I don't I don't know what happened, Like
I've heard the show wasn't good Collisions, So it's like
there was the joke out there that exacts execs told U,
you know that the shut off collision and start the

(39:18):
movie early, So that would be funny if that were true.
Probably not, but yeah, it's like it's just weird. I
don't know. I thought it was weird. You get it
was a tape show. I believe too, So it's like,
how does how does it happen ninety minutes after I

(39:38):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, that's weird. I've never heard of a show going
off the air too early. Technical difficulties are unfortunate in
that respect, But how does that happen?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
How do we get there?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
This show sucks? Let's so black at them.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
That's crazy, right, I mean it was Saturday night. I'm
sure people were watching. Somebody was watching. But good. I
guess if it does happen, you rather happen to Collision
and not dynamite. But you don't want it to happen ever, obviously,
because that's crazy and t n T. They're just like,
we got something to be placed stat with what happened.

(40:14):
That's weird, but that's unfortunate. Sorry to all the Collision
fans out there who was watching on Saturday night?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (40:22):
What was I on Saturday night? That was just yesterday,
man in the streets.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's what sports night. We had the Phillies win and
the Union wins the first time ever in Atlanta? How
about that?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Oh my god, do doupe doop doop doo doo doo dup.
I was at the Union game last week actually last Wednesday. Nice, Yes,
when they played India eleven.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Uh dramatic, dramatic was.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
No? Oh no, no, they weren't talking about in Atlanta
or the India eleven game.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
No, No, No, the Wednesday game.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Oh that was Galaxy.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
No, I was the previous Wednesdays, the previous win, the
US Open Cup game. No, yeah, I fact they played
the La Galaxy this past week, So my bad on that.
But I got confused there as well. Yes, not the
India eleven game, not the Galaxy game. That was also
dramatic though. It was that Galaxy game. But yeah, that

(41:19):
I was talking about the the India eleven and the
US Open Cup game. They were up one nothing, but
then they went to a shootout against the team I
never heard of before, so that was interesting, but it
made for an exciting finish.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
The first place Philadelphia Union, now how about that?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
How about that? First place in the Eastern Conference for.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Now in the Major League Soccer playing above their heads.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
But yeah, I don't. I don't think anybody is, like, yep,
you you know, the top team and East.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
They're not as formidable as they were a few years
ago when they were the top team. But you know,
this is one of those magical runs so far, so
let's keep it up.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Don't get that look at that. You got soccer knowledge
on here and everything. I've got it all for you.
We got it all for you on here. We also
got a deep dive Nick, are you ready to dive
deep into heat Wave nineteen ninety eight? Damn straight, we
have any sound for this at all?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Not at all? Okay, it's just like a regular they
have the regular ECW open and it's just it's funny,
or when they do that in the on the pay
per views, or they just use the same open as
their TV.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
So ECW heat Wave took place on August second, nineteen
ninety eight. That show emanated from the Hara Arena Hoira
Arena have Dayton, Herra and not Harra's casino Hara ha
r A, but in Dayton, Ohio, a building that is

(43:00):
no longer in operation. Unfortunately. When it was an operation,
the building hosted a bunch of minor league hockey and
basketball teams and one indoor football league team, not arena football,
indoor football league. They were called the Dayton Skyhawks. You
know that team, You know Skyhawks.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Of course, you're a big Skyhawks.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Fan, sky Hawks for life.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yep, you know set of those groundhawks, scot Hawks only
in the sky. According to cage Match, I think go
to the Wikipedia this. I went to cage Match Dot
net for this attendance information. According to them, they had
four three and seventy six people in the building that night,
which is a lot of people for an ECW show

(43:46):
in this mid sized building. I assume pretty good crowd
in my opinion. Joey Stylesdale said that there were more
than five thousand people in the building that night, so
somebody was lying. Who was lying, we don't know, but
anywhere between four three and seventy six and over five thousands.
That's where we're That's where we're at here. But where

(44:08):
are we at this time in our lives and pro wrestling.
We're in the middle of the summer of nineteen ninety eight,
and pro wrestling in the United States is white hot, booming, booming, Baby,
we got WWF on the Highway to Hell. We're less
than a month into Goldberg's championship reign as World Heavyweight

(44:30):
Champion in WSW. He's probably like one hundred and fifty
four and oh or something like that, anywhere in the
middle of probably ECW's peak as a promotion right ninety
seven ninety eight times. I don't know if it gets
better because by ninety nine they started losing talent, and
that dectimates that the TNN deal and that was also
disaster for them on hindsight. But in ninety eight they

(44:53):
got still all their talent. They got all their main
stays like the Tommy Dreamer and Saboo and the Dudley
Boys and Shane Douglas. But they also had guys in
the rise like Taz and Rob Van Dam who are
both poised to enter the main events scene. You know,
Taz is pretty much there, but Rob Van Dam is
an attag team with Saboo. But man, not that long
from now, he's going to be the TV champ and
hold that till two thousand. So it was a good

(45:17):
time to be a wrestling fan, Nick, I need to
know what do you remember about this time summer nineteen
ninety eight, August again, Highway to Hell, Goldberg's World champ
and heat waves happening.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Man, I think I met Kevin Nash in the summer
of ninety eight, man, would man like I was just
like so I had met the Rock as well. That's
I think it was as well. Ball had a ton
of wrestlers coming, and.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I recall seeing those like commercials on like for like
Public Access TV or something like Meet somebody at the
Echelon Mall. I've never been.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
They had an already wrestling store there. I want to
say it was like Heroes Wrestling, but I think it was.
I think the name was different, but Hall of Heroes
maybe if that was the name of it. My first
I want to say my first autograph there signing was
the Sandman because I can't I can't remember if it

(46:16):
was before or after the Rock and Stoke hold. Steve
Wolston was at the Deafer Mall, but yeah, ninety eight
was a big year for me, getting, you know, to
meet wrestlers at this, especially the Eschelon Mall. The different
mall didn't seem to have him a lot, but what
they did it was Stoll called Steve Austin, so I
guess they did pretty well with that, and I got

(46:39):
the Sandman's autograph. The pit Bulls were there because I
think it was supposed to be I don't want to
say Taz, but definitely was another ECW talent that did
not make it, so the pit Bulls filled in. It
might have been Shane Douglas. Actually I'm not entirely sure,
so uh yeah, this uh is smack dab in the

(46:59):
middle of creatively one of the best years of wrestling.
Ninety seven is my favorite year in wrestling, but ninety
eight was also good. WCW was kind of on the
day out swing, but creatively they were still it still
wasn't like terrible terrible, but you can see like the
cracks forming and you know, the ships starting to sink
a little bit, especially when Hogan is the champion again

(47:21):
just months after Staying vanquished him and the nWo. It's like,
we're doing this again, but a lot of the other Yeah,
I mean I hated him back then just because I
didn't know why everyone loved him. I was like, he's
demolishing everybody, every jobber. You know. I first got the
Internet in ninety eight, so I learned these terms. So

(47:43):
I was like, Oh, he just beats the jobbers, you know,
like and then he wins the title, the US title,
and I'm like, ah, whatever, maybe Togan for the world title.
I'm like, what the hell he's he's doing the Stoke
gold Steve also thing, you know, like he's balled and
as a goate and it was one of the marks
back then. So I was a little mad when WW

(48:05):
would do really cool things because I wanted WWF to
have all the glory apparently. I mean, like e c
W was not as what I loved about it in
ninety seven, but it was still hot, and like you said,
it was it was the peak at this point in
e c W ninety eight for sure. Taz Shane Douglas,

(48:27):
Bam Bam, RVD Saboo, Tobby Dreamer, and the sad Man
to a lesser extent. But I hated the Dudleys. But
you know, they were really good at being heels, but
I just hated them. And we'll see, Like the ridiculous
how long it took to start the last match of
this card was just stupid. But you know that's the

(48:49):
stuff I didn't like about ECW too much. So yeah,
like we were on the highway to Hell SummerSlam, you know.
Also to the Undertaker, I wasn't like thrilled, but it was,
I guess better than Austin and do Love because I
didn't really like that and Caine, uh being like tag

(49:11):
team with Mankind and then having this little cahoots thing
with the Undertaker. I was like, ah, this kind of
stinks because they were like they just had a batch
of WrestleMania, like why are all of these suddenly friendly?
Like Caane tried to kill his brother? What the hell
are we doing here? So but ECW was the real
promotion to me, it was just funny. Thinking back, it's like, Okay,

(49:32):
like those corty things that happened in WWWWF don't happen
at ECW because ECW is real.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
I mean that's pretty much the conversations though. I would
have those no scow Bus and people would be like, yo,
sap boo, he's a real same Hey he smoked cigarettes
and waited to ring like so.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Not everything was polished. I think that's what made him, no,
you know, feel real.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Hell no, it wasn't. It wasn't polished in any way.
It's far even though the network had aired on anyone
like Channel forty eight, like wg t W baby, Like
nobody watched that unless she was watching like Urban Expressions
or e c W.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Did you watch on that?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
So yeah, the whole packaging was unpolished, and I think
that's what made people go like this is no. I
like that WWF stuff, like that w c W stuff,
but this stuff over here is real, Like they really
be fighting each other. There's girls everywhere, like.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Because there's always weapons, so nobody's disqualified ever.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Anytime you like I got like new Jack on TV,
I feel like I know new Jack.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I saw him the other day.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
He's wrestling, like they got him too. I just saw
him around the corner, so like people like that saying,
man like that's a guy who worked at the Delhi
around the corner, Like I know he made me a
holy last week.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I still have a chair. When I took a picture
with him too, that was like the thing.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So heads were they just they're just normal people though
they look normal.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
They saw that the scarred as forehead. I'm like, oh
my god, that's stuff. I've seen you slam beer cans
on your head on TV. Hey, this is this is
surreal right now.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Like yeah, I feel like I met both of them,
but yet they're on TV, and I feel like that's
why people were like this this ain't this, ain't that
other stuff. So this is real. But yeah, Easter W
like you said, at its peak at this point creatively
and all the talent that they had. They're so deep
with talent, and w W saw that too, and they're like, oh,
we'll take the Dudley Boys, We'll take tests Uh, we

(51:29):
might come back for you, lady, Shane Douglas. Oh, RVD,
we'll see you in a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Oh, let's get let's get al.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Snows, take him out of here. Let's just pluck a
couple of guys here and there. We'll be back. We'll
be back for more. Don't worry, Rhyano, we see you
coming up. We'll take him to don't worry.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
But yes e c W. And then we start the show.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Uh, they just come to the arena and fans of
any arena, they're already high up.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
They're doing the ECW chants. Joey Styles in the ring
and he.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Introduces his announced partner for the night, because Joe Styles
typically does the shows by himself, but he's got a
partner this night, and his partner is the injured ECW
World Heavyweight Champion Shane Douglass.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Who was alongside Fran scene.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
And they are also walking out to dubbed music which
I will bring up again later on.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
It is tough though, it's tough there.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
That's the funny thing. He used licensed music all the time.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, it's that's fair, but it's just tough in hindsight.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Now, Yeah, we go very clear.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Twenty something years later it would be twenty No, not
twenty yet it be Is it twenty man twenty years ago? Yeah,
we're talking man almost thirty years ago, so we're talking
twenty seven years ago since this they you know, things
were different back then.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I guess it, Yes we are.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
But I guess Paul Hamman didn't think that this would ever.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Be on the streaming.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Do you predict that the right This will never see
the like the day for the most part, unless you
taped it. So there's no way to think about, like
all this is gonna be on one place for nothing
pretty much. That's crazy, and they're gonna bleep everything out.
But they didn't bleep everything because Shane Douglass comes out
and his yells cut the f N Music.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Cut it right in the pay per view. I guess,
you know, like they don't bleep that out.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
They were bleeping certain things though they didn't. They didn't
miss every they didn't get everything.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
That's a weird thing. You know, go back watch these shows.
Not everything is censored.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
They caught Booker t last week. Then when we talked
about Springsteen, they made sure they got that that was
definitely edited.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
But it was edited. Definitely not when they uploaded it,
it definitely wasn't. So at some.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Point it wasn't even that they edited the like the
like they like bleeped book of t They added his
own voice to it. They dubbed it over voice, sucker.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
And we come up with you like they could have
just cut the audio made it silent.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Right, But then you s you like kind of see
him say it and you know what he's saying. You
see him mouth it. Yeah, at least when he goes
We're coming for you, sucker, he kind of it kind
of distracts you, but it's it's still good.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
It's all good.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Shane Douglas, by the way, comes out with the leather hat,
the stupid leather hat that him and Triple H would wear,
and I was just like, man, they kind of had
the same style.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
At leastwise, I feel like at this time Triple Ah
maybe he did.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
He took some took some plays right, Like yes, the
hat for sure, the backwards leather cap, which is like,
I hate those stupid hats. They always looked dumb to me.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
And the right and instead of the franchise, he's the game.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
You know, It's like instead of like McDonald's and McDonald's
from Coming to America and they got the Golden Arcs.
We got the Golden Arches something like that. They got
the Big Mac, we got the Big Mac, we got
the franchise. I'm the game triple Ah. By the way,
that's I mean, I'm calling spade a spade did it better.
He was really good at it. That's no shame on
Shane Douglas, but it's.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Just sane Chane completely abandoned that look when he went
to w c W.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
So he did, he did.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
But either way, we start off with Shane Douglas yelling
and cursing, and then Joey Styles does a terrible breast
joke in the ring about breast.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
As usual and yeah, and I was like, oh, I like.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
This, there's no cursing. And then Joey Styles did dead joke.
It was like, all right, now I'm out, I'm done.
Francine's and shoves Joey Styles's face into her bosom and
we're off to a wild start here at Heat Waved
ninety ninety eight. That's how the show starts, right, That's
how the show begins again.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
I was, you know, I thought it was a little weird.
I guess, I don't know. I don't even know if
they were a real couple in real life. But you know,
the crowds channing, you know, their usual show, you're you know,
and she is it and then Shane Douglass goes up
to her, pulls her top out a little bit, and

(56:07):
he takes a peek and then he you know, that's
how they tease each other. I'm like, I wonder if
he really is that okay? You know, like, was francying
okay with that? Certainly wasn't okay with what Rick rude?
Did you know before that which you know, that viral
clip was going was on Twitter recently where you know,

(56:27):
he grabbed her and took her to the back while
doing some not so good things and she was not
a fan of that, and people kept posting it. It's like,
it's like a bad moment in my career. Can we
not like have this continue?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I've seen that clip, but she's does she like post
like saying like this sucked? Like I feel like that's.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Pretty much yeah yeah, yeah, so you know this when
when Shane does that in the ring, it just made
me think of that. It's like, was that like was
she cool with that or was he just playing to
the crowd? And like did she just have to be
okay with it? Because if she wasn't, would she face
any you know, anything backstage? And it just it made

(57:12):
me think about that, and I was like, I hope,
I hope she was okay with that. That's that's all.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Well, yeah, unfortunately, you know, the Rick Roustuf probably wasn't
the first time or the last time something happened that
she did not consent to. And you know, in little
even micro waves, you know, you're not talking about like
the worst possible ways even but just I guess you
call them microaggressions, I guess, but they happened all the time,
but they you know, you don't they're not big, massive things,

(57:39):
so they kind of like get brushed aside. Sometimes it's
not that big of a deal, but like they still like.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
It's still.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
We we realized that like back then, it just wasn't
and portrayed that way. Even you know, I don't remember
even reading about it online. It wasn't even on like
message boards or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
So no people cheering. I'm sure people were happy to
see them pick up Francine. That's how it was. I mean,
just like we saw this like happy, people were happy
to see Joey Styles and or bosom.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
So just to start the show, that's before the opening video.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Just because, by the way, just because Franccene does that
the Joey Styles doesn't mean it's okay for Shane to
do that, you know, like it you know there's too
many people that equate. Well she did that, then it's fine,
Like no, like those are two different things, you know,
two different acts, you know, Like I just I don't know.
It's when we watched these things back, that's like the

(58:37):
very the most uncomfortable things to watch.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Well, fortunately we don't get a ton of it on
this show. We got some good wrestling though, So let's
shift gears to our deep dive format. Of course, we
have match of the night, worst match of the night,
are top non wrestling happening, our worst non wrestling happening,
and we have our random thoughts and notes to wrap
it up. Oh of course hitting gems we have those

(59:03):
as well. But Nick, I'll start with you, what was
your match of the night from heat Wave nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
This was tough for me, man, I could put two
Uh there but I'm gonna go with RVD, Saboo or
Saybus and Sin says Shinzaki a crazy tag match that
you know, it was funny because RVD and Saboo were
so like at odds or it could have been just

(59:31):
been Sabou, but like RVD was so funny and his
character is like acting like nothing was wrong between him
and Saboo, and like sat you could tell Sabu was
like annoyed RvDs gloating and you know, egoistic, egotistic, not egoistic,
but egotistical nature that Sabo was just getting tired of

(59:52):
that and RVD was like, ah, it's fine. So like
the promo before that made me laugh. But when they
got the ring, they were just like great, you know,
like it was like they they weren't like at odds
in the ring, which made it funny, like there were
certain things here and there, but like they always won.
They were tag team champions for a grid out Loud,

(01:00:14):
like they were such a good team. And I didn't
even realize back then, like I thought it was a
weird pairing, but you know, RVD was trained by the
original Chic. You know, I didn't realize that. So there's
a connection there between RVD and Saboo that I didn't
even realize back then. Like I remember thinking, like, why
are these guys a tag team?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Tag team Michigan guys?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
You know? Yeah, Like and by the way, it was
funny when the ring announcer announced Saboo from Bombay, Michigan,
and I was like, wait a second's crazy forgetting that
that's what Sabu played into like he was he was
billed as from Bombay, Michigan sometimes, like it wasn't. It
wasn't a slip from the ring announcer. Like I was like, oh,

(01:00:56):
he slipped, And.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Is there is an actual place called Bombay, Michigan like
that we don't know about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I don't know, but you know that I always thought
it Bombay, India, right, But I mean that's no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That's a place. Is Bombay, Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I mean, like I didn't realize that back then. It
was just funny And after hearing it, I was like,
was that a thing back then? And it was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
It was in the Midland County, the region in Midland County, Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, see, I was. It was one of those things
where I just did not realize. So but yeah, like
that was a tag team or just like so entertaining.
And then you put Hayabusa in the former Hakushi, which
RVD sneezed a couple of times, stared as promo sneezed Hakushi,

(01:01:43):
And you know, I remember him from basically WWF Brett hartfeud.
You know, that was the biggest thing he did that
Barry Harbitts tried to americanize him. Was not as impactful,
thankfully to me, at least as his matches with Brett Hart.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You still remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That's true, That's true. But we did talk about it
not too long ago on this show, so it was
kind of in my head because when we talked about
that at some point, it might have been the first
in your house when we talked about it, because his
match for Brett Hart was on the first in your
house as well. But yeah, it's just like it was
cool seeing Hia Bossa in America too, Like I didn't

(01:02:23):
really watch him, like ECW was the only chance I
got to watch him. Yeah, he would appear like it
was great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, Hya Bousa man, he was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Right, Like I remember watching him and Ray Mysterio thinking
like they were similar, but like for some reason, i'd
I'd be more impressed with Hya Boosa. Maybe it's because
of my w CW bias neess, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I would say him and Sabo has similar styles and
similar looks, which is kind of from the pants standpoint.
But Hya busa cool name. Hia Boosa is a cool name.
He looked cool, like like a power ranger. For me,
that was like as a kid, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Love Avatar in WW right, so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Jesus, and also he did cool moves. What more did
I need to see? Maya busa right? And obviously it's
a shame that, you know, how his career ended and
eventually his life ended. But what could have been you know,
if he if he could have got to WWE, let's say,
like in the early two thousands, opposite of Rayveisteria, could
have been huge, Like think about how many masks that
could have sold of Hyabusa. Get one look at him like, yep,

(01:03:32):
bring him in, give.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Him all the money.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I would looked at him. But that's not what happened, unfortunately.
But in this match there were some wild sequences, right.
We had sad Wo hit a casual looking her in
Conrana from the top rope just for ninete ninety eight,
that's still like pretty good. Herd Conana from the top rope.
We had RVD follow that up with us, not only

(01:03:56):
with a splash, but he did the frog splash when
he turned his body mid air. Like it was like
like boom boom right after so much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I'm like, he's the only guy that could ever do that,
because like Eddie had a great frog splash, but he
wouldn't be able to do that because his was like
he didn't get the air, you know, like he he
got the force and like the straight down force whereat. Yeah,
if Eddie did the frogs flash like that was it.
But RvDs was like, but he got the air. It

(01:04:26):
just looked cooler to me. Maybe that was like wcw Bys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Everything was worse than w W Right, But no, RvDs
is definitely more spectacular, especially when he could just turn
his body in mid air.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
That's just the way he's would sell it, you know,
like grab his gut after he would land and it
was great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Shinzaki at one point hit a power bomb then follow
that up with a four P fifty splash and sad
boom and RVD had a rolling thunder leg drop combo.
They landed like and perfect timing together. It was like
it was like call it synchronized wrestling. It was like
boom at the same time, like that's dope, RVD hit
a Van Daminator or a terminator. It was like one

(01:05:08):
either one, like it's Vandaminator a terminator hybrid. And when
he went from one side of the ring to the
other while bell Alfonso held the chair in front of
Hyabusa and he just walks across the top top rope
and then kicks Yaboosa in the face like he's sitting
on the top rope. That's in That's insane. That's insane.
One thing for me to like describe it. But if

(01:05:29):
you've never seen this spot, go back and watch this
this match in general, like just watch the match. Like
some of the things they do in this match, it's
like what for like ninety eight, especially even today, the
spot of RVD walking across the ring to kick Kyabusa
in the face with the chair is insane, Right, that's
insane stuff, okay, but it's even more insane for nineteen

(01:05:49):
ninety eight and then sabu agating like he's wont to
do just tosses a chair straight into Shinzaki's face and
then well he tossed it, Shinzaki catches it, and then
RVD hits him with the Van Daminator right in the
quote unquote puss according to Joey Styles, which is like,
did you mean to say that or did he mean
to say mush and got mixed up. I don't know,

(01:06:11):
but that was insane. Uh, Saboo and RVD hit tandem
moves through tables and the end of the match is near.
They're about to pin somebody, at least RVID thought he was,
but that was until Sabo shoves him out of the
way and gets the pin to retain the ECW Tag
team titles. Such a fun match. The crowd went crazy.
Uh yeah, what a what an incredible what an incredible match.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
I think that. You know, there's things that you could
say about tag team wrestling at ECWS, like they the
matches weren't always crisp, Like the tag team wrestling was
one of the things that ECW that uh suffered a lot.
Here is like you would think the tag team division stats,

(01:06:58):
you know, like RVD Saboo as the tag team champions,
like every single tag match they had. I was thoroughly
entertained whether they were doing the same type of stuff
or not. Like I remember just watching every week on TV,
and I was just like, oh my god, like these
are the best tag team champions I've ever seen, like
just incredible stuff. And Hyabusa and Shinsaki were like you

(01:07:23):
didn't see them every week in ECW, so it was
like different. And you know, it's funny seeing like there's
a new Hyabusa now you see that every his just
the way he looks, the way he moves, the way
he does things is almost like a carbon copy of Hyabusa.
It's it's crazy how this person was able to do that.

(01:07:47):
I don't know, if I don't know who the actual
person is, it's it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
But I see this now, I new Hyabusa.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
He looks, I know, like it's so and maybe thinking that,
I'm just like, yeah, like to do Hya Busa could
do all this stuff, you know, like that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I'm glad that they kept the I mean, it's cool
to kept the character alive because I think, again, it's
such a cool look and if somebody could pull off
the moves that Hya Busa used to do. Yeah, I
still thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Can get over bro, Like it looks cool. I'm looking
at it like a Reddit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Thread of like a yodo of them from like twenty
days ago. So this is the first time hearing about this.
Thank you for this, Nick. Yeah, but the first comment
says that gear will make almost anyone look cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, the same thread.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Of course. Yeah, I agree with that person. That's one
hundred percent true. But yeah, that's that's dope. I'm glad
that they do that cause, like it keeps the higa
boosta name out there. I think it deserves the recognition,
Like we're here giving it, you know, giving the person
hiya boosta flowers and but I think keeping that alive
will make you also remember, you know, even though it's
a new person. But I'm gonna go back and watch

(01:08:54):
the old hyah Boosa too, the original Hyapoosa. It's not
like it's uncommon, you know. They there's names that get
passed down in Mexico. Different people become different types of
characters and whatnot. Just put you know, put them behind
the mask. But I'm kind of glad to do. Yeah,
that was terrible. That was terrible, but but yeah, I'm

(01:09:15):
cool with it. I got to see you know how
it is. But you know, if you can match the
I would assume that they wouldn't just put anybody in
Hiabusa gear and call him Higa Boosa. That's a legacy
gotta live up to. So I would assume that this
person can bring the goods, and I would be interested
in watching the new Higa Boosta because I think again

(01:09:36):
the look, the swag, the character, and then the offense,
the style of offense that they that Hya Boosa was
known for, I think would still get over today. It
was definitely over with me when I was younger, and
then you get older. You know, as time goes on,
you kind of lose the recipes, right as they said,
like you kind of people kind of forget.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
About Hia boost unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
You know, if you there are people who are wrestling
fans who've never probably never heard of Boosa. But but
I think bringing this character back, I think it's good.
I think I'm cool with that. And apparently it's family located,
which is nice. Yeah, I think that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
That's dope. That's good news. Now, we had some bad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
News earlier, but we got some good news, and I
appreciate that I'm cool with that. That's that's really cool.
But yeah, match to the Knight, Hyapusa Jin Sasan's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
That was your match of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yes, I agree for sure. Obviously you know the Saboo
nostalgia of it. You know in the we're paying tribute
to Saboo, but this is also as worthy of being.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
The Match of the Knight as well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Like again, some of the things that I've done in
this match are incredible, especially for nineteen ninety eight, and
some people and the man not be old enough to
even put themselves, have that fame of references. People walking
around don't just have a frame of reference for things
from nineteen ninety eight. But if you can and look
at other wrestling from around even the United States, you
don't have to go to Japan, just look at the
United States. You did not see that here in the

(01:10:55):
United States, and they were doing it all these nope
in Sae things on this night in the hot I'm
sure this building was nasty hot in Dayton, Ohio, and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Hot building a Dateton, Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
You could see some super innovative wrestling that this country
probably had never seen before, at least at this level.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Like you had the cruiser right division in WW, but
they were not doing it with tables and chairs and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Like doing triple jumps right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Like they they were cool, but this was on another level.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Like cooking chairs into people's faces, stuff like that, insane stuff.
But my honorable mention for this category has to be
tax versus Bam Bam bigelow for me. I don't know
what was your honorable mention if you had.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
One Tanaka versus awesome, like a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Oh man, that was a tough watch of me. Why
was that your honorable mention?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
If you it was a tough watch, it was, but
I think that was the part of supposed to make
it kind of go cringe a little bit. I So
it's funny because I don't think Taz and Bam Bam
was my was like, all right, this is tough for me.

(01:12:10):
I put Taz and Bam Bam as my worst match
in the night, but I don't think it was wow.
But I don't think it was a bad match wow.
I don't. I think it was too short and the
ending was a little wonky for me, but I think
everything else was great. So I don't think this Matt,
like this card had a bad match. So I didn't
want to get that out of the way because I
I don't want it to seem like I thought it

(01:12:32):
was the worst match because it was bad. Oh yeah,
I don't even My first thing was not even a
bad match. So I just the ramp thing. It was
just kind of like a playoff their previous match. It
living Dangerously, That's what I thought. So I was kind
of like, okay, Like creatively, I get it, but it's
also like, okay, you went through the ring and now

(01:12:54):
you're just going through a ramp. So not that it
wasn't awesome. I loved it, but creatively, I just didn't
think they matched what a lot of the other matches did.
So Tanaka versus Awesome, it was one of my first
time seeing that. Like, this is the thing I problem
I had with Hayman and booking ECW. He did so
many of the same matches all the time, and Masato

(01:13:17):
Tanaka versus Mike Awesome was a match that happened way
too much in ECW. But this is one of the
first times I saw it, and I did not see
heat Wave live, so obviously this is the first time
I like when the network, I didn't get the you
know vhs or anything of it. So when the WW
network came, this is the first time I saw that.
But I would see every I would see like every

(01:13:39):
TV match, you know, they would would be like almost
weekly or monthly occurrence because they would he would book
the same exact matches all the time. But this is
one of the first times I saw the Tanaka Awesome
match or first times it happened, and I just the
craziness of it, like the powerbo like the power bombs

(01:14:01):
through the table of the outside was just ridiculous, and
I'm like the crowd was eating everything up and I'm
just like, holy crap, like it it almost made my
match of the night. It did, and I just thought
it was like the ending, like Tanaka turns the tables

(01:14:21):
on Mike Awesome. Power bombs is through the table on
the outside, but it's not enough to end Mike Awesome.
So then he does like the elbow and not enough
to end Mike Awesome. Finally like he ends them with
the DDT Tornado DDT, so it's like on the chair
or whatever. It was just incredible. I thought that was

(01:14:42):
like an incredible match, and Mike Masata, Tanaka and Mike
Alsom had plenty of incredible matches. I just think Paul
Hayman booked it way too much because he knew they
had the chemistry. He knew that it'd be a great match.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
But to me, it was always gonna be somebody's first time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Yeah, but then it's like, Okay, that's lazy to me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I get it, I get it, I understand, especially because
they brutalized each other.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Yeah, it's tough to watch them, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
We watched him at one night stand and they brutalized
each other. Then obviously this is what would be seven
years prior. But to me, it's tough. It's just a
tough watch in hindsight because you just know the type
of damage they're doing to each other. The unprotected chair shots,
this knacka wolf and he just no sells it. And
then Tanaka like you said, dude, the power bomb through

(01:15:30):
the table outside of the ring. Wow, that looks bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Like I got. I don't cringe much when I'm watching something,
but I did a little cringe once I saw Awesome
falling the way the way he was falling to the
outside through the table. But I was like, that could
have been the best way he protected himself because it's
like that, I don't have it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I don't have it as a hidden gym or worse
Mack or anything like that. Just had it like some
random notes on it. But again, it's just tough. It's
just tough to watch in hindsight. But speaking of the match,
Mike Awesome, we just build at two hundred and ninety
five pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I had no idea he was even remotely that big.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Oh to ninety five, he was very tall.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Then he was like six six or six.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
He was doing springboards and blanches at two ninety five.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
In the nineties. I know he was getting cussed out
by people because I get too big. He shouldn't be
doing that. But Mike Awesome was awesome. He was dope bro.
He was dope man. He was an incredible athlete. I
really wish that he could have got like W's w
made him. They did nothing with them thriller hey, and

(01:16:40):
it's like, that's what you got out of this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
He's six six, two hundred and ninety five pounds and
he can jump out the gym.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
It should be easy to book a guy like Mike Ausome.
But I mean, w CW did nothing easy apparently, so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
But yes, that's your okay, your honorable mention.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Honorable mentioned. Honorable mention would be taking Bam Bam The
Living Dangerously match was a better match, But I thought
this match was still really fun. The crowd ate it up,
like you said. When they went through the elevated ramp,
people went nuts. Bam Bam climbed out of the hole
first and people thought, oh, task must be banged up. Nope,

(01:17:19):
he came up the whole second and then did a
throat slash and the fans went crazy when he did
the throat slash. And then he runs down the ramp
and jumps on Bam BAM's back, knocks him over and
then chokes him out the TAZ mission or did he
because Bam Bam was clearly reaching for the ropes, which
and then he said he tapped out and Shane Douglas

(01:17:39):
loses his mind, by the way, But why would there
even be rope brakes?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Were there rope breaks in ECW and in a false
count anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Match, that's the thing, that's the thing there. No one
was ever disqualified every so, but there were rope breaks
inside the rams. But for this match, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Falls count of everywhere, so anywhere, I should say, so
that was kind of weird. But either way, Tas wins
and he uh looks up at Shane Douglas, I say,
Ta gets on the turnbuckle and looks up at Shane Douglas,
who sitting in announcement position. They're up like on a
perch somewhere, but Taz can see him from the turnbuckle, obviously,
and then he hits him with the catchphrase you know

(01:18:24):
when if you can survive, I'll let you, And Shane
Douglas is like no, and took the TV monitor and
threw it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
On the ball. Paul Hayman's probably what the hell, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Right, couldn't afford to be losing TVs like that? What?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Who knows how much that TV costs?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Ninete ninety eight, pauls on the phone with vincement Man
like hey, brou He like, yes, send me some money
to I can replace a monitor.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Give me a Circuit City gift card. Maybe go straight
your Circuit City and get a new one. Baby, Come on,
remember Circuit City.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Please just be dope. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I used to go in and play video games all
the time. My favorite thing to do a Circus.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
City, I'll go. So my dad was working part time
at a store next to a Circus City, and when
I would go pick them up, I would stop in
Circus City and just check out the latest and greatest
and all. Man, you know, like radio shock in Circus City. Man,
those were the those were the places they were.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
You can get a stereo, you get a big old
too TV. You know what I'm saying. Maybe a VCR two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
City landline phone.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Oh my god, no, cordless courtless phone. Baby, with the
base charge. You gotta put it on the base.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
That's right, Because you got my phone about to I
got to call you back and put this phone on
the base, baby, I got to call you back though,
putting the phone on the base. Remember that, that was crazy.
Kids don't even know the things we did back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
They don't even know, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I don't even know about heat wave in nineteen ninety eight,
which you already said your worst match of the night
was Taz versus Band Bam.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Did not I think it was a bad match. I
want to I always want to ask that's.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Fair, that's fair. I went with go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
I was also a little I don't like how Taz
was booked a little bit here the promo he made before,
like giving him a title, his own title, and that's
saying like it's more important than Austin's and Goldberg's. I
thought that was glame. I even thought it was laying
back then. I was like, I thought UCWWL was supposed
to be a team man, so why does he talk

(01:20:28):
a ben about Austin Goldberg I don't care about, but
don't mess with Austin man, come on. But I definitely
thought like giving him a title and having him proclaim
it was more important than anything else. I didn't like it.
I know it was like first character and stuff, but
like watching it back then in nineteen ninety eight, I

(01:20:48):
didn't like it, and I remember thinking about that watching
this back, I was like, man, I used to hate
Taz some of his promos when he would if he
was like talking two people. He didn't like an E.
C W. I was all for it, even ws W,
but he will like he would talk about Austin and
stuff like that. I'm like, oh, no, man, come on,

(01:21:09):
no deed for that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Remember when a W started using the f tw W.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Title, Yes, yes, I do for no reason. Nobody asked
for that. No, but they was like, hey, Chris Jako,
you're the f tw W champion. Why why who cared?

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
But his Wikipedia page?

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Yep, he's the be the O show. I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Worst match of the night for me though it's the
main event in my opinion, the dudley Ville Street Fight
between Tommy Dreamer sand Man and Spike Dudley going against
the Dudley's Bubba Ray Devon and Big dig Dudley.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
It was just a match, bro Like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
It wasn't on a show full of good matches. This
was that was fine. You had the video before the
match of Buelah getting three D, which is like they
act like she died. Yeah, I remember that Tommy screaming
the slow motion. That was funny, all very dramatic. Not

(01:22:16):
the three D on Bulah, the reaction from Tommy and
the slow motion. I audibly laughed when I watched.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
How could you not laugh at that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Like that was funny as hell.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
This doesn't make me feel the feels like of like
emotions like oh no, I'm so sad for Tommy and Beulah. No,
instead you have them go new and I'm not supposed
to laugh come on, come on now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
To me, I hated this intro just for both teams,
Like I understand, it's what the crowd loves and what
the Dudley's are getting mega heat. So they take their
time and have Joel Gertner, you know, interviews everybody. Then
you have Sam Man and Tommy Dreamer swigging beer and

(01:23:00):
slamming candl there. I guess Spike Dudley was too, but
Sandman's already busted well wide open, you know, like okay,
like I get it, But it was like twenty minutes
of this quest.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
I mean it was you're doing a Sandman match though,
that's part of the deal, Bro, He's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Take after the whole Dudley. The Dudley's take like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
That's also their deal too. They got to get the
heat and had Joe Gertner spit a rap of some sort,
and then Bubba and insult people and with a Southern accent,
which is still I just I will never get used
to that. I don't care how many ECW shows I watch.
It's still jarring to hear him go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
My name is Bubba Ray Dudley.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Like, no, I can't do it, bro, It's not even Bubba.
It's not even Bubba's us stuttering.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
That's crazy with the stars and not star. Yeah, stars
and bars on his head too, with the Confederate flag. Yeah,
they supposed to be from the South, but they're both
from New York. But they're from the South today they're
from the South. But yeah, this match is just.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
By the way, fine. Big Dick Dudley hilariously small. You
notice that, like he climbed over the top rope, but
his feet never touched the apron. He floated over the
top rope. He's the same height as like everyone else
of the match. He's smaller than Sandman, same night as

(01:24:25):
Tommy Dreamer, smaller than Bubba. He's like just slightly taller
than Spike Dudley. So I remember thinking like, oh, this
guy's huge because of the way they present him, but
you see him in the ring with everybody else, it's
like he's just a normal guy. So like call it
a big Dick Dudley is like just funny. And him
going over the top rope as not the tallest person

(01:24:49):
in the match, and his feet never touching the floor
as he's doing it, it just made me laugh. I
was like, no, big Dick Dudley.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Okay, this was just for plunder, Like Dusty would.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Say, Oh my god, I can't call him small Dick Dudley.
He's big Dick Dudley.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Of course, of course. Uh yeah, but this was a match.
They had weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Uh. Jack Victory came out hit somebody with a guitar like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
He was Jeff Jarrett. This is my favorite part.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Yeah, but let's we wind a little bit because earlier
in the show's reason why Jack Victory is here is
because he was supposed to have a weapons match against
New Jack, right, and New Jack is outside cutting the promo, right,
and he talking to the foot business, mine in his business,
mine in his business, like, yeah, I'm gonna get Jack Victory.
I'm gonna mess him up. I'm gonna beat him up,

(01:25:44):
bat talking all this stuff. You know what I'm saying,
get you know, talking his stuff. People are like, yeah,
get him new Jack. And then Jack Victory pulls up
and New Jacket like, yo, we can do this right now,
Like we don't have to wait, we could do this
right now. And then the Dudley boys come out of
nowhere and it's a dam to pull up and then
beat their brakes off. New Jack right then and there,

(01:26:05):
and it's somehow balts Mahoney and Axel Roden are also
in the vicinity and they come and help New.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Jack, but New Jacket is all tore up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
They got to him to the chair, they got to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Him too late. They ain't swinging up chairs. There was
no chairs nearby. I guess because they knew Jack was
toe up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
And it said, look, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
He's gonna get New Jack when New Jack's gonna get
Jack victory the way that he got got in that night.
So but because of this beating, New Jack is out
him and Jack victory. The match is off and Joey
Styles has to announce and he's sad about it. But yeah,
so I guess after this beatdown, New Jack went to
the hospital and eventually got out the hospital and changed

(01:26:45):
into his fight gear. He had like a white T
shirt like normal civilian clothes on white T shirt, maybe
some George because it is ninety eight. You know, he
was wearing George for fashion back then, you know. But
he switching to his fight gear, which is like a
cut up shirt, the bandana, and now he's ready for war, okay,
And he comes out with his peacock theme Okay, not
the actual song, but this peacock song, which is just

(01:27:08):
generic rap song number five that they have in their
collection in their library. And here he comes with a
shopping cart, okay, full of weapons. He throws them all
into the wing, all into the ring, and even throws
a shopping cart into the ring. Everything is thrown into
the ring. He's hitting people with all sorts of weapons
and looks like he's having a great time doing it.

(01:27:28):
Like new Jack looked like he was in his happy place. Okay,
he looked so happy he'd be swinging that golf club around.
He tossed the shopping cart at Big Dick Dudley. Dudley
takes a big bump over the top rope. Used used
the golf club on Jack victory. And the worst part
about it was that we can't hear his actual music.
But then we get the baby faces on the top

(01:27:51):
of the ladders at the end of the show and
that's how we go off the air.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
But there's still my worst match of the night, even
with new Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yo. Yeah, just play the real song in the background
while you know, if you watch the show back, just
put that on mute.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Legit man, play that every single time nu Jack came out,
And this is like the creative I loved it with
Paul Hayman. Every time du Jack came out, he would
bring the shopping card out. This theme would just continue
playing like for for like ten minutes as new Jack
was whooping ass like I loved it. So obviously just

(01:28:31):
imagine that is the case on Peacock since they edited out.
But I love I love when the just the crowd,
when the crowd pops, when du Jack comes out, like
it was every show. It was great. The original gangster
man like Mustafa went, you know, not greener pastures. I

(01:28:52):
don't know, I don't remember what happened to him, but
I remember like Nu Jack and Mustafa like that the
gangsters man Like I loved watching them in ECW. So
I still had I had like a soft spot for
new Jack all those years later. I was like, I
loved it, and I loved when he would come out
just the crowd going nuts and then doing the X

(01:29:12):
and everything, and I just it was great. I loved
that part of ECW back then. So having him come
out like kill everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
I mean the song was called natural Born Killers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Uh yeah, having him destroy everyone and have Spike like
him posted with Sam Man and Topy Dreamers, Spike like
just marching aroundund like like this maybe laugh. I like
that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Yeah, that was a moment. It was a fun moment
from new Jack. On the rest of the match was
like it's fine. But from when new Jack came out,
you know it, it became lit right, the mood and
the building changed for sure. And like I said, new
Jack was just in his element. He would hit somebody
with something like do a little dance actor.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Like yeah, I yeah, like that. I love that too,
Like he.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Was so happy, Yeah, big smile on his face.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
As like people are bleeding in front of him him
and people are egging him on.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Yeah, I do that. He's got the golf club, he's
like swinging. I like this golf club with the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
You can bring humor to such violence.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
New Jack Jack Man, the guy man, he's the guy,
one of a kind, Like he's so like I think
of E c W. Obviously Sab Tommy, Dreamer, Raven and
New Jack or like Sam Man's kind of there, but
that's like my mount rushmore of like e c W.
When I started watching.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Yeah, yeah, he has to be up there, man A
lot of people on the show got passed on unfortunately,
so it sucks. And see, but that New Jack one
of a kind for sure. Uh, you we are went
through your worst match of the night. So let's do
the top non wrestling happening. I guess we already talked
about it, but it was the the brawl before the

(01:31:09):
show between New Jack and Jack VIC three and those guys. Uh,
so we just kind of talked about it already. But
that was my top non wrestling happening I had related Yeah, okay,
well I have an honorable mention in that it was
rv D crapping on Sabo doing the promo.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Was kind of funny at the same it was pretty
funny at the same So my top non wrestling happening
was Joey Styles just being disgusted by the Dudleys all
over the top. He was with it with his hate
but it was very entertaining and uh, just say, Shane
Douglas bla all right, like yeah, he like felt uncomfortable
at Joey Styles eight of the Dudleys, which was pretty

(01:31:48):
funny to me. Rv D is Saboo's promo. Also honorable
mention mainly, uh for me, I put rv D sneeze
in Hakushi twice.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Toward the promo, but him the racism him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
And well, no, I see, I guess, yeah, well because
it's like everyone knows you're Hukushi from w w.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
F, Like, oh, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
That honest, that's what I was taken from because he
would make that makes sense people from like other companies
and stuff all the time. But you know, like that's
how I viewed it, But I could see if somebody
else viewed it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I didn't. Honestly, I forgot that he wasn't he used
that was his w w F name. I just thought
he'd be a racist, But I get you now, I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Understand like him and Saboo just being at oz for
like it was so funny to me, like week after
week two, it's like RVD just stealing the spotlight or
in the spotlight's Sabo wanted that spotlight, but RVD just
want to give it to him and just maybe laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Yeah, so good stuff there. What was your worst non
wrestling happening from this name?

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Joey's styles also part of this. He had a really
bad line and uh the Jerry Lynn just incredible batch.
Oh man, I guess it is, uh wrestling, I guess
it's not non wrestling, so but it's it's just a sentence,
so that's why I put it here. But uh, Jerry

(01:33:20):
Lynn had tombstone chastity and Joey styles equipped. I don't
condone violence against women, but she's been asking for it
all summer long. That's crazy, like Joey.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
He's also not very nice in Nicole Bass as well,
especially even after the low blow from Jerry Lynn.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Uh yeah, no, didn't age well. Obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
This is the attitude that people loved back then. And
you know, as a kid as a teen watching it,
like I'm not going around doing this to women. But
like it's like, haha, that's funny. It's like she had
definitely would would not view view it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
She had it coming, so it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Exactly, Like it's like you're planning that seed for you know,
not everybody watching this is suspending disbelief of you know,
real life. You know people fortunately taking their own hands.
Oh I saw it on wrestling, so it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Still real to me. Damn it. Some people that was
that guy was real. He was legit saying his real feelings.
He wasn't joking. That guy was crying his real tears
of I don't know, emotion, just emotion. He just loved
wrestling that much. He sat in the basketball gym and
who knows where and cried in front of Terry Funk.

(01:34:35):
And I think Bobby Eaton wasn't like, take it easy, man.
So yeah, that's the type of people we're talking about here.
My worstne wrestling happening was the spot in This Sunny
and the Chris Candida Lance Dorm match when they tried
to tear Sonny's dress off.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
That was brutal. Another thing that you know, why what
do you getting from that? Even if she's okay with it,
what does that do?

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Yeah, didn't add anything. It's just like, we got this
good wrestling match, but we need something. It needs boobs.
That's what we need. At least a tease, a tease
of boobs. We're not even gonna actually give you full,
but just a tease. I don't need any of it.
Us just wanted to watch a good match. Wanted to
watch Lance Storm and Chris Candido former members of the Triple.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Threat, which is a head and Jamba line.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Oh okay, that she didn't need that though need the
ending didn't need that. But since you're talking about it,
let's go to the hitting gyms.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Like the ref why would he grab her like that
to begin.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
With makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
It's literally reached in the middle of her chest and
like to like pulled it away like like I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Was holding it for seconds before waiting for the spot
to tug at it, Like, yeah, I don't get it
once what even if you were, even if that spot
didn't happen, like you would never grab her like that anyway, right,
So like didn't feel nack when you do that? It
was like, oh god, what's coming next? Oh God, I
know I could. You could see what's coming next, and

(01:36:06):
it's I was like ecw Like can't help themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Nope, No, somebody gotta take their clones off. At some point,
somebody gotta take their clothes off. So that's what they
tried to do. They tease it a little bit. But again,
talk more about your hitting gym. Chris Candido versus Lance.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Chris Candido was a legend. I just I loved how
he sold uh just in somebody matches like and it
wasn't like a goofy like shaw Michael's hal Cogan Summer seven,
two thousand and five. Cell. It was like he would
do a move and then like sell doing it like
it would exhaust him or something like. I just remember

(01:36:44):
WWF he did like a top rope hearrent Kmato and
stood up, put his arm in the air and then
just face planted stuff like that. I love Chris Candido, man,
like he's great. I miss him. He was so fantastic
at ECW. I thought he was undappreciated as Skip in WWF,
but Ecwchris Candido is like one of my favorite characters

(01:37:07):
and great wrestler and just having like I thought it
was funny. Everyone was like, oh crazy, Oh my god,
it's sunny. It's like, dude, she was just on ECW
pay per view like a few months ago. Like, why
are you reacting like it's such a big surprise. Well
it was because she was released by WWF shortly before this.
So but again, like she appeared I don't remember if

(01:37:31):
she appeared at Wrestle Pluza, but she appeared at Living
Dangerously in March earlier this year as Lance Storm's tag
team partner. Like it wasn't like she is some coup
that Sonny's on the show. I didn't understand, uh, the surprise,
like why they sold it as it was so surprising,
but ECW for you in a nutshell sometimes and but yeah,

(01:37:54):
that was Uh, Lance Storm at Chris Candido is like
the triple threat explodes, and it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
It was I thoroughly enjoyed the match, but it wasn't
my hidden gym I went with. I believe it was
the opener Jerry Lynn versus just incredible as my hidden gym.
I feel like you look talk about Jerry Lynn matches
in East w specifically talk about Rob van dam Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
I feel like people know, you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Put Lance Storm and Chris Candido in the ring, probably
gonna be a good match.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
It's probably gonna deliver the goods. But Jerry Lynn and
just incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Huh. Okay, see what happens here and what happened with
I thought was a really good match. The problem is
it's got just incredible because I don't know if you've heard,
but he's been accused of some things lately, specifically of
scamming people. Okay and no showing events. Excuse me, but
he's like defending himself in some respects. You know, he

(01:38:51):
defended himself, and like you know, Maven has a YouTube
channel now, so Maven talked to him on YouTube and
said he would do like a he would sell some merch,
get the money from the sale, and then spended on food.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
According to him, he was spinning on food for his
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Peoples, and by the time he had to send the merch,
he didn't have the money anymore, which is like, okay,
that you shouldn't see selling merched in, I guess. But
in the same video, Maven said that he's heard the
same thing from a quote unquote credible source, no pun intending.
So apparently there's a lot of people who've accused him
of scamming and no showing events. But the match itself

(01:39:31):
is great, damn just a damn good wrestling match. There
was some weapons used, but not nearly to the level
that they were using the other matches. Jary Lind did
a really cool her kanana to just Incredible outside of
the ring through a table. Joey Styles again was not
nice in the cold bass like I said before, but

(01:39:53):
at the end, I'm just reading off through my random
notes by the way, but the end comes where just
Incredible hits his that's incredible from the top rope, which
was a wild finish. But yeah, I thought this was
matches for an opener without a ton of weapons, a
lot of interference.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
But I thought it was a good match.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
I agree. I agree. I like to Got Blood shirt
because hey, back back then, Got Milk was pretty bit,
pretty big, so it was Yeah, it Got Blood was
pretty cool. I was like, oh, ECW, man, they're so edgy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
I love it, cutting cutting edge man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Uh Man, that was great. I did the way Joe
I remember when so I didn't watch ECW when Jason
was wrestling too much and he didn't wrestle that much
during this time, and I remember him coming like re
debuting as Justin Credible's manager, and Joey styles like being
so like you think he was disgusted by the Dudley Boys,

(01:40:53):
said I on on heat Wave. I should say, uh,
he was super disgusted by Jason, So I don't know
what happened. I didn't watch watch ECW like ninety four
ninety five, but yeah, he hated Jason with a passion.
So but I thought Jason just incredible, Chastity and Nicole
Bass were a pretty cool faction. Just I agree, it

(01:41:15):
was good. It was good for ECW. And I used
to think when they would announced Justin Credible, I was like,
that's a stupid name because I thought it was jus
t like just and then Incredible was his last name,
like not Justin and then Credible. So I was like, wow,
that that that's a really bad name. And then I

(01:41:37):
remember seeing the Camiron and I was like, oh, Justin Credible, Ah,
that's clever. I like it, Like wow, I was so impressed,
you know what, twelve thirteen years old of the I
was like, oh my god, that's genius.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
It's better than Alda Montoya.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
That's true. That's true man o' war, Like what is that?
All these all these monikers, and yet just Incredible was
like simple to the point and pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
He had a finish call. That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Yeah, pretty good. Was it the too soon off the
middle rope for you know that? That was great? That
was great.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
That was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
And Jerry Lynn being like mister j L and w
c Oh my god, like god, they're the same person.
That's so.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Wasn't he he was in the ring when he got
a bicycle happened? Right? Was he? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Man, I don't remember I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
Feel like, yeah, I remember Dusty Rose talking about JL
here in a heap of trouble or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
You know, I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
And then he just the next.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
Thing he saw was a bicycle, and he's got a
bicycle and he lost it. But I feel like he's
talking about Big Bubba. It was a big Bubba and JA.
I think it Big Bubba and JL in that match.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
But you know, I have the whole I have the
whole clip actually right here. So we's six. I labeled
it six point two, like the hell that my organization
skills are weird.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
So and I said earlier in the program here on
the mother ship, it ain't got a mind tickle.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
He who are we riding a thing on this arena?
I don't know where if that come from. He's killing
I'm saying, I love my train of dog that said
ain't no, But I kind of understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
I'm speaking of the gibbers.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Bummer went over and got him my bicycle.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
I don't know what the kid is that was a
riding it, but he ain't knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
It when it brought it to the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
And now he's up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
He's just stunning the stock of mud.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Holding over Jail in Old Jail. See I knew it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
That's great. I'm glad I was able to clip that
whole thing. I didn't realize how long it was because.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
A mudhole on Old Jail. I I lost my train
of thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
That was Jerry Lynn's greatest moment.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Oh I don't know where the kid that was. That
was that was, but it wasn't knowing it when he
brought it to the ring. Class is the stopping the
mother hole and Old JL.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
So yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Just Jerry Lynz claim the fan. He's in the ring
with Big Bubby. I got a bicycle and start going
to work on Old JL. That was man, that's a classic.
That's good stuff right there. Let's move on to some
random thoughts. I've got some thoughts off top, and that's
with the music that's on this show. Because e CW.
You know, they just didn't care. They would just use

(01:44:26):
license music, and over the years that became very expensive,
so expensive that peacock is like, we ain't using that,
we ain't paying for them songs, So they just dub
over it with the worst music that could possibly find.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Some of the music sounds like legit.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
I legit thought I heard a song from SmackDown to
the video game where they didn't have They didn't have
commentary in game, like when you're wrestling, so you just
have some like random music playing in the background. I
swear I heard that song on Peacock for one of
these entrances or something like that. I just some of
the songs, though. The funny thing is that you can

(01:45:04):
try to make out what they're trying to replicate in
some ways, like in how they try to replicate smells
like teen Spirit for DDP yeah, uh, you know something
they try to double over with something similar. But RBD
song Walk by Panterra did not sound like Walk by
ben Terra. You can see the fans chanting the song

(01:45:26):
they gonna read spect walk and but the songs they're
playing with Peacock that song live.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
But this is the only reason I know those songs
because the ECW which is really.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
One hundred percent respect But Walk is dope, like when
you chanting a bunch of people read yeah, spec is dope.
But the song that they use on Peacock sounds nothing like,
not even close. Doesn't match the cadence at all. Maybe
it's a unique song it's just like, we ain't got
nothing to match that, so uh, they went with whatever
they went with. Speaking of Pantera, though, did you know
that they're actually gonna be at Linkold Financial Field on

(01:46:03):
May twenty fifth, a week from today. Wow, they're opening
for Metallica.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Metallica is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Yeah, I know, I knew Metallica was coming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Well, Panter is also on the on the bill, So
you're gonna hear walk blaring out of the speakers at
like the Financial Field in a week or so.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
I won't be there, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Know that either.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
I'll just with the RVD thumbs in my right apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
I'll chant the song, you know, on my own, on
my own, on my own leisure. But like, let's go
to Chris Candido. He had a song that sounded like
one ac DC song, but it's actually another ac DC song.
I initially thought there was supposed to be replicating Highway
to Hell, which would have been odd to use it
during the Highway to Hell time and w W yeah, exactly,

(01:46:47):
that's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Tough, Chris. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
But it was actually Back in Black, which I was like,
oh it did, but it didn't sound like Back and Black.
It sounded like Highway to Hell for something. Uh, but
maybe I'm stripping. Uh maybe maybe I don't know about
a C d C. But that song is also dope,
you know, back and black. But we got Tazz his

(01:47:13):
music though original cut dope. His music was fire. I
don't nobody to say, oh man, and he has to
survive if I let you at the beginning. Oh, that
was tough, all right, that was hard. Tommy Dreamer, he
had Man in a Box by Alison Chains. They tried

(01:47:35):
some sort of fac similar close to that for his music.
W W actually like created a song that sounded really
close to not really close, but it was in the
same vein of a Man in the Box.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
But yeah, the music though very hit or miss.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
We just talked about the new Jack song, which was
just like random sounds happening in the background and cop
like police sirens, and the music too is It was
a lot going on. Joey Styles you mentioned Lennie said
about Chastity earlier, like she had to come in. But
he also had jokes, and his jokes were either bad

(01:48:11):
or didn't age well, like the one about Nicole Bass.
He said, you can call her Russia because she's so
much larger than China. Look, that's not funny nor clever.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
And I was mad because it was a dig at
w W.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
And it wasn't even a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
China was sitting there like, Okay, Joey, you're not bigger
than either one of us. Then he said of Chastity,
says she had because her hair is a little, you know,
messed up. She had one hand in the dryer, one
hand in the hair dryer, the other one in the
other Wait, I gotta read this way because it sounds

(01:48:46):
weird just to read it. One hand in the hair
dryer and one foot in the bathtub. Okay, okay, joe okay, Joey.
Uh yeah, bad jokes didn't age well. Shane Douglass at
one point said that the building was scorching. Yeah, and
he probably wasn't lying, definitely. Who knows that that building

(01:49:11):
that they were in had a functioning air conditioner in
nineteen ninety eight, then, Yeah, public buildings were not full
of air conditioning.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Dude. I went to high school in two thousand and
I graduated three and we still didn't have every room
of air condition I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
I'm sure just high school to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
I mean that's the reason why Jalen Hurts is yea
conditioners crazy, giving away air conditioners to high schools in
the city because the schools were literally if it gets
too hot, like might be coming up soon, temperatures get
above ninety, the schools have to close because it's too hot.
The kids aren't safe in school. Think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
That's pretty if you tried to tell me Jalen Hurts
isn't a top one hundred influential person in the world.
Get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Giving away free air conditioners these kids. So these chairmen
out here in the Philadelphia public school.

Speaker 3 (01:49:57):
System, they need it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
But uh yeah, probably also in Dayton back in ninety eight,
probably smelled bad. Yeah, probably funking. And then August August second,
it's called heat wave.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
It's hot, you sew crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Ooh, I don't think old spice is in abundance in there.
Ooh boy, Yeah, I can only imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Probably smelled better at the another center in ninety three,
at King of the Ring in Dateton, Ohio. It's just
my kid.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Probably probably the probably air conditioning in it too.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
That's the first when I first heard of Date, Ohio
was King of the Ring ninety three. So every time
I hear dateton Ohio, I think a King of the
Ring ninety three at the Nutter Center is Jim ross
Man just that that voice and like we're at the
Donder Center ring, Like it's that high pitched Jim Ross
that we're not used to much in the definitely not

(01:50:56):
ninety eight Jim Ross.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
No, no, no, no, not a center. Uh my last note, Oh,
I got two more notes. One is that Taz hit
them with like a three letters one name and it
sounded like what jay Us is doing now? And he
says four letters one word, like jas stealing from Taz.
What's happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Got to call him out?

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Come on, jay Us, so take my catchphrase and pretending
to choke.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Them out something like that. That'd be great. Tas comes
out in the towel on his head, the raging towel, right,
that'd be bad ass, that'd be crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Yeah, and play the old ec W music.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
And also by first reaction to one tast said three letters,
I was like, well it's four when he gets the
w W they.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Did at a Z for some reason, I mean maybe
copyright the TA maybe in devil yeah, copyright yeah, you
know a thing you don't want to mess with Is
that Disney? Was that Looney Tunes? I guess that's another
company either way, it's Warner Brothers, Warner Brothers. Either way,
you don't want to mess with them. At a Z.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
Taz Now, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Like what why not? You could call him Taz. Just
don't ever put it on TV. Just don't ever put
the cairn on. Just spell it out, Just say Taz.
You know, if you don't spell it out, it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
I can just you can put an accent mark over
the edge.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Why not just t A S and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Just I like TAS better. Sounds like a model.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Oh, Tas. He's hot right now.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
It's so hot right now, Tas.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
If you can.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Survive, if allow allow it's because I'm Tas, I might
I may allow you to survive. Tas.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
He just turns and.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Looks at the camera like Joe Henry, because like a
model Tas. That's missed up. Tunity there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
You ask me, f t W Bell is for the world.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Put an E on it is funny for the world. Uh,
And then you put an E on it and make
them a something like that. You know, now he's avan God,
you know we.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Could just put an X on the end and repackage
him as an I. R. S type character. Tax crazy
write the censor version.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Oh, I got suspenders on and a tie. I ain't know.
I ain't no more tax you got to you got
to pay me.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Don't think of a clever thing to say for the taxes.
I can't think of it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
I'm gonna come up with it, and saying in the
next episode of the straight shoot is remember that take
I was thinking about. I had a whole week.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
I know exactly what you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Yep, i'mna ruminate on it. Don't work. My last My
last note though, is that Bill Alfonso the whistle a lot,
and I was like, man, we can get a collab
with him, Gilly and too Short?

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Why not you know, blow the whistle. You got Bill
Offonso blowing the whistle.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
He can do it. I feel like that should be
an ending on Bosa MANI at some point, So get
to work, Matthew. The Eagles are the Super Bowl champs.
They're the best team in the world. You know it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
They deserve it. The people deserve it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Okay, we deserve the Bill Alfonso, Gilly too Short mash
up collab let's do it, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
I used to hate the whistle because I was like,
I need to mute the TV because I didn't want
anyone to get bad around me, like in my house,
because not that I had my TV O LOWD. But
the whistle was just so annoying. I mean, yeah, even
through the TV, even when your volume isn't crazy loud.
It's like, it's why is that necessary? If I was

(01:54:52):
in the crowd, I would have been pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Well, I mean, I guess at times he was a villain, right,
so you had the reason to be pissed at him.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
He gave you another reason.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
I'd rather Jimmy Hart and have a megaphone than the
also have a whistle. Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
It is a piercing sound that could especially indoors. Yes,
it can be annoying if you're outside. Maybe you know
the sound travels up. You know, you get some mecho
but like indoors, you can't escape it. But I guess
as a fan, you also wanted to see him get
beat up and have that whistle shove down his throat,
I guess, or whatever thrown away even but I guess

(01:55:29):
that was part of the package. But that's all the
notes I had from heat Wave ninety eight?

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
What are yours?

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
So we kind of hit all my random notes throughout
the show, but I'll go back over. I used to
get so mad when the ECW would trash WWF in
their own ways, you know, whether it's Taz, you know,
taking a shot at Austin in his promo or Joey
Styles taking a shot at anyone. WWF. I had got
the internet and earlier in nineteen ninety eight, so it

(01:55:55):
was pretty clear that WWF was helping out ECW, and
I just remember thinking like, oh, ECW, Like it's fine
for them to you know, bash WCW, but WWF's helping them. Man,
why do they bash a WWF. I I didn't get it,
you know, like I didn't understand why they would do that,
because it kind of baby like. I liked seeing WWF

(01:56:17):
guys go to ECW every down, Like I like seeing
Jerry Lawler at ECW because it was like WHOA, Like
Jerry Lawler's at ECW, he's with RVD and Saboo and
like al Stowe at ECW. Technically I think he was
still under WWF contract, but he still want the ECW,
and he was like getting over with that character with

(01:56:38):
head and everything, and then he just came right back
to WWF and Midnight in June ninety eight and again
having a storyline involving Jerry Lawler and Brian Christopher. But
I just remember thinking like, oh my god, like pretty
soon WWF's gonna get so mad that they're gonna stop
working with ECW.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
And plus I was like, oh my god, like if
RVD leaves ECW, like he might go to WCW. I
wanted him to go to w WF, you know. But
it was just one of those things where I was
like obsessed with If ECW ever said anything bad about WWF,
I would get like upset. I was like twelve thirteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Old, like why why.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Did I watch? Why did I? Yeah, I don't know,
but I remember just being like, oh no. So when
they would show like some highlights on their TV, like
the weekly TVs and their pay per views, they wouldn't
show like too much video, but more like the stills
like that were commonplace back then, you know, just Taz

(01:57:42):
taking shots at Austin, I was like, what the hell, man,
Like you both are the same type of badasses, what
what the hell? Like your work together man, take down WCW.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Well, I guess, and you know, for the public, Yeah,
you don't want people to know if one they didn't
people that wasn't whilely known that WWF was supporting ECW
financially too. If you're ECW, you're the renegade promotion, you're
the outlaw. So you got to you got to have beef,
at least in the public eye. You got to have
beef with everybody. You can't say all that stuff about
ws W and then leave WWF outright. No, you got

(01:58:13):
to have beef with them too. If anything, you got
to have more people with them. They're the big dogs.
By ninety eight, they're the bigger dog, right, I guess
in the summer ninety eight time, they're turning into the
bigger dog. Let's just say that, right, And they've obviously
they're more established brand as far as like longevity, you know,
talking about WWF the worldwide leader in the sports entertainment
for fifty years like that was, that's true. And then
at the eighties and the nineties, you know, early the

(01:58:34):
eighties boom and whatnot. So WWF is a more established property,
so you would think they would have the bigger target,
so you still got to shoot at them, even though
you know you're they're helping you out right, but you
gotta keep up appearances. You know it can't go soft
on WWF, but like give you know, give your best
material to WSW.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
So I see what you're saying now, because it's.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Like, oh, they don't they gonna cut you off? Keep talking.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
But like, for one, like why did I care about
that at that age? Why child WCW still was like
there though they weren't like Barride yet they were like
Goldberg and Hogan. I think Niker won the ratings that week,
so they were still like it was just still like
a week to week battle. It wasn't WWF completely owning

(01:59:22):
the ratings were And again why did I care about that? Oh?
I just got the Internet and I was on Bester's
boards talking shit, so that was and I had grown
up watching WWF, so clearly, like I started seeing the
differing opinions, I was like, wait, why doesn't everyone loved WWF?
What am I missing here? And it's just funny looking

(01:59:42):
back to this time period, and remember I remember thinking
like I didn't watch Heat Wave ninety eight, but I
would see like the posts on Bester's Sports be like, oh,
this is the greatest ECW event ever, and I was like,
oh no, I missed it. And obviously I couldn't get
like the replay or anything like that, because if I
I'd never ordered the replay of anything, I didn't even
ask my parents. If I didn't see it live, then

(02:00:05):
that was it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
It's like, really, it's over.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
I think I don't even remember a show where I
could have asked to see a replay. But I just
remember thinking, you know, I don't. I didn't want ECW
to not necessarily go under, but like I guess lose
out to the WWF machine because they Tim Ross would
like talk about ECW pay per views on TV, you know,

(02:00:31):
like pretty sure he mentioned he weighed ninety eight on
RAW at some point, so I remember thinking like, oh, no,
you're gonna get rid of that. You're gonna make WWF
just not want to mention you, and that's not going
to help you. So but yeah, I mean that was
I mentioned Big Dick Dudley. He's really only taller than Spike,

(02:00:51):
so that that just made me laugh, like how they
portrayed him. I was like, he's not really that big
at all, But I guess it was you know, now
what Paul Hayman did or whatever. But yeah, that's really
all I got.

Speaker 1 (02:01:08):
All right, And I mean those measures boards weren't lying
though when they said that this is one of the
best ECW pay per.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
Views ever and to this day and even beyond.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
I think when you look back at the top five,
you know ECW pay per views, this has to be
In a conversation, it might be one. Man, I'm trying
to think, like there have been pay per views where
there's been great matches, but like they're like kind of
spread out where this is a car that has like
three or four matches. That's like, man, that was dope.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
I still think barely legals, Like right up there, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
Like that's the first one, right, that's ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
Yeah, I mean I had to watch it. Saboo uh
the Three Way Dance and then Terry Funk versus Raven
for the ECW title and Terry wins. Like a lot
of good, good feelings on that show that still stick
with me. The old ECW Arena, maybe the under card
was maybe the under card was like terrible, Like I
don't I mean, we went over with the Blue Media

(02:02:03):
a couple of years ago, but this well more than that.
It's been six years now, so I haven't seen the show,
and that amount of time I might have to go
rewatch it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Man, it's been that long.

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
Yeah, twenty nineteen April twenty nineteen, we had our barely
legal conversation with this is like before our deep dives.
So it technically was a deep dive though, because you
went through you know, the build up to it and
then the card and everything right right.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Right, Well, go check that out in the archives if
you have time to check us out again.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
But for this episode, let's wrap it up with some
plugs please.

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The scheduled out and stuff like that. Iron Claw Suburban
Commando are two that are on the list right now.
So again, if you want to see those sooner or
you know, whenever. Hit us up Patreon dot com Slash
Shooters Radio. But until next time for Nick Bocone, I
am Vaughn Johnson. Thanks for listening to episode four twenty

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nine of The Straight Shooters and we'll catch you all
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