433: WCW Great American Bash 2000 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What is up everyone out there on the internet land,
and welcome to episode four thirty three of the Straight
Shooters available wherever podcasts are found. My name is Vaughan
Johnson and I'm joined as always by my main man
Pots and Pans, think of Acona Fox PHL, a gambler
and fully influencer, and we have yet another fantastic show
ahead of us here on episode four thirty three. It

(00:36):
is a deep dive. We're diving deep and probably into
probably the worst show we've ever covered on this here podcast.
And we've covered some terrible ones from all promotions WWFWSW,
but this is high on the list, is among the worst.
We're diving deep, for some reason into the Great American

(00:57):
Bash from two thousand, the final Great Bash under the
WCW banner, and we're gonna talk all about it a
little bit later on. But before we get into anything else,
I gotta do my weekly check on my main man,
Pots and Pans. Nick. How are you in this muggy
Friday evening or Friday at the noon? Not? You say,
my good.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Brother, Let's go Oilers, Let's go Pacers. Oh man, I'm
into it? Are you into it?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I didn't know you had your you had rooting interests,
specific rooting interests.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And it's not even betting, it's just stuff I want
to see. I just want to see the Pacers who
beat the Knicks when it's title, because I'd be very,
very funny. And I want to see the Oilers come
out on top because the Panthers won last year. So
I want some different stuff happening. And listen, right now,
Pacers have a two to one serious lead. Oilers tied

(01:48):
it up. They could very well have a three to
one serious lead right now, but it's tied to to
after they won it overtime last night, Game four. So yeah, man,
like these finals, NBA finals, Stanley Cup Final has been
highly entertaining for me.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Exciting stuff, exciting stuff. I'm here watching CFO football. It's
we're in the week two of the CFL season, so
you know I'm mat with that, you know, that's what
I'm on. Obviously, been watching the Stanley Cup Final final
singular in the NBA finals.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Plural, there we go.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't know why that's the case. I think it's
a Canadian thing because also in the CFL they don't
call it the East Finals. You know, it's one game,
so I guess you call it the East Final the
West Final, but in hockey it's at least four so
finals still works. Whatever. But those are going on right now.
The Phillies, they are, they're in them, They're they're you know,

(02:39):
they're doing their thing.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
But one a series against the good team, and I
say good meaning the team that's above five hundred. Yes,
for the first time after they beat the Cubs two
out of three this week since May ninth and eleventh,
when they beat the Guardians in a series. So it's
been a while.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's been a while, and they had those back to
back series with the Is in the A's that definitely helped,
you know, that always helps me play the two worst
teams in baseball for a week straight. So but yeah,
they're there. But we got some current day nonsense to
talk about. In the world of pro wrestling, last week
left you Our Truth was released from WW abruptly, and

(03:22):
everybody hated it. All the fans hated it, all, the
wrestlers hated it. Everyone hated it. Well, apparently, within like
a week, WW heard this, and I don't know how
much they heard from the fans or how much they've
heard from the wrestlers as far as what weighed more
in their minds. But regardless, the man formerly known as

(03:46):
Our Truth now known as Ron Killings again. What you
know about Ron Killings from back in TNA, But Ron
Killings is back in WWE. We don't know the details
of the deal as far as how long it is,
how much he's paid, or anything like that, but he
is back. He made a surprise return that money in
the bank, and everybody was like, oh my god, is

(04:06):
our Truth He's back. They listened at first, people were like, well,
it's work and they got us the whole time, and
it was like, well no, because Carlo ain't back and
some of those other people got released. They're not coming back.
But Our Truth is back or Ron Killings is back, right,
So he's backs.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Aren't chanting we want Carlito random matches?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't think so. But he is back in WWE
for how long? We don't know. Here's what we here's
what's been reported, and that he is not Our Truth anymore.
He is Ron Killings. That was before raw even happened.
We knew that and apparently ww had you know, kind
of reached out to him, but he was ignoring them
until Nick con stepped in and that this is going

(04:47):
to be the last serious run from Ron Killings because
obviously he's been Our Truth for a long time and
it's been nothing but hardy laughs. But he's like, I
need to shed that and do my thing, keep it
re this time for his last run. Uh and yeah.
Then we go to Monday when he gets the microphone

(05:08):
in his hands and he cuts this impassioned promo which
I thought was epic, his promo Our Truth man, when
he's on don't sleep on Ron Killings.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
When he's on okay, the only person to like stop
the what chance or like mid promo, I don't know, man,
but he said I wish you would, and they stopped.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
And they stopped because I mean, when listen, look here,
when the black person tells you I wish you would,
that is a threat. That is not a a request
to do something. That is a threat. I wish you would.
That means you better not okay, that is yeah. So
when you hear that, you see our Truth like I
wish you would. And he's like, okay, never mind, what now,
I ain't I ain't even say nothing.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
We're good.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
But then to show like this is a new serious
version of Ron Killings. He goes the extra mile. Remember
the last time he did a big promo, he lit
a cigarette in the arena and everybody's like, whoa is
a cigarette coming back? No? Instead, he cuts off his
dreadlocks right in front of everybody, and everybody's like, because

(06:11):
my god, on his own accord, no brutus to Barbara
beef Cake needed, no ricochet, no none of that. We
got our truth. Ron Killings cutting his own hair, holding
it up and said, the truth has set me free,
and it's on. Now what we're gonna get? But Ron
Killings is back and everybody's happy. Right, you're happy, Nick

(06:34):
I am? Talk about it, talk about your happiness.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I mean, like I agree, like one last serious run.
I'm sure a lot of talent wants that, but they
don't always get it, especially as a comedy character. I mean,
Santino wouldn't get probably a run like this. Maybe I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
No, no why, I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Who was Nick CON's mouth. You know, whatever Nick Coon wants,
Nick Con gets, I guess.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
But saying what he wants, you don want Santino.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm telling you, Yeah, that's true, because there would he'd
be there if he if he wanted them right that?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
And who who wants to see Sentino come back? Actually?
But go ahead?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm sorry, and no, I was just you know, at first,
I'm thinking, oh, right, like I'm into I want to
see like a different art truth. I love the comedy stuff,
but I also like serious wrestling characters too. I mean,
that's what keeps you entertained when you're watching wrestling. Not
everything has to be some type of like circus acts.
Like there are serious things in every single point of

(07:38):
wrestling in its history, you know, like I just wanted
to see. I mean, we we kind of saw a
serious art ruth back in twenty eleven with the Maze
after you know, and they attacked was a cumpunk Alberto
de Rio, John Cena, and and.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I that after that, he look at this was that
before that? They asked when he turned on John Morrison.
So I'm mistaken. I'm up, my bad.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't even remember that, but I do remember that,
you know, the whole roster coming out, trying to get
into this cell, Triple H trying to get in Triple
H's freaking out. Just like that's kind of like what
I want to see, you know, I wanted to see that.
That's what I was hoping this scene of thing would
turn into. And then last week we got We're well,

(08:26):
I guess two weeks ago we got word that you know,
Our Truth had his big like last hurrah, and then
he's out. I'm like, really, like, that's it, like I
And in a way, I almost convinced myself because it's like,
all right, well, you know, they gave a moral title
match on a Saturday night's main event, which against John Cena,
and I guess that was it. And I think a

(08:48):
lot of people thought that way, but a lot of
people didn't want that to be the end. So they're
also like a report and I think it's easy to
say this now, but Triple H didn't want fans to
hijack every show with Our Truth chance. So that was
part of the reason why Nikan, like Stepdens just like
we got to bring it back because we.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Can't make sense out of it and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So even if that were the case, it's a good reason, right,
Like I mean, it's not a bad reason to want
someone back. It's like, well they didn't do it with
CM punk way back when so and fans were taken
over that until he returned to AW Really, I mean
it was like five six, seven years of we want

(09:28):
punk chance at every WW show. But you know, I
can totally buy a new ownership having the thought process
of all right, well let's bring it back because we
don't want this to continue, and our Truth being able
to negotiate him wanting to be a more serious wrestler
in this last run, and obviously cutting the hair signifies

(09:52):
that that promo on Raw signifies that we don't know
what's going to happen next. I you know, as we
record this before Friday Night SmackDown, there is seen as
supposed to be on SmackDown. So will he address our Truth,
will he address Cody? Will he address anything else? So
we'll see if there's another match with Sina and Our

(10:12):
Truths or sorry, Ron Killing's future. So I just don't know,
you know, we don't know the length. We don't know
if it's like just towards the end of twenty twenty five,
We don't know if it's a one year deal. We
don't know much of that, but we do know that
he's he wanted to be a serious wrestler. So I
just hope that the fans that loved him because of

(10:35):
the comedy also love him because he's going to show
what range he has. I mean, he's already shown it
when he did that thing with you know, the Mids
and twenty eleven. I remember being like, damn, like this
is awesome, and obviously WW screwed that, But I think
you give him an opportunity to be serious. He's going

(10:56):
to captivate the fans that loved him just because he
was a funny comedy character. So I'm looking forward to
see the reaction to that. I'm hoping that the fans
don't sour on him just because he's not going to
be some funny character week in and week out.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see the direction that going. Hopefully
it's entertaining one by at the end of the day,
he's back on TV, and the locker room is better
for it. And I think wrestling fans and WW is
better for having Ron the truth killings back in the forth.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
The biggest thing you said it the locker room's better
for it. I mean, yeah, you talk about morale, I
mean that's that means something.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think it does. I think it always does. Uh, so,
but when it comes to business, business doesn't doesn't always
mix with morale. But in this particular sense, they made
a business business decision and they reverse they reverse course
on it and at the end of the day, all
is right.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
With Why can't Triple eh stay that though? Does he
always have to put up? Well?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
That would have that would have require someone with the
massive ego to admit that they made a wrong decision.
That doesn't always happen. And who's to say there was
Triples a decision. I don't know who cares honestly, Uh
t k O Triple as all those guys, they're all
they're the same brain trust. So I'm not here to
sign or whatever. It's all WW but uh yeah that

(12:23):
people don't just admit mistakes readily. You know, you watch football.
There's plenty of gms who hang on the first round
picks so they know stink. But they can't just let
them go because that would be admitting that they wasted
a first round pick, right, So they keep the kid
around for another season or two, don't they They might
decline and fit your option and all that, but like,
you know, cutting them after a two seasons would mean, yeah,

(12:47):
we messed that one up real bad, and not everybody
wants to do that, so but.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
They get beloved for that because you're you're transparent.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
You know that's man the egle, the ego is way
too big for that. And how he can you know,
it's different when you're dealing with Eagles fans and they
hold you more accountable than let's say, WW, they feel
like all powerful. Where the Eagles they're one of thirty
two teams they can get beat next year. And now
the Howe's fetre on the fire again, you know what

(13:15):
I'm saying, Like Nick Siriani is just a season removed
from almost being fired, right, So Triple H doesn't have
that same it's not the same one to one comparison,
I guess, but in that sense. But again, ego will
get in away of a lot of different things. But
back to WWE and later on in Raw, we had
another big happening, and that is we got a new

(13:37):
World heavyweight champion. Mark Henry Junior is somewhere rejoicing because
in his mind, the reign of terror is over. Now
other people's minds, it's not a rain of terror. It
was fine and it was exactly what I thought it
would be brief, and that is because Gunther defeated Juso
to become the new World heavyweight Champion. And everybody can
stop crying now about how terrible this was for the

(14:00):
world of wrestling. Oh my god, Jay, you is a champion.
Oh no, what's gonna happen to wrestling? It's so bad?
Nothing kid, He's gonna lose it eventually and we move
on with our world. And that's what we're doing here.
All that crying and all that complaining just for him
to lose it two months after he wonted. Y'all complain

(14:22):
for much longer than that, though. Was it worth it? Guys?
Because no one said? No one said, I don't think
anybody said that Jayusai, Well, not only did you have
to win the title, he had to hold it for
a year. Not everybody gets to hold the title for
a year. But when but Jay's is not a good
wrestling How could he be the world champion for eight

(14:45):
weeks or whatever it was? God, there's so many things
to complain about online today just look outside, But like
jus winning the title was not one of them. I
stand on that. I don't care what y'all say. But
Gunther new world heavyweight champion, two time world heavyweight champion,
and what's next for Gunther world? According to report for

(15:08):
Bodyslam dot Net, what's next is.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Goldberg that's better than Jay? Right?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me that. Everybody? Everybody who ju so? Yeah,
y'all want to J do? Y'all want j You so?
Now do you want Goldberg?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Who?

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Who?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I heard?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I think I heard this somewhere that he said that
he was having trouble like with his training, Like, yeah,
because he's old and it's not like a disrespectful thing.
Time catches up to us all, and I get that
they do owe him a big match to end his career,
but he's going to get Gunther. Y'all went mad about
ja Uso getting Gunther.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
He better lose that match.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
He's going to lose the match. He's going to lose
the match. But Goldberg is funny. We're gonna do great
American bast two thousand. But later on, But Goldberg was
kind of rumored for this for a while. This kind
of you read the tea leaves and the reports, that
was kind of where they were going. It's gonna be
Goldberg versus Gunther but it was a matter of what
we didn't know was whether there would be a title

(16:12):
at Steak or not. To me, you don't need this
title for this particular endeavor, especially because why would you
want to make people think that Goldberger would be a
world champion in twenty twenty five? But here we are?
Is this better? Mike Henry Jr. I need to know?
But yes, Nick, you tell me. How do you feel
how you're feeling about Gunther versus Goldberg being a title

(16:35):
match potentially at a future ww event.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I mean, I feel like this is probably the original
plan for WrestleMania, and that Goldberg was having trouble with
the training, some stepbacks, and I wonder why they made
the call audible to all right, we'll give Jay a
run here he does the right right call. It was
almost like something that was never meant to happen, and happen.
People loved it, and then yes, we move on after that.

(17:01):
Does Jay get his second reign in the future? I
don't know, Like what steps for him after this? That'll
be interesting to see. I'm more I'm more interested in
that than Gunther versus Goldberg, Like what's that's for j us? Honestly,
I'm more interested in.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I wouldn't be upset if they move j Uso to SmackDown.
They're due for like a little bit of a shake
up here, I think, And I think j us is
done a lot on Raw. He's a great addition to Raw,
but I think he'd be good on SmackDown. Now. Granted
there's a lot of bloodline stuff going on over there.
It kind of Jay's has been removed from that for
the most part outside of like war games, right, But

(17:40):
I mean he can get back in that mix. You
got Jimmy over there. He's kind of on an island
by himself over there on SmackDown. So to me, moving
Jay Usso away from Gunther and away from Raw all together,
I think would help him get him in front of
a new brand and not new fans. But like you know,
when he's up on smack if he shows up on

(18:01):
smack Down for the first time, people will pop and
people will be happy to see him. Yeah, he's here,
and I think he could do some stuff with him,
whether that's with the ww Championship. He may not win that,
but you can have him challenge John seen It and
lose potentially, or you can have him baby be a
US champion, have him maybe go against Jacob Fatu. Who
knows what's going to happen there. But I think moving
him away from Raw would be a step in the

(18:24):
right direction.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, And I I just the whole bloodline stuff is
like bad now. I'm like, I'm annoyed watching it. I
was like, I don't want to see Solo. Like the
Jacob fat two stuff is pretty good, but it's like
it's not the same without Roman, man, it's just not
you need him to continue stories and the bloodline story.

(18:45):
You need him to show up and have like likability
in like who he wants in his bloodline. Like they
gotta do something with the I'm just this isn't it
with Solo and Jacob. I just I'm not feeling it.

(19:06):
And Jay moving over would be a step in the
right direction for sure. But they got to write this
whole bloodline situation because it's a mess right now, and
it's aggravating me because it was one of the things
that entertained me the most the.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Last few years.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
It got us through a lot of bad wrestling, and
then even when the wrestling got good again, it was
a good story. And now it's like what are we doing?
It's like annoying because what could have been a better story.
And I blame the Rock just because he wants But
like they do the Bloodline civil war stuff last year

(19:43):
and then it culminates some war games and it's like okay,
like now what and they haven't done anything after that that.
Jacob Fatsu is the only bright spot in that and
it has really nothing to do with Roman, and I
know that's by design, but no one likes Solo anyways,
so of course FOT two is gonna get like popular
and stuff like that. So uh, you know, he did

(20:05):
turn officially on Solo at Money in the Bank, so
we'll see what happens coming out of that. But I'm
just like, come on, let's get the Bloodline stuff roll
it again, because it just hasn't been interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I don't know if they do, man, I mean, I
guess they can introduce new members. They already they just
brought in Jeff Cobbs slash jac Matteo. Uh, you can
bring in maybe another.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Supposed to do Hickeoleo.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, Hickeoleo.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Hickeoleo is supposed to debut a Knight apparently.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Okay, well, it's spoilers for everybody listening out there. Well
you'll hear this after SmackDown.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
So Swiller fit you. So I apologize that I don't
don't care. But it's not it's not taped in advance.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
At least we could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
That's true. That specific report could be wrong, not me,
that specific report.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
So if hickel, if you hear this, hickelo has debuted.
Oh snap, Piccolo is here, y'all. Bloodline story is popping again.
Were Oh they was wrong. They did that. They got
the report wrong, y'all. So it wasn't our fault either way.
So whatever one just skipped to the part that makes
us correct, whatever outcome happens. You mentioned money in the

(21:15):
bank just a second ago. We got new money in
the bank winners for the men. We got seth rollins
for the women. We've got Naomi who I both I
will say predictably predicted correctly on our roundtable on our
roundtable episode not too long ago. But Nick seth rollins
two time money in the bank winner.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Your thoughts please, I don't think I have any Okay,
I'm just like he came out or in the well
headed Seaton punk in a second, but you know, just
coming out and holding the briefcase up.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I thought people were expecting more or at least him
to be involved in the promo, but that was it,
and he's just kind of like chilling now with the
briefcase and Okay, he'll be the champion at some point, at.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Some point just when, yeah is it? Does he cash
in during the potential Gunta Goldberg match? Does he cash
in during a summer Slam? Who knows? We'll see. But uh,
since South Robins is a sensible winner, I thought he
cashing on Monday. They did not do that.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
He can't cash in duror an evolution, right, I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Who does he cashing? Does he give the briefcase to
Becky and let her cash in on somebody else? Like
they just scratch out, Like they just change the language somehow,
write in some new language to make it say the
w W Women's Championship for the World Tide. I don't know.
But but speaking of the women, Naomi is a money
in the bank winner. Who does she cashing on or

(22:44):
potentially cashing on? What's next for Naomi?

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Good question? Would she go to raw? Possible?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Hm?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hm, take it away from bo Sky perhaps, but I
also like the idea of cashing against Tiffany.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
So I can see that.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I can see.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
There's better options for her, I think than Seth.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I agree with that. I think there's more diversity there.
More not diversity, just more options. Like you said, it's
more potential options. I will say, I think she's staying
on SmackDown. I think they like to keep couples together
on the same brand, so her and Jay can stay
on the SmackDown together. Okay, not Jake, Jimmy got mixed
up with the names, but also on SmackDown it's Bianca

(23:28):
Butlaiir and Jay Cargill. And that's where the story is
with Naomi right now. So I have to imagine that
one or both of them are going to pop back
up in the periphery of Naomi cashing in. Maybe one
of them costs her from winning. Maybe she costs them somehow,
takes the opportunity away from one of them and sweeps
in and take and wins it. I don't know, but

(23:50):
I do think Naomi will probably win that title at
some point. Whatever title she challenges for, I think it
will be the ww Women's title that Tiffany Stratton holes
and yeah, I said it on the roundtable. I think
that Naomi deserved it. I think she put in a
lot of good work with this heel turn. It's been very,
very effective. I always thought that she had it in there,
but it thought it'd be tough because people didn't like

(24:11):
her so much. But she's pulled it off really well.
She's bought in completely. She's multiple times had tears running
down her face during promos and stuff like that. So
she earned it and she's put into work. So we'll
see what happens going from there with the money in
the bank. Briefcases. But the next big show is Night

(24:33):
of Champions in Saudi Arabia, and we got a main event,
or at least a big match. I don't know if it's
a main event, but we have a WW championship match.
It is John Cena versus CM Punk and Saudi Arabia.
Even years at the CM Punk pretty much made it
seem like it was the worst thing in the world
to go over to Saudi Arabia, and Russell guess what

(24:57):
he's doing going over to Saudi Arabia. You're in wrestling,
and I guess the title right? Probably not? Yeah, probably
losing I guess. You know, in storyline you can say
that John Cen has forced him to go because got
a chance over there.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's how they're the way he put it like it.
It's and you know, seeing his social media posts this week,
you know, posted the daze and stuff like that. Given
the skull crushing finale, this's about Joe. He's obviously hitting
towards Punk's own words for years ago.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean it was a strong, strong statement for like,
what was it twenty eighteen twenty? What was it twenty nineteen?
It was years ago now, a long time ago when
he said that, but strong strong words.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Just to walk it on back to show on Fox
because oh yes or something.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yes, yes, So that had to been like twenty eighteen
nineteen or something like that.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
What was that called again, Oh, don't.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Get meted lion. It was it was. Yeah, it was
like a panel show that nobody watched and see him
Punk popped up on it and everybody's like, is he
coming back? I thought like maybe this opens the door,
But honestly it was just a TV deal in him
coming back, so in hindsight, but yeah, what a strange
time that was. That's when they first got one Fox,
and they were trying to I guess, trying to come
up with some like ancillary programming because they spent Yes, yes,

(26:11):
they spent billions on w W says like we can't
just do this for one show. We got to do
another show and get more bang for our buck, and
that show didn't last long at all. But yes, see
him punk John Cena Saudi Arabia WW title match. I'm
not going to expect what they did now fourteen years ago,

(26:33):
which is crazy to say that that was fourteen years ago,
But I still think they got a good storytelling match
in them. What say you?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, it's gotta be about the story At this point.
You're not gonna get like a five star classic or anything,
but you get the big moments and the emotional you know, face,
the near fall and like the unbelievable Yeah some car maybe, Yeah,
I think they you know, it wouldn't surprise me if

(27:04):
they do a whole money in the bank twenty eleven
match there, just do it over again, just have seen
a win or something or I.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Mean, honestly, that wouldn't be mad at that. There's not
in nobody's hometown is in a Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, so I'm just surprised it's gonna happen there. Honestly,
I figure you can headline in SummerSlam with that. But
obviously they have a different plan. Is it a scene
of Cody rematch?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I guess as Tody did assumption.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
You know, I was wrong. It wasn't Jay usopinning John
Cena and money in the bank. It was Cody, So
I assume we'll go that route. But yeah, I guess
they're kind of getting this out of the way because
they're not gonna do scenea punk again, you know, in
the Fall or you know, Winner or anything. So I
guess do it now?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah, very interesting. I thought they do it that
money in a bank kind of run that.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Back, right, Yeah, like I was looking forward to that possibility, but.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Create some symmetry, Yeah, exactly, you know, but we have
that match of Saudi Arabia. WW has got some new talent.
We mentioned this last week's a quick update. Mariah may
has a name in WWE. It is not Mariah Maycy.
It is not Mariah at all. It is Blake Monroe.
So there's that Blake Monroe.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
He said, as long as they keep Mariah and yet
they did both. I had a feeling Monroe was in
the running, though.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I feel like Mariah Monroe works.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
It does does I did? Someone I mentioned that Blake is.
She had mentioned Blake is like a tribute to her
East or something.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Okay, well that's nice.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like so she choose that, so it could be worse.
Blake Monroe is not a terrible name that flows off
the tongue. Had Mariah May like.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Or Mariah Blake. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Blake Mariah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I don't know if that works. Not Mariah Blake could work.
I've heard Blake as a last name before, so I
would just try to keep that Mariah somewhere in there.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think that's a good name. But whatever, Mariah may
is now Blake Monroe and n XT And speaking of
her former employer, ae W, we got some matches lined
up for all in Ocada. Omega's official. They're gonna go
win or take all. They're gonna combine the continental and
international titles into one big round. Not that pretty title

(29:34):
that they're calling me. What do they calling this title?
The Unified title? That's a stupid name. I'm sorry, aw unified,
but it's ten years from now, what is it? Nobody
cares if it's unified from like, what are we doing?
It's not even the top title.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
They're going to eventually change their name, like next year,
something else unified.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Just call it the International or Intercontinental or television or something.
Don't call it that unified unified. What you sustill to have
a world heavyweight champion is a unified champion based what's unified?
I don't know. It's dumb, but yeah, you've been watching
more aw Ley. What are your thoughts and going into
all in next month?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Dude, Okada Omega has got a headline?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You think so?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I don't. They ran a video package. I was like
five minutes I heard, dude.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Oh actually I saw a session that I heard, but
it was very long, and I did see Omega is
coughing up just copious amounts of blood after the attack
from the Don Kallis family in Okataka, Chico, Okada. So, uh,
but you think it should headline?

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I mean like it's gonna be kind of the same
thing with Senapunk, Like can they do the same stuff
they did years ago? Probably not, but I think they're
good enough and with the aw style given more freedom,
to have a five star classic, and I think people
you go into so far there are three matches, but

(31:05):
I think it's got the best story in aw right now.
I think it's better than Moxley Hangman, and I think
Moxley Hangman has been great, So I'm like, well, Hangman,
I should say, like he's really selling how important this
is to him, and he's like coming around and he's
he still have that issue with Swerve, so it's not

(31:25):
like they're totally ignoring that and they're not friendly, so
they're not like ignoring super important things that I love
about wrestling that if you're watching, you know, weeks to week,
month to month, year to year, that you can't just
buy Okay Hangman and Swerve for friends now because they're
gonna go against the Bucks or something like that, Like

(31:47):
it's not what's gonna happen. So I like that they're
keeping those things open while Hangman's focused on the world
title as well. I'm not convinced that Hangman's gonna win
the world though, the same, So that's why I would
probably just do Ocado Omega is the main event, because
you're gonna everyone's gonna love it no matter why. Even

(32:08):
though Okada wins, everyone's gonna love it. Omega wins, everybody's
gonna love it. I don't think you can have a
bad outcome in that match. If it's like an overbooked mess,
then I might feel differently, But I don't think that's
a match you need like an overbooked mess, and just
let them go. Just let them go. And I think

(32:29):
at the end of that's long ass show is probably
gonna be like four and a half five hours.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
People are just the biggest one of the year, and
it's dandy. I'm gonna be out there for like twelve
hours a bro.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I just think it's going to people are gonna be
happy no matter what the outcome is. So I think
just make it the main event, make it the last match.
Even if Hangman winds up winning the title, you could
place that in the middle of the card because world
title matches can go in the middle of the card.
It's happened before so and then you have Mercedes Modet
versus Tony Storm and that'll be great sure. So I mean,

(33:01):
like those three matches are set right now for all
in UH and the MJMS MJF stuff with a hurt
Syndicate is getting me a little more entertained as we
go on. I'm not a fan of the whole American
gimmick thing that he's doing again against Mystico. It's just
think it's a bad time to do that. I thought

(33:21):
about I thought about WrestleMania seven, you know, when I
was watching that and how you know, Hal Cogan and
started to slaughter the Iraqi sympathizer and stuff. I was like, obviously,
I don't know if it's on. I don't want to
compare the two, but that's what I thought when I
was watching it. I was like, I'm JF is just
trying to be a heel, so he's going to do
like this American gimmick in Mexico. I just I don't

(33:43):
think it's the right time or place for that. Even
in wrestling.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
You might get a lot of heat, though that's all
that's going to get a lot of heat, and that's
all they care about. He's gonna get the heat, even
though it might not be a good time to do
it might be in poor taste at this current juncture.
I see your point of Omega and Moxley, No Omega,
Moxy Omega and Okada potentially main eventing, which you know,
in theory sounds good, but to me it's a problem

(34:08):
because they've invested so much time into this world title
at least a story with Moxley for months, putting in
a briefcase and doing all this cutting on these vignettes
and cutting on these promos about what he's trying to
do to change the company and change wrestling, and that
doesn't main event your biggest show. This other match it
just comes up out of nowhere, sprouts up in the

(34:30):
last two months, that's your main event. So how is
anything better than the Moxlei stuff. As much time as
they've invested into that story, why is anything better than that?
Should be your best story, That should be the thing
you can hang your hat on if your aaw And
instead we're standing are debating whether it should even main
event the biggest show of the year for the world title.
They had a whole tournament to determine who's going to

(34:52):
challenge for that belt and decided to add a pay
per view That match main event at the pay per view,
but the world title match that they fart for, it
wouldn't If that would happen, that would be kind of
insane When you kind of look at the totality of
this story and kind of take a look at the
broader look of things, take a look at it from

(35:14):
a broader scope and be like, how do we get
here from where we were back in October where this started.
It doesn't make any sense. But whatever they'll they'll put
on a good show, I'm sure regardless, it'll be nine
hours of quality wrestling in the stadium this time. We'll
be interested to see the attendance on that show because

(35:35):
there's a lot going on obviously that whole week when
it comes to a w and WWE, because of course
w W is running shows the day of, right all
in and run a Saturday Nights main event the day
of and running the Angry Fuck shows in one day
going against them, and then they got evolution the next day.
So yeah, we'll be interesting to see all of that.

(35:57):
But enough of the current nonsense, Nick, are you ready
to dive deep into pass nonsense otherwise known as Great
American Bash two thousand.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
You're damn right, by The Great.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
American Bash will make history. So will his son David
Blair in the most important match of his lifetime.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
If I lose you, I will retire from goodness for
the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
That was a lie.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Asylum find out.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
To the world title or the last match of his
career retirement matches sacrifice Jeff Jared's sacrifice for the World title.
Flames will be ignited in the most bizarre imagine not bizarre.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Are going to learn humans?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Oh my god? Religious on fire? And now w u
c W Brazil Great American Bash brought to you by
Cats Guard Gig.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Brought to you by Castrole GTX.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Castro GTX. Hat that name attached to this show man.
That's rough, but you know, impressions, right, impressions. But that
was the intro to the Great American Bash, which took
place on June eleventh, two thousand. This was the tenth
and final Great American Bash under the WCW banner, so
in a lot of ways, this felt like the real, final,

(37:28):
true Great American Bash in my eyes. I mean, I know,
WW ran on a main roster back in the day
mid two thousands, and of course they still use it
in NXT, but it's not the same. Great American Bash
was a WSW show, major show, not just another show
that threw out there, and not just a show for
the developmental talent with a big show back in the day,
good summer show Great American Bash started off obviously as

(37:50):
a tour stadium tour and then now it's an NXT
premium love evand but this particular show emanated from Baltimore,
Maryland to baltimorea to be exact. In Baltimore, Maryland. The
arena now is known as the CFG Bank Arena. In
case you were wondering. It has been home to numerous

(38:10):
Baltimore sports teams over the years, including the NBA's Baltimore Bullets.
I don't know if you knew that, Yeah, the Baltimore Bullets,
and of course the Arena Football League's Baltimore Brigade just
in case you wanted that arena football knowledge.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
The NBA team, the one that became the Washington Bullets.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yes, and then now they are the Washington Wizards. But
the building itself was originally opened back in nineteen sixty
two and reopened had a grand reopening in twenty twenty three,
according to his website. Yeah, it's an old building, so
they had to redo it. But this building, for as
old as it is, has a long, rich and often

(38:49):
overlooked history and pro wrestling. It hosted numerous and I
mean numerous WWWF shows NWA shows dating back to the
nineteen sixties. Baltimore I think gets overlooked as a major
wrestling city, especially here in the Northeast. When people talk
about wrestling towns in the Northeast. You here in New York,
you hear Philly, you here, Boston, d C. Don't hear

(39:11):
too much about Baltimore. But we're gonna give Baltimore their flowers.
It's more than just the home of the wire in
the Ravens and Oriels right and in Great Seafood. It's
also home to a rich, rich wrestling history that should
be celebrated. Let's talk about Baltimore in his wrestling history
for once. So yeah, shout out to Baltimore. Shout out

(39:32):
to b Moore as they call it. Even though, yeah,
that sounded real corny, but you know, I'm just trying
to be nice here. People trying to be cordial to Baltimore.
By the late nineteen eighties, though, Baltimore essentially became the
home of the Great American Bash. Baltimore hosted every single
Great American Bash from nineteen eighty eight through nineteen ninety one.

(39:54):
And then hosted the event four more times in the
late nineteen nineties, totally eight times that the city hosted
the event eight times. Because when you think of the
Great American Bash, we going to Baltimore over and over
and over again. Let's do it. Why WSW love Baltimore
in the summertime. I don't know you know that, but

(40:15):
it was a tradition and Baltimore is a nice city.
I was there last summer actually hanging out a little bit,
and it was a good time. So shout out to
Baltimore before. Yeah, it's not that far. It's only like,
what maybe three two and a half hours, so I.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Think I still haven't done. It's going to Camden Yards.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
So that's same same. Yeah, that's that, man, that would
be a good ballpark to get to on the summer day.
Get some get some seafood, go to Camden Yards. That
sounds like a good time. But we are here. Let
me oh, I skip ahead of my notes a little bit.
Excuse me again. This was the final Great American Bash
in Baltimore, and there was no Great American Bash in

(40:52):
two thousand and one because w CW is out of business.
And when you watch this show, you'll see why. But
we're in two thousand and where are we in the
summer of two thousand. Well, it's hot outside, and it's
hot as ever in WWF. Not in ww it was.
WWF was on fire. Right. They're going into I believe

(41:13):
King of the Ring where they have an over book mess,
but they didn't they have what was it? It was
a triple threat match or some sort what was it
where it was a six man It is a sixth
man where it was the Rock Cane an undertaker going
against Triple A, Shane and Vince, and the title was
on the line. The WWF Championship was on the line,
and whoever penned Let's say, if the Rocks team won,

(41:36):
whoever got the pen would become champion. And wouldn't you
know the Rock pen I think Vince to become to
become WWF champion.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
So you would think that's Vince Brusso.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
No, it's Vince McMahon. And as prepositious as that sounded.
And this show also featured an evening gown match with
Pat Patterson and Gerald brisco So ww HE wasn't doing
much better as far as like tasteful television. However, they
were selling a lot more tickets and getting a lot
more ratings, and w's w at this time because you know,

(42:11):
w W still around, but the company's aura, as the
kids say, was long gone.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, long gone.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
We were at the point where we didn't want WCW
to be around. And obviously, as a kid, you know, like,
I'm just like it's too much. I'm taping Nighttros and
Thunders every week, and I'm like, it's too much to
waste tape on these shitty.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Shows, man, wasting tape.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I just don't want to do that anymore. So I'm like,
please just go away. And obviously, like you grow up
and you appreciate that time you had with another huge
wrestling company that you know is allowing wrestling talent to
make living, and it's just like, man, I guess I
kind of wish it went differently. But in this time period,
I was a coming out of my freshman year of

(42:59):
high school and I was just like this sucks, Like yeah,
compared to ninety six, ninety seven and even some parts
of ninety eight WCW, it was so embarrassing for me
to watch this products on Nitro Thunder. I didn't wander
any of the pay per views in two thousand, and
I'm just like, at least w WF was keeping me interested,

(43:24):
and obviously they were doing things that I didn't like,
you know, not everything I liked on WWFTV at the side.
But again, two thousand was one of their best years
ever because you know, they were still having great shows
and let's just talk about Kick of the Ring instead.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
No, we had Great American Bash. Baby, we had Great
American Bash in two thousand, which means Vince Russo has
the book and you know what that means. Shenanigans are
a Footigans are afoot and at every turn in this show.
But where are we in ww IT on top of

(44:03):
Shenanigans so much?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
But at WSW at this time, we got the roster
essentially split into two factions. The veterans otherwise known as
the Millionaires Club because I mean that's probably accurate depending
on who was in that group. They were legiti millionaires
and then the new guys, so fresh faces known as
the new Blood. Uh. And this was you know, an
attempt to like put kind of you know, freshen up

(44:25):
the stuff a little bit and get some new faces
in there and have an uprising I guess of swords
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
But you know, earlier in the year, Bischoff and Vince
Russou kind of hit the reset button on ws W,
took all the titles away from everybody and started over again.
But in theory, the story isn't necessarily bad, you know,
I don't think it's a terrible story to do like
the old guys was the new guys the old guys
versus the young upstarts. You want to take the spots

(44:53):
that the old guys have been hogging up for years
and years, which was the case in W's W. There
was a lot of reality to that. However, because of
who was running the show, it was all over the place,
and they really mess it up by making one major
mistake in my opinion, and that was because the old millionaires,
clinging to their spots from years ago, were portrayed as

(45:17):
the good guys, while the young, hungry set of upstarts
looking to inject new energy into the business they were
the bad guys. Were rooting. If there's one thing people
love to do, is they love loving on some rich folks.
Who's gonna look out for the millionaires and the billionaires? Oh,

(45:39):
I'm so worried about them, even though they don't care
about me. But ah, who's gonna look out for the
rich folks. That's pretty much what happened here. And it's like,
you know these guys that were stars and his old guard,
you still love them. Well, these new guys wanna take
the spot, and those new guys suck. They're not good enough,
even though Rick Flair is almost fifty and Hukogan's almost

(45:59):
fifty and Sting is over forty and DDP is over
forty and Kevin Nag is nearing forty. No, no, no, no,
you want those same guys. You want those same guys.
So when TNA kind of ran the same thing years
later with the main event Mafia and the TNA Originals,
but the thing was that they ran it where the
t and A Originals, the young guys were the good

(46:20):
guys and the old guys were the bad guys. They
were the old rich guys clinging to the spot. Still.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
E c W did that? W wwe E c W
did that? The breed? Remember that?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Why are we talking about that?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
They had that big blow off a WrestleMania right when
they had like an eight man tag or something like
that yup.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, like that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
It's bad, it's real bad. But uh but also, if
you're like Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff and they run
the show and they're leading the new blood.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Why is there a Bishoff leading the new blood?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
By the way, Well, that's fair, but I guess he
could say I'm done with these old guys, I'm done
with these rich, entitled spoiled. He probably should It probably
shouldn't be the case, right because it would make sense.
Eric Bischoff led those guys.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
But they got a swerve bro.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
They got a swerve bro. But if you're those two,
what's the incentive to keep any of the high price vets.
You could just release them. You could take tuning them,
make pay cuts, or to take pay cuts. I's to
say say, hey, Rick, you're making a million and a half,
how about seven hundred and fifty. This happens in sports
all the time. And then they don't take the pay cut.

(47:36):
You cut them. It happens in football every year they
call salary cap casualties. Okay, but you can cut them.
You can make them take pay cuts and then build
around the younger stars. But no, because it's is wrestling.
There has to be a power struggle, and it's just
too easy to just fire the old guys. You gotta
beat them and then make them retire.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
They got iron clad cot and they take huge buyouts
if you fire them. So that's the wrestling, uh you know,
logic behind So.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
We have to put two retirement matches on the same
show to get rid of them. And if they win,
we don't get rid of them. But if they lose,
then the contract still is in place, I guess, but
they go away. Just get rid of them. You gotta
pay them anyway, which.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
By the way, those two people in those retirement matches
won't be there a month after that.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh lord, well look at that. They retired anyway. I
guess Vince Musso got what he wanted at the end
of the day. But what else do we have. We've
got such big names such as Lieutenant Loco g I
bro chronic with a K two k's exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Which they messed up the chiron on that, Yes they did.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
They put a C at the end, and I was like,
what y'all doing. You can't even spell the name wrong, right,
Like you're gonna spell it wrong at least tell it
wrong correctly. Like Mortal Kombat. They use a K for
C all the time. That K is there all the time.
It's consistent. Okay, you collect coins, you collect coins with

(49:11):
a K. Okay, and Mortal Kombat, all right, noo, c's allowed,
all right? So how do we get here with WSW
where they still get it wrong even though it's wrong.
You're supposed to be right, but it's wrong. Oh, you
can't even do the wrong thing right.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I did a double take because it was so quick too.
It was up for like a second, and then so
every wounded just to make sure I saw it correctly.
I'm like, I should have kept the tally of the mistakes,
but I did not because it was for my sanity.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
For one, chronic like chronic back pain and stuff like that,
it's spelled c h r O n I C. Chronic
detag team is supposed to be spelled k oh ok
r oh n I K. So booking it with ks
WSW put a C at the end of that because
it's like we want some type of normalcy here. I
don't know, But who else is here? We got David

(50:05):
Flair along with Ric Flair and even Van Piro is
here or vampiros as the one guy said that one
time when he's impersonating Jim Ross at Ferrara, I think
that was Vampiro, but he was. He actually was Vampiro
on this night, he said, somebody on fire, But on

(50:26):
this yeah, yeah. But also on the show, we got
a boot camp match, an ambulance match, and an asylum
match that turned into a handicap match, and we have
a human torch match, not an inferno match, because what's that?
What's an infernal match? We never heard of that before,
setting somebody on fire. That's never been done in wrestling

(50:46):
except two years ago in WWF. It's a human torch
match where the objective is to still set your opponent
on fire, but it's a torch that you do it with,
not just fire that's around the ring. But all of
that means, for one, this is oh I almost forgot.
We got not one, but two retirement matches all on

(51:06):
one show. And if this show sounds like a doozy
on paper, trust me, if you watch it, it will
not disappoint. We kind of already talked about where we
were as fans at this point. We were both watching.
I was watching a lot of WSW at this point,
I would flip. Never WWF went to commercial, I would
flip to WSW see what they were doing. And I
think they sometimes would have they would start early too,

(51:30):
because they would go three hours. They were eight to eleven.
I think they were still at that.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Point back to two hours, but I don't know if they.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, I just I do remember starting off with nightro
my Night's on Monday, starting off for night trol four
an hour and being like, man, I can't wait for
ww have to start, and then nine o'clock rollo around. Yeah,
and by the you know, and you flip back and
forth and it's just night and day. Like.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I was watching as an eleven year old at the time,
and even I could tell that there was big differences
between the two promotions, and that againwas w just simply
didn't have the juice anymore, and they were even though
they were trying to desperately, desperately to cling to whatever
they had left. The problem for me though, was that
debis w still had a lot of talents and they

(52:18):
were all just in embarrassing situations. If you told me
that the show with Booker t Raymonds Stereo Hawk, Hogan,
Rick Flair, Shane Douglas, Sting, Vanpiro, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash,
Conan Hooven, Tu Guerrero, and Jeff Jared. I'm like, man,
that should be a solid show. I've included Jeff Jared
in there. I thought Jeff Jared, he's at least a

(52:42):
competent wrestler who was around, He was in w w
F for a while. He's a known guy. You know,
I know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disrespect Jeff
Jared like that. He's at least worthy of being in
this group of people. That's like, oh, they're talented. And
there's others that I might have He is the world
heavyweight champion on this night, and there's others that I
might have not said, like Billy Kidman, who's another guy

(53:02):
who's really good, but exactly, but again, all those are
ingredients for at least a solid show.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Instead, we get ww in two thousand, which means we
got Vince Musso booking things, and that means everything is
going to be terrible because he can devalue pretty much
anything with his booking.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
He thinks he's making everybody important. But what he's doing
is making everybody less important. That's what he felt like.
Just by trying to make everybody important, he was well
worrying everybody's value. That's what it felt like watching to me.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
It's not even that, it's just it was bad. It
was just terrible. One terrible idea after another, terrible everything.
And we'll talk about it. But on this night, despite
how terrible everything was, they still drew a little more
than seven thousand people to Baltimore. Yeah. I don't know
pay it or not, but they were in the building.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Was zero point one nine, it was.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
That wasn't great. I mean sure, but seven thousand people
is nothing to sneeze that, even by today's standards.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
True, you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Sure aw would love to have seven thousand people at
every show. That's not what's happening.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Though.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
You heard the video package there h the opening video
package about well, first we started off with Goldberg returning
to beat up a bunch.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Of people to cut that out. That was just so weird.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
It was weird. It felt like nitro starting like a
paper starting. You do start off with like previously, this
is like the end, so we don't previously. You just
do a package do a video package. But on the
call we got Tony Shevanni and Mark Madden and Scott Hudson.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Wolf here we go.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I don't think we talked too much about either one
of these guys. Tony Sevanni, we already know about Tony Shavanni.
We cool with Tony Shavanni, even though he wasn't good
on this show. But we cool with Tony. Let's set
him to the side. We haven't really talked about Scott
Hudson and Mark Matten on this show too much. And
but basically because Scott Hudson is only really in this
time period and it was a terrible time period that
we've been avoiding, and the same for Mark Matten.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I guess this is the latest WCWS show we've ever
doped deep on.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
So yes, your thoughts on Scott Hudson and Mark Madden.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Didn't really think Scott Hudson was bad. Didn't like Mark
Madden back then, but now and I think he's worse
now looking back. But Scott Hudson was the voice of
WCW like on the weekends. You know, he took over
Saturday Night and no I really went and watched Saturday
Night in two thousand, but a lot of the weekend shows,
if it was like a one hour recap show or whatever,

(55:37):
he was on there, and it was usually with Larry
Sibisco could have been pro ww pro maybe that was
the show. But I would hear a lot of Scott Hudson,
you know, back then, and I didn't think he was terrible.
I didn't think he was Tony Shavani either, and he wasn't.
But I didn't really have issues with how he presented

(55:58):
things on TV, how he commentated or anything like that.
I just it wasn't Tony. So if I didn't hear Tony,
I didn't think it was important because Tony was the
a guy you know, on Nitro Thunder or whatever, and
once they mixed, you know, I think Scott might have
eventually been the head guy on Thunder. I just I didn't.
I didn't really even watch Thunder at this point. You know,

(56:21):
I only had one TV and I couldn't have anything
in the background at the time, so you know, the
way I do now, the way I have multiple screens
that I could have things in the background on mute
stuff like that. I just I didn't do that back then,
So I would rarely watch Thunder. At this point Nitro,
I would only tape in the other room, not even

(56:43):
go back and watch it after it was over. Like
that week, I was like, all right, well, at least
I have a tape, and you know, I'll wait till
next week. I think I stopped taping Thunder at some point,
but I would keep taping Nitro because I was like, okay,
like WWF made and SmackDown important, So I had to
tape both of them WCW. As long as I had

(57:04):
nitrol on tape, I was fine, you know, with my
collections and stuff. So I stopped taping Thunder at some point. So, yeah,
like Scott Hudson, not a big deal, but not like terrible,
not great, So just kind of there again. If I heard,
if I didn't hear Tony, I didn't care. Mark Madden
to me was somebody that's, you know, the shock jock type,

(57:27):
say anything to get a rise. Bobby Heenan want to
be is what I kind of referred to him as
back then.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
That's actually really pretty accurate.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
I was just like, dude, Bobby Heenan did this better,
like like he sucks, and I totally forgot that he
did a lot of the WCW dot Com or ww
wrestling dot Com stuff. Previous pay per views, they would
show him backstage doing interviews and stuff, and I forgot
he was that guy. And then he would just get
on the color as the color guy and just say

(57:57):
outlandis stuff, and I was just like, oh, and Rousseau's
at it again.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Yeah, I mean, it's basically.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
What I just hated him.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
On commentary Mark Madden, who was and still a fixture
in Pittsburgh sports media, he spends a lot of time
hating on the Flyers. I mean the Flyers they haven't
won a Cup in fifty years. So he's literally selling
a shirt right now that says fifty years no Cups,
which is like damn okay, But I mean the Flyers
don't hit back. Why are you still doing this?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Like, I know, why are you still Why are.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
You piling on the Flyers at this point? Like you said,
they haven't won a Cup.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Of fifty I'm a hater, but he's a hater, Like.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
It's a big it's a big level of hatred. You know,
they haven't won in fifty years. You don't have to
say anything like we got it. It's like the Eagles
fans piling on Cowboys fans at this point, like they
haven't won in thirty years, Like they don't have to
pile on. You don't have to be mean. Uh no, No,
Eagles fans will take great pride, enjoy and be mean

(58:52):
to Cowboys fans. But I don't understand why there's a
that vitriol towards Flyers fans or Flyers right now. If
you're Penguins fans, why do you even care about the
fly Like you.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Got the three Cups of the Crosby era.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Like right, and the Flyers haven't only been the one
cups the final You got it, guys, we got that.
The Flyers won that one series in twenty twelve, and
there we go. But Mark Madden, as like you said,
the shock radio jock was kind of like Vince Russo's style,
That's what he I'm sure he sought that out. Him
being like the radio guy for debus W made sense

(59:24):
because he had such an extensive background in radio. But
on TV not good, not good because his one liners
were bad. His his his uh just his a man,
it's hard to explain. Like his tone was bad, his
his a lot of bad.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Tried too hard, yes, in one and they always felt flat.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
They always fell flat. They always he was just like
he would always mention people by their real name, which
I know that's a Vince Russo thing. He wanted like
to shoot sometimes. But he's going in when he's talking
to Vampire Vampiro almost had Vampiro, but van Piro is
calling him Ian, what are we doing here? He's Vampiro.
Broke's about to set somebody on fire. Call him his
real name, snitch you the fats now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Scott Hudson did the same damn thing after that. He
was like, we almost sold sea board and killing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Well, at least that man was on fire. At least
that man was on fire. And Pierro is just standing
there complaining, shut up. Do we call Woody from Toy
Story Tom Hanks, No, he's Woody. I don't know what

(01:00:33):
I thought that was the thing to do. It's one
thing if you do it one time. It's like that
moment like if you call see a punk Phil. They
called him Phil, but like one time, not throughout the
show and four times in a row, but in bri Ian.

(01:00:55):
But I don't know, shut up, his name is Mampiro,
damn it. And that's it what we're doing here. So yeah,
I was not a fan. And Scott Hudson talking about him,
I kind of agree with you. He wasn't bad. The
stuff he called was bad. I think it made him

(01:01:16):
look bad, Like having to call the Steve Bordon thing
was bad and him having to say out of his
mouth we just saw Steve Bordon kill himself is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Tony Schavani would not have said that if like he
probably was asked to say that. Tony's like, whose idea
was that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Oh my god? So yeah, commentary on this night. We
are a far cry from Tony and Dusty and Bobby
or even Tony Dusty and today Mary's a Bisco right,
Oh my goodness, we are far away from that. We
got these three who weren't in the Mark Madden and

(01:02:04):
Scott Hudson. We're not in the Ready to Rumble, by
the way, which was probably the right call. I mean,
Scott Hudson probably should have been in the movie. But
Mike Toay and Tony Shavanni, I'm fine with that. Mark
Madden get out of here. No room from Mark Madden
and the nonsense he would say and the terrible jokes

(01:02:26):
and the breaking of k Fabe over and over again.
But as for the show itself, we have our categories.
We have Match of the night, worst match of the night,
top non wrestling happenings, worst non wrestling happening, Hayden Gyms,
and random thoughts. Nick, this show was horrendous in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
It might have been, but we had to cover a
Goldberg's He'll turn at.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Some point, and that's fine. I'm good with it. I'm
just saying with the people out there, this show was horrendous.
I don't think in reality. We're going to try to
fit some things into some categories here. But I don't
think there was a good match on this show, not one.
I think they all could have been known as the

(01:03:18):
worst match of the night. There's so many options to
choose from when it comes to the worst match of
the night. But I'll ask you, how did you find
one match that you say, well, that might be the
best match of the night.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I did, and the reason why is because it was
really really funny seeing David Flair sell like Grint Flair.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I did know, man, I thought I wanted to make
it like a hidden gym. I couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I can't. I can't I'm gonna do it now. I
don't have a hitten the jam because it's so I
don't think anything fit into that, even like the little
things inside matches. I was like, ah, I can't, I can't,
so I don't have a hitting gym. This is my
best matchup of the night. Rick Flair versus David Flair.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I I kind of agree as far as not match
to the Knight. No, because David Flair was just not
ready for the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
What it is, well, he never was, never was, but
grew into into him his body. He was the same
skinny guy, like he couldn't put weade on, couldn't put
muscle on his selling Like I feel like Rick like
killed his shoulder just by backdropping David like I feel like,
and he bumped David took was like, oh my god,

(01:04:33):
is he okay? Like he just didn't have the he
didn't have the motor skills in the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
He just wasn't a wrestler And that's fine. He wasn't
a pro wrestler he was that wasn't his bag. But
I did I do agree with you as far as
like how they used David Flair to take the moves
that Rick normally takes, especially when he reclimbed to the
top rope and Rick beled David off. Instead of Rick
being the one bealed off the top rope, it's David
going flying, which is like, oh, that's kind of fun,

(01:05:03):
but okay, that's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
He did the over the rick. Rick tried it in
the beginning to go over the top work. He did
not make it over the top, but David eventually did.
He did the Rick bump over the turn buckle to
over the top rope, running across the apron to the
other side, go on the top rope. Rick catches him
and do it. And I was like, okay, that's my

(01:05:25):
spot of the night. So by this is by default
that's my match of the night. There is was the
best spot of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
I did think that was a clever spot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I did like read kind of coming in uh not
Russo shoving him away, but then read coming back with
the well I was like, okay, that's pretty funny. Ashley
aka Charlotte making her pay per view debut.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Right fourteen years older.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Wherever a point she handp its Russo, you know, his
hands pine his back, and I was like, okay, Like
that's kind of funny, like with the overbooked best that
everything is. I found joy in that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I'm glad you found some joy in that. I'm trying
to figure out where I had this listed. I feel
like I had it among the worst matches of the night.
I think I did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
It was like because Rick Flair was so outlandish anyway,
and David the promo before this, David Flair is wearing
like regular clothes and it's like, okay, he's changing his
shirt as he's entering the arena. You can see him
like he's putting on a nitro shirt just so Rick

(01:06:42):
can tear it off. So he changed his good shirt
because he didn't want that to get torn. I'm sure
because Rick's gonna tear his shirt off and chop him
to death. And it's so funny. He can't even wait
until he has the shirt fully on to make his
entrance into the arena. He's on the ramp. You could
see him struggling with the shirt to get it on.

(01:07:02):
He's like changing his shirt as he's coming down the ramp.
It's like, what is going on? What is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I actually do have this listed ass like sort of
a hidden gym. I just something had to go here,
but it's not really something that you need to see. Honestly,
it's not really a gym. There's no gems on this show.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
You want to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Watch it because there you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Go, there you go. My match of the Knight was
to the eyes by the way he did he did.
I didn't enjoy that. I did enjoy that as well.
My match of the Knight. Tough, tough decisions here, but
I'm going with the ambulance match. Even though it was
the craziest the swerves, at least it was like entertaining

(01:07:49):
in some ways. So for those who don't know, we
got an ambulance match between Diamond Dallas Page and Mike Awesome,
and this is a revenge, a grudge match for DDP
as at the end of Slamber Reed, which I did.
We cover that on the Straight Shooters. I feel like
we've watched that Slambery two thousand when we had to

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not triple caged with the DDP and David Arquette and
all those guys. Okay, well, at the end, Mike Awesome
throws Chris Kenyon off of one of the cages, through
the stage and seemingly cripples the man like he's in
a wheelchair with a halo. So it looks like Chris
Kenyon's career, his life is forever impacted by that spot,

(01:08:32):
at least in storyline. So DDP, who's Chris Kenyon's homie.
He's got to get his look back for his homie.
You know, he can't just let this homie get paralyzed
like this basically and let it slide. So it's DDP
versus Mike Awesome where you have to put your well,
I guess not you yourself, but you have to get
this guy into a stretcher and into an ambulance for

(01:08:54):
the win, like a regular stretcher anbalyst Max. However, they
have medical personnel at ring side carrying people onto the
stretcher and then wheeling them out just made it seem weird.
It's just like, why why are they here to do this?
The wrestlers should do that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Like a stretcher match, I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
But with help somehow. But the thing is about let
me go back real quick to the Slamber rematch. The
thing is that spot that happened with Chris Canyon, you know,
getting thrown off the top of the cage was in
the same arena that Owen Hart died in a year
year ago. You're prior, I should say, So it's like,
what are y'all doing? Why did y'all do that there?
That could have done this anywhere else? Why? Here? But

(01:09:34):
that's what they did. But yeah, this match, it was
it was fine. It was the worst. One of the
worst parts of the match. I will say it was
Kimberly coming out and hitting DDP with what was clearly
a rubber pipe, like it folded over his back. You
could see it clear as day, not an actual lead pipe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I don't know if you remember h the raw before
Wresselmania fourteen. It was like a few weeks before that
when Owen Hart was in a walking boot and then
it was like him versus Triple H and then China
came out and hit him with a baseball bat and
then Triple H pinned him to win the European title.
I forget, like what week that was, but it was

(01:10:17):
before Russell Bania fourteen. One of those raws. The bat
China had was clearly like a plastic bat and she
hits Owen's like boot and it barely does anything like
Owen probably didn't even feel it and then she drops
the bat and it's like twirling around like a little
plastic bag.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I was like these props, man, why can't we do
better with the props?

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
It just don't. You can't hit him so hard. If
you hit him too hard, it's gonna bend. You gotta
like ah and take it right off of him because
you can't let it bend. You gotta go quick bow
and he's got to. Obviously he's gonna sell it like,
oh my god. But like she went all the way down,
so obviously you see it. Just go whoop and just
bend like a like a like a pool noodle or something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Everybody's gonna notice that, even the live audience is gonna
notice that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Terrible come on, come on. And then then here's the spot.
Here's the big moment of the match. When they're fighting,
I think they're like outside of the ring. And then
Eric Bischoff comes out and threatens to hit Kenyon with
a chair and then DDP knocks over Eric Bischoff and

(01:11:24):
then Kanyon out of nowhere, stands up out of the
chair and hits DDP with a diamond cutter off the
stage through a table, and the music is playing for
some reason, I thought new Jack was around. No, it
was Eric Bischoff's music. What are we doing that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
The camera work too, you know, we're trying to follow
what's happening, and the camera work was not good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
They almost missed it. King spot too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Fast for the cameraman to get the spots, Like they
were moving too quick, you know, instead of like how
W too slow? Now pretty much to make sure everything
is situated, you know, WW did too quick and you
almost admit you really miss Kanyon standing up. Yeah, the
announcers weren't reacting to it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I only saw him running with DDP for the Diamond Cutter.
I didn't see him do anything else before that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yep. So, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Keanyon is now a member of the New Blood. He
tears the shirt off and reveals he's got a New
Blood shirt on. It's like, oh my god, this can't
Why would he join the group that almost paralyzed in
my month earlier? And then he puts DDP on a
stretcher and Mike Awsome puts him into the ambulance for
the win, and there's that. Kenyon later says that like
Eric Bischoff told him, like, hey, man, if you want

(01:12:43):
to be a star, you go take ddp out. So
it's like, wait a second, did he fake the that
was the whole cage thing fake? Was that not real?
Did he not really get hurt or did he really
get hurt? Or make this miraculous comeback and then join
the guy he tossed him off the cage like, I
don't understan Dan, It's just bad storytelling.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
So he was in the hospital because he said Eric
Kischoff was the guy who visited him the most, So
apparently it was real.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
But he was hurt, but he so hurt, but he
taked that he what just just again, this is when
we talk about we don't want swerves for the sake
of swerves. They have to make sense. And it's a
swerve city right here, not not a swerve, swerve Strickland.
That's a good swerve. These are the many bad ones,

(01:13:32):
many many, many, many bad ones. And speaking of many
many many, there are many, many, many options to choose
from when discussing the worst match of the night. Nick,
I got a list, but I'll start with you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I did add a couple of honorable mentions. I have
three total, because I wanted to God to parse it
down A little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah, not be here all day talking about how bad
this show was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
My honorable mentions one was the well be the worst match,
but I put it in my honorable mention of the
Asylum match, the handicap Asylum match with Scott and Ritt.
And another one was the Human Towards match with Stanton Vanpiro.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
That was the honorable mention. Oh man, what was the
all right? So hold on, hold on, let's talk about
Let's talk about the Asylum match real quick, since we
both had have it as an honorable mention. Uh, this
is what one?

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
For? One, the Asylum match is supposedly Scott Steiner's specialty
match apparently since win don't know. Uh. And then as
the before the match begins technically because Abbot, Yes, Scott's
standers a tank Abbot in Scott Steiner's match, but he's
with Medaja and Shakira too, you know, the super freaks

(01:14:49):
as they're called.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
But before the part of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
I mean, I mean probably not lying there, but before
they lowered this cylinder cage into the ring that's like
a tiny cylinder rick Steiner is added to the match
and making it a handicap match. So he's joining up
with Tank Abbot to go againt Scott Steiner. So even
though this looks like the Lions, then from WWF, it's

(01:15:16):
Scott Steiner's match. But Rick and Tank they've taken it
to Scott beating him up really good. And then tank
Abbot is like, hey, let's let's beat him up some more.
I'm gonna pull out a chain because this is a
cage match, this is an asylum match. We agreed to
beat this guy up. We're gonna beat him up as
bad as we can. But now Rick all of a

(01:15:37):
sudden has a conscience. He had just he had agreed
to face his brother that's already crossing a line. And
in the midst of the match, he dropped an elbow
on his brother's growing and even Mark Maddens like, I
don't think I've ever seen that before, you know, brother
doing that to another brother, and like he don't care

(01:15:59):
about his nieces and nephews. But yet he don't make
my bro bleed. Bro, that's too far. We ain't gotta
take it that that far. Yeah, I elbowed him in
the growing, but like, we ain't got to use chains.
We ain't gotta do that that that's too far. We're
fighting your brother. Not only are you fighting him, you
joined someone else to do it. They was stomping them out.

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Tank Abbot mistakenly hits Rick Steiner with the chain Scott's
I mean, I guess who cares? Scott then beats up
Tank rather quickly, really quickly, rather quickly, and picks up
the wind. Complete garbage is what I called it. So yeah,
I had another I had a couple honible mentions, but

(01:16:46):
I'll let you go to You said, was the other one?
You said, uh?

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
My other one was the human torch match. Okay, So
by the way, tack Abbot, you could he could be
er right? You see that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
No, no, no, take Abbitt wasn't like muscular face. Okay.
I didn't get a good enough look at him to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
So I always thought that. I was like, who does
he remind me of?

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
All?

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Like as a kid, I'm like, oh my god, like fully.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
It looks like mankind.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
So love.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
That, dude, love gimmick.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Oh have mersey. We need a mercy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
We also need a mercy after a best of five?

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Is that your worst tablet?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Or best of ten or nine?

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
So this is your worst? Right? This is your worst,
all right, so let's talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
It all encompassing crap.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I do have it as an honorable mentioned one. My
worst is the human torch. We'll talk about that in
a second. But we got to talk about the best
of five table match. Question mark.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Even the commentators are like, all right, the first one
to go through nine tables when.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
All right, let's catch let's catch everybody up. Shane Douglas
versus Sergeant A Wall slashed the wall. I think he's
the wall again, right, I think he's just the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
That's right, Sergeant.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
He's in the miss misfits in action, which we'll talk
about them more garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Factions the wall and he was he dyed his hair black.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yes, But they was supposed to have a good old
fashioned tables match. You know, just put a guy through
a table, you know it's over. That's it. No, Shane
Douglas said, how about we up the annie? For at
first he says he makes fun of Rick Flair and
other people, But then how about we up the Annie
and make it a best of five tables match? And

(01:18:51):
the announcers immediately got this confused and said, well, damn,
they got to break five tables to win, and it's like, well,
that's not a best of five, sir, that's the best
of nine. Okay. A best of five is the first
to three, okay. Like like was the first round of
the Baseball Division Series best of three, or the first

(01:19:13):
one it used to be. The first round of the
NBA playoffs two were best of five, and now every
round of the basketball and every round of hockey is
best of seven, which is first to four wins. It's
like we're doing right now in the Stanley Cup Final
and the NBA Finals, both of those are best of
sevens a best of the best of five those first
to three. But they said, yeah, put them through five tables.

(01:19:34):
That's not the best of five, that's the best of nine, okay.
But then after Shane Douglas went through two tables in
like rapid succession, that's when they were, oh, actually no,
it's it's best of three.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
You have to go through three, okay, Okay, he has
to go through three, and then out of nowhere they
can be fight near a ladder and three tables that
are stacked on top of each other.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Shane Douglas apparently just set this up before the A match.
Nobody saw it nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Knew he gets on the right side of the ladder. Okay, well,
I guess I'll get on this side there and I'll
climb up and beat You didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Count the tables. Oh, I ain't climbing up there. I
know that's bait. That's bait. That's all you have to say.
That's bait. Bro I ain't going up there. There's three tables.
I need three to lose. No, but what did the
wall do?

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Couldn't push the ladder over or something to get Shane.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
He climbed up with Shane, and Shane punched him one
good time and Wall fell through.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
The three tables, almost.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Overshot them, which would have been terrible. But he falls
through all three tables. And that's how Shane Douglas wins.
That's how he beats the wall. Doesn't put him through
three separate tables and put him through three tables at once.
I put what a disgrace this was. The crowd didn't care.
No one got over. Everybody looks stupid. What is wrong

(01:21:03):
with this? This terrible and the wall? I guess you
gotta keep his heat. He choked, slams a rat.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Through the other table.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
By the way, they whoop bro.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Listen, that table was set up right near the ladder,
and so the Wall couldn't just shove the ladder over
and have Shane go through that table and win the match.
He had to climb the ladder, beat Shane to fight
with him, just to go through three tables. Nothing made sense.
Everything was so bad, and the announce I felt bad
for the announcers too, because it's like, yeah, trying to

(01:21:35):
convey to the viewer at home, the stupidity of what
we're seeing is probably really really hard, so bad, so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Shout out to Shane Douglas in the wall rest of
the wall, by the way, Yes, but talented people just
with terrible, terrible stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Listen Shane Douglas his pre match promo, he calls all
the Baltimore fans pieces of shit, but then he the
wall a piece of crap, Like, oh, I guess he's
scared of the wall a little bit. Maybe it made
me laugh just the way Shane changed from when he
had he left ECW to go to w CW, and Uh,
it was just very very funny how I thought the

(01:22:16):
highest of him when he was at ECW, because I
was like, damn, that's Shane Douglas, the franchise and just
how he looked in w CW made him such such
a turd thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Hey, everybody got all that mouth until they got bills
to pay.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
It's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
When when you you know, when you're trying to get
that money, it's like, oh, I'm good. But like before that,
it's like, ah, they stink. I would never do that.
I would never compromise this and compromise that. And then
they compromise.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
But at the at the expense of his mic skills,
you know, like I was just like e c W man,
he has the franchise, he was his promos were fire
and now look here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
The only fire we got was from the human Torch match,
which was my worst match of the night because this
was another disgrace in my opinion, what are we doing here?
What is this for? One? WWF has already set somebody
on fire. They've done it at least once by this
point with the Inferno match, and they had which one

(01:23:15):
before they that's all thinking too. I think they had
another one after that. But even still, it was a
more spectacular visual because the ring was surrounded by fire,
and it was also kind of Canees thing with fire,
so it kind of made storyline sense and it looked spectacular. Now,
granted it's hella dangerous. They haven't done it in well,

(01:23:37):
I guess since twenty twenty. Remember the whole burning bray
Wyatt in the ring Remember that? Yeah, that was garbage,
But they haven't done it in a while. But again,
it was a more spectacular visual by two thousand and
it was kind of Cane's thing. But here we are
in WSW and it's not the ring. The fire isn't
surrounded by the ring is surrounded by fire, and said,

(01:23:58):
it's just a torch that's on the stage that's eventually repelled.
Oh and I guess not repelled but brought up to
the top of the stage by Sting. But again, the
objective is to set your opponent on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah, where does Vampiro come with fire? Where does Sting
come with fire?

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Why is it? Why is this?

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Just just know they eventually fight in the ring, they
fight on top of the stage. They climb up halfway sing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Downs in gasoline by the way apparently, of course, of course,
but they climb up a little bit and then Sting
falls off the side of the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
He falls from like maybe ten fifteen feet up and
no one cared. The crowd didn't react, the announcers barely reacted.
What a waste, And then Sting just shakes it off
and climbs again.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
What I just what? That's what I'll know that first drop.
They're like, Okay, the match is over. No, he's not
on fire, bro like that. We were specifically told whoever
gets lit on fire loses, So why do that again?

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Why do that spot? I don't do that spot? That
should be the end of the match. Every other time
I've seen that the match is over. When Shane fell
off the side of the sham, McMahon fell off the
side of the stage and was a Summer Slam or
Backlash whatever. I think both of those shows, that was
the final spot of the match. Instead thing just ugh man,
what a tough fa exprushes himself off and let me

(01:25:33):
climb back up again, like what? And then when they
get there, that's when the lights start flickering. They start
putting on a light show because you know, it's it's
super cool, but in reality is to hide the fact
that they have a stunt double up there to replace
the Sting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
By the way they were up there way too long
with the light splashing. I thought it would be like,
you know, like maybe a thirty second thing. They were
up there for like three or four minutes with the
light splashing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Terrible, terrible event. Actually, Vampiro gets his hands in the
torch and sets quote unquote Sting on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Oh my god, that's fire.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
But you can clearly see. Well, for one, they take
this real wide shot so you can't clearly see that
it's not Sting. But after he's on fire, they then
shoot close and like from from the ground, the stunt
double taking the fall off the stage, and you can
clearly see it's not Sting and he's doing like a

(01:26:29):
stunt double type of move to fall. It's just like,
what are we doing? And then he hits the stage
and it's clearly padded, and it's just like, oh oh,
and hell with this bro. And the announcers go, oh
my god, Steve Borden. It's Steve Burdon, y'all. They tried

(01:26:55):
to force himself to be appalled. And then Mark Maddens
goofy ass, and I'll say, we never could have thought
this could happen. Get out, Get out the stadium, Get
out the areada right now. You never thought it could
have happened. Brother, it's a human torch match. And again
somebody's been set on fire and wrestling already. Where have
you been? Where have you been?

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Tony said it. He's like, I don't think anyone wants
to watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
He was right, boy, He has a way of saying
accurate things in the midst of the show somehow. And
then the line of the night or I guess not
to believe the line of the night. But Scott Hudson
after the the aftermath, they're trying to, you know, put
Sting out with the fire extinguishers again quote unquote Sting,
and Scott Hudson goes, we'll just watch Steve Borden kill himself.

(01:27:50):
What Who thought that was the line? For one? No,
we didn't. What are you talking about? Nobody said he
was moving?

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I need the ground, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
And even still like it's very plausible that he could
easily not be dead from that, like, yeah, the fire
were burned, but the foger put him out like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
And they were sprayed him quite quite a long time too.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Look clearly clearly a long time, taking extra precautions with it.
But you know, even if you did think you saw
someone just pass away in front of you, in front
of thousands of people. We're just gonna move on after that.
I mean, I guess WWF did it, so I guess

(01:28:45):
ws W could do it too. But man, well, what
a disgrace.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Guess how many replays they showed?

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Like ten?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
I counted on them. There were five, but it felt
like ten.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Oh my god, replays from new angles? Yeah, yeah, it
was ridiculous. How they're selling this being like the worst
thing ever. They're like, oh oh we got to watch this.
Oh okay, well look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Like, well, look at it again? Oh oh, here it comes,
there's the fire. Oh oh he's falling the gain. Oh,
we apologize to the Bordon family.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Here's a different angle.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Well there's a new angle in case the Bordon family
needs an evidence when they sue us. A man, wilds
what a disgrace, a disgrace. But my last honorable mention
before we got out of this terrible, terrible category has
to be the main event. Bro, we haven't talked about
the main event yet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Well that's on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Okay, all right, well that's my honorable mention. So where
do you have the main event falling in your nowhere. Okay,
well let's talk about it now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Then I do have a portion of it, And yes,
I don't know if I guess it would be a
wrestling happening, but I think the story more about the story.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Yes, I thought about doing the same thing. I thought
about doing the same thing and making pretty much go burks.
He'll turn the worst non wrestling happening. But there were
worse things in the show, surprisingly that I will talk about.
But the match itself w W World Heavyweight Championship Jeff
Jared defending against Kevin Nash. Jeff Jared is a member
of the New Blood. Right, he's a member of the
New Blood. Kevin Nash is a member of the Millionaire's Club,

(01:30:30):
and because the new Blood is running the show, Ernest
Akat Miller, also a member of the New Blood, brings
out the Filthy animals, who will talk about again later on.
But they're the Fifthy. They are members of the New
Blood and they're here to help Jeff Jared, and boy
do they ever because there is so so much interference

(01:30:52):
and not like in a good way, where like Wrestlmingia forty,
where the story kind of cater to. That's all these
characters that were kind of a part of this long
overarching story for many years. This was except the Undertaker,
but he was even he was like a last minute replacement,
you know, kind of deal. But instead we could just
get random stuff, just random people. This is what we

(01:31:13):
talk about overbook mess. This is what we're talking about,
not wrestling any of forty when it makes sense, this
is what we're talking about. We have the Fifthy Animals.
It's four members of the Filthy Animals. By the way,
we got Conan, Raymond Steria unmasked overall wearing Raymond Stereo okay,
and yes, overall shirtless underneath Tommy He'll figure overalls, Hooven Tuguarero,
who thinks he's the Rock at this point. He does

(01:31:37):
the people's elbow in the midst of this. And if
you watch w around his time, he pretty much stole
the rocks whole flow to make fun of him, I guess,
but like he did, that's what he was doing around
his time, and we got that to mention Conan already. Oh,
we got Billy Kidman as a part of this too,
to start the fifty Animals. Oh, Disco Disco with a
Q yes by the way, not with not d I

(01:32:00):
CEO ds QO. Because we're in two thousand and Cisco
is the biggest artist in the world, arguably because of
the song Song and Drew Hill before that. Don't forget,
got Drew Hill, and don't forget. If you're out there
doing your exercises, get your Drew Hills in. I don't
know if you know what the Drew Hills are, nick,
but go watch some It's a dance. It's actually a

(01:32:22):
dance that Drew Hill would do. But people are black people,
at least on the internet. Love my folks. Turn it
into an exercise. Get you jew Hills in. So just
get to jew Hills in if you need to get
some exercise. And but so we got four members of
the Filthy Animals. We also got Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner
and Tank Abbot all involved, all fighting, right. But this

(01:32:47):
is all leading to the arrival of Goldberg. So let's
rewind a little bit. Goldberg came back recently and seemingly
joined the Millionaire's Club. He side by side with Kevin
Nash and Eric Bischoff all night. It's like, keep Goldberg
out of the building. There's a heavy police presence outside,
and there's a monster truck and it's Goldberg's monster truck

(01:33:10):
and he's feasibly driving it, terrorizing W's w week after week,
right every week he's just driving through Now with a
regular car. He just has this monster truck in every city,
which that's not street legal. You can't just drive around
with monster trucks on the street. You get pulled over
so fast. But there's Goldberg heavy police presence. No one's

(01:33:30):
getting let in except Hawk Cogan with his Boa and
Rick Flair with his family.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Hawcokin driving like that? How could he see.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
At night in the boa and on in the car.
But those are the only two people we see get
through the police blockade or perimeter they've set up outside
the arena. But in the midst of this match, not
only does Goldberg get through, he drives this monster truck
straight into the arena. How did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Oh my goodness, even though there's cops out there all
night trying to prevent him from doing but inevitably Goldberg
stands in the ring. He sees Jeff Jared, he sees
Kevin Nash. Everybody thinks he's gonna spare Jeff Jared and
Wham he spears, Kevin Nash Swerve and Mark Madden. How
annoying yell surprise awful? You're gonna yell surprise, Yeah, surprise,

(01:34:29):
Oh so you knew? Shut up again, Shut up. Let
the people enjoy the moments of the actual surprise, the
shock and awe. I just don't remember heel announcers ever
doing that. They would be shocked right along with it,
or they'd celebrate the happening. They're along for the ride,

(01:34:50):
along with you, so they're like, oh, this is terrible
or yay, either one, but they're gonna surprise. Just shut up,
except like three times.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
The only time that works is when like Bobby Heenon
did it when Hawk turned on w CW, like that
was it. He's like, I told you, I told you right,
that works. Mark Madden again, tried too hard to be
Bobby Heenen.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Tried too hard to be cool, tried too hard to
be in the know with the smart quote unquote smart fans,
and that didn't work back then, and it still wouldn't
work now. Bro, It's just garbage. And then we get
Tony Shavanni's he said, I don't know what to say nothing, Tony,
don't say anything, bro, it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
And then I will say the crowd was louded off
to where you didn't really have to just let the
crowd tell the story.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah, and they started throwing stuff in the ring too.
They taken it. They got some heat. I guess it did.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
And I swear and I wrote this in my notes.
I guarantee you the stuff being thrown in the ring.
Bischoff and Vince Rusilver were like.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Oh, we hit it, one hundred percent. They did. Go
Burg the same thing. He was ended up on a
turn buckle, going, yeah, keep throwing it, even though people
were leaving, still keep throwing it. And they were. They
were the ring filled up with trash. I'm sure they
thought they hit the jackpot. They pulled off a caper
with this one. We did it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Funny thing is there's a difference when Halcoka does it
to start ridiculously hot wrestling angle that was already hot
kind of but joining it, versus people that are just
fed up with wcws.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Right, we're done, we're done, it's over. You killed the town.
The announcers up beside themselves and then some I figure,
who said it? What does this mean for the future
of w CW. What future?

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
What's gonna happen on night show tomorrow night?

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
What future? What future? So that's what I had to
for the worst matches of the night. So let's move on.
It was a long it's a long list of matches.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
I don't think we're gonna unless we watch another WCW
show with this era, we're not gonna spend as much time, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Oh my god, just one disgraceful showing after another.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Plenty of others we could have chosen from as well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Yes there are more, there are more, but let's go
to our somewhat of a positive here. What's your top
non wrestling happening from Great American Bash?

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
The funniest moment on the show?

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
These two man the Mama Lukes. Yes, agreed, you're gonna
be facing chronic to established once and for all. Who
the w c W Tag team top contenders are gonna be? Gentlemen,
you're talking to me, Geno? Are you talking to here?
And make up your mind? Come on, Michael phone, listen.
We've been beating up Stu Got's bigger a chronic down

(01:37:44):
at the county jail, right, We ain't got that time
for this kind of interview. All right, we got things
to do, all right, And besides that, I don't sweat
nobody because I'm the hardcore champion of w c W.
You got it. That's a nice time president of the
County Jail. Wait a minute, you are the hardcore champion.
This is question? What about that? Let's come on, good question. Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
I enjoy the whole thing, but that final part is
what puts it over at the top.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
For me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
It is the top, not wrestling happening.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Yeah, that's one hundred percent the same thing I had
ask your question over here. For one, the Mama Luke's
just every Italian stereotype imagineable. Me and Jane is clearly
talking to somebody. He's talking to I think he's talking
to Veto. Clearly he's talking to one person. And then Bull,
Johnny the bull goes, you're talking to me, you're talking
to him, he's talking to the other guy. Clearly, what

(01:38:48):
are you talking about? But of course, because you know
they're tying, you're talking to me like, hey, forget about it.
That's the whole thing, that's the whole promo. It's just
every Italian stereotype. Hey, head about it. You're talking to
me about the bang bout the boom? Forget about it?
And that was the promo. That was the promo, and
that was the gimmick. Hey oh yeah, he really leaned

(01:39:14):
into it. Oh Jesus, did that defend you as an
Italian American?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
And it made me laugh my ass off.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
I'm crying.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
I was crying. I was like, it was like, thank
god this happened, because I can put a top non
wrestling happening in this format.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
Oh my god, the damn mama, Luke's just what's the gimmick?
The Italian that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
And apparently Johnny the Bull was Hardcore champion, but Big
Vito was wearing the title and he was wearing the
title ord of the match and so ridiculously, like the
ridiculousness that's entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
And yes, look I got I got more on that
match in a little bit, but yes, just aggressively. It's Italian,
both of them, mamooks. Hey uh yeah, so we are
in agreement on that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
But like he was talking like like gend Oklin the
whole time until that, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Right, why it was so funny. Uh, let's move on
to worst non wrestling happening. What do you have here? Good?

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Second, I did have the Goldberg keel turn in general, Yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Literally a month later he was faced again. Ridiculous, terrible.
I think that he was supposed to give Nash a
jackhammer because he was like trying to like about to
pull him up or like telling Nash to get up
and put his hand up. I was like, no, no,
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
I'm gonna say I'm not gonna take that bump. So
I'm just gonna lie here and I'll sell your spear.
I'll sell your spear the rest of the time. And yeah,
I thought that was kind of funny. I noticed that,
and that's when I mentioned the fans start garbage in
the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
No doubt convinced Russo and Bischoff that it was the
right call at that moment, and I'm sure heading into
the next night they're like, oh, yeah, here we go.
Clearly did not work out, because I also remember logging
on to see like the results or whatever, and I'm like,
oh my god, they did it because they were like roomors.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
There's always rumors on.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Message boards, and you know, back then, like everyone was
always saying, oh, Austin shitteerned heel. Austin should turn heel
when the rock was like super popular, the rock shud
turn heel. That actually happened, you know, ninety eight, but uh,
you know, just stuff like that, and it's like nobody
really thought I'll work whatever, turn heel because he was
still like the most popular person in WCW.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Yeah, one of the main reasons to watch was Goldberg, and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
You know, they did it and I was just like, oh, well,
let's see how they messed this up. Because there's no
doubt in my mind that the live audience didn't like it.
I will say they were watching this back it seemed
like it was getting heat, you know, but again it
I think time would tell that it was more like
the all right, we're out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Yeah, you can't take away everybody's heroes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Right, yeah exactly. You know, like we don't want to
like Nash Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Right, and the hero can't be Hogan, right, yeah, exactly,
you can't be Hogan. That can't be the hero at
this point.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
So yeah, I did. I had another one, which part
of it's funny, but part of it's not. I think
the end of the opener, when.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Oh that's what I got That's that's me right there.
That's what I'm going to worst non wrestling happening is
everything with pops from the Misfits of Action, a Misfits
in Action. So let's let's talk about who the hell
the Misfits and Action are from one. Like again, I
was watching this and I was thinking, like, man, this

(01:42:54):
is stupid. But in hindsight, it's even worse. In hindsight,
it wasn't that bad when I was eleven, it's even
worse now. But the Misfits in Action, like there's some
humorous which is no pun intended humorous militant group but
not really militant. It's a bunch of goofballs. And that
group is.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
With it everything in W and w W he did
in to be this was the Camo.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
It's pretty much. But we got the leader of the
Misfits and Action is humorous, but not humorous. It's Hugh
g Rection.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Get it, Oh, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Huge grection. Excuse me. But the other members. We got
Lieutenant Loco, his Lieutenant Loco because he's you know, of
Latin descent, so not lieutenant crazy Lieutenant Loco. That's Chavo Guerrero.
We got yeah, you know him. He needs pain and punishment.

(01:43:59):
But then this night he was loco, Yes he was.
We also have Major Stash formerly Private Stash now Major Stash.
That is Van Hammer. We got usually used to have
Sergeant A Wall the Wall. We also have corporal Occasion
Lash LaRue. Remember Lash LaRue with his l sideburns.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was neat.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
I did too. When I was.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
So, I was like starting to grow pichel hair and
I was like, oh, I wish I could do that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
We want to do good an n on your face
looked like a new balanced sneaker.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
I was like, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Can't wait till my hair grows in so I oh
do uh shapes like that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Corporal Occasion Lash And lastly we got Major Guns two
Ends and Guns who was of course played by Tyleen
buck from She was a nitro or n W a
girl something like that but.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
I don't know. But she was also and another industry
as well well.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Yeah, in the adult entertainment industry as they call it,
remember the filthy animals too. Unfortunately, terrible factions in ws
w uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Everyone there was nobody, nobody like set themselves apart, like
everyone had to be it was somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
It's like ninety seven w w F. We had gang
rules right, and we got the filthy Animals, which is
like the hip hoppers of ws W, the young hip
group with Conan and Ray Mysterio and Hoovey and Billy
Kidman and Tigris remember Tigris, Yeah, uh, and and Disco Inferno,

(01:45:43):
who was shed Disco. Now they've brought him into the
I guess to two thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
He's a hip hopper now. And like we said earlier,
he's disco with a Q, not with a C because
of Cisco, former front man of Drew Hill now solo artist,
and the Thong song was the biggest song going at
this point.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
He was also an actor Cisco. Yeah, he was in
the movie Get Over It. I knew he looked familiar.
I looked him up. I watched that. I watched that.
It was on one of the streaming platforms, and I
remember watching it as a teen and not the hitters,
but I watched it like on one of the movie channels,

(01:46:28):
and it was like such the quintessential robcom for teen
type thing like high schoolers whatever. And I watched it
a couple months ago on one of those shuttles. I
was like, wait, like, what was that Cisco and I
looked it up, but it was he was in the
movie Get Over It.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
It was I've never seen that, and I don't intend
on watching that anytime soon. But yes, terrible factions, Disco
infronto wrestling, and a Kobe jersey Kobe Bryant number eight.
It's just so happened though. This was the day of
Game three of the NBA Finals that year. The Lakers
were playing the Pacers and lost that day. But yeah,
they're playing the Pacers, who are also in the NBA

(01:47:06):
Finals right now, up to one on the Oklahoma City Thunder.
But the Lakers back in two thousand, they beat the
Pacers in six games, So there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
That was the Pacers beat the Sixers of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
I believe, Yes, I believe in the first round, first round. Yeah,
that was it. That was the tough loss.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
I think it was five games, wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
I think so? Yeah, And then they came back to
next year and beat the Pacers in the first game. Yeah,
on the way to the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
In the first year, I think it was four games
or seven games, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Oh no, I think that was the last year of
the five game I think I.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Think other one where they beat the Pacers.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Yeah, I think that was the last year of the
five game series in the first round, but also went
on to lose with the Lakers in the NBA Finals.
So there's that. But we start the match with terrible, terrible,
terrible pro This should have been in contention for worse
non wrestling happening. I mean it was misfits up there
where at the beginning, Uh, we get you know, huge

(01:48:01):
direction talk talking and then Chavo Guerrero pulls out a
grenade to make a genital's joke that did not land,
and then you grabs the grenades like you gotta put
this away up where does he toss it? Is it real?
What are we doing here? And then Chavo just says, hey,
I'm gonna kill you. What if anybody gets involved?

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
I kill you?

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Okay, super intimidating, Lieutenant Loco. I'd kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
She tried the human towards match man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Look, jes he was trying to keep his job. Brother,
He's doing the best he can, is the best he could.
I kill you. I just like didn't sound intimidating at all.
But the end of the match. The match itself was
fine for whatever it was, but the end of the
match things get stupid because it's Vince Russo booking, so
that miss bentson Action. Have this old guy that hangs

(01:48:58):
out with him named Pops. Don't know why he's there
to be huge of father, her grandfather, I guess, but
his name is Pops. And he comes out and he
hits on Tigris and then he filthy animals like, hey,
she's with us, leave her alone, d d and then
Conan kind of shoves him a little bit, and then

(01:49:19):
Pops grabs his chest and falls down totally as if
he had a heart attack, and he's out. He doesn't
move so feasibly he is at least in the process
of dying, if not currently dead. This is two people
on the show who could have died or may have died.

(01:49:43):
Donna kill a guy didn't know it's gonna be his
own homie. He didn't account for that. But we had
a person set on fire and we have an older
gentleman suffering a heart attack right in front of us.
So the referee is I mean obviously distracted because there's
a person that could potentially be deceased at the ringside

(01:50:07):
called your standing and looking at him. His mouth is
gaved open, and it is like, is he dead? Is
he alive? I'm not gonna check him. Meanwhile, while the
referee is back his turn Shenanigan's happens. The thing is, though,
the referee tries to look back a little bit to
see what's happening behind him, right, and then he turns

(01:50:32):
around way too soon because when he turns around, you
can see lash LaRue still in the ring after he
didn't put a move on Disco and he's putting Lieutenant
Loco on top of Disco to pick up the wind.
And the referee sees this and nothing happens. Uh. The
animals jump in Andy continue to beating whatever, but Pops

(01:50:54):
is still down at ringside. No one has helped this
man conscious at least probably dead, right, but who who?
You know? He's still lying there. We may may not
have gone to the upper room by now, but who
is Do you have a doctor in the house? Can
anybody save this man? Who is the one person who

(01:51:15):
could save Pops from potentially traveling to the upper room?
Of course it's major Guns, duh, she's certified a CPR.
Oh wait, no, she's not. She just stood over his
body and then commences to dance and tears her shirt
off over what could be a dead body.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
This is watching from above.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
And no, he'd rather be in his soul still in it,
be in his body.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
That's Major Guns standing over room. He trying to get
his soul snatched again all over again. But this is
you can tell this is only written by a man
who's just apparently just not around women, only sees women

(01:52:12):
as sex objects. Her only job is to be sexy.
And she stands over him and then she gets down
and gives him mouth to mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
After rip her shirt off, by the way shirt off
before she starts.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
She gives him mouth to mouth, and I wrote this
is horrible. It also took forever. She had to do
this like three.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Times after the delay of starting everything where they were
standing over his body for like two minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
This took so long. And then he eventually wakes up.
He shakes a little bit in any way, and the
moment he comes to consciousness, the moment he regains consciousness,
he immediately grabs Major Guns and tries to assault it.
He's a creep right away. And this is played for laughs.
I hated every second though, and I wrote the treatment

(01:53:04):
of women overall, and the show wasn't great with DDP
called a one interview or a bimbo, and Vince Russo's
through the mic and her face because she did ask
a wild question though. She was like I'm wont team
Rick Flair woo and he was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Like whoa, Like not even a question?

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
You still like he's supposed to be an objective observer,
but they still didn't treat women very well. He talking
about Kimberly like that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Yeah, Vince Rousseau called Charlotte a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Yeah, yes, she's a fourteen year old, she's a teenager.
They called it the whole family. Yeah, that's crazy, bro.
I did think it was funny when they raided the
Flair's mansion. I thought that was kind of funny me personally.
But yeah, that was another disgrace. And hey, I'm sorry, bro,

(01:53:51):
it was terrible, horrible, but yes, that was my worst
non wrestling happening, what about you, sir?

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
But yeah, was the goldkial turn.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Okay, we we talked about that. A couple of notes
that I missed from the Uh, well, I guess I'll
talk about it. I do have a hitting gym. We
did talk about the Veto and Johnny the Bull promo.
I will talk about the match as a hidden.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Jealous thinking about it, but the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Match, it's not really a gym. But also they're kind
of using the freebird rule and a hardcore title and
a singles title. I don't know. Then they brought up
County Jail and Vito has County Jail on his shirt.
It's weird. And then Mark Maddens just saying anything said
the Mamlukes are like the most underrated tag team in

(01:54:41):
WSW history. It's like, again, shut up, bro, are you serious.
Veto wrestled with the belt on. Like you said earlier,
he's too really too occupied with that he and that's
what gets the beat. Brian Adams hid like an F
five at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
I don't know if you noticed that. That was that
was a rough landing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
It was kind of a rough landing. But I was like, oh,
that looks like I had five. But yeah, that was
that was it. I mean, they chronic did their the finish.
They called it the High Time get it haa uh,
and then yeah, they took forever to do it, but
eventually landed it and that was the that was it.

(01:55:24):
So yeah, that's what I had for a hitting gym.
You said you didn't have any No, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
I can't. There's nothing there that I could be like, hey,
watch the show, just watch this on this show. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
That's that's that's fair. I get you. I get it.
I understand random thoughts. I'll get this kick started off
w's W was giving away a inflatable raft, the Hawk
Cogan inflatable raft. At one point that was weird. Uh,
what a strange thing to give you, Cable Bill. Yeah,
and you might get an inflatable raft in the mail.

(01:56:00):
I hope you like going kayaking, I guess or rafting.
I don't know. Book of T, oh no, not Book
of T. G I bro.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
Here's the thing. Booker T had been g I bro
before when he first broke into the business years and
years ago. He eventually became Book of T. Instead of
making a lot more money. Vince Big Vince Russo now
vicebik Man. Vince Russo said, be g I bro, Well,
I guess Booker T. I think I saw somewhere as
Booker T. I book a T's idea too. I don't know.

(01:56:34):
No matter whose idea was, it was a bad one.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
I don't know. I don't know. Because was the Booker
T in a position too? Did he think he was
in a position to say no to anything? Probably not,
probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
The thing is he was book of T again by
next month, and he wins the world title at Bash of.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
The Beach figure, which we have covered by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
We have covered that, but like so bizarre, but g
I Bro zip lines from the rafters. He had to
put a little extra work to get all the way
down though. Stuck in mid air, he throws legs up
a little bit like come on, now, let's get down there,
Let's come on. He also hit the ring and got

(01:57:18):
pyro like. They put some production behind Gi Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
But there was like for nothing because there wasn't anything marketed.
They weren't marketing anything outside of w W with it.
It wasn't like an action figures, it wasn't anything. It
was just just it was just his character, Booker T.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
By the way, it never had a military background. So
but yeah, ga Bro, because it rhunds with Joe Okay,
Sean Stasiac his opponent on this night. I didn't know
that he essentially became mister perfect. I forgot about this. Yeah,
perfect Sean, Perfect Sean, and he pretty much had mister
perfect theme music too, which was like, what are we doing? No,

(01:58:06):
he's the son of stan Stasiac, but let's make him Kirhennick.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Was what was this better or was meat better? When
he was meat?

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
I almost said something that was gonna get me a pause,
but uh, two sentences I popped in my head. But
I'll say, in this particular, if you're giving me perfect
Sean or meat, I think meat with the better giving
because at least it's his. It's original sort of perfect

(01:58:42):
Sean is not mister perfect. You even said perfect and
promo before the match, get out of here. That was terrible.
Almost every match had interference, which was just like I
know that's been through so stuffed, but like, come on,
bro Jesus and the announcers they were just like, oh,

(01:59:02):
it's the relaxed rules of the New Blood. It's like, no,
it's just been Russo in the creative team being lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Amen in September ninety nine, so it got September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, June.
This is his tenth month, and we're still getting like.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
This crap relaxed rules. Huh, so many war references. During
the boot camp match, they said that this was g
I Bros.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
D Day and he stormed the beach of w CW
Mark Madden, Mark Madden one.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
More time for the road. Shut up, bro, you can't
do that. There are people who actually did that and
they died.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Real Cots stands Sean Stasiac and a boot camp match
is his D Day?

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
No, it's not. D Day was back in nineteen was
at nineteen forty four and people died. They stormed the
beaches in Normandy and they gave their lives book. He
had a wrestling match one of seven thousand people in More,
Why do we do this? And it's and it's you know,
obviously wrestling is always kind of trivialized war. And it's

(02:00:07):
really tough to watch now because what's going Just look
outside and see what's going on right now overseas between
Iran and Israel and be like war. No, no, it's not good.
So it's tough to hear now. Obviously there's no way
to know about this back in two thousand, but it's
just like God trivialization of war back in those days

(02:00:29):
was wild hawk. Hogan and Rick Flair arrived more than
an hour into the show. I guess order trying to
copy what WWF was doing when they had their wrestlers
show up during the show, which I also thought was stupid.
Thing was a good idea to show with a rock
walking in at nine forty five. He can't show up

(02:00:51):
on time for work, apparently, so why do it in
your promotion? It doesn't make any sense. You see now WWE,
when they start the show, they show the wrestlers walking in,
not during the show, but hours before the show, because
that's what professionals do. Patrick Mahomes shows up hours ahead
of the super Bowl. Jalen Hurts shows up hours ahead
of the super Bowl, not during the super Bowl, Like

(02:01:16):
can you imagine? Like it doesn't make any sense. But Hogan,
he's got his boa on, which I don't know. He's
got his gear, all his gear on. For one, he's
got a but he's got yeah, black and white, he's
back in black and white, but he's got a boa.
This is the first time he wore the boa, don't
I don't think so. This is definitely one of the

(02:01:36):
first time because he wasn't doing it when he's in
the nWo right, I don't remember that at all.

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
I thought he did in ninety eight or ninety nine,
but might be wrong. But yeah, it was funny because
he went back to the red and yellow in like
August ninety nine and now he's all he's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
Back switching it up. Before this, he was his all
black and like jeans. He had the f U NB
on his in his back.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
Boy sign of the crowd. For that, the real H.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Man, you must have rapped my mind. That was my
next my next random thought, the real Triple H Hollywood
halk Cogan. Who did Hogan pay this guy to hold
up that sign?

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Or did he make it himself? Which is worse because sir,
you are in de lulu land right now in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
I don't think anyone was like wanting to be the
real Triple H.

Speaker 3 (02:02:30):
At this point.

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
I mean, but he was the guy though up he
was a championeah, but I mean but Steph for like,
nobody was even closer that though right like he was
the he was. This is either my Triple H's peak
It was probably two thousand, so it is outrageous and
My last random thought was that we did get an
ad for Bash at the Beach, which eventually became a
show so controversial it got his own episode of Dark

(02:02:54):
Side of the Ring, so it wasn't that dark, but
you know, stupid stuff was afoot werefoots uh? Nick? Your
random thoughts?

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
This WCW logo man brutal, the worst, the worst. Barely
make out it was WCW. I've read somebody on Reddit
said that they didn't realize it spelled out WCW until
like way later because they thought it was kind of
like a logo based on Goldberg's tattoo. It was like,
you know, just kind of like the mean age of

(02:03:26):
w CW.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
Was I that it was? I guess it was difficult
to see, but even as a kid, I saw the
C in there.

Speaker 2 (02:03:34):
I mean I did that. It was terrible. No, I agree,
the Nitro set was terrible, terrible. I just I could
never get used to it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
And I was like, I didn't hate the sliding I
didn't hate the logo sliding open for the stage. I
would say, for like Nitro, yeah it was slide open.
I wouldn't mind that. But this logo is horrendous. Yes,
very too much of the times. I think I think
they tried really hard to be modern, where the old
WSW logo was a classic, but I think they probably

(02:04:04):
looked at it it's like, oh, it's it's old. Let's
get something new and modern and hip. Yeah, and they
came up with this monstrosity, which is like, broh, this
looks like an arena football team's logo, and I love
arena football. But they didn't always have the best logos. Yeah,
this was a step down for sure, and never to
be seen again really after this time period, Like they
even when ww bought it, they went to this red
and black WTW logo, which is also terrible. To just

(02:04:25):
go back to the classic WSW logo. Bro it's just
a great logo. And then at once they got rid
of WSW with the alliance and all that stuff. Pretty
much every time you see WSW, it is the classic
WCW logo.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
So ww YouTube channel is the classic ww as it
should be. On Peacock, it's the classic WCW.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
Logo as it should be, But not this one, because
this one that they used in was it ninety nine,
two thousand.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Yeah, well they switched garbage April no, Yeah, ninety nine
they switched.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
Yeah, yeah, I was watching the ninety nine so I
remember watching this terrible logo. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
So Eric Bitschoff said on his podcast US that, uh
the reasoning for the change was he was being told
to delegate more as an executive and uh so this
was one of the things he delegated and okayed it.
I was like, how could you look at that and
okay it?

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Yeah, that's that's the problem. There's nothing wrong with delegate,
Like you still saw it. That's good. He must have
been tired. It's like whatever, brutal And also this was
the best? What was the worst? Like, what were the
other options they have?

Speaker 2 (02:05:31):
I saw a picture on Reddit that has like all
the mocks of a new Duff.

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
You got to send me that link right now. You
got to send me that link.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Definitely better ones that you think. So oh I did
like look close, but there were there was there was
like a there was one at least, and I was like, yeah,
I could buy that. That's like I wish they remained
with the same logo and just maybe kind of modernize
it a little bit, maybe change the color, maybe make
it three D or something. Yeah, because that's what a

(02:06:00):
lot of people were doing in that time. But yeah,
making it this logo was not it all.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
Yeah, this that logo was complete garbage. And the classic
I'm looking at it right now. It's such a just
a solid logo. It's like the sea's little stylized. You
don't get the entire seed. But I like the line.
The W's like sharpedges.

Speaker 2 (02:06:21):
Right, I just draw it all the time I was
drawing the logo.

Speaker 3 (02:06:24):
Draw the W logo.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
Such a classic logo and the just the nineties has
a lot of good things, but like late nineties other
two thousands, everybody wanted to get on his modern kick
and get away from the classic stuff, which I guess, Hey,
it's that makes sense. You want to kind of go
in a new direction. But the way we did it
was not great. All the time, logos, sports teams, uniforms,
a lot of them took us that back. Bro remember

(02:06:47):
the Rams when he went from that blue and yellow
to that blue and gold. It was like the blue
and gold wasn't bad, but the blue and yellow was
so much better.

Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
The piston, Yeah, it just man, make things darker. They
don't pop out exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
Everything's got darker and more brooding, and like oh modern,
and it just got worse. Honestly, we need color. We
like pizzazz and color and brightness, and it was going
dark for some reason. And I think that's another.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
Kelly Green so much.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Yeah, look at the Eagles, like you said, they went darker. Now,
granted that they've had a lot of success in the
midnight Green, Okay, a whole lot of success, and it's
a classic. Yeah, I think it's it looked I should stay. Yeah,
but the people have a foundance with that Keller green
because it's pops, it's vibrant. It's like as soon as
you see it, it makes you go oh like yeah, you know,
so I get it. Like the Broncos throwbacks, those orange

(02:07:36):
throwbacks with the powder blue helmets, Chef Kiss, Seahawks with
the blue and the silver helmets. Wow, they went darker
though they went darker also in the two thousands, went
like the teal blue with the helmet. No blue jerseys,
silver helmets, baby chef Kiss out here. Let's do it
also uniform not for the NFL bills. You need to

(02:07:56):
go back to the red helmets. I'm like, yes, yes,
red helmets with bills please, let's just let's do it.
That way.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
Any other thoughts, Thomas Helmet.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
Absolutely, if Bill's Mafia used, you should petition for this
red helmets for the Bills. Josh Allen is great and
he's on m VP and he's doing it all on
the white helmet.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
He'll do it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
He'll win a super Bowl if you change it back.

Speaker 3 (02:08:20):
To the red.

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
Don't say that they lost four super Bowls in the
red bro can't change something like that. They got to
get to the get to the damn super Bowl first.
The red helmet would actually help them get to the
super Bowl. Maybe that don't mean to win it though.
They didn't lose four in a row in the red helmets.
So sorry, Bill's Mafia. If you're listening, we apologize. We

(02:08:44):
apologize to the mafia, not that mafia, the Bill's variety.

Speaker 3 (02:08:58):
Any other random thoughts from you.

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
Did you see the poster for the pay per view?

Speaker 3 (02:09:03):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
I have seen this? Is this sting in a Vampio? Well,
oh no, it's it's DDP with a cigar. No, no,
I gotta I gotta see this.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
It's Halt Cogan, Vampio and Sid Vicious and like a cartoony.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
Oh yes version, that's that's what's on Peacock. It's so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
And uh, Sid Vicious not anywhere to be found in
WCWS time.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
Yeah, that's that's that must be the original poster.

Speaker 2 (02:09:31):
Once they did the reset, he was gone for months.
I think he came back at the end of the year.
It wasn't even hurt, but he once they did the
reset in April of two thousand and Sid was gone.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
Yeah, so it's very very funny that he's on there
and nowhere to be found, and it would not be
found for months after this.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
So if you go on Wikipedia, they have a different
post of poster. It's a VHSS cover, So okay, sting
in Vampiro on that. But yes, I did see the
cart thing and that was on Peacock too, and I
alas thought that was bizarre because like again everything is
going really dark and yet we had this car illustration
as the poster. Okay, we got we got a human
torch match on.

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
The show Kitty. It was like, yeah, I want to
get away for the kiddy stuff, but they still needed
to be a kiddies because they were still a Time
Warner company.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
And also Hogan is in the red and yellow on
that poster. Yes, so all over the place. It's just
wild all over the place.

Speaker 2 (02:10:27):
We had uh, Rick Flair trying to get his family
to cross shop Vince Russo and that was great David
Flair and the women were just not interested in him
and Reid are just dropped shopping the hell on the rest.

Speaker 1 (02:10:46):
That's my boy.

Speaker 2 (02:10:49):
Sure, he's like, Rick's looking back to be like, come on, ladies,
come on.

Speaker 1 (02:10:52):
I know. Rick was real proud, like that's my boy.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
The ladies were not taking so I thought that was
kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (02:11:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:11:03):
We had Mark Madden called I hate Kevin Nash being
like I need to be called by nicknames by the commentators,
like he was pushing everyone and called him big Sexy,
the Giant Killer and all this stuff for NY eight
into ninety nine and Tony SPOONDI would always call him
big sexy. And here Mark Madden calls him the sexecutioner.

Speaker 1 (02:11:24):
The executioner heard that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:27):
I did a double take every wee.

Speaker 3 (02:11:29):
I was like, wait a second, one more time, dude,
shut up, Mark Madden, are you.

Speaker 1 (02:11:34):
Serious on that?

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
The sexecutioner, the sex acutioner. I don't what are we
doing doing this?

Speaker 3 (02:11:42):
Because is this striper you imagine, Mike Yo, you guys
should call me this sexecutioner.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
That'd be dope to get the people going down the shirt.
Ww in two thousand was a dude boy. Any other
random thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:12:02):
From you, Yeah, I think we hit on everything. I
did think in the main event another callback to Over
the Edge ninety eight where Vince Man is the special
ref Pat Patterson is a special ring announcer or Jarprisco's
the timekeeper that stuff. It's like Vince Russo's. He did

(02:12:23):
all his WWF ideas in WCW, but worse, and I
was That's what annoyed me about it is it's like
I'm not seeing anything new. I'm seeing everything for a
second time. It made it feel second rate. It's like that,
like where are the new ideas?

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Didn't have it?

Speaker 2 (02:12:39):
Where's the new stuff? And that to make WCW seem
like an alternative instead of like a joke. And I
think that was him. Vince Russo just doing the same
ideas differently with different people was not obviously browse for
success is his time.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
He was perfect for that mid to late nineties time
when it was people were rebelling on TV, and I
guess people are still doing it by two thousand, but
bout two thousand we had seen it from him already.
It's like we had seen Jerry Springer already by two thousand.
It wasn't quite the same as it was like ninety
seven because we saw it already, even know Jerry spring
was on the air for years and years after that.
Rest Peace, Jerry Springer and Read Flair. I shouldn't have

(02:13:19):
said that earlier to rest in peace to Read Flair
as well. But yeah, he's perfect for that time. But
like we had been there and done that by two thousand,
we needed something, Like you said, something new or something different,
different wrinkles, and you just didn't get that. We had
the same thing, but with either talent that wasn't as
over or just executed worse. Yeah, and that's what we

(02:13:39):
get from WW in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (02:13:40):
Another one more note, Rick Flair would not be retired
at Great American Bass two thousand. Guess when he would
be retired?

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
Oh yeah, when USSO did it.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
That's Russo and.

Speaker 2 (02:13:53):
David Clair beat Rick Flair because you see brussaou threat
I will retire your ass tomorrow, right Joe?

Speaker 3 (02:14:00):
That he did.

Speaker 2 (02:14:01):
Uh, technically I guess, but man Rick would come back
in two thousand and one obviously to have that last matchup,
saying it the last night thro he was there in
two thousand and one, but yeah, he was gone like
the rest of the year after the next night.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
I guess that was Vince trying to move on from
the Vets, right, He's like, look, I gotta get get
him out of here. So Rick, you gotta go. But
the problem is Rick was upset by that, and Rick
wasn't ready to hang him up. Clearly, clearly wasn't ready
to hang him up. Because even in O eight he
wasn't ready to hang him up, And in twenty twenty
two he probably in twenty twenty five probably still isn't
ready to hang him up. But it was a bad decision,

(02:14:37):
Like do something different with Rick. He's still a name,
says Value. Sure, you don't want him to be the
world champion anymore, but like I'm just still treating him
with some respect as far as like how you present him.
I do think, you know, I'm not like a big
rig Flair fan, but I think I do think it
was kind of disrespectful what they were trying to do
to him. Oh yeah, in some ways he was a
huge star, sixteen times World Champ, the whole nine, and

(02:14:58):
yet in w CW after like once bischoffice people took over,
he got kind of treated weird after. It was kind
of weird at multiple points in his time in WSW
post Eric Bischoff and post like the Booking Committee in
the early nineties. It was always weird with him, and
I never understood quite why. Maybe with some of his
his doing, maybe he was w's w's doing, I don't know,

(02:15:19):
but it was always really strange, and I think this
is another instance of that where you're trying to kick
him out over and over again, and Bence Russoso wanted
to retire him. Okay, don't disrespect me like that. Come on, bro,
I'm Rick Flair, like at the end of the day,
like that's kind of wild. So but yeah, that is
the great American bash from the year two thousand. So Nick,

(02:15:45):
if you will take us out with some plugs please.

Speaker 2 (02:15:47):
He followed me on Twitter, slash x at Underscore pacone
and also on TikTok at Underscore picone. Can follow me
on threads and Blue Sky Uh Blue Sky at pecone,
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(02:16:12):
dot Com, slash Shooters Radio, Patreon, Paton you got the
Patreon also shooters pod dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:16:18):
I'm trying to get Shooters.

Speaker 2 (02:16:19):
Radio dot Com back, so we'll see if that changes
in the near future. I can also check this podcast
out at FOXPHL Gambler dot com. Just click on the
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we are, and also the wrestling round tables there also
if you want to hear our previous roundtables. Hopefully we'll
be having a SummerSlam one coming up for you soon.

Speaker 1 (02:16:42):
All right, so being a lookout for that. I am
at Vonn M. Johnson on x I'm at Vaughan Johnson
on Blue Sky, at Vaughan Johnson one sixty six on Instagram.
I got too many different handles, but these these platforms, man,
it can't get the same one on all of them,
so that's unfortunate. We're also on Patreon, as Nick said,
Patreon dot com slash Shooters Radio when you can request
it Future deep Dive just like this one, and you

(02:17:02):
can make a cameo on the show that we're diving
deep into. Imagine wanting to be on this show when
we talk about Great American Bash three thousands. You can
do that. All you gotta do is head over to
patreon dot com slash Shooters Radio.

Speaker 2 (02:17:13):
If we were entertaining on a bad show, then pick
a bad show won't be entertaining.

Speaker 1 (02:17:18):
Yeah, at the very least we'll have a good time
doing it again Patreon dot com slash Shooters Radio. But
for Nick Picone, I'm Van Johnson. Thanks for listening to
episode four thirty three of The Straight Shooters and we'll
catch you again next week. Hey, Glayma, wake up the show. No,
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