437: The Complicated Legacy of Hulk Hogan

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up everyone out there at internet Land, and welcome
to episode four thirty seven of The Straight Shooters and
Emergency edition of The Straight Shooters. As we are recording
the day of July twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, and
the breaking news of the day is that legendary wrestler
Hall of Famer, all time great in the wrestling industry,

(00:34):
Hal Hogan Terrible AA passed away today at the age
of seventy one. I'm doing as always, but my main
man Pots and Pans Nick Pecone, the Fox, pH of
the Gambler and Philly Influencer, and we're joined today by
the third man, Brian Eisley, who has made his triumphant
return to the podcast, but again on our somber notes
as we talk about the death of Hulk Hogan, but

(00:54):
we're gonna talk all about the complicated legacy he also
leaves behind. But before we get into all of that,
let's talk about the details of what happened today. First,
the news broke that hal Cogan passed away at the
age of seventy one. This news was first broken by
TMZ and then confirmed by a number of other outlets,
including the Associated Press, and of course confirmed by WWE,

(01:17):
but according to the Associated Press, Hogan was pronounced dead
at a hospital less than ninety minutes after medics in Clearwater, Florida,
arrived at his home to answer a morning call about
a cardiac arrest. According to police quote Major Nate Burnside
down there in clear Water, there were no signs of
foul play or suspicious activity, so sounds like natural causes.

(01:43):
He was in the hospital recently for procedure where he
apparently had an infection from that, and there was some
rumors swirling about him being in a coma, which we refuted,
but this is true. Hal Cogan passed away today at
the age of seventy one. Brian the oldest amongst his three.
So you're probably you watched probably Holgan more on his

(02:03):
prime than I did, certain and maybe a little more
than Nick. I'm gonna start with you your thoughts when you
hear today haw Hogan passed away today at the age
of seventy one.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I started watching wrestling because of haul Cogan, so I
was around four or five years old. I remember the
first day I saw I saw wrestling my cousin at
the time. My cousin at the time, my cousin now.

(02:37):
He told me that he didn't want to play because
he wanted to watch TV because something important was about
to come on.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
And I was like, what's that?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
And he showed me and it was haw Cogan and
it was w w F at the time, and.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I was hooked from then on. And it was because of.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
It was cut to the holster, the way he came
down to the ring, the way.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
He was gesturing to the to the audience, the way
he had the crown and the palm of his hand,
the way, just the the whole houra of it, and
they captured me and it hasn't let go since they
were are forty years later, I'm watching everything involving wrestling,

(03:33):
and now with my teenage daughter.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
She's a fanatic now.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
And it all stems from me watching that fainful day
when I was four.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Or five years old and being hoped ever since. And
it's because I'll call.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Cooking Nick your thoughts, Yeah, I said, My first wrestling
match I ever saw was the Wrestling six main event
hal Cogan an Ultimate Warrior, And it's kind of like
as hall Cogan was Brian, like Brian's way to get

(04:09):
into wrestling was hal Cogan Mine was Ultimate Warrior.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Because he won the match and then he was the
champion at the time that I really got into wrestling. So,
you know, me growing up in nineteen ninety first watching this,
I'm thinking, like, Ultimate Warrior is the biggest, you know
thing ever, all the bright colors, the face paint and
the tassels and everything. Like I wanted to be like

(04:34):
the Ultimate Warrior when I grew up, you know, I
wanted to be that guy. And so when Hall Cogen
beat Sergeant Slaughter at WrestleMania seven, that was like my
first taste of halcogin THEWF champion promotion built around him
type thing, because you know, I didn't watch him prior
to WrestleMania six. I didn't realize how important he was

(04:58):
in the history of wrestling till I got older. So yeah,
it was more or less you know, thinking, okay, like
Ultimate Warriors, my guy, like not hal Cochin, like what
the hell? And just seeing how how people started when
they would come up, you know, in the mid nineties,
late nineties. Even now you have wrestlers that are young,

(05:22):
younger than us even that you know, pay homage to
Hall cokein just for I mean, this podcast probably wouldn't
happen if it wasn't for Hall Cokein, just because we're
wrestling fans. What Hall Cokein did bringing pro wrestling to
the mainstream is why we became fans in the first place.
If it wasn't mainstream, you know it's hit or miss,

(05:43):
would we would it still be on local access programming
where we would we wouldn't know it was on unless
we came across it randomly switching channels and then be like, oh,
I like this, Like we might not even know. I
guess with social media maybe we'd be more open to
seeing this type of stuff on our feeds. But back
then in the nineties, we didn't have that. So if

(06:04):
it wasn't on those network television you know channels, I
wouldn't have any or cable you know, I wouldn't have
no idea that it existed. So yeah, for as hul
Coaga was to Brian, it's kind of the Ultimate Warrior
was to be thinking that the Ultimate Warrior was the
reason wrestling existed for the longest time, and then it's

(06:26):
like no, it's it's Haul Cogan and it's just like, man, like,
what a crazy way to get introduced to wrestling. I'm
not sure there's another WrestleMania main event that rivals like
the glitz and glamour of it, you know, maybe Hulk
and Andre, But that was before wrestle Media six, So
I'm saying like since then, I mean, what main event

(06:49):
in WrestleMania or what match could you truly say rival
Just the sheer aesthetic of Hul Cogan versus Ultimate Warrior
at the SkyDome and Toronto, like that crowd, that building,
the Colors, like the bright Colors. Man, it was. It
was something to be enthralled with when I was five
years old, and just you know, following his career now

(07:13):
you know, through the nineties and even his post career
and then obviously things you know about ten years ago
where things started going sideways it seems like, at least
in the public eye. So yeah, it's just kind of
a tough situation to kind of think about it all
together and one fell swoop instead of splitting it up

(07:35):
to be like, Okay, when I was a kid, I
obviously didn't know better, but yeah, it was. It's just
kind of crazy wrapping my head around it, right, you know,
especially when I heard the news today because we had
all heard the rumors, the recent rumors about his health
and everything, and you know it's like, Okay, well, you
know he was home, so you know you thought maybe

(07:55):
everything was good with him health wise, but obviously not.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, I think that for me, I'm I think I'm
the youngest Amostys three, right, So I didn't quite grow
up with him in the same way.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
That y'all did.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I wasn't alive during his peak in the mid eighties,
and I wasn't a lot barely a year old when
he went against the ultimate.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
Warrior for Nick.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
But I'm setting context here, I'm setting the table, all right.
From my perspective, Okay, I still grew up in him
in a different way though, where he was leaving WWF
and he wasn't really a part of the new generation.
For me, that was like my first era that I
can remember as a kid, and then he was a

(08:44):
part of the nWo and ww and that was a
whole different version of the one that you guys grew.

Speaker 7 (08:50):
Up with pretty much.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And of course he came back in ww and put
back on the red and yellow and everything else. But
so maybe I think because I'm coming from a at
a younger age I think I have. I don't have
the level of nostalgia for him as others do, where
I understand if for Brian that was your introduction to wrestling,

(09:11):
you're not alone in that. Hawk Hogan really did introduce
a generation of people, not just kids, but people around
the country, around the world to pro wrestling. And obviously
it was Vince's idea to take the industry to that level,
and he picked hawk Hogan to be the leader of

(09:32):
that pack, so to speak, right, and that that can't
be taken away from him. Hawk Hogan's talent in the
ring is undeniable. His impact on the industry is undeniable.
He is still to this day probably the most recognizable
name ever in pro wrestling. You got him, you got
the Rock, you got Steve Austin, and Rick Flair, maybe

(09:55):
maybe the Undertaker.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
As far as like people from all walks, people from
different age groups. Could you ask a kid, they might
know who hal Hogan is. This kid's in the eighties
who remember Hall Cogan when he was the superhero and
he had his own Saturday Morning cartoon. People from the
nineties who remember him in WSW and nWo, and even
his movies in the nineties. We just covered one last
week in Suburban Commando or your kid from the two thousands,

(10:20):
and you know him from Hogan Knows Best, or you
might know him from TNA, but you know him. So
that's a testament to his staying power as a basically
an A list celebrity for thirty plus years. And again,
his impact on his industry cannot be understated. He headlined
the biggest shows ever arguably in wrestling, Wrestlemingium three, regardless

(10:44):
of whether the attendance was ninety three or seventy five
or whatever the attendance was that night. That was the
pinnacle or pro wrestling for that era and still one
of the biggest shows, most monumental shows ever. And that
show wouldn't have been nearly that big if it wasn't
for Halcogan, right.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
With that said, though, there's another side to Helk Cogan
that complicates his legacy because as.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
Much of he was a on screen a dynamo, he was.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
A force, unstoppable force right behind the scenes, he wasn't
the most like guy in the world. And that's just
we're just we'll just talk about wrestling, just wrestling, right
for right now, we're gonna cover the other stuff. He
was known to be kind of selfish m hm. He
was known to go into business for himself. That wouldn't

(11:36):
work for me, brother type stuff. He was known to
pretty much try to sabotage Undertake his career in the
beginning of his career, the beginning of his run as
the Undertaker and the Undertake. It has been open to
public about what happened between them two right in the
early nineties, where Hogan said, hey, man, protect me on

(11:57):
his tombstone and Undertaker's like, yeah, I got you, don't
worry ry and.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
Undertok a hate to move. Hulk Hogan is like, hey
you got me.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm hurt, and Undertaker's freaking out, like, oh no, I
hurt the guy who's drawing all the money. Turns out
Hulk Hogan's never had never hit the mat, never hit
the steel chair. He was perfectly fine, and the Undertaker
from that point on was like, I don't mess with
him no more. And there are a lot of stories,
not like that specifically, but other stories about Hulk Hogan
that don't paint him in a good light.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
I mean, he's a union buster and that's where.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I was going to get to now, No, you're good,
because that's something that I don't know if I could
ever get passed, I can get past the petty stuff
that might have happened backstage.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
That stuff's not.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
The only one that's exact, especially history. He's not the
only one to do that exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
That threw his weight around, uses power and its proximity
to Vince McMahon to his personal benefit. Again, I understand
to a certain extent, you gotta get yours, But to me,
it's something that I can I don't know if I
can ever get passed, will be him riding out Jesse
the body Ventur to Vince McMahon. When Jesse Ventur was
trying to unionize the WWF wrestlers in the early I

(13:07):
think late eighties, early nineties, I forget the exact time
that that happened. That's something that to me is like, Bro,
you not only messed up for the boys at that time,
you're still messing it up for the wrestlers to this day.
Could imagine the progress that could have been made between
now and then if they were able to collectively bargain

(13:29):
back then. Think about the changes to travel that could
have happened, the changes to their lifestyles.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
Hey, maybe they could have had a pension.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Imagine if WWF was giving God's pensions and imagine what
that could have done to some people's livelihoods as they
got older.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
Sure, wwe WWF, what do you want to call them?

Speaker 1 (13:50):
They pay your rehab, you know when you got down
and out, but you had to be down and out
in order to get assistance from them past your employment date.
Once you were done with the company, they were done
with you. Despite all the miles you put on the body,
literally and figuratively, all the shows you made, all the
times you worked hurt but you can't get insurance. But

(14:12):
you had to drive yourself to every show. You had
to pay for your hotel rooms. That's something that that's
still a concern to this day. Now, maybe the hotel
rooms and the travel is different because they don't do
as many shows as it used to, so maybe that's
not as big of a concern as it used to be.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
But it wasn't that long ago, like.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
A couple of years ago, where they was doing two
hundred three hundred shows a year, traveling all around the world,
paying for their own hotel rooms, paying for their own
gas and their own.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Food after the shows.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Remember I don't know if you remember interview that Bailey
did a couple of years back when she talked to
somebody outside of the industry and she's like, yeah, we
driving ourselves to the shows. And then lady looked at
her like like she had three heads in her shoulders.
She's like, y'all, big time celebrity stars performing in front
of thousands of people every night, you drive yourself to
the show.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
That's absurd.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
In other industries, there's no TV show act or no
movie show actor that drives themselves around the country to work.
Even Broadway shows have tour buses like come on. So
it's those things that could have helped the livelihood of
the wrestlers over the course of thirty years. I'm sure
they're getting paid a lot of money now, but they

(15:19):
imagine the other things that could have at their disposal,
like a pension.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
That other sports have, like maybe revenue sharing.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
We hear about the labor issue in the WNBA right now,
where people are like, oh, they're not profitable enough. It's like, hey, man,
profit and revenue two different things. Okay, you don't need
to be profitable to get cut of the revenue. Being
profitable is not the player's fault. That's the owner's fault.
That's on the owners. They make it profitable, they don't
need a new Rolls Royce. They don't need another one.

(15:50):
Give the money back to the players, right, They want
a larger cut of the revenue, but wrestlers can't even
bargain for the revenue split.

Speaker 7 (16:02):
Meanwhile, they're rolling back.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
On benefits and WWE to the employees and the executives
collect on bonuses every.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Year while the revenue is going up.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
While the revenue continue, that goes up, and it's only
going to get more expensive to go to these shows
because we just talking about before that we hit record
how expensive the tickets are to the Philly show coming
up for RAW. We'll talk about a little bit more
about that maybe later, but my point is is that
that's the type of stuff that Hogan's decision back then
to run to Vent and tell him that they were

(16:34):
planning on unionizing, and then Vince Winner said, if you
attend this meeting, you're fired. That stuff reverberates all the
way to this day and I just.

Speaker 7 (16:44):
All for what, for what reason?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Bro? So he can stay Number one, and I.

Speaker 7 (16:51):
Just can't get over that. So it's to me, it's
a complicated legacy. It's both.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's he's great, he's a great superstar, he's a top
he's on he can be on your mount rushmore of
all time wrestlers. I respect it, I understand it. He
deserves it. Whatever praise you want to give him as
a wrestler, give it to him. But the union thing,
and then and then the racism, I didn't even mention that.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
That's far more egregious.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Obviously, Yeah, that's that's the more egregious that that's always
going to be the more agreed.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Right, I didn't even talk about that yet. The first
thing was bad enough, then then the racism too.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Can I can?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I speak on to the union real quick, but not
not to not to play devil's advocate or anything. But
I'm striving in my profession to be at the top,
to know what being a top comedian feels like. And
I think I'm well on my way, but I don't

(17:51):
know what that feels like yet. I say that to
say I don't think any of us know what Hogan
was feeling like being at the top of the mountain.
And if everything gets unionized, everybody ascends up. Everybody that's

(18:16):
below Hogan as scends up. And I think Hogan was
thinking the only person that suffers from this is me,
or probably that's too. So he was of the mindset
of that's not gonna work for me, brother, And.

Speaker 8 (18:34):
He's been he said, he said this neumerous time. It's
not gonna work for me, brother.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
He was that serious about that.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
It was still wrong because you're supposed you're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Know, like you're you're you're the top guy. You're supposed
to be.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Looking out for the little guy, the people that's not
eating as much as as you are. And I get
that part. I get that part of it, like it
was a very selfish move or on his part, But
I also kind of understand it because at that time

(19:12):
and and even still to this day, the wrestling business
is the most dog eat dog industry.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
In the world.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It's always been every man for himself. It's gotten better
over time, but it's still not ideal.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's still people jockey.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You hear you hear these superstars talk about it all
the time. There's only one top spot, and I want it,
damn everybody else. There's there's still that level of competition
there to where I want to be the top guy.
I want to be the top woman by any means necessary.

(19:53):
Hogan would Hogan just told you and showed you that
he do whatever it takes to be the top guy
and stay the top guy. Hell Yan was wrong, but
he didn't feel that way. So I kind of get it,
but also like, damn, that's really messed up.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I don't I'm sorry, let me jump in real quick.
I don't get it. And the reason is it's a
short sighted decision. Yeah, and the short term, yeah, you
get to stay at the top, but what does it
mean for you?

Speaker 7 (20:29):
Maybe in thirties, who's to say Hulgan's gonna stay at
the top.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Maybe he would have would have he bottomed out at
some point just because life happens.

Speaker 7 (20:37):
And now now he doesn't have a pension.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
It's easy to be in that position when you don't
worry about that, but like, it'd be nice to have
a pension. That short'd be nice. And to me, it's
just the short sightedness of it. It's what gets me
is I understand that people cut throat, but it doesn't
have to be. Here's competition, it's competition to a certain extent,
but you're still working together.

Speaker 7 (20:58):
Do you still get colleagues? You still gotta work together
in that ring.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I agree with you.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
So I don't know. I just can't get with it.
But go ahead and.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
Nick, yeah, I mean I think there's still a healthy
competition even if you have you know, peers that rise
up and quote unquote threat in your spot. You can
still have that healthy competition. But also the fact that
again you look way down the road, like how's my
life going to pan out when this is done? For me?

(21:27):
Then obviously he was you know, wrestling in his fifties
and whatnot, but it's wrestling is definitely different in those terms.
But I just I don't know what he gains other
like did he just think, Okay, Vince, I'll have a
job for life because of this. But again, for me,
it's the union stuff is more about like the outside

(21:50):
the ring benefits that you get, like it if you
get her, at least you're taken care of, you know,
like those are like the big things. Okay, if you're
a job or so be it, but at least you
have the same protections as the main event guy, Like
you're putting your body on the line literally every time
you go out there, So why wouldn't you be protected
the same way your champion is, Yeah, they'll work more dates,

(22:13):
but you know they're still protected. But if you're a
jobb er and you only work here and there, at
least you'll still be protected. So for me, I kind
of look at it, why not just protect them outside
the ring? Like why was that such a big deal?
You know, it's if you're you're the guy, Like, pretty
clearly there was no one on Hogan's level in terms

(22:34):
of drawing at the time, So did he really have
somebody to be scared of? Like, I mean, I don't know,
not really. I guess maybe, but I don't even know
if I don't know the timeline, if like he was
there during this time or not. But I mean they
eventually strapped the rocket to him anyway and it didn't
work out, So I don't know what he was so

(22:57):
afraid of if you know, he was carrying the company
for by that point.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Well, it goes to insecurity, which happens a lot when
people get to the top. You know, they can become
insecure or not. Look, I could understand that even that's
that's a human emotion.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
You can have.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, it's insecurity and where it is not necessarily great,
but like you're allowed to feel your feelings. I just
just to go behind their backs and do that. And
again that's a decision. I think that has reverberated throughout
the last couple decades, specifically in WW, but it could
have changed the wrestling industry because if they unionized and

(23:32):
got it together, where to stop WW from doing the
same thing? Right And sure Ted Turner wouldn't have liked it,
facebok Man, we know he didn't like it, didn't want it.
But if you withhold services, you might get the job done.
Look at what Baseball did back in ninety four. They
said what World Series? Oh, expose, you're in first place?

(23:54):
Not no more, we're not playing. And then they try
to implement free agency and they couldn't and to this day,
no free agency or no.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
Uh creagency salary cap. You can pay a luxury tax.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
But they're still like, it's funny they're pushing for it now,
but I doubt it's gonna happen.

Speaker 7 (24:14):
Ain't no way.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
These players are making it way too much money, way
too much money to say we want to cap it now.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
I don't know he's bought a private album last year.
Last year.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, that's cat a Cat.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
So and it's and you see this, it's just important stuff, man.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
That that really hurt.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I think the industry, and of course again can't overlook
the racism, you know, aspect of it. And it's it's
really it's really crazy to me that, like, arguably the
most over gotten industry at one point and for many
many years was Hawk Hogan and his final televised appearance

(24:59):
on w w TV at least he was booed out
of the building, bro, And it's like, what the hell?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
It was real bad.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
So it's just like those decisions you make, they in
some ways that carries some impact. Again, multiple things can
be true, Bro. I'm not trying to take away from
his career, trying to take away from what he accomplished.
He accomplished those things, and he's worthy whatever praise you
want to lay on him. From a wrestling standpoint, a
personal standpoint, it's different.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
It comes to it comes down to this, we have
the choice to remember him how we want to remember him, right,
Because there's a lot of layers to this. We've covered
a lot in a very short amount of time. He's
arguably the not arguably he's the biggest babyface in the

(25:53):
history of wrestling. He's arguably the greatest heel in the
history of wrestling. He revolutionized wrestling in the eighties, he
rebelized wrestling in the nineties.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
He helped build WWF to what it became. He helped
build WCW to what it became. You can't deny Hawk
Hoogan's graveness in the ring. You also can't deny that
he had some very ignorant things to say about black people,
and he blocked the progression of the industry by snitching

(26:29):
on the union meeting.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
So yeah, there's a lot of things. There's a lot
of layers when it comes to HAWG Hogan because guess what,
Hawk Hogan is a human being. There's a lot of
layers to all of us. So in his passion, we
have the choice to decide how we're going to remember him.

(26:51):
That's why I made that post that I made, because
I choose to remember Hawk Hogan for being the sole
reason why I didn't turn the channel to.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Muppet Babies and watched wrestling.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
And I'd been watching wrestling for forty years, bruh. It's
because of the training and the prayer and the vitamins
in the Hawkimania Woman forever.

Speaker 8 (27:22):
It's because of him.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
So I can't.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Deny any of this stuff. I can acknowledge all of
it too, but I decide to choose the happier portion
of it because that's what brought me to wrestling, and
that's what kept me there.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
Yeah, Vaughan, you said earlier, he it's a complicated legacy.
And I literally was thinking about what to name this episode,
like what title can we name it? And I've literally
wrote down about thirty seconds before you said it, the
complicated Legacy of Halcogan as probably what I'm going to
title this episode. And I think, you know, Brian makes

(28:02):
a good point to where, yeah, well we're five years
old or six years old. We're we're not old enough
to be making decisions, but we're old enough to understand.
And I was old enough to understand hault Cochin shaped
my personal character to do the right thing right, Like
we know at that age what the right thing to

(28:22):
do is and what the wrong thing to do is.
So you grow up, especially in wrestling, like there was
a clear cut good versus evil, and if you're not
one of those, you know, people who get off on
cheering for the bad guy. You're like, I want the
good guy to win because I want most of the
crowd who cheers up person to be happy. I want

(28:45):
them to be nice, you know, like you know, the
heels are mean and angry, you know, like if you're nice,
you smile and you wave and stuff like that. And
knowing that at that age, you know, Ultimate Warrior, even
though he was a crazed lunatic, I was like, people
love him, so I gotta love him too. And he's

(29:06):
saying these things that kind of yeah, they're wacky, but
they're rooted and good in the good versus evil battle.
And hal Cogan did the same thing, and I'm like,
I want to live my life the way hal Cogan
did or is right now, because he's telling me to
do the right thing. And that kind of shaped my
character at a young age. Now, thank god I had
great parents too to do that, to instill that on

(29:28):
a daily basis. But when I watched wrestling, like I
didn't fall into a trap of like, I'm going to
root for the evil guy just to be you know,
just to be like that like person on the other
side of it. You know, like, yeah, I never got
off on that idea the way some people do, Like

(29:49):
I was a follower, I guess you could say at
that point. And you know, so that's how kind of
like watching hal Cogan and wrestling in general shaped my
character at a young age to be like I want
to do the right thing and I want to help people.
You like, you know, once you grow up and you
realize the world is a lot more callous than just that,

(30:10):
you see exactly how it is when Halkgen you know,
what was it ten years ago at this point, maybe
maybe a little uh more than that. All of a sudden,
you know, he these things get leaked the audio gets
leaked in, and you're like what the hell, Like this
is the guy that shaped my character at a young age,
Like I don't want to be like him, but thankfully

(30:32):
I'm old enough to realize I control that, you know,
at five six years old, like you don't really control
that because you're always going you're always following the leader
type thing. But when you get older, and so I'm
kind of thankful that that happened when my brain was
but sure enough to understand like, okay, that's definitely wrong,

(30:53):
Like he might have molded my character a little bit
as a kid to do the right thing. But at
least I know now all that I don't have to
continue following the same guy's path through He you know,
so much influenced me at a young age, but he
didn't influence me when I got older. So I'm very

(31:14):
thankful for that.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
I appreciate your perspective, I really do.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I'm not saying again not saying that nobody should have
disdained from him and not remember him in a positive way.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
I just I think you think your tickets great though,
like it. I mean, that's why it's called the complicated legacy.

Speaker 7 (31:32):
Yeah, for sure, very complicated.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
But you're more than welcome to feel how you feeling.
Like there's there's a side that you can pick and
you can stand on it because he left us a
complicated legacy, So you can pick whatever side like, It's
okay because he did that. It's the life that he
lived and in the person that he chose to be.

(31:59):
So whatever side you stand on, it's fine because he
was all of those things.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yes he was. But let's talk about some wrestling moments
with Halkogan. So what are some of your favorite Baby
moments or matches with Hal Cogan at involved Hal Coogan.
Obviously there's some big ones out there. We can, you know,
mention that everybody can talk about. But uh yeah, Nick
kind of run through some of your favorite memories and

(32:25):
matches from Hogan.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Oh man, I just got goosebumps because I'm thinking about
WrestleMania six, the way he lost him obviously looking so upset.
Jesse Ventorigo, he got tears in his eyes. Gorilla and
him handing Ultimate Warrior of the Belt, raising his hand
going out, you know, like a winner, and Gorilla Monsoon

(32:46):
saying he'll always be a chip in hawkmedia will always
live forever. Five years old, six years old, will be like, okay,
Like if I ever am in a situation where I
feel like that I lose something like, I will go
up with my head held high. And it stuck with me.
When I started my baseball career, playing baseball when I
was eight years old, and yeah, I lost a lot

(33:09):
of games. You know, baseball, you lose a lot of games.
But man, some of those teams I played on were
just not winning games. There were some good years in there,
for sure. We did win the Fallball Championship but that
is like, okay, like I learned to lose, and I'm thinking,
like the way Hulk lost the resumed six and how

(33:31):
he went out, it was like how I wanted. I wanted.
I didn't want to be a sore loser because I
was there were so many kids back then that were
just like, oh, you suck, this sucks, blah blah blah,
and I just wanted. I did not want to be
around that. It was so toxic to me, even at
a young age that I'm like, Okay, if I lose,
like I'm going to give respect to the opponent because
I will eventually be on that side and I will

(33:54):
be on the winning side. And it took me till
my sophomore year of high school until I've finally the
team I was on was able to win that championship.
It was fallball, but it didn't fall ball, by the way,
is like kind of it was a little less important
than when we played in the spring, but it was
still like fun as hell and exciting, and we played

(34:15):
and we loved it and we won the title that year,
and it just felt so good to be like I
finally won a title, you know, like it just it
felt incredible. So you know, just that just seeing that
moment at the end of Wrestlemedia six, and it's how
much it stuck with me, and you know, it's kind
of how I still live my life today, like if
I don't obviously life's not fair, right, so when I

(34:36):
don't get what I want, you know, you got to
move forward. And you know it's tough, man, especially when
you get older and you deal with so many different
types of things, not even sports related, but like life,
you deal with real life, and how you just got
to go through each day with a certain attitude just
to be able to get through the day and then

(34:57):
wake up and do it all over again. You know
how tough it is. But yeah, I think that that's
probably the legacy he left me and my personal life
to just you know, if you lose, keep your shin up,
there will be another day type thing. And so that's
kind of the moment when I think about Halcochain, Like
the nw O run was great, you know, like I

(35:19):
loved a lot of the wrestling thing that he did,
but I mean, like, man, there's nothing really compares to
how I viewed the end of that match with the
Ultimate Warrior and just sow. That was handled just incredible, Brian.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
I have a few moments. The first.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
The first moment is every time Heenan called a Hogan match.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
And he was telling you how much of a bad
person he was.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
That was hilarious to me, and I guess it aged well,
but that's crazy. He didn't know, He didn't ever lie,
but that that was hilarious to me. A dope moment
to me was WrestleMania three when Holden was coming down

(36:11):
to the ring and Jesse Ventur was.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Running down the tail of the tape. That was dope.
Well what else throughout?

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
What?

Speaker 6 (36:25):
He got eliminated by justice.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
The funniest moment was when he ran over the rock
with with that tailor.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
That was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm gonna lay the smack down on his cripple, didn't,
did not get arrested, ran away and and the next
week all they had to do was issue a public
apology and the chargers were dropped.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Hilarious.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
That's it, man, It must be nice to be very
rich and powerful.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
When when Shawn Michaels turned on Hogan and super kicked him,
that was that was hilarious. And then when Sean over
sold the entire match. That was funny too, and of
course the number one moment, Hulk Hogan, We're coming for you.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
That's man, man oh man. That will live forever and infamy.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I will say again, you know how I feel about
Hulk Hogan's complicated legacy. But again, I didn't grow up
watching him in his prime. I was aware of Hawkmania.
Uh you know by this point the moment that I'm
going to say, but h and I watched some of
the stuff from WSW from and WO. But when he

(37:50):
came back to WWE in two thousand and two and
went against the Rock and WrestleMania eighteen, that was the
first time I was like, oh, this whole comania stuff
is real, because I never witnessed a crowd flip on
somebody like that, the way they flipped on the Rock
and the way they just turned holding into a baby
face over overnight within a matter of seconds. Soon as

(38:11):
he came out, they was cheering for him, and I
don't think he was really cheered up until that point
that much. But they go to Toronto and WrestleMania and
it was like, Wow, man, this whul comania stuff really
means something.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
It's really special. To a lot of people, and that
match was.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Special for a lot of reasons, and that it's not
just about the action, and I think I learned that
from Hulkogan. If anything I've learned from ul Coogan is
that he made a ton of money doing very little,
and even with that very little, he still banged himself
up tremendously. I mean his last appearance you can see
he had trouble walking and he's had numerous back surgeries,

(38:50):
and so the industry was tough on him, just like
it was tough on.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Many others from that respect.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
But what I learned though, is that like, you don't
have to do a million moves to get you just
got to be over. Once you're over, you can give
somebody a backbreak and people go, yay.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
You know what I'm saying, like shout out to jay us.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
The goal isn't just to put on a five star match.
That's subjective, that's somebody's opinion. You know, there's no metric,
real metric that you can take home with you a
trophy or money you put in your bank account because
you had a five star match. Those people cheering and
those people buying tickets and buying merchandise. Man, those are

(39:33):
the metrics you kind of go by if you're gonna
go by hard metrics. But even if you go by
the subjectivity of like who's over, who's not. Listen to
that crowd back in the sky Dom in Toronto, you'll
hear that both the Rock and Hogan where they didn't
have to do anything to get the crowd to go crazy,
and they didn't do a ton. That match is not
a mat classic by any stretch. But I watching it live,

(39:56):
and everybody else in that stadium and everybody else watching
it on pay per view where spent after that match
was done.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
I mean it was like a roller coaster.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I mean I was.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Watching it live and just being like whoa. And again,
I'm like thirteen. I don't think I seen a match
like that to that point. I was too young for
Wrestlmania three, for Hogan, not Hogan, Savage and Steamboat. To
see a match that's not the main event. That's when
I'm trying to get at right. So a match is
like third from the top essentially, because I think they

(40:25):
had the women's title match after this and then the
main event. So third from the top and you're spent,
You're like, I don't need to watch the rest of
the show. That was the first time I experienced that,
And like I said, it was really a lesson in
the moment that Hogan hawks up in that damn match.
In the crowd, they're jumping out of their seats and

(40:46):
the moment he points at the rock and Jail.

Speaker 7 (40:49):
Goes, oh my God, and it's like that's magic.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Like again, I can't deny Hogan's aura, so to speak,
when he was in there, when he was in his prime,
and even two thousand and two pasted it, but it
was still some juice left, Bro. So that's the moment
that I'll never forget, and it taught me so many
lessons about what makes wrestling good and what really captivates people.

(41:13):
You go back and watch Hogan's matches in the eighties,
it wasn't like people didn't have standards. That just didn't
need all that. I guess he gave them so much
other stuff. They didn't need a Matt Classic of Hoga.
It wasn't like people weren't used to watching good wrestling.
Maybe in the Northeast there was a little bit slower
of a territory and in the South, they were more
fast paced.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
But like he was selling out.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
In the South, he was selling out in the Midwest,
he was selling out in the West coast.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
Didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
He was over, and if you're over, you're over everywhere,
no matter what you do, like, it doesn't matter, it transcends.
So yeah, that that's a moment for me, of course,
the moment of him turning bit heel. It's still the
most prominent hill turn of all time. No, John Cena
did not top it.

Speaker 7 (41:57):
He didn't even rival with not even close.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Especially the follow up is complete garbage, right, not complete garbage.
But it's not nearly as good as what the NW was,
and it's not good.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
Now, it's just not good.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
We can call it garbage. We can call it garbage
at least the rest. Definitely, the WrestleMania match was garbage. Right,
But that's that's a monumental moment in wrestling history. You've
never seen this ultimate good guy turn bad like that
in front of everybody and people filling the ring with
trash and stuff like that, and he cuts the promo.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
He was like he was waiting. He hit that on
his chest.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
He had down his heart for many years I felt like,
and he got it out in the middle of that
ring with Gene Oakland and Scott Hall and Kevin Nash.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
It's still hard for me to think that was a
last minute decision with how intricate that promo was.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
Man, he just had that on his heart. Bro, He's
ready this trash and this ring represents all of y'all
out there.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
I ain't forget about y'all booing me back in WWF
and and when I first got to ww I ain't
forget about that. So again, monumental moment there, and of
course you got to mention him body slam and Andre
you know, uh, it was the peak of that era.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
Yeah, that's the moment.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
Yeah, that's like I didn't really I haven't still have
a watched TV leading up to that note it's like
not readily available. But there's like Wrestling Challenge I think
was their big show in that era, so you know,
that's where it happened. That's where the Challenge happened with
Andrea Challenge and Hogan and everything. That's where Hogan accepted it.
So Wrestling Challenge was like their weekly show, and it's like,

(43:35):
didn't really watch anything leading up to it. But it
really felt like, Okay, Hogan's gonna lose, but man, when
he slams Andre, that's gonna be crazy. And it's like
that almost seemingly is what people wanted to see. It's like, Okay,
if he loses, he loses, but we need to see
him slam on Andre. That's why they'd rarely even talk
about him beating Andre. It's him slamming Andre.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, it's just him slamming You don't even know who
won the match, just like if I just slamed that
one time.

Speaker 7 (44:04):
But either way, there's there's a lot of moments to
chuse for.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I'm sure we've missed a couple. I mean, there was
some low lights too. He had the monster truck match
with the Giant, you know with the Giant and Halloween
Havoc ninety five where the Giant fell off the building
and then came back later in the night without a scratch.
And then then they summoned the Mummy. They summoned the
Mummy the Yetta so they can double team Bear Hug Hogan,

(44:31):
and Hogan had the task Master face paint on his.

Speaker 8 (44:34):
Head, like, hold on, I forgot about the giant falling off.

Speaker 7 (44:38):
Come on, bro, how can you forget about that?

Speaker 6 (44:42):
I think that's why the heel turned so great, because
then he could finally be like, yeah, this crap was
trash man, like I'm bored, brother, you know, like that
was great.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
From ninety six it was it was garbage.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
And then he flaked it around.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
He turned the brother Brude Eye turning on a big moment.

Speaker 7 (45:02):
Oh no, my brother Brude Eye.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
That was the first show I ordered on pay per
view Halloween ninety four, Brother Brude Eye.

Speaker 7 (45:14):
Oh my god, woof, woof.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
How about how about when he went to the dungeon
of Doom's Layer and it's like, ah, there's no Huoko
maniacs here, the water's.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
Hot or something like that.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Whatever he said, Oh man, there was some good time,
some fun times, some little lights again, you know, how
about or oh man, I'm speaking of a highlight. The
twin referee the facial surgery with Earl Hebner and Brian
Hebner at Saturday Nights main event. Classic Angle could never
be topped as far as ring angle.

Speaker 7 (45:50):
In my opinion, that's brilliant, brilliant.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I think Ted should have been a champion longer, but
brilliant and Hogan grabs him both and looked at him
and it's.

Speaker 7 (46:02):
Like, oh, I can't believe it. How much did he pay?
How much did Ted pay?

Speaker 6 (46:10):
If I went to a plastic surgeon with a picture
of Earl Heaven, like make me look like this guy.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
They'd be like, get out, that's wrong with you?

Speaker 6 (46:19):
Sucks, you're right.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Early or here we go or the Megapowers exploding like tremendous,
Probably the best story, one of the probably the best
story Hogan was ever part of. Just pure story and
at least in w W he unless you count the
nw A is a better story. But does him and
Savage from WrestleMania Ford to restamate even before Wrestlmingia for

(46:43):
when they first became the Megapowers all the way through
WrestleMania five, brilliant storytelling, Like probably the best story Hogan
was ever part of. That's to me better than the
Warrior story, dere story. It wasn't really a story as
much as it's just like this mag just massive match.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
There was build up to that.

Speaker 7 (47:01):
It was like, no, that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Was like three months, yeah, a couple of months if that. Yeah,
And they just announced it like a table where Hogan
was like trembling. He couldn't contain himself, so so many good.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
That Red Ready Savage was so great. That storyline too,
like probably the m v P, but you.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Know it was. It was because.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
Like reality too, you know, like it's like I could
see why Ready feels this way. He's being a little much,
but I could see why he feels this way.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I understood it as well, got lust in his eyes.
Bro I saw it too, And as I got older,
I saw the less in Hogan's eyes. Oh, I see
what he's talking about now, was watching it, you know.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
With Hogan, Like, I'm just surprised. I can't go that roll.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
I think what they did was better.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Grant standing and hot talking, take it back, grand standing
hot dogging. But I feel like when I first saw
that angle when I was a kid, I was still
a team Hogan like, and I like watching back because
obviously I wasn't even alive when it first happened.

Speaker 7 (48:11):
But as I got that that an.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Adult, I'm like, yo, I can see the lost the lust,
those lust four eyes from Hogan. I see what Savage
was talking about.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Savage tripping, he was not. He was tripping, but he wasn't.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
I mean he was, Yeah, he was tripping, but he
was also being.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Gasolins a little too much, like he.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Was playing in my face. Hogan, I know what you're doing,
playing in my face. But let's talk about other things
that Hogan did, like movies. We talked about a movie
he did last week, Cross Suburban Commando. Of course he
did Rocky three first when he was Thunderlips and Rocky
three that's what really kind of put him on the
map as far as movies. But of course we got

(48:52):
to talk about No Holds Barred, which I'm sure was
like for kids of that time, Brian, you might remember
massive movie because it's movies and wrestling altogether.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
And then he got the line of what's that smell?

Speaker 6 (49:12):
I just don't see how it's worse than Suburban Commando, though,
are you serious? It's such a good movie.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
Oh my god, it's far worse as Suburban Commando.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Suburban Commando is like some work. It's competent. It's a
competent movie.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Christopher Lloyd and the production.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
And there's some funny scenes like the scene when it's like, oh,
we were we're not gonna fight you will just suit you.

Speaker 7 (49:34):
It's the nineties. I was brilliant. Oh that was hilarious,
was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
No Holds Barrow was complete trashy, you know, no redeeming
qualities and that none.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
Then they killed the guy at the end, remember that.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Then they like murder alive of the TV producer or
whatever the bad guy, and everybody's like yay, like fireworks,
Yeah he's going now now TV is saved.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
I don't know, it was crazy seeing him wear that
title like in the movie, but he's wearing like blue
and like silver. I was like, this is so weird.
It's like an alternate reality.

Speaker 7 (50:14):
We still haven't covered all of his movies.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
We did, uh, Standing with Muscles, which is probably not
it's probably on part with No Hold Spart honestly, probably
more entertaining than No Hold Spark, no less entertaining than.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
The Hold Spart.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I just say, at least No Holds bart has some
just completely over the top scenes that redeem it, where
uh Standing with Muscles just doesn't just.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
Rough rough storytelling. Uh, But he did other stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I haven't seen all of his movies, so we gotta
get through his catalog at some point, just just.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
To fully judge on those three so far.

Speaker 7 (50:47):
Yeah, do we have to We gotta be thorough, Brian.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
We can't completely judge his catalog without going through the
entirety of it.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
Right, we'll have thunder on that too.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Right now, it'll be this sing you had the same
you'll have the same opinion of it as if you
went through the entire catalog you were singing on movie three.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yes, we've done sanding with We did No Holds Bar first.
That was a while ago, Standing with Muscles, and then
we just just did Suburban Commando last week.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Okay, all three trash. So if you go through movie
for or what was it Mister Nanny or something like.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
That about Mister Nanny. I got about Mister.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
Nan like a TV movie series type thing.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
It was like the show.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Yeah, we definitely have to do that because I remember
watching that like all the time.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Man, I don't remember the sing episode. That's all I
cared about.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Let's have a salt on Devil's Island because they cut
Nitro or uh. I remember because they were at the
super Dome they were doing Hogan versus the Giant. After
the Giant was kicked out of the nWo, They're like, oh,
we have assault Devia's Island coming up after Night tro
But in between commercial breaks, we'll come back and we'll
have this main event and everything. And so I remember

(52:13):
staying up and watching some of that because I was like,
I gotta see Hawk versus the Giant or the commercial breaks.
So I didn't watch the whole assault of Deva's Island,
but I just remember Tony Shavanni constantly saying it, and
it's embedded into my brain. I don't even know if
that's available for streaming at this point.

Speaker 7 (52:32):
Oh, it probably stays on a rookie channel for free.
I just looked it up. Okay, I'm already I.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
Can access that, can I I'm out?

Speaker 7 (52:40):
I don't know. Wasn't he in a Three Ninjas movie?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
He was.

Speaker 7 (52:46):
Let me see here.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
He was in the Omega Mountain high noon at Mega Mountain.
This is when he cut his hair. Yes, ah, that's
when he had the haircut on w CW.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
It came out in ninety eight. Man, we're going to
do that that one day.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
That wasn't part of the good Three Ninjas run. I
mean Three Ninjas and Three Ninjas Kickback, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I didn't even I've never seen Kickback. I've only seen
the original. The original is still a banger. I've just
watched it, like maybe within it last year.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
Still goes hard. He loves and Lee Man love that movie.
Tom Tom. He was great and it beat them.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
He was a crash out.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
He was a crash out. Also, they were the best
hoopers of all time.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
He just dunking at like ten they was. He was
gliding through the air from the free throw line.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
Boom. He said, you up, whop, you up? No nothing,
I got this okay, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
And it was the best dribblers they can they can
handle dropping doms like Jason.

Speaker 7 (53:52):
Kidd like what what.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Was guy?

Speaker 7 (53:57):
They should not have.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Been karate fighting and get them on a basketball gude,
get them on the AU team right now.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
They would have got They would have got all their revenue.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
Or else.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Beat you up for it some time the cake when
it came runing through, John Nick, you gotta watch this movie.
You gotta watch the movie. We're not gonna deep dive it.
We'll deep dive the other three Ninjas because it got
Holgan in it.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
And I've never seen it just based off the photos.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
I'm not sure about it.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
When they were on TV or something. But it's been
so long that I definitely don't remember.

Speaker 7 (54:35):
Man, that original three ninjas Man classic.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
We gotta treat it.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
We gotta treat it like paid it for.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
You gotta gottat and you got to give us a review.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
What a life Hawk Hogan lived. Man, lots of good,
some bad, I guess, lots of bad in some ways too.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
But.

Speaker 7 (54:56):
Lots of good. Uh, and did a lot of things.
He was a great wrestler, did a lot of movies.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
The TV shows the Hogan knows best? Did that any
of you watch that? I remember watching it at some
point then I just got bored, so I stopped.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
I did for a little bit when it was first out.
You know, this is when reality TV shows were everywhere,
Like I mean they're still everywhere, but like they were
popping up left and right, and I was at the
age where I was still watching them, so I would watch,
like I remember when I was watching like Flavor.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
Of Love, like that was lit back in the day
on v H one.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
But then they had.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
They had like Rock of Love or Brett Michaels h
and all these women were falling over Brett Michaels.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
And then they had like like spinoffs, like New York
had a spin off and all that, and then of
course they had Hogan Knows Best and it was just
riding around with Hawk Hogan as he lived his life.
So I did watch like maybe a season or two
of that, but that didn't stick with it past like
that time in my life pretty much.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
But it was all for a while. It was a
popular show.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
That's how the introduced the Brook.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
Yes, yeah, well I I saw Nick on the episode
of Nitro, so I already knew he existed. I didn't
know his personality though. He's the one that brought or
packed Hogan's redd and yellow in his suitcase. He didn't.
He didn't realize it until he was at this arena

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and that's when he donned the red and yellow again.
I believe it was the same the episode of Nitro
that was against uh Chris Jericho's Raw debut, his WF debut.
I believe that was the same week. If it was not,
then it was the week after. But I remember that
part of the show where it was like his son

(56:44):
packed the red and yellow and he wanted him to
wear it. So I know that music because his red
and yellow music started playing, and Tony Schavada was like,
wait a second, he.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
That was great.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
We all do.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
I'm going to go re I'm going to go watch
that again because by the way they reacted was hilarious.
And he was just back in black and white, you know,
a couple of months later, but still funny.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
How Cogan man, it's he did. Look despite all the
nonsense that DNA. Oh man, let's talk about it. Let's
talk about it.

Speaker 7 (57:20):
How how did how?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
It went?

Speaker 7 (57:23):
Pretty poorly? Honestly? Uh where TNA brought in Haw Coogan
and Eric.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Bischoff and mind you TNA they brought them in with
oh nine ten I think it was twenty ten, late nine.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Late nine, beginning of twenty ten. And listen, I don't
think anyone blamed them at the time because like they
were trying to legitimately compete with W and they was.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
They were doing. The problem was before they came, TNA
was doing pretty good.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
I agree, like they were.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
They were putting people with seats.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
They and raised it ratings. But their product was obviously
better than w's at the time.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But they were still like putting people in these arenas.
They weren't running the biggest arenas in the world, but
they like but they would do their pay per views
at like other arenas.

Speaker 7 (58:13):
Yeah, and their pay per views were still drawn like fie.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
W type arenas that they're doing now. They weren't selling
out arenas and stuff, so, like, I.

Speaker 7 (58:21):
Know, not major arenas.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
I think that was like what we were hoping, especially
as a fan at the time, I'm like, Oh, they're
gonna get big eventually, they're gonna be like WCW was.
They just never got there. But they were selling out
those arenas for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, and they just broke their attendance record Aslam Reversary.

Speaker 7 (58:39):
They had seventy six hundred people that was broken before.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I don't know when they actually broke set their record
think the second in like set in twenty thirteen actually,
But either way, they were doing all right.

Speaker 7 (58:50):
The product was good. They were kind of.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Building some momentum, and in Hogan came in with Bischoff
and I to your point, I guess they saw it
as these guys had success in WCWA.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
You they know what it takes to compete against w W.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
We're gonna do the same thing with these two guys,
and they're gonna transform the company. The problem was they
did they They went against WW literally head to head,
which is like, whoa, that's not what should have happened.
And then they took away the six out of the ring,
which I know the wrestlers didn't always love, but like
that's what kind of made to you and that unique.
But I understand why they changed made the change, but
it just it just didn't come off well.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
I had it the sixth side of the ring, but
that I loved it when they got rid of it,
and it was more so like damn haulk really crapped
on the fans love that. It's like, don't you want
to Like you're supposed to be here to give the
fans what they want, and now you're crapping on them
for loving the six sided ring because they were like
chanting six sides or something like that. And he's like,
that's dead and buried. Brother, it's crazy.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
That's nuts. That's nuts. The thing is, though, there's just
the product immediately like kind of like changed.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
It came w light, yeah, the same way like last
year AW became WW light for a little bit. Thankfully
they're not anymore. But it was just that you had
a lot of WWE XWW guys and then you were
doing like things that people wanted to see like you
would tune into WWE to see that, and then it

(01:00:18):
was like, oh, now it's everywhere, you know, And I
remember thinking like, dude, like I would if I wanted
to see this, I would watch WWE. And again, at
the time, w's product was cheeks was it was we.
TNA's product was great, and then we had this and
it was like, oh, come on, you guys are doing

(01:00:40):
so good. Like you just left left and alone, like
why are you changing so much? We didn't really need
to change everything. You can change for some things and
tweak some things, but not the products.

Speaker 7 (01:00:53):
They went for. And it didn't work. Almost immediately didn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I don't think there was really anything that really that
you can say like that Hogan and Bischoff regime did
positively for TNA. I don't know if anything has started
to dissent the downfall of TNA and now they've come
out of it recently and think some part to ww's
you know, partnership, part of the reason why they putting

(01:01:19):
seven thousand people in an NHL arena for Sam Slammiversary,
you know, and.

Speaker 7 (01:01:24):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
But yeah, it just overnight just didn't work. They brought
in Jeff Hardy, they brought in Rick Flair, didn't They
turn aj styles into like little nah pretty much like
then they had storylines over like Hulk Hogan's Cape from
Rocky three or like you do remember that Matt Morgan
I think was just took his cape.

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
I think I was suned out by that point because
they didn't. They were only head to head with Raw
from Johannuary to Bay of that year twenty ten. So
like I think the by like maybe week three, I
was like, Okay, I'm not I'll DVR, but I'm not
watching it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
They had a go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
It took them four months to realize that was dumb.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
Honestly, Well, I'm pretty sure Bischoff spearheaded that because he's
like I did it with night Trow, now I'm gonna
do it with Impacts.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
They wanted to flick okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yeah, and then did it with the company with less
much much less money disposal.

Speaker 7 (01:02:20):
Hey, Ted Turner was not walking through that door.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
And they had a story too over haulk Hogan's Hall
of famering, his WWE Hall of famering? Like why did
y'all do that? Why did y'all do that? But so yeah,
that that that was a thing. That was a thing
that he did and it didn't necessarily work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
I'm glad I didn't watch any of that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I mean, but this time period also gave us Hawk
Hogan's last televised match.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
Do you know where that took place?

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Philadelphia, PA at the Lea Korus Center.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
One Bound for Glory against the man called Sting. I
remember that that was like a big deal from that time.
It was at least within Philly and with like amongst
the wrestling fans, and it was like a bloody mess.
Hogan was juice and juice and the Sting was this
is jokers thing, I think too, Yeah, which was great.

Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
I think Hogan was a heel heel authority figure, like
what have we done?

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
The lead in I thought was actually really good because
it was like Hogan was like, I'm not gonna Sting
kept you know, challenging him, no a match, and Hogan's like,
I can't, I can't wrestle, and then Sting they did,
like the sting where Sting caught Hogan talking to Bischoff
in my locker room, you know, through the security camera
or whatever about him. He was lying about something. Go figure.

(01:03:47):
But they wound up coming to a head in the ring.
Stings in the ring. Hogan's watching this play out in
the ring, and he totally like flips that Sting. He's like,
I'll never wrestle again, but I'll fight you, and I'll
fight you bout for glory or something like that, and
if you beat me, then I'll give you and Dixie
Carter the company back or something like that. I'm paraphrasing.

(01:04:08):
The promo was so good, like a I don't know
if obviously it was taped, impact was taped, so I
don't know how often they did it, but I remember
reading the spoilers and even people were like, dude, this
is like awesome. So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna
watch it. And I thought Hogan's reaction to Sting was great,
and because right after he's like, if you beat me,
I'll give you and Dixie Carter the company back, because

(01:04:30):
Sting was apparently, you know, authority figure before this at
some point, and right after he said that, like he
kind of like put his hand on his back like
oh shit, we like what did I do? Type of thing.
So in terms of wrestling, and again, this was what
twenty thirty was it twenty eleven. That was that happened

(01:04:51):
twenty eleven and twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
I don't know which one are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
The Sting in Hogan match that was twenty eleven, twenty eleven, so,
you knoww product not great at the time, and Bound
for Glory was in October, right, so I guess it's
right after the seampunk thing where everyone was kind of like, Okay,
let's see where this goes, and then they Kevin Nash
just comes in and ruins everything and Triple Ah ruins everything.
So we're like just coming off of that and it's

(01:05:19):
like okay, like, yeah, Hogan might not wrestle, but like
he'll he's gonna fight Sting and that'll be interesting because
we have nothing else inw Like everything sucks, so at
least we got this. And that was kind of my
thought process around this time.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Brian, what about you? What was your thought process around
that time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Around twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, I wasn't watching wrestling at all, so I listen
the stuff that y'all talking about right now, like it's
the first time here, and I didn't know Hogan's Farewell
aged Wing, its sting in DNA in Philly, Philthy, I

(01:06:04):
did not know that. Man, He's got something new every day.
So twenty eleven, man, I was getting ready to have
my second kid, and I was paying bills.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
I was a grown man in twenty eleven. I feel that.
I feel that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
But I think we've covered the pretty much hal Cogan's
career right unless we talk about his training in veran
Gania's camping back in Minnesota.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
We pretty much covered his career.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Anything else to mention about haulk Cogan before we kind
of touch on something else real quick.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
I just hope you know the people that were around
him that said he was fine are like okay, like
was he really fine? Or were they covering for him?
You know, people caring for him. You know, Jimmy Hart
just posted with yesterday that Hawks do a great baby.
I was like, okay, like, what's the truth here. It's
kind of what I'm not that I necessarily need to know,
but it's like, Okay, at some point you got a

(01:06:58):
lot of people telling us Hawks fine, and then this happens,
and it was kind of like, okay, Like that's kind
of why I was shocking to be to see that
earlier today. Yeah, what like that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I mean people be lying too, like people be covering
stuff up all. We don't want people to know what
the real condition is, you know, so that stuff that
happened or they were telling the truth, and this was
a sudden thing that was completely separate from what was
going on before.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
He's still seventy one things be happening. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Uh so, let's make an awkward transition to another topic
that we started talking about before the show a little
bit here, and that is ww's ticket prices because WWE.
I mean, we talked about this a little bit before,
how it's orbited the ticket prices are for WWE. But man,
this sticker shock is still going on. As I got

(01:07:46):
an email recently about a deal that WW was doing
for like a four pack of tickets, and I saw
ooh one hundred and thirty dollars and I was like,
oh wait, that's per ticket.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
Good lord, are raw for what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
And I'm sure the upper level seats are also like
one hundred dollars or so, and it's just.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
Like yeah, I through their website and it's like stick
of dsster. The top levels for like one hundred dollars
and one hundred and forty dollars, which is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Man, that's a lot. Man, if I made w if
I see this, go ahead, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
When the hell has five hundred and twenty dollars ever
been a deal? Like?

Speaker 9 (01:08:32):
What are we talking about here? That's the one hundred
and thirty dollars four times five hundred. That's that's a
half of stack for wrestling.

Speaker 8 (01:08:43):
I don't know for raw No, I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Straight, and the wrestlers the ain't even get a most
of it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
I mean they ain't get it cut in that revenue. Boy,
they get that check and they go home. I'm not
working through on the days year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Now we teammate you over here, man, we go today live.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
Look affordable elite wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Honestly, bro wait, affordable economic.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Economic Honestly, if I'm a w I'm promoting us as
the it's over here. The thing in theory would say
we're the more at least the more affordable product. I'm
not sure about if I can say the more family friendly.
Only because we just had a guy get stabed in
the head with a fork at the biggest show of

(01:09:37):
the year, and I think will are you to right?
And I think will are you to just bled in?
Like the opening match of Dynamite last night. Like so
you know, as much as you can say like family friendly,
it's not really that family friendly, but affordable, more affordable
than w W yes, and I would promote that, honestly.
I would say, Hey, you can get these tickets for
X amount of dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
Bring you in the family now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Again, make sure they're of aids just in case some
blood I get spilled. But bring you in a friend,
bring some buddies. Make it an outing something like that,
because WWE is they skyrocking and these prices right now,
and you're aw, you're still the little engine that could. Yeah,
you're the second place, and you're the second biggest promotion,
and you put in twenty some thousand people, almost thirty

(01:10:20):
thousand people in the stadium in Texas in a Globe
Life park, but you're still second to WWE. You gotta
find some way to DIFFERENTI yourself, differentially yourself from a
promotional standpoint, and one way to do that is to say, hey,
we're the more affordable product. I watched as a kid
growing up arena football, and one thing they would promote

(01:10:40):
is that we are the more fan friendly, accessible product.

Speaker 7 (01:10:43):
You can come.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
You can you can get a ball thrown into the stands,
you can keep the ball after the games. The players
are required to stay on the field and sign autographs,
and you can't get that in other sports. You can
get that here, and it's more affordable fun for the
whole family. And that worked for a little while. It
didn't work forever because as the evening, the Football League
is not what it used to be, clearly. But back
in the two thousands, in the late nineties and two thousands,

(01:11:06):
when they had major owners and John bon Jovie and
it had an EA Sports video game, it was working
to a certain extent. I think AW do the same thing,
and I think it could work. I know you don't
want to cheapen your product necessarily, that's what that would
be the I think the argument against that, you don't
want to make it seem cheap. But man, at this rate,

(01:11:30):
I don't think people will care because I don't people.
They're just less suspendable money to go to. It costs
more money to go to w W show. The expendable
income is.

Speaker 7 (01:11:40):
Is not there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
It's not that's a vacation, bro. I can spend that
money on a flight. Those those I haven't been priced
out of planes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yet that's definitely a round trip American Airlines flight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
To somewhere, not even international some I mean somebody. It
could be international, but it could be somewhere to that domestic.
But like you said, Americans, so sure not spirits. Spirits
much cheapen than that Frontier.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Spirit is the A.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
And Spirit will tell you the heartbeat. We are affordable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Yeah, we're not gonna give you anything extra everything we
want Nickel and Dinby for every little thing. But like,
the ticket ain't gonna cost that much. Now, if you
want a person to assist you, that would be thirty dollars.
You want a soda, that'll be ten dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:12:31):
You know what I'm saying. But like the ticket is
still gonna be sixty bucks round trip. Get We're gonna
get you there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Your back might hurt because the chair is uncomfortable, but hey,
you're gonna get there. That's real talk, though, bro out
of flowing Rover, the front Frontier and Spirit. Too many times,
it's like three times, it's too many times.

Speaker 7 (01:12:56):
Too many times. The major sporting events too, it's like,
oh did I take that to this Super Bowl? What's
wrong with me?

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
That deserves better to save money, bro, trying to say
the company money. Trying to say the company money. It's
not even my money.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Oh wow, stupid me, Yeah, different.

Speaker 7 (01:13:13):
Stupid me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
The jokes on me, Brian, What was I thinking we
should get airline sponsorship or something. Come on the open,
We're open, bro.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
But yeah, that's that would be my strategy at least
to a certain extent. With AW.

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
I just it's too much with w't whole through your
pocket instead of wearing the best wrestled pretty much where
we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
The thing is, though, WW can do it because people
are still willing to buy it, and at one point
are people going to.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Be like, nah, not yet. They're not there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
They're not there yet, And there's always people who want
to be on the scene and want to feel special.

Speaker 7 (01:13:59):
So that's been the extra money, even if they going broke.
I don't know if people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Some people have to be going broke in some way,
some not everybody in their filthy rich. Somebody had to
spend their last to go to WrestleMania this year. Absolutely
somebody had to have been. You can't convince me otherwise.
So but at what point will it be an issue
for fans? And it will it affect or impact attendance?

(01:14:24):
I don't know, but right now it's to go to
Monday Night Raw, not even before SummerSlam.

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
I could see if it was like on a lead
up to SummerSlam.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Maybe we're talking about two weeks after SummerSlam going into
Clash of Paris, Clash, Clash in Paris, Clash in Paris.
So you're going to a w W show anytime soon, Brian,
you're taking You're taking the kids to the w W show.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
No, they don't know, No, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I told you were going to that residency, the AEW Residency.
If Philly we go, I'm I'm gonna put aside like
two fifty three dollars and we're gonna go to four
shows and we're gonna have a blast.

Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
Absolutely did the cheese?

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
I think Tony Lukes still around there and get a
cheese taken around there, something like that. Hey, if you
really into this, you can go this strip joint around there's.

Speaker 7 (01:15:17):
A strip club around here too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
My kid with me, not you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
I'm talking about other people, not you, just in general, right,
I said, I said, if you're into this, first, I
prefaced it you specifically, you can't take the children the
children to this purple man. I'm sorry you can't take
the cheering up there, but yeah, ainntybody else interest there's

(01:15:45):
still plenty of the duo around there, uh at twenty
three hundred arena. But yeah, that's it's interesting and it'll
be interesting to see how many people go.

Speaker 7 (01:15:55):
I'm sure they're gonna have a full crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
And maybe they'll do some giveaways, maybe they'll do some
discount of tickets day of something like that, you know,
to fill it up, make it look nice.

Speaker 7 (01:16:04):
But it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
They filled up with the convention center that was packed
in Atlantic City.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
So for collition, when was that this year?

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
Was it twenty four?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
That was that was earlier this year. I was like
a couple of months.

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
Ago, Yeah you were, yeah, yeah, you're gonna couple on
to give a report.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
But yeah, but I was, I was. I was hungover,
I hungover from a w I was waked out, I
was tired.

Speaker 7 (01:16:42):
I wanted to in Atlantic City.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
No, but it was, it was. It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
So my daughter was like, yeah, when they come to Philly,
we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
I was like, oh, you sound like you're the one
that's paying for it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
But okay, you got going to aw money now, okay,
you call me shots in my head.

Speaker 7 (01:17:07):
The bills paid to you might as well cover the mortgage,
you know, go to work, clock in, clock out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
The mortgage, the note, all that cover all that.

Speaker 7 (01:17:16):
Don't forget. Don't forget the utilities.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Now, gotta will we'll all spray Jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
That was one hundred and ten dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
They'll get you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
They will. On the merch, the ticket prices is just
like spirit. The ticket is cheap, but everything else.

Speaker 6 (01:17:38):
And that's not for people like me who just go
there and sit and don't do anything except watch.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Ain't buying no hot dog, ain't buy no SODA's not
buy no merch. I kind of come with a I
think water before I got it. I'm good, I ate
before I came.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
I'm all right. I can't do that though, Bro, That's
part of the experience, right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
Especially with that, I feel sure.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Yeah, And the kids they always want something from there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
It's just like going to the movies. You can't just
go to the move. Who just goes to the movies?
You got to you go to it.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
You go to an Eagles game or a Phillies game.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
You'll see how many people are drinking outside the stadium
before they go in, so they can buy at least
less beer before they get in. They might still buy
a beer when they get in, but you're buying less
beer now because you have three in the parking lot.

Speaker 8 (01:18:28):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:18:28):
So tailgating is an actual experience onto itself, right, So
that uh, some people, some people just tailgate and don't
even go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
To the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean so it's
not it's not a it's not even necessary necessarily has
to be a packet deal.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Tailgating and going to the game.

Speaker 7 (01:18:51):
You can do either or that is true.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
People do that all the time, especially here in Philadelphia
before Eagles games. They will hang out parking lot and
watch it on TV. I don't blame him, but anything
else will? We wrap it up here for episode four
thirty seven of The Straight Shooters again this emergency podcast,
emergency edition of The Straight Shooters.

Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
Brian, I'll start with you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Yeah, I got one more thing. I wonder if Tony
Shvanni did his uh, did his call after he got
the news.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
That the bash at the beach call?

Speaker 7 (01:19:33):
Oh man, what was the call?

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
What was it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
I don't remember coc good hell, Oh my god, shake
the hell sat down.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Oh man, that's why Nick started laughing before I even finished.
I did.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
I didn't know. I legit, did not know. It's like,
what is he what line is you talking about? I
need to know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
He may be wearing U red, but he's wearing red
and yellow. Oh man, he he roasted on the Yeah
he got it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
He got in bad hot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
That's one of my favorite calls ever. Well, favorite sign.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
Dude. I've never heard a commentator go in like that either.
So I remember when I heard it for the first time,
I'm like, holy shit, like damn. And I the first
time I watched that because I got bashed at the
Beach ninety six on VHS from like Sam Goodie or something.
But it was like ninety eight or ninety nine, you know,
so it was a long time after that, and I

(01:20:33):
still remember being like, holy crap.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Yeah, that's a dope moment. All right.

Speaker 7 (01:20:42):
Well, Brian take us out with some plugs.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Please, okay?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Jet Black Volume one, Fear of a Black Planet is
on Amazon. We just passed the five hundred copies soul marked,
so that's pretty dope. Yeah, thanks August fifth, I'll be
at ac Jokes in Atlantic City as well as August
twenty third and August sixteenth, I'll be in Philadelphia singing jokes.

(01:21:15):
I don't know the exact thing you for that, but
you can check out everything on my dates, Jet Black
Merch Everything is at Brianisleylive dot com and you can
follow me at the Brianisley on Instagram and Brianisley on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Nick.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
You can follow us at Shooters Radio on Twitter. We're
also on Blue Sky, at Shooters Radio Instagram, threads at
Shooters Radio as well. We're also on Facebook, Facebook, dot com, Slash,
Shooters Radio and Shooterspod dot com where you can see
everywhere we're available. You can also follow me at Underscore
pacone on Twitter and TikTok and at pacone on Blue

(01:21:59):
Sky and at pecone Nick on threads for all my
Philly sports and wrestling content. You can also check this
podcast out at foxph Gambler dot com. Click on the
podcast tab. We're listed right there. Straight Shooters Wrestling Podcast
at fox phl Gambler dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
All right, well, I am at von M. Johnson on X,
Vaughn Johnson on Blue Sky, and Vaughn Johnson one six
six on Instagram. We're on Patreon Patreon dot com slash
Shooters Radio. Well, you can go to request a future
deep dive who will be getting into the back into
the deep dives very soon.

Speaker 7 (01:22:38):
We got a couple lined up before Summer slam.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
You can request one though again Patreon dot com Slashooters Radio.
When you do request one, you can make a cameo
on the show that we're diving into. So again Patreon
dot com slash Shooters Radio for Nick Pocone and Brian Eisley.
Thanks for listening to episode four thirty seven of The
Straight Shooters and we'll catch you again very soon.

Speaker 7 (01:23:00):
Hey Cleavage, wake up the show.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Oh yeah, Jiggy

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