447: WWF Survivor Series '92 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up everyone out there at internet Land, and welcome
to episode four forty seven of the Straight Shooters available
wherever podcasts are found. My name is Vaughan Johnson, and
I'm Jon as always by my main man Pots and Pans,
Nick Pocona, crossing broad and Fox PHL the Gambler, and
we have yet another fantastic show ahead of us here
on episode four to forty seven. It is a deep dive.

(00:36):
We're diving deep into another Thanksgiving classic from WWF. We
did Survivor Series nineteen ninety one last week. Well, we're
jumping ahead a year for this episode Survivor Series nineteen
ninety two, and it's a very interesting time in the
history of pro wrestling. We're gonna talk all about it
and not deep dive. But before we get into that
and the current day nonsense, of course, I gotta do

(00:57):
my weekly check on my main man, Pots and Pans. Nick.
How are you on this wonderful Friday evening? Sort of
my good.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Brother funny thing here, I thought Survivors Series was this
weekend for like the last three days. I guess when
I have wrestling on in the background, I'm really really
not paying attention apparently. So I'm sitting here earlier today
at work and I'm just like, oh, like Survivor series
is tomorrow, and started looking up the card and everything

(01:27):
just to see if I because I know, like the
main wargames matches, but and I think CE that versus
Dombasterio again. But I looked at it and it was
like November twenty ninth. I'm like, wait, that's not tomorrow.
So yeah, it's been It's been a week so far
for me, busy, busy week than busier than usual. I
didn't get to uh last weekend. After we recorded our

(01:51):
last podcast, I decided, uh, you know, we talked about
me getting a VCR and me going you know, you know,
having the wrestling tape collection and not. Well, I decided,
I guess I'm going to have to organize it in
a way, in a way where I have thirteen boxes
of VHS tapes. So I'm going to go through every box,

(02:15):
look at the tapes that are in there and just
kind of write, you know, type down which are in there.
I'm not going to organize them by year or company
or anything like that, so they'll still be like mismatched around,
but at least I have a document that you know,
tells me where they are, what box they're in. The

(02:36):
I think I'm going to add a number to the
tape per box. So so far, I've gotten through four
boxes this week, and it takes me about three to
four hours, dude, to get through one box, like about
fifty five ish tapes. I did a really really poor
job labeling a lot of these when I was younger.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Well, you were a child, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
And you know my parents, you know, did better labeling,
uh with them when I was younger, But then when
I started labeling myself. It's really funny. I was like
growing up, I remember like taking the tape from my mom.
I was like, no, let me label it. And you know,
that's kind of how the tradition was passed on to me.
Where I started labeling my wrestling tapes, I would just

(03:22):
label it some really really the dumbs, like just the
name of the event, not the date, not the year.
I have a tape that was just like WWF, no mercy.
So I'm like, oh, what the hell's this? Like, I
got to put it in my VCR. I got to
like check out the first match or the opening to
see with what year it's from, and then I have

(03:44):
to fast forward all the way after the event. Because
there were a lot of times where I would record
the Monday Night Rawl or WCW Nitro after a pay
per view on the same tape, just for you know,
chronological purposes, and I'd never labeled it on the tape itself,
so I didn't do it, you know, when I was

(04:07):
taping them when I was a kid. But like when
I started taping every weekly show, is when I started
taping the Raw or Nitro or even SmackDown after a
pay per view, So I had to go through. I
had to like put so many in my VCR and
just fast forward through it just to see what's on there.
Because I've had tapes where I've had four WCW Monday

(04:32):
nightros from September nineteen ninety eight taped over each other,
because apparently I was not a fan of the show
back then as much as Raw at the time, because
w was late ninety eight man brutal, and I wouldn't.
I would just be like, there's no reason for me
to keep this on tape. I'm just going to tape over.

(04:53):
It's nothing could happened. I don't like this Hogan Warrior stuff,
so maybe this week it'll be different. I would take
that week's nitro over last week's nitro. And then eventually,
I guess I just got fed up with it, and
I taped an sp mode WWF for all from October
ninety eight over four WCW Nitro. So after raw, you

(05:15):
see the end of like the previous nitro, and then
after that you see the end of the previous previous nightro,
and then you see the end of the previous previous
previous nightro. And I was kind of sitting there laughing.
I'm like, man, like, I forgot a lot of the
strange recording habits I had back then when I just
started recording like the weekly show to make sure like

(05:37):
I just had everything and it wasn't just the pay
per views anymore. I was recording Monday Night Raw, Nitro,
thunder SmackDown. So it brought me back to like, oh, man,
I remember doing that. Why the hell did I do that?
And through four boxes, I've asked myself that question no
less than a dozen times, be like, what the hell

(05:58):
was I thinking when I was again recording these?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
You were a child, So give yourself some grace.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I thought that was like my first real collection thing,
like I collected Action figures stuff like that. But when
I started taping wrestling, that was like my thing, you know,
like it was it was like a like what do
they call it, the coming of age of Nick Macone
is when I was taping wrestling and kind of that

(06:25):
was my thing. Everyone at school knew like I had
wrestling tapes, so I made it like by super serious.
That's what I'm known for type thing as a kid,
and just looking back and seeing how I tape some
of this stuff just makes me laugh. I have I
taped over those Disney tapes. I've said it before. There

(06:47):
was the end of Monday Night Raw, and then you
see Marv and Harry getting arrested on Home Alone because
I taped over Home Alone. So it's like I have
so I taped over for Willie Man. I taped over
Free Willie. We don't get to see Willy save himself
after he jumps over the rocks and escapes the people

(07:08):
trying to catch him because I was taping wrestling over it.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I mean, I'm not surprised by that. That sounds exactly
like what you know, adolescent Nick Pacohone would do for
free Willie. Absolutely not. No, no, I'm trying to watch
Bill Goldberg. I'm trying to watch Willi Goldberg.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay, I'm pretty sure I taped over The Little Mermaid,
you know. And these are things where I snuck down
to open r V We have like this big VHS
collection cabinet type thing, and I would make sure that
because my mom hated like the fact that I would
do that. If she saw me, I would ask her

(07:46):
at first, right like, hey, can I take can I
TAKEE Wrestling over this? We don't watch it anymore. She's
like she's like no, like no that we like that.
We bought that as a family, like it's our part
of our tape collection. And you know, I just two
months later I was like, oh, she'll probably forgot about that.
I would just take it and tape over it and
get that Scotch tape man put it over that tab

(08:08):
that's not there, and boom. You could tape over anything.
So that's what I did. And yeah, I'm interested to
see what else I taped over through my next you know,
nine nine or soap boxes that I have left to
go through and organize I have. You know, I didn't
know how I was going to do it, but I

(08:28):
have like it drawn out or written out on paper.
There's about six pages per box, and you know, I
separate them by number and box and then I just
list the events on there. So yeah, man, it's coming
along pretty well. I liked that I'm actually going to
be able to look at a document to see, okay,

(08:51):
I have that tape in that box instead of not
know where the hell anything is, so you know, it's
something cool. I guess, you know, project for me, and
hopefully I'll be done by Christmas.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
By Christmas, we'll see, We'll see what happens about Christmas. Uh,
let's get into the current day nonsense while we still
have some time to do it. Full Gear is this
weekend from AW Did you know that? Uh?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Because I thought it was Survivor series.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
We do have a pay per view this weekend. It's
not Survivor SITI, so it's Full Gear with obviously a
bunch of matches.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Cool well.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Main event is cage match Adam Page versus Samoa Joe,
and I would assume Adam Paige is going to retain.
But one thing I'm curious to see is it's just
how violent is it going to get.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
We just saw cage match. That's what I was just
I was gonna get to is sorry, how how how
violent are they going to get given that we just
had blood and Guts last week, which everybody survived from
very quickly. Because everybody's on the show this week too
at the brutal cage matches. Everybody's bleeding everywhere and all
that stuff, and they were just on the show this week.

(09:58):
But I guess we have twenty people involved in two
board games. Somebody got to wrestle. I guess somebody got
to go to work the next week. But yeah, I'm
interested in see that. We got Mercedes Monet versus Chris
Statlander for the aw Women's World title. Will Mercedes Moneque
add another title to her collection? I don't think she will.

(10:21):
I think this is the beginning of the downfall of
Mercedes Monette at least. Yeah, I would say the beginning
of the downfall, so to speak. And she maybe after
she loses this title. Over the course of time, she
starts to lose off. Was it now thirteen fourteen of
her titles whatever she has. I did like the spot
though in Blood and Guts where they put her through
the table that had all of her belts on top

(10:41):
of it. As soon as I saw like the table
with the belts on it, I was like, Mercedes Monet
is going through that table. There's no way she's not
going through that table. And one and behold she went
through that table.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
So it is the beauty of pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
That is the beauty. She gets her come up and
she goes through her own table of belts. I think
it's a wine glass that table too. I don't know.
But there's a bunch of matches on this card. By
the way, we got oh forgot, can't remember John Moxley
and Kyle Raley in a no holds bard match. See
what happens there. And Darby Allen versus Pack. That should
be fun as well and not violent because they're gonna

(11:16):
have a straight up regular wrestling match. Ooh, no violence.
So now Darby Allen, he's like, like, what am I
gonna do? I can't I can't use a flamethrower at
this time. So we'll see what happens at Full Gear
anything you know you're looking forward to when it comes
to they've got four pre show matches. There's a lot

(11:38):
of wrestling on this show. There's seventeen total matches on
this card if you count the pre show.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, that's that's just exhausting to hear.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be a long day if
you watch. This was a zero hour pre show and this.
They don't do these every month, so I guess they're like,
let's pack it in much as possible. But I think
thirteen matches or not, it's a world's end in September
or December, that's true. And I counted wrong. Thirteen total.
That's including the pre show. So on the on the
actual card probably got like eight two, three, four or five.

(12:14):
Isn't that six? Seven? Ye, it's like a normal card.
We got a lot of sports that I got to
pay attention to too all day. I hate I hate that.
But on Saturday, so we got on Saturday, we got
we got Villanova playing Temple or Villanova women and Temple
women not playing. I know that.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Villanova and Temple or an action. Penn State is an action.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't gids about Penn State.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Now, no basketball with sal and then the Flyers later.
It's just I mean, it's not gonna take away all
my time, but you know, I got to sort. I'd
rather sort my wrestling tapes than watch current man. Honestly,
Oh man, well, I mean I'll be I'll be paying
attention to it, but uh, probably not ordering it, probably
not watching it live.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Gotta pay attention to it. I gotta pay attention to it.
So you're gonna paying attention. It's gonna be tough to
pay attention to smack Down. When it returns to three
hours in January.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
It might be better. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't know about all that. Man. I'm not a
fan of three hour shows, so I can't see how
it's better. I know that since it's going to two hours,
it has necessarily improved. Two hours hasn't necessarily helped it,
But that thin't. That's more of a WW problem and
at a time constraint problem. Okay to me, three hours
doesn't help them. Now they got more time to fill great,

(13:29):
more bad writing, more bad stories.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh great, Maybe it can actually see somebody who defended
the title for once. That's oh after they haven't for
three months.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Or maybe you know, maybe there's no guarantee.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
You'll get some better blood lined stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
That's maybe how because more of it is going to
be better.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I need them to figure it out because I am
so not into virtually anything they're doing right now. I
don't think adding a third Roman to come back and
just be like, yo, solo, you and your guys are
with me, Jay and Jimmy are with me. Let's run
it back and then do something. I'd rather see that,

(14:15):
because what the hell's Roman doing? I don't want to
see Roman and Brock and war games.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well you're going to get it well, I.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Mean like, I guess I can't say that because I'm
sure like, don't make it feel important, and then if
I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, like that, that's cool.
But then I'm gonna get over it very very quickly,
and then it's gonna be like then what. So I'm
more I'm more looking forward. I'm more like at the
then what stage? Right now?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Well, we got a lot of stuff to still get
to get the war rumble, a lot of stuff that
needs to get done. But yeah, I feel you, it's
not exciting right now, and I don't think the third hour.
Adding a third hour is a solution, is not the
magic bullet for sure.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Has it hit you that we're going to see John
seen his last match in less than a month, and like,
do you care man?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Less than a month? It's like two weeks from now,
three weeks. Yeah, Uh, it is pretty surreal. It'll be
more surreal once it happens. Obviously, knowing that.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
You think, Okay, I'm not I'm not there yet. I
feel like I've already watched his last match, because.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I mean, I feel you on it. Not feeling like
a like an impending thing right now, because it's not
a lot of that. You know, they're doing the tournament,
there's still not a lot of excitement around it. But
I think when it gets close to the like the
week of, I think that whole nostalgia will kick in,
and that realization kick in is like, oh, this is
at least for now, this is it. Uh. And obviously

(15:42):
the night of is going to be all about him,
uh in his career, and rightfully so should be the
first hilarious jerk the curtain on this last night. And
now I think they'll I think they'll have a main
event against Gunther and we'll see what happens there. It's
a toss up to me who wins. Speaking of Gunther,
did you notice he had this old theme music.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
No because I missed that. I watched part of Raw,
but I missed his return.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
He did not have the Imperium song. He had the
Walter theme song, which is like, will he go back
to Walter soon too? Because look, look, I don't care
what nobody say. Walter is always better than Gunther. I
don't care Uther's had a bad name. Walter is always better.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
You can't mispronounce Walter because you're saying Gunther. I say Gunther, Guther.
I say it a bunch of different ways, like I
don't know how to say it, but I know how
to say Walter.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
So Walter, let's go for no nonsense, straightforward, I must
crush you kind of guy. And then his plane Jane,
no no frills. And then it's on top of that,
his name is Walter. Come on, man, that's money. I've
been saying it for years. They should have never changed
his name, Miss McMahon, what's wrong with you? When he
went to NXT trip late said your name is Walter.
We're keeping it because that's that's incredible, that's great. Then

(16:56):
he made him gun through and I guess it has
kept it. But to me get rid of Gunther, it's Walter.
Damn it, Walter. Right, So that's the first step. They
got his music back, and he came out in like
in a robe like Walter would not like in the jacket,
like the ring general or do so.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Did they call him the ring in general at all?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I don't recall.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I don't like all these monikers and whatnot, but.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
They maybe they did. I don't, honestly don't remember that,
but I do remember his theme music being different, even
though I liked the Imperium song, but when I heard
the old song, I was like, oh, Walter, where are
you that you? Is that you? Walter? So yes, SmackDown
being three hours potentially in the future. This is, according
to Russell votes, by the way, not fun. I hate

(17:39):
three hour wrestling shows. I don't think any wrestling shows
would be three hours outside of a pay per view.
I'll let you slide for a pay per view and
maybe wrestle Mania being an even longer show or something
like that, a bigger show being three three and a half,
maybe even four. But that's the max. I don't care.
Aw it should not be longer than four hours. Come
on so weekly. It's it's a lot. It's a lot.

(18:01):
The only thing I watch over the course of three
hours is sporting events like football or a basketball game,
but even then it's just way more excitement happening. WW
doesn't keep you captivated for three hours. They clearly struggle
with three hours. Writing scripted content for three hours every
week sounds like a nightmare. Don't do it. It sounds horrible.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
They have like you can afford it to take a
break from live sporting events, so it feels like if
you miss one thing, you don't know what the hell
people are talking about.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
But they also have off seasons, so we're wrestling, doesn't
and you just being creative for that period of time
that long, it's so that's so much. It's too much.
I think on to be creative for that long every
single week, and they clearly struggle with it. So we'll
see what happens with SmackDown. I envision it also struggle
with it because it brings out the worst in WW

(18:52):
as far as like the Dipomo parade. No, I'm the
number one contender. No, I'm the number one contend to
know I the number one contender? All right, tag team match,
I've got my right. Can't they coexist? Oh, I've got
my main event that I did not book before the show,
which is literally my job. I didn't even have a

(19:13):
main event before we went on the air. Now I've
got it. I've got it, Eureka, you two versus YouTube.
I'm a genius. Book it. No, man, I don't like that.
It got It gets old real fast. So I know
there's some people out there who are like, oh, this
is good because it gets more talent on the show too.
Damn bad bro, I don't like it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Well, I would have liked them to go back to
like having a B show for Raw B show for
SmackDown and maybe doing like so different than like that.
Because I have a tape full of Velocities. Oh my god,
two thousand and five Velocity London versus Frankie Kazarian Baby.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I didn't even know if Velocity is still on the air.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Until I looked it up. I was like, what year
is this from? I didn't write down the date.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I just assume two thousand and three.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Like it was December of five, I believe.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh man, at the last Velocity ever, I don't know
when did it go off the air.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I should looked at up on Saturday nights on TNN
or whatnot or.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
UPN Maybe I don't know. I do remember watching Velocity.
I did like the color scheme, the green color skin.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That was cool. It was definitely on TNN. I don't
know if it went to Spike TV.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
When it did TNN Spike TV, it went from two
thousand and two until September two thousand June two thousand
and six, Well, at least that's when it's on WW
dot com. They took it off the air in late
two thousand and five and then put it on WW
dot com for the next year until.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
It wasn't it was over five, man, it was probably
it was like five, and I was like, I get
Kazaria versus Paul London. Paul London was a Velocity veteran.
By the way, he was on there like every week.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It was mister mister Velocity. That's crazy, that's crazy, Paul London.
But we got some other nonsense in the world of
pro wrestling, and involves Ai because a fan who were
not gonna name because he don't deserve that type of attention.
But it's a YouTuber desperate for attention. And I was

(21:12):
looking at the channel and seeing the video views on
the channel, and it's a lot of them. That's like
two hundred three hundred, four hundred oh seven hundred, one
hundred and one point one thousand subscribers, which is not like,
you know, disgraceful, but like not you know, a high
number neither. And then his most recent video has thirty
thousand subscribers, and they're like, oh, thirty thousand views. I

(21:34):
should say, like what, what how did it get such
a big jump? Oh, it's a video of him kissing
aj Lee. Oh a j Lee kiss him? Oh no, no, no, no,
it's AI. And this just calls a stir obviously because
this isn't real. Number one, Number two, A j Lee
is married. Number three, this is at an event that
you know, promoted that aj Lee appeared at, and this
did not happen. It's misrepresenting the whole situation, obviously, and

(21:58):
people are upset, rightfully so. And this is partly gonna
make this a part of a larger conversation about AI
and how it can missing interpret reality, it can distort reality,
and that could be very dangerous potentially. Uh, And we're
only really on the ground floor of that potential danger.
In twenty twenty five, going into twenty twenty six. But
here we are with this, and everybody you know knows

(22:20):
it's not real. People are disputing it in mass. But obviously, again,
larger conversation. What will happen five years from that? Will
people be able to tell the difference? How can this
affects society? Again, larger conversation. But for this, this is
wild stuff. And the thing is, despite the promoters of
the event saying this is not real, this is not

(22:41):
what happened, we don't condone this, and everybody else saying
this is trash behavior, this said person is still.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Responding like please delete this, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yes, she's also married. Yeah, so that's not what you mean.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Directly told that person to please delete this. It's like
a harassment. Yeah, And it's as of now, as are
recording this podcast, it's still.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Up, still up on the YouTube channel again, thirty thousand views,
where the other views on your channel are nowhere near that. Obviously,
this one got plenty of yous because everybody's going to
see what the hell this was, and then I'm sure
demonishing the person in the comments. But boy, folks, be

(23:30):
careful with this stuff, man, Just be careful. Just be
aware AI is here. It's not like it's going anywhere.
It could effect have many impacts on our society, some
for the good and some for the bad potentially, But
just be man, be extra careful, be skeptical about what
you see online. I have to remind myself of that too,

(23:50):
But you know, just be aware because stuff like this
is only it's probably only going to proliferate society more
until there's like some type of guardrails put on it.
Who knows if that's going to happen anytime soon, but
something's got to happen because this is, you know, again
just the beginning, and it's just what could be just.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Weird, man, And you know, it reminds me. I went
to wrestle kan or what the heroes of wrestling, it's
like Meet and Greed back at twenty eleven and met
some wrestlers. Mickey James was there, and I had asked
her if she could take a picture of her beating
me at arm wrestling, you know, fairly like I thought

(24:29):
it was a joke, you know whatever, but not thinking
like did that make her? Now I'm thinking like, oh,
I hope I didn't make her uncomfortable When I you know,
did that. Like it's just that's not even necessarily AI
or anything, but like we took a picture and I
remember posting it like haha, like this is funny, like
James kicked my ass at arm wrestling, like just in general,

(24:51):
like I I'm gonna stay away from that if I
ever go to another meet and greed or you know,
pictures and autographs stuff like that. I just I just
don't don't do that stuff, like don't I don't even
know about like hugging and all that. I know, like
I've seen it just before, like them hugging, and I

(25:13):
just it's off putting to me, and it makes me
think back in like twenty eleven, like I thought I
was just kind of joking around or whatever, but now
I'm wondering. I hope I didn't make make it James
feel a certain way when I like had the request,
because her response right away like like I'm thinking of
it in her face and she might have been kind

(25:35):
of like you know, I don't know, but like in
my mind, I'm just like, oh, it'll be like a
funny joke. So it Steph. That was definitely a learning
consperience for me, and now it's just gotten to the
point where like, AI, you can't. I luckily, like I'm
usually able to tell. But also I like that when

(25:56):
I see something, especially on Twitter, like you read the
comments or whatever before you think what you see is
real or not, because more than likely it's going to
be exposed in the comments at some point, so I
try to. You know, there's still good faith people out
there trying to, you know, keep make people aware that
this isn't real, So kudos to them because that does

(26:20):
help somewhat, maybe not enough, but if you're patient enough
to read through the replies just to see what other
people are saying about a certain piece of content, and
you're like this, this is a little weird to me,
Like I don't think it's real, and then you could
get like proof at some point, like whether it's in

(26:41):
the quote tweets on Twitter, the replies on another social
media outlet, like they will let you or like basically
tell you this is fake and this is why. And
it's like, I just wish that was more prevalent, where
you know, you don't need a community to tell you that,
but like, how long does it take for a community

(27:04):
note to pop up? Too? Like this one has it,
I know you.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Also, you also got to bank on people actually wanting
to do that too.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's why I take that like that God people still
are doing that, but isn't enough?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
No, and for how long are they going to do that? Well,
the next generation of people do that, so we'll see
scary stuff, honestly, especially for even aj Lee and and
all of this, Like her likeness is out there kissing
another person that's not her husband, and that could just
be manipulated and proliferated. And you know, would I see
him punks all this and it's like, what in the

(27:37):
hell are you doing?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
What do you?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Like? He probably has like what would your reaction be?
You know? Right, like but like I I would assume
know that he would trust his wife enough to know,
like she's not kissing a complete stranger to meet rereads.
But it's obviously jarring at first, like yo, like this
is what you this is what is on the like
you charge it for this? Like what's up with this?
At first? And be like Okay, obviously you not just

(28:00):
kissing random strangers at a meet and greet like duh,
but like whoa, So yeah, that's that's wild, you know,
And that can cause problems at home for a lot
of people, and who knows what it could cause in
the future. But enough of the current day nonsense. And
that was very much in the nonsense category for sure,
But enough of that. Are you ready to dive deep

(28:23):
into the nineteen ninety two Survivor series.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It was the worst night of Bobby Henen's life.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
According to Bobby heenancludion.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I like when I first saw it, like, Bobby here Man,
what a gem. I remember me watching that opening that
might have been the show. I watched the open to
the most in like the history of Nick Picone, watching wrestling.
I watched the beginning of Survivisories ninety two like no
less than one hundred.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Times with Vince yelling Survivor series, I'll think it all
too But like just Bobby he and going it's gonna
be the worst neither of their lives talking about Randy Savage, mister.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Perfect man, like he was so good, he's amazing, the
mister perfect turning.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Ah, great stuff, great stuff. We'll talk about it, but
let's get into Let's set the stage. Let's let's set
the scene for this deep dive. Because we are at
the Survivor series nineteen ninety two. It is taking place
on November twenty fifth, nineteen ninety two, Thanksgiving Eve for
the second second year in a row y'are You Good?
You're Good? For the second year in see The show

(29:34):
took place at the Richfield Coliseum. Not just the coliseum
it was Richfield Coliseum is the actual name of the
building in Richfield, Ohio. At the time, this was the
major arena in the Cleveland, Ohio area, serving as a home. Yeah,
serving as a home of the Cleveland Cavaliers as well
as many other Cleveland area teams until nineteen ninety four

(29:57):
when they moved into what is now known as the
Kids Arena formerly known as the Rocket Mortgage Arena, also
known as the House that Lebron renovated because he didn't
build the arena, but they made it nicer when he
got there. Don't get a twisted but The Richfield Coliseum, though,
has had its own history, though, including the nineteen seventy

(30:18):
five seventy six Calves whose season was dubbed the Miracle
average Field and that was the first Cavaliers team to
make the NBA playoffs. Not only did they make the playoffs,
they won their first playoff series over the Washington Bullets
in seven games. This is back when they only had
the semi conference semi finals in the finals, so they
went to the conference finals the next round and lost

(30:39):
with those damn Boston Celtics, who then went on to
win it all over the Phoenix Suns again in the
NBA Finals again, but on this night in nineteen ninety two,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Shout out to Ricochet for trolling the Boston crowd with
his Eagles hoodie this past week. I'm down to bike
by the way.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
As he should. You know, if he's new, you go
and you're going to getting some heat in Boston. You're
wearing to Nick Foles Super Bowl fifty two jersey or
something like he didn't go to the extra mile.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
How funny would it be? Or no, how funny is
it that he basically told Patriots fans, you guys don't
know what it feels like that would a super Bowl
recently And it's just it's so funny because they have
the most of any team.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Right, so they're tied for the most.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Steelers think by Brady has seven himself.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
But yeah, okay, yes, and uh but I mean it
has been a while, but The thing is, the crazy
thing is now that Patriots are good again, and it's
like what I know are But look, we can dispute that.
The time will tell that if they are legitimate or whatnot.
But look, that's the way the NFL is, right when

(31:45):
you have a when you are terrible one season, you
have a lighter schedule the next season. You don't play
a first place schedule, you play a fourth place schedule.
And that's just what it is. The Eagles benefited from
that in twenty seventeen. I can't every time they say
it was his team for reals, like appointed to the
twenty seventeen Eagles when they always had to supposed saft
schedule and they were wiping the floor at those teams,

(32:06):
and then they got to the playoffs, and then they
were clearly better than the Falcons, who everybody was like, oh,
that's the NAC you know, the raining NFC champs, they're
gonna beat No, they beat the Falcons, they beat the Bike,
killed the Vikings, and then had a shootout against the
Patriots and won. So as much as you could go
like saft schedule, they're nine and two, like you said,
they're rolling now they still got to play, you know,

(32:28):
the big boys at some point. But they gotta play.
But they've already beaten Buffaloe. It sounds like that hasn't
happened yet, So time will tell whether the Patriots are
for real, for real. But hell, they might be the
number one seed like at the end of the season.
So that's just how it's going to be. But on
this night in nineteen ninety two in Richfield, Ohio, there

(32:49):
were eighteen thousand people on the nose exactly in the building.
Eighteen zero zero according to good old Wikipedia. But where
are we in nineteen ninety two? Wwf, who child? It's
an interesting time. Oh boy, interesting time. Let's start with

(33:11):
doctor George Sohrion. Okay, all right, who is still out
here practicing in these streets. He's in these streets. He
is a urologist in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Oh wow, right back right, o, backyard.

(33:33):
But back in nineteen ninety two, he was indicted. He
was a convict, because use him away from my privates. Look,
I'm just saying in that ninety one ninety two homeboy
was a convict. He's convicted of supplying antabolic steroids, and

(33:53):
he had named in the course of his trial, he
had named WWF as one of his clients. Clearly, this
is not a good look for Vince McMahon, who quickly
closed the World body Building Federation.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Contractors just WF in general.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, everybody, everybody. Uh so he grows taking these, Yeah,
who knows, he's he has some T shirts in the
in the back, he has some of those. Maybe has
some steroids too, I don't know. But Vince quickly closed
up the the WBF, the World Bodybuilding Federation, closed up

(34:29):
shop like it was a trap house. We're done here,
like it was a bando. Right, and then he quickly
moved away from the muscled up, juice up wrestlers of
the prior generation or the year prior. Pretty much it
wasn't that long ago that he was still using them.
But that explains why we now have Brett Hart as

(34:50):
the WWF champion, who was a little bit shorter, a
little bit less muscular than Hawk Hogan. Let's say, uh,
he's going against somebody of similar build named Shawn Michaels,
a big departure from Hawk Hogan and undertaker of the
year prior. But Shawn Michaels, he's also a champion. He
is the Intercontinental Champion, and it's going to be champion

(35:13):
versus Champion between Brett Hart and Shawn Michaels in nineteen
ninety two, which I did not even realize. This matches
champion versus champion. But why is Shawn Michaels the Intercontinental Champion.
That's because one of those other muscledure wrestlers by the
name of British Bulldog was let go from the company
in light of the steroid scandal that was hovering over
the company at the time. So you go from Bulldog

(35:34):
big Dude, who had clearly had plans for it. They
had him pretty much headline Wimbley Stadium in the summer
and he beats Brett Hart for the Icy title, so
clearly they got plans for Davy Boy. And then they said,
say what George said? What he said? Who oh hell no, Bulldog,
you gotta go Okay. He was scheduled to defend the

(35:54):
title against the Mounting on this show, but he also
left the company not too long before this Sheesh a
bummer just all heck is breaking loose. Also swept up
in the steroid drama was the Ultimate Warrior Surprise Surprise.
He was scheduled for the Ultimate Maniacs, well supposed to be,

(36:16):
but he's supposed to be teaming with his other his
maniac and the Ultimate Maniacs, Mandy Savage. But because of
the steroids nonsense, he's gone from the company as well,
and he is replaced by mister Perfect. When you go
against Rick Flair and Raisor Ramone and a tag team

(36:37):
match Raiser Ramon, by the way, making his Survivor Series debut.
But there are other matches on the show, including a
night Stick on the Pole match.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Let's go my first pole match. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
There's also a coffin match, my first coffin match. And
we also got the Headshrinkers versus High.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Energy, my first head Shrinkers match.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
It's a WWF baby. Oh oh. By the way, I
forgot to mention there's a Survivor Serious match on the
show too, only one of those yes, yes, weirdly strange
Survivor Series match where it wasn't the ten on ten
tag team matches from before, which thank goodness to stopped
doing absolutely not. You want to be sitting here for

(37:23):
forty five minutes, what is wrong with you? Instead, we
still got a tag team Survivor Series four on four,
but it was two teams of two on one side.
It got Money Inc. And the Beverly Brothers going against
the Natural Disasters and the Nasty Boys. But like I said,
like in the tag team Survivor Series, if you pin
one member of the team, both members of the team

(37:43):
have to leave, and that's the case in this match.
So that's what we have. We also have a Survivor
Series match on this happening this year in twenty twenty five,
but not as Survivor Series.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Oh that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
It's happening on SmackDown the night before a serious SmackDown.
What the hell? Just do it on the paperw It's
called Survivor Series.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
So I'm gonna need the participants because I didn't know
about this.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Actually, let me double check who's in this match, because
I want to make sure all SmackDown. No, I think
it's I think it's the Who is it? The MFTs
are involved? Let me make sure that though, because I
want to. I want to make sure that I get it.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Right side track. But no, no, no, I didn't realize
there was one happening. Hey, let me let me shows
how much twenty twenty five wrestling. I'm didn't paying attention to.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I mean, that's fair. Uh, I can't remember now, Hang on,
it's a smack like why Yes, here we go K
side seats. I found it. I knew it was somewhere.
I saw this. We're going to have. It's gonna be
the m FTS going against Shinsky Nakamura. I think Sammy's Ain, well, yeah, Shinske,

(39:11):
Sammy's Ain machine Guns and Ray Phoenix going against the
m f T. Survivor Series five on five five was it?
Was it five on five Survive or whatever it was.
I forget what this Strive to Survive that's what it is. Yes,
So m f T versus a random collection of baby
faces the night before Survivor Series in the Survivor Series

(39:34):
match again the night before Survivor Series on SmackDown. So look,
I don't you know, And I've made this quite clear
over the years, so I'm gonna say it again. I
don't care about Survivor Series. I think that the event
should go away to change the name to the event.
The match concept I never cared about. However, if you're

(39:55):
gonna call the show Survivor Series, at least put the
damn survi Ivor Series match on Survivor Series. What are
we doing? You can make it the first match if
you don't want to get it out the way, at
least it's there. But if you're not, if you don't
care about Survivor Series, the actual match of Survivor Series

(40:16):
called the show something else. I don't get it. I
don't get it. It's not like I have to I
gotta vouch for this. I don't have to I should
have to vouch for this. It's just I'm just applying
logic to a logical situation. That's all I'm doing. But
forgive me for using that much logic. I guess. Uh.

(40:40):
But we got Bobby Heenen and Vince McMahon on the call.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Killed me killby What did I tell you? I was like,
I can't wait to hear Bobby and Gorilla, And then
I turned it on. I'm like, oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah it's Vince. Yeah, big step down and announcing here
from Gorilla to Vince, who yells his way through the
promo and says, maneuver a lot on this show. What
a great maneuver, What a maneuver. So that's a good maneuver.
What a maneuver, maneuver, maneuver, maneuver, maneuver like, that's that's Vince.

(41:15):
That is Vince at Survivor Series nineteen ninety two. Do
you have this one on tape?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I did? I believe I taped something over it when
you know, back in the early nineties or mid nineties,
and then I went to so I do have a
guy that I that I went to that.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Got a guy.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I don't know if he still has things. But I
did get ninety two on tape again down the road,
so I have it on the same tape actually as.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I want to. I don't know if it's SummerSlam ninety two.
It might be Summer Slam ninety two.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I did take both of them in real time as
they aired, but then I taped over them, so then
I ordered them again and I so there I have
a secondary tape with SummerSlam ninety two on it, and
then Survivors Series ninety two right after it, assuming it
is the.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
One that overginally aired on pay per view. I don't
think I've watched it on that tape in over fifteen years, but.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I do have it.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Fifteen years will be twenty ten. You watched twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
No, I yeah, I went. There was a period of
two or three years where I re stocked tapes that
I had taped over.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
So yeah, got you, got you? Well, let's get into
off for one matt for Survivor Cities nineteen ninety two,
ID deep dive. Of course, we have a match of
the night, worst match of the night, best non wrestling happening.
I'm going from from top to best because we do
best and worst a lot. So best non wrestling happening,
worst non wrestling happening, hidden gyms either in and out

(43:03):
of the ring, best spot, worst spot, my dog spot,
and random thoughts. Got a lot of random thoughts here,
so let's get into it. Match of the night from
Survivor Series nineteen ninety two. I feel like there's an
obvious choice here, but I'll let you, you know, expouse
your opinion.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
So it was Rick Player and Razor Ramo versus Randy
Savage and Mister Perfect until the main events started. I say,
I actually forgot how good Bret Harvesu Sauw Michaels was.
That's not the match that I think about when I
think about Survivor Series, But with these guys but I

(43:43):
did know that they wrestled here and back then as
a kid, I didn't care about the technical stuff. I
cared about, you know, what comes through the screen at me.
Guys like Haul Cocer and the Ultimate Warrior. Even Randy
Savage was that guy. Flair was that guy. Mister Perfect
was that guy during this time for me, the previous

(44:05):
ten days when he turned babyface and he was like
my favorite wrestler ever for you know.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
A week.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But yeah, man, like these guys even like they don't
pop out the screen at you. Like Brett Hart. I
liked him, but I didn't love him, So I did
not really care about this match that much at all. Obviously,
the main event to me and probably ninety nine point
nine percent of other people watching was Flair and Razor

(44:33):
versus Savage and Perfect. So you know, I loved the
angle going into that match, but you objectively sit down
and watch Brett harvs. Sus Shawmichaels. That was like so
much better that I remember it being, and everything was
so smooth and fluid, and it showed that they can

(44:55):
run with the main event in WWF now vincetent like
trusted right away even in that like Brett lost the
title a few months later, and he wouldn't really made
event until a year after that, and then Shawn Michaels
had to wait another four years. Yeah, three and a
half years, so yeah, almost four Trestlemania twelve. So I

(45:15):
mean this was like their proof though that listen like
We're ready, like we are ready, And I thought it
was fantastic. I think they both It was pretty to me.
Seemed like a flawless match. Honestly, like you you look back,
not even Earl could ruin it.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh man, not another baby Earl shot. But I agree
with you, this was the match of the night and
it was a different match that I moved to my
hitting gym after watching this one. But yeah, this they
went to work in this one, and I agree with you.
It was more than just oh, let's just have a

(45:56):
good match. It was a showcase of the direction WWE
or WWF I should say, it was looking to go into,
which was smaller, more agile, more fast paced wrestling, and
Brett Hart and Sean Michaels were the flag bearers for that.
And yeah, the shift was definitely due to the company
shedding the perception that everyone was doing steroids that's not pretended.

(46:16):
That wasn't the impetus behind the shift, but I also
think that that was that's the way the tie was
going anyway. As far as fans, right, I think the
fans were already kind of looking for something different, and
you can only maintain one style for so long before
people start to look for something different. And I think
this was going to happen anyway, whether the steroid trial

(46:37):
happened or not. People were already kind of Overhogan, and
I think they really enjoyed the quicker pace wrestling. Now
that doesn't mean that the business didn't go down following this,
but I think people came around and eventually went back up.
But yeah, I think this was a showcase, like you said,
for the new generation no pun intended of wrestlers in
WWF smaller, more agile, quicker pace, and never seemed like

(47:00):
they stopped. The pace, never really slowed down. Yeah, they
had a couple holes here and there, but there would
be reversals and movement and stuff was happening. It was
just totally different from what we watched last week for
ninety one, where Undertaker was just walking around the ring
like a zombie and Hogan you know, was plotting his
way through it, and it was very slow, very plodding along.
But this one was that's the stand on my finger,

(47:22):
snapping quick fast and on to go. Pretty much from
moment one. I did, like ben To working in an
ico Pro promo during the match, said that, oh yeah,
Sean and Brett are both proponents of integrated conditioning, of
the integrated conditioning program, which that was what cho pro
stood for. But yeah, I was like, okay, Vince getting together.

(47:46):
I know Brett was crazy, which is yeah, it is,
it's crazy in hindsight, but yeah, he's hawking a cello
a supplement while he's pretty much under the watchful eye
of the federal government for you know, antabolic steroids.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
And that's what we were pushing. And look how small
they aren't, right.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
This is not steroids. Please don't charge us. Oh no
they did. I did love Bobby Heenen saying that Brett
hard had you know, he had to go home to
sixty five brothers and sisters and that they were all
gonna eat a two pound turkey for things Giving. They
didn't even take the feathers off in Calgary. They just
ate it with the feather still on it. He's he's
a wild dude. But Brett eventually won with a sharpshooter

(48:32):
and the fans were very happy, and out came Santa
Claus after that. Yeah, it wasn't even Thanksgiving yet, bro,
we didn't even cut the turkey and here comes Santa Claus.
Come on. Hell yeah like that.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I remember they did the same thing that that year
with Lex Luger. So oh, I remember to becoming a
serious tradition.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Whoever Evince was like then we from one we did
a deep dive on Survive or said ninety three we did?
We did? So I remember the Santa Claus coming out
with Lex Luger, and it's like every time the Vince
like had a chosen babyface, out come Santa Claus and
like it was like that was a way of anointing.
Well yeah, but that's crazy, but that was his way

(49:13):
of like anointing his top baby face. Look it's Santa Claus. Yes,
Santa Claus and Brett Hart on the same level. Kids
love him. He's my chosen one. Oh, Lex got muscles. Lex,
come in for Santa Claus. You and Santa Claus together,
because I'm gonna make you champion. One day psych but hey,
here you are and it's snowing indoors. They could have

(49:33):
just went outside. It's Cleveland, it was snowing probably that night.
Probably it's Richfield, Ohio. It's northeast Ohio. It's cold, so
he could have went right outside. They just shoveled the
snow and like brought it into the in the arena rafters. Yeah,
and just dropped it now from the rafters. But yeah,
snowing inside and uh there's a kid holding He's being
held above his dad's shoulders by his dad and he's

(49:55):
holding the belt over like it's snowing. Dad.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I don't want to part because that's adorable.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
He's like, I don't want to get snowed on, but
hold me up so I can see so funny times.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I mean, you know, couldn't Vince have done that in
ninety seven bring Santa out after the screw job you
have made everything better?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I don't. I don't think so. I don't think that
would have. Sandam would have got you thought you thought
Philly did Sanda dirty back in the sixties. Montreal would
have did Santa dirty back in ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Like Brett destroying all the equipment and Santa comes out.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh no, he would have punched Sanda in the face
and didn't punch Vince. He would have hit Sannah first.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Then we've talked about that for sixty years.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
All right, Brett punched Sanna. He got a lump of
gold stocking that year.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Worse than snowballs.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Oh yeah, straight up punched them. Man. People still talk
about this damn snowball thing in Philly. It's outrageous. It
happened fifty years ago. Get over it, and it wasn't
us doesn't snow anymore. I didn't even form a snowball
no more on this side of the country. Cut it out.
We're over it. Who was that guy? He was all right,

(51:10):
He was fine, He was tough, right to be alright.
He from Philly. Be back like he died or something.
Not gonna want a tangent. He ain't died. He ain't
die from that. He was all right. He went to
work the next day like everybody else. He was good.
All right. Let's move on to worst match of the

(51:34):
night from Survivor series nineteen ninety two. I think there's
another obvious one here, but Nick, I'll let you have
at it.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
There's a few bad ones here, but I think the
most obvious one is Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
And Kamala ding ding ding ding ding.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
And this isn't even like a real coffin back. Come on,
were we used to? Okay, you gotta go in the
coffin and shut the lid like that. But again, like
this was if you beat them, if you pin them,
how do you know they're not just gonna escape and
just go to go to the back, you know, Like
so the end of the match shouldn't be a pin

(52:11):
or submission, right or a counter and it should be well,
go in the coffin, shut the lid. This was the
very first coffin was wor they learned, They learned, so
they learned, and they learned.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
The next one was like a casket match, and I
was like, what is a casket It's the same thing,
I guess, but they learned to not have a pinfall.
Then you put them in the coffin and then you
had to nail and shut. And the most boring anti
climactic ending to a match you'll see this side of
nineteen sixty, like Brother for one, it's Kamala, not Kamala

(52:48):
Kamala versus the Undertaker and I wonder if when the
election happened a couple of years ago or last year,
if Undertaker had a flashback Kamala. It's like, it's not
the first I'm going against you, but I hate it
seeing Kamala run away from the Undertaker and be so afraid.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
He was running away from the coffin, and I I
appreciate that he like I was laughing, he's afraid of
the coffin, so he's just like running away from man.
I was like, okay, like I'm believing that even as
a kid, Like I'm like, okay, Like I get it.
The coffin is a god. Like no one wants to
be in there, especially when they're alive, right, So get

(53:32):
me away from that. Consu did the same thing a
couple of years later. Afraid didn't help me afraid of
the coffin. So but I felt bad at the same time,
even as a kid, I'm like, like, what did he
do wrong? Like you guys are wrestlers, You're.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Like, why he got a burial? Exactly what did they
do to make the undertake of that man? I felt
so are when he debuted and they would he would
beat jobbers on weekly TV and put them in body bags.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I was like, what are you doing? Like, yeah, no, why,
Like I feel.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
It hurt me inside doing that. So he's a babyface
though everybody like he was a babyface, but even I
had my limits.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I was like, Nah, you don't need to do that.
You don't need to do that. Man like Kamala is scared.
Just let him go. I felt bad for him.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
That's really funny.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Seven years old, and I was like, relax, Undertaker, look at.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
All the empathy you had a seven years old. But yeah,
the end into this match is bad. Again. The rules
for most casket matches today is you put the guy
in the casket. When they don't have casket matches anymore,
maybe the two morbid, but they you put the guy
in the casket without the Undertaker. We don't need him
also that right, it's more of an Undertaker thing. But
you put the guy in the casket, you shut the lid.

(54:53):
That's the end of the match. No, we didn't get
there yet. This is the first one, so they're still
working out the kinks. Okay, so in this and you
got to pin the guy first, right, one, two, three, okay,
booms Undertaker hits, he hit the tombstone. I don't know
if hit the tombstone.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I don't even think it was a choke slam. It
was some it was some move, but it wasn't the Yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yes, right, yes, because Kamala I didn't want the iron either. Kim,
you try to give him the iron and Kamala was like,
ah no, I don't want to wants clean bro like
that or he was shook, that's what it was. And
then Undertaker picked up the iron. He uses the iron
and then that's how he gets the pin. He'll move Hello,

(55:34):
I don't know, but he's he's also killing people, so
I guess they're okay with that too, But putting people
in body bags that's pretty bad. But we get to
pin one, two three, Okay, Now the next step he
has to roll Kamala into the casket. Okay, he does
that done, but this the lid on the casket is

(55:54):
not connected to the casket. He Undertake guys to physically
put the lid on one and then nail it down
with a hammer. So Paul Bear has to nail in hammers.
He's handing in the hand the nails and diggers clean
clan clank, clink, clink, four or five nails and people
just watching this like, yep, that's another one. Oh he
got a second nail. Oh is he gonna get a

(56:16):
third one? Kamala ain't gonna put up a fight. Hot
he done? Okay, here's the third one. There's a fourth one.
He might really be dead. I don't know. And then
once he puts the last one in ding ding ding,
now he's won. And it's like, I think he won
on the first nail, Like, could we call it? Then?
But whatever? Terrible match, terrible horrible is.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
The shortest match, so at least they have that going forward.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
It did, but it's wild to think that Undertaker really
didn't have any good opponents for years, or very few
good opponents for years in w w F.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Sorry it was the second shortest match. Ah, it's in
My Boy Virgil thirty.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Well that made sense, uh in hindsight. We'll talk about
that in a little bit. But the best non wrestling
happening from Survivor City is nineteen ninety two, Nick, What
do you have here?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
We can go from before the show started, right, I mean, sure, bro,
mister perfect fac Urn was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
So you're talking about when he's in the studio and accepts.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
They showed, so they showed a Oh, by the way,
I have this entire episode of Primetime Wrestling in my
collection as well, course you do. I didn't tape it
back then, but I you know, I got it stopped,
so I remember as soon as I got it in
the mail, I've watched it right away. They actually have
I believe it was on YouTube. I don't know if

(57:46):
it's still on there. The entire turn from that night
on Primetime Wrestling. They do away with the matches and everything,
and it's just like a twenty maybe like a twelve
minute video. Oh, I don't know if it was like
twenty minutes of all those studio segments from the beginning
of the show to the end. And I remember watching

(58:08):
that a couple of years ago and I was like,
this is awesome. It was really the first time I
can remember like loving a wrestler that wasn't like Ultimate
Warrior or Hult Coogan. And because you know, Miss a
perfect big heel from when I started watching wrestling, never

(58:28):
seen him work as a babyface, and just seeing him
and I wasn't really watching Primetime Wrestling that late back
then because it was like Monday nights nine o'clock. I
couldn't stay up, you know, school nights and whatnot, but
I didn't really. I guess my parents might watch some
of it. I think I would ask them on Tuesday

(58:49):
if anything happened. I didn't get it on tape, but
I think they had mentioned, you know, like that that happened.
So I think I had to wait till the weekend
show to see that footage because it's like, you know,
you go Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. That five days later,
I finally see what happened on Primetime Wrestling, and just

(59:12):
the way it like, it made sense for what the
quandary they were in, right, No Ultimate Warrior? How do
we deliver on No Ultimate Warrior? And you can call
Vin's a lot of stuff, and deservedly so, but when
he says, and when you hear people say that, his
his mo is, if something happens with like the card,

(59:33):
you have to deliver bigger than what was originally like
planned or whatever. And I don't think you could get
bigger than mister perfect turning heel or turning face on
Flair and heenan at that time. You can't align like
Randy Savage of Brett Hart, like that would have done
anything anything more than I guess what we already saw.

(59:55):
What can you do that would make people want to
see the sh show that. Okay, Ultimate Warrior is gone
and they had just brought him back in ninety two
at WrestleMania, and he's been there since April ninety two,
and now he's gone all of a sudden. You you've
got people re invested in the Ultimate Warrior after he

(01:00:17):
was gone for like a year or so, a little
lesson a year. But you know, where do you go now?
And I think the mister perfect heel keeps saying Hillton face, Yeah, right,
was a thing that I thought I would never see, honestly, Like, yeah,
I'm seven years old. I didn't see anything at this point,

(01:00:40):
pretty like compared to adults, but just missedter perfect the
whole turn Heenan talking down to him and seeing his
his face just slowly change throughout the course of the night.
You have in Flair and Razormone like, well they were
also via satellite, you know, in Miami, I got I

(01:01:00):
think they were, and well they said they were, but
probably in Stanford there with everyone else, just different studios
and then the w W headquarters, but they're like, all right, Perfect,
like what are you thinking about? Like don't listen, Like
Randy Savage is like no one knows Flare and Ramone
like you so like being my partner. And then Bobby

(01:01:21):
he is like you shut up and you walk behind
Ric Flair in his shadow and I'll do the same thing,
and blah blah blah. So I thought it was a
very very good way to not only have mister Perfect
turn face, but have them like face Flare and Razor
Ramone practically right away after a year and a half

(01:01:41):
of not seeing him in action at all. It is
what Summer Sam ninety one was his last match before this,
and he had the back issue and all that, so
I know, like I've read certain things that he wanted
to get back in the ring, but Vince didn't want
him to at this point, and that was like I think,
because Vinton let him back in the ring is what
made this moment for me so special. Like I think

(01:02:05):
about this every November Survivors series time boom. Mister Perfect's
face started ninety two, Like I remember everything about it.
He was my favorite wrestler for a while after this,
you know, when he beat Rick Flair on Monday Night Raw,
like get rid of him and stuff like that, like
loser leaps town. I was like, mister Perfect, man, He's

(01:02:25):
gonna be champion one day. Like I was so hyped
up on mister Perfect. It was crazy how I just
gravitated towards him just because he turned babyface on Rick Clair.
He wasn't he wasn't a Haul Cocain and he wasn't
an ultimate warrior, but mister Perfect was like right there
for me after this and everything about that. Man, I

(01:02:47):
just love it. Bobby Heenen was fantastic. Rick Flair and
Raisin Ramone were awesome about it, like Gene or Glenn
showing the footage and then Rick Flair coming back to
be like is this employed by you? When the World
Wrestling Federation to rub it in my face like like
that is just so great the way they did it,
And I think if they didn't do it exactly that way,

(01:03:07):
like I might not remember it as fondly as I do.
And like at first, you know, I thought, Okay, did
Randy Savage make a mistake? You know, this is gonna
be like a employ for three on one, But then
you know the match started, I'm like, okay, Like now
I can feel comfortable, like because there was always that thing,
Like I've been watching wrestling for two years at this point,

(01:03:28):
so I know like chicanery happens, so I couldn't trust
mister perfect Fully, but I did after the match, and man, like,
I just remember being so pro mister perfect it it
was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah. Well, your top non wrestling happening, our best non
wrestling happening actually feeds right into mind because my favorite
non wrestling happening with Bobby Heen and cursing out mister
Perfect during his entrance called him no good, lowdown e
YZ throughout the entire engines. He was hot about that,

(01:04:04):
I think, And of course, you know during this segment,
he then slaps mister Perfect. Perfect responds by pouring some
water on him, and he then is pissed about it,
and he just goes on and on about Perfect during
his entrance. I should have quoted it because it was hysterical,
but he just went on and on. That's my favorite
best non wrestling happening is he then cussing mister Perfect

(01:04:27):
out during his entrance. It was hilarious. He always also
loved the promo that Savage and Perfect had after the match,
their match, which we'll talk about a little bit where
Perfect it's cutting the promo with a raw chicken, Like,
what's he doing with that? Hopefully he washed his hands after,
because raw chicken will kill you if you don't, if

(01:04:49):
you play around with it too much, So be careful
out there, folks. Let that be a tip for you.
Don't play around with raw chicken on this Thanksgiving time
of the year. Wash your hands if you deal with
raw chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
The funny thing is when like Bobby Heenan seem to
be always holding out hope that somehow mister Perfect would
come back to him because Reddy came out alone and
he's like, oh, I'm mister Perfect, but he's not gonna
come out, And then he comes out and Rain and
Heenan just blows the gasket. As soon as Perfect enters
the arena. It's like, ah no, that no good loud,

(01:05:25):
so like he is just fan, like he doesn't want
to talk about Perfect at all, right, especially in the beginning,
and Vince finally gets to the tag match and you
see Heenan's face just completely change and then he's like
you know, flip it uh flubbing over his words. You know,
like that this is not going to be a Perfect
Survivor series. You know you hear you see like the

(01:05:47):
signs and the crowd for mister Perfect, and then he
goes talking about mister Perfect than Randy Savage.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
This is going to be the worst night of their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
And I've never heard Bobby Heena like that man was hot,
like not Royal Rubble ninety two like he was similar,
but man like he as happy as he was for
Rick Flair to win the title at the ninety two
Royal Rubble. He was like way more upset than mister
Perfect left.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Him, And yes he was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
It was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
One of the anglis I've ever heard, one of the
anglish moments I've ever heard he didn't have on commentary,
more so than I'm soaking wet, I'm sweating.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
And listen he I remember like thinking, like what a performance, right?
Because I honestly thought, like you would like they were
like BFFs of real life, like they not not that
I would watch wrestling here and think about I wonder

(01:06:48):
what they're like in real life, because I, you know,
seventy years old, you still think some of it's real,
you know, like you're not convinced it's fake. You see
certain moves that I'm like, oh, well that seems awfully convenient,
but not you know, fake, and you know, try to
tune out some of the adults that didn't appreciate wrestling.
They were always like, tell me it's fake, it's fake.

(01:07:09):
It's like, just let me enjoy what I enjoy, man Like,
let me alone, first of all. But just Heenan's reaction
to Flair winning and perfect Like turning on him, Just
the emotion he invoked just made me think, like, man
like they are tight, like they were like a family man.
The Heenan family is a real family man like this.

(01:07:31):
Everything Bobby did really hammered home that point. And I'm
just so grateful that I was able to watch wrestling
while he was still in it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, what a classic, What a classic Bobby Heenan was.
Let's move on, though, to the worst non wrestling happening.
I'll start it off with this one. I'll start it
off with Afa being at ringside savagely eating chicken during
the Headshrinkers High Energy match. Now, look, I can't speak

(01:08:04):
for Simons. I'm not Samoan, right, But I know if
that was a black person doing that, I'd be upset.
So I'm just curious to how Simonans feel about that
type of depiction. And I guess the Ny family is
cool with it. They've made a lot of money off
of WWF. They still make money off of WWF. There's
a lot of them employed in WWE right now, I

(01:08:24):
should say not WWFWWE and of course on the board
of directors with Tko is the rock, you know, one
of the patriarchs of the Any family. So they're cool.
But I wonder if that's how it is across you know, Simoans, right,
Like they don't represent all of Samoans, so all of Samoa.

(01:08:46):
That doesn't not the case. So I wonder how everybody
else feels about how the Headshrinkers or the Wild Samoans
or any Samoan on television at this time in WWF
were depicted. They all had the super hard heads. You
couldn't head butt them. Even during this match, I forget
who it was, trying to double knock and knocker the Headshrinkers,
and he just looked at him like it was crazy,

(01:09:08):
because of course, why would you do that where Samoe
and our skulls are harder, Like that's the the stereotype
that they've always depicted in wrestling. Uh. And also was savagery,
you know. And then he you know, offers that ring
side just tearing through this piece of chicken or turkey
whatever it was, uh, and just having it in his

(01:09:28):
mouth and just standing there and it's like all bug eyed,
and it's like, look, if simone's y'all cool with it,
I can't. I can't, you know, speak against it. I
guess I'm not in the culture, but I know as
a black person, they'd be a lot of upset black
people that they saw somebody on the ringside doing what
he was doing. Also, Nails's promo was insane. He was scary, dude,

(01:09:51):
I said that I was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
It was a by random thoughts, but dude, yeah, I
was definitely afraid of him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I was shook. I believe that he choked Vinsic man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Okay, Okay, I don't know if he was innocent.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
No, I don't believe that at all. I believe he
did it. Okay, whatever he was accused that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
You're right, You're right, Nails, you didn't do it. You
didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
You're no, no, he did it. No he did it. Okay,
whatever accusations you and Levy upon that, man, I might
be inclined to believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
I don't know about the Vince choke. I've just been
in general, like in general you could no.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
No, but Vince he did that, no doubt about it,
you no doubt in my mind. Also, last thing, high energy.
The fits were the absolute worst of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
By the way, there's a common denominator here, what is it?
Owen Hart. He had the same damn pants with Jim
Knight Art and the New Founder.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Oh yes, the New Foundation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
He probably took cocoby ware a lot of He probably
paid cocoa like money or something to get him to
wear these these outfits because you know he loved those pants. Man,
I don't know what it is. He loves those pants.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
The bright neon pajamas with checkerboard is like peak. When
we talked about mister perfect jumpsuit sweatsuit from not sweat
suit tracksuit from ninety one. This is a year later
yet somehow more dated, which is bizarre. It's like that

(01:11:29):
feels like the late eighties or something like that. Is
that ninety two is that just like something out of
eighty seven eighties?

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I don't know, man, it's Bob spark Cluk Hollywood wear.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
He were that three years later? Like what are we doing?
What was Vince doing letting these guys walk out with
checkerboard or at least they kind of fit spark plug
his checker flag checkerboard like it still looked bad, still
looks bad. And they were were suspenders. Yikes. Yeah, yeah, man,
they're supposed to be like the cool young high flyers.

(01:12:00):
Whoa new wage tag team called high Energy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
WHOA, okay, but Coco has been around for what six
six seven years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Or something else? Whoa, we still got energy. This isn't Nickelodeon.
This wasn't Double Dare. This was Survivor series, Strive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
To Survive, Come on, survive those fits.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
They were not striving in those fits. It wasn't happening.
What was your worst non wrestling happening from Survivor Series
ninety two?

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Man, the worst non wrestling happening I had? So you
know how I said, I was all mister perfect up.
Unfortunately he lands on here because you you alluded to
it earlier that promo backstage with the Turkeys I thought
was like the worst. I was like, how are you
going to do that to mister Perfect? How are you

(01:12:50):
going to make him look like a complete idiot because
he's he's holding up turkeys?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Was it turkey? I thought it was chicken, but either
way it was raw. I guess it was turkey because
it's Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
But yeah, and he's thrown him around. Then he has
that little one for Bobby Heenan, which I thought like
that might have been like a little funny, but I
was like, no, like you just had mister Perfect to
come back, and like even as seven year old, I'm
watching this promo and I'm like, he looks like a weep,
Like no, like what this isn't miss? Like I want
mister Perfect to have an edge to him still a

(01:13:20):
little bit, like I want him to like like he
did with Randy Savage, he almost left the match for
God's sakes, Like he was still showing that heel tendencies
a little bit. He wantn't like a full fledged babyface.
And I liked that about him because you can't turn
you know, I have been watching since mid nineties. He's
always been a heel. So that's two and a half

(01:13:41):
years and mister perfect being a heel. You can't turn
a babyface completely. You still need to have those little
like things about him, which is why, like when he
started leaving the match a little bit in between, I
was like, that's sort of a oh no, you better not.
You better get back to the ring, you know, Like
I was heavily invested in his arc, I guess, even
as a seven year old. And then you go and

(01:14:03):
do this backstage promo where he's flown around turkeys and
stuff and then saying the little one reminded the little
chicken reminded him of Bobby Heenan because he's a weasel
or something. I was like, man, like, you would have
never said that, Like, come on, like now, all of
a sudden, you're just called him a weasel because you
like I liked the weasel when he was pouring water

(01:14:26):
on him, because that kind of made sense, you know,
in the moment. But now like he's like high five
and macho man, big smile on his face. I was like,
I don't know, it was a little off putting for me.
I'm not gonna lie. As a seven year old, I
was like, yes, I'm all, mister perfect up, but that's
a little too much for me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Man, that's the moment you became jaded as a wrestling fan.
You're like, maybe baby Face perfect now, I don't need
him to be this happy, bro. It didn't take you
more than one sleep to get past the oak to
get over baby Face, mister Perfect, all right, turn him back,
turn him back. He's stale.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
If anything, have Randy Savage hold up the turkeys, because
then his character can stand bad.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
I guess you're just a jaded fan. It's like anybody
else you know, Cody, Cody wins the title. Oh he's boring,
he's stale. Like the next night, it's already stale. That
was you the same night. He just really turned Babyface.
I'm already over it. Have him lose, bring Ta Tanka up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
It's hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Have him be the top baby Face now, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Really hard to watch. And then Savage and Perfect called
themselves the perfect tag team.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I'm like, whoa perfect Savages? How about that? That should
be that should be the name perfect tag team? But
hidden gems from this show, I will say it is
the match with the perfect tag team Randy Savage and
Mircter Perfect going against Rick Flair Raisa Ramone. The match
was a lot of fun, but the finish was kind

(01:15:57):
of stupid. Let's not let's not kid ourselves. You had
two referees coming in and then di quing people, and
they only decuted the bad guys, but they did use
like like chairs and stuff like that. But you know,
all heck break louse. But before the the weird finish
and heen and crying at the end, which is hilarious,

(01:16:17):
especially when you heard the announcement that h Randy Savage
and mister Perfect one vidh dis qualification. He lost his
mind again. It's not fair that Flair he's bringing that back.
But the match before that was a lot of fun,
and I was with you. I was thinking that at
any moment, mister perfect is gonna turn on Savage, and
they kind of teased a little bit and then he
came back, and yeah, it was It was a fun

(01:16:39):
little tag team match that I would say, if you're
again hidden gym, but this ain't that hidden because it's
got four Hall of Famers. It ain't that hidden. But
and it's like a pacially pretty much the poster of
the show, you know, because you got Razor and Flair
on the poster, and I think Savage is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
On it too. I don't know if the Warriors on there. Okay,
yeah they did, because it was like ten days prior.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Right, it's too late. Now the Hay is out of
the barn.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
I have the poster. I always put the poster in
my notes. Usually Wikipedia has the official poster, but I
go searching for it just the case it's you know, different.
But yeah, the Ultimate Maniacs are still on there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Yeah, it's too late to make a change on that one,
but yeah, I'll go with this match as my hidden gym.
Fun tag team match was we were very over people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, that was my honorable mention for best match. So
all right, no really, no real hitting gems for me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
I'll include it as a hidden gym. It's even though
it's on the poster technically, but definitely wasn't match of
the night, but yeah, I would. I could see it
as an honorable mention. It's a hidden gym. If you're
talking about what's the best Rick Flair, Mister Perfect or
Randy Savager, raisor Ramon matches, you probably wouldn't go with
this one, true, but here it is. You know, on

(01:17:58):
this show, it's a pretty good match, best spot on show?
What do you have here from the best spot on
the show? Was there really a spot that I can
I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I love the the Shawn Michael's coming off the rope
and Brett catching him in the sharp shooter, the finish
again fluid. I do love the sling shot too, by
the way Brett catching Sean and sling shotting him into
the ring posts again.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Or when how about Brett did the luthez and Sean
catches him and he backs into the ropes to hang
to hang up Brett. Great stuff, great stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Like moves that we might have seen like here and there.
Brett tag matches, not much in Shawn matches, and not
much in main events of pay per views, so you know,
they had the spotlight on him and I saw a
lot of stuff for the first time that gave that
was allowed time to breathe.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
It's it's not like a tag match where you're going
like boom, boom, boom, and you don't have time to
kind of digest what you just saw as a little
kid watching this, and no matter what commentary says or whatnot,
and they don't really show replays at this point, so yeah,
a lot of different moves in that match that I
was like, WHOA, Like I probably remember watching this live,

(01:19:17):
and I'm like, WHOA, I'm just kind of waiting for
the end of matches. As a kid, I don't pay
attention much to the middle of the match or even
the beginning of the match. But you know, watching it back,
you know you appreciate that stuff that you know you
don't appreciate when you watch it the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I agree with that. I agree with that. My favorite
spot is not nearly as technical as Shawn Michaels and
Brett Hart. It's the beginning of the night stick on
a pole match. If we haven't talked about a ton
your face yet. But no, I think it's hilarious that
Nails makes his entrance first and doesn't wait for a
Big Boss Man to come down before trying to get

(01:19:55):
to Night's dick. He immediately goes for the Night's dick
before Big Boss Man gets to the ring. Big Boss
Man has to cut his promo short to be oh no,
he's going, and he runs to the ring. Does Yeah,
maybe there was a monitor back there you can see that,
Oh God, He's going. It makes perfect sense to why
wait for the guy. I ain't waiting for him. I'm
just have it in my hand when he gets here,

(01:20:17):
beat the daylights out of him. But he Big boss
Man cut him off and he eventually had a match
and everything else, and and Big boss Man won in
the end.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Without hitting him with the lightstick. By the way, I
thought he did hit him after the match.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Oh, I thought it was before the match. I thought
he hit him before the end of the match and
been hit him with the sidewalk slamb that's what, just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Having the night stick and hitting him a couple of times,
and that boss Man eventually hits his move Nails drops it. Yeah,
boss Man hits with the move, and then after the
match he hits uh Nails with the light stick a
couple of times. But I remember that landed it before
the bell, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
I thought he did because I don't remember what's the
name nails being phased too much by it. But then
he sold, he sold the side I walked slam, So
there's that. I didn't have that my random thoughts, but yeah,
it was. That was strange. What's your worst spot of
the night. I didn't really have a worst spot necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
When he squashed. Yeah, like the first time scary.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
The first time that the second time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
The first time that was scary. By the way, he
was far away from the turnbuckle for that pods I
dropped and if Yo Kazuna didn't push out as far
as he did, he would have landed right on Virgil's head.
Oh my god, I felt. I remember watching it be
like oh even though it was like a billion times

(01:21:46):
and I just did like a dirty again again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
The first one was brutal, I will admit it was rough.
And the second he got it together dragged to the
other the opposite corner. Did it again and it was
much more clean. So I agree with you on that.
We'll go with that first one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
That was the shortest match of the night, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Not surprising. Let's move on to the random thoughts. I'll
kick it off here with I don't know if you
noticed this, but in the locker room there was a
payphone in the locker room. Which when was the last
time you saw a payphone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
They loved to have these random payphones in the locker room.
I never saw anybody on them, though.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
No, but in case somebody had to call their wife,
I guess back at home, there's a payphone right there.
What was the last time you saw a payphone?

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
By the way, I saw the wah wah or heritages maybe, man, I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Feel like the last time I saw one. I was
at Kensington and Alleghany, which if you know Philly, you
know K and A is it's rough, okay, And this
is like twenty sixteen, and I was surprised to see
it there, like oh wow, yeah. And I was on
my way somewhere, and for some reason I decided to
slide through KNA and wait for a bus. I don't

(01:22:59):
know why I have done it since. And I was
standing around and things were happening all like within the
space of five minutes. I think there was a robbery
that just happened, and there was someone who was, you know,
on the streets just say that, and they were trying
to talk on the payphone, and then they were just
banging it on the receiver over and over again. It's like,

(01:23:21):
I need to get the hell out of here. It
was broad daylight, by the way. It wasn't like nighttime,
because I wouldn't dare have done that, But daytime, I
was like, damn, it's real around here. So that's last taime.
I saw a payphone. But the phone in the locker
room in WWF in the early nineties, for some reason
on this show had words above it that said telephone
in case, in case, No one knew what that was,

(01:23:45):
that little apparatus, that piece of technologies, like what is this? Oh,
tell telephone? Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
If you're in the furthest area from the locker room
from there, you might not be able to see what
it is. So if you read it and you need
to spread the life, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
See what it is. I think you can see the
phone more than you can see the words. The words
are the harder thing to see, the tougher thing to see.
If anything, then you gotta go to the doctor. You
go to the doctor. Hies fitted.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I don't know is that a real locker room or
is it just like a stand.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I'm certain that's a set that they just set up
somewhere in the back stage air. And no arena actually
looks like that. It looks the same in every arena.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
It's I know that. And their interview, you know what
the screen they're standing in front of the blue and yeah,
the drape logo in the back. I used to love that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yeah, that locker room, that's definitely a set, just like
the GM office.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Uh, they set up their own little deal at the arena.
Same thing with the gorilla position. They set that up
in every arena obviously, But yeah, that's that's a set
for sure. Another random thought, Nails, like you said, always
claimed it was innocent, even though he spent two four
and seventy eight days in jail. Nails knew the exact number,

(01:25:02):
but Vince wasn't buying it. I was like, damn, Vince,
there ain't no way he spent that much time in
jail and he was innocent. Like, who the hell are
you to say, Vince Little to Evince. Now, there's a
bunch of people in jail right now that are innocent.
It happens every couple every couple months, I read a
story in the Inquiry or somewhere else that says someone
freed from jail after serving decades because of faulty investigation

(01:25:25):
and new evidence arises, or some you know organization looked
into the case again and got this person exonerated. But
they lost thirty years of their life. And it's actually
really sad when you think about it because these people
obviously lose a good chunk of their lives and they'll
never get back. And then they sue the city, rightfully so,

(01:25:45):
and now the taxpayer's got to pay them millions of dollars.
Not great. And then Bobby the brain Heenen says, Nails
is arrested over a bunch of unpaid parking tickets because
he went into a flower shop take some flowers for
his mom or sister or something like that, and the
ticket was put on the dash, but it was very
windy outside that day, so the wind blew the ticket

(01:26:08):
all the dash, and Nails had no idea. He was none,
no wiser. He had no idea that he had multiple tickets,
enough tickets to get him almost seven years in jail.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
He seemed like a good enough dude that he would
pay them if he knew that they were there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Really, based on that earlier listen, I will kill you
a big boss man. That pretty much he said.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
God like real details, Big boss man says, what I
saw his report and he should be serving a life sentence.
It's like, okay, well give us details, man, what did
he do?

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
I'm assuming he killed somebody? Which why is he on
the street. If he killed somebody, that also a big
boss Man is a county police officer. Just killed did
he did? Put him in a casket. But the Big
boss Man was just another cop in the county of
cop County, Georgia. He wasn't like a share if he
wasn't a deputy, he wasn't a county commissioner, none of that.

(01:27:04):
Who the hell is big boss man. He's a lawman.
He knows a law like in the back of his hand.
I don't believe it. You just a lawman from cob County, Joja,
that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
He never got a promotion, so you think, oh, be good.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Just a regular cop, just a regular beat cop, harassing
people on the road, giving people park giving people tickets,
speeding tickets like nails. He mad that nails got away.
I guess got out of jail. I gave him fourteen
parking tickets. It should still be in jail. That's not
how the law works.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Felt bad for nails man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
I did not, though, So you do know he didn't
do it over urn't paty parking tickets. He beat somebody
up or something. Yeah, he had almost seven years in jail,
all right, he did it. He saw that promo.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
I'm with it, dude, he did it. That wouldn't be
able to work today because they do live TV. That
is not nails his voice by.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
The way, Oh, there was somebody dubble his voiceover. Yeah,
who was it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah, I don't know. It was like a voice disorder
or whatever. His voice is like higher and like definitely
not that menacing. But those promos scared the crap out
of me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Back then.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
I was like, like, he's the type out of just
beat up random people for looking at him wrong. So
that promo I remember everything about it, like I could
have recited it. When I was watching it, I was
like it was scary, Like just dude, He's like, I'm
gonna shut that nice stick down your stupid stick good throat.

(01:28:36):
Oh my god, dude, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
I was like, dude, like I was scared.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Shten years old man, I had to leave the room,
had to leave the room like Papa Shango when he
would come out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I would have to leave the room. Nah. No, I
was shoot, I ain't gonna At thirty six years old,
I was like, oh, who was this man? I knew
who he was, but I was still like, oh my god,
he is amongst all these other people, He's He's the
one I'm worried about the most.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
The in addition to that, so he made his debut
and he beat up the Big boss Man in July
on like a Superstars Naturally, they showed photos throughout, like
before Summer Slam or you know, a weekly TV. They
showed photos of the Big boss Man, like bruised up

(01:29:21):
and everything. I don't know if it was like makeup
or like you really like was stiff with him or what,
but they would show photos of like black Eye on
Big boss Man, bruises around his body. It was very,
very weird for me a seven year like six seven
years old to see these things because a lot of

(01:29:43):
my first like views of things happening in the world
was through wrestling, so like, I hadn't really seen people
bruised up. You know, my parents shield you from that
type of stuff when you're that young. So seeing like
photos of the Big boss Man black eyes, like bruises
all over his body, broken arm or leg or whatever,

(01:30:05):
it was like just these pictures of black and blue
marks all over his body. I was like, what dude.
They all was like, why how is he here? Like
how is he allowed here, like what is going on here?
And then just his promos were so not a sing
because of that voice distortion and just the way he
talked man like he was scary and he was supposedly

(01:30:28):
going to go into a few with the Undertaker after
this before he choked the mist McMahon the next one,
like it was like December ninety two where that incident happened.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
So he did it a right, two thousand and four
and seventy eight days. It's almost seven years. He ain't
did that over to unpaid parking tickets, all right, he
did it? Uh, let's see. Oh, the Tatanka Rick Martel
match was kind of silly, even though to talk and
got back to his sacred feathers. Doink was there at
rings for some reason. That was goofy mister perfect spin

(01:31:00):
on Ric Flair. At some point at the beginning of
the match, he did his best yeah it did his
best Jamar Chase impersonation before that. I did not that
there were three future nWo members in that match, Rick Flair,
not Ric Flair, Randy Savage, mister perfect and raised the ramon.
Of course. Another note is that this is Yoko Zuna's

(01:31:24):
pay per view debut. The announcers said he hadn't been
tested yet, but he's facing a test tonight in Vergil.
My guy, oh yeah, what does that? I have it?
I got to look like you got it somewhere. Yoko Zuna,
by the way, was billed at five hundred and five pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
I love Virgil. I was like, yes, like this guy's
awesome it is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
But Yokozuna did not love Virgil. He kicked him in
the face one time and Vince said he didn't say
what a maneuver? He said, what a thrust? What a thrust? Like,
what are you talking about? And then I'm like, can
the Warriors? Then the road Warriors say that can they
go what a thrust? They don't have the same ring

(01:32:12):
to it, I don't think. But yeah, Yoko's doing a squash.
Virgil not once but twice, prompting Bobby to bring Heenan
to do the telestrator on Yokozu and his leg drop
at one point, h and he called it a big
chicken wing or something like that, and put this mac
potatoes down there, and there's a whole Thanksgiving meal that
Bobby Heenan drew up on the telestrator.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Remember him using it for the head shrinkers heart. I
do not ending he made fat too. Was the one
who did the splash, right, so he had he drew
a pilgrim had.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Oh no and uh no. Oh okay. I thought he
was gonna go with you native American depiction on the
other person that had been crazy. He went turkey.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Okay, who I missed that turkey like feathers. Maybe I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Oh man, that's tough man, I missed that. I'll be
honest with you. But yeah, we had a double check
what that was because he.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Was you know, I wish they used it more honestly,
but they used it like not enough. It's fine for
the perfect savage flair.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Well, he would have just drew FU on it something
like that. It's perfect. This letters F and U face
they draw mustache or something. Uh my last note, I
got two more notes. One one of them is uh.
I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but the
Beverly Brothers the music was low keya banger. Okay. I

(01:33:52):
don't know if you heard it, but it sounded like
something off. It sounded the Hedgehog. But that's high praise
because everyone knows if you know a video game. You
know that the music and Sonic The Hedgehog five, okay five,
and I was listening to the Beverly Brothers the music
death like, yo, this is a little bobski here. Jim
Johnston a legend, another one, another one from Jim Johns.

(01:34:15):
Jim Johnston, you like that better than the dance? The
Boys one Yes, Yes, one hundred were the nast Steve no, no, nope,
trash Beverly Brothers. Though I didn't hate it, I didn't
hate it five in my opinion. And lastly, I did

(01:34:38):
like Brett Hart wearing the pink tassels on the jacket.
He could get flashy when he wanted to here and uh,
and then he cut a pretty good promo backstage by
Brett's standards. So yeah, and that's all the notes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
I'm just smiling the whole time. It's like Cloud nine.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
At this point, I'm the champion and everything runs through me.
I'm happy, I am ready.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Even Shawn Michael's promo was good before that, and I
like how they played up the only Brett's titles on
the line. So Shawn Michael says nothing to lose, and
I think that was like the first well Wressell Media
six was champion versus Champion, but this is the first
like champion versus champion match I saw live, I guess
you could say so. I thought that was a cool

(01:35:24):
little thing. Didn't realize at that time that most of
the card was not survivor serious matches.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
So I guess you didn't miss it. Even back in
nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
You didn't care. Yeah, well, I mean you have mister
Perfect doing all that stuff, and I'm like, yes, like
this is the big story.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
You had more important things happening. That's what was happening.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
So I did like that. I thought it was funny.
The nasty boys and natural disasters, the epinabe heel tag teams,
right like, they just look like bad guys, right Like.
You don't want to cheer for those guys. They are
nasty heels and they're both baby faces here. So I
thought that was kind of funny. Just something weird about

(01:36:10):
seeing the natural disasters walk walk down like smiling ear
to ear. This is weird to be man after the
earthquake especially, is like, dude, that guy like almost killed
Haul Cocin, man Like, oh man, he's almost squashed him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Man Like you're not allowed to smile forever.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Like now you want me to cheer him, you know,
like unforgivable, Ain't no way. He's still the ops. Y'all
don't want to switch sides. You turn heel on yourself,
you'd be jaded again. And no, y'all gonna cheer for him,
Ain't no way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
I didn't even like the Nasty Boys being good guys
because the only reason they were good is because Jimmy
Hart didn't do his job for them or something, and
he got a shiny new toy with money Ink, and
when it went over there with them and the Nasty
Boys were like jealous of it, I was like, how
does that make them babyfaces?

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
I mean, I just I never bought into to at
least the Nasty Boys being babyfaces natural disasters. I guess
I kind of came around when they won the tag titles,
but then they lost them to a freaking sleeper hold
to Money Ink.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
So I was like, like, really, a sleeper hole, you're
gonna be guys like that? Like, I just it annoyed
me back then.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
A little bit Rick Flair Razor ramone matching with the
Purple it looked great. They looked like a legit tag team.
I bought into it. I didn't know about Razor back then.
I didn't know he was Scott Hall. I didn't know
he was Diamond stud back then. I didn't see him
before he debuted in WWF, and I was just like,

(01:37:42):
who is this guy? I'm like, why is he in
a prominent position already? Like didn't know him, So I
was I was harder on the guys I didn't know
because I'm just like, where the hell did you come from?
And him and Razor though, him and Flair looked like
a legit AC team, Like Razor got the good rub

(01:38:03):
I guess from Rick Flair at the time, and he
wound up having af title match of or Rubble ninety three,
so he was like already up there in the main
event and then he kind of settled it in the
mid card. But I just really like that. And Bobby
Heenan says during the opener that every match tonight is
about survival. No, it's not. We don't have like Survivor

(01:38:28):
series matches tonight. Bobby, what are you talking about? We
have one that doesn't have real rules, So what do
you mean Tonight's about survival. What are we talking about.
It's like the complete opposite of what I remember Saravaceries being. Again,
back then, I didn't really care or notice. And even

(01:38:48):
like Survivor series ninety three they bought back they brought
backtic matches, and I didn't really notice, you know, like
I just it was just a pay per view that
I was, you know, only four of them a year
back then, and naughety three was the first one to
have five because they brought in Kick in the Ring.
So I guess I was just happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Yeah, I guess. I mean again, even back in nineteen
ninety two, you didn't care about Survivor series and it's
only like five or six years old, and he's already Eh,
I can't do without it. That should say something. Uh,
But if you don't have any more random thoughts, we
can wrap it up for episode four forty seven, So Nick,
please take us out with some plugs.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
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