CLASSIC EPISODE: WCW Halloween Havoc 1995 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now it's time for a Halloween Havoc flashback.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Let's dive back and to nineteen ninety five, to Halloween
Havoc nineteen ninety five. Not so much, but Nick, are
you ready?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh? I am ready? I should I should get like
a Michael Buffer clip and we could.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Play every d Do you have an intro loaded up
for this?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I do? I do? I want me to play that.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Now let's hit it. What sounds gone back?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Halloween Havoc is here too.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Denis haven't the giant. He has a jones for destruction.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
He is motorcycle smashing, backcracking, bone crunching. That choking rampage
just opened the ghastly gate for the man who would
not could not stay down. Wc W World Chappion Hulkokin
has crossed over to the dark side to take on
the evil.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Powers in their own eerie world.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Oh my god, think about the bare monster trucks locked
up in a sumo style showdown.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
It gives her.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Fibulous possible shaking him my boots to be hauntingly close
when they see each other eye light inside the fortress
called the Ring. It will happen before your very eyes
here at Halloween Havoc ninety five.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Wow, if you didn't get pumped up, that is, but
also scared, sweet scared of the fact that they're in
the monster trucks.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Oh my god, Sumo monster trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Oh oh boy, shuddering thinking about it right now, shivering
even but Halloween have it from. World Championship Wrestling took
place October twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five, once again at
the Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, Michigan. There were about
thirteen thousand people in attendance according to good old Wikipedia,

(02:13):
which has never let us down, not once, but according
to Eric Bischoff in eighty three weeks. Speaking of Eric,
Bischoff had a lot to say about Tony Con this week.
He was in the news a lot. But the show
drew one hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars, which Bischoff
was happy with because the previous year, even though they

(02:34):
were technically more people in the building, they were a
lot of they gave away a lot of tickets, so
they didn't make as much money as they did in
nineteen ninety five, so good for ws W, but not
having to give away more tickets, w's W wasn't quite
profitable just yet, but still business was better than the
previous year. This pay per view, for those who may remember,

(02:56):
But I did not know this, this pay per view
was on a Saturday. Did you know that?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well? No, I didn't even No. Well, so that's interesting
because they take that monster truck thing in advance, so
I guess that would have been a Friday. So that's interesting.
I always thought it was like a Saturday Sunday thing,
but no, I guess I didn't know that. How about
that Saturday pay per views for the win?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
The tagline for yeah, oh yeah, for sure going for
I think Door Rumble is gonna be on a Saturday
this year.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think yep.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
The tagline for Halloween Havoc ninety five was there's nowhere
to hide. That's it. That's super cool. The tagline for
ninety four, No, it's like raising a cage or something
like that. But you really wanted to hide your children
from this horrific show. That's what you really wanted to do.
But apparently there's no where to hide, so that sucks.

(03:51):
But oh well, so before we uh get further into
this show, well before actually, let me backtrack a second.
I was looking through the posters like for this show,
and I was like, man, that looks familiar. That's all
looking through posters from like ninety four, from like Start
Kicking ninety four through this show, and the vast majority

(04:13):
of them featured hawk Hogan, which is not totally surprising
because he was the top star, but he's making the
same face and all of them's like they used the
same picture over and over again of hawk Hogan for
the most part, for like all the shows, almost and
things really didn't kind of change until Fall Brawl, when
they got a photo of him, you know, doing a
leg drop to somebody. I was like, Damn, what the

(04:36):
hell is going on here? Debi's w I didn't even
try to create new posters. But before we dig further
into the show, I gotta ask you, Nick, where were
you in life in the fall of nineteen ninety five?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
So I just started my fifth grade year. I had
turned ten, like a few weeks before this show. I
do remember on my tenth birthday my parents got me
those lod pads shoulder pads. I believe they were nic
It's it's weird though, because they weren't in the WWF

(05:12):
at the time, because I didn't get maybe I got
the shoulder pads when I was eight or something. I'm
some of the things are running together, but I do
remember getting a tag title foam belt because I got
like the I had the World title pham belt, WWF
phone belt. I had the Intercontinental WWF phone belt before.

(05:33):
You know, obviously those rip apart when I'm playing with
them and stuff like that, so I kind of didn't
have those anymore. So they only had three titles at
the time the WWF did, so my parents got me
the tag title just one tag title belt. But it
was like the coolest pham belt I had because it
was bigger than the Intercontinental title or the world title,
and it looks so much cooler, Like it was bigger

(05:53):
and it looked cooler with the gray foam and everything.
So it was like the coolest thing that I had
at the time, Like a big WWF shirt because they
ordered it from the catalog. So I got one of
those black shirts with the w WF outline logo on
it and a pile Driver music video. So yeah, I

(06:13):
was watching that. I was like, wait, this is like
weird because it was from the eighties, so yeah, it was,
Oh it was like a free classic video, or like
that guy that will come on Raw as War and
be like, if you got these Michael's sunglasses and this hat,
we'll throw it a free classic video, and.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
They we're trying to get rid of because nobody's buying exactly.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
So Pile Driver was the classic video they gave away
at least. So I was watching it and I was like, Okay,
this is weird. I watched maybe ten minutes of it
and I was like, Nope, it's just like music videos
or whatever. I was not interested in that.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So I figured, right up your island, you like wrestling
any of the album? Why wouldn't you like Pile Driver?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Too old for me? Oh, it wasn't cool enough. I
appreciate it now though, But when I was send your old,
I was trying to be cool, you know, but funny aside.
The day after my party, I guess I had I
was allergic to something and I didn't realize it, and
I remember staying home. I didn't go to shirts or something.

(07:15):
I don't know why I stayed home, and I thought
it was the WF shirt that I was wearing that
it was giving me hives on my arms. I had
no idea what they were. It was the first time
I ever got hives. My mom didn't really know what
to do. She was just kind of keeping an eye
on it because she was a nurse, and she's like, well, like,
are you having any other issues? And I was like, no,

(07:36):
like I feel fine. It was just the hives on
my skin. Then I noticed like they weren't itching, they
weren't causing any other issues with my body, and then
they eventually just went away, you know, like the next
day or something. So very weird. I thought it was
like theF shirt. So I took that off and I'd
ever wore it again.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Oh wow, Yeah, but that's wow.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's kind of like where my head was at that
time frame.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah. I was only six, but yeah, six years old.
Still don't remember a whole lot from this time period.
So yeah, that's it. That's all I got. I mean,
I probably went trick or treating around this time, which
would have been fun. But you mentioned that your mom
or your parents ordered the shirt and the uh they

(08:24):
have the video through the catalog, and it made me
think of, like, man, remember when we used to do that.
You used to get like fingerhut or something like that,
or whatever a catalog was out back in you know,
the mid nineties. You get the catalog for like anything.
It could be like QVC catalogs, and you could order
like a whole dishwasher from the damn catalog or something

(08:45):
like that, or like you can get like CD ember
the CD collections. You get like thirty CDs or like
ten bucks something like that. So, yeah, that's just a
blast in the past, right they're ordering catalogs. And now
that's obviously obsolete because we can order something from my phone,
you know, on the palm of my hand. But yeah,
I remember those days ordering from cattleg getting the East

(09:06):
Bay Catalog with like sneakers and like sports equipment. You know,
I'm sure you're a baseball players. I'm sure you saw
all the latest gloves and the batting helmets and all
that stuff. And then uh so, yeah, catalogs. So kids
don't remember too young, they used to be a thing.
Man for East Bay was big online. They just have
a catalog. They were sitting around. I don't know either

(09:27):
it was quarterly or monthly or what, but big deal
back in the day. Man, the East Spay Catalog.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I remember getting them too. I was just like bring
him to school with me and look through it attack like
I was the cool Oh yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, damn well, you're not buying a damn thing, but
it was cool to look at. Ooh I want these,
You're not getting them.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Got a job right, I'm ten years old though.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Like these cleats are how much? Get out of here?
But back to Halloween havoc at NT. This show, of course,
is built around two matches featuring the same two people
we got, Hulk Hogan and the Giant. The first match
they would be taking part in will be a first

(10:15):
time ever probably the last time ever, a sumo monster
truck match that was going to take place on top
of Coobo Hall that was next door to Joe Louis Arena.
After that, so that wasn't enough. There's more because later
in the night they want to face each other in

(10:36):
an actual wrestling match for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.
That is, of course, provided that no one falls off
Coobo Hall during the monster truck match, which should result
in an instant death and cancelation of the title match.
Right you would think you would think, I mean, heaven

(10:57):
forbid the Iron falls off because he can't possibly make
to the world title because he'd be dead.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Right next to his father.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Brother. First it's machine machine. I'm gonna push that giant
right out of the circle, brother, and then I'm gonna
take him in the ring and lame next to his
father right here in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Brother, my god, lamb next to his father and the grave.
But those don't know, uh, the giants father in this case,
it is supposed to be Andre the Giant. So that's
what you know. They're talking about his father, that's what
they're talking about. But he's gonna lay next to him
in the grave. Damn man, he.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Was a person before.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Before we all knew. I'm gonna lamb right next to
his dead father. Man bury him right next to him.
May he rest in peace, God rest his soul. Oh yeah, yeah,
slam next to his dad. Let's do it, slam them
straight to heaven the hell man. So yeah, that's just

(12:11):
a tip of the iceberg of how absurd this would be. Yeah,
So we played the intro already, the intro I thought
was much better than the year before. Then we get
the big power display and we have Tony Shivanna and
Bobby Heenan on the call for Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety five.
While they're doing their intro, we get footage of Holgan

(12:32):
in the Giant in their monster trucks at the beginning
of the show. What were the saying, was that happened
later in the show. No, they're showing it now. It's
just like just just tipping the just tipping their hand
and saying this was taped ahead of time, but they're
trying to cover.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Up.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It was like, Oh, they're just trying to you know,
they're trying to see them warming up in the monster truck.
They gotta get them out of the monster trucks so
they can get them back into the monster trucks for
the monster truck match. Right.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
They both did stage promos after this, so they literally
both got out of their monster trucks, came inside, and
then went back out.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
What. Yeah, that's not what happened. Obviously, in real life,
logistics doesn't work like that. So in real life, they
taped us tonight before and then you know, aired it
as if it happened right then and there. But when
you show them in the monster trucks earlier in the night,
you kind of just throw that out the window. As
far as like Oh, it's happening right now.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Kill was not exactly that's what I got from it.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, that was really bad. Then they talk about Ric Flair,
who was apparently attacked by Brian Pillman and Arn Anderson.
We don't get any footage of this, but that's the
word on the street is that Ric Flair was jumped
by his two homies or former homies. I's I say so,
at least Arn Anderson's former homie. I show about Brian Pillman,

(13:52):
So more on that later on. Then we get a
video package, a hype of Evenings first contests, and this
video package to get Johnny be Bad. He's about to
go against Staying for the United States Heay Wey Championship.
But no, Johnny be Bad, He's nowhere to be found.
Where is he? Where's he at? They gave him two
chances to come to the ring to face Sting, and

(14:13):
it turns out that Johnny be Bad all four of
his tires were slashed and he could make it hit
Car Trouble and in his place Brian Pillman's face Sting instead.
Of course, Pilman lost, but it turns out that it
wasn't just car Trouble and all four tires blowing out once,
which would be a wild occurrence if that was the case.

(14:34):
And we're just got driving out of the mountain range,
where's he going?

Speaker 6 (14:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
MAXI Muscle comes in during the promo that was on
Saturday night and pretty much gives away the fact that
he was the one who flatten all the tires. Again,
it was suck to have four flat tires, and Johnny
be bad like, how do you know they were four?
And started wallopping people right.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Then than there, I said a flat tire. Stuff like that.
That helped me when it came to schoolwork. I was like, okay,
what's the big deal? And then he's like, clearly it's
not plural. He said a flat tire, and there you go.
The bad guy gave it away that there were multiple ones.
I was like, oh that okay, that makes sense. Mm hmm, Hey,

(15:14):
wrestling taught me a lot man.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah. Max Muscle, by the way, was played by John
saw lits Go. I hope I said that right who
saw lit Goo who he unfortunately passed away the age
of fifty six and twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
So starck do you hear that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
That's how kind of say his name, right, So Bad,
but he was a former bodybuilder. He began wrestling in
nineteen ninety two. Of course he's a bodybuilder given hence
the name Max Muscle, and he's louper creative by WSW.
By the way, Max Muscled.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Like Max Muscle, Max pained. They had a bunch of Maxes.
Is like the complete antithesis of w W, where you
you can't even have the same syllable and I can't
even have.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
We got have some one syllable name already. You gotta
be two or more. Get on, get on that out
of here. You can't be you can't be staying here.
They had a sting and then they got one syllable
name in w W that means we can't do one
here but recipes and Max Muscle.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Uh was not expecting it to go that route. So
to your family friend.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Kind of funny, but it's not funny and you're.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Like, oh no, like who like who?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh my god? But onto the match. Of course, WSW
Television Championship Diamond Dallas Page is offending it against Johnny
be Bad because you know he cast Johnny be Bad
a chance at the US title. So now you have
to defend your TV title against him, Johnny be Bad
making his entrance. Oh wait, that's not John to be Bad.
That's a guy who never knew who that was. I

(16:56):
didn't know with his back turn pretending to be John
to be Bad. But Johnny B Bad jumps into the
ring from behind DP and gettings cracking right in and
there like oh yeah, yeah, you know, pulling clever ruse.
That's that's a baby face move. Shavanni during the match
mentioned that it was apparently just announced that the Tigers

(17:19):
were getting a new stadium and that stadium would eventually
become Comerica Park, which opened in two thousand. So there
you go. There's a little bit of tipp it for
you about the Detroit Tigers. How about that at one
point the Diamond Dolls that like disliking DVP and during

(17:40):
Johnny B Bad's comeback, gave him a perfect ten and
Tony Shavanni acted like, this was one of the greatest
moments in the history of our sport. Quote, boy, that
was a moment to remember in w's w history and
you saw it only on Halloween Havoc. What oh boy,

(18:03):
that's the moment.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's apparently.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's it. She piled up the event sign now for
Ty Dillinger or Sean Spears, but for Johnny B Bad
All right, uh max Muscle though he tried and failed
multiple times to in a few year, and the last
time he failed he closed lined DP, which allowed Johnny

(18:31):
B Bad to pen DDP to pick up the win
and become the new WTW World Television Champion.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
So one year ago, Johnny B Bad and Hockey talk
Man fought for the World TV title, right.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yep, and a time lim a draw which was unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Which was ten minutes. This match between Johnny B Bad
and DDP lasted seventeen minutes of one second. Hey man,
what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
They extended it for the pay per view. They realized, like,
ten minutes is too short, so we got to extend
it for the pay per view. They didn't even have
ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
They didn't even the ring announcer didn't even list the
time limit when he was strict of the announcements.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
So also be glad you had to see hon K
talk Man wrestle for ten minutes?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Right, Well, yeah, I guess okay. One of my favorite
moments during this match was Bobby Heenan cleverly invoking the
Melendez brothers.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
You realize the Chikh and Sabu make the Melendez brothers
look like Laura and Hardy.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I have no comment on that one.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's a that's the appropriate remark Tony Svanni. It really
was that he was quick because did the Milandez brothers
murdered their parents?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
They did that year, I believe so, or the bere
prior so, they were talking about the Sheikh and Sabu. Well,
Sabu was competing later in the night with the original
Sheikh in his corner, and so that's what they were
talking about, and he then came up with that one.
So one of the funniest things about that match today.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Personally it was a good match. Though. It was a
good match with GDP and trying to be bad. It
can work and they're in good shape. The Diamond Doll
told him the ten stuff was where we're blown by
Tony Shivanni and they made maxi Muscle look really dumb
multiple times.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
They're very confusing watching that as a new viewer, like
I didn't order this pay per view, so I didn't
see it live. But if like I did, then I
would have been like, if she's in the ddp's corner.
Why does she hate him so much?

Speaker 8 (20:38):
Like?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Just leave? Like I would have been so confused. They
didn't really explain that well enough.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean, that's still a valid question to this day. Yeah,
you hate him so much? Just leave whatever. Moving on,
we got Tony Shevanni talking about the dangerous or how
dangerous the monster truck match is just Ugh, hide your
kids because it's going to get nasty on top of

(21:04):
corbol Hall.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
We gotta hear this one.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
But they've never been in a Shumo monster truck. This
is an unknown for It's very dangerous really for both men.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, they're hooked together, correct, you have bumper the bubbles.

Speaker 9 (21:14):
Okay, Now, if you and I were hooked bumpered the
bumper and I pushed you off the roof, I'd go too.

Speaker 10 (21:19):
That's rice could be a no win situation for both
of them, very very dangerous.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
The object is is to push your opponent out, both
axles out or flip it.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
As we go to the ring and oneaboom.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Kaboom number one, How how the hell can you flip
them if you're you're strapped together and not strapped together,
but you tether this so to speak, you can't do that.
That's I mean, I've never they both go Just like
you said, if you push one guy out off the roof,
they both go down. So if one car flips, they
both flips. How do you both how do you flip one?

(21:53):
I don't I don't understand that. But yes, this is
like and w's w's the Monster Truck Match. It's the
most dangerous match pretty much in wrestling history. And it
couldn't it couldn't, right, and they could end with a kaboom,

(22:16):
just according to Bobby Heenan. So there's that.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Moving on to second match of the night, we got
Macho Man Mandy Savage going up against the Zodiac.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Kay YEA thought that was the Butcher.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I thought that was Brutus Beefcake. Oh wait was he
Brother Brewed Eye?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
No, no, no, was he the Shark? No that was
that was Avalanche? No, No, he's just Zodiac.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Soon Ben.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Bro Hawk Hogan almost ruined ws WLL just created it
had to him, right.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
The best part of this match was the run in
the fan running.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
All right, So here's the thing, Savage, Yeah, that was
a wild part of the match. Actually, Savage and Luger,
they were at odds and in order for them to
face each other later the night, Savage had to win
this match and Luger had to win this match later
in the show as well.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
I guess WW didn't want to sign them one on
one for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I don't know why, but you mentioned the fan jumping
into the ring. He looked like he came straight out
of nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I thought that was relegated first.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
If there was a person who you like, if you
envision ninety ninety five in your head and be like,
what does that person the average white male look like
in next ninety five, it would be the guy who
jumped into the ring during this match, like he looked
straight out of like he went from a grunge bar
straight to the Halloween havoc. But he jumps into the ring,

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and referee Randy Anderson was having none of his nonsense.
He man handled his homie Homeboy and made sure he
didn't touch the wrestlers, and while security finally got ahold
of him and started escorting him off the premises, Savage,
Savage and Zodiac are fighting on camera while they're getting

(24:22):
Homeboy straightened out off camera, All of a sudden, the
crowd just pops right, and that you could tell the
crowd isn't looking at the wrestling match, all right. It
wasn't for the wrestlers, it was for the intruder who
ran into the ring when he wasn't supposed to be there.
Then he then goes listen to the ovation for Randy Savage.

(24:44):
You know, damn well, end up cheering for Randy Savage.
They weren't even looking at Randy Savage. You can see
the fans in the front road looking away from Zodiac
and Randy Savage.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
But he didn't tried. He really tried. Man listen to
the ovations for Randy Savage. A he's getting beat up
on the outside of the ring. Okay, uh Savage one?
Is he Savage one? His match very quickly. He hit
the elbow drop. Uh literally hit the elbow drop while
the streaker, I guess you call him intruder was being

(25:16):
hauled off by security out of the arena. Uh An.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
He won son thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
There you go, And most of the action came from
a guy, a fan who jumped the rail, jumped the
guard rail and jumped to the ring, and Randy Anderson
did his damnedest to keep him away from the wrestlers.
So I hope Randy Anderson got a you know, a
couple extra bucks because yeah, you know, he got real physically,
yet he did more work than Zodiac, and Zodiac got beat.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
You know, he exerted more physical strength one minute seconds
than the Zodiac did.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That we'll talk. That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Did you notice Dori and savages that entrance? There was
a he just ran what this random woman appears and
he just like puts her he hugs her like in
the aisleway, and yeah, I have no idea who that was.
It's funny. She kind of like goes in like puts
her cheek out because she thinks Savage is gonna kiss her,

(26:18):
and he just walks away. Wow, that was a low
key favorite moment of this pay per view for me
because I was just like, that's hilarious. So that I wrote,
Savage still loves.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Liz Savage like I don't love his hoes.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Liz would debut a few months after this some WCW,
so she wasn't there yet, but maybe he was planting
the seed. He was like, Nope, I'm not going to
kiss her cheek because this is coming.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
You can say that was savage even am I right? Nothing? Oh,
there we go.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
That was a brief laugh. It was like, alright, moving on, sucker.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
No, you know, we'll move on. That was a good
one for me.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I appreciate it. There we go, There we go. I
appreciate it. I appreciate your support. But moving on. We
got gen ogleing backstage. He's promoting the hot Line yet
again for only the first time tonight, and he's saying
he saw Jimmy Hart talking to someone he used to
manage in another promotion. Couldn't talk about it on the air.

Speaker 10 (27:32):
Halloween, have that cup and running. It's still a whole
lot of entertainment to come, by the way. Speaking of entertainment,
Woy is absolutely sizzling tonight on Option one. I overheard
the Mouth of the South, Jimmy Hart talking to a
man that he used to represent at another wrestling federation.

(27:52):
I can't talk about it on the air. I certainly
won't talk about it here on Halloween Havoc.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
What the hell? Why the hell not, Jeane, because you
want you to buy that hotline, bro, I just bought No,
you got about the hotline too.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
You can bing me to Scoop who Jimmy Hart was
talking to. He overheard it here. He's dropping in people's
conversations scheme uh as he talks about that. Johnny b
Bad comes in as he's celebrating his new newly won
television championship from Diamond Dallas Page and Johnny be Bad

(28:32):
because of promo, and he talks about him and Gene
Okland should celebrate out in the streets of Detroit. Go
somewhere where they can sing karaoke. It's like that sounds
lame but kind of fun because I would like to
I would like to go on singing karaoke with Gene Oakland.
But I think Johnny be Bad should have been too
cool for school in that sense and shouldn't have offered

(28:52):
to do that because he's got kind of lame for
a cool wrestler to do. But for me, Joe Blow
Mark would have loved to have done that. Rest in
Pece Oakland. Yes, but I'm just a I'm just a Mark,
I'm just a fan. So but Bobby Heenan, of course
always has something to say, has something to say about

(29:13):
this as well. I don't know if you had this
pulled up, Yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Something that mustage she has comes with a no, he's
in glassy too.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Wow. He called this man Groucho Marx.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Actually no, I don't think I did have it because.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
But he also said about Oakland going into Okay, that's
the right, because you talked about Oakland going into restaurants.
He said, Oakland singing in the restaurant. That helped the
business of the other restaurants because no one is coming
to that place to hear him singing with a mouthful
of lamb chops.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
How did I miss that one? Damn it. I don't know, man,
that's classic.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Helped the business of the other restaurants because no one
wants to hear him singing with a mouthful of lamb chops.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I'll tell you he didn't. An Oakley was the best
w S wcw F you'd ever WWFA, they were okay,
but WCW really really wrapped.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
It up, really wrapped it up.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I posted a video from Halloween Havock ninety four. It
was after the Flair Savage Match or Flair Hogan Match
and Gene Oaklan's with the broadcast booth with Heenan and
Tony Schavani and all Heenan's doing. He's like, you know,
it's fake crying because Flair lost, and he just bends
over and then I guess Gene thought he was like
spitting on his shirt or something. He like turns around,

(30:35):
he's like you son of it, and they stare at
each other for like ten seconds. It's like you could
tell they'll try not to laugh. But man, it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Gin put that cigarette out.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
He said it in the microphone. He's like, you son
of us, so like we all heard it. It's like gen.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Tan Oaklan, Man, what a classic, what a tremendous n
you were? Yes, Gin Oklean was so yeah. I would
have loved to have gone out and some karaoke and
shared a few cocktails with Gene Oaklan, but that's just me.
I'm not a television champion of the World, so that's
neither hear north there. Moving on to Road the Warrior Hawk,

(31:20):
who you mentioned. You know you get the World Warrior
shoulder pads earlier, the phone ones. Ye, where here's one
half of them. Road Warrior Hawk going up against Kirasaur.
You're probably wondering who the hell is Kiasaur. Well, Kirasawer
it's better known as former iw GP heavyweight champion Manabu Nakanishi.

(31:41):
I hope I said that right. He actually just retired
in early twenty twenty, but he had a neck injury
in twenty eleven that kind of affected his style. But
you know, style in the ring, I should say. But
what you didn't know may may or may not have
known about Nakanishi is that he competed in the next
ninety two Summer Olympics as as an amateur wrestler. So

(32:02):
he's an accomplished athlete. And he's pretty jacked up on
this night, and he's being managed by Colonel Parker. And
this was pretty quick. Actually, this didn't last too long.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Three minutes and fifteen seconds.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I got nothing to say about this really much other
than Kirasauer Nakanishi won with the help of Colonel Robert Parker.
That's pretty much.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Terrible match, terrible match, and Hawk losing this brutal who cares. Yeah, yeah,
I'd have no clips for this. Fortunately, why would you.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
There's nothing to say. I have no notes for it
other than the stuff I have about Kirasauer in his
accomplished career. That was it. So we're back stage yet
again with Gene Oakland. He's not in the locker room
with Randy Savage, who was pacing back and forth, and
he just yells about Luger and Hogan. And then after

(33:00):
all of the yelling he did, he turns Gene Oakland
and yells, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, Randy Savage.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Oh your.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Your beard is a little sideways too.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
But I don't want to get into that.

Speaker 10 (33:12):
I take personal pot shots that you or anything else
that's not my nature.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Better than that, I'm a bigger man.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
How did we get into this?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
That's okay man.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
One of my favorite Savage Oklin interactions ever.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
What you're a mustache is crooked? Your bed a little sideways? Okay,
right back, Eddie, clap right back. He did not gonna
roast me like that on to you not get not
get you come up, and Sir.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Didn't even let it marinate. He went right now.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
He was right back, Addie.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
This is one of my favorite clips ever. And that's
why I get so angry when, uh, you know, my
at nic pec on Twitter was suspended because I have
had a few threads there, uh wrestling related that were
so classic that I kept adding to through the months
and everything. So it was like such a great uh
thread with videos, and I had a Gene Oakland thread

(34:14):
uh even before he passed away. I started it. They
were like my favorite Gen Oakland moments and I added
this video to that, this promo and one of my
favorite ones that I've ever seen. Between those two, it's
just absolute classic. And this is when Bobby Heenan said, like,
you know that mustache yass comes with those of classes too, so.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
So those and glasses. That's really funny actually, but this
is bizarre stuff. He came right back at him. How
did we get into this? It's okay, man, he's like
everybody's doing. I want to take personal pot shots at you, Randy,
It's okay, all right.

Speaker 10 (34:55):
Yeah, You're beard is a little sideway. Take personal pot
shots that you or anybody else that's not my nature.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Better guy than that, I don't mind.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I'm a bigger man, a bigger man.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
How did we get into this?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
How do we get into this?

Speaker 6 (35:18):
Man?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I'm a bigger man.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Your mustache wasn't crooked at the w W F.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Are you suspicious?

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Now?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I know you? Your mustachs a little straighter back then we
have to unfortunately move on from this Shenanigans more time.
We have to move on.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
So here's the heat and line after that.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You know something mustache she has comes with a nose
and glasses.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Too man unnecessary, but he did it.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
He did it.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
But we're moving on to Saboo versus mister j L
and probably wondering who the hell is mister j L. Well,
if you haven't figured that out, jay L is the
initials of one Jerry Lynn, So that's who played mister
j L. He's also and one of the greatest clips

(36:16):
in the history of our show when mister j L
was going up against uh Ray Traylor and Ray Traylor
picked up a bike on Saturday Night, which prompted Dusty
Rose to go.

Speaker 11 (36:28):
He's got a bicycle. He got a There you go,
think at the bicycle in this arena. I don't know
who was a riding it.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Still in the program here on got a mindle.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Come out and who are we riding a big on
this arena? I don't come from he's a killing I
love my trade.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Ad im freaking the gibbers.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
Bumbers went over and gotta hear my bicycle.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know what a kid is. That was a
riding when they brought it.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
To the ring.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
And now he's up.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
He's just fun.

Speaker 10 (37:07):
The stumble mud holding.

Speaker 8 (37:08):
Over jail, ain't no jail.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yes, yes, I lost my train of thought a bicycle.
I think this bicycle classic momber. That's the best moment
in the history of mister j L. Sorry, Jerry Lynn,
you had a great career, that's Jerry Lynn. But mister

(37:38):
j L, that moment right there when you got hit
with a bicycle, that's number one in my book. And
that's just how I see it, and that's how it's
gonna be. That's it, That's how it is. But on
this night, he's going up against Saboo, and I know
that that Sabo's e c W music miles better than
his step is a W music. I don't even remember

(38:00):
w W music, but ECW music was obviously way better.
But Sabu was out here with the Sheikh who is
his uncle, the original Chikh Eddie Farhat right. Is that
how you say his name. I'm pretty sure that's how
you say it. I can look it up to be sure.
But he was a wrestling legend in Detroit. He promoted

(38:28):
and he ran Detroit Cobo Hall in particular. Yes, Eddie
Farhat far Hot, I think I can't, I'm saying it wrong.
But the original chikh Uh, he was a legendary wrestler
in Detroit and he's I believe in the w W
Hall of Fame as well. So rest in peace of
the chikh and uh. But yes, that is legitimately Saboo's uncle. H.

(38:52):
And again he promoted shows at Kobo Hall back in
the day, back in the territory days. But dismatch itself
also very quick, uh sabe one seconds there you go
sabyone with a springboard kind of us, his legs doing
moons off the ropes at the top rope.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
And then won the match and right after the pen
and Sheik's fashion only you know, this is the only
way she would handle something like this is that after
his nephew won the match, he immediately threw a fireball
in jl's face.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
He burned them.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
He is a little insult and injury. You lost fireball
Like that's what she was known for back today, throw
the fireball in people's faces. Uh, you know, and he
and could believe it. He threw a fireball in someone's face,
Oh my god, Like that she hadn't done that millions
of times over his career. Like literally his calling card

(39:50):
was the fireball, and it's just he just had to
put that out again, like I got a spare fireball.
Here you go, Jail, not a personal fan, but this
get this fireball fans people. That's the people came to
see the fireball on your face. But remember the time
that Mankind messed up the fireball in WWF.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Oh yeah, and then.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
The Taker just grabbed a piece of paper and grabbed
a lighter and showed it to everybody. It's like, here's
the fireball.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Legit burned Paul Burger.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It did. I didn't know that. Oh you throw that
Paul Bear's face, right.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Because Mankind was thrown in Takers and then you're supposed
to miss Taker and hit Paul and it was. They
tried it so many times. I think it was on
that a Revenge of the Taker pay per view in
your house right after WrestleMania is so finally, like, I
guess that's why we don't see so much of it
because they literally try to set up twice and it

(40:48):
fails twice. Takers just like that's it, I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Mankind was just couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
He probably was.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
And it takers like, forget this bro vapor lighter fire done,
we gotta get out of here. We gotta go. We
got pay per views someone that we gotta get off
the air bro, we gotta go. Oh that was that's
a classic moment as well. But now we're in the

(41:17):
dugen of Doom's Layer and we hear from Kevin Sullivan
and the Master who was just yelling about the galaxy
and destroying hal Coromania. But he did mention the insurance policy.
Who knew that if you're in Dodge in the Doom
you get insurance from that, Like they didn't have all

(41:38):
State though they didn't have a Geico apparently, but they
had company insurance. They had faction insurance in the form
of the yet Tay. He's actually supposed to be the
Yetti but Tony Sivanni for whatever reason, the yet tag

(41:59):
it's like he was and some stink on it, like
the yatag y'all, the yeah tay.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
But the Yetti Jimmy Hart sound like that ye dy.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Big tall mommy guy's YETI. He's gonna tell him my
best friend Hong Kold tonight. Yeah, not my best friend
anymore tonight because we got got the yetti. So yes,
the Yetti was a mummy who was frozen in a
block of ice and the Master, who was played by

(42:34):
King Curtis I KA former WWF World Tax Team Champion.
But the Master breaks him out of the block of
ice that was in the Himalayas m and now he's
the insurance policy for the Dungeon of Doom. This somebody
thought of this. Somebody thought of we should have a
mummy that's in the block of ice from the ice age.

(42:56):
Never mind global warming probably would have melted that ice,
or probably would have melted it by now, at least
in twenty twenty one. But because temperatures are horizon and
our plant. But he's in his block of ice, presumably
from the ice age. It's a mummy, and he's gonna

(43:17):
get melted. He's gonna get freed, and he's gonna work
for the Dungeon of Doom to destroy Hall Cogan and
hall Comania. That's his purpose, not to rule the world,
which you would think an undead mummy frozen in the
block of ice where thousands of years would try to
do maybe I don't know, maybe get a job at
I don't know. No, it's to destroy Hall Cogan the Yektay. Yeah,

(43:46):
this is only the beginning, folks. He could his body
because he's wrapped up in toilet paper pretty much. But
it's only the beginning. We move on to g no
Ocle when he was backstage with Hawk Hogan, dressing all black,
looking like Hollywood Hogan. But right now he's just Hawk Hogan.

(44:11):
He's going to the dark side. He's dressed up just
in his all black kid because he's from the dark
side now, because he's gonna get the Duzzen of Doom
and their mummy. And he's with the winner of ww's
Holly Davis and Sweepstakes. It was some guy from Alabama.
Hawk Hogan handed them the keys. He kept calling the
guy Maniac Mike, and Maniac Mike was apparently planning to

(44:32):
ride his new motorcycle from Detroit all the way to Alabama.
I don't know if that was a good idea. I
didn't look up how far that is. I'm gonna look
it up now though. How far a ride that would
have been? Da ride that sucker all back home. So

(44:59):
these days, a drive from Detroit to Alabama is twelve
hours and twenty two minutes via I seventy five South
and I sixty five South, according to good old Google.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Right terrific.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I don't know if that would have been Okay, Gene,
I don't know if that means, but I do. I
don't know if that trip would have been longer because
he's on a motorcycle or not in the car. Uh
what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Then think about the right you know, or the exhaust pipe.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, like if it would have been longer because on
the motorcycle, Uh not, probably shorter, right, mean, if you
ride a bike, it looks like shorter. I guess. I
don't know, because you don't have to speed limit. You
don't have Also, the nineteen ninety five I don't know
if they've built some new highways since.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Then, go pass past pass.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
That's fair. If you ride a bicycle from De Georte, Alabama,
no comment. But if you were to ride a bike
from De George, Alabama, it would take seventy six hours
on the Little Miami Scenic Trail or the Ohio Bicycle
Route three according to Google, eight hundred and eighty four miles.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
That's crazy, like that eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And twenty miles in the car. So if you were
to walk two hundred and sixty eight miles, I don't
know what that comes out to in days. I'd imagine
it's a lot of days. But you want to ride that.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Sucker undred and sixty eight miles.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
No hours, hours, not miles hours. Maybe I said miles
by mistake, but.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
No hours years are stupid.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
All that's hours, baby, So it'll take you by the week,
maybe long more than that, right, but yeah, maniac Mike
sounded like a maniac, and he said he's gonna stradder
that statter that sucker and ride it the way back
to Alabama. And it's not like a good idea. But
then we're get a commercial for the first ever World

(47:18):
War three, which is taking place the very next month.
Of course, it's the Battle World. We got three rings,
twenty men in each, so we be a giant in
each ring and the winner will get this title shot,
I believe at Starcade.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Right, supposedly, there you go, but next up.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
On the car that Halloween Having nineteen eighty five is
Ming versus Lex Luger. And all you do is watch
this match one time and you can tell something is
up with Luger and then then there's no doom because
Sullivan helped this guy win the match. He even prevented

(47:59):
ming from allowing the ladder to win by this qualification.
And everybody's on, what the hell's going on here? Well,
it's going to be clear pretty soon. But this match.
I don't remember anything for this match at all. Neither.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
It was like there was a match. Yeah it was
a match at thirteen minutes, but as long you can
think Lex Luger and Mang like that'd be a pretty
good match. But there's nothing really memorable. The most memorable
thing for me was Bobby Heenan talked about the Detroit
Red Wings. Uh, you know, seventy seventy year old franchise.
They were about to celebrate, well, they were about to
celebrate seventy years and they had I guess it, only

(48:38):
went won one cup in that time. So he says,
we're able to win another one in seventy years, and
they will. They won four, including one against our Philadelphia Flyers.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Right two years later they won another. They won another one,
so they was all right, it was all right. We
talked about the Red Wings last week in my range
Knowledge of nineties hockey. Yeah, how I named like three
lines worth of Red Wings last week, so I'm not
gonna do it again. But yeah, he was wrong about that,

(49:12):
Bobby Heenan, just like he was wrong about the Yankees
last week too. That's wrong about the Red Wings this week.
Was always wrong about a sports team at some point.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Probably not a sports fan.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
We're backstage again, though, go ahead, I didn't hear what
you said.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Probably not a sports fan.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Probably not. But he always brings up sports team though.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
He does tries to be I guess current, but yeah,
that's his way.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, and being wrong every time. So but we move
on again with backstage, yet again with Gene Oakland who's
not with the Giant, and the Giant grabs a microphone
and holds it up to his face and is hurting
Gene Oakland. Genoclean is like, oh, out of my arm,
h it's causing Gene Oakland a great deal of pain,
while the Giant talks in his strange voice while holding

(50:03):
the microphone. It was all bizarre. I don't even remember
what he said. I just remember I just got distracted
by his voice and the visible look of pain on
Gene Okoland's face. Pretty much as he held up the microphone.
But we're back in the ring. There's now time for
a tag team match. You got Arn Anderson and Brian
Pillman teaming up against Ric Flair and Sting dream Team,

(50:28):
the dream Team, or so we thought. Mind you a sidebar,
I should say, did you see that Ric Flair is
speaking at a fundraiser for herschel Walker this weekend or
some point soon. Yeah, you know it's a conservative conservative
event where Trump is gonna be there. You know, hershel
Walker's running for Senate by the way. Also over there's

(50:50):
gonna be Duck Flutie and Tom Glavin. Hmm. Rick Flair
not helping his cause by speaking at this event speaking
for herschel Walker's I think he's gonna go up against
Warnock down in Georgia. Good luck, bro Uh. I know
there's a lot of Georgia Bulldogs fans down there, but

(51:11):
black Fos don't give it. Damn about that, We don't
give it. Damn. Oh you you played for Georgia back
in the day, So okay, you want to hide him? Okay, yeah,
good luck with that. We like We like Todd Gurley
better anyway. Remember no Tho Sean Moreno, we.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Like him too.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I know some Georgia Bulldog winning backs Dean J. Swift,
Saint Joorge Prepp graduate from Philly. Yeah, I know some
Bulldogs a couple.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
They're bizarre.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Their defense apparently is ridiculous this year. I don't know
if you've been keeping up college football, but I saw
they were. They were it's actually the Arkansas. Oh who
are they playing? Arkansas was playing somebody and they have
a pretty good receiver. I can't remember his name on
top of my head, but they showed the staty like
had his game so far the season, he had like

(52:22):
one hundred yards against his team, one hundred yards against
that team, and he had like one hundred yards in
like five of the six games. Then they showed Georgia
and he had ten. Oh. I don't know if he
got hurt in that game or not, but if he
didn't get hurt, yikes, WHOA. So that's your college football

(52:45):
noledge people, just so you know. But back to this match, yeah, back.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
To this back right now. And brock Lester arrived, he
f five Adam Pierce split his damn pants open. It's hilarious.
It is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Nice they mae that time he F five Michael Cole
out of his shoes, and shoes went flying through the air.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
That'll never get hold of me, like stuff like that.
I just looked over and I don't know if it's
because of the F five, but out of pears his
pants were like split in the middle. Like not hilarious,
just funny.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
It's hysterical. You know what else is hysterical? Match the
fact that Sting ever thought that Rick Flair was ever
on his side. Go on, Sting, why are you so
damn gullible? They all come up. This match was never
in doubt because Flair was supposedly again attacked by Brian

(53:43):
Pillman and Arn Anderson again, an attack we never actually saw,
by the way, but in the early going we got
staying he goes it alone, right, and it didn't really
matter because he was beating her out of Brian Pilman
and any Anderson anyway, so it didn't matter. He didn't
really need it, Flair. But Ric Flair actually comes out
and this street closed, and his and his slacks and

(54:03):
his uh, I'm sure hundreds of dollars, a pair of shoes,
you know, Italian leather. I'm sure right, his loafers Okay, uh,
he's out there. He's chasing Anderson around in the street. Closed.
He shoved a ref and the fans they bought it
for a second. It's oh man, that's only gonna turn

(54:25):
against his boys. And he even stood in the corner
for a while cheering on sting while Arn Anderson and
Brian Pilman worked over him.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
How aren't you convinced when you hear this.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
He made for stag the stand tall snag it you
can hear stink.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Sounds so dumb.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Exactly there I'm here. That didn't convince you.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
That's what he's gonna say. It this damn fundraiser for
herschel Walker.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Nature boy talk.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
You talk about somebody who fell off so fast. Now
you're speaking of this damn fundraiser for herschel Walker. Get
out of here, bro.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
All he's gonna do is say, woo woo, what.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
What the hell? How does we flirting about politics? I mean,
the guy who's just on the dark side of the
ring a couple weeks ago talking about or they were
talking about him groping a woman on an airplane twenty
years ago.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Nice two week time to bring him out. Two separate
stories that they look bad. What's he doing?

Speaker 6 (55:42):
Like?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Good? Time to bring him out, help you raise some money.
But on this night, Sting eventually makes his way over
to Flair and he jumps in the ring and looks
like he's gonna be on and then he just turned
it right around and trying to punch his thing in
the face. Because it was really never in doubt Flair's

(56:05):
gonna turn on Sting. Flair's out there stomping our referees.
Referees are throwing themselves on top of the Sting to
protect them, which I've never really seen before. Referee throw
themselves on top of a baby face. That didn't matter.
Riclair is gonna stomp them the face of his loafers anyway,
and Oakland College is the most disgusting thing he had
ever seen. Ever the last time anybody would say that

(56:28):
about Ric Flair. It wasn't the first time either, But
uh yeah, Rick Flair turning on Sting yet again, like
we knew it was gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I think I had let's listen to the reaction.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Right away.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
That was a player that was up.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Wasted no time, ain't looking.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I think that man when he sat ever seen s
thing like this. I'm not gonna seen.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Early action like that any word in w W.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
First time, huh, Bobby first time? Yeah, so old gullible
sting Yet again, We'll move on from gullible Sting because
we gotta remember surface thing got crow Sting, got Joker Sting.
Don't don't forget gullible Sting. Can I forget gullible stack.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Calling for the cops? This thing's getting beaten really relaxed.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Look, he didn't want to see this guy get beaten up.

Speaker 6 (57:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
The only thing people I can save him, apparently were
the other baby faces in the locker room or like
Hawk Hogan. You know, you know Sting was saving Hawk
Hogan last year? Where was Hawkholgan at here? Nowhere to
be found? Because he's a piece of trash. So but
the only people that can save him were the cops.

(58:17):
And Tonys knew that he knew Hogan was gonna come
out and save him. So call the police, not one
to one. But we move on to Lex Luger, who
is backstage with Mike Taney g nok, just Mike Tenay uh,
and we get a video package. I don't remember what
Lex Luger said hotly. The promos resonated with me, apparently,

(58:40):
because then we get a video package recapping the feud
between the Giant and Hawk Hogan, and that's the video
package is the thing. And then that leads us to
Eric Bischoff, who is replacing Tony Shavanni for the call
of the monster truck match. He is joined by Bobby
Heenan and Bob Schandler. More about Bob Schandler in a second,

(59:01):
But Tony Shavarni was not here, probably because he was
just too embarrassed to call this. Just like, I ain't
got time for this, Bro. I'm a professional. I want
to I want a job after this, somewhere else, maybe
in the world, and this ain't gonna help me. So
but again, Eric beisher Off, Bobby heinting with Bob Chandler,

(59:22):
I says Chandler. Chandler, I should say, h Bob Chandler
is like the godfather of monster trucks. He owned the
first monster truck, Bigfoot. It was started out as a
nineteen seventy four Ford f one fifty, but by the
point by nineteen seventy nine it was modified so much
that it was regarded as the first ever monster truck

(59:44):
and again Chandler, making Chandler the de facto godfather of
monster trucks. So that's why Bob Chandler is here, you know.
But Bigfoot, which you know it's again Bob Chandler's creation
has been in twenty three countries. It's been in multiple
movies apparently, including Roadhouse and Cannonball Run. This is all

(01:00:06):
according to e Missourian dot com, so I do my
research on that too. Bob Chandler. So in case you
wondered who the hell is Bob Chandler, guy, there you go.
He is the you know again, the godfather of monster trucks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I have a I'll tell you my favorite Bob Chandler
moment in this broadcast a little later on when we
get to it. But all right, it literally made me
laugh like out loud. And I don't know if a
lot of people like caught it when they watched this,
but I caught it, and it's like the funniest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So well before that, it is now time for the
first of two encounters between the Giant and Hulk Hogan.
I'll tell you the rules of this monster truck sumo match.
They're pretty simple, actually, are you do was pushed the

(01:01:01):
other monster truck out of the circle or not. Don't
worry about the flipping thing, like Tony Shevani said earlier.
That's stupid, no flipping, Just push him out of the circle.
It's like a sumo match, okay. Uh Bischoff said in
eighty three weeks that he thought this could be a
net positive because it might help licensing and merchandise sales.

(01:01:25):
But that was not the case. Nobody, That's not what's
going to happen. Uh Bischoff himself, though he tried really
hard on this. He was calling this like this is
a super Bowl, all right. You would have thought this
is the biggest sporting event in the world, but it wasn't.
It was just absurd number one, all right. But it

(01:01:46):
was not only absurd, it was also boring. What the hell?
So go ahead, you can play it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
You were looking at the top of.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Dancing with each other.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
This is boring as whole police and now we have
the world cars ever pops or subow mash Pass pushes
Hogan Hogan first ever again like this was the best
thing ever.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Pass.

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
Hogan bares the pedal to the metal wearing are not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Wearing a helmet?

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I don't have seat belts in that thing, Bob. Oh, yeah,
they have seat belts. They'll be okay in the truck
as long as they don't go off the edge of
the building. There it's the axles actually turn.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Again this I'm pretty sure they have someone of the
passengers seem as well. Pilot situation here they try to hide.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
I'll tell you what this is gotta be like playing
a space shuttle.

Speaker 10 (01:02:45):
It is a stuff because that one guy has to
steer the rear tires and take care of the hydraulicas.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Ring a space shuttle. It's a car still front axle.

Speaker 10 (01:02:53):
Transmission to the uh gass pedal of the break.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
So it's a battle in there.

Speaker 7 (01:02:58):
The thanks COVID taking no monshirt follow away, but he's pushing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
He is listen too.

Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
He is having the time and was like like here
getting Detroit for the last couple of days, and now
you're getting an inside look the monster.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
He's point of view. He is pushing Hogan back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Bischoff has chying so hard, Bro, he is going from
the edge. But again, this sounds exciting where Bischoff is
calling it, but it's super boring.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
And just go back and forest and the monster truckaly
tethered together.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
Right, great job. We always expect Hogan to be slow
and he never lets us down. That's good.

Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
Well COVID keeping the action in the center. Now you
see our raw cam. We have got a helicopter circling them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
We're just going left and right. I gotta tell you
we're left and then right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
But bom, but you can see the flashing lights. Just
beyond that a brick wall. Just beyond that, it's winter
Canada and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Nothing in between it other than a parking lot in
the river.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Well look at this here on you go back. Hogan
is back.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
They get both tires, Oh my god, all the way
out before they wish Yeah, right, only one cent of wheels.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
And just you can hear the roar of these vehicles
if they weren't hooked again.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Oh my god, how fast can one of these trucks go?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
And they drive by one hundred miles an hour?

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Bobby, that's Pogan, now, Puggan, just say hell out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
This is boring as hell.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
It's exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
No, he's not, Bobby.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Center. He may be trying to swing him out of here, Bob, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
What we swing him out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
He didn't mind about the Toronto fiest part of this.

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
And now Holgan going back, you can't and I'll tell
you what it's done in the two truck. It's one
frightening looking machine.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
But what would you expect? Oh my god, I think
Hogan's gonna have the harsh power to card by time
for me. He does a lot of work on this truck,
and uh he should witnes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Is that Bob Chandler is given all the analysis.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Look, that's how.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Age't how can going do actually have a charge?

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
We have a charge it all out?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
What's the point of the charge?

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Random place charges?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And you can't random place charges for what? What's the
point any damnage done?

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
So the truck there's a shot again.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
We have the fire department is up here, we have
they have ambulances.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Do you have ambulances for this?

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
They're safe as long as them go off the side
of the damn thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
If you ever do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
History is being made tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Bishop, you realize that, oh yes, history all right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
They made these two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
She'll never see this again.

Speaker 7 (01:05:45):
Fifteen hundred horse power now Bahol burning monster sumo trucks
doing what has never been done before.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
And I'll never be done again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
There's the reason why I wasn't done before.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
This truck must be heard. A whole lot of this
it is, and a lot lot going on with that
size fire and that much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Wait.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
I think he's gone though, he's gone. He's he's gone,
he's take it out he wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
There's gone, and it's over inside the building.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
That god reacting got it up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
You're catching it at home.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Fans are going round. Yay, they ring the bell for this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
We're gonna have it right up on the roof. Wait
a minute, No, there is no secure We don't have
enough security.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
But you had ambulances though.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
No no, no, no, no, no no no no no, no, no, no,
no no no.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Woa whoa, Oh my god, the giant has got hold.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Oh no the rope, Oh my god, please, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
No, somebody get him for there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I got off there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Hell, they need to shoot like an arrow shot in
the river.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
God, oh my god, it's live house.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Bruh, bruh. Hogan reaches out to try to save the giants,
like he's going to catch him and bring him up.
This five hundred pounds man with this with one with
one hand.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
That's a I said about your dad. I was lying man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Now, But now he gets to go see his dad
and heaven brother there and the big rest of the
ring and the sky. Brother.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
For those of you that miss is what Hogan said
before the best Brother.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
First its machine against machine. I'm gonna push that giant
right out of the circle, brother, and then I'm gonna
take him in the ring and laying next to his
father right here in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Brother, maybe he just wanted to save him for the ring. Wait,
I gotta get my wing. Brother. You can't fall off
the building.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
You got a job, brother, I got here of the
lake drop first, and then you can die. It's just
like I find it hysterical that they shot that body
of water after he fell off, and then it's just
like they didn't say anything. But it's just like, I
guess the giant's out there somewhere. He's swimming. Hope he
could swim right, And it's just like, okay, we'll just

(01:08:48):
move on now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
We don't need the anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Right bischoffice, yellow tig and security up there for west
gianting up there?

Speaker 11 (01:08:58):
No more.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
You did though, and he and it was like what
side of the abilining do he fall off?

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Fall?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Off of Bischoff. You got a parking lot, you gotta river.
What difference does it make what somebody just apparently died.
What difference does it make parking lot or a river?
Dead is dead, the deed is done. That might have

(01:09:30):
been a good idea if it wasn't such an awful idea. Man,
it's kind of funny. Oh my god, this is so trash.
I just never forget giants, big ass falling off and
Holgan reaching for him.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
No, no.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
O, they played this little later, but this is perfect
for this moment. Shoulder replay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
He immediately for help.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Yeah, exactly, like he has the heart now, like he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Cared threw a man off a roof.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
He don't care if he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Did not throw a man off a roof.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
The wildest part about all of this is that it
only gets more absurd. You thought the monster truck sumo
match on top of a building building where a five
undred pound man fell off the top and plunged to
his death was absurd? Oh no, oh no, this is

(01:10:28):
only the beginning. There is more absurdity to come. But
before that, we got a gludge match Lex Luger versus
Macha Man Mandy Savage Tony Shavanni and Bobby heeni could
barely focus on this match, because, after all, they just
saw a man again plunged to his death off the

(01:10:49):
side of a building. That's what we thought we saw,
Danhena said, was w changed the course of professional wrestling? Yeah,
for the worst. It'll never be the same again. You're right,
We'll never do this again.

Speaker 8 (01:11:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Jimmy Hartu, Cogan's best friend, came out at ringside for
some reason and collided with Lex Luger, which caused Lex
Luger to lose to Randy Savage. Bobby Heenan didn't even
make acknowledge the match. He's just the match happened. He's
all right, what's an update? We need an update? We
need something, an update on Giant And then he gets

(01:11:32):
pissed chause no one is giving him an update.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Alright, what I'm gonna Okay? What what we are going to?
Michael Buffer is going to be going to the ring
here in a minute, and.

Speaker 9 (01:11:42):
We don't know, not Buffer, what's going on outside that
have not been told outside?

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Okay, how long does it take to get outside?

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
There?

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
You're going outside? You go outside and see what the
hell's going on? That's what you do, Shamani. You don't
worry about buffer, don't worry about I put your guys
in a truck, do I. After that's it's happened to me,
all like, keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
He then leaves, but he came back like a minute
later because he's like, there's like five hundred people out there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
One doorway, right, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
One door outside. There's like five hundred people there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
But I love it. What he invokes, like the technology
they have of the day is that it's nineteen ninety
five and we have phones and walkie talkies, but we
can't fifty feet away.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
It's nineteen ninety five. We have all the technology we need. Dammit,
what do you mean you can't find out? So and
then he talks about how far him and in Giant's
father goes back, yeah, you know, of course again talking
about Andre the Giant, who he managed at Wrestum three

(01:12:53):
against haulk Hogan. There they showed us a replay of
the Giant falling off the roof, because let's let's watch
a guy for to his death for a second time,
you know, why not?

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
All right, let's watch it again. Okay, but it is
now time scheduled time for the main event. It's supposed
to be time for the main event, which is for
the w W Ward Heavy Championship between Hawlkogan and the Giant,
which probably won't happen because the Giant is dead.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
He did he is dead.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
He fell off a roof and plunged. There's little telling
on what's left of his carcass right now was left
of his body corpse, We don't know what's left of
it either way, regardless, it was worse than that apparently.

(01:13:50):
Either way, though, Michael Buffer is gonna get his money.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Because he's in the rings.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
He is in the ring anyway, to announce all, it
doesn't matter whether giants dead ory. He is suited and
booted and ready to get paid.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Not only that, he's excited as help.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Hey, I came here to do a job. I came
here to get my check. I'm gonna do my job
regardless of the circumstances. And he's talking about Hulk Hogan
all he's the greatest world champion of all time, blah
blah blah. Hulkolkan comes out with his and all black,
looking very stoic because you know, he just witnessed a
guy fall off the roof to his death. So I

(01:14:32):
guess he was just for a funeral. Now maybe he
could say I don't know. But then Hawk Holgan grabs
his mic and Nick, I know you got this clipped off.
I know you got this clipped off, because this is
the most absurd Hawkkan promo probably of all time.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
You know something, Brothers, what just happened out there wasn't
supposed to go down?

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Man giant went down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
All the way down to the parking lot.

Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
Brother, there was a terrible accident out there in the Giant,
as far as I know. Brother, after the accident, when
I saw him last, he.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Said, idly wanted to take the plunge. Brother, that's a
long way down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
The Challenger has a ride with this manager of the
past Master.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
He's writing from the dead her looking you ready?

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Let's get ready to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
This made a super human.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Well no one could survive a buying forty ball off
a rock Cooper.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Nothing has happened here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
The first time in the rig and Breen he is
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
So let's analyze. It's a lot to unpack. Number one, Hogan,
I didn't want the Giant to take the plunge. Brother,
that's a long way down to the parking lot. That's
what you said to someone died what you thought was dead.

(01:16:22):
I apologize. I didn't mean him to take the plunge.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
But he said he wanted to kill him like he
killed his father. He literally said that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Then here's about to talk about how bad a shape
this man was in. But the giant comes walking out
without a nail nutther scratch on his body, not a one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Noose splints, those slings, no scratches.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
A not a nail nutther scratch. Okay, So you mean
to tell me that the giant, who's a giant man,
but he can survive a fall off of a roof.
And you mean to tell me that Hawk Hogan has
a chance in this damn match he's about to do.

(01:17:16):
For one, that man should be dead. So he's a
zombie or he just survived that? What the hell? Even Bobby,
he knows like I don't understand. He was speaking for everybody.
I didn't know what the hell to think. How do
you do this? W W HOWE? How do you do this?

(01:17:37):
How do you have a man fall off the roof
and he just shows up like ten minutes later, not
even like they did this early in the show, in
a couple of hours to recuperate. No, it was like
ten minutes supposedly, right, and here we go. What in
the absolute hell? But we're gonna take a step back

(01:18:02):
for a second because at the end of that clip
you played, you heard on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
The roof, though, don't take a step back on the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
No, no, no, because I don't want to end up
like the Giant. I don't want to. Well, actually, nothing
happened to him, so maybe I'll be okay. But you
heard that. Tony Shavani said, this is the first time
the Giant was in the ring, and that was mostly
accurate because this was only the Giants' second professional wrestling match,

(01:18:31):
according to Cage cage match dot Net. Second his first
match was for the Award Wrestling Association in March nineteen
ninety four. According to Cage Match, he lost the account
out to Frank Finnegan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
You know Frank Finnigan, right, Frank Finnigan, exactly, Frank Finnigan.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
This was the last match listed for Frank Finnigan on
Cage Match, So he's Frank. Well, he didn't die just yet, Okay,
uh he did. Apparently he might have. I found an
old bit of saying a man named Frank Finnigan who
fit the description of a wrestler, died in twenty sixteen,

(01:19:16):
but I can't vouch to say that's the same guy
or not, so not sure, but that was the giants.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
That was for me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
That is a giants on at least according to Cage matches,
one and only professional wrestling match until Halloween, having nineteen
ninety five against Hulk Hogan for the ws W World
Heavyweight Championship after he fell off a building and survived.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
So he was one one and then he fell off
a building and oh two, oh I guess yeah the
monster truck.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Yeah, so he lost that and then then he fell
off a buildings. That's one three.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Well, maybe he just wanted to because not happened to
him when he off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
That's true, that's true, that's true. But that's absurd that
he got put into the spotlight so fast. I mean,
obviously you look at him, it's like, yeah, we're gonna
make him a star, but he didn't know how to
wrestle yet, Like this is the second match, so yeah,

(01:20:24):
it's just it's just crazy that this was his second
pro match. Did not to wrestle, yet didn't know what
to do. Yet again, Hogan would just throw himself into
Giant and make him do stuff because John didn't know
what to do. He had no idea and in the

(01:20:44):
main event of one of the biggest paper views of
the year.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Halloween, according to Bischoff, the w CW's biggest pay per view.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
So yeah, last starcade Halloween, have it. Hogan looks like
he saw because you know he did. He did pretty much.
Since the Giant can survive falling off a roof, beating
Hawk Hogan should be a breeze, right, it should be

(01:21:15):
a breeze, but it wasn't, apparently because Hogan he had
painted his forehead to like Kevin Sullivan. He's embracing his
dark side, I guess made him stronger, and he's punching
the Giant, and the Giant is selling his punches even
though he just fell off a damn roof ten minutes
ago according to this story, but he's still no match
with Hawkemania. That's a whole different force of nature. Bro

(01:21:39):
whole different force of nature. But the Giant he survives that,
just like he survived to fall off the building. Hits
a choke slam, but Hogan quickly kicks out and begins
hulking up, and the crowd goes mild. They didn't get
that crazy for the the hulking up. They actually got

(01:22:01):
really excited when they did get excited when he slammed
the giant, and I guess that's the Hogan laying, you know,
the giant next to his father in heaven. But but
they didn't get excited for him holking up. That was
kind of weird. But here's when, because Jimmy Hart trips
up his main man, Hulk Hogan, or trip up the ref,

(01:22:22):
I should say, as he began counting the pinfall for Hogan.
Of course, it's just like, hey, Hogan, Hogan's like, what
you're doing right? Jimmy Hart pretended to help the ref up,
but then attacked Hogan with the microphone. My god, he
attacked his best friend.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Yeah, Bata, I hate you now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Ain't not my best friend no more?

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Better the bad steaks not my best friend no more.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Then Kevin Sullivan jumps up and he jumps into the
ring and helps the Giant, and then Luther comes out
and Savage comes out, but things quickly goes out south
for Savage as Luga joins a dungeon of doom. My god,
but that's not it. No, you thought that was it?
Hell no, because we still got the yetay, you got

(01:23:19):
the yeta.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
I want to back one little bit. This okay is
one of my most favorite lines. Tony Shiavanni.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
You can throw off the room up, come back the
other man. You can do anything at.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
All, Penny, he'll come back, as Hogan was hulking up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
You can shoot this man. You can slice them in
half with a katana, and he's gonna find a way
to hook up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
You can videotape him secretly and he'll come back.

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
You can put a grenade down down his throat. He'll
come back.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
Uh, Tony, never never a dull moment. And and now
I have the ending.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
You're going to finish off holding here comes loger hand Savage.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
The yet.

Speaker 9 (01:24:21):
Look at the size of that man, yoga, look at
lolder yoga stomach Savage to me, who was the Loder's
corner all up?

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
And the logan is still that's not just that the
giant and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
The giant has Holgan in a bear hug. At this point,
and the hell.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Is going on?

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
And who is on whose side?

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
You are seeing the end of hoo.

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
Okay, there was a good career.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
He had a great run, but it's over head is over.
The hit day is taller than a giant.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Look at the sides of the Yet.

Speaker 9 (01:24:53):
Dad, he's gone, Look at the size of this man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
He's gonna be seven three days blest eight.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Well, you've gotta get an a little Jimmy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
Hawk black slugger. They've all turned their back on the
world champion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
They know they have seen the like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
They've seen the like.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
The referee is down, so this map is still basically
still going on.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
They've not heard a bell hugging is down the tuture right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
To Halloween. Have its in a row where his best
friends stapped it in the back. What's the common denominator?

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Hollywood? Well, now Hollywood. Yet the hull coking had him
in a Hogan sandwich.

Speaker 8 (01:25:46):
Rry.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
He sends that child, what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Let's yeah, what's happened? What the hell happened? We had
a mummy and man dressed as a mummy Lovember his
way to the ring. That man was Ron Reese, who
was only fifty one years old, so that would have
made him about twenty five when this happened. And as
they said, he was just as big as a giant,

(01:26:15):
this big dude. But he lumbers to the ring and
he immediately joins the giant and bear hugging Hogan. It was,
you know, Giant got him from the front, Ron Reese
got him from the back. It's a strange visual.

Speaker 8 (01:26:29):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
It was the same visual I used as my thumbnail
and I did this on inquire dot com. You got
Jimmy Hart jumping up and down in the background. You
got them bear hugging Hukholgan from the front and the back.
And yeah, and the yet tag. His way of bear

(01:26:51):
hugging was like the shake. He was like this little
like little shake that was I guess him like rushing
yet tag shake. Right, that's how he crushes the bone.
Seeing it's little like shiver a thing. I don't know,
Bobby Heen, you would never see a paper view like
this again, you are correct, sir. You mean I won't

(01:27:14):
see a man fall off the roof and survive and
the mummy on the same show. You're right, you are right.
So here's the thing. The giant one somehow by the qualification.
Don't know how that happened, even though you know Jimmy
Hart attacked Hogan, but the Giant won by the squalification.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Here's my theory. Technically he was still in Hogan's corner
when he threw Randy Anderson downs. He's attacked Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Yeah, ye, that must be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
That must be their reasoning or how it makes sense.
That's all that's all I got. No, that makes sense,
that makes sense. So, but usually that means the champion
keeps a title, but apparently that's not what happened here
because Jimmy Hart apparently had the stipulation, that part of
the stipulation waved before the match, and had it been writing,

(01:28:14):
didn't tell Hogan. So if that means if Hogan lost
body s qualification, he also loses the title. And that's
what happened here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
So see the Giant walk away with the belt because
he was a champion, but he only had it for
a week before it got vacated and Mandy Savage won
it back, or won it I should say, at World
War three. But yes, that absurdity was Halloween having nineteen
ninety five Nick, that was a lot, that was so

(01:28:45):
much that was a journey that was so much for
so little, Right, what exactly do we get out of this?

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
By obviously the next year, you know, this was completely
forgotten about, this entire thing. So even by January and February,
you know, this whole thing was just forgotten about. I
don't know, man, this was a bad pay per view

(01:29:15):
when it came to wrestling. There were nine matches on
the pay per view and only four matches went over
ten minutes. So that's five matches under ten minutes, the
majority of matches under ten minutes. W cw will always
prided itself as the wrestling company, but not during this hour.
Once Hogan came, it was not the wrestling company. They

(01:29:38):
got back on track, you know, what's the nWo formed.
Then they started, you know, getting things in order and
caught fire. But at this point wrestling was not their
strong suit at.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
All, not at all. It wouldn't happen for a while
another year or so when he brought in those cruiserweights,
and they're undercard was strengthened. When it got rid of
all Hogan's friends and brought in real talent, you can
really get it done. But at this point mm hmm.
You see stuff like this, and you wonder why people
stop watching wrestling against ninety five between this and whatever

(01:30:12):
the hell is going on WWF at this point. What
a rough year, Bro, because these ideas, which is bad.
They had a mummy. Bro's money chess as a whole mummy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
They brought in national televisions a few months later.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Bro, Bro, that's not like Vince Brusso. Bro. They had
a monster truck match though, hm sumo match. I should
say they paid Michael Buffer untold amounts of monies to

(01:30:49):
announce this trush. They brought in the godfather of monster trucks,
Bob Chandler, yes, to provide his expertise on this subject.
So I went all out for this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
I mentioned earlier my favorite Bob Chandler moment. I did
not clip it, but it's when Bischoff and he didn't.
It was after the giant fell off the building and
they were acting, you know, shocked on commentary, and like
Chandler goes, was that supposed to happen? I honestly think
it was being one hundred percent serious. Was he probably

(01:31:25):
didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
He's like, I know, this is like a show and everything,
but does that suppose to happen? Was supposed to fall off?
The room actually hurt?

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
And the reason why I think it's legit because they
completely gloss over it. Kishoff completely glosses over it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
So like the only person that says it about it
was holding was He's like, that wasn't supposed to happen?
Brother didn't mean but a giant to take the plunge. Brother,
oh Man, A long way down to the parking line,
if you know what I mean. Man. Any final thoughts
when Halloween having nine before we wrap it up here

(01:32:01):
for episode three oh five of the Straight Shooters.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
I'll tell you it's funny. I kind of had that
epiphany of wrestling, like the WCW was the wrestling company
all these years and until Hogan came and everything changed.
But I do and I know there were WW hardcore
fans that kind of turned their back once Hogan came
over because they hated that style. But it kind of
reminded me of today of how people defend WWE, how

(01:32:27):
people defend AW conditionally or unconditionally, because you'll see the
same things happen in each company and then you'll have
like hardcore w fans hate on AW and hardcore AW
fans hate on w W when it's the same type
of thing. So it's really annoying. Wrestling fans are just

(01:32:47):
built that way. I know so many people and we've
said it too, and just enjoy wrestling, like why does
it have to be one side or the other. That's
just how wrestling fans are conditioned. I don't even think
it's by design from the wrestling companies themselves. I just
think they conditioned themselves because I didn't condition my like

(01:33:07):
I conditioned myself.

Speaker 6 (01:33:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
It wasn't that the I was so pro WWF because
they were so much better. I just that was the
first one I watched, and so clearly that's I watched
it for a few years before I started watching ww
So that's where the loyalty comes in. It's not that
I think it's better. Like I said, when WCW was
doing some great things, it pissed me off because I

(01:33:31):
was like, damn it, like why is this so good?
Why can't WWF do something? But we don't see that anymore.
It's just really annoying. It's either you're on WWE or
you're on AW or whatever and just watching this pay
per view, specifically with the four matches that were more
than ten minutes long, and that includes the Luger Mang match,
which was nothing like you know, we had barely any

(01:33:54):
notes on that because literally nothing happened during that match.
You know, the sting and flair for Brian Pellan and
arn Anderson was only meant it means to an end
of the story to reform the Four Horsemen, like they
had to go through all that just to reform the
Four Horsemen. It was just very very uh, not a
great time in WCW history, in this era, and this

(01:34:18):
pay per view is a huge I don't want to
say reason, but it's a huge like where you could
look back at as being like wow, like it was
really bad back then, like probably worse that I thought,
And then when I watched this and just it's like, man,
it was a lot worse than I thought. So this

(01:34:39):
is kind of where I was, And yeah, I did
not care one way or the other. You know, I
didn't rent order this paper view. It was like right
when Nitro was starting, so like I watched Nitro and
I was just like, man, I just don't care about
this stuff. Even with Hogan and Luger and Savage, and
I didn't care about the giant. I just didn't care
about it. So a lot of crap here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Yeah, when you look up Russell crap, this is probably
among the first things that pop up. It's like Halloween
having ninety five a whole show of Wressell crap. Like, honestly,
it was just, oh my god, absurdity, one absurdity after another.
I don't usually say things embarrass the business, like the

(01:35:24):
entire industry of pro wrestling. It might be an embarrassment,
like it might be embarrassing, like all that was embarrassing.
That was embassing for the promotion. Right, ww gives the
entire Queen's Crown Tournament twenty minutes right from beginning to end.
That's embarrassing for WWE. Not necessarily an embassment for par wrestling,
because other progressing promotions could feature their women in a

(01:35:46):
better light. They do feature the women in the better light.
They can do it better than WW. But this particular
show was an embarrassment to the entire industry. Like, honestly,
to it hurt WWF. It was that bad. People Probably
was like I'm not watching either one of these. Nah,
turn that right off. I'm done. With all this, and

(01:36:10):
I wouldn't blame anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
I wouldn't either, And.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
It's a it's almost a miracle that both companies, at
least ws W, they bounced back within the year right
with the nWo. It's like a miracle after people saw this,
right and then WWF eventually found no footing in ninety
seven and ninety eight, ninety nine or whatever, and off

(01:36:34):
they went. But like Man Wrestling, Pro Wrestling is very
fortunate to survived Halloween having ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Five, could you imagine Hall Nash coming over and not
having the nWo angle thought about and what would they do,
Like they were probably just joining the dungeon to doom
or something, and it can you imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
They would have done that?

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
I think Haul and Nash knew that was death. That's
why they they They would have come up with something
that it may may not have been maybe it wouldn't
have been as impact for as a inn w O,
but it would have been something. It would have been
cool because it's what they wanted to do. They want
to do more realistic, more cool stuff. They didn't want
to do the hokey they got. They were done with
that w W. They had to follow that they did

(01:37:22):
plenty of that in WWF and they was like, no,
we're done with that. So no, I don't think they
would have done something like that. They would have done
in the dune.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
So yeah, I fit it in.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Somehow somewhere you got them. But let's time to wrap
it up for episode three oh five.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
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(01:38:04):
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(01:38:31):
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