REWIND: WCW Halloween Havoc '91 Deep Dive

HALLOWEEN HAVOC REWIND!Nick and Vaughn dive deep into WCW Halloween Havoc 1991 and the CHAMBER OF HORRORS MATCH! AND THE HALLOWEEN PHANTOM! AND THE BRAVES/TWINS WORLD SERIES GAME 7 OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now it's time for a Halloween Havoc flashback. You
gotta go back to some past nonsense in the paste.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
With the wrestling fans called the classic pure wrestling from
WCW in the early nineties.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Not in nineteen ninety one, the Chamber of Hors, not
under Jim Hurd. Okay, but are you ready to go back?
Are you ready to go back to nineteen ninety one?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh? Hell yeah, let's do it. No, it's true, though, Okay,
it was just like stupid stuff. Okay, well even I
don't think I would have had it, so I don't
even I think everybody's just been music. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was just like faces popping up on a screen
and with.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like an old ninety nineties Yeah, definitely, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
The faces just popped up. It's like, yeah, they're gonna
be here. They're gonna be here too. There's no voiceover,
just faces and music.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
And I do have a promo later on the show
from uh there're the promo that air for star Kid,
which is so nineties. Oh my god, it's so funny.
I can't wait to play that. So oh yeah, it
already off to a great start.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Star K. By the Way which had three names and
Star K ninety one Lethal Lottery? Oh no, starting ninety
one battle Bowl the Lethal Lottery? Like why does the
subtitle have a subtitle?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
The more words, the better you know.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
The subtitle has a subtitle that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
By the time I got to the last word, I
even I forget what event we're talking about right when.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're talking about the Lethal Lottery or the or the
battle Bowl? This is a bowl game? What college teams
eligible for the battle Ball?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Wait? Wait, wait, it's Starkade?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
What what air Force is gonna play at start? Like,
Michigan State is eligible for Star Kate, I don't how
did that happen?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
They're gonna play in Tennessee?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
What what?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Wherever the stark was?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
And somebody's gonna die? It's a lethal lottery? Is that
something in the Is that an the Lethal Weapons series?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Jeez?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't know. I don't know. But Halloween Havoc took
place on October twenty seventh and nineteen ninety one, and
like I said earlier, we are smack dab smack in
the middle of the Jim Herd era of WCW. And
you know what that means? That means a lot, a
whole lot of terrible ideas are just floating around WCW,

(02:44):
and we're gonna talk all about it because there's so
many horrible ideas, just awful ideas like that. We talk
about WW and miss McMahon and his creative decision is
for the last I don't know, fifteen years or so.
But he ain't got nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
On Jim hurd list. Okay, this event had a great tagline,
an evening of terrifying destruction.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Man, there are some moments that could have destroyed wrestling. Boy.
It's just it's just we can we can convinced that
much credit. He wasn't as bad as Jim heard when
it came to creative because he didn't come up with
the creatures or the Patriots. The fire was a fire

(03:33):
starter Skip. What's his name? What was his name? What
are we doing here? Fire breaker? My bad? Fire breaker Chip?
Fire breaker Chip, not fire the starter? Skip? I think
I said fire starter, Skip, No fire breaker Chip? Somehow
is that is that better? I don't know if that's

(03:54):
better or not. Of creatures, that was the Patriots, that
was the Patie. What I'm talking about? The Patriots. One
of those guys my name was fire Breaker Chip. That's
that's absurd. That's what I'm saying, the wrong thing, all right,
let me scroll. It's just no that it is really bad, Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Top Champions a.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Lot of bad ideas. We got a stage that has
tombstones that has words on it, like actual sentences.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
On it, including one.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
That said like here lies Mike, he lost it on
the bike or something like that, like weird stuff happening
with these tombstones.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Wait, I'm sorry. I wasn't even paying a touch to that,
but oh my god, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
So part of the show I watched. I also watched
it with my wife. She somehow was watching this, not
really like she just so happened to be in the room.
Kind of she's doing her own thing, right, but she
didn't notice. It's like, there's stuff on the tombstones. I
wasn't even looking at it, and I was like, let's
pause and look at one, and then I forgot what
it was. So but I think that's what it is though,
something like Mike lost it on the bike.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Oh man, it doesn't anymore, not anyone. Wait, I got
that bick in his arena. It's just absurdity happening here. Also,
this show is three hours. This show should not have
been three hours. There's no way this show should have
been three hours. Two fifteen maybe not three. There's no

(05:32):
way this show should have been three hours. You gotta
be you gotta be kidding me with three hours of
this show. But this show took.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Place at the UTC Arena as it was known back
then in nineteen ninety one. It is now known as
the Mackenzie Arena, and it emanates, and it sits in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
It is the primary home of the University of Tennessee
at Chattanooga's basketball team. Okay, but the show. The building
has also hosted other wrestling shows, the.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Rest of the pay per view. Yes, I was just
thinking about this.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Because it also hosted Clash of the Champions four, which
was the first und w CW, the first Class of
the Champions on the WCW. Then it later hosted in
Your House thirteen.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Fin right, Yes, no, how I remember that?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
How do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Ship Ross kept saying the damn name Chattanooga throwing the
pay per view? How can you forget Chattanooga when you
hear it? Just don't.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I guess not.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, he just kept saying it thing the course of
the night. I was like, I get it there, Tennessee.
I never anybody ever says Chattanooga.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I know it's in Tennessee, home of the Moccasins, man
the mox.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know who's one of the foremost famous mocks of
all time?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
His name is Tara Owens.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Ah. I didn't know not, but that's cool.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Who are you thinking about?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I was just saying, yeah, so, oh, okay man, I
was gonna make up somebody like Donald Trump or something.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Donald Trump, Jesus, he's a quote unquote Wharton grad. Don't
worry about him. But so so they say, uh, but
Tara Owns, Yes, he went to U t UT Chattanooga.
That's not easy to say. It's hard for me to say,
at least to say up to see No do that.

(07:28):
That sounds weird. But yes, Tarr Owns attended ut chatt
Uga and he.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Was that one hosted. He went there instead of the
NFL Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I was about to get to that. He hosted his
Hall of Fame induction speech in this building in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
So you gotta being mad about that. Because Dnton Dawkins
get inducted into the same Hall of Fame as you're remember,
I want to say him together.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, that would have been cool. But so the reason
why Too didn't do it at the Encanton for the
Hall of Fame in Dutch ceremony with everybody else is
because they made Too wait to get into the Hall
of Fame. Okay, Look, and honestly, I don't blame him.
Look here, Too first battled the Hall of Famer for
his stats. All right, there's no question you can't look

(08:20):
at his numbers even to this day after like I
think ten years after he's retired, he's still top ten
all timer, receptions in top five all time and receiving
yards and receiving touchdowns. Still, Okay, I'm gonna assume he
was hired before, you know, when he retired, because Larry

(08:40):
Fitzgerald has climbed to the ranks a lot in the
last decade or so. Okay, so maybe he knocked him
down a NACHA two or something like that. So stats wise,
all timer. However, sports writers for whatever reason, and I'm
I guess technically a sports writer or a journalist, whatever
you wanna call it, I'm into media. Again, but I
still say this for some reason, they hold grudges when

(09:02):
it comes like Hall of Fame voting or MVP votes
or All Star games and stuff like that, stuff that
honestly you might think, Oh, that don't mean nothing, it's
just the All Star game. No, no, no, no, this
affects people's Hall of Fame resumes. Okay, when they say, oh,
he only made three All Star Games, he ain't a
Hall of Famer, like he probably could have made six

(09:23):
if y'all voted him in, though he was nice enough
for six or seven. Right, But now they hold a
grudge against TYO because he was at quote unquote bad
teammates and that's why he wasn't the first ballot Hall
of Famer, even though he should have been the first
battle of Hall of Famer. Not only did he not
get on the first time he was on the ballot,

(09:44):
he didn't get in when he's on the second time
on the ballot. This was his third year of eligibility
that he finally got into Pro Football Hall of Fame.
That's absurd. This is to this is tarr owns. Okay,
So yeah, again, I don't really blame him for doing it. Meanwhile,

(10:04):
you got guys like Brett Favre, who was voted right
in the Hall of Fame right away, despite before this
Mississippi welfare scandal, we knew already that he sent photos
of his junk to a journalist, to a female journalist.
That's far worse than alienating a couple of your teammates
and doing sit ups in the driveway. So they but

(10:27):
they put Brent's ass right on in there. He's a
good old boy. He loves playing the game. Get him
in and Tyo, I mean, he kind of has always
done his own thing. That's that's t yo. If anybody's
gonna do this, this is gonna be Oh my god,
I'm watching. Oh no, I'm watching. I have something on
my television. And SMU scored a touchdown and they run

(10:49):
a live donkey or horse on the field, and that
horse pooped all over the field and then they had
to bring somebody out with cups to pick this poop up.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Off the field. I think I saw a clip of that.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's crazy. Uh, that's a disturbing image. I apologize to
our listeners, but I could not say something about that
distracted me while I was talking.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
But literally, I was just about to say. Uh, t
O literally showed up every game and showed out like
right now, what it's about the good old boy's eyes.
You know, the.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
ProFootball Hall of Fame is not the pro football Hall
of great personalities. It's the Hall of Fame of great
the best players. There's a lot of bad dudes in
the Hall of Fame. Too is probably not even one
of them bad dudes. He just he's just he just
rubbed some people the wrong way. Like like, it's worse
as far worst people in the Hall of Fame right

(11:43):
now than Tara Owns. Uh Like, Like you said, I
would have liked to have seen t O and Dawkins
be there together, both as former Eagles. You know, t
only played only played like a season and a half.
I was there. I was there in candas se Dawkins
get inducted because I was working for the Eagles at
that point. So it would have been we probably have
got some form of content from too. I would have
liked to have met too, you know. So I got

(12:04):
to meet Dawkins, but I would have liked to have
met Tyo as well. Let's tyr own this bro, like, right,
how would you not want to meet him. You know,
so that would have been cool. But oh well, but
that's your that's your background on the Mackenzie Arena. You're
welcome everyone.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
On this night, they were eighty nine hundred people in
the building according to good Whole Wikipedia, eighty nine hundred
on the news, Like Nick said, somehow they did it.
I don't know. It's like, did they stop people from
coming in? Like no, no, no, no, we can't have eighty nine
on one, No no, no, no, no, no, you gotta get out.
We're sold out. We had capacity. It's like, whoa, bro,

(12:44):
I got a ticket? Like, you're not at capacity. I'm
not in the building.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Nope. Mm hm, cause I let you in. We're gonna
have to kick somebody else out.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Right, We're staying here, all right. As I put my
notes to the show starts off with a terrible video package.
It was terrible, bro. It's something that wouldn't have been
really allowed to be seen in the eighties of horror
B movie Like Kevin Nash's face in particular. I would

(13:17):
put this in my notes. He just did this like
screaming face with these bug eyes, big eyes. He's not
even Kevin Nash in the show he's Oz. Okay, he's OZ.
All right again. This is nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
One original Chamber Horrors. Apparently, according to the poster, the
original POSTERZ was gonna be in the Chamber Horrors, but
he was not.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
He was not, probably for the better, I guess. I
don't know who knows. I guess I could have. I mean,
maybe not worse than losing to uh, what's this guy's
name again, Bill Kasmyer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jesu Bill Kazmyer.
So this man in the world right according to the
record books, he's one of these strongest people that's ever lived.

(14:04):
We'll talk about him later. But Jim Ross and Tony
Shavani welcome us to the show. While fireworks are going off,
and they talked about the World TV the world title,
I should say, not the World TV title, the world
title that was going to be the main event of
the show because it was going to be for the
first time ever, two out of three falls for their
world title in WSW. That's the first time in WSW

(14:25):
history that ever happened in the main event. However, we
have a cage match on the show that has eight
people in it where somebody's going to get ELEGI cutd
But this is the main event, all right, world titles
the main event. Then they talk about the WSW Halloween Phantom. Yeah,

(14:46):
uh huh. This is how they introduced Rick Rude. Everybody,
I'm just gonna say it now, this was the idea
the w CW Phantom, which had everybody buzzing. Everybody, do
you know? Do you know the Phantom? I mean, do
you know? You gotta miss Hide, you gotta tell me,

(15:08):
and nobody would tell her.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
This is unfair.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Okay, real bad stuff here, real bad stuff here. Okay,
but oh my god, we start off the show.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Brock lesn't Bobby Lashley are brawling right now?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I'm row Oh, I mean, let me get it on
wrong right now? Since she said something, This.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Is like Bobby Lashley was in the ring and then
Brock came out and now they're just fighting.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
This is, I mean what you want, This is great,
This is what you want to see them, just them
through the barricade. Oh, you gotta do the spirit to
get a barricade.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Actually spared Brock. Now, now the officials come out after
the big spot.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Look, they was deciding on whether they was gonna get
dass whooped too out there. Let them do something terrible
to each other and then we'll walk there.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It has kept back there ever worked as a referee
of pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Not that I can think of.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Get back there? What are you doing? Don't do that
like pointing at everything and yelling at chat Gable out here?
What the hell is he doing sholling Benjamin and street clothes.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Out there to get beat up?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
You know this centric Alexander Ali.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Out there to get beat up.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, this is okay. And another word, speedar through the table. Well,
it was supposed to be through. It was supposed to
be to the table. The table did not give away,
and then they started humping to get off the table.
I mean, hell, health would you describe that?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't know. I'm not watching it. I'm trying television.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Start all. We were just literally talking about stuff. This
Now they would do this every once in a while,
like kind of a hot start, but they and sustain it.
Interph just had like hot starts a lot since he
took over a straw and SmackDown.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Which is good instead of doing, Oh somebody's walking through
the ring, gonna talk for ten minutes, which we.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Don't mind that, but it's good. Do it every yeah,
exactly every single week, back to back to back to back.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
A right, so.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Put up. Adam Pierce's pointing Bobby Lashley to go back there.
Now he's now, he's going now Pierce did it?

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Okay? Well, back to w W nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
We're outside in the parking lot with Eric Fisher right
looking for the WSW phantom in the daytime. We he's
out there and we stumble upon Barry Wyndham in dustin roots.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Oh okay, they.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Pulling up in their wheel. A whole bunch of people
pulled up by the way, but they're the first, right,
they're talking, they're hanging out. Then all of a sudden,
cactus jacking Hi, du little butcher pull up? Wait a minute,
Wait a minute, didn't I get this out of order?
I have this out of order in my notes here,
and I'm confusing myself.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
So they announced Berry window was hurt. I would have
to miss the Chamber of Horror Horrors match, but they
didn't show the footage yet. So when Eric Pischoff was
shot off camera in the parking lot, that's when catas
shacking up the A Little butcher first arrived, right.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Butcher, Butcher in like a shirt and tie by the way, okay,
and it's a gard in his mouth all right. He's
thinking that bishop was talking about the fantom again DDP
and the Diamond stud Scott Hall pulled up. Everybody's just
pulling up at the same time. Okay. Then another car
pull up and that's when Wyndham and Dustin Rhodes, Ruston

(18:49):
Rhodes pulls up. Then out of nowhere, somehow Arn Anderson
and Larry's obisco slammed that car door. Nobody Harry Windom's arm.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Nobody saw them coming. Somehow nobody.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
How the hell did no one see them in this
open parking lot in broad daylight. Where were they hiding
behind the cameraman? They just got skinning room fast, come
on now. But they slammed the car a car door
into Barry Wyndham's arm, and Barry wyndhams says immediately it's broken.
And now Dustin Rhodes has to drive this man to

(19:25):
the hospital. And he's out of the Chamber of Horrors.
But guess what's next. It's time of the opening match
the Chamber of Hers. It's the first match of the show.
I can't get the off the thing. I've ever seen
a show where that I can recall, maybe it's happened
where a cage match went first. I mean, I guess

(19:47):
I think hell in the Cell. Maybe the first Hell
in the Cell had opened with the hell in the Cell,
and I think hell in the Cell's open now with
a hell in a Cell match. I could be wrong,
but back in ninety one that never happened. It happens
now mainly because, like I said, if this's helling the Cell,
WW has two helling cell matches on the show. They've

(20:08):
kicked one off with the kicked the show off with
one in ninety one. That was not that that was
not the wave whatsoever. So that's we're already off to
a wild start by nineteen ninety one standards here on
Halloween havoc in nineteen ninety one, Okay, because I thought
for years I thought this was the main event of
the show. I guess I've never watched this show all

(20:30):
the way through. I thought so too, like how can
you eletrocute somebody? And that's the.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Opener the show bus go on. Damn pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
That's crazy, man, that's wild stuff. Yeah, but hey, man.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Pretty sure this was the same cage that Hkin and
Piper used in ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'll take your word on that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It just looked so flimsy and key flimsy and fleaky. Okay,
gass big gass squares.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
You know what else is weird or more absurd and weird.
They're weird to the rules of this match.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Which you know, see if you can keep up with
this out there.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Tactus Jack, he may be mashed under there. Well, he
just didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Get out lowering and could almost kill Cactus Jack.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
May small cage, that's it contains the chair of torture,
as it's being called, the up member of a team
in there, and when the lever is pulled, which is
mounted on the side of the big cage at that time,
something's gonna get a rather shocking experience in this.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Match will then in.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
So they have to get a member of the opposing
team into the chair pulled the quote unquote fatal lever,
which means fatal means death is not near the switch. Yes,
my fault, Cactus Jack is near the fatal lever. So

(22:23):
you win the match by electrocuting someone and potentially killing them,
and I love how everyone was just like okay with it.
They're just cool, like, yep, that's what's gonna happen. Somebody
gonna electrocute it. Okay, did you have the ring announces
explanation of the rules, because to me that was even funnier.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I might not have because because I thought Jim Ross's
thing was funnier, but I did not.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Gary Michael compettit says the Chamber of Hers that he
quit with several instruments of torture. Several instruments of torture.
What is it? Out loud to eighty nine hundred exactly
eighty nine hundred people and in the in the arena

(23:10):
that night. That's a sentence he said on that microphone
in front of children, several instruments of torture. Like I
put the inphasis on the end. Wrestling. Pro wrestling is
a crazy business. Man is a is a wild business.
It's crazy times. Here also Bobby Lashley beat the hell

(23:32):
out of Productism. That was fantastic. Yeah yeah, But here
we are Chamber of Cars, sting L Degonte and the
Steiner Brothers teaming up to go against Abdulah the Butcher,
Diamond stud Big Van Vader and Cactus Jack. Everyone got

(23:52):
their own entrance, but it was all to the same,
like intense by nineteen ninety one standards music except Sting,
who got to come out to his own music and
the fans went crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
What the hell's he doing in this match?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't know because Sting. Let's talk about this for
a second. Sting really was the franchise before ws W,
before Holgan got there, case in point, by the how
the entrances are laid out in this match. He got
his own entrance, right, and then he became the guy
again after Hogan got there in ninety seven. They screwed

(24:30):
that all up, but it was only right that he
was the guy to kind of rescue w's W, albeit
temporarily from the nWo.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah so, and the storyline made sense with like no
one trusted him and he's like, what the hell, guys,
and then he went to his dark character like that
was suck looking back, like great storytelling and just mess
it all up. Because the hault Cogan everyone will, well
not everyone, but Eric doesn't want to say it's Hogan's fault,
but it is. Who else would it be? Nickpatrick ain't

(25:07):
gonna make that decision on his own, Like, seriously, Nickpatrick,
he's some ww referee. Stupid first name, first and last
names that are first names, every single one of them.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
It's all right, man, it's okay, all right, it's all
right at this time. Back this thing for a second.
He was the United States Champion. Uh. And the side
note that belt is wonderful. I love the United States title,
the w CW United States title. I don't mind the
new one, the current one, I should say, but that

(25:41):
w CW one is fire just putting out there. Uh,
obviously this is gonna be a car wreck. People are
fighting everywhere. They're outside of the cage. Someone immediately grabs
a chainsaw. As soon as the match starts, they go
immediately to the chainsaw, Like what, that's the first thing
somebody grabbed. Weapons are flying everywhere. Then I noticed the

(26:02):
referee had a camera on its head and it was
referred to as do you refere I camera? It was
I got it, but JR. I said, this was the
first time that type of camera had ever been used
in wrestling, and so what the camera really was was
a hockey helmet that the referee was wearing with a

(26:25):
camera inside of it. So by nineteen ninety one standards,
this was the height of technology. Okay, hockey helmet on
the guy.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's like a Steve Burkle I mentioned it works smoking
and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
It worked at least on this night. I guess it didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I don't know if he kept it didn't, but I
guess it held up well all things considered. But anytime
the referee would move, it would go like the picture
would go better than no. It's like, dude, just stay still, man,
you don't have to move.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Referee a match again. Nineteen only one technology prevented that
from really turning out, Howard, you know how they wanted
it to turn out, but they gave it a shot.
I guess you got that. That's one good idea that
Jim Hurd tried, and he works somewhat. He had a
lot of other bad ones, though you'll see them all

(27:21):
well in this match. Actually, how about this match?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, exactly, Okay, the next twelve and a half minutes.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Five minutes into this match, though, the chair just gets
dropped down like there's never any explanation as to why
or win the chair. No, it's just it's just like,
here's a chair. Okay, this electric chair too.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Someone as quick as he can. What is what.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Is going on here?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Then there's some sort of like scary music playing while
the match is happening and the chair is coming down.
The rick steineg is put in the chair by Vade,
and Derek references the letter the lever, I should say,
which may have already been down by this point, may
have already been folded, uh switched down by accident. Uh

(28:12):
stayin got his hands on our coffin top like the
top of a coffin and threw it on cactus Jack.
That's happening. Then orderly the ghules come out carrying a stretcher.
Like what it's like, Wait a second, where they come
from and they're carrying a stretcher of some sort. I
guess they're gonna carry out the person gets electrocuted, But like,
where did they?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Who?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
What?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Who are these people? Tony explained it perfectly.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
What are these the gules? They're coming down here with
a stretcher.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
I guess they are going to wait until someone gets
put in the.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Chaff torture and the lever gets thrown.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Only in Halloween, Jim, and it's that.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Time of the year, so yeah, I what what? I'm
not sure if Tony Shivanni's explanation helped me. There no
the where they come from? How do they know they
were ghouls?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Exactly what?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
How do they know what their purpose was? I just.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
What are these the ghules? This was?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
This was not explained in the rules where they talked
about several instrumental torture, they didn't talk about ghules would
come out to like they didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
To carry the whip body away.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
The dead bodies should be dead. Cactus Jack is bleeding,
he goes flying into the cage by staying it was
really just an ordinary like Irish whip, but like Cactus
Jack took it to the next level and just went
flying since its body flying. Okay, Then they shot the lever.

(29:47):
The problem was the lever was already down in the
position it was supposed to be in when somebody's getting electrocuted.
Instead is down, and not only is it down, Linger
on this shot for like five seconds to get a
real clear picture and zoomed in so you can see

(30:08):
this lever is already down, like real close up. Cactus
Jack though man consummate professional. The guy goes up there,
puts it back up, so at least it's in the
right positions.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Also saving energy.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
He's eco friendly, all right, but at least it's in
the right position so you can do the big switch
at the end of the match. So fortunately Mick Foley
was there to save the day, or at least try
to save salvage what this was. There's no saving this.

(30:52):
I appreciate his attempt, right, he tried. However, when he's
up there and he puts it back up and he's
kind of playing to the out. While that's happening, Abdullah
has rick Steiner in the chair. Cactus Jack takes too long.
Rick Steiner fights his way out of the chair, puts
Abdullah in.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
The chair via belly to belly, via the belly to
belly to belly is super.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Chair, which is wild to think about in such a
tight space. He did that, but Mick four, even though
rick Steiner had all this time to strap him in
and put the head piece on and everything, Cactus has
no idea Abdulla's in the chair. He just never turned around.

(31:38):
Then he pulls down the lever and electric cuts his
own friend to lose the match. Cactas Jack is up
near the switch there, Yes, they're ready. They're gonna put
steer ben bangs.

Speaker 7 (31:52):
He's got a bellow in there. What strength by Rick Steiner.
He's trying to hook a doll out. Look, try out
here going crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Twenty seconds later, crazy Stegner's in there. But it's half Dula.
Oh no, he's getting pried.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
This Jack thought it was Rick Steiner, but Afdula.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
Cluck gosh, he's experiencing getting He's gonna cook, Jim, and
I think it's well done.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Guys, He's going to cook. And I think he's well done.
Mind you, that's a human being. He's talking about, not
her pig roasting over an open flame. He's talking about
that Dula the butcher, like a person I'm thinking going

(32:53):
to cook.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
He's gonna cook.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
He's gonna cook. He's going on a cook.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You need to clip that separately from like like a
Twitter game or something making a meme somehow. He when
somebody's gotten ratioed on Twitter or something like, said he's
getting cooked.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah really, because that's classic. That's a classic wild wild line. Again,
they are electrocuting this guy in front of thousands of people,
and we're supposed to be happy about it. Because the
good guys won the match. Jr. Said he's never seen

(33:33):
anything like this in his life.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Of course, something like that.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I can only imagine what seventy year old Gien Ross
would have been saying. If he called this match at
his age today, he would have just trashed this match.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean, the funny thing. I don't even think the
quote unquote head thing was on of the butcher. It's
just it was so bad.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
It was so bad. The lever was also down most
of the match. Bro, Like the head piece is like,
for one, this match happened. That's already a mistake. That's
the first mistake right then and there, the match happened.
Uh So after the match, Abdullah I guess is dead,

(34:15):
he says in the ring, limp not moving. Cactus is
like on the ViRGE of tears. Okay, the good guys go, yay,
we killed the guy, and they leave, right, and then
Abdullah wakes up. He's not dead fortunately, Okay, but then
he starts beating up all the ghoules and orderlys whatever

(34:36):
you want to call him. So it's beating all of
them up, and Cactus gets a couple of licks into
and he's bleeding and walking away they're both bleeding, walking
away and looking crazy. This is the opening match. We've
had like three guys bleeding, a chainsaw, a coffin, and
somebody got electrocuted. Bro and match one of Halloween Havoc one.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
This the announcers are just incredible.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
What a wild event this was. Jack this Jack a
little frantic with has opened his eyes.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Oh he knocks him down.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
Abdulla's a little well the obvious day is.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
A little deranged. My gosh, he's kicking anything that's around.
And now that the men that brought down the stretcher,
every one of them getting beat up.

Speaker 8 (35:37):
But I guess for the size, he thought he was
in heaven and he knew he shouldn't be there, and
he's at everything that moves.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
You're right, all right, dude, you shouldn't have been He
should be there.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
The team i've sting had a guy Tan, the Steiner
brothers have won.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Fucking he even got us fir there.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Oh what a there's the results right there, the Chamber
of Horsage matchup.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's what happens.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
He's not That's what happens. That's what happens. Man, Chamber
of Ours. People getting eletecuted every day be in the
Chamber of Cars. This is how it is. Chattanooga knew
what was up. So yeah, the Chamber of Horrors, that somewhere,

(36:27):
a wild ride.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
That was something ride that was twelve minutes and thirty
seven seconds.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
With eight guys. I barely noticed anybody in that match.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Did it feel longer to you a little bit?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
It felt really short. It just like people were just
fighting and weapons and then like it was.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Over where there are grutches. I don't even remember like
a backstory between, like between any one night. I just
looked apparently, you know, Vader was a less minute replacement.
He was not a wh W like employee until this,
you know, he got it offer or whatever. This is
like his first appearance back in the company. And then

(37:07):
Scott Stiger's first appearance back after like an jury layoff.
So yeah, there was like no stories at all.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, I couldn't tell you. I cannot tell you.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I mean, Tony and j R. Are so good that
they would have probably filled at the gaps, but I
didn't hear anything. So it was a Halloween.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Match, just a Halloween electrocution match that we had to
have at Halloween Havoc in the opener too, you know
what I'm saying. But yeah, this was bizarre and it
was only the opening match. There is more. We move
on ye backstage with Eric Bischoff. He's stressed as a vampire.

(37:51):
He's with Missy Hyatt. He's stressed as a nineteen twenties
flapper girl, show girl. I guess something like that. Uh.
Bischoff's still inquiring about the w's w Phantom Income Steve
Armstrong and Tracy Smothers, collectively known as the Young Pistols.
They have also been known as Southern Boys Once upon
a time. Armstrong, of course, is a member of the

(38:14):
famous Armstrong family that includes road dog Brian Armstrong, Scott Armstrong.
He's a referee, at least he was in WW I believe.
I don't know if he's still there now, Brad Armstrong,
who unfortunately passed away in twenty twelve, and of course
the patriarch Bullet Bob Armstrong. So the Young Pistols, what
about those guys? They didn't have a match on the show.

(38:37):
They got a promo, they didn't have a match. I
was like, what did the Young Pistols wrestle? Oh they don't, Okay,
they got a promo though, we move on though. We
got the young Pistols, the Southern boys. Who cares about
those guys? We got the Creatures going against Big Josh

(38:58):
and PN news. Lock it up up. Can you imagine,
like if Twitter was around and there was the w
CW like Marx, the diehards who would have been trying
to defend the Creatures versus Big Josh and PN News.
Could you imagine somebody trying to play do the mentum

(39:18):
gymnastics to convince you that this was a match you
should have watched in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yes, wild, I wish I could imagine it.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Somebody out there. I really loved this stuff. Somebody they
were looking forward to the Creatures, Creature one and Creature
Too going against Big Josh and p and News. Okay,
so you're probably wondering, who the hell are the Creatures? Okay.

(39:54):
According to Pro Wrestling Wiki, they comprised of Joey ma
and Johnny Rich. Okay, probably wonder who are those guys?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Joey Max sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Oh, this was their first tag team match together as
the Creatures. Well go ahead.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Joey Maggs was one of the three guys that the
Giant beat on Nitro. Uh in ninety seven, the August
Nitro we just did a deep dive on. He was
one of those three guys the Giant beat in the
handicap match that August fourth, nineteen ninety seven three hour
Nitro when Lugar won the title.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
That one hundredth episode or ninth episode.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Was Joey Baggs was one of them.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
How about that was.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Also the ring celebrating with Luger when he got well
won the title.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Well, he's also wrestled.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
This night, how about that?

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, the US tag team champion. He also wrestled Steve
Awston for the World TV title in June under his
normal name at I Should the Champions fifteen apparently. But
for the most part, as you mentioned about his role
at Nitro in ninety seven, he wasn't enhancement talent. Yeah,
that's what he mostly was. Because here's the thing about

(41:13):
Jim Hurd's roster in nineteen ninety one. You want to
find a group of guys who were just journyman wrestlers
in the industry, come look at this show, okay, because
there's so many guys on this show who just never
got to prominent positions pro wrestling outside of like this time,
like guys who were a whole bunch of independent promotions

(41:36):
or whatever. They bounced around to this journeyman guys who
never had like a real run anywhere outside of like this. Right,
that's Jim Hurd's W'SW back in nineteen ninety one. Just
a roster full of journeyman guys and Sting and some
other big names, right. But unfortunately, Join Maggs he passed

(41:58):
away in two thousand and six at the age of
thirty seven. That's a sham piece the rest, some piece
of Joey Max. But Johnny Rich he looked much older
than Joey Max, at least from what I can tell,
because he apparently debuted in nineteen seventy six, so he
already had fifteen years experience before this match. Couldn't find

(42:19):
much on him, but I assumed that he was the
one with the harry chest in this match, because he
just looked kind of older and the other one was
clean shaven as he was younger. I don't know, but
that's what I got with the creatures. Okay, but then
you got PN news Man and he's out here rapping

(42:40):
no bars, but he's rapping.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, Oh, he's rapping. It's time to world up.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
It's trapping ninety one. We'll take care of business and half.

Speaker 9 (42:53):
Some fun with his party's over here. The pat lady saying,
practice that thing, y'all, baby, y'all, y'all.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Oh my god, I all right, so we gotta break
this down, peace, pot piece bro that song? That beat?
Who made that beat? Who did Jimmy Hart make that beat?
Was that his version of a rap song in nineteen
ninety one? Just dun dun dun, dun, dun, dun dun

(43:34):
dun dun. What the hell is that? Okay?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I was popping my head two.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Bars with trash? Did the did the they had a
contestant winner? Did this person write the rhymes for PN news?

Speaker 10 (43:48):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
What's the contest?

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh? My baby?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
The Christine Volver who won the ws W magazine rap contests.
I think that's what happens. I think they she wrote
the rap that he said, sorry, miss Volver, that was garbage.
I hope you're well and doing all right. I hope
you and yours are okay, But that that was rough? Okay?

(44:15):
Was p and news the first rap gimmick in wrestling.
I thought it was Oscar, but not even think. I
don't even think about P and news. This is ninety one.
This is still before Like we're talking about the time
where I don't think the Grammys was airing the Rap
or Hip Hop Award on television yet, Like it wasn't
like I don't know if it was accepted by white

(44:37):
America just yet. Right, even though I guess it had
been accepted on some level, people didn't understand it one bit.
I think we're still in like where they think, like, oh,
it's just a fad and people like it, but they
probably won't at some point like do what the kids
do type of thing, not that they'll have long standing power.

(44:57):
And it's a culture, not just some fad that you
just mess with and try to cash in on. Right,
So being in news, is he the first? Like do
you remember a rap gimmick before P a news?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Uh? Did a keen rap?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I don't think so. I think he was just supposed
to be African, though he might.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Because that was that was like I just caught the
tail end of that run like as I was watching.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Uh, yeah, I don't remember him rapping.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I didn't actually watch the Twin Towers together. Like I
started watching when they split and bought Big Bossman became
a good guy and A Kam became a came the
African Dream.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
So the African Dream.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, that was that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
They did that in the eighties.

Speaker 11 (45:47):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
But I guess, yeah, I guess he didn't do the
rap thing, just danced right. It's just what she saw
all that dance, like, I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I will say again, p and News. He you might
know p and News mostly for the fact that he
was in the match that was voted the worst match
in The Wrestling Observer in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Okay, this was the worst match.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
This match, not this match, but this again, the match
that you know, I said, the award is probably why
you remember pon News so much to this day. You
know who else is in this match? By the way,
I think we might have I don't know if you
talked about it on The Straight Shooters. It happened at
the Great American Bash. It was a scaffold match. You

(46:55):
know who else is in this match?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Probably somebody really famous.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
All Hall of famers Okay, the rock Beautiful Bobby eating Oh,
Terry Taylor and Steve Austin.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Wait, so it was a tag team match.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I think I guess it was eating in PN News
versus Terry Taylor or Terrence Taylor, Steve Austin. I guess
that's my assumption.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Scaffold match.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
In the scaffold match, Bro, they tried to get PN
News in a scaffold match. They made that man had
to climb up the scaffold.

Speaker 11 (47:36):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I haven't seen the match. I don't know if he
actually climbed up, but BROJN heard w's w Man.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Just think Bobby Eaton's body frame, Steve Wawson's body frame,
Terry Taylor's body frame.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Everybody's body frame in the late nineties, early nineties, Right,
everybody's probably too big for the scaffold match. But yeah,
that's what we are. That's what we got with PN News.
That's probably where you know him the most. Okay, I
will say, though, uh, I kind of see why he
was given a chance to kind of like run a

(48:14):
little bit. He kind of he was a big athletic guy,
and he asked him charisma. It clearly didn't work out,
but I understand what they may have saw in him
again did not work. They were wrong.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Also, those crowds in Southern.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
American Maybe I don't know, but they seemed to like
him kind of on this night, yo, baby, yo baby yo,
like me. They were rocking with that. But yeah, I
don't know if you put him in uh anywhere in
the country, it would have worked.

Speaker 11 (48:55):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Like, It's just not just the South, Like it just
was bad all around. I'm not seeing here saying, man,
I don't know what those people are thinking down in
the South. Man, Pan News is dope. I'm like, no,
this is bad, bro, this is bad. They they had
reason to dislike it. Also, do you see south of
Ronalds's shoes the zebra with the heel, yea with everything red.

(49:19):
Everything else though, including as like lace like ruffle shirt
not lace, ruffles in his suit. It's so bright, I
can't even tell what Yeah, and the suit's so I
can't even tell what uh material it is? That Swede
it's just bright. Is that velvet? I don't I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Us Chap, that's true.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
P and News. By the way, I think he's still working.
I think he's still working in Europe. This is what
I saw online. But like about that huh wrestling, Yeah, yeah,
Big Josh though he was, of course Matt Osborne, who
eventually become the original during the clown.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Okay, right, Josh.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Wasn't big, Josh wasn't great, but Donk the Clown was dope,
especially the original, the matt Osborne version. Unfortunately, Matt Osborne
passed away in twenty thirteen, so rest in peace of
Matt Osborne, the original Donk the Clown. But yeah, this match,

(50:38):
it was a match. I spent most of this match.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Well, go ahead, go ahead, I thought you were gonna say.
I spent most of the time talking about the leadoffs
on the actual match, But.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
No, I spent most of the time of this match
digging into what Jim ros said about UT Chattanooga and
the football team Marshall the night before or something like
that to beat him on homecoming. So Chatdoga beat Marshall
thirty eight to thirty one. This is when Marshall was
still in the FCS. The not in the FCS anymore,
haven't been for a long time. I don't think since

(51:11):
the nineties when they had like Randy Moss and Chad Pennington.
But that win snapped a three game losing streak for
U two Chattanooga, including one of those losses was to Alabama.
They lost fifty three to seven to Alabama and they
finished the season seven and four. So how about that
and being news and big josh one, I have nothing

(51:35):
else from this match?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, had more than I did.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
All right, we shall move on with Jim Ross and
Tony Shavanni as they preview the next match, which is
between Bobby Eaton, the number seventh ranked man and w
TW and Terrence Taylor. Not Tarry Taylor, Terrence Taylor of
the York Foundation. He's ranked number ten. So okay, now

(52:02):
get some steaks here in this match, which I like,
I appreciate adding steaks to a match like this.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, it's the red Rooster.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Whatever, he's not the Red Rooster yet or has he
been the Red Rooster already?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Roster?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
He's Terrence Taylor. Now all right, he's refined. He's the
computerized Man of the nineteen nineties. Whatever the hell that means?
What does that mean? Computerized Man of the nineteen nineties?
Do you know what that means? They showed Alexandrew York
at one point, who was of course eventually become Terry
and w w F Terry Reynolds. Uh, but they showed

(52:41):
her at one point, uh, looking on the computer, like
typing stuff on the computer. The computer wasn't even faced
up all the way. She just just punching in punching keys.
It's like, bro, y'all gotta at least pretend to know
a bost of computers. Like this is still the early
nineties when people thought they knew computers. They had no
idea what computers were, and here we are, Nope, computerized

(53:03):
Man of the nineteen nineties. It's like by the so
this part of the part of our lives still like
we're figuring about computers by the mid nineties, and it
becomes the Internet, Like what's the then that the Internet world?
What are you gonna do on here? And all that stuff?
So we're things going on, but yeah, computerized Man of
the nineteen nineties. Terrence Taylor cool with future Terry Reynolds

(53:31):
about that.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
It's so fun did it interesting to color of Teddy Reynolds?
In my mind, she's Marlena, Like when I see her, Oh,
it's Marlena. That's the first name I think of when
I say her. So that's funny. I'm like, Harry, I'm like,
what do you talk about Terry Oh, Terry Reynolds. Okay,

(53:53):
I felt you we were talking about Bruce Taylor.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
No Terry Reynolds, Terry Reynolds. But this match, I thought,
this match is really good the night. It was really
well done. I mean, you got two pros in there again,
Terror Taylor, I know you call him. It was a
red rooster, but Terry Taylor could go man like, he
could work Beautiful Bobby.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Like all the way.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
And beautiful Bobby rest in peace, beautiful Bobby. He was great,
like people underrated how good Bobby Eaton was. And that
damn Alabama jam Man Lake drop from the top rope.
That's a that's probably a painful finish for him. But
it was awesome to watch, right, So I'm not totally

(54:40):
surprised that this was a like you said, the best
of the night, and I agree with you. This was
a great match. I mean that gut Rinch power bomb
tailor hit on the on the ramp, that was dope.
Like you don't see Gutridge. You don't see Gutbridge power
bombs that much anymore. I don't know why somebody should
bring that back to do a Gutbridge power bomb, right,
But yeah, it was and then the Alabama Jam people

(55:01):
went crazy for it and Bobby wins the match. But again,
a really good match between two pros. I think this
is This was one of I think two or three
really good matches on the show, amongst a whole bunch
of other garbage. Like it's so wild when you got
so much garbage on the show, and then you have
this match. You have Steve Auston versus Dustin Rhodes, and

(55:22):
you have Lex Luga versus Ron Simmons, which we'll talk
about it, but I also thought was well done. But
then you got the next match, Jimmy jam Garvin of
the Fabulous free Birds going against Little Richard, I mean,
Johnny b Bad.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
This is a heel, which I totally didn't even realize.
He was apparently a heel before he was a babyface.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
It's probably for the did you see what he was wearing. Yeah,
he is a heel in the South at the.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Very absolutely, It's probably.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Gonna be a heel elsewhere too. We walked rocking the
sea through thong trunks with the tuxedo on the front,
You're gonna be a heel, especially in the South. Okay,
that's just how it's gonna be But this next match again,
Jimmy jam Garvin against Johnny be Bad and the Free Birds.

(56:15):
Jimmy jam and ps Michael Hayes come out in Atlanta.
Braves hats and jackets and they're doing a tomahawk chop. Nick, Oh, well,
let me add some context to this. The Braves in
nineteen ninety one. At this point, we're in the World Series.
In fact, this show took place the night of Game

(56:38):
seven they were in. This is during the game Game
seven of the World Series between the Braves and the
Minnesota Twins. Unfortunately for the Braves, they lost that game,
won nothing in extra innings.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Oh then, oh, I'm sorry, man.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh that's where did that come from? Nick? Cut it out.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
You can't sorry, I hit the wrong button.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Oh wait, they they've lost recently too.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
That's not the one I hit before.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You had the wrong button again?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Here it is?

Speaker 11 (57:26):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Oh no, I think that's the wrong one again.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Out o this.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
You gotta get it right. Events we're professionally.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Led labeled as I labeled them wrong. Here's the good one.

Speaker 11 (57:47):
J bl is here back into his right, his hairs
towards the angle wall to the track and the wall
reaches out, it comes off.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
JD. This is the wrong one again. Dusky is gonna
wave that hard. Here's the red light of.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
The pathos an inside the park. That's the inside the
park we're on. I labeled it. Man, I'm able to halloween.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
The wall and cams away from messing all up to night.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Man.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
Feel you know what real view jos first postseason Homer.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
That was oh oh oh jeez, and a series jeez,
oh oh oh man. Wait a second, Oh who's that?
That's the Braves and.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Ask whoops, Oh no, I hope he wasn't there in
ninety one neither. Jeez, that's a shame. All right, that's
a real show.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
You I said, well, oh god, oh no, that wasn't
the one. That was not the one.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
It goes back to work in the first pitch, the
deep black field. This is way back the way gone,
way gone.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Phil the brains announcer sounds bad. He was bad.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
You know what I found funny. It wasn't even Braves fans.
It was like other people. That was just like the
playoff format is weird because all the one hundred lost
team one hundred lost one hundred win nationally teams out
of the playoffs. It's like they ain't got nothing to
do with the playoff format. Brother, that's because they lost anybody.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I found it, I found it, you found it. This
is the good.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
That's incredible, man. I just find it funny, though, that
we're worried about the playoff format all of a sudden,
Like y'all knew the playoff format from game one. No, no,
not you or any other Phillies fan. This is other
teams fans. It's like broad been near the playoff format.
You knew that these games weren't gonna be as important
as the ones in October. Like, that's just how this
works all the time. Also, do you prefer the old

(01:00:22):
format when it could came down to like a one
game playoff. At least you got a series out of it,
even if it's only three games. The division series has
also always been a best of three, best three out
of five. I should say you know this, Like, why
were we so like mind boggled over the Oh, they
had some extra rests. No, man, ask football how the

(01:00:45):
extra rest is worked out. They'll say it worked perfectly fine.
In fact, we even added another team after that. So
because more teams in the playoffs means more money, because
more TV networks can pay for those games. That's why
they exist. Get the money. That's what they supposed finally
trying to do. And now people are like, oh, the
regular season doesn't matter. You know what the value the

(01:01:05):
regular season? The fact that there's one hundred and sixty
two games, Like, that's what the value is the regular season. Okay,
when you got teams is not in this in the
night in the playoff hunt past July, but they still
got to play forty more games, like, and you expect
fans to keep showing up for two more months. No,
but no, that's not the reason why the regular season

(01:01:27):
the value. That's not the playoff structure. It's the fact
that there's one hundred and sixty two games. They don't
have to be one hundred and sixty two games, but
it is. It is what it is. People will just
burst to change. They'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Listen, the Phillies won one hundred and one games in
twenty eleven. They kept winning in the regular season. It mattered, right,
They let the Cardinals into the playoffs because they kept
beating the teams that were competing with the Cardinals. The
Cardinals beat them. In the NLDS and Philly fans they're
pissed off, right and Howard towards Achilles. There was a

(01:02:02):
lot to be angry about, but there was not one
person in media or I mean maybe there were a few,
but it wasn't a prevailing thought to change the playoff
format because we lost to the Cardinals one hundred and
one wins the best season or one hundred and two wins,
actually not one hundred and one. It was one hundred
and two wins, best season in Phillies history, four aces

(01:02:25):
on the mound the whole season. Nobody was mad at
the playoff format. We were just mad that the Phillies
couldn't beat the Cardinals. That was it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
So that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
That's all it needs to be. Then that was the
twenty eleven. That was eleven years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Also, the Braves didn't win the World says it like
eighty eight wins last year? Yeah, anybody complain about that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
You know, it's funny because the Dodgers keep there so
good for so long that it never matters because they
never win the World Series.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
So except that one time, well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, because no one else was like cared. I guess
I don't know. That was like that title of the
Lakers title just feels weird and I don't I don't
like saying that because everyone had to deal with the
same thing during you know, COVID and right. But I
don't know, man, It's just it doesn't help when something

(01:03:18):
they said Dodgers continually failing the year after year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
When they when they haven't been back since, like they
haven't been close like the Lakers. Lakers didn't have have
they they didn't make the playoffs last year the Lakers did.
They made the play in the year before, like like
you know what I'm saying, It was like the Lakers
were like they hit the play in. I don't think
did they win that playing game. I think they might
have wanted to play. No, they did, and they got

(01:03:45):
their asses by Phoenix in the first round. So yeah,
that doesn't help. I could say it doesn't help necessarily.
But yeah, I knew he was gonna take off and
go off on the braves here because the free Birds
just walking out with braves jackets doing the is timahawk chopping,
you know, here we are, but they sitting home right
now apparently, So that's just that. That's just how it is.

(01:04:08):
But Mark Merrow comes out with Teddy Long, don't I
don't recall Mark Merlow being managed by Teddy Laws.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Sorry about boy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Mark Merrill or Johnny be Bad, I should say, coming
out doing his little Richard impersonation being managed by Teddy Long,
which I do not recall. Okay, yeah, he's got a
cape and he by he had me john to be Bad,
and it's blowing smoke, and it's confetti flying everywhere. It

(01:04:47):
looks kind of weird. It's just to go down tonight players.
It just didn't come off the way they intended. I
thought they. I think they thought it would look much
more grand and much more of a looking spectacle. It
did not look like that at all. So Johnny be
Bad also not a great dancer. He was trying to

(01:05:09):
show off some moves in the ring. Nah, I can
dance better than Johnny be Bad. Now that's not you know,
that's not necessarily a high bar to clear. But I
also say I'm a damn good dancer, So don't don't
check me when it comes to the dancing. I'm out
here in these streets when it comes to the dancing,
all right, Actually, ask people about me, all right. They

(01:05:31):
know I'm not saying I'm pop locking and stuff like that,
but I'm doing my thing, all right. I ain't break dancing,
but I do what I can do, okay. Michael Hayes
at one point punches Johnny be Bad in the face
and there was no dq to be had. I don't
did the ref not see it for some reason? I
don't recall. Unbelievable, but no, dare right for this match

(01:05:57):
you needed it. Michael Hayes just punches the guys in
the face and then does the Timahawk chop and kept
it moving like that was it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Just like the Braves. They kept it moving and did
off season, kept.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
It on moving right on out of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
This is about the time or my wife started noticing
what was on the television screen, and of course it's
when Johnny b Bad is on the screen because of
his little, tiny little trunks. She was as she was
just taken aback by how he looked and said that
his butt looked amazing. Those were her words, not mine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I gotta clip that. She said that I gotta clip
you saying his butt looked amazing. Put it in there
in her words not mine clip, I'm just clipping.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Okay. They did a wild spot at one point when
they kind of jumped up into each other.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
That was I've never.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Seen that to each other's arms, No, just into each
other's faces. I guess put each other. That's rough, not
in a great not a good way, not in a
good way. And then Garvin hit a d d T. Oh,
and everybody's calling for d d T. They're doing that
the whole match. He hits the d DT. However, our

(01:07:15):
boy tedd Along was on the ring apron distracting the referee.
That allowed John to be Bad to get up and
knock the hell out of Johnny Garvin. Jimmy jam Garvin,
I should say for the wind because remember Mark Merrill,
Golden Gloves boxer, legit legit box it will legit knock
you out if you're playing around in these streets with

(01:07:35):
Mark Merrill. So, uh, that makes sense, and he wins
the match. No, there's that John to be Bad Jimmy
jam Garvin, Halloween havoc man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Why was this match? Who knows? Who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
It's the Jim Herd era of w T. W All
bets are off that she's it all bets are off. Okay,
we move on. But now with Missy Hyatt, who stops
Bobby eating He's going to celebrate his win, and but
she has got to know who the w c W

(01:08:18):
Halloween Phantom is. She's got to know, and she complains,
She complains, and Bobby just goes, I don't know, I'm
going to celebrate and said, well, you gotta tell me
he's just like women, and then walked off, and she goes,
this is unfair, and then that was it. It was
really dumb. What was this?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Give me a lot of good stuff to clip if
I just use it as a clip, and they just
randomly placed it in episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
My Missy hired impersonation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
This is unfair like that was just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I was like why she said like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Let's uh, let's listen to it. I did clip this one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Bessy Hotte is standing by.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
Let's see how she's doing on finding the w c
W Halloween Phantom.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Let's go now back to see.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
How Thanks guys, and I'm still looking for the w
and I can't find him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It's not fair out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Beautiful Bobby step stop, please tell me, please tell me
where's the w c W phantoms?

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
The phantom.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
How about Dorothy Morrow, Jack? You know where I'm going
to celebrate. I just want to match. Please please help
me Bobby in his accident. Let's just go to the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
This is fair what.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I thought she's supposed to be looking for him. She
just stood there and just asked Bobby eating all right, Bobby,
like bro I just wrestled the match. I ain't got
looking for the I'm dan, I'm going home. She's talking
about damn phantoms and phantasms and ghost a round here, man,
what you're talking about it? Rick rude?

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Mask?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Saw that mustache? Come on, man, that's not great detective
work by missy Ayatt. That's how one lead is to
ask Bobby Eaton. That's it. That's the extent of the word.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
I feel like she's just standing there and looking around.
She's not like searching, she's not moving just the whole
time she's standing there looking around and saying she can't
find them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah, but I'll ask Bobby Eaton. He'll tell me. When
we move on from that. It is now time for
the WCW World Television Championship. It is stunning Steve Austin
going up against the natural Dustin Rhodes. Of course TV

(01:10:55):
time limit because it's a TV title match. It's fifteen minutes,
so is the usually ten on TV, right I believe so?
And fifteen for pay per views, so we get the
pay per viewed time limit. Wow, fifteen minutes. The first
thing about this match is my wife watching this show
with me, had never seen Stunning Steve Austin. She never
knew that Stunning Steve Baston existed. So I'm like, hey,

(01:11:17):
you want to see Steve Auston nineteen ninety One's like,
who the hell is that guy? Like, that's Steve Austin,
like with the with the hair and everything. Yeah, that's him.
She's like, Stunning Steve Austin's like that we got the
names the Stunner from was like, I'm pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Sure that my honestly, when he when they called it
the Stokehold Stunners, I knew him and w W Stunning
Steve Wawston. I was like, oh, they kind of like
made it yeah with Steve Auston, like the Stunners. Wow,
Like stunning Steve kind of works.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Exactly so, but yeah, Stunning Steve Austin World TV Champ.
He's out in the ring with Lady Blossom, Oh yeah,
better known as or also known as Gene Clark, who
was his first wife. Oh yeah, we don't hear much
about his wife. We haven't talked much about her, but

(01:12:04):
you obviously don't hear much about her in general. You
here about Steve. But she had wrestling career as well.
Of course, she's from the UK. She broke into the
wrestling business alongside Chris Adams, gentleman Chris Adams right, who
was also from the UK. They eventually obviously work in Texas.
That's where they meet Steve Austin. Adams trained Steve Austin,

(01:12:27):
but eventually Steve Austin starts going with Genie and they
get married eventually, and then they have the angle in
the USWA about Adams zas and whatnot, because you know
Genie and that Chris Adams were together, and they do
a whole thing there. Now Here, they are in WCW
as a package deal, Steve Austin and Lady Blossom. We

(01:12:48):
get to the match. By the way, I don't think
Jeanie was in wrestling past nineteen eety one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
This is her last hurrah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, one of them in pro wrestling. But we get
into the match, and Dustin Rose is pretty much he's
bleeding already, right as soon as the match starts, he's
bleeding pretty much, right. They just bleed everywhere. Steve Auson's
whooping up on him. Open up again, wolf ass what oh,
he didn't say that yet. At this point, he wasn't
stomping the mudhole, walking the dry yet. He was stunning.

(01:13:22):
Steve Auson, the guy with the he's a California native
with the Texas accent. But California, right, at least he wasn't.
He's in Hollywood blonde. But Dustin Rose, he fights back,
and he gets on this flurry of offense and he's
beating up but now also bloody Steve Austin. Okay, and

(01:13:43):
they's got this flurr and he's going but you know,
there's a time limit and it's only fifteen minutes and
Gary Michael copettit is counting down five minutes remaining five seconds,
four three, two and one and zero out of time.
Just as Dustin Rose is about to pen Steve Austin,
he ran out of time. He simply just ran out

(01:14:05):
of time. Steve Austin retains the World Television Championship and
Dustin Rhods, gonna live, gonna have to fight another day
to get the title. You know, I like a good
time limit draw. I'm not so sure if I love
it on pay per view, but I think it's good.
I think it's really good for TV. I didn't necessarily hate.

(01:14:26):
I don't necessarily remember what happened moving forward. I'd assume
Dustin Rose eventually beat Steve Auston for the title, but
I'm indifferent because again, I like time limit draws, but
I'm not sure if I love it for a pay
per view.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
I don't remember if Tulson never helped the TV title.
I know he held the US title, but mm okay,
I don't know if he would have held the TV title.
And I'm not gonna look it up. How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Yeah, I'll blame you on that one. It's not that important,
that important exactly. What is important is that Steve Vawson
is still the TV champion on this day, next ninety one,
and we shall move on to Jim Ross telling us
about the next show on the calendar, the next pipe
of you on the calendar. It is the Starkad battle

(01:15:15):
Bowl Lethal Lottery. The what all three names of this
show who so many names? Star K ninety one Battle Bowl,
The Lethal Lottery.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
What about Starkad the Battle Bowl, Lethal Lottery, stark Lottery
Lethal the Battle bwl.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
You got it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
The Lethal Starkade battle Bowl in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
The in the very nineteen nineties promo or the late
eighties early nineties promo from ww oh Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:15:56):
Watching Year World Champion Chip Bressla bris Heads, the sports
by Can't get out of the season, Stark Anything goes
in Westlakes, Oh to Me, Challenge asculuk and Survival, stark
Age ninety one battle Bowl, the Lethal Lottery, Old my God,

(01:16:17):
pay you call your local game elaborator for antainability.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Start K ninety one battle Bowl, the Lethal Lottery. Like
how many titles does this have? Halloween ends tomorrow but
maybe today? Like what you got a full sentence in there?
That's probably a full sentence. Star K ninety one Comma

(01:16:44):
Battle Bawl Colon the Lethal Lottery period Like, right, I
don't know. That might not be a full sentence, but
it was wild, but here with time for the wildest
part of the show. The next two matches probably lasting

(01:17:05):
combined like four minutes, but it's one what in the
hell is going on here after the other, because first
we it's time for Oz, yes, Kevin Nash as OZ
to go up against Bill Kasmyre. Oh, and you probably wonder,

(01:17:29):
you know Kevin Ashes, You know OZ is by wondering
who the hell is Bill Kazmyer.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Kevin who believes the Eagles have no weakness?

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
I did see that tweet that about that weakness. It's injuries.
That's the only weakness. You gotta say healthy, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I've replied to him big sexy the football knower.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Oh right, I'm not calling another girl man big sexy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
But uh oh, that's your prerogative.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
But Kevin Nashes, he knows what he's talking about. When
I guess in that respect, I guess. But Kasmyre apparently
one of the strongest human beings has ever walked the
face of the earth. All Right, He's won, damn there
every championship there was to win, and powerlifting and weightlifting
win championships all over the world. He even tried to

(01:18:21):
play football. He was in the Packers camp in nineteen
ninety one. Didn't make it, but he was there. Okay,
Just he's carrying a planet to the ring for his entrance.
That's what he's doing for his entrance. He got a
whole planet on his back. Okay, strong strong man is

(01:18:43):
Bill Kasmyre.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
It had real atmosphere and no gravity. I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Also had no heat from the fans. Did they care?

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Sound like it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
But here we are now the misses on the ground
holding his knee, looking very distraught.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
It kind of makes me laugh because we could We
would see people like this in w WF like Mark
Henry and stuff, and they knew how to market those
upt guys in a way. Eventually it would work out
with Mark Henry, maybe not right away, but w W
could not market worth a shit, no, God, like that was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Not their strong suit whatsoever, even until the nWo. Really
they were not great at marketing. Even through the n
WO they went great at marketing, you know, but they
caught on. But like that's definitely not at this point,
not doing the gym herd era. Okay, but this match yourself,

(01:19:47):
it ended before it really began. KASMI won with a
torture rack, which I guess Lex Luga was he using
the torture rack yet, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
I don't know, I don't even remember during the match.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
But I feel like if somebody like was using the
torture rack. No one else uses the torture rack, so he.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Was Horseman, so I would think I would assume.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I don't. I don't recall. I mean outside of the
forearm with the plate, I don't remember another finish from
Lex Luger. So it was just kind of wild to
see somebody on the show with Lex Luger in the
main event using the torture rack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Maybe they were gonna build a Luger and KASMI.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Torture rack versus torture rack. Katmar can carry a planet
to the ring. I think he can do the torture
rack to Lex Luger. But yeah, he won, and we
move on to another great match. It's heavy metal Van Hammer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Against pretty boy Dug Summers. My god, Hey, they like
that up skirt coming off.

Speaker 8 (01:20:59):
Have you ever had anybody at you like that?

Speaker 10 (01:21:00):
When he take that shirt off, that Tony Shavanni shirt, Jim,
I'd like to say that he got a heck of
a reaction. And what separates It's no cliche, but as
far as young athletes are concern, what separates the good
ones for the bad ones is confidence and Van Hammer
hasn't much like Dustin Rhodes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Hask I can't think Dustin roads into this. We'll bring
Dustin Rhodes, who just didn't win U the TV title.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Okay, you know what I fucked. I listened to the clip,
but I thought it was funny. I don't know why
I clipped it that long. I just edited it before
he went onto that diet try.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
But I did about Dustin Rhodes. What confidence was Tony
Shavanni's shirt in the beginning generals? Yeah, you didn't get
the best part though, which was Van Hammer's entrance? Was
van Hammer by the way, Look, he's a metal guy.
He's a he's a rocker from the nineteen eighties, even
though in nineteen ninety one. But he's got a guitar.

(01:21:56):
I don't think he actually plays.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Got that going for.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Then they actually had people with actual jackhammers using jackhammers
during his entrance, so you can hear jack hammers because
his name is van Hammer. Hammer not like sledgehammer or
like a regular hammer. No jackhammer, and we need to
have actual jack hammers, like what they spent money on that.

(01:22:27):
Of all the areas you can cut corners, you can
save money here and there, and I'm sure they did
things to save money and cut some corners, but they
spent money on to get guys to use a jackhammer
in the ring or during an entrance for Van Hammer.
Nice van Hammer thanked them by hitting the worst sling

(01:22:53):
shot I've ever seen to win the match.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Worst slingshot ever, perhaps.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Terrible, terrible?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
What's the stell it on pay per view?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
I don't know, but fortunately it's over so we can
move on. We get promos from Brian Pillman or Flying
Brian as he's known as at this point, and not
Ricky Morton but Richard Morton, also of the York Foundation
with alexand Alexandria York.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I gotta imagine, I wonder what people back then felt
when you know, the Rock and Roll Express split up
or you know, they did this type of stuff. Did
they feel as strongly as like when the Dudleys split
up in our life?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
They probably felt more strong That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Team like that, you know that era, because at least
like we.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Can look back and be like, I mean, Bubba Ray
on his own has done stuff on his own that
was pretty He's done prominent things on his own, even
especially after WWE uh and Devon. Yeah, that wasn't great,
but at least I got Batista out of it and
some funny moments, I guess. But who goes back when
you watch I mean, I guess you won't do this

(01:24:14):
with Deulli boys either, But when you watch Rock and
Roll Express or Ricky Morton stuff, you're gonna go back
and watch Richard Morton too much, you know, but it
is what it is.

Speaker 11 (01:24:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
They couldn't do it forever, I guess. So we got
Richard Morton right of the York Foundation, Yeah, of the
York Foundation, and he is challenging Brian, Flying Brian for
to become the first ever WSW light heavyweight champion. Okay,

(01:24:48):
because it's the first ever lights heavyweight championship match in
WSW history, we're getting the ret for Eye Camera, Baby,
It's back, It's back. Okay. White Heavyweight Division WSW though
not very memorable. Man WSW, they brought the Cruiserweight division in,

(01:25:08):
which is I guess it's the same sort of concept,
But then they brought in Luca Doors and that changed
everything here. Not so much nothing against Flying Bryan and
Richard Morton, but not so much. Speaking of Richard Morton
though he's supposed to be prim and proper now, right, Yeah,
Richard Morton, not Ricky Morton, Terrence, Terrence Taylor, not Terry Taylor. Okay,

(01:25:34):
you're part of a corporation, Okay, Terrence Taylor. He got
his hair dead though. Ricky Morton was still out here
rocking the mullet, and that mullet was all party. There
was no business in that mullet. Okay. That was a
wild mullet. Bro still got that damn mullet to this day.
Shout out to Ricky Morton for that. However, there was

(01:25:55):
nothing business about that, even when they say aboutmulla's business
in the front, party in the back. No party and party,
all party, No business whatsoever in that mullet. Okay. So
I don't understand why. I guess he's like, I'm not
messing with the hair, bro. You can do whatever you want,
but you're not touching the hair. Oh JBL's out here now, Okay,

(01:26:18):
there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
By the way, we'll fly Brian. He was like the
first WCW actually figure I ever had. Oh No, I
thought that was kind of cool. I thought his tights
were cool. I thought it was a cool looker design
had no idea. It was like reminiscent of the Cincinnati Bengals,
because I, yes, I don't like when I watched w W,
I don't really pay attention, especially in this era.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
It wasn't we were a big football fan either, what
a big football fan? Like, Yeah, so I don't think
you would have related.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
To two well they even if they were to say
it on TV, you know commentary, I would have been
like not remembering, I guess, but yeah, I thought it
was like so cool that you know, he was a
former Bengal, right and it's like a Bengal thought that
was cool. Never do that was soil Like I was

(01:27:08):
way older, never put.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
To the stripes Bengals, by the way ward Those white
Helmans recently with the d White Stripes fire, absolute fire.
But Brian Pillman, who's not only from Cincinnati, he indeed
did play for the Cincinnati Bengals as an undrafted free
agent in nineteen eighty four, and like Jim Rows said
in his broadcast, he won the ed Block Courage Award

(01:27:32):
for the Bengals that season. And you might be wondering,
what is that, Like, what is the Block Courage Award?
Is that a big deal. It kind of is. It's
still handed out to this day by each team in
the NFL. Each team gives it out to a guy
who's show him a lot of you know, it's called
the Courage Award, but like a courage and inspiration a
lot of times to go to gods who's like overcoming
the devastating injury and they bounced back to the next
year and they play and they they you know, they

(01:27:53):
work really hard they come back from it. So like
you know, everybody is eligible, including practice squad guys, which
is probably why. Like a guy like Brian Pillman, he
wasn't like a starter for the Bengals, but he won
the award. Everybody's eligible, So another reason why, Like a
guy like Joe Osman won for the Eagles in twenty twenty.
I think he got hurt in twenty nineteen, came back

(01:28:14):
in twenty twenty, got the Block Courage Award. Also in
twenty twenty one, Rodney McLeod heard his knee and twenty
twenty comes back in twenty twenty one he wins the
at Black Courage Award. Jason Kelcey I believe hurt himself
in twenty twelve came back in twenty thirteen. Brandon Brooks
hurt himself in twenty eighteen at the end of twenty
eighteen with his achilles came back in twenty nineteen. Started
Week one, which is wild, and I think he started

(01:28:37):
every game up until the regular season finale. I think
got hurt in the regular season finale, which might be
one of his last games, isn't evel and I think
about it. I think he played a couple games in
twenty twenty before he got hurt, but we actually he
got hurt in twenty twenty. I don't know if he
made it to twenty twenty one season because I know
he got hurt before that too, so I think he
played a game or two in twenty twenty one before

(01:28:57):
he got hurt. Either way, it's a pretty cool award.
It gets handed out again by every team to one
player on each team in each team every year. So yeah.
Brian Pilman is the was the winner of the Black
Caurage Award in nineteen nineteen eighty four for the Bengals.
Pilman also played in the CFL played for the Calgary Stampeders,

(01:29:18):
which is how he got linked up with Stampede wrestling
up in Calgary. Uh, this match is also pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
It's just a straightforward match and it's just like when
they had like straightfward wrestling with people who can go
it was good, like didn't they had to sprinkle and
dumb stuff like jack Hammers with van Hammer and the
creatures just didn't make any sense. In the Chamber of Horrors,

(01:29:45):
the cool Yeah in the Chamber of Hers also JB
up bringing out Baron Corbyn. Yeah, I don't know where
the tights with the with the hat still. Oh man,

(01:30:06):
this is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Gonna be like the JBL character or something.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Let's see, you got the shower pyro like Christian back
in the day. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. But
back into w t W, this match is pretty good.
Again when they just did wrestling, it was good. But
again sprinkling dumb stuff didn't make any sense. Brian Pillman
won this match, by the way, with a cross body

(01:30:34):
across body from the top rope that we saw the
three count four through the refer I cam. It was
a It was okay. It was a fine angle. It
wasn't like tremendous. It wasn't like a WHOA should see
that angle? It was just fine. And Brian Pillman becomes
the first ever light heavyweight champion and deputy at w history,
So that's cool. Any other thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Oh, I just think I had like a lot of
uh they were like those were almost like the Hasbro
figures w w F had, but they were I guess
a little bit smaller. And the Brian Pelman action figure
I had Sting, I had Arn Anderson, Rick Flair, Sid Vicious, Wow,

(01:31:21):
Lex Luger, Ron Simmons and Butchered. They were doom. Yeah.
I might have had like the whole first series whatever
that was. I don't I guess that was the first series.
Uh the z Man Toms Inc. By the way, which
we're gonna see next. He was he was also one
of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
How could he not be?

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
So you Rico Bondi back on the show so we
could all talk about how cool Tom's ink was back
in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
I just remembered back and I didn't even watch WCW,
but I had their figures so and I had some
of their cars like trading cards. So what I one
of my cousins like, I got to watch WCW and
we will go over for like a family thing, and
it would be on and I would catch it like
here or there, but not always like interested because I

(01:32:08):
was like, this isn't WWF. I don't care, mainly because
I like the presentation of the WWFY Moore. I thought
the red white blue ropes were cooler. The aesthetic was
more quote unquote professional looking to me. I didn't know
what that meant back then, but now I know. That's
why I grabbed my attention more than a WCW event

(01:32:29):
where the production, even though it wasn't bad, it just
didn't hit well with me at all. So like I
got these like ww action figures and I would always
display then and I would always put the WCW ones
behind the WWF. Once I was like I don't want
anyone to see me, I would put them away. But
like that's just it's funny. How now I'm thinking about

(01:32:51):
back then of like what I had in my collection
and how I treated it, and it was always like WCW.
It was like the redheaded Child, you know, it's just
kind of funny looking back. Having plan I think pelbl
was like the also the first action figure I lost,
like I lost him somewhere and I was like, no, so, yeah,

(01:33:13):
it was a sad day when that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
I'm sorry to hear that. Man, I'm sorry that over it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
What did you bring it out?

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
I can tell I didn't mean to my bad. Tom's like, though,
my guy, he's a good guy, jbo, what's up his slacks?
It slacks was an extra baggy bro? Get it better
to get a better, better cut than that. I don't
know what's up with that. You got too much money

(01:33:40):
for that? Oh, it ain't nothing wrong withever something I
lost a bunch of weight or something. It was just
you just got baggy pants for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
So because we didn't hear the promo, so hopefully nothing listen.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
I don't think so. I feel like nobody my timeline
to say anything. I even looked on Twitter's like anybody
saying thing before I say something, let me make sure
I miss I didn't miss something about h JBL's. The
choice of fit, the choice of cut of the pants.

(01:34:16):
Definitely like a like a boot cut going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
I don't know. I used to love the boot cut,
but now I'm older and I don't anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
You can't, Yeah, we can't do the boot cut.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
No, more.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
We can't, we can't. It's twenty twenty two. Also happy Corbyn,
Barren Corbin. Now just just know that it's back to
being Barreon Corbin. No, but but yeah, boot cut jeans,
we can't do that no more. Bro, Yeah, we can't
do it. We can't have it. You can't have boot
cut jeans in twenty twenty two. You gotta have like
a slim cut or a skinny cut like we've grown, Like,

(01:34:50):
get one that's like looks good on you, like nice fitting.
Can't do boot cut. The only person that get away
with boot cut is like Eddie Kingston. You can rock
the boot cut because he's extra New York.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
He can.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
You can still do it, Daddy Kingston to rock with West.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
All the jeans I have so boot cut because I
wear boots.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
You know so so because you wear boots, wear boot cuts.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Like uh they doc Martin's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
So they're like pig No, bro, you get some look look, look,
look the chicks dig the skinnier jeans.

Speaker 11 (01:35:29):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Chicks want to see them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Legs weight first and then I'll I'll get jeans.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Let them legs out. They don't. They let me tell you.
They like they like the thick legs, Nick, they like
the thick legs. Did you see the shorts dudes wearing
this summer did when they call the hoochie daddies. They
want them legs out, Nick, They want to see them thighs, bro.
All right, let them thighs fly. Okay, they like that stuff.

(01:36:01):
Let's do it. You think you'll thank me later. Get
this sht get the shorts, Get the short shorts out
next summer man, get the short shorts out. The huchi
daddy shorts gotta come out. All right, It is what
it is. I don't make the rules, just got to

(01:36:22):
enforce them sometimes, all right, Just making a Back to
w CW. Back to w CW. We're talking with with
Jim Ross, with Tony Shavanni. They're talking about the Halloween
Phantom because he's about to wrestle next. It is the
Halloween Phantom, the w c W Halloween Phantom against z

(01:36:43):
Man Tom z Inc. Rest in Peace a z Man
Tom z Inc who is so dope. He had a
great drop kick. He's just a great babyface too, like
he had a lot of energy. He's athletic, he's a
z Man.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, that was kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
For ninety one. I guess the man for ninety for
like a child got in the Z Man.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
It was so good that exactly that's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
He was right, but even a z Man can rescue what.
The entrance for the WW Phantom was all right, like
we get a payoff not long later. But man, I
know people watching his live it's like, what are we
watching now? When this man comes out with this this
very Halloween like music with the organ playing, and he

(01:37:40):
comes out on like in a Phantom of the Opera
type of Luca mask, It's like one side black, one
side white. What okay?

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
And he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Creeping down to the ring? What like, what in the
Scooby Doo is this? Bro? What are we doing? Did
they really have to have him walk down to the
ring like that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Oh so Baron Corbin is now part of all because
they swapped the trade raymis stereos SmackDown Now that sweet
found out Friday night. Friday night.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Oh they actually announced that. Look at that on Twitter. Yeah,
at least they try to bridge a gap there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
I think JBL probably mentioned it this promo if he didn't,
you know, that's what the tweets for that. Yeah, Raymistereo
showed up on Friday that quit. He quit the company
and then got a title match because he won, and
now he's part of SmackDown brand, so so.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
They to get him they need to get from it
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
So my guy was the last trade we had.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
And he needed to get Raymisterio away from the judgment
day because obviously, I mean to me, that's a WrestleMania
match if you're gonna do raymonstere vers a dominic. If
you do that, that's a WrestleMania match. And I don't
know how much longer you can drag this out with
them on the same show every week and he's dominated
just whooping raymus Steel's ass every week. I guess the

(01:39:00):
best thing would be him to just quit. But if
he obviously they don't want to do that. They don't
want to just have you for a while. A good
story too, right, So right, you could go home for
a while, right and just like try to get this
life together and then comes back and he's like, you know,
I want to fight you now. Or you can move
him to another show and somehow make them cross paths again,

(01:39:20):
maybe an or rumble. I don't know, we'll see come January.
But I think it was still a smart decision to
separate those two because it's just like we got it now.
Edge's not even gonna be here. Edge's gonna uh, he's
got cast for what, Percy Jackson, a movie or a
show or something like that. So maybe he's going for
a while. I don't know, but good, good decision to

(01:39:41):
get ready away from the judgment day. But back to
this match, back to the z Man versus the Halloween Phantom.
Halloween Phantom comes out whooping all kinds of ass. He's
the best wrestler in the history. Okay, poor Tom Zink
just didn't know what to expect. He got put in
the blender right away. Clearly though, you look at this
guy and even mentioned on commentary like this guy is huge.

(01:40:01):
He's like, clearly, this guy's a wrestler, Like he's a
wrestlers wrestler, and he's got quite the mustache. You can
see the mustache through the mask, thick old Tom Selleck mustache, right,
classic eighties mustache. He's got it. But I guess if
you're watching this back in the day on your standard
definition television, you couldn't tell who the hell that was.

(01:40:24):
But when he hits the Root Awakening, You're like it's
Rick Rude, Like, clearly it's him, But at the time
you're like, huh, he used the Root Awakening. He's got
a mustache and he's got muscles. Coincidental, he looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
That was in a steel cage match against Selto Warrior
or Summer Slam a year ago.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Yeah, that guy sorta. He didn't swivel his Hipso so
I'm not I'm not convinced, not convinced just yet. But yes,
Halloween Phantom wins his debut against Toms Inc. Yeah, shout
out to Tom's ink.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
So what happens in like February. Is he still going
to be called the Halloween Phantom? Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
They're just making it up as they go. Brok, Okay,
the next match, I can't tell you that whatever we
are gonna call him with Christmas Phantom?

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Yeah maybe Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Thanksgiving Phantom just changes seasons. How about the Arbor Day Phantom. No,
that doesn't quite work. But we get another promo for
the Star Kad nineteen ninety one battle Ball the Lethal Lottery. Yep.

(01:41:47):
We move on from that to the w CW World
Tag Team Championship. Man is the enforcers. It is arn
Anderson and Larry's Abisco against the Patriotstriots Patriots times too.
Not the Patriot No, no, no, not the New England Patriots.

(01:42:08):
Not the Patriots, anybody from the Patriot League, the Patriots,
not the people that was at the Capitol on January
sixth neither. Okay, we're talking about we're talking about Todd
Champion in Firebreaker. Chip. Okay, you were talking about they

(01:42:33):
would build from WSW special Forces.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Oh, from the power plant.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
I guess the w W special Forces.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Well, you know how they had, like the racing team,
the NASCAR team. Maybe this is one of those special forces.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
No, they have an army.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
We didn't know young to know it's real bad. This
is real bad. Okay, champion again, journeyman wrestler. Okay, he
was in NWA, he's in WWF, hes in all Japan,
he's in USWA, and now he's in WSW. He's a
former USWA world champion.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Actually, oh, okay, so he was literally a champion.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Yeah, he retired in two thousand and two. But this
man worked everywhere. Chip is another journeyman wrestler. Worked in NWA.
Ww A, Slew of Independence, fire Starter Skip Firebreaker Chip
not fire Starter Skip. Also, I didn't realize. I didn't

(01:43:42):
realize until during the match. The Patriots were the good guys.
I was like, what they've tried to have these guys
get cheered. Oh my god. They wanted these guys to
be liked. They wanted the g I Joe guys to
be liked. They liked g I Joe. They're gonna like

(01:44:04):
these guys in real life too. No, then you got
Larryers of Bisco and Aren't Anderson. They just cool. They
got a normal name, the Enforcers, you know, because Arn't
Anderson is the Enforcer, you know the thing, you know
the deal? Wow, Jim hurds w CW just bad ideas,

(01:44:25):
just running a rampant, just with no leash, no one,
no control over the bad ideas. This is what happens.
We just let bad ideas just get it out of control,
man and mess up your house. It's real bad. The
Patriots from WCW Special Forces. Unsurprisingly, the Enforcers won. Okay,

(01:44:49):
they retained the world titles. Also, the Patriots were the
US Taxing Champions, which also I didn't even know they
still had the US titles at this point for the
tag teams, Like I thought they did away with that
by the nineties, by w I thought that was only
an NWA thing. But you see how far the US
tag titles had fallen since the day, like the Rock
and Roll Express, the Patriots got them. What do you

(01:45:14):
do with that? But we move on from that. We're
back with Eric Bischoff. He is with not Paul Hammond
yet Paul e dangerously okay, who was with the first
ever Paul Hammon girl person whatever? Medusa okay and Hammond.

(01:45:38):
He gets in the mic and he's talking about how
he's just suspended from being announcement by the Championship Committee
and now he's becoming a manager and he's got an
announcement to make that's gonna shake WSW two its core.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Interesting. I wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
That's what.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
Ladies and gentlemen. The man Madusa brought to me is
here tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
His name is not w C. W.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Halloween, that Tom here's that music.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
The man, this man, he's the.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
Only man on the face of the planet that can
help me bankrupt this company till I can't fire every
single person that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Has stood in my way.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
The man behind this mask is the only man that's
ever eliminated each and every person in his way.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
The man behind this mask is the only man that can.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Crush the hope of the little Stingers until a man
stands over the remence of his career and says, ass
the ass dust to dust, Western Peastinger, your career is over,
Ladies and gentlemen, the next your United States Heavy White
Champion rabbit trap rab.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
This part cracks me up? Is that incredible?

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
Or what what a coup?

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
That room?

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
The musics playing?

Speaker 9 (01:47:27):
Anybody who does tramacy room shows and all, let's help.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
This is a disaster women. Oh thanks, finally my money.

Speaker 9 (01:47:44):
It just so happens that my money man has a
problem with the World Championship Committee, and the way he
sees fit to solve this problem is to dismantle the wc.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
W brick by brick.

Speaker 9 (01:48:11):
What better way, mister Dangerously to start off than with
a low life scumbag like Sting?

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
You know, mister Dangerously.

Speaker 9 (01:48:27):
A couple of questions come to my mind, being that
I never had the opportunity to stand face to face
with the Stinger. I'm kind of wondering if he's really
as small as he looks on television. I'm kind of
wondering if he is the low life, garbage collected scumbag

(01:48:52):
that he.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
Portrays on TV.

Speaker 9 (01:48:55):
Well sting, your days are numbered, I'm gonna tear back
a wre gonna take your United States title.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Oh Man tending to ultimate Warrior at the end of that,
oh Rick, Oh yeah, Rick rude. Paul Hammond. By the way,
my wife again has she knows current Paul Hammond. She
doesn't know Paulie dangerously. She's like, oh, he was a
douche back in the day, and that we also made

(01:49:31):
the same uh, I guess uh observation in that he's
improved greatly as a talker over the years, not to
say he was bad at this point. He's just gotten
way better since nineteen ninety one. But of course this
is really only the beginning, the very beginning of what
is going to be known as the dangerous Alliance in

(01:49:53):
w TW which was I guess at that point a
less boys in wsw Right so to be this real
big bad group and w cw Right don't shake it
to his court, And of course that really didn't happen
a least to the extent that they probably would have
won it. It was still cool, though they're gonna me wrong.
Danger's Alliance was dope. Hayman rude, uh, the Enforcers stunning,

(01:50:17):
Steve and Medusa who underrated faction. But you know, obviously
it doesn't have the you know, the long lasting legacy
like a nWo or DX, even like a four Horseman
or Shield New Day like those those groups have better, Uh,

(01:50:37):
I guess a more lasting legacy, the one lasting memory
in people's minds than with the Dangerous Alliance. You know,
we never saw T shirts from them. We didn't see
like merge from them because ww just that just wasn't
their thing back then. But they were dope. When you
look at the pieces in the group, I said, oh
this is fire. When Danger's Alliance was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Yeah, how long did it last?

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
And I don't know, it didn't seem like it. It
seemed like it lasted that long. I mean, yeah, I
don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
I would imagine by the time Rick Floyer came back,
they weren't arn Anderson was probably hanging out with Rick again.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
So I don't know, But.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Yep, Halloween Phantom, that was the thing. It's Rick rude.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Why did Tony say earlier? It is like that looks
like the rude awakening gym?

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Like he actually said that. Yeah, what do they have
to hear him say that?

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Oh you know what, I clipped it. I didn't play it, man,
I thought we didn't like really need to. But I'm
gonna play it right now.

Speaker 8 (01:51:51):
We're gonna take a look first of all at some
of his moves. But that right there, there's a few
signature moves in the sport, and one is called you
might can say this dam the root awakening.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Wow, yeah, that's it, and he can execute it. Interesting,
man's up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Don't forget starting Jim was like that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
But at the same time, though, you can't ignore the
fact that if you watch wrestling, you know that move.
You can't just see the move and be like, that's
just a neck breaker.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Like you could be like that that looks familiar, but
don't say it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
Maybe you don't say it, Okay, maybe you don't actually
physically verbally say.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
That looks familiar to you. You can have play stupid
or go yes, it does Toad exactly that way too,
exactly that way, but that looks like the root awakening.

(01:52:54):
Literally just gave it away.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
That looks like Rick Rude.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
I know mustache anywhere, Jims, I.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Know that physique anywhere. So Jay r an TONI also
said this was the biggest news item in WSW all year.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
They were right. I guess, yeah, well, I guess Rick
Flair left, so probably not. But they wouldn't want to
highlight that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
So no, you're not going to say, yeah, remember we
lost Ric Flair to the others of company. Biggest news
of the year, y'all. We didn't do nothing else, but
we got we got the better Rick, we got Rick Rue.

Speaker 11 (01:53:32):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Halloween Phantom in the house. But we move on from that.
We get a video package of Ron Simmons preparing for
the main event at his alma mater, Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
State, by doing football practice.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
He's running up and down steps and stuff too. Maybe
it's conditioning, conditioning.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
That was going to help you in the ring against
conditioning athletes in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Oh my god, according to the announcers of the wrestling show,
I guess. But he's doing the video package, he's doing
the exercises. I think these are dope. I always like
when they do video packages like this. I like when
they did it with Brock and Rock in two thousand
and two. I think, maybe not do it all the time, obviously,
but every now and especially when you got a guy

(01:54:24):
like Ron Simmons who is a really accomplished football player,
especially at a very notable university like Florida State. For football.
Ron Simmons really is that guy at Florida State. In
Florida State, it's not like some small town program. If
you're not from this country, you don't pay contention to
college football. Florida State is a prominent program. If you

(01:54:44):
talk about the state of Florida, which is a football hotbed,
and you're talking about the most prominent programs in the
state of Florida, you got three of them. You got
a University of Florida, you got a University of Miami,
and you got Florida State. They just won a national
championship a decade ago, like in twenty thirteen. But Jameis
Winston and other people, Ronald Darby and I think I think, uh,

(01:55:06):
Tim Jernigan's on that team too, and Kelvin Benjamin, like
they went a Natty but then long ago, so very
prominent program in Ron Simmons is in fact one of
the best players in that program's history. He's also in
the College Football Hall of Fame. Okay, I looked up,
how's you know how high regard to say Florida State

(01:55:27):
fans hold Ron Simmons even after all these years in
his wrestling career, right, an extensive wrestling career. He's a
hall famme of just office wrestling career alone, obviously, but
he's also a decorated football player. But and how a
higher regard is even like a current day a modern
day of Florida State fancause Ron Simmons played for Florida
State before they were just really national power. They were
a good program. They're gont me wrong. They were a

(01:55:48):
good program, but they weren't like they were in the
late eighties and the nineties where their dominant team in
acc into now where there's still a prominent program. Obviously.
I looked up a opposed from sp Nation FSU's XP
Nation blog. They had ranking of the top I think
one hundred players in Florida State history. This is back

(01:56:09):
in twenty nineteen, so I don't know how much the
rankings would change because the players listed here that I'm
gonna talk about have not played since, so they have
not played for Florida State. Not current players right in
Florida State unfortunately haven't had tremendous seasons in the last
couple of years. They lost to Jacksonville State last year.
Right rough times. Still a prominent program though. But Ron Simmons,

(01:56:32):
according to this was the number seven best all time
player in Florida State history. Number seven. You know the
players ahead of them only six obviously, but again, seventh
best player in Florida State history. Players ahead of him one,
that's one. But right ahead of him is Dalvin Cook

(01:56:52):
from the Vikings. Ahead of him is Derek Brooks, former
Buccaneers linebacker and the Football Hall of Fame. I had
him Jameis Winston, as you mentioned, who was a quarterback
of that national championship team, right, I had the Jameis Winston.
It's Peter Work. If you don't remember Peter Work back
in the day, monster probably win a Heisman. I think

(01:57:15):
he did win. He win a Heisman. I don't know,
I gotta look it up. Peter Work. Peter Work was
nasty back in the day. I mean he was a
freak show out there. You get to put the ball
in his hands. He could score from anywhere like he
was decinly he had knee injury when he got to
the pros, like when he got to the Bengals. That
kind of slowed him up a little bit in his
pro career. But when he was in college he was electrifying,

(01:57:39):
all right. So look up Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
Work and electricy Man in college football.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
At one point it was like him and Vic were
the two guys. Okay, uh, Peter Worke did not win
a Heisman, but he was a two time consensus All American,
three time first team All acc Yeah, it's really good.
But ahead of him in the ranking Charlie Ward. If
you don't know Charlie Ward. He is a Heisman Trophy winner.

(01:58:11):
Who if he was a Heisman Trophy winner today, he
would have went to the NFL as a number one
overall pick because he was a short, shorter quarterback I
say shorter at least by NFL standards. Shorter shorter back. Yeah,
who could run. He maybe wasn't the most polished passer,
but he could play. He was a Heisman Trophy winner, right,

(01:58:33):
but he went to Heisman in like the early nineties. See,
black quarterbacks already had strikes against hi because they were black,
then he was shorter. He didn't go pro, but he
did play in the NBA for a long time as
a point guard. So Charlie Ward an incredible athlete just
in general. Apparently again, Hireson Trophy winner in football, point

(01:58:53):
guard in basketball in the NBA. All right, he was
a Heisman Trophy winner. Oh as my dog, my dog,
as you can tell, my dog is all about it.
But he was a Heisman Trophy winner while he's playing
basketball at Florida State. That's crazy. It is, as my dog.

(01:59:16):
I can't the dog. He's just so excited. He loves it.
All about Charlie Ward. Okay, but yeah, Charlie Ward a
tremendous athlete. If he again, if you played in twenty
in the twenty twenties, Kyler Murray, he would have been
a number one overall pick like Kyler Murray. Guys like
him get drafted these days, but nineteen nineties that wasn't

(01:59:36):
the case. But number one on this list, of course
is Deon Sanders. He's, you know, best cornerback of all time,
so of course he's going to be number one. But yeah,
Ron Simmons among the greatest. If you talk about if
you would have put that list together back in nineteen
ninety one, it would have been Dion and then Ron Simmons. Okay,

(01:59:57):
there would have been no. I mean, Derek Quoks might
have been in there somewhere, but that's it, okay, because
none of those players that I listed here played before
Ron Simmons. Okay, he was like the first great Florida
State football player, like really good Florida State football player.
So yeah, at this point and still to this day,
absolute legend at Florida State. But it is now time

(02:00:17):
for the main event. No, not the Chamber of Cars.
It is for the w CW World Heavyweight Championship. It
is a two out of three falls match. It is
Ron Simmons going against Lex Luger without the big gold
belt because the big gold belt is with Vic Flair,
so they had to make a new belt, smaller, not
as impressive, but it's the world title, so it is

(02:00:41):
what it is, okay. One thing we got to talk
about right off top though. We talked about, Oh, there's
Cavin Grimes, he's on the road right now. But one
thing about we talked about Ricky Morton's hair, Richard Morton's
hair and his mullet. Okay, we gotta talk about some
we're here here though, we gotta talking about Ron Simmons

(02:01:02):
and his perm. Okay, because him and his perm came
to the ring with Dusty Rhodes.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
I don't know what was Ron Simmons going.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
For with this PEM.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
I don't get it. Halloween, man, Oh, that's why we
want my hair looking back like a white person. Halloween.
Damn it's Halloween.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
I guess that's what he was saying.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
But you got the Chamber of Ours on the same show.
You gotta do something special.

Speaker 1 (02:01:39):
I guess, I guess, I guess. So Ron Simmons comes
out with Dusty Rhodes, Lex Luger comes out. But before
he comes out, there's like all these people scurrying about
during his entrance and like in the curtain and stuff
like that. Like, what what y'all doing? Go sit down somewhere.
The world Champions about to come out for the main event.
Why is everybody here? Were they scrambling? Do they had

(02:02:02):
to put the letters up Luger, which are like just
pieces of like cardboard just set up around the stage. Luger?
Would they scrambl him because of that. I don't know, man,
it was just weird looking.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Man sloppy shot.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Oh it's Hella sloppy with Jim Hurd, hell is sloppy.
But Lex Luger he comes out with Harley racist manager
and gets his ass with pretty quick. Ron Simmons he
came out and got beat up, okay, and Ron Simmons
gets the first fall really quick on Lex Luger, right,

(02:02:40):
and I won't like it's rare to see a babyface
kind of get to jump on a heel like that.
And the two out of three falls match, if you're
gonna have to heal win or the babyface win, you
typically have him go down one. No, he comes back
and he gets a third fall. Well, obviously it's spoiler
the babyface does not win, but you still usually have
the babyface fight from behind in some way. And in
this match, he blew a one old lead like it

(02:03:03):
was up one oh, and lost t stra falls. Now
one of them wasn't his fault technically, but that still
happened to Ron Simmons. But we get to the ring
and we you know, get to the first fall, and
then in between during the RECTI period, we have dusty
roads in the ring as like Ron Simmons's corner man
giving him like pointers, right, And I kind of liked

(02:03:27):
this presentation. I'm not gonna lie. I like that I've
given credit for really trying hard or with the sports
like presentation they did it Before the match, they had
like the introductions, they got the people in the ring,
everybody's standing around, listen to the rules and stuff like that,
Like it felt like almost like a boxing match, felt
like a big fight atmosphere like they always, like Michael
Coleway said, it's like a big fight atmosphere, Like this
actually felt like it the way they kind of built it.

(02:03:49):
So I appreciated that amongst the nonsense of the creature
and the phantom and all this other stuff, I liked
what they attempted to do here. Okay, but back to
the match itself. With the second fall, Ron Simmons, he's
continuing his ass whooping on like Luger, but eventually because
Lex Luca, he not even stood up during the recipe it.

(02:04:11):
He just sat on the stool and was like, h
drunk on the stool. Okay, but Simmons he's whooping his ass,
but he makes a mistake, see or Luger really counters
Simmons right, he lets him fly out of the ring,
and that's when Luga gets his gets his groove back,
gets his win back, and he starts doing things. But
he essentially tricks the referee into thinking him and Holland

(02:04:34):
Race they tricked the referee and to thinking that Ron
Simmons tossed Lex Luger over the top rope, which at
this time NWCW was a disqualification, and I kind of
forgot about that until this moment that the NWA I
thought that was really again another just just n WA
thing I forgot that also went into early nineties WSW
where he couldn't toss a guy over the top rope,

(02:04:56):
but the way they did it here was actually kind
of clever. Where Ron Simmons is in the ropes, Lex
Luga's running toward him, but Lex Lugan kind of jumps
over Ron Simmons. Ron Simmons though he is held down
by Harley Race, making it look like I guess in theory,
Ron Simmons tossed Lex Luger over the top rope instead

(02:05:17):
of if he wasn't held down, I guess he would
have went with Lex Luger instead. He doesn't the referee
immediately calls for this qualification and now we're tied one
to one here in this match. Right, that's what Ron
Simmons said after that, Right, we hear from the corner

(02:05:39):
man again, Okay, Simmons complaining that he got poked in
the eye.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
Okay, it's like, why did he see it the first time?

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
My eyes swollen shut? And then what does Luga do?
As soon as the third fall starts? Punches him right
in the eye, right, okay. But then Simmons, he starts
haulking up and he's fighting back now okay, and he's
warning all coins of ass and then he's summoning the
powers of the ancestors and starts whooping all kinds of
as on Lex Luger. I mean, he's just going to

(02:06:11):
town on Lex Luga, right, So I wouldn't call it
talking up. He's summoning the power of the ancestors. That's
what I'm gonna call it, all right, Okay, the round
side of the ring, Lex Luger's leaned up against the
ring post and Ron Simmons hasn't set up for he
lines him in the three points stands. I guess its
gonna tackle him into the ring post. However, Lex Luga

(02:06:33):
moves out of the way and Ron Simmons bangs his
head against the ring post real hard. Lex Lug gets
him back in the ring, hits a pile driver, and
then pens Ron Simmons for the win to maintain the
WCW World Championship. And that's pretty much how we in

(02:06:55):
the show. I mean the renow just talk about it. Hey,
it's over. Too bad for Ron Simmons. Sucks for him.
He gave a hundred percent but he lost. They should
a fire They should have fireworks while people are leaving.

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
Yeah, I think they. You see like the aerial shot
and it almost looks like people are looking at the
entrance because they think something else is gonna happen because
of the fireworks. It's like, why the hell else would
you be shooting off fireworks if you weren't gonna introduce
somebody or something. So you saw some people like look
at the edge its way and wait instead of leave,
and the hell's going on?

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
Something that's got to happen here, right, Nothing else happened.

Speaker 2 (02:07:32):
I do like JR. And Tony going over what happened,
you know, like Pilman went into an all girl like
heavyweight title, Rick Rude return like or you know, debuting
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
So yeah, because that's usually how broadcasts end, like sporting
of it, they wrap up the night. WW just goes
off the air and AW does too, And I guess
in some respects it's like that Monday Night war mentality.
You gotta leave a clifphanger for the next week type
of thing. But you don't have to, especially for pay
per views, maybe not for TV. If we put pay
per views, I would not mind, like you, I would

(02:08:06):
not mind. They just wrap it up and like, hey,
this is what happened tonight, We'll see you all tomorrow.
But they don't do that. They just kind of linger,
They kind of see the end of the match or
whatever the angle is, and then they then they're done.
We move on. So but that is Halloween Havoc nineteen
ninety one. Nick, what are your thoughts final thoughts on

(02:08:30):
this yere show?

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
Swash hit the wrong? Sorry about that got them again? Sorry? Yeah,
definitely a ninety one show. It's definitely a ninety one
w W show, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
Yeah, ninety one w W for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
That it was It was rough, you know, it was
a Halloween havoc. It was cool, you know, having the
logo and everything on it, but definitely not on par
with exactly definitely not on par with mid the you know,
ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight, WCW at all so

(02:09:16):
chamber of pars. I mean, it's it's fun to watch
now because we're we're watching it for a reason and
to kind of dissect things. But if I was watching
ww as a kid back then, I probably would have
just been laying with the hell because it seemed like
WWF was everything made sense every week. They explained things

(02:09:37):
until things started changing in like ninety five, ninety six,
maybe even ninety four a little bit. But like when
I started watching in nineteen ninety to ninety one to
ninety two to ninety three, you know, like it definitely
felt a lot better show than this era of WCW.
So yeah, I mean, this is a perfect show that

(02:10:02):
encapsulates why someone by age back then, you know, five
six years old, seven, you know, didn't like ww because
of the presentation, because of the matches. They didn't really
mark it well enough, I guess the way WWF did.
So it's kind of like my big takeaway from it

(02:10:24):
is like many they didn't even make Lex Luger really
feel special. They made Ron Simmons feel more special because
of the video package.

Speaker 1 (02:10:31):
I don't know they did so they did all They
gave Lex Luga with them cardboard cutout letters and like
you said, Ron Simmons got the whole video package, he
got Dusty.

Speaker 2 (02:10:41):
Rhodes like yeah, and did still they win?

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
Like still didn't win? Well, still didn't win. And Lex
is in his ads what was in the match?

Speaker 2 (02:10:52):
Right? And I guess Ron would win it in ninety two, right,
but still summer of ninety two, right, so so always
away you know, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
That's Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety one. Since Simmons lost, what happened?

Speaker 2 (02:11:14):
The Savoc logo is so much better when the Halloween
is like straight font. When NXT uses the one from
WW ninety eight, where the Halloween font, it's kind of like, uh,
you know, a little crooked. I don't like that, In fact,
I hate it. So there's that mute yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
Whoops. I agree with you, though I don't like it either.
I was just looking at That's why I was mute
at myself. I was letting you talk. Then I was
look at the logo to see what it looked like,
and I agree with you. Yeah that fine. On top
of the Havoc part of the logo, the Halloween part
looks stupid. It I didn't realize that until you said something, Yeah, like, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (02:12:03):
It looks someone like me? You know, I pay attention
to that stuff, And it's now that I noticed it.
I noticed it when NXT brought it back, but I
wasn't like, you know, this particular about it. But now
I just don't like it. I don't like the Halloween
look it that way, the Halloween with the straight fine
and it's more Boulder a little bit. It looks so

(02:12:24):
much better on top of Havoc that way. So I
don't know why they don't just use you know, that type.

Speaker 1 (02:12:30):
Of logo for an next They got to do it
their way.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
Unbelievable. Let's see what, uh you know, they have the
war games logo, which I don't mind, you know when
NX used it. Let's see what they do with the
Rivors series coming up with war games. You know, I'm
excited for that. You know, we might have to now
do some war Games matches in November instead of.

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
Hey, let's do it he already did we already did yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
Seven, I think we did. Ninety six, ninety seven I
think we didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:13:01):
So remember doing ninety eight? Was that one perfect turned
on four Horse?

Speaker 2 (02:13:06):
No, that was ninety seven. Ninety eight was up the
three when the three teams with DDP one and all that,
But that might have been two years ago when we
started doing the deep dives off to go back to
the archives. But yeah, man, the War.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
Games matches, Yeah, let's do it. Let's do uh. I
think there's the War Games with Pon News in it.
We should do that one. So yeah, yeah, we should
definitely do it. But that's for a later episode at
the later time. And it's time though, to wrap up
this episode.

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