REWIND: WCW Halloween Havoc '94 Deep Dive

HALLOWEEN HAVOC REWIND!It was Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair in a Steel Cage Retirement match... ALREADY. Hogan had debuted for WCW in June that prior year and they're already blowing it off. Oh, WCW.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now it's time for a Halloween Havoc flashback. Ready
to deep dive into Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, love, don't doubt that, boolah, boolah, boolah.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'll take that, ye do it. I'll take it as
a yes.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hey, listen, like you guys didn't hear our aw Dynamite
live commentary, but I used it plenty. So don't you
frets that is not going away anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
We got a lot to put out there in this episode,
is a lot to talk about. Yes, you're in Halloween
Havoc nineteen ninety four, which took place October twenty third,
nineteen ninety four, So we're ten days shy of the
whatever that be. Twenty seventh anniversary of this show. The
show took out, Yeah, Yeah, twenty seventh anniversary. The show

(01:07):
took place at Joe Louis Areena and Detroit, Michigan, home
of the former home I just said of the Detroit
Red Wings. There were fourteen thousand people in attendance and
could according to good old Wikipedia, which is never not
once let us down, they were Apparently, according to Wikipedia,
there were exactly fourteen thousand people in the building on
the news not one person over one person less, Nope,

(01:31):
fourteen zero zero zero. The tagline for this show witnessed
a terrifying rage and the cage, and it's like, did
they used It's kind of something similar for fall Brawl,
like later.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
On they just they just put a little twist on
it and they went to the world a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah they did it, just like that's the last thing
they did when promoting a show. So already come up
with a tag like, damn, I knew we forgot something.
We got a cage match, somewhat raged in the terrifying
rates in cage. All right, go ahead, get out of there,
get on out of here. So get on out of
here with that one. They don't care about that. This
show takes place four months after at the Hulk Hogan

(02:13):
signs with World Championship Wrestling, which of course was a
massive deal, not just in professional wrestling at the time,
but in pro sports. We forget that, you know, we
kind of used Hogan as a punchline these days, and
we you know, I think most people recognize that he
was indeed a big star, but he wasn't. He was
more than just a big wrestling start. He transcended pro wrestling.
Hulk Hogan. I'm sure him signing with w W probably

(02:35):
made ESPN or something like that. Like they had a
whole parade for this man at Disney World. They had
a parade at Disney World for him signing with W'SW.
You know what I'm saying. Like he's in the car
and there's confetti getting shot off and Mickey Mouse and
all this stuff. For Hawk Hogan signing with w CW.

(02:56):
He signed a contract during a parade, bro Like, big deal,
big deal. But on this night he is in a
retirement matchup. His career could end so soon at designing
with WCW. No, my god, He's going up against the

(03:17):
nature Boy Rick Flair for the World Headweight Championship in
a cage. This is the rage in the case they
were talking about in a tag line, and the stipulation
is whoever loses has to retire. Kind of weird that
this happened pretty much. Kind of weird that they did
this so soon because he just got there, so you

(03:39):
know what was going to happen, Hogan a retiring, somebody
else is retiring, and Rick Flair knew this. He didn't
like the retirement stipulation. Apparently, according to Eric Bischoff.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, I heard they just recently did ninety four or
Halloween Havoc on eighty three weeks, and he has said
that was convinced that it was a backhanded way to
kind of try and push him out of w CW.
And listen, if I was Rick Flair, I think I
would think the same thing. I would agree, like bringing
Hogan and then all of a sudden, like you have
one match with him and then three months later you're

(04:14):
anover retirement match against like what, That's that's pretty quick.
So I don't blame Flair for why feeling like.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
That, right, I don't blame at all neither. They were
apparently renegotiating Ric Flair's contract leading up to the show,
including up to the day of the show, and Bischoff
said he wasn't even sure that Flair is want to
sign until the day of. But the retirement stipulation is
kind of weird as it was because again, Flair had

(04:42):
probably you know, he had a right to feel like
weird about it, Like great, wait a second, you know,
all of a sudden, two in comes Ogan with Brutus beefcake.
He comes in with the Nasty Boys, Jimmy Hart and
out goes the door goes Ric Flair in Like I

(05:02):
guess they was like, hey, we need to give him
a break because he can't just lose a Hogan all
the time. He is still Ric Flair, you know. But
that is kind of weird. But the retirement stipulation, hey
man drew my honey apparently drew more than two million
dollars is the second biggest WSW payper view of all

(05:25):
time to this point, behind, of course, Bashed at the
Beach earlier in ninety four, which was haul Cogan's debut
on w's w pay per view, which also was against
Ric Flair. Ww went straight to Hogan and Flair, which
was smart even know WWF didn't do that. For some reason.
WW is like, we're not wasting any time. Let's do
it now, Let's do it twice, right, Let's do it

(05:45):
twice one where we can't do it again, apparently because
one has to retire. I think this was Hogan's first
title defense in WSWS that.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I don't remember, if I guess
technical he was technically going to I don't know if
that title was defended at the Class of the Champions
in August. Technically it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I didn't. I don't remember seeing.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
That, okay, so oh yeah that was when you know,
he got hit in the leg and they did the
whole Tanya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Oh so we're going to talk about that later.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, so I know. You know what's funny is I
think I watched that live, that Class of the Champions,
but I did not tape it, and I will say
one of those byes for Halloween. Havoc ninety four was
the pecone Household. That was the first WCW pay per view.
I think my mom ordered and I taped it, So
I had an on VHS for a long long time

(06:34):
until I I'm pretty sure I taped like a two
thousand rawl over top of it.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I did not have the original VHS that I taped,
but I watched it a lot because it was Hogan
and Flair and I remember those from WWF and stuff.
So it was very interesting in the pocone Household, our
first WCW pay per view that was ordered.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, this is a good time to ask you then,
since you're bringing it up, when were your alife in
the fall I guess of nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
So October ninety four, I had just turned nine and
I was in I just started my fourth grade year,
so I think, you know what, it was a banner
year for me. In fourth grade, I got my glasses
for the first time. Okay, well, I see that's probably it.
I remember my teacher was very mad at me because

(07:23):
I used to write really tiny, and it was just
like I didn't know, you know, I guess I was stubborn,
like I wasn't purposely doing it to make people mad,
but that's just how I wrote. And she would ask
me to write bigger and I just wouldn't do it
because I don't know if I was like capable of
doing it. So I probably gave my teacher's a lot
of headaches that year. But yeah, in October ninety four,

(07:46):
I was, I guess I was. It might have been
you know, we will talk about The Guardian Angel on here,
and I think maybe that was. My sister was somehow
watching it. I don't remember watching Saturday night. She ran
in my room, came and got me be like Big
boss Man's on TV and it was like Saturday night
and I was like, wait, WWF's not on tonight, so

(08:09):
we went. It was WCW Saturday Night and he was
there as the Guardian Angel, and I think I probably
saw a lot of Hogan flair build up for Halloween havocs.
So that's kind of what got me into wanting this
pay per view and the first It wasn't the first
WCW event I saw or even taps, but it was
the first pay per view that my mom ordered from WCW.

(08:29):
So it holds a special place in my heart.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
When it comes to your teachers yelling at you by
writing small, tell them to get some better by vocals in.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Well, I'm not disrespectful, so that's.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
What you should have said, I need better glasses.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I'll give you a magnifying glass and you could read it.
There you go, well, thank you. But yeah, it was funny.
I kind of just did it, and it took me.
I think I did it for the whole year, like
I tried to do it. I remember the teacher actually
asking my parents to have be right bigger because I
mean she was an older lady, my fourth grade teacher.

(09:07):
And now I understand, you know, like the issue that
shit bad us. Yeah, so but and this was a grade.
Fourth grade. We didn't really switch teachers for subjects, so
we were in like one classroom pretty much the whole
day and for multiple subjects. So yeah, that was the
only teacher that I really great at my stuff, So

(09:28):
it became it definitely became an issue. But I don't
know if it was an issue in October ninety four,
but fourth grade, that's kind of what I remember the most.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Well. I was only five years old in the year
nine ninety four, so I don't remember a whole lot.
Like I was just five. I was watching nineteen ninety
four WWF. I was not watching nineteen eety four WSW
at this point. And that's about it. I don't remember anything.
I was five years old, just starting in kindergarten. I guess,

(10:00):
you know, Canadian, I might have gotten glasses for that
same year as well. I might have gotten glasses the
same year. I'm pretty sure I had glasses when I
was in kindergarten or I just just got to either
kindergarten the first grade I got glasses, So pretty much
my whole life I've had glasses. So that's where I
was nineteen ninety four, Uh, not much to speak of. There.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
So back to Halloween Having nineteen ninety four. We started
off with a I thought it was a bad video package,
highlighting Hogan versus Flairs, like this is the best match
of all time, and that's the video package I've put together.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Let's let's listen to it.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Background Halloween Hell that gus on there.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
That was bad. Yeah, I get them to you talking
with Gene Oakland just talking in the background. It's like,
what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
With that hype background music? Right?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I felt like dancing and I feel like this is
gonna be a fight breakout. It was weird. It's not good,
not a good w W.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Eric Bischoff definitely production savvy at that point.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I mean, it wasn't awful. It was just that video
was bad. I didn't didn't like the video, But what
I did like was Muhammad Ali is in the front
row as we kick off the broadcast, and make sure
to show him right away. Right, He's in the front
row for Halloween Havoc in Detroit, Joe Louis, Aerena and
Tony Shavanni, George said, George, Jeane Oakland and Bobby Heenan

(12:04):
wearing a neck brace or on the call, uh for
Halloween having Bobby Heena talked about all of the illustrious
things came out of Detroit, Uh, you know, talked about
you know, the Pistons and all the sports teams and
all the stuff to come out of Detroit, Motown, all
that stuff. And then Oakland threw in for whatever reason,

(12:24):
that Nancy Kerrigan got the hit with a police baton
and the knee at Cobo Hall and Detroit. It's like,
it's like, yeah, that happened too. It's like that wasn't
a great thing.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, he interrupted Bobby. Bobby was on a roll and then.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just had like yeah, and that baton had Nacy carry
his knae ha, how about that? What which was that
Cobo Hall again? I think? Which which is where Halloween
havoc was the next year? I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I don't know either, but I know it's in Detroit, so.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, I might be wrong about that either way, but yeah,
that did happen. In January of next ninety four. Nancy Kerrigan,
who was a very successful figure skater, uh, you know,
top of her game. In next ninety four, She's at
I think Nationals or something like that she's at an event.
She's just going on, the mind of her business, and

(13:18):
then some guy wax her on the knee with a
police baton and like destroys her knee. Just minding my
own business, damn pretty much. I don't know. I don't
know where that came from. It's pretty funny though.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
It was on my sudboard and I have like a
thing for it. But it must have been an interview,
like a TV interview for a satellite news outlets.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
But of course there's a the infamous clip of Nancy
Kragan on the floor just crying her eyes out, going
why Like I mean really, it was like damn, like
why would somebody do that? And the cameras are catching
her crying because this is a career, it's her livelihood,
this is what she works so hard for, and just
somebody just comes up and does that, you know, vicious attack?

(14:06):
Wild what sick person would do her competition who wanted
to eliminate her? Wow, So it wasn't just like a
rogue person. It was Tanya Harding and her husband orchestrated
this attack to hide someone who flipped on him eventually
and told everybody, Yo, they hired me to do it,
and Tyer Harding has been a disgraced personality, celebrity what

(14:29):
ever you want to call her ever since.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, she's apparently on those True TV World's Most Stummats
whatever she's been, they have her on there, and she's
listed as a comedian, so she doesn't stand up for
comedy like I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
She's done like celebrity boxing and all kinds of weird
stuff because she's tiny, your hearting and terrible, terrible. That's
a terrible thing to do. Yes, really, yes, that's awful.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
And I remember the video, like you were saying, or
she's on the ground crying, like why, And I remember
seeing on the news just not understanding. I was you
said that happened in January, so I hadn't even turned
nine yet, so I was like eight years old, and
I'm just like, what is going on? Like why is
this a big deal? Still not understanding what certain things
were in the world, and so I was.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Could did you imagine if that happened today and like
the just the media circus that was surround that and
social media would be on fire, not necessarily in a
good way. Yeah, but I don't know if it would
be It would be I can see like so many
debates and think pieces and just debates and just ooh

(15:41):
social media would be just crazy.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, here's why something.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
That happened today, it'd be wild. Bro. Yeah, but yeah
that was a crazy thing that It's funny. The attacker,
the person who actually committed the crime, asks later for
the attack to be removed from his record so that
he could join the Navy Seals, like the gall did
you do it? You did? Then with stand on your

(16:07):
record and it's like request denied, bam, so he could
join the Navy Seals. They were like, what, bro, what
are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Man?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Exactly? Why was I even like considered what the privilege?
You know, I would have joined the Navy six and
you just removed this heinous crime like committed for my
record so I can do this.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
No, he walked into court and was like that and.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
He's like, yes, you did, so get out bro, get
a get a job.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
They played the Offspring song why don't you get a job,
although it wasn't out like that, but go out there.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
We're construction to something. Do something with your hands. I
don't know, something else with your hands, right, but not
this because use a sucker for that. That was That
was bizarre, Bobby Heenan. Then after talking about all the
good things that came out of the Troy professed his

(17:10):
love for Ric Flair, not surprising, and then they promoted
nine hundred number for the first time. It won't be
the last time. I just know that. But at this
point they had Sting being interviewed on the hotline for
the show. Then so the show, there's no matches yet,
there's still a lot going on. Then we'll get the

(17:33):
national anthem before Halloween havoc. Because when I think Halloween havoc,
I think America. Okay, before you do Halloween havoc, you
gotta celebrate old glory America. Who better to do that
than T. Graham Brown. What that's a real name apparently,

(17:57):
which I had never heard of until I watch Halloween
Have ninety four.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Sounds like a dessert, I guess Graham cracker crusts with
like fudge brownie or something.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I just know that I'm not in the country music,
So to some people, T. Grand Brown might be like
a legend. It might be a goat. Like my mind,
Rushmore got T. Graham Brown and Conway Twitty and everybody else,
Garth Brooks and Kenny Chesney. That's all I know. I
know a lot. Actually, that's pretty good. You got Dick Bentley,

(18:34):
I know him. Uh, Brad Paisley. He's a guy, right,
who's a guy in the nationwide commercials with Peyton Manning.
Uh that Brad Paisley.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Maybe I don't pay nearly enough attention to some of
the commercials, so.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I don't know. Then you have the guy who's on
the voice.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, I don't watch that.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I can't remember his name on the top of my head.
Uh McGraw, h Tug McGraw's son, Tim McGraw.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
T is he to remember?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
There you go?

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
But t Graham Brown. He is now sixty six years old,
but he's still torn. Man, Okay, he's still torn. He's
out here and he sells iced tea and lemonade on
his website. You know what, you want to know?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
What?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
It's called te iced tea?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Gram No, and that would be like that would be fitting.
But no, it's called hill Billy. Two words, that's the
name of the iced tea. Yes, hill Billy, hill space Billy.
And his touring dates. I don't think any of his
concerts take place above the Mason Dixon line. I looked up,

(19:59):
so but T grand Brown said, law, here he had
he's had, Yeah, he's had three number one songs on
the country charts, three all of them in the nineteen eighties.
But he was a big deal. Apparently held high Water
a classic.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Question, mark, are you talking about? I'm just I don't know.
I honestly don't know what I'm talking about. That's why
I'm asking don't go to strangers, which sounds like an
after school special, not a country song. But okay, that's
the good advice to follow. Don't strange with danger, don't
go to strangers, that's true. And the last song is Darling,

(20:43):
Oh boy, Darling.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
So I'm sure it was about his love. Maybe, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I'm sure. But T grand Brown on GB not to
be slept on in the country music circles. Country music fans,
if you're listening out there, if you have any if
we have any country music fans listening, tell us like
T grand Brown, like see dope? Is he he liked that?

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Like?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I want to know.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
I would like to know too.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I went to his website and everything, so I got
to know if he liked that. Like I looked him up. Man,
m gotta do some research. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
a sad life I live. I guess.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, it's funny because I mean, both of us kind
of research other things. We don't necessarily tell each other
like what we're researching, uh here and there. So it's
just funny that you looked at him up and I
didn't even have the inself.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Think about it. I don't give it damn about Brown
moving on from t Graham Brown touch to a real
country singer and honky Tonk man.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Speaking of Witch, Oh that was crazy.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Oh my god, you guy of an on beat? Is
that wrest six?

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Is that he was this new song? Yeah, so him
and Greg Valentine.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, you remember, I told you WrestleMania six was the
first show, like I ever watched wrestling show and seeing that,
and I remember listening to that song years later when
I was like a teenager and stuff, and I was like,
oh my god, I remember this and I didn't remember
that it was from WrestleMania six. So that's been like
one of my favorite like wrestling songs in history, like

(22:52):
because it was such a huge part of when I
started watching wrestling that it's stuck in my crawl forever now.
So it's a favorite I have.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Is Honky talk Man is still the longest raining icy
champion of all time?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I think he is. I think he's the longest reigning
Intercontinental champion of all time, of all time, real all time.
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's something maybe I can look up.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
So, yeah, we looked that up, but I'm pretty sure
he is. That's but on this night, you look it up.
But on this night, Yeah, apparently he was. Yeah, see
on this night though, he's challenging Johnny be Bad for
the ws W World Television Championship. H I you know

(23:42):
I've mentioned Honky talk Man is a good country singer.
Tony Shavanni did not agree. He clowned Honky talk for
his lack of talent. He was singing and guitar jealous.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Apparently, Hockey talk Man held the Interconinmental title for four
hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Four days, well over a year.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I cannot believe that's still a record.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, I mean, who hell's hold the ice tittle for
over a year. Nobody's doing that, and he probably only
lost it because of ultimate Warrior, who knows how long
he would have had it. But Johnny b Bad comes
out with fangs on because you know it's Halloween. Yeah,

(24:26):
it's part of the Havoc. I guess it's put things
in your mouth? Uh what, it's part of the Havoc.
You put thangs in your mouth? So what the Havoc
and Halloween.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Havoc fangs or fangs? Fangs like not bangs things bangs gs?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
No? Like yeah no, no fangs f A n G s.
Speaking of fangs, though, Tony Shiavan has had a thing
about Halloween Havoc, calling it the biggest night in our
in our sport, which is like, come on, bro, it
was right. Retirement Star Kaid was two months later. Isn't

(25:12):
that supposed to be the bigger show?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Not Eric Fischel in that time frame.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's true. He had the retirement match between two of
the biggest stars of all time.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
You doan havoc, do Hogan player versus Hogan and Brutus,
and which one's supposed to be bigger?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
What was the what was starkade.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
That Hogan and the Zodiac because that was when you know,
spoiler alert, brother Brute I turned on Hogan in this uh,
and then.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You need to tell me in the main event of
starkad it was Hawk Hogan versus the Butcher.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Oh, the Butcher. That's right about the zodiac. Yet he
wasn't the zodiac.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
He was the on Wikipedia now for the World Championship,
that's the main event of stark.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I want to talk about micro managing and you'll you'll
hear you know, you watch this androbably have a clip
of it for later. But as soon as Brutus is
revealed as the one who attacked Hogan, Bobby Heteron, that
guy has butchered a friendship and boom, like you're talking
about micromanaging like a commentary, you'll you hear it right
after this match. So the Bischoff was just as bad

(26:17):
ascent Man was or is so yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Ogan the Butcher almost killed ws W bro like he
brought in all his homies. I didn't. I forgot to
mention Jim Duggan earlier too, brought in Jim Duggan. We're
gonna talk about him a little bit and just what
they did mm hm hmmm for both companies, right, not
just WWF. Peoplen't talk about w W having not so

(26:42):
great business even without Hogan until the nWo started off.
But Hogan came and was like, hey, let's do this stuff.
And it was like big trash for like two years
until Hall and that showed up. We're gonna talk about
the next year is Halloween, have it next week, and
we talk about the Monster Truck match, which is just
such an abomination that we can't It's something you can't

(27:04):
turn away from. It's it's just that big of a
train rat.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I think it's your guiltiest of pleasures.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
And yeah, and wrestling for sure. Yeah, like it's a
sight to behold if you haven't watched it yet. But
back to Halloween Havoc. One of John to be Basketballs
devastating moves in this match wasn't a drop kick on
an elbow drop. It was messing up Honky tonk Man's hair.
Honk konk Man just couldn't take it. Oh no, Jesus, no,

(27:31):
don't do it. I quick, I gave him up. He
didn't do that though, but instead they had a time
limit draw.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, because ten.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Minutes on pay per view too, time limit draw. It
was a good match, just decent, but uh, time limit
draw because for the TV tidle. I figure you wouldn't
do the time lem to draw on pay per view, though,
but that's what they did. I'm not sure they went
after that, but I feel like, did you really have
to do the time limit draw text anyone here? You
could have just beat Honky talk Man like it's all right,

(28:04):
like like you have intentions to make Honky tnk Man
the top guy. I don't think so, so beat him
and let Johnny be Bad get a big win, Like
why do we What's what's going on here? So I
don't know if you remember what happened after this, I
do not.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I do not. You could have beat him in nine
and a half minutes if you want to give him
that much time, right, Like Johnny be Bad was the champ,
so all right, let but.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Johnny be Bad is a newer, younger you know, we're
exciting talent. Let him beat Honky tonk Man, like all right,
protect Honky tonk Man? Really all right?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Pretty much?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Okay, you know that was odd. I did like though,
how to ring announce to count it down when the
time was running out. So that's a nice little touchdown.
I've talked about a couple of weeks ago when we
did a W's Grand Slam and at that time limit
draws like it had been better if the ring announce
it was counting down five minutes remaining two minutes' you

(29:00):
know the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
That's good, but if you're doing like the seconds like
five or three to one, it's kind of distracting.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I don't know, I don't think it. I think it
just asked you urgent see bye Ford and everybody in
the crowd knows like time is running out. So now
they were like up and they're like, oh, what's gonna happen?
And then I get it.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah we up.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Geez Sorry.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Gary Michael Copetta our friend of the show.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Right and the hockey talk Man I was loved, like
Gary Michael Copetti's cadence and how you announce people.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yes, that was good. Never announced.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
The hug hogand that's how I imagine it would have sounded.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. Nky talk man
tried to attack you Gotta be Bad after the match,
but didn't work out. You got to be Bad thwarted
him and we move on to a video package just show.
We had a lot of video packages before the matches.
Every match had like an in depth story that they
prepared in the video package.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Watch of short matches and I think that's that's true.
Too played into.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
It, but everything had like a story that they had
to recap before the match. They didn't just like just
go to the ring. But this particular video package is
going back to Clash with the Champions Hogan and Flair,
and Hogan was attacked by a mass man before the
world title match. So they did schedule a world title
match for that show, but it never happened, even though

(30:30):
I guess it did happen, I don't know. Hogan wrestled
anywhere apparently, and then multiple massmen attacked Hogan during the match.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I remember him coming down the aisle like holding the belt,
acted like he was going to forfeit it, so I
don't know, maybe they uh was in the ring, He's like, yeah,
give the.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Belt.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
That didn't happen because Holgen was a true American.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Hero exactly exactly there. But worse than that, though, even
worse than mass men beating up Hogan was Mister t.
He was seen with Ric Flair coming out of Michael
George's restaurant in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Whose side is he on?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Whose side? Is he on? Three questions? Marks is literally
what I just wrote, but not what I just wrote,
but what I wrote, you know for this, uh speaking
of Michael Jordan though you see, you know this is
a couple of weeks ago now, but uh, his racing
team led by Bubba Wallace, won their first race in

(31:36):
NASCAR a couple of weeks ago. But last week, I think, cool,
there you go, first, Bubba Wallace, the first black man
to win the NASCAR race in since like the sixties.
Really yeah before you might have won one. Well, first
one to win on the top circuit, I should say,
I'm sure he's one on the lower circuits.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, I'm not a racing buff, so fair enough.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
But you know, you still know that the whole lot
of brothers and NASCAR Bubble Wallace.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Last year too when it came right.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Him, so he won, so kudos and Bubble Wallace hat
tipped to him. Go for Michael Jordan supporting a good
brother with some with some money. So that's really and racing.
You see it in NASCAR, even Formula one. I've gotten
a little bit more on the Formula one with the
Netflix show they got I haven't watching.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Like is everything on Netflix?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, where have you been? Nick? On Netflix too?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Paramount plus Netflix.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
But a lot of times the differences who has the
most money so they can buy the best equipment and
get the best people to run, you know that best
technicians run to get the best pit crew and all that.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
So like uh real like reality, yeah, oh cool?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
No, no, no, this was this is reality, but like
not only it's like documentary styleist episode. So it's pretty
much like in depth behind the scenes on like the
F one, the Formula one on season you know. So
this that Moving on w World Tag Team Championship, it's

(33:20):
pretty wonderful Paul Roman representing the pretty I guess versus
the late great mister wonderful Paul Ondworff going up against
and challenging Stars and Stripes consisting of Marcus Alexander Bagwell
and the Patriot Dale Wilkes, also late also passed on.

(33:44):
I should say that's a better way to say it.
He's passed on as well, Patriot Del Wilkes U. Two
pretty wild duos, in my opinion, not what I was
expecting from a Tag Team Championship match at Halloween Havoc,
including the fact that Stars and stripes, we worth a champions.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Like hmm, yeah, okay, I do not remember much of that,
not at all period.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Got one guy in the mask and the other guys
doesn't you know, but they're patriotics. It doesn't matter. I
guess they're for America.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I just remember what I was nine, and I was like,
why does Like I I understood if both on a
tag team both guys wear a mask. I was like, okay,
like that makes sense, but like if one did and
one didn't, I was like, what sense does that make?
Especially if they're like a babyface team, Like why is
one person hide in their face? Like I never understood
that as a kid, and I've never really heard anything

(34:35):
growing up that makes me understand it now as an adult.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
So it's just why did the patriots? Why did the
patriot wear a mask? To begin with? I don't when
I think patriotism, I think a Luca mask. Yeah, not
only a Luca mask. I still, well, I guess a
mask comprom I mean I guess right, Yeah, I mean
I don't know, but they're popular the more population, liber
more prevalent down here than Yeah, they're in American wrestling,
that's for sure. I don't know who creates what, but

(34:58):
I'll say that much.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's you know, that was where he got his break,
Like he was in either Mexico or Japan and wearing
a mask and then he decided to keep it.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Who knows whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I do not know his career trajectory. I just remember
it being very weird for a team that was well
liked by the fans to have one un mask to
one mask. That was just like, this doesn't make sense.
But I'm eight years old. Maybe I don't understand things.
Maybe I understood plenty of I understood that was stupid.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Uh pretty wonderful worked over Bagwell, And it was odd
for me to see, you know, Bagwell as like this
young white meat babyface. Yeah, even though I know this existed.
You know, he had a tag team with two cool
scorpio and this and all that, but and he was
like a high flyer, but it's still just odd. I'm
used to seeing him the stupid top hat, the stupid haircut,

(35:50):
the stupid smile, the stupid shades, the stupid music, and
just being stupid goofy buff Bagwell. Yep, but here he
is as the babyface selling taking the heat and attempt
to make the hot tag to the Patriot, So there's that.
Bobby Heenan during the match said that no one was
going to shower after the matches because they all wanted

(36:12):
to watch the main event. That sounds like very poor hygiene.
I feel like if you were Johnny be Bad and
Honky tunk Man, you had plenty of time to take
a shower. Yeah, are people taking three hour showers? I
would hope not. That's just a waste of water. That's

(36:33):
a long shower. There's a lot of water being wasted
if you're in there for multiple hours. So yeah, go
go wash your asses. If y'all didn't, I don't know
why y'all wouldn't. Yeah, all the time in the world.
I'm sure they got multiple showers at Joe Louis Arena,
so you would watch as Yeah, I think I would
assume the Red Wings didn't want to just use one shower.

(36:54):
You know, you think Steve Steve Wiseman Ya, how do
you say? I said Wiseman stupid everybody's name.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
He should have just made his spelling differently to help everyone.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah. Yeah, but you think Steve Eisman wanted to just
he's one shower? Or who else said Nicholas Listrom right,
who else the hes the Federal Office on those teams
back in the day, Brendan Shanahan dropping look bro nineties
hockey for some reason, I just remember guys in like
the nineties. I don't I can't tell you who's in
the Red Wings today, not one player, but those Red

(37:33):
Wings teams were dope in the nineties. Let's not forget dat.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Flyers in ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
So yeah, that was unfortunate that they said the last
time with the jersey on William Penn. Yeah, for those.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Who don't know, the funny thing is they did the
Phi they put the Phillies out on him in ninety
three and I remember that.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Exactly and we lost the series. So those don't know,
if you're not familiar with Philly, we have, of course
city Hall and William Penn set the top City Hall,
the statue of William Penn on top of City Hall
and at for a long time that was the highest
point in the city. And apparently there was like a
quote unquote CURTI so that or was it there. We
wouldn't to win sports championships if we built skyscrapers higher

(38:13):
than William Penn, which we definitely did because we were
a major city. And then another curse is that we
would whenever a team was in there, like the Championship,
so World Series or Stanley Cup, super Bowl, whatever, they
would put a jersey, a massive jersey on William Penn
and then the team would inevitably lose, and so they
stopped doing that. At a certain point It's like, gotta

(38:35):
stop doing this. And it kind of worked out like
we won were serious No. Eight. We won the super
Bowl in twenty It took a couple of tribes, but
we're going to super Bowl in twenty seventeen, so eventually
it worked out. So maybe there was something to that.
I don't know. Maybe maybe how do we get on that?

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
We talked about that, Oh, red Wings, right, red Wings
range showers Louis Arena, because Bobby Heenan mentioned that no
one was going to shower after the matches. But speaking
of nineties hockey, hockey is back on ESPN, and I
thought about the NHL on ESPN theme music classic theme music,

(39:14):
by the way, I don't know if you can recall that.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I don't, and I would have I would have clipped
it up.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Oh man, the hockey music on ESPN is probably it was.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
I don't know, I can't probably I think I mixed
the phillies in there.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I don't know how. I don't know how you did that,
but you probably know it when you'll know it when
you hear it. But it's probably the second best, my
second favorite personally like sports TV theme music, behind of
course Round Round Ball Rock, NBA NBC theme which is

(39:57):
on ESPN music. It's the second best, and then then
maybe third is like NFL Fox music. But come back
for another episode of about my sports theme songs rankings.
I'll get to that another episode. But uh, this match
was was a thing. I mean, there you go. Come on, man, Yeah,

(40:20):
that makes me want to watch hockey right now.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Like boom voice goes straight with that is Gary Thorn,
Gary Thorne and Bill Clement, Man, I.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Used to the used to I used to have a
game where they had to add the music in the
in the game is dope.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I actually used to record Flyers games on ESPN just
because Gary Thorn and Bill Clement were on.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
They were incredible and they used to do they do
the sports games.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah dope.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
That like again, like why do I remember that? It
wasn't even like the biggest hockey fan, like I was
a football kid. But I remember Gaythorne and Bill Clement
and NHL on the ESPN and that song. Apparently I
watched a lot more hockey than I remember, and I
remember these players. I just named like three lines worth
the Red Wings players on the nineties. It doesn't make

(41:15):
any sense, okay, but that's just nostalgic. Director like I
just like in NHL ABC was it was all right,
you know what I'm saying, But that's something about that
music just makes me want to watch hockey. I just
don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.
NHR NBC music wasn't bad. The presentation wasn't bad necessarily,

(41:39):
but that ESPN music man, wow, chef's kiss on that
he didn't said the Bobby Heenan that is said that
because of the fact that everybody was going to be

(41:59):
watching the main event, you know it's gonna be a
curtain cell out as they call it. That Gene Oakland
was gonna be backstage going through everyone's bags. So that's
pretty funny. But the match yourself, things break down while
the ref was trying to get Goofy ass Patriot out
of the ring because he was just in the ring

(42:20):
for some reason what was supposed.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
To if it was a w they were like, all right,
you're good.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, you're good, but not back in the day because
they're rules Badwell hits his finish. However, Paul Romer hits
him in the chest with an elbow from the top
rope while the ref wasn't looking, allowing Orndorf to pin
him and reclaim the titles. So yeah, pretty wonderful. Were
the champs lost the stars and stripes but got them
back on this night? So new World Tag Team Champions.

(42:49):
Pretty wonderful And I'm glad that's over. Pretty glad that's over.
Moving on, we're backstage with Gene Oakland, who was not
going through someone's bags.

Speaker 8 (43:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
He is with Rick Flaan Stational Sherry. They cut a
promo and they will get the video package. Was that
I have that much?

Speaker 8 (43:11):
Tony Chevanni, I am back of the locker room area
with the perennial Yes, matter of fact, eleven times w
c W heavyweight chaking. He is the nature boy Rick Bear.
He is of course accompanied by Censer with Sherry. I
don't know if she can keep a lid on it
or not, Flair, but this has gotta be the biggest
night of your career.

Speaker 9 (43:30):
My god, Well she can keep a lid on it,
but she doesn't have to see we're already planning rate
a celebration.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
And why not where the so called number one in
the wrestler of all time, the governing body, the man
that's made it all happen, is no longer going to
be with us.

Speaker 9 (43:54):
You see, hogant that you and the entire preview world,
O Colgan, Tonight it.

Speaker 10 (44:04):
Comes to an end courtesy whoo of this limousin right kids,
stealing wheeling, stealing jet flying son of a gun that.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Just happens to be the greatest wrestler of all time.
Don't you get it?

Speaker 10 (44:26):
Don't look at the videos, don't look at old taste,
look at what's happening today.

Speaker 9 (44:32):
My butt, your butt, it's on the line too. Of
us walk out up, two of us getting a ring,
two of us battle.

Speaker 10 (44:45):
One of us walks out, unquestionably, un deliably the greatest
of all time.

Speaker 9 (44:52):
The other one get out of here.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Brother, it's in the it's into the sunset. It's gone.
It's history. It's no more.

Speaker 10 (45:02):
Now do I just the Queen. Do we look like
we're ready for the history book?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
No, Queen, have we got a game plan?

Speaker 7 (45:12):
We got a game playing a ready price right up,
like that's right by the nature bar.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
The Queen in just a few hours.

Speaker 8 (45:30):
Sign whoa, and I thank you very much since you
sharing in the nature of boy.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Very confident.

Speaker 8 (45:37):
Now at the eleventh hour, let's get back to Tony
and body.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Inside, we'll just keep wooing.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
They had tremendous chemistry right way. And I know everybody
loves to talk about flat this promo ability and ya
YadA YadA, But since chational, Sherry was just that she
was sensational.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yes, like, well, like how you did that?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I'll be all right with words sometimes there you go.
But she really was. That wasn't the scripted. She was
just playing off her flare and it just went perfect.
She made it happen. And meanwhile, you know they're all
got the good chemistry going, and you know they're feeling
that they're feeling good. Meanwhile, we got a video package
box sucker ass hult Cogan making David Sullivan turn on

(46:21):
his own brother. Yeah, Kevin Sullivan's evil. Yeah, he's kind
of a piece of garbage, But damn it, that's David
Sullivan's brother. And here's Hogan literally whispering of Dave Sullivan's
e like, hey, hey, hey brother, Hey, he's I'm the
real brother. Brother brother, he's not your brother, brother, come

(46:43):
join me, brother, turn on your brother brother. What a
trash human being making him turn on his own brother.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
That's crazy. I forgot about that too. Sullivan is literally
dressing like Hall Cogan and looks like Hall Cocher, and
I was like, wait a second, is that I'm thinking
it's really Hall Cogan's brother because I'm watching eight years
old and I'm like, oh, they look alike. They Paul
Cogan probably has a brother, and they brought him to
CW because he wasn't in WWF.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Only hal Cogan would think of an idea like this,
This is his idea. How about I have somebody who's
just my biggest fan and that's their character, Like what
kind of ego maniac do you have to be? Jimmy Hart, like,
this is a right, we already got number one fan,
but that's this character. How about this guy is just

(47:35):
my fan, right and I support him being my fan?
Mm hmmm, yeah, that's money, right, let's let's go to
Halloween have it with it. He comes out and his song.
David Sullivan comes out to say his song is about
being the number one Hawk of Maniac. This is such

(47:57):
a self indulgent story, and it is didn't he do
stories like this in TNA or Impact Wrestling when he
was there with the robe he gave He gave his
the robe with the thunder Lips robe to I think
Matt Morgan all of a sudden, Matt Morgan's tough and
cool all of a sudden, because is when Hawk Hogan's robe.

(48:18):
Didn't he give his WWE Hall of Fame ring now
his Impact Wrestling Hall of Fame ring, his w W
Hall of famering to Abyss all of a sudden, A
Byss is like strong and powerful? Who the hell do
you think you are? Hawk Hogan?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
That's a good reason why I guess I kind of
fell out. But watching that, I do not remember any
of that. I remember him in TNA, but I do
not remember that.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I remember that. That's when I checked out too. It's like,
what the hell is going on here? This is Abyss.
It was a badass. Now he's wearing Hawk Hogan's ring
and he's like, yay, what I have the power? Like,
what are you a thunder? We summoning to plant? What

(49:03):
is this? It's trash?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Anyway, the match happens, Chemist Sullivan gets counted out and
he loses to his brother the end.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Five minutes the end. M hm, I have so I
gotta play this and we understand posibly that Dave Sullivan
is gonna have a brand new song as it comes
to the ring.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Is that true?

Speaker 9 (49:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Wow, Bobby heenan.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
My god, I forgot I had that cue up. So
I looked over. I was like, oh wait, I.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Have song and Bobby Heena is something else?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
If it's probably U, A lot of people were probably
living vicariously through him to one this night.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Jeez, oh my god. Now we move on from that
to another video package. This time is about Dustin Rose
wanted to be tacting partners with arn Anderson and his glock.

(50:18):
We talked about this last week on the Lost episode,
but we talked about the promo of arn Anderson talking
about shooting somebody with his glock and pretending to point
a gun and Cody Rhodes, which is Dustin Rose's brother,
in his face, and here we are twenty seven years later,
and Arn Anderson is messing with the Rose family again,

(50:38):
including the last week on Dynamite when he's in Cody's
backyard burning stuff in his backyard. Coach, He's like, hey,
I didn't I didn't invite you here, Bro, Like what
you're doing here? He's just in his backyard with a
barrel or fire pit, throwing stuff in it and makes
Cody throws his top, take his tie off and throw
it in the pit. Cody's like, Bro, I paid like
eight hundred dollars that time, honestly to put that tie

(51:00):
in there, or I will get the glock in your face.
And he's like, all right, fine, we'll be at the
glock in your face cuz, okay ties in the fire.
So but on this night, he didn't threaten to shoot anybody,
not on this that we know of Alicia in this
video package. But instead of teaming with Dustin Rhoades, he

(51:24):
immediately turned on him because why Whitney, why not? I
mean the whoop Dusty's ass back in the day, So
why would he whip Dustin's ass. I don't know why
Dustin thought he could trust him even though he beats
your dad's ass all the time broke his Did he
break his arm? Yeah, you know in a parking lot,
broke his arm. But you're funny.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I remember wanting to watch that footage and I was
like watching the footage for the first time. I don't
remember if it was on W twenty four seven or
if it was on the network, and they literally like
stopped the video so we didn't see his arm actually
like get mangled. I was like ready for it. I
was like, yes, I can't wait, and then they would

(52:06):
like stop the camera so we didn't see it. I
was like, oh man, they censored it. Those sons of guns.
So I wish I saw, Like, I wish they didn't
do that. I did not see. I don't know if
they have a version where they don't stop the video
of when they're ready to tear Dusty's arm off. But
I wanted to see it like how they did it,
but they stopped the video.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
M damn.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
It was that gruesome, so gruesome they wouldn't even show
it on squid Game.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Wow, they showed everything on squid Game. Yeah, yeah, show everything.
You'll see They'll show a lot more. It gets crazy
on Airboy, it gets heavy. It gets heavy on squid game.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I gotta say that first game, when everyone started realizing
what the hell was going on, I actually got to
laugh out of that. Yeah. They start, they they try
to like go back in, they realize that they're getting killed.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
And all of them got hit up. Yeah, right away.
I was like, wait a second, yeah, I mean, I
don't blame him. We're trying to run home. Boy's got
his head blown off. Let me get up out of here.
Oh no, he got his head blown off. Let me
just stop, just stand still. Something I don't know. Uh,

(53:31):
there's now time for Arn Anderson versus Dustin Dustin Rhodes.
That Dusty Arn comes out with Colonel Robert Parker and
Ming wearing a suit. And then they showed Tommy Hearns
sitting in the crowd, because Tommy Hearns is from Detroit,
and you know, the legendary boxer, not quite to the

(53:52):
love of Muhammad Ali, but he's a great champion in
his own right. But not only is Tommy Hearns a
tremendous boxer, he he has one of the greatest cameos
of all time, as he was in one of the
most hilarious episodes of Martin of All Time, which aired
in February in Next ninety four. February twenty seventh of

(54:14):
Next ninety four, to be exact man when he was
on Martin and Boxing Martin and hoop of Martin's ass
and Nick, because you're my guy, you have clips loaded
up from this show.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
From this episode, we all play him back to back.
Here's number one.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
So wait waitute posit real quick. So we got to
set it up. So apparently, and the name of the episodes,
Guard Your Grill. So Martin all of a sudden is
doing charity boxing, but he takes it way too serious, right,
So for one Martin All Time Classic Show, I don't
want to hear nothing disparaging about it from anybody. Correct,

(54:57):
All Time Classic Show. Right, if you you say something
disparaging your body, you can see me with the hands.
All right, that's just how it is, all right, But
Guard you Grill And February twice, nineteen eight, we gonna
do deep dive all of a sudden on this. I
don't know, yeah, I don't remember neither. This. I was
just watching right after, right after my fifth birthday, Right,

(55:19):
I was watching this. Where are you talking about? Where
I was in life. I was in front of my
TV watching guard you girl. But uh, Martin is charity
boxing again, but he's taking taking it way too serious. Uh.
And one of the judges at his fights that he's
taking way too seriously is Tommy Hearns. So Martin he's
the charity boxing shamp. He has a big after party

(55:39):
at this apartment and everybody's over there. He's talking chares,
get the belt on all this, and that Tommy Hearns,
who actually was hating hard on Martin. All right, Tommy
Hearns deserved at least get cussed out because he was
cracking on Gina right in front of Martin, even after
he found out that was her man, right, and she
she would Martin's girl, right. He like, hey, baby, you

(56:02):
wanna go get in the limit with me? And she
was like, oh no, I'm good. You know my boyfriend's
right here. You know this is my guy. I'm here
here with him. We get and he's like me short
in right hand. Martin was suspected, all right, and because
he disrespected, this is what happens next. Okay, damn im, Gina,

(56:24):
you're about to leave another us. Temmy.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I don't know if you heard me a while ago. Brother,
But this is my woman. She won't be rolling nowhere, Bru.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
That's getting the middle man with nobody talking you like, no,
thank you, I'm gonna stay right here, but thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Hey, you are very young.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
You sure tom Hers wild at you?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
So Thomas, you ain't gonna get my props? Huh, Well
maybe you had knowledge my skills when I kick your
ass son, heard me? Yeah, they call you the hit man,

(57:18):
the hit man. I got a call from Sugar. He
calls you to get.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Get hit man, get hit man.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Hear me?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Two weeks from today I go ten rounds with Thomas
the hitting man.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Hearns what? I got a picture of my hair or
to watch it? The brawl bought off, all right, So
before we put the next clip, smoking roll Dog. So

(57:57):
before we put the next clip, Martin is training with
this fight, which doesn't matter because Tommy here is a
world champion fighter and Martin is not. And it's just
the absurdity of this all. Martin is so hell been
of being respected, not being disrespected. I should say, also,
you know, defending the honor of his girl all this
and that his pride. It's the right thing throughout the

(58:19):
show of Martin you have the series of Martin is
that he his pride and his ego always gets in
the way, including when it comes to fighting a world
champion trained boxer and Tommy Hearns they call him the
hit man. They don't call him to get hit man.
Actually he is the hits man because he hits people
in the face repeatedly. So he's training for the fight.
He shows the fight and it's like, oh, tom and

(58:41):
Harris is gonna show up, so I'm gonna win. And
then Tommy Hearns shows up and proceeds to beat the
living hell out of Martin's good hurt. That's the sound

(59:05):
of Tommy Hearn's hitting Mark in the face, yea, lifting
him through the air. Mark did is on stunt for
this because this is real. I believe it into the
wall and planted into the wall.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
To baby.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Little man. Didn't give up man thinking about heart. I
want to fighting about, but the fight is the baby,
it's over. I don't want to fight about.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
That's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
The part when, for one Tommy Martin tries to fight
the referee by misteak. He's so delarriateus. He just like
squares up in the referee.

Speaker 10 (01:00:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
And then when he hits the ropes and he's like, Gene,
they go get my bank acount. I got to get
all the money in my cant I got three hundred dollars.
I got three hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I'm gonna have to clip that. I don't want to fight, no, mom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I want to fight about And of course the kicker
is when they're back at their apartment. Jeane is in
the living room and she's like, come on out, baby,
and Martin comes out lumped up to oblivion. I mean,
what WW will call them contusions where this man is

(01:00:45):
so lumped up, there's like a potato right, It's like
this man has had suffered so many concussions that his
brain damage. No one should ever look like that. Now ever,
there's Martin. He had lumps in his hair coming out
of his hair. He hit the top of the head.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
So I know what the crowd was chanting during the
Martin versus Thomas the hip man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Hearns where were they chanting? No, they weren't. It was like,
call the cops, Call the cops, Call an ambulance, Call
my ambulance. He needs some milk, need some help out here,

(01:01:35):
you need to go to the hospital. They go to
local medical facilities stat. So, yes, Tommy Hearns, we don't
talk about his boxing career. We're talking about the one
time he was on Martin Lawrence's show, and it's still
one of the best episodes of television of all time,
one of the greatest nights in the history of our sport.

(01:01:57):
It was Martin and Tommy Hearns, such.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
A great show. Because I told you before, I guess
it was on Fox New Episodes with Ever on Fox,
but I didn't see Martin until it was on like syndication.
I think it was on like UPN in the Philly
area or PHL. I don't remember, but it was on syndication.
So I'll watch reruns all the time, and that's how
I got into it. And it was just such a
great show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Well it classic. It has nothing to do with wrestling,
I know. But Tommy Hearns is here, and that gives
me an excuse, give us an excuse I should say
to talk about the time he was on Martin. Anytime
I can talk about somebody being on Martin, I will
take advantage of it. So I gotta look on an
episode of mister T was on Martin. We could talk
about that. He probably was at some point, I don't know.

(01:02:41):
But this match it happened Dustin Rhodes when he won
VA roll up arm beat him up again after.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
The match, and that was like nothing like this should
have been. That was it of maybe a semi main
because of how it was built up, and it just
kind of threw it as the fourth match on the
card and not even ten minutes. I was like, man,
this the way they set it up could have been
a real barm burner of the match. But they didn't
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
They did not Who cares? We got to talk about
Martin and Tommy hearns uh gene oklens backstage though he's
with HAWLK Hogan, Brutus Beefcake Brother and Jimmy Hart. They're
talking about mister T being a special referee for the
main event and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I love it because he invokes Andre all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
On here a loon again came off from the South.

Speaker 8 (01:03:28):
No way whether is back here and of course the
man is here tonight the biggest night certainly in his career,
WCW Heavyweight Champion Haul Coogan, I jammed packed Jolois, Serena
and Detroit, and we got millions of other folks watching
all over the country. On the world you and Rick
Flair one on one inside of steel Cage and what

(01:03:52):
about tomorrow. Tomorrow is gonna be a new era.

Speaker 7 (01:03:54):
Well, you know what we need to talk about us
last night, mean Geene, you know, last we thought Hulk
Hogan could sneak into the motor City unnoticed brother, but
how it was camouflage as Jimmy Hart was camouflage. It
is a big brother acting like he was camouflage. Everybody
knew by the pump on the Gun's big brother that
Hulk Hogan was here to take care of business, you know.

(01:04:15):
And then we went to the hotel. Man, you talk
about hull Comedia running wild, you talk about anti flare signs.
I've never seen anything like it. And now that we're
a jous arena, it's gonna be just like the last
time I slam that big giant God Bless his soul,
the play we're gonna start, mister fall for one last time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
That there's only room for one man and.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
Special guess, Jeffrey, things just don't seem right in my opinion,
up tonight at a big long limit. All of a sudden,
Sherry was all over him like a cheap suit.

Speaker 7 (01:05:03):
And you know when somebody doesn't make eye contact with
you when you have talked to him, you can tell who.
As I stared into mister T's eyes. Yes, he stared
into the eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Of the master. Brother. He was still training to each
other eyes and his prayers.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
Brother, and I knew mister T had definitely eaten his
viders by the pump on his guns. Brother, shirt, if
you're down for a three counts, I'm gonna count out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Brother.

Speaker 7 (01:05:31):
He told me he's gonna call it just like he sees.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
But oh, I gotta say.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
This dayctorious player in the game because it's not mister T.
I don't trust it's. Once I'm inside the safety that
is of the steel cage, I'm a age that Rick
Flair might just suck, might try to sucker mister T.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
And if you know what I'm saying, hey, watch out there.

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
They're involved in this title defense tonight here at Halloween Havoc.
Try here, You've got Thomas E. Manual Stewart, will they starred,
Joel Hank, Karen and I mean celebrities right and left,
does that add any more pressure to it?

Speaker 7 (01:06:06):
You know, we're not worry about the pressure. Brother, my
heart and the big brother here, we've gone over this.
We don't care about the celebrities. Oh, we care about
the haul comaniacs. I sat down with a big brother
and Jimmy Hart, and we discussed how we were gonna
get in the ring. We discussed how we're gonna russell Flair,
how we're gonna beat him, how we're gonna humiliate him.

(01:06:26):
They know each and everything that I'm gonna do out there.
We've got the battle plane and we're a team. And
what you're gonna do? Rec fire, what I retire you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Alright, let's get back inside man, all right, all thanks
to me, gene auklad haulk Hogan response here he met the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
South, Jimmy Hart, they're all here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
They're already. Is not toouraj He Shogan and Flair will
climb in the cage a little bit later on.

Speaker 10 (01:06:54):
I don't detect any confidence in Hogan's voice.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Trying to blame mister t.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
He's glad he's gonna be in a cage. He's trying
to have eye contact with people. Run, but it's over.
You're trying to have eye contact with people here is
that was a little bizarre, like five minutes. Ever, fore, Hogan,

(01:07:24):
you go into a world title match, your coronel line
and you're so egotistical. Does you talk about how popular
you are when you got to town man people everywhere?

Speaker 11 (01:07:33):
Man Like, I was so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I thought I would get here unnoticed, like what right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
But man, I can't go anywhere because I'm just so
popular and so old famous. Look at my arms. They
saw my big old arms, and no, it's me, gosh
darn it. So that's crazy thing number one, number two,
And I slammed the big giant bless his soul. You
don't even have to DC to say his name. No, well, blessed.

(01:08:01):
So I slammed. Remember I slammed his ass? Oh he did, though,
bless God, bless him, Oh God, blessed dead. But I
slammed his big ass down in that map back in
in eighty seven. Let me tell you about it, bro,
I'll tell you about it every time you're happy to
But woo, bless who bless him? Child? Woo unbelievable. How

(01:08:21):
didn't you talk about this man like that? I slammed
his ass, bo bless his heart. But don't forget I
slammed him straight to heaven. It was me. It was me.
I did that. I probably took years off his life.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Brother, what.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Oh man, that was intense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
That was so stupid. I couldn't believe he said that
about Audrey the Giant. I'm afraid it's gonna try to suck.
I mean sucker, mister t It's not the safety of
the cage. What are you talking about? This case supposed
to be dangerous, holy humanity. I don't make no sense, bro,

(01:09:14):
That problem made no sense, and I don't send any
confidence in them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
That's what direct me off. But that's why I think
I left it in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
And he's trying to look people in the eyes, in
contact with people. Oh my god, this is this is absurd. Yeah,
this is absurd. We were going to more absurdity. We
got a video package of stunning Steve Austin being forced
to defend his United States Tavaway championship against Jim Duggan,

(01:09:48):
and he's being forced to do it by Nick Bockwinkel
and he lost because why, I don't know why you
would have upcoming like stunning Steve lose to Jim Duggan.
Lod fence.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Jim Duggan, I mean he was never a champion and
he just was king and Jim Duggan.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Still to this day. He comes out and people are going,
oh big over right, But like Steve Awson should have
been beaten Jim Duggan left right and center, like he's
been putting Jim Duggan over or Jim Dugan should putting
him over. Instead, he lost in like twenty seconds and
this this feels like such a WW move today. Yep,

(01:10:30):
my god, it feels like something that just happened. Summer Slam.
Becky Lynch established star comes and beats you up a comer,
and Becky and Bianca let people are like, hey, but wait,
there's gonna be a story between him, wait for the
story to play out, and she hasn't gotten it back yet, huh.
And then stunning Steve, he just he had to leave
W's w like how bad it was. Not long after
this they was like, yo, you fired, bro, We can't

(01:10:51):
do nothing else with you. You you hurt anyway, you
gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
You've reached your ceiling.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
So this was either his actually his final or Steve
Austin's one of his final pay per view appearances in
WSW and again Austin was only a cent he had done.
He was a television champion, he went tag titles with
Brian Pillman. Now he's US Champions to remember US title,

(01:11:17):
this second title right beneath the heavyweight title. But Hogan
comes in, brings in all of his guys, one of
them being Jim Duggan, and it essentially pushes Austin to
the wayside. They had a roster with some guys that
they could have used, you know, some fresh faces. Instead,
Let's get Brother Brewed Eye. Let's get Jim Duggan. Let's
get the Nasty Boys. No disrepect to the Nasty Boys

(01:11:40):
or Jim Duggan or Brother Brewed Eye. But yeah, Steve
Austin right there, just obvious, right, it's a it's an
immediate shift in programming here. Not it doesn't. You have
to look a little hard to see what happened to
read it between any lines here. But the match happens.

(01:12:02):
Jim Duggan lines up in the three point stands to
hit Austin. At one point, Austin, instead of getting hit,
he dumps dug In over the top rope. But that
disqualifies Austin and he loses the match because they had
the rule where, you know, you can't just toss people
out of the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, I never liked that in w CW. I was like,
that's stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
So well the fans thought it was stupid too, And
Jim Dugan tried to hit Austin with the two by
four and he did not succeed, and no one cared.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
So nobody, not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
At all but Gene Oakland. You know what he cares
about his hotline, that damn hot line. And then he
hawks out a little bit more than he brings out Sting,
the band called Sting wearing a tuxedo, Yeah, with shades,
all right, just shades and the tuxedough. He said he's

(01:12:56):
gonna be sitting at ringside, right next to Muhammad Ali
so he can wash the main event.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
That's so, why's he coming out now, weirdo to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Say that he's gonna do it? I guess that's pretty
much what he said. So now we get another video package.
This one is about Vader and the Guardian Angle Angle.
Oh my god, I can't talk tonight. The Guardian Angle,
the Guardian Angel Ray trailer, who couldn't be apparently couldn't

(01:13:30):
be a cop, he couldn't be any law enforcement. He
had to be pretty much neighborhood to watch in the
Guardian Angels at this point, so.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
I think, didn't I think they originally called him the Boss,
so I think it was too close obviously, the Big
boss Man, so they this is his literally second name
in ww he had a ton and then he went
like back to Big Bubba and all that. So he
had he had quite a few days in w CW
and Guardian Angel wasn't even his first one. So that's

(01:14:00):
kind of crazy to think about. I'm sure w WF
was threatening to sue them when they called it red loss.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
So I mean, look, I couldn't have earthquake, be avalanche
for too long, no natural disasters.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Do you remember when I mentioned before during this pay
per view, you hear Tony Shiavanni saying it sounds like
an avalanche coming to Oh yeah, I have that clip.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
We can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
It is so set up that ill we were listening
to w W twenty one. It's like so contrived.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
It's just he can't be tsunami, he can't be monsoon,
he can't be mud slide rock slide, hurricane, tornado. Uh, well,
the natural disasters are there, can't it can't be a
volcano a natural disaster. But you know, uh, none of
that flood, No, it sounds like it can't be a

(01:14:59):
tropical storm, tropical depression. Nothing natural disaster related. None of that. Thunderstorm, drizzle, nothing, nothing,
nothing the weather related, freezy, nothing, snow with gusts. Can't

(01:15:23):
can do that. Can't be fog, can't no fog, none
of that. Can't be heat. We gotta got hollow heat.
Can't be hot. Can't that No more temperature based things,
you know, we got we gotta Uh who's the guy

(01:15:44):
of subserved? I can't remember his name off the top
of my head now, glacier, Yeah, so I guess he's
not weather technically right. No, that's just a block of ice.
So we can't use you can't be a cold god.
We've got that guy coming in a couple of years.
We're working on that idea now. So you can't be that.
You don't fit the suit. So none of that. So

(01:16:06):
but we were looking at Vader beat up Guardian Angel,
Vader hitting with a hitting Guardian Angel with a Vader bomb,
and the moonsalt on Saturday Night while wild Cat Willie
is watching in the background, right, And it made me
think that this was before because all this stuff is
happening on Saturday night, This is before Nightro even existed.

(01:16:28):
Nicholl didn't debut until the next year. So everything you know,
you're thinking about, why is everything happening on Saturday night, Well,
because that was the main television show for WW at
this point, pretty much no Nighthro yet. At one point,
Guardian Angel tried to hit Holler Race with a chair.

(01:16:48):
It was all hell's breaking loose between these two guys,
so naturally they have to have a match. At Halloween Havoc.
We have the Guardian Angel coming out flanked by his
fellow Angels as if he was Goldberg or something. I
don't know why that that was the case. Angel or Trailer.
I'm just gonna call him trailer. How about that Ray Trailer.

(01:17:09):
I'm not gonna call him Angel all night or or
angry either one. Ray Trailer comes out immediately on site,
beats up Parley Race like like, get this out the
way right now, all right. In fact, he spent a
lot of time beating up Parlor Race like that was
pretty much what all he did throughout the match was
beat up Parley Race at smart at one point, manager right,

(01:17:34):
but at one point he slammed Vader on top of
Harley Race.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
That was right, was rough.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Halliday's gonna need some salt after this one, Like he
was sore, so he took more bumps in Vader.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
It's like Martin, I don't want to fight no more.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I'm retired, Vader, I won't fight him, mout.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Vader eventually hits the Vader bomb, Trailer kicks out. Vader
caught Angel or Trailer out of the air in midair,
hit him with a power slam, but lay Trailer spent
too much time, like you said, beating up Harlo Race
and eventually cost him all right because he suplex hardly
racing to the ring. But as soon as he hit

(01:18:24):
the Matt Vader comes in and hit him with a
splash boom and it won the match. Ye Bobby, He
was like, so sorry, dummy, pretty good spot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Thought like that was pretty cool, and Invader just like
splashed him literally a second after he landed with the
I was like, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I agree and kind of believe it was pretty good timing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
But pretty stupid for Angel to focus on Harley Race
that much, but that ending kind of I was like, oh,
at least made sense.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yeah, maybe if he beat up Harler Race for like
five less minutes what he did, it would have been
all right. But like he just whooped his ass on
one side of the ring the next, Like, yo, who
are you fighting here?

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Like you're going against Vader Vaderader? Like could you not
spend your time against him?

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
The big monster over there? Stop beating me up. I'm
not I'm not the I'm not the world champion anymore. Geez,
we're backstage again with Gene Oakland, and we're not backstage,
We're on the We're on the stage, I should say,
with Gene Oakland as he is once again promoting that
damn hot line yet again, and then he brings out

(01:19:42):
our favorite cameo of all time, Tommy Hearns. What gives
us thoughts on the main event? Tommy Hearns. So Tommy
Hearns is a real bad guy and Martin in the episode,
though Martin was a big goofy kind of overstepped his
boundaries a little bit, or I'll kick this coverage trying
to fight a world champion boxer, but hers did decide
to get his asked with by somebody like just not

(01:20:04):
as regular as civilian who didn't know how to box.
Somebody should have worked time to her exactly, he is mad, disrespectful.
He was mad, disrespectful. Proposition Gina like that right in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Front of me, right in front of them, everybody, not
just him, right and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Then when she says no, you're gonna be like you
Sure she said no, Tommy, she said what she said,
get on out of here, Get on out of here.
Before I say I'm gonna woop your ass. I'm not
gonna do it, but I'm gonna say it, I'm gonna
get mad. I don't want to get mad exactly. So

(01:20:46):
next we get a video of Dusty Rhodes heading down
to the Nasty Boy, his neighborhood and Ghetto US A
somewhere nasty year Ghetto USA. They would build from New
York City, but they're actually from the Lehigh Valley, not
that close to New York City, but uh, you know,

(01:21:10):
in Pennsylvania, not New York at all. But I just
love how they're just the nasty Boys because they're just
from the streets. They just are at the streets of
all times. They're on the streets at all times, just
with other thugs, random thugs and gangsters, you know, random
random hoodlums. That's you know, that frequent these haunts and
neighborhoods and Dusty Rhoads. He's the son of a plumber.

(01:21:31):
He's the every man. So he just strolls right on
through there with his stetson and asks Nasty Boys for
help in war games at the fall, bro. And you know,
you listen to their help and stuff like that, But
that looks like something straight out of the eighties, bro,
Just random random thugs and hooligans out in the neighborhood,

(01:21:51):
the Nasty Boys just hanging out with the Nasty Boy
shirts on, so everybody knows who they are, just the case, right,
you know. And then we see the Nasty Boys get
beat up in the locker room after the war games.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
And I'm murdered right squid game in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Oh my god, you know what that means? A dead.
But then we see them metally and Saturday night, and
I just made me remember that, Oh the Nasty boys
with babyfaces w W, which I was not used to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I think they didn't come in as baby faces, but
they had turned you know by this point, so very weird.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
That's part of Hogan's playing.

Speaker 7 (01:22:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
You know, Hogan wanted to be like the Street when
it came into Detroit. Meanwhile, the Nasty Boys near their home,
they're wearing their Nasty Boys gear. They wanted to get noticed.
They were like please.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Apparently, and they even came out with orange and black
Nasty Boys shirts because you know it's Halloween. Halloween those
are kind of kind.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Of dope as quick aside, we had the black ropes
by this point, just the regular Dubbies have w logo
in the ring. I rewatched the ending of Halloween Havoc
ninety when they had like have you seen that with
sid and Staying with Berry Wyndham coming out as Staying
at the end?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
I have not, So they start recall I might have
seen it, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
It was a really cool set up. They had a
red canvas and then yell orange ropes with black turn
buckles and in the middle orange rope they had like
black tape taped around like circular. So it just has
a different feel to it. I mean, they could have
made it all the ropes orange just solid orange instead
of having the black tape on the middle one. It

(01:23:35):
was like spots. I don't know. It was a really
cool visual, so when he talked about orange and black
and Halloween, it kind of reminded me of that that, Like,
you know, I just I hope the NXC Halloween Havoc
does something different where we just a visual that reminds
us of Halloween and stuff, because I missed that, I
really do this Halloween Havoc. They had the stage set

(01:23:57):
up and everything, which is cool, but they didn't do
the same with the ring. It was just the same
old WCW ring. So at least the Nasty Boys were
orange of black.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
That's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Yeah, maybe happy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
On this night, the Nasty Boys were going up against
Terry Funk and Bunk house Buck, two members of the
stud stable led by Colonel Robert Parker. Bunk house Buck
was also known as Jimmy Golden, and he once appeared
apparently on WWTV in twenty ten as Jack Swagger Senior.

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I don't know if you knew that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
I read that on the net.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
So no, it's true, you know it's true. The thing
I hated about Bunk House buck was his hair. I
hated how he always did his hair or probably it
was a messy and then in the middle and bat
in front like he wet it and combed it down
so it came to like a point on his forehead
and it just looked really stupid. I hated it. That's

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what I remember the most about him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
He was a former You don't remember the fact that
he was a former Southern States champion.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
No where the hell would I watch him then?

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
And he was a former WW tag team champion with
Dick Slater.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
I kind of remember because I was like in and
out of WW. I believe when him and Dick Slater
were a tag team. I don't remember that being champions,
but I do remember that tag team. But I was
just never a fan just because of his luck. I
was just like his hair so stupid. I hate him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
They also won Worst Tag Team of the Year ninety
five by The Observer, So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
The thing. They didn't join the NWL in ninety six.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
A good thing. Good thing that didn't happen, I guess.
But Nasty Boys come out with the orange and black
shirts and a Jaquelina. I think SAgs had a Jacqueline
on the shoulder Jalloween Hell yeah, yeah, and he knew
was like it's a likeness of himself. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
A little little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
In the midst of getting asked about the Nasty Boys,
Terry Funk and Bunk house Buck were like fighting each
other by accident, like they're getting asked so bad instead
of hitting each other. That was pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Uh fucking outside, hit himself in the head, put a chair,
just like what is going on, and then climbs over
the top of the guardrail like he's in the crowd. Now,
what is he doing?

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Wild stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
What is he doing?

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
It was all hell's breaking loose in this match. At
one point, Bobby Heenan called the Nasty Boys butt head
and butt head, and he eventually got Tony Shivanni to
do a butt head impersonation. You don't remember that, Oh
my god. It was terrible. So we don't need to

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put that out in the world. We don't, we don't.
We don't need to be responsible for that. It's really bad, yeah,
but we don't do it. Let them do it. Let
them be responsible for putting that out in the world.
That's on them, that's on their conscience. I don't want
that on my conscience. You know what I'm saying. I
don't want that on me. I got it, you know

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what I'm saying. I don't want that guilt. But of course,
butthead was a reference to the show Beavis and Butthead
on MTV, which was wildly popular in the early nineties.
I was watching that show at way too young an
age I was like five watching. I mean in ninety four,

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I was five, and I used to watch Beavers Buttthead
with my brother and my mom. I believe every single week, Bro,
I used to put the shirt on my head and
call myself Cornholio, not knowing what the hell I'm saying,
saying I need TP from my bunghole. I have no
idea what that meant at.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
You, I police, I'm begging you. So I could put
it in the intro. It was like shooters rate. I
am Cornolio.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Look imagine a five year old kid. I am five,
mind you, I am just learning how to count pretty much,
and I'm walking around. I guess it would have been
in our apartment at that moment. It's living in West
Philly by this point, going I am corner Holio, Corner holyo.

(01:28:29):
I'm twive years old talking about this. I am corner. HOLYO,
I need two people my bung hole. Like that's what
I was doing at five years old, bro, Like what
I was five? A teenager? That's how popular Beavers and
But it was like, I will watch that show all

(01:28:50):
the time. I used to love be But I haven't
gone back to watch it since then. I don't know
if it holds up or not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
It probably doesn't, probably not, but I probably not search
out certain things that just bring back memories. I'm like, ah,
that's funny, because I would get in trouble if my
parents if I would stay up late and go down.
I didn't have a TV in my room yet, so
I would go down and watch TV a little bit.
And obviously, you know, if my mom or dad would
come down, they be like, what the hell you doing

(01:29:19):
down here? And I would have like Beavis and Butthead on,
just because I wanted to watch that, right because in
second grade, this is second grade, one of my classmates
was like talking about Beavis and Butthead and stuff, so
like she was watching it at her house, and I remember,
like she was like my best friend in second grade,
So I went over there and I remember like being
introduced to it. But when I was home, I guess

(01:29:42):
my parents like found out about it and how or
obviously saw it and we're like, that's not appropriate. So
anytime I had it on, they would obviously be like,
turn that filth off and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Stuff like that. Oh, I'm all sitting at right with
me watching it. Tell them telling me and ury me
to do Cornholio in the house. Go ahead and do it.
Do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
You were entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Put the shirt up over my head, bro, gotta do it,
gotta entertained, throw the hands up. And it was on.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
That show Stamp. So that show was so popular. It
had a movie, which I don't know if did we
go to the movies to see that? I don't know
who went to the movie to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
I believe I was. I went to the movies to
see that. So was it?

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
No, it was before that was like ninety six, ninety seven, maybe,
so I couldn't I.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Leave my mom talk to me, because I guess she
was okay with it at that point. I was three
years older.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
So I came out in ninety six.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Okay, so we don't but heead do America. Yeah, and
I think I went to the theaters with that, and
then I eventually got the DHS this movie. I didn't
see it in the theaters. I got the VHS and
watched it, you know, later when it was released.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
So came out ninety six. It starred, of course Mike Judge,
she was Beavis and butt Head, but also Bruce Willis
forcing somebody, Demi Moore for somebody, Like what, yes, me Moore? Yeah,
David Letterman was in it, like, yeah, massively Wild Show.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Stay exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Who's also in basketball? You've never seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
I don't think i've I've watched clips. I don't think
I've seen that. Man, I might have watched it one sick.
I watched it like once all the way through when
it was on. It was probably on Comedy Central or something.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
But basketball as a classic, and it was like an
actual fun game to play. But Beabs and butt Heead
also had a video game which was not good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
But yeah, I remember running that not not too great, right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
But massively Wild Show. So not surprised that Beavers and
but had got worked into the show some here, somewhere
in here, because it's a pretty big deal back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
It reminds me of when the New Age out Laws
would in book like South Park lots. South Park was
gay on Steve and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yeah, Beavers and Butthead was at before you know south Park,
So it's a type of show. But the nasty boys, though,
but Head and butt Head, according to Bobby Heenan, weren't
good at what They weren't good enough to be beavis apparently,
Oh my god, but they were beating the hell again
out of Terry Funk and Bunk house Buck. Like you

(01:32:24):
said earlier, Terry Funk started beating his head against the
steel chair. That was wild. That would not fly today.
Uh Tena said that Funk that had no idea where
he was and he just yelled at him, you're in Detroit.
Men got up on the apron and he tried to
hit I believe it was knobs, but he hit Terry
Funk by accident. Sagsdon hit a pile driver on Funk

(01:32:47):
on top of the pumpkin, on top of the jack
o'laning to win the match. And that's it. That was,
That was, That was a wild match. We spent more
time talking about Beavers and Butthead than we did talking
about this match. We spent more time talking about other
things that happened in nineteen eighty four. They were did
matches on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Well worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
It's well worth it, I agree. But then we go
to Tony Shafani who then talked about the proceeds from
the show, a portion of the proceeds from the show
going to Muhammad Ali's foundation. We then go to the
ring with Gene Oakland and WSW president Bill Shaw. They're
presenting Muhammad Ali a check to his foundation. They did
not say how much the check was for. That check

(01:33:28):
could have been for one hundred dollars for all we know.
And it was just like a small little check that
just handed him, like they got it straight from the bank.
Like here you go, like straight out to somebody's checkbook.
Usually you get somebody a check who presented it's like
a big old giant ceremonyal check, so everybody can see
the amount and who was going to the cauld take
the photo. Opswa's de W's like hey, like Bill Sharper
just tore a check out of his checkbook, right like

(01:33:50):
oh my man, hey you go Muhammed, Like here you go,
miss Ali, that's for your foundation, you know, little, this
little chump, a little little bit of change for your foundation,
like that was a this opportunity. And then Bishoff, who
was the senior vice president of des w H, presented
Muhammad Ali with a plaque in recognition of his career.

(01:34:12):
So a little, nice little ceremony there. Again, we don't
know how much that check was for. Maybe that's the
reason why they didn't do the big old check with
the damn mount because you got to have an impressive
number on that. You don't want to have, oh, five
hundred bucks, you don't want that want to check. We
want like five thousand bucks or something like that. So
everybody knows you donated some money, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
But we know you're breaking money, right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
We don't know how much they donated, So I would
love to know how much they donated to Muhammad Ali's foundation.
And if it was like a big number, why the
hell did they put it on a big old check
for everybody to see. That's just silly, uh. And then
we get predictions from Tony Shavanni and Bobby Heenan, and
Shavanni predictably picks Hogan. Heenan predictably picks his boy Rick Flair,

(01:34:59):
and he he said something very strange, right, because he
talked about all the teams and stuff that hadn't won
eleven championships, like Wig Flair. Because lake Flair by this
point was only an eleven time world champion. He would
go on to win five more to become a sixteen
time world champion, but at this point only eleven. He's like, oh,

(01:35:20):
this team didn't win eleven championships. That team didn't win
eleven championships. The Yankees had to win eleven championship. And
I was like, wait a second, Bobby Heenan, may he
rest in peace. I'm like, holding hell that guy slammed
him down and rest his soul. But he couldn't have

(01:35:45):
been way more wrong about that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
I don't know what he was trying to get here,
but me, not paying attention to sports, I would have
believed him.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Yeah, but me and twenty twenty one, knowing full well
what the history of this team is, I was like,
hold up, that it's not true at all. Before I
even looked it up. I knew it wasn't true, but
I had looked it up this in case. So for
those who don't know, let's say you're not from here.
You're not from the United States, and you're not you
don't really follow sports that much. The New York Yankees
baseball team have won the most championships among the four

(01:36:16):
major sports teams playing, you know, in our country. They
have won twenty seven championships, all right, twenty seven. That's
the most among the four major pro sports. The next
closest team is de Montreal Canadians. They have won twenty
four Stanley Cups. People really remember that they've won that

(01:36:39):
many Stanley Cups, the last of which I believe came
in ninety three, so it's been a while. And they
got They went to the final last year, right and
lost to Tampa if I'm correct, right Montre.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
So yeah, they almost won twenty five. They almost won
twenty five, but not quite. But the next closest team
that actually is you know in the United States, that
would be the Boston Celtics and La Lakers of the NBA.
They have both won seventeen NBA championships. But back to
the Yankees, because we're back in ninete ninety four, you
might have said, well, maybe they didn't have eleven titles

(01:37:12):
nineteenninety four, well, that would mean they would have won
seventeen championships since ninete ninety four, which would be just
as many as the Celtics and the Lakers have throughout
their history. So that's not the case. Okay. By nineteen
ninety four, they had already won how many twenty two

(01:37:33):
World championships? Now, they had won one since nineteen seventy eight,
so it had been sixteen years, but they already had
twenty two, which is twice as many as mcflair would
have had at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Yeah, but the members of the team have to split
them up, so ticker oh, one member of the team
has won sixteenth of or twenty fifth of.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
A championships themselves had one eleven. But he didn't say that.
He did not the Yankees as a team as an entity,
and that would change, you know, they had waited sixteen
years by that point. Well, two years later they won
their twenties third and in ninety right then ninety two
thousand they took a year off, and then ninety eight

(01:38:19):
they won. They began their streak of three state championships.
Then they took a decade off then there and they
won in two thousand and nine where they beat the Phillies.
Damn shame, but they haven't been back since. He'd have
the Phillies for that matter, but.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Hit the playoffs. The yeah, but not the world suits
years without playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
The meritors make the playoffs. It's gonna be the longest
streak in baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
I hope they well they didn't this year, but damn.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
It, like they can't close up believe they did.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
They did.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
So there's that. Let's move on. Let's move on. We
say something we regret, right, So, yeah, Bobby, he and
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. He
said that Jinks had one of a lot of championships,
actually a lot more than Rick Flair in reality. But
we go on to the main event of the evening.

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It is for the w TW World Heavyweight Championship and
it is to be contested inside of it still cage.
It is Hawk Hogan defending against the nature boy, Rick Flair.
We have Michael Buffer again on the call. Every every
month they used to die. They kept us guy and work.

Speaker 10 (01:39:32):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
I wonder how much money Buffer made off of WSW
I mean tons of money as much as they used
this man.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
I mean, I'm sure that check they gave to the
Muhammad al Leith. I'mation wasn't as big as the check
they gave them, like the cluff for that night.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Jeez, And you're probably right, that's the crazy part about it.
But he's in the ring. Here an outcomes mister t
who was in Detroit wearing a Detroit Red Wings jacket,
and he still gets booed. Damn. He tried.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
He tried to panda, but he came out of that
Chicago restaurant with flair, Man, we ain't trust you, right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Ain't you a black Hawks fan? Put you for the
black Hawks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
That's interesting because they're both original six teams, so I'll
go far a rivalry that goes far back.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Yeah, man, they didn't mess with not in Chicago and Detroit.
He tried, though, He's like, I pitied the food who
don't like the Red Wings? And he was like boom, okay,
I guess I don't like that all right? And then

(01:40:47):
Hogan comes out and I would say he got a
mixed reaction.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Yeah, I mean not everyone was all haulked up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
No so ws ws like what the hell? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Troy was an interesting crowd. I've noticed earlier. They really
they loved darn Anderson, and they loved pretty wonderful. During
that tax Team title match, they were popping loud for Orndorff,
especially not so much Roman was.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
I don't know the Orndorff because i've w By ninety four,
that was pretty much AWF town, I guess, but there's
still remnants of the territory days. And during the territory days,
Detroit had its own promotion, but I would imagine it
was still more of a maybe not necessarily a WWF town,

(01:41:40):
but maybe an Awa town, Awa territory. That's just saying
like in that region of the country. Maybe they didn't
win bang were Hogan up there? I don't know, but
it's definitely a mixed reaction, which should have told WSW
then like, hey man, people ain't rock with Hogan like that,
no more like as much as they used to like.
They still like them. Some people still like him, but

(01:42:01):
it ain't like it used to be backing like eighty
eight eighty nine when he was on fire. The allure
of Hogan, even by ninety four was wearing off. That
that red and yellow people that was that people were
definitely fatigue of that, and which made the turn two
years later. Should have take him two years though, but
it made the turn that much more impactful because it

(01:42:23):
was a needed change for hal Cogan because the tide
the people were changing, society was changing, and somebody like
Haulkogan when they're red and yellow just probably really didn't
fit like that anymore. So him going Hollywood and wearing
the black and white at the nWo, it just fit.
It's made sense. But on this night he gets a
mixed reaction and he's getting Hogan sucks chance yeah wa

(01:42:48):
W was like, Hey, we didnt assign him to get booed.
The hell We're not retiring Ric Flair for Hogan to
get booed, right, What the hell We're not bringing them
brother brewedeye and knobs and SAgs, Jimmy Hart and Jim
Duggan for the Hogan guy to get booed. That's not

(01:43:08):
why we know. We're not We're not in this business.
What's going on here? This mean about this? We can't
get jiggy with this outcomes Flair, and it did hit
him real hard on this night. But both guys are
in the ring and they're fighting right away, and Hogan,

(01:43:28):
I know that he was really aggressive during this match,
like more aggressive than I expected. It's for his baby
face persona, and mister T is trying to calm him down.
Holgan cocksback on miss the T's about the punch, mister T.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
So man, he's just trying to tell you to be like, relax,
retire match in the still cage.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Relax, relax, right your careers on the line. But calm down, man,
your livelihoods.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
You're being too violent, You're whooping too much ass.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
You don't need that. Uh. Flair takes control, mister T
shoves him, and mister T really went pretty much. He
was just there to argue with both guys for some reason.
It just that's what he was there for.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Yeah, you know, he.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Kept taking Hogan's shirt, not throwing it out of the ring,
just holding on to her for some reason, and Flair
would use it and choke Hogan with it, just held
onto the shirt. But it was really weird to hear
Tony Shavanni hyperpalcamania as much as he did do in
this match. He just didn't sit right with me. Yeah,
there's just something about it. Brand. It's just something. It's

(01:44:32):
just it's just just forced. Just like man, you forced
to say all that that doesn't sound like something Tony
Schavanni would say. He was always a legitimate sports cast
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Yeah, that was not the last time he would just
he was bad because he was basically being forced to
all these cliches and stuff. It's like, come on, man,
Like listening back, you could tell he was Definitely, it
wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if Bischoff was like in
his ear the wave man is in his commentators or
be like say.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
This, say this, maybe it just sounds weird. It sounds
like a very WWF thing to do, but this is
w tw. They didn't do that. They didn't just talking
about that. Al Camenia is like no, they actually analyzed
it like it was a real sport instead of just
like it's just a force of natures. Okay, right, what

(01:45:21):
is this so I don't again? We see it aggressive Hogan? Right,
and eventually he runs into mister T by accident flair,
then stops out. Mister T right stomps him out. Then
all hell breaks loose. All right, this is where all

(01:45:43):
hell just breaks loose. Get Ready, buckle up. It's a
wild ride, sensational. Sherry is climbing the cage. Now she
is climbing the cage. Okay. Jimmy Hart climbs with her,
tries to pull her down. Instead, he rips her dress off.
Now she's on the cage for everybody to see. In Lingerie.
Nine year old mad was like, hey, whoa, whoa, take

(01:46:06):
it easy, easy, big fella.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
So she gets down and just knocks the hell out
of Jimmy Hart. He falls into the cameraman like again,
this is all happening within like a minute and a half,
Like she all hell is breaking loose. Then she goes
back up the cage. She's not done yet, she lingerie,
be damned. I gotta get in the ring. Support my guy.
Okay mc flair. Okay, she goes back up the cage,

(01:46:38):
only for sting. Of course, he was sitting ringside next
to Mhammad Ali. He pulls her down. Okay. He's cussing
Sherry out, saying, get out of here, get your get
your you know, lingerie wearing ass out of here and
get out of here, cussing her out. Then the masked
man comes out underneath the ring, who apparently was there
all night. Nobody saw this guy, so again, ain't cussing

(01:47:00):
out Sherry. A maskot comes out from underneath the ring
with a lead pipe around.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
They built the ring around hi while I was just
sitting there.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Pretty much, right, he clocks sting with the pipe bow right,
and he starts hitting the cage to let people know, hey,
this is a real pipe not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
It sounded legit. I was like, damn, Like he was
hitting Jimmy pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
With that, right, he was knocking the hell out of
people with that. Right now, the mask man is climbing
the cage. Okay. Then Sherry's in the cage. Now she's
inside the cage and she handcuffs mister t it's not
me and he knows on the same page because she's

(01:47:41):
handcuffing this man while she's wearing lingerie and felt like
a kink scene happening right live in the ring right
then and there, All right, this got this got X
rated all of a sudden. Okay, Then she turns around.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
And helps me nine years old, I like, wait, was
she like a police officer?

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
She a cop? She guarded angel I didn't know that.
She didn't help Rick Flair beat up Hogan. But then
Hogan fights back, not only against Flair but against Sherry.
Hogan beat that out of Sherry. She took more bumps
than anybody in this match. Holgan body slammed it. She

(01:48:26):
closed lined her multiple times, slammed her off the cage,
hit her with the big boot. Did she had her
with a lake drop too?

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
I don't know, but I could just picture, you know,
Bitschoff being like, yo, you gotta make Hogan look strong.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
She was saying for Sheridan too. He hit her with
a big boot, kicked her in the face. Good lord,
this is the good no wonder people were doing him.
He just beat up this woman. He ain't just like
throw her away from him and like I get out
of here. He was punching her, closed line of her,
running through both of them pounds, She's bumping for him,

(01:49:03):
body Slammeriner Like what.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
How about the leap she did off the cage without shoes.
I was like, oh my god, Like suld not hurt herself.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
She was dope. She was a hell of a performer. Yeah,
she was fantastic. Hogan hits her with a big boot
and I think he hit her to lake drop, but
he definitely hit Flair with the big boot and lake
drop drags miss the tee over who was still handcuffed,
and the King scene. He's still handcuffed, but he still
has enough wherewithal to count Flair's shoulders to the mat,

(01:49:35):
handing Rick Flair, not Rick Flair Handinghog Hogan the victory
and ending Ric Flair's career. Sick. It didn't have her
hand like Chris should have.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
Like Tody's like, just screw you, Hen he needs crying,
and he's crying. Ali is giving Hogan his trophy. Trophy, Okay,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
The so Hogan is hugs Puhamad Ali and he celebrates
in the ring because Hogan must pose, and that's what
he does. Ali and his entourage they walk out, mister
Teth like we're done, bye bye, Let's go make sure
my check is in the mail. Like this foundation check

(01:50:27):
is cool, but make sure my check is in the mail,
all right, you know what it's in the check too, Okay,
I'll be playing with my money, right. And then the
mass man returns, comes back out and attempts to attack Hogan.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Have enough time to run down there, Tony and stop him.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Bit he end enough time to attack Hogan before he
turned around. Oh good god, he know he was gonna
no I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Friend I love the redeal man, help you you love it?
I love it? Oh my god, what's coming? Probably takes
it off and then just walks away and said.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
You don't want to see it. Need Holden.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Did not look the thorns at all.

Speaker 11 (01:51:41):
Yeah, oh my god, friendship Man's.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Butchered a friendship right away, right away?

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Oh my god, Oh no, didn't you believe there's like products,
Can you bliate this? Can you blive this?

Speaker 6 (01:52:14):
Could this done?

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
They cannot even They called this like it was like
a two boute.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Yeah, they really did little. They started to rubble like
an adelante boom. Oh my god, Tony is so distraught
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Neither do I for crying out loud, this is embarrassing.
That's embarrassing. That's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
I had the whole thing, but I'll stop it there because.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
That's a that's a blemish on Tony Shavanni's unless she
has Korea. Calling that with a straight face, Oh my god,
could you have unbelievable? That's an avalanche coming.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
He starting to rumble.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
He went from calling brother brute eye being in revealed
like a goddamn episode of Scooby Doo, and I would
have got away with it wasn't for that meddling. Sting
he called that like it was like the biggest betrayal
in the history of mankind history a two brewed eye,

(01:53:31):
like come on, oh my god, can you believe this?

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
No, And then he went to from that to the building's.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Rumbling, the fact that he was like like an avalanche.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Like, just like an avalanche. You've been in the avalanche? Right,
how many avalanches you've been inch, you've been in part
of an avalanche. I've never been in an avalanche before.
Maybe Tony. Maybe Tony's been in and survived multiple avalanches.
We don't even know. Maybe Anyway, as you heard that,
the Dong the doom comes out and attacks Hogan. Well

(01:54:09):
this is the beginning this.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
I think they called themselves the three Phases of Fear
before the dozen the Doom Moniker started. So this is
like the beginning of that, which is just crazy to
think about.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
This pretty much sets up the next year of W'W television. Yep,
Sting comes out to Hawk Hogan for some reason, because
Hulk Hogan just always he is a friend the friends
and didn't walk. But this is next year of w
W television is Hogan versus the dungeon the dune, and
well it will culminate with Halloween having ninety five.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Oh boy, that's gonna be good next year.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Hawk Hogan versus the Dongen of Doom's like ace up
the sleeve in the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
Giant Andre's son.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Or I'm dre because he's been talking about my pop
for a whole year. My body slamming my late father.
I gotta come beat jazz. That's the rue. Like Bernie
Max at a house party. Three. Oh my daddy did not.
I got to catch you. That's the rule resting piece

(01:55:21):
of Berdie Mack, by the way. But I mean, I
don't blame quote unquote Andre's son for one with Holgan's
ass are you? Are you different? The whole year and
talk about how much you can slam my dad. Dad.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
He probably ordered the pay per view, was watching it
at home. Paul White was just starting to have a
nice evening and then invoke his dad into the pro
and I get it. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
I'm coming back with a monster truck so in a mummy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Oh man, that's in that events too. Oh yeah, yet day,
We're gonna have a field day with that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
We're gonna have a field day. You thought, Tony, all
of this was bad.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
Wait to hear about the yet certainly we'll clip that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
That was Halloween Having nineteen ninety four, and the worst
is yet to come on episode three oh five. But
on three oh four. Any final thoughts on Halloween Havoc
ninety four.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
I mean it was a good reminder of the first
WCW pay per view I ever watched. I remember a
lot about it. I mean, I've seen worse, so it
it was what it was. I do remember the ending.
I remember being shocked because I still didn't watch WW
that much, even when Hogan went over at first, so

(01:56:47):
this was like the like I didn't watch it every week,
So probably the real first big show of WCW I
watched while Hogan was there. So I remember Brutus Beefcake.
I remember they were friends on WF like in ninety
three when they went to WrestleMania's Attack Team and stuff
against Money Inc. So seeing that term was kind of
like wow, like that's crazy that they're doing this, and

(01:57:09):
like I get I was interested as a nine year old,
but I just loved the wrestling, So it was what
it was I mean it was Hall Cove and Rick Flair.
I mean, wrestling was wrestling to me. I still didn't
love it more than WWF, but it was still like
I've rewatched the pay per view a few times. I
didn't order Starkade. I was like, I'm okay, I'm out

(01:57:30):
on that. But it didn't make me watch WCW every
week after that. But I was like, uh, Halloween, have
it like cool? Okay? That was it?

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
What a time? What a time? This was? Man, I
can't talk about how we have ninety five. No, that's
gonna be it's gonna be so much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
Yeah, because you did a you basically live commentated on
Ring RUSS Radio right a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
We did I gotta find an episode. I'm gonna find
an episode of Ring RST Radio that was a lot
of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:57:59):
Maybe we'll plug out on a Twitter, see if we
can find that the archives of their archives not ourtists, right,
you know what, maybe I'll clip that all, you know,
maybe I'll ask them if we can put it on
our Patreon or something. When you guys live commentated that, see,
see if we can do that, that would be funny
that that was because you guys do that on the

(01:58:21):
Royal Rumble right twenty eighteen or something.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
So yep, so that was a lot of fun. But yeah,
and I did a throwback Thursday on phillid dot com
about that as well, back and I think twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:58:40):
So you definitely got to pull that up and you know,
write some things down and be like, if you watch
it this time, see if you have any any differences
or similarities and stuff like that, because that I always
enjoy doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna check that out. That story was that
was something else. Man. The screen grab I got for
that story of I think it's the Giant and the
Yetta and a Hogan sandwich while Jimmy Hart, who also
joined a Dungeon No Doom, he turned on Hogan. Oh

(01:59:15):
my god, he's jumping up and down and it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
I think that was when Luger eventually turned on everyone
and joined the Dungeon Doom as well.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
He turned on him that night as well. He was
in the ring watching it. So we're gonna get all
into it, but before that, let's wrap up episode three
h four.

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