REWIND: WWF In Your House: Buried Alive '96 Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sony's PlayStation presents.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Buried a Flyve.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
For tonight. Let's dive into in Your House eleven Buried Alive,
shall we?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Let's I am pumped, I can.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Tell, I can tell. Let's start here, like I said
around this time and in nineteen ninety six, we're talking
October twentieth. As we record this, it's October fourteenth, so
about a week from today, twenty four years ago, we
had Bared Alive in your House eleven, Like I said,
emanate from the Market Square Arena in Indianapolis, Indiana, once

(00:50):
known as the home of the Indiana Pacers, Reggie Mill
and the Boys to be going Ham in Market Square Arena.
They almost won the NBA Finals, not in Marcus Square Arena.
I think they had moved out by the time they
got to the NBA Finals and lost to the Lakers.
But they got closed a couple of times when they
went against the Bulls and Jordan at Marcus Square Arena.
So that's a that's a if you're a basketball fan,

(01:11):
that's a dope building from back in the nineties at least.
But one thing I wanted to talk about before we
kind of dove into this specific show is a year
that I think doesn't get talked about a lot for WWE,
and that's nineteen ninety six. I think people talk about
nineteen ninety seven a lot, and of course ninety eight
and beyond.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Ninety five too, right, But I think ninety six.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
A lot of times in wrestling you talk about ww
for obvious reasons. It's ninety five for were terrible reasons.
But I think ninety six is WWS year because that's
when nWo started and that's when they kind of started
their since. But WWE in ninety six kind of gets
overlooked in my opinion. But I thought that ninety six

(01:53):
was obviously the beginning of the turning point, like it
started to turn or write the ship, so to speak.
From the actor math in ninety five. But I thought
that I think in hindsight, ninety six was a decent
year for WWF from a standpoint that you know, brad
Hart Shawn Michaels were the top guys mostly Sean Michael's

(02:15):
ninety six. Brad Hart started in the beginning and at
the end missed most of the year, but then you
saw the the rise of Steve Auston, at least the
beginning stages of that, Steve Auston, the stone cold character
has to say there's some decent wrestling and undertaking mankind
doing things. Sid was over, Vader was there, even though
that didn't really work out the way it should have.
But I'm just curious as to what your thoughts and

(02:36):
what do you remember about nineteen ninety six WWF.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, I was still even though you know, I was
very surprised and Razor and Diesel you know, went over
to WCW, and I started.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Sure that they were right there on this show.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I saw him, Oh yeah, the backstage segment right they.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Were, Yeah, I saw him right there. So Hall, Kevin
Nash with the WSW but there you go, raising Ramon
and Diesel, they were still in WSF.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah. When Scott Hall and Kevin Nash there you go,
uh showed up on Nitro, I was like interested. I
you know, still didn't have the Internet, so I was like, wow,
I was like WWF invading. But then I didn't see
anything on WWF programming, so I was still you know,
I was ten years old. I was like okay, Like

(03:24):
I understood wrestling by that point, so I was like, okay,
if they're not showing up on WFTV, so I think
they're clearly with WCW and they're this is all like
an angle, but it obviously I didn't say angle because
I didn't know what the hell they were back then,
but I was like, Wow, they're coming as like they
probably worked at WCW, but they're they represent the WWF.

(03:47):
So the funniest thing to me was, you know I've
set up before on this podcast. Eric Bischoff has mentioned
in the past that the whole premise of Hall and
Nash coming back to WCW was that they were former
stars and there were former wrestlers in WCW. They went
to the WWF to it became stars, and then they
came back to run rough shot on the people that

(04:09):
I guess did them wrong in ww but that was
never like to me, like even looking back at these
shows that did not hit like whatever he thought that
was supposed to be. And maybe he's just saying it
now because he can't maybe he can't legally say yeah,
we were, you know, pitching these two XWWF guys, but

(04:30):
they were still with WWF coming in and running roughshot
on WCW. That's what they had mentioned at the Great
American Bash that year, do you guys work for the WWF?
And they said no, but you know clearly that was
the intentions. So I was still like pro WWF at
this time Shawn Michael's rise. I was behind him all

(04:52):
the way, like even in ninety five when he came
back after Sid beat him up. So I was a
big Shawn Michaels fan. I wasn't a fan of Brett
Hart because he talked, you know, all this crap on
Shawn Michael's so big Shawn Michael's fan. I didn't know
what to think about his few with Davey boy Smith
with Vader that was kind of a weird thing at SummerSlam.

(05:12):
But you know, mind Games in Philly. I didn't go there,
but I watched it on you know, pay per view,
and like I was just into it, like I was invested.
I was very upset when he lost its Survivor series
to Sit. I was like, that makes no sense, that's stupid.
And he didn't even wrestle here on the very live
pay per view, but he was, you know, on camera.

(05:33):
So that was like a big Shaw Michael's fan. My
sister was a big Shawn Michaels fan. Undertaker Mankind was
like the coolest few looking back, like I was actually
like scared. I was like, oh my god, Mankind's gonna
be the one to like take down the other Taker.
Like but you know, I didn't see this pay per
view live and like it tore me up at the time,

(05:54):
and it's like this is one of my favorite feuds
of the year, like even without the nWo, Like this
was my this was my feud. And when Paul Berger
turned on the Undertaker at SummerSlam, I was like heartbroken,
you know, like I was legitimately invested in the w
WF in nineteen ninety six, very interested in what they did,

(06:14):
like the smoking guns, turning heel and that being what
Sunny was interesting to me. Everything seemed to be like
changing as it was like as I was growing up,
WWF was growing up almost and like you said, stone
Cold Steve Austin became popular or became like a huge character,
and I was like, wow, like he's really mean, you know,
like what is this what life is like? Like a
adults really like this, Like yeah, so yeah, exactly. So

(06:39):
I was very into it. I was enjoying it. I
was very you know, upset at the pay per views
that I missed. But then you know, Austin and Pillman,
that gun Angle. I was just like, oh my god,
Like this stuff is like real now, like wrestling as real.
It's not like when I grew up in Halt Cogan
and Randy Savage and the Ultimate Warrior, Like it's not
like that anymore. So yeah, I was, you know, this

(07:02):
time in ninety six, ninety six. Overall, definitely, January felt
a lot different than October did. But you know, I
was still firmly like WWF all the way. I didn't
really watch WCW, even with the nWo surge, but yeah,
that's kind of how I was.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, I wasn't even watching wrestling at this point, so
I can't tell you what it was like for me
back in ninety six. I was probably watching a lot
of I know, I was watching a lot of football
at this point, But looking back and watching stuff from
nineteen ninety six, it was like WWF was trying. You
could tell they were trying to change their tone, but
there was still some of that hockey cartoony type stuff

(07:45):
from ninety five, ninety four, ninety five and that time
period in the product, but it was slowly being phased
out like and if Mark Merrill had come along in
like ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, he would have
been way more over than what he was a boy
ninety six. It was that tide was turning where a
person like Marcolm Merrow wasn't the top guy anymore. It

(08:07):
was Stone Cold or Seawn Michaels or Sid who will
talk about later on, was wildly over on this night
and as Survivor series. So you could tell that there
was something changing in w W if it was a
slow change though, that's the thing, and that's why they
fell behind w's w as much as they did, because

(08:27):
they would turning it up and w's WF was very
slow to make that. Like I said, that changed some
more of a realistic adult oriented product. But you can see,
like I said, bits and pieces of it here and
there in this show and throughout ninety six. It just
again took a while for it to really get turned
all the way up to eleven, as Spinal Tap would say.

(08:51):
But yeah, it's like I said, it's an interesting year.
I think that doesn't really get talked about a lot.
I think there's you know, if you really dig into
there might be some interesting tidbits and things and some
stories to come out. In ninety six, in particular, you
have Sean Michaels that to pretty much the peak of
his powers as far as being a top I mean,
he was still top guy ninety seven through ninety eight,
but ninety six was his time at the top of

(09:14):
the mountain, especially as a babyface, and he was running around,
you know, not being the best person in the world.
You know, triple As is in the doghouse after the
curtain call, like I said, stone Cold, when King of
the Ring he's doing his thing, Brett Hart goes away
for a while, he comes back and you got the stuff.
I'm sure there's something going on with Sid Then you

(09:34):
got the Vader stuff because that didn't work out the
way it should have. I mean, it was just so
much actually going on in ninety six on top of
the fact, oh wait, by the way, you know Sky
Hall and Kevin n Ash left just you know, boom, they're gone.
So yeah, that was a that was a pivotal year
for wwfn w's w obviously, so this figure we touched

(09:54):
on that before we kind of get into the show
to kind of set some get some contexts to what
we're going into here. I buried alive first off, right
off top though, that WW intro with the for fifty years,
it's the greatest, you know that whatever they said, I
can't remember said.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I wrote it down. Okay, Revolutionary Force and sports Entertainment.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm not sure if they were really the revolutionary Force
in ninety six.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well they said for over fifty years, so maybe they were, like,
you know, maybe.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
They were still They're still count except that happened in
the eighties, you know. But I always thought it was
interesting with it that they changed the colors of that
little intro over time, Like it was red and they
became blue, just a little yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Then they had like the block type thing which is
just gray and yeah. Yeah, this one was interesting with
the red of black clouds and lightning and thunder.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
It's like whoa, yeah, yeah, it's almost like scary. Imnistah,
gotta look out the window and be like look at
a store, like hell's going on? We're turning on lights
on your house.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
By the way, I was a weather freak at this
time of my life. I would watch the Weather Channel
a lot, and I would like stare outside when there
are black clouds. I was like afraid of tornadoes and whatnot.
So yeah, definitely a weather freak.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Watching the Weather Channel as a ten year old kid.
There you go, Nick becomes weather Channel in wrestler.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, because I wasn't in baseball. That was the only
sport I watched.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
So yep, speaking of baseball, wasn't it All Star game
in Philly in ninety six?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It was? It was Funneran Stadium, yep.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
And it'll be back in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Six, twenty twenty six, yep. And there was one All
Star that year from the Phillies and he was Ricky Batalico.
He was the closer.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Oh and for those who say Rico, I was gonna
say Rico Bronia. But I don't know if he's even
on a team at that point.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I don't remember the years they all run together, but.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Right, I just remember him from the nineties and the
early two thousands, when the Phillies were not a great
team at that point, this, like Mike liber Thal, was
like the guy, the guy at that point.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
He was. He was my guy because everybody's got I was.
I was the catcher, you know, little League, so it'd
be like Libra Thal. But it patterned my game after him,
you know.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Not a bad person that patterned after he was. He
was in the bigs.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
He was that he was.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
He was a good player. It's a decent player. I
was watching the intro and it's really about, obviously, the
main event. The show is called Buried Alive, so of
course the intro is going to be all about this bear,
the live match between Mankind and the Undertaker, And it
got me to thinking, and I kind of asked myself
a question, and I'm going to pose it to you.

(12:51):
It's Mankind the Undertaker's best rival, uh, because you got
to think we running on kind of the list of
rivals here. Mankind is on there, Kine, Yeah, maybe Shawn Michael.
So I would throw Shawn Michael's on there. Yeah, I
mean for me, I mean, I don't know who else

(13:13):
really is in that stratosphere towards rivals for the Undertaker.
I know some pie people might throw Triple H in there,
but I don't think him and Triple H had as much,
you know, great matches obviously as him and Shawn Michaels did.
And so I don't know, I mean, Brock maybe, I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
That you're listening to the ones that I thought like right
off the top of my head. But for me, like
Mankind and Kane, I guess you can just go either
or because even though Kine, you know, I just watched
the twenty ten Hell on the Cell match by the
way between them, because I don't think I had ever
watched that match before, and you know it was twenty ten,

(13:52):
I was kind of like, I wasn't I didn't go
into full sabbatical, but I was in and out of
wrestling that year, you know, like when the next Is
became popular, that's when I kind of like got back in.
But then by October when they had you know, Hell
in a Cell, I was kind of like wishy washy,
I guess is the best way is to describe it.
So their later matches aren't that good, But man, I

(14:15):
don't like Mankind attacking the Undertaker in ninety six the
day after WrestleMania was pretty good. But Caine debuting at
the first selling to sell and yeah, setting that tone,
you know for that feud through the years. Really, I
mean they were feuding and then they were together, they
were able to tag team, you know, when the Undertaker

(14:35):
was the American badass. They were like the Brothers of Destruction,
and you know, they were off and on, you know,
like feuding and tag and I think, you know, at
least the story kind of was like, okay, like brothers
don't always get along, so at this point, like they're feuding,
but you know, they came back together. I don't know.
In my opinion, I think I like the Undertaker and

(14:57):
Kane feud or rivalry a little bit more than the
Undertaker of Mankind.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's a fair assessment. I think they had higher profile matches,
so to speak. I mean, I don't know if they
had a WrestleMania match. Mick Foley Mankind was saying undertake
it did not, And that was like six months at
least built up. So that was that first encounter was huge.
And then they had the Infernal Match and stuff like that,

(15:24):
and then they had the WrestleMania twenty match, which wasn't
good to match itself, but the build up was big
because they that the dead Man Undertaker came back, so
that was that was a big deal. I think the
Undertaker Mankind stuff though, uh for Undertaker was definitely for
him his best rival to date. In ninety six, when

(15:45):
you think about he didn't have a bunch of great
feuds up until that point.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean it was like, uh, nothing made sense because
you know he would always beat you know, like he
went through the corporation a year prior, like from ninety
six or I mean ninety five, it was like a
different member of the corporation like that every month.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
King Kong Bundi, Kama Mustafa, Giant Gonzalez, Jake the Snake,
Jimmy Snooker, I mean who Yokozuna was there for a
little bit as a rival for a little bit ninety four.
But yeah, I think ninety six Mankind was definitely his
best rival to date, and they had some memorable matches.

(16:24):
I mean, I think they had more good matches than
him and Kane did.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I would agree with that, even though.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Like again now we can't like this is how we
can't leave by Sean Michaels because I think him and
Sean Michaels had the Hell in the Cell matches probably
a five star classic. Yeah, and then the match at
Wrestlemena twenty five is my favorite WrestleMania match of all time.
So they had two of my favorite matches of all time.
But just for the depth of matches, the baller Room Brawl,

(16:54):
the Beard Alive, and the Hell in the Cell ninety eight,
I mean, the Helen and Cell ninety eight is probably
still the most memorable match of the last twenty five years.
And how many how many other matches get replayed as
much as that match?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, and you think of it, it didn't.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
And the sound bites and all that, Yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Didn't have to build you know, the way.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Grown together exactly grown together and they and then take
a through man con off the cell.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, and I felt like I think mc foley said
this before, like they didn't really have anything, Like you said,
it was thrown together. So what can what can they
do to really leave a mark with this particular match,
And you know he just okay, throw me off the cell.
You know. Then, like you said, it's played over and
over and over again. I used the Jim Ross call

(17:41):
on that all the time for just like sports clips,
because everyone loves like JR. Commentary and you know it
makes me laugh, you know, so you know that's the call.
That's the call I use, and that's the call and
everyone uses up. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I think it's an interesting discussion though that of like
to take his best rivals, maybe you can go like
one by one deep into him and analyze them, what
made him good, where did they fall apart? But I
think mankind is definitely in the top two or three.
I'm to take his best rivalries. But we now get

(18:17):
into the show, and I don't know if you remember
this at all, but I really don't because I don't
know why there was this thing going on with Jim Ross.
Maybe because he had to hold Diesel and Razor ramon
thing going on. But throughout the first half hour of
the show, Jim Ross could not get catch a break

(18:38):
when it came to his audio. And of course this
is storyline, this is not real, but he's it sounded
like he was shooting the way he was upset about it.
He did a good job of acting, I would assume,
but he just couldn't get a word in. It is
cutting out, and he's claiming conspiracies and the man is
doing this and that and whatever. It was kind of weird,
And I don't know, I don't know how you felt

(19:00):
about it, but for me, it was kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I never liked seeing like commentators act like that. You know,
ten years old. I'm like, you know, this is weird,
and obviously I didn't know real fake, Like I had
an idea, but the only proof I had was you know,
older people telling me wrestling's fake and say, oh, well thanks,
like I don't care. But seeing Jim Ross act like this,

(19:22):
I was just kind of like confused. It was like
every week I have to you know, I think it
all started with like a promo after like when he
brought back Razor. He didn't really act like a heel
up until that promo. You know, at mind Games, they
showed you know, Razor Ramone and Diesel backstage beating up

(19:44):
Savio Beggar or whatever. The cameraman was so far away,
ran up to them, couldn't get into the locker room,
and they went away. So Jim Ross was like sitting
there like I told you so. But to me, he
didn't really come across as a heel until the next
night when he actually introduced Razor Ramone because he I
had a promo you know, talking crap on McMahon before that,

(20:05):
so they just kind of went with this for a
few months, you know, maybe in this Survivor series, but
by early ninety seven, like that was done, like, you know,
we didn't see this Jim Ross, so I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
But they brought it back again. And what ninety eight
when he was like, I want my child back because
he had the Phill's palsy and he wanted his job back,
and he brought back doctor Desty Williams and he brought it.
I remember vividly remember him having his own announced table
set up in front of the Michael cole One, which
was so weird. He's a heel at that point. It
was like what the hell, Like what is going on here?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And I don't know if maybe he was like what
because he comes across as the type of person like
he's loyal to Vincement Man because he allowed him to
have a good living. And that's kind of like Jr's
go to whenever he talks about, you know, Vincent Man,
he just talks about loyalty. He was loyal to Evince
because he felt like Fence was loyal to him through
the years, even though he fired him a couple of times,

(21:04):
but he still gave him the opportunity to make a
good living. You know, he's and I think that's kind
of where he's at right now. When he talks about it.
But back then, you're like, you're seeing this play out
on TV. I mean, maybe he was just happy he
was on TV. I don't know, Like this is a
weird thing to give Jim Ross time after times like
he did it, like at least maybe another time after this.

(21:27):
I don't really remember, uh, you know, throughout the aughts,
but this was definitely a weird thing because I was like,
I like JR. Even before I got online, before I
got online, and everyone like, you know, showing Jim Ross love.
Like I was sitting at home just listening to him.
I was like, I like this guy. But he was

(21:48):
doing this stuff on live Wire. He wasn't just doing
it on like the raw and pay per views. He
was doing it on live Wire. Maybe that's why I
love Why Why. Maybe that's why I love live Wire.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
You got it out.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Uh JR. Is a bit of a horn dog today,
but uh but hey, look man, he's a lonely guy.
I guess he you know, brother god needs, I guess.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
But he did tragically lose his wife, and I think
people just kind of gloss over that, and that's gotta
be a big deal.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, that that's definitely something that's that's obviously affecting him
still to this day. I think, like you said, people
kind of just gloss over that, but I think that
it doesn't necessarily mean he could just do whatever he
want to do. But you know that that still has
an effect on people, and it.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
May offer an excuse, but it's you know, nobody likes excuses,
but at least it's something that you're like, well, would
it be different if you know, he wasn't if he
didn't go through that.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I would imagine his wife wouldn't want him being a
horn dog on social media.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
But back to in your House Buried Alive, though I
mentioned here to the stage, as simplistic as it was,
it was kind of dope. The little graveyard gate cemetery gate.
I thought that was kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Look, I wrote, words were simple and cool at the
answers with the gate, just it was literally the theme
of the show and that's all they needed. They did,
like it would have been cool with you know, more things,
but that gate. It was kind of like the thing
that could have held everything together if they made it bigger,
and that's really the only thing they had. And I

(23:32):
noticed it you know when Triple H made his entrance,
you know, it was the first toime ever really noticed it,
and I was like, wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
It made me think about and this is this is
a totally departure, total departure from what we're talking about.
Maybe think about when I worked for the Arena Football
League or the Philadelphia Soul in particular in twenty twelve, right,
and we were great team and went to the Arena
Bowl and the Arena Bowl that you know, the neutral site.

(24:00):
In twenty twelve, it was in Nu Orleans and there
was a team in Nu Orleans. They're called the New
Orleans Voodoo, and part of their whole thing was that
they had like the skulls. It was actually dope like
kind of aesthetic they had. And they had like when
they called the arena they nicknamed the Graveyard, and when
their team would make their interest, they had like the
cemetery gate type of thing. And it was actually kind

(24:21):
of dope for the Voodoo. Right. But when it's the
Arena Bowl and it's a twenty fifth championship game in
a rena football ergue history, you know, I guess they
left it up to the Voodoo to kind of like
produce the game, I guess, and like put it on
the show, and the voodoo is like, you know what,
throw them cemetery gates out there for the soul and

(24:44):
the rattlers in the arena bowl, Like what this don't
fit at all? Like why did y'all do this? So
little memory that there for me in my arena football days.
He lost that game, by the way, it was heartbreaking.
It was sad. But moving on to our first match

(25:08):
of the night here at Buried Alive a couple of
years later, this is a main event on any pay
per view and but here in nineteen ninety six, it
is a match that has Steve Austin Stone Coll Steve
Austin going against an injury replacement and Hunter Hurst Helmsley.
He wasn't even on the original card. Savio Vega was

(25:29):
supposed to go against Steve Austin because they had a
long running few to ninety six, but he gets injured
and out of the doghouse. It comes triple h. As
I mentioned earlier, he was the only person who was
going to get punished out of their curtain call because
National Hall they left the WSW and Sean Michaels was
a champion, so triple h, you're in a doghouse fan.

(25:49):
So he wasn't even on this show, and here he
comes out to go against Steve Austin and a heel
versus heel match, which was odd, but you go by
the crowd reaction, this wasn't a heel versus seal match.
Steve Austin was getting cheered, and I wrote down who
didn't see Steve Austin coming on as a babyface? Like

(26:13):
how could they not see this happening? When he cut
that promo before this match, I'm like, that is a
guy that everybody's going to love like, And I know
Steve Auston didn't necessarily want to be a baby face.
He fought off the idea, and I'm pretty sure that
the WWF Vincent, whoever was making those decisions, didn't necessarily
think that. You know, he was going to be a
babyface right away. Obviously maybe years down the line, but

(26:35):
you watched his promo and you hear this crowd, it's
like he's a babyface right now, Like, yeah, he's going
to go against Bret Hart and all that, but people
like Steve Austin today.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, And I was kind of surprised by that. I
was not one of those. Even back in ninety six,
I did not really like stone cold Steve Auston until
Russell Madia thirteen, you know, did the double turn. That's
kind of when, and I think it was honestly Jim
Ross on commentary talk about how Austin never gave up.

(27:08):
He doesn't want any help, like putting over the fact that,
you know, he's tough and he doesn't want anyone like
that type of thing people love. So that's kind of
where I started liking him. So even what was this
six months before that, even though the crowd was cheering
him and it was pretty audible even on raw and

(27:29):
and these pay per views, I was not. I was
not a fan of his. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well you weren't supposed to be so, but.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Like that promo you talked about, like that was just
so good because he didn't miss a beat.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Right, he was so good. And it's not like they
were in like New York or Philly or Chicago where
they might cheersome heals. They were in Indianapolis, like you know,
so if they want to boot him, they were they
would boo him, but they didn't, so they weren't they
were with him. We got to mention that on this commentary.
The commentary team was Jim Ross until he left, but

(28:04):
VisiC Man was on Playboy Play and Jerry Lawler was
on Color Commentary. This was not a duo I liked
just missing out there right now. Jerry Lawler and Jim
Ross great, Vince McMahon and Machaman of vincick Man and
Jesse even tour pretty good, I want to say great.

(28:25):
I don't think Vismcmann was great. He had his moments,
I guess, But Vis sick Man and Jerry Lawler I
was not a fan of.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I'm a fan of Lawler. Dumping on that always made
me laugh, you know, and clearly I you know, it
was if they had a match or whatever, I'd be
pulling for Vince, you know, I was like, always wanted
the good guy to win. But to me, it just
made me laugh. I didn't hate it. I didn't love it,
but you know, I dealt with it.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean, we all had to at some point, but
this mad they had a decent match. Oh before the match, actually,
Steve Alston's entrance, I read in multiple places that this
was the first time that Steve Alston used his iconic
or the first version of his iconic theme song with
the glass shattering and the dun dun dun dun dun dunk.

(29:19):
That's why I read that. Now, I'm not sure if
that's true, but I've read that on the internets, and
you gotta believe everything you see on the internet. Absolutely,
So that's what I That's what I read, and I
wrote that in and I read it back in twenty seventeen,
because I wrote about this event back in twenty seventeen

(29:39):
from Philly dot Com And yeah, I read it back
then too. So apparently this is the first this is
the debut of that first version of his iconic theme song,
So get that out of the way. But this match
was a typical match, just you know, two guys working hard,

(29:59):
trying to get you know, do some stuff, and then
out of nowhere, uh, mister Perfect came down to the
ring in a suit, in a blue suit. You know.
He he was apparently scheduled to return the next night
to go against Triple H.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
But he showed up. Man. I remember that. I remember
that like it was yesterday. I remember being so hyped
for that. I'm being so upset when it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Why didn't happen?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
They faked the injury to mister Perfect, and uh, then
I guess Mark Merrow came out with Perfect like like
it Perfect was kind of like immense word for Mark
Merrow and mister Perfect kind of I was like, yeah,
he'll he'll put on the he'll put the icy tidle
on the line, he'll fight you like a man, and
then boom, mister Perfect turned on Marrow. He was actually

(30:50):
Triple H's manager from that point for a couple of
weeks before he left the w WF entirely, but I
was so excited to see him wrestle again, and they
pulled the old bait and switch.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
That's terrible. Also in this match, though, we have the
nineteen ninety six King of the Ring going against the
nineteen ninety seven King of the Ring, who of course
didn't win it ye because it's sill nineteenninety six. But uh,
Triple Ah eventually got out of the doghouse win the
ninety seven King of the Ring and became a bajillion

(31:24):
time world champion, as we all know. But in this match,
he was just Hunter Hurst Helmsley mister Purfact comes out
kind of you know, cracks on Triple Ah's ballet, you know,
spits some game tour walks off with her, but not
before Steve Awston tosses the soda in his face. It's

(31:45):
some distraction going on. Eventually, Steve Fawston hits the stunner
and beats Triple h. A lot of weirdness, there's a
lot of weird stuff going on, but I will say this,
the stunner in the pen got a huge reaction from
the fans. They loved every second of it.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, looking the Remember so I didn't watch Burry Live live.
I did subscribe to the WF magazine back then. I
will get it in the mail every month, and I remember,
I don't remember, like they didn't talk about this match,
you know the next I don't row or anything like that.
I'm not sure if they showed stills or anything. So

(32:24):
I was really confused when I got the magazine like
an a couple months later and they go, you know,
through the results of the pay per views and I
saw like this match. I was like that was on
Buried Alive, Like what like they were both bad guys.
I was so confused and then they had like mister
Perfect show up, but by the time I got the magazine,
he was already gone, you know, and I was just like,

(32:46):
what the hell is going on here? And you know,
I never read the articles that much in the magazine.
I just looked at you know, they had the cool
things that like the smaller type things I would read,
or like any games or whatever like that. Like I
was ten years old, I didn't really read articles. And yeah,
I saw this and I was like, what the hell,

(33:06):
Like Triple Ah versus Austin, that's weird. I was just
not feeling it. I guess mm, Like.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I said, three four years later, this is the main
event on this show. It wasn't even advertised because it
was Triple A was a or Hunter Hurst Helmsley was
an injury replacement on this night. Also wrote down. So
I also wrote down that Steve Austin audibly cussed out

(33:34):
mister Perfect when he came out to the ring. He
definitely dropped the F bomb and there they got picked
up on the microphones.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Stone cold. He was.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
He was method acting in that character. He was you
need to go off, you had to go off. I
don't know if you had anything else to add to this.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Before found it interesting, Jim Rowson commentary stated that he's
responsible for Brett Hart being on Roll. The next night,
they were talking about Brett Hart a lot. This was
him coming back for the first time since WrestleMania, and
they talked about it, and I'd read in The Wrestling

(34:15):
Observer that apparently WWF didn't know Brett Hart's decision between
because they were legit negotiations going on between WCW and
the WWF at the time, and he had an offer
from WCW for more money, and Vince McMahon didn't really
know if Brett was going to show up and sign

(34:35):
with the WWF, but he was going to show up
and Raw. You know, they were in the middle of
the ratings were at this point, and I'm sure Vince
was like, apparently he didn't care if Brett Hart chose WCW.
They would let him announce that it's ninety six. WWF
is so weird, man, because I can actually believe that
because they were trying these different things. But apparently they

(34:59):
made Jim Ross say that he's responsible for Bret Heart
being on RAW because if he didn't show up and
showed up on night trunk instead, they can actually make
him take the heat, you know, right on the same
with like razor and diesel and that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So that's bizarre.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, I did, you know a little digging into that.
I didn't. I didn't realize that was the reasoning because
I always thought it was weird because I do remember
Jim Ross saying stuff like that. But you know, yeah,
and the next night he showed up on Raw. That
was like when he signed that twenty year contract Brett
Heart did with the w WF.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
So yeah, yeah, that twenty year contract that lasted all
but one year. Yeah if that long? So uh. Moving
on to our second match with the ninth four, which
is for the WWF Tag Team the World Tag Team titles,
I should say, the Smoking Guns going up against the

(35:55):
defending champions Owen Hart and the British Bulldog. I wrote
down here that before the match, Billy Gunn Boy was
he simping for Sonny?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Oh my goodness, he said simping. I said smitten, But
simpon's a good word.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Simping ain't easy. Smitten ain't easy. He was doing it
all And look here's the thing, Sonny, she is a
goofball and a half these days, it's not even sugar coated.
She's not to be someone to be admired, she said,
and has done a lot of dumb things over the years.
With that said, though, next ninety six she was bad

(36:34):
as I don't know what bro like. She was on.
She was a certified batty, she was a goof, and
she was doing some some wild things behind the scenes.
But she was looking good. Bro, I can't hate on her.
She was looking good back in ninety six. I'm not
saying she look good now. Back in ninety six, though, man.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Listen, I was all about Sonny and I and it
was funny because she was. She came in as a
heel with Skip and I was always like, Wow, she's hot,
like you know, ten years old, and I'm like, yeah, okay,
And she just got better, you know, the next year
and into ninety seven, even in ninety eight, you know,
and she was bad. I was. I was a sunny Mark.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, a lot of people were. Again, let me reiterate
twenty twenty, Sonny not great. No, did not know. Time
has not done her well as far as knowledge, I
should say, nope.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
But nineteen ninety six through ninety eight Sonny whoo doggy
is what does Booker t say? Shucky sucky quack quack.
She was shucky ducky, quite quack, whatever it is. She
was looking good, not gonna lie, not gonna lie good.
But so I see why it's believable that someone would

(37:56):
be simping over Sonny, including Billy Gunn, who was doing
that here in nineteen ninety six, I wrote down here
as well that Heart and Bulldog were managed by Clarence Mason,
who was the lawyer of the w DO. He even
told the rector that he's gonna assume him for a
messing up a call.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
And you know what's funny, The reason he's the manager
is because he had Jim Cornett sign over his you know,
managerial license. I guess after he got knocked out by
jose Lethario the previous month and Mind Games.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Clarence Mason, the Johnny Cochrane knockoff, I guess, well, I
think was CLARENS. Mason the actual lawyer in real life.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I think I've read that before. Honestly, I do think
I've read that before. I'm just not sure like how
much like he practiced or whatever, because I mean, could
he he was a WWF character for quite a while,
and then I know they taped stuff in advance, so
maybe it was an easier schedule for him. He's a

(39:00):
legit lawyer, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
It's a legit lawyer. But it's just like it didn't
It wasn't a coincidence that he was made a character
on w w F t V about a year after
the oj trial and Johnny Cochran became a national name

(39:27):
because of this trial that was televised on television pretty
much around the clock. And uh, it's recipes Johnny Cochran
by the way. But yeah, that's that's no, that's not
a coincidence. They knew what he was doing, right, Clarence Mason.

(39:47):
But this match was just a basic taxi match. Wasn't
really anything to really write home about. I mean, Jim
Ross was knocking Sonny's outfit, says she's in a nightgown,
she might catching cold, says she missed a couple of
trips of the woodshed. Billy Gun messes up, Alwin Heart

(40:10):
and Bulldog Win. They retain the titles.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I have to say at mind Games they had a
terrible finish to their match and are buried alive another
terrible finish to the match. These these teams just don't mesh.
You know, they had in mind games, Billy gun going
around the pin just so he can eat a spinning

(40:35):
heel kick from Owen Hart and then this, you know,
Billy's taken forever on the top rope and Bulldog literally
is holding Bart Gun's belt and I guess bart doesn't
feel it, and then he waits forever until Billy's in
the air and then pulls him back. It's like, what
the hell's going on here? Man? It's just so bad.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, this was definitely and it's crazy because everybody involved
is very talented. Like I said, that's a shame of it. Yeah,
who wouldn't want.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
To see there? Right Bart Gunn well right.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Featured brought for all champions, but Bart Gunn could go
on heart, I mean one of the greatest of all time,
British Bulldog could go and yeah, Billy Gunnan. He was
also a really good wrestlers. So it's like, how with
all this talent, how did we get this.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Two months?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Understand it's and it's crazy to think, like this is
how it's wild? How ww turned around because with the
same people for the most part WWF didn't bring in
a ton of people. By ninety eight, they were using
not of the same people they had already had. That
they have repackaged a lot of them, which goes to
show how much talent they had already had. It just
held it back with creative you know Hunter Hurst, Helmsley,

(41:49):
Rocky Maya Villa who didn't debut until later this year
ninety six, but you know, the ring master became stone Cold,
Billy Gunn became bad ass Billy gun and joining a
new age outlaws. You had Rockabilly. You had Fake Diesel
who eventually became who was before that was a dentist
and then became Fake Diesel and then finally became Thank goodness,

(42:11):
he became Kane. You know, Like it's just like they
had all this talent. You look at the top people
and by the height of the attitude there, they were
already on the roster by ninety six. They just didn't
know what to do with them. Like a lot of
them were already there. They didn't sign a bunch of
young talent. They didn't sign the talent to fill out

(42:33):
the card until like two ninety nine, two thousand, when
they brought in like Edging Christian, the Hardy Boys, Jericho
Kurd Angle, Tasz, ben Wa Garrera like that wasn't until later,
but ninety eight they didn't have none of those guys,
and they just finally let those the talent that they
already had on the roster spread their wings and fly,

(42:54):
so to speak. But here ninety six they were not flying.
They were just hanging out. Billy Gunnos in this Oak
and Guns bart Gun was knocking people out. Yet Hunter
hest Helmsley was Hunter Hurst Helmsley. I mean Glynn Jacobs
was fake Diesel. Yeah, I mean so that's that's just

(43:15):
how that was ninety six. So anything else about this match,
I mean we had more audio issues from Jim Ross naturally.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, it was funny during that Vince said something about
the technical advisor and j R. Just looks at the
camera and does like the little smirk and then points
Evince with his pencil. I just thought his little things
were like hilarious, like he and that made laugh, you know.
Jerry Lawler telling Jim Ross to go talk to clar

(43:45):
and Space and about that was more entertaining than the
match itself. No disrespect to Owen Bulldog, Billy or Bart
but that stuff entertained me more. I just I wasn't
a fan of these matches back to back, back to
back pay per views.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, this is this is not great. This looked a
lot to be desired. Again, even with all the talent involved,
looked a lot to be desired. We get a look
at Triple H being on the Superstar line even though
he lost his match. So that's cool.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Then Jim Ross gets in the ring. He yells about
a conspiracy over the microphone. He cuts a promo and
he says, Bret Hard is gonna be here tomorrow night
Fort Wayne. Baby like making them dusty roads. I don't
know why I'm doing that. What does Bruce Pitcher say? Sassrifrize,
He's gonna be He's gonna be in Fort Wayne tomorrow night.
My Jim Ross personation is terrible. I gotta work on it.

(44:45):
But he promised Brett Hard was gonna be in Fort Wayne,
Indiana for Raw the next night, and then he left.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, I'm out, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Ye didn't. We cut to a promo where it was
a promo during the Free for All, which is the
pre show back in the day before the pre kickoff
shows and before Sunday Night Heat was like the pre show.
It was called free for all, emphasis on the free
because it was you know, you could watch it for
free on pay per view on the pay per view channel,

(45:17):
I should say. Then it would cut off as the
intro was playing. I remember doing that number of nights
watching the Free for All and then watching like the
warning come up, the pay per view warning, then the
intro and then like halfway through the first matchup like done,
Like damn, I was hoping that they would let me
slide this time the beach. Never let me slide, man.

(45:44):
But we go to that promo I was talking about
with Ferouk, who's talking about you know he was still
wearing that damn blue helmet. By the way, I don't
know what the hell again, another guy who by ninety eight,
at ninety nine was a guy like day sent Dominic.
Then the acolytes APA. I mean, come on, APA protects

(46:05):
an agency.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Super serious promo too, Like come on, dude, right, can't
what was going on? I can't work to that during
a serious promo. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
They had him and Bradshaw on the roster and then
two three years later they were like one of the funniest,
one of the best tag teams they had as the APA.
I don't know wwfnety six man, but he's talking and
then he's talking about his few I'm at Johnson, I'm
at Johnson cuts the promo. Vice McMahon talks all over

(46:33):
their promos for some reason, he needs to describe it
for some reason.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
It was so annoying. Even back then, I hated that.
I said, let me hear what the hell they're saying.
I mean, I watched the Free for All two and
I know what they said.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
But well, I know you did.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I just I just didn't understand. I mean, I didn't
see this pay per view live, but they did that
all the time. They talk over these promos. You would
never see that today.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
It shouldn't just happen, Like why play the promo just
like I don't understand, like, just shut up talk.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Just edit it, edit it down to whatever you need
and just talk about it after I care, right, or
like introduce it like they normally do to me. I
just never understood that they did the same thing with
like ring entrances, Like back in the day, with like
superstars and stuff. They would talk over the ring entrances
I'm like, yo, I want to I want to know
where this guy's from.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Parts are known? Okay, now I know some parts are known,
Like I know that he's from parts unknown now, so
that's good.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I also know that Cody hair Cody Rose dyed his
hair blood again. Well okay, all right, we're on dynamite
right now, So all right, that guy is never gonna
like have one look but.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Whatever, that's all right, that's all right. But I'm ed.
Johnson attacked for backstage apparently before the show, and his
tight ass sweatshirt mock turtleneck man in his boot cut
jeans tacked him to two, which we will see later on.
At the ninety seven to word Rumble, remember that live

(48:06):
commentated that here in the state shooters, go and look
into the archives for the ninety seven word Rumble live
commentecht that was. That was twenty seventeen, right, and that's
when ww wwe went to San Antonio for the first
time since ninety seven for the Orrid Rumble. They were
in the Alamo Domes. Oh, let's live commentate it and
it's one of the funniest rod rumbles of all time,

(48:26):
including ashy as Ahmed Johnson eliminated himself, so they can
attack for Rooke in noorid rumble with a two by four.
What a time? What a time? Moving on though, we
got mister Perfect back out here in the arena, shirt
soaking wet because Steve Awlson threw a drink on him earlier.

(48:48):
Let's do we not forget, And now he's doing the
announcing for this next match, which has gold Dust challenging
Mark Merrill for the WWF Intercontinental Chanmampionship. The wild Man
Mark Mellow comes to the ring with Sable and gold
Does come to the ring with mar Lane as his director.
And I wrote here that gold Does Circle Next ninety

(49:11):
five in nineteen ninety six with such a dope character
that was far ahead of his time, or maybe it
was at the right time because people didn't could wrap
their heads around and that's what made it so good
where maybe it was today people are i would say,
slightly more open minded, like to what the things you know,

(49:35):
more than they were back in the nineties at least,
and maybe they would be able to wrap their heads
around it more. But it had such an impact because
people was like, what what is this is? Bizarre?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Like yeah, exactly, like that was They called him like
the bizarre one, and right, I was one of those
that just couldn't wrap my head around it. I I
kind of figure from the start, at least when he
started feuding with Razor, and that's when like they really
turned it on. And in terms of like, you know,
what the hell is he doing? Is he gay? Is

(50:07):
he not? Like that's really what the whole situation was
that they was, Yeah, and I didn't know if the
hell that Matt, But you know, I didn't look at it,
you know, in a bead like. I was like, oh,
he's apparently, and I didn't look in real like My
character has never been one to discriminate against anyone like that.

(50:29):
I just I was like, Okay, this is about psychology.
He's trying to make Razor uncomfortable. Is Razor is supposed
to be the heel here? Because why like, yeah, I
guess rub it up on him is you know, not good?
Like you don't want to do that. But I always
kind of like dove into the psychological aspect pretty early,
so I never thought, like you know, you heard Jerry

(50:50):
Lawler like when Gold started turning babyface h he asked
him if he was queer and that was on Raw.
You know, I don't think they even edited that out,
and you know that's kind of I guess what they
wanted people to gravitate towards in that in that story.
But for me, I guess I was just so used

(51:12):
to pro wrestling. I was like, Oh, he's just doing
that to get in the head. Like he won the
Icy title that way, so you know, like he's just
doing it to mess with you know, his opponents.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Kudos to Dustin Rhodes for it.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Really it was well looking back, I was like, holy hell,
what what job? Like what a job he did?

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Right? It really bought into that character because Dustin Roads
is a good old boy from Texas. You know, probably
in real life the exact opposite of this character. But
he bought in. And I mean he's Dustin Roads today,
but he'll forever, he will forever be gold Dust. Yes,
that made his career. He has a career today because
of gold dust, because he's still natural.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Dustin Roads dresses like him, Like he looked at him,
You're like gold dust because he has the face they
even though it's half you know, the body suit, like that's.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
His look, right. He never fully shed it the gold
Dust aesthetic also very dope.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Even went to w c W, you know, in two
thousand and I don't even remember that.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Oh no, let's not talk about two thousand Dustin Rhodes.
What was he seven or something like that.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Or yeah, and then he just became like Dustin Rhodes,
but it was like he was when he was a
w c W before gold Dust. It's just it was weird,
you know.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
And then he went to TNA it came was he
Black Rain.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I don't even remember that one.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Oh I remember He's come to the ring with like
a rat in a cage something like that. It was
bizarre stuff. Look it up.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
It wasn't a good good days for Dustin Rhodes. He
he it was. It was not a great time in
his life, I don't think. But he's he's better now.
So shout out to Dustin Rhodes because, like I said,
he did a great job with his character. Mark Merrill
had that promo before the match, and he referred to

(53:01):
himself as the Intercontinental Champion of the World, which is like,
when you think about it, what the hell does intercontinental
mean besides multiple continents around the world.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Right, this is why they got to script these guys.
This is why we hate the promos of today because
promos like that from Mark Merrill, damn it.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Intercontinental Champion of the World.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well, I mean my favorite line is when he said
I'm the champion, You're the chump to Jerry Lawler.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I just look at the definition to intercontinental. It says
relating to or relating to or traveling between continents.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
So clearly never didn't make up the intercontinental name.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Okay, No, No, that's a that's a thing, that's a definitely,
that's a word. Just like.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I'm just people like, oh, he really thinks and everything.
It's like, no, I've.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Always fund it. Funny too, did they never? Even though
the belt itself has always said heavyweight on it, it's
always a heavyweight champion till this day. Even the new
version of the Antercontinental Championship says heavyweight champion on it,
Intercontinental heavyweight champion. But it's not a world title. No, technically,

(54:31):
but it's intercontinental. But not all the countries. I don't know.
I don't get.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
You are not allowed to defend it on the water,
no oceans.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Okay, okay, okay, but the ocean with the war titles
you could defend on the ocean, on the water, like
like Jericho's cruise. That title is absolutely got you. Got
you okay, Antarctica sure, the world title, yeah, I got
you okay. That's that's silly.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I know, it's the worst. Sill trying to make sense
of stuff like that's the worst.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Even though look, intercontinental title, it's the old school. It
title is still one of my favorite belts of all time,
and the Intercontinental Championship has had some classic matches over
the years, some great champions. But I don't know, maybe
it's just me. I just think too much about overanalyzings.
What the hell does intercontinental mean? It's not a world title.
I don't know, Maybe I'm misconstruting this. The next thing

(55:32):
I wrote down here is when go ahead.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I was gonna say. Another thing that made that didn't
make sense to be was mister Perfect coming out for
this match, and he literally said, you think I'm gonna
sit here after what Alsin did to me without doing
something about it. I don't think, what the hell is
he doing.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I'm gonna watch this match, That's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Like, yeah, yeah, I get that. He was Mark Burrow's
like mentor, but he never even like really mentioned him.
He was like, well, put your mad at all, So
what the hell you're doing out here? Like what are
you doing.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
When you said that, that's the first time I heard
of that. I didn't know that before.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It's like ridiculous. Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Another thing that was ridiculous was that I always forget
that Sables like theme music was Mark Merrill's first, and
it didn't fit him at all. It was much better
with Sable.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Don't the wildcat man the wildcat.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
But it just it just fits Sable more. I agree,
like cougar down, Like, I don't know why. I just
didn't fit Mark Merrill to me, even though he's the
wild Man. I get it. He's crazy and they made
him like an animal, which is weird, like mentally crazy,
which I guess is like good, you know, you don't

(56:49):
want to knock mental health make him an animal, But
he just did high flying moves, which is another thing
I gotta mention. Mark Merrill was like super athletic wrestler
for mid nineties like to for mid nineties standards. Mark
Merrill was the high flyer of wrestling in America, at

(57:11):
least not you know, not Japan, not in Mexico obviously,
but in the United States when he was trying to
be bad and when he came to WWF, he's the
wild Man. The reason why they called him the wild
man because he would do a shooting star press and
he would do dives over the top or a dive
on one per match over the top broke and it's like,
might have times have changed? Like yeah, because he got pushes,

(57:34):
so he got a pushing ws W it's trying to
be bad. He got a big push in WWF from
the start. He got the big pyro, you know, on
his entrance, like people saw something in Mark Merrow. It
didn't necessarily he didn't go to the top, but there
was something that they saw in him. He had a
great physique and for his time, he was very athletic.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, I was. Actually he's one of the parts of
nineteen ninety six. I really enjoyed in the WWF. I
always looked at him as Johnny B. Bad and then
when he it took me a while to get accustomed to, Okay,
the wow Man, Mark Merrow, the wild Man Mark Merrow.
But a lot of the stuff he did in the
ring was similar to what he did in WCW. And
it's funny. The first show I ever saw him and

(58:19):
was like a Clash of the Champions, and he was
wearing a mask, so I was like so confused, Like
seeing him without a mask, I was like, wait, that's
his look though, But it was just part of the
angle that he was in at the time. And I
enjoyed his WWF run more than I did in his
WCW run, And you know, I didn't really I mean,
the dismatch was like incredible or anything like that, but

(58:41):
like the high flying type stuff, you know, I enjoyed
that like back then, like I think it's so overdone now,
and I like anyone who tries to disagree with me
is wrong because like literally every match has you know,
flips over the top rope and whatnot. But when he
did it, like it was me. It was like, oh,
like a heavyweight doing that type of stuff. It's not

(59:03):
like cruiserweights in w CW. It was like Mark Merrill
was one of the first people I saw do stuff
like that, So I guess that just left an impression
on me. I really enjoyed this run he had before
he came back as marvelous Mark Barril.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Oh yeah, marvelous Mark Merrill, the boxing robe and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, because you.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Know marvelous Mark Merrill, Marvin probably Marvin Hagler, you know,
the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
This match probably started his you know, shifts to that
character because he got hurt.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
He did doing the dive, which is funny because day
were talking about like how he takes a lot of
risks and it's you know, it could be it could
work against him. And then lo and behold, like the
next move, boom, he heard his knee, Like, oh yeah,
I don't think they were intending for that to happen,
but look it looked didn't look good either. I'm surprised

(59:59):
he didn't finished. Imagine like a noticeable limp. Yeah, he
like didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Look good and like he was limping right away. But
then it's like, wait, is he just is he hurt
because it didn't look like he you know a few
minutes later, like he was moving fine. But you know
what they say, like even when Carson wentz towards a
cl he was still walking out there like, heybe it's
just the adrenaline he was He.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Was limping though even before that touched that through the
aushan oh the game. Yeah, he was definitely limping and
he didn't move around in their pocket when.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
He just stood there. That's what I do. Something's wrong,
by the way, yeah, like, oh he's not yep, something's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah. One thing I noticed that was weird in this
match was that gold Dust grabbed a microphone in the
middle of the match and then said he's gonna stick
his tongue down everybody's throats. Sir, sir, do you just
threatened the French kiss everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
He did. He did that multiple times. By the way,
this was not his first time doing that. I think
that was his that was his stick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That is sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Absolutely, he did it at uh. I think I saw
him do it a King of the Ring against the
Ultimate Warrior, Like he was legit hurt, so that match
never happened. But like he grabbed the microphone and he
didn't say he was gonna stick a stung down everyone's through,
but he was like, if you don't shut up, I'm
gonna come out there and personally kiss each and every one.
Are you so shut up?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Like it's funny how that like gets heat? Yeah, I'm
gonna kiss you like, ah, this versus evil, which I
guess if you're kissing you against your will, then yeah,
that is evil.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I didn't ask you to kiss me. I didn't give
you permission, right, you know, so, yeah, that's sexual assault.
That's terrible. I found that. I found that kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
In ninety six, w it was just so like different.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Nineteen ninety six as a as a planet was different,
like the whole world where somebody could just say that
and it's to be like boo, you suck. Nowadays, they'd
be how many articles and tweets written about how this
person threatened the fans with sexual assault, Like yeah, which
I guess it's good, like we should be more hyper
sensitive to stuff like that. But back in ninety six,
it's just like, ah, what a what a jerk?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And stuff like that shouldn't just be something that a
wrestling heel does for heat, like you know there's wrestling heat,
you know, there's like real life heat.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, sexual assault was never something we should do for
for wrestling heat. Let's not do that. At some point,
mister perfect who he was on he was on commentary.
He was talking trash about Steve Austin. Austin you might
be some kind of whoop ass, but it's like what

(01:02:51):
I think you? I think you misspoke there, mister perfectly
say that was an imperfect sentence. Oh oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, he cracked me up. He's a gold dust, has
great athletic ability, just like Razor Remonent Diesel. They're great athletes.
That's why Jr. Brought them. Wait, like, are you supposed
to be a heel or face? Like what do we
thought about?

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
You know, tell him, somebody to tell him?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
And I know, like, I mean, right here, he's a
he's a face because he's in Mark Merrow's corner or side.
But you know, he he always had the snack of
making me feel like he was a heel, you know,
because I felt like I even in nineties. He did
commentary at the Survivors series ninety five, almost a year
prior to this, and it was like he was a

(01:03:47):
heel all night. And then when Brett Hart beat Diesel,
like he was just like I don't believe it, Like
it was almost like a babyface. So mister Perfect was
like the most confusing wrestling character in the WWF Post
Post nineteen ninety three, really because when he came back
in ninety four at WrestleMania as that special ref. It
was like every time he came back. He came back

(01:04:09):
maybe like two or three times. It was like a
tweener type thing. I just could never get. I can
never understand his character.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
And I don't know if you could ever turn miss
a perfect fully babyface though, like he's called mister perfect.
His whole character is that I'm better than you. I mean,
so that even though people liked him, because he did
play the role very well and he's a great performer,
and he was he was entertaining, but and he you know,

(01:04:36):
he was represented kind of the older guard at even
at ninety six, he was not like a young gun.
You know, he was around since nineteen ninety yeah, and
being around for six years' is like, oh he's you know,
he's been around for a while. But he can never
be fully a babyface with mister perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Well, they tried with the Lex Luger thing and I
was like, yeah, like like Lucas is a narcissist, so
mister perfect talking crap about him is funny. But other
than that, you know, they have a WrestleMania match they did, yeah,
and he lost.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Did that's many nine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
But that's what that babyface turned when he team or
Randy Savage and ninety two, that was great. Like that
was I think the peak of mister Perfect is a babyface.
You can't really get better than that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Mister Perfect, though, was a great heel. He's a fantastic heel,
and he was Kurt Hendache and ws WS. I guess
you could have had more leeway, but he was always
just mister Perfect. He's always just that character. Even in
w W, he essentially mister Perfect just not a name,
and that's why people he was just still a great heel.
Intend on the Four Horsemen, he was one of the best.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Were you, mister Perfect? I mean Kurt Headache, mister Headache, mister.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Mister Perfect by the way, I missed him. He was great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
He would be like a promo nowadays or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
He'd be great as like a train maybe as like
a trainer or coach something like that. Be dope. Yeah,
so yeah, he's he's That was a huge loss for wrestling,
mister Perfect. It's a shame. But on this night though,
it was just him helping Mark Merrill. For some reason,
he comes out helps Mark Merrill, Triple h comes out,

(01:06:28):
he confronts mister perfect Gold has tried to attack perfect
perfect counter and then out of nowhere, Merrill's hitting a
shooting star press for the win. And at the end
of this match, another weird finish, but at least we
got to see a shooting star from Mark Merrill.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
So what did he call that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Oh? The wild Thing, the wild thing, wold thing. Which
could they even say that on TV? Like that wasn't
that copyrighted or something?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Well they did, They absolutely did, because I heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
That's a song I know, and it was major League
wild Thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
We keep going like, yep, that's where I first heard
that phrase. By the way, Actually, you know Mitch Williams
in ninety three they called him the wild Thing the
Phillies Phillies closer, So that's the first time I heard that.
So it's funny you mentioned major league. It was like
the second time, and then you have Mark Merrow say
the wild thing. So I always associate wild Thing with Phillies,

(01:07:25):
Mitch Williams, Philadelphia and it just makes me laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Damn, he was wild thing until Game six.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Huh, Damn. I don't you know what's funny. I didn't
watch the games. I don't know what was wrong with it.
I don't know if it's because I was nervous or what,
but I I didn't watch them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Don't like watching Phillies games, apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Like ninety three, like I started watching him, but like
then the playoffs started and I was like, no, I
don't want to watch it, like I'm scared or something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
You're scared. You didn't watching eight when Matt Stairs ripped
one into the night. We talked about that last week
or two weeks ago whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yea, and here you are again.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Now you didn't watch the ninety three Phillies, which is
still to this day, which is odd. It's very odd.
Probably still the most beloved Phillies team in Philadelphia, even
though the O Wait team won the World Series. I
think the ninety three team is still like rival them
as far as beloved. Maybe all right, maybe it's changing
now because people there's a younger generation of fans who

(01:08:26):
the Wait team is their team from childhood. Where if
you ask people ten years ago and I'm talking twenty ten,
we're not talking. I'm talking posts two thousand and eight,
there's still people around. But like ninety three, Phillies were great,
like but the team's wonder World Series a couple of
years ago. Like, yeah, there's am I am I a
tripping on that though.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I think you have a good point for me. I
guess I'd talk to many people that prefer that five
year window winning a World Series. I would hope so,
like yeah, like, but I think that it was almost
like the why Eagles fans love Buddy Ryan even though
he I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Was just gonna mention that it's kind of the same
type of time period, era type of vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
I think, you know, the ninety three Phillies should not
be canonized anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Like, I mean, they are going to I'm not saying
they shouldn't be remembered.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
They should be.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
They won the National League and they went to Game
six of the World Series. Yeah, but people look at
them very like when I was at I'm pretty sure
I was at Philly dot Com. You know, I'm pretty
sure I read a lot of ninety three Philly stories.
But I was there like that was still a team
that was still being like talked about, remembered and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Shout out to the ninety three Phillies in no way Phillies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm trying to kind of
think of the way I started, because ninety three was
the first year I started watching them. But with the playoffs,
like school started, you know, September October, I couldn't. I
wasn't allowed to stay up late. They you know, air

(01:10:19):
at the games just like they do now, like eight
o'clock start times. It's like ridiculous. So I guess it's
different for me because I didn't I didn't get to
watch it, like I would listen to it on the
radio as I'm falling asleep, But like that was really
the extent of it. And then when they lost in
the World Series, I you know, someone came in my
room or something like that, and then I went in

(01:10:40):
my mom's room to watch it on TV. Watched like
the Blue Jays celebrate. I was just kind of confused.
I'm like, hey, so there's no game after this, like
this is buddy. Yeah, I kind of had to get
it explained to me that the Phillies wentn't play until
like April, you know, so it was, Yeah, it was
just a weird time. But the ninety three Phillies are

(01:11:01):
kind of like like I think if you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Ask a middle aged man who was like in his
twenties and thirties in ninety three, they were like, man,
I love that team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Like didn't get it done, but I loved that team,
and there was so much fun. Man, It's like, yeah,
a lot of character and a lot of characters. So
a lot of characters. Yes, that has a lot to
do with it. Easy to love for baseball purposes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
And they weren't kind of like the major league team,
like yeah, yeah, nobody thought they was gonna win anything.
And then all of a sudden they got to the
World Series.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Exactly, and that's probably part of it. I even had
like a program or something that was like from worse
to first, and like I didn't realize they were the
worst team, you know, the year prior, Like I had
just started watching them in ninety three. I thought that
was the normal, you know what I mean. And I
thought that Phillies uniform was normal. Like imagine my surprise
when I saw the Powder Blues. I'm like, Who's what
team is that? Like? So yeah, like that was my

(01:11:57):
first impression. But I'm so glad I had two thousand,
even two thousand and five, two thousand and six, like
they were a competitive through twenty eleven twenty twelve. So
that's my Phillies, that my era of Phillies love and
I'm glad I got to, you know, live through that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Yeah, it was a fun time when the Phillies were
dope and the Summers was dope. Man, I said, this
is a bank park. It was. It was a lot
of fun, I'll admit. But back to Buried Alive in
nineteen ninety six, before the Phillies were really dope. We're
here now with Jim Ross, who's backstage with again. Fake

(01:12:36):
Raiser Ramone, Fake Diesel who.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Fake these was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Being played by Glenn Jacobs, who of course eventually became Kane.
What a time again. WWF had these people on their
roster in ninety six and just didn't know what to
do with them. But fake Raiser Ramon was played by
Rick Titan, who wasn't a guy who was out here
like wrestling a lot back in the nineties and never

(01:13:04):
but never really got like a big shot. I mean Rick.
His name was Vic Bognar is the little name. Honestly,
he's Canadian wrestler. He died last year, unfortunately, in twenty
nineteen September twentieth, but he was like in Canada. He
was working a lot in Canada and he got to

(01:13:24):
the WWF and he just didn't really do much with
him besides make him fake raise the Ramone, which was weird.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
But I don't even know where he came from locas
he was in the USWA, but I don't even think
he went to WCW. I mean, I could be wrong,
but this is the only time I really saw him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Yeah, rest in peace of Vic tight mc bognar as
to say, but he was a guy like you figured
that his size and his stature, he would have been
like a guy that would have gotten a real shot
as a character besides Raised of Ramone. Yeah, but it
just didn't happen. I don't know why. So now we
go on to the semi main events, Sid Vicious or

(01:14:04):
Psycho Sid I should say, versus Vader and what was
being billed as power Bomb versus power Bomb. My question
was why I didn't know Vader was like a big
power bomb. Guy thought he had a Vader Bomb. Yeah, uh,

(01:14:26):
but not a power bomb. Sid had a power bomb.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Maybe it was about this time they just decided to
build it this match and Vader started doing power bombs.
I don't know, and just so they could call it
the paddle the power bombs.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Yeah, it didn't make any sense. It wasn't necessary. I
didn't buy it. You could have just called a Vader
bomb versus power bomb, could have no power bomb versus
power bomb. The winner of this match would get a
title shot against Sean Michaels for the w W Championship.
Obviously at Survivor Series, which I mean, obviously we know

(01:15:01):
what happened there, but on this night we didn't know.
So we're going into it with fresh eyes, and we
got Sid coming into this match with the crowd firmly
behind him, which in hindsight, I don't really blame people
for cheering for Sid because Sid, and at least in WWF,
I don't know about WCWCID. I know about him, but

(01:15:24):
I don't really know like like SID and like WGW
acting he left WWF this time not good and WSW
the first time. But this Sid, in this time period
in WWF, where's awesome, Not like SID in ninety five,

(01:15:45):
ninety six, ninety seven WWF. He was jacked to the gills.
He was tall, he's huge, he had his crazy promo style,
and he actually left reacting to the cheers, and he
bought into it, and it's like, yo, Sid is dope,
Like I know, I know, Sid. I just had to
share controversies over the years, and people like to make
fun of CID for his promos or we're live pal.

(01:16:07):
Oh sorry, but I'm not. I don't blame people at
all for cheering Sid back in the mid nineties, Like
he should have been a huge, huge, huge star in wrestling.
He just wasn't for a variety of reasons, most of
it probably his own fault, but so much potential. And

(01:16:27):
I think the fans recognize us, like, yeah, we want
to get behind him. We want to get behind psycho Sid.
It's called a psycho. I don't know why that made
him a babyface.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
But I remember being kind of angry about it because
I was like, why aren't these guys hearing Shawn Michaels
like that, Like what the hell he's a champion. I
didn't see uh. I didn't like, you know, Sid just
doing like a choke slam or whatever, a power bomb,
like he wasn't, you know, doing drop kicks stuff like that.
And I was like, Sean Michael's doing that, like he's

(01:16:58):
doing all these different mood It was like, it's awesome.
Why why are people like not cheering for him as
much as we're cheering for Sid?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Like Sid was awesome, I got awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
When I got bad, I was like, what the hell
screw said? Damn?

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
It reminded me of like an eighties B movie action star,
which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
I don't know why that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
You just look at said, and he's this huge guy
with no shirt on, in a vest with jeans. He's
just beating people up in the bar, like roadhouse something
like that, which had Terry Funk in it, by the way,
But he was awesome. Come on, man, Sid ruled back
in ninety six.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
I like him. I like watching him back now. But
when I'm in ninety six, I'm like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Just I didn't get it? You know, I just didn't
I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
I got it. Sid rules. That's all it needs to
be said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
The Master and the ruler of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
YEA very true.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Maybe that's why I was just like, what the hell
he ain't gonna rule me?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Dammit, this is democracy. I live in America. We don't
believe in rulers. That's my social studies studies teacher taught
me exactly taught me. The country was discovered in fourteen
ninety two by Christopher Columbus. I believe my social studies teaching.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
When she told me that that damn curriculum.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Happy Indigenous People's Day. By the way, Yes, another person
in this match that was pretty awesome was Vader. There's
two awesome people in this match. Also awesome was Vader's
theme music. You talk about dope, vadas theme music was

(01:19:03):
dope as hell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
He was one of the full metal of the album.
By the way, is the hell of an album maybe
wf's best album. A lot of awesome interest themes. Invader
is definitely one of them. And I definitely roped out
to that bro It's dope.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
That beat boom boom bum boom bum boom bom bom
bom bom. It was dope. And he had the little
It's time at the beginning like it was. It was crazy.
Jim Johnson. Again, we probably praise him every week, but
what a musical genius this guy was. He should be
in a w W Hall of Fame for sure one
day tomorrow, like do it like he is great, Like

(01:19:43):
that music was so good? Uh, but also what wasn't
good was ww's booking Invader. Did they ever I mean,
did they ever drop the ball with Big Van Vader?
My god, I understand he had a couple of injury
issues and didn't he ran into the road block known

(01:20:03):
as Sean Michaels. But man, they just talking about opportunity squandered.
Look no further than than Vader.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
He took out Gorilla mont Soon his second night in
the company. Like how you go from that? You know,
dominating in the Royal Rumble even though he was eliminated
and then taken out Gorilla monts soon, Like, how do
you not get a title run after that? I Michaels, Well, yeah,
I mean he could have beat him a summer Sam

(01:20:34):
could have beat him in Survivor series and then did
the same thing Sid did. But you know, whatever reason,
Shawn Michaels didn't want that. But imagine the heat, man,
Like I I just think like people like Sid, and
I think that was the problem, because how can you
make Shawn Michaels more likable by losing the Sid and
then beating him? Uh? Because this is San Antonio of

(01:20:55):
the Alamodome. That's why. But you know, Vader would have
been such a better, such a better like rival I
think during this time for Shawn Michaels, and I guess
he just didn't They didn't see eyd I or something.
But Vader was a hell of a character at this time.
I even kind of liked him with mankind to tell

(01:21:17):
the truth. After that it just went downhill.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
But yeah, I feel like you mentioned Shawn Michaels and
Vader could have been a great rivalry. The styles class
that those two had. You could have Vader beat him
and then he drops it back to Vader. You know,
Vader drops it back to Shawn Michaels at some point.
Maybe that could have happened, like you said, at Survivor
series or Door Rumble or whatever. But it just didn't happen,

(01:21:43):
like you said. It's terrible, But I am glad though
at least that I mean he.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
He was at the w W Hall of Fame in
twenty sixteen to Duckstan Hansen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
But is he in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Is he w W Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Let's see, I don't think he is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
He passed away? What less you're.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
He passed away twenty eighteen. I don't think he's in yet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I don't think so either. No, because he wasn't well,
he wasn't on the post streets of twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Here's the thing. He should have went in period. He
should have went in while he was alive. There shouldn't
have been a wait. There shouldn't have been what was
come on? What was the hold up for? And then
he's passed away to give people We've said this before
about WW to pass give people the flowers while they're
allowed to smell them, and WW, for whatever reason, just

(01:22:54):
doesn't like doing that. And another opportunity missed for you know,
the man they call Vader one of the greatest big
men of all time and the entire history of professmal
of wrestling. But and again they dropped the ball with

(01:23:16):
him back in the nineties. They dropped the ball again,
you know, in twenty tens, when they could have adducted
him to the Hall of Fame. And at any point, yeah,
it could have been twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,
or been Yo, Vader's in the Hall of Fame. Great,
he deserves it. Instead still hasn't happened, even posthumously. Still
hasn't happened. So rest in peace of Leon White, better

(01:23:36):
known to the world as Vader. You deserved better at
least some WW and that standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
A Unt your percent agree. And by the way, he
was a star on boy Bean's World too.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Man, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
I loved him. Come on, there's like two episodes, three
episodes something like that, and he was Frankie's father and
they filmed you know, some episode at you know, their
house show, like it's just awesome. I always had a
soft spot for Vader, even though he was a heel.
Uh not just because of the ploymous for whole thing,
but I had actually watched him in w CW. You know,

(01:24:14):
I said he was w w CW show was like
a Clash of the Champions in ninety three when he
faced the British Bulldog in the main event, and you know,
like that's one of the very few people whenever I've
returned on w CW and he was on, like I
want to change the channel. So you know, Vader is
the guy he.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Was, He was a great man. He was. He was
the man in WSW, he was the man in Japan
that rynd and he should have been the man in WWF.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
And you know, even if it's not for a few months,
like it's not gonna hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
You know, it shouldn't have happened. It didn't had to
be a year long type of thing with him and
Seawan Michaels. It could have been a couple of months,
like you said, it could have been from SummerSlam to
Survivor Series and from SummerSlam to the War Rumble, but
it just didn't happen. But the beneficiary of that was
Sid because he got to beat Vader on this night

(01:25:12):
with a choke slam. So we got all this stuff
about power bombs and then Sid wins with a choke slam.
Whoopee do. But but during the match, I remember it's
Man on commentary saying, oh because Sean Michaels came out
before the match. He came out sitting on commentary to
watch the match, and he shook Sid Sid's hand and

(01:25:33):
he cussed out Vader before he sat down at the
commentary table, cussed him out. But basically, Man was like,
it comes the most charismatic champion of all time, and
it's like, what are you talking about? Like it was
charis their life? They WW to this day love giving
out these goofy like monikers and nicknames. They called Johnson

(01:25:55):
them the controversial. John Cena was like, no, he's just polarizing.
It's not controversy shoo at all. And you know, here
we are again with Shawn Michaels charismatic like Hawk Hogan
didn't have charisma, Like he was pretty charismatic. I think, uh,
I think Ultimate War is pretty charismatic. I think Randy

(01:26:18):
Savage was pretty charismatic. I mean, I don't think Shawn
Michael's top those guys necessarily in charisma. Uh he tapped
them a ring and ring ability possibly, I mean maybe
Randy Savage, as you know, but he topped Hawk Hogan
and Ultimate warr and ring ability. But I don't know
if he topped uh those guys with charisma. But you know,

(01:26:40):
they had to give something to Sean Michaels. I guess
to make the pumps tires a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, like flamboyant and stuff like that. It's like, okay,
like they always they had all these adjectives and I
was just like, I don't care, just like have him win.
It's clearly your next guy. I don't know what the
hell they did after that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Who cares? At one point, Vader had said beat Sid, beaten,
but he lifted him off the mat, which cast Jim Cornett,
who was Vader's manager, to lose his ever loving mind.
And it was great because you know, Jim Cornett is

(01:27:23):
has his impersonation made famous by Bruce Pritrick. God damn,
why didn't you beat him?

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Beat him?

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Why don't you beat him? Come on, God damn beat him. Sid.
Invader didn't beat him though, He just he didn't. And
he tried to hit him with the Vader bomb and missed,
and Sid got the choke slamm in and won. He
moved on to Survivor Series, where he eventually did beat
Shaw Michaels for the w W Championship. On another night,
was Sid was wildly over? You thought he was over

(01:27:50):
in Indianapolis. You didn't see him in Madison Square Garden
Survivor series because it was way more.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I'm still uh And I saw the Survivors series live.
I like, what is it about him?

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
He rules? That's it. He is awesome. That's it. There's
no in depth explanation needed, there's no think piece, there's
no long form. It's just like he's awesome, and that's it.
It's very simple. After the mass, Shawn Michael's got in
the ring, shook his hands and or his hand not
his hands plural one hand. But that was a reason

(01:28:27):
enough for WWF to say, shut off the fireworks. Boo
boom boom boom boom. Fireworks shot off off of a handshake.
It's like, what, which is happened? What what's going on?
I didn't understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
WWF was just looking for reasons to spend money. Apparently
we need fireworks. Where can we put them in this show?
Where are where is there a fireworks moments? How about
when Sid and Shawn Michael shake hands, that's it. As
soon as they do the one shake, shoot them off,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
And that's what happened to talk about money, Like did
you notice that gold dust literal over sins back? They
did all this stuff with gold dust, and around this
timeframe it happened to like everybody. I'm sure people were like,
please let my match go on before golds please, Like
everybody was covered in that stuff. It's just you know,

(01:29:27):
unless goldust goes on first, and like come come make
gold dusts the main eventor dammit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Give him the title. Yeah, give him all the belts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
So he's just handed in every match, like he's in
every single match.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Defending all the titles, like Kurt Angle on TNA.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
I still, by the way, I was watching TNA at
that point, but I don't remember that. Uh oh my god.
But you know, I can't even forget that time because
I try very hard to forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
I think he had the women's title too, like he
had all the titles. He beat Gil Kim for the
women's title. He made a tap out or the angle lock.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
DNA crossed the line, man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Across the line, bro remember that that was their big slogan,
and like always having crossed the line.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
It's like, yeah, like we don't need to cross the
line just I just remember.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
That picture with him and Karen Angle or formerly Karen
Angle now Karen Jarrett, when he had all the belts
and they're taking pictures with all the belts. She's got
belts in her hands. It's like he can't hold them all.
She's got to hold a couple. How ridiculous is that
he beats Samoa Joe for all the belts. It's stupid,

(01:30:49):
DNA man across the line. We gotta we gotta do
a deep dive on the TNA show at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Oh man, I would love to. I actually, uh I do.
I would implore you to subscribe to Impact Plus and
maybe pick something from there because they don't have like
a big selection of you know, Impact from certain years,
because I would love to do a deep dive on

(01:31:17):
that first Impact. I want to get the head to head.
We're all when uh Hogan and Visuals showed up, but
they don't have that on there unless they added it
and leave it off that show, dude, I love it,
Oh my god, with the Terror.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
I remember that show like it was yesterday because it
was like a big deal January fourth, too, which is
like the night of the rest of the Tokyo Dome shows,
Like what the hell? What a crazy day in wrestling?
That WASP Tokyo Dome show and Impact and Raw and
an Impact had Hallkogan, Like you said, Rick Flair showed up,
and then on Raw Brett Hart came back to w

(01:31:52):
WF What what a crazy day?

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
I really, I was so pumped for that. And then
you had like Jeff Hardy, you know, appearing on TNA.
There were so many rumors that it was such a
you know, crazy time. I remember, uh, you know, a
month prior to that, I think Brett Hart it was
announced like Brett Hart Hat's sign of contracts, and so
I was like so excited for this night, and I

(01:32:22):
mean it wasn't terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
I guess we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well maybe we watch both shows because I
know that Raw is definitely on the network, so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
It should to me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
I'm sure it is thankfully, hopefully a two hour all.
Hopefully they didn't make that one a three hour one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
That might be a three hours sho bro. That might
have been one of the three hour specials they had
thre three hours every week. Oh man, back is buried
alive though we're talking. They now are promoting Survivor Series,
which is the next big pay per view the next month,
I should say, at Madison Square Garden in New York.

(01:33:07):
But one thing they promoted was like a whole weekend
of events, including the Hall of Fame ceremony, which was like, huh,
I didn't know they had the Hall of Fame ceremony
at Survivor Series weekend, which called me to do some digging.
And of course the first Hall of Fame was ninety
three when they inducted under the Giant. He went in
by himself. There wasn't a class, it was just under

(01:33:28):
the Giant. And in ninety four ninety five there was
a ceremony, but it was during King of the Ring
weekend in June. It's like, okay, they were kind of
they were kind of dancing around where they should have
been the whole time. But they got there eventually. And
then in ninety six they moved it to November at

(01:33:49):
Survivor Series. I guess it's New York, bigger city. You
can get more people in there, you know whatever. In
the class that year where Michel, I'm hope I'm saying
this right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Schot Cluna, That's what I would have pronounced it, Okay,
Ski Cluna.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Ska Cluna. I apologize by maybe I apologize if I
butchered dat. But Lou Albino, Jimmy Snooker, Johnny Rods, Killer Kowalski,
who trained a bunch of wrestlers back in the day,
who's a great wrestler himself, but he also trained a
bunch of wrestlers including Hunter Hurst, Helmsley, Pat Patterson who

(01:34:32):
we all know uh, and the Valiant brothers, Jimmy and Johnny,
you know the Valiants, and Vincent J. McMahon of course
is Vince McMahon's father, who bought a territory from of
course in nineteen eighty four. So yeah, that was the
ninety sixth class of the w W Hall of Fame.

(01:34:53):
Here's the thing about the w W Hall of Fame.
They was like, we're not doing it again the next year.
It was not seen again until two thousand and four
when they was like, you know what, we did it
that King of the Ring. I did that Survivor Series,
but we got this bigger event called WrestleMania. We should

(01:35:14):
probably combine it with that because nobody cared about it
when it was as King of the Ring. Nobody cared
about it as Survivor Series. We can get people to
care about it if we did it at WrestleMania though, right,
and somebody was like, you know what, probably basically man,
it was like, you know what, that's a good idea.
Goddamn God damn powders a good idea, and it's been
there ever since. So but it took them eight years

(01:35:36):
to figure that out. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
And it was back in Madison Square, it was back
in New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
That's true. It's like and they did it obviously that
year because that was WrestleMania twenty So I guess that
was a good year for them to bring it back.
But I guess it's like, you know what, this is
kind of a good thing. We can kind of honor
some guys, bring some guys back, get some guys in
the fold. People like nostalgia. Let's keep doing this every year.
Then they got Hogan back in two thousand and five,

(01:36:03):
Hogan Piper. You know, there's been in a lot of
big names, you know, Dusty winning like six you know.
So it's worked out and now it's like it's like
a staple of Wrestlmingia weekend now to where people buy
tickets to see.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Yeah, the Hall of Fame. And I'm one of the
probably few that sit at home and watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Yeah boy, I am not one of those people.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
I enjoy it. I just enjoy hearing like stories and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
So I used to look. I used to be like, yo,
I'm gonna watch this and check it out. And I
enjoy it too, And then it's turned into like a
five hour marathon. I was like, Nope, not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
And that's the roughest part.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Definitely when it was like two or three hours, Like
I could tolerate that, but then it's so long and boring,
and I hate to rag on the people who are
going in to the Hall of Fame. It means a
lot to those people, and it should. It's an honor
for them. They worked hard and he deserved that accomplishment.
I'm not knocking him in anyway. I'm not trying to

(01:37:04):
respect him in any way. But from a from a
television viewer standpoint, it's not a fun watch.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
There's a reason why people liked the Pro Football Hall
of Fame. Oh, the Cooperstown, you know for baseball. It
doesn't last that long.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
No, And I've been to Look it's funny. It's funny
you say that. I've been to the w W Hall
of Fame ceremony twice.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
It's such a slot.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
It's so long, it's so long, and it's not really
and because it's not really like a real deal Hall
of Fame, like's no voting process. It's just like we
kind of set it up like a car. There's a
main event. He's a tag team. He's a woman, like
you know, but you know it's okay, like I went
like I went in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Twenty fourteen

(01:37:49):
was memorable because that was when Jake Roberts win in.
That's when Scott hallwin and that was a big deal
because both of them had been through a lot obviously
to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Wasn't that a Razor Ramone?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
You're right, Rais Ramone my bad not sky.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
So weird dude. That just still urts me, like whatever, well, look.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
No, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
N he did.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
He probably made it a point to be Kevin Ash,
I'm not going in this Diesel, but Raised Ramone is
dope though this these music was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Yeah, you know whatever. By the way, that music is
also unfull metal.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
The album Dope, Jim Johnson strikes again.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
That was also Ultimate Warrior too, and that was a
big deal because they got back into good graces with
Ultimate Warrior and Men the Defense, and that was the
thing that people didn't see coming for a long time.
And in the next year is when Macha Man went in.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
With Diesel.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Kevin Nash. I think Keishi went in that win in
that year too. I think but so yeah, it was.
It was okay, it just long and not that exciting.
I'm sorry. I hate to tell you. Like the twenty
fourteenth when mister T went and he got cut off
by Cane, it was just like I guess because he's
talking about the mom the whole time. It was weird,

(01:39:06):
But the Pro Football Hall of Fame different circumstances. I
wasn't there to cover the entire event. I was strictly
to cover of Brian Dawkins. So on Brian Dawkins came
up and spoke, or I think he was like the
fourth or fifth guy, because I think after him went
Moss and then ray Lewis closed it out, so Dawkins
was third from last. Once Brian Dawkins talked, me and

(01:39:27):
my guys from the years, packed up our stuff, got
backstage and shot out stuff for Brian Dawkins and got
out of there. It was like when they stick around
the whole night. He was like, we're out of here.
We got what we came to see and we're gone.
But it was you know, it's still kind of fun,
and like you said, you hear people's stories and and
and it's an honor like used to pro Football Hall
of Fame, they're voted in. Some of these guys have

(01:39:47):
been waiting for a long time, Like I think that
when I went to with Jerry Kramer went in and
he's a center for the Packers. This guy last played
like in the seventies and he's finally getting in twenty eighteen.
So that was pretty dope, know, and to see some
of these guys who I've only seen an NFL films,
you know, and Brian or Lacker who you know, he's

(01:40:07):
I play with him and Madden him and Moss and
ray Lewis, and that was dope from a football fan standpoint.
W W Hall of Fame just doesn't bring those same
feelings up for me. I'm sorry, Like so I'm not watching.
I don't watch the for Football Hall of Fame on TV,
so I don't know. WW just cut it down like

(01:40:28):
by like an hour or two, be all right. It's
just so long, man, and the fans make it. The
fans annoying. Make it annoying too because they do all
the chance and people can't get their speeches out.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
That's I think maybe the biggest scrape I have personally.
It's like, just it's not about you. Like you think
you're paying homage to somebody, but like you're really making
it about yourself, Like like cheering is fine, but don't
do like the chance and stuff like. It just takes
a lot more.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
One more.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
You still got it?

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
You did. Shut up, bro, We know he deserves it.
None of them talk. We got it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Imagine when John Cena goes in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Oh my god, John Cena the rock, let's go Seina
Scena sucks. He's gonna encourage it too.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
He will, he will, Maybe he was. Maybe they like it.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
But what was it last year when when Brett Hart
was going in with the Hart Foundation and he got
a tat, Yeah, what the hell to hear?

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Like Natalia the scream and then the spring go black
and like, wait, what the hell just happened? It is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
It's a weird night. It's a weird night.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Yeah, w W Hall Fame. That was also weird because
they had it in the ring and yeah, that was weird.
With the road they need the stage, like they need
the stage for that is I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
It's it's kind of jumped the shark. It's not like
it jumped the shark from like they should not induct
people anymore. It's just jumped the shark from like a
for me TV from a TV and even just an
event like I was at till ten WrestleMania and twenty
one one in twenty twenty two. I'm not going to
the Hall of Fame ceremony. I probably like, I'm sorry,
I'm not. I'm doing everything else but that I'm avoiding that,

(01:42:08):
like going right around that to probably going to the bar.
I'm going, oh, you're going, you're going over there. I'll
be here at the Bug in next a couple of
hours and I'll see y'all much later.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
But we gotta see. Uh Rick Flair inducted himself in
the Hall of Fame this time? Like wait, what?

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
How many times are people going to be inducted? Maybe
Eric Bischoff will finally get inducted?

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Is it? They're so weird, dude, it's weird. It's weird.
It's a weird thing. It'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
I'm sure the Undertaker will be one of them soon enough.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
We'll see. We'll see. But that's not w W Hall
of Fame for you. It's much bigger, deer than it
was back in nxteen ninety six. Back in Next ninety six,
we got Sid Psycho Sid again and I said, vicious
Cycho Sid and probably his weakness, it's one weakness. What's
his promos? And he stumbled his way through another promo here,

(01:43:14):
which the promo was supposed to be conducted by Doc
Hendrick Slash Michael Hayes, but Jim Ross just came in
and bowguarted and it was like what you gonna do?
As about a series, It's like I'm going to win?

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Like, actually, world. I liked this because for me, it
was like Jim Ross is like enough of the fluff,
you know, blah blah blah, What are you gonna do?
Does the title mean that much to you? Like what
do you? What are you gonna do? To your friend
Shawn Michaels, And this is like the like I actually
liked this. I was kind of surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
I agree. I liked it too.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
It was like I like that Jim Ross, like that
that part of Jim Ross that just wants to cut
through the bs and be like no, really, like it's
for the title, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
What are you actually wanna do here? Sir? Where you
wanna get done.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Are you gonna do whatever it takes to win?

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Are you? Where are you on the night of the fourteenth?
By the way, all of a sudden, the light shines
on his face, like what we did? We heard this?
Where's this? What did this happen? This wasn't this not
in the script?

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
A damn script.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
This is supposed to be part rhyps. I'm the ruler
of the world, not when I get interrogated by Jim Ross.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Oh Man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Though, we're moving on now to our main event of
the evening. No Michael Buffer this time to talk about
for the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
But imagine Michael Buffer announcing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
This for the first time in history, You're going to
see somebody buried alive the match you're never seen before,
You're never seen again except next year probably, Ladies and gentlemen.
Let's get ready to get buried.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Now. I want to see that. Dammit.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
He's never showed up in w W.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
I believe he did at least one match. I believe
they had a member. This is like, well, well after
w CW. Obviously he definitely I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Let's do a quick I don't recall while you're talking
about that While you're looking that up, I'm going to
talk about the fact that this McMahon commentary has another gym.
When he talked about that this beared a live match
which the rules are the only way to win is
to bury your opponent alive, which is yes, that is

(01:45:48):
committing murder, but this is wrestling, and murder is fine.
But this McMahon said, this is the first non sanctioned
match in WWF at the time history, so naturally it's

(01:46:08):
the main event of the show and it's the namesake
of the show. We're not gonna sanction this match, but
we will put it in the main event, and we're
gonna name the show after the match, but we ain't
gonna sanction it. We don't want nothing to do with this.
This we got no liability, but we're gonna promote the
hell out of it, baby like tell you that. But

(01:46:31):
if somebody dies to hang on us, well we don't.
We don't want nobody to die, but we're gonna promote it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Hell yeah, get that money. Sorry Nick, you later.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Michael Bluffer did announce, by the way, and the twenty
two thousand and eight Royal Rubble.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Ah, yes he did, and Madison Square Garden again he
did one hundred percent correct with that now and then
I don't think we have. They probably got like the
the the invoice Michael Buffer and it was like, whoa
they never get him ever again. We'll pay him this

(01:47:14):
one time, but that's it. Whoa he be? How much
do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
What I mean? I still find it fascinating for me.
I mean, they have the money, just bring him out
every Royal rumble like, but.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
They got the money. But it's like, we can pay
Mike Rome a lot less.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
But he's just as good. Wait a second second, Well he.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Just says the words like all you guys do is
say this is the rules that will rumble and that's it.
Like that's all we kind of need. We're paying him
much less than we're paying Michael Buffer.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
But can he say, let's get ready to rumble.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
He can't say that. Honestly, he can't say it because
that's that's trademark, right, So that cost us even more
money he did it. He can't do that. So but
we're paying him a lot less. But yes, here we are.
The main event. It is bared Alive, the first ever

(01:48:12):
buried the live match in the history of professional wrestling.
I'm sure, like this is historic. I don't think anybody
thought of like having a somebody get buried alive and
as a stipulation of a match, because that just doesn't
even make sense, Like that means that person's going to die,
right well, yeah, it's like but they they can't die,

(01:48:32):
that's murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
They won't actually, like we have a contract with them,
they can't though.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Their corpse has to wrestle fourteen more dates, like they
gotta keep going, like this contract is ironclad.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
I will say it was perfect though for the story.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
It was no you say, make up a great point
and that it was kind of it kind of makes
sense if it is the whole theme of this storyline
of these two characters. It's like this macabre type of
story that these two guys had, it was kind of
leading to this if somebody had to go, somebody had to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Die, Like you would think this is a blow off,
but nope, ITV Series the Wrestle again. What the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
How stupid is that you thought that bird a live
match was crazy? If wait till you see the fifteen
minute time limit.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Match like a regular, regular damn wrestling match. I'm sure
just with Paul Burr in a shark cage. That was
the only difference.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Wait till you see this match with with rules. Whoa
if the match without rules is crazy, what would they
do with actual rules? But during Undertaker's entrance, Jared Lola
kept saying that it was raining in the building.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Yeah what He put his crowd over and said, and
this is just like they're like okay, like like was
it like a.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
Leak over Laura's head and the Square Arena.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Must have been totally ignored him by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
He didn't say, y'all, yeah, you're right there, it is
running Like he just totally blew by Blue by that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Yeah, couldn't even like make a joke about it, just
be like I just think that's because you're wet, Jerry
or something like that, Like what that would fit Vincement
Man in ninety six.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Right, he just that would have been that would have
been a poor joke.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
That's just because you're wet, Jerry.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Pause. Wait a second, let's get back to the wrestling match.

(01:50:56):
That's so stupid. Oh, leave all of this, by the way,
the podcast, this is great. Not even like two minutes
into the match though, Jerry's dry by now, I'm just
gonna not even acknowledge that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
Uh, you're gonna be like Vince totally.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
For two minutes into the match, Mick Foley is already
taking crazy bumps. He took a sick bump on the guardrail,
like this is unnecessary. He could just fell backwards and
hit his back. He just woulped hisself back. Boom, he
hit his head like, bro, that was not He didn't
need to do that, Mick, Like, this is why you

(01:51:35):
got issues now because he was taking his crazy bumps
back in nexte ninety six.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
But I will say thank goodness me to still with
us today. Yes, seeing all these things he put his
body through, it's really horrifying to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Really, it's tough because, like you said, you know what
he's like now, and I mean, yeah, sure, he's alive obviously,
and he's in good shape considering what he's been through.
But he could be in better shape if he didn't
do that stuff. You know, it's not even all this
stuff he did. He was already taking crazy bumps in
E c W and wt W Japan like this is

(01:52:13):
just another this is a day off competitive stuff he
used to do. Eventually, mankind got his hands on a
foreign object, and Vins mc mahn was like, oh, this
should not be allowed. This is going too far. It's like,
wait a minute, events you are watching a buried live match.

(01:52:34):
Somebody's going to get buried alive, and you're worried about
this foreign object. That that's crossing the line. Well, he
wanted he wanted law in order in a buried a
live match.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Let's see we got we have to you know, bury
him this way not that way.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Yeah, really I'm mentioning that, but we want to talk
about it. Also, the next thing I wrote down here
was said, how many times throughout this show did VisiC
man Uel forget about it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
They made fun of him? By the way, did you
did you catch that?

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
It was Jim Ross was still a commentary or no.
It was during the Intercontinental title match when mister Purfect
was out there and ms Man said like one too,
he got him. No, no, And Jerry Lawler goes to
perfect He's like, don't you think he does that a
little too much? Basically like isn't that annoying? Or something
like that. It was just too funny.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
I just think about Tommy Rowan, my brother Tommy Rowan.
We always make fun of VisiC Man on commentary when
he goes one. Dude, No, he got him? No?

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Oh, you know it was Door in the opener. It
was or on Triple H and stole cold because I
remember I wrote a note about it and I wrote,
Lalla asked Jim Ross if it's annoying, how Vince goes
one too? He got him? No, and Jim Ross said
Jim Ros says yes, and it's repetitive and uncreative, and

(01:54:06):
they just like kind of continue on the match like
that was it. I didn't say anything. Yeah, I don't
know why. I thought it was mister perfectly. It was
when Jim Ross was still out there in the first match.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
It's so funny. No, But then and this night it
was like, forget about it. It's like, what do you
I didn't know if miss man was an Italian from
New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
We don't claim him. Sorry, why would you keep him?

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
I can keep him right the ethnic draft now said
the racial draft from Dave Chappelle. The Italian delegation rejects
the missing man.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
We did we didn't draft him. We don't know who did.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Sorry, somebody went rogue. Yeah, and the Italian delegation. The
next thing I wrote down here was Undertaker getting a
big leg drop on Mankind's face with a steel chair,

(01:55:12):
which is something you did not see a whole lot
in nineteen nety six WWF maybe an ECW, but not
in w CW or or WWF nineteen nighty six. And
it was like, oh, snap in the face with a
lake job. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
Yeah, I was so used to seeing Mankind do that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
It's like, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
I didn't even like think twice when I saw it.
But then it's like, damn. I watched it back for
this show, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Like, damn, he was the only person that would let
that happen to him. Yeah, Yeah, that wouldn't have happened
if Mankind wasn't in the ring, That's true, Like that
was who was another big person that he could have wrestled.
I don't know Sid, that was Sid. He wouldn't have
getten a lake drop with a chair to the face, Like,
you don't get him and the Rule of the World

(01:56:01):
family taking a chair in the face. At some point though,
they brawl over the arena, so we get that. In
a lot of fighting, a lot of brawling's actually a
good match. Actually, yeah, a lot of you know things,
different things going on. But at one point, Undertaker gets
Mankind into the hole that he's supposed to get him

(01:56:22):
to to shovel some dirt on him, but he chokes
Lemon into the hole, shovel some dirt on him, and
he get like three or four shovels of dirt onto
Mankind before he's like, all right, he won. I didn't
take a wins. He buried Mankind alive with like.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
We could still see the body, right, a pound of.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Dirt, So it's like he's buried. So it's done, so
you know, nobody's dying apparently, but Undertaker's like no, undertakes like, no,
ya don't understand. I'm going to kill him. I'm going
to keep throwing dirt on him, like y'all said, buried,
Like I didn't tell you how to ring the bell.

(01:57:02):
I wasn't done yet, right, I didn't give you all
the signal. So he's still throwing dirt on Mankind, going
through with his promise of killing this man, and the
referees trying to stop him. I didn't take a throwing
them left and right. I mean they're these referees are
flying off this dirt mound where they set up the
grave at. I mean, they're just flying left and right,

(01:57:25):
and then out of nowhere, some guy in the mask
hits Undertaker with a shovel. Do you know who that was?
I don't know who that was.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
I know who was who was it? The executioner? Was that? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Is that Bam Bam Terry Gordy?

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Yeah, okay, I figured that. I just didn't know for sure.
But I didn't know for sure that was that was
Bam Bam Terry Gordy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Yeah. And it's funny because the shovel head like completely
fell off after he hit him. I was like, I'm
looking at back, I'm like, wait, like what like he
had with a like a bar like? I didn't really
it was a shovel until you know, many probably until
that magazine Arcle, you know, because they showed him, they

(01:58:10):
showed a picture of it. I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
The more, you know. Yeah, Eventually a bunch of heels
come out allah En ninety four and he has commenced
to bearing Undertaker with dirt dirt on him.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
I wrote down, all right, Triple H Crush, gold Dust
and justin Hawk Bradshaw.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Yeah right, what the trump brigade brigade in WWF at
that point, that's too good, justin Hawk Bradshaw.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
This is the nineteen ninety six version of retribution.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Oh boy, look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
As the crowds chanting rest in peace, it's like wait,
like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
Like wait minut y'all y'all like him, right, y'all liked
him to take it right, Like, so you're telling him
to rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
The effects too, like lightning and thunder are going on,
like oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
One thing I noticed was really funny was vistik Man.
It's like, wait, you're you're only supposed to be buried alive,
not like this, not like this, not actually bared alive,
just bared alive, you know, like implied but not for real.

(01:59:36):
He's just jokes people like it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
Like the word alive is in there, so buried, you know, alive,
but like.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
He's still living. He's not gonna die. He's just buried
like wrestling like that, like that Hunter Hurst Helmsley guy,
he's buried. He's still alive, buried alive.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Oh hell yeah, see Halloween have a logo here? Sweet?
Oh yeah, next is that name right now?

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
So so yes, fans chant rest in peace as antake
is bear didn't get it. Thunder thunder is going off
in the building. This spooks out all the bad guys.
Let's get out of.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
Here, fans in the front road. Yeah right, you know,
the bad guys with the shovels run away.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
Right, the little kids are like whoao, So they run
away and then mankind is still there and he then
lightning strikes the grave cow in the building.

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
I didn't know say that again? Yeah, before that, did
you notice what the Vincent man said? He said, this
is when like Paul Burr is trying to like, you know,
shovel more dirt, and Vincent Man says, I feel something here.

(02:00:59):
What are you feeling? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
Are you like, can you talk to the paranormal?

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
Are you a medium?

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
What are you feeling? Vince Like?

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
I mean, I don't want to know. But and then
he says, we certainly hope you have enjoyed buried alive
before the lightning bolt strikes. This is before this all happens.
It's like, we certainly He said that. After every pay
per view, though, he would always say we certainly hope
you have enjoyed whatever at the end, and it's just
we certainly hope you have enjoyed someone being buried alive.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
Buried alive. But then that a lightning bolt mentioned hits
the grave and undertake her hands His hand shoots out
from the grave like he's goddamn. Jason Vorhees and vincebook
Man shouts, do you undertake her live? And then we
go out the air. It's like Undertaker is Jason Voyhees.

(02:01:55):
Now this is Friday the thirteenth, Part six. Undertaker lives.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
He will not live, rest in peace.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
As the fans chanted, rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
He will not rest. Like what the hell events Relax,
calm down, relax, And it's so like so the magazine pictures,
you know, didn't do it justice. I didn't see it live,
so watching it back for the first time, I thought
it was kind of cool how they had, you know,

(02:02:29):
like a grave site there. I always wondered, like how
they go about it. And when you see the Undertaker's
hand come up, you can see where it cuts off
fake yeah, yeah, and you know it's a shame that happened.
But like the visual was cool, Like I liked what
they were going for, but you know, when you're doing

(02:02:53):
something like that, you you got to try to make
it like as realistic as possible. But when you can
see clearly like where the door trapdoor or whatever, and
where the Undertaker's really kind of acts, You're just like, oh,
come on, you're supposed to be the ww F, You're
supposed to be the revolutionary force and sports entertainment they

(02:03:15):
kind of did.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
How many bared a live matches this night?

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
Yeah? I loved the concept Undertaker mankind and I'm just
mad I didn't watch it live, but it was kind
of cool.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
What was kind of cool and that was buried alive
in your house? Eleven bared Alive.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
You know, my favorite part of this match. But besides
the ending, uh, Undertaker grabbing a microphone cord, not an
extension cord, a microphone cord. He's choking man choking mankind.
Jerry Holler says, I haven't seen this much choking since
the Cardinals played the Braves. Damn. That year led me
to do some research because I did I just playoff baseball.

(02:04:01):
I had to remind myself the Cardinals. Saint Louis Cardinals
apparently held a three to one National League championship series
lead against the Atlanta Braves and they lost in seven.
After the fourth game when they went up three to one,
the Braves outscored the Cardinals thirty two to one in
games five, six, and seven. Good lord, talk about a

(02:04:25):
choke job. You said, thirty two thirty three games to one,
ten runs a game to one to what point? What
point twenty five or whatever point whatever point three?

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
Wow? Yeah, So long before the Warriors, they were the
Cardinals along a three to one lead.

Speaker 2 (02:04:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's been pretty.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
Unbelievable, two to one.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
Thirty two to one, and would make it worse, the
Braves would lose the World's Series to the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
And that's true, I remember that. But ninety six, ninety six, yeah,
ninety six.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
Yeah, but man, a three to one NLCS lead and.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
You get our score thirty two to one. Damn, that's rough.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
And that was the year after the Braves won the
World Series. So, uh, you know, they were still good.
Braves were good for so long in the nineties, and.

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
I know that when they want an NLCS like we're
going back to back, there's no way we're gonna lose.
And then they lost. But yeah, damn, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
Yeah, always like a good baseball reference and by wrestling.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
I'm sure I'm the football guy, you're the baseball guy. So,
but that is bird Alive next ninety six or with
the one only bird Alive, I should say in your
house eleven bird Alive that is.

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(02:06:14):
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