REWIND: WWF WrestleMania 15 Deep Dive w/ The Blue Meanie

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
And we got a very very special guests in the
building for a very very special special episode that's gonna
say up the straight shooters. But we've done our deep dies,
but we haven't really had guests on our deep dis
I know we had a Patreon guests before for a
couple of minutes. But now we've got somebody who's in
the trenches of one of our deep diyes. We're gon
We're gonna deep dive and to the lone WrestleMania that

(00:37):
took place in Philadelphia Wrestleman in fifteen. We'll get the
hometown hero of that show, Blue Meanie, to talk about
all things not in the show and deep dive right
along with this Blue Meanie I got I'm checking with you,
nig I'm gonna teoing with you too, But we got
a special guests. I gotta check with my guy, Blue Meenie.
How are you doing today, my good blue brother.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm done, man, I'm glad I could be here.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I know how to jump through a couple of hoops,
a couple of flaming hoops to get here, but I'm
here and I'm happy. I'm glad you guys asked me
to come on yeah, man, these guys are great, you
know good people, you know, great guys enjoyed the show.
So yeah, thanks for having me on, man on this
deep dive into my WrestleMania moment in my hometown of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Exactly exactly. So yeah, another thanks of coming on. Thanks
for joining us fitness into your busy schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
But crazy, it's crazy. I have to help other people out.
But I'm glad to help other people out. But also, yeah,
I got my stuff I got to do too, so
I'm like such as this, So I'm glad I'm here
exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
So you have your host your own podcast as well,
the Mind of Meani. If you want to tell the
folks where they can find your podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, my my my podcast which we just had the
one year episode, Minded and Meanie drops every Monday morning
at six am. You can also watch the video version
of Mind and the Meani exclusive, well not exclusively because
it airs the next night on our YouTube dot com
Slash Minded thee Meani YouTube page. But Monday night at

(02:14):
six pm you can go over to fight TV and
watch the video version of Mind and Demeanie, which you
can watch for absolutely free. It's kind of like the
old Howard Stern Show where you can listen to the
show and then later on that night on the E channel,
you know, you can watch some clips from that show
you just watched that morning or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm sure somebody will pick it apart and go, well,
actually it was from a couple of weeks to no,
but whatever, you can watch it, don't fight TV.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
So yeah, we're busy over the world and minded meeting
myself and Josh Sureenoff, having a lot of fun and
I can't believe it's been a year.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Wow, there you go over on fight TV, so straight
shoot listeners, go check it out. Support the good brother
Brian heffrom Blue Meani has always been good to us
from day one.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Anytimes this is my real name, I assume I'm in trouble, mister,
step into the room.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What I do now? You know, people's office.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Us a shoot name here and there.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
But you know it's all good, It's all good.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's all good. But Nick, I know you're good having
a good day today because the day is opening day
Phillies here in Philly. Right they're playing at home.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Right they are? I hope they are. Otherwise we I'm
really stupid right now. But yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Funny home for COVID.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't know if you saw not surprising. Uh the
Nationals and Matt's I believe, so uh you know that's
gonna happen and it's going to happen the rest of
the year. So uh, I really it's my Christmas today,
so I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Phillies are my number one love. If I had to
rank them, they would be up there. But I don't
like ranking them because I you know, I love my
sports teams equally. But I've been following the Phillies since
ninety three and like that year, so what a year
to start following them.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
What a magical year.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
It was absolutely incredible. And I remember, you know, I
was told I had an imaginative mind when I was
that young, because I told my teacher that I went
to Toronto for a World Series game like the previous night.
She was like, really, you went to Toronto and you're
in school today and I was like, yeah, it's not
that far. And I didn't know how far away it was.

(04:29):
I didn't know the map yet in the second grade
or third grade, I should say I was in third grade.
I didn't really know the map yet. So uh yeah,
I'm humps ready to hopefully finally have the Phillies make
the playoffs for the first time in ten years. And nice,
it would be nice, It would be it would be
So I did it.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I did an article for Sports Illustrate where I did
a breakdown of how that ninety three Phillies team was
just like the ECW roster, you know. And yeah, I'll
have to send you the link. I don't, I know
we're here for the deep dive for WrestleMania AB. I'll
send you the link. And yeah, that, you know, the
characters on that ninety three Phillies team remind me a

(05:10):
lot of ECW.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
CW was.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
We may need to do a deep dive on that eventually.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
E CW. I tell her about.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
You watch every sports movie like Major League or Slap
Shot that.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Was e CW. And we we lived that, you know,
we lived those those movies. You know.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
The ninety three Philter is one of those teams that
people still talk about, even though they didn't win the
World Series. They talk about that team almost as finally
as they talk about the Oait team that actually won
the World Series. It's really it's not say strange, it's
just really odd how that happens in philip the people.
If you probably ask a lot of people who their
favorite Phillies team is, especially if they're of a certain age.
Maybe the younger generation will probably say to eight team

(05:50):
because that's the that's their team, right, But if you're
over thirty, into your forties, maybe even fifties, I'm probably
gonna say the ninety three team is just as popular.
Were just as fun to watch at that eight team,
that team that won it all instead of the team
that had a heartbreaking loss in Game six in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
So yeah, and that just goes to that goes down
to characters get over more than wins and losses.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know, there he go, there he goes.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's a lesson, a wrestling lesson.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Right there, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's a wrestling lesson.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
R there.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
But let's let's get back in that way back machine.
Not quite to nineteen ninety three. Let's go back to
nineteen ninety nine, where Philadelphia hosted one and only to date,
hopefully that'll change soon. It's one and only WrestleMania. I,
me and Nicko was sitting on the podcast. Well while
meani that we might. We're thinking Wrestlemans can't come back

(06:39):
in twenty twenty six because it's like the was that
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country, and
we already got the baseball start in coming that year.
So we're hoping, crossing fingers that they'll bring in WrestleMania
that year two. But for now, we got Nicete ninety nine,
we got March twenty eight. Next ninety nine at the
at the time was known as the first year sent

(07:00):
now on this as wells Fargo Center, We're gonna talk
about that a little bit as well. But Brian, let's
talk about you for a second. Where was kind of
talk about where you were in your life at that
point heading into WrestleMania. You know, just kind of take
me back into your mind at that time heading into us.
So before WRESTLEMANI even happens, you know, it's in your hometown.

(07:22):
You know, you got a lot going on with you
got a master worry about talk to us about your
mind state of mind heading into WrestleMania back in ninety.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Nine ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
It was was interesting because, uh, you know, I come
into ww uh and I'm I'm in doctoring, indoctrinated into
WWE through the Job Squad with Al Snow, Scorpio, Bob Holly,
Gilberg Gilberg and uh.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You know, you know, the Job Squad was doing pretty
good and then.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Uh somewhere along the line, Uh, they start breaking up
the Job Squad.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Uh you know, Uh Scorpio got.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Released, which it sucks for him, but in a way
it kind of works out for me because then they
start putting on the house show Loops Temo with Bob
Holly as a member of the Job Squad. And you know,
as a young kid, you know, being on the road
for WWE and that, you know, I don't know how
it is now, but back then, if you were in

(08:23):
ww you wanted to be on those house show loops
because that's where you.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Made the real money. You know.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
People are like, oh, you're on TV, you're making No,
you make money, go into live events.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
So I'm doing pretty good.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I was TEAMO with Bob every night wrestling edging
Christian uh lean up to Like I said, they start
breaking up the uh job Squad, and I was just
trying to find my way. So when uh, you know
they did the angle where gold Dust stole Al Snow's
head and I'm like, oh man, it's you know, they're

(08:57):
bringing up the job Squad. There's an opportunity for me
to get back into the fold. So I go to
U to Vince Russo and I pitch hey, gold Dust
Ole to Alice No's head.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'm with al Snow in the job Squad. E c W.
I was blue Dust.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Now gold Dust is a character that is the the
plays the mind games. What if I bring back blue
Dust and play mind games with the guy who plays
mind games in order to get Alice nose head back?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I watched him processing.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
He started chewing his gum and he was like yeah, bro, yeah,
and then he pitched it and he's like, yeah, you're
going to do it.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
And then I you know, I had you know, a
match with.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
A match against gold Dust at Saint Valentine's Day massacre
in Memphis, and uh that that February fourteenth, Memphis.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, you Valentine massac. We talked about that in the
podcast a couple of weeks back.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I've been I had a lot, so I had I
had to have Sometimes I'm getting to my age where
I have to say things.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Out loud to remember him.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Uh, so hence, you know, I start having this few
many feud with gold Dust and we turn around to
start uh teaming, which you know, leads me into WrestleMania,
where like, you know, if I hadn't pitched that idea
where I feud with gold Dust, it might not have
led into me eventually teaming with gold Dust and uh,

(10:19):
you know, which led to me, you know, being in
Goldust Corner going into WrestleMania, which was you know, when
you you know, there's certain feelings you remember, like I
remember when I, you know, first got signed by WWE.
The electricity that went through my body as soon as
I hung up that phone, and I was able to
go to the next room and tell my folks to
put all the bills in my name because and and

(10:40):
you know, when I found out, you know, we're going
to be part of WrestleMania, and it's in my hometown
of Philadelphia, in front of you know, friends and family,
there's a jolt that goes through you. You know, It's
it's like, you know, any scene out of a movie,
you know, and in some ways you could say, oh

(11:01):
that was in the movie, it'd be too corny, but
it was my movie moment.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
So I like it.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
So yeah, going up to that, you know, you just
sometimes you know, around the time of year, I reflect
on WrestleMania's past, whether it's the first time I ever
went to a WrestleMania, Like, you know, I watched the
first three. I'm close circuit with my grandfather at resorts
in Atlantic City, went to four and five by myself,

(11:28):
but my grandpa got sweet tickets because he worked for
Trump Plaza. And then, you know, the first time I
watched WrestleMania my home live was WrestleMania six because you know,
that was like the pay per view had been around,
but I hadn't had a reason to get a w
W pay per view until or WrestleMania on pay per
view until WrestleMania six. So you know, flash forward, you know,

(11:53):
nine years and then you know from watching you on
pay per view WrestleMania six, and now I'm going to
be on WrestleMania fifteen.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
It's it's so bizarre. It's kind of like it's like
my Vince Papali moment. You know.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Obviously, like you said, it's a big day. You grew
up here a four for four fan for all the teams,
and you also worked for the promotion that was like
pretty much a fifth favorite everybody's fifth favorite team here
in Philly and E c W. So yeah, yeah, that's
a that's a dope moment. That's a dope moment that
a lot of wrestlers don't get, especially not just out
of WrestleMania, but also your your WrestleMania in your hometown.

(12:29):
Like how many people can say that?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
And it makes you think, man, because you know, there's
so many wrestlers from Philly and uh, a lot of
wrestlers I consider more talented and myself who never had
the opportunity. So you know, the other day I posted, uh,
you know my memory of being a wrestling at fifteen,
and uh, Tom Brandy Salson's here reached out with a
text saying, hey, happy WrestleMania day man. You know, and

(12:53):
Tom Brandy is a guy who you know, when I
was just a fan, I was thinking about becoming sorted
by Tom Brandy at the convention, I was like, yeah,
I think about getting to the wrestling business. How old
are you in I think I was seventeen at times,
like oh it's perfect, go do it, you know, And
he gave me that motivation and we're still friends all
these years later.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Do you think he was sincere about it?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oh, I'll take you five see way out, sit this
one out.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Uh no, no, but Stier, seriously, you think about all
the opportunities I've had, and then you know of other
people who would killed to be in that moment, and
you just it makes you appreciate the opportunity to have
like a story book moment in your career. I debuted
for each W and Philly, debut for WW and Philly,

(13:44):
my WrestleMania moments of Philly. You know the only thing
that would have topped it off is if I could
have come back, came back to the rumble in Philly.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
You know, that should have happened to WW dropped the
ball in.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
That by the way, it almost happened, but uh I had.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Two chances to do it and didn't do it. Damn.
It should have happened.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
So well, and they would have booed nakamora.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
So yeah, it came down to me and Bob.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I didn't mean to step on your joke there, man,
I'm sorry, but it came down to me and Bab.
But they chose Bub But I got it, So no
hard feelings.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Uh you mentioned you know you're gonna be able to
have this moment in front of your friends and family.
Where was the logistics like of taking care of them
as far as like tickets and stuff like that. Like
what was that all like? Cause I know, like we
went to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago,
and the players always talk about getting tickets where everybody
is hectic. You know, I let my wife or whoever
do that, And I know for me and I didn't

(14:41):
have as many tickets and responsibilities as players, it was
still I had to get like twenty four hours for
me and I had to figure everything out. This Isia.
How was it for you trying to take care of
everybody in the lead up to this?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
It wasn't too bad.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I had brought my family to a prior just right
our house show and that was that wasn't too bad.
But you know, they had a special. It's funny. I
was watching it because, uh, you know, leading up to this,
I rewatched russe Mania fifteen tos to refresh my memory,
and I remember there was like a family suite, like

(15:18):
a suite for wives and husband's family whatever. And after
my deal, you know, I washed up and I went
up to the family. Sweet, that's the word I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Sweet. And I got up there right in time to see.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Triple H turn on XPOC. And like anytime I watch
x POC versus you know, x POC get turn on
by Triple H, I kind of look for the Yeah,
I kind of go, oh, yeah, I was sitting right
up there watching, you know, just with my family and
folks and stuff like that. So yeah, it's just like

(15:53):
certain things bring back certain memories. But the logistics wasn't
wasn't too too bad.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
How many people did you have? Did like thirty forty
people then?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
But it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Uh, you know, keep it, keep it, you know, keep
my circle small. So yeah, it wasn't it wasn't too
too bad.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
So uh.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Thankfully for me, most of my family hate it wrestling
and made fun of me for liking wrestling as so
I didn't have to worry about those folks, so, you know,
just you know, immediate family and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
So even when you got to WW, you figure like
by the point by the time it's a WWE, they'd
be like, oh, well, maybe this is working out for Bryan. Yeah,
like I can see if you're on the indies and
stuff like that, maybe they're still scoffing at it. But
w W this is a big time.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh they liked it, you know when they get hit
me up for money. But oh that's great. You're in WWE.
Who got five bucks? Uh, but you know other than that,
you know they they're still scoffed at it. Oh it's fake.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
How can you watch that fake thing? I was like,
I don't know. How do you watch TV? To the movies?
You know, it's it's entertainment.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Also that money is real?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
And then think about that money.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, Uncle Sam got most of it. But yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
That's the one thing people don't realize. You know, whoever
you make in wrestling, take fifty percent of that and
just throw it towards the government.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
And travel and expense and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
So it's like, yeah, it's that cartoon where the guy's
pulling out his pockets, just like you know.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
I'm gonna get me one of those.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Oh dude, I get yourself a road caster. Man. These
things are fantastic.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Well, we used to do, uh when we were in
the studio, we would have like keenan of kel Bits,
just like you know, hits from that. That was like
my favorite thing to do in the studio, Just play
this kel Bits. Man.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I keep forgetting how much older I am than you guys.
You're like man. My first phillyst season was ninety three,
graduate in high school.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Well, the funny thing is I had just started playing
baseball too, because I guess my parents wanted me to
at least do something outside of the house. So it's like,
I'll try baseball and I fell in love with it.
So it was like the same year I started watching
the Phillies, so it just kind of worked out. Thankfully,
it worked out that year and my first my first
WrestleMania was WrestleMania six, So yeah, I didn't watch it live,

(18:26):
but I watched it. My babysitter and her family were
huge wrestling fans, so when I would stay over there,
they got me into it, and WrestleMania six, I was like, wow,
like this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's awesome, very cool.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, so we we've been to WrestleMania since nineteenety nine.
And then the whole week leading up it is like
a big deal. They had the access convention, they have
all is all the independent shows surrounding the event. I'm
sure you've probably taken part in a couple here and there,
and in the last you know, the last decade and
a half that they've had these big independent shows surrounding WrestleMania.

(19:00):
What was the week like back in ninety nine, especially
for WWF talent. I'm sure you probably, I don't know,
how were you busy? Were you doing a lot of
radio hits, a lot of interviews? And after that we
got to talk about the wrestlming and rage part it is.
We did a deep dive on that back in like
last August, and we're still like wondering what the hell
was that? But first talk about leading up and just

(19:22):
what was that? What was that like for you and
the other guys too, How was it hectic? Was it
not so hectic? You know, did you have a good
time or was it like it was?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
It was pretty much just like it almost felt like
you were just doing I mean, russeming is a big thing,
but you kind of felt like you're just leading up to.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Another Monday night raw or whatever.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I did an interview for the Philadelphia inquir or Daily News,
whichever the and I think I saw the article. H
they di did the article and you know, the hometown
guy doing WrestleMania in his hometown and stuff like that.
And then there was like the day before, there was
like a thing on a Saturday. We did a meet
and great on the boat and the boat wumping down

(20:02):
the Delaware for a little bit and we came back.
We had lunch and as me and gold Dust with
a couple of fans, and a fan was kind enough
to send me an eight by ten from that thing
where I would have totally forgot about it, but uh,
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
But other than that, it was basically just uh hanging out.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
And then like you said, we did the rage party
on Saturday night and then next day, you know, you
show for wrestle Mania like you're showing up for TVs.
You know, it's just like it felt like another TV.
But hey, it's the biggest show of the year. Oh pressure,
Uh if you watch that WrestleMania, man, you I'm I'm
breaking out in the sweat just from you know, nerves

(20:40):
and stuff like that, and my paint's wearing off and
I'm just you know, I was just like I'm gonna
make sure they say.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
My name uh, lead leading up to it.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I mean it sounds so I want to sound like,
you know so blah, but it felt like, you know,
it's leading up to another their TV and stuff like that,
you know, which you know that that you know, uh
far into the business. You're kind of used to doing
press and stuff like that, doing interviews, and so it
was cool to be in the inquiry you know, in

(21:16):
the photos me clothes, lights, nying draws, who's another area native?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
So it was like uh p a on New Jersey
crime and right there. So yeah, uh and it.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Was really cool because it was you know, leading up
to it and doing the uh the lunch on the
the ship and then doing the doing the rage party.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Did you guys have like a loop ahead of time,
like a like a househol loop or was you just
like here kind of for a couple of days leading up.
I know now that theyn't only have house shows leading
up opposites. They're just here for the whole week and
it just kind of hang out.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I would have to research that on history at w
w F dot com. But uh, I think I think
we did that weekend that week's TVs.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Uh, you know, we did that raw and uh I
think we went. I don't think we had any house
shows leading up to that.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I'm sure somebody else fact check me, but just going
from memory, I believe we did that Week's to Go
Home episodes of Raw leading up to WrestleMania, and then
we all went home. I'm it might have been different
for me because I lived in Philly. Other talent from
other cities might have had to come to Philly early.

(22:24):
So maybe that's where I'm kind of losing the plot
on that one, because.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I just went home.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Home is Philly.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I'm sure other talent had to come to Philly to
do press and stuff like that, But for me, it
was just like being home, which was like the cool part,
sleeping in you know, I did WrestleMania and I'm sleeping
in my own bed the night, you know, it's kind
of cool.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh, but now we got to talk about this party
because we watched it. We did dive on it.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah, that was one of our very first ones too.
It left the bar.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, and we have me and you and talk about wrestling.
At fifteen you'all talking about the race party. Were you
at the race party? I'm assuming you were, yes, at
the convention Center. Yes, what was the mood like because
it looked like on TV it was just like a
bunch of guys in the convention center just hanging out
in the middle convention Center and there would be some

(23:18):
wrestling stuff happened at the same time, like a promo,
Vince MiG Man dancing, but like all this stuff it's happened,
but it's just a bunch of people standing hanging out
in the convention Center. It's trying to take me backstage
or take me just what what? What the hell was
this part of you?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I wish I could give you some exciting it's something
exciting about it. It's like, uh, there was a big
room with the convention and everything like that. It took
up like a good portion of the convention Center and
then there's like a green room in the back for
the boys just to hang out.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
And it was kind of surreal.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Because, uh, that that night I met Jack Wild from
Ozzy Osbourne man who was he was hanging out because
he's a big wrestling fan, and he brought the guys
from his band, Black Label Society, just to hang out.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
He wasn't even before me. He was just there hanging out.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Well, he was friends with security guy Jim Dotson, the
uh frame by real guy.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, the real.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Muscular guy who's always at ringside. He was the head
of security for w W and yeah he was. Jim
Dottson was a huge metal head and uh, Zach being
from Jersey, being local, he invited Zach out and Zach
was hanging out in the back with uh the boys
just watch it and there's a monitor and there was catering,
which is like, that's the joke, Like, if you're not booked,

(24:39):
you're you're hanging out catering. Uh, you go to my
prestling teas. I have a t shirt for unbooked catering.
It says we have something for you when creative, doesn't
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Uh so uh like that. Yeah, that night I learned
a lot about pesto sauce. Uh Dick. I was eating
this big plate of possum like it's that green stuff. Oh,
it's posto.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I was like, let me try it, you know, four
plates later, you know, I was like whatever, and I
was I was slated to be one that rage party.
This is how competitive the you know, WWE was at
the time, you know, especially dealing with live TV. You
could be slated to be on the show and last
second ago, Okay, your segment's cut, because there was a

(25:25):
there was a moment where me and gold Dust and
Ryan Shamrock We're in the middle of the floor at
the Rage party with a camera crew at everything, and
we're waiting to come back from commercial and the fans
are watching us, and I'm just standing there like waiting
to go in go into mini mode. I was supposed
to do like as sort of like a lap dance

(25:46):
for gold Dust to win his attention over Ryan Shamrock,
Like Ryan Shamrock was going to be like, you know,
playing with his hair misode. I was supposed to, you know,
dance like I'm trying to win his affection and stuff
like that. And then like right as we're right, I'm like,
like you know when you see somebody running a race
during the go position at the starting blox, I'm like

(26:08):
in the starting blocks. And then the producer goes, oh,
the segment got cut. We're like crap, So we have
to just like turn off the lights and walk off.
And I guess maybe the good part about that, the
good part that came out of that is we're walking
along and I'm walking side side by side, turned to my.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Right and there's Isaac cas.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I was like, oh, hey, hey, and he shook his
hand and that was about it. I was, it's the
son of a bitch. My camera's in my gear bag.
I would have got a photo with Isaac Hayes. But
h man, it was an interesting show, you know. I
just remember hanging out catering and watching most of it
from catering and uh, you know, uh watching some of

(26:46):
the bands play.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
You know. So there's a couple of bands that were good.
You know, they're in there.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
You had your one hit wonders like there's a Big
Mouth or something something.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Cherry Popping Daddy's was there.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
And there was another band. They're at m cover with
somebody at the America flag tattoo during their tongue. I'm
trying to think of that band. That a song. I
think that a song in Varsity Blues or something like that.
I'm going back to.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Performed Big Pun and the popp and Daddy. So that's
that's all I remember. As far as the musical acts,
I guess there were more, but I don't remember. Do
you remember, Nick No?

Speaker 4 (27:23):
I just remember the try Poppa Daddy's was like, well,
and so that's all I remember.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think these guys were the dark match. I was
gonna ask you there, there's festivities off air as well.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
How really, how long really was that party? Wasn't an
all day thing or like pretty much?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, I know, I wouldn't say all day it was.
It was a pretty much an all.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Night thing and was not like it, but you know,
it was long enough for them to make money off concessions,
which you know, justified running out the convention center for
an for night. You know, so you know that they
had a bar and stuff like that. You guys are
getting lit up and having some daddy sodas.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
So yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Was crazy on TV for whoever it was on TV.
It was fun all fair too, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
I think in my head I had because I was
a big fan of Shot on Saturday Night even though
I could watch it live. So in my head going
into that, I was like, this is gonna be just
like shotgu on Saturday Night two years ago. I was like,
they're gonna maybe they'll have a ring there and they'll
have matches, and I was excited, but that way I
take it anyway, and I was like, oh, this is Okay,
I didn't really watch it after the facts and until

(28:37):
we did a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
The crazy thing is when I was I was only
ten when it aired, and I'm like, I want to
be there, Like it looked like the coolest party in
history or TV. Yeah, on hindsight, it probably wasn't the
coolest part in history. But as a kid, you're like, man,
all those people are just having fun and living life
and his stone cold and it's DX and like Philly.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know, right.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I grew grew up in Atlantic City, and I still
kicked myself for not going to the Slammies.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
You know, the Slammies were literally three blocks from my
house where I lived in Atlantic City, and I wish
I would have just went and watched them, you know,
record the the guys pulling up to the building and
stuff like that. You know, when you know you show
guys showing up in ambulances and limousines and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know, I was three blocks from that.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
And then for wherever mental block I had, I didn't
leave my house to go even look or try to
get in because I was pretty good at sneaking into stuff,
you know, as a kid. You know, I stuck me
and my my buddies from high school stuck into the
Holy Field Foreman fight Nice, which is which is like
a scene out of a movie, you know. I know
we're talking about wrestling, but like that. We were like, man,

(29:47):
let's try to get in there. It's one of those
doors where once I had to push bar. The outside
door was just flat. But we stuck our fingertips in
on each side of the door. Five guys this side,
five guys three two what and we pulled the door
flew up and we went we went Holy. It worked,
and security went, hey, get out of here, and we

(30:07):
just scattered talk roads and I was like, they can't
catch us all. And that preconvened at the top and
watched the fight for free in the Nosebleeds. It was
pretty cool, but that's true. I kicked myself for not
going to down to seeing the Slammy. So I when
you said, you know you wish you were at the
Rage party, it just brought me back to that time,
you know, where you know, I was a young kid,

(30:29):
you know, trying a guy for my way into situations.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's funny because that same event, WrestleMania iously didn't have tickets.
I didn't go, but I wanted to watch it on
pay per view. I don't think my mom knew how
big of a wrestling fan I was just yet. So
when like you've probably seen this back in the day,
the pay per view will start and you had that
little like ten minute preview and then it shuts off
because you didn't pay for it. Obviously, that was me.
So I'm litting to watch another maybe I had to

(30:54):
watch it for free, and then it shut off. I
was like, no, that's not crying, man. I was like ten,
I was crying and I didn't get to watch WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
If you team, oh, well, back in that time, when
the cable remote it was this button said a slash
b Yeah, if you kept hitting that, you can listen
to the scrambled pay per view you know.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh yeah, we've done that a couple of times back
in the day.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
That was me. With the Spice Channel.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
There was like, oh, I see a nipples. I'm like that,
it's just like the counts.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I guess, yeah, that's funny you guys talk about that.
I didn't want to go to WrestleMania because I I
was like the biggest wrestling fan I was the only
wrestling fan when I moved to Jersey and I was
in my school and then I got really popular, so
people were like talking to me about it here and there.
But they liked, you know, the Rock and Austin, like

(31:45):
the big guys. They didn't care about like the mid
old card or in the big card or you know,
the opening match or whatever. So I was just kind
of like, well, they're they're not real wrestling fans, so
I don't want to like associate with that. Like I
was a snob, you know, like I was a wrestling snob.
I was like, I'm the real fan here and I knew,

(32:06):
Like I just had a feeling that so many of
my class bates were going to be at WrestleMania, even
though I haven't talked to them about it. So I
was like, I don't want to go, Like I'd rather
just watch it at home in my safe area with
my parents, like that's where I'm most comfortable, Like I
don't want to be in that crowd. I never went
to an ECW show. I have friends that went to
a lot of ECW shows and the ECW arena, and

(32:27):
I remember I went to a Combat Zone Wrestling show
in twenty eleven, and I was just like, Wow, this
this crowd is so different than when I'm used to
when I go to like AWF show, and I just
wasn't a fan of it. Like I had a certain
comfortability of what crowd I wanted to be around and
understand attitude. ORF wasn't that, you know. I went to
Overall in ninety eight and I was like, oh, like,

(32:48):
I don't like being around here. I missed the new
generation of nineteen ninety five, like Diesel and whatnot and
Jeff Jarrett and everything like that was my That's where
I felt comfortable, you know, attitude or a crowd. So yeah,
I was happy just to watch WrestleMania from Philly at
home when I was lived, you know, twenty minutes away.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Dude, you just just you just described my life at
forty seven where I really just don't want to leave.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
The house just I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
You know, back in the day, sending me to my
room was a punishment.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Now it's a reward to.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, you gotta tell me, yeah, I'm going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, it wasn't really wasn't a punishment as kid, ause
I had a TV, I had a fridge. I had
everything i'd like the coolest bedroom as a teenager, you know,
just I took whatever furnishing.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Your other relatives didn't want.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
You know, I had a full couch with a pull
out bed and a TV, a.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Fridge and the study pretty much. Yeah, yeah, I had
a perfect bachelor pad for a teenager.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
So let's let's get to the show now. And it
was provide some context a little bit, because context is
a WWF at this point with crushing things, everything, attendance ratings,
I mean, everything is flying with the shelfs, merchandise, everything
is selling. It's a hot product on TV, meaning you're
right in a thick of it. So you know, obviously

(34:20):
with ECW in this a day, But what was it
like being with WWF at that point in time when
Steve Austins had his peak, the rockets at his peak.
I mean we're not even into the popular best part
in the attitude. I think the best part was two
thousand when they had like edgend Christian and the tag
teams and all that stuff. But what was it like
for you being a part of a product that high
at that level too?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I was very fortunate you know, I was part of
ECW during their hottest period from like ninety six to
ninety eight, and then you know it just it seemed
like happit stance where I get to call the god
WW in ninety eight two thousand, you know, which in
some ways was the hottest. Right, It's all matter of

(34:59):
opinion and tastes and stuff like that. There's no wrong answer.
Whatever makes you happy, you know what is what I say.
But uh, it was very cool man.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You know, they're they're doing TV in e CW where
a lot of it's uh you know, uh, you record
it and they you know, edit it and post and
then you know, we start doing live TVs around you know,
barely legal, and that's when we start getting you know,
tasted doing live TV. And when we did Monday ECW
invade it raw. But then you go to w W

(35:30):
and there's that pressure every week of live TV. Well
at that point it was we do a live Monday
night raw and then on Tuesday we would do the
following week's raw, and eventually, you know the pressure became
to do you know, Eric Bischoff put the pressure on.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You know, give him all the credit.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know, he's giving away w w's you know the match,
you know, the wins and losses, you know, the the
finishes on Monday nightro Okay, this week their taped, you know.
So the pressure became to do live every week. So
that pressure I'm just doing live TV every week. I

(36:10):
hear stories about, like, you know how back in the
day when people used to you know, work on Saturday
night live and they're working hard to get their bit
on their you know what I'm saying. When you're there
in that era, it's you're you're working hard just to
get a match on raw.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Sometimes you get you know, relegated to like.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
A heat or a metal you know or something like that,
which is fine, nope, and not knocking anything. But like
as a performer, you wouldn't be on that live raw,
you know, because you know, ten seconds on a raw,
you know, your life changes, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I remember going to WWE. I would go to Walmart
down there on Delaware Ave.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I'm like people following me, you know how I
would get like for easy, I'd be I would get noticed, yeah,
out out in the water, and then but like you no,
you're walking through Walmart and you're you've you had that
sixth Center where you feel like you're being followed or watched.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Some people call it paranoia, but like, you know.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
You're walking down an aisle and you're like side eyeing,
and then like you stop and the person down at
the other end of the aisle who's going down that
aisle stops and you start walking.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
They start walking kind of thing. It's like it's like, man,
WWE's TV's got rereach because I'd live here and you know,
I was on TV every week in Philly and none
of this stuff happened.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
You know, kids are knocking at your door, you know,
ask Wow, stuff like that, which I'm not complainting. A
lot of those kids wound up becoming adults and you know,
I meet the Mountain the Wild name remind me about that.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So it's all cool.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
But yeah, being WW in that era, my god, the
fact that I'm still here in twenty twenty one talking
to you all about you know, things I did in
WW with Russell Meania fifteen.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I mean it had staying power. But like, yeah, man,
I went I went and watched that.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, Like I said, I wanted to prep myself for
this and rewatch rust Mania fifteen, and I mean They
did a lot of hot shotting in that era too,
because of the pressure of live TV and having a
direct competition, you know, now they and when when TV
was really a war between WW and w c W.

(38:22):
Now they try to do the whole Wednesday night wars.
But with NXT and a W, I was.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Like, can't really be a war if you're fighting over
decimal points? You know?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Uh, seriously, back in the day, you know, Roland Nitro,
they were doing eight point whatever's nine point whenevers, and
now it's yours. You're fighting over point oh five whatever,
you know, calculus, you wanna.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Whatever, whoever. Yeah, it's not a war, but yeah, that's
my soapbox.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
But back in the day when it was a real
war and you felt real pressure to not only beat
the competition, but pressure as yourself as a performer to
get that airtime because this.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Is the money maker right here.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
You know, I know we're on audio, but I'm making
a square around my face for the my co host here.
You know, this is the money maker, your face. You
want that on that Monday night raw. So yeah, long
story short on your answer or short story long, long
story short, whichever you prefer. Yeah, there's a lot of pressure, man, Yeah,
to get on that live TV A right speak enough pressure.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Let's go to March twenty eighth, ninet ninety nine. This
is you talk about pressure. This is it. This is
Wressell Mainia, the biggest show of the year, not just
from a you know, storyline standpoint, but from a financial standpoint.
A lot of you guys, that's that's He's back in
the day with the old pay per view model. The
majority of your pay for that you're probably came from WrestleMania.
So you gotta show up, you gotta show out.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I'm sorry, it's funny you say that, but no, uh,
I know I'm jumping ahead, but like we you know,
before I got there, I always heard stories of man
went that WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Payoff, right, and then uh, you know, for those who
don't know, you know, you get your weekly I had
a weekly downside guarantee.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
If I went to TV, I got X amount. I
went to a pay per view, I got X amount.
Now if I'm on a paper, if I go to
a house show, I get x amount. You know, I
could get to draw from that week's you know, cash advance.
And then a couple of months later you get your
house show money if you work a pay per view.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
At least back then, I don't know how it is
now with the network.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Back then, if you worked a pay per view, you
could get your get a cash events against your check,
and then a couple months later, maybe three months later,
you get your pay per view check. So we work
WrestleMania and uh, you know, back in the AOL days,
your own aim and we're I'm talking to a couple
different co workers.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
They're like, did you get your check? Yeah? I got
my check and like the check was just like a
regular Hause show payoff. Oh, and like you're like, you're thinking, man,
you know, because going w W You're like, dude, you
hear stories about guys getting their pay per view check
and it's like a down payment on the house.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
You know, especially the WrestleMania check, like you said, it's like, oh,
that made my year. Oh you're thinking people all the stories.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Hey, you're thinking you know five figures, you know, and
you're like, you get your You're like, dude, I got
my WrestleMania check. I thought it was like a massive
square garden check, you know, which it was nothing to
sneeze at either, but at that time, they're saying it's
the highest rated or the biggest buy rate for any

(41:46):
w w W pay per view at that point. And
then you get to your check and you're like, oh,
I guess I went to the you know, I guess,
I guess I went to.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
The main event.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I don't know it was a rage party check.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
If I have twenty twenty hindsight back in the day,
I could have said that to whoever I was chatting
to on an instant messenger with.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Is this a rage party? Check? What the happened? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I think you think you think Austin and Rock for
a house, but it's like, damn, they took all the
money too, apparently.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, hey, they deserve every penny.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Man, they were dude for like, like I said, for all,
I went through like me walking through Walmart and get followed.
I watched them walk through an airport.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Oh my god. And this is like pre nine eleven.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
This is like pre nine to eleven where anybody could
go through the security and sit at the gate and
wait for you with a stack of eight hundred and
eight by tens and hoping you signed them and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
This is crazy. You know what those guys went through
and the pressure they went through.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
So I felt awkward going to the mall and send
it in line just to beat them. And I can
imagine the airport, Yeah exactly like I thought awkwards, just
because I'm like, I feel like I'm bothering them even
though they're there for that, you know, like no.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
But they're at the mall for a reason.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
But when you're going to an airport to fly home
and there's a guy at the airport the.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Stackape by Tense, Hey can you sign these? I was like,
I'll sign one of them right right, and they go
away and they, you know, send over a kid with
the stackape by Tense. He's not going to turn down
the kid, is he. You know.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
It's just apparently that that kind of thing still goes
on to this day, which oh yeah, yeah, people COVID,
even in COVID, so people trying to get in airports
and uh get autographs.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Even at Novacare with the Eagles when we you know,
our headquarters people non COVID times, people will wait outside
the gates and wait for people to pull out, you know,
and try to see what who's in the car. Well,
can I get autographs, sign a helmet or whatever. So, yeah,
people people are are you know, hectic when it comes
to those autographs. Man, they don't play games. I guess

(43:58):
that resale market. I guess it's maybe it's worth it.
Maybe you get the right autograph, the right signature, and
somebody's willing to buy it.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, you could come up, but.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I don't know if it's worth it. All the time
when you're bothering people in the airports, yeah, maybe two
o'clock in the morning on at the end of a
loop maybe, and they are tired, you.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Know, Yeah, And you get people at the worst time.
They just woke up. They don't want to be going
to the airport, right, You just want to be in
your own bed, And hey, can you sign eight thousand
and eight by tens for me?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Especially if you're late for your flight and stuff like that.
And then you know, if you blow him off, Oh,
he was so mean to me.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
That's exactly craziness, exactly. So let's go to the starts
of Wrestlmingia fifteen. We got Boys to Men of the
Philly Natives, Boys to Men Singing America, the beautiful most
of the catalog is still a bop to this day. Obviously,
I'm sure we all know multiple songs. My personal favorite
is Motown Philly Back Again. You know what I'm saying.

(44:55):
That's still about to this day.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I still shed a tear for End of the Road exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You know, that's I got.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I got to meet those guys backstage, and uh, very cool,
very cool dudes. But I was just blown away by
how much taller I was than them, because you you
grow you grow up watching people on TV. You're like,
you think the tallest guys like, he's got me seven foot,
I'm like taller than than than the tallest guy. I

(45:24):
was like, oh, son of a bitch. TV fooled me.
And then like now I was watching it the other day,
you know, leading up to this, and now I gauge
how tall somebody is depending on how close they are
to the top rope.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, because they are the taller, they may may look right.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I was like, well, the top rope comes up to
my shoulder blades, so I'm I'm I'm gauging. I was like,
that's up to his chin, so he's you know he's
a little bit shorter, you know, Yeah, it's goofy. How
I gauge things you know nowadays, But those guys are great.
And then and what a way to open up the
pay per view with the hometown talent, and it's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Did a great job, and go ahead, Nick, I was
gonna say no, a single piece of w WF merchandise,
you know, the way Willie Nelson had play WrestleMania seven.
That's that's how I gauge. You know, do they really
like into it? Like boys men this year? Like, do
they really like WWF?

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I take of their fashion because we had I put
the fashion of nineteen ninety nine was on full display.
We had one wearing a turtleneck, another one wearing a
sleeveless leather vest, and another one had like a bandana
around his head. It was just like this, this is
this is fashion in nineteen ninety nine. You look up
boys and men, they were all like they could have
went straight from WrestleMania straight to the club. But when

(46:44):
you got a nineteen, it's like, what what the hell?
That a sleeveless leather vest?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Really? Steve Austin now probably his vest he had the
pre rock Hollywood leather vest going on there did the
rock concert.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So then we transition to a video
package voiced by Classy Freddy Blassie, which I thought was
actually very well done.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I would hear his voice.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
He has a very like that gravity, like very like
I said, I'm called Barentone. It's just very deep and grabbed.
It sounds very like it's emotional or like legal. It sounded,
it sounded it was dope. Though.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, I love it, love it.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Shout out to Classy Freddy Blassi. We get the big
Power display and we got Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler
on the call, and we got Michael Cole calling the
Rock versus Steve Dawson the most anticipated match in the
history of w w F. Now, obviously this these are
the two top guys in the game at this point,
and there are two of the pretty much everybody's Mount Rushmore.

(47:51):
It's one of or both of these guys. But was
it actually more anticipated than Hogan Andre or Hogan Warrior.
I'm I'm just asking because I'm like, as much as
this match was anticipated and WWWWF was on the money
train at this point, like they were white hot everywhere
they went and sold out, was it more anticipated than
Hogan Warrior or Hogan Andre.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
You could say Hogan Andre because they filled a stadium, but.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Both of them did Hogan Warrior, did Sky Don't two?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I just uh, I think
in a sense that both talent wound up coming up together,
like uh, Hogan Andre. Even before WrestleMania three, they had
a series of matches you know, where you know, Hogan
was the heal and Andre is the babyfaces, even though
WW didn't you know, prevent present that in the build up.

(48:47):
But like you talk about two talents who came to
WW relatively around the same time, and they ascended the
ladder pretty much together.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
You know, at the same time.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Andre was always on and he was always the draw,
you know, and then you know, Hogan became became Hulka
Mania and they were kind of baby faces at the
same time. But for the you know, the Rock to ascend,
they pretty much and a lot of people leave Triple
H too because Triple H and the Rock kind of

(49:20):
came up that ladders sended that ladder, yeah as well.
But you know, the path they took for this WrestleMania
was Rock and Austin. I think it was you know,
well anticipated just for the fact that these two guys,
you know, okay, I send it, I'm repeating myself. But
they ascended that ladder and they were meeting at the

(49:41):
you know, essentially the super Bowl of professional wrestling, and
of course, you know, they say that's the most anticipated
wrestling in that matchups until the next year, you know.
And yeah, they got to sell somehow. I remember the
first wrestlemanator like, uh, come see WrestleMania Alive because you'll
be older gray by the time these tapes are seen again.

(50:01):
And then three months later they're selling the vhs. It's like,
that's when I learned wrestling wrestling will lie to you,
you know, wrestling, wrestling business will lie.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
It's definitely part of the cell. But I just I
just wanted to examine. I always wanted to examine stuff
like that, like it was it an actuality, really was it?
Or it was just another time that they're gonna like
for the first time ever or the biggest match ever
or something like that, Tony Shavanni and the most anticipated,
the biggest night in the history of our sport type
of thing.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
So those guys were scorching hot, of course, yeah, no doubt,
no in that era, live TV every week and ratings,
battles and you're dealing with you know, you know, battling
w CW into peripheral and stuff like that. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
It's pretty anticipated, the fact that this was part one
of a WrestleMania trilogy, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, no doubt. First match on the show, though, we
get after, we get Michael Cole and j Law's introduction
ohing matches for the w w F Hardcore Championship Triple
Threat match, we got Hardcore Holly Billy Gunn and the
Man that trains you Lumini and Al Snow all the

(51:12):
way in Lima, Ohio. Talk about how much Ouse knows
meant to you. I know you saw you had a
post on social media, that social media not then long
ago about the big start of your career and how
much Ouse knows meant to your career. Talk about him
a little bit and how much is meant to you?

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Oh, Al Stuon's my big brother even to this day.
You know, a lot of times when you go to
train in any line of work, it's easily so easy
for somebody to just take your money and not show
you anything. And you know, you know, back in the
day people would train you and they would try to
make you quit, you know, and you know, they beat

(51:47):
you up, take your money, and out the door you
go and on to the next But when I was
training with Al, I mean he was meticulous and not
only how he trained, but you know, made you understand
and why it was hard.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And you know, he kept me. He made me believe
in myself.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
You know, there's a lot of times I wanted to
quit and I would roll out a ring and be like,
I can't do this, and then he would be like,
you know, all right, calm down, take your breath, and
he was he just talked to you and get you
back in the ring and teach you what you need
to be, you know, taught.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So it was very very cool.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
You know, and you know eventually, you know, I was
without for a year and then he said, you know, hey,
it's time for you to go out into the world
on your own and learn how to hustle. And I
got my way into e c W and then now
comes to e CW. Then Al goes to w W
and then eventually I go to w W. And how's
my gateway into w W through the job squad? So

(52:47):
He's always been a huge part of my life in
and out of the ring, and you know, this was
his first WrestleMania match, which was yeah, it blew my
mind that you know, he hadn't had a rusty match
but to this point. But he was like one of
those centerpieces around that hardcore title, you know, the hardcore title,
which now they kind of brought back in the twenty

(53:08):
four to seven title where you know, people were fighting
all over to the world and.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
But but yeah, that hardcore title is still over man
to this day. People still talk about those hardcore title moments.
And to have it kickoff WrestleMania was pretty cool because
you know, you always want to start off the show hot.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
You know, you always.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Any show, the most important matches are the opening match
and the last match, and everything else is peaks and valleys.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
But you want to.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Start off the show hot, set the tone, and then
you know, peaks and valleys, bring them up, bringing down,
bring them up, bringing them down, and then leading into
the main event when.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Everybody's called their breath. That's where you wear them out
for the grand finale, you know, so to speak, with
any show, So the fact that they open up with
the hardcore match reminds me of you know, years to
come when they would open almost every WrestleMania with the
tlc uh Money in the Bank match. I'm sorry, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Know, the the you know following WrestleMania's sometimes the most
exciting match would be that opening money in the Bank match.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
You know, it's set the tone for the night. You know,
something big, what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
So, you know, opened up with a hardcore match made
sense because it was you're going to start off the
show hot and Belly, you know, was the champion at
the time, which was unique.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
UK.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
I don't really think of Billy Gunn's hardcore but hardcore.
Holly fit into that role quite well, I think, you know,
uh and he, Bob Holly found his niche with that
hardcore division. Uh and wait, I popped a little bit
because he came out in like black trunks of black tights,
and it's like, you know, everybody's known for getting there,

(54:55):
you know, the WrestleMania year.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
You know, he did not.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Many a gear on. He just had black boots, black tights.
I don't know, I don't know what happened with that,
but look.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
He spent years as Thurman Sparky Plug. He's like, I'm
not I'm not here for the bells and whistles anymore.
I'm trying to be straight forward now. I'm tired of
being a NASCAR guy and the whole bells and whistles,
with the gear and all that stuff. I'm just hard,
you know.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
With that Hollywood Bob too. Uh damn Hollywood Bob Holly
and Smoky Mountain. But Bob many he uh, he made
a niche for himself with that. That was a perfect
That was a good venue, good avenue for him to
uh break out. He broke it out.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Like I said, they split the job squad and Bob
you know, got a you know.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
He found a niche with the Hardcourt.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
You know, the title became a a naming a competitor
on the roster where you know, before he was a
little bit lost in the shuffle, but now he had
a reason, you know, on the card and stuff like that,
you know, with the Hardcore Championship and those a lot
of those memorable matches.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
And on this night he won the Hardcore Championship for
the second time. I wrote that he probably won it
twenty more times, who knows. Yeah, but yeah, it was
a good opener for at least at this point. Isn't
in hindsight is odd to see it the Hardcore Championship
being the opener because you, like you said, you see
my messy money in the bank, you might see like
a big match with like maybe a one on one.

(56:29):
It's exciting. It's like, oh, the Hardcore Championship, And like
I said, Billy Gunn is the hardcore Champion. Like when
I think hardcore champions, I don't think Billy Gunn is
the one that comes to mind.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
But Billy Billy Gunn great performer. Oh yeah, but hardcer division,
you know right.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I always looked at that hardcore title as the ECW title,
you know, n WWF, and I would get angry. I
would get legitimately angry when somebody like a Billy gun
or even hardcore Holly. But before he really cemented himself
as a mainstay in the hardcore division, I didn't view
him as like a hardcore guy at this time as

(57:09):
a fan. So when out I think Al Snow beat
him at Saint Anentine's Day Master when we did the
deep dive on that, and I was like, yes, that
feels right because to me, Al Snow was an ECW guy,
Like he wasn't Leak Cassidy, Like I didn't remember him
as that. He It was the ECW crowd that made
Al Snow for me.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
He made event in Wressell Paluza against Shane Douglass and
even though he lost, like he was an ECW guy
to me, So it felt right for him to be
like hardcore champion or anyone else from ECW that I
watched at ECW. So when it was somebody else, I
was just like, no, that doesn't make sense. I don't
like it.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, I mean I was Originally he was penciled in
to be champion at Russell Paluza, but back and forth,
behind the scenes stuff nothing too hard.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
And that's crazy because Saint Douglas wasn't he like so
beat up? He had like a million injuries at the time.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And yeah, we we mad, Yeah, we told Al he
basically lost to a slot machine because Shane Douglass only
had one arm. You know, you know, it would have
been perfect just to you know, put the battle now
and this, you know, have shaneo heel up for a
little bit, you know, But how was how was supposed
to be the East W.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Champion that night. But you know, you know how you know,
backstage stuff works out not horrible, but just like you.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Know, violating back a few months later, right pretty much.
So yeah, I didn't really hurt Al, you know, because
he went back to WWE.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
But you know, it would have been.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Cool to see, I'll get the ECW belt because he
was one of the hottest ACKs of the e c
W around that time.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
But maybe do you think they knew and maybe it
was like let's hold off and giving him the belt
because he's probably on his way out.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
That could have been a factor too. That could have
been a factor too.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
But like you know, you hear stories and stuff like that,
and he said, yeah, yeah, right, moving on from the
very Games of Thrones without all the murder, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Some blood and guts, but no murder. Yeah, no murder.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
And and then this hardcore match we had a let's
go a Flyers champ. I'll still grab the hockey six.
So there you go. That was the first year, by
the way, I've watched the Flyers, you know, every every
day so or every game. So I was a big
Flyers fan at that point.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Like, yeah, First Union Center, home of the Flyers and
the Sixers. Twenty fifth year of the of that building,
by the way, with the Wells Fargo Center first started out,
it was Core State Center. Yeah, then first Union in
Wacovia and then now it was Figo. So yeah, twenty
five years of that building. That's going by fast.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I went.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I went to the very first public event there, which
was Oasis. Oasis was the first event there. They had
a private event just for employees and stuff like that.
I believe they had a private concert for just employees
and staff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
But the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Where they allowed fans into the building was Oasis with
screaming trees opening up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
And went to that concert. So that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
And somehow that building has had it's going by so fast,
but the buildings had a lot of mainstay and it's
not going anyway anytime soon. It doesn't look like it.
They just renovated it like maybe in twenty nineteen into
twenty twenty and something like that. So the last time
you guys were there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, when that building was uh, when it was first
built and it was course States Centered, people used to
call it just a lot of locals would call it
Spectrum two.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
It was weird yeah, yeah, I remember seeing that. Yeah,
like paper and stuff like that. Spectrum too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
A lot of old heads be like, ah, spectrum too.
I'm got the spectrum too, to see the flyers or sixers.
It's like, well, it's of course State Center, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Spectrum one. Now the spectrum is gone. It's been for
a long time too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
It's crazy to think that some people today don't even
know what the spectrum. They've never even been inside it,
don't even know, don't even remember it being there, because remember,
for a long time it was still there. Water Wells
Fargo said it was still they had both buildings. Yeah,
where Cinity live is now. It's what a spectrum was,
I believe dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I just had a memory and you just jarred a memory.
Uh that Okay, the Friday before WrestleMania, Okay, myself, the
head Bangers, Paul Bear, Al Snow and Al Snow's family
went to a Philadelphia Fandoms game at the Spectrum.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
What a crew, by the way, you said, you the
head Bangers, Paul Bear and Al Snow and Paul Beart's family.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
You just jarred a memory out of my my, my
thick skull like, Oh, what did you do during the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I was like, oh, I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Friday night, me Al's wife, his kids, and the head
Bangers and Paul Bear went separately, but we just were like, oh,
you're here too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
So we just all sat together. I have a friend
who's the equipment manager for well, he's with the Flyers now,
but he's the equipment He was the equipment matcher for
the Philadelphia Fantoms. Is Philadelphia Fantoms against the Hershey Bears?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Nice?

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
That's like the Austin Rock for the Ahlty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Much because like they're they're they're like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Anytime somebody on the Philadelphia Fantoms will like do something,
we're getting to a fight, they will play like a
w W theme.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
There's like a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
And somebody would hit like another I went to a
couple of Fantoms games that year. One guy got into
a fight and they would hit the rocks music and
he would just stand and do the do the rock thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
So here here's a funny story from that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I wish I could remember the guy's name, but you
know me, Paul Bart, the head Bangers, Al and his
family are sitting there in our seats and I guess
somebody's just smartened up the guys on the team that
we were there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
So they guy, one guy from.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
The Philadelphdelphia Fantoms just beats the own somebody from the
Hershey Bears to the point where he's hitting the guy
and the guy's just turtling up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
He gave up and he's still on time. It's like
a UFC fight. Bomb boom boom, boom boom.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
He's like, yeah, Well, years later, maybe a year two
years later, I ran I went to see this band
called Bonehead, a local cover band UH play over at
the Penna East in New Jersey, and that same player
from the Philadelphia Fans was there to see Bonehead and
he's like, oh, yeah, I remember you guys came out

(01:03:30):
and we were all saying you were in the crowd,
and he's like, I was in a situation. Normally I
wouldn't have gotten into a fight, but I knew you
guys were in the crowd, so I knew I had
to do something. And he purposely had to fight and
beat the shit out of guy just because he knew that,
like the WW guys were in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I love how he call it the situation, Like we
all saw it happen. We all saw you fight this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yeah, he's like, normally I wouldn't have got hot, but
I knew you guys were in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
I knew I had to do something.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
You know, I found myself for this predicament.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
And then like they hit Stone Colds music or something
after fight or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
So that that was pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
That's pretty wild that a fan of game.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Yeah, two nights before and then Raged Party one day before.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yeah, that was the real race party. Yeah, I get
the Convention Center. It was more raging at the Phantoms game, yeah, man,
and then the Convention Center. But moving on to the
second match of the night, got the w W tag
team titles being defended Owen Hart and Jeff Jarret defending

(01:04:36):
against del O Brown and Test. Now, Deelo Brown and
Test got this title match not because they were like
some established tag team, because of course you're like, why
the hell were they attack teams? Like, no, they weren't.
They were just the last two people that won a
Battle Royal on like heat before WrestleMania, and they were
fighting each other at the end of this Battle World
it's like, no, no, you won. You guys got to
stop fighting each other now, like you gotta match, you

(01:04:58):
gotta imagine like maybe an hour stop fighting each other. Yeah,
So they go up against owen Hart and Jeff Jarrett
and I wrote, it's a shame. I think I've talked
about this before on the podcast that Jeff jarted owen Hart.
They were attack team, but they weren't together too long
because of course owen Heart unfortunately passed away right uh
in May. But I thought they were actually really good together,

(01:05:19):
and I thought we we would have known, like we
would recognize him as as a more prominent tag team if,
of course owen Hart hadn't passed away. I think they
might have splitten up even before that. I'm not totally sure,
but they were actually pretty good together.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I think like they were split, but they were still
kind of joined a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yeah, it was kind of like at that moment, uh,
you know, the X were still together, but the New
Age out Laws, you know, the Gun had the hardcore title.
Bro Dog had to intercap the title. They weren't totally
split up, but they were what different.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Paths at that right, But Uh, owen Hart and Jeff
Jarrett were really a good team that complimented each other
really well, and they also had to do besides the
fact there were great workers, but they had a really
deep relationship off camera as well, you know, both being
family men, both great fathers, sort their children and stuff

(01:06:13):
like that. So they had a bond you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Know, off camera, which wound up, you know, working its
way on to camera too, you know. Or they were
both heels, but you could tell they they had great chemistry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I agree. I thought it's kind of like I was
watching things watch saying Valain sins a massacre, and then
we watched Wressel Maina. It's like, damn owen Hart and
Jeff Jed they were they were pretty good together, Like
and I don't you don't think of Jeff Jed as
more as a tag team guy. I've always remember him
as a single and on Heart. He's had multiple tag teams,
but he was always good and own Heart's one of
the greatest of all time in my opinions. But him

(01:06:46):
and Jeff Jed together, I thought it really worked, and
I wish they got a longer run together. But this
match was it was a match. I mean, we got
tests WrestleMania debut. I did not know he was a
to guard from Motley Crupe. I mean, look at him,
it makes sense, dude. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be missing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Him at all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I think that was just storyline. Uh uh what do
you call it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Uh, bodyguard from Motley Crue. That that was the storyline.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
That's how you because they didn't Motley Crue. They played
appearance all yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Yeah, yeah, so they played and that's how they test.
He wasn't a shoot bodyguard for Motley Crue. But you
know the storyline, that's how they debuted him. He's from Canada.
He trained in the I want to say he trained
with the Hearts. Uh and uh, you know test no
longer with us. Uh, you know, total sweetheart of a guy.

(01:07:42):
I mean it's a shame. You know, two guys you
know O N N. The tests are no longer with us.
But uh yeah, you know, since we're talking about tests,
you know, I mean everybody knows that don't hard but
you know test total sweetheart of a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Uh, you know got a good run the first time around.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
I think you had even better run this second time
around when he came back with the short hair and
it was his mom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
But I always got along with him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
I had I had a match with him, you know,
around two thousand and two, maybe two thousand and three,
the eight man tag together for a wrestle reunion and
so good in the ring, timing and everything, and to
the point where we got along so well. Like he
was in town for Where's the World in Philly. I

(01:08:26):
was stopped by to say hey, and he was doing
an independent showing. He was thinking about telling the guys
to you know, to book me so he could just
work me on the show and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
You know, He's like, I don't know what I'm doing
the show. Maybe I'll just have them, you know, have
me against you where something like that. But I was like, ah,
that's kind of cool. It didn't happen, but it was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
It was nice of him to uh say that to me,
you know, but he was he's going way too soon.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, you know everybody again, you know, Owen was in
this match.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Owen passed away. Everybody loves owe and everybody knows Owen.
But Test was a really good dude.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Man. He was a really good guy, sweetheart of a man.
He looked like a monster, but deep down he was
a sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Guy that's here. I am believing everything w W tells me.
He's a bodyguard from Motley Crue. Well he must that
must be true. What they weren't just lie to me
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
He looked dumps was really a Garber's man exactly found him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
You know, well they.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Well, you know, boss Man really was like a prison guard.
This is like back in the day when they, you know,
would well, what do you do in real life? You know,
when they had no ideas, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
And I was one of more creative ones, a bodyguard
from Motley Crewe. I was what fifteen, not even fifteen
years old. I'm like, oh, that's okay, I'll take it again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I bought it. I definitely bought it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
And this match, this was a quick, you know, nice match,
well worked or whatever. It wasn't nothing crazy, Uh, even
though all four guys in the ring were great. And
I don't really anything bad to say about either any
of the guys, especiallyh. I got de Litt Brown, you know,
I love thee little Brown, one of the more underrated
performers of his error in my opinion. But it was
a match and Owen Hart and Jeff Hart, Jeff Jared,

(01:10:14):
I should say, retained Owen Hart and Jeff Hart, you
know their long lost heart Broe. Yeah, right, but Owen
Hart and Jeff jarreted retained Attack titles because Delo Brown
and Tests couldn't get along and they're fighting with each other,
and Ivory and Debora arguing with each other, and Terry
Reynolds comes out, you know, she's a PMS. I think

(01:10:34):
Jackie was jackling out there too. It was a lot
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Yeah, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
It's I hate to say because there's so much talent
ringboa it's kind of a throwaway match.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
So yeah, yeah, I fucked the same thing. I was like,
it was kind of weird for WrestleMania. Uh you know
to have that or see that on in WrestleMania, Uh,
not even four minutes long the match and then you know,
just the weirdness going into it with Test and d
Low and then coming out of it, and it was
just like what is going on here? Like it doesn't
didn't feel like a WrestleMania type moment because I'm so

(01:11:04):
used to WrestleMania finalizing everything, and I was like, I
was so confused by it. So it was one of
the first times, I was really confused by a WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Ending.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yeah, like you said, it's just a lot going on. Yeah,
I just I didn't get to finished at all. But
like I said, it's so much talent involved too, like
Jacqueline Miss Texas, like hall of Famer, you know, Jeff
Jared Hall of Famer. Owen Hart is not technically in
a w W Hall of Fame yet, but he's a
Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Delo Brown. I think it's worthy, you know, or the
Nason Domination as.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
A group worthy. Absolutely, Man, he's from the area. He's
a boy. I first met him at the Monster Factory
a week before I was driving out to train with
alf Snow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah, I've my buddies would go to Monster Factory and
pay like ten bucks to you know, roll around and
ring and do like backyard type backyard type wrestling and
stuff like that. And him and Reckless Youth, Reckless Youth
was there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Sorry for stay with the new mouth. Uh. And then
like months later I run into Dlo.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
He goes through Smoking Mountain, he comes up and he
becomes a trainer at al Snow School. After I had left,
so me and Delo's paths of across a lot of time.
But yeah, definitely he's a future Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Absolutely he ought to be. Like I said, if it's
not just him alone as part of the nation domination,
let's do it. Yeah, man, let's do it because that
was a that was a dope group as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
He's working over you know, he was over.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
People still doing the next shape, like, come on, I
don't like people still doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
And there even the European title like thing. He's known
for that still in twenty twenty one. It's right, great
the chess protector like, it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
He's from a different country in Europe every every week.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Al Snow used to call Dlo Johnny Bench because he
wore a chess protector like Ina.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
And he had one of the dopest frog splashes of
all times. People don't talk about for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
His size, the stuff he was because Steel is a
tall dude. Man, he's a big dude. And do some
of the cruiserweight style he could do at his height.
It's so impressive, so impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Yeah, So shout out to Delo Brown, shout out to Test,
shout out to everybody involved. In this match. This match
wasn't it. But everybody in his match, like you said,
talented and worthy of are capable of more, but just
wasn't allowed to do it at WrestleMania fifteen for whatever reason. Yeah,
moving on, we got man. We got a lot to
talk about here at Mianie. We got the braw for

(01:13:43):
all Man oh man, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
For one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Do you did you know Bart Gunn? Kind of guy
was Bark Gunn? If you if you were familiar with him,
if you got cross path with him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, Bart's a great guy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I really wasn't around him a lot in WWE or
for the time, so I was around him. He was
always approachable, always respectable or respectful. You know, I was
a dude on the roster, and you know, you know
a lot of times when you're, like I said, you're
trying to fight to get that TV time. You know,
some guys not aren't stand offish, but you know they're

(01:14:17):
they're trying to you know, get theirs in. But he
was always It's always a good dude. I saw him
years later at the convention that one of the legends
of the ring in Central New Jersey. Still great guy, man, Uh,
a great guy who got put in a tough situation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Yeah, because the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Bro for All was you know, designed to you know,
as a catalyst for doctor Desk, Steve Williams, doctor you know,
Jim Ross famously said in the in the back, He's like, well,
you know it's gonna be Steve, Steve Williams and everybody
else fight for second place, and uh and then you know,

(01:14:56):
unfortunately Steve william Steve Williams blew out his his his knee,
He blew his knee out, he tores acl orever, he
couldn't continue, and Bart knocked him out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
So everybody thought this was kind of like a receipt
for uh Bart, that's the theory.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
I'm not sorry the plan, but the theory is this
might have been punishment for knocking out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Even if it wasn't actually a punishment, this is just
you're still leading a lamb to slaughter and poor Bart Gunn.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Well, the theory and another theory is Bart might have
had a chance if they didn't try to train them
to be a boxer. Uh, going into bra for all,
you know, guys were just straight up fighting, uh to
the point where you know, when Bart Gunn went to
fight Bob Holly and bro for all had a gentleman's agreement,

(01:15:46):
no takedowns.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
You're going to knock me out, knock me out. We're
just gonna punch each other until we knock each other out.
Don't because there was the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
You can either win by you know, knockout or takedowns
and get points and stuff like that, which uh Dan
Severn wound up doing to uh Mark Merrow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
He just kept taking them down and get the points.
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
So you know, bark Gunn and Bob Holly had that
gentleman's agreement no takedowns, and you know Bart was just
knocking guys out because he was just using raw instinct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
I think the mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
They made was of him going to a gym with
boxing people and take away his this natural instinct stuff
like that, because uh Butterbean later on went to say,
It's like as soon as I saw him trying to
be a boxer, I knew I had him. And there
was a couple of times like before you know, the knockout,
where you know, bark Gunn was trying to stick to

(01:16:39):
that boxing technique and he made the mistake of you know,
turning around and turning his back to Butterbean, and Butterbean
said that also said that was another tell that he
had bart gunn where he wanted him. He you know,
bark Gun was spinning around trying to stick to being
a boxer and not a brawler. You know, if he
would just stay, you know, did just go in there

(01:17:00):
to wait, hit a heavy bag, you know, you know,
get your reps in throwing punches and not be a boxer,
I think he would have had a better chance. I
think I think he still would have lost because you know,
butter Beans, you know, little have been the game longer.
I think bart Gun could have definitely made it more
interesting if they had just.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Not put him in a gym with boxing people.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Yeah, I felt like ball and said, I felt kind
of bad for bart I think it was the second
season of Dark Side of the Ring. They covered the
brawl for all and they had bart On and it
just I watched that and I feel so bad for
him because I mean, yeah, if I was in his position,
I probably would feel like I was being you know,
because I won that they were mad and because their

(01:17:46):
guy in win and they were trying to just it
was like a receipt. So I definitely understand where he's
coming from, but I didn't. Uh, it's kind of interesting
to me that they were, you know, they're like, okay,
well maybe you be better off student as a as
a boxer in this particular match and what you did
to win the tournament, which is kind of like, well,

(01:18:09):
I don't. It's not the boxer for all tournament. It's
the brawl for all. Like like you said, but he
was a brawler. Let let him go with that. But maybe,
you know, he knocks out Butterbean, then maybe something worse
happens for him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Who knows if he knocked out Butter Bean, man, people,
somebody would became up rich that damn Vegas if he
knocked out butter that would have no hell, no chance
in hell. To borrow a phrase with Vince a man
that he was going to knock out butter Bean. But
to Meenie's point, maybe we had a better chance. Maybe
he would have gotten embarrassed and like what was it
thirty five seconds or something whatever it was, Yeah, that

(01:18:42):
was brutal.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
And to take it backstage, there's a contention of w
w wrestlers and Butterbeans folks in the back at the monitor,
and I heard I sickly remember somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Going, yeah, Barr, knock him the out, knock his fat
ass out. And then and then like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
That's messed up, man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
A bunch of those guys who are yelling at did
the home Homer Simpsons, you know feedback.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
We everybody's like, yeah, knock his ass out there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
And then it was just like oh and then Butterbeans
folks looked over at us, and it was like I
wasn't saying anything. I was like, because Butterbean was nice
to me, I was like, ah, he's he he was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Butterbeans a great guy if you meet him, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
I also a professional fighter who at this point had
like forty under his belt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
This was the easiest payday of his life, you know,
next to knocking Johnny Knoxville out in the Jackass movies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
You know, just hysterical.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
He had Johnny Knoxville snoring. But can I also bring
up a really I brought this up with social media
for the bar brawl for All, they announced the judges
beforehand with Chuck Webner, uh, the guy who well I'm
getting to that, but the guy who trained in Rooney

(01:20:12):
and then they introducted they say the best for last
with Gorilla Monson and the reaction and the reception from
that crowd is probably one of the most emotional things
I had have been around. Again, Like I said, we're

(01:20:33):
all in the back at the monitor for this because
interested interested to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
But like a lot of the boys got.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Emotional when they introduced Gorilla mont Soon and the standing
ovation he got from the crowd, because I think the
crowd was acknowledging this might be the last time they
see him, not only because you know, like they said,
you know, Gorilla mont Soon retire. Gorilla was huge for
the rest of Philadelphia wrestling scene with WWWF.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
He was from the area.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
He lived right over the bridge in Collingswood, New Jersey,
you know, ten minutes from my house, and uh, you know,
I think everybody kind of you know, you looked at
Gorilla and you're like, this might be the last time
we're seeing him. With the stantivation and in the back,
Mike Kyota, the referee who Gorilla brought into the WWF,

(01:21:21):
really got emotional when he saw the cheering as like
you know, this pumping like yeah, you know, clap and
you know, because he was so happy that his mentor
was getting this due in essentially his hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Yeah, that's the Yeah. I've really noted that too. That
Gorilla got one of the honestly one of the biggest
pops of tonight when he got to do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
That moment was deeper than anybody could imagine, between the
crowd reaction and the crowd reaction, the reaction of the
boys watching on the monitor, that that was a down low,
on the down low type of emotional moment that you know,
you know, I had to bring it up, but like I,
like I said, I was rewatching us so many of

(01:22:05):
fifteen for this and I took a photo of my
TV screen to put it up. I was like, this
is probably one of the most emotional moments of the night,
you know, that a lot of people really don't talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
But I had to point it out, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Yeah, no, thank you for pointing it out, because, like
I said, I noticed it, and Nick, I'm sure you
did too. That Gorilla got a very warm renovation from
the fans in Philly. The same for Jim Ross later
in the night too, when he got introduced absolutely of TV.
They definitely showed their appreciation. I think about Philly, man,
people give us a bad rap, but when we appreciate somebody,

(01:22:39):
We appreciate big.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Like people know they say it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
We cheered Mary Olemia when he came back from cancer
exactly people want to talk about you threw snowballs at Senda,
But Mary Olemia was battling cancer and one of his
first games back as a Penguin was in Philadelphia. We
gave him a standing ovation and nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
As we should. Yeah, right, ye, same thing with like
Kobe and his one of his last games too, you
guys standing though I think Jordans like guys used to
kill us from the court. But like hey man, like
it's all it's still all over at the end of
the day. Like there are some times with Philly fans
me a little rambunctious, you know. But for the most part,
like I said, when we show our appreciation, we show
our love you just no mistaking it, and we show

(01:23:22):
it in a in a big way.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
So sometimes we paid a price for a couple of knuckleheads.
But right, the majority of the fan base is good,
but there's those couple of knuckleheads that people have to
get attention to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Right And even in more recent memory, the Phillies twenty
eighteen where they won the World Series and players got
traded away. They come back, they take you know, they
get in the batter's box and they have to wait
a few minutes because the crowds cheering. They give them
a tip of the helmet. You know, that's us. That's
us to a tee. And like Mimi said, we pay

(01:23:57):
the price for a couple of knuckleheads and that's all. Unfortunately,
he would makes the headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Yep, that sells paper.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Oh yeah, leads yep, ye yep. So hopefully I don't
know uh bark gunn was bleeding on this night, but
I wo'll be surprised if he was, man because.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
And also the the you know, the one of the
first people to check on bark Gun was Gorilla Monsoon. Yeah, Monsoon,
you know, come to the ring side and check on
bark Gun because Gorilla is that type of guy, you know,
checking on the boys. Not only was he one of
the boys, he was he created, you know, he promoted wrestling,
and he is checking on one of the you know,

(01:24:37):
one of his uh fellow wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
You know, he was one. He was there right there
with the doctors checking on Bart.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Yeah. Bart, honestly, and I wrote this, he should have
been TKO. After the first knockdown, it was clear that
he wasn't ready to go back and fight. I don't
think he was even up for the eight count, Like
he was probably up on his feet, but he wasn't.
It was more like how to do last man standing
matches where you just kind of get to your tippy
toes at and they're like, all right, you're good like
but in real boxing, you got to be there at eight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
I think if you would have had a real boxing
ref in there instead of an actual boxer who an
actual boxer goes, oh, he could tough it out, rubbed
him dirt on if he had an actual impartial official
on there, you know who can call up right down
the line. I think a real boxing official was said nope,
that's good, right, And.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
That boxer was Vinnie Passed. So Vinnie pass a passing
Passienza as he was on this night, but now he's
just Vinnie Passed went fifty ten in his career, lightweight champion,
middleweight champion, and super middleweight champion. So he was a
known boxer, but like you said, not an actual official,
so he's probably lean more like all right, I'll let
him fight it out, But in reality, it was like

(01:25:45):
twenty seconds in and Bargain was already down and when
he stood up, a real official would have fell his
gloves and been like Nope, can't do it. Yeah, Vinnie
passed like wait and do it man, And that was
a mistake because fifteen seconds later, butter beeing Daniel knocks
bart Gun's head off his shoulders, yeah, and bart goes
tumbling down to the man. It was awful, like it was.

(01:26:07):
It's honestly awful to see. Like I mean, I remember
seeing past asking bart gun if he was good, and
bark Gunn is like he's a fighter, so he's like, yeah,
I'm good. He wasn't all right because it wasn't long
later he got put down. It was it was rough.
It was rough to watch, and like I said, poor Buck,
you can't you can't help but feel bad for bart Gunn. Yeah,

(01:26:28):
they look like the haul this man off to the
nearest morde after fighting. After fighting, he's butter Beans a
professional fighter. Oh, by the way, he outweighs him by
like one hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Yeah, Like if this was actual boxing, they would have
had a different weight class for this whole thing right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, they would have.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
They hauled him off the Rockies meat case to put
him on ice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Yeah, I'm assuming most of the boys backstage was like damn.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Like I said, they were all like, knock him out, Bart,
and then everybody slowly faded off into the background.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Oh, I got I gotta get ready for my match,
like you already had your match, I gotta get ready
for another one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Like the Fellas.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
It's like the Fellas at the strip gloves when the
guy goes okay, guys, now throw some money on the stage, and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Everybody's at the stage until the time throw some money up.
I got ye, oh got the beer got me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Then after the match, which was this is kind of
weird that Sandy with Chicken runs out and messes with
Vinnie Pass and Pass punching, punches him in the beak
and that's the end of that. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
The lockout was uncomfortable until I saw the San Diego
Chicken no, sell the punch and get back up dancing again,
and I was like, definitely, I had to fast forward
that that was so uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
He was like, oh, it's I just got stunned.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
He got knocked out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
He did the nasty plunge bump, and then he gets
back up and he starts, you know, trying to goose
Finning Pass, and I'm like, Finning Pass is gonna knock
this mileograph for real?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Now, no soul on.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Now that wasn't Pete Rose, right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
I wish I knew who was in that outfit. I
don't know, I don't know. Probably one of the boys
were like, let me rip this to Brownie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
You know, yeah, who knows, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
We go on to Mankind and Big Show. Uh, this
is for not really for anything other than for the
right to be the special referee in the main event,
which was bizarre. Yes, they far earlier backstage. It was
funny to see Steve Bawston kind of in the back,
like looking and like not doing anything. It's like, I'm
gonna go mind my business here. It's gonna mind my

(01:28:47):
business as this happening. But Big Show was his first WrestleMania.
He has the trunks on, which is always an outlook
for Big Show. Uh, he needs to single it, don't
I don't like coming in the chunks. He had didn't
even have his own theme song. Yet He's still using
the corporation theme at this point, and I put that
mankind got a lot of offense on Big Show early

(01:29:09):
on in this match, like way too much offense on him.
And it's like from the very beginning, WW didn't know
how to book big show, like literally from day one. Yeah,
because you got just beating the hell out a Big
Show right from the start.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
And I some of that, and I've listened to a
lot of Big Shows interviews over the years. Some of
that was also Big Shows inexperience because he didn't He
talks about how he didn't know how to work like
a true giant yet and that Undertaker had to kind
of take him under his wing to teach him how
to work like a giant. But before that, we would
just let guys like McK foley or Steve Austin and
other guys who were smaller than him just tee off

(01:29:44):
on him. And it's like, no, you are seven feet tall,
Like if you don't want them to hit you, they
they're not going to hit you like you can gotch WoT.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
That goes back to w W with allowing guys to
you know, power bomb them and start ye yea. And
sometimes I fallt not that I'm seven foot. But sometimes
I fall on toy trap of not knowing my own height,
you know, like I'll see myself. I'll look at somebody
and it doesn't register health much taller and tell him,

(01:30:15):
Like in front of a mirror and I see myself
next to the person.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
The person's up to my shoulder. I'm like, oh, well, uh,
you know, I'm kind of tall. So uh, he was
a giant. He was a loot.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
He was a cruiserweight in a giant's body, so to speak.
He tried to do all this cruise ofweight stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
You know. No, dude, you're a giant, you know, like
a literal giant, not like he's just six'. Eight. No,
no he was had the disease of giantism and had
to get the. Surgery like an actual legit giant walk
in this. Planet, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
It's like that Movie fletch six six SIX a with
the afro uh you, know, right ye, know but, yeah, yeah,
yeah bumping around a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
And stuff like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
That and uh again it was one of those, matches you,
know the right to be the official later on which
you know they led to, uh you, know led to uh, Mcfoley,
uh you, know getting stretchered out because you, Know Big,
show he was on The Big shows back And big
showed that the nest he plunge.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
That looks painful as.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Hell, YEAH i was actually. Cringed want to, SAY i
was at the gorilla position for that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
ONE i might have been peeking through the curtain on that,
one BECAUSE i remember just the the groan from the,
crowd WHICH i.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Don't think does justice ON, tv but just when that
happens through the crowd is hearing, that you, know you're, like,
man you, know he's gotta go change his underwear on that.
One AND.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
I don't even know How i'm you, know there's a
lot of reasons in a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Ways you know that that STRETCHER i stretcher ride could
have been the shoot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Know just yeah, real you, know but uh, yeah it
was just one of those one of those matches where
it was a match on the card for later on
that night to set up later on a segment later
on that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Night was?

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
It it was a you, know memorable who, knows BUT
i would say. No for, me the most memorable part
was Watching Big show get arrested later and all my
all my, car all my friends on the independent scene
getting to wrestleming a, payday dressing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Up as cops to arrest.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Him you, know but when he when he Squeezed Big
show into this tiny little car and he had to
be super uncomfortable to squeeze back, there hunched.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Over oh my, GOD i would have had likes a
screaming watching him getting in the back seat of that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Car and you, Know i'm not that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Big, yeah that was that that looked rough For Big.
Show but then this match, comes The Big show gets
disqualified because he choked slams and kind of through a
couple of. Chairs more back pain From mankind after you
got five hundred pounds dumped on him From Big. Show
now he gets, choked lamp through through two, chairs So
Big show to. Qualify vince comes out yells At Big.

(01:33:12):
Show Big show almost turns On vince that he didn't
and then he did, so so, uh you, Know mankind's
being taken to the. Hospital vince, LIKE i want to
call the cops On Big. Show So i'm, like don't
call him Visok man. Anymore let's call Him karen. McMahon
i'm gonna call the. Police karen. McMahon, now what was metal?

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Name is, Kay so maybe it could Be.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
Vincent, yeah you go be on to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Something not. Kidding that's another thing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
About this era of wrestling is a little bit confusing
because this is kind of like the this is the heel,
here but later on he's kind of the baby face Versus,
undertaker you know, where like they're hot shot and a
lot of, things and they got so many wheels spinning
that like one, moment one guy's a baby, face in
another moment he's a heel or stuff like.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
That so and, me as a fan growing up in
a particular face heeled dynamic traditional, WRESTLING i was confused
as like a fourteen year old, kid And i'm like
what SHOULD i SHOULD i feel bad for him or
like cheer The undertaker because even though he's evil And
i'm you, Know i'm A i'm a church person right
now because my parents make me get a. Church, like
DO i feel? Bad like what's going? On and THEN

(01:34:20):
i was, like, no he's definitely the bad guy and
like With austin And Big show right. Now so it
was just a strange dynamic going on at the time
in the w wfuly Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Bro shades Of gray Bro shades Of Gray, yeah they're just.
Characters no good guys with bad. Guys Bro, god just
shades of. Gray.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Man i'll leave it at, that shades of.

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Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Com moving, on we have THE wwe Into Continental. Championship
you got Road dog defending Against Ken, Shamrock valvenus and Gold,
dust but with Gold dust as a man of the,
hour The tower Of power to be, sour the blue

(01:36:02):
meaning not, yet but the blue meaning With Ryan stanmrock as.
Well all, Right SO i mean you take, me walk me.
Through what's it, Like you're at that, CURTAIN i have
to do a little position and you walk out and It's. WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Dude you could TELL i was excited BECAUSE i ran
out well before Gold dust and wound up having a
stop in my tracks and, go oh, Yeah goldst is
like twenty feet behind, me and you see me kind
of stand, still and Gold dust walks by, me AND i,
start you, know bitching At Ryan, shamrock Who i'm jealous
of Because goldst is showing her more attention than myself

(01:36:38):
at the. Time uh, yeah, man talk about THANKFULLY I
i had prior.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Experience you, know with doing live.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Events but you, know you're live On, WrestleMania, man and
you know how many. EYEBALLS i mean there's you, know
over twenty thousand people in. Attendance i'm sure somebody affect.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
That meaning, well actually the paint, attimements you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Whatever but you know there's millions of people watching at.
Home and then start the pressure of you, know you're
sitting in the locker room and you hear somebody, go,
yeah this is THE i is. Paid you, KNOW i
has Purchased WrestleMania ever to the to, date you, know for,
shoot and you're just, like, oh, man don't screw, up
don't screw. Up and my whole point was, like you,

(01:37:24):
Know i'm not in the, match BUT i want to
be acknowledged during the, match but also doing a way
Where i'm not taking away from the. Match so there's
a plenty of times WHERE i knew WHERE i had
to position, myself not only for, myself but For ryan
because she had a, spot you, know towards the end

(01:37:45):
of the, match AND i had to kind of make
sure and not you know that she wasn't capable of
remembering kind of coach her along what stuff to. Do
where if you're watching me at rings and you kind
of see me side speaking out of the side of my,
match all, right you, know you know kind of you,
know coach her along and stuff like.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
That but it's, important you, know there's a lost art
to being like a manager or a second or a
valet in wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Because you gotta also be a part of the, match
but LIKE i, said not take away from the. Match
and then there's kind of a couple of times when
they're like near falls and stuff like, THAT i kind
of make it look LIKE i want to sneak into
the ring and be mischievous and and thank, god you
know you have law or on the on the, mic you,
know be able to pick up on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
THAT i guess you see. That and he hit the
blue me and he try and slide in the, ring you,
know stuff like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
That you, know He nefinitt got his licks in on
you on on on. Commentary he made sure to get
his licks in on you a.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Lot fine by.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Man it's like you, said say what you went, about
let me say spell my name right or you, know
just say my, name you, know say my, Name and
UH i made it a point for. HIM i was,
Like i'm not in this, match but they're going to
be saying my. Name and there's times WHERE i would
run by the announced table and just like you, know you,
know make a face at him like he's an idiot at,

(01:39:07):
ringside you, know or whatever's say my, name you know
so and AGAIN i tried to do it in a
way that didn't take away and uh, yeah just nerve
bundle of, nerves but good. Nerves and they always say,
like you, know if if you go you're about to
go to the ring and you don't feel like a
little bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Butterflies then there's something. Wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Man, yeah it doesn't mean you're you're, scared but it
means you care and you know stuff like. That, so
LIKE i, said, hometown, uh my, hometown biggest show of the,
year And i'm in a feature match for the one
of the major, Titles dinner kind of enough.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Title it's, awesome you, know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
And then you know later, on you, know the next,
night you, know we would be involved On raw on
a live, roll you, Know goldust First Road dog from
their on The, belt which you KNOW i had a hand,
in you, know the title changing hands next. Night So
i'm a part of that in they're kind of in
the continental, lineage so to, speak you. Know but on this,

(01:40:13):
night you, know LIKE i, said Super bowls in my,
Hometown I'm i'm on the. Team you, Know i'm getting.
THEM i might not be in the the uh you,
know The Philly, special But i'm, Uh i'm on the.
Line i'm on the on the line of the defense or,
offense whichever you. Prefer so you have to use the sports,

(01:40:34):
analogy you, KNOW I i was gonna make SURE i
made some kind of, impact.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Right that's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Dope you get to walk out there in your. Hometown
uh take part in this, Match Ryan, Shamrock, well they
had when they had this weird like was it the
tag team? Rules like you can tag in and out
of the? MATCHES i found kind of. WEIRD i.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
DIDN'TYLE i didn't like the concept of the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
MATCH i thought my mind should have, been, like you,
know like if every for himself in the match rolling,
around you, know why would you if you have the
uppard hand and you're you're just about to be the,
guy what why would you tag out that let somebody
come in and potentially, yeah you, know benefit from the
work you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Did you know this was was this was?

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Technical was this an elimination? Match it was Elimination so
it was like before the fatal four way concept really took,
over at least in W. W SO i thought that
was weird. TOO i noticed like they called it a
four corners, match like it the language was. Different SO
i guess that's how of. It you, know they wanted

(01:41:40):
to book, it but, uh you know that's how it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
WAS i did.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
FIVE i was, like, oh, yeah like it's never always
been the fatal four way because Now i'm so used to.
That it's like it's never always been a triple. Threat you,
know it used to be like three way elimination. Matches
that was like huge at EC. W i, know, like,
Uh Paul hayman did a lot of three way dance
elimination side matches and that's WHAT i. Liked even in W.

(01:42:04):
CW i think they kind of did that, Too so,
uh this was this was like, different you know looking,
back and my first thought was up it was a
fatal four, way but, no it's four corners elimination, match
which is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Different so, yeah no better.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
Though yeah that's now in a.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Way that just kind Of vents's way of getting everybody
a payday because you, know every now and then he
would throwing The Battle royal to make sure everybody got
to Spout mania. Show so how do we get more
guys on the card so they could get this? PAYOFF
I we'll do a four corners match and stuff like.
That so that's only LOGIC i get think that the
meaning on the card find a. Way hey, Man i'm not.

(01:42:43):
Complaining uh, Yeah i'm not. Complaining uh, Again i'm not
a big fan of you know four corners where you,
tagging and NOW i just did this spectacular. Move let
me tag out so that somebody else could pin, them,
right you know What i'm. Saying, so uh, Yeah i'm
not a big fan of, that But i'm a big
fan of the being On. WrestleMania so, right there's a

(01:43:06):
there's a fifty to fifty proposition in.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
There you're not gonna complain too much when you, know
when you're In, WrestleMania it's like four, corners you can
have eight. CORNERS i don't give a. Damn just put
me on in the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Car say my, Name.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Say my, Name say my name Like destney's, Child say my.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Name, man, absolutely, man they weren't on a rage, party you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Know Eventually Ryan shamrock grabs Gold dust leg by, accident
calls him lose and get, pinned and you and Gold
dust turn On Ryan, shamrock so you pretty much get your.
Wish as you, know the character bluemenis, like we Na
Ryan shamrock and it's just me And goldie moving.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Forward so, yeah, man AND i won his, affection you,
know A, HAHA i showed you And i'm just, like,
aha told, you told you she was no good and
she uh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Pried off into the, sunset and me and Old dust
may not have won BUT i want his. Affection so.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
It's, funny you, know because Gold, DUST i mean didn't
win the. Match Road dog won the, match retained the.
Title but in that, match me And goldusts were the
last two people on the screen, leading you, know throughout the.
Match so we didn't, win but we we kind of,
won but we didn't, win so you, know we were
the last two walking off screen as far as that

(01:44:25):
match was.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Concerned, Right what was it like when you got backstage
knowing THAT i just made an appearance At.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
WrestleMania it was kind of like you know when you
Said i'd be evaded raw a golf stage and you
kind of digest what just happened and get with all
the parties involved and say thank you and you, know
and just to go over what we just.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Did it wasn't we were we weren't you know too like,
okay you could have done this or. That it's just, like,
hey thank.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
You we made it through the, match and you, know
kind of went about our kind of talked about the
match for like a minute or two and then just.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Kind of just went our own ways AND i went
to the locker, room got.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
CHANGED i wanted to watch the rest of the, show
and LIKE i, said there's a point WHERE i got
changed and went up to the family's lounge and watched
some of the show from up, there and, then, uh you,
KNOW i don't want to seem LIKE i you, KNOW
i don't want to look LIKE i slid out the back,
Door SO i went back down in some FaceTime amongst
the boys in the office. SIDE i don't want by

(01:45:32):
going oh means matching and he, left you, know, no, no,
NO i just want to say hi to my, family
and then, Yeah i'm here, again so you show some
FaceTime in the locker. Room so uh, yeah it was
just you, know just a matter of you, know uh absorbing,
it digesting it and then, realizing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
You know how big of an ideal that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Was stuff like, that but also balancing checking on family,
upstairs make sure they're, okay and then come back down
and watch the rest of the, show WHICH i Think
i'm pretty SURE i watched.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
From, yeah THE tv locker.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Rooms you, know there's the main locker room where ever gets,
stressed and there's A tv locker room where they might
do a backstage promo and stuff like, that where they
got a monitor and stuff like. THAT i THINK i
found one of THE tv locker rooms where guys would
float in and out and watch and stuff like. That so,
YEAH i think there was a moment where the rock
can band and start watching watching some of the show

(01:46:26):
and and stuff like, that and then he got he
had to you, know powder off and get ready for
his match and stuff like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
That so, yeah that's, dope that's. Dope that's A WrestleMania
moment For bloom In. Philadelphia we'll kind of go through
the rest of the show a little, bit kind of
quickly here because they got get out of here. Soon.
Uh next to the, card you Got Triple hs And,
kane which will sound like a much bigger match, today
but there's just another match Of WrestleMania back in ninety. Nine,

(01:46:53):
kine of, course one of the newest inductees into the
W W hall Of Fame class of twenty well, deserve
definitely well. Deserved but before he gets into the, ring
he gets attacked by The San Diego chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Again panziana didn't take care of him for no selling
the uh.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Right but he comes out, again but this time it's
not The San Diego. Chicken It's Pete, Rose Charlie hessel
himself comes. Out he gets a tombstone for his. Troubles
this is second year in the row That Pete rose did.
This he did This WrestleMania. Fourteen he's making fun Of
boston and.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Trilogy they had their own, trilogy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
Right came up again the next, year right in two.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Thousands, yes He?

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Rose what a. Time Then lawla said That rose is so.
Loopy he was looking For Marge. Shot who nobody knows
Who March shot. Is look her. Up she's one of
the most racist sports owners of all. Time she Owned
Cincinnati reds back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
And whoa she was a.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
Doozy so. Uh but of course this match really leads
up To china turning On cane to seemingly we Joined TRIPLE.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
H and D.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
X but look not. Quite we'll get to that in a.
Second but how did this? Match? EN i Get tiple
Hit kane with a, chair hit him with a. PEDIGREE
i think somebody got disqualify to this match something like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
That there's another weird time when uh really didn't know
who the baby faces our heels. Were but you, know
Uh king should have been the babyface in this.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Match, uh you, know given that you, know you, Know
TRIPLE h has accidentally Shot china with the flame flower
and stuff like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
That and then Then china turns On kane and is the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
Cane also in the, corporation which is this big evil
corporation like.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
A, right so and then you know again ye shades of,
gray bro you, know where a little bit confusing who's the,
babyface who's the? Heel china turns On, kane But kane
should be the baby, face but he's part of a heel.
Faction and then later you, Know TRIPLE h and trying
to get this baby face pop for doing essentially what

(01:49:06):
they should get booed for doing, this you, know for,
reuniting but they should have been booed for turning On gain.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Exactly so, yeah it's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
And china hit came with the chair to toplete the
tern Got triple to, qualify but nobody remembers. THAT i
didn't even remember. THAT i had to look it up. Myself,
uh move. On Kevin kelly Interviews vince. McMahon he, Says
i'm gonna be the special guest referee and his only
Is vice mcman's. Voice can you do? It and it's
real deep and raspy. Voice then we move on to

(01:49:37):
the w W Women's. Championship we Got sable going Against.
TORY i didn't no idea That tory was The max
lady From No Way out two thousand and. ONE i
don't like we. Talked we Watched No Way out two
thousand and one a couple weeks, back and they had
this mass lady out, there AND i was, like who
the hell was that? Lady and now looked Up torri's.
Biles oh she was none of that Was. Torius so
how about? That uh this match was, rough like Special

(01:50:01):
stable And. Tory, yeah this match was a rough. Watch,
yeah this one was a hard.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Watch. Uh i'm pretty SURE i fits forwarded through.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
It, Uh But Nicle Nicle bas showed.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
Up the one big Thing hemales match Was Nicole bass's,
debut you know WHICH i always say any TIME i
think See Nicole, BASS i crack. UP i think At Joey,
styles he Goes They Joey styles would say they Called
Nicole Bass russia because she's so much bigger Than.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
China Uh, so, okay that's a good THING i have
to say about. That so, yeah next, match.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Next, match w W F European Championship shan McMahon defending
against X. Poc before the, match we had a promo
WITH dx looking like the one big happy family again.
Sigh because the match ends With Triple as turns On
xbox and join in the corporation With. China SO dx
is officially like disbanded, essentially even though Road dog And

(01:51:01):
billy going AN xpoc on the same, page but that's
not THE. X can't THE x Without TRIPLE h And
Shawm michaels come on And. China you can't have. That
SO i know that they said THAT xpok was a
product of the, streets AND i was, like, well is he?
Was he? Really and THEN i looked up into his,
background like oh, yeah he was like he had a
really rough. Childhood yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
He, did and thankfully For, Wrestling wrestling found him and
uh gave him a you, know gave him an, avenue you, know,
yeah kind of get off the streets and have a
really good. Life so, yeah he definitely had a rough,
childhood but uh, Yeah and LIKE i, said this was
like the part of the show WHERE i was up
in the family lounge and Watched TRIPLE h turn on x,

(01:51:44):
pot which it like you, said it's eventually pretty much
split the splinter.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
D x, right.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
And we get uh did that?

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Happening of?

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Course x poc just recently GOT i didn't find into
the W W hall Of. Fame he's elected lastest well
to be part Of lastyer's. Class but of COURSE i
didn't have him because of the. Pandemic he showed off
his dope shoes On twitter to them shows and shoes
was dope with the sixth ball on the. Back oh
those jones a. Fire so he got officially. INDUCTED i
think they had the ceremony like a couple of days,
ago SO i guess they were aired at some.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Point.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Uh, so congratulations To Sean. Waltman we're getting inducted into
the W W hall Of. Fame Uh but, yeah that
was this. MATCH i, mean we gotta look at The
Meme street. Posse those, Guys, YEAH i Love rodney And Peak.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Gassu yeah they're they're at ringside. TOO i always wonder what.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
Happened to the rest of the, posse but, uh you,
KNOW i don't. Know i'm still glad THAT i saw
A peak gas in my. Life he Was he's a
very good. Dude he mentioned me in his Book counting
The lights BECAUSE i was one of the guys who
actually helped him relax during the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Match you, know we had a back in the w
a back in the day W w would let you do.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Independence and we're on the match AND i he put
me in a in an armhold AND i reached in
my back and my my daisy duke pocket and flipped
in a pair of belly buck buck. TEETH i turned
around like aw and like he just start losing it
and he had to kind of like put his face

(01:53:15):
in the. Shirt so the next night we had a
rematch and he went out and found his own parents
tried to rip me. Back but he mentions in his
book it was like at that, MOMENT i learned that
you could have fun during the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Match and it wasn't really the.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Crowd it was between me and, him and the crowd
didn't really even pick up on, it but it was
like a moment between me and him where he was,
like that's WHY i learned to kind of like relax
during the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
Match and you, know you, know so it's pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Cool that's do shout out to Peak ah shout us
on a my street posse WHO i think was the
scariest fact in a W w, history because what's scarier
than three which white kids who are angry and, Aggressive,
like at least for, me it's scary for.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
Me but.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
Move on to the hell in its match between The
undertaker and The Big Boss. MAN i love this version
of The undertaker, personally this ministry of Darkness. UNDERTAKER i
know some people were like the magic Of badass version
better or the traditional, version but this, GUY i don't
know what it was about him being a super villain
that wanted to own THE, wwf what that was about

(01:54:20):
it THAT i liked him so, much BUT i loved
it for whatever. Reason but he knew there was going
public right. Undertake it wasn't. Stupid so of course this,
match the match itself was, forgettable but we talk about
the after the match with this. One when it comes
to the brood repelling down from the from the, rafters

(01:54:43):
hooking Up Big Boss man TO i, mean in reality
it's like a, harness but in storyline it's a. Noose,
Yeah and they Lunched Big Boss man in the middle
of the. Ring.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Yeah this is one of those moments where like you
want to have A WrestleMania, moment but you also don't
want to because basically they Hang Big Boss man in
the middle ring and then they could away and go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Well early on tonight he witnessed a, murder you killed.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
This Man michael's and Then cole goes well earlier in AND,
i and it's like we just totally forgot what we just.
Watched what you just what just, happened probably could have
could have ended a weekly show with and done, like
oh my, god well you leave people, hanging no pun.
Intended it's one of those THINGS i. HATED i you,

(01:55:38):
KNOW i love that, era but there's things like. That
he just makes you hate the eras as.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
Well and Like nick, said, Yeah Michael cole probably straight
from VisiC man's, mouth but out Of cole's mouth. Too
is it? Symbolic could it be? Symbolic it's like? Symbolic
what's symbolic about killing this? Man there's nothing symbolic body he's, dead.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Supposedly, man it's got a, family damn.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
It He could it be?

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
Symbolic what this revenge for? NAILS i don't. UNDERSTAND i don't, know,
man this was.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
Wild it's just Then i'm black And i'm, like every
TIME i see somebody get hanged or, Lynch i'm, like, oh,
LIKE i always get feel weird about. That you, know
because the country we've lived in for you, know our entire,
lives they've done stuff like that in the. Past so
this didn't have no racial overtones to, it but still
always makes me go get queasy WHEN i see that
news hanging down from the. Ring but is it? Symbolic

(01:56:32):
that's what everybody wants to. Know, yeah you want to
know If Big bosston is.

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
Alive, yeah you won't see it in one of Those
WrestleMania highlight packages Like wrestlia. Fifteen we saw, this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Saw the symbolic.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
Hanging it's something that you and so much was just
a throwaway.

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
Moment, yeah he was probably wrong the next, night yeah,
Right and.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Then like you, Said Menie colds go through a recap
with The Rage, Party.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
Like you gotta get that. Though the party recap so,
Embarrassing so my, god oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
God so now we move on to the main event
of the, evening move on from that. Embarrassment, yeah we're
pretty much here For we're here for the main event of,
COURSE Ww, Championship The rock Versus Steve. Austin When. Jr gets,
seated though before The master And. Jr get, seated we
see behind, him we see The rocks Mother otda and

(01:57:31):
his then wife now business Partner Danny garcia behind, him
who they've gone into some hello business, together including buying
THE xfl.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
So and then they got their own sitcom ON, Nbc,
Uh The Young rock and they're doing. Fantastic but talk about,
uh you, know you have a, relationship but it's more
successful after the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Marriage they're still.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
Together you, know that's a testament to, uh you, know
learning how to work with. People you, know even things
don't work, out you still find a way to work.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
Together, yeah especially when there's money involved, too that can
make things get. Uglier but yet it's blossomed into crazy
ventures that LIKE i, said they own a football league
Now Danny garcia a woman owning a football, league blazing
trails LIKE i, know The rock over someone he used
to trail blazing eyebrow, raising but shout out To dan
And garcia as. Well she's doing some things out. Here

(01:58:21):
Vince mickman comes out all jacked up ready to referee the,
match but he gets stopped By Sean. Michaels who was
a commissioner and apparently only the commissioner can appoint. Referees
did not know that was in the ww bylaws until,
THAT i mean, fifteen but now we, KNOW i. Don't
they don't have a commissioner these, days but back in
ninety nine they. Did and of course that referee Became

(01:58:44):
Yoda Mike, Yota.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Mike, kyota local product here of A jersey and LIKE i,
said gorilla man soon broke them into the business and
one of the best referees to ever lace up a
pair of.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
BOOTS i put it in the. Storyline why Would vince
McMahon make a degenerate Like Seawan michael is a commissioner
Like Shawn michaels is known for being a, degenerate like
that was his, character and he gives him.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
The responsibility he was in the. Corporation he thought he changed. Him,
yeah that's the only way that you can actually explain,
that because, yeah he's a. Degenerate he's going to turn
on the. Eventually But vince mcman so he go tesssed.
Theicle he didn't think that would.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Happen, well it probably, did but we get into the.
MATCH i, like how to rocket into the ring immediately
tried to Slack kyota in the. Face ALWAYS i thought
that was really. Funny and then we get to the
actual start of the, match WHICH i always thought this
was a great start to the, match where you got
the rock cutting Off Steve alson from going to the
next ring, post and he's like getting in his, way

(01:59:46):
getting in his, way and Then austin just like, okay
and they start throwing punches right then in there it's
like and we're. Off, yeah that's how you started.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Match that made so much sense because you, know, yah
one of the key things Of austin's entry just doing
the four, corners and these guys WERE i, mean these
two guys are number one starting quarterbacks for their opposing,
team so to, speak IF i could use that, analogy,
right so you, know uh, no you're not going to
cross this. Line and then they they start throwing, hands

(02:00:16):
they start off to you, know start throwing rounds and
brought you, know it's a it's a.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
Fight it's a. Fight everybody, paid you, know you, know
came to say paid to.

Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
C, yeah and they fight into the, stands which you
don't usually see in in the main event Of WrestleMania,
yeah fighting all over the, arena referees getting knocked, Out
kyota got hit by a, Chair Tim white replaces. Him
The rock Puts Tim white in the rock, Bottom i'm
tired of. You that brings out. Mcfoley. Uh The invince
McMahon comes out and he's in the full suit again

(02:00:48):
and he's we got like four three or four ref.
Bumps he knocks out of our. Heabner it's all all
hell is breaking loose in this. MATCH i thought multiple
ref bumps per match are only reserved for WS, w but,
nope we got him here in w W f. Two,
yeah but at the end of the, night we know the. Finish,
austin it's The. Sun it's a, stunner The, rock WHO
i think is the best seller of the stunner any

(02:01:10):
on the. Planet like he can do a backflip at
the hit taking a, stunner he does the big. Cell
austin pins him, one, two, three And austin is your
New World Wrestling Federation. Champion austin drinks a lot of,
beer shares some With Earl, heavener WHO i don't know
if you knew This, Meani it's Like Nick nick's least
favorite referee's Baby, Earl Baby earl exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:01:34):
Alone he's in the spotlight and like he wants that.
Spotlight it was like he's the, Champion.

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
Like, no because you, know he originally. Screwed he was
the you, know Screwed, Bread he Screwed. Hogan you, know
MAYBE i thought maybe had depl did the original screw
job with Whole koch and everybody thinks it was. Bread you,
Know earls on the.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
Take you, know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
Girl likes money and he likes. Beer so you, know
NOW i Love earl having their still friends with him
to this. Day him And, Dave dave worked behind the. Scenes,
uh you, know great, guys great.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Much. Great, yeah this match was really well.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
Done uh the level that it was done in levels you,
know false, finishes all that good, stuff and, uh you,
know this was like the first of The WrestleMania trilogies
and it was right there in The philadelphia and they
sent the you, know the fans.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
Home.

Speaker 3 (02:02:39):
Fans i'm, happy you, know especially you, Know doc and
Al vincent didn't go for another round.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
Of of a beer bash and stuff like.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
That what a great way to, End, Uh WrestleMania that
had peaks and, valleys had some, hits it had some,
misses but this was like an awesome era for you,
know W w as much as much as you, know
there's stuff that you scratching your. HEAD ww was good
at you, know having people, talk you know about the
PLoP and stuff like. That and this is one of

(02:03:08):
the most memorable you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
WrestleManias, yeah, yeah like you, said mainly because of this
main Event Steve austin and The, Rock, uh two of
the best of all. Time how are they far as
top guys in the locker? Room sometimes people get too
big for their, britches but how are these guys in
the locker room as far as top?

Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
Guys rock And austin were, Great, uh top, guys but
very approachable and and they're approachable in a way that you,
know WHEN i would see somebody who, was you, know
a big leaguer ago really you, Know i've shared locker
rooms With rock And, austin and you're, gonna you, know
try to big someone like.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
That you, know it's just like really a big league
than The rock who's got a television show right, Now
like you, said, yeah and like.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
You know you, can you, know you could just go
up and talk to them and then then just be.

Speaker 3 (02:03:56):
People you, know me And rock would talk about me
and me And Stone cold had you know history going
back TO ecw for a little, bit and, uh you
know for the short TIME i, was you, know we
shared the locker room in E. Cw but you, know
me and him get talked about heavy metal or. Whatever you,
know just because you're on the, road you're sharing you,
know when you go overseas or sharing tour buses and

(02:04:17):
stuff like, that and sharing locker rooms and you, know
seven days a week almost what it felt.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
Like, uh good, dudes great, guys and, uh you, know
definitely earned her earned or keep dude.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
Right i've always, heard let's flask forward to after the show.
Now i've always heard that there's like a post show
party That vince might throw. Somewhere was? That is that
a thing that happened on this? Night and not to
you don't want to obviously The volsny's secrets from you,
know people doing. Things but what was it like at
these posts wrestling your? Parties if you if you went.

Speaker 3 (02:04:52):
To that one on this, night imagine any wedding reception
and that was basically that a line at the cash
bar and you, know they're great. Catering but you, know
like there was always A WrestleMania post. Game uh well,
yeah after. Show and the best way to describe it

(02:05:13):
was like ever any you, know wedding. Reception you can
imagine ever going to where was it?

Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
That do you remember where it was in the.

Speaker 3 (02:05:19):
City it was at The this year was at The
Double Tree Center city and that was pretty much THE Tv,
hotel The WrestleMania hotel and stuff like.

Speaker 2 (02:05:28):
That so you had The Double. Tree, uh and it
was in the big ballroom, there, which.

Speaker 3 (02:05:33):
LIKE i, SAID i didn't get much of the perks
of you, know a getting put up in a nice
hotel because it was in my. Hometown but you KNOW
i did go to the after party at the hotel
AND i had a.

Speaker 2 (02:05:42):
Good, time you, know as you.

Speaker 4 (02:05:44):
Should it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:45):
Was it was cool to you, know you see everybody
who's up tight and stuff like that going into the
thing kind of let, loose having a couple Of adell
beverages and stuff like that and good, times good.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
Times all, Right, well let's put a bow on this
and get you out of your. Miani.

Speaker 2 (02:05:59):
Uh just you guys are having. Me thank, you, yeah
thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
Again think again for taking time, Out but what do
you what just kind of take us back to what
were your thoughts when you look back on this now twenty,
one twenty two years? Later, right twenty two years? Later, yeah,
YEAH i ask got real big deal WHEN i said.
That but what what do what runs throughr mind where
you think About wrestlmingia fifteen as you sit here, Today you,
know in twenty twenty, one.

Speaker 2 (02:06:21):
It was a it was a.

Speaker 3 (02:06:21):
Milestone you, know seems like everybody celebrates every five, years
moster on every five. Years and, UH i went to
the first couple Of WrestleMania's at a close. CIRCUIT i
went to four and five In Atlantic, city and, then you,
know a couple of years, Later i'm one A WrestleMania
and it's one not only it's A, WrestleMania but it's

(02:06:42):
one of.

Speaker 2 (02:06:42):
The first, twenty so to. Speak it is one of
the first.

Speaker 3 (02:06:46):
Fifteen you, know we're going up To WrestleMania thirty six
coming up, here AND i was part, of you, know
one of the first.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
Twenty so it's a very. Storybook you, know if you're
going to do a story of IF i was to
write a book in my, life don't move in my. Life,
no it definitely a, storybook you, know moment in my.
Life you can.

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