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320 1980s SCI-FI!
Eric catches us all up on the latest showing of the Connoisseur, and then the gang gets into their picks for '80s sci-fi flicks!
Also discussed: Sinners, The Last of Us, Wrestlemania 9: Becoming a Spectacle.

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I can't imagine you forcing everybody to do a
Shakespeare film.
Oh, I'm sorry, did I break yourconcentration
somewhere between science and asuperstition. I

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I have such sights to show you.
Strange eons. Welcome tostrangeeons radio. That is Eric
over there, hello, and that isVanessa over there, hello, and I
am Kelly. Hey guys, always apleasure to see you. Always

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a highlight when we gettogether. Highlight of whatever
week, month, whatever. Whatmonth is it?
I don't know, coming up oncrypto gun. So it's got to be
May,spring. We're in the spring,
okay, Eric, I know that theconnoisseur just showed this
week?
Yeah, we had a fun invitescreening, not something we sent
in for the Seattle Film Society,which is a group that's been

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around for a couple years now,trying to generate like we've
heard time and time again, andI'm sure you have to why doesn't
Seattle get together more intheir film industry and work
together. Yeah, they had thescreening at Northwest film
forum. It was a sellout. Wescreened with in domestic
tranquility, by Chem QM consbubblegum, by Celestine ocean

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and bench October, by Arijacarien. I'm trying to say his
last name. Sorry, dude, I knowyou're not listening anyway, so,
but so we're, there's fourshorts, about 45 minutes, and
we're a hit, man, huge hit. Oh,wow. It's one of those things,
right? I read the descriptionsof these four, they and they're,

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they read really dramatic.
They're not executed so much.
There's more fun in them thanthey read. But read, I'm going.
How the hell are we fitting inwith an apocalyptic song,
something about finding out yourmother who's missing and a
romantic couple that's having ahard time in Mexico City. How do
we fit in with that? Yeah, well,we really didn't, but it looked

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great, it sounded great, and thereaction was hilarious. Like
I've said before, my favoritemoment is listening for those
people who, as soon as thebottle thing starts, they're
going, what had? A bunch ofthose had like, laugh snorts.

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It was progressing.
And the Q and A afterwards waskind of fun too, because people
had so much fun with the shortthat when somebody asked a real
heavy question, like, what wasyour inspiration for your
characters? How did you developyour character for their for the
short? What did you tell youractors and stuff? I'm like,

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well, nothing, really.
I did say you had a couplepeople the audience, that came
up with a story, like, they'regoing to take the connoisseur
home with them and andbasically, you know, I explained
that I'd work with JD oneverything, probably everything
I've shot, and the DP new issue,and we just, you know, just went
in and had fun. So, okay, butwhen that question was asked,

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everybody looked to be like,Okay, three film makes next go.
We'll let you go last Sure. Butthen there was a lot of that, a
lot of goodfun. The guy running it did a
great job, uh,putting it through. They are
gutsy. The unfortunately, Ican't make it because it's

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right, like cryptocon time, butI want to, I'm curious to try
this one night, to go to anevent where the, basically
anybody can bring anythingunder, like, 10 minutes, I
think, and they'll just play it.
Oh, I'm like, this could be justfascinating to see what kind of
weirdness goes and I figuremaybe I'll go and I'll just

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bring the package and playsomething abstract, but like
that should be weird, but greatgroup, lots of fun. And I'll be
actually meeting with themafterwards, talking about
Northwest film, because Crypton,on Friday, the first weekend in
May, has six plus hours ofNorthwest filmmaker short films.

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Oh, cool. So it's like, yeah, wehave like, 80 filming. You have
how many filmmakers? Let's meet.
I was like, Okay, dothat is very cool. Remind me
next episode, I want to talkabout some of the the stuff that
Seattle is not doing correctly,as far as putting together some
kind of film program that wouldactually benefit anybody wanting

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to make a film here. Yeah.
Man, that's a conversation.
That's why I didn't wantto do it right after this
lovely, positive conversation.
Super fair, super fair.
Really, really happy to hear allof that stuff. Do we have
another showing of theconnoisseur

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College of all this? But youknow, my listeners know that
when we first submitted, we wenton a great run, got into almost
everything we have not gotteninto the last eight films that
we have that are on the listtime wise. So So I think, yeah,
I think we're nearing a timewhere we'll probably be posting
it on YouTube. I want to doublecheck to make sure we don't have

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any open festivals we're waitingfor. But I don't think we do.
Okay, then we'll post it to ourstrangeeons TV on Youtube
television, and let you allknow.
Well, you know, this is a prettygood run. We shout this time
last year.
Yeah, it did really. It didgreat on festivals. Yeah, if it,
if it had been sporadic, likeone on, one off, it wouldn't

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have seemed so weird. But nonewas really strange.
She always is weird like that,though. Like, I remember with
one of my shorts, it got intolike one thing, and then
nothing, and then one thing, andthen all of a sudden, like, five
festivals picked it up becausethey had seen it at the one
festival played at Yeah, andthen nothing after that. So you
just Yeah, you never know. It'ssuch a weird Yeah, that's

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awesome, though. Did you everfind out how they found you and
how they found this film? Oh, myGod,
one of the locals we screenedat, I don't know.
Yeah, that's so cool. Well, verycool. Okay, let's talk about
some stuff we have seen thislast week. I don't know if you

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guys noticed. Cared The Last ofUs started
up. I have been avoiding it likethe plague because I played the
game. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Well,so you know, there's a big thing
that happens in Last of Us too,and it happened in the second
episode, and I was already kindof struggling in the first two
episodes, yeah, but when thishappened, I was like, I don't

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know if I want to watch thisanymore. Now, I don't, I don't
even know. It's not really aspoiler. It's in all of the
stuff. So Pedro Pascal is killedin the second episode, and and
at first I was like, Oh, well,we'll see his finger twitching
or something. And then as Iwatched him dragging her off and

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him just lying there with hiseyes open and blood pulling
around him, I was like, Oh, Ithink he's actually dead. And
then I went online and found outthat, yeah, he does die in this
second game, yeah, but he is, Igotta admit, the draw for me,
yeah, to this series. Otherwiseit's just the walking dead again
with with mushroom zombies, andI'm just not sure I need

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another. This is a dark,depressing show, and without the
bond of those two characters,I'm, like, I don't really think
there's anything to keep mewatching. We'll see Yeah, but I
was, I was really bummed and andhappy because, like I said, I

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want every show that I like tostop being good so I can stop
watching. Man,yeah, that was my big worry. So
I played the first game all theway through the second game, I
got to that part, and I was somad. I don't know how it happens
in the show, but in the game,it's so brutal. Like, you know,
he's not coming back. There'slike, nothing of him left when

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this chick is done with them.
And I was like, I don't want tospend the rest of this game, I
know they're gonna try to givesome redemption arc to this
person who's murdered. And I waslike, I don't want to do it. And
I played for several, several,several more hours. And it was
fine, but eventually I juststopped playing, because I was

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like, you play the Pedro Pascalpart in the game. Well, you
play, you switch between thecharacters a little bit, and
then in the second one, you'repretty much fully playing as
Ellie, yeah. Oh, that's, that'sinteresting, yeah. And it's much
more her, like, coming ofpersonhood, because she's, you
know, having her relationship,and she's figuring that out, and

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she has this mission where shehas to go across. And so she's
in Seattle a bunch, so you getto, like, go around on a horse
with your girlfriend throughCapitol Hill. And that's fun,
but that'll be in the they'vementioned Seattle twice in the
show now. So I was like, that'sinteresting. And so maybe they
will be, I hopeso. It'd be really cool, because
they did remake a lot of it,like the the downtown corridor

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and everything is really fun togo around when it's covered in
grass and everything. But yeah,I I've been really, I worried
about watching this show,because I'm like, Man, people
don't even know. People evenknow what's gonna happen. Oh my
god. Season two, everybody lovesPedro Pascal. Oh god. Oh god. So
yeah. The other directionI've seen online has not been

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particularly favorable, but,yeah, I mean, that's like, like,
mentioned the walking dead. Iwatched a lot longer than you
do. I did, I know, but at onepoint they killed, I think it
was Carl, they killed off. Andit was incredibly pointless and
stupid and just obviouslyinserted, because we haven't
killed the main character offrecently enough. It was so
poorly real. His son, yeah, andDana and I were, like, barely

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holding on to this show as itis. And this is such an obvious
ploy,yeah, because I remember they
everyone was shocked when theykilled. Was it? Glen?
Yeah, that was it, which was anincredibly
intense, dark episode, yeah,and really, for the comics,

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though, too, exactly. That'sthe part I found so frustrating.
I was in the exact samesituation again because I had
read The Walking Dead andwatched the first season. I was
like, I can't watch the show.
I've read the comics. It's justnot working for me. And then my
best friend was like, Youwouldn't believe what happened.
And I was like that, I would betI would know exactly what

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happened. Did it involve a bat?
Does somebody's eye pop out? Iwonder?
Yeah, well, so The Last of Us isback. It's on HBO, Max,
excellent. Well, I checked out acouple of films in theaters, so
I'll talk about the first one.
Alex Garland has another warfilm out called warfare.

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Totally missed this one comingout? Yeah, it's
a really it's a much smallerstory. It follows when the
Middle East conflicts where it'sjust seen through. I think he co
directed it with a guy from themilitary, and it was an incident
that that happened to this guyand his unit. And it's just like

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a story of maybe not even 24hours in length, as close as
possibly can be resembling towhat they remember. Yeah, and
it's, it's pretty it's prettygood. It's, I mean, it's a, I
don't know, it's not a funwatch, you know, but I think
they do a really good job oftrying to make a war story as

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accurate and undramatized but asupsettingly true to what's
happening is as possible. So,yeah, I don't know. I'm glad I
checked it out. Nice littlestory. Is this a period piece?
What war? Yeah, this is like inthe what war was it called? When
we went in 2000 to 2001 it was,yeah, it was after golf, the

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Iraqi conflict. I don't know itwas after 911 storm, no desert
storms in the 80s. So, yeah,it's whatever Middle East
conflict we call it, after that.
Waita second, was there a conflict
in the Middle East that doesn'tsound like the Middle East.
What America going to a desert?
God how unlikely warfarewas. This in theaters. It's

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still in theaters. Okay, I'venever even heard of this. Yeah,
once you mentioned the realityone, it's like, I remember
reading a little bitabout it, yeah, yeah. It's got
some really good people in it.
I'm trying to remember theirnames, but now I can't, of
course, but, yeah, it's, it'sgot some, some really solid
acting, and it's nice, becauseit doesn't really take a side,

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it's more, hey, this thinghappens these guys, you know,
they go into this, this house,they take over the House, and
they set up basically a spotwhere they can snipe and spy on
some activity in this reallysmall town in the middle of
nowhere. And turns out thateveryone knows they're there and

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start attacking them, andsomebody gets injured, and then
they try to evac, and theycan't. More people get injured.
And it's like, how do you dealwith being trapped in the corner
of this small town, surroundedon all sides by people like
throwing missiles at you,constantly with wounded, and
also trying to get a unit tocome out to you, and they won't

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come out to you because ofwhat's happening, you know. And
just all the really good sounddesign, where, like, just every
time something really loudoccurs, like everyone kind of
gets that shell shock thingwhere they just get really still
and, like, confused for aminute. And it's kind of nice,
because it's not likeinsinuating anything. It's just

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like the reality of, like, yourbrain got really rattled and
you're really confused andyou're really good at your job,
but not right now you're not. Soyeah, okay, yeah. So if you want
a break from entertainment orfantasy, check this out.
Perfect.
Anyways,take you far away from that too.

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A thing that came up, I think itwas, I. I don't remember where
it was, Hulu. One of those like,Well, this sounds bizarre and
weird. What the hellWrestleMania nine becoming a
spectacle? This is the story ofthe first WrestleMania that took
place in Las Vegas early 90s,and the first one where they

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really decided to turn it into ashow, as opposed to wrestling,
where they had some of thepeople riding in on animals, and
they had this big, giant thingthey built up. And of course,
it's Vegas, so they had dancinggirls, and they had just crazy
shit everywhere. And Hulk Hogancame out of retirement for this

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one, and pissed off Brett Hartfor the rest of his career when
he was supposed to win. And thenHulk came back. So not telling
him, they said, No, Hulk justback to win the tag team or some
shit like that. But then he camein at the end and rescues Bret
Hart and gets the overall title.

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So they're interviewing BretHart, and he's like, yeah,
here's the conversation where Ifound out the knife is stuck in
my back. He was brutalized foryears after that, for a long,
long time. But it's kind of aninteresting show. That's just, I
mean, I haven't watched wrestlelike for 20 years. I was really

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my my big peak was actually theattitude area, with the rock and
stone gold stuff like that. Butobviously, you know who these
wrestlers are, if you were alivein the 80s. So it was kind of
interesting, weird little tidbitin it, one of the guys who was
an usher for the casino Caesarsis now the CEO, or the head of

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WrestleMania. Wow. There he isin the background, walking
around. Well, that's weird. Soif you're into that stuff, it is
interesting, and it's fun towatch. For me, it's like a
sports documentary, you know,it's just so it's worth seeing
if you love Russell wrestling.
So this is in the 90s, but thedocumentary is brand new. It's

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brandnew. They the this big sticking
point was they never allowedcameras backstage before. And
this one, they decided, we'redoing so much we need to
document. We're going to havecameras behind and like
the the grave guy, thethe guy who never lost a
WrestleMania or something likethat, one of their biggest

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wrestlers ever, but he was his,God damn, what's his name,
Tombstone, I think is hisfinishing was
that the grave digger orsomething? No, that was a
monster truck, Yeah,same thing. I thought of
everybody watching. This isgoing, Jesus Christ,
yeah. But his manager was PaulBearer, exactly.

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But he was him watching thecamera guy was camera guy should
run. They're all like, why areyou back here? What do you? What
do you? What do you? What areyou feeling? Why are you doing?
Guess it was so there are a lotof aspects of it that make it
very interesting, way beyond ifyou like wrestling or not, I
guess, if you think about it, soWow.

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Sorry, Matt, if you'relistening.
That's so fascinating. I was nota part of the culture until,
basically, I don't know, 10years ago, some friends of mine
were like, you're coming to anindie wrestling event in
Seattle. I'm like, What thefuck? And they're like, Yeah,
this little town hall, you'regonna watch these cuts wrestle.
I'm like, okay, and that's likeeight of those mostly being

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dragged. But it's fun.
They are. They're crazy fun.
It's a small place, so you'relike, right there, yeah, it's a
lotof fun, yeah? But it culturally,
it's so fascinating. This likeweird thing that we as a people
decided to get into soap operaswith human bodies. And

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that is called Wrestlemania.
Nine becoming a spectacle onHulu. I think he said
Hulu, one of those kind of guysthat sounds Undertaker.
Okay, well, I'm sure you guysall watched it. Daredevil
wrapped up at season. Yes, and Iwas, I really loved this season,

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yeah, so well, except that itended, you were telling me it
was supposed to hang yourelement 18 episodes originally.
Yeah,okay. Well, I I only told you
that just now, so this is on youwell. But
I also was like, holy cow, yeah,I can't wait for this next
episode. And then I was lookingat it, and it was like, Oh, this

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is a total run time.
I kind of thought it was a oneoff. I hadn't really heard much
about whether it's continue, howmany episodes. So when it hit
the end of going, there must beanother season coming. And there
is, yeah.
I had a similar experience whereit It was part way through
episodes like this feels a lotlike an end of Season Episode.

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There's a lotto wrap up if they're gonna
finish it here. Yeah,yeah. Well, I really loved it. I
think Charlie Cox is justfucking nailing it.
And, of course,Wilson Fisk, oh my gosh, after I
can't remember, right? Fino,pia, Marino, have you say his
last name? Yeah? For now,DOnofrio, yeah, Dina, for you.

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So good. Yeah. I mean, you knowyou want him to be comic
accurate, so you want him to beabout twice as wide. But he's so
good, and he's brought so muchdepth to this character that I
thought was, you know, kind of aa one note character in the
comic book. So I just wasreally, really pleased with
everything. I'vebeen reading a run of Daredevil,

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and his voice is now in my headwhen I read Kingpin.
Unfortunately, the guy doingDaredevil's voice isn't quite
distinctive enough to push in.
But boy,man, he he has made a life form
out of his performance. It'sincredible. It's really

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incredible.
And that scene with the Punisherand daredevils place, yeah. I
mean, you know, the blood, atleast, was computer effects, but
it was so stylized, I thought itwas really cool, even though,
yeah, I know, but it lookedcool.
So I also love, like, during thefight for their lives, Matt

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Daredevil just getting angry andangry because Punisher just
killing everybody, screaming athim to stop while he's also
trying to fight these guyswithout killing them. And I was
like, this is they've made sucha nice a nice group of
characters who conflict so wellwith each other. But you
understand why Punisher andDaredevil are kind of working

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together, yeah, even thoughthey're at total opposite ends
of the Justice part. And, yeah,I was, I was like, this is
really, really compellingtelevision. I can't imagine
Thunderbolts is going to capturemy attention, like this season
of Daredevil. God, no,not. But you know, it'll be fine

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to eat popcorn too, for like,two hours or whatever. Yeah.
I mean, the like how we talkedlong ago with Shang Zhang Zhi,
the martial artist, the 70smartial artist guy movie, where
it's like, some of thesecharacters do not need to fight
Galactus, right? Thesecharacters need to be street

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fighters, yeah, and Daredevilbelongs in Hell's Kitchen. Well,
it did then make me go, okay,while all of this is going on,
while the Kingpin is takingover, you know, obviously we
can't afford to have spider man.
He's not even mentioned. Butwhat about what happened to Luke
Cage? What happened to MoonKnight? I didn't
know we might be seeing those inthe next season. That's what I
was wondering.
Felt like it seems like he's ata point where he wants to reach

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out for help, but he's not goingto. And then with Punisher
coming along, doing what hedoes, he maybe he's like, maybe
I need some like minded peopleon my side. And I think there's
also going to be an insinuation,because I've heard some comics
that overlap with thisstoryline. I think there's some
insinuation that Fisk is goingto be locking people up. So

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while we might not have seenthose specific people in cages
in that last episode, theremight be this sort of people
coming out of the woodworkbecause they're getting rounded
up. And yeah, you know they needto band together. Fit in
what they're doing with Fisk onthe storyline,
yeah, yeah, 100% and since hetook over the bar or whatever,

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and it's starting the movementGod watching Fisk uses hands to
murder people is like the mostupsetting image I cannot get out
of My head. I was like, oh,cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah,
okay, that's Daredevil. It'scalled Born again. It's on
Disney plus, but all the seasonsof Daredevil on Disney plus. So

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do yourself favor. They're allpretty good. Yes,
speaking of pretty good. I sawsinners. Yeah, dude, I don't
even want to, I want to tell youas little as humanly possible
about this, other than sayinglike it it was different. It was

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a different take on I think wecan all admit it's a it's a
vampire movie, and he just hehad an idea in his head, and he
took it into a place. And Idon't know if it's a perfect
film, but I will say like it'spretty harrowing. There's some
incredible scenes where theyspend a lot of time talking

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about folklore. And talkingabout this idea of music
breaking barriers and how theyvisually showcase that as
man, you guys see thismovie, it's a good movie. They
do a good job, and you don'tspend any time being like, why

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is Michael B Jordan a twin? It'slike, it just it works. It just
works really well. SoI think almost more interesting
is all the behind the scenesstuff going on with this film.
What's the behind the scenesstuff? So the director's name is
Ryan Coogler. Coogler, he camein and basically made a deal
with, I think it's paramount, isthat who put the Do you know, I

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don't, whatever deal he made iskind of shaken up the industry,
because after, I believe, 15years, all rights revert back to
him for the film, he had FinalCut and something else on there
that was, like unheard of for anend. He had, you know, a big

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budget. So he got every hebasically came in and said, I'll
make this movie for you guys.
These are my terms. And theysaid, okay, and the rest of the
studios are going, What the fuckare you doing?
Yeah, maybe that's why thatthere was the controversy with
that weird headline that varietydid, where it sort of tried to
make it sound like it didn'thave a good opening, but it says

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its budget, but it had aphenomenal opening, really
weirdly worded headline.
I think I saw somebody tweetabout it. I think what's his
name? From the Mandalorian, thecreator, yeah.
It's yeah, because it's doingphenomenally well. He's making
them a lot of money. I don'tknow what the budget was, but it

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couldn't have been crazy. Crazy.
I mean, it's,it's yeah, it's not like a
powerful movie,yeah. Like, there's some special
effects, but not a ton, but youcan tell he had artistic
license, because the choice is,like, you don't see the horror
kick off for at least half themovie, because there's a lot of
setting stuff up, which you needin a film for you to care about

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what happens in it. So yeah, andthere's just, yeah, there's some
truly weird but interestingthings going on in it. So I
don't know it's I'm glad good.
Even more more this shit, yeah.
More more telling the people whoare giving you money, like, why
you should have it and let youjust do your fucking thing, why

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you should give money to artistsand let artists be freaking
artists. Yeah, not the MBAsaying, Hey, this is how, you
know,go away. Just hire the people
because you thought they wereawesome and you want to see them
do their awesome thing the end.
You know, it's not that, it'snot that complicated. But, yeah,
I want you guys to check thisout so we can so we can talk

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more about it, but I want you tohave a good, good time. Good, go
see it. I'm not gonna giveanything weird away. Okay, good.
I don't know.
I'm stoked.
Okay, so I watched a TV showthat fits very little of those

(28:22):
things. It's actually a re watchfor me. That's right, I watched
the whole thing throughoriginally I'm watching again,
Psych TV show about a fake,super observant, but fake guy,
pretend or fake psychic,pretending to be psychic and
working with the cops.
Oh, is that what that is about?
Yeah, I was honored. I neverknew what this show was about.

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It'spure silliness. It is a lot of
fun. The two leads have aridiculously good time, and it's
total light hearted silliness.
That sounds great, and it's somuch fun to watch right now
because there's no heavy handedanything. They're not trying to

(29:06):
do this or that or any crap likethat. It has I also like it
because it needs deep into nerdthem. I don't remember what
episode it was, but firstseason, last one, they go to a
sci fi convention, and GeorgeTakei is the guest of honor,
who's all pissed off because hedidn't get the right kind of

(29:27):
blueberries. And so there, andone of the guys is a huge fan of
the artist there and complainsabout how the artist got screwed
over by the big studio companiestaking his project and ruining
it. But it's just fun and geeky.
They also celebrate Halloween,like very few shows do, their
Halloween episodes are alwaysridiculous, and whenever they

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get scared, they do these stupidlittle screams and they run
away. And it's stupid andhilarious that is scrolling
through their Instagram and theyhad. A, somebody put together a
highlight reel of all the timesthey scream and run, and it's
like, this is just, it's justfun,
and it's a, I think it's Amazon.

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But are you watching it toescape turbulent times?
It's a good show for that. Yeah,does the other guy know that the
the one is faking it. Okay?
They're childhood friends.
They've known each other sincethey're, like, seven or eight
years old, okay? And, yeah, he'swell aware of what he's doing
and constantly kind of annoyed.

(30:32):
But also seems like I just, I'vegot to see what's going to
happen when he does this. Sodoula Hill. I can't remember the
little you guys name, but thatguy was also, he's in West Wing,
yeah, yeah, it's got the lead,yeah, the other leads name, but
I did see an audition he did forit. I'm like, Yeah, that's the

(30:52):
character he ends up playing,already personified and
perfected in his audition play.
No wonder you got that part,dude. No,
maybe I gotta watch Psych. Man,I need something to now that
Daredevil is done, I ain't gonnawatch The Last of Us. I'll tell
you whatI mean, I will, but I don't
fucking wannaknow. You don't have to. There's
so much shit out there to watchthat's

(31:15):
true. I haven't even watched wasis and or Season Two out now it
is,I think it is, yeah, I've been
seeing stuff about it beingpretty intense and heavy. Yeah,
probablyre watch season one. I don't
remember what the hell happened.
Well, Imade the mistake they have a 15
minute like,and I made the mistake of not
watching that, and I justwatched and they dropped the

(31:36):
first three episodes, and I'mlike, I don't remember who
anybody is. But this is reallyinteresting. I'll be as
surprised as they are whensomebody clips sides or
something. Okay, cool. Well, whydon't we take a little break,
you guys, and then when we comeback, we are talking about 80
science fiction youit is a world transform where

(32:09):
things are not what they see. Itis the world of the transformer.
Transformers more than meets theeyes. Autobots place their panel
to destroy theevil forces of the Decepticons.

(32:32):
Transformers, the transformers,the Transformers from Marvel
Comics, thewe have returned. Some of us
have returned.

(32:52):
Vanessa, you with us? I got anenergy drink. I'm good to go.
Okay, so this was my topicchoice. And I thought I wanted
to get into science fiction, butit had to be science fiction
films from the 80s. And withthat, I chose right at the
beginning of the 80s, 1981 alittle movie called Outland. You

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in a mining town on the secondmoon of Jupiter,
something deadly is happening. Ivery soon, we'll see that this
is just like every other miningtown. I work these people hard,

(33:48):
and I let them play hard.
There's never much trouble.
We're all professionals. I'msure we are. We've only been
here two weeks. It'll get thetime, I promise.
I got nothing more on thatincident the mine yesterday. It

(34:09):
looks like some guy just wantwhacko.
It happens here. How often? Idon't know what just happens
here. What?
I'm not a psychiatrist. I can'ttell you why. Some
people just can't take it hereafter a while, no way it could

(34:29):
have been homicide. Had to havebeen a suicide.
28 in the last six months. Didyou do autopsy?
No. Then, how do you know?
Susan,there's no other explanation.
When a person exposes himself tozero pressure atmosphere, there

(34:52):
isn't a whole lot left to lose.
Something, sir, maybe I. Tryand meddle. I want you to know
what you're meddling with. Howdo you lead dealing with grown
upshere? Bingo, Marshall, you're

(35:16):
dead. You're the kind of guyyou're supposed to be,
you wouldn't stick around.
That's why they sent you here.
Maybe they made a mistake. Youthe ultimate enemy is still,

(35:52):
man. Youguys seen Outland, no, but I saw
a trailer for it. Lookedbonkers. It's
pretty good. Written anddirected by Peter Hyams, who has
done Capricorn, one the starchamber, Eric running scared,
time cop, end of days. And itstars Sean Connery, who you

(36:13):
might know from rising sun, TheHunt for Red October Highlander,
the untouchables, Indiana Jones,The Last Crusade. And six movies
that feature him as double Oh,seven James Bond, the first
James Bond, also in this isFrancis stern Hagen, who is a
character actress you would knowon site, tons of television

(36:34):
films such as Bright Lights, BigCity, communion, misery, golden
years, raising Kane the mist,and 21 episodes of er, Oh, nice.
I never watched, er, great show.
How. Also in this is PeterBoyle, who you'd know from Joe
Young Frankenstein taxi driver,Johnny dangerously Malcolm X the
shadow, and an amazing singleepisode of The X Files. Oh,

(36:57):
yeah. And then in this is JamesSicking, John Ratzenberger,
Stuart Milligan and KikaMarkham.
This is a reallyweird movie Outland in the
distant future. Mankind ismining, or from IO, one of
Jupiter's moons, Io is volcanic,and conditions there are pretty

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difficult. There's no breathableatmosphere, and miners are in
cumbersome, atmospheric worksuits. Shifts are long, but
significant bonuses are paid toboost production. When our story
starts, we are introduced tothree miners who are working one
of the shafts. Two of them arechatted up with each other, but
the third is kind of off byhimself, and we can see he is
struggling some kind of mentaltrouble. He starts tweaking out

(37:44):
and screaming that there arespiders all over him. And his
two other friends are kind oflackadaisical about it. They
continue their work, and they'relike, there's no spiders,
there's no atmosphere. Get overit and all that. But they think
maybe he's just fucking aroundwith them. Then he yanks out his
air hose and his suitdecompresses and turns him into
jelly inside of it. Oh, so fromhere, we're introduced to our

(38:07):
protagonist, federal marshalWilliam T O'Neill, who's just
been assigned to a one year tourof duty at the mining facility.
He's a good cop, but his wifereally hates his work, which
apparently takes them all overthe place. They don't really
elaborate on that, except forthe fact that they have a son
who's about 10, and in a fightwith her husband, she lets us

(38:27):
know that the kid has never evenbeen to Earth. So I'm like, Oh,
where are they traveling from?
That never, never really told,but it's an interesting comment.
Uh, shortly after the moviestarts, she leaves O'Neill on IO
and takes her kid back to Earthand pleading for him to join
them. Well, O'Neill is kind of astubborn son of a bitch, and he

(38:50):
thinks there's something more tothe death of the minor at the
beginning, and with thereluctant help of Dr Lazarus, he
starts an investigation thatshows that several miners over
the last year have gone a littlenutty on the IO mining base and
have killed themselves, oftentaking others with them. The
base is set up kind of like aold style, old western mining

(39:12):
town. So it has a restaurant anda bar and sex workers and all
sorts of stuff, and under thenew leadership of Shepherd, the
head of the mining company IOproductivity has broken all
previous records with Lazarus onhis side. O'Neill discovers that
the dead miners all have onething in common, a lethal
amphetamine type drug in theirbloodstream. And pretty quickly,

(39:34):
he discovers a drug ring todistribute the drug to the
miners, run by Shepherd andeffectively sanctioned by the
mining company. When heconfronts Shepherd, the
administrator informs him thatnobody wants a drug shipment
stopped. Production is up. Theworkers are happy, and the
corporation is happy. Neil vowsto expose the entire thing, and
that's when all this stuffstarts happening. This is

(39:54):
basically a remake of high noon,and there's a shuttle of a
seven. Essence, basically comingto take him out. And he knows
this, and so he's reaching outto the other people on the mine
base, saying, anyone gonna helpme and stand with me? And
they're like, you're supposed tobe taking care of us. So it's a
really it's a really good movie.
I'm gonna run out of time onthis one. I remember having a

(40:15):
really hard time with this whenit first came out because I
wanted lasers or aliens orsomething. But I've become a fan
of westerns, and watching this,I was like, this is pretty dang
good, and Sean Connery isfucking great. It also fits in
with the technology of otherfilms at the time. So you can,
you can imagine that theNostromo was out there at the

(40:36):
same time doing their thing, andthat on Earth, Harrison Ford is
fighting replicants and all thisstuff. So a little bit of trivia
here, and I'm gonna go overbecause this is interesting
stuff. Yeah, it's fine. The filmwas hugely thanks. The film was
hugely influenced by alien interms of style and tone. The

(40:57):
films even have the same musiccomposer Jeremy Jerry,
Goldsmith, however, Outland, inturn, was then highly
influential on James Cameron'saliens, which came out five
years later. Both films depict acolony on a distant moon, which
are very similar in design, andthe pulse noise of the computer
screens from Outland wasappropriated for aliens, and

(41:20):
later alien three. The moviedraws on the Gary Cooper classic
High Noon from 1952 killers areon their way to kill the marshal
who finds herself abandoned byhis deputies and with none of
the residents willing to standwith him. In fact, as arrival
time approaches, Sean Conneryenters a public facility in high
noon, it was a saloon, and hespeaks to the townspeople,

(41:43):
repeating the classic Cooperline, I could use a little help,
and receiving none. In onescene, the planet Jupiter is
seen in the background with itsthin ice ring surrounding the
planet. At the time the moviewas made in 81 the existence of
Jupiter's ice ring wasrelatively new knowledge. It had
been discovered only two yearsbefore when Voyager One Flew by

(42:04):
the planet. And then finally,writer director Peter Hyams
handled the cinematography formost of this movie, while Steven
Goldblatt usually worked whenthere was something hims did not
know how to do. Goldblatt wasmisleadingly hired by hayems,
who really wanted him to standaside, to do nothing, and to use
him as a scapegoat for the ladcompany in case anything went

(42:26):
wrong. Well, while using the newintro vision process, oh my god,
goblat was furious at being liedto and wouldn't have taken the
job if he'd known highamsintentions, but stayed in order
to learn how to use introvision, and because, as a young
cinematographer with a soleprior feature credit, quitting
the movie could have ruined hiscareer. It is the only one of
his movies whose rap party heskipped completely. Wow,

(42:54):
always been shitty.
Intro vision is that I didn'trecognize it so and there's
nothing really ground butgroundbreaking about the film in
81 the the effects are not up tothe quality of empire strikes
back a year earlier, or anythinglike that. Like, is

(43:16):
this just a lens they use?
But it is a cool movie. I mean,I watched it this time, and I
was like, boy, when I was a kid,I needed a lot of action, and
this is a lot of characterdevelopment and kind of a
mystery. So that's goodto know, because, yeah, the
trailer did not give it a lot ofoomph, and that's part of the
reason why is less interesting.

(43:39):
Because I was like, Oh, I don'tknow, it just looks maybe a
little boring.
It's not well reviewed, either.
But I think I liked it justbecause Sean Connery is great,
and Francis stern and Hagan isgreat, and they act really well
off each other, and then PeterBoyle is super interesting as a
bad guy.

(43:59):
That's cool, yeah. And I lovehigh note, so yeah.
And where did you watch thisone? I think it's on. Brian,
okay.
All right. Vanessa, you want togo Sure? Five minutes. All
right. Well, I went with alittle bit later on in the
decade, 1987 inner space.

(44:22):
You music. Test Pilot, tuckPendleton wants to make history.
Supermarket clerk, Jack putterneeds a vacation. Late. That's
not good. You know, it's couponday. Lieutenant Pendleton is
about to be miniaturized, placedinto this needle and then
injected into this rabbit rockand roll. But something went

(44:48):
wrong, and tucks about to get anew destination inside Jack
putter. I'm not a man. Hello.
Can you hear me? I'm. Was thatnow Jack's got twice the
problems. Are you doing Jack?
But he's double the manwith tuck on his side, in his
gut and on his case, you're notgonna

(45:17):
back groceries all your life.
Are you Jack?
And only 24 hours left for Jackto get out of danger so that
tuck can get out of Jack. DennisQuaid, Martin Short, give
yourself a shot of adventureinner space.

(45:38):
Yes, I have not seen this movie.
Sodirected by Joe Dante, he has 41
credits, including piranha,Gremlins, the howling matinee,
the whole many of which we havetalked about on the show
starring Martin Short, 115credits, including three amigos
only, murders in the building,father of the bride and Alice in
Wonderland, as well as manyepisodes of SNL, Dennis Quaid,

(45:59):
123 credits, including Jaws 3denemy mine, right the right
stuff, white or Parent Trap, dayafter tomorrow at the substance.
Meg Ryan, 53 credits, includingone Harry, Matt Sally, Sleepless
in Seattle, Top Gun, and RobertPicardo, who has 257, credits.
But all you need to know is thathe was the doctor and Voyager.

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This story follows the disgracedpilot, LT Lieutenant tuck
Pendleton. He has had, hebasically has no chance of
getting back into the air afteran accident, showing up at a big
military event, drunk, gettinginto a fight with some cooks,
then some other pilots, goinghome with his girlfriend, who is

(46:45):
super sick of his shit and dumpshim. And then he resigns his
commission. Several monthslater, we find that he is
volunteering for a secretmission. He is working with a
private scientific company as apilot for a secret
miniaturization project, wherethey will shrink him and put him
into a rabbit. As the experimentis underway and he's inside of a
syringe, a rival science outletattacks to try and get the tech

(47:09):
and put it out on the blackmarket. One very, very
squirrely, surprisingly athleticscientist who does not look like
he should be able to run or movethe way he does, grabs the
syringe and runs out the door,escaping by foot and then bike
to the local mall. There he runsinto Safeway grocery clerk Jack
putter, a hypochondriac who hasbeen ordered to take a vacation

(47:31):
and has just booked a cruise,when the elevator door opens, a
bleeding scientist shoots him inthe ass with a needle, and
Pendleton is now in Jack's body,unaware that he isn't in a
rabbit tuck attaches to theoptic nerve and discovers he is
not where he thought he'd endup. He gets in contact with Jack
by basically talking into hisbrain, and the two of them then

(47:53):
have to figure out how to worktogether and coordinate to evade
the evil scientists alsoteaching Jack a few lessons in
bravery and coolness, and alsosave tuck in general, from dying
from asphyxiation, lack ofoxygen, and a death he'll
achieve by 9am the very nextday. They have to get in touch

(48:14):
with his ex girlfriend, who'salso a crack reporter, and Jack
infiltrates the tech buyer, whois also Robert Picardo to help
intercept the chip that isneeded to help get tuck back
home. So this is a super neatidea. I love the way that he's

(48:34):
working with the Super shadytech company, slash science
unit, that's really crap. Andthey constantly are doing stuff
wrong. Like, while he's gettingready to get shrunk, some dude's
like, oh yeah, I spilled a bunchof coffee on that computer
yesterday. Just hit this key,it'll work fine. And like,
they're jostling like cables,and one guy's late, and they're

(48:55):
like, we're just gonna have todo it without him. There's just
constantly this feeling thatthings are not right, and it's
shocking when it works. Ingeneral, it's like, Oh, my God,
he did get shrunk. Um, like,also the rival science team is
incredible. You're like, Why thefuck are these scientists?
They're like, Oh, Meg, it's you.

(49:16):
She takes off her like, gasmask. You're like, who are you?
Who's this lady? What are youdoing? Dennis Quaid, this young,
handsome Dennis Quaid has someserious Jack Nicholson vibes,
which I always freaked outabout. Like the way he talks and
moves is so Jack Nicholson,Martin Short, being young, hot.
Martin Short is not hot. It'sjust fine. MC, Ryan as young,

(49:40):
hot Meg Ryan just depresses mebecause she had a lot of
surgery, and now it's sad everytime you see her. Robert Picardo
is so fucking fun. I love hischaracter in this he's this
weird cowboy, like Latvian guy.
I don't know he's doing someweird accent. He's just crazy.
But in general, just. Just superfun, weird film. The villains

(50:00):
feel like they walked right outof Austin Powers. It's just so
over the top, but, but really,really neat, and I love they
have a whole drama that's goingon inside the body of Martin
shorts character, where theysend like a rival guy in there
in his own little miniaturesuit, and they have to fight

(50:22):
with their like tech bodies and,oh my god, it's so ridiculous.
It's just a tiny bit of trivia.
This is the only film by JoeDante to ever win an Academy
Award. All the cells seenoutside the pod were, in fact,
made out of jello, according toPeter Curran, the special
effects advisor, Dennis Quaidand Meg Ryan met on the set of

(50:44):
this film dated from there, andthe two later married in 91 and
were divorced by 2001 but that'sokay, because Jack Quaid showed
up as a result. William Schillerwas cast as Jack's doctor as an
in joke, since he played thedoctor in The Incredible
Shrinking Man from 1957 anddespite expecting it to do well,
the film was considered a boxoffice flop, due to being

(51:07):
severely poorly marketed. Thebudget was 27 million. It
grossed 26 million in theaters,but eventually, through rentals,
achieved 95 million. So that'sgood. It got there in the end, I
did not realize it was nota success. Oh, I knew that.
I didn't realize either group Iwas with. I guess we all loved
it.
We all liked it. Dante hasn'thad a success besides gremlins.

(51:31):
Basically, it'scrazy. But yeah, I just re
watched this on maybe a year ortwo ago. It was so much fun. I
honestly a little surprised. Ilike, glad that you said that,
because I was good to say thatthis is a pretty broad comedy.
Let's beclear. I've had food poisoning
for two days. I had very littlesleep. This just somehow got to

(51:51):
me in just the right perfect setof circumstances for me to have
a few chuckles here and there.
Good, good. Yeah, it's a cutemovie. Yeah, it
was cute. It was cute.
Eric, you want to go, yeah, fiveminutes on the buzzer, all
right, so we're looking atkind of right in between the two

(52:11):
of your films. 1985 enemy mine,movie.
Moon on a desolate planet,he is a soldier

(52:32):
alone with his enemy.
Also don'tyou understand indie code face,
I don't love you and you don'tlove me. Or strand here, you
understandhis suspicion will change

(52:55):
to tolerance.
You saved my life. Why II need to look at another face,
even as ugly as yours. Tolerancewill lead to friendship. We
should open up a little placehere. I can ruin the food. You
could scare away the customers.

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And with that, friendshipwill come an overwhelming
responsibility.
Don't get around Jerry. You mustpick my place,
protecting a life he values morethan his own,

(53:52):
Dennis Quaid, Louis Gossett Jr,Wolfgang Peterson's enemy mine.
I rented on Apple and is forrent. A whole lot of places
reviews are kind of middle ofthe road for this. But I had
forgotten that this was WolfgangPeterson directing, oh, who

(54:14):
directed Air Force, one perfectstorm, and the fucking amazing
Das Boot, which is just aphenomenal film, and one of the
few films you can watch that'sforeign, that, if you watch the
dub, same because all the actorslearned English and dubbed their
lines or already knew Englishand dubbed their own lines for
the dub. So for Das Boot, yeah.
Okay, that works Edward, writtenby Edward karma, who wrote lady

(54:40):
Hawk, Merlin dragon. This basedon a book by Barry B long year
starring. There's a bunch ofnames listed, but basically this
stars Louis Gossett Jr, who's aOfficer and a Gentleman. Color
Purple. JDS, revenge. And, ofcourse, Joe. Oz, 3d, yes, and
Dennis Quaid, yeah, you mightknow from the substance, parent,

(55:04):
trap, caveman, the hearse andinner space. So the movie starts
off, and it is a unusualsituation for humans, because
they're battling for resourcesfrom galaxies they've discovered
they're fighting against anothergroup that wants the same

(55:27):
resources. Who knew but startsout with a space battle that
puts Dennis and Gossett incombat, not directly, but Lewis
shoots Dennis's man the way hereacted. I don't know wife or
something. Dennis loses hisshit, and despite everybody

(55:48):
yelling at him, stop, do not gothere. You're going to crash on
that planet. You don't know theatmosphere. We don't know what's
down there. He just goes for it,and ends up crashing on the
planet, nowhere near, not reallyvery near, where Lewis scratch,
but he finds him sa the theeffects, though, not great, no,

(56:09):
it's a good thing. Most of thismovie was not in space, because
it's like we're talking BuckRogers original Star Trek level
effects. It was yay, but that'sokay, because they never go they
Well, they go there again, butnot the same.

(56:30):
And thesuffers a little bit, because,
I'm guessing, at some point thestudio said we need voiceover to
explain some stuff. And Dennis'sVoiceOver is very dramatic. It's
like he's reading. And then wewent to war. The substance was
needed. I was just like, Jesus,dude, lighten the fuck up. And I
do remember really liking thismovie. I originally saw this in

(56:54):
theaters, and beginning, I'mgonna go, oh shit. Maybe I
should not have re watched this.
The first 10 to 20 minutes are alittle, not great, but most of
the movie is just the two guysworking their shit up. Yeah, I

(57:14):
do find it kind of funny thatDennis yells at Lewis's
character for being dumb andstupid. But who's the two? Care
of the two characters. Wholearns the other ones complete
language very quickly and fullynuanced. And Dennis sort of
learns, he eventually learnssome stuff, but, but it does get

(57:37):
a lot better. The voiceover doescontinue to kind of hurt the
film. There's some drama it. Itspacing is a little rough. It
does it the drags at certaintimes. It just like the two. And
I think completely immersingLouis Gossett Jr down to

(58:01):
contacts was a mistake, becausehe is such a phenomenal actor,
and he still manages to pull offa great performance with just
his voice. But if you at leastcould have seen his real eyes, I
think that would have helped alot. But they're like yellow and
sort of amphibian. Yeah,amphibian looking. So they're
sideways split. This was ainternational CO production us

(58:26):
United Kingdom and West Germany.
Began shooting in Budapest in1984 but the original director,
Richard long crane, ran intocreative differences right away,
and the creative differenceswere so bad that they basically
scrapped everything he shot, andbrought on Wolfgang Peterson,
who took over and re shot allthe scenes he had done after

(58:49):
convincing them to move theproduction to Munich, wow, where
you know the German guy had allthe resources. That's got
to be so disheartening. Ifyou're working on a film and
your your director is suddenlytaken off,
yep, and they're like, back topage one guys.

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The Language gossip spoke wascreated from scratch using some
Russian pronounced in reverse,it sounded really interesting.
Is neat. The original novicenovel from 1979 won a Hugo Award
for Best novella. See what elsewas there. The budget originally

(59:35):
started at 18 million, and ofcourse, blossomed by another 9
million as it had to redoeverything. It's not the most
expensive movie, and it shows inthe sets. And that space thing I
was talking about the it's veryobvious that they are in a
studio with fake built plantsand all that stuff around that

(59:57):
looked really rough. But I. Thefilm did not do well. Again, it
was credited a lot to thepromotions, the advertising, the
poster, is kind of ridiculousfor the movie of the two guys
just facing each other. It'slike romance. What are we doing

(01:00:17):
here? It was kind of a debacle,but overall, it's good,
enjoyable.
I remember liking this a lot,too, and I do remember that
those effects were pretty shaky,considering that Empire Strikes
Back, Return of the Jedi, all ofthat stuff had come out prior to
this. Yeah, and these weren'teven Battlestar Galactica TV

(01:00:39):
level. Yeah,they're bad. I couldn't imagine
what it looked like on thescreen, on the on a big
theatrical screen, watching iteven worse, because on TV, it's
like,oh, did Dennis Quaid give you
Jack Nicholson vibes?
I didn't connect with that, butyou're saying it. I can
absolutely see it. Yeah, whatyou're talking about? His his

(01:01:01):
expressions, the cadence, theway he spoke was, I think he
enjoyed Jack's performances,yeah, borrowed from a little too
heavily for a little while.
Very interesting. And you sawthis, it was a rental, yeah,
it's arental. A bunch of places I
rented it apple, but on Idefinitely want
to check this out. Was thisbased on a book or anything?

(01:01:21):
Yeah, okay, the guy that won theHugo Award. Listen
to just a secondlast five minutes. Listened for
at least four and ahalf. I did mention the book
twice. Oh, well, whatwas this movie called, Eric? I'm
a little surprised that's not onTV or Pluto TV,

(01:01:49):
but no, it's film studio.
Well, okay, I had a lot of funwith this. You guys. Yeah, same
Eric. That means that you get topick the next sub genre?
Yeah, yes, I think we shouldcontinue on with this be just
jump into the 90s, which couldbe an interesting year over sci

(01:02:10):
fi, but we'll see what we canfind 90 sci fi. That sounds fun.
Little caveat here, though,we've got crypto con coming up,
and I know that we are recordinga live show there. Yeah. And so
that might slot in between thisone in the 90s, or it might come
after the 90s. Soit is if you're in the area and
get in Saturday, we're aSaturday night. I forgot the

(01:02:33):
exact time, 7pm sounds right,seven and come on, pie. See us.
We will have seating available.
Stickers. Yeah, we got stickersand stuff like that. Hey, I
think I still have a coin or twothat we can bring. Oh, my God,

(01:02:57):
all right, that soundsfantastic. Well, that means here
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Drunk, Dallas,where are you? Jamie,
huh? I still talk regularly withthe Bronzo, and he is doing just
fine. Oh, excellent. Okay, so,and he told me that he had just
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the strangeeons talk page, thenext predator, the guy from
prey, the next, oh, yeah,he's on top of things, and
that's right. Thank you tryingto keep everybody interested. So
thanks for that. Yeah. Thank youso much. Okay, gang, we'll be
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