Silent Night, Deadly Night | Christmas True Crime Chaos! - Strange Brew Podcast!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following show may shock, disturb, and offend some viewers.
The opinions, theories, and facts shared on this podcast are
not widely accepted by the brainwashed masses, especially those who
find dark humor offensive. Viewer discretion is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
This kid said head, Jeffrey's daughter so duplat, the unibomber
blowing up Waco, Texas and Heaven's Days and aliens modified

(00:43):
men for names, JFK shot on the head, a Cia.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Bigfoot and the mob man stunt of Sam talking to
that tis again.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Witches, dum Sam got serious noise and hauntings, stargards and
the skull and bones most celebrities.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Are probably can do.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
If you're feeling all alone, crack.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
A beer and get stone.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Welcome you to the podcast Range Proof. We're here to
entertain you. We're here to entertain you. It's the best
kid's Strange.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Ho Ho your dirty Welcome back to the show, everybody,
and welcome back. I'm your host, Tom kat Ak, Tom Thompson,
the Raptilian, and tonight who am I joined by on this.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Very Christmas occasion? The little Christmas Boy? Why do I
always have to be a little boy? Actually, my moniker
seems to be. Like I did tell you before about
the the.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Little boy you have kidnapped in your basement, about the
group of friends all he was hanging out and they
gave me like a rapes little penis, so I was
I was like, you're little penis. But then later I
was calling a milkshake and he like actually liked it.

(02:09):
I was like, I think it sticks though. I was like,
milkshake is I was like without milkshake. I was like
that's I was like it suits you, you know, oh
you could get cansled first hand something like that, and
now it is yeah whatever. So I wasn't this is bad, man.
I wasn't gonna drink this month at all. I was
doing decent. And then we had a work party and
I got lit up because homeboy is just talking about

(02:29):
he's younger and he just got his car back, so
he drove because he doesn't really like the drink. So
he drove me another buddy and another body the older
guys in the shop, and we kind of got like
we did go karting, and then we got liquored up.
So I was like, already broke it whatever, Like I'll
just do dry January because I actually want to stop drinking.
I do, and I want to, like, I really want

(02:49):
to cut it back. I was starting to work out
consistently and now I'm like slacking. It's like and the
festivies you're almost here are gonna be off for Christmas
for a little bit. So I had this in the fridge.
I just want to try to keept seeing at the LCB.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Know, uh, that's a strange name.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
It's a lip pickle bro so I'm guessing it's fiery,
like it's hot hard pickle selser. I was like, I
just have to try try.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, go for it. Absolutely, fucking girls.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
It's fucking weird, man, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Given the guy I remember like when it first came out,
I was like, this is weird, and I asked you.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
To it. Oh, we got It's funny.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
We went live to Twitch because we're gonna start setting
up live streams on specific days where it can be
every other Sunday.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
That's what we're planning to do.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
We've had some technical difficulties and stuff, so we're trying
to do that more often for everybody listening and watching,
to try to do live special like a live show
every other Sunday and be consistent, so you guys can
show up, but some as well just go like raw
cuts live to twitch.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
And someone in the chat was just like, how is it.
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
It like I've had pickle vodka and I used to
get straight sometimes because like I'm like, it was the
summer and I was guys, want a shot or something
like that, And the pickle vodka lasted me a long
time because I just put it in Caesars and stuff
like that. But even it was very weird as like
a straight shot. And I like pickles but not that much.
But I feel like this is like, you know, there's
those weird bitches that just love pickles, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
You know I ever met one yep pickle we talked
about made with real pickles.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
There's someone that's gonna listen or watch this. I'm like,
oh my god, I wish I had that where I was.
You know, it's really weird. I don't know. Even Billy
makes fun of it because like in Ontario, we have
all these weird drinks and he's in New Brunswick and
it's not as like they don't have so many craft
beers and stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
We I was gonna say we don't hear, but we
actually do. Like anywhere I go. Now that's like, so
what do you call you call it a liquor store?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
A beer liquor store.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
What was the other thing? He said? L CBO? What
the is that?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's what we call it, the elsie, the l CIBO.
How do I not know this liquor company something Ontario?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Okay, so it's just like a okay.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
It's our Ontario branch.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Some of what you all we have is like what
we call it is the off License.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Liquor Control Board of Ontario. It's fine. I didn't actually
know what the that if we just call it the
l c right. Every yeah, I started drinking game take
a shot. Every time Tom says he's going to be
go dry, I'm trying. I'm going here is the plan.
But I gave up on the work party. I was like,
it's the festivities.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
But yeah, we have the what's called the off license?
What's that? And yeah, so that's like where we go
to get alcoholic. If I was going to get alcoholic,
like right, okay, I'm going to the off license to
get alcohol weird? So I just I never knew what
it meant right, So I looked it up. I chat

(06:02):
gptate it. In Ireland and off license for alcohol is
usually simply called an off license. You might mean the
type of shop but in supermarket. Okay, So you have
Irish slang for the off license, the offie officially just
the off license if you meant the name retailers off license.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Very strange, Yeah, it is weird. Yeah, the alcobo is
becoming unneeded at some point because then there's in the
Communian stores keep canades drunk and docile and.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Forget all their problems by drinking it away.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Anyway, so's before just to clear that up, just so,
because just for my own mental health, because it'll annoy
me if I don't say it.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
In Ireland and the UK, apparently the term off license
comes from the type of license that is granted to
a store for selling alcohol. Why is it called an
off license. There's two types of alcohol licenses in this region. Unlicense,
which is alcohol is consumed on the premises such as bars, restaurants,
et cetera. And off license alcohol must be taken off

(07:11):
the premises and you cannot drink it inside these stores.
For example, off license shops inside of supermarket stores that
sell alcohol. So that's literally the name is like a
literal arm, like you take your alcohol and you bring
it home or bring it somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
That like iaa Ireland's Angry Alcoholics. Okay, I figured that.
You know, it's well, let's just get into the episode. Okay,
I smoke some weed before this. Let's have fun. Don't
they just have like a whiskey delivery weekly in your country?

(07:46):
That's so funny. Yeah, like they had milk delivery. It's
just whiskey.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
It wouldn't actually surprise me if we did actually on
the subject that I thought, because we're quite on this show.
A lot of times we're quite the contrary to what
you would think. So, well, is drinking hot pickle or
whatever it's.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Called pickle bro It's not. It's not hot like I thought.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'm drinking three mint peppermint tea. That's the normally. What
I get back to that is.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Go, oh yeah, ok yeah, So let's get into it.
They're like, this is the Christmas time. We Aaron suggested this.
We're talking about doing some Christmas stuff and I was like,
you know, we've done a Christmas crime special, Like it
seems like, I think probably like three years ago at
this point, So we're gonna do it again. There's some
stories you might have covered. I think at least one

(08:45):
that I recognize. The rest I tried to we try
to get different Christmas true crime stories. I thought it
would just be fun. We haven't done a lot of
true crime. By the time you guys hear this one,
you'll soon hear one that me and Billy did about
a weird serial killer, one that I just thought was
so we had to cover it. So we're trying to
get back into true crime and mix it up a
bit and get back into aliens. We're gonna stop smoking

(09:07):
way before the show. Christmas is marketed as a truce
in the war of life. The ads tell you that
you got you got a few days where the chaos stops,
Families come together, the world softens under the snow. Everyone
clinks their glasses, pretends the year didn't nearly kill them.
But a reality is uglier. The pressures of money, family, alcohol.

(09:27):
As we are speaking, secrets and expectations all pile up
on a date circled in red. People have barely been
holding it together all year and suddenly find themselves trapped
in the same house with people who maybe resent them
or they resent the most, surrounded by knives and kitchens
and booze on the counter. Cops will tell you December

(09:48):
is not a month of peace. It's a month of
domestic calls, DUIs, assaults, and murder. The calendar doesn't stop
human darkness. It's just it just gives it a theme. Ah,
here those bells ing jingling.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
It's like, have you ever thought, here's a question, Actually,
have you ever been involved in any kind of altercation
during like Christmas holidays or like a family pirate or
something like that. No, I don't think so. Or have
you ever been somewhere where like oh.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, of course, Actually no, now I think But yeah,
there's there was a couple of times, God rest her soul,
my aunt, she drank too much and it essentially killed her.
And uh, before she passed away, she looked like like
an Ethiopian boy. And uh, it's just what alcohol it does, right,
And but but gray skin, not like a dark dark shade,

(10:39):
you know.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
And and she was trying to hide like everybody knew.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
And it was just like and my mom and her
go at it, and it's just like we're all aware
of what's going on. And then my uncle that I
did love to death, but everyone else it's like just
found him annoying. And uh, he he was never round
that often, but uh when he would show up, he
would drink a little weed they were driving to the
bus stop. He was like from like a place an

(11:03):
hour away or whatever, but only showed up sometimes. But
he got into drugs and stuff, right, So there was that,
and I liked hanging out with him. But even when
my grandfather was dying and he's like stroked out, my
uncle's just like drunk, just smoked a joint.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Trying to tell him, like to like, hey, it's like, you.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Know, just talk to you. My Grandpa's were like get
the fuck out of here.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know what dying See this is because of you,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
My final moments, I don't want to hear this, I know.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Right, So it is, uh, have you ever because.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I yeah, I would say so. I'm trying to think
of anything in specific but stuff, right, Yeah, I definitely
maybe not so much anymore because I try to remove
myself from a lot of family. I'll be honest. It's
a thing where like I feel like when you talk
to people and everyone's like, oh my god, my whole

(11:58):
family's getting together and we all love each other. It's
such a nice thing. It's like the intro to home
alone and everyone loves each oldren. It's great. And I'm like,
reality is like not the case. Like I remember years ago,
like going to family get togethers at Christmas, and obviously
there would be lots of alcohol involves, and then as
the day progresses, people start to say shit, maybe that

(12:19):
they would keep quiet normally, and then the next thing
like everyone wants to like punch that off each other,
and like, all right, motherfuckers, I'm out of here.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, it's it happens with everybody, right. I feel like
it's more wholesome now, but definitely back in the day,
I was a shit disturber and stuff like that too,
so I would like bring up conversations.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
It went from my conspiracy stuff to like probably like uh,
the the shots, which I suppose we can say on
YouTube now, to like you know, like mass immigration, to
like get them all out, you know, just.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Like nothing like that. To you have people going yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Know, right, especially people that don't maybe see completely eye
to eye and stuff like that, but I have my
wife claims I am condescending that.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Like she's like, if you just talk to people normally
and like not be not.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Undercut maybe comments, but when you hear like dumb shit, I'm.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Always like what, I know, it's not the topic for this,
But is she of the same mind as you or
does she?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just extroverted. She's introverted.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
She's more so.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's supposed to be like we're supposed to balance each
other out, is the idea, right, But it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Somebody's always go that way. But should she won't. She
would never go on.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Oh my god, it'd be fucking hilarious. Yeah, she would never.
I already have like so many funny ideas. I'm like,
bring bring her on me. I'll get you started on
a big rant and then just look at her face
for the next hour. Bring her on. I'll pick some dumbass,
terrible horror movie. Make her watch the entire thing.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
It would it would make good content. She would not
want to do it, though, So let's get in the
first one on Christmas Day. This is very famous case.
Uh and this is on in nineteen twenty nine in
rural Stokes County, North Carolina, tobacco farmer Charles Charlie Lawson
gathered his wife and seven children together and did something

(14:16):
that would creep into America folklore. Days before the holiday,
this poor working family did something unusual. Charlie took them
to town, brought everyone brand new clothes, and professional family
photo was taken. Oh boy, we're gonna get together and
we're gonna take a family photo.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Is that actually? Yep? Yikes?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I know scaryes actually back with that kind of looks
like they took twenty minutes to make that photo.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Dude, you don't know what that kind of looks like
to me. I feel like we definitely talked about this
on an episode. And I'm sure there's a name on this.
Maybe you'll know what remember where it would like prop
up family members when dead and like they put them
in suits and and like you at some point, I
think we dated on the strange that kind of looks
like that also, and the chick I'm assuming who's the

(15:09):
chick on the the far right holding the baby.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Right, I would assume that the mother, yeah, of one
of I think it's two families, the loss and families.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
He kind of looks like the woman who plays the nun.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Oh, yes, that is the mom. That is the mom,
and then the rest are kids and obviously somewhere.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Bonnie Bonnie Aron's is her name. Yeah, people want to
look her up, but she looks strikingly like her.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
This does look very frightening, not gonna.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
It isn't then to do it on the other end,
right now, I.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Know maybe they were possessed, right, I'm sorry to think
that more people are than ever. So you know, they
he brought they took him in a professional photo. Uh,
the struggling sharecropper, this was This was extravagant for him,
you know, out of character kind of behavior. The photograph,
the whole family was arranged stiffly, trying to look proper,

(16:01):
would become infamous because soon after it was taken, most
of those faces.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Would be dead.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I don't have my dude. What I don't have is
my sad music, which I have to get back. On
the afternoon of December twenty fifth, nineteen twenty nine, the
snow dusted field around the Lost and Farm were quiet.
Carrie twelve and Maybelle seven, We're walking along a path

(16:28):
near a barn on the way to visit an aunt
and uncle. They never made it. Charlie waited with a
twelve gage shotgun. He ambushed his daughters and shot them
a close raise bah. When the small body hit the ground,
he walked over and bludgeoned them to make sure they
were dead. Jesus Christ then posed them with their arms

(16:48):
folded around their chest and head resting and makeshift pillows
on a stone or wood. Their ritualistic pose would repeat
again and again. That is crazy, man, that he's like, hey,
you know, maybe it's like call their name or Carrie Maybell,
come here, daddy, what are you doing back there with
that shaga? Like that's fucked up, man.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Especially like these are like young kids.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah. And the fact that he's like, all right, I know,
like a shotgun, right, it would you know, it would
tear you up a bit, And he's like this will
make it look better like falds the arms yike.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, like he would imagine like I don't know how
it works, but like I can't imagine shooting a fucking
four year old and a two year old. I know
there's gonna be much left.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well yeah, I know, well one yeah, one was uh
Maybell was twelve a carry was tall and Maybell was seven,
but it gets younger. So then he walked back towards
the house. His wife, Fanny was on the front porch.
He raised a shotgun and fired, hitting her in the chest.
The report of the gun echoed through the little wilder inside.

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Seventeen year old Mary screamed. The young boys, James four
and Raymond two, tried to hide. Charlie entered the home
and shot Mary, then hunted the boys down, killing them
as well. Finally, there was baby Mary Lou, just a
few months old. She appeared not to be killed by
a gunshot, but blunt forced trauma, likely beaten, and when

(18:25):
neighbors found the bodies, several of the victims had been
arranged with arms folded, heads placed on cushions, as if
Charlie couldn't decide whether his family whether they were his
family or props. In some sort of sick, twisted funeral
home scene, he was directing, Yo, that is like crazy,
though that like it. You can't tell me people don't

(18:48):
get possessed. This guy got possessed by some sort of
fucking demon because you just have no care in the world,
no empathy, like in.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
What makes you do that? Where you're like, all right,
it's go time.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I'm gonna kill the most important things to me or
should be, and things that like take it took him
generations to build.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Like look at me, kids, Yes, some look like that.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
One creepy guy looks like he's It's so funny because
he's probably like sixteen.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
You know what I mean. I was just gonna say
he's probably, but.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
He looks like he's like thirty five, and she is supposedly.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
It's so funny. The men they bought, they both look older.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
She is sixteen, seventeen, she's seventeen and she yeah, she's seventeen,
seventeen years old. She looks like she is like thirty six.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yep. I was just gonna say, she's like, she looks
like she's in her forties.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Fuck god, I know.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
The only child to survive was the eldest son, Arthur,
Arthur's Arthur. That morning, Charlie sent him into town to
run Errand's People still argue whether this meant that Arthur
was spared, or whether Charlie intended to kill him later
but never got the chance.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Maybe he did, just maybe the family was a burden
but he loved his son. He was the oldest, he
was the one to carry on his legacy, and maybe
he just wanted to get rid of everybody else. Yikes,
that's so crazy. So they still don't know. But after
a nihilaying his family, Charlie walked into the woods with
a shotgun. Hours later, a single shot rang out. Searchers

(20:21):
had gathered around the house, horrified and buzzing with rumors,
rushed towards the sound, and found him dead, surrounded by
circles of footprints in the snow. It looked like as
he was pacing around a tree again and again, working
himself up to pull the trigger. The thing is like,
you're possessed man, Like the fact that maybe for how
long hours, maybe that he was just circling around in

(20:44):
a circle. And then they'll be like, you know, there's
it's very strange, this whole case. Maybe at some point
later on the show we'll do like a big deep dive,
but it's weird.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Do you think though, that that is the case or
is it the fact that in a lot of these stories,
like as time goes on, other stuff starts to come
out where it's like, I don't know, it was like
fucking his kids or something.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's well, then you can still claim demon possession.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
And I ever really just in that way.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I just think that, like the especially after my mushroom
trip recently, which I was gonna tell you about on
the show at some point, but like essentially I had
this crazy mushroom trip and I thought that there was
a pair. I did a video about it on YouTube.
You guys can go watch it. It's on YouTube and rumble
and I break down for half an hour my kind
of whole experience. And I took something like on my birthday,

(21:38):
like a month ago whatever, and then I took just
a lighter strain and did about like three grams or
something in a tea. So I was like, Okay, I
have this other strand I know it's more potent, but whatever,
I'll try four grams and a tea.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
You do a lemon tech which I soaked.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
The lemon juice amplifies the experience, and so I was
lying there, you don't feel good at first, and then
I'm just having these like crazy dark thoughts about the
world existing and how like this AI thing is like
entered in through like phones and like just watching everybody
and shit, and it was like it was like trip
me out and like having this crazy experience. Uh and

(22:13):
then uh she Chelsea for at first it was not
it was not bad right that she's holding the baby
over me, and She's like it'd be so funny. She
threw up Weddy right now, and I'm like, no, no,
I'd freak out because you don't like you don't like
any of that stuff, like just gross things or like
you get the ways that like textures and stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
And uh, I was just I was.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Laying there tripping out his like, and I was like
thinking about how there was it just kept feeling there's
a parasitic force that's like consuming humanity. And she was
like you could have been projecting that, but I'm like no,
I like felt this energy and even like it was crazy,
people like can they don't understand it if they've never
done it or had their own experience.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
But you know that song like.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
All around the world, la la la la, la la la,
all around the world. I was watching it and they
look like reptilians and shit, and I was like, you know,
they're talking about us all around the world like that
they're kidnaping children all around the world and they just
looked unnatural and weird the way they were moving, what
they were doing. And then I just have that had
kept having this thoughts like this is why they want

(23:14):
to move us into fifteen minute cities and they want
more people to consume, and I was like starting to
trip out a bit and I was like, this is nuts,
and I thought about it. I was like, this is why
they're flooding the first worlds with like third worlders, why
they're flooding the Western world with people from the third World.
It's because it's like they need more people to consume.
These people pump out kids, and I was like, they
just want more and more, like essentially, like not saying

(23:36):
everyone from the third world is stupid, but like essentially
just people who only consume, right, They're not like they
don't know how to benefit society. And I'm not saying
every that's everybody, I'm miss making that clear, but it
just felt like they need more people that are living
miserably to consume and consume and want to push us
together in like apartments, in closer contact so they can
just consume. And it was like this like people that

(23:58):
had never done it, you would n't standle.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I was like, god, like going.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Crazy, it felt like.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
And then it got better later, but where is that?
Where is Chelsea when all this is going on? She
completely sobras.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, no, she took an edible. She hasn't done a
long time. And then it was just funny because you know,
I'm tripping balls and I'm explaining this to her, especially
as you come back downstairs while I'm having this happen.
She's just putting the baby to bed, and it felt
like like like hours went by, and it doesn't really,
but like maybe like an hour goes by, but it's
been like three minutes. And then even she was still

(24:30):
upstairs and it's so funny. I'd go upstairs as dark
as fuck, and I'm like, like things are.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Moving around me and shit. And then I peek into
the room.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
I'm like, it's everything okay up here, and she's like
this and all I see is the silhouette of like
something rocking in a chair and I was like, oh,
never mind. She's like I can hear her laughing after
but she's like I could hear I couldn't hear anything.
I just hear your voice faintly. And then she's like
all I saw is you it? And my fucking eyes

(25:01):
are probably wigged out, and I was like, oh, never mind.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's like like fucking mister Barnes when he comes out
to the reactor and he's like he comes out with it.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, uh, I bring you love. It just was so
funny because it because all the shadows, everything moving, it
was dark. It looked like some insidious movieh just very funny.
But I want to tell you that because like that
shit gets intense. Bro Like that was that and I
haven't done it a long time. I've been not using it,
and like you know, I was like, I gotta use
these ones up in the freezer. I've had them for

(25:31):
a while and before they go bad. And then I
was like, who knows that they went bad? It made
my trip worse. But it was like and it just
felt like normal mushrooms. It just felt like I had
this something was trying to tell me something, you know,
scary stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I actually so when they hear you saying all that,
I'm like, oh, I need to get to kind of
the and take it a little mushrooms and stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
It will help your psyche. Afterwards, I felt great. We
were watching that Kevin Hart's stand new stand up. But
I was laughing my ass off, and it's just those
bad moments at the beginning where it's really intense. It's
trying to show you something like either way, right, it's
really trying to show you something going on.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
You're in your psyche.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
And and so, and then afterwards you feel kind of great,
like I was laughing, having a good time, you know, so,
but that first I've had those moments before where it's
really intense and and it shows you.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Things, and it showed me some stuff. It was scary.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Anyways, let's carry on. I was just uh, I was
just laughing about I think bro does not like masks.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, yeah, what what what makes you think that little
snowflake projection there?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah? I love that. Actually, I was gonna go Christmas Tale.
But because we're recording for your show tomorrow for Silent
Hill or Silent I can call all Silent Night Deadly Night. Tomorrow,
we're doing for a class forecast to what you guys
will hear by the time this comes out, So definitely
go check out class horor casts on our side, and
then we have the watch along on Sunday for side

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with Billy Silent Night, Deadly Night Part two, which is
a ridiculous movie. So I'm like, I'm gonna wait to
be a little more festive.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Then we have the.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Christmas Special, So make sure everybody out there check out
the Christmas Special.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Watch it.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
We're going live on December twenty. First, if Aaron's not there,
I'm going to fly reindeer into his.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Forehead every time. Every time.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
So no suicide note explaining his motive was ever found,
only some vague, troubled letters to his parents discovered later.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Over decades, theories multiplied.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Some say he had suffered from a head injury like
Syracos Do months earlier before in a farm accident, and
acting strangely since Others claimed financial strain or depression. The
most disturbing theory came later that Charlie had impregnated his
own daughter Mary, so you guessed it, and the masker
was violent attempt to erase the evidence and his own shame.

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The extent of family members told authors and journalists that
rumors of incests circulated, and report that Mary had confined
in her about being pregnant by her father shortly before
the murders, though no pregnancy is medically documented after the
murder suicide, the Loss and House became a morbid attraction
families and relatives. Relatives opened the home as kind of

(28:18):
a Ma Cob tourist site. Curious locals and gawkers from
the out of town paid admissions to walk through the
rooms where the family had died. People thought, fought, people
filed past bullet notes, whatever, stained floorboards. Oh yeah, yeah,
and Christmas cake that Marie baked for that day now

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preserved under glass as a gruesome exhibit.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
That is wild.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Some songs were written about it, including the murder of
the loss and family during their deaths into kind of
an Appalachian murder ballot. The photograph from before the killings
took a haunting quality, one that was kind of was
in forever at a moment in time where everyone kind
of stood still is still alive before the Christmas turned

(29:06):
into slaughter. It is a crazy case. And she could
look pregnant, she could just be frumpy, but you know.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah, she she she probably just has that Like maybe
I'm wrong, but I feel like chicks from back then
didn't really have rocking bods and had that kind of
like fridge like bag of milk.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I know what they had and they had they had
like a farm hen body, you know what I mean,
there's like working at the farm slinging.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
They would have potatoes on their back.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Or bag of milk. Yeah, it is a weird body,
like a bag of milk. It's just like weird. It's
a crazy case.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Like I would be interested at some point in maybe
doing a deeper dive and doing a whole episode on
the case. Uh, you know, we summarized it, but there
is more details and more weird things about the case.
I'd like to kind of dig and see what I
find anymore, because it is such a strange case. It
just snaps all of a sudden, and the creepy photo beforehand,
like I don't even understand that, like if everyone's gonna

(30:04):
die anyway, But you know, maybe they've never really had
a family photo before this because it wasn't like a
thing that it was kind of expensive. I'm sure at
last you have to stand there for fucking ten minutes
look at all fucking scary looking, you know.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
So maybe he just did it as like I'm gonna
cement this in.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
History or it to me.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Maybe it's like the idea of like demonic entity wanting
to It's this on my mind all the time.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
I was like, imprintedself.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, I kind of oldest. You're gone very demonic since
I last spoke.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
That shit scared me kind of a bit.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Not gonna lie if I felt it all around me,
this evil, and I felt it before on mushrooms too
and stuff like scary.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
It could be creeping in and maybe it's slowly, but surely.
Start thinking and it's going to consume me the next time.
You're going to have two white eyes on the show, dude.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
When I had that the Mormon on which I think
will be an after this time, we're to have to
release everything, and I had weird dreams about it and
about the occult and like stuff like that, and it's
just I was like, it's creeping under.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
My skin, man, flying too close to and even what
I did.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
When I was younger, I used to weed you boy
a lot more.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
I'm being like, oh, fuck, that's what I'm telling you.
This is It's the perfect like opening scene for a
horror movie. Yeah, it's like the ship from Talk to
Me or whatever. They're messing with the hand and they're
all laughing and drinking and be like and then the
dude becomes like super fucking possessed and freaky looking and
starts smashing his head up bunhit, and they're like, WHOA.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
As weird as it is? That may be I just
have a feeling and be billy first. For some reason,
he would just start spassing out on the stream and
he like float up you know this like back all arched? Okay,
carry on, now your turn.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
How would you pronounce this? Who labor who?

Speaker 3 (31:48):
It's kind of goes with the Christmas theme. It's like
the who's the who laver? I probably would say who labor?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Who laver? Who the who labor? Christmas Eve murders, Pennsylvania,
two thousand and two. Jump ahead to Middletown, Pennsylvania, Christmas
Eve two thousand and two. The Joleever family were supposed
to be preparing for court, not for Christmas. Jean had
separated from her husband Ernest after years of abuse. Their

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daughter's Victoria, aged twenty, and Elizabeth, age fifteen, had accused
her father of sexually assaulting them. Interesting. There seems to
be a true line here. Not surprise there. Ernest was
out on bail awaiting trial for the assaults, and the
clock was taking towards the day his daughters would testify

(32:35):
against him. With the trial looming, he made a decision.
If he killed the witnesses, the case would die with them.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
He looks like he'd molest his kids. Not alive.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
He does have one of those creepy his face. Yeah,
he kind of has that weird he only kind of
looks like he sort of looks like Freddy Krueger from
a nightmare. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah, Yeah, they're.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Trying to say because he doesn' actually when.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
They're trying to do jack heally whatever his nerves when
they're trying to.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Like do the whole thing of like, he's not that bad.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
He didn't actually, yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Touched the kids. He has a haircut like that, and
ship as well, and he's run noise.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
He's like, oh my god, why are you doing this
to me?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
And welcome tomorrow night. There, bitch, that was actually really
good there. I'm petitioning for tom to be the next.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Freddy Bruger, Fat Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
You might have to petition because if he gets possessed,
he might turn into Freddy. I gotta get to pick
some night. And he's burning the skin off his face
with a hot frying pan half possessed, one white one
milky white eye. He's like frying his face on. He'll

(33:51):
be like fucking your man from versus Jason, where he's like, babe,
don't make me ask you twice bucking up the stairs.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
She's like, this is a good idea to go back
up there.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
On the night of December twenty fourth, Arnest enlisted his
brother Scott to drive him. In the early hours, under
the cover of darkness, Ernest slipped into Jean's home, where
Jean lived with the girls and Victoria's nine month old
baby Madison. Oh god, this is scomer. I think it
is also right, his brother's obviously scom as well. Then yeah,

(34:26):
he's like like, what what reason your ring your brother
and go, hey man, any chance of a lift? And
he's like, yeah, no problem. Where are you going? Oh
I'm going to my ex you know, my ex wife
and my kids who were accusing me. It's actually in trial.
I'm just dropping over on Christmas Eve at nighttime for
no reason.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah, so his his brother obviously knew. Also, what is
that drink again? Whiskey sounds nicer, whiskey nice, It's it's nicer.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
But when I had one before when Gil karting, and
it gave me a little bit of heartburn.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
I was like, I can't hale a sugary shag it.
Oh man, yeah, I feel that as well. Man. I
went to a comedy show last Wednesday night in Dublin.
It was like a big arena tour and like I
had to try like five or six different alcoholics. Because
I was sitting there like a fucking a pensioner. I
was like, I have heartburn. Oh, I feel really gassy.

(35:22):
I'm getting a headache. And I'm like, wow, I know
sugary stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Man. No, this is why you need to come to
Canada and then we can go go kurting.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
That'd be sweet.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
It was.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
It was pretty fun. You do that when you're drunk.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
They didn't know act like it just just standing there.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Well I had I only had one drink, Like that's it.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Well, that's not too bad.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Somebody claimed that somebody else was though. I was like,
I can see that, okay.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
So at some point between late Christmas Eve and the
early hours of Christmas morning, he shot Jean once in
the head. He then shot Victoria and Elizabeth post Range.
The baby miraculously was left alive in the house, alone,
lying next to her murdered mother. Ernest walks away, believing
he had erased the witnesses. Jeane didn't show up for

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a shift at the hospital, a job she was known
to be punctual and reliable at. Co workers were alarmed.
Police were dispatched for a welfare check on Christmas Day,
and officer entered the home and discovered the bodies of
Jean and her daughters in another room, crying but alive.
Was baby Madison, abandoned amidst the carnage, One detail that
carries that Christmas horror. The child had spent hours alone,

(36:35):
crawling and lying next to her mother's corpse during what
was supposed to be the baby's first Christmas christ Almighty.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
You know, you know, like people have said this about
me because especially when I'm stone. But if you look
at his kids, the two daughters, they could look Asian,
but then he looks like a white guy.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
It's yeah, it's weird. Yeah, I was just say, he
has some weird ass eyelids.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I know, it's it's yeah, it's funny because uh, a
lot of people claim it's like you could be native,
you look native or whatever. And I was like, well,
my family, I choosed my family back to sixty oh four.
I always call it the native too, So like the
whole time I get my DNA test on my quarter
Native of America, and then it's just like now who's talking,
you know, because we don't know how far my white

(37:23):
bloodline goes back because it cuts off it's like Canada
sixty oh four, then in America and then it's like
we don't know what happened after that or before that.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Strange it was gonna be really cool like in however
long from now people will be able to do it
answer ancestry and it will be like, oh, you were
developed in a tube.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, well there's theories about that. We're gonna be getting
to on the show that Mormon ladies ain't come back.
And I really want to explain it to Billy because
it's all about how like there was like the orphan train,
which I know about kind of stuff where they like
even Jerry Seinfeld, that creep claims that his parents were
like he was from the this orphan baby train thing.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
It's you don't like Jerry Seinfeld.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
No, while he dated his seventeen year old when he
was like thirty eight or some bullshit.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Seems like a cool guy. I've still got some time left. Yeah, yeah,
I don't like that shit about him. Yeah, okay, carry
on story. Investigators quickly focused on Arnest. The motive was
brutally clear and almost cinematic in its coldness. Killed the

(38:32):
key witnesses and the impending sex abuse case collapses. Prosecutors
described him as a desperate gambler who would do anything
to evade responsibility. It looks like this case. Yeah, yeah,
he'd like now again, I don't know, like, is it
one of those things where if someone said, like, oh,
he ran into a building and saved the one hundred people,
he'd be like, yeah, he looks like that kind of guy.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yeah, I know, right, I do you really tell.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
The jury? Let's see. So, yeah, they said he would
do anything to avait responsibility, and in this case, that
meant executing his entire family. The jury or agreed. In
two thousand and four, Ernest was convicted of three counts
of first degree murder and sentenced to death. What makes
the case so chilling is a Christmas story is its

(39:19):
total lack of emotional disguise. There was no sudden drunken argument,
no blind citing psychotic break. It was a methodical legal
strategy carried out in blood, timed perfectly to the holidays,
when his victims would all be together, relaxed, that vulnerable
while other families opened gifts. Ernest's family were being zipped
into body bags because he wanted to walk into court

(39:41):
without anyone there to speak against him.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Question is, yeah, I was just gonna say he has
the pure motive to do it.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Like generally speaking, Like I think if I was ever
put in that position, right and I made the dumb
decision to go, right, Okay, I need to kill that
person to get away with a really speaking right, if
you're trying to get away with sexually assault in your kids,
shooting them in the head and like leaving a lot
of evidence and like having tons of evidence, like it's

(40:12):
probably not the way. Like it's like, yes, you're getting
away with the sexual assault because you're being charged with
a triple homicide. So crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's like these coppers will never catch me if I
just kill everybody and then just leave them there with
no like no plan to like get rid of the bodies,
make it look like they were missing, because they could
have he could have done the whole thing, where like
cases will eventually get to have like an this idea
that you drive the car away and you like hide

(40:41):
the car, make it. Yeah, I know, And he's like,
let's just leave the bodies everywhere.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
I know you like obviously probably don't know. But what
do we reckon? Is like the time frame for let's
say he gets convicted of sexually assaulting his daughters. What
kind of time frame do you say he's going to
get in jail? Ten years, fifteen years now, depending on
this severity of them.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
He's white, so like life, but then five.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Hundred years, Molly and guy will get.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Like you get five months, ten ten minutes, do you
know what you did wrong?

Speaker 5 (41:14):
And they have to like sit him in the jail cell.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Do you have ID?

Speaker 6 (41:18):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (41:18):
No, no problem. Here, here's a here's a five years house. Yeah,
here's a house. Here's the keys to your brand new car. Yeah,
thank you.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Crazy because it's literally that's literally what's happening.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I would say, under regular circumstances, it could be even
like five to ten years, right, maybe like fifteen.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Guy was like, think about it, right, a worst case scenario,
he gets twelve to fifteen years, right worst case scenario,
where in his top process was it like, Okay, what
if I if I just kill everybody, then it's fine
because I won't get fifteen years, I'll get life.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
That's such a childsh thing to do too, It's like, but.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Especially to make no attempt. I wondered, what did he
just do it? He just do it, and like he
just had this idea of I'll just kill them and
then it won't be an issue. And then afterwards, once
his rage was he like, oh, I'm a fucking dumbass.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
So everyone knows, like during true crime cases, you've listened
to a lot of them. If you are just doing
into the show, now go back. I laughed through true
Crime because I have to. This is what what we do.
Me and Billy have said this since the beginning. Uh,
unless it's like Billy, we're talking about Chris Watts. That
really a lot of people did like at the time

(42:37):
that we covered it, and people were asking for like
part two, but even Billy, it's so fat, it's so
fucked up too. And Billy was like, I don't like
it because it's more recent. He's like, if we're talking
about Jeffrey Dahmer in the eighties. There's a disconnect, you
know what I mean. But when you're talking about yeah,
if you're like, we're talking about saying more recent or whatever, right,

(42:58):
and that's like, Uh, there's many different cases, like some
of the more bizarre ones that we could get to
and stuff like that. And I'm actually advocating for maybe
doing covering Ted Bundy. I know he's been overdone. I
said that since the beginning, where I'm like, we don't
need to cover him, everyone's done it. But I'm like,
I feel like we could have a different spin, especially
either if it's all three of us or me and you,

(43:19):
because we have this weird way of like being like
sometimes even putting ourselves in the shoes of the killer
and stuff like that. And it's just like even a
lot of people praise our Toy Box Killer episode.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
How I I still get messages about that up and down.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeah, it's you know, people love that episode and because
we push the limits on things. But also this is
what I do, Like, I understand people died. It's horrible.
I wouldn't wish any of this on anybody, but I
think like some of the circumstances and the ways that
these things happen, and the even motive or the thought
process of either the killer, most of the killer, the victims.
It's not their fault, but like it's like whoa, Like,

(43:59):
let's just get the problem.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
That one was just tie box. Yeah yeah, that dark thing.
Shit that was.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
So let's get to Florida. Everyone loves floor Rider.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Let's uh so in December twenty I've never I've never
been wand kept telling me to come down. But he
quit podcasting I heard, so I haven't talked to him,
quit like completely. I think so love the boy, love
you man. I just his business is doing well. You know,
I'll have to shut him out and see if he
we we were talking about doing episodes and stuff like

(44:32):
I don't know, months ago, right, but yeah, yeah crazy
for other people like strange ones. Eat those up there
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a lot of extra content and stuff that you won't
hear on the main show. Videos of stuff. So sixty
seven year old Michelle oh oh dueled dude, Oh.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
I can jump in here, can dou Yeah?

Speaker 5 (44:56):
Yeah, I guess that makes sense because she's probably Irish.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
I would imagine that's what that sounds like.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Does she look like an old Irish lady? I think so.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Not.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
The other one looks like a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Was that kind of person who actually lived the Christmas spirit.
She took people in when they were struggling, gave them
a place to sleep. And you know, generosity is how
Patty Michelle White ended up staying at her house and
Old the co worker of the family considered a friend.
White was down our luck and Michelle let her stay

(45:32):
in Jacksonville Old Jacksonville home over the holidays, trusting her
in a way that could cost her her life.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
And uh, it is interesting. This is what Billy was
doing for a bit.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I don't think he would care if I share this up,
but he was like letting There's times where he'd let
people stay at his home.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
At one time it was a there's a drug.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
She was a druggie, and I was like, you're not
gonna help her, man, And He's like, not for me.
I know, I like, don't do it, bro, And then
bad things happened, almost fairly severe, things like I'm sure
he'd probably tell it on the show, but I'm not
going to air his information. But he's like a nice
guy likes taking care of people. That's kind of who
he is, and it's just.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
A bad idea. I warned them about it. People see
that though, people can see that. And even though I
think even though you might think that someone's like, oh,
you know, they're a drug addict or they're an alcoholic,
they don't really know what they're doing. A lot of
those people are super clued into like when they see, yeah,
maybe you can crash in my house, and then all

(46:32):
of a sudden they're really cluded and they're like yeah, yeah,
sure yah, and before you know it, they're doing some
crazy shit.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Mm hmm. So when Michelle finally, uh suddenly stops showing
up for work at the PNC Bank, her twin brother
Phil went to check on her. He walked into a scene.
At first glance, looked like Christmas disaster. The house was ransacked,
Christmas tree toppled, slightly, toppled slightly, wrapping paper and presence

(46:58):
scattered around. It looked like a burglary gone wrong, maybe
a frantic struggle while someone tore through the place for valuables.
Phil walked through the living room, probably calling her name,
maybe half expecting her to pop out.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Annoyed that he was overreacting. It's like she just does this.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Sometimes she gets into her wine and she just spirals,
you know.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
He smashes up the whole house and covers some blood.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
He didn't see her at first. He was only when
he looked at a pile of presents by the tree.
He knows something gruesome, grotesque, out of place. Sticking out
from the pile of gifts under the Christmas tree was
a foot. So this is Michelle. Oh, how you say it?
Dowled shall Yeah, and her foot were sticking out. I

(47:49):
suppose we had been beaten and strangled. White had dragged
her to the area under the Christmas tree, covered her
in presence and decorations, and left her there like a
broken mannequin and a Christmas display, A towel placed over
Michelle's bloody face. The symbolic twist is on the kind
of nose of someone who would reject a horror movie script,

(48:12):
like a gift under a Christmas tree, murdered by the homeowner,
like a murdered homeowner under the Christmas tree.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Police later said that the scene had been staged.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Looking at robbery, you know, George pulled out and things
were like overturned and they're you know, basic. What actually
happened was uglier White, as we see her on the screen,
This bleach blonde hair, manly looking lesbian killed this woman,
then used her bank card and went on the run,
which they would be able to trace where you are

(48:43):
and what you're doing. White was arrested in South Carolina
and extra ried it back to Florida, where she eventually
pleaded guilty to the second degree murder and was sentenced
to forty five years in prison. Journalists and true crime
writers would later latch onto the phrase body under the Tree,
turning Michelle's death into one of the most iconic modern

(49:06):
horror Christmas murders.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I guess it horror and it's modern Christmas murders. But
under the headline is simple. A woman took someone in
for the holidays, which people would do they feel bad
for them, and she was killed out of her own
kindness essentially and hidden under a tree, almost as a
simple level for the season of goodwill, which is so crazy.

(49:29):
What's the motive for killer stuff?

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Things? You know? Again, like my outlook obviously I've never
been in maybe that position, but it's like, I don't know,
the escalation there. I feel it's quite like if I
was gonna do something wild like that, I want to
be getting access to like stupid money or resources or

(49:52):
something to even dream of something like that. Like, I
just I find it really funny when these like dumb,
like tootless hicks are like, oh, let me kill this
old lady and like I'll steal her food stamps or
something on her bank card that has like fifty dollars
on it.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I'm like, what, It's almost like what drugs do to people. Right,
It's like if I can just get to my next high.
A lot of times if they are drug dealers or
they're in that kind of lifestyle, it's just to get
to that next high. Right, I'm very excited. I have
Aileen Warner's ready to go. I've always wanted to cover her,
and I think me and Aaron want to cover if

(50:27):
we can get Billy in on it. But like this
whole idea of like where does it come where it's
just like where it's out of necessity or is it
out of desperation or is it out of pleasure? Right?

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Actually funny do you say that? And I don't know
what the show was. It was. It's sort of the
UK show I think from like the early two thousands,
and I seen a clip of it earlier today on TikTok,
and it was basically a guy who he wasn't even
an alcoholic, He wasn't a drug or anything, but like
he had he was in just one of those circumstances
where like he had no real family, his parents were

(51:00):
both dead. He was I think like in his like
mid to late twenties. Yeah, and he was trying to
like bet rooimself. Now, this was like a pretty well
spoken guy. Like he was dressed in like a suit
and like a trench coat thing, and he was like,
you know, going for job interviews and all this shit,
and he was like I can't. I can't afford to
keep my warm bedroom apartment, Like I have to keep

(51:23):
trying to figure out ways to make money till I
can get like a proper fixed job. And it's kind
of funny. It sort of ties into what you said
about like out of necessity. So he brings these really
and like now you can imagine this is late nineties,
early two thousands. He has these like giant headphones for
some sort of like Walkman or some sort of like

(51:43):
stereo system kids out there.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I legit used to carry around a CD player in
my pocket and it was like, yeah, think about like
just a diary of like seven inches.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I'd have a hoodie on and like my hoodie would
be down like on my shins with the way of
the Oh no, yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Remember I had one who had like the palm you
could like strap it to your palm. He's like, holy fuck, Yeah,
I cannot like have this like shoved in my pocket.
It's in my hand and it will skip every time
I fucking walk five seconds.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Yep. But yeah, he brings in these like giant headphones
and like obviously at the time there probably worked quite
a bit of money. Yeah, And I don't know whether
he had inherited him or whatever it was in this
big stereo system and he brings them into some like
cash trade in thing whatever, and the guys he seems
to wrick. And I don't know if somebody said, like, oh,

(52:34):
you could trade these to get a phone, because he
was like, I need a phone, like to do job
interviews and be able to take calls and stuff. And
then there was there must have been miscommunication and the
manager of the store comes back and he's like, no, no,
we can't. We can't just trade you and give you
a phone or not work that much. He was like,
all I can off you is twenty pounds, and he
was like, no, no, just give me my headphones back

(52:55):
because I'm not doing that. So the guy is like, Okay,
I need to go take care of paperwork because we've
already done the trade. So after a while, the guy
comes back and he's like, it's gonna be another few minutes,
blah blah, we'll get your money or we'll get your
headphones back, and then he just like he just turns out.
He goes it's fine, I'll just take the twenty pounds,
and they're like what, Isaac, I'll take the twenty pounds

(53:17):
and he's like, I thought you were like a really
adamant that you wanted because they were worth so much money.
And he's like, it's fine, I'm gonna need the twenty
pounds anyway. So it just doesn't matter. And it just
kind of showed me like what you're saying, like it's
a different thing, but like the same concept of I
need my Yeah, you're just gonna be like, you know,
if I have something that's worth a thousand dollars and

(53:38):
I can only get fifty four its. And I want
whatever I want right now, or I need whatever I need.
I guess I'll take fifty.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Yeah, And it is interesting because like I was just
someone I'd love to you have a class fore cast,
and I think we have the we could have the
ability to do it. But Jamie Kennedy, like I almost
in a many podcasts anymore, like but if I have
the time or whatever, And it's uses like some conspiracy
stuff where like maybe even Cherby Show where it's like
very political and the world's going coming to an end

(54:06):
and there's so many bad things happening. So I was like,
he's conspiratorial in his thoughts, but he also does it
in a very balanced way. But he was talking to
Jason Muse, and Jason's like talking about some of the
stories that he had and it's like, man, were you
just like you're just so desperate And it just started
off like, oh, like it's always the Jay's like the devil, right,
It's always a girl that gets you into this stuff.

(54:27):
And then he's like doing fucking Heroin and then he's
like he only like intravenous drugs and I like him.
I met him right, So it's and it's like, hell man,
it's a tough life.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Yeah, it's crazy to think, you know. I've heard stories
of people from around here that like struggled in life
with things like parents, die in, losing the long term partner,
and then turn into alcohol. Yeah, and just like the
slow descent into just fucking depravity basically so much so

(55:04):
that it's like go out at nighttime, like at whatever time,
what time is it right now? Too late eleven pm?
Would like go out at this time and like eat
eat out of public bins, so nobody from around here
would see, yeah, and like just ship like that, and

(55:25):
you're like you've you've gotten no idea. I so is
what something?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (55:28):
What's that called? There's something hopper? I knew people it
garbage hop whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Grass. It's just wild man, to be in that position
to even fucking I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
It reminds me of sucking that like now we're getting
offside with it and spawn where he like grabs like
what is it like there, like what a burger? It's
like maggots on it and ship yep. Yeah, So most
people knowing the Snowtown murders as the Australia is it
your turn, my turn?

Speaker 4 (55:57):
It is my turn?

Speaker 5 (55:58):
All right, carry on, Let's just break down the case
and get through it.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Bodies in the barrels, Snowtown and a holiday discovery. Most
people notice Snowtown murders as that Australian case with the
bodies in the barrels. Between nineteen ninety two and nineteen
ninety nine in and around Adelaide, ringleader John Bunting and
his accomplices Robert Wagner, James Velascus and Mark Hayden tortured

(56:27):
and murdered at least eleven people. Many of the victims
were on the fringes of society. People with disabilities, mental illness,
addictions are just unlucky enough to fall easy pickens, brow
easy pickens, you know, and those people are willing to
I've watched stuff about Ladies of the Night in the

(56:49):
States them and like, I was actually kind of shocked
by how the difference between, say, how some of them
are quite well put together, but they're quite conscious of
how dangerous what they're doing is. And then you go
to the other end of the spectrum where chicks will literally,
just like a due will pull up and be like, oh,

(57:11):
you want to get my car? Come to my place
and have a shower, and she's like sure, murder, let
me get in your car, No problem. Terrible, So where
are we? The killers justified some of the murders by
claiming their victims were pedophiles or otherwise undesirable, turning the
whole thing into a twisted vigilante fantasy layered over outright sadism.

(57:39):
The Christmas connection in Snowtown isn't a single Festive day killing,
but the timing and impact of the discovery. On May
twenty through twenty first, nineteen ninety nine, just months out
from the Australian Winter holidays, police investigating missing persons follow
the trail to a disused bank in a small town
of Snowtown when fan When forensic officers opened the vault,

(58:03):
they were hit with a smell of decomposition and chemicals.
Inside were large plastic barrels filled with acid and human remains.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Assmele like ship, Why is why is the smell so bad?

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:14):
You could, you could say that some of them look
like pe doos, but that one guy, look at that, uh,
look at the guy up top. That looks like some
hunter S Thompson look alike. Yeah, there's is that billy
down there. It's gonna be bad about that one.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Probably inside or large plastic barrels filled with acid and
human remains. Officers later described the horror of realizing they
had been sitting on the floor of that vault eating
lunch before knowing, Wow, it was in the barrels a
few feet away. That's wild, that's sick, that's crazy. Well

(59:00):
I came out in court was a catalog of prolonged
torture victims beaten, electrocuted, strangled, dismembered. The group kept collecting
their welfare payments even after they were dead, ringing government
offices and impersonating them in grotesque phone calls. Some victims
were lured to their debt with false promises of work

(59:20):
or support. One of the killers, Velascus, ended up testifying
against the others, describing scenes so graphic that even seasoned
investigators were shaken.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, just leave it there, Just leave it there. I
got a better idea. Let's tease this, Let's carry on
the next case. This seems so in depth that I
think I would like to cover it, to do an
episode dude, it's wild like that. I want to know,
what the hell do you know?

Speaker 4 (59:45):
There's a movie called The Snowhown Murders that is really
really good.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
I've heard I heard when I was researching now.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
It's one of those things. I remember watching it randomly
on TV years ago, and I actually at the end,
I was actually really bummed out. You know, when you're
kind of like, huh, that was pretty You know when
a movie cover something that's from real life, but they
do it in such a good way that is really
grim and depressing. Like I came away from it going like, wow,

(01:00:13):
that's I actually kind of feel like shit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, And that's like that gets you kind of like
gut going or you just feel like kind of like
in the pit of your stomach kind of awful about it.
So if you guys go back into the Christmas Crime episode,
it was fairly it was like a comical I think
we covered the Daytona Christmas murders. They're one of the
most famous one with a guy named DeMarcus and Marvelous.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
So can you can you tell what.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Yes, no white person is naming their kid DeMarcus or Marvelous,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
There's no way. Do you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Marvelous? It was like the blackest name I've ember heard.
So there was robberies, but I think we'd covered this.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true, you know, but it's uh,
we covered this, I feel like. And it was funny
because this case is what we did with the show

(01:01:16):
called Wolf and the Bull. And I don't know if
they still do podcasts. I know the one guy was
doing history podcast. We got along with them. Well this
was Anton was part of the show and it go
back and let's do it. It's quite funny that we
just had this random like podcast like music like they
had it they had liked like hotel music. And then
Anton was talking about one of the stories is about

(01:01:38):
a guy that flame He took a flamethrower and like
burnt all of his like coworkers alive or some crazy shit.
And the way Anton was doing it was so funny
because it was like it's.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Like welcome to South Carolina when we come down to
the sunny snow and this guy just got a flame
thrower with a pack of whatever it was, and it
was just like perfectly timed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
And the one guy who was interesting enough the show
was a guy and his father in law that would
do the show together. So it was like an interesting
take and we just show on them prior nighted Mushrooms.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
I think they don't do the show anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
I think that he does his own stuff, but I
think that they didn't carry on Wolf in the Bowl.
But it was a good dynamic and one dy was
just die laughing listen to Anton do this and like
this comical voice.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
So we're gonna skip that story.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
And uh, we're gonna bring it straight down to this
one as wild this weird you know, talking about like
Christmas Day witchcraft. But yeah, check that out because we
did cover some true crime and it was fun and
it's it was a ridiculous time and it's it's funny
how long time ago things feel.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Yeah, it's weird, like when you think back to like
the first time we ever recorded, to know, it's all
like huh, I know, it's weird. It's like I don't
like I was trying to like remember and I do remember,
Like well, it's that thing of like what did I like,
what was I doing?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
We like instantly clicked and it was it was it
was a strange time because I met you over TikTok,
And when I first started content, I thought you were
going to be some like maybe forty eight to fifty
five year old like man that just loved horror movies.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
It turns out I was like twelve, yeah, yeah, a.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
Little boy, a little horror boy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Like. Some of these will cover maybe on its own
thing for a Christmas true crime episode, because we could
be doing that in November December thing. But going through these,
I want to get to the cases that I know
that the fans haven't heard of. The Solder Family is
an interesting one that we actually might just cover for Patreon.
I've had it kind of ready for a while, but
this one is interesting one I didn't hear of. It's
called the Christmas Day Witchcraft. It is the torture and

(01:03:52):
drowning of Christy bem You, London, twenty ten. So we
have Christmas Time ten fifteen year old Christie Bamu, That's
what I'm gonna say. It Uh traveled from Paris with
her siblings to spend time over the holidays with their
older sister, Megalee. I would say, like, I have no

(01:04:13):
idea what Megalai, Megalai, megal and her l i e yeah,
and her boyfriend Eric Bukie Bee big b. Well we'll
get to that later. So in East London flat it

(01:04:34):
would have been a simple family visit. Instead it turned
to one of the most sadistic Christmas crimes in modern
British history, tied to beliefs kin dokie a former witchcraft
from the Condoleze community. So it's like, it's not British
culture that started this murder, it's a different type of
culture that started coming in to British culture, you could say,

(01:04:59):
kind of re you know, bringing their witch I saw
a crazy video, dude, uh, And it was like African
people in African gar Africans in African garb and some
sort of small community doing witchcraft and going around this
small little community and just like wave in some sort

(01:05:21):
of magic.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
I don't know what they were doing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
And they're both wearing like, you know, like the weird
like dress as well the tribal symbols, and they got
the little like square hat. It's a little chef hat,
but it's like tribalistic or whatever. And they were like
saying that they were gonna curse everybody in the town.
And I'm like, this is what we're letting in. Come on,
like this is the craziest shit ever, Like people like
kill this cat and you will be sacrificed for our God,

(01:05:44):
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Like absolutely nuts, don't telling, man, give everyone ak give
all the native people and I don't mean natives in
what most people picked it up as, I mean people
native to whatever land it is. Yeah, give all the
people guns.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Because like, how else are you supposed protect them against
this crazy nods.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
And jewel wield and machetes chopping chicken heads off?

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Yeah, so crazy. Some of the videos I've seen online
are absolutely fucking nuts. And so at this point during
the visit, I'm not going to pronounce this guy's name,
Bicky b what's his first name, let's go let's go
by that. His name is Eric, very simple, probably not
his real name, though, became a convinced that Christie has

(01:06:31):
had and some of her younger children were witches, bringing
bad luck to the whole the household. What followed was
not a single outburst of violence, but a sustained campaign
of torture disguy's exorcism. Hey look I'm the captain now,
Like it's so crazy, Like that's nut to be like

(01:06:52):
you are witches.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
I tried to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
We're at that on that Christmas dinner, I was trying
to do my my African and I was like, I
gotta get an African act, saying I get it on point,
you know what I mean, like that kind of like, oh,
I'm tribilistic, you know, we need to sacrifice the virgins.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
You know, it'll serve you well. I think if you
got it lockdown.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Yeah, excod like this is absolutely nuts. So it's like
he's like be like I am convinced you oh witches,
you know. And then he's like, let's let's bring an
end to this. We're gonna we're gonna make some fun exorcism.
That's what we're gonna get into. And over several days,
Christy and her his siblings, Christy and his siblings were
beaten to beaten with sticks, metal bars, and pieces of furniture.

(01:07:39):
But what piece of furniture do you think he's beating
them with.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
I'm trying to think of as I don't take like
the legs off of a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Chair or something, or like yeah, yeah, pieces of furniture,
So you'd have to like set it in or like
it has to be something you relax on. They were
deprived of food and water, and Christie suffered more than
a hundred separate injuries, according to prosecutors, cuts, bruises, fractures.
Neighbors later recalling hearing noises but that they but nothing

(01:08:11):
made them call the police.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
Sounds like a fun community to live in.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
But be honest, So this is a this is a boy. Yeah,
Christy is a boy. Yes, huh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
You know what if you painted a gray alien black,
I feel like this is what he would, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
And so that that chick and do then those are
the ones doing the like yeah, so they're the murdyr
witchcrafty extracist people. I'm guessing yeah, okay, oh yeah it is. Yeah.
Couple jailed for life.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
For absolutely crazy bye Christmas Day. Christy was in such agony,
according to evidence later read out in courts courts, he
begged to die, like that's absolutely insane. And then Eric
and his the chick mag whatever lasted his megalae forced
the children into the bathroom for a cleansing ritual. Filling

(01:09:12):
the bath and Christy, weak injured, couldn't keep himself upright.
He slipped under and drowned. A simbling siblings beaten but alive.
They described how their brother was attacked with a hammer
and a chisel, how he was accused again and again
of sorcery and told to confess. The whole thing was

(01:09:33):
framed as getting rid of demons, but it was nothing
more than ritualistic Sadism is absolutely insane and worthy on
drugs because this is either way. I know, I maybe
made five, may have made fun of the victim, not
my fault, I didn't know, but like this, this whole
case is absolutely insane. Is that what they did to
him is fucking terrible. Man, that's crazy that they're like,

(01:09:56):
you have a demon in you. I'm gonna have to like,
let me see this ham, I'm gonna drive the demon out.
You see this chisel, We're gonna bash against your nose
far enough.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Here's a question, right, and I know this is probably
a pretty big question, So we can just gloss over
it and maybe talk about on a rand episode or
something sometimes. Yeah, but so say, in a situation like that, right,
are you of the mind that so like there's people
close to me and like, you know, these conversations always
come up, like it'll probably come up again around Christmas.
We'll start talking about some bullshit to do with immigration

(01:10:27):
or something, and we'll end up on all these crazy
topics about stuff. So there's like people in my family
who are of the mind that if you take a
life or anything like that, you forfeit your own instantly,
and it's just debt. There should be no like way
about it. It's just like, Okay, yeah, you need to
go to court and have it all put through the
court system. But like death is the only there is

(01:10:49):
no option for like life and prise.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
It depends, it depends what it is right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
And then I have like so then I do I
get that argument. You know, it's like, Okay, if you've
taken someone's life and whatever, in a situation like this,
both of you should just be killed, like there's no
need to Yeah, that's it, like you forfeit everything. The
other side of that is, though, sometimes with sick motherfuckers
like this, I kind of feel like that's a kind
of a cop out. Though you get to just like

(01:11:17):
just die by lethal injection or something, which is not
really going to be that bad. I know, ultimately, like
probably nobody wants to die, but like it's kind of
a cop out, Like I think if you said to me,
if I'd done something super fucked up and tomorrow you
told me, right, iron, you have two options. You can
spend the rest of your life in prisons with a

(01:11:40):
lot of lunatics, or you can just get an injection
and just die.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
I think I just that's what they're doing to Canadians, right.
It's like, do you want to like the whole Made program?
I don't want to get too much into it. You.
While I was out getting some food and then I
heard this woman talk about her ex husband and how
he's like, oh, shoot, he was suffering, so whatever, he
just got the Made program. And it's like, I don't.

(01:12:07):
I don't know if that's like, how do you know
you're gonna die? Right, I've done a lot of people
are getting sick recently and having issues and things that are.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Like detrimental to their health.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
People I know and carabout and stuff, and it's it's
this thing of like what if they could have pulled through?

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
But when it comes to like murder, though, I think
if it's out of self defense, that's why you have
to be you know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Put Yeah, sorry I didn't frame the question correct.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
But if someone randomly is a random act of murder,
like Jeffrey Dahmer just picking up some sort of Puerto
Rican boy because he likes that he has no hair
on his chest and then murders him. I think probably
you should be put to death, because like you could
study these people and figure out and try to do
methods to rehabilitate them at the end of the day.

(01:12:57):
But I think at some point, if you're doing heinous
acts of murder that just violently murders somebody for like
no motive, no reason, I think maybe then the death
penalty is warranted.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
And it's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
It's funny because you have the same people right that
like don't want the death penalty that like abortions. So
it's there's a lot of hypocritical things going on, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
It's it's just an interesting one to me because I've
often thought about this for some reason. I don't know why,
but like, I don't know what's worse in my mind
now I don't agree with like. So, for example, we
have a couple of prisons here in Ireland that criminals
will look forward to going to. I know of guys

(01:13:41):
from the area I live in that are notorious for
being in trouble for assaults and fucking robberies and just
crazy shit all the time, and like around December, they
will purposely do something to end up in prison over
the holidays because they get it so chilled out, Like
they have PlayStation, they fucking get present. They like they

(01:14:03):
chill out, they get Christmas date.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yah. It's like Charles Manson was like he was so
like he was happy about it because it gave him
some poort to go something to eat.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
You know, he felt that also.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
It's like, you know, I know someone like Trump is mad,
like he's talking about like going to Anamo Bay and stuff,
and he's like, yeah, we need to like open all
that stuff back up and have it really grim and
sick and horrible. And do you think which do you
think is a worse punishment? Because I do think, right,
if you're going to have prisons for somebody's sick, pedophile,
creepy murder torture people, they need to go into some sick,

(01:14:36):
grim place like that to suffer and ship. Yeah, Like
I think it needs to be like if you've ever
seen there's a movie called in Hell with John Clavehan
Dam and he ends up in like Surbia or Russia
or somewhere, and like it is the sickest fucking like
it's like some sort of goo leg. It's the most

(01:14:57):
miserable looking shitthle I've ever seen. And I personally think,
if you're gonna put somebody these sicos in somewhere, it
needs to like that there is no Wi Fi, there
is no fucking Netflix and PlayStation and like you're me commissary,
like let's get chocolate and snacks and stuff that should
be just gone.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
No, it's interesting too, like and I was just thinking
about it too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
It's just like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
We uh, for the fans out there, I'm wanting to like,
you know, the direction of the show. There's still gonna
be deep dives into things and stuff like that, but
I'm actually wanted with the fans think is is I
had we had more Christmas murders, but we're almost at
like an hour fifteen. We were like condensing time. There's
a part of me of things like maybe for some things,
especially if they're like a bunch of different cases, we

(01:15:43):
should keep them short and sweet and then get our
thoughts across. Because I feel like the more that I'm
getting older and doing this show, so as it is
nice to just vent and talk and really discuss these
ideas rather than really trying to add in all the
extra fluff of a cake. So obviously, for some things,
big deep dives, we're gonna have to include all the

(01:16:03):
details because I'm always curious of what you or Billy
may think or even get my own thoughts crossed about
some of the more secure, like murder of what they're doing.
Like I was like those details of like oh he
was like he pulled out five fingernails and then ate
them and then ship it out, you know what I mean?
Like those weird, Like I know those are weird, Like
details were like, holy fuck, you actually do that. But

(01:16:24):
pardon of me thinks that we should kind of keep
some of this stuff that we're doing going forward. I
love to hear the fans like short and sweet, like
I have this thing pulled up where it's like, you know.
In d C. Twenty seventeen, Andrew Berry was convicted of
killing his two young daughters, Aubrey and Chloe, on Christmas
Day in Oak Bay, BC. This must have been in Canada,

(01:16:45):
hours before he was due to return to their mother.
He recently lost them to their mother and lost a
bid for parole. So I'm like won like if the
fans think that, because me and Aaron especially get into
these talks.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Right, Yeah, it's haired sometimes because like I don't even
know how the conversation kind of there's always like an
adjacent conversation. So like that, just when you know, you
said about one of them, the dude got hard years
and the chick got twenty five whatever, he just got
me thinking about that. Yeah, is that the correct punishment though?
To get Okay, I know, ultimately, like nobody wants to

(01:17:20):
be in prison, no matter how comfortable it is. But
at the same time, is it right for someone to
do that to a fifteen year old boy and be
able to go, well, you know what, worst case scenario,
I'm going to go somewhere where I can play PlayStation
and do whatever. Okay, maybe I have last maybe I've
lost my freedom, but technically I can still have netflicks
and like PlayStation.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Some of those people that just love being in jail, though, yeah,
there is.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Like I said, there's people local to hear like that.
Will It's like a common thing that they say, we're
like coming up to Christmas because lot those motherfuckers don't
really have any place to go, so they go in
for Christmas for almost six weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
In Canada, it's called the shit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
So why not break a crime like break break a crime,
break the law, commit a crime, and then you get
locked up and then you have a warm place to
stay and you have food and stuff like that that
the system pays for. Right So at the end of
the day, like that is possible that there would be people, Uh,
you know, maybe next time we'll do a bigger like
next year we'll do a focus on Maybe we'll do

(01:18:21):
a whole month of true crime Christmas, you know what
I mean, Because there's a possibility because I just feel
like we can get into so many of these different
thoughts about things, and there's like some pretty big cases
about this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
I'd like to do murders. Yeah, I'll be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
I think that's a good idea because that shit is
bizarre because I just realized, you know, that there's so
much to these cases and even like there's like the
gold Mark family murders, a political, politically motivated anti Semitic
attack from a misguided killer targeted the listen to the

(01:18:59):
name though old Mark, like you named your name, your
family name, is like my name is is uh is
Auschwitz gold Bar, you know what I mean? Like it's
just so absurd. Some of the my name is Schmidt Goldhouse.
You know, it's a it's supposed to be leading a
high profile trial and capital punishment debates. Uh so he

(01:19:23):
this guy, this misguid to killer targeted the family. Uh.
There's what I look at. This is this is this
one unsolved holiday mysteries. Burger Chef murders in nineteen seventy
eight foreign employees employees disappeared from a Burger Chef that
must be a restaurant in Indiana on the day near Christmas,

(01:19:43):
and their bodies were found later, but the murders were
never caught. The murders were never caught, making a prominent
unsolved crime interesting because I did even see those, and
I was looking up some of the murder cases that
we're covering, like some of the true crime Christmas stuff.
It is surprisingly and actually it's not surprising, but how
much murder occurs on Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
You know people's had enough? Yeah, yeah, like I could
see us. It's like that time of a year and
like just all it takes is one little thing is
just snap here, Like I have enough of that, and
now when I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
If you really don't have a lot of family and
stuff like that, or maybe you're you and your family
don't get along or stuff like that, I could see
it like leading to people snapping. You know, it is crazy. Yeah,
I wanted to cover this and try to do it
within good time. You know, I'm a busy guy being

(01:20:34):
a dad and stuff now, and we're trying to shorten
these episodes up and when we do deep dives, we're
really going to get into the meat of it. But
you know, so we appreciate everyone that listened. And if Aaron,
do you have any thoughts or anythings you were looking
up or just.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
As regards to Christmas, I don't know thinking about Christmas, no,
but I do Christs earlier about the idea of you know,
I've been in situations as I'm sure many people listen
and have where you know, maybe you're out of family
gathering or something, and family who are not together most
of the year get together and it starts out fine,

(01:21:15):
and then people like alcohol gets involved, or maybe there's
not even alcohol, maybe there's some weird family tension that
starts to boil over, and I can say that if
maybe I don't know, maybe if you're a little bit
fucking gone in the head, or if there's like alcohol
or drugs or something going on there, maybe you could
just snap and be like, you know what, I've had enough,
I'm going to do something crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like

(01:21:37):
the loss And I think it's it's that thing like
where it's maybe afterwards when you calm down again and
you're like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Oh fuck, like think about it. Is this dude like
legit like the loss of family one. It's just the
creepiest one. And you know, just look at all the
people that are like, oh shit, man, you know, surrounded
by the coffins and what happened in the house. Is
it like this thing of like he's taking that picture,
you know, and he's.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Like he knows and he knows and he was like
to be dead.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
No, that's so crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
I enjoyed this, and I actually want to know the fans' opinions,
like should we uh stick to smaller cases and like
I'm not saying that in general we'll be doing deep
dives because I like doing them, but you know, for
the fans like hearing our thoughts more like, I'm curious
if we should do more of a try to break
things down more in point form and and and really

(01:22:29):
contextualize and talk about the subject. So you know, we
have a lot of fans out there, and you know,
you can email us, even at Strange Podcast at gmail
dot com. I don't share her stuff often enough. More
and more people I see are, especially in the last
couple of weeks, have been subscribing the Patreon. We appreciate
that it's gonna be more content for that, but there's
stuff I want to cover for Patriot, even some of

(01:22:50):
these true crime stories and stuff. There's an old Christmas
special that's only a Patreon and stuff like that you
guys can check out.

Speaker 5 (01:22:57):
But you know, I I just one of the fans.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Thoughts like, do you like when we break down these
big subjects and get into the details and reading kind
of off articles, or would you like to hear more
of our thoughts about these said articles?

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
I feel like people might appreciate us asking and you
can email us or put it in Spotify or leave
a review and tell us what you like and what
you think we should. You know, I'm curious that the
fans think, you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Know, yeah, it'll be interesting to hear what the feedback is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
I'll be honest, yeah, because I do find that, especially
me and you, just because we've gotten so close to
doing this. We always like just break stuff down and
we are really analyzing and then we get into stories
by our lives or you asked some pretty good questions,
but I think is entertaining. So I'm just like curious
because we did have a lot more to cover on
this show and many more stories, and then I'm like,

(01:23:54):
it is hard to like cover these, you know paragraph
you know, deep dives into each case and give you
all the details without us giving our true thoughts about
some of this stuff. And it will lead to more
true crime Christmas episodes that we can cover. But I
was just feeling in the mood where I kind of
wanted to ask the fans what they think, and I

(01:24:14):
was just enjoying our conversation rather than trying to really
cut it off and then go to the next story,
you know, which a lot of shows do.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
So it's curious. Yeah, yeah, it'd be interesting to see.
And I think a lot of times those questions we
bring up and I find this sometimes when I listen
to a podcast if there's two hosts or a guest
or something, they're having a conversation about a question or
a topic. I feel like I'm kind of like then
I'm starting to as i'm listening, Like I said, if i'm driving,

(01:24:42):
i'm listening to something, I'm starting to as I'm listening
to their take, I'm going like, Okay, what's my take
on that question? Or how do I feel about that? Actually?
Does that something that I've ever thought about?

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Yeah? Yeah, I like that, And I'm I want to
create an entertaining show that everyone can enjoy. And where
I was in this long Deep Dives, but I'm starting
to think that some of these topics that we could
really discuss and we could just kind of give our
own thoughts. It was just a thought I had during
on this one where I'm like, you know, we could
maybe have a little more fun doing some rant episodes,

(01:25:12):
doing some more stuff they you know, they'll also get
on the Patreon, but things that so uh people can
just enjoy the conversation rather than being maybe so structured,
like we've always kind of done it and I'm like,
we've never been really structured, but you know, maybe it's
a little more fun to have a little more fun,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that. I think through
whole credit card.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
You got it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
That's a straight perfect the actual one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Yeah, let's see how it matches up. I had fun
with this. We have more stuff that's coming for Christmas.
Make sure it joined us December twenty first, for the
Christmas special.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
We'll really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
We're gonna do a watch along on I gets it
will be out by the time this comes out, so
definitely go check that out. It'll definitely rumble. I'm gonna
try to put on my YouTube and rumble. Aaron's gonna
have on his stuff and see, I think YouTube might
be able to take her to do Deadly Salni Deadly
Night Part two, Watch Along.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Billy's gonna join us.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Uh, so time you hear this will be on Rumble
and at least at least Rumble on YouTube hopefully YouTube
so on our end and on Aaron's end, Class horror cast,
all that good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
You know, Yes, please check it out. Support there's lots
of Christmasy stuff over the next two weeks and then
hopefully we start the new year with a bang.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Yeah, we have some ideas and fun stuff to kind
of introduce Billy into class or casts too. So I
definitely go check that out our horror podcast. Uh, you know,
I don't know. I felt in this strange moods and
I just wanted to show out the stuff and and
you know, if you guys want to support, I'd really
appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
And if you guys think.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
I'm getting down to the wires, because like things are
getting busy around my household and we're trying to tighten
the ship up a bit, right being a father now,
and I can't sit here and do three hour episodes
every time, so and I'd love to do it, but
it's a science not feasible anymore. So we're gonna introduce
some different concepts to the show and have a lot
of fun. That's what I plan on doing. You know,

(01:27:16):
I'm getting to some interesting stuff. I got some really controversial,
interesting stuff that's coming to So.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
That should be fun. Sounds good to me, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
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