Step into the world of evidence-based paranormal investigation with Kevin Otte, a veteran ghost hunter and star of Haunted Discoveries. Having documented unexplained phenomena across 57 episodes spanning five seasons, Kevin brings a refreshingly methodical approach to a field often dominated by dramatic reactions and exaggerated claims.
Our conversation reveals the fascinating intersection of history and haunting, as Kevin details his team's commitment to preserving historical narratives through paranormal investigation. From the mysterious light phenomenon at Harriman Hospital that defied explanation to the centuries-old Jailer's Inn with its documented ghost stories dating back to the early 1900s, each location offers a window into both the past and the unexplained. What sets Haunted Discoveries apart is their scientific approach—using specialized equipment including their custom Atmospheric Phenomenon Logger to document environmental changes that correlate with paranormal activity.
Perhaps most compelling is Kevin's exploration of thought-form manifestation—the possibility that repeatedly telling stories about a location might actually create paranormal phenomena there. This concept raises profound questions about the nature of reality itself. Are we merely documenting what's already there, or could our collective consciousness be creating these experiences? As Kevin shares his experiences investigating not only ghosts but also UFO phenomena as Kentucky's MUFON chief investigator, the boundaries between different types of unexplained events begin to blur.
The conversation takes fascinating turns through discussions of shadow people, the mysterious Hat Man entity, and whether sleep paralysis might represent moments when humans briefly perceive entities from beyond "the veil." Throughout it all, Kevin maintains the perspective of his law enforcement background: examining evidence, eliminating conventional explanations, and building a case for what remains unexplained.
For anyone fascinated by the paranormal but tired of theatrics, this episode offers a thoughtful exploration of what happens when we approach the unexplained with curiosity, respect, and scientific rigor. Watch for Season 5 of Haunted Discoveries coming in early 2023, and catch past episodes streaming on Haunt TV.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening everyone .
Welcome back to StrangeDeranged Beyond Insane.
And tonight I have our co-host,jen, here with us, and then we
also have Kevin from HauntedDiscovery, so we're going to let
them do some Q&As and we'regoing to get to know Kevin.
Go ahead, jen, start it offwith you, hi, kevin.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Why don't you go ahead and tell us a little bit
about yourself and the show?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah.
So going back, I startedinvestigating probably around
2006, I guess 2007, somewhere inthat area, with a team called
Cape Girardeau ParanormalResearch out of Missouri, and
moved to LA in 2008, I'm sorry,2009.
(00:52):
And shortly after I moved,there is when I met Brandon and
we stayed in touch ever since.
We'd done a few investigationstogether in LA over the years
and 2018, I moved kentucky,started working for a production
company here and um decided wewanted to do a paranormal show,
and so I reached out to brandonand you know to see what we
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could get put together andhaunted discoveries evolved out
of that awesome um, that's youdogs.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know stupid dogs, sorry um with uh Haunted
Discoveries.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Do you have a favorite episode that you guys
have done?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
oh, we've so far we've filmed five seasons, uh,
four seasons have been released.
The fifth one is still beingedited.
There have been some prettymemorable locations throughout
our runs.
I think we've done 57 episodesso far, something like that 56.
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Uh, some of the most memorableI mean gosh, we had so many.
I mean um, one of the ones thatkind of sticks out the most for
me would probably be, uh,season 4, episode 12, when we
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were down in Harlan, kentucky,down in the coal coal area and
just um some stuff weencountered on that episode.
Um season four, we also did thetown of rugby in Tennessee.
That was pretty interesting.
We had some good stuff going onthere.
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We were in the town for, Ithink, seven days total and um
really cool place.
It's just a small society.
A lot of the um family of theoriginal founders are still in
the area, so that's kind of coolokay, and some of the original
houses are still there.
A lot of them now are bed andbreakfasts so you can actually
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go stay there.
Christy and Miranda that runthe Scott County Jail in
Tennessee, they also do theAfter Dark Tours in Rugby, and
so they got a pretty cool littlesetup there to go check out the
places we've done throughoutKentucky.
I mean, perryville has beengreat.
Brandon is a resident ofPerryville.
Perryville has been great.
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Uh, brandon is a resident ofPerryville now and has the uh,
dr JJ Polk house that he boughtand just opened that up for
investigations.
That's a really cool place.
We had some really goodactivity there which, uh, you
know that'll be coming outwhenever season five is released
.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh, awesome that's going to be on that season.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's on season five, awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, that looks like a really nice house.
I saw that he I believe heposted that on his Facebook
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no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We're going to take one technical break.
Hey everyone, welcome back.
We had a little bit of atechnical difficulty.
This is the third time now thatwe're trying to record with
Kevin and he has been such agood sport.
Thank you, and now, Jenny, youcan proceed.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm sorry, go ahead, um so we were talking about
haunted discoveries.
Now I would like to talk aboutthe Harriman hospital.
I know we um discussed that onthe first round of uh, this
podcast.
We tried doing um the light youguys found or saw um.
That was super, superinteresting and I like Harriman
hospital as a whole, like a lotof things I've you.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
They have been in Waverly Hills episode too,
Didn't they the light down thehall?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Not like this.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
No, this was crazy.
I like um and I don't want toget her name wrong the girl in
the in the show with you.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Malia.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yes, she, if I remember correctly, compared it
to Close Encounters of the ThirdKind.
Oh, she was like.
It was like.
I mean it lit up like windows.
I have to see that I haven'tgotten to that one yet.
It looked like someone put likehigh beams on a door.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And what do you personally think that might have
been?
If you have any thoughts onthat?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What gets me the most interesting with that clip is
you don't see it as much in thefull frame, but later on, when
Brandon's showing it to Mustafaon the small monitor, right
before that happens, youactually see a shadow go across
the frame, shoot down thehallway and about the time it
blasts through the double doorsis when you see the light emit
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from the other side.
Again, keep in mind they didnot see this light with their
eyes, it was only happening onthe screen.
So they could look down, see iton the screen, look up and it's
still a pitch black hallway.
Yeah, that was reallyinteresting look down, see it on
the screen, look up and it'sstill a pitch black hallway.
Yeah, that was reallyinteresting.
And what I really findinteresting is, right after that
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happens, you have the two solidmetal hospital doors.
You have the two windows at thetop, but in the middle of the
windows there is a circle oflight on solid doors no idea
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what, where, where, how thatcould happen.
It reminded me of, like youknow, in ghostbusters, when
they're upstairs in that hoteland slimer goes through the wall
and leaves that residue on theback side.
Yeah, that's what it reminds meof.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It's like a residue of that shadow shooting through
those doors yeah, as soon, assoon as you said Ghostbusters, I
knew what you were going to say.
And no, I think she said sheeither said close encounters or
she said like a UFO.
I don't remember exactly howshe phrased it, but I was like,
wow, that's perfect, becausethat's exactly what it looked
like to me, because it lit upthe hole.
That was pretty crazy to see.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, that was wild.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So Sorry, that was wild.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So Sorry, that was me .
My cord was tangled.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You're good, you're good.
Just threw me off because I waslike, oh, she's not used to
hearing herself.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, I don't like it.
You want to start singing?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I knew oh no, I knew, oh no.
So with can you just kind ofgive us maybe a description or
kind of what you guys look forwhen you go into an
investigation?
Like do people contact youwanting to figure out like
what's going on or the reasoningbehind it?
Like, what do you guys go in tofind?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So we really like.
I mean, one of the biggestthings with APRA is the history
and preservation of history ofthese locations and so going
into them, we like to haveplaces that have a good
historical significance to it,as well as paranormal claims,
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using equipment a lot ofequipment, not necessarily made
for paranormal investigating totry to document as much as we
can collect data that can beanalyzed by a third party.
It's a lot of these places havefamilial connections to them,
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which is really interesting.
It's not all your haunted,scary ghostly stuff.
There's a lot of like seasonone episode one, when we did
Conrad Caldwell House, Once webrought Beth in, who is an
ancestor of the family, it waslike her grandmother had reached
out, because we picked up thatvoice of her grandmother saying
her name and so it was a veryloving type haunting.
(08:51):
When we investigated Whitehallthe lady we interviewed there
she said it's not haunted, it'sinhabited.
She said this is their houseand so not everything's your
scary ghost running around typestuff.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, slamming doors and appearing to go to your bed
in the middle of the night,right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And it's about preserving these places, it's
about telling their historyaccurately, backing it up with
documentation and that type ofstuff backing it up with
documentation and that type ofstuff.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Oh, I would think that that helps a lot of
locations out, kind of because Iknow some people when they hear
of a place being haunted theyautomatically don't want to go
in.
So I think if they hear thehistory and it's not necessarily
anything bad it may help thelocation out with.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Uh, yeah, yeah, and when you um, you know, start
involving you know ghost storieswith these locations, people
are more apt to learn about thehistory.
Because you know, like I alwayssay, it's like you tell people,
oh, you want to hear some coolhistory, they're like eh, you
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want to hear ghost story?
Yeah, let's, let's hear one.
So you put the two together andthen they're like, they learn
the history without realizingthey're learning the history
yeah, I can't say I used to beone of those people so it's like
tell me the scary I don't evenlook, I don't even want.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I'd like to go into places blindfolded now, yeah, I
don't even want to know, I justwant to see what I pick up, and
then I like to do research afterI like that method, though I
know a few investigators that doit that way Sometimes you can't
help yourself, though I do havea question for you, and I know
we talked about this last timeSince you've come onto this show
now this show you said everyoneis live Like it's not
(10:38):
pre-recordings, right?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So do you feel like you've gotten like more or less
on activity since you've now youhave like a whole filming, like
production thing going on, ordo you feel like you had more
activity before?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think a lot of it just depends on the energy.
Yeah, you know, when we're inplaces, it's us with a camera
person and a sound person.
It's not like a wholeproduction crew in there
following us around.
No, we still keep it verylimited to the amount of people
inside the location.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh good, less noise.
I guess too yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Less noise, less contamination.
But, yeah, we keep it as smalland controlled and contained as
possible.
And again, I think a lot of itjust has to do with the energy
of the people and, um, you know,kind of our thoughts going into
the places okay now.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Um, like we were just talking about, you know history
and hauntings go hand in hand,usually with each other.
Um, have you ever gone into alocation where that may not have
fit?
Like you come across somethingthat has no ties to the building
or anything like that, wherethe history kind of doesn't line
up with the property?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We have had places like that, where you know
there's some places we go whereit's just hard to find any
history of the property.
There's been places where, like, I can't think of the place
right off hand but where, like,a fire destroyed a lot of the
documents.
There wasn't a lot to be ableto research and stuff like that.
So we just had to do the bestthat we can with what we have
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and hopefully be able to getsome answers.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, that would be hard.
I know there's places we'veinvestigated where they couldn't
tell us too much of what couldbe going on there, just because
the history is pretty mucherased.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And then you take places like, let's say, bobby
Mackey's, for instance.
When that was there, you knowyou had the whole story about
the well from hell and how allthis pig's blood was drained
down and stuff like that, whichwas never the fact.
Yes, there was a slaughterhouseon that property, but it was up
further on the property per theSanborn fire maps.
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Um, where Bobby Mackey's was,that well was actually part of
the distillery and that's howthey would bring in water for
the distilling process from theLicking River.
So very doubtful that there wasever any type of pig's blood
ever drained in that well oranything like that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
See, that's good to know because you hear so many
different stories and urbanlegends and everything that goes
around with these places.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, and like the whole story of Pearl Bryan,
she never had a connection toBobby Mackey's.
You know, they may have drivenpast there after she was killed
or whatever like that, but shewas never associated with the
location.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Huh, so the whole thing with her head being thrown
in a well, very doubtful Wow,okay, yeah, I think I heard that
her head was thrown in thereand then, like, found it down
the stream or something.
No, what did you think of?
You?
Investigated at Bobby Mackey'sright.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I've been there a few times.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, what did you think of the location?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's an active location.
It's not the demonic chairsgetting thrown at you like
people claim that it is.
So if you're going in therewith kind of that thought
process're going to bedisappointed, yeah, but it is an
active place and that place hasquite the history back when it
was ran by the mob as the latinquarter and stuff like that.
There's been a lot of historyin and out of that place yeah,
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I'm a big believer in um.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
The type of energy you bring into a location is
kind of what you get returnedback to you.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
We have a lot of places here, through Detroit,
through Chicago, with a lot ofmob action.
Yeah, all through Chicago.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, Chicago has a ton, Well Michigan actually has
more.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Really, you didn't know that Purple gang girl, the
best gang there is, tell herBest, gang there is.
Tell her, kevin.
You know about the Purple Gang,the Robinson Hospital in Elginy
, elginy how do you say that?
Oh my God, there's so manyplaces.
Have you been there?
Mm-mm, you'll have to go there,kevin.
You guys should definitely goand check that place out the
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basement.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Fun place.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I mean there's a lot of different information.
But if you're into the mobs, Imean I love the mob history,
just because there's so muchcookie crumbs behind it and
people are still trying tofigure it out and that's why
paranormal is so into themobsters, because a lot of them
hid out after being shot A lotof them, you know, at these
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hospitals and they brought allthat energy there and a lot of
them hit out after being shot.
A lot of them, you know, atthese hospitals and they brought
all that energy there and a lotof them died too.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, A lot of them had secret locations.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
A lot of them committed stuff that they yeah,
you know did stuff theyshouldn't have done in these
locations, that's what I likedabout investigating in Hollywood
and stuff like that, as youhave that old Hollywood history
investigating in Hollywood andstuff like that, as you have
that old Hollywood history, theold make it or break it,
scandalous type stuff, and thatwas a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Have you been to the CISO hotel?
I was thinking that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I've I've been to it.
I've not investigated, but Ihave been to it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You have, oh my, and you survived it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
He's walked in and walked around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's it's a creepy place it's got a vibe to it and
it's not in a very good place.
Uh, part of town.
No, it's in a very bad town.
Yeah, yeah, real close, I wantto go so bad, yeah, that story.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't remember that girl's name, uh, may eliza lamb
.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a.
That's a very interesting, canyou?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
imagine drinking that water and telling them like
there's something wrong withthis water, Like it stinks, Like
it tastes weird yeah.
And then you find out there wasa body rotting in there, that's
oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, and I think the craziest thing about her story
is like when she goes into theelevator.
You can I mean you can explainthat kind of with.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You know, mental health problems, medicine she
might have been on, because Iknow.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Well, that's what they tried to do.
This documentary I watched,yeah.
The crazy part is, though, whenthey showed the tank that she
was floating in, her actuallygetting in that and having to
remove the cover off of that,which they said was virtually
impossible for somebody her size.
To me that is the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Well, they glitched in the evidence to the um.
What do they call the camera?
See something to see?
The security camera?
Yeah, like the cctv yeah it,you can tell where it glitched
like they covered it up.
Yeah, it's just uh someonekilled her.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's a that's a very interesting case, and uh
there was a um night stalkeryeah night stalker is connected
to the he's an ugly son of abitch.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
If I would have woke up and he was at the end of my
bed, I would have just been likeI'm dead, he is out of.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
He's a creepy dude.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, he's a creepy dude there's actually been a few
serial killers associated withthat hotel really.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I don't know if I read about any.
I know I was watching adocumentary on Richard Ramirez.
That's where I heard he hadties to the Cecil.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
A lot of them did the Cecil's a.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think that's like Probably because it was kind of
a shady hotel, yeah, and it wasin a bad neighborhood.
Well, hollywood's shady LA.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Can you imagine the energy going into those places?
I would just be like, oh yeah,I would love it though.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
There's a lot of oh the cemeteries too Tragedy that
happened over there, but okay.
So how long have you beenpersonally investigating the
paranormal?
Did you start, as just you know, when you were little Kevin or?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I've always been little Kevin.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, a little whippersnapper.
I've always been little Kevin.
Yeah, a little whippersnapper.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I started when I I mean, I've always had an
interest in it, but when I wasworking for the Sheriff's
Department in Missouri I wasdoing some side work for a
private investigator and him andhis wife had a team and I went
out with them for my first timeand that's kind of when I got
hooked and that was like 2007, Ithink.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Okay, do you remember where you went, like where you
investigated?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We went to a private residence that was actually
owned by his brother up inLouisiana, missouri.
It was a Victorian house builtin 1868, I believe.
Oh, and it was actually.
It was called the Old MaccoonCollege and it was the first
co-ed college west of theMississippi.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Wow, okay, so it had a good amount of history to it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Good amount of history, good stories to it.
It was a lot of fun.
I got hooked after that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I think we all have that one place, that kind of
hooked us.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
We actually spent the weekend in the house, so it was
fun sleeping in it too.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Did you get any personal activity?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We got a couple of really good Class A EVPs.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh yeah, I love EVPs.
That's my favorite thing to geton an investigation.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
When you asked him that, what if he would have told
you he came out of the wombinvestigating?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
That would have been pretty cool.
Would you have believed him?
Yeah, that would be prettysweet coming out with a little
recording.
Yep, do you have any likefavorite equipment you like
using specifically?
Like I said, I love doing EVPs.
That's my favorite go-to onevery investigation.
But what would yours be?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So in Season 4, we got a device called the APL that
a guy built for us, theAtmospheric Phenomenon Logger,
and it's kind of similar to likean EDI Plus but it has your
temperature, your barometricpressure, your humidity, your
EMF, it has vibration, it hasmotion sensor and all that stuff
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.
It has motion sensor and allthat stuff.
And he actually built us a newone that would premiere in
Season 5.
That has a live graph on thefront of it and it records it to
an SD card as well.
So if we get anything on that,we can actually take it out and
analyze the data.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
That's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So that and I like the you know we have the EMCCD
camera which picks up singlephoton events and that type of
stuff.
Really interesting camera touse, especially if we can
correlate things on that withother devices.
Okay, for example, our Waverlyepisode in Season 3, we
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documented a photon event.
At the same time we documentedan emf spike on the edi and it
threw our magnetic compass off10 degrees on our um weather
logger.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Wow, that's pretty.
All three happened at once allthree at the same time and it's
on camera wow, can you explainmaybe to whoever's listening, if
they may not know what like aphoton event is, can you explain
what that is?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I wish I really could .
Okay, it's like balls of energyand we're trying to see, if you
know, if there's anycorrelation between those and
alleged paranormal activity.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Oh, okay, that makes sense, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's why it seems like a lot of times, before we
capture something on that or wehave, you know, emf hits on
devices and stuff like that.
It seems like it alwayscorrelates with a change in
barometric pressure.
So we're really looking into,you know, anytime we have
pressure hits on our devices,that's one thing we pay
attention to, because it justseems like it correlates a lot
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do you think that that might besomething?
trying to use the atmosphere tolike manifest, or very possible,
very possible, I think, thatspirits can manipulate the
environment and um, if you watchour spin-off series, haunted
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discoveries, family spirits um.
When season three and four comeout, we actually test some of
those theories okay, all right,that's great.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I love when you have like multiple hits on equipment
like that.
We um yeah, I recently did umone of my lives at the uh horror
museum in monroe and we had aum device that measured static
electricity and I had a rem podand then we had an sls camera
going and all at the same time,like, the static device went off
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, the rem pod went off and thenthere was like a little flash of
something on the sls camera.
Like it all happened at theexact same time and I thought
that was so cool, even though itwas like just kind of a real
quick little blip.
It was just.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I was like I love being able to document stuff
like that, yeah, correlating iton multiple devices yeah, so um,
I do have a question too,because I wanted to remember
this one, because I forgot whatyou said saying about equipment
going off at one time.
What do you think about, um,like paranormal happening like
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ufos at the same time and proofof some type of otherworldly,
because I have actually took ascreenshot of it so I could show
you guys the alien story withChristina.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What happens when, like, allworlds collide, cryptids, all
that together?
Do you think that's allparanormal or do you think it's
still separate?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I wouldn't say it's all paranormal, but I think they
may be closer related thanpeople think they are.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, what do you think brings that?
What do you think brings themtogether?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's why we investigate.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But do you think like ?
Us like trying to makecommunication, we're like
calling out to other things.
We don't realize that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think that's a possibility.
I think it opens up thatpossibility.
We actually did an episode atthis place called the Benton
Farmhouse I think it was episode12 of season two and there was
a lot of UFO history with thathouse and what we documented
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there seemed to lean almost alittle bit more towards an
extraterrestrial type hauntingokay, yeah, that makes me think
of the um skinwalker ranch,because you have everything
there you have the ufos, oh yeahparanormal.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
You have the cryptids , you have skinwalker, like
everything seems to be there,which is interesting.
When you think of that, youknow all of it being related and
together.
Or does it have something to dowith the land or it's stuff
that just keeps youinvestigating because you want
answers.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Right, right, and that's why I love investigating.
It's like let's see what we canfind out.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, that's what I love.
I love getting the answers.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And when I investigate you know, even you
know, when I investigate UFOsightings I also I'm a chief
investigator for Kentucky fromMUFON, the Mutual UFO Network,
and when I get cases in that andwhen I get cases paranormal, I
still look at things like frommy law enforcement perspective,
like if I was presenting thisevidence to a court, you know
how would I, how would I putthis up to explain this Cause?
You know, an attorney could saywell, you know it, it could be
(25:50):
this, it could be.
But let's look at process alone, process of elimination.
Here's why it's not that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And I take the most basic things and then like, okay
, why, what supports or doesn'tsupport what this is?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Have you, while you've been investigating with
that group, have you ever beento a location that has
paranormal claims and UFO claims?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That Benton Farmhouse oh that okay.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Have you guys investigated any Masonic temples
in Kentucky?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We have actually investigated any Masonic temples
in Kentucky.
We have actually that actuallycame out in season four we did
the Masonic Lodge inElizabethtown Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Nice, and how did you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It was interesting.
I kind of had the thought youknow, are we going to get
anything?
Because we are asking questionsand we're not members of the
masonic temple oh, that's a goodpoint you know, will they
actually talk to us for being inthere?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
this is actually a masonic oh sorry temple bible.
Can I, can you see it?
Oh nice with my hand, which Iam not supposed to touch it
because I'm a female, but donleft it up in the attic and we
were investigating up in theattic.
But, um, that creep.
There's a lot of layers to that.
That's another one that's kindof like brings a lot together at
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one time now haunt tv, which iswhere haunted discovery streams
at.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
They have, um, you know you can catch it on, like
when it airs on haunt, which isfree streaming through, like 2b
roku, vizio, stuff like that.
But they also have a lot of ourepisodes on the haunt tv
youtube page and I know thatthat episode is on there yeah, I
actually saw the title for that.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I have not watched that one yet, though I gotta I.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I need to catch up a lot.
I watched the waverly hills onewith you guys.
I really liked, I like, I likeyour tactics.
You guys are very like on point.
You keep it moving.
It's not, it doesn't get boringand you guys aren't like overly
.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
No, I like that, you guys.
One of my two of my favoritethings with your guys' show is
um how much you go into history?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
How much you look into history and you guys really
dig into finding out.
You know what it could be, whatit couldn't be, how history
matches up with that.
And then I love how you guyshave been revisiting places that
you went to and then the wayyou guys edit it and you show
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the evidence you get when youcame back and the evidence you
got when you first were thereand you compare how that matches
.
I absolutely love that.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
One thing that's good about the show, where ours is
different than most of the otherones, is that everything from
pre-production through post isdone with myself, brandon and
Mustafa and Craig.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
So it's like kind of in-house Everything is in-house.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Brandon does the editing as well.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And so, being there, he knows what happens and what
he wants to pull for the editand stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, and that's really cool.
I think that puts not thatpeople who use third parties.
It's less of them putting theirhearts into it, but you guys
have more of a claim to it, likethis is close to your heart.
This is your show.
You're investigating, you'redoing the history.
You can tell that through theediting and watching the show,
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how much care and everything youguys thought you put into it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, because it's not like we're handing it off to
an editor that's just doing itfor a job.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Editing is a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's a lot of time.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I just did it when I was in high school I did.
I was in video productionsclass and I did some through
Comcast out of high school andthat was a lot.
I can't imagine the equipmentnowadays.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, we have a pretty good system set up.
You know, like I said, we doeverything from pre-production.
Usually when we start a season,we'll start working on it a
couple months in advance um toget all the locations locked in,
to start getting the stories ofthem all.
Uh, craig, who came on with usin season four um to do his
research for the historicalaspects of it, and he he goes
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deep into stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
He said he's a good researcher yeah, I um, I like,
uh, listening to him talk to theum, like the people in the
community, all that kind ofstuff when he's going and trying
to find out about the location.
He has some really goodquestions.
One of the episodes I wanted tokind of talk about was and
correct me if I got the titlewrong, but I'm pretty sure it
was called the Promise.
(30:23):
It was the.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Hall Place.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yes Hall Place.
That was a really good episode.
I really really liked that oneand um.
One of the things I liked was,uh, how emotions seem to,
whether it be residual, whichthis seemed like an intelligent
type potting cause they weretalking to the.
The spirit that they said wasCaroline and um, but her
emotions and everything she wasfeeling seemed to specifically
(30:49):
kind of affect or at leastthat's what I got as a viewer.
It seemed to affect the femalesand with her being female, I
thought that that was reallyinteresting.
I always kind of loved caseslike that and was, you know, had
a thought like do they, arethey more receptive to it
because they are female andshe's a female?
And that's another one of thoselocations where it's not a scary
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haunting, it's a very lovingplace um I like when she said
that she was happy like she, sheliked being there, I thought
that was really cool yeah,that's a play.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
We went there twice.
We did that in season one andtwo, I yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
That's one of the first episodes I watched of your
guys's and that was one thatkind of stuck with me just
because I loved that.
I've always liked that, likehow emotions kind of play into
effect and I believe that onewas intelligent.
But even when you walk into aplace that may have a tragic
history, some people pick up onthose emotions, whether it be
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crying or you know if someonegot murdered with a stabbing.
You get people going there andfeel a sharp stab in their you
know, left side or somethinglike that.
Like it seems like that plays apart in haunting sometimes.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh, absolutely yeah, yeah, but yeah, no, that's a.
It's a nice quiet little bedand breakfast.
Really good food there.
Yeah, it's a nice quiet littlebed and breakfast.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Really good food there.
Yeah, it's a super cute place.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Charlotte fit us well , but yeah, it's very
comfortable.
And when we were doing that andwe were getting all those
responses and stuff like that onthe tripwire and then we took a
break to change camera mediaand stuff like that, the whole
time that we were on break thatthing did not go off once.
(32:33):
Huh, not until we went back upand started asking questions
again.
Then it started going off again.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Okay.
So it was like she wascommunicating with you only when
you wanted to talk, kind of.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Right, yeah, that's yeah, anytime.
Nobody was up there askingquestions, it was just a trip
wire.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's pretty cool.
That was pretty cool.
I really enjoyed that episode.
Have you ever walked into ahouse and had any sort of
experiences with emotions likethat?
Maybe something that was commonin that house or something that
happened like an common in thathouse, or something that
happened like an activity inthat house that may have um the
only place that I've gotaffected so far through all our
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episodes was in season two whenwe did the Carrick Park's house
Okay, um, don't know what was inthere.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I didn't realize I was acting strange at the time
until they told me I was.
When we went back there thesecond time, I did not have that
issue at all.
And you know, the first time,in the room where it started, we
were picking up a strangegeomagnetic anomaly in there,
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and that was not there thesecond time we went back either.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So that was really strange.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, that is, that's , interesting.
It's very interesting that itwouldn't be there.
Like it's not consistent, Right.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So whatever affected me was there that night and you
know, myself and Brandon bothgot affected in that room.
He had walked out before I did.
I stayed in there a little bitlonger and then after that it
was just like I was kind of itwas kind of dazed, kind of loopy
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Huh, and you didn't.
You guys don't know if therewas anything that may have
correlated with that.
That happened there, or?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I, you guys don't know if there was anything that
may have correlated with thatthat happened there.
I mean the place was used as aCivil War hospital after the
Battle of Perryville, so it'shad quite the history.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, so that easily could have been dizziness and
feeling yourself A lot of things.
Yeah, yeah, it could have beena lot of things.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Can we talk about, too, what you guys were talking
about last time?
When you tell a story outside,oh yeah, I have it in my notes.
I just want to make sure wetalk, because that's a really
really good point.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I think I'm here.
We should try the Hinsdalehouse.
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So what that is is oh , yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember
that.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, so I brought it up.
It's a super um, it's superinteresting theory and I saw it,
uh, originally on kindredspirits, I believe.
Yes, um, they did this umexperiment where they were
outside of the location, a waysaway from it.
They made up a fake story, aname, a situation, all that kind
of stuff and then when theywent back to the location, they
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talked about it like just toother, just like it was a
conversation, and they were like, yeah, this person you know
died here.
This is what happened.
And they made up this wholenarrative and they actually um,
I believe it was through aspirit box section, but they
actually got evidence umcorrelating with that fake story
.
Um, and I thought that that wassuper interesting with the
(35:49):
whole theory about sometimes um,spirits or energies at a
location can kind of mold intowhat you want or you manifested
it or you manifest it thoughtfor manifestation.
I'm blanking on what that'scalled that and uh, but I
actually it was funny, because Ithink I brought this up in the
last one too was that I actuallytried that with somebody at a
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location and it did not, as itdidn't work as well as theirs
did, but we did get answers backthat correlated with our
quote-unquote fake story.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
These locations in these towns that do you know
these year-round ghost walks andhaving that many people
thinking about that story nightafter night in these locations
is that keeping you know theseenergies alive in there or is it
manifesting certain energies inthere?
(36:44):
Yeah, it's pretty much law ofattraction you know 15, 15, 20,
30 people focusing on one storyat the same time.
Yeah, can that create it?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
yeah, and that's a lot when it comes to, like,
certain cryptids and everything.
There's thought that you knowthe mass population thinking
that slenderman is real actuallycreated, that being because he
has been spotted and, um,there's actually a couple
cryptids that they said.
The idea behind that is whatformed it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's basically law of attraction.
Oh yeah, you're just putting itout there.
You're just putting it outthere.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Did you guys put out winning the lottery or something
I know.
I don't know how tallSlenderman is supposed to be,
but he's kind of creepy looking.
I never watched that movie.
No, neither did I.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
What about Hat man?
We did talk about that last.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
How do you feel?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
about Hat man Kevin.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I have seen that two or three times during sleep
paralysis.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I have a whole theorythat I thought of with hat men
and shadow men and everything insleep, so sleep okay.
So hat men and shadow men havebeen seen all over the world,
right hat men there's likethousands of accounts of people
seeing this figure, entity,whatever you want to call it.
And um, I mean, I have threepictures from one location alone
(38:08):
, with the hat man.
I know a location.
Yeah, I know, but we're notgoing to name it.
Okay, it's like Voldemort.
It's like it, it's a locationthat shall not be named.
We have to pray, and so a lotof times when you you hear about
shadow figures or hat men, it'sduring sleep paralysis.
That's actually a very, verycommon thing, people you know.
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Say when they experience this,why?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Because they have domination.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
No, wait.
So I mean, I don't know, butthis is what I think.
So you know how people talkabout there's a veil and it
separates the two worlds.
Well, usually sleep paralysisis your mind waking up before
your body, right, you're notfully awake, and I always
thought about that and thatwhole theory about when you're
falling asleep is the best timeto experience something
(38:54):
paranormal, because you're kindof like in that middle plane
sort of your mind's more awakeor not, I'm sorry, more open,
and you're more open to kind ofhear things, that type of stuff.
Um, so I always thought aboutwhat if, during sleep paralysis,
you wake up and you're likeseeing what's on the other side
of that veil Like you're notsupposed to but you're not
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completely awake in our worldand you're getting a little
glimpse of what's actually there?
That was just something Ithought of one day and I was
like, huh, that's kind ofinteresting, because I'm like he
has to have.
I know there's a whole talkabout him being interdimensional
right and everything which I'vekind of read on, but I'm like
there's something to him becauseso many people have seen him
(39:37):
and have experienced him and Ithink it's more than just
everyone making him up.
Yeah I think there's morebehind that.
But yeah, I just thought I wasthinking about it and that's
just kind of a thought thatoccurred to me.
I'm like what if?
During sleep paralysis?
Speaker 1 (39:50):
why you think he only shows up.
Why does he do that?
Or this entity?
Is it for domination?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
no, they're known as watchers.
From what I read, they controllike um shadow figures and like
entities in a location.
Usually they're they're knownto like uh they're controlling
the sleep world, like historyyeah, that I don't know it, I
just I heard you're supposed tohave all the answers.
I know I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I gotta do more reading give me time, I'll read
more about okay, jenny is a bigreader yeah, I read a lot.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, I think we've talked about that before.
We talked about books.
She's like a walkingencyclopedia but, um, no, I was
just thinking about it one daybecause I, um, I have a book by
um, this guy, mike, he uh wrotea book on shadow figures and hat
man, great book.
But um, I was just my brain wasjust going, I don't know,
spiraling about it and I wasjust kind of thinking of a bunch
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of different theories andthat's one that kind of popped
in my head because it is very Ilove that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
That's the x-files so I was trying to turn.
My phone was going off, tryingto turn my sound off on it and I
hit the wrong button but um,it's like the x-files theme
plays as we're talking about thehat man.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's awesome.
I miss that man.
That went on forever, but um,yeah, that's just a theory.
I I had a friend too that sleepparalysis, woke up and he had
shadow figures standing aroundhim.
So, I was just thinking aboutall that and that's kind of what
I thought of when I was youngerand I was falling asleep I
heard a deep voice next to myear and just kind of all those
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thoughts went into one.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So the last one I remember is like I woke up and I
saw it like walk across theedge of my room.
The last one I remember is likeI woke up and I saw it like
walk across the edge of my room.
But then the next thing Iremember is I was on my back and
it was on top of me.
I could feel the knees pushedin on the beds beside me, like
he was sitting over the top ofme and his hands were up here on
my chest holding me down, likepushing me down into the bed.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
And see, and that's that's terrifying.
It's like I could feel that Icould feel the bed pushed down
beside me where the knees weresitting over my chest.
See, and that's another thoughtI had, because I was uh, one
book I have that I was readingabout, like ufos and abductions
and everything um a lot of sleepparalysis.
Symptoms are very similar toabductees and people who have
been abducted.
When you wake up and there'sfigures around you, you can't
move you can't talk, you losetime like it's a lot.
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They all kind of share the samestories and um, a lot of people
who have been abducted don'teven realize it until they're
put under hypnosis, which againis opening your mind.
What?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
do you do when you fall asleep?
Right, have either one of youguys astral projected before?
No, no whether it's intentionalor intentional.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, I did that, I'd be like what the are you doing?
Go back down.
I'd probably freak myself out.
But um, yeah, I was.
Just I was thinking about allthose things and how they kind
of in a weird way, seemconnected, sort of Like sleep,
sleep paralysis, your mindopening like that weird stage in
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between falling asleep andbeing awake.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Well, astral projection's in there too.
Yeah, where yeah, you lift outof your body.
That's the same thing as sleepparalysis, basically.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Well, astral projection, don't they um
usually see themselves floatingabove their body that can.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
That is a big part of it, but you can also go to a
location or go somewhere yeah,and then you don't fly.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
And people said they've seen like lights and but
that's and all that that's that, that state, that conscious
state too, that that's prettymuch.
It all kind of rivets togetheryeah, but that's kind of my
theory on I I.
Hatman to me is just I mean,don't get me wrong, I don't want
to wake up and see him standingnext to my bed, but it's super
interesting it's not pleasantwhen I think of hatman, I think
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of the poltergeist, the old guythat was dying.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, oh, do you want to know a creepy fact about?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
it.
I mean, you know I'm a hugemovie person.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, he's dying.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
No so in the second one he was dying.
So in the third one, when theymade the third one which that
third one is freaky and I havethem all I still watch them.
Those really, they scare memore than any modern horror
movie Go to the light.
Well, so because he died in thesecond one, they wanted the guy
to look like him.
In the third one, before hepassed away, they made a mold of
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his face, and in the third onethe actor is actually wearing
the mold of the actor's face.
Yeah, after he passed away.
I'm like that makes that movieeven freakier.
That's great you guys couldn'tfind someone that just looked
like him.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Wow, they really went yeah deep with that movie.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
but um, yeah, so that's just.
Uh.
Hat man and shadow man I thinkare super interesting in the
paranormal and at a locationthat I worked at, shadow figures
were like a super common thing.
I mean it was, it was nothingto go in, you know, go up to the
office on.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, but it was way better when it was original
there.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
We documented a really good one in season one,
episode two, at the LouisvilleBourbon Inn.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I believe I saw that clip.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's a bed and breakfast that's in a Louisville
you can go stay at, and thatwas caught on the emccd camera
as well.
And, uh, that's, that's one ofthe ones where I, you know, talk
about looking at it from.
You know, like my policebackground, stuff like that.
It's like you know anyone wouldsay, well, that was just
somebody casting the shadow,okay, but you would have to have
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a matching stairwell on theother side to have it backlit
and have a person walk up it.
But the shadow we captured isbetween the rails and the stairs
.
It's not projected on theoutside of the rails, so that
means it was in the stairwellgoing up.
And then later you see myselfand Mustafa walk up the stairs
and we don't look anything likewhat that did.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, and it doesn't cast the same shadow.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
No, and it's exactly what people have reported seeing
there.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Now, of course, there's a lot of theories on
what shadow figures are.
What do you think they are?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I mean this one.
I think this one was a residualhaunting.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I love residual haunting.
I love residual hauntings.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
It's like history in motion.
It's amazing.
I think it was the girl.
I mean, we didn't really findanything that she ever existed,
but the story's been told somany times and it's actually
documented in newspapers.
Was that a type of thought formmanifestation?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
yeah, and that's residual really quick, though it
doesn't always have to be likehistoric.
It could be like the day beforesomeone died and they forgot
they died so quickly, right, andthen they keep visiting because
they don't know that they'redead I think it could be yeah, I
mean it's possible well,typically it's not thought to be
intelligent, it's just supposedto be like a memory playing
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back over and over again.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Usually it's like something that was like
imprinted in time in a littlefabric of history.
It was just so like at theplace I worked there was.
It was, let's just say, an oldhospital and I was down, I was
on one of the floors, I was insolitary confinement, I was with
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a whole group and it was.
I started getting super excited.
The girl in the cell with mestarted crying and I was like no
, you don't know what this isthere's no crying in ghosts yeah
, there's no crying inparanormal investigating and uh,
but um, we heard we're allwe're doing quiet time, we're
all.
You know there's probably aboutseven, eight of us in these
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cells and, um, we're all quiet.
And you hear it starts kind offar away and it comes closer.
And know those shoes thatnurses used to wear, the thick
heels like it's like a square.
You hear that walking on thefloor.
I'm on the second floor a lot.
This was on a higher up floor.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Fifth you ever heard it.
On the second, though.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
No, oh, girl.
And so we heard that walk up tothe door we were in and, of
course, the girl.
There was two other girls inthe room with me and one of them
was like oh my God, what isthat?
And she like started kind oflike whimpering and I'm like no,
no, no, be very quiet.
And you heard it stop at ourdoor.
And then it continued walkingdown the hallway and then it
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stopped walking down the hallwayand stopped and I told her I
was like no, I was like I for it.
No, equipment went off.
I had, um, a couple of REM podsout there, I had a music box, I
had a lot of stuff that motioncensored would have been set off
and nothing went off.
Um, there was probably aboutsix of us that heard the exact
(48:44):
same thing and I was.
I told her.
I said I believe that that thatthat was residual.
I said I think we were luckythat we were in the right place
at the right times.
What we were doing by sitting inthose rooms, I think, maybe
sparked a memory and at onepoint in time, a nurse was
coming to check on patients andwe were just lucky enough to be
able to experience that littlechunk of history that was
(49:04):
replaying for us.
And she she looked at me.
She's like are you freakingcrazy?
That was still creepy and I'mlike that was awesome.
I was like so ecstatic just tobe able to experience that.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
That's when you used to get good stuff there.
The problem with that place isthat there's too much added
things that have came into there.
Yeah, it's yeah, and it'slayered now.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
It would be really hard to like get good evidence
now.
Yeah, well, to determine whereit, where it came from.
Yeah, I that place always havea special special spot in my
heart there's too, much.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Well, yeah, I mean shit, I go.
I mean, I can tell you backwhen the all the whole kitchen
was there, yeah, and who youknow?
That's the thing too aboutlocations like I don't know, if
people take them over and theyget rid of stuff that was
already in there, that'ssupposed to be stuck there in
history.
Don't you think that affects,you know, like anything, the
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residuals, like the, the time,the time, even like a time
capsule?
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Ticks, tick something off that you know.
Maybe there was like actuallythere was um that specific place
.
There was a uh, what was it?
It was in a book.
It was a doctor, I think thatwas caught in the kitchen at one
point.
He was wearing a white coat, orat least that's what they
thought he was.
Oh, the.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
You know, you may have a spirit that is fond of
something that was yeah, it wastaken out and I would think that
.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
But why take all that stuff out?
Why not leave it?
Some people don't, you know,appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I guess, I guess you didn't hit the lotto yet.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Buy it I, I, I absolutely love history and I
think if historic places aretrying, if you're trying to save
, I mean, of course you're goingto have to change some things
and update some things.
You know, right, you took code,yeah, or it's gonna, it's gonna
fall to pieces.
But, um, I think, uh, anyonewho genuinely wants to preserve
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history and preserve thesehistoric locations and have
people learn about them, theywill try to keep as much
original to that building aspossible.
Right, because that's how youlearn.
That's how you, you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, we've been to places where they've had a lot
of the original family's stuffstill in there.
That's awesome, I love that.
And I think that definitely canhold some energy.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah, oh yeah, I think that can too.
Oh yeah, I think that can too.
I think everyone, I think justkind of leaves like a blueprint
of their energy as they gothrough.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, and especially, you know when you get a spike
in energy, when you introducecertain things into a house.
You know that may have beenthere at one time.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Oh, and I kind of want to jumpback.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I had a.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
It's funny.
I was talking with somebody andthey're like you know you're
crazy for going into theseplaces that are haunted, like
aren't you scared of what'sthere?
And I always tell them I'm likehumans scare me a lot more than
ghosts do than the living does,or yeah, than the dead, anyways
.
But I was telling somebody, Isaid I'm a huge believer and I'd
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like to kind of know yourthoughts on this.
But I said I think that stuff'sall around us and how you were
saying that you guys went tothat one house and it was there
the one time and then you wentback and it wasn't there and it
may have been somethingconnected to the property, which
I think you can go to areas andlocations where it's more
concentrated because of whathappened there.
But I think that stuff'severywhere.
(52:28):
I think things can come and go.
You can spot something itdoesn't just have to be at night
.
Well, there's so many reportsof people seeing apparitions
just walking across the street.
Oh yeah, what is that?
I think that stuff's everywhere.
You just you know you can go tolocations, and it shows up more
think that stuff's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
you just you know you can go to locations and it
shows up, I think.
I think a lot of people haveseen things and don't realize
that they have yes because it'sjust so matter of fact it's just
there.
It's like.
I mean, I think some can appearso realistic that you don't
realize that that's what it isyes, so.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
So I went to the Winchester house recently.
Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (53:10):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
That place is amazing .
It is amazing.
But one of the things that shetold us that kind of went with
what you said, was um, one ofthe workers there that was very
loyal to um uh, oh my gosh, hername just totally slipped my
brain his wife, sarah oh my gosh, her name just totally slipped
my brain.
His wife, sarah, sarah.
Thank you, sarah Winchester,very, very loyal to her, moved
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with her and was there with her.
You know where she built thehouse and everything.
They call him the wheelbarrowman and they actually have a
picture of him up in the kitchenand there have been guests who
have talked to him and theythought he was a worker.
They thought he was a worker,they thought he was just an
actor.
And he, they said he lookedsolid.
(53:55):
He's where he wears overallsand he uses a wheelbarrow and he
doesn't, um, really respond.
But they would go back and belike, oh, you know, there was a
guy out there he didn't reallytalk, like is he okay?
Or they would say he was niceor anything.
They're like, yeah, he's notactually a worker, but he, he
looked solid.
He looked like a person, he's aghost.
He's a ghost, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I mean you get a lot of that with these Civil War
battlefields, People saying, oh,I like the reenactors you had
out there.
We didn't have anybody outthere.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I would love to visit Gettysburg.
I've heard a lot aboutGettysburg next summer?
Speaker 1 (54:24):
you suck, I'm gonna go there come down here come
visit perryville yes, I, I wouldlove.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I actually want to get back to waverly, I don't
think that is that far fromperrysville um, it's a little
over an hour we're planning onum getting waverly for a whole
weekend.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yes, it's gonna it.
I think it's so important to bethere for a whole entire at
least two days, two nights, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I loved Waverly.
But one thing I realized youcouldn't do there, which it
didn't dawn on me when I wasfirst there, like when we toured
.
You can't do EVPs or anythingthere on a windy night.
It just doesn't work.
Oh, because the windows areopen.
Yeah, because there's so muchopen space there.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
And that's why I like video why I like video.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
I like being able to see things.
Yes, videos.
I take a ton of pictures, whichI took, two at waverly that I
sent you those were pretty cool.
Um the smoke yeah, I don't knowwhat that was what's that
called again echo?
Echoplasm echo, that's what itlooks like to me I I don't know,
we tried to find spider webs oranything to debunk that.
But yeah, so another episode ofyour guys' that I really liked
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and I would love to visit therewas the Jailer's Inn.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Jailer's Inn is awesome.
It's a very awesome bed andbreakfast that you can actually
go stay at.
Yeah, I would love to visitthere.
We've been there twice.
We've done a couple eventsthere Super, super active and
that one actually has documentedghost stories going back to the
early 1900s.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
I actually have that written down in my notes.
100 years of ghost stories yeah, that is really really cool.
Did you have any particularexperience there that kind of
sticks out to you or anythingthat happened there?
Speaker 2 (56:11):
I mean that that one.
The first time we went, it waslike whatever was there was
moving, it's like you couldfollow the EMF with it, which
was super interesting.
We got some really, really goodEVP out of there as well Really
good EVP out of there as well.
You know having control camerasset up when nobody's in there
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and picking up you know whatsounds like somebody coughing
and the guy had died of typhoidfever.
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
While he was waiting, executionon death row yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
Do you think that that was possibly residual, more
so than?
Speaker 2 (56:50):
No, I think that one's more intelligent.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
More intelligent.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Okay, and how would you?
I mean if you can kind of think, I guess, of an explanation,
but how would you determine,more so, if it's residual or
intelligent when it comes tosomething like that?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
if it's residual or intelligent.
When it comes to something likethat, well, it's intelligent.
I mean, a lot of it goes into,like the questions you start
asking, and if you get responsesto those questions.
One thing that we'll dosometimes is we'll ask you know,
just the general questions andstuff like that, but then we'll
just throw something out of theleft field and see, you know, do
they respond to that as well?
And if not, I would say it'smore intelligent.
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If it still goes off, I'd be,you know, a little bit less
credible with it.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
Okay, okay, I like that.
That's actually a good idea.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Are you guys traveling overseas at all?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
We'd love to eventually.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
That'd be great.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
There's so much history over there, I know
Europe alone.
Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, there's so much history over there.
I would love to go to Scotlandand Ireland and tour castles and
everything I know.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
The castles are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah, that would be a dream.
I'm afraid I wouldn't come back.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Probably not.
You are like the fairy tale oflike I I won't say goth, but
yeah, you're in the castlesreading all day.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
Oh my gosh, yeah, they'd have to kick me out.
Yeah, they'd be like get thisweird girl out of this window.
She keeps sitting.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Nothing wrong with the reader girl, you're smart.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
I was talking to a guy I used to work out work out
with at the gym in LA.
I can't remember what countryhe was from, but he's like oh,
you should come over here andinvestigate, you know, and I was
like I'd like to eventually.
So we have a lot of ghosts andstuff here.
He goes, yeah, but ours don'thave heads maybe added everyone
over there it's like I'm on myway that's awesome, that's so
(58:41):
funny.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
And, um, there's yeah , there's a.
I don't.
I would love, I would lovethat'd be a dream to go over
there and investigate.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
When is your next season?
Start of your show.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
Can't say exactly that yet, but we are currently
working on the edit of seasonfive, and so that will hopefully
be out sometime, I'd say earlynext year maybe.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Okay, and can you repeat again how you can see
your show, what the platformsthat you're on?
Speaker 2 (59:11):
So it airs on Haunt TV, which is free streaming
service through Tubi, roku,vizio, anything like that.
Haunt also has some of theepisodes on their YouTube page,
and then you can always followour social media Instagram,
facebook I think Brandon put aTikTok up now for Haunted
Discoveries as well, so followalong on all the platforms.
(59:32):
Cool, we're on X and we'll beposting, you know, reels for
some of the episodes and keepeverybody updated on new
releases and stuff like that.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Yeah, you guys are also on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
I know I've watched a couple episodes on YouTube and
then you know not only HauntedDiscoveries, but we also have
Haunted Discoveries FamilySpirits, our spinoff show, which
is also airing as well.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Nice, that's awesome.
Can you give us a quicksynopsis about what that is?
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
or what that's about.
So Family Spirits is more of arecreation type show.
We bring in and interviewpeople that feel like they're
being haunted by past loved ones, and then Craig goes into a
deep genealogical research tolook for familial connections
and stuff like that with thefamily.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Oh, I like that.
That's a really cool idea.
It's already aired.
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, there's a few episodes that's aired already.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Okay, that is haunted .
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
That's Haunted Discover's Family Spirits.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, that's a really cool idea.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I love that so we have four episodes, four
episodes filmed, two episodeshave aired and three and four
have not aired yet.
Okay, we're actually stillfinishing up season four.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Wow, so you guys are probably busy all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
You guys are just busting it out non-stop that's a
lot of filming and editing andthen you're working on top of
that yeah, because I mean like,even when we finish like a
season, you know brandon goesinto the edit and stuff like
that, and Mustafa goes through alot of the audio and I go
through every piece of controlcamera footage we have as well.
(01:01:12):
Wow, so you know we have fouror five control cameras up to
location.
I sit and go through every clipof control camera footage, oh
my word.
And then I give that over toBrandon for the edit and then
he'll, you know, match it upwith certain spots in the edit.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I've gone through like a couple hours of like
video and I'm like okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I'm ready to break.
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
That's nuts.
That's awesome, though, so okay.
So to wrap up, we got Kevinwith Haunted Discoveries.
It's an awesome show, so anyonelistening should definitely
check it out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Check it out.
Let us know what you think.
Leave comments.
Interact.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Hope everyone enjoys it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Yeah, very, very good show.
I'm enjoying it, it is.
I love your guys' investigationtechniques.
Yeah, you guys don't goscreaming into a house saying
everything's humans.
No, oh, don't get me startedwith that, becky, very rarely
you know how.
I feel, that's refreshing forme.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Getting to investigate with Brandon and
Mustafa and Craig.
It's been a lot of fun.
We have a lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Just the energy, I think really kind of helps get
the evidence that we havecollected so far.
That's one thing that kind ofbrought my attention to your
guys's show.
Is I like them when they wereon Ghost Hunters?
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
And.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Brandon was always kind of more serious about it,
like when it came to evidenceand came to, he took it very
seriously and I like that,because a lot of paranormal
stuff nowadays is very for views, for clicks for you know
Jenny's very serious, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Jenny's on the ball Like she's the boss and I like
that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I'm like we're here to investigate.
We're not here to, like youknow, party or run around and
scream or like yeah.
Like everyone shut up and let'sdo EVPs, like that's how I, yeah
.
But so, yeah, that's kind ofwhat.
Um, I think I put brandon on myfacebook first and then, when
he started doing the show, Ithink, slowly I just kind of
(01:03:13):
requested you all.
I believe that's how it kind ofwent.
But, um, that's how I firstfound out about the show,
because I, like brandon andmustafa from ghost hunters, saw
that they were doing this and Iwas like, oh, I'm gonna check
that out, because I always likedthe way they investigated and
it went over like that's.
One thing I love about yourguys' show is it's very.
We're here to find evidence,we're here to go over history.
We're not here just to getlikes and views.
(01:03:35):
I like the tools, even thatthey use.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yes, Right, like I said, we like to use things
that's not necessarily built forparanormal investigating.
Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Yeah, and sometimes that works very well though.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, and I want is that works very well though.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Yeah, and I want a trip wire oh my gosh, I want a
trip.
That thing is so cool, but um,yeah, so definitely.
Uh, anyone listening check outhaunted discoveries great
paranormal show um, absolutelyand yeah, check out jen too.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Jen scott oh yeah, you know jen keeps me current.
I keep telling her she's acelebrity.
I'm'm going to be watching heron TV with all you guys one day.
Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Oh, I don't think, kevin.
Well, I don't know if you'veheard of it, kevin, I told you
where I'm going next.
Right, where are you going?
Well, I got my undisclosedlocation.
That will be my live, for thatwill be the 4th or the 5th no
one knows where that's at yet.
And live, jerk, and uh, then onthe 9th I actually get to um,
(01:04:33):
we're leading investigations atjackson state prison.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Wow, yes, so I'm super excited.
You're gonna be working withrusty, no, nope, uh, me and
david you're okay no, rusty, didinvestigate there though yeah,
because he does the uh jacksonwalks and stuff.
Yeah, haunted stuff, yeah, coolstuff yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Cool, yeah, jen's like she's a trailblazer.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, it's fun.
I like doing stuff she does.
She gets a lot of locations setup, she talks to it.
She's really good at networking.
So, yeah, I like meeting newpeople.
Yeah, yeah, hearing new ideas.
Kevin, you've been great.
You know, you have been such agood sport.
I'm so sorry we're not.
We don't Hopefully this oneworks.
(01:05:13):
We're still winging it.
You know, it's been two yearsnow.
We've been very patient.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Yes, so yes we appreciate you being on.
Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I loved you being on.
Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Thank you so much.
It's been fun.
Yeah, yeah, I too.
I love just being on withpeople and talking about this
stuff.
It's interesting to heardifferent point of views,
different experiences differentyou know, that's how you.
I think that that all goes inwith learning.
Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yes, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Gather data, collect it, look at it, have other
people look at it and.
Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, yeah, and I think that how you got to be
open-minded too, you got to beable to have people say, no, I
don't think that's what that is,I think it's this I always say,
and then ask yourself why is itthis?
yeah, yeah you know process ofelimination and see what you can
figure out yeah, that's why Ilove like investigating with
other people, like going ongroup, even public sometimes,
(01:06:06):
even though there's a lot ofpeople and you're like, ah, shut
up, there's so much noise.
It's just kind of fun to meetnew people and see how they
investigate and how youinvestigate and, yeah, you learn
stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Now, how do you pronounce your last?
Can you say your full name,cause it will pick up on my when
I go to edit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Oh yeah, my last name is Adi Adi.
Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Oh yeah, my last name is Adi Adi, so Kevin Adi with
Haunted Discoveries.
I want to make sure I waspronouncing it right, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
That's cool.
I think I asked all myquestions from my two pages of
notes.
Hey, that's good I had to,because when I get on these
things anytime I'm like on Faceto face, anytime someone's
watching me or I'm like you know, in where I got to talk and I
know people are going to befocusing on it I just my brain
goes blank.
I just can't I have to havenotes, for even at work, when I
(01:06:53):
have to do like store, meetingsand everything, I have a sheet
of notes, because as soon as Ilook up and everyone's looking
at me, I'm like oh, what's myname, what was I supposed to be
doing?
It just goes blank.
Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
so but yeah, well, thanks for hopping on again.
Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I appreciate you if this one doesn't work, we're
just being like you know what?
We had three really goodconversations.
Yeah, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I manifested, manifested, wait, manifesting,
no, but it already happened whatsentence are you trying to say?
Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
It already, we manifested it already it already
happened.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
You had this problem last time.
Now I'm having this problem.
What word could we not remember?
It was something so stupid andI had to look it up.
Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I was talking to you on the phone.
What word was it I couldn'tpronounce?
And you're like, I'm not goingto let you forget that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Oh shoot Now.
I forgot it.
Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Ha, yes, that's awesome.
Damn my brain.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, there was a word I could not get out.
Anyway, we manifested italready happened and it worked
Right Put it in the universe,but all right.
Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, thank you for being on.
I'm looking forward to seasonfive.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I got to get caught up with the rest of the seasons.
I need to get caught up.
Well, I will, because I'll beon maternity leave.
Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah, I just sit up.
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Get caught up.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, yeah, lucky ass .
I hope baby loves ghost shows,if he doesn't, oh it's your baby
.
They're going to have to.
Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Well, unless they're like Paul and they're like no,
but we really at hinsdale, Iwant there's.
I know I said this on the lastone.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
There's some crazy shit that happened to her at
hinsdale.
Yeah, so I'm like, well, justme and you need to go, so we can
see like I'm kind of scared.
I'm kind of scared, I'll belike jenny.
Jenny, it's healthy, we'll befine, we'll be, walking off.
Yeah, they walking off cryingand paranormal investigating
exactly and uh.
Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
So I told her, me and her should go, but we should do
that thing where we make up astory before we get there and
then we stay over there just tokind of like see how that plays
out, because that is such aninteresting, uh, interesting
thing, yeah, like theory,whatever you want to call it
that place is very layered toohas have you been in still?
I have not oh well, it has.
(01:09:10):
There's a lot of layers, it's aton of layers and I don't think
it helps that, like everyonewho's been there has done, like
there was a group that wentthere that did a blood sacrifice
, and it's, of course, youtubeand tiktok and you know so they
try to do all these extremethings, and I think that when
you do stuff like that, you maybe messing with stuff that
you're not aware of and it justadds on to things, and I'm like
(01:09:35):
I love going into like myundisclosed location, which I
can tell you guys, I don'treally care.
Is this being recorded?
Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Yeah Well, never mind , I'll text you because I have
to say we're special, we nevermind.
I'll text you because I have tosay we're special.
Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
We get a text, but so just edit this part out.
A friend of mine bought what isa building that was used as the
first funeral home in Toledo,ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Okay.
Good evening everyone .
Welcome back to StrangeDeranged Beyond Insane.
And tonight I have our co-host,jen, here with us, and then we
also have Kevin from HauntedDiscovery, so we're going to let
them do some Q&As and we'regoing to get to know Kevin.
Go ahead, jen, start it offwith you, hi, kevin.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Why don't you go ahead and tell us a little bit
about yourself and the show?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah.
So going back, I startedinvestigating probably around
2006, I guess 2007, somewhere inthat area, with a team called
Cape Girardeau ParanormalResearch out of Missouri, and
moved to LA in 2008, I'm sorry,2009.
(00:52):
And shortly after I moved,there is when I met Brandon and
we stayed in touch ever since.
We'd done a few investigationstogether in LA over the years
and 2018, I moved kentucky,started working for a production
company here and um decided wewanted to do a paranormal show,
and so I reached out to brandonand you know to see what we
(01:15):
could get put together andhaunted discoveries evolved out
of that awesome um, that's youdogs.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know stupid dogs, sorry um with uh Haunted
Discoveries.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Do you have a favorite episode that you guys
have done?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
oh, we've so far we've filmed five seasons, uh,
four seasons have been released.
The fifth one is still beingedited.
There have been some prettymemorable locations throughout
our runs.
I think we've done 57 episodesso far, something like that 56.
(02:01):
Uh, some of the most memorableI mean gosh, we had so many.
I mean um, one of the ones thatkind of sticks out the most for
me would probably be, uh,season 4, episode 12, when we
(02:23):
were down in Harlan, kentucky,down in the coal coal area and
just um some stuff weencountered on that episode.
Um season four, we also did thetown of rugby in Tennessee.
That was pretty interesting.
We had some good stuff going onthere.
(02:43):
We were in the town for, Ithink, seven days total and um
really cool place.
It's just a small society.
A lot of the um family of theoriginal founders are still in
the area, so that's kind of coolokay, and some of the original
houses are still there.
A lot of them now are bed andbreakfasts so you can actually
(03:05):
go stay there.
Christy and Miranda that runthe Scott County Jail in
Tennessee, they also do theAfter Dark Tours in Rugby, and
so they got a pretty cool littlesetup there to go check out the
places we've done throughoutKentucky.
I mean, perryville has beengreat.
Brandon is a resident ofPerryville.
Perryville has been great.
(03:25):
Uh, brandon is a resident ofPerryville now and has the uh,
dr JJ Polk house that he boughtand just opened that up for
investigations.
That's a really cool place.
We had some really goodactivity there which, uh, you
know that'll be coming outwhenever season five is released
.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Oh, awesome that's going to be on that season.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's on season five, awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, that looks like a really nice house.
I saw that he I believe heposted that on his Facebook
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no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We're going to take one technical break.
Hey everyone, welcome back.
We had a little bit of atechnical difficulty.
This is the third time now thatwe're trying to record with
Kevin and he has been such agood sport.
Thank you, and now, Jenny, youcan proceed.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm sorry, go ahead, um so we were talking about
haunted discoveries.
Now I would like to talk aboutthe Harriman hospital.
I know we um discussed that onthe first round of uh, this
podcast.
We tried doing um the light youguys found or saw um.
That was super, superinteresting and I like Harriman
hospital as a whole, like a lotof things I've you.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
They have been in Waverly Hills episode too,
Didn't they the light down thehall?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Not like this.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
No, this was crazy.
I like um and I don't want toget her name wrong the girl in
the in the show with you.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Malia.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yes, she, if I remember correctly, compared it
to Close Encounters of the ThirdKind.
Oh, she was like.
It was like.
I mean it lit up like windows.
I have to see that I haven'tgotten to that one yet.
It looked like someone put likehigh beams on a door.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And what do you personally think that might have
been?
If you have any thoughts onthat?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What gets me the most interesting with that clip is
you don't see it as much in thefull frame, but later on, when
Brandon's showing it to Mustafaon the small monitor, right
before that happens, youactually see a shadow go across
the frame, shoot down thehallway and about the time it
blasts through the double doorsis when you see the light emit
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from the other side.
Again, keep in mind they didnot see this light with their
eyes, it was only happening onthe screen.
So they could look down, see iton the screen, look up and it's
still a pitch black hallway.
Yeah, that was reallyinteresting look down, see it on
the screen, look up and it'sstill a pitch black hallway.
Yeah, that was reallyinteresting.
And what I really findinteresting is, right after that
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happens, you have the two solidmetal hospital doors.
You have the two windows at thetop, but in the middle of the
windows there is a circle oflight on solid doors no idea
(06:32):
what, where, where, how thatcould happen.
It reminded me of, like youknow, in ghostbusters, when
they're upstairs in that hoteland slimer goes through the wall
and leaves that residue on theback side.
Yeah, that's what it reminds meof.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It's like a residue of that shadow shooting through
those doors yeah, as soon, assoon as you said Ghostbusters, I
knew what you were going to say.
And no, I think she said sheeither said close encounters or
she said like a UFO.
I don't remember exactly howshe phrased it, but I was like,
wow, that's perfect, becausethat's exactly what it looked
like to me, because it lit upthe hole.
That was pretty crazy to see.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, that was wild.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So Sorry, that was wild.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So Sorry, that was me .
My cord was tangled.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You're good, you're good.
Just threw me off because I waslike, oh, she's not used to
hearing herself.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
No, I don't like it.
You want to start singing?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I knew oh no, I knew, oh no.
So with can you just kind ofgive us maybe a description or
kind of what you guys look forwhen you go into an
investigation?
Like do people contact youwanting to figure out like
what's going on or the reasoningbehind it?
Like, what do you guys go in tofind?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So we really like.
I mean, one of the biggestthings with APRA is the history
and preservation of history ofthese locations and so going
into them, we like to haveplaces that have a good
historical significance to it,as well as paranormal claims,
(08:01):
using equipment a lot ofequipment, not necessarily made
for paranormal investigating totry to document as much as we
can collect data that can beanalyzed by a third party.
It's a lot of these places havefamilial connections to them,
(08:26):
which is really interesting.
It's not all your haunted,scary ghostly stuff.
There's a lot of like seasonone episode one, when we did
Conrad Caldwell House, Once webrought Beth in, who is an
ancestor of the family, it waslike her grandmother had reached
out, because we picked up thatvoice of her grandmother saying
her name and so it was a veryloving type haunting.
(08:51):
When we investigated Whitehallthe lady we interviewed there
she said it's not haunted, it'sinhabited.
She said this is their houseand so not everything's your
scary ghost running around typestuff.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, slamming doors and appearing to go to your bed
in the middle of the night,right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And it's about preserving these places, it's
about telling their historyaccurately, backing it up with
documentation and that type ofstuff backing it up with
documentation and that type ofstuff.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Oh, I would think that that helps a lot of
locations out, kind of because Iknow some people when they hear
of a place being haunted theyautomatically don't want to go
in.
So I think if they hear thehistory and it's not necessarily
anything bad it may help thelocation out with.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Uh, yeah, yeah, and when you um, you know, start
involving you know ghost storieswith these locations, people
are more apt to learn about thehistory.
Because you know, like I alwayssay, it's like you tell people,
oh, you want to hear some coolhistory, they're like eh, you
(10:02):
want to hear ghost story?
Yeah, let's, let's hear one.
So you put the two together andthen they're like, they learn
the history without realizingthey're learning the history
yeah, I can't say I used to beone of those people so it's like
tell me the scary I don't evenlook, I don't even want.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I'd like to go into places blindfolded now, yeah, I
don't even want to know, I justwant to see what I pick up, and
then I like to do research afterI like that method, though I
know a few investigators that doit that way Sometimes you can't
help yourself, though I do havea question for you, and I know
we talked about this last timeSince you've come onto this show
now this show you said everyoneis live Like it's not
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pre-recordings, right?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So do you feel like you've gotten like more or less
on activity since you've now youhave like a whole filming, like
production thing going on, ordo you feel like you had more
activity before?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think a lot of it just depends on the energy.
Yeah, you know, when we're inplaces, it's us with a camera
person and a sound person.
It's not like a wholeproduction crew in there
following us around.
No, we still keep it verylimited to the amount of people
inside the location.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh good, less noise.
I guess too yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Less noise, less contamination.
But, yeah, we keep it as smalland controlled and contained as
possible.
And again, I think a lot of itjust has to do with the energy
of the people and, um, you know,kind of our thoughts going into
the places okay now.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Um, like we were just talking about, you know history
and hauntings go hand in hand,usually with each other.
Um, have you ever gone into alocation where that may not have
fit?
Like you come across somethingthat has no ties to the building
or anything like that, wherethe history kind of doesn't line
up with the property?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
We have had places like that, where you know
there's some places we go whereit's just hard to find any
history of the property.
There's been places where, like, I can't think of the place
right off hand but where, like,a fire destroyed a lot of the
documents.
There wasn't a lot to be ableto research and stuff like that.
So we just had to do the bestthat we can with what we have
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and hopefully be able to getsome answers.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, that would be hard.
I know there's places we'veinvestigated where they couldn't
tell us too much of what couldbe going on there, just because
the history is pretty mucherased.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And then you take places like, let's say, bobby
Mackey's, for instance.
When that was there, you knowyou had the whole story about
the well from hell and how allthis pig's blood was drained
down and stuff like that, whichwas never the fact.
Yes, there was a slaughterhouseon that property, but it was up
further on the property per theSanborn fire maps.
(12:52):
Um, where Bobby Mackey's was,that well was actually part of
the distillery and that's howthey would bring in water for
the distilling process from theLicking River.
So very doubtful that there wasever any type of pig's blood
ever drained in that well oranything like that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
See, that's good to know because you hear so many
different stories and urbanlegends and everything that goes
around with these places.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, and like the whole story of Pearl Bryan,
she never had a connection toBobby Mackey's.
You know, they may have drivenpast there after she was killed
or whatever like that, but shewas never associated with the
location.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Huh, so the whole thing with her head being thrown
in a well, very doubtful Wow,okay, yeah, I think I heard that
her head was thrown in thereand then, like, found it down
the stream or something.
No, what did you think of?
You?
Investigated at Bobby Mackey'sright.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I've been there a few times.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, what did you think of the location?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's an active location.
It's not the demonic chairsgetting thrown at you like
people claim that it is.
So if you're going in therewith kind of that thought
process're going to bedisappointed, yeah, but it is an
active place and that place hasquite the history back when it
was ran by the mob as the latinquarter and stuff like that.
There's been a lot of historyin and out of that place yeah,
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I'm a big believer in um.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
The type of energy you bring into a location is
kind of what you get returnedback to you.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
We have a lot of places here, through Detroit,
through Chicago, with a lot ofmob action.
Yeah, all through Chicago.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, Chicago has a ton, Well Michigan actually has
more.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Really, you didn't know that Purple gang girl, the
best gang there is, tell herBest, gang there is.
Tell her, kevin.
You know about the Purple Gang,the Robinson Hospital in Elginy
, elginy how do you say that?
Oh my God, there's so manyplaces.
Have you been there?
Mm-mm, you'll have to go there,kevin.
You guys should definitely goand check that place out the
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basement.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Fun place.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I mean there's a lot of different information.
But if you're into the mobs, Imean I love the mob history,
just because there's so muchcookie crumbs behind it and
people are still trying tofigure it out and that's why
paranormal is so into themobsters, because a lot of them
hid out after being shot A lotof them, you know, at these
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hospitals and they brought allthat energy there and a lot of
them hit out after being shot.
A lot of them, you know, atthese hospitals and they brought
all that energy there and a lotof them died too.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, A lot of them had secret locations.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
A lot of them committed stuff that they yeah,
you know did stuff theyshouldn't have done in these
locations, that's what I likedabout investigating in Hollywood
and stuff like that, as youhave that old Hollywood history
investigating in Hollywood andstuff like that, as you have
that old Hollywood history, theold make it or break it,
scandalous type stuff, and thatwas a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Have you been to the CISO hotel?
I was thinking that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I've I've been to it.
I've not investigated, but Ihave been to it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
You have, oh my, and you survived it.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
He's walked in and walked around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's it's a creepy place it's got a vibe to it and
it's not in a very good place.
Uh, part of town.
No, it's in a very bad town.
Yeah, yeah, real close, I wantto go so bad, yeah, that story.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I don't remember that girl's name, uh, may eliza lamb
.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a.
That's a very interesting, canyou?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
imagine drinking that water and telling them like
there's something wrong withthis water, Like it stinks, Like
it tastes weird yeah.
And then you find out there wasa body rotting in there, that's
oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, and I think the craziest thing about her story
is like when she goes into theelevator.
You can I mean you can explainthat kind of with.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You know, mental health problems, medicine she
might have been on, because Iknow.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Well, that's what they tried to do.
This documentary I watched,yeah.
The crazy part is, though, whenthey showed the tank that she
was floating in, her actuallygetting in that and having to
remove the cover off of that,which they said was virtually
impossible for somebody her size.
To me that is the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Well, they glitched in the evidence to the um.
What do they call the camera?
See something to see?
The security camera?
Yeah, like the cctv yeah it,you can tell where it glitched
like they covered it up.
Yeah, it's just uh someonekilled her.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's a that's a very interesting case, and uh
there was a um night stalkeryeah night stalker is connected
to the he's an ugly son of abitch.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
If I would have woke up and he was at the end of my
bed, I would have just been likeI'm dead, he is out of.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
He's a creepy dude.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, he's a creepy dude there's actually been a few
serial killers associated withthat hotel really.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I don't know if I read about any.
I know I was watching adocumentary on Richard Ramirez.
That's where I heard he hadties to the Cecil.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
A lot of them did the Cecil's a.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think that's like Probably because it was kind of
a shady hotel, yeah, and it wasin a bad neighborhood.
Well, hollywood's shady LA.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Can you imagine the energy going into those places?
I would just be like, oh yeah,I would love it though.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
There's a lot of oh the cemeteries too Tragedy that
happened over there, but okay.
So how long have you beenpersonally investigating the
paranormal?
Did you start, as just you know, when you were little Kevin or?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I've always been little Kevin.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, a little whippersnapper.
I've always been little Kevin.
Yeah, a little whippersnapper.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I started when I I mean, I've always had an
interest in it, but when I wasworking for the Sheriff's
Department in Missouri I wasdoing some side work for a
private investigator and him andhis wife had a team and I went
out with them for my first timeand that's kind of when I got
hooked and that was like 2007, Ithink.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Okay, do you remember where you went, like where you
investigated?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We went to a private residence that was actually
owned by his brother up inLouisiana, missouri.
It was a Victorian house builtin 1868, I believe.
Oh, and it was actually.
It was called the Old MaccoonCollege and it was the first
co-ed college west of theMississippi.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Wow, okay, so it had a good amount of history to it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Good amount of history, good stories to it.
It was a lot of fun.
I got hooked after that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I think we all have that one place, that kind of
hooked us.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
We actually spent the weekend in the house, so it was
fun sleeping in it too.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Did you get any personal activity?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We got a couple of really good Class A EVPs.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh yeah, I love EVPs.
That's my favorite thing to geton an investigation.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
When you asked him that, what if he would have told
you he came out of the wombinvestigating?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
That would have been pretty cool.
Would you have believed him?
Yeah, that would be prettysweet coming out with a little
recording.
Yep, do you have any likefavorite equipment you like
using specifically?
Like I said, I love doing EVPs.
That's my favorite go-to onevery investigation.
But what would yours be?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So in Season 4, we got a device called the APL that
a guy built for us, theAtmospheric Phenomenon Logger,
and it's kind of similar to likean EDI Plus but it has your
temperature, your barometricpressure, your humidity, your
EMF, it has vibration, it hasmotion sensor and all that stuff
(20:21):
.
It has motion sensor and allthat stuff.
And he actually built us a newone that would premiere in
Season 5.
That has a live graph on thefront of it and it records it to
an SD card as well.
So if we get anything on that,we can actually take it out and
analyze the data.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
That's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So that and I like the you know we have the EMCCD
camera which picks up singlephoton events and that type of
stuff.
Really interesting camera touse, especially if we can
correlate things on that withother devices.
Okay, for example, our Waverlyepisode in Season 3, we
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documented a photon event.
At the same time we documentedan emf spike on the edi and it
threw our magnetic compass off10 degrees on our um weather
logger.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Wow, that's pretty.
All three happened at once allthree at the same time and it's
on camera wow, can you explainmaybe to whoever's listening, if
they may not know what like aphoton event is, can you explain
what that is?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I wish I really could .
Okay, it's like balls of energyand we're trying to see, if you
know, if there's anycorrelation between those and
alleged paranormal activity.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Oh, okay, that makes sense, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's why it seems like a lot of times, before we
capture something on that or wehave, you know, emf hits on
devices and stuff like that.
It seems like it alwayscorrelates with a change in
barometric pressure.
So we're really looking into,you know, anytime we have
pressure hits on our devices,that's one thing we pay
attention to, because it justseems like it correlates a lot
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do you think that that might besomething?
trying to use the atmosphere tolike manifest, or very possible,
very possible, I think, thatspirits can manipulate the
environment and um, if you watchour spin-off series, haunted
(22:27):
discoveries, family spirits um.
When season three and four comeout, we actually test some of
those theories okay, all right,that's great.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I love when you have like multiple hits on equipment
like that.
We um yeah, I recently did umone of my lives at the uh horror
museum in monroe and we had aum device that measured static
electricity and I had a rem podand then we had an sls camera
going and all at the same time,like, the static device went off
(23:00):
, the rem pod went off and thenthere was like a little flash of
something on the sls camera.
Like it all happened at theexact same time and I thought
that was so cool, even though itwas like just kind of a real
quick little blip.
It was just.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I was like I love being able to document stuff
like that, yeah, correlating iton multiple devices yeah, so um,
I do have a question too,because I wanted to remember
this one, because I forgot whatyou said saying about equipment
going off at one time.
What do you think about, um,like paranormal happening like
(23:35):
ufos at the same time and proofof some type of otherworldly,
because I have actually took ascreenshot of it so I could show
you guys the alien story withChristina.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What happens when, like, allworlds collide, cryptids, all
that together?
Do you think that's allparanormal or do you think it's
still separate?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I wouldn't say it's all paranormal, but I think they
may be closer related thanpeople think they are.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, what do you think brings that?
What do you think brings themtogether?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's why we investigate.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But do you think like ?
Us like trying to makecommunication, we're like
calling out to other things.
We don't realize that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think that's a possibility.
I think it opens up thatpossibility.
We actually did an episode atthis place called the Benton
Farmhouse I think it was episode12 of season two and there was
a lot of UFO history with thathouse and what we documented
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there seemed to lean almost alittle bit more towards an
extraterrestrial type hauntingokay, yeah, that makes me think
of the um skinwalker ranch,because you have everything
there you have the ufos, oh yeahparanormal.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
You have the cryptids , you have skinwalker, like
everything seems to be there,which is interesting.
When you think of that, youknow all of it being related and
together.
Or does it have something to dowith the land or it's stuff
that just keeps youinvestigating because you want
answers.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Right, right, and that's why I love investigating.
It's like let's see what we canfind out.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, that's what I love.
I love getting the answers.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And when I investigate you know, even you
know, when I investigate UFOsightings I also I'm a chief
investigator for Kentucky fromMUFON, the Mutual UFO Network,
and when I get cases in that andwhen I get cases paranormal, I
still look at things like frommy law enforcement perspective,
like if I was presenting thisevidence to a court, you know
how would I, how would I putthis up to explain this Cause?
You know, an attorney could saywell, you know it, it could be
(25:50):
this, it could be.
But let's look at process alone, process of elimination.
Here's why it's not that.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And I take the most basic things and then like, okay
, why, what supports or doesn'tsupport what this is?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Have you, while you've been investigating with
that group, have you ever beento a location that has
paranormal claims and UFO claims?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That Benton Farmhouse oh that okay.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Have you guys investigated any Masonic temples
in Kentucky?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We have actually investigated any Masonic temples
in Kentucky.
We have actually that actuallycame out in season four we did
the Masonic Lodge inElizabethtown Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Nice, and how did you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It was interesting.
I kind of had the thought youknow, are we going to get
anything?
Because we are asking questionsand we're not members of the
masonic temple oh, that's a goodpoint you know, will they
actually talk to us for being inthere?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
this is actually a masonic oh sorry temple bible.
Can I, can you see it?
Oh nice with my hand, which Iam not supposed to touch it
because I'm a female, but donleft it up in the attic and we
were investigating up in theattic.
But, um, that creep.
There's a lot of layers to that.
That's another one that's kindof like brings a lot together at
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one time now haunt tv, which iswhere haunted discovery streams
at.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
They have, um, you know you can catch it on, like
when it airs on haunt, which isfree streaming through, like 2b
roku, vizio, stuff like that.
But they also have a lot of ourepisodes on the haunt tv
youtube page and I know thatthat episode is on there yeah, I
actually saw the title for that.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I have not watched that one yet, though I gotta I.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I need to catch up a lot.
I watched the waverly hills onewith you guys.
I really liked, I like, I likeyour tactics.
You guys are very like on point.
You keep it moving.
It's not, it doesn't get boringand you guys aren't like overly
.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
No, I like that, you guys.
One of my two of my favoritethings with your guys' show is
um how much you go into history?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
How much you look into history and you guys really
dig into finding out.
You know what it could be, whatit couldn't be, how history
matches up with that.
And then I love how you guyshave been revisiting places that
you went to and then the wayyou guys edit it and you show
(28:18):
the evidence you get when youcame back and the evidence you
got when you first were thereand you compare how that matches
.
I absolutely love that.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
One thing that's good about the show, where ours is
different than most of the otherones, is that everything from
pre-production through post isdone with myself, brandon and
Mustafa and Craig.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
So it's like kind of in-house Everything is in-house.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Brandon does the editing as well.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And so, being there, he knows what happens and what
he wants to pull for the editand stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, and that's really cool.
I think that puts not thatpeople who use third parties.
It's less of them putting theirhearts into it, but you guys
have more of a claim to it, likethis is close to your heart.
This is your show.
You're investigating, you'redoing the history.
You can tell that through theediting and watching the show,
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how much care and everything youguys thought you put into it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, because it's not like we're handing it off to
an editor that's just doing itfor a job.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Editing is a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's a lot of time.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I just did it when I was in high school I did.
I was in video productionsclass and I did some through
Comcast out of high school andthat was a lot.
I can't imagine the equipmentnowadays.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, we have a pretty good system set up.
You know, like I said, we doeverything from pre-production.
Usually when we start a season,we'll start working on it a
couple months in advance um toget all the locations locked in,
to start getting the stories ofthem all.
Uh, craig, who came on with usin season four um to do his
research for the historicalaspects of it, and he he goes
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deep into stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
He said he's a good researcher yeah, I um, I like,
uh, listening to him talk to theum, like the people in the
community, all that kind ofstuff when he's going and trying
to find out about the location.
He has some really goodquestions.
One of the episodes I wanted tokind of talk about was and
correct me if I got the titlewrong, but I'm pretty sure it
was called the Promise.
(30:23):
It was the.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Hall Place.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yes Hall Place.
That was a really good episode.
I really really liked that oneand um.
One of the things I liked was,uh, how emotions seem to,
whether it be residual, whichthis seemed like an intelligent
type potting cause they weretalking to the.
The spirit that they said wasCaroline and um, but her
emotions and everything she wasfeeling seemed to specifically
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kind of affect or at leastthat's what I got as a viewer.
It seemed to affect the femalesand with her being female, I
thought that that was reallyinteresting.
I always kind of loved caseslike that and was, you know, had
a thought like do they, arethey more receptive to it
because they are female andshe's a female?
And that's another one of thoselocations where it's not a scary
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haunting, it's a very lovingplace um I like when she said
that she was happy like she, sheliked being there, I thought
that was really cool yeah,that's a play.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
We went there twice.
We did that in season one andtwo, I yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
That's one of the first episodes I watched of your
guys's and that was one thatkind of stuck with me just
because I loved that.
I've always liked that, likehow emotions kind of play into
effect and I believe that onewas intelligent.
But even when you walk into aplace that may have a tragic
history, some people pick up onthose emotions, whether it be
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crying or you know if someonegot murdered with a stabbing.
You get people going there andfeel a sharp stab in their you
know, left side or somethinglike that.
Like it seems like that plays apart in haunting sometimes.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh, absolutely yeah, yeah, but yeah, no, that's a.
It's a nice quiet little bedand breakfast.
Really good food there.
Yeah, it's a nice quiet littlebed and breakfast.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Really good food there.
Yeah, it's a super cute place.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Charlotte fit us well , but yeah, it's very
comfortable.
And when we were doing that andwe were getting all those
responses and stuff like that onthe tripwire and then we took a
break to change camera mediaand stuff like that, the whole
time that we were on break thatthing did not go off once.
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Huh, not until we went back upand started asking questions
again.
Then it started going off again.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Okay.
So it was like she wascommunicating with you only when
you wanted to talk, kind of.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Right, yeah, that's yeah, anytime.
Nobody was up there askingquestions, it was just a trip
wire.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's pretty cool.
That was pretty cool.
I really enjoyed that episode.
Have you ever walked into ahouse and had any sort of
experiences with emotions likethat?
Maybe something that was commonin that house or something that
happened like an common in thathouse, or something that
happened like an activity inthat house that may have um the
only place that I've gotaffected so far through all our
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episodes was in season two whenwe did the Carrick Park's house
Okay, um, don't know what was inthere.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I didn't realize I was acting strange at the time
until they told me I was.
When we went back there thesecond time, I did not have that
issue at all.
And you know, the first time,in the room where it started, we
were picking up a strangegeomagnetic anomaly in there,
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and that was not there thesecond time we went back either.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So that was really strange.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, that is, that's , interesting.
It's very interesting that itwouldn't be there.
Like it's not consistent, Right.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So whatever affected me was there that night and you
know, myself and Brandon bothgot affected in that room.
He had walked out before I did.
I stayed in there a little bitlonger and then after that it
was just like I was kind of itwas kind of dazed, kind of loopy
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Huh, and you didn't.
You guys don't know if therewas anything that may have
correlated with that.
That happened there, or?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I, you guys don't know if there was anything that
may have correlated with thatthat happened there.
I mean the place was used as aCivil War hospital after the
Battle of Perryville, so it'shad quite the history.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, so that easily could have been dizziness and
feeling yourself A lot of things.
Yeah, yeah, it could have beena lot of things.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Can we talk about, too, what you guys were talking
about last time?
When you tell a story outside,oh yeah, I have it in my notes.
I just want to make sure wetalk, because that's a really
really good point.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I think I'm here.
We should try the Hinsdalehouse.
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So what that is is oh , yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember
that.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, so I brought it up.
It's a super um, it's superinteresting theory and I saw it,
uh, originally on kindredspirits, I believe.
Yes, um, they did this umexperiment where they were
outside of the location, a waysaway from it.
They made up a fake story, aname, a situation, all that kind
of stuff and then when theywent back to the location, they
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talked about it like just toother, just like it was a
conversation, and they were like, yeah, this person you know
died here.
This is what happened.
And they made up this wholenarrative and they actually um,
I believe it was through aspirit box section, but they
actually got evidence umcorrelating with that fake story
.
Um, and I thought that that wassuper interesting with the
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whole theory about sometimes um,spirits or energies at a
location can kind of mold intowhat you want or you manifested
it or you manifest it thoughtfor manifestation.
I'm blanking on what that'scalled that and uh, but I
actually it was funny, because Ithink I brought this up in the
last one too was that I actuallytried that with somebody at a
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location and it did not, as itdidn't work as well as theirs
did, but we did get answers backthat correlated with our
quote-unquote fake story.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
These locations in these towns that do you know
these year-round ghost walks andhaving that many people
thinking about that story nightafter night in these locations
is that keeping you know theseenergies alive in there or is it
manifesting certain energies inthere?
(36:44):
Yeah, it's pretty much law ofattraction you know 15, 15, 20,
30 people focusing on one storyat the same time.
Yeah, can that create it?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
yeah, and that's a lot when it comes to, like,
certain cryptids and everything.
There's thought that you knowthe mass population thinking
that slenderman is real actuallycreated, that being because he
has been spotted and, um,there's actually a couple
cryptids that they said.
The idea behind that is whatformed it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's basically law of attraction.
Oh yeah, you're just putting itout there.
You're just putting it outthere.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Did you guys put out winning the lottery or something
I know.
I don't know how tallSlenderman is supposed to be,
but he's kind of creepy looking.
I never watched that movie.
No, neither did I.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
What about Hat man?
We did talk about that last.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
How do you feel?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
about Hat man Kevin.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I have seen that two or three times during sleep
paralysis.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I have a whole theorythat I thought of with hat men
and shadow men and everything insleep, so sleep okay.
So hat men and shadow men havebeen seen all over the world,
right hat men there's likethousands of accounts of people
seeing this figure, entity,whatever you want to call it.
And um, I mean, I have threepictures from one location alone
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, with the hat man.
I know a location.
Yeah, I know, but we're notgoing to name it.
Okay, it's like Voldemort.
It's like it, it's a locationthat shall not be named.
We have to pray, and so a lotof times when you you hear about
shadow figures or hat men, it'sduring sleep paralysis.
That's actually a very, verycommon thing, people you know.
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Say when they experience this,why?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Because they have domination.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
No, wait.
So I mean, I don't know, butthis is what I think.
So you know how people talkabout there's a veil and it
separates the two worlds.
Well, usually sleep paralysisis your mind waking up before
your body, right, you're notfully awake, and I always
thought about that and thatwhole theory about when you're
falling asleep is the best timeto experience something
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paranormal, because you're kindof like in that middle plane
sort of your mind's more awakeor not, I'm sorry, more open,
and you're more open to kind ofhear things, that type of stuff.
Um, so I always thought aboutwhat if, during sleep paralysis,
you wake up and you're likeseeing what's on the other side
of that veil Like you're notsupposed to but you're not
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completely awake in our worldand you're getting a little
glimpse of what's actually there?
That was just something Ithought of one day and I was
like, huh, that's kind ofinteresting, because I'm like he
has to have.
I know there's a whole talkabout him being interdimensional
right and everything which I'vekind of read on, but I'm like
there's something to him becauseso many people have seen him
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and have experienced him and Ithink it's more than just
everyone making him up.
Yeah I think there's morebehind that.
But yeah, I just thought I wasthinking about it and that's
just kind of a thought thatoccurred to me.
I'm like what if?
During sleep paralysis?
Speaker 1 (39:50):
why you think he only shows up.
Why does he do that?
Or this entity?
Is it for domination?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
no, they're known as watchers.
From what I read, they controllike um shadow figures and like
entities in a location.
Usually they're they're knownto like uh they're controlling
the sleep world, like historyyeah, that I don't know it, I
just I heard you're supposed tohave all the answers.
I know I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I gotta do more reading give me time, I'll read
more about okay, jenny is a bigreader yeah, I read a lot.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, I think we've talked about that before.
We talked about books.
She's like a walkingencyclopedia but, um, no, I was
just thinking about it one daybecause I, um, I have a book by
um, this guy, mike, he uh wrotea book on shadow figures and hat
man, great book.
But um, I was just my brain wasjust going, I don't know,
spiraling about it and I wasjust kind of thinking of a bunch
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of different theories andthat's one that kind of popped
in my head because it is very Ilove that.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
That's the x-files so I was trying to turn.
My phone was going off, tryingto turn my sound off on it and I
hit the wrong button but um,it's like the x-files theme
plays as we're talking about thehat man.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's awesome.
I miss that man.
That went on forever, but um,yeah, that's just a theory.
I I had a friend too that sleepparalysis, woke up and he had
shadow figures standing aroundhim.
So, I was just thinking aboutall that and that's kind of what
I thought of when I was youngerand I was falling asleep I
heard a deep voice next to myear and just kind of all those
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thoughts went into one.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So the last one I remember is like I woke up and I
saw it like walk across theedge of my room.
The last one I remember is likeI woke up and I saw it like
walk across the edge of my room.
But then the next thing Iremember is I was on my back and
it was on top of me.
I could feel the knees pushedin on the beds beside me, like
he was sitting over the top ofme and his hands were up here on
my chest holding me down, likepushing me down into the bed.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
And see, and that's that's terrifying.
It's like I could feel that Icould feel the bed pushed down
beside me where the knees weresitting over my chest.
See, and that's another thoughtI had, because I was uh, one
book I have that I was readingabout, like ufos and abductions
and everything um a lot of sleepparalysis.
Symptoms are very similar toabductees and people who have
been abducted.
When you wake up and there'sfigures around you, you can't
move you can't talk, you losetime like it's a lot.
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They all kind of share the samestories and um, a lot of people
who have been abducted don'teven realize it until they're
put under hypnosis, which againis opening your mind.
What?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
do you do when you fall asleep?
Right, have either one of youguys astral projected before?
No, no whether it's intentionalor intentional.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, I did that, I'd be like what the are you doing?
Go back down.
I'd probably freak myself out.
But um, yeah, I was.
Just I was thinking about allthose things and how they kind
of in a weird way, seemconnected, sort of Like sleep,
sleep paralysis, your mindopening like that weird stage in
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between falling asleep andbeing awake.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Well, astral projection's in there too.
Yeah, where yeah, you lift outof your body.
That's the same thing as sleepparalysis, basically.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Well, astral projection, don't they um
usually see themselves floatingabove their body that can.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
That is a big part of it, but you can also go to a
location or go somewhere yeah,and then you don't fly.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
And people said they've seen like lights and but
that's and all that that's that, that state, that conscious
state too, that that's prettymuch.
It all kind of rivets togetheryeah, but that's kind of my
theory on I I.
Hatman to me is just I mean,don't get me wrong, I don't want
to wake up and see him standingnext to my bed, but it's super
interesting it's not pleasantwhen I think of hatman, I think
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of the poltergeist, the old guythat was dying.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, oh, do you want to know a creepy fact about?
Speaker 3 (43:47):
it.
I mean, you know I'm a hugemovie person.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, he's dying.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
No so in the second one he was dying.
So in the third one, when theymade the third one which that
third one is freaky and I havethem all I still watch them.
Those really, they scare memore than any modern horror
movie Go to the light.
Well, so because he died in thesecond one, they wanted the guy
to look like him.
In the third one, before hepassed away, they made a mold of
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his face, and in the third onethe actor is actually wearing
the mold of the actor's face.
Yeah, after he passed away.
I'm like that makes that movieeven freakier.
That's great you guys couldn'tfind someone that just looked
like him.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Wow, they really went yeah deep with that movie.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
but um, yeah, so that's just.
Uh.
Hat man and shadow man I thinkare super interesting in the
paranormal and at a locationthat I worked at, shadow figures
were like a super common thing.
I mean it was, it was nothingto go in, you know, go up to the
office on.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, but it was way better when it was original
there.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
We documented a really good one in season one,
episode two, at the LouisvilleBourbon Inn.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I believe I saw that clip.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's a bed and breakfast that's in a Louisville
you can go stay at, and thatwas caught on the emccd camera
as well.
And, uh, that's, that's one ofthe ones where I, you know, talk
about looking at it from.
You know, like my policebackground, stuff like that.
It's like you know anyone wouldsay, well, that was just
somebody casting the shadow,okay, but you would have to have
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a matching stairwell on theother side to have it backlit
and have a person walk up it.
But the shadow we captured isbetween the rails and the stairs
.
It's not projected on theoutside of the rails, so that
means it was in the stairwellgoing up.
And then later you see myselfand Mustafa walk up the stairs
and we don't look anything likewhat that did.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, and it doesn't cast the same shadow.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
No, and it's exactly what people have reported seeing
there.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Now, of course, there's a lot of theories on
what shadow figures are.
What do you think they are?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I mean this one.
I think this one was a residualhaunting.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I love residual haunting.
I love residual hauntings.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
It's like history in motion.
It's amazing.
I think it was the girl.
I mean, we didn't really findanything that she ever existed,
but the story's been told somany times and it's actually
documented in newspapers.
Was that a type of thought formmanifestation?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
yeah, and that's residual really quick, though it
doesn't always have to be likehistoric.
It could be like the day beforesomeone died and they forgot
they died so quickly, right, andthen they keep visiting because
they don't know that they'redead I think it could be yeah, I
mean it's possible well,typically it's not thought to be
intelligent, it's just supposedto be like a memory playing
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back over and over again.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Usually it's like something that was like
imprinted in time in a littlefabric of history.
It was just so like at theplace I worked there was.
It was, let's just say, an oldhospital and I was down, I was
on one of the floors, I was insolitary confinement, I was with
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a whole group and it was.
I started getting super excited.
The girl in the cell with mestarted crying and I was like no
, you don't know what this isthere's no crying in ghosts yeah
, there's no crying inparanormal investigating and uh,
but um, we heard we're allwe're doing quiet time, we're
all.
You know there's probably aboutseven, eight of us in these
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cells and, um, we're all quiet.
And you hear it starts kind offar away and it comes closer.
And know those shoes thatnurses used to wear, the thick
heels like it's like a square.
You hear that walking on thefloor.
I'm on the second floor a lot.
This was on a higher up floor.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Fifth you ever heard it.
On the second, though.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
No, oh, girl.
And so we heard that walk up tothe door we were in and, of
course, the girl.
There was two other girls inthe room with me and one of them
was like oh my God, what isthat?
And she like started kind oflike whimpering and I'm like no,
no, no, be very quiet.
And you heard it stop at ourdoor.
And then it continued walkingdown the hallway and then it
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stopped walking down the hallwayand stopped and I told her I
was like no, I was like I for it.
No, equipment went off.
I had, um, a couple of REM podsout there, I had a music box, I
had a lot of stuff that motioncensored would have been set off
and nothing went off.
Um, there was probably aboutsix of us that heard the exact
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same thing and I was.
I told her.
I said I believe that that thatthat was residual.
I said I think we were luckythat we were in the right place
at the right times.
What we were doing by sitting inthose rooms, I think, maybe
sparked a memory and at onepoint in time, a nurse was
coming to check on patients andwe were just lucky enough to be
able to experience that littlechunk of history that was
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replaying for us.
And she she looked at me.
She's like are you freakingcrazy?
That was still creepy and I'mlike that was awesome.
I was like so ecstatic just tobe able to experience that.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
That's when you used to get good stuff there.
The problem with that place isthat there's too much added
things that have came into there.
Yeah, it's yeah, and it'slayered now.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
It would be really hard to like get good evidence
now.
Yeah, well, to determine whereit, where it came from.
Yeah, I that place always havea special special spot in my
heart there's too, much.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Well, yeah, I mean shit, I go.
I mean, I can tell you backwhen the all the whole kitchen
was there, yeah, and who youknow?
That's the thing too aboutlocations like I don't know, if
people take them over and theyget rid of stuff that was
already in there, that'ssupposed to be stuck there in
history.
Don't you think that affects,you know, like anything, the
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residuals, like the, the time,the time, even like a time
capsule?
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Ticks, tick something off that you know.
Maybe there was like actuallythere was um that specific place
.
There was a uh, what was it?
It was in a book.
It was a doctor, I think thatwas caught in the kitchen at one
point.
He was wearing a white coat, orat least that's what they
thought he was.
Oh, the.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
You know, you may have a spirit that is fond of
something that was yeah, it wastaken out and I would think that
.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
But why take all that stuff out?
Why not leave it?
Some people don't, you know,appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I guess, I guess you didn't hit the lotto yet.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Buy it I, I, I absolutely love history and I
think if historic places aretrying, if you're trying to save
, I mean, of course you're goingto have to change some things
and update some things.
You know, right, you took code,yeah, or it's gonna, it's gonna
fall to pieces.
But, um, I think, uh, anyonewho genuinely wants to preserve
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history and preserve thesehistoric locations and have
people learn about them, theywill try to keep as much
original to that building aspossible.
Right, because that's how youlearn.
That's how you, you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, we've been to places where they've had a lot
of the original family's stuffstill in there.
That's awesome, I love that.
And I think that definitely canhold some energy.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah, oh yeah, I think that can too.
Oh yeah, I think that can too.
I think everyone, I think justkind of leaves like a blueprint
of their energy as they gothrough.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, and especially, you know when you get a spike
in energy, when you introducecertain things into a house.
You know that may have beenthere at one time.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Oh, and I kind of want to jumpback.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I had a.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
It's funny.
I was talking with somebody andthey're like you know you're
crazy for going into theseplaces that are haunted, like
aren't you scared of what'sthere?
And I always tell them I'm likehumans scare me a lot more than
ghosts do than the living does,or yeah, than the dead, anyways
.
But I was telling somebody, Isaid I'm a huge believer and I'd
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like to kind of know yourthoughts on this.
But I said I think that stuff'sall around us and how you were
saying that you guys went tothat one house and it was there
the one time and then you wentback and it wasn't there and it
may have been somethingconnected to the property, which
I think you can go to areas andlocations where it's more
concentrated because of whathappened there.
But I think that stuff'severywhere.
(52:28):
I think things can come and go.
You can spot something itdoesn't just have to be at night
.
Well, there's so many reportsof people seeing apparitions
just walking across the street.
Oh yeah, what is that?
I think that stuff's everywhere.
You just you know you can go tolocations, and it shows up more
think that stuff's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
you just you know you can go to locations and it
shows up, I think.
I think a lot of people haveseen things and don't realize
that they have yes because it'sjust so matter of fact it's just
there.
It's like.
I mean, I think some can appearso realistic that you don't
realize that that's what it isyes, so.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
So I went to the Winchester house recently.
Have you been there?
Speaker 1 (53:10):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
That place is amazing .
It is amazing.
But one of the things that shetold us that kind of went with
what you said, was um, one ofthe workers there that was very
loyal to um uh, oh my gosh, hername just totally slipped my
brain his wife, sarah oh my gosh, her name just totally slipped
my brain.
His wife, sarah, sarah.
Thank you, sarah Winchester,very, very loyal to her, moved
(53:34):
with her and was there with her.
You know where she built thehouse and everything.
They call him the wheelbarrowman and they actually have a
picture of him up in the kitchenand there have been guests who
have talked to him and theythought he was a worker.
They thought he was a worker,they thought he was just an
actor.
And he, they said he lookedsolid.
(53:55):
He's where he wears overallsand he uses a wheelbarrow and he
doesn't, um, really respond.
But they would go back and belike, oh, you know, there was a
guy out there he didn't reallytalk, like is he okay?
Or they would say he was niceor anything.
They're like, yeah, he's notactually a worker, but he, he
looked solid.
He looked like a person, he's aghost.
He's a ghost, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I mean you get a lot of that with these Civil War
battlefields, People saying, oh,I like the reenactors you had
out there.
We didn't have anybody outthere.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I would love to visit Gettysburg.
I've heard a lot aboutGettysburg next summer?
Speaker 1 (54:24):
you suck, I'm gonna go there come down here come
visit perryville yes, I, I wouldlove.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I actually want to get back to waverly, I don't
think that is that far fromperrysville um, it's a little
over an hour we're planning onum getting waverly for a whole
weekend.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yes, it's gonna it.
I think it's so important to bethere for a whole entire at
least two days, two nights, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I loved Waverly.
But one thing I realized youcouldn't do there, which it
didn't dawn on me when I wasfirst there, like when we toured
.
You can't do EVPs or anythingthere on a windy night.
It just doesn't work.
Oh, because the windows areopen.
Yeah, because there's so muchopen space there.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
And that's why I like video why I like video.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
I like being able to see things.
Yes, videos.
I take a ton of pictures, whichI took, two at waverly that I
sent you those were pretty cool.
Um the smoke yeah, I don't knowwhat that was what's that
called again echo?
Echoplasm echo, that's what itlooks like to me I I don't know,
we tried to find spider webs oranything to debunk that.
But yeah, so another episode ofyour guys' that I really liked
(55:33):
and I would love to visit therewas the Jailer's Inn.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Jailer's Inn is awesome.
It's a very awesome bed andbreakfast that you can actually
go stay at.
Yeah, I would love to visitthere.
We've been there twice.
We've done a couple eventsthere Super, super active and
that one actually has documentedghost stories going back to the
early 1900s.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
I actually have that written down in my notes.
100 years of ghost stories yeah, that is really really cool.
Did you have any particularexperience there that kind of
sticks out to you or anythingthat happened there?
Speaker 2 (56:11):
I mean that that one.
The first time we went, it waslike whatever was there was
moving, it's like you couldfollow the EMF with it, which
was super interesting.
We got some really, really goodEVP out of there as well Really
good EVP out of there as well.
You know having control camerasset up when nobody's in there
(56:31):
and picking up you know whatsounds like somebody coughing
and the guy had died of typhoidfever.
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
While he was waiting, executionon death row yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
Do you think that that was possibly residual, more
so than?
Speaker 2 (56:50):
No, I think that one's more intelligent.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
More intelligent.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Okay, and how would you?
I mean if you can kind of think, I guess, of an explanation,
but how would you determine,more so, if it's residual or
intelligent when it comes tosomething like that?
Speaker 2 (57:08):
if it's residual or intelligent.
When it comes to something likethat, well, it's intelligent.
I mean, a lot of it goes into,like the questions you start
asking, and if you get responsesto those questions.
One thing that we'll dosometimes is we'll ask you know,
just the general questions andstuff like that, but then we'll
just throw something out of theleft field and see, you know, do
they respond to that as well?
And if not, I would say it'smore intelligent.
(57:29):
If it still goes off, I'd be,you know, a little bit less
credible with it.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
Okay, okay, I like that.
That's actually a good idea.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Are you guys traveling overseas at all?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
We'd love to eventually.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
That'd be great.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
There's so much history over there, I know
Europe alone.
Oh my God.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, there's so much history over there.
I would love to go to Scotlandand Ireland and tour castles and
everything I know.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
The castles are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah, that would be a dream.
I'm afraid I wouldn't come back.
Speaker 1 (58:01):
Probably not.
You are like the fairy tale oflike I I won't say goth, but
yeah, you're in the castlesreading all day.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
Oh my gosh, yeah, they'd have to kick me out.
Yeah, they'd be like get thisweird girl out of this window.
She keeps sitting.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Nothing wrong with the reader girl, you're smart.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
I was talking to a guy I used to work out work out
with at the gym in LA.
I can't remember what countryhe was from, but he's like oh,
you should come over here andinvestigate, you know, and I was
like I'd like to eventually.
So we have a lot of ghosts andstuff here.
He goes, yeah, but ours don'thave heads maybe added everyone
over there it's like I'm on myway that's awesome, that's so
(58:41):
funny.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
And, um, there's yeah , there's a.
I don't.
I would love, I would lovethat'd be a dream to go over
there and investigate.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
When is your next season?
Start of your show.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
Can't say exactly that yet, but we are currently
working on the edit of seasonfive, and so that will hopefully
be out sometime, I'd say earlynext year maybe.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Okay, and can you repeat again how you can see
your show, what the platformsthat you're on?
Speaker 2 (59:11):
So it airs on Haunt TV, which is free streaming
service through Tubi, roku,vizio, anything like that.
Haunt also has some of theepisodes on their YouTube page,
and then you can always followour social media Instagram,
facebook I think Brandon put aTikTok up now for Haunted
Discoveries as well, so followalong on all the platforms.
(59:32):
Cool, we're on X and we'll beposting, you know, reels for
some of the episodes and keepeverybody updated on new
releases and stuff like that.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Yeah, you guys are also on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
I know I've watched a couple episodes on YouTube and
then you know not only HauntedDiscoveries, but we also have
Haunted Discoveries FamilySpirits, our spinoff show, which
is also airing as well.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Nice, that's awesome.
Can you give us a quicksynopsis about what that is?
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
or what that's about.
So Family Spirits is more of arecreation type show.
We bring in and interviewpeople that feel like they're
being haunted by past loved ones, and then Craig goes into a
deep genealogical research tolook for familial connections
and stuff like that with thefamily.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Oh, I like that.
That's a really cool idea.
It's already aired.
Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, there's a few episodes that's aired already.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Okay, that is haunted .
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
That's Haunted Discover's Family Spirits.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, that's a really cool idea.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I love that so we have four episodes, four
episodes filmed, two episodeshave aired and three and four
have not aired yet.
Okay, we're actually stillfinishing up season four.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Wow, so you guys are probably busy all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
You guys are just busting it out non-stop that's a
lot of filming and editing andthen you're working on top of
that yeah, because I mean like,even when we finish like a
season, you know brandon goesinto the edit and stuff like
that, and Mustafa goes through alot of the audio and I go
through every piece of controlcamera footage we have as well.
(01:01:12):
Wow, so you know we have fouror five control cameras up to
location.
I sit and go through every clipof control camera footage, oh
my word.
And then I give that over toBrandon for the edit and then
he'll, you know, match it upwith certain spots in the edit.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I've gone through like a couple hours of like
video and I'm like okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I'm ready to break.
Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
That's nuts.
That's awesome, though, so okay.
So to wrap up, we got Kevinwith Haunted Discoveries.
It's an awesome show, so anyonelistening should definitely
check it out.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Check it out.
Let us know what you think.
Leave comments.
Interact.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Hope everyone enjoys it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Yeah, very, very good show.
I'm enjoying it, it is.
I love your guys' investigationtechniques.
Yeah, you guys don't goscreaming into a house saying
everything's humans.
No, oh, don't get me startedwith that, becky, very rarely
you know how.
I feel, that's refreshing forme.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Getting to investigate with Brandon and
Mustafa and Craig.
It's been a lot of fun.
We have a lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Just the energy, I think really kind of helps get
the evidence that we havecollected so far.
That's one thing that kind ofbrought my attention to your
guys's show.
Is I like them when they wereon Ghost Hunters?
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
And.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Brandon was always kind of more serious about it,
like when it came to evidenceand came to, he took it very
seriously and I like that,because a lot of paranormal
stuff nowadays is very for views, for clicks for you know
Jenny's very serious, I am.
Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Jenny's on the ball Like she's the boss and I like
that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I'm like we're here to investigate.
We're not here to, like youknow, party or run around and
scream or like yeah.
Like everyone shut up and let'sdo EVPs, like that's how I, yeah
.
But so, yeah, that's kind ofwhat.
Um, I think I put brandon on myfacebook first and then, when
he started doing the show, Ithink, slowly I just kind of
(01:03:13):
requested you all.
I believe that's how it kind ofwent.
But, um, that's how I firstfound out about the show,
because I, like brandon andmustafa from ghost hunters, saw
that they were doing this and Iwas like, oh, I'm gonna check
that out, because I always likedthe way they investigated and
it went over like that's.
One thing I love about yourguys' show is it's very.
We're here to find evidence,we're here to go over history.
We're not here just to getlikes and views.
(01:03:35):
I like the tools, even thatthey use.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yes, Right, like I said, we like to use things
that's not necessarily built forparanormal investigating.
Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Yeah, and sometimes that works very well though.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, and I want is that works very well though.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Yeah, and I want a trip wire oh my gosh, I want a
trip.
That thing is so cool, but um,yeah, so definitely.
Uh, anyone listening check outhaunted discoveries great
paranormal show um, absolutelyand yeah, check out jen too.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Jen scott oh yeah, you know jen keeps me current.
I keep telling her she's acelebrity.
I'm'm going to be watching heron TV with all you guys one day.
Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Oh, I don't think, kevin.
Well, I don't know if you'veheard of it, kevin, I told you
where I'm going next.
Right, where are you going?
Well, I got my undisclosedlocation.
That will be my live, for thatwill be the 4th or the 5th no
one knows where that's at yet.
And live, jerk, and uh, then onthe 9th I actually get to um,
(01:04:33):
we're leading investigations atjackson state prison.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Wow, yes, so I'm super excited.
You're gonna be working withrusty, no, nope, uh, me and
david you're okay no, rusty, didinvestigate there though yeah,
because he does the uh jacksonwalks and stuff.
Yeah, haunted stuff, yeah, coolstuff yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Cool, yeah, jen's like she's a trailblazer.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, it's fun.
I like doing stuff she does.
She gets a lot of locations setup, she talks to it.
She's really good at networking.
So, yeah, I like meeting newpeople.
Yeah, yeah, hearing new ideas.
Kevin, you've been great.
You know, you have been such agood sport.
I'm so sorry we're not.
We don't Hopefully this oneworks.
(01:05:13):
We're still winging it.
You know, it's been two yearsnow.
We've been very patient.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Yes, so yes we appreciate you being on.
Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I loved you being on.
Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Thank you so much.
It's been fun.
Yeah, yeah, I too.
I love just being on withpeople and talking about this
stuff.
It's interesting to heardifferent point of views,
different experiences differentyou know, that's how you.
I think that that all goes inwith learning.
Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yes, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Gather data, collect it, look at it, have other
people look at it and.
Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, yeah, and I think that how you got to be
open-minded too, you got to beable to have people say, no, I
don't think that's what that is,I think it's this I always say,
and then ask yourself why is itthis?
yeah, yeah you know process ofelimination and see what you can
figure out yeah, that's why Ilove like investigating with
other people, like going ongroup, even public sometimes,
(01:06:06):
even though there's a lot ofpeople and you're like, ah, shut
up, there's so much noise.
It's just kind of fun to meetnew people and see how they
investigate and how youinvestigate and, yeah, you learn
stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Now, how do you pronounce your last?
Can you say your full name,cause it will pick up on my when
I go to edit.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Oh yeah, my last name is Adi Adi.
Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Oh yeah, my last name is Adi Adi, so Kevin Adi with
Haunted Discoveries.
I want to make sure I waspronouncing it right, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
That's cool.
I think I asked all myquestions from my two pages of
notes.
Hey, that's good I had to,because when I get on these
things anytime I'm like on Faceto face, anytime someone's
watching me or I'm like you know, in where I got to talk and I
know people are going to befocusing on it I just my brain
goes blank.
I just can't I have to havenotes, for even at work, when I
(01:06:53):
have to do like store, meetingsand everything, I have a sheet
of notes, because as soon as Ilook up and everyone's looking
at me, I'm like oh, what's myname, what was I supposed to be
doing?
It just goes blank.
Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
so but yeah, well, thanks for hopping on again.
Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I appreciate you if this one doesn't work, we're
just being like you know what?
We had three really goodconversations.
Yeah, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I manifested, manifested, wait, manifesting,
no, but it already happened whatsentence are you trying to say?
Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
It already, we manifested it already it already
happened.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
You had this problem last time.
Now I'm having this problem.
What word could we not remember?
It was something so stupid andI had to look it up.
Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I was talking to you on the phone.
What word was it I couldn'tpronounce?
And you're like, I'm not goingto let you forget that.
Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Oh shoot Now.
I forgot it.
Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Ha, yes, that's awesome.
Damn my brain.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, there was a word I could not get out.
Anyway, we manifested italready happened and it worked
Right Put it in the universe,but all right.
Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, thank you for being on.
I'm looking forward to seasonfive.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
I got to get caught up with the rest of the seasons.
I need to get caught up.
Well, I will, because I'll beon maternity leave.
Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah, I just sit up.
Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Get caught up.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, yeah, lucky ass .
I hope baby loves ghost shows,if he doesn't, oh it's your baby
.
They're going to have to.
Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Well, unless they're like Paul and they're like no,
but we really at hinsdale, Iwant there's.
I know I said this on the lastone.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
There's some crazy shit that happened to her at
hinsdale.
Yeah, so I'm like, well, justme and you need to go, so we can
see like I'm kind of scared.
I'm kind of scared, I'll belike jenny.
Jenny, it's healthy, we'll befine, we'll be, walking off.
Yeah, they walking off cryingand paranormal investigating
exactly and uh.
Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
So I told her, me and her should go, but we should do
that thing where we make up astory before we get there and
then we stay over there just tokind of like see how that plays
out, because that is such aninteresting, uh, interesting
thing, yeah, like theory,whatever you want to call it
that place is very layered toohas have you been in still?
I have not oh well, it has.
(01:09:10):
There's a lot of layers, it's aton of layers and I don't think
it helps that, like everyonewho's been there has done, like
there was a group that wentthere that did a blood sacrifice
, and it's, of course, youtubeand tiktok and you know so they
try to do all these extremethings, and I think that when
you do stuff like that, you maybe messing with stuff that
you're not aware of and it justadds on to things, and I'm like
(01:09:35):
I love going into like myundisclosed location, which I
can tell you guys, I don'treally care.
Is this being recorded?
Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Yeah Well, never mind , I'll text you because I have
to say we're special, we nevermind.
I'll text you because I have tosay we're special.
Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
We get a text, but so just edit this part out.
A friend of mine bought what isa building that was used as the
first funeral home in Toledo,ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Okay.
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