Bigfoot & Dogmen in the Appalachias w/ Harley Owens

On this edition of the Strangeology Podcast I bring on brand new guest, cryptid & Bigfoot researcher, Harley Owens of Bigfoot Reports & Data. We go into his jumping off point of getting into in the field Bigfoot research, along with his encounters with these creatures, and some other terrifying things out in the Appalachian wilderness, like Dogman. 

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
You're listening to the Strangeology Podcast. I'm your host, Jeff Floren,
and this is your place to explore the weird, strange
and unexplained from cryptids and creatures, the paranormal, aliens and UFOs,
forbidden knowledge, ancient mysteries, conspiracies and more. Hey everyone, and
welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for

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hanging out today. Coming up on today's edition of the
show is a conversation about encounters with Bigfoot and dogmen
in the Appalachis which is a perfect way to start
the spooky season. I hope you all enjoyed my recent
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the top cryptid for every state in the United States,

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in Appalachia, Eastern Tennessee specifically, I'm sure everyone knows at

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Of course. All right, that's enough of that. Why don't
we get into today's episode. So on this one, I
brought on a brand new guest, bigfoot researcher Harley Owens,
and we had a wild conversation about his experience diving
into the world of bigfoot research, dogmen research in the appalaches,

(05:29):
doing boots on the ground investigations and even having encounters
with these creatures. And one brief note before we get started,
there was some audio latency issues on my end with
my previous audio interface that I recorded with, which was

(05:49):
apparently failing, so I have a new one. Now sounds great,
but there were a couple sections where the audio on
my end started sounding a little bit choppy. I tried
to clean it up the best I could. It's mostly listenable,
but apologies ahead of time. I know that can be
annoying for some of you out there, but this is

(06:11):
a very interesting episode, so sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. All right, folks, welcome back to the show.
Joining me today is Harley Owens from Bigfoot Reports and

(06:34):
Data over on YouTube. Harley is a researcher and investigator
based in eastern Tennessee. So how's it going today, man,
Glad to find you, have you all?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, sir, it's it's been a minute, you know. We've
been trying to get this worked out and we finally
made it happen, and I'm glad to be here. You know,
it's been a long time coming, and I'm looking forward
to sharing some of my encounters and experiences and you know,
I'm just talking a little bit about what's going on
here in Easter ten to see because quite Franklin does
a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, exactly. So can you can you tell me listeners
a little bit about your whatt you into?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah? So, growing up, I always heard the stories, you
know of the mountain giants, the woodburgers and all this
other stuff that's crawling around in the mountains. Well, I
didn't buy into it. You know. I believed in black panthers,
you know, because I've heard them, you know, and there's
nothing like here in a black panthers scream and echoing
through the valleys. So twenty twenty, I go out and

(07:35):
when I was working in an auction company at this time,
before I became a lineman, because when I got out
of the high school, I didn't want to be a
lineman like my dad. So I went and worked for
my dad's neighbor who owned the auction company. So we
went up to Pound, Virginia. I was up there for
two weeks. A week prior to me and a buddy
of mine went up and we were talking to the
owner of this saw mill that we were auctioning off.

(07:57):
So we got talking to the guy and he was
telling us about this bear that was coming into the
sawmill and taking trash out of the dumpsters and stuff.
And I was like, well, he pretty good sized bear.
He's like, yeah, he's decent sized, he said, but there's
far wors things in the woods and him. And I'm like, whoa,
what is this guy talking about? You know, I'm like, okay,
there's venomous snakes, you know, there's mountain lions and all

(08:18):
this other stuff. And I'm like, what, what could be
that bad? And then I jokingly said, in my head,
like black panthers, that's what he's talking about. Bigfoot was
the last thing on my mind. So going on the
rest of that week, nothing happened. We had the auction.
On a Saturday. My boss came up to me. He said,
you want to stay up here for another week? And
I said yeah. I said that's fine with me. I

(08:39):
said more money. So I stayed up there for another
week and I helped people load stuff that they bought.
But Sunday came around and it was raining and I
was like, you know what, I'm not just gonna sit
in this hotel all day. I said, I'm gonna go
out here and get some work done. So I went
out there and I was riding around. I s gets
here getting stuff ready for who everyone was gonna come

(09:00):
pick up their equipment. Well, I got done doing what
I was doing, and I walked over around next to
the woodline and I got to looking and I'm like,
these tracks are weird. I was like, either that's a
really big person or I jokingly said that's bigfoot. Now
I wear a size twelve boot and these tracks were
a good three or four inches longer than my foot,

(09:22):
and I'm like, okay, this is this is probably just
a homeless person or somebody's playing a prank on me.
So but little I know. I mean, I'm out in
the middle of the boonies at this old Rundown sawmill.
So going on Monday, nothing happened. Tuesday, nothing happened. Wednesday,
September twenty third, twenty twenty Wednesday that literally rocks my world,

(09:44):
you know. So I get out there that morning and
I had a guy already at the gates and I'm like, well, crap.
So I normally would get out there around seven o'clock
in the morning and unlocked the gates so I could
let people in. So this person had already beat me there.
I'm locked the gate at the top of the mountain
and we drove down into the holler and unlocked the
second gate. So I'm driving back in through her and

(10:07):
I get him loaded up. He just had like two
or three pallets and stuff and he went on his way.
So I'm just sitting there and I'm like, okay, my
hours went by, and I'm like, okay, there's nobody else
going to come in here today. I mean, I just
sat there in the skits here. I think I was
playing Angry Birds. If I'm not mistaken, I know I
was playing a game on my phone. But I started

(10:27):
to get hungry, and I went over to the service
truck to get a co cola and a paint butter
sandwich out of the coop. That's all. That's all I
was eating for lunch. That's all I'll ever eat for
lunch to this day. I love his spint butter sandwiches.
So I'll get over to the service truck and I
opened the cooler and I heard this graylish grunt and
I'm like, WHOA, what was that?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I had never heard of sound like that before I
grew up hunting and fishing, you know, I know the
sounds of the woods, and that was something that stuck
out to me. I was like, well, that was weird.
So I love over towards the woodline because where I
was at, I was in this flat and there were
some cliffs around the side, and I'm like, okay, whatever

(11:07):
this is over here in the woods. So I got
to looking on and I was like, okay, there's nothing there.
So I go to try and take a bite out
of my sandwich and I heard it again, and I'm like, well,
what the crap. And I looked up on this cliff
face and it was walking along that cliff and I
was like, well, that's that bear that he was telling
me about. Because I could just see it moving through

(11:28):
the brush. I couldn't tell for sure, but I knew
I seen something black moving through the brush. I'm like, okay,
that's that bird. So I kept looking up in that area. Well,
I looked down, and I looked back up. When I
looked back down, when I looked back up a second time,
I seen it and it was peeking out from around
some bushes looking at me, and I I knew instantly
what it was when I seen it I was like,
holy crap, that's a big foot. These things are real,

(11:50):
people aren't crazy. So I'm standing there looking at this
thing now that's about sixty five seventy yards away from me,
up on this cliff, peeking out looking at me, and
I'm just like, if I don't get a picture of that, saying,
nobody's going to believe me. So I knew if I
was gonna take a video of it, it would have
probably already been gone. So I pulled my phone out,
I took a picture of it, and the weirdest thing happened.

(12:11):
I had a brand new iPhone eight at that time,
and it just shut off and I was like, well,
what the crap. I was hitting the button trying to
get it to come back on, and I was just
sitting here, locked eyes with this thing, and it looked
like it was looking right through me. Like I mean,
I was puny compared to how this thing was. I'm
six six and this thing was a lot bigger than me.
So I'm just sitting here looking and it just turns

(12:33):
around and just disappeared up into the mountain, and I'm like,
holy crap. So I go into the truck. I'm trying
to plug my phone up because I think that it died,
And when it comes back on a couple hours later,
it had the same percent battery that it had when
it died, and I'm just like, well, holy crap, this
is weird. So I'm sitting there and I'm still trying

(12:54):
to wrap my head around that I just seen a
big foot and it's getting around, dusky dark, hacking up everything,
and I'm finishing up paperwork that I have to do,
and that's when they started hollering. And let me tell you,
I have never heard anything quite like what I heard
that night. And I have audio that I can send

(13:15):
to you, and actually have that photograph too I can
send to you. But the audio, I'd love to dude
that the audio is unbelievable. Like they were howling and
well like it was unlike anything I have ever heard.
And I had a spectral analysis done on that audio recently,
and it ranges from two hundred and fifty hertz all

(13:35):
the way up to two thousand herts. I've had people
tell me it was coyotes, elk, everything other than what
it was, and there was multiple creatures in these recordings. Now,
I got out of there after that you know. I
was like, you know what I'm getting out here, But
I had to come back the next day for somebody
else to come pick up their stuff. So I got

(13:57):
back in there and I'm just sitting here. I'm like, man,
if I see this thing, I don't know what I'm
gonna do. So I'm standing there and I go over
to the trail and I find a fresh trackway from
where this thing had came down into that sawmill area.
Now I'm six to six, and I've got a pretty
good stride, and the stride in between each track I

(14:21):
couldn't do. Now I've got the video of that trackway
as well. But it was unbelievable, like me being six
y six and for something to step like that did it.
It's crazy. So I remember this sinkly that evening, they
started howling again right at about the same time, and

(14:42):
there was multiple different ones, but they were further off,
they were much more distant, and yet they still produced
the same quality of sound to two hundred and fifty
hertz all the way up to two thousand. Like it
was unbelievable. So Friday rolls around and I'm leaving and

(15:02):
I go to this drive end diner in Pound, Virginia
called Robos. So I seen these old guys sitting there.
I'm like, Okay, if anybody's gonna know what the heck
this is, it's gonna be these guys. So I just
go over to them and I just strike up conversation
and then I dropped the ball mom and I'm like,
y'all ever seen or heard anything weird in these mountains?
And they're like, well, what did you see? And I
said this. I showed them the picture of it, and

(15:23):
I showed them the videos of the tracks and photos
of the tracks, and I let them listen to the audio,
and they all got quiet, and they were looking back
and forth at each other, and one of them said, well, well,
that's a that's what they call the devil monkeys. And
I'm like, devil monkeys. I said, so that's a bigfoot
and they're like, yeah, devil monkey, bigfoot, sasquatch, all the
same thing. But I'm like that engraved itself into my mind.

(15:46):
I never heard the turned devil monkeys before in my life,
and it really shattered my worldview. After that, I stopped
deer hunting, fishing, everything to do with the outdoors, Like
I will go to work because I work on the
power lines and stuff like I would just had a
fear what I thought was a fear of these things.

(16:07):
And this past Thanksgiving, I mustered up what I thought
was a fear and I went dear hunting. I overcame
my quote unquote fear, and I was like, you know what,
I'm do this. I can go out and look for
his things. And December seventh, I started my field research
and stuff, but I didn't know how to do it.
I'm like, do I find a big I mean, I

(16:30):
just looked up and stumbled across them, and I looked
up Bigfoot research in East Tennessee and lo and behold,
Scott Carpenter's name popped up. But unfortunately he had passed
away at that time. And I'm like, man, so I
reached out to his son and stuff and we talked
and he gave me a lot of insights and stuff,
and we've become great friends now since then. And I'm like,

(16:51):
you know what, I'm just gonna do it. I'm gonna
head out here and hike and see what I'm coming across,
and I record behind me using the back trail camera,
like what Scott Carpenter used, in Man, there's a lot
more than just bigfoot out there, And I found that
out real quick.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yes, Yes, especially in eastern Tennessee, in the Appalachian region,
I had heard of a lot of very interesting stories
of creatures and all sorts of paranormal, high strangeness and
what have you. But yeah, that is a wild, wild story, Harley.

(17:32):
Could you tell, you know, when you heard these these creatures,
could you tell exactly how many there were?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Initially I just thought it was one until I had
the analysis done, but they said there was definitely more
than one individual that was produced in those vocalizations because
of the sounds that they were making. They said it
could have been just different ones responding to that one,
I don't know where, just trying to get me out
of there. They didn't know for certain. All they could

(18:02):
provide me with was there was more than one individual.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty wild, and it's it's very
h I would say, very good to have that analysis
that you know, suggests or maybe even proves that that
was all the same species of animal or whatever you
want to call them.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, exactly, you know. And the funniest thing was I
had somebody, Oh, I know what that is. He's like,
I got a buddy that's a expert in ELK and
he sent the audio to that guy and he said, buddy,
he said, I hate to break it to you, but
that's not an ELK. So and I told him. I
was like, I told you it wasn't ELK. Like I

(18:45):
grew like they reintroduced ELK here in Tennessee and like
the early two thousands, I think, and I've heard ELK.
I mean, they're everywhere here and now, and I knew
it wasn't ELK. Yeah, So it's it's unbelievable, man. It like,
and I've seen it to then I've caught I've captured
more audio, but nothing nothing like what I've captured in

(19:06):
twenty twenty. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely got to hear it, you know,
I I I geez, you know, that's just such a
I'm blown by the My mind's blown by the story.
You know, you hear and read all sorts of stories
like this, but you know, someone you know, coming from
a originally a non believer in this kind of stuff,

(19:30):
and then it just kind of, uh somehow chooses you
out of nowhere for who knows what reason to itself.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yes, exactly, It's like why did it show itself to me?
Of all things? And you know, and I've since then
had five six more encounters in different areas and throughout
Appalachia here. But I'm telling you they're there. They are
everywhere here is like I've been of probably six or

(20:01):
seven different locations and I've run into them every time,
like whether it be just a brief glimpse of seeing one,
but they're out there, and I mean there's a huge,
huge debate on whether they're real or not. And I'll
be wanting to tell you I've caught photographs of them
and I've actually got a video of one too. And

(20:22):
you know, I don't really share a lot of stuff
out there, you know, because I just my whole end
game with all this is let people be aware that
these things are out there, and if I can keep
somebody safe from acting an idiot out there in the
woods taking one of these things off, my goal's been.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Met, right Yeah, Yeah, Now, for sure, you know there's
a lot of people out there that would not you know,
don't have the best intentions for sure, Right, whatever, whatever
these things are, but you know, it's it's really interesting
that you brought up the your brand new iPhone just

(20:58):
dying and on like a full bettery or whatever the
percentage was, it doesn't matter, just stopped working. And you
know there there is often it sounds like high strangeness
type of things associated with a lot of big foot
encounters where electronics can be affected. Obviously there's the whole

(21:20):
blurry blurry photos thing that that happens a lot. But
you know what was Has that been a consistent pattern
in future settings that you've had, Uh?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yes and no, Like when my back trail camera when
I'm hoking, they'll quote unquote what we call zappan. You
know why it happens, You don't know. I mean, could
be a spot and electromagnetic field, It could be anything, honestly,
but it definitely tends to happen more and more. Which
I tend to believe that these creatures, beings, wherever you

(21:58):
want to call them, they are are much much more
intelligent than what we can even imagine. I mean, and
these people that lean more towards the ape effect, I
was like, you know, if it was just an ape,
there would already be one in a Zoo. By now
they would have these regulations in place, you know, they
would they there would be knowledge of them being out there,

(22:20):
but we still don't have that disclosure yet. They've just
come out with the UFO disclosure. Oh hey, we know
about them. It's time for cryptids, honestly, But I mean, honestly,
if we get enough people together, I mean, it may happen,
but I truly highly doubt it because our government is
corrupt and I truly do believe that they are cooking
up some of these things. But you know, after I

(22:43):
started researching, which I will admit, I used to think
that maybe they could be Gigantopithecus. After I first started
my research, I was like, you know what, maybe there
are some kind of lost eight for ancient human. So
I remember just thing. My second encounter. My wife was
with me. She caught a glimpse of it, but she

(23:05):
don't really remember all of it. We weren't out and
we were hiking this trail and I've been in this
area for a week at that time. I started December seventh.
There was literally the seven days being in there, and
we were walking up the trail and when we were
working our way back out She nudges me on the shoulder.
She says, look at that. I said what she said

(23:26):
that There sticks over there. They look like something out
of a movie. And I'm like, okay. Now. I walked
off the trail about thirty hours and I was standing
there looking at it, and i was like, this is weird.
There was like sticks broken up, like sticking up like spikes,
and I'm like, this is not natural. And there was
two logs, and right in between the two logs, it
looks like something had been laying in there. Now, the

(23:48):
gap in between these two logs is probably about five
six feet and you could see where something was laying
in there. Well, me being what I do, I knew.
I was like, I can step this off and see
how big this thing is. I had a size twelve
boot and I stepped it off. It's about eight and
a half feet long, and I'm like, this has got
to be a bigfoot because I'm like, there ain't no

(24:08):
black bear that big here. So I'm staying and there.
I remember distinctly hearing a noise out of my right
hand side. I'm like, okay, there's something over here moving
and I'm like it's probably a bear as I hollered
in my life. I said, stay right there on the trail.
I said, I'm gonna ease on back here into these
bushes and see what I see. Now, we have the
mountain laurels here. They stay green year around. It's excellent

(24:31):
cover for them. So I'm walking straight back and I
come across this huge game trail, like I don't know
if it's from the elk or the big foot or what,
but it's just huge, Like there's just tree snapped off
real high. It's just a perfect trail. And I'm standing
there in the mill's trail and I just get this
gut field that I need to look to my right.

(24:51):
I just turned on the dime and I looked and
there was a tree and well this reddish brown bigfoot
walked in behind the tree. And I'm like, oh crap.
This is a lot closer than my first one, Like
this one was like thirty yards away from me, and
it was close, and I remember just thinkly, I'm like,
what do I do? I was just froze. Now I'm

(25:14):
standing there and I'm looking at this tree. This thing
is behind it steps out from behind a tree, and
it's facing directly towards me, and he crouches down and
there's a bush and he picks his head out of
the bush to look at he's ready. He got reddish
brown hair, he got gray skin, he got these jet
black eyes. And I'm just sitting here like, holy crap.

(25:36):
It's like looking into the eyes of human almost like
when I was looking into its eyes and it was
looking in the mind, like there was some kind of
soul there. Essentially, it was weird. And all of a sudden,
to my left there was a loud pop in a smack,
and I'm like, oh gosh. And then right behind me

(25:57):
there was one stumping, like just stomping in place, and
I'm like, all right, I got to get out of here.
So I'm like, okay, I'm leaving, and I booked it
out of there. Now here's the kicker. When I was
looking at that one, my pistol was on the right
hand side, and I had one to my left and

(26:19):
one behind. They they knew I had a weapon, and
they knew that they could. Essentially, I think they were
toying with me to get me out of there. They
were trying to test me to see what I would do.
And I didn't pull a gun on them. So after that,
I stopped carrying a gun on me. You know, as

(26:39):
I learned then, you know, they're not going to hurt me.
They just don't want me to go where I don't
need to go, you know, essentially, I don't need to
step onto their turf. So right going on the next
couple of weeks there, I'd run through hours and hours
and hours of footage, you know, was running through my
back trill, and I had captured some dog man looking

(27:02):
creatures because they're they're not bears. Bears ears kind of
go off to the side of their head. These creatures
have ears standing up on top of their heads. And
I'm like, well, these are what they call them, quote
unquote dog man, I guess because essentially, I mean I
really didn't know about dog man at that point in time.
And I'm like, well, they're we're wolves essentially. So I

(27:22):
show my buddies, I'm like, what are these things. They're like, well,
there's those are dog man. You birth stay clear of them.
So we am part of a research team called North
Carolina Investigates, and they came up January seventh of this
year and we were I was showing them this area
showing them all the structures and stuff that I'd found,

(27:42):
and you know, showing them where I'd captured these things
on film and showed them to steel captures. And we
were walking up the trail and we find what we
think to be a dog man track. Now this was
not a normal canine looking track had five toe and
it was It was a very very weird looking track.

(28:04):
It was about seven inches long by five inches wide.
It was a very strange looking track. Now we get
to working our way on up and we're on our
way back out, and I tapped my buddy George on
the shoulder. I said, let's go down this trail right here,
and we'll work our way around this ridge and we'll
cut across this little valley and come back up. He's like,
all right. So we had we had walkie talkies and

(28:27):
we were in Walkee contact with Robert and his wife
and me and George work are away around this little
knob and I just stopped dead in my tracks and
I'm looking out of the corner of my eye because
I got a glimpse of something moving through the laurels. Now,
these these laurels are super thick out here, like it's
it's excellent cover for these things. And you know, quite frankly,

(28:48):
they look like a shadow. Now I'm sitting here and
I'm still looking out of the corner of my eye,
and George is like, what do you see? And I'm
just I'm sitting here and and I'm like, George, there
he is. He said, Hardly, that's a shadow. I said,
George is a bigfoot. I just seen him move and
he's going in behind this tree. Now he was peeking
out and he was looking. I said, George, that's a bigfoot.

(29:11):
He said, hardly, that's a shadow. I said, George, standing
right here, And I said, I'm gonna walk towards it,
and Jeff, I didn't step but fourteen feet and I
stepped on this branch, and it sounded like a shotgun
going off. This bigfoot reaches up, braces itself on the
tree with its arm to lean out to look for
me from where I'm at. My buddy, George, he love

(29:35):
his heart, he said, oh shit. Next thing I know,
he was passed to me. The bigfoot was long gone.
And we get up there to the tree where it
was at and we find right there in the dirt
there was three perfect toes and you can see the
pinky toe intention and the big toe intention. And I

(29:56):
was like, holy cow. And we named this bigfoot out foul.
But because on this day, quite particularly, it was cold, wet, rainy,
sleet and snow, and his hair was sticking up on
his head like our falfa from little rascals. It was unbelievable,
man like we named it our falfa. And you know,
my buddy George, he had never seen a bigfoot, like

(30:17):
he was in the navy and all this stuff. He's
in his fifties sixties and he was in the Navy
and he's seeing UFOs and all that stuff that he
had never seen a bigfoot. The January seventh of this year,
I made his first bigfoot encounter happen. And let me
tell you, hearing him tell that encounter, it never gets old.
Like he said, he stand it on that branch, and
it sounded like a shotgun going off, and this bigfoot
leans out and looks towards him like it like I

(30:39):
can't believe it. And so we go, we go looking,
we go trying to find him because we knew we
were right on his right, on his tail. So there
was a funnel through the bushes like something had been
used in this. I was like, he's went through there,
so why don't we just go through there? And Robert
radios over to us. He said, what the run of
being stirred up? He said, there's something coming through the

(31:01):
woods like a bulldozer. And I'm just like, well, it's
a bigfoot. We've we've jumped it up. He's like, well
it stopped now because I guess because Robert was in
the trail and his wife was on down ahead of it.
Robert was dressed head to toe and camouflage, and what
we think was it's seen him and it just snuck
its way back around behind us. But I'm telling you,

(31:21):
when you get into them Laurel bushes, it's the place
you don't want to be because that stuff is so
thick and you could walk right by a bear, much
less a bigfoot or anything else and not even know
it right. It's unbelievable, man.

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to the show. Wow, that is an insane encounter. Holy smokes,

(33:43):
it was.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Man like he to make kids first encounter happen like
it was a very special moment to share you like mitsless.
I didn't think I was going to make somebody's first
encounter happen with one of these things, and sure enough
I did.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, yeah, Now I wanted to go back to the
dogman thing. Now, have these things been kind of sighted
in tandem with Bigfoot or is this something completely separate?
You know, in different areas that you run across these
these things.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
The dog man tend to be in the same area
as the Bigfoot. It's it's almost like the LBL for instance.
Well you have Bigfoot and sasquatch out there. Yeah, But
my take on it is they're not enemies. These things
have a symbiotic relationship, and these things are working together. Now,
what I mean with that was why would two apex

(34:40):
predators just go off the rails and kill each other
when they could essentially gain a mutual respect. You know,
these bigfoot set up these hunting lines for instance, and
dog man flush to prey towards the bigfoot. Bigfoot gets
first picks and then dog man gets scraps. It's I mean,
I scratch your back, you scratch your bro I scratched. Yeah,

(35:03):
you know what I'm trying to say. But it's like
it's like a symbolic relationship. You know, it's not uncommon
in nature, and who's to saying it doesn't happen with
these cryptids. I've noticed here in this in this area
that I've been in for eight months now, there's there's
bigfoot and dog man in there. I found bigfoot tracks
and dog man tracks, like there's there is something going

(35:23):
on there or I've been debating on this as well.
The bigfoot are taking these dog man puffs essentially and
raising them as dogs, much like we humans do. So
I mean it sounds far effects really, but I mean
there's no such thing as a coincidence. Why would these
two creatures be existing in the same area. I mean,

(35:45):
you hear these tales of bigfoot in dog man fighting,
but I don't really, I don't really buy into that.
I mean, if in the Land between the Lakes is
a good instance for that. I mean, Martin Groves, Martin
groves Is encounter is unbelievable, and Martin Groves is a
great friend of mine, and he he knows what's going
on in the Land between the Lakes.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, for sure. He's someone I've been
wanting to get on my show for a while, but
you know, schedules are are crazy these days. But so
I'm wondering, So you've gotten into this whole investigation, like
boots on the ground type of thing, you know, is

(36:24):
what does the typical day in bigfoot research look like
to you? You know, what kind of preparations do you
do before heading out into the field, and how do
you decide where to go because you have multiple different
locations that you've been investigating.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, you know, most of the time I just
didn't look at a map, you know, I look for
water essentially. You know, water is a key thing, you know,
because if you found water, there's going to be shelter
somewhere obviously, and there's obviously going to be clute, you know,
whether it's deer barriers, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
And I'll do a lot of time over the maps,
and I've got a bunch of maps somewhere I don't
even know where I've put them. I have a map
and I put dots on where I've found structures and
where I've seen them and where I've captured them on
the film, because I've been in this place for eight
months now, and i know this place like the back
of my hand, Like I when I run back through

(37:21):
my footage and I look and I'm like, well, that's
not supposed to be there, you know, And there be
a dog man peeping out from around a tree or
whatever the case may be. Now the biggest thing for me, though,
is in the national parks. That's where they're going to
be the national parks. Now, not not all instances, they're

(37:43):
going to be on national parks. I mean, you have
these wildlife management areas and I've I've stumbled across dog
men on these w and maylands and we'll dive into
that in just a second.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Now, the biggest, the biggest thing that I do a
lot is that go out there with an open mind.
You know. I cleaned my head out and I just
go out there and I enjoy the wilderness.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
It's my time away from the wife and kids, and
I do what I do. You know, I just go
out there and hike around, and I sit down for
a little bit and I just listen, you know, just
in my element, you know, because I use my hunting
tactics to this as well. You know, I don't go
out there and cameo, honestly, you know. I go there
SHORTLYE shirt, my pants and my snake proof boots, honestly,

(38:28):
and I just just take my time and I over
I look everything over good, you know, and I discern
if it's natural or not. Now, some of these twist breaks,
the twist breaks are the biggest thing for me when
it comes to the sasquatch, you know, because it takes
something with hands to twist a tree and break it. Now,
if there's a perfect example, and we'll dive into this shortly,

(38:51):
I found two twists breaks. Now, this was when I
had my first dog, man encounter. I thought I was
going to see a leaf foot, but I ended up
seeing a dog man. So I found these twist breaks.
One was twisted and broke probably about eight and a
half nine foot off the ground, facing up the mountain.
The other one was probably about twelve thirteen foot off
the ground, twisted and broke facing down the mountain. Now
I looked around and I'm like, this can't be wind

(39:14):
because there was no other trees that were broken like those,
And I was like, no, that's signed right there, Like
something twisted those trees and broke them. And I actually
found what I think to be a nest in that area.
There were some branches that were blowed over, and there
was pine needles brought into that area, and you could

(39:36):
see where something had been laying in there. Now, to
my knowledge of bear does not just do that. You know,
something with intent made that. So this area where I
had my first dog man encounter was close to a campground.
It's not far from where I have been originally researched.

(39:57):
But this happened January twenty ninth this year. I was
I had it in my mind that I was going
to go to this first area that i've been in
for a little over a month at that time, and
I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go somewhere else.
So I pulled up the maps and I'm like, okay,
I'm gonna hit this trail here. Well, I'm dripping up
into this place and there's a campground, and I ended

(40:19):
up finding another road that led off to a trail
and I'm like, okay, I check his place out too.
So I stopped at this first trail and I'm walking around.
I'm looking and I'm like, okay, this place looks interesting
because there was a creek that ran by there as well.
And I remember distinctly finding these trees that were broken
and they were made into an asterisk. And I'm like

(40:41):
that's not natural because these trees were laid on the
ground and they made an asterisk. And I'm like, okay,
this is signs because these trees were probably three four
inches around and they were broken at ground level and
they were made into this asterisk. And I'm like, okay,
this is something. So I'm walking around this area and
I find these rock stacks. Now, these rocks were lower

(41:06):
three four foot across, and they were in stacks of
threes and I'm like, well, that's not nobody did that.
And there was one stack, and then about twenty feet
away there was another stack at these rocks, and I'm like,
that's not a person. Like I found these old settlement
walls and stuff, and it was nothing like that. These
rocks were huge, and I'm like, Okay, this is some signs.

(41:28):
But I'm like, I'm not really feeling it in this place.
So I head further up to where this campground is
and there's a mountain trail that leads to a waterfall.
So I'm going into this place and it's just a
really spooky vibe. I mean, it was in the thirties
that day and it was cold, and I packed like
I just had my hoodie y own and some jeans

(41:49):
and my muck boots. I didn't even pack at the boggin.
So I'm walking along and I crossed this first creek
and there's oh, they're just old wooden bridges, like they're
not really trustworthy. So I cross this first bridge, I'm
going around. I'm zig zagging, and I crossed another bridge
and I'm zig zagging around and I come to another bridge,

(42:13):
which I mean, they really shouldn't have been a bridge
there because there wasn't much water, but whatever, So across
that one and I'm zig zagging around again making my
way around the mountain. And I come back down and
I crossed this little half made covert and they had
the land had washed away, so it's just the covert essentially.

(42:35):
And I go up and I come to split in
a trail and there was a sign and the trail
to the right. Which wherever it went I don't know,
but the park services didn't maintain it very well because
it was overgrown. I was like, well, I guess I'm
going up the mountain. So I took the mountain trail
towards the waterfalling. I'm walking along and I find this

(42:56):
game trailer runs across the road, and I'm like, okay,
I'm just gonna walk over here and look, because it
was like a little flat area to the right, and
I was over in there walking around, and that's when
I found these twist brakes and some structures too. Because
these trips, these trees were intertwined and connected and all
kinds of stuff. I was like, you know what, I'm
gonna run into the big Foot, I told myself. I
was like, I'm gonna run into a bigfoot. I was like,

(43:17):
this is bigfoot sign. I'm gonna run into one. It's
gonna happen. So I'm sitting here looking around. I'm like, okay,
I gotta get back on the trail. So I get
back on the trail and I'm working our way around
and I come up to a curve, but I didn't
make it to the curve yet, and I was looking.
The curve goes up and it comes back around. I'm like, okay,
So I'm getting closer to the curve and I'm checking

(43:38):
my phone. I had thirty percent battery, and I sent
my wife my location the satellite because I didn't have
no service up there, so I sent it over satellite
and I get around the curve and I checked the
phone again and it said ten percent battery and it
shut off. And I was like, well, this is deja
vu all over again. From twenty twenty. I'm like, okay,

(44:00):
I got a decision to make. I can go on
up a little bit, or I can leave right now.
And by this time, it was starting to snow and
get cold, and I'm like, you know what, I'm just
going home. So I turned around and I go around
a curve and it wasn't even fifteen twenty yards. After
coming around a curve, I heard something behind me to
my right moving and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna stop
and I'm gonna turn on and whatever it's gonna is

(44:23):
is gonna be there. I'm like, it's a big fit
and boy was iron. I stopped and I turned and
I locked guys on it. These bright yellow wise this
large brown wolf essentially, and I'm like, okay, this is
something that I did not want to run into. And
I'm sitting here looking at this thing. This thing's eyes

(44:45):
were yellow, liver blowing. It was jet brown, like this
was something that was not friendly. Now, this thing pushes
itself up with its forearms and it takes three steps
and it's beside a tree and it props one of

(45:05):
its hands up on the tree. Now, this thing's hands, man,
were very ominous looking. They were almost like raccoon hands,
Like if you've ever seen a raccoon's hands, this thing's
hands looked like raccoon hands. Now, this thing, the top
of its head in between its ears was flat, and

(45:26):
it had huge ears like a German shepherd. It had
maine running down its neck. The end of its nose
was snudged up into the snout, had these huge yellow eyes,
had huge veins. The top half of this thing was
broad and the lower half was sin It had a thick,
wooly tail like a fox's. And the weirdest thing because

(45:49):
what I heard, you know what, listen what little I
listened to about the doll man. They had backwards facing legs.
This thing had forward facing legs like a human. And
this thing was weird man like. It had its arm
propped up on the tree, like it was like playing
with me, Like it was reaching out with its other hand,
growling and startling at man. I like, when I looked

(46:10):
into this thing's eyes, it was nothing. It was an
empty void. There was nothing behind those eyes. And that's
what I tell everybody. You know, when you look at
though the eyes of the bigfoot, there's there's something there.
When you look in the eye of one of these
dog men, that's that's nothing. There's nothing in there. That
thing wants to kill you. I remember distinctly my life

(46:32):
was flashing before my eyes. You know, my kids growing
up without me, my wife being a widow without me.
You know, everything negative was happening, and I'm like, I
gotta get out of here. So I started backpedaling, like
I'm taking backsteps that I'm locked eyes with this thing.
And next I just booked it. Now this was just

(46:53):
purely instant. I just I just bolted, and I remember
distinctly I could hear it crashing behind me, but it
was all it was staying off in the woods, not
in the trail. So I don't know how in the
world I did not follow these mug boots as slicking
wet as it was with it snowing, But I remember
I was booking it out of there, and I get
down to the covert, and I remember seeing it jumping

(47:15):
across the creek bed, across the creek and going up,
and I was going up and I had a way
all the way around, and I get to the other
creek and I ended up trying crying across it and
trying to keep keep looking on it and try to
across this and I remember thinking the scene of brush
moving because it was coming through the brush, and I

(47:36):
just kept going and I was like, I can't look
back at this thing. I just got to get out
of here. And when I got to that second bridge.
I believe that's when it stopped following me. I'm not
one hundred percent sure, but I know that I got
out of there, and I ultimately when I got out
of there about stopped doing my research. It was it
was it took everything in me, you know, to keep

(47:58):
doing this. And you know, I had a lot of
people tell me, don't stop. You know you're getting good stuff,
don't stop, and you know, I'm still here to this day,
and I'm very fortunate and blessed. So that happened January
twenty ninth, and I had a guy reach out to
me from Virginia. He's a part of the North American

(48:19):
dog Man Project, and he wanted to check out the
location where I had seen this thing, and he had
heard about my bigfoot encounters. So that by the time
that far and this is February second, they came down
and we went to that location where I seen this
dog man, and we got the size estimate of this
thing and everything. So this thing was eight foot tall,

(48:40):
not including the ears. It was forty four inches at
the shoulders. The stride from where it was laying to
the tree was twenty eight feet and it took that
in three steps. Now, if that doesn't put anything into
perspective on how fast these things are, yet nothing will.
But here's the kicker. Right there, in that spot where

(49:04):
this thing was laying. I remember it distinctly, Rick pulled
out his compass and the compass was going haywire. Now.
I don't know if there was a portal there or what,
but something happened right, you know too, I fully believe
that these creatures and these beings know where these portals are,

(49:27):
you know, because they're on a different spectrum than we are.
You know, the veil, you can call it, the so
to speak. You know, they can see these doorways essentially,
and they know where they are and we don't, you know.
And in some instances of the fit missing. For one one,
I think people walking to one of these portals and
don't even know it and they're gone forever, or ultimately

(49:47):
it's a dog man or feral people, maybe a rogue bigfoot.
I mean, honestly, it could be a many things. Now,
the second dog man experience. I didn't see this one,
but it was terrifying. This happened April twenty eighth of
this year. Me and my step daughters, as dad, we

(50:10):
went out turkey hunting. This happened. This happened April twenty eighth,
twenty minutes from downtown Knoxville, a highly populated area here
in East Tennessee. This place is called Forks of the River. Now,
we get out there about four thirty, waiting for the
sun come up. The suns started to come up a
little bit more around five thirty, so we get out
of the vehicle and we're working our way down the trail.

(50:32):
Now I wasn't researching this day. I had full intentions
to turkey hunt because this was the first spring that
I had turkey hunted since twenty twenty, so I might,
you know, I gotta do this. And I went out
and we were walking along with and we hit the
alcohol and we heard some turkey's gobble off in the distance.
I was like, well, we got we got a macro

(50:52):
our way back there. I was like, they're going to
be in these big fields, because we had a mite
pooled up from where they're going to be at. And
I was like, they're going to be in these big fields,
you know, strutting whatever they're going to do. So we
we're working our way back and going to the swamp
and we find these open fields and there was no turkeys,
and I told him. I was like, you know what,
this ain't worth it. So we go back and we're

(51:15):
looking and there I remember distinctly seeing this shed that
they kept the tractors and stuff in the mod of
the fields and stuff for dove hunting or whatever the
case may be. So we went in the woods directly
behind that shed and he hunter was in front of
me and I was behind him, and we didn't even
get ten fifteen yards into the woods and there was
something following us. And I was like, I can't say

(51:37):
nothing to him, He'll start freaking out. I was like,
it's just probably a bigfoot. I was like, I ain't
going to say nothing until he hears it. And it's
keeping pace with us behind us, and I'm just trying.
I'm like, Okay, this is not happening right now. I
was like, he's got to hear this. So we're working
away along and we're in this dried up creek bed
and we're going along and there's this tree that had

(51:59):
fun at the time, and we had never been to
this place before, so we didn't know anything. And there
was a tree that had fell on over and we
were trying to pull ourselves up out of this creek bed.
And we pulled ourselves up out of the creek bed,
and we got maybe twenty feet away from this tree.
And he stops and he said, there's something following us.
I said, yeah, it's been following us for about twenty

(52:21):
minutes now. And this was nine thirty eight am. And
I took three pictures. I turned around, I took a
picture to the left. I took a picture straight behind us,
and I took a picture to the right. And I
put my phone down and I looked all the directions
and I'm like, okay, I said, let's go. He said,
what was it? I said, it's probably bigfoot? He said really,

(52:41):
I said, yep. I said it's my peele footsteps, wasn't it.
He said yep. I said yep. I said that's probably bigfoot.
So we were walking around and we got back out.
He brought me back home and dropped me off. And
I looked through the first picture and didn't see nothing.
But when I got to the second one, boy, did
I see something smack dab in the middle of that picture.

(53:03):
In the creek bed that we just came out of,
is this huge pit bull looking face and I sent
that to him. He said, dude, what the hell is it?
I said, that's a dog man. I said, you're lucky
you didn't see that. I said, if you'd have seen that,
you to never be hunting again in your life. And
it was unbelievable. Man. He's like, he said, do we really?

(53:24):
He said, did you really get a picture of that?
And I said yeah, I said, I said, look, this
is the timestamp like this was when we were out there.
He said, holy cow. So he and I tell you
a funny thing. Just recently, like the end of July.
He was fishing, and this is not too far from
my research area. He caught a glimpse of something in

(53:48):
the corner of his eye and he's seen a person
and the person went behind a tree and he was like, well,
this is weird. So he walked further down the creek
away from this said person, and he was standing there
fishing again and he had to feel and there was
something behind him and he turned around and lo and behold,

(54:10):
it was a feral person behind him. And he was
standing there locked eyes with this feral person, and this
feral person had its arm behind its back. And he said,
next thing he knew nothing, threw down a rock and
it took off. It was unbelievable. I was like, man,
I was like, you're lucky. That thing was either going

(54:32):
to kill you or it was just hoping you would
have some fish. So, I mean, it was weird. Like
he said, he had fear in his eyes, and he
told me like he is. After that encounter happened, he
came straight to me, He's like, dude, I just see
a fairer person. I'm like, I believe I can tell
it in your eyes. So, I mean, there's all kinds
of stuff happening here and appoliia you know, bigfoot doll

(54:53):
feral people, anything and everything. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, it really sounds like it definitely a lot of
a lot of stuff you don't want to run into.
And you know, that is one harrowing experience of you,
you know, running on pure adrenal and trying to get
away from this dog man that's just coming after you
and who knows.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Which I think I think ultimately probably what i'd done
was there was probably a pup in the area or something.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Oh interesting.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I do remember that I looked up on the map
and there was two cemeteries in that area. Now, I
did not see no headstones or nothing, because these cemeteries
are very, very old. But there is a connection between
dog Man and the cemetery is which are quite franklin.
There's a connection between all of it. All of it
intertwines and connects. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yeah, I'm kind of of a similar opinion that there
is some interconnectedness between a lot of this eye stranger
just phenomenon and uh, you know, certainly based on your experiences,
you know, it seems like there's there's a paranormal element
to to these creatures. They're not just flesh and blood.

(56:13):
And whether it's whether or not they're from Earth on
this plane, they're from Earth on you know some Yeah,
it seems to be kind of the uh, you know,
the talk of the day, especially with even like the
UFO subject or the u I P subject, that it's
you know, something that is not of this realm. There's

(56:35):
there's other dimensions out there. So yeah, totally wild stuff,
totally wild, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
You know, and I'm very I remember distinctly, like going
back through my steel captures on my back trail camera,
I have that dog Man on film and it's leaning
out from around the tree and it's I knew instantly
that was the one I've seen. I mean it's jet
brown and it's leaning out from around the tree looking

(57:01):
at me. I'm like that that's the same one I seen.
So you know, I know for certain I've seen that one,
and you know out the one we named Alfalfa. I've
captured him on film too, And there's just a lot,
there's more than just Bigfoot and dog Man going on.
Just recently, right before the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference July

(57:22):
twenty seventh, I was out July twenty fourth and I
got something on film that day that I quite frankly
don't know what it is. I'm walking through this area
and it's just like half a second, I turned my
shoulder for half a second and I get it and

(57:44):
this gray alien lizard looking thing. I don't know what
it was, but it's just sitting there and it's peeking
out like you can see its shoulder and you can
see its head. It wild stuff, man, Like there's I
don't know what it is. Like I was like, this
is something that I don't know what it is. And
just recently I have found three toad tracks like they're

(58:10):
they're there are three toed tracks the size of my hand,
and I'm just sitting here, like, is there dinosaurs running around? Now?
I mean there's three toe there's three toed tracks, and
I'm like, to my knowledge, there is no ostriches or
EMUs running around in a Great Smoking Mountains National Park, Like,
I mean, it's just a huge three toe tracks that

(58:31):
I've been finding. I'm just like, you know, nothing's surprising
me anymore, right.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Yeah, I mean it certainly sounds like some kind of
avian or you know, potentially dinosaur, maybe a time slip
with terror birds or dinosaurs involved.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Who knows it's on tailing man, anything, Anything is possible nowadays.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Now I'm wondering, like your
opinion on you know, beyond your own sightings and experiences
with these things, what would you say is the the
best evidence that that's out there now of these cryptids?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Ultimately, for Bigfoot, it would have to be the Patterson
Gamelin film and Ron moorehead cr sounds ultimately that right there.
I mean even the Freeman footage, I mean that that's
a good video too, and quite frankly, it's unbelievable stuff, man,

(59:35):
like they have tried to prove that the Patterson film
is a hoax for years, yet they can't because there
is muscle tone, there is muscle movement. I mean it's
and the Planet of the Apes suits and stuff from
back in that time nowhere near what is in that video.

(59:57):
And it's unbelievable. Man Like people think that that is faked, like,
I mean, what more people need like that is a
living sash Quatch. How they drew I've heard a lot
of theories on how they drew that big foot in.
I don't know. There's a lot of debail on how
they got that video. I heard it was pretty harsh.
I don't know. There's a lot of there's a lot

(01:00:18):
of theories on that, you know they I heard a
theory that they captured juveniles and they killed them and
that's what draw it in. I don't know, honestly, or
they may have just looked up and stumbled across it.
I mean anything. I mean, if you put yourself in
the position, you're going to have an encounter and experience
like that. I mean, I put myself in a position.

(01:00:39):
I mean, I'm hiking miles and miles out in Great
Smoky Mountains National Park. I mean, it's unbelievable, man. And
you know the Sierra sounds. I mean that it's unbelievable.
You can tell that that that is something that is
human but not human in a way. It's uh. I

(01:01:01):
have heard the samurai chatter myself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I never thought I was gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yeah, you know, it sounds like when you're hiking along,
it sounds like there's more hikers ahead of you or
behind you. It's just just like mumbling. Essentially, it just
sounds like people from far off, and then you're just
saying there, like where are these people act? I mean,
I mean I've heard that, for instance about the feral
people too, like they'll they'll have the talking and stuff.

(01:01:28):
But the Bigfoot are very distinct. It's almost like a
Native American language, fast paced, intertwined with like Japanese or
something else like that. It's a very very strange language.
I know that I have. I've been trying to talk
to them in Cherokee tongue as well as Hebrew because

(01:01:51):
I've noticed that in some instances it almost sounds like
Hebrew in a way, Like I said, a native a
Native American and Hebrew tongue almost connected in an intertwine.
I know they understand English. I mean because people have
the mind speak happen to them. I had the mind
speak happening once, and that was the strangest thing that
had ever happened to you. It happened on New Year's

(01:02:13):
Eve of twenty twenty three. So I go out to
this area that I had been in whenever I started,
and I didn't even get fifty yards away from the
vehicle and I had the voice go through my head
and it said Jerome. And I'm just like, I'm looking
around and I'm like, I'm the only person out here.
I was like, well, what in the world is Jerome?

(01:02:36):
And I went off in the woods and I'm sitting
there looking and I'm like, holy cow, this is an
X because I found a huge X and I initially
started looking at it more and it actually makes the
A because there's the X and then it has a
branch that goes across and it makes the A. And
I'm like, well, what the world does this mean. I

(01:02:56):
was like, clearly it's something, because I could see in
the moss where they had been stepped around in that area,
and I'm like, okay, something something something's weird. So I
got home and I looked up what jerome means. It's
ancient Greek for elder or guardian. Yeah, it was very,

(01:03:16):
very weird. It's like a voice in your head that's
not your conscience, Like it just shoots right through you.
And it's very very weird theory, you know. And I'm
because I tend to lean more towards Bigfoot or an
interdimensional being. But there is a side of them that
you don't want. I will say that you go looking

(01:03:39):
for them. It is an open invitation for them to
come into your home and around it. February of this year,
I had perormal stuff start happening in the home my
daughter's well, I mean right now. They used to would
sleep all night, and I mean it's even the out

(01:04:00):
like they just have these nightmares and they can't sleep,
and it's just a very very strange stuff. I've heard
voices in the house, just cold chills happening in the
house and stuff falling. Even uh, my stepdaughter's dad was
here with me one night while our wives were out
and we heard something fall and we were like, what

(01:04:23):
what was that? And we go when the girls' room
and we're checking and they're both sound and sleep in
the bed and we're like, well, what was that? And
on my whole we never did find anything, but there
was something that had failed and it was just a
very very weird instance. And I'll tell you a funny
thing too. So the woods is right behind the house,

(01:04:45):
and uh, right right behind the house. They come up
from the woods and I started keeping on my porch
light on after this started. They would come up and
they would take the spare tire off of the trash
can because I kept the trash the tire on it
to keep the raccoons out, and they would move the
spare tire, put it on the back porch where the

(01:05:08):
door would open and hit it. And it was it
was wild stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
And uh.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
And the weirdest thing was after I would cook, I
would close my grill and I'd come back out and
the grill would be open, and I'm just like, man, yeah,
I gotta stop it. So I just I just started
leaving the porch slid on and they stopped messing with
the spare tire and the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Grill. So I'm telling I always tell people, you know,
there there is more to these beings than just flesh.
And blood. You go looking for them, they will come
into your home. I mean you go into their home essentially,
and you have to comp it's unattended consequences. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Yeah, that's definitely sounds a lot like the Hitchhaker effect,
which yes, absolutely, I became very familiar with. I recently
got to chat with some of the folks from Skinwalker
Ranch and they were chatting all about the Hitchhiker effect,
how things follow them home from the ranch, paranormal pultrygeist

(01:06:17):
activity happens at home, other strange stuff like electronics being
affected in two different places around the country at the
same time, like quantum entanglement type of stuff. Yeah. So
that's pretty unnerving for sure, I hope, yeah, because that is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
A power that we do not fully understand.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Yeah, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Exactly? It isn't what do you do? I mean, you know,
what do you do if a demonic presents nity, you know,
attaches itself to you? I mean, I mean you could
go to the church or something and get it out
of you. But I mean it's it's it's a man like.
I think about it all the time, you know, I'm like,
what if that happens to me like it. I mean,
I try not to think about it, you know. I

(01:07:07):
like to think that I'm strong in my faith and
all this stuff. But it's it's wild man. And I
mean I've had I've got hair samples and they're being
tested in North Carolina right now and I'm waiting to
hear back from those results. But I will add on

(01:07:28):
to this that from Scott Carpenter's research, he collected samples
from here in the Great Smoky Mountains, and especially from
this area that I have been in for over eight
months now the seventh coming up will be nine months,
and from this area he collected bigfoot hairs. And I
mean there's a lot of debate behind to catch the

(01:07:50):
DNA study and all this stuff, but me, quite frankly,
that's honest to God truth. And people just don't want
to accept that bigfoot is what it is and they
are a human hybrid because the mitochondrial DNA of a
bigfoot is a human mother from the Middle East, and
the nuclear DNA is something completely unknown to science. And

(01:08:11):
that is what I believe to be the fallen angels.
And I recently learned a new term, so the nephil
I don't know if you're familiar with the Nephilom, sure,
the Nephilum, they had children, so those. There was a
woman that was talking with a friend of mine and

(01:08:36):
they she had a relationship with a bigfoot. It would
come and visit her in its physical form and as
an orb and it would communicate with her telepathically, and
it told her that it was a lau, which are
the children of the Nephilim, the Lau. I have never

(01:08:57):
heard that term before. It told her it was a
la you. It told her that the Bible was wrong
about certain things, and all kinds of stuff, all kinds
of crazy stuff. The alien. It's it's something I had
never heard of before. It's a wild, wild term.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yeah. Wow, I was not expecting that, man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
It just goes to show that there's just despite all
the research and investigation, there's still so much that we
don't know about this phenomenon, about these creatures.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Yeah, it's more it brings more questions and answers and
the deeper down the rabbit hole you go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely. Did you recently see Ronnie Lebock's
statement about some new footage that was filmed recently, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
I've heard and I'm trying to pry it out of
running and he will not. I've been trying to pry
it out of him and he won't budge.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Yeah. He just recently joined my Facebook group and we
just hit five out of the members in there, and
I've been trying to pry it out of him. He
won't budge. It must be a pretty big deal. It's
got to be. I mean, I don't know who got
the footage, but we can only imagine who got the footage.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. It'll be very interesting to
see what comes of that, for sure, because I know
that was kind of making the rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Everywhere Insta everywhere, It was everywhere. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Yeah, maybe it'll be the smoking gun that I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
It might. It might be the ring off the new Year.
I mean, I mean we may never know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure for sure. All Right, Well, Harley,
this has been super fun, one very enlightening, very interesting
conversation with lots of twists and turns. You have. I mean,
you're going you're going out there, You're doing the work
and experiencing these these creatures in this phenomena firsthand, and

(01:11:18):
I can't wait to see, you know, what comes next?
And before we go today, can you tell my listeners
where they can find you online?

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, most of the platforms. I'm on YouTube,
Bigfoot Reports and Data. It's the and Symbol. That's my
Facebook group name as well. I'm on Instagram as well,
Bigfoot Reports and the Data it's just A and d H.
I'm on TikTok as well, Bigfoot Reports and Symbol Data.

(01:11:48):
And I encourage everybody, you know, I work forty fifty
hours a week, name forty if I'm lucky, and I
make time out of the day to go out and look, now,
when coming up, it's probably gonna be a little bit
more difficult to be out there as much, maybe on
the weekends if I'm lucky, if I don't have to
go chase storm or whatever. But you know, I just

(01:12:08):
want to encourage anyone, you know, be safe when you're
out there. When you go, stay in your lane. So essentially,
when you're out there, stay on the sidewalk and they
have a leash at their own and if you stay
on the sidewalk, you won't be bothered. I mean, that'll

(01:12:29):
let you know if you get too close, but you know,
listen to your gut, because if you don't listen to
your guts, you'll get killed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Solid advice for sure. Definitely, if you're wanting to go
investigate these things for yourself, don't take it lately and
be prepared and definitely be safe. Absolutely yeah, all right, Harley, Well,
thank you so much again for hanging out today.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
We'll talk to you so absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
All right. Thanks again so much to Harley for coming
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