Bigfoot Field Research, The Patterson-Gimlin Film & Bluff Creek w/ Tate Hieronymous

On this edition of the show, I brought on Tate Hieronymus who has been involved in the Bluff Creek Project and more recently, Sasquatch: A Search for Sabe. We chatted all about his field work into researching and looking for the ever elusive Bigfoot. We discussed some of the best evidence out there, such as the Patterson-Gimlin Film and more.

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(09:21):
I brought on a brand new guest, Tate Hieronymous, who
is a Bigfoot sasquatch researcher. He gets out in the field.
He's been a part of the Bluff Creek Project and
his current project is sasquatch A Search for Save. So
this was a super fun conversation. So sit back, relax

(09:44):
and enjoy the show. All right, folks, welcome back. Joining
me today on the show is Tate Hieronymous. Tate is
a bigfoot researcher, independent filmmak, podcaster, fellow musician. Tate has
been involved with things like the Bluff Creek Project and

(10:07):
his more recent series Sasquatch A Search for Save. So
we're going to be getting into the nitty gritty about
bigfoot today. So anyway, thanks Tate for being here, so
glad to finally have you on and we got our
schedules to work out. How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh, I can't complain, you know, it's just another day
on the planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So just that's very true. That's very true. So I
wanted to go over some basics here, Yo, what got
you interested in Bigfoot in the first place. Was there
like a certain moment in your life where you were like,
there's something else out there, this humanoid thing that science

(10:54):
doesn't acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Was.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
What it was kind of a Monster Quest, you know.
I kind of just was watching a bunch of stuff
on TV, like an Animal Planet and all that I
discovered Monster Quest. I thought that was a really cool show,
and you know, it showed the Paising game on film
and that's what really got me intrigued. So and I
can't remember when that was, but that was forever ago,

(11:20):
like I want to say, maybe two thousand and two
thousand and one around that time, and it just kind
of took.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Off from yeah right on. Yeah, that was probably around
the time that show was in its heyday for sure,
And I think I'm sure a lot of people got
into cryptids and Bigfoot around that same time and that
in that era, I'm I'm more of the Sightings era,

(11:53):
like late eighties, early nineties for getting into all this stuff.
And then you know there's even people who are like,
you know, in search of back in like the seventies
with Leonard Nimoy and all that. So yeah, it's just
like a long running a long running thing here. Uh,
now you are involved with the Bluff Creek Project. Can

(12:17):
you talk about what that is and what what what's
it all about?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So the Bluff Creek Project was started by Steven Strueford
Ian Carton and those are the two guys that kind
of started and they wanted to figure out where the
film site was, the Patterson Game one film site because
after so many years regrowth and everything that you don't
see as open as it was in the film because

(12:44):
a flood actually wiped that all out and so because
of read growth, you know, it kind of covered up
and it just became a lost sight. And so there
was some people kind of figuring out trying to figure
out where it was. But Creek Project ended up finding
the film site and confirming it in twenty eleven, and

(13:05):
that was kind of the reason behind it, and then
they ended up starting to put trail cameras down there
shortly after that to hopefully maybe try and see if
they can get another photo of Bigfoot. So they ended
up doing that, starting a trail camera project, and then
that's kind of been what they've been doing for the

(13:26):
past I don't know how many years it's been. I
can't even think right now, but it's been a while.
And because of it, they ended up capturing photos of
the Humbolt Martin, which was thought to be extinct up
in that area, and so they kind of proved it
was still thriving up in that part of the country.

(13:47):
So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. And Bluff Creek is in northern California, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Situated kind of between Reading and Eureka, So you got
the writing on five Highway going like toward near Shasta
and then you got Eureka on the coast.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
So yeah, yeah, and it's a it's a pretty remote area,
so you know, back in the nineteen nineteen sixties when
when they went out there, Yeah, and you know, it's like,
who knows what could be.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
It could be more remote than it is today. I
mean it's pretty remote now, but in the sixties, that
would be pretty remote.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean back back then, the fifties and sixties,
like the interstate highways that we were just being constructed
across the Continental lower forty eight, you know exactly. Yeah, yeah,
everything was a lot more remote back then. Now, have

(14:58):
you gone out to Bluff Creek yourself?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah? I go. So when I was living in California,
I started going to Bluff Creek, I want to say,
in like twenty sixteen, and I've been going there ever since.
So I lived in California and then I went. While
I was living there, I went twice a year from
twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen, and then once a year

(15:25):
ever since that. So I've been there quite a few times.
One of my favorite places to go, and I'm actually
going back there this year.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh that's awesome. That's awesome. Can you share any memorable
experience that you've had while being out there? I assume
you do kind of a few day stint camping and
all that kind of, yeah stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Some memorable things have happened out there, you know, not
all of them are Bigfoot related. Some of them are
just hanging out with my friends or family that I've
taken there, and that's a special moment for me, sure,
but one that's not really Bigfoot related. I got to
go to the Parison Gamwin film site with Bob Gimwin

(16:13):
himself and that and that was pretty special. And uh
so my name, my last name, Hornymous is very infamous
in the Bigfoot world because you can think of Bob Horonymous,
who claim to wear this suit right right, no relation,
and so it's kind of funny because it was the

(16:34):
first time Hononymous and Gimwin have been on the film
site together history. So, yeah, two names.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's awesome, that's funny. Yeah, kind of like no, maybe
not arch enemies, but yeah, how did Yeah, that's funny man.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So yeah, how did you? How did you get connected?
Uh with Bob?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
So I was just in Bluff Creek doing the thing,
just kind of hanging out, and then I went back
home and I found out, oh, Bob Gilman was going
up to the film site, and I'm like, what, I
gotta get back up there. And so because some of
the guys that live over there, like Rowdy, Kelly and Jamie,

(17:25):
they kind of they'll all go to the film site
and then I'll give people tours who might ask for
a tour if they contact the Bluff Creek Project, and
so they Rowdy Kelly, a member of the Bluff Creek Project.
He went up there and met with Bob Gilman and
all the people that were going with him, and they
took him down to the film site. And then I
found out because I'm in this chat with all those guys,

(17:47):
that Bob's gonna be there, and like, I gotta go.
So I drove back up and went for it. It
was a good time.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Nice, Yeah, I mean, how how could you not you know, how,
the opportunity to meet one of the two guys who
was there.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, you don't pass that up?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now you so you have like a
film about the Bluff Creek Project, you know, just as
a sidebar here, you know, you you had mentioned that
the narration was by and this is speaking of you know,

(18:30):
connections with semi quasi something famous, well known known people
that it was narrated by holiday Ryn Horn, who if
those who don't know that's Rain Wilson's wife. How did
that connection happen?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
That was so Rain Wilson. For those who are living
under a rock, he plays Dwight shirt on the Office,
which is a really popular TV show, but Rain posted
on his Instagram He's like, hey, follow my wife holiday
Ryan Horn, and so I did. And so I have
a private Instagram account, so people have the request to

(19:05):
follow me, and so I followed her like whatever, and
I didn't think anything would happen. And I got a
request from her to follow me. I'm like okay, So
I accepted it, and then I thought of like an idea,
like hey, maybe I can get hurt and narrate it.
So I I messaged her on Instagram and she said

(19:27):
she was interested, and you know, I went and filmed everything,
wrote the narration, and then the day I was going
to their house to record it, I took my mother
with me and she's like, hey, you may want to
ask them about money, because did you have your app
talk to them about how much they want. I'm like no,

(19:48):
I never came up, and so I messaged her. I
was like, hey, how much money do you think you'd
want or whatever, because I was waiting for like, you know,
crazy amount of like oh, I can't do that. But
the email that I got was she could take no

(20:09):
money because it's her contribution to the Mystery of the Universe. Oh,
so we went to her house, went to their house,
and we recorded the narration and that's how that came out.
It came out really well.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
That's awesome, very cool, very cool, and very kind too,
very very kind volunteer. Essentially, they're very kind people.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
They've been very nice to me over the years.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's awesome. That's awesome. Now going back to Bluff Creek
and the Patterson Gimlin film, I'm sure many listeners out
there know what it's all about, and probably plenty of
people in the world who aren't in the big Foot circle,

(21:00):
But can can you kind of explain, like the one
oh one of the Patterson Gimlin film, what exactly transpired
in that moment leading up to that moment and you
know what they found at the site.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Bob and Roger they came down from Yakima, Washington in October.
They were kind of there for a couple of weeks
and Bluff Creek kind of riding around because Roger was
making a Bigfoot documentary and they've been riding around the
creek and just one day on October twentieth, nineteen sixty seven,

(21:41):
they were going down this part of Bluff Creek on horseback,
and they stumbled upon this creature drinking out of the creek,
and she got startled, and then their horses got startled.
Roger got thrown from his horse. Then he went and
grabbed the camera out of the saddle back and started filming.

(22:02):
And that's when you see Patty start walking across the
creek doing that look she does. So that's kind of
what happened. That's the Patterson gave one film in a nutshell. Yeah,
but yeah, it's a it's a it's a really remote place.
You would think, why would you go so deep and
so far to you know, perpetrate a hoax. It doesn't

(22:25):
make sense. And if people who have met Bob, like
you know, like myself and I know other people who have,
they don't ever get the impression he's lying. He doesn't
come off that way or anything like that. And I
just don't think it's a hoax either. It looks too
good to be faked.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously it's one of the most
hotly debated and contested films of pretty much anything in history.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Right, yeah, it's up you know the JFK sascination video.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, you got people claiming
that they wore the suit, you know, the one who
shares your sake, and uh yeah, you know, even even
to this day, there's I feel like it's at least
once a week on Reddit or some Facebook group where

(23:29):
people are talking about the Patterson Gimlin film and some
people present arguments that debunk it allegedly, and others are like,
I mean, just that doesn't look like a suit. They
didn't have the technology back then. Just look at the
Planet of the Apes, which came out like a year

(23:50):
or two later, and you can tell those are suits.
I mean, they're pretty good suits for the time, but
it's not nowhere near what what's in in the Patterson
Gimlin film and what Patty is. And even with like
the the four kh up upscale of it, there's certain

(24:13):
details that are more evident, like there's a jiggle in
the thigh, there's you know, you can see like musculature
and stuff. It seems so yeah, yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Didn't have technology to make costumes like that back then.
You brought up Plan of the Apes. Another one is
two thousand and one in Space Odyssey, right, and there's
you know, they've had a lot of money to make
costumes for that specific reason, and the technology just wasn't

(24:44):
there to make costumes look that good, and so there's
so many there's debates within costume makers in Hollywood about
it too, like oh I didn't make it and it's
not this is two fake, or yeah it looks really
good and I wish I could have made.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
It, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I don't know, yeah
that that it just I mean to me, it seems
like there's a very a good good chance of it
being legit, and it's certainly the best looking piece of

(25:22):
videographic evidence that there is of a Bigfoot, a sasquatch, whatever,
whatever you want to call it. But yeah, there's there's
always one thing that people talk about with Roger Patterson
leading up to or prior to the whole event that

(25:47):
was filmed, that he had done some sketches of like
a female bigfoot with breasts, and obviously Patty in the
video has breasts, uh, And people are like, oh, well
why would that be. It's like, well, maybe it was
just coincidence. A population of upright walking primates who may

(26:14):
be somewhat of a cousin related to humans. You know,
there's gonna be males and females.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, there's this really there's this really good podcast that
they do with six part breakdown of the Passing Game
one film in each episode is like almost two hours
or an hour at least. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's the
Astonishing Astonishing Legends podcast and they have this six part

(26:42):
breakdown of the whole Passing Game one film where they
talk about the camera, all the people involved, just everything,
Patty itself, the film itself. It goes into like such
a deep dive. They're like, man, there's there's so much
to unpack here, and it's such a complicate, Like it's

(27:02):
such a complicated not just the film itself, but just
everything before and after the film. There's so many moving
parts and pieces. It's like where do you start?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah? Yeah, I always love the the analysis videos from
Thinker Thunker, and I believe he's done some stuff on
Patty as well, and he'll analyze like body proportions and
stuff like that. And if I'm remember incorrectly, you know,
he was saying like the proportions of Patty aren't human.

(27:40):
You know, the arms are way too long. Is the
mid tarsal break evident in the video, I can't, yeah, which,
like that's not how humans walk, And even if you
were in a suit.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I don't think that would show who who.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Would have that knowledge back then either? No, No, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I mean, I mean, if you're gonna think about tracks
in Bluff Creek, a good example is Ray Wallace, who
faked tracks out there in the fifties. Yeah, you know,
obviously as time goes on now track faking tracks can
get a lot more easier. But I don't even know

(28:25):
how common knowledge like tarsel breaks were in tracks back then,
Like how many people knew about that?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it seems like the odds
are stacked in the favor of it, if it being real,
at least, you know, in my humble opinion, No, I agree.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because there's there's foot there's like there's obviously tracks that
were casted at the film site, both by Roger Patterson
and Bob Tipmas, and then Bob Tipmus casted one that's
pretty famous that there's a pick sure of it that
Lyle Aberty took. But it's the really famous mid tarcel
break track by Patty. And if that was a fake footprint,

(29:10):
don't you wouldn't have that.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Yeah. I think it's a
very very compelling piece of footage for now. Yeah, so
you mentioned that you've got this rare copy of a
Bob Gimlin interview. Are there any revelations in it that

(29:34):
your average bigfooter might not be aware of? Is there
any like interesting information in there? Or is it kind
of so what we are?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, that's pretty much what we already know. He talks
about deciding and then kind of what happened after it
just a little bit. But what makes it different than
other ones is this video was actually we're filmed by
me at the film site with the big tree in
the background that's visible in the Paris and Gamwin film.

(30:08):
And I purviously did that because that's gonna that's a
very unique place to interview Bob is on the side itself,
and to my knowledge and maybe one other person I
don't know, but if they have it, it's not public anywhere,
but mine is not public online anywhere at all. The

(30:31):
only place you can see the full interview is actually
at Cliff Barrackman's museum in Boring, Oregon, the North American
Bigfoot Center. Because the full interview is actually six minutes long.
But jumping back to my very first film, that Holiday
Rainhorn narrated, I do have like a minute and thirty

(30:52):
seconds of that interview in that documentary. Oh okay, so yeah,
the full six full six minute interview was only at
Cliff's place.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Hmmm, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, so I'm pretty happy about that though. It's in
my collection.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Go to Cliff's museum.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, it's actually really cool. We should go.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, I got to get out to the West Coast
again someday, but yeah, it's probably gonna be a while. Yeah. Yeah. Now,
Bob stayed silent on everything for a really long time,
didn't he. I know, Roger promoted the film a lot
up until his untimely death in the early seventies. Unfortunately

(31:42):
he passed. But Bob, Bob didn't really want any of
the limelight for a very while.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
No, it kind of actually almost wrecked his marriage and everything.
And then people were harassing his wife because she worked
at a bank and they're harassing her in different things
like that. I don't think Bob really wanted anything to
do with it for the longest time, and I think
he kind of just broke his silence and then started

(32:07):
talking about it openly. And I guess the rest is
history at that.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Point, right, Yeah, yeah, I feel like that adds a
lot more credibility to the whole thing too. You know,
it's not like he was out for fame and fortune.
Maybe Roger was a little bit. And I know that
there's people who also confuse like the people are like, oh,

(32:33):
he he confessed that he poxed it on his deathbed,
which is it's that's not true that people are confusing
that with I think it's the the guy who took
the surgeon's photo of of NeSSI yeah, yeah, I'm remembering
correctly because that one.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah yeah, I heard about that, you know. And like
I said, there's so many moving pieces and parts to
the Patison Gibbon film, like not just the film itself,
but just everything after it, like what Roger did and stuff,
and what happened with Bob and all that, and right,

(33:14):
it gets crazy the more you look at it. It's
like Bigfoot itself as a rabbit hole the subject. If
you go down a rabbit hole, it's gonna keep getting weirder.
The Paterson Gimmin film is also a rabbit hole in itself.
It's you don't know what to make sense of sometimes.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you mentioned astonishing Legends doing this
several part series. I mean you've got you know, the
forensics experts doing like looking at every angle of this thing, and.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
They actually talk to M. K. Davis too, I think
like the last episode of it, and got his opinion.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
And oh interesting, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, because they talked about Philip Morris, who's the guy
that claimed to make the suit, and then you got
Bob Horoonymus who claimed to wear this suit. And then
you got Roger Patterson, who they were saying paid them.
And then you got Roger Patterson's brother in law, Al

(34:14):
d atlee, who Roger actually mailed the film up to
him to have it developed, but Al had it developed
at like some unknown place, so nobody still knows where
he got developed. And Al Datley kind of forced Roger
to force Bob out of like any money made on

(34:35):
the film and everything, so it was a whole I
guess what they were getting as like there was a
lot more influence from Aldi Allie than Roger actually was
doing himself.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
So interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
And then yeah, actually Al d'atlee did fund Roger to
help make this his documentary that he was doing at
the time before he filmed Patty. So Patty was just
a happy accident.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Well, yeah, we
could go on forever about the PG film for sure. Yeah.
Quick sidebar though, And I always ask when I have
a fellow fellow musicians on as I'm a musician myself,

(35:29):
just for fun, what do you play and what are
your like? Top top three favorite bands?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
And top three is a hard and narrow I do
top five, oh totally. So my instrument I usually play.
I can play drums. I'm self taught on drums. I'm
not very good at guitar really, I'm better at base.
But I play Rickenbacker. I got a nineteen seventy eight

(35:59):
bought it Chicken. I love it. Such a fun bass.
And so when I had when I was in a
band that was like my primary base, I had to
play a live and all that. So and my top
my top five favorite bands, Oh man, this is hard.
Ween is really up there. I've seen them a lot

(36:20):
of times, actually met the I met the lead singer
at Chipotle down the street from my house. Ran into
them there. Tool is up there. I'm gonna have to
fall back on Green Day because I grew up on Dookie.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Oh man, this is a tough one, probably primus since
I'm a bass player. And then last one. Oh man,
I might have to look at my phone and cheat
for this one because I'm trying to I'm trying to
remember what you know, what I'm saying, you like you

(37:03):
always forget until you see like the name of a band.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
God, now, now I'm in a blank. You know what
I'm gonna I'd probably have to go with the Flaming Lips.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Ah, gotcha? Gotcha? I think, uh is it? This? Is it?
This summer or this fall? I feel like they're they're
playing up near where I am and my partner. They're
one of my partner's favorite bands, and and she's like,
we're going to this concert, dude, So I'm probably gonna

(37:45):
go see.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
There, aren't they They're touring with Weezer.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I think, yeah, I think that's correct. Yeah, I think
we're going down to Boston. Dang there, dude, I think
that's where they're playing. They're playing near me in September,
but I might be moving, so I don't know if
I'll be able to get to go see them or not.
Somehow I'm not buying a ticket yet because I want

(38:11):
to spend that much money.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
No, concert tickets are just so so expensive these days.
There's been a lot of really uh, you know bands
that I really like that I've wanted to see coming
around up in the New England area, and it's just like, oh,
I'm looking at these ticket prices because everything gets snatched
up by bots immedately and then they get resold for

(38:35):
triple the price, and you're like, oh.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, that's why I like when I see tickets and
they're relatively cheap. I'm like, you know what, I'll make
the money back later. Somehow I'm going to buy.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
This ticket, right, Yeah, even if you don't go, you
can sell it on some Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well cool,
Thanks for thanks for entertaining the little, uh the side question.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's all good.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I like music, yeah, yeah, I've never actually I've never
actually played a Rickenbacker before, but.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I do very nice bass to play.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah. I started my musical journey playing bass for quite
a long time. I still have a number of basses,
but I primarily play guitar now for my current band
and sing but I do have a nineteen seventy three

(39:37):
or seventy four Gibson Ripper, which there was one in
the local music shop where I grew up, and I
remember seeing it in the used section, and this was
probably around like two thousand and five or two thousand
and six, and I was like, this bass is awesome.

(40:00):
Didn't have the money to buy that one, But a
couple of years later I found one for a good
price on like eBay or something, and I was like,
I have the money, I can get it. And you know,
it's it's a little beat up and it needs it
needs work, but it's just one of those collector's items
that's cool to have. My one of my guitarists was

(40:20):
trying to rewire, rewire like the pickups. I had to
buy a new pickup because one of them was busted,
and he put in like a new there's like a
phase selector switch these old basses, and it's only only
supposed to have four positions, and he put in a
eleven position because spinal tap like an eleven position like

(40:41):
fase switcher, but only like four positions work, so you
can got to like spin it around all sorts of times.
I think the knob fell off eventually.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
My yeah, my uncle works at a guitar store. They're
not like a guitar scenario. You can't go in there
and play guitar and buy one. They build guitars, but
they make Sean Lennon's guitars and guitars for Imagine Dragons.
They're called Built B I. L. T. They're out of

(41:12):
Des Moines, Iowa.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
And oh wow.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I was like, hey, can you can you guys make
me an all gold bass guitar because they made the
what's his name from Imagine Dragons, but they make his
guitar and he wanted all gold. It's fret board, Fret's body,
everything's just all gold. And he's like, yeah, we can
do it. And he's like he was telling me how much.

(41:37):
It was like, holy crap, But.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah no, that's probably even.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Eventually, I'm gonna get it done. I'm gonna get it done. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Nice, Well I hope that happens for you. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well let's get back to some bigfoot stuff here. So
you your more recent endeavor is this sasquatch a search
for Sabe? What is sabe and what are you hoping

(42:13):
to achieve? With this this project. You've got a number
of episodes up on your YouTube channel all about Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I mean, I think, well, okay, Well, Sabe is another
Native American name for Sasquatch. I actually got the idea
from watching Less Stroud survivorman Bigfoot and the he was
in Bluff Creek talking about how he was in Manitoba, Canada,
and up there they have what's called the Seven Teachings

(42:45):
and there's among the seventeen gens, there's I can't remember
how many animals, but there's different animals and they each
represent a different attribute, Like one animal can represent strength
or whatever, but Bigfoot or Sabe represents honest and so
I really like that because you know, there's a lot

(43:08):
of fakery on television and stuff, and I want my
channel to or I want my series to represent Bigfoot,
but I want to represent honesty. So in the beginning
I had it the title was just a search for Sabe,
and then Jeremiah and other people were like, oh, do
people don't know what Sabe means? You're gonna put like Bigfoot.

(43:28):
So that's when I did Sasquatches search for Sabe. And
so that's kind of how the title came about, and
that's what Sabe means. It's another name for Bigfoot. And
then the end goal for it, I don't know, Like
I don't know what I hope to achieve with it,
you know, just kind of just doing it for fun.

(43:51):
I kind of just want to make a series and
show people what we're doing and all that, and what
I think what I wanted the series to be is
to show you what it's really like in the field,
and it's actually a lot. It's really boring. It's if
you if you watch my series, it's not like the
most exciting series ever, but you know, it's there's some entertainment,

(44:15):
there's some laugh laughable parts, and then there's some good
stuff that you know, you kind of I'm very intrigued
by what's going on. So it's kind of my thing
where I'm just going with it. Now. That's kind of
my end goal for it, I guess, really just keep
doing what I'm doing with it.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, sure, So you know, essentially you're you're going out
into the field into different areas to look for Bigfoot
and find evidence, which is cool and obviously it's not
as sensationalized as certain shows that are on network television

(44:54):
where there's action, adventures, suspense. When you're doing the nitty
gritty and you're boots on the ground, you might be
out there for a few days and nothing happens like.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
What it was this last summer we were there. We
were in Bluff Creek for good lord, how many like
three and a half weeks, three weeks, And so I
felt so much that the first episode I put out
was actually almost two hours long, and I split it

(45:28):
up into two episodes, and then I had so much
extra footage I made a two part episode called Unseen
Footage or Unused Footage or whatever, and so but if
I would have edited everything together, it would have been
like a four hour video. And yeah, that was really fun.
But we went up there and for the whole three

(45:52):
weeks we got skunked out. It just yeah, but you
know what we hit every year, and we that's part
of research. You kind of go up there and just
do it. It's not you don't always get everything, and
I think my series really reflects that. And then when
we do, we've had moments where we've actually caught stuff

(46:12):
before when filming, what during filming, and so yeah, we
just we have a lot of fun with it and
we enjoy it, and then we try to do other
things people aren't doing. So we really think out the
box with our research methods and just try and do
different things, even if they seem absurd or crazy or whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
So yeah, yeah, what are what are some of the
out of the box things that you do that other people?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
So we'll like set up a dummy camp and put
like audio recorders in it and like make a fake
fire ring and just kind of do that, make pretend
like somebody's there trying some other things. I would like
take my base out in the field with an amp
and play music and try that. We've tried music before,

(47:03):
Laser light shows, We've we've been doing that and all
these just wackle wack wacky things because we're just like thinking, man,
you know what a lot of researchers now, I mean, yeah,
the best thing to do is be a camper, stay
in camp, because they're gonna you're not gonna find them.
There's no way they're gonna come into you if they're

(47:25):
interested or not. But we were like, how do we
make us more interesting than what they've been seeing. Let's
have live music, Let's do a rave with laser lights
and everything and all that, because I think your typical Bigfoot,
if they are spying on campers, are just seeing people
playing guitar or just talking around a fire, not really

(47:47):
being interesting. So trying to try to be very interesting
is the best approach. And we're really taking that a
little too literal.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Ray, Yeah, throwing parties in the woods and see if
big Bigfoot wants to come, come and play.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. It's it's still a
type of research method. Whether it works or not, I
don't know. Probably it's probably, you know, just just another
way of doing it.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you do have to get creative
sometimes with with this kind of stuff. Yeah, because we
don't we don't have one hundred percent undeniable proof just yet.
There's a lot of really good and compelling evidence. But yeah,
and these these these animals, these creatures, if they're real,

(48:46):
you know, I suspect they're very intelligent and there's a
reason why, you know, they're very elusive. So yeah, yeah,
Now you've also been in involved with some some other
other crews out there, like small Town Monsters. You've you've
been on some Beyond the Trail episodes. How were those

(49:11):
experiences with the STM crew and was there any interesting
evidence or experiences in those situations that you can talk.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, there was a couple there was. There was a
couple times in Florida where we had some stuff happen
near where I live actually currently. We we were out
one night, we had a I did a wood knock
and we got a response back to us, and that
was very interesting. Wow, And so yeah, that was really cool.

(49:44):
And one of the crazier times I've ever had actually
in the field was twenty twenty one when I was
with Was it twenty twenty one or twenty twenty twenty
to twenty I can't remember, twenty twenty or twenty twenty one,
one of the two. I can't remember what you're it was.
It's been so long, you go on so many tips,
you forget. Yeah, but we were out there. This is

(50:07):
the first time I met Alex and Eli. We met
up in southern California and then we drove north through
San Francisco, going to different spots and they've never been
to Bluff Creek, and so we get out into Bluff
Creek eventually and I'm driving. I had a Honda Ridgeline
at the time, so it sat up a little bit higher.

(50:30):
I had a little bit better tires. And Eli is
driving this little Toyota Corolla and there's this one section
of road where there's kind of like rocks that come
down off of the hill and kind of cover the road,
and some of these rocks are really sharp, so we're
kind of we stopped picking up rocks and kind of
chucking them down the hill towards the creek and they're

(50:51):
hitting the bottom and me and Eli and Alex were
doing that and then Alex is like, hey, do you
guys hear that? And Eli and I are like, no,
would you hear He's like I thought I heard like
a rar or something, and so Eli's like, I didn't
hear nothing. He picks up another rock and throws it,
and all of a sudden, these rocks start coming down

(51:11):
at us, and Alex is like hanging out of the
way and he looks it one way, and Eli and
I take cover behind my car, and as we're looking
up where the rocks came from, we hear something down
in the creek below us walking away. It was the
weirdest thing ever. It felt coordinated how it happened, and

(51:35):
then because the next day we went up to where
these rocks came down. There's an old road that's not
it's decommissioned road, but you can you can walk up there.
So we went up to the road, and to get
the rocks to fall on us as they did that night,
we had to pile them up and push them off.

(51:59):
So that's when it really encouraged me. He was like, man,
this was really weird. It felt coordinated, like we were
terrorizing something down there. Something up here got our attention
by pushing rocks at us, which it worked, and then
whatever it was down there made its getaway. So wow,
that was pretty strange. Yeah, that is super interesting. It's

(52:22):
all on camera. And then this same trip, we were
in this meadow and we had a road group. It
was Alex and Eli's last night and I was staying
there a couple more nights. But we had a road
group that consisted of a couple of friends. Oh, my
Ron Reid being one of them that's in my series.

(52:46):
He was on the road group and they were walking
the road, and then me and Alex Eli and Jonathan
Easley Western Bigfoot Exploration. We were in the meadow and
then Alex and I were kind of pushed up against
these trees in the back of the meadow, and then
Jonathan and Eli were kind of in this little island

(53:08):
area where this giant tree is and they're kind of
hanging around there, and then I radio tube my friend Stevie,
who's on the road group as well. I was like, hey,
can you guys do a call? He does a call,
and then maybe a couple of minutes later, Alex and
I are kind of I'm standing up, Alex is sitting down,
I'm looking into the meadow. We hear something get thrown

(53:31):
at us, and like a branch breaks right behind us,
probably within like fifteen yards. I know that freaked Alex
up or freaked Alex out because he stood up and
was like, I'm gonna stand up now. And so that
was creepy because we heard a knock later on from

(53:51):
the same direction but further away. So twenty twenty, I
think it was the year. That was the year that
I've ever had for potential activity and Bigfoot and all that.
It was the wildest trip and craziest stuff I've ever
had happened in Bluff Creek. Definitely the most aggressive kind

(54:12):
of encounters to have.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah. Yeah, when you have rocks coming at you from
a source unknown and it's dark out, like.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Forget dude, we were like what the heck like? And
I'm glad Eli caught that rock slide on film because
it describing it. It's one thing, but when you actually
watch it, like this actually happened. And every time, I like,
I'll watch the whole Bigfoot Mountain by small Town Monsters,

(54:49):
not Bigfoot Mountain, Bigfoot of Bluff Creek, which is the
episode that all happens, and and I'll watch that from
kind to time and I'll like, I'll think back on
a lot of these memories. I'm like, dude, this was.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Wild Yeah, yeah, you were there. Yeah, you got to
experience experience something that definitely points to there being something
intelligent out in the wilderness that we don't have a
classification for. Oh yeah, so yeah, what would you say

(55:26):
is your your favorite part about getting out in the
into the field looking for Bigfoot? Is it just kind
of the just the hangs or just the prospect of
maybe finding more evidence.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, that's the I think it's a little bit of both.
I mean, going by yourself was boring because, for one,
it's just you and yourself. I mean that could I
get there's a joy in it. I'll do it here
and there. But when you go with other like minded people,
you know, you kind of feed off each other and
you're kind of you're there for the same reason. And

(56:01):
as a buddy of mine, Kit Morrel says, you know,
he just likes going camping with his buddies, and then
Bigfoot is aside. It's a bonus, you know. So I
like the mystery, you know, and then I keep going
even if nothing does happen, because when something does happen,

(56:23):
there's that's the reason why I'm going back out there.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Right right exactly. And it just adds to the evidence pile,
which you know, maybe someday will we'll contribute to proving
whether or not these things exist. But yeah, now I'm wondering,
oh real quickly.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I was just gonna say it. And I feel like
a lot of people are trying to like prove this
to themselves or prove it to others. I'm not really
trying to do that, you know. For me, I already
believe what you know. I already believe that Bigfoot is
real from this personal experience. So I'm not out there

(57:06):
trying to prove it to myself. But I'm also not
out there trying to prove it to other people. I'm
not trying to get like the end. I just want
to get some footage. That'd be cool, man, you know
what I'm saying. That's all I want. I'm It's like,
I take it very seriously, you know, and I'm not
going to fake anything or lie about anything, because I'm

(57:27):
not about that. I'm really out there for just like
the thrill of thrill of it, because you know, if
you've ever been squatching, you had something happened it, your
adrenaline does go up. It's quite like a you get
like this adrenaline high. It's weird, and it's like you

(57:48):
look forward to it the next time you get to
do it.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
So yeah, makes sense. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
That's kind of where I'm at though on it.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, I've never been squatch big footing before. I know
there was a group somewhere nearby. I'm not sure if
they're associated with the BFRO or not, but I remember
hearing about that about them back in the day, where
they go out and you know, do their their nightly

(58:19):
expeditions and searches over a weekend or whatever, do some
some wood knocks and and all that stuff. But yeah,
maybe someday I'll go Maybe someday, Yeah, sounds like a
good day.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
It's never so.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Now, obviously you go out in the field and do
a lot of on the ground research, but do you
ever talk to locals in the areas that you go to,
Like how much does eyewitness testimony factor into your research
and filmmaking?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
You know, I've never really like reached out to people
for my filmmaking like about you know, eyewitness reports normally
because it's like, you know, it's fifty to fifty if
it's a real if it was a credible report or not.
And so it's I think there's already too many people
doing like eyewitness podcasts and documentaries. It's like, I just

(59:27):
don't want to do that. I'm just kind of doing
my thing, you know. And then I'm working with other
people that I trust really well in the field, and
we put our minds together about wildlife and you know,
just different parts of the country where we think they
might be, and just we go for it that way,
because at the end of the day, the only person

(59:48):
I really trust about ausiding is myself or someone I
really really really trust.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
So yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, there are certainly
a lot of people that aren't necessarily honest about it,
and SAVE is about being honest. So yeah, and it's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I just don't really you know. Then it's like do
we do do we do an investigation where this person
had a sighting? And that's plus there's a lot more
what's the word I'm looking for, there's a lot more
outreach and stuff and stuff you have to do to
get prepared for if you're gonna go film and stuff,

(01:00:33):
and it's like you're gonna have a schedule, it's you know,
I just kind of like to get out in the
field and start filming and I kind of just make
you know, like just make it happen. Just go out
there and make it happen. Start filming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, that definitely gives you
a more unique and what would be the the word
for it, I guess like a kind of more era
aerodynamic approach, Like you're yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I've tried it before in the past where I've planned
like something, you know, and then I get out there
and start filming, and then it becomes something completely different
than what I had planned, and I'm like, man, I'm
not going to start I'm not going to plan these anymore,
you know what. Like I guess there is a certain
planning to an extent, Like you know, we I get

(01:01:31):
a group together of people that I really want to
go with, and then you know, leading up to a trip.
I guess the is not really a theme, but we
always try different ideas we can film and see if
they work or not. I guess it's about filming ideas
while in the field and not necessarily going for a

(01:01:53):
certain narrative. Like Okay, last episode was about mind speak.
This episode is going to be about portals, you know,
and so now mine's like, hey, let's just put our
minds together. Let's just almost talking about how we're gonna
do a night investigation and let people see that boring

(01:02:14):
side and what actually goes into doing something. And you
come up with a cool plan and you film it,
you film the nine investigation. If things happen, your plan
did or didn't work, or maybe they just weren't in
the area, and you can always try the plan again
next time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Right. Yeah, Yeah, Now that just brings it into my mind.
You're mentioning mind speak and portals. This leads me to
what do you think bigfoot is? Do you think there
are flesh and blood primates or do you entertain the

(01:02:54):
idea that some people claim there's this paranormal aspect to them.
You know a lot of people will report UFOs or
portals or bigfoots, shape shifting or turning invisible. Like, what
do you make of all all of that side of bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
You know, from my personal experience, I haven't really experienced
a lot of that, So I've been on the side
for flesh and blood for a long time. Just just
from my experience personally, that's where I'm pretty heavily on
that side. There's one instance that was pretty weird that

(01:03:38):
happened in South or North Florida. I was with RPG.
This is actually going to be on the Trail episode.
I was with RPG, James Bros, Stacy Brown, alex and
Eli and we were working this area and so we
had a plan where like or Stacey took us to

(01:03:59):
an area, but we had a plan where Alex, Eli
and Stacey would walk ahead with lights on up the
road from and then we would follow five minutes later.
Me James and RPG without lights and so like they
walked up the road and then we ended up leaving,
falling behind them without lights and probably within like two

(01:04:22):
minutes of walking, we hear a clear knock off to
our left stopped us in our tracks. Were like, what
is that? And then we were deciding do we knock back,
do we do anything? And we were like, okay, let's
just continue walking. And then almost immediately after we started
walking again, another knock off to our right unsolicited. Were like, dude,

(01:04:44):
and these are the clearest knocks I've ever heard, but
this is North Florida. And then leading up to that
this moment, we switched the rolls where RPG and I
and James would walk back with lights on, and then Stacy,

(01:05:05):
Eli and Alex would follow behind us with lights out.
So we got back to the car, RPG is talking
with another buddy of his, Me and James are kind
of hanging out, and it irritated me because the knocks
I didn't get those recorded, and so I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna record audio right now, and

(01:05:25):
I put the audio recorder on the hood of my car,
and James and I are talking as we're waiting for
alex Eli and Stacy to meet up with us, and
all of a sudden, me and James at the same time,
we go, whoa, do you see that? We saw this
bright blue ball of light kind of dash between the trees,

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and we're like, what the heck? And you could hear
something the audio like did you you saw that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
And I'm like, yeah, dude, I saw it. It was
insane and so that was it was pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah. Yeah. And you think that that orb of light
was correlated with the wood knocks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I don't know, you know, for me personally, I can't
really say bigfoot and like paranormal. I don't think they're
like the one and the same, even if they happened
in the same areas at the same time. Anythink that's
just a coincidence, just from my personal experience, because, like
I said, I haven't really experienced that much in the

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woods of like weird things like balls of light. It's
mainly just been like something physical, like a wood knock
or something like that. Yeah, but nothing, nothing weird for
that one time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, those those types of things are I
don't know, very very very rare, and uh, you know,
maybe it was just Coinci. How big was the ball
of light? Was it pretty larger?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Uh, maybe a little bit bigger than a softball?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Interesting? I wonder if there's any legends or stories of
ghost lights or spook lights at that part of Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
From what Stacy was saying, he was he said he's
been seeing lights in different areas, weird lights and stuff,
and so I was like, Okay, that's weird. But I
was not expecting that to happen, you know what I'm saying. Like,
and it wasn't like my eyes were playing tricks on
me or anything. It was really really really cold that

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night too. Is that it was also weird. This is
the coldest night and no, this is the coldest like
time in Florida for some weird reason, no matter where
we went in Florida. And that's I find that strange
because we had big for activity and it was really cold,
and then we had the blue ball of light and
like whoa, it was clear as day blue the two

(01:08:04):
of us. That's the that's the way I know, Like
it wasn't my mind plane tricks somebody, because both myself
and somebody else saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's wild. I've I've seen the house
I grew up at. I've mentioned this story a couple
of times, but when I was growing up, I saw
this orange, like beach ball sized orb of light go
through like really fast in the woods that was next

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to my house. It's just like a zip and I
thought like I was just seeing things. But then a
couple of minutes later, I saw it come back from
the direction that it headed to in the first place,
back to its orange like I'm going to go inside.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I don't know what the hell that is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
So yeah, and I there wasn't a big foot around
or anything, so I mean, it's like, who knows what
these things are. I did an episode about spook lights
and ghost lights a long time ago. If anyone hasn't
listened to it, definitely check it out. It's super interesting phenomena.
It is really.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Weird, though. Yeah, I feel like the those witnesses are like, man,
I saw a bigfoot, but I don't know who to
tell or you know, It's just like, I don't know,
it's weird that I saw it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
It's sometimes yeah, I mean I'm sure there's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I wish I didn't see it because people I don't
get like PTSD or like have trouble sleeping, but I
wish I didn't see it. So, you know, people ask me,
do you think they're connected? I I cannot answer that
question and not tell that story either. So that's what
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
It's a it's a it's yeah, it's a it's a
weird a weird world, and it's it's just kind of
asks more questions. You're right, there was an.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Interesting theory about that that I think money Maker did
tweet about, but I had something to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I think Cliff was talking about it on their podcast
and he was saying money Maker talked about this thing.
It has something to do with like tectonic plates in
the Earth, and certain areas might be more they have
more like I guess energy from the you know, the
magnetic How do you I was describing it so horribly,

(01:10:30):
But basically there's certain areas like Shasta for example, it's
a very it's a volcanic magnetic area. So maybe these
areas are producing balls a light because there's more energy
in the area versus other places.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
So yeah, I think it's like piso electricity, where pressure
on rocks and crystals can sometimes make an electric charge
the air and it will discharge and put up like
balls of light. I think that's one of the theories
about like the Brown Mountain lights in North Carolina. But yeah, yeah, no,

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I get what the what money makers trying to get
across there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
So I'm maybe thinking like maybe there was big foots
and maybe that's what happened, That's what caused the ball
the light we saw.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Who knows, Yeah, yeah, I mean who knows indeed for sure.
So do you have any any other upcoming expeditions or
projects coming up? I think you mentioned you were you're
headed back to Bluff Creek, but is there any any

(01:11:38):
other place that you're headed to this year?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Headed to Bluff Creek for sure. Then I think We're
gonna do a little just a couple of days in
Oregon up in Mountain Hood. I'm gonna go up there,
and then that's about it for this year. I will
be filming new episodes for that. My recent trip that
I was just on was in South Florida. That was

(01:12:02):
a couple of weeks ago with RPG and my buddy Ron,
which I have a brand new episode that's almost finished
that's coming out next month. That'll be a good one.
So but yeah, that's pretty much my trip is just
this year later on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah, do you have like a favorite besides Bluff Creek?
What would you say is your favorite spot to go
and research.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Besides Bluff Creek. I don't get there as much as
I would like to, and I've only been there once. Man,
it's down between Oregon and Bumping Lake and Washington. But man,
Bumping Lake was pretty cool. Yeah, I'm probably gonna say Bumping.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Lake, gotcha, And that's an organ Washington. Okay, where's that near?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I'm I want to say it's not too far away
from Yakima. You can see Mountain near from the lake
on a clear day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
It's a It's a really cool spot. There's a couple
of areas that I really want to get back there
and explore. So i'm home with one day, I'll just
plan a trip for just going out there and hanging
out and doing some more exploring.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah. Yeah, is that a pretty close to the area
of like the Freeman footage wasn't Paul Freeman from I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Not sure where Paul is from, but I know I
think it is in Washington. Yeah, I can't remember where
where it's at exactly d Duck Springs, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Okay, but you know, yeah, that's a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Beautiful area up there. Definitely recommend me if you just
want to go for like a cool summer vacation and
go chill in the lake. It's a sweet area for that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds awesome and maybe you'll see a
sasquatch hopefully. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well this has been
a lot of fun. Say before we go, uh, can
you please let my listeners know the best place to
find you and your work online.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
You can find me on YouTube at Tate Turonymous t
A T E h I E R O N Y
m U S. That's on YouTube. And then you can
find my Instagram. I want to say, it's sasquatches search
for Sabe or it's just a search for Sabe. You
can find that. That's whe I'm gonna post a lot

(01:14:53):
of stuff from trips and all that, and uh yeah,
those are pretty much my two socials that I like
to point people towards.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
There you go, all right, Well, thank you again so
much for joining me, and we'll talk to you soon.
Thank you all right, Thanks again to Tate for coming

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of these days. I don't know. It's I think it's
great that we've got people like Tate going out there
and doing the work. So definitely check out Tate online
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