Humanoid Encounters and Aliens over Maine with Nomar Slevik

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All right, So my guest for today is Nomarslevic, author, investigator,
independent researcher, lifelong experiencer who's spent over two decades documenting

(02:06):
UFO sightings, alien abductions, encounters with other worldly beings in
the state of Maine, not too far from where Strange
OLOGYHQ is, and he's written a number of books, including
UFOs over Maine other Worldly Encounters. We've also got Granted
Skies the Starborn in his most recent effort being Humanoid Encounters.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Mar's work dives headfirst into the high strangeness that surrounds
UFOs and this phenomenon of the other, this other worldly
intelligence that seems to surround us, and his storytelling and
work into these topics shows that often the truth is
far stranger than we can ever imagine. So thank you

(02:51):
so much for joining me today, no more glad to
see you again. We met a few years ago at
fourty infest in Maine. That was one of the first
events I ever did. Actually, So yeah, glad we could reconnect,
and we're going to get into a whole bunch of stuff,
I'm sure. But I gotta know about this UFO sighting

(03:15):
that you had when you were a kid. You were
what four years old, and I'm yeah, and so this
obviously was probably the spark like for so many of
us that caused us to look into this kind of stuff.
What happened with this sighting?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, well, first of all, that was amazing intro, so
thank you. But what happened was my mother had put
me to bed and a loud bang woke me up
in the middle of the night. And you know, I'm
four or five years old, the middle of the night.
I don't know if that's nine pm or three am.
But my eyes pop open and I'm kind of like

(03:56):
looking around for some sort of explanation, and I start
to hear these light taps at my window and my
eyes go over there and I realize it's rain, and
then the skylights up and I was like, oh, thunder
and lightning storm. Thunder must have woke me up. So
now I lean up on my bed and I'm, you know,

(04:18):
watching the storm. And we at the time, we lived
right at the tip of main We lived right along
the Saint John River, so I can like look out
my bedroom window and I can see the Saint John
River like raging below, and I'm seeing, you know, the
skylight up still, and after just a moment or so,
there was this really disturbing lightning bolt and like if

(04:42):
I were to ask you to draw it, you would
draw this jagged yellow line and it was stuck in
a cloud. It was so weird, and there was a
halo around it, and there was electricity coming off of it,
and there was more booms associated with it. And at
that age, which I knew, you saw lightning only just
a split second. So it was confusing and weird, but

(05:06):
not necessarily scary. And you know, I don't really know
what happened after that, other than falling back asleep. I
wake up the next morning and I go to the bathroom.
When I'm done, I leave the bathroom and I'm walking
towards my bedroom and I can see out my window
and it's still there, and I know this isn't right,

(05:28):
So I go downstairs and I get my dad and
I bring them upstairs to show them, and I'm telling
them about the storm and all that stuff, and when
we look, it's gone, and he was doing the you know,
the parent thing, just kind of like patting my head,
being like yeah, yeah. But I must have been very
animated because he had to like kneel down, get on

(05:50):
my level, hands on my shoulders, and he's like, buddy,
it didn't even rain last night, Like, I don't know
what you're talking about. So that's basically the whole story.
But two weeks later, I was woken up again in
the middle of the night, and this time it was
my dad and he brings me downstairs and I can

(06:12):
see my mother, you know, shoving my sister into her
winter clothes, and then she does the same thing to me,
and then my dad scoops me up and we all
walk outside, and this is main in the winter, so
it's super cold, and I immediately like put my head
in his chest and he keeps telling me, buddy, you
gotta look up, you gotta look up. So I finally
look and it was the northern lights. It's the only

(06:34):
time I saw him. We had eight hundred opportunities in
twenty twenty four to see it. It was always cloudy here.
It was very frusctating to me. So that was the
only time I've seen him. And I think what happened
was those two incidents occurring so close together at such
a young age, developed some sort of like core memory

(06:58):
and it's like strange stuff happens up there, so pay attention,
and I kind of have been ever since. And like
you said right at the start, that was the spark.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, that's a super interesting story, omar. I mean, yeah,
when you see stuff like that, especially at a young age,
I mean it really does form this this core memory,
and your understanding of the world at that age, of
course is very limited, but you kind of have a
pretty good grasp on you know, how things work and.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Whether you know, you don't know the intricacies, but you know,
I understand rain, weather, lightning, you know exactly.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, And I also quick shout out to the constantly
cloudy skies in New England.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, when whenever the Northern lights happened.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I think I've only ever seen them once or twice
myself in Vermont, and it's just, yeah, always frustrating. Now,
you know, throughout your life Have there been any additional
times where you've seen UFOs or had any other paranormal encounters.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah. I wrote a book about a guy named Mike
Stevens and he's at a New Hampshire and it's a
book called Grants Guys, and he runs a support group
for people who think they've been abducted, and he very
much calls them experiencers. And I really wasn't aware of
that term other than like old world kind of like

(08:32):
UFO stuff, you know, in the sixties, talking about experiencers.
But Mike was using that word synonymous with abductees, and
that was the word I was used to. But I'd
like experiencers and I'd like his philosophy with how he
helps the people, And he helped to instill in me
that I too, am an experiencer without the abduction piece.

(08:54):
But I'm still you know, I still see things. So
in my lifetime, starting at four or five years old,
about fourteen UFOs. But when I say UFOs, I do
mean the actual acronym unidentified flang object. They could be
man made. I just don't know what the hell they are.
I would say, out of those fourteen, it's certainly possible

(09:14):
that maybe half of them is just something I couldn't
identify at the time, but it was man made. But
I do say there's a good five or seven of
them where I don't know what the hell they were.
And I think the next most significant sighting I had
was in two thousand and seven ish in Freeport, Maine,

(09:36):
which is in the southern part of the state. And
I had gotten home from work, and it was again
the early part of the year, so it was still
dark earlier, and I had gotten home probably four thirty
five o'clock from work, and about five thirty or so,
my roommate shows up and I hear them come in,

(09:57):
slam the door, and then like run up the stairs,
and I'm like, what is going on? Like why are
they like, you know, running inside and coming upstairs, And
then they burst into my computer room and music room
and stuff, and they're like, there's a UFO outside right
now and it's hovering over the neighbor's house.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
And I'm like what.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And you know, this person's typically a skeptic first of all,
so that surprised the hell out of me. So I
run downstairs and I go on the porch and sure enough,
across the street who they were, actually my landlord. But
across the street above their house, maybe a football field's
length away above the house, were these two red lights

(10:36):
with a white light in the middle, just hovering there.
And it looked as big as a car or what
people are seeing as drones right now, you know, like
it was. It looks significant, and it was completely silent
because we're not that far. I'm probably half a football
field length away from their house. And so I have
one of those old Nokia brick phones and I pull

(10:56):
that out and I take a picture and I just
get like this squig the red line and a sea
of blackness. I'm like, all right, well that was stupid.
But so I'm watching the thing and it's hovering, and
just after I don't you know, less than a minute,
it moves up diagonally, you know however many feet because
I can't tell, and then it stops again, and I'm like, okay,

(11:19):
what's going to happen next? And then just a moment
after that, it starts moving out a level trajectory kind
of paralleling the road. And so now I'm like, all right,
I got to go follow this thing. So I get
in my car and I immediately lose sight of it
because I had to, Like, my car was parked facing me,
so I had to get in and backed out, and yeah,
I can't keep my eye on. So I get down

(11:41):
to the road and it's gone. So about a mile
up the road there's this bed and breakfast and there's
this huge field right next to it, and I'm like, okay,
I'll pull over there and it'll come into view that
you know, big view of the sky and the ocean's
right there. I have to see it. So I park there.
My head's on a swivel. Nothing. I never see it again.

(12:03):
So I get home and I asked my roommate about it,
and they're like, yeah, I was driving home and it
almost seemed like it was following me. It was just
off the tree tops, and I felt like this presence,
this thing, you know, like when this is what they're
telling me, you know, when you feel like somebody's watching
you and you just turn and look and you see

(12:24):
someone's looking at you. She's like it felt like that,
and they look up and they see this thing following
the car. And then when they got home and parked,
they turned around and looked and it was hovering over
the house.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Really wow.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, and that was you said two thousand and seven.
So yeah, that's kind of pre drones really at least.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I mean at least commercial you know, available to
people like us.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, but you know, if it was if it was
government or something, you know, why would they be flying
over your landlord's you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Made you know, I mean, and to play Devil's advocate
to myself, there's an area called Brunswick Naval Air Station
that's nearby. It was defunct at the time, but there
were still some i think some Coast Guard activities that
would that would happen there. Now it's completely shut down
military wise and it's all like industrial businesses, but so

(13:24):
that's always a possibility. But like you just said, why
the hell they doing hovering over my landlord's house?

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Because they weren't.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
It wasn't so high that it was like celestial And
is that over the house or is it you know,
twenty eight miles you know, that way over the water. No,
it was very obvious it was over the house, you know,
so that wouldn't make sense to me anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
But yeah, that is super interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean to see something so close and like,
you know, Yeah, that's always a wild experience for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, and I got to say I was a little
bit more scared with that one. You know, I'm obviously
an adult at that point, and I'm like, this is
really close, and you know, all the classic things are happening.
It's not moving, it's silent, it's at night, I'm by myself,
you know, and it was a little unnerving. But as

(14:17):
soon as it moved, I was like, I know, I
got to go after it. I can't just you know,
let this go. So yeah, I'm glad I did that,
but it sucks I didn't see it again.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, that's definitely frustrating for sure. Do you think there
may have been any kind of connection between that and
what you saw when you were a kid, or do
you think they're unrelated.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I generally walk around with the feeling that they're unrelated.
But when I talk to somebody like Mike or maybe
another experience or that I'm like interviewing for a book
or something, and I'm trying to be relatable to them
and sharing my own stories with them, it comes up
more that you maybe they are related, uh, because that's

(15:03):
that's certainly a possibility too. Again, It's not something I
walk around typically thinking of uh that that. You know,
I've been followed my whole life by the same thing.
I just think I pay attention a lot more than
the average person because I'm actively looking for.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Things, you know, right, Yeah, No, that makes a lot
of sense for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Now, so when you're you're working on your books, you know,
do you how do you really you know, approach it?
You you you interview people? Do you kind of go
about it more as you know your your UFO investigator
or are you an objective journalist? Are you kind of
just combining you know, different methodologies to kind.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Of yeah, I would say combined.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
None.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, I'm combining different methodologies because I am a UFO researcher,
but I'm also a human being. And there's been a
lot of trauma in my life and things that surround
that with anxiety and depression and introverted and suicidal ideation.
And while the catalyst for those were not UFO related,

(16:13):
people I talk to, their catalyst for those feelings are
UFO related, and that kind of puts us on an
even playing field, and it comes up a lot more
often than you would think. And so what It comes
down to when I'm talking to somebody a they very
much know that I'm looking to a document this as

(16:33):
fully as possible and present it to the public in
you know, either a book or a talk or a
podcast or something, so they know that going into it.
But all of that aside, I am there as a
non judgmental kind ear and if throughout any of the process,
even to the point where I'm almost about to hit publish,

(16:56):
you know, the metaphorically speaking, if they don't want that
story to be featured, it gets cut, no matter how
much I love it, because that's what you have to
do for people, you know. So it's very much about
the experiencer for me, and if I can just be kind,
non judgmental and let them be heard, which is the

(17:19):
biggest deal in my opinion, I think that's the best
thing that I can do. And even if I don't
get to put it out publicly, it's still documented as
a matter of historical record within my files, you know,
and that sits well with me too.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
So yeah, yeah, you certainly have to respect people's stories
and their wishes.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's a.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Kind of a how would you are almost like it's
a reality breaking world bending subject because a lot of
people who are experiencers are often ridiculed.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah yeah, I mean I feel like that's getting better now,
but that's generally speaking. These are people that still have
to go to work, still deal with their family, and
that's it's not a thing that's always accepted amongst your
immediate community, you know. So if I'm the one person
that they've confided in or you know, however that works,

(18:18):
then you know, I want to respect that as much
as possible, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely very important for sure. You know,
you're doing great work out there, and it's good to
have people like you who are you know, doing the groundwork.
And speaking of groundwork, your latest effort, Humanoid Encounters, recently
came out, and this is kind of like a chronicle

(18:46):
of creatures and entities that have been seen in Maine.
What are some of the most interesting stories that you
came across when you were working on this book.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, first of all, I think I'm playing a little
fast and loose with humanoid encounters. I have like a
whole ghost section and if they were described in a
human manner, cool it's going in the book, you know. Yeah, sure,
So just to put that out there. But yeah, there
was lots of crazy things that I came across. You
have the regular stuff, you know, I say regular because

(19:18):
we're desensitized at this point, but Bigfoot dog Man, even
black eyed kids. But some of the more strange stuff
was in what I was really looking for were like
pale crawlers, which is still a frightening thing to me.
Also amphibious aliens, if you will, or amphibious creatures. I

(19:39):
can't necessarily say they're aliens, but you know, like the
Loveland Frogman is like a beloved story to me, and
you know, the paranormal lore of it all. And so
I was searching high and far for a frogman's story
from Maine and boil Boy. It wasn't until I've been
working on this book, you know, off and on for

(20:00):
a couple of years, And it wasn't until literally Thanksgiving
Day of last year when I found the frogman story
from Maine. And it came to me from another local author,
a local author to Maine who has since retired. I
don't know the gentleman at all, but he has this

(20:21):
one famous book in my world, this one famous book
that features a colonel Buck's Grave on the cover, which
is a famous gravestone in Bucksport, Maine, which has a
witch's foot on it, and it's the supposed curse that
happened during the Salem which trial years and blah blah blah.
There's not a whole lot actually to it. It's more
lower than real, but it's a famous landmark and that's

(20:44):
what was on the cover. And I remember seeing that
mister paperback, which isn't around anymore, but I remember seeing
that and flipping through it. I'm like, oh, I got
to get this book sometime. And he has since retired,
and for a while he had a YouTube Channe. So
I'm searching everywhere Frogman main and you know how you
do all the random searches on Google trying to find something,

(21:07):
and I come across his YouTube page and I'm like, oh, yeah,
that's the guy with the book, and all right, well,
what the hell's he got to say? So I'm listening
to one of his YouTube videos and he goes and
this book has you know, it's got blah blah blah
and blah blah blah and also you know, the Frogmen
of Maine, And I'm like, whoa what first of all,
you said that way too casually. Second of all, Frogmen

(21:28):
of main. So I rewound it, you know, I double
tapped my screen went back twenty seconds and then he's
like blah blah blah blah blah frogment of me. And
I'm like, Okay, I gotta find this story. So I
had to find his book because that's what it was in.
I find the book and I see the book that
he referenced for his story. So then I went and

(21:49):
tracked down that book. And that was a book that
was put out in the early nineteen hundreds by a
gentleman named George Cleveland, and it was called Maine in
Verse and Story. So it includes poems and stories all
kind of mixedmashed together. And there's this one story that
sticks out like a sore thumb out of all the

(22:12):
different names and that are given. It's definitely of that
timeframe of the early nineteen hundreds except for one story.
And it's called the Remic Case. It's a very modern title,
the Something Case, you know, and it's Remick, which is
the last name of this person in this story. So

(22:32):
the story goes there's this gentleman twenty five years old.
His name is Silas Remick, and he lived in western
northern Maine, and he had a homestead with his family, father, mother, siblings,
and his father dies. So now he's the head of
the household. He's responsible for all the stuff now. And

(22:53):
there's this one lake called Devil's Lake that he was
always told never to go to. The whole community doesn't
go there. But he's always heard it's good fishing. Yeah,
of course, and the name, of course, but he's always
heard it's great fishing.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
He wants to really provide I'm going to that lake
and I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Catch a bunch of fish.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
So he does, and sure enough, he catches a whole
bunch of fish, and he's like yeah. So he goes home.
His mother's like, I can't believe you went there, but wow,
look at all this trout.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
This is amazing.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
So a couple of days go by and he kind
of can't stop thinking about the lake, and he's like,
all right, I gotta go back, but not right now.
I got stuff to do. So like four days go
by and then he's like, I gotta go. So he
goes and he catches a whole bunch more fish, and
then he comes home, and then he's like, I can't
stop thinking about the lake. Why am I obsessed with

(23:45):
this lake? And then he goes the next day, and
then the next day, and it gets to the point
where his mother's like, dude, you're, you know, shirking your
responsibilities here. You gotta stop going. And he's like, you're right,
my bad, I need to do better. He doesn't. He
immediately goes fishing the next day. On that particular day,

(24:07):
he's up there and there's this mountainous area that's not
too far away, excuse me, not too far away, and
it's got like this cliff ridge on it, and he
can see that there's two people standing up on this ridge,
and he's like, why do they look so weird? But
they're too just a little bit too far away. But
he's like there's something about him that feels off, but

(24:29):
they're keeping their distance. I'm just going to keep fishing.
So he does that. Everything seems fine. He goes back
the next day. They're a little bit closer, and he's like, God,
they look so weird. There's something about their heads, you know.
But again, they're just a little too far away. But
he's like, maybe it's some sort of indigenous tribe that
I'm not aware of. So he keeps fishing. He goes

(24:51):
back the next day and he's walking his path to
the fishing spot, and all of a sudden, these two
entities of jump up in the path in front of him.
And he described them as bipedal, like six foot tall,
but they had heads as frogs, that's the only way

(25:11):
he could describe them. Their skin was green like a frog, scaly,
and they apprehended him and he was never heard from again.
So five years go by, his poor mother passes away,
never knowing what happened to the sun. So this New
Yorker moves up to Maine and he buys this homestead.

(25:35):
It's not said that it's their homestead, but it's kind
of implied a little bit. And he buys his homestead
and he hires a local to help him with fishing
and putting the homestead together and all this stuff. And
this New York guy is really interested in the paranormal
and he likes to talk to his main friend about it.
You know, this guy he hired. They became fast friends,
and the main guy doesn't really care for the paranormal,

(25:58):
so they're kind of arguing about it quite a bit,
and he goes there's got to be something local here, like,
tell me about something here. And he's like, oh, well,
there's Devil's Lake and what happened to Silas Remick? And
he's like, well, what's that story? That's what I just
told you. So the New Yorkers like, you dare to
go up to the lake? You know, if you don't

(26:21):
believe in the paranormal, you shouldn't be scared to go
up there. And the main guy was like, yeah, yeah, cool,
let's go, and so they make a plan to go
the next day. So they're up there, they're in the
canoe and they're like, oh my god, this is beautiful.
You know, I can't believe people don't come here. It's
got a bad reputation for no reason. So while they're
canoeing and everything, there's this splash that happens in front

(26:42):
of them, and they're like, what the hell is that?
And they look and they see this bottle jar thing
bobbing in the water. So they get the paddle and
they pull it in and they open it up and
there's a piece of paper in there and they can
tell something's written on it, but it's all wet, so they.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Go to shore. They lay it out on a rock.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It dries a bit and they start reading it. And
it's a letter written by Silas Remick. And in the letter,
Silas says that when he was apprehended, he immediately passed
out and he woke up and he was encased and
closed in this room, and his breathing was labored, and

(27:22):
his body felt really weird. And then he realized he
was underwater, and he was like in a jail cell underwater,
and it's got a window and he's looking at it
and he sees hundreds of these frog people and it's
like they're living in their own metropolis underwater, you know,
and business is going on, and he's, you know, stuck

(27:45):
in this jail. Next thing he knows, the door opens.
Two of them come in. They bring him somewhere. Anytime
they interact with him, he passes out. It's like they
do something to him, so he's not aware, and they've
also done something to him. So he can breathe underwater.
So they take him places a lot of the times,

(28:06):
and he said sometimes when he has some slight awareness,
he can see a brightness above him, and he thinks
that's when he's getting closer to the surface. So he
had the idea to write this letter and to let
the bottle go when he can see light. So he does,
and it's the whole story I just told you. And

(28:31):
they are assuming that they were actively moving silas at
this time when they heard the splash and this jar
came up. The story's a bit more involved than that,
but that's the short version, if you can believe it,
of the frog people of Maine, and I just found
it fascinating.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I've never heard of that, and
anyone I've ever run with, you know, the frogmen are like, Ohio,
the Loveland Frogmen, right, But that's that's wild.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
That kind of reminds me of, you know, hearing about
you know, being from from a lot, hearing about dog
man stories not too far from where I live. That
happened around the turn of the twentieth century out near
I think it's there's some lumberjacks were out near Lake Groten,

(29:29):
Gronton Lake some somewhere around it's now like a state park,
and one of them ran into a dog man and
he like went missing in the woods for a couple
of days. I guess it came out and he's like,
I saw this like werewolf creature.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
It's like, yeah, it's just super interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's was that story. You
know more, do you think kind of like a work
of fiction or folklore? Do you think it was based
on any true accounts.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Or that's a good question, And I've thought a lot
about that. And I couldn't find the names of the
New Yorker and the manor in any other records, so
that kind of tends to lead towards Lare. However, there
was a first and last name, which kind of lends
towards maybe there's something to it.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Now.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
The way it's written, I know, the way I told
it kind of sounds like Lare, But the way it's
written really sounds like a true account. And again it
sticks out like a thors a sore thumb amongst these
poems and these other obvious stories of lore from Maine.
So really, I don't know why this strange story is

(30:54):
kind of like stuck in the middle of this like
nineteen oh four book, you know. And it kind of
had a little bit of a modern title compared to
the other things. The other titles and the other stories
and poems in the book is a lot more pros
than than you know, like a non fiction story. But
this very much reads like a nonfiction story juxtaposed to

(31:17):
all the pros in the book.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's it's interesting, yeah, yeah, and you know it kind
of makes me think, you know, uh, with all the
talk recently about you know, the aliens are from the oceans,
and there's that story of like by call in Russia
with the humanoid underwater entities that like scientists divers encountered

(31:40):
in all of that, so you know, it's like, is
there is there a connection? And yeah, maybe you know
a frog like head could be equated to your classic
gray alien, you know, big eyes, smooth skin that looks
almost amphibious a little bit.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, and who knows.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Much like me at five years old seeing a lightning
bolt stuck in a cloud, Like that's how my young
mind perceived because I didn't have anything else to compare
it to, you know, so you know, was I actually
seen a crap? So you know, use that same logic
with the silas and that's just the nearest thing he
could compare it to, you know, like you said, with

(32:24):
the big eyes and stuff like.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Oh they look like frog people, right, yeah? Interesting?

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah for sure. Why do you think? Oh, I'm sorry,
you need to cut you off there.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I was gonna ask, you know, I mean, it seems
like there's a lot of a lot of activity in Maine.
Do you have any ideas or theories as to, you know,
why Maine seems to be kind of a hotspot for
a lot of this activity, UAPs, humanoids, whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
You know. I think, I actually don't think main is
very special. I think if there was somebody like me
in New Hampshire, which I'm sure there is and I
probably know them, I'm just not thinking right now, but
and somebody or like you're the one in Vermont, and
you know, there's for every state, there's somebody and they
know all the strange stories. So when you say them

(33:18):
all together, it's like your state sounds like a hotspot.
And you know, I think every state probably has that,
you know, And so I really don't think for special. Hey,
I just pay attention a lot, and I am digging
and digging and digging for stories, you know, all the time.
Case in point, this other story is from nineteen sixty five,

(33:40):
and I didn't find it until twenty twenty three and
I've been doing UFO research. I'm on newspapers dot com
all the time, you know, and this story comes across
about this incident that happened at a school in Maine.
And again this is nineteen sixty five. During the day,
during class, there's this young kid, he's like ten twelve

(34:03):
years old. His name's Paul, and the teacher is in
the middle of a lesson and Paul starts to hear
this beeping sound coming from outside, and he's like, what
the hell's that, and he kind of gets obsessed with it,
so he just gets up in the middle of class
during a lesson and walks to the window and he
can see this black dot out in the sky and

(34:26):
he like audibly gasps, and all the other kids are like,
what the hell is Paul doing and what's he gasping at,
you know, And the teacher's like, oh no. So all
the kids get up, they walk to the window. The
teachers like behind them, and they can see this black dot.
They're all here in the beeping now and they're seeing
this black dot and it's getting bigger and bigger. And

(34:47):
what's happening is it's getting closer and as it gets
close enough, they can see that it's actually this silver
oval thing with a black bottom, and the silver thing
had this antenna sticking out of the front of it,
and it had this light on top, and the light
was blinking, and every time the light blinked, there was

(35:08):
a beeping sound. So this thing gets so close to
the school. They're on the second floor, and it literally
flies by the window and it's descending and as it's
doing this, and it appears to land behind a house
that's near the school. So the kids are freaking out.
The teacher's like, what did I just see? So she

(35:29):
goes and gets the principal. She tells the principle what
just happened. The Principle's like, all right, sequester the kids,
like literally put them in individual rooms. I want to
talk to everybody, and I don't want them talking to
each other. So he talks to every kid basically interviews them,
what did you see?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Blah blah blah, and it's basically the story I told you.
So he calls the newspaper, the local paper, and he asks, hey,
has there been any UFOs or strange things? And the
sky reported and then or the paper goes, uh, yeah,
that's really strange that you call. In the town of Oakland,
which is literally the next town away from where this happened,

(36:11):
there was a railroad worker outside and he heard a
beeping sound, so he looked up and he saw this
black dot fly horror. A couple of minutes later heard
more beating a little bit louder, and he saw a
bigger black dot. Apparently this happened like fifteen times, and
every time he looked up it was getting bigger and bigger,
the beeping louder and louder, and he said, underneath of

(36:33):
it looked like a tea cup. And that's basically his story.
So the reporter said, can I come to the school
and talk to the kids? And the principal said yeah.
So the reporter comes and the principal had I think
four or six of the kids that could tell the
best version of the story ready for the reporter. They

(36:55):
told them the story and then the reporter asked them
to draw what the UFO looked like. So they did
so on the chalkboard and there's like four kids that
have their picture next to the chalkboard drawing of their UFO,
and it made it into the paper the following day
and the stories what I just told you that was
in the paper. Now, this story went nowhere. It immediately

(37:19):
died that day. It felt like there was no follow ups,
the police never got involved. There's nothing moved on related
to it, which would be the closest thing during that timeframe.
You know, there are you know, the Center for UFO
studies none of it, and I cap none of it.
So it's just this piece of unexplained story in this

(37:41):
local newspaper from Maine. Now, an article right next to
that UFO article was a meteor article, and I feel
like that was put there on purpose, and people had
reported seeing a lot of meteors, there was a meteor shower,
and they talked to like the university person who knows

(38:01):
about that stuff, you know, the science teacher over there, professor,
and so they had some quotes from him about the
media or is nothing about the UFOs. But in my opinion,
what might have happened was they read the UFO story
the meteor stories right next to it, and the townspeople
are like, oh, that's what the kids saw, which obviously

(38:21):
makes no sense. But I just don't get why it died,
Why it went nowhere and I didn't uncover it, you know,
for you know, forty plus years later. It's so strange.
It's literally not anywhere. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah yeah, I mean I've never heard of that story,
and it's funny you talk about all the kids, you know,
seeing it and then drawing it on the chalkboard. It
reminds me a lot of like the the aerial school
case Babwe.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I think the first thing I said when I found
that to myself was, oh my god, there's an aerial
school that happened here.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
This is amazing.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I also wonder, you know, the principal separating all the
kids and interviewing them, you know, would he have tried
to contact the authorities or or something and maybe there
you know, I mean it sounds like there was a
cover up.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Maybe so maybe so yeah, yeah he I mean, everybody's
names was used, which is amazing. And I reached out
to the Paul witness who it might have been him.
You know, I obviously don't know if it was, but
I never got a response back, which is too bad.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
But but you know.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
The principal teacher had since passed away, you know, so
I couldn't I couldn't talk to them. But yeah, it's
just it's so strange to me how it just it
came out in the paper. There was no follow up.
I looked, you know, weeks after, and there was just nothing.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah. Yeah, that is very strange, and.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Where the principle was so proactive, like you were saying,
he's just so proactive, and then it just dies, you know,
so they're probably like, you know stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, I wonder if you know, it's if there was
any kind of men in black encounter, maybe they came
by and were like, hey, don't don't talk about this
or else, those you know, famous cases of you know,
men in black encounters, which I'm pretty sure I did
an episode on men in black long, like very early

(40:32):
on in this podcast, and I'm pretty sure one of
the major cases that I looked into happened in Maine.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
It does.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, yeah, doctor Herbert Hopkins in Older or Kings, right,
I mean, And I think and that's a really interesting story,
like the full story of it. Most people familiar with
the upology know the initial story, and I'll just tell
that really quick.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
H Hopkins.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Hopkins gets a phone call from somebody claiming to be
from like the New Jersey UFO, you know, organization which
didn't exist. And they said, hey, we want to talk
to you about the David Stevens case, which was the
case he was working on at that time, and we
want to talk to you about it. And he was like, sure, okay,
when you know, when do you want to do this?

(41:21):
And they're like right now, and so the person just
oddly hangs up the phone and next thing you know,
he sees somebody walking up his porch steps. And this
is nineteen seventy six and main the closest payphone was
like downtown, you know, and the doctor was a few
miles away.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
So it's like, how the hell did this?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
What?

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
So he turns on the porch light and this stranger
knocks on his door, and Hopkins is like this is normal,
and like opens the door, lets the guy in, and
he just really feels compelled to It's almost like Jedi
mind trick that's happening to him. And the gentleman gets
inside and he looks really strange, you know, the class
men in black, the alien version of men in black,

(42:02):
not like the government version of men in black, but
you know, devoid of hair, you know, wearing all black,
acting really strange, acting robotic. At one point, he wipes
his he wipes his mouth and a redness comes on
his hands, like he was wearing lipstick or something. So
he proceeds to basically threaten Hopkins about the David Stevens case,

(42:24):
which was a very famous abduction case that happened just
the year prior, and Hopkins was hypnotizing this David Stevens
kid and getting a bunch of information about his abduction.
And he threatened him and told him, you're not going
to do that anymore. And he's like, in your pocket,
there's two coins. There's a penny and you know, a

(42:44):
dime or whatever it was, and pull one of them out.
So he does, and it's the penny. And he goes,
watch the penny, or it might have been a nickel,
but anyways, watch the coin, and so Hopkins does, and
it gets fuzzy and blurry, and then it disappears from
his hand, and the man in black says, no one

(43:06):
is ever going to see that coin again, and he goes,
that's what happened to Barney Hill's heart, and that's what
will happen to you if you don't stop this. Of course,
we know now that Barney Hill's heart was in fact
still in his body because there was an autopsy and
all that stuff, So that was just a veiled threat.
But the parlor trick thing worked on Hopkins and it

(43:27):
scared him, and so the gentleman eventually excused himself and left,
and he actually kind of seemed run down, like a robot,
and he leaves, and Hopkins is scared, so he destroys
all of his stuff having to do with the David
Stevens case. And then his family comes home because they
had went and watched a movie. They come home and
they're like, why are all the lights on? Why is

(43:49):
the gun out? Like what's happening? And so he tells
them what happened, and he was really scared. That's the
initial story. That's what's in the timeline. That's what's in
you know, if there's a segment on men in Black,
that's the story they tell. But it goes on longer.
A few weeks later, they were visited by these two

(44:10):
other strange men and black people, and they acted just
as weird as this other guy was. A man and woman,
and at some point during the conversation the man men
in black was referring to his female woman in black
and was like, is this how you like fondle women?
Is this how it works? And was like starting to
touch the female and they're like, whoa, no, this isn't

(44:33):
what you do in public, and he's like, oh okay,
and like stops. And there was just such a lot
of weird things like that. So anyways, that ends.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
They leave. Now.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
During this whole time, there was a nephew that was
visiting Herbert Hopkins and his name was Howard Hopkins. And
Howard was a teenager at the time, and he was
staying with the Hopkins family during the summer when this happened,
and he says, it's all bs. He's like Herbert Hopkins,

(45:07):
who was a doctor. He was a well respected doctor
in town. He was also a drunk and really liked
writing sci fi pulp stories and this is just a
story that he came up with. Now, by the time
I got my hands on that part of the story,
Howard had passed away. And he passed away kind of out,
and I think he was under sixty. But his widow

(45:30):
was still alive, so I contacted her and I talked
to her about Herbert and Howard and this discrepancy and stuff.
And she says, Howard, her husband, who has since passed,
is the only person in the family that didn't believe
Herbert the doctor. Everybody else believes him, that the men

(45:51):
in black did visit, including herself, and she's like, you
can put that in your book if you want, you know, like,
I love him dearly, still do to this day, but
I believe Herbert and not my husband. So you know,
that's the again shortened version, but elongated version of the
Herbert Hopkins case. And you know, I'm the only person

(46:14):
that has put this hoax piece of it into my books,
so it's kind of out there for people to find.
You know, there hasn't been you know, any backlash or
really anybody following up on it. I still only ever
hear that first part, but there's this whole other thing
that happened with you know, a potential hoax, and I
just think it's fascinating and you know, my personal beliefs aside.

(46:39):
You got to include that piece of it, you know in.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
My right Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's super interesting to
hear the you know, the extended version of that story.
And yeah, it certainly is important to include all angles
and you know, just so people get the whole the
whole story.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, you know, and I'd like to present stuff as
unbiasedly as possible. You know, I do have a soft
spot for some of the main stories where I really
do believe it actually happened. But again, I try to
be as unbiased as possible and let the story speak
for itself, because it's not about me and you know,
my beliefs. It's it's it's the story.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Have there ever been any cases or sightings in your work,
your travels that kind of you know, shocked or challenged
your you know, assumptions or understanding of stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, there's this one story. I don't know why it
sticks with me, and maybe you can tell me after
I tell it, but it's a short story. It's really strange.
It's very recent. I think it was like twenty eighteen.
I don't know why it sticks with me so much.
But there's this woman. It's o'clock. It's like during the summer,
so it's still kind of light out, and she's outside

(48:05):
on the phone, I think, talking to her father. Her
boyfriend's inside the house somewhere, and her dog is like
with her outside. So she's having this conversation and she
notices that the dog is like staring straight at something,
and she's like, what the hell's wrong with you? And
then it like she starts to hear this like guttural
like growl coming from its chest, but it's not like

(48:28):
on the surface yet, and she's like, what is happening?
What are you looking at? And so she follows his
gaze and she sees this alien classically described gray alien,
but one of the tall ones, crouched down next to
a tree, and it's looking directly at the dog, and

(48:49):
the dog is looking directly at it. And so now
and the woman's like, uh, I got to call you back.
So like she gets off the phone. She's like, oh
my god, what's happening. And her actions at that point,
I think triggered something in the dog, like it's okay
for you to like go after this thing now. So
the alien immediately stands up. The dog goes after it,

(49:13):
and it's barking, like just vicious barking at this alien.
And the alien starts running away. And she said, when
it stood up, it was like seven feet tall. And
as it's running, it starts disappearing and it starts disappearing
from the feet up, so at one point she's seeing
just a torso running and it keeps looking back at
the dog, and then keeps running and continues to disappear

(49:37):
until it's completely gone. The dog stops rating his tracks
once it disappears, but he's continuing to bark, bark, bark,
and she's like, what the hell just happened? And so
she goes inside. She tells her boyfriend. They go outside
to see if there's any like footprints or anything to
you know, show that it had been there. They don't
see anything, but that's the story. And it's just freaking weird,

(50:00):
and you know, an alien in midstride, you know, like
cloaking itself or whatever the hell happened. I don't know,
but it's stuck with me, and it's it's creepy, and
it's got this weird, like Twilight Zone vibe to it.
You know, I'm just picturing. It's just a summer evening.
I'm sure it's nice out. She's outside, it's warm, talking

(50:22):
with her dad on the phone. The dog's just chilling.
Then all of a sudden, the strangest thing the world happens,
and it disrupts everything.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Her follow up was not more to the story, but
just I constantly think about this. I close my eyes
and I see it, like it still freaks her out.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, I mean, you know, reality breaking event, you know,
like what was what was the alien doing there? Was
it there to observe? Was it going to abduct them?
Could it have been a pale crawler? I mean things
are said to be like seven feet tall and they
like skulk around sometimes in neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And they kind of look like aliens. I mean, yeah,
I get to tell you the Dover Demon. I feel
like that was one of the earliest pale crawlers you
know stories, and for some reason, it's very short, but
it still reads and sounds like.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
A pale crawler.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
But you know, yeah, crazy, it really does. Yeah yeah,
yeah for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, no, it's uh these that is that story gave
me the he b gbis for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, it sticks with.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Me, like it just it caught me off guard, Like
I'm reading the original report and I'm like, geez, I'm
I'm scared. But you know, I got to talk to
this lady, you know, and yeah, just it's a creepy
little story. But again, it's super short. It's in the
middle of like a longer story that I'm telling. But

(51:51):
I'm like, yo, check this out really quick, you know,
and yeah, you know, and it just kind of comes
in and punches you.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
And yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
So I think that's one of the creepiest, you know,
genre of bending ones, you know, because it's very sci
fi and she's seen this with her own eyes and
I just can't even imagine, you know, I can only
relate it to watching a movie, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, I know, and seeing the thing, I can only
assume it was cloaking, if the dog was still sensing
its presence, it was still there.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
There's I mean, certainly been sightings like the Meskonikon I'm
totally mispronouncing that, but the Mantis Man of New Jersey,
like the mantis being in this river and it just
like cloaked and disappeared. So it's like, yeah, you know,
any yeah, technology that's advanced enough looks like magic, right.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now you mentioned Mantis Man. Reminds me
that we have an insect like story here, and that's
another show. Oh yeah, so I talked to this wonderful,
wonderful family. It's it's a family that came together and
it's adopted children, and it's just it's just this house

(53:10):
full of love. And there's these three kids and they're
still very young, but I think this was just like
two years ago when I interviewed them all. But the kid,
one of the kids.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
He was a boy or is a boy.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
He's sitting with his mom one day and he was like, Mom,
something really strange happened yesterday. And she's like, what, you know,
because she's like I spent the whole frigging day with him,
like what the hell happened? But apparently it was during
like nap time, and he goes, a really big bug

(53:46):
came into the bedroom and picked me up, bit me
on the inside of my stomach, and then put me
back down and left. And she's like what, And so
he kind kind of tells her the story again and
she's trying to ask some questions, and you know, with
their initial encounter. Now I'm there hearing this and I'm

(54:07):
throwing a bunch of questions at her, and the more,
you know, the little bit longer portion of that story
is this thing picked him up and he doesn't really
remember what happened. He just remembers being picked up. There's
a little bit of pain in his belly, and so
he kind of thought that was a bite. And then
this thing put him back. And this was the middle

(54:30):
of the day, and he said that when the thing
left his room, it was walking backwards out of the room,
which is creepy in its own way, And it got
to the threshold of the door, turned around, went into
the hallway, looked back one more time, and then went
down the stairs. So she started showing him this picture

(54:53):
book of insects, you know, on like what it looked like,
you know, type of thing, and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. And the closest thing that she found was
a large aunt. But that's basically the story. So fast
forward like a month, completely unrelated. I've got some really

(55:13):
bad tires. I just failed inspection on my car. But
I know in the same town that these people happen
to live in, which is like twenty five minutes from me,
in the same town, there's a discount tire place. It's
the closest one, you know. I would have had to
have gone like an hour and a half longer. So
I go to this guy's place about a month later,
not even thinking about any of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
And he's putting, you.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Know, new tires on my car and I'm sitting and
he's got mechanics that do it. And he's sitting in
the room and you sit in the room with him.
That's the waiting room, like his office, and the waiting
room is the same room, right, And he's like, so
what do you do.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
I'm like, here we go. I'm a writer. Oh what
are you write?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
And I tell him nonfiction books about the UFO phenomena.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Really, I got a story for it.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I'm like, oh, I love it when that happens.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
So he lives down the road, not even a mile
from these people, and he goes I'm outside, it's like
five o'clock in the morning. I'm having my coffee and
I'm just tinkering around in the garage and the door's
wide open, and I start to hear like motorcycles or something,
but it's coming from a weird direction. It's coming from
the field behind my house, and there's no trail there

(56:26):
or anything where there should be something motorized. So he
steps out of the garage and he's got his coffee,
and he's hearing it get closer and closer, so finally
it comes into view, and he says, he sees these
two insect like beans riding these hover motorcycles. You know,

(56:47):
I'm picturing it right out of Star Wars, you know
what I mean. And they hum right by, they pay
him no mind, and they're thirty feet away from him,
and he sees both of them go by their full size,
you know, five six foot tall things sitting on these
hovering motorcycle things, and they go right by them. And
this is a manor like like you saying, a Vermont

(57:10):
or like, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
It's a local, older fella.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
You know, he's probably seventy something, and you know he's
got country music on the whole time in his office
waiting room thing, and you know, I hear him take
phone call after phone call of people ordering tires. This
isn't a guy that seems to make stuff like that up.
There's no books or posters or anything indicating that he's

(57:36):
really into sci fi movies or anything.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Such a random, weird story. And it happened literally less
than a mile from where this kid said he was
taken by an insect like being. I was like, oh
my god, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's very interesting, especially since you know this
is just a random person that you were, you know,
giving your business too, of course, getting some tires and
then he unrelated doesn't know that you've looked into this,
this other encounter story. That's uh, there's something there for sure. Yeah,

(58:14):
ant people, Yeah, wow, that's crazy. That just reminded me.
Did you see the uh the thing the other day.
There's some company that actually made like hover bikes, so
there's gonna be like hover bikes. Yeah, no, that's uh
everyone everyone's all excited about him. But yeah, it's uh

(58:37):
wild wild times we live in sure.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah, yeah, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
What do you think these entities are?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I mean, obviously there's there's so many different options, but
you know, what do you lean towards?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
You know, which you remember the way the wind blows
on any given week. You know, my opinion changes as
I get more information. In my opinion can change as
information like changes or alters, or can go completely backwards.
I'm like, oh, okay, well maybe it is this or
blah blah blah. So I don't have any answers, but

(59:12):
what I lean towards, at least right now, is probably
like interdimensional. I'm kind of obsessed with that right now.
It's very fascinating to me, and I guess that kind
of also falls into ultraterrestrial, at least the Keel version
of alterraterrestrial. And so I think it's coming from within
or not necessarily another planet within the Solar System, but

(59:38):
in a different reality that either mirrors ares or you know,
all realities are infinite, you know, depending on what theories.
But I kind of mix all those theories up in
my head because I'm not very smart, and I think
at least right now, that it's probably interdimensional, not from
our dimension, but they can come here for whatever reason,
they figured that out wherever they are, and they can

(01:00:01):
walk into other dimensions. And I think that's a good
possibility for Bigfoot and some other cryptids. You know. Yeah,
for a long time, I was very Bigfoot's flush and blood.
You know, it's an animal, you know, and God love
those people too. Like it's not like I, you know,
bash anybody that does believe that, because the next thing

(01:00:22):
might happen. And I'm back to thinking that way, you
know what I mean, But just from the stories that
I know, especially like the Stan Gordon stuff, Like after
just yeah, all the reports that Stan Gordon has, I'm like, okay,
this is an interdimensional being of some sort. You know,
there's just so many UFO reports and you know, it
steps out of a light, it steps out of nowhere,

(01:00:42):
and it's there, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
So yeah, yeah, think and stuff like that, mind speak
and yeah all that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, So that's a long winded answer. So it is
I think their interdimensional is my official answer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's certainly the conversation about the
the inter dimensionality of this phenomenon seems to be gaining
a lot of traction recently, especially with you know, like
the congressional hearings and stuff, that that term has been

(01:01:21):
thrown around a little bit and it's being explored. I'm
pretty sure even like Tom DeLong from Blink one eighty
two is kind of promoting or subscribing to that theory.
He's got that you know quote that he says. You know,
I stayed, I couldn't sleep for like three days when
I found out all this information, and it seemed to

(01:01:42):
imply that like, whatever this is is around us at
all times. Like we can't even see it. And you know,
it makes a lot of sense if there's different dimensions
beyond our you know, our physical reality, which seems to
be like there very well could be, especially with all
the sightings out there that you know, that could be

(01:02:04):
what we're looking at. I mean, maybe there's also time
travelers and ets from other planets.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
But what I love is I do love that theory.
There's I won't get into the whole story, but there's
a story about a girl in the nineteen sixties, a
little girl who this craft. You know, she's out in
this field and this craft just lands like twenty feet
from her, and she's like, well, this is strange, but
she's not scared because she doesn't know what the hell
UFOs or aliens are, and so she's like, this is weird.

(01:02:29):
And there's a window and a little head pops out,
you know, in front of the window, and she says,
it looks like one of daddy's friends. Like they looked
very nice, and they were wearing a helmet, so they
took it off and they started talking, but she couldn't
hear them because they were inside the craft. And he
smiled really big, and then took off, you know, and
to me that sounds like, you know, military or that

(01:02:51):
you know, they were working on something and that was
you know, a test flight or time traveler. You know,
it's just us from the future type of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
It kind of makes me think of injured cold a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah yeah, big smile.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah, but you know, not scared to the girl, but
at least how she described it was quite quaint, you know,
like it looked like that it made her feel.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Good, right, yeah, geez.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I mean there's so many stories and you're an absolute
encyclopedia on these stories. I love it. I love it.
Yeah yeah, yeah, through I mean throughout like all your
years on this. I mean it's it's it's great that
you know, you're you've put out so much and and

(01:03:39):
you're reaching out to people and finding out the stories
firsthand instead of you know, looking at some Wikipedia article yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
And out there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
And if I can't talk to the person, which does
happen a lot, and that sucks, but I do try
to find at least like the original newspaper or something like,
I need to look at at something more original than
just you know, something like you said on Wikipedia or whatever.
I got to find like the original source, so you know,
there might be more information there that wasn't included in

(01:04:12):
this summarization.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
So you know, it really helps hone your researching skills.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I first published UFOs over Main in twenty fourteen, but
I started writing the book six seven years before that,
because again I'm an idiot, and it takes me a
long time to you know, I don't have to write
a book, you know, especially during that time. So that
took a while. And so ten years after publishing that,
which was through a traditional publisher, ten years later in

(01:04:42):
twenty twenty four just last year, I finally put out
the book I wanted to put out in twenty fourteen,
and it's UFOs over Main tenth anniversary edition. The first
book it was like one hundred and thirty pages and
you know, fifteen encounters, and this new book is over
four hundred pages and almost four hundred count and I
completely dismantled that first book and rewrote it from the

(01:05:04):
ground up and reinterviewed people and found hundreds of new stories.
And you know, so ten years on or you know,
eighteen years on from when I first started that first
manuscript all those years ago. You just learned so much
after each project, after each person you talk to, you know,
And I just get so excited with all these stories,

(01:05:25):
and I just I want people to know that strange
things are happening right around you, and your neighbor might
be the person I just interviewed, you know, And I
don't know it just I just think these stories deserve
some shine and if I can get them out there,
you know, I'm trying my best, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yeah, well you're you're certainly doing a fantastic job of it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Out of your body of work, what's been your what's
been your favorite thing that you've you've worked on so far?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
You know, probably the latest thing, you know, because it's
always my favorite thing. But I think the thing that
impacted me the most was working with Mike Stevens. I
brought him up earlier. This is a gentleman. I wrote
the book about. All My other books are like a
collection of stories from hundreds of people. This book was
all about Mike, and it's basically an autobiography.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
About Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
And he's had a lifetime of encounters from a young age,
just like me and they're still happening to this day
and the gentleman. I think he's forty four now and
he's still having encounters.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
And I finished the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Book when he was forty, so it's from infant to
forty this book. And I had numerous long form interviews
with Mike, and there were times where we were crying together,
and because of how traumatic these stories were to him,
that this wasn't a fun thing for It's still not.

(01:07:00):
It's still very scary. There are some things he's come
to accept more and he feels better about it going forward.
But he was in a real dark place for a
time where suicide might have made more sense than continuing
on and getting to know him that intimately. While I
cannot ever compare what it's like being in war, you know,

(01:07:23):
an actual war, it felt like he and I were
like went through the trenches together, and you know, so
it created this bond with us where you know, we're
obviously friends, but he lives in New Hampshire. I live here,
so we don't talk all the time. But you know,
we're not the best of friends where we hang out
all the time or anything. But we went through this

(01:07:45):
thing together and it bonded us for life, and I
just I love him. I love him as a person,
you know, and he loves me. And that was just
the most impactful to be able to tell this crazy
story about his life with all of these different encounters,
and then for him to be so raw and so
honest to be like and this is how it affected
me mentally. That a parallel story but definitely not as

(01:08:10):
significant as his, was my own mental health journey that
is a part of this book too, and how we're
so similar, but again the catalysts are different, you know.
But anyways, long story longer, it bonded us and it's
you know, to this day, it's still very meaningful and
I'm very proud of that book. And you know, the

(01:08:30):
first chapter is actually really kind of tough to get through.
It's about infancy and this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
He was blue for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
What but he was blue for a while, Like they
had to take him to the doctor and everything. But anyways,
there's what I try to do is present here's all
the scientific stuff that it can be, and then here's
all this other worldly stuff it can be. Here they
both are you decide, you know, and so why it's
a little hard to get through is that there's a
lot of things like nit traits from the water. You know,

(01:09:00):
that his mother's drinking and then breastfeeding him, and you know,
so it gets into a lot of you know, mumbo
jumble like that. That's a little textbook be to get through.
And I don't I typically write how I talk, you know,
but once you get past that first chapter, you then
fall in love with Mike as a person, in my opinion,
and yeah, that was just an amazing experience to go through.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Yeah yeah, wow, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I mean certainly, you know, forming a strong connection with
someone and then you know, going through all that chronicling
his experiences. I mean, that's you know, a profound experience.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah sure, and that was my life for a year
and a half, you know, so it just yeah, it
sticks with you, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Well I'm curious about you know, what, what do you
What's what's on the horizon for you? Do you have
any new books that you're working on or.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I am I am.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff out there that I
have my hands in. But the two actual things I
can talk about is I love just writing in general,
and I've been writing since I was a kid, and
I started writing short horror fiction. And so I have

(01:10:22):
one book of short horror fiction that's out there, but
I'm working on a new one now and it's called
Darkness Knows Our Names, and it's just a collection of
short horror stories. And so that's just always fun to write.
And it's so I love going from writing a book
like Humanoid Encounters or UFOs over main where it's so

(01:10:43):
fact based and you have to get all of your
citations right. I want to make sure I don't leave
anything out, and you have to tell a fact based story,
you can't just make stuff up, and then going to
short horror fiction, I'm like, oh, yeah, these are really
easy to write compared to this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Geez, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
And I'm busting out stories, you know, one or two,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah, that's right. This
is super fun and a lot easier to write than
like nonfiction. So that's that's, you know, a year or
two out. And also at the same time, I'm working
on another book of strange stories from Maine. But it's
it's all encompassing. It's not just a ghost or UFO

(01:11:19):
or humanoid book. There's also true crime. It includes like
all of the stuff, you know. So there's this weird
story from the late eighteen hundreds about a woman being
found in a tree and she was alive. How the
hell is she get up there? She didn't know to
the stay she doesn't know, I mean, she's not alive anymore.
But it's never been figured out, you know. So it's

(01:11:40):
a bunch of stories like like that, just strange, strange stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
So I'm working on right now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Very cool, very cool. Well, those would be great when
they come out, for sure, for sure. Yeah, what one
final question before we wrap up here. You know, we've
been talking a lot about aliens and UFOs and that
kind of thing, But what's your what's your favorite cryptid
from Maine?

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Favorite cryptid from Maine. That's a good question. I think
I'm gonna have to go with pale Crawlers. We have
a few pretty creepy stories about about pale crawlers, and
I think that's my favorite right now. I've got a
pretty intense dog man story that I like, but yeah,
I think right now, anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
It's it's pale pale Crawlers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I did see my own weird stick figure thing in
twenty twenty. You know, so that's just like a personal favorite,
but generally speaking, I think pale crawlers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's there's certainly one of the creepiest ones
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Well, hey, this has been a lot of fun, Omar,
can you share, uh, you know, where to my listeners
where they can find you and all of your your
your books online and what have you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
So I have my own online store, so if you
buy something from there, I'll autograph it. You'll get a bookmark,
and that's slevicstore, dot company, dot site. That's too much
to remember. Just google my name no Mar Slavic sl
e v I K. And it's such a unique name.
Just all of my stuff will come up and just
follow whatever links you find. You'll see all my links.
You'll see me on Amazon, you know, all that good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Great, awesome, Well we'll have to do this again sometime.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
And this has been a pleasure, sir, Yeah, thank you
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
All right, thanks again to no Mar Slavic for coming
onto the show and hanging out. This was a really
fun conversation and I hope that you take the time
to check out his books and all of his work.
Those of course will be linked in the show notes
as always, But anyway, thank you so much again for

(01:14:01):
listening to the show. Hanging out with me today Again,
my name's Jeff, and of course this is the Strange
Ology podcast. Now, before we get to any of the
end of the show announcements and all that, thank you
for bearing with me for the past couple of weeks.
I went out, as you know, to Contact in the

(01:14:22):
Desert out in Indian Wells, California, and I have to
say it was probably one of the more interesting and
wild trips that I've taken for the podcast, maybe even
the most actually if I'm being honest, and it was
a six day well turned into seven day thing. I'm

(01:14:45):
just gonna do a quick recap here. I got into
town on let's see Wednesday, and friend of the show,
support of the show, good buddy Easton Hawk, came out
met me there, grabbed me from the Palm Springs Airport,
and we headed to the Renaissance Esmrelda Resort, where Contact

(01:15:07):
in the Desert has been hosted at for the past
several years. I think the first time I ever went
to Contact, they were telling me that it was the
back in twenty eighteen that was the first year they
did it, so they've been there for quite a while.
So we got settled in. On Wednesday. Thursday, our mutual

(01:15:27):
friend Mikey Leisner from The Strange Road came out. He
knows Bill Homan, the Crystal Skulls guy who I just
did an episode with a few well, I guess it's
probably about a month back now at this point, and
he was helping him out with some video stuff, and
he was like, Hey, let's like all hang out and

(01:15:50):
you know, make this a cool trip. We wound up
on Thursday, after getting all of our badges and everything,
we drove out to Joshua Tree National Park, drove.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Through the whole thing and it was a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Of really pretty scenery, super fun, super nice being out
in the desert.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Of course, I love it out there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
And we wound up just kind of doing a big
loop over the course of the afternoon. Came back and
then there was this dinner and there was a private
party with speakers and guests and stuff. So we went
up into this private room event upstairs, which was super interesting.

(01:16:31):
You're in there bumping elbows with people that are on
you know, all these these shows and these podcasts, and
all very well known people. Got to meet Ryan Wood,
who was the last episode in person, as well as
Nick Pope was in there, James Fox was in there.

(01:16:52):
It was just, you know, kind of a fly on
the wall situation type of thing. And then the rest.
So the weekend was full of new interviews and just
checking out different different speakers. Get to sit in on
the Josh Gates keynote presentation, which was super fun to

(01:17:14):
see that live and in person. Yeah, so Friday Saturday,
that was just full of interviews and checking things out.
I got to give huge kudos to Mikey for helping
out with setup for my interviews in the designated media
room area. He had a nice camcorder and so I've

(01:17:40):
got some good video for a number of the interviews
I have coming up for the show, and that's gonna
be awesome. Friday afternoon, I also got to do an
introduction for Jason Martel, which was really quite wild. I
probably spent half of the morning rehearsing the thirty seconds
I was going to say because it was a little

(01:18:02):
it was the first time I'd ever done anything like that,
so I was a little bit nervous, but he shook
my hand as I was getting off the stage and
I was like, hey man, that was really awesome and
I was like, whoa, So you know, human moment, right.
And then for Sunday we did the live podcast and

(01:18:22):
that was super fun. I got to speak with Katie
Page of UAP Studies podcast and the Rocky Mountain Research Group,
and that episode is going to be posted in sometime
this summer.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I have a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Like I said, I did a number of interviews, so
I've got pretty much the whole summer schedule is full,
and so I've got my work cut out for me
with all the editing and everything. So a lot of
good stuff coming, so definitely stay tuned for all of that.
And then the last day of the event, Monday, I
gave my very first lecture presentation and it was a

(01:19:10):
lot more people than I was expecting to show up,
but you know, I think I did pretty well and
I had a few people asking questions and some people
coming up after saying oh, that was a really great job.
So thank you if you're listening to the show, thank
you for coming and checking out the presentation. And if

(01:19:30):
you weren't there, it was a presentation on the ultraterrestrial
theory and also tying in cryptids like Bigfoot and Mothman
to UFOs, and I went over some major case studies
like chestnut Ridge, Mothman of course, and a few other things.

(01:19:50):
I'll probably turn that into an episode. At some point,
I had to cut short a lot of stuff. I
had ninety minutes to do that, and I wound up,
I think cutting my presentation in half actually to fit
it into the ninety minutes that I was allotted. Actually
it was more like eighty minutes, and I allowed for

(01:20:11):
some question time. But yeah, it was a lot of fun.
So overall, Contact in the Desert was super fun time
and I'm hoping to do it again next year. And yeah,
thank you so much anyone who's listening who checked out
my live podcast or checked out my lecture or came
to the table and said hello, it was a super

(01:20:32):
fun time. I would say that probably one of the
more wild connections I made was Gino from The Wi Files.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
He's AJ's older.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Brother, producer of the show, and he came up to
the table while I was hanging out for a little
bit during some downtime with Easton, and he was like, hey, man,
I love your stuff. It's a really big inspiration for
what we do at the WYI Files. So that was
kind of a holy crap moment for me. So hopefully
some collabse will come out of that, And yeah, we're

(01:21:03):
gonna twenty twenty five has turned into a pretty interesting,
interesting year for the show, and I think moving forward
and we're going to see.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Some really cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
So that's contact in the Desert in a nutshell.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
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that I can create for everyone out there, and to

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those members out there, you know who you are. I
love you so much and thank you for your continued support.
All of this help and support helps me out so
much and helps keep the lights on here at strange
Ology HQ. Again, that's Patreon dot com for slash Strangeology.
And speaking of merch, don't forget to check out my

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shop over at strangeology dot etsy dot com if you're
looking to pick up some forty in gear. I've got
designs on T shirts, tank tops. Hey, with summer here,
you need a tank top for sure. I've also got
long sleeves, sweaters and hoodies for colder weather. Cryptids right.
We've also got stickers, prints, enamel pins, mugs, tumblers, drink coolers,

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all sorts of stuff. There's something for everyone, and I've
recently updated the shop with a number of new sticker
designs and I have even more coming. I just haven't
had a chance to finish up artwork and drawing out
vectors and stuff in my illustrator program, but I'm always
trying to add new stuff. I do all my own
artwork and it's super fun, so definitely check that out.

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Links will be in the show notes, of course, or
you can head over to Strangeology dot Etsy dot com
and I appreciate your support so much. All right, Well
that's all for me for now. For the regular show,
Nomar was able to hang out for a little while
longer to talk about some more of his experiences and

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weird high strangeness in the state of Maine, so you're
not gonna want to miss it. Members, stick with me
after this short break, and for everyone else until the
next time, take care of yourselves and each other and
keep it strange. All right, members, welcome back to your

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