Masters of the Hunt & Searching for Sasquatch with Trey Howell

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
You're listening to the Strangeology Podcast. I'm your host, Jeff Floren,
and this is your place to explore the weird, strange
and unexplained from cryptids and creatures, the paranormal, aliens and UFOs,
forbidden knowledge, ancient mysteries, conspiracies and more. All right, folks,

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welcome back to the show, first episode of the new season.
Joining me today is Trey from Squatch Me Now. Trey
has a twenty year background in film and marketing and
has been a lifelong or researcher of things like Bigfoot
and all things esoteric. He currently runs his own marketing agency,

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Howell Media, and he curates squatch Me Now on social media,
which he founded in twenty nineteen, gathering over half a
million followers throughout all of social media, presenting some of
the best evidence out there of the ever elusive cryptid
we all know and love, Bigfoot Now. Trey has been

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releasing a series of films, with the up and coming
one being a series called Masters of the Hunt, which
we'll be getting into. So, without further ado, how's it
going today, Trey? So glad to have you on. Can
you give my listeners a little bit of a more
background about what it is that you do?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
So, yeah, I am.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
I got into film about twenty years ago. I worked
in that for about ten years. Just due to life
path changes that we all go on, I ended up
in New York and I kind of just went into marketing.
Was just kind of how I ended that.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
The job I got sort of in the early days
of social media content creation and strategy and all this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
And worked in marketing there for about five years before
I moved back to the South where I'm from, opened
my own little shop, and basically I just do you know,
I was doing remote before it was cool, before COVID.
I was just putting together remote teams of digital marketing
specialists or people within that world that could produce the
right stuff of the brands that I was working for

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instead of just you know, one agency that's loaded, you know,
maybe not the right person. Sort of bespoke teams for
these marketing clients. So that's that's what I was in
since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
And as far as research, so when I was about nine,
I had a pretty close range UFO siting. I was, Yeah,
so that kind of like, you know, just it.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Unlocks something in you. I don't want to say in
your brain, but just in your essence. And so that
sort of set me on his path now with Bigfoot.
It's something that I think anybody that grew up as
a kid with half an imagination had some level of
interest in.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
And I always kind of leaned towards dinosaurs and ancient
history and that kind of stuff, so that it was
always a big interest of mine. And so squatching now
was an experiment.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
I was getting the social media marketing more and more
and I needed sort of something that I was interesting
interested in and like, how can I create some value
here for anybody supposed to come here and look, hey,
what's the evidence for the subject. And then also I
could experiment with different social media strategies that were going
on at the time, just in terms of targeting and.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
That sort of stuff for my clients without having to
do it on their social media like sort of pre
run a b tests some stuff and then apply it
to my clients.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
So I mean it's done pretty well. But all this
time I've been working on this film project. So I
started Masters of the Hunt docu series. You don't want
to say, they're like hour to an hour and a
half episode, so that's a film in some cases. But
we have a you know, a huge, huge story, huge

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subject that I always say, we need to think bigger
about Bigfoot because the spectrum of this. When I when
I talk about all things esoteric, I mean you can't
touch on anything without coming back to human origins, which Bigfoot.
However you chase this subject or whatever thread you pull on,
has some route.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
And human origins.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
So you know, whether it's from a biblical standpoint or
a biological standpoint, wherever you're coming from, there's something.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
There with it.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
And so there's a lot of different pieces that we
can touch on. And so for me, Masters of the
Hunt was this entity that I wanted to create that
wasn't really out there. It was you know, I think
it was Tarantino that said, create the movie you want
to see, and so that's what I'm doing because I
love Bigfoot content. I always you know, written by anything

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that comes out on this, especially from independent producers. But
this is really what I wanted to do, and so
in twenty nineteen, sort of the end of the year,
in the winter, I started doing my first interviews and
continue that until about March.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Of twenty twenty. The world stopped, and then you know,
a lot of things sort of happen for everybody, I
think in the following years.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
So I've just been sort of chipping away at this
as I could, because it's such a big thing to do.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Lots of interviews, lots of different type of interviews, and
then a.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Big thing for me is the presence of Bigfoot visually
in the film in a big way, because we don't
get that a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's an expensive undertaking. So my good buddy and former
client and now a producer on this project, CP Brock,
who also is the guy in our suit.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
He's an ext wrestler and they went into the corporate
world and he's like six seven three fifty base and
then you put him in the suit and he's like
well over seven feet and so he's a big guy
and we've been able to use you know, we started
this as a sort of hybrid project, was like let's

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develop a marketing scheme for your company, your your business.
And we were doing lots of other marketing things, but
it was one that we were playing with. And while
we were doing that, we were developing different suits. We
had different you know, prototypes, trac different applying. It's kind
of landed finally on what we're using now. It's just
sort of as a base b roll suit.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
And then we're gonna build out different types of bigfoot
based on regional reports.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, I mean, there's so many different types of bigfoot
out there, and so you're kind of starting this whole
thing in the South in Appalachia, which is, you know,
an area just known for the highest strangeness in general.
But a lot of people think of the Pacific Northwest

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for bigfoot sightings, but Appalachia has its own stories, right.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Well, I would sugg just just looking at a cars map.
If you look at a cave map, you mean.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
There's a lot of it, and then you compare that
to a bigfoot sighting map, you can see a lot
of correlations. We have a lot of caves in Appalachia,
So whether there's a correlation specifically between the caves and that,
I think it probably is, but you know who knows. Yeah,
Appalachia is one of the oldest chains in the world.
I think the technically oldest is in Africa, but it

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was actually once part of the same mountain chains where
Pangea split, right, So you know, the energy there is
crazy lots of and then everything's quartz and granted and
everything else.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
So the big thing I've been looking into is in
regards with Bigfoot subject is where do the energy mines.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Converge and what sort of phenomenon are we looking at
around there and does that have You know, quantum physics
is telling us the time doesn't exist. So if we're
hitting some sort of energetic thinning of the veil in
certain places where you know, these lay lines are meeting,
or we're just seeing through time, is Bigfoot in some
cases not all cases, I don't think so. But in

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some cases we're just seeing something that's there, you know,
ten twenty thousand, sixty thousand years ago, but sixty thousand
years ago doesn't exist because according to quantum physics, it's
all simultaneous. So, I mean, I think that's one aspect
of you know, Bigfoot is not just a is it interdimensional?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Is it you know physical. Is it an ape? Is
it a human? What is it? I think it's all
these things.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I mean, I think I think when you're really looking
at the full spectrum of the subject you're looking at
it could be that just thing of the veil moment.
It could be a RELETI dominent, it could be an alien.
I mean, I think we're coming to terms with the
concept of the multiverse a little bit more. That's becoming
that you know that the powers that be sort of

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feeding that more to us in lots of different forms
of media. So is there something to that self disclosure
on that and.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
What impact I mean when it comes to extraterrestrials, does
anything have to be extraterrestrials at all?

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Just here right.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Different places that we can't see, feel, or exist in
at this moment. But yeah, So anyway, before we get
way off track, the idea of this is just to
really look at the whole subject of it.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
And we're starting in Appalachia and apple Achia has a
lot of legends and two of the most interesting that
I think are also some of the most obscure in
the Bigfoot world, or the Cherokee story of Sunkloo and
sort of the Irish settler story of whot Nanny and Bugium.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
And these are very similar, parallel narratives but occur six hundred,
eight hundred years apart, and.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Two very different cultures, but only nineteen miles apart in
geographic proximity.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
And so the Cherokee story is a story of a
young Indian woman who was living with her mother by herself.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
She found a good husband, yet her mother's nagear that
she needs to find husband that can provide for them
to live and can bring food and you know, firewood
and all these kinds of things. And night this really
tall guy shows up and starts dropping deer off and fire.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Went off, and all these supplies for this young maiden.
And eventually, you know, the mother is satisfied and she
goes off and marries Sue Glue, which is kind of crazy.
I mean, it's just this, it has taken his fact.
This was a historical oral tale according to the Cherokee.

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And she went off to live with him in a
mountain now today that's known as the Devil's Courthouse. And
they're below that is this boulder that looks a lot like.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
The head of a slant eyed giant which is what's
a glue miant, it's the slantite giant. So the Devil's
head is this boulder that you know, it's probably a
natural formation, but it's very interesting that if you look
at it, it looks like the profile of a slant
eite giant, and it even looks like it has purse
lips like the mass from the Pacific northwest of like this.
So it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Uh you.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
All right, that's it?

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
So right above that is where he held court, they said,
with with the other giants and his Cherokee queen. And
below it is Judiculor Rock, and Judiculor Rock is Sucaloo's rock.
Judiculor was the Irish sort of bastardization of the words Sulkaloo.

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So uh, and Sukalou has a handburner.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
It has said that he jumped off from the devils
courthouse and landed and left his handprint and I was
obviously carved, but you know, that's the story. And then
there's all these other picture bliffs on this rock that
some people think are a Cherokee star map.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
There's always things about it, but some people think it's
a map. Of hunting grounds because in the story, the
Cherokee kept going on day's and he told them basically, eventually,
the the Maiden's brother goes to sort of negotiate with
him for hunting rights, and he says, listen to basically,
you guys got to go back, get in the long house,

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smoke it out, meditate for however many days basically until
I show up, until you can come out, which they
didn't do. They only lasted a little bit at a time,
and so they were banned from the hunting lands. But
I guess the family drama continues from there undocumented. So yeah,

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that's story of some clue. And then you have bout
Nanny and Boujiam. Boujiam is another big Footlight character who
was known for collecting gems. You really like to collect
all the rubies and emeralds and stuff. They're in Appalachia.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Oh interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
And then his other favorite thing was peeping on girls
at watery holes while they're going they go, they go
to do their laundry and they go, they get a
bathe and they would see Boujiam, who was you know,
they always said was not a danger to and then
he never did anything to him, but he was scared these.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Girls, and they would write off and a posse would
go after him and they would never find anything. They
might see him, but you know, they could ever catch him.
And this went on, and it's actually there was a
famous hotel that burned down called the Eagles Nest in
North Carolina, and that was one of the main places
that people would see him because there was a hot
springs there and a lot of like rich young girls

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would go to this Eagles Nest hotel and go out
to play in springs. So that was one but one
day who and Nannie or Annie went down to the
spring and saw Boujiam and fell in love and she
couldn't get over it, and.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
She eventually runs away from her family and goes out
into the woods live with Boujiam. But Boujiam was always
going away hunting jewels, so she'd be left by herself
from long.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Periods of time, no classic story, and she would through
the woods hooting or whooping right yeah for.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Boujium. And so now when you have this, you sort
of have this.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Regional colloquialism in Appalachia called a hoot nanny, which is
like a loud party because it sounds like Annie out
in the woods hooting or whooping for boujium. Yea interesting
something I found. And so what we're doing is not
even we want.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
To start in these regional areas and say, okay, here
are these two figures. They're very interesting to pick something
very similar and then what else do we have similar
to this and other places? So the actual original.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Settlers of the area where hoot Nanny and these Irish
people were living was originally settled by French trappers. Now
with the French trappers have maybe seen something like this
before the Irish probably they were there first, right well,
in the purities in France, the bigfoot type character is
called the bassajon, and the basijon has similar type characteristics

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to boujium. And in the same way that the Irish
sort of mispronunciated sul glue is judicula, could have basijon
been mispronunciated as boujium by the Irish from something French.
So I'm kind of trying to trace this stuff, like
where where does it go back? Not from only from
cultural perspective, but also even genetic lineage like one of

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let's look at migration patterns from you know, ice age,
free ice age, where are all these aminids come from?
And also in other folklore legends, So if you look
somewhere in later episodes, we're going to Mexico, because the
Mexico then the Aztecs had the kind of medicine, and

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then you had some of those sort of like nephlin
type giants, and there in the Croatian stories they were
here before and hereafter, and but the last of those
giants were run on off, mostly massacred according to their folklore.
But we're run off into the southeastern United States a

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few hundred years before we get the story of Sulkaloo
and Cherokee legend. And if you look at other almost
every major Spanish.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Explorer that came to the southeast has some story of
running into what looked like giant natives, right and some
kind of you know, some cases it's more airy giant
natives or just human giant natives. But were those the
key of medicine? Were those from the giants? The last
the giants that the Cherokee are that the Aztec ran

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off from there, and then now the Cherokee medium So
we're sort of kind of really trying to trace the
lineage of these stories, not just tell them, but you know,
trace the source. And so that's a big part of
this and bringing those stories to life in a very
cinematic way.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, that's that's awesome. I definitely can't wait to check
all that out. With the tracing of the lineage of
like giants and stuff that, you know, made me think
of the Ken of medicine. Have you found any kind
of a connection to like the giants of Lovelock Cave,

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the red haired six fingered giants. Is there any kind
of connection to that?

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Okay, so own Judicolor Rock. The carving of Suclue's hand
has six fingers.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Okay, we're getting somewhere somewhere right.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Now, there's also in South Carolina and Georgia there are
red haired giants that we're supposedly like deer herders. And
this sounds very similar also to Sue Glue, because he
sort of had deer just sort of wander around and outside.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
His cave for him. But we'll talk about that later.
But the Douhari are this almost unknown tribe of white,
red haired giant people who supposed they lived in what's
now a hot spot for Bigfoot today in Georgia and
Carolina or South Carolina. But if you look up d

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u h A r E, I believe it is how
they spelled do har, you'll find this a few mentions
in you know, this tribe of people that were deer
hurgers they've herded white tailed deer is like such a
crazy thinking almost like a European sounding, you know, thing
to do. But yeah, so and they were white and

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red hair. So it's like it's very weird, like we're
all these stories, but they're so obscure. So I'm really
trying to find the obscure stuff, the stuff that we
haven't heard, you know.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Over It's it's great to constantly sort of reintroduce this stuff,
but there's also a lot that needs to be put
out there in preserved because it's going to disappear. I mean,
the main publication of some clue stories and a book
called Cherokee Myths from eighteen eighty eight.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's a great book logical stories, but there's not I mean,
uncus nobody knows about it, you know. So it's yeah,
I mean, tell that story and then get it.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Presented in a modern way that people will be find
interesting because I mean, how many people even read anymore football?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
But to create a really visually appealing the presentation of
these stories. And you can start to see some of
that in the promotional reels I'm posting on Instagram, talk
and YouTube and all that stuff. We kind of started
with some previous sketches and then ran them through AI
and animated them, and then now we're using that as
like previus for the actual principal photography. You know, we

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can test out this camera move and that and this
and that the AI so put that some of that
in the hype Real that's on the kickstorter that we're
running right now. And I'm just supposed to real because
we had a touch shoot last weekend with any story,
which you know, I think it's gonna be really great.
You always run into logistical issues here and there, and

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so it's nice to sort of measure twice and cuple ones.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So you're really kind of going for, like, you know,
the the cinematic, the storytelling, the preservation of the history
connecting the dots. Are you in addition to all of that,
are you going out into the field to do any
kind of on the ground investigation trying to catch something

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on film.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
We are we've we've been running from the thrones quite
a bit right on, uh, playing with that. I'm also
going I'm out with Helvin Hollerd and it's Jesse.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
And Joe and help and holler yea.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
They do some great field work and they also are
putting together some really cool equipment that's like specialize. Most
of my gear is focused on filmmaking and that kind
of stuff. I do have thermals, uh, except thermal drones
and this kind of thing. But they have some very
specialized gear they've actually commissioned to be made for infra
sound that all these kinds of things to detect. So
and we have some very similar strategic ideas of how

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to go about this. So I've been talking to them
for a long time. They're in my area, so they're great, and.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, we're going out and we're not only doing that,
but we're trying to develop almost in like a X
Men danger room style of how do we.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Sort of set up strategies for the field, Like if
we see something, how we guarantee we get the evidence
that we need, you know, if it's not and if
it's if you're not body.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
If you're not, I'm not going.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
And even if you're getting a body, I mean, you
better have a fifty cal b and G or something
at the leads, right, And then you know, the the
trank dark argument is like how much would you use
it is that you can get a dark big enough
to take something like that out. So I feel like
a muscle density would be pretty difficult, especially to drop

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it with any sort of speed that you can actually
get to the body and then you're.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Gone, right, any of the shot here that gets away knows,
that's hard to track sometimes.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
So yeah, so I mean we're not going to kill
a mission here at all. We're a mission for better questions.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think, you know, if you're really doing good research,
all you ever really end up with is better questions.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Right right?

Speaker 3 (23:40):
So yeah, yeah, Well, like one of the things is,
you know, you always see people asking why why are
all these pictures and videos of of Bigfoot blurry? Why
why is he blurry? I mean, can you can you
expand on? I mean, you know you're a filmmaker, you
know the ins and outs of the tech and all that.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
You know, what is it?

Speaker 3 (24:04):
What would what does it take to to get a
clear shot of Bigfoot if it exists, versus like you know,
a four K camera on a cell phone.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, for me, the sort of like real long term
scalable goal for this is to put teams in the
field with what they need to get that evidence, because
nobody's doing that, Like Thatt GEO is banging someone and
for years to go sit in the Arctic to get
the picture of that fox. And they've given them, you know,

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fifty thousand dollars worth equipment to do it, and they
got to sit there and sit there and one day
maybe if they're lucky, they get that rare.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean, you have to do that.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I mean, if that's how we have that's how this
has to be played in the long run, if you
want to get that visual evidence. I mean, like I
said before, we're running some tactics, like you know, there's
different types of you know, doing what an.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
MPV drone is like a racing drone. So we want
to put an MPV pilot on every team. So if
we're out there, not only do we have other equipment
that is the right equipment for the job. Because I'll
be honest with you, like a gobro it's not the
right equipment for the job.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Then I'll get into what it is. But like an
MPV drone, okay, that things running, what are you gonna
run it down with?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know you're not going to run it down.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
But if we can launch an MPV or multiple MPVs
in a short period of time, we might actually be
able to get So that's something we've been training to do.
And then you know, I don't have a lens close
to me right now to grab, but you.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Need a big lens. Look at the lenses nature photographers
are using it and put it on some solid stabilization. Yeah,
I mean I have a two hundred millimeter and a
six hundred millimeter And if.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
You look at like what I mean, I have a
picture on the kick start of me with the six hundred,
I mean that's about as long a lenses you're gonna get.
That's what you're using for shooting like a football player
in an action shot, you know, running the ball from
you know, twenty five fifty yards away whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I mean, that's the that's the equipment you really need.
If you want to get.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Compelling visual evidence in the field, you need something like that.
I mean, it's great to have the go pros is
extra coverage.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I mean, that's extra coverage, and that's great, but you're
not going to you're not going to get the image
you want, period. And then there's all kinds of other factors.
I mean, everybody says the comments are, we have the
greatest cameras in history in our pockets. Why can't we
There's something called the right tool for the job, and

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these average like a twenty four millimeter lens, twenty two
milimeter lens, and anything greater than that is really a
digital zoom, which is it's all kinds of other complications
as far as artifacting, you know, just anytime. The reason
you need that six hundred millimeter on a solid tripod
is because the further you zoom in, the more or

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the image is going to show shake any shake in
your hand, the tripod, whatever it is, that applies to
digital zoom as well. So why can't anybody keep the
shot steady? Why can't anybody, you know, get a clear image?
What I mean, how many of these are right in
front of the person, And if a big foot ran
right out in front of you close enough to get
a selfie with your cell phone, I think you're probably

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gonna have a bowel movement.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Before you pick your camera up and you know, take
a picture of it. So so there's silly questions. I
understand a lot of people just either just feel like
saying that or they just don't have a better understanding
of how photography works. But you need a long lens.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
You need you know, if you're shooting an action shot,
your shutter speeding can be super high. The more you
increase your shutter speed, the darker image is going to get.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
So now you're needing like bright daylight right to get
a high you know, if it's running, I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
How fast these things run, I don't know. I mean
I don't know, twenty thirty, forty fifty miles an hour,
I have no idea. So if it's moving fast, you're
gonna need to and then even it like so we
actually do this. This is the question we answer sort
of from squatching out audience is why is it could blurry?
And so we set our guidance suit out as somebody

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asked going to kickstart post the other day, like why
do you need a guy in suit? A lot of reasons,
but one reason is we put him out at different
yardages from the camera and shot him with different cameras
and shot him with different lenses and shot him moving
in different ways, and we show you, Okay, now this
is what it looks like right of the camera. And
then here you see how it still looks pretty far
away at one hundred yards with a six hund ability

(28:35):
to lens. Now we've got to zoom in on that image,
you know, we got to zoom in on that video.
And more we zoom in, the more extilization you're gonna get,
the more degradation of the image you're gonna get. And
then for people like us who post this stuff on
mine once we've gotten it from YouTube, we've gotten it
from another Instagram post, we've gotten every time it's uploaded,
it is degraded more and more and more and more.
And if somebody uploads it and then I download it,

(28:59):
and then I upload it, and then you download it
from my page and then you up every time, it's
getting to be worse and worse quality image. So not
only is it not great from the start because we
don't have the raw material or it's been cropped in
a lot to actually try to see what we're looking at. Yeah,
it degrades our time for its life on the internet.

(29:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, compression is a whole thing that really lowers
the quality of what we're trying to present it. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
blurry blurry Bigfoot. It's just you know, if anyone's wondering,
that's kind of what we need.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, we did. We did a Chris bigfootsh up.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
The only way to do that is with the right
equipment and a lot of luck basically or the right
amount of people in the field. I mean, I would
love to have, like be able to eventually expand this
to the website that you basically have a live camera
all the time on one of our guys that's out
in the field or most.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Of the time or you know, on the camp or
you know, whatever it may be.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Their technology is getting there where we could hopefully have that,
and then there's just some what we're just funding people
to be out in the right place at the right time.
Look at deer migration, we look at you know, time
of year, we look at witness reports. This is the
place that needs to be I mean next week, I
should Bigfoot is kind of done that already, but you know,

(30:24):
with those kinds of programs.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know, you're going out for a certain amount of time.
Let's it's how can we like crowdfund basically in the
long term from a scalable concept the discovery of Bigfoot,
how can we like really you know, figures out. I
mean it's possible. I mean I have five hundred thousand followers.
You know, if a small percentage of that wanted to

(30:45):
go towards Hey, let's let's really put what we got
to put into.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Answering this mystery. I think it could be done. I mean,
it has to be funded by somebody. Naccio funds finding
Arctic foxes.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
You know, if we want to find Bigfoot, it's probably
gonna require us doing ourselves because obviously establishment is not
going to tell us anything. Yeah, right now, maybe when
they get a distraction look at something.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Maybe maybe that's a good point. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean you've got what's the town in Washington that
has the law that says you can't hunt or kill
a bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
I mean, there's there's some stuff like that out there,
but you know, largely bigfoots still considered a fringe thing,
despite you know, thousands and thousands of pieces of witness
testimony and and even videographic and photographic evidence. You know,
whether or not that stuff's vetted, you know, is a question.

(31:42):
I mean how much how much do you think out
there is hoaxed versus real?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, I mean very from a look at the perspective,
could I hoax this? And we look at that. That's
part part of it too, is looking at some of
the better videos that we can actually get licensing for
to show and comparing what we can create. And I
can tell you that just from doing this a little bit.

(32:10):
You know, when I first started talking about this project
years ago on a few podcasts, you just said, you know,
you're gonna lose credibility for having a suit. People are
just gonna always think that you're just faking and hoaxing stuff.
But it's like incredibly difficult to hoax certain things. It's difficult.
You put a human being in a first suit on

(32:31):
uneven ground. It's already you know, like my.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Guy is six seven, three fifty pounds. They can walk
down a mountain with clown feet on. Basically, all I
can say is it's like dangerous if not easy. I uh,
there are certain places like could just couldn't get like
these things like running through brambles and stuff like like

(32:58):
you get caught up very easily on that like faux
fur stuff. You know, it's it's very difficult. And it's
just like a big person like that can't move like this.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
We are not physically adapted to move like something of
that size could be even if we are that size,
certainly you know, maybe a few people, but it's rare specimen.
So can someone find the right human to actually get
in the suit to be able to replicate now in
some okay, I always look for movement, and have you
seen the what is it the Siberian YETI or leaping

(33:30):
yetti or leaping Yes.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
So for me, that's one of the best videos of
all time. Like for me, that's the most convincing video
we've got. And I've shown that to a lot of
my associates in the film world, and it's like, look
at this, how would we do this?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
How would we create this? It's not CG.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
It's not CG because it's handheld. There's a lot of
foliage in the foreground. Everything looks blended perfectly, like no
one would want to go through that if it's even possible.
Look at the Hulk and two hundred million dollars Disney Movies.
It looks like, you know, relatively, I don't know how

(34:08):
you would do that. I've been trying to figure it out.
I've been trying to think about how could I build
a suit that a human that's really athletic could do that,
and I just can't. I have some ideas, but it's
you still have to be the thing like jumped over
a tree truck like a fallen giant.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
No, that's move in like an animal with like ten
times the strength of the strength human.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's like, yeah, one of my first shoots, I've tried
to get a guy in a set of jumping stills
to just try to do something like that, and.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
In a suit, in a partial suit. It wasn't even
like a full suit, and it certainly wasn't a suit
that looked that good. And he almost killed himself, so
he definitely got injured. We've had yeah, so it's uh,
it's difficult, but I don't I don't know. I mean,
it's a lot of trouble, and the ones.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
That don't.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
There's no credit. No, he's taking credit for it. Like
I know for a fact, to even make a fairly
basic suit You've got thousands.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Of dollars in time. What's the what's the end game here?
I really don't know. Just to sit at home and
go I did that in like one day and forty
years You're gonna tell somebody and your deathbed. I don't understand.
It doesn't make sense. I feel like at some point
Ockham's razor starts cutting back in the direction of Bigfoot,
and especially in videos for me like the Independent Stake footage,

(35:26):
where I think about, Okay, that's a pretty good suit.
It looks pretty good. That person is walking down by
maybe like a forty five degrees slope in a bowler field,
staring at the camera the whole time, never lose his
eicon exce every when he goes behind the bowlders, almost
never loses eye contact with the camera, watching the camera,

(35:47):
like my guy has to look at his feet almost
all the time. He always has that like sad you're
looking Bigfoot look on this song because when he's walking,
he's looking at his feet, you.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Know, yeah trip right, so he doesn't trip.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
This thing is looking at the camp the whole time,
and then it as a baby, it's moving autonomously of
the creature itself. So now you're walking on a forty
five degree slope down a bowlderfield in a big foot
suit with a baby puppet that's either animatronic, which would
be extremely expensive, or you're having to like make it

(36:18):
move with your hand while looking at that.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I just can't having and this is why I'm doing
this stuff for the documentary. The documentary is excuse to learn,
like and explore the subject. It would be so difficult.
I have a video from nearby of a red bigfoot
with a very conical head. It's one of the first
videos I posted on squatch me now, and it's I

(36:44):
spent days like zooming and on this thing trying to
enhance it. It was a crappy cell phone photo from
many years ago at twilight, but it's definitely like this,
and we get a lot of more of the skinny,
red haired looking bigfoots with conical heads. There's like a
couple types of stuff to your line. That's why it's
kind of recorded. But it was carrying something on its back,
and as I zoomed in and en hands and hands

(37:05):
and hands, it's obviously a deer. It's obviously a buck
with it. I would say at least four to six points,
so you're talking about two or three hundred pounds, right, Yeah,
it's carrying it over its shoulders through like kind of
like a dry creep bed through trees. You know, it's
in the it's more like a shallow flipplane or type

(37:29):
thing with pines in it. But it's definitely uneven ground.
So now we've got some kids. Some kids filmed it.
So I have like some kids that are now what
seven feet tall, carrying three hundred pounds buck deer on
their backs. The deer has its neck broke. Obviously there's
like a wound on its neck. So I don't know

(37:50):
if it was if you know, the neck just broke
and it's like a compound fracture sticking out, or if
it's a bite. I don't know what it is, but
it's hard to tell. There's a definite wound, there's definite
ant is almost deer as they just carried over shoulders,
sauntering and looking back at the camera as it's walking
through very uneven ground through trees thrills. That is difficult

(38:10):
to do. I don't I don't know. I could not
put three hundred pounds on my guy's back and have
him do anything, Yeah, you have a heart attack. Yeah,
I mean, and just who's finding these bigfoot people to
hoax this stuff? Now? Yeah, certainly there's ones that are like,
you know, some five foot dude in a Walmart Riller costumes.
Those are typically pretty obvious. But at the same time

(38:32):
we have to consider that they are bigfoots of different sizes, juveniles.
There's obviously going to be some genetic diversity, and there's
going to be a few stunted I'm sure somewhere along
the lines, especially within breeding and that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's bigfoot sasquatch sightings in every
quarter of the United States, Canada, elsewhere in the world,
of course, and there's variations to all of it. Like
I'm in New England and we have big foot sightings
up in this area, of course, but New Hampshire cost County,

(39:09):
the northernmost county that goes borders with Canada. They have
stories of wood devils who are like these skinny, like
bigfoot type creatures that will hide behind trees if they
if they see you and you managed to catch a
glimpse because they're so quick and obviously they're not like

(39:30):
the huge, bulky like Patty type of Bigfoot. But you
know there's there's variation, just like in humans.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well, the variation, I mean genetic. I think there's more significant,
very genetically going on here the most people have credit for.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I mean, when we talked about fossilization, a very extremely
rare process, and we've already found so many hominants, so
many different hominets already that there were probably a lot
more than that. You're dealing with lots of different types
of things somewhere between chimpanzee and human based somewhere between

(40:06):
the Australia pothoscene and a human. You have like lots
of avarial variations and lots of different types that probably
existed well at the same time. I personally think this
is the origin.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Of the Uncanny Valley. Oh yes, I think I know
where the Uncanny valley is physically.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
I mean it's a psychological concept, but I feel like
I know where it is physically or geographically.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I think I know where that curved. I think it
has a lot to do with the are encountering.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Physically predatorial hominid or hominids, and I think civilization may
have cropped up at least in part from those encounters,
because if you look at where the first civilizations emerge,
where we had to build walls around ourselves.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
It's right the Zagros mountains. It's the edge of the Zagros,
and the Zagros is where we think humans and Neanderthals
first met. Interesting in the in the nice end plane,
in the nice End plane would be before the Uncanny Valley,

(41:20):
if you will, metaphorical, So that's that's kind of where
each season will end on an Uncanny Valley episode. Okay,
on telling that, Okay, we've told you all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
About the specific region and how these different types and
stories might connect to other areas of the world, but
we think this is kind of maybe where that started.
And what's interesting is did the predation of something that
was at least at that time greater than us as from.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
A predator perspective.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Lead to civilization which led to AI, which might be
the new super predator for humans.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Oh that's a thought.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
And the valley comes from robotics.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah right, right, Yeah, they've got the whole chart where
something looks like not quite human enough and that's what
really like freaks us out.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, it looks human but clearly wasn't.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, Yeah, certainly there were several different pominated species that
we coexisted with and we out competed and and we're
the ones that made it. But do you do you
think there's any potential that you know, a bigfoot could be.
I know, Neandertos were considered to be kind of shorter

(42:50):
in stature, but now we know about the Denisovans, which
they have teeth that were like twice the size of
ours larger.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Then there the first the first molar was found by
Dennis Ovan's was mistaken to the cave bear tooth.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Yeah, and cave bears were fourteen feet tall, so something
to think about for sure, their skulls.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Were like twice our size. And also think we had
to think about Bergman's rule and these stories because first, uh,
you know, Neanderthals have mostly been found in more southern
league areas and then even as would one in a
more north northerly area be bigger based on Bergman's rule.

(43:39):
And then with that also in mind, you know they
were pushed where they all just pushed to alpine regions
and could have grown larger because while they were technically
thought to be shorter and stature and they were much
more robust, so they would have had the frame to grow.
And we've certainly gotten taller, right, and as hunter gatherers

(44:04):
we were taller. We actually got shorter when we started civilization,
started grain and then have slowly gotten taller over time. Yeah,
but early hunter gatherers had much more robust skulls, more
pronounced like browbridges, bigger jaws and all, and much thicker
bones and all that lends itself to a thicker, more

(44:26):
robust musculature. So even early humans, you know, we constantly
see sketches and like textbooks and stuff and looked like
skinny dudes and pop bellies. Like that's probably not how
they looked living in the way they did. Meeting a
ninety nine percent meat diet for two hundred thousand years,
two hundred ninety thousand years before day. I mean, that's
just unlikely. And that's really all they have. I mean,

(44:48):
and you're competing, You got to think about the ones
that ended up in Northern Europe and ice age, competing
with Denisovans, neanderthals, sabretooth tigers, Like what were these what
were these humans? Like, I mean it makes you wonder,
like what would that encounter be not even just with
a bigfoot. What would it be like to encounter a
human pre civilization and how much we've you know, it's

(45:08):
like a wolf versus a golden treatment.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
You know, that's a good point. That's good.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
So you know, take a Neanderthal and or some variation,
you know, because there were lots of anything. We tend
to use the term relict, hominid or hominoid, but it
wouldn't even be a relict. A relict is something that's
left over.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Relict is something that's basically been caught in some microcosmic
environment that it would never changed and it just got
preserved as it was, and anything that would exist today
would have continued to develop, right, it would have adapted
to circumstances. It's environment, so just like we have. So
how does that when we get into you know, did

(45:52):
they go into caves? I mean with the Kendonmates, kene Mets,
and they constantly said they were going back into the ground.
There's lots of different you know, story of giants going
back into the ground, going underground.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
The temples in Malta are very interesting. There were I
don't know how much you know about the temples in Malta.
But they were all said to be built by giants
that maybe now live underground or at one time we're
living underground and people were being fed to them.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
So yeah, I mean, and if they go underground, if
they're living there, what sort of adaptations would occur? And
constantly think about the idea of eye glow versus eyes shine,
and if the eyes are actually glowing, what would cause that?
And we found, you know, we didn't have bacteria living
in our eyes, right, and these things obviously they were
said they have with huge eyes. There's been biofluorescent bacteria

(46:50):
found in caves. If they're living in unknown sort of
underground environments, could that have become some sort of symbiotic
bacteria that lives in their eyes and when they go out,
is that bioluminescence glow?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, that's really and I never thought about that. That's uh,
that's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
I mean it's I mean, I think there could be
the eyeshine thing as well, obviously. Yeah, but this comes
back to different lineages, different environmental adaptations. Could I think
there's wood apes and I think there's probably some hybrid
in Neanderthal if in your area of the world, we
get a lot of Neanderthal looking at reports. Yeah, and
up into that area, that side of Canada, your area

(47:33):
of the world has an indigenous story I really want
to get into when I get up there, which is
the Genoskua.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I don't know how familiar with.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
I'm actually I'm not familiar with that one.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Okay, So the Genoscua. But the iroquoiss like uh evil
Bigfoot there. They were the stone giants. They were cannibals. Uh.
This is a story.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
This is like the you know, the Lovelock Cave type stuff,
but having with the Iroquois and your sort of New
York and Northeast.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Canada and not an area where they were the stone giants.
They were said to live on the on the ridges,
you know, the kind of bridges of like I guess
Upper Appalachia basically, Yeah, and they would roll in the
granite dust, and they would come the oils in their
skin and everything would hold the granite dust to their

(48:25):
fur and to their skin, and so they would look
like they already had gray skin and gray hair, and
so when the granite dust would stick to their skin,
they would look like rock people. So they were called
the stone giants, and the stone giants would come down
and steal babies to eat and women to whatever, and
kill the men, and they would raid every once in
a while.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
They would carry clubs and had conical heads. So they're
they're a crazy, crazy indigenous story. And I know all
the stories are different, so we're obviously dealing with different
We're even seeing like early homine and shook cultural culture
and discoveries like burials and ritual burials and that kind
of stuff. So why wouldn't these bigfoot have more culture

(49:06):
than we are really giving them credit for? And in
that case, you know what, you know, what's going on
with all these different types.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Some are good, some are bad. They're just like people.
They're just like humans. They are humans to some extent,
different types of humans or human relative in some way.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
So yeah, the genosca are a really interesting one that
I want to get into. And they eventually would start
like giving women and deer and other stuff. Just here's
our offering for you know, for you to go away
for the Irquhil and all those stories. Here's like two
maidens and ten deer or whatever, you know, leave us
alone for a little while and.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
They're basically paying tribute to the Genosqua, which you know,
is very similar to like King Kong. I always say
King Kong was the first bigfoot movie because you know,
the original King Kong wasn't sixty feet tall. I think
he was only supposed to be like twenty feet tall.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Oh interesting, okay, and.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Then and then you know, and so he was exaggerated anyway.
But then there's very similar type you know, bigfoot stuff
around King Kong. He was just they had just found
the gorilla. You know. Gorilla is what they knew when
they made that movie.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Yeah, so uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
But Bigfoot's a big thing. Man, It's so big and
it's so important. I think.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
So while I have a lot of fun with it,
and I like to have fun with the filmmaking aspect
of everything, I think it's I think there's a lot
for us to learn about ourselves in a lot of
different ways from bigfoot subject and the study of the
big foot subject, not just our origins, but how we
respond to things, you know, just go look at you know,
how we respond to new information.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
How we think about the world.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
I think how much does when you look at even
just things like bigfoot reports. You get a lot more
out of the North East or the northwest, But what's
the culture.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
There where I am? It's very hard to get people
to talk about it because we're still in the Bible
Belt to a certain extent, right yea, And not even
people that are super religious, do you have just people
is just not cool, you know, just you know, they're
not necessarily into mystical, paranormal and all that as much.

(51:19):
That's not the culture. So our reports, you know, we
all go by where's bigfoot the most where's the top
place to see bigfoot? It's always based on regional reports.
But what other factors impact regional reports? Does that necessarily
mean that's where the highest populations are. But that's just
where the most people are reporting it because they're willing to. Right,

(51:40):
There's a lot of like stoic hunters here. I've got
one buddy, a stoic country boy hunter type, you know
that had He only gets that story out when he's
had like a you know, a few drinks in him, sure,
and then his wife's coming over at the party. Sand
let's not talk about so and there's all And that's

(52:02):
even if you can talk about it.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
So yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's like some fear of
ridicule too, because it's such a fringe topic.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
You know, well it happens. I mean they didn't get
because he has a few times, you know, he does
get rid of cool chap them about it. No, I don't.
It's no problem for men here. But you know, it's uh,
you know, it's also just not something I necessarily bring
up unless I know, in the right situation, or unless
I just find somebody that I'm like, I know, this

(52:31):
guy might know something like a cop or a outdoors
guide or something like that. I know, I had a
client meeting. I don't think I got the client. I
had a client meeting with an outdoors guide company, and
I had.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
To bring it up, like so uh.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Like the first meeting. It was like the first meeting.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
But you know, it's uh, yeah, it's cool subject, man,
and it's everywhere, and it's so deep in every aspect
of you know, of the cultures here. We just don't
realize that it's not really talked about anymore. I think
it was probably a lot more a lot more talked
about probably at one time, especially in the Cherokee world.

(53:15):
Though there were some aspects of the sort of interbreeding
part being tampoo. And there's a there's a story in
the low part of the state, like the swamping part
of the state of South Carolina now North Carolina. There's
a Cherokee story of a small bigfoot, like a five
foot man bigfoot. Interesting that all the women liked it

(53:36):
because he was super strong. But he was only like
five feet tall or something that shorter than the other men.
But he was super strong and it could hunter, and
so all the men women were the clamoring for this guy.
You know, there's lots of there's lots of different stories,
lots of the types. There's little people in that book
I was talking about Miss the Cherokee. There's these little

(53:57):
people and there were so small. It's not the Moon
Nine people, something completely different. They were like little Cherokee.
They're just like tiny little Cherokee. And this is how
small they were.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
A Cherokey hunting party goes through their village, sees them,
interacts with them, spend the night.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
On their way back. All of them are wrong. All
little people are gone, and they realize that they've been
decimated by a The people tell them that they've been
a little people tell the Cherokee that they're being attacked
by storks. The Cherokee this is like a movie. The
Cherokee teach them to fight the storks. Then they leave.
Then they come back and they see that there's no

(54:35):
battle and the little people have been decimated by this
flock of storks. But this is like a Cherokee version
of Tolkien or something, you know, it's like this crazy story.
So there's so many good stories. You know, we're all
gonna do Bigfoot stories to start. I might venture off
on some of this other stuff if I can do,
like if I have the time and energy to do

(54:56):
like bonus content. But originally what I want to eventually,
what I want to do is I, after the first season,
after each season, to put out of anthology of just
the cinematical retellings. Yeah, from that season. So here's season one,
you know, six or seven.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Stories, right, yeah, yeah, you know it's interesting. There's there's
so much, so many stories, so much folklore, like in
New England and in the Midwest. You know, there's the
native legends of the Puckwadgie, which are these diminutive human

(55:35):
like uh you want to call them goblins, gnomes, elves
like you know, and there's stories up in Alaska, up
in the Pacific Northwest, everywhere.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
You know, it's it's this, Yeah, the little people are
everywhere too. And you know, for me, the Bigfoot subject
for me is really anything that is sort of a
mammalian humanoid hominid.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Type like of any size for me, because I mean
big Foot just come from they found tracks of something
of the big Foot, so mostly you know, but I
think all those other I mean we would be you know,
the hobbit.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
And Homo Florenzias and Flora. You can't really extract that
from the Bigfoot phenomena. I mean, it's obviously an important as.
It's a small but it's something small, but it's on
an island. It's just like Bergman's rule that says the
northerly colder areas, animals get bigger on the small little islands.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
You have, you know that are with animals are isolated
and have miniatures.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
You have miniature elephants I think all flores maybe, and
so you have this sort of smaller hominive creature. So yeah,
I mean all of that to me fits in this
greater phenomenon little people, big people. There are whole bunch
of people that were all I mean, it's it was
like at one point, I really think we were doing
Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah, it really kind of seems like that in a
certain way.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
For sure. I'm curious what's your take on kind of
like the more.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Woo factor of bigfoot encounters and that kind of thing,
because you know, a lot of a lot of people
report coinciding high strangeness. You've got mind speak, UFO sightings, portals,
Bigfoot transforming into like a log like there's all these
like weird and interesting stories Like is that anything you're

(57:24):
going to cover or.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean so this and you know, I'm
only covering what I find in my research, but it's
all there. That's why I say you have to like
not exclude any of these factors. You got to think
bigger about it is if you open your mind to
look into it, you're always gonna find it. I think
so mind speak, which is telepathy, which CIA is to

(57:48):
classify it as being a reality of some sort.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
They have some.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Scientific precedent for it in humans at least. It's something
we cover in the first episode for sure, because su
Kaloo it was said to wherever he was, he knew
their thoughts, and he spoke from the air even though
it couldn't be seen, and sometimes sometimes you can be seen,

(58:14):
but he spoke from the air. So to me, that
sounds like telepathy. Yeah, and then we have to play into.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Well, there's other variations of the story where animals would
just hang outside his cave and he would go out
and just sort of harvest what he wanted. And these guys,
hence the Dame, were known as the Lords of the
Game or the masters of the hunt. So the lords
of so the lords of the game, the masters of
the hunt. They were able, they're the greatest hunters at it.

(58:44):
They could just control the animals. They were their masters.
So the question is was that just sort of physical
ability or was there some sort of telepathic ability that
aided them in this?

Speaker 4 (59:01):
And for me, from an evolutionary perspective, I mean, if
you look at just let's say Neanderthals and Denisovans and
say maybe those two types are one of there's some
hybrid of those two types with humans perhaps migrated here
at some point into the United States. And I think
there's various other options, but let's just say we do
that they have bigger brains. We now think that Neanderthals

(59:22):
we don't know as much about dens solvents, but we
know they were related and they were larger. We now
think the Aderdals maybe were as smart as us in
a different way. Their brains work differently, and their brains
were larger and the dense Sovan brains were larger.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
So if you're using that brain in a different way,
what could it do? And if you are a pack hunter,
is you know an evolution The primary thing here survival
and primary thing here is getting food and reproducing. Is
there any evolutionary need to be able to talked to

(01:00:00):
your other hunters without speaking, without making noise? I feel
like it would be for an apex pack hunter. It
is highly evolved, so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
That might be maybe where it would have adapted that ability. Now,
when we get back to the story of sou Kalou
and him, you know the Cherokee saying that he had it,
how was he using it? And was it at all
use in the courting of this Cherokee maiden? Why did

(01:00:30):
she because instead that he looked tidious. He said that
anybody else saw.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Him, they would be horrified to look upon him, but
she was fine with them, so was she just? I
mean it's really sort of a Beauty and the Beast story.
So tale is old as time apparently because we have
genetic evidence of this. We have genetic evidence of humans
and breeding Neanderthals and servants, So is that what happened?

(01:00:59):
But in this case, was he using his mind control
to have her go off with him? Is there there's
probably if you have a small population, there's probably a
need to integrate humans for that sort of genetic diversity.
You know, Melbourn Ketchem's DNA study, for whatever it's worth,
said that we're dealing with a female.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Mother obviously, a mother that's that's human, and a father
that's an unknown male. I mean, are the folklore is
lending itself to that we have North indigenous folklore or
not even more recent reports early nineteen hundreds reports of
this happening to Native American women in the Pacific Northwest.
And then you know, was he manipulating her mind the

(01:01:44):
way he was doing animals? And if he was, was
that what Bousha was doing with Putinani? Is that why
she went crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Why would these in both cases we see that other
people would be horrified by the look of this creature.
You know, there were girls that would go bathe in
the Ute Nanny Story issue. They would get bathed in
bathing and creeks and they would see boujum peaking at
them while they bathed in the creeks and they would

(01:02:12):
run off screaming and a posseo go out from Boosia.
Annie didn't see that. Have a problem with I'm calling
the we don't have official name for the girl in
the Cherokee story about calling her Elu. This is a
Cherokee name that means grace. And you know she wasn't
afraid of and everybody else was afraid of. So is

(01:02:33):
it just that they could just their love was just
deeper than his looks? Is that what it was? Or
was there something else going on? So that's the mind
speak aspect of it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
I think that's an interesting subject since we have it
in the indigenous folklore mentioned and telepathy has been you know,
twenty nineteen st classes documents on telepathy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And then you know what is the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Ah when it comes to portals. You know, Appalachia is
an energetic place. There's a lot going on there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
We have orbs with the Brown Mountain lights. Brown Mountain
has a lot of sightings. So we have these weird
orbs going on. We have supposedly some government dumb bases.
You always got to want to know, like why they
wanted Black mountains and the lives of government want to
be there. These the oldest, These are the oldest mountains
in the world that split during Pangaea from once out

(01:03:33):
of the oldest mountains in the world. Uh, there has
to be some energetic residence there and what have been
captured in the granite and the courts that that area
is filled with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
And what does that cause in terms of time distortion,
intermensional distortion, just electromagnetic field of general and the implications
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
What does that allow us to experience since you know,
time does exists according to quantum physics, and other dimensions
exists according to quantum physics, and what all that means
for us in the subject and beyond. I think it's
interesting for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah, yeah, there's so much you could you can get into.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
My god, it's uh, it's a wild rabbit hole for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah. I mean I thought we got UFO
disclosure before big but I never thought that would I
really thought Bigfoot, you're very like somewhat grounded subject. We
have fossil evidence of things that somewhat like this, you know,
that would be something easier to tell the people, but
it's like we're getting UFOs first.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
So what makes it crazy is people are Okay, UFO
is real, that makes sense, but big Foot still is. Guys,
we're in a crazy time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
There's a lot of stuff coming to Yeah, so you're
doing a great job of putting information out there to
help people sort of wake up to new things I
never heard of. Thought.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Yeah, yeah, I try, I try. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
There's a lot of topics like like yourself, you know,
I and my listeners know. I, you know, grew up
being into books on Bigfoot, in the Luckedest Monster, UFOs,
unsolved mysteries, sightings, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
So you know, it's just uh finding your people, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I would say look at us
as a lockness monster. And I've been thinking about dinosaur
ghost a lot lately.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Oh interesting, so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Think about what are dinosaur ghosts? And we're talking about
time doesn't exist. We talked about this a little bit
earlier than before we got home, But look at lay
line maps.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
That's a great rabbit hole will go down and look
at paranormal events around those areas where lay lines intersect.
There's two to intersect right before locknown and then you
have this pool of water right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Yeah, the lucks fresh water I believe it is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah, so that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
It'd be more interesting to sew because you have this
conduct development in there, but you have this water itself
seems to have some portal thing going on. And then
if you just think about like for instance, not a
lay line thing, but it definitely electromagnetic resonance thing. The
Brita Triangle is basically where we think the media that

(01:06:32):
killed the dinosaurs hit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yeah, and also where the deep sea UFO base is
that they're talking about a few months back.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Yeah, but did that event create some sort of energetic
resonance when the UFOs want to go there because there's
electromatic source of energy there or resonance there from that
is that disrupting you know, space time and that's why
we have incidents there. You know, it's all floating, it's
all like right there in that's salt order. We're a

(01:07:02):
lot of different sort of ocean currents and stuff. Me
too sort of mean block.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Going on, but yeah, man, that's uh dinosaurs is the
block master's a pleasing a sort of overseeing because of
a distortion of space time to to you know, something
wrong with the electromatic field in a particular area at
some point.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Right, yeah, yeah, well yeah, gee.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
We could keep going for a real long time, but
I think we're uh, we're just about at the top
of the hour here. So as some some some some
closing thoughts, do you have any advice for for people
who want to get into things like bigfoot research, investigation, filmmaking,

(01:07:49):
that kind of thing, because obviously, you know, the more
people that are that are at this stuff, the quicker
we might find some solid evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Well, you know, if you're going into field research, obviously
you want I think the right tools to start with,
the right camera gear, right, if you really want to
get good footage, if that's your goal, you know, what
is your goal? You need to figure out what is
my goal? Do I want good visual evidence of? So
you're gonna need the right footage and you're just gonna
need to park you know, the right equipment, the right

(01:08:20):
tools for the job, and you got to park yourself
in the right place for a long period of time
and try to get something. And that right tool is
a long long lens, the longest lens you can get
on a sturdy tripod. That's going to get you the
shots you need. Now, if you need to fund that,
just shoot wildlife.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
While you're out there and post that quality footage for
stock footage and people will buy your nature stock footage.
Put it on the Instagram or whatever, get on your YouTube,
and then people will love to watch that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
If you have those long lenses, you get that really
beautiful nature shot. That's what nature photography is shoos. So
if you're trying to get a good image of bigfoot,
go look at what nature photographers are using. Go get
on YouTube to see what nature photography to use that. Now,
if you want a greater strategy in order, you know drones,
you know, can you use. Something I'm doing is using

(01:09:10):
the thermal drones to identify a target that's within range
of my long lens, waiting untill I can get to
the right moment, and then hitting it with a bright
spotlight so I can then get the image with the
long lens. That's I I think, I think that's one

(01:09:31):
way to do it, and it's basically like deer spotting,
but using a thermal None of this is actually legal
for animals for shooting, you know, hunting or anything. But
obviously that would be very legal to do for hunting.
But we're just trying to find bigfoot here. So that's
something we've been you know, a tactic. We've been training
on a few other things. Uh, there's not really I say,

(01:09:53):
learn the equipment. If you're trying to just research bigfoot
from like a behind your computer, just chase everything that
read as much as you can. You're gonna find something else.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
And obviously listening to podcasts, you know something's I feel like,
if you're doing something else and you're just listening, you've
got to engross yourself in the subject so much you've
got to just jump down.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
The rabbit hole and let go of the sides. Basically,
I mean, listen to it all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Something's gonna strike you and you're gonna go look somewhere
else for something and just follow keep pulling the threads
there's and don't limit yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
There's no limit to this. It's bigger than you have
a lifetime.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Just this subject. And why I focus on just this subject.
For the most part is that just chasing this is
a lifetime of work. There is already I saw UFO
at nine years old.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
So I'm convinced that whatever that is, it's real, whether
it's government, whether it's you know, refab government, whether.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
It's from something else, interdmensional, whatever that's real, that's happening.
I would like to I feel like there is enough
circumstantial evidence, if you will, to prove this is a
real thing. I feel like I don't have to find
a body.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
I feel like the research already have that I'm gonna
drop throughout the series that I'm producing is enough to
convince any person that there's something to this. I really do.
I think there's enough to it. I mean we're starting
at the beginning of time basically and going all the
way through to modern day and showing you everything that's

(01:11:26):
going on and answering all your debunking questions. And I
really feel that anybody, you know, it takes a lot
of work, and you know you have to do a
lot of those people and be like, you know, explain
to me why these big flots real. I mean, do
you have six weeks? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
How do I put that into a you know, maybe
a total eight hour series or something like that, and
it focused on these different areas. I think everybody will
have a much better idea that this is. There's some
substance to this, there's some significant weight to this shoot
and not only.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Is their way to it, not only is their reality
to it, but there's importance to it for us as
human beings. That is very important to who we are,
and once we can.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Really grasp the bigger picture of it, it answers a
lot of questions about us and where we come from
and also poses a lot of new questions that we
should continue to pursue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Yeah, definitely, definitely. Well thanks for that perspective. Before we go,
can you let my listeners know where to find you online?
Your Kickstarter, social media, all that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Sure. So if you just go to Google, basically search
squatching now, all the pages pop up. Instagram it's squatching now,
just search for it. I mean, it's got some some
spaces in between which you'll find it. TikTok squatching now,
YouTube squatching now, Facebook squatching now. It's it's all those
pages we are read having a new website that'll be

(01:13:03):
squatching out at com Design I'll get I want everybody
just to go to Kickstarter right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
You don't have to support for five dollars. You can
shout out on any or all of our pages, and
then there's various other tiers that you also get a
shout out and compounded rewards and every tier. But just
to check out follow the project. That's where it's going
to be for now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
There will be some stuff exclusive to all the other platforms,
so you can go see little tidbits behind the scenes,
all of that kind of thing. Just stay tuned. That
will be up for about another forty five days, I think,
so most of the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Information around this particular project will be there, other than
little teasers on the social media to send you to
the Kickstarter. But yeah, it's gonna be some cool there's
already some Bond scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Each week, I'll be reallying some different Bond scene stuff,
new footage, new trailers, kind of telling you about the
struggles and everything that goes into this. There's a lot
of work, and there's always logistical aspects that created added
difficulty sort of leads its own show to itself, and

(01:14:15):
trying to do something like this, we run into what
people want to know, what the heck are you doing
with the Bigfoot like they're doing funny things like we
my God really doesn't want to go on and I
understand he doesn't really want to go on any public land,
so I don't want to get shot, right, So we're
having to use a lot of private land, these private

(01:14:36):
land in private land locations, that kind of stuff, so
that we can really lock it down because there's there's
a chance that you know, somebody's like, even even if
they don't think he's Bigfoot, maybe I think it's some
other kind of big, hairy animal, he could get shot.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
So yeah, that is a risk.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yeah, just just uh And if you go to kickstarter
dot com, you can just search masters at the hunt.
You'll find the campaign. You'll find the hype real and
everything else that I'm posting on videos, updates as to
what's going on with the project the next couple of months.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Great, well, we'll make sure to get all that in
the show notes for listeners out there. And Trey, thank
you so much again for coming on the show today.
Great great to chat with you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Yeah, it was fun. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Thanks again to Trey for coming onto the show.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Today.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Definitely check out squatch me now on all of his
social media, his YouTube channel, as well as his kickstarter
for the Masters of the Hunt series. I'll have that
all linked in the show notes. Definitely support his work.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
I hope you liked the hit the ground running style
with this episode and just getting into it for the
new season. I've been reading and listening to your comments
out there, so we're trying out saving updates, shout outs
and all that for the end of the show, just
to see how that works. And the show of course

(01:16:09):
has been on hiatus a little longer than expected, which
is another reason to just get going with it. I
wasn't planning on this big of a break and not
starting the new season four months into twenty twenty five. Well,
life sometimes throsy curveballs, and you got to take with
the bad with the good, I suppose. So thanks for
bearing with me while I've been busy working on things

(01:16:32):
at home. Renovations are still ongoing, but hopefully we'll be
finished up by the end of the year at best,
but who knows. You never know, things can get delayed
and all that. But in the meantime, I've set up
a temporary studio in another spot of my house, aka
my bedroom, so we can just keep things rolling. But anyway,

(01:16:52):
in the Better News department updates. If you don't follow
me on social media, which you should. I'm also going
to be attending Contact in the Desert this year out
in Indian Wells, California, which happens at the end of
May and through the first couple days of June.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
It's this massive event.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
A lot of the big name speakers in the world
of ufology and high strangeness are out there, and they
asked me if I wanted to do a live podcast
during the event interviewing a guest speaker of my choice
for that, which is just wild. I'm still wrapping my
head around it, so stay tuned for that and more updates.

(01:17:35):
They've also connected me with a bunch of other speakers
who are going to be at Contact this year, who
I'm getting a chance to interview in the coming weeks
prior to the event, and there's some big names coming,
so stay tuned. This is going to be out of
this world, quite literally, and I'm so here for it
and super stoked for all of you out there who

(01:17:57):
listened to the show to the check out who I'm
going to be talking to. I just it's you get
a little starstruck sometimes, so it's just it's it's wild.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
So stay tuned for all that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
We're going to be trying to be releasing episodes since
Contact is only like eight weeks away at this point,
and I'm going to be trying to release episodes weekly
leading up to this because there's so many people that
I'm going to be talking to. So yeah, stay tuned
for that. It's gonna be really quite the undertaking, but
it's gonna be awesome. As far as other events lined

(01:18:30):
up for this year, the usual vending stuff, I am
confirmed for Squonka Palooza three in Johnstown, Pennsylvania that's going
to be happening in early August. I'll have more details
in a little bit. And will of course be attending
the next to Whitehall Sasquatch Calling Festival. That's an awesome
event that happens in Whitehall, New York at the end

(01:18:52):
of every September. And I'm hoping to get into Moth
Manifest this year, but we'll see. There's such a long
waiting list, and yeah, most of the the awesome events
are a pretty big distance for me. To travel, but
maybe we can make some things work out for some
other events. But with all the home renovations and how
busy he am this year, my partner is also traveling
a lot for work. Now, I don't think I'm going

(01:19:14):
to be able to attend as many events as usual,
but we'll see what we can work out.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Stay tuned on that front.

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(01:23:18):
I've recently updated the shop with a number of new designs,
with more always being added, so definitely check that out
when you get the chance. I appreciate it so much. Well,
that's all for the regular show today. After this quick
break on Strangeology beyond, Trey was able to hang out
for a good while longer to chat about his UFO

(01:23:38):
Encounter and more on Bigfoot. You won't want to miss it. Also,
it's really great to be back. Thanks guys, So patrons,
stick with me for Strangeology beyond your member's exclusive portion
of the show, and for everyone else until the next time.
Take care of yourselves and each other and keep it
strange s all right, Welcome back members to Strangeology Beyond

(01:25:07):
your exclusive portion of the show. Trey, thanks for sticking
around for a little bit longer. Really glad to have
chatting today.

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