Serpent Mound, Giants & UFOs w/ Mikey Liesner

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be at and more. All right, without further ado, today,
I've got a really cool guest joining me. We've got
Mikey Leisner, one of the co hosts of The Strange
Road podcast. If you've ever gone down the rabbit hole
of ancient Mysteries, high Strangeness, UFOs, cryptids, chances are you've

(02:20):
come across this show as well, especially if you listen
to my show too. Right, So, Mikey's based out of Ohio.
It's a state that's really kind of become infamous for
all sorts of weird happenings, and it's probably more weird
than people realize. And that's exactly the kind of stuff

(02:41):
we're going to be talking about today. And we're going
to be getting into some local legends, strange sightings, mystery drones,
and you know what it's also like because Mike's a
fellow content creator podcaster as well, so we're going to
be talking about what it's like in that that world.

(03:01):
And well, you know, I'm kind of rambling here, but
Mikey and I connected a number of years ago. I
think it was at cryptid Con back in twenty twenty two,
you know, and we've been trying to get some stuff
set up here for a while for him to come
on my show. I've been on his show before. So yeah, Mikey,

(03:22):
I'm glad, glad to finally have you on here today.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know, sometimes it takes a while to get our
schedules to a line. We're so busy with our lives.
But how are you doing.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Today, dude, Jeff, I'm great man. Thank you so much
for having me on. This is awesome. Yes, we did
meet cryptid Con twenty twenty two, and I remember buying
my daughter some Cryptied T shirts. I got my own
T shirt and some stickers. And we had been following
your page when you were doing Instagram during the pandemic

(03:52):
and just loved everything that you were doing and putting
out back then. And then how you've kind of evolved
what you were doing into you know, the merch portal
and all of the podcasts and short form videos. Much
respect to everything Strangeology does. So appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, thanks man.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, it's it's a whole lot of stuff to do,
and it seems like there's an infinite amount of things
to talk about, which is great.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
You know, I'm wondering, you know, what kind of inspired
you to start the Strange Road.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
You know, it's you.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
You've got Bub, you know, and how has the mission
kind of evolved since the early days of the show
to where you are at now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
When we were kids, Bub and I were just real
strange kids into a lot of UFO topics, obsessed with
unsolved mysteries, read voraciously anything we could get our hands
on at the library about go spirits, demonology, you know,
really the UFO topic. Huge fan of the X Files,
but back then, whatn't a lot of things like that,

(04:57):
you know, I'm a huge fan of Josh Gates and
Expedition Unknown and and ancient civilizations and some of those
interests came much later, but the paranormal has always been
a passion of mine. When I was in first grade,
I wrote a report how I wanted to be a
paranor a parapsychologist and go to Duke University. I didn't
really know what that meant, but I knew that Vankman

(05:18):
and the Ghostbusters was a parapsychologist, so I wanted to
be cool Vankman and and in research the unknown.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
So, you know, as I got older, always had a
passion for uh, you know, the strange, the high strangeness stories.
Really just been uh you know, a huge fan of
all the Steven Spielberg movies and goonies and had an
adventurous spirit. And you know, in high school, we you know,

(05:48):
played a lot of sports, but acted and did creative things,
made jewelry, uh, photography, and my mom was a photographer,
and so you know, when I graduated high school, I
was kind of aimless, really in the music scene, going
to festivals like Bonnaru and you know, the local indie scene,
and eventually picked up a camera and started shooting video

(06:11):
and started shooting lots of concerts and then made that
a career for you know, now, way over a decade
of shooting live events and concerts and festivals. But you know,
my goal was never to be the best camera guy.
I wanted to travel around the country and film interesting
stories about the paranormal. You know, I wrote in a

(06:31):
journal when I was nineteen years old that me and
bub would have our own show one day and we
would travel around and interview people and dig into topics
about all these things that I was obsessed with for
all these years. And my interests vary so much, which
is the strange road is kind of in strangeology as well,
is a kind of a perfect umbrella for all things

(06:54):
that interest me. So we shot a lot of amazing
video of the years for other people, and I always
wanted to create something for ourselves, to have our own projects,
to create our own content. And you know, during twenty
twenty the pandemic, we lost all of our live event,

(07:16):
live concerts, All of that work went away, and a
lot of those opportunities. You know, we did a UFO
conference called Dimensions of Disclosure, which is kind of infamous
now that that event was the event with David Wilcock
and Corey Good and and all of the lawsuits and
things that have come out and documentaries about that story

(07:39):
with the guy at TV. So we were on the
ground ground zero when all of that was kind of unfolding.
If some of you guys may have followed the you know,
the the blue chickens and the h and some of
the things that these folks were claiming and really blew
up into this huge following. But we were the livestream
crew for that event and everybody ended up getting sued

(08:01):
after so that whole thing just fell apart, and that
was the summer before COVID. Then boom, we thought we
were going to take over kind of that paranormal live
event space of live streaming. You know, we had our
eyes on Contact in the Desert, We had our eyes
on all these different events to help live stream and

(08:21):
bring because there's not a lot of great footage from
these talks over the years, and if you look at
a lot of these conferences, you won't find much video
from the speakers themselves, and so we thought that was
a big niche that we wanted to film. And by
the way, we could do interviews with all of the
speakers and the talent, so a part of going out

(08:42):
to these events, but we're also capturing interviews for our brand,
which before at that time wasn't even the strange road
yet but we have met so many people from traveling
and filming that by the time we started the Strange
Road in twenty twenty, I probably had the first twenty
five guests already on a list of people I wanted

(09:03):
to talk to, and so, you know the I became
very obsessed in probably about twenty twelve twenty thirteen with
Native American earthworks and ancient mounds in Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia,
all through the Midwest, and became obsessed with, you know,
stories of giant skeletons being found in the burial mounds,

(09:26):
and was just absolutely blown away that I didn't know
anything about this. And I had been to the Temple
of Cuckoo Kaan chichen Itza, I had been to Stonehenge.
I had been to all these ancient places, Chaco Canyon
and New Mexico, you know, hiked all the way through
you know, the Verdi Valley in Arizona looking at petroglyphs.

(09:47):
I had been all over and didn't realize that these
super advanced earthworks and mound structures were in my own backyard.
We didn't learn about them at school. I knew about
Serpent Mountain, had visited that place, but thought all these
other structures were just burial mounds from prehistoric Native Americans

(10:08):
and really didn't understand the scope of everything. So that
brought me down a major, major rabbit hole leading up
to starting The Strange Road, so I was kind of
going on these adventures and meeting people and interested in
all these strange stories that were happening in southern Ohio,
and you know, in interviewing some of these folks like

(10:29):
Jeffrey Wilson. Some of the earlier videos on our YouTube
page are with with Jeffrey and Clifford Mahoody, you know,
Indigenous elders and different people that we were, you know,
talking about star people. And so the pandemic happened. We
started the show, we did four probably six episodes, and

(10:50):
then our production company really took off and we started
gigging and live streaming and all these opportunities because not
a lot of people in town were doing that kind
of work. So the show kind of took a back seat,
and we ended up having to move to a new
office in studio because we had just outgrown all the gear.
We were literally had a cart with all of our

(11:12):
gear piled up on so every day when we walked
into the office, we'd have to pull the cart out
and have it sit in the hallway so we could
actually move around in the office. So we had to
move and we moved to this studio where we shoot
the show now, and this is kind of the master
control that I'm in, and we ended up it took

(11:35):
a while to build out the studio, but we came
back in really October of twenty twenty two. So, you know,
long story short, there's just a lot of and we
can get into some of the things that I kind
of went through, you know, when my mother passed away
and my daughter was born ten days apart. My mother
passed ten days later, my first child was born. So

(11:56):
I got into this discovery trying to understand who I
really was, and it brought me down this path of
kind of from really twenty twelve, getting back in school
when I was in my thirties, learning film and production
and all the Adobe suites and graphic design and sort

(12:19):
of you know, some audio production. But meanwhile I'm I'm
literally like taking a job as going to Sprint stores
and demonstrating these Kiasara waterproof phones, filling up a tube
of water and going into a store and throwing a
phone in this tube of waters show them, Yeah, it's

(12:39):
really waterproof. And this is like a side gig. While
I was in school, But as I was driving around
all over Ohio, I've seen these signs ancient earthworks, earthworks, mounds,
boom boom. So on my lunch I would stop at
all these places and was just blown away by the

(13:00):
size and scope of some of these places, like the
Newark Circle, the Newark Earthwork or you know, Site Mound
or some of these really really advanced, kind of geometrically
aligned to the stars and mathematically perfect and and it
was just shocked that I had never known that this

(13:21):
was in my own backyard. So I got real hooked,
real real hooked, and got myself into some of the
communities that have events, like Friends of Serpent Mound and
the Serpent Mount Star Knowledge Folks which hold events around
that area. And slowly, and again this is all before
I started The Strange Road and started meeting some of

(13:43):
those people and going to their events, and eventually was
able to you know, start landing interviews, and then they
all became guests on the show. And so now we're
kind of we've tried to help them out with video
production and and their events, and we've some live streams,
but it's been That's why it's the strange road, because

(14:06):
it's been a real, real strange path to kind of
get where we to the point where we even started
the show was like overwhelmingly synchronistic, and the weird people
that would fall in our laps or we would run
and come in contact with and it was just like
a really magical time.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man, thank you for the background on
how you got started. I mean, you know, we're kind
of kindred spirits, right, you know, we both grew up
being into weird stuff, UFOs, bigfoot, strange stories, the unexplained
and all that. And even when I was a kid,

(14:46):
I had this thought of maybe having some kind of
like a radio talk show type of thing someday. And
then lo and behold, I lose my job at the
beginning of the pandemic that I had had for the
last thirteen years doing graphic design, and and then I
started a podcast and here we are. But yeah, you know,
I I definitely wanted to, you know, ask you you know,

(15:09):
what are your what are your thoughts about all of
you know, the the mound builder sites in Ohio a
Serpent Mountain. Obviously, you've had Jeff Wilson on your show
a whole bunch of times. I've been meaning to get
him booked at some point soon for this show. Uh,
but you know what, what are some of the people think.

(15:30):
You know, this this Paleo Indian culture that that it's
believed to have built these, but there's some other ideas
that you know, there might be, uh, these these giants,
these old newspaper articles from the eighteen hundreds. You know,
the Smithsonian is in on it, covering up the bones.

(15:51):
You know what do you think of all that?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
It took me a long time to really dig through
all of the to even have an a. And I
still leave all of this very very wide open, right
because you know, it is the eighteen hundreds, there's no Internet.
But in a lot of these sites that you know,
people will point to in these in these whether it's

(16:15):
in it's antiquarian journals. If any of you have ever
been on Google books, you can just go on Google
Books and look up the orient anti antiquarian journals and
you get in there. You can keyword giant skeletons and
you can do this with all these old books and

(16:37):
antiquarian journals were just it was before archaeology was implemented
as a field of study. So these folks were called antiquarians,
and they were just old school like Civil War vets
and kernels that just had this insane sense of adventure.
And a lot of these guys were freemasons, and which

(17:00):
in a roundabout way, is why a lot of theories
are kind of always debunked when it comes to out
of place artifacts like the newer Coli stones, whether it's
the giant skeletons, they're heavily discredited by the Ohio History
Connection and specifically doctor Bradley Lepper, who's the in house

(17:20):
archaeologist and he's Ohio State University. He really goes out
of his way to kind of write articles in the
Columbus Dispatch and really poo poo the people that are
looking into some of these things, like Jim Vieira Hugh
Newman that have written books like Giants on Record about

(17:40):
all of the accounts of giant skeleton reports and local
newspapers town hall reports. I mean it's thousands, We're talking
thousands of reports. I could see a few of these
reports but I've read enough myself and official archives, and
really when I discover Jim Vieira was right around the

(18:02):
time that I started getting into this. Let me just
tell you a story real quick to kind of give
you an idea of how I stumbled upon the topic
of giants in Ohio because and that's what got me
so blown away is because of how I found this out.
So my wife and I she was probably like eight
months pregnant, and we're like, we just need to go

(18:23):
on a hike. We just need to get out into
the in the nature, you know. I was looking into
all these earthworks and working for this Sprint comp for
Sprint demoing these waterproof phones, and I said, let's go
out to this place I've never been. And it's called
Fort Hill. And we go to Fort Hill and they're
giving a tour and back then Spruce Hill, Fort Hill.

(18:45):
I always mix it up, but this was not open
to the public. It was privately owned and they did
one or two tours a year. So we signed up
for this tour and there's Ohio Ranger that's giving the tour,
and we're going through and this they have walled structures
around this whole flat top I mean, it's a hike

(19:07):
to get up on top of this. And some people
are like, well, is it a fortification. Well, there's no
evidence of war. There's no evidence of any battles. And
not only that, but that there were like these processional
gateways through the walls around in between the walled structures.

(19:27):
So you're way up on top of this hill you
have these what seemed to be some kind of stone structure, fortification,
whatever you want to call it, very out of play,
and it's so flat up there that it's just one
big grass meadow with wild flowers and everything else. And
we're going on this tour and this ranger is amazing
and we get to a spot and he says, does

(19:50):
anybody know what this is? And he's holding this yellow
colored rock and basically says, well, this is schlag from
smelting metal. This is ever evidence that they know the
people up here were smelting copper and nickel and different metals.
And I'm thinking, wait, what I thought that was discovered

(20:11):
in you know, the Middle East, in Europe, where you know,
people were smelting metal. I had no idea ancient people
in Ohio were working with metal like boom mine's blown
The guy hands me the slag it's in my hand.
I'm like, this is absolute evidence that this is happening.
This ranger's telling me this isn't some conspiracy. So I'm
blown away. And at the end of in the middle

(20:35):
of the tour, they switch out rangers because it's a
pretty you know, long hawk long haul, So the rangers
swap out and you have a second ranger that comes
in and finishes the tour. So right before the second
ranger comes, the first ranger starts talking about, you know,
there's all kinds of legends about these places and the
earthworks and what they found, and then he stops himself

(20:58):
and says, well, you know what, I probably shouldn't talk
about that. And I'm sitting there going hold on a second,
what are you about to say? And then the range
second ranger comes in that guy takes off. So we
finished this tour with the second ranger. We're going around
it's amazing, beautiful, and we all of a sudden we
hike all the way down to where our cars were
and there's that first ranger and my wife comes up

(21:21):
to him and says, hey, you can't do that. You
just can't you know, prime us up and then walk
away like that, Come on, it's just us, Like, what
do you what were you going to say up there?
What were what is this? These legends about this place?
And he says, well, have you ever heard of the Nephelin?
And I said, you mean, like the Bible giants from

(21:42):
the Bible, Well, yeah, I have. He said, well, people
believe that there were giant people and giant skeletons that
were found in all of these mounds in Ohio. I
was like, what do you mean, Like how many? He goes,
Apparently there's like hundreds of these reports, and I said,
there's no way, there's no way that I did not
know about this in my own backyard. I'm into all

(22:03):
these things, and I'm into ancient civilizations. At this point,
I had been to Chaco Canyon, I had been to
the Temple of Cucka, kan to chichen Itza, a whole
bunch of Mayan places, you know, the Verdi Valley, had
gone through National Historic Petrickcliffe Park and saw the aliens
and weird beings in Petroglyff walls and had documented that,

(22:25):
And so I'm just blown away. I'm like, there's no
way this Ranger has just told me this. So I
just become completely upset. Sure enough, I start going through archives,
town halls, newspaper reports, and I start finding these reports
of giant skeletons, seven to nine foot tall skeletons that

(22:47):
are being pulled out. Not only that, but realizing that
the Smithsonian themselves has actually written field reports about this. Okay,
and I discovered Jim Vieira. Jim Vieira is out in
the Massachusetts and on the Eastern Seaboard, and Jim is

(23:07):
doing his own research. He and this is way before
the Giants on Records TV show on the History Channel.
Jim at this point just has a Facebook group. I
joined the Facebook group, and every day Jim is posting
articles from all over the country. You know, we talk
about the red haired giants and love Lit Cave, all

(23:28):
the really well known kind of giant stories, and he
had those two, but he had ones all over Ohio,
West Virginia. But also you know, giants with double rows
of teeth, and.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know these six fingers.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
The six fingers, all of those things and them being
connected to these stone chambers that you see in New
England and then but in the Midwest, they're connected with
earthworks and mounds, and I just started going, I can't
believe the volume that this guy is uncovering. And so
you know, doctor Bradleood Lepper and these these archaeologists, you

(24:04):
know they can well it's all hoaxes. Of course, you know,
back then, there are so many P. T. Barnum types.
You know, the biggest example of a fake giant is
the Cardiff Giant. And a lot of people that aren't
in the initiated about giant research will point to that
as No, the Cardiff Giant's one hundred percent fake. It's
been debunked. It's completely garbage. And doctor BRADLEYD. Lepper and

(24:28):
all these guys point to this one article, Yes could
he was? That was basically P. T. Barnum had bought
the Cardiff Giant. Like P. T. Barnum himself is wrapped
up into that whole story. But the Smithsonian and themselves,
for example, a great example that I like to talk

(24:48):
about is right here in Ohio is the is the
Miami's Burg Mound. Now, the Miami's Burg Mound is probably
like seventy feet tall. You can still climb up it
to but it looks over the little Miami River and
it's way up on top and it's magical. I mean,
you can see this whole river valley from the top

(25:10):
of this mound. And even when you're not on the mound,
you're still way up so you can see over everything.
This is a magical place, I mean, I think it was.
It was close to one hundred feet tall. At one
point they had dug down into the center. A lot
of times these mounds would get dug up. There was
no best practices. Archaeology didn't even exist when a lot

(25:34):
of people were digging these up, and a lot of
them more like the dentists down the street. That was
a Freemason that was just interested in, you know, the
Lost Tribe of Israel story, and you know, the Masons
were trying to prove that, you know, these lost civilizations
and these like Masonic cultures existed that had high technology.

(25:56):
And then you know, of course the Mormons were completely
obsessed with, you know, the Lost Tribe of Israel, which
is a part of you know, the Golden tablets that
were found in a mountain in New York. A lot
of people don't realize that the Mormons were actually their
main hub foundation was in Ohio, and so you know

(26:16):
a lot of their mythology and stories are connected to
Ohio earthworks and mounds and New York and so forth.
So so you know, there are plenty. What they like
to do is they like to take you know, these
lost tribe of Israel, and oh they'll discredit somebody like

(26:36):
Scott Walter, for example, who's researched the newer Coly Stones.
And for those of you that don't know about the
newer Holy Stones, it's an out of place artifact. The
Back Creek stone is a good example, the colestone. These
are all stones that appear to have ancient writing on them.
Some of them are elaborate, but the newer Coly stone

(26:57):
are absolutely unique compared to the other ones. And I
have this little pamphlet here that's sold in the Johnson
Humrick House Museum in Coshoktan, Ohio, and you can go
to this day. You can go to the Humorck House
Johnson Humrick House Museum and see the newer Coally Stones.
They're under a glass case. They're right there. The originals

(27:22):
and the original journal Ancient America was this magazine that
came out for years and years. It's started in the
eighteen hundreds, but they broke this story about the Newark
Coly Stones first and wrote up this article about John Wyrick,
who was this freemason from the Newark area and he

(27:45):
had discovered basically, there's a few different stones that are
and I can show you pictures from this, but it
was from eighteen sixty to eighteen sixty seven is when
John Wyrick had found the the completion of the stone.
They were in different areas too, but basically there's a

(28:07):
keystone and this is the keystone, which is I think
why why Rick and his friends were very interested in this.
This is the keystone here.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
So on the keystone, the front of it says the
Holy of Holies, and then this one is King on.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Earth here okay, and that's in Hebrew.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
All four sides of the keystone have an inscription. This
right side is the Word of the Lord. Yes, the
word of the Lord. Go back a little bit, there
you go. And then the one on the back is
the Laws of Jehovah. This one is the Laws of Jehovah. Okay.

(28:53):
So when you look at these in person, they are impressive.
I'm not a geologist, I'm not a you know, an
anthemologist archaeologists, but boy, you know to be faked, which
is you know, the story of the newer Coly Stones
isn't just about the stones, but it's about John Wyrick,
and he's this freemason that's trying to prove the Lost

(29:16):
Tribe of Israel, in which I think Wyreck and some
of those guys did believe that story, but he wasn't
obsessed to the point where he was trying to fit
this into that story. Now, now that's how he's discredited
is because they always want to use this Lost Tribe
of Israel belief to discredit anything that's in Ohio. And

(29:40):
so you know, the Sandstone box is a really interesting piece.
So the one that I just showed you there is
the Keystone.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
This is.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
An artifact that is known as the Decalogue Stone. This
is the Decalogue Stone. And there are several inscriptions here
which I can read them to you guys and kind
of show you there. But and again you can see
these in person. Now the Decalogue Stone, interesting enough, is
contained in a sandstoned box that's completely perfectly carved to

(30:16):
house this. This stone goes inside a little tomb, imagine
a little box completely smoothed out to perfectly fit the
Decalogue stone inside. And so these were found in these
earthworks near Newark, Ohio. The Decalogue stone reads the translation

(30:41):
given by Reverend J. W. McCarthy Moses. His words appear
at the head of the image. So over top of
the image, who brought thee out of the land of
Egypt and out of the house of servants? I am Jehovah,
thy God. There shall not be the gods other than
me before Thou shalt not make thyself a graven image.
Thou not bow down to them or worshiped them. It's

(31:03):
the Ten Commandments. So the Ten Commandments were written on
this stone. And you know it's been heavily debated back
and forth. And you know, doctor Bradley Lepper and all
these folks throughout throughout time have really piled on this story.

(31:23):
It's a fake. It's known as a fake. I'm not
so sure about that. I went there myself a few
years back just to see it and photograph it. And
you know, I was by myself and the lady down
at the front desk. There's nobody there, like absolutely, and
I'm like, this is my chance that American journal I
wonder because they have photocopies of the original story of

(31:46):
John Wyrick, And you can find these copies of the
story that's written in the Ancient American Journal. And so
I'm like, well, they have photocopies, I wonder if they
have the original. So I got downstairs and I asked
this lady, Hey, you got the original American Ancient America Journal.
She said, well, yeah, we do. Actually, I go, oh, wow,

(32:07):
really I would love to see that if I could.
She goes, oh, no, you'll never be able to see that.
I go, really, why is that? She's like, well, it's
in the basement. I said, do I need to get
some kind of permission to schedule ahead of time to
like get down there, like I want to see this thing?
And she goes, no, it would take probably it would

(32:29):
take an act of Congress for you to get down
there and see that original And I thought, why the secrecy,
Why would you? Why would it be that difficult for
someone like me that's interested in this stuff to be

(32:49):
kept because the photo copies you cannot read their garbage.
It's a terrible copy. So I'm sitting there going like,
I can't even read this story. You have this display,
I can't even read the story fully, which you know
later on I got a chance to read the digital version,
but I thought, wow, how cool would it be to
have an original copy from like eighteen I think it

(33:10):
was the eighteen seventy in the eighteen seventies when that
article came out. No, it would take an Act to Congress.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
So these kind of things that I've come in contact
with and the stories that you hear, there's a lot
of things that add up, especially with the Ohio history connection,
and and you know some of the things that have
you know, been made aware of of how some of
the sites are handled, and digs that have happened where
artifacts were recovered, Like in Serpent Mound, they dug a

(33:42):
trench for a water line and it was like, I
don't know, one hundred yards and the whole trench uncovered
over one hundred thousand artifacts. Oh wow, these artifacts were
put in a box. And the only reason that we
know that these artifacts or that that dig ever happened
is because a masters student in the mid nineties discovered

(34:06):
these artifacts and wrote her thesis, her master's statement thesis
about the uncovering of these artifacts, and her whole conclusion
is why am I the one writing about these artifacts?
Why has no one ever researched them. They've never been

(34:27):
cleaned up, they've never been analyzed, they've never been scanned,
They've never been written about. There is one other guy
that was I can't remember his name, but he was
from maybe the Peabody Museum or maybe the former director
of Ohio History. It's Ohio History Connection now, but it
used to be Ohio Historical Society, and so you know,

(34:49):
the guy that used to run that kind of got
tricked into admitting that those artifacts were there. So there's
a huge battle of this constant struggle of trying to
discredit people like Thomas Johnson and Jeffrey Wilson and Ross Hamilton,
who Jim Vieira and Hu Newman and a lot of

(35:09):
these guys that were giants researchers all give homage to
Ross Hamilton. Ross Hamilton from Mason, Ohio is what I
call the og giant researcher. I've interviewed him several times.
I've spent time with him in his home. I met
him going back years ago with a talk that him
and Jeffrey Wilson did together. You know, about Jeffrey's more

(35:31):
of your like, if I don't have the receipts and
the evidence, I'm not going to talk about it. And
Ross has more of I would say, a spiritual philosophy
and a lot of his information comes through like meditation
and the ether. And you know, he had a guru
in India and he gets a lot of his information

(35:52):
from the ethereal world. And so you have a lot
of people over the years and have you know, always
given their props to Ross Hamilton when it comes to
the and he called them the tall Ones. And lately
you've been hearing some uap UFO discussions about these groups

(36:14):
called the tall Ones that have been that are starting
to come out through whistleblowers and so forth. So man,
like I uncover this little thing, that little thing in
over ten years, there's things that just add up where
I have to scratch my head and say there's something
to this. The hundreds of articles alone that I've read

(36:36):
in town Hall reports, and I almost forgot the Miami's
Burg Mound story that I kind of was rambling there
a little bit. But back to the Miami's Burg Mound
real quick. There was an eight foot tall eight to
nine foot tall skeleton that was reported. The Smithsonian was

(36:56):
called out. The Smithsonian wrote in their own feel journal
that the townspeople had put this thing up on display
at the town hall and hundreds of people were in
line viewing this giant. And it's written about in their
field journal. The Cincinnati Inquirer wrote about it. The Dayton
Daily News wrote about it. All of the Ohio. It

(37:19):
picked up and went all over the wires of of
that whatever the AP News was back then. The Smithsonian
themselves wrote about this. It was on display. Everybody had
written about this giant. And in the artifact Copper Gorge's
very advanced jewelry, these like breastplates like you see the

(37:40):
Egyptians wear. These are really common to be found in
these in these earthworks with giant stone tools. The anomalies
go on.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
And on and on.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Jeff, I mean I could sit here and talk to
you for five hours about this stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, it's it's crazy when you look into it, you know.
I long time ago, I did a couple couple of
research based episodes for the show, which if you're new
to the show, go back and listen to them. But
it's like part one, Part two, tracing the trail of
ancient giants.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And you know, Jeff, Jeff, I could go on and
on about this stuff, and we could literally have a
five hour podcast and it wouldn't even scratch the surface
on not only just the earthworks and the mounds and
the giants, but how UFOs, encryptids and portal areas are
all connected with you know, the area of Serpent Mound

(38:34):
and and other these places that are you know, high
strangeness locations.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know it's it's it's strange that
there's so so much of an effort to you know,
discredit a lot of this stuff. And certainly there there
are made up stories, right, and we have to take
that into account when when researching this stuff. When someone

(39:01):
as prominent as like Graham Hancock, who is obviously wildly
discredited by the academic community, gets banned from even going
to Serpent Mound, you know, you gotta wonder, like, what's
going on there?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
You brought it up. I tried not to. This is
a hot button topic. We were kind of right in
the middle of all that unfolding. Jeffrey Wilson was on
episode six of Ancient Apocalypse season one, which was the
episode they covered Serpent Mound, Graham Hancock. We had all
of the behind the scenes screen captures of emails that

(39:39):
they had written him approved filming. Netflix crew hired. You
know what crew production. You need a director, you need camops,
you need audio engineers. You got a crew of people.
You're not going to Ohio to film at Serpent Mount
unless you have permission, right, So they have all these
people coming in. Jeffrey Wilson's hosting Graham and the crew.

(40:00):
They get there the morning of and the gate is closed.
Graham looks at his phone and sees this email basically
breaking down. Because of your beliefs about the history of
this place, you are not welcome here and filming has
been disapproved. Not only that, not only were they not
allowed to film, they weren't even allowed to go on

(40:20):
the property. Wow, okay, So they had to film all
the interviews at Jeffrey Wilson's house, which Jeffrey lives right
next door to Serpent Mount. Convenient for someone that's obsessed
completely with Serpent Mound, for sure. And so you know,
there was a lot of effort even afterwards when the
controversy kind of broke leading up to the release of

(40:42):
Graham's show. You know, you had employees that were being
lied to. They were being told one thing, and and
you know, because a lot of people were coming there
just to see what the heck happened, and and you know,
they were fed a line to give people at the
parking lot booth. And so it's one of the big

(41:07):
reasons why I think the Ohio History Connection is the
corporation that basically banned Graham and would not allow him
to film. They are a corporation, they don't have anything
to do with the government of Ohio. They're funded by very,
very big donors. I'm not going to mention any names
because I'm not trying to get a whole lot of

(41:28):
enemies just yet. But there are some things that I've
been forced to speak out against here in the last
year and probably gonna you know, because our names starting
to get thrown into things that are being written in
archaeology journals, you know, with with interviews we've done with
Jeffrey Wilson and his group Friends of Serpent Mound, and

(41:48):
like I mentioned earlier, the Serpent Mount Star Knowledge Folks, which,
by the way, Friends of Serpent Mound was started because
OHC or the Corporation Ohio History Connection could no longer
ford to keep up the property. So the local people
bound together and mowed the grass, cut the tree limbs,

(42:10):
raked the leaves, kept the park going for many years
when OHC was broke, so Ark of Appalachia for many
years after friends of Servant Mount essentially had rescued this
place started by Bev Delsi, Jeffrey Jeffrey Wilson, Delce Wilson

(42:32):
Delci's mother, Bev, she owns a lot of the property
around Serpent Mound, and her husband was, you know, a big,
big part of like starting all of these events. And
it was literally community outreach to save this amazing place.
And so it wasn't for the locals like Tom and
Terry from House of the Tom and Terry's Alternate Universe

(42:57):
rock Shop and House of Fake Cops. Any of you
guys ever go to Serpent MOUNTA, you got to go
to Tom Johnson's rock Shop first. I always send people
there first. It's in Locust Grove, seven miles down the road.
Tom will tell you exactly every place to go in
every strange area, and we'll give you the whole backstory
of everything you want to know, and he'll be there.

(43:20):
You show up. Tom is always at the rock shop.
There's a giant sasquatch carving of an old tree, a
mother sasquatch and a child sasquatch and they have a
huge you can't miss it. It's a huge eagle with
a serpent in its claws. So two big giant tree carvings,
and so you know, they have totally turned their back

(43:43):
on these people, these communities. They rescued the place. Now
OHC has done everything in their power to cancel the
ceremonies that used to be done there. The Serpent Mount
Star Knowledge folks in particular, have brought indigenous call cultures
from the Maori in New Zealand, to South American cultures,

(44:04):
to tribal people in the Hopie and the Zooni all
over the world. You know, Indigenous people from Australia and
you name it, the Dogon have been there because they
bring these folks in and then they take them to
Serpent Mount and they all do these beautiful ceremonies for years.
The Lighting of the Serpent on the winter Solstice is

(44:24):
an event that friends of Serpent Mount did where they
luminaries and they light the whole outside of the Serpent
and light it all up. Cancel OHC took over when
they're pushing for World Heritage Site. All of the everything
got taken over from Ark of Appalachia. Yea and the

(44:44):
guys that used to run it. Man, they would let
us film after hours, they would we filmed interviews at
Serpent Mount. You can't film there. You can't get approval
even PBS. PBS cannot get approval to film that.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Heck, that's crazy. Why, Jeff ye would they.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Not want anyone filming there? Because they can control the narrative,
They can control the history and the flow of information period.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, And you know that's you know, people
people always ask why, you know, well, why would why
would you know, all these institutions want to cover up
something that would be such a huge discovery and a
new understanding of our origins, the history of humanity, this

(45:37):
lost chapter that Graham Hancock always talks about, you know,
And yeah, it's it's a narrative control. And I think
there's some stuff in there that talks about who we
are as a people that that might, you know, the
powers that be might not want the regular layperson to

(45:59):
really know about. You know, it's a system of control,
I think.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
But yeah, and the and the academics use all the
same tactics and cancel culture that you see on the
highest level. You're a racist, You're a you're a cultural appropriator.
You know, people like Ross Hamilton and some of these folks.
You know Terry rivera from She's Native American, she's from
the you know, from south of the border, indigenous bloodlines. Uh.

(46:27):
You know Terry As she's the grandmother that has brought
all these cultures and indigenous people from all over the world.
And you know they call her a racist, a cultural appropriator.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
You know people like Ross Hamilton. You're not allowed to
research Serpent Mount. You're not allowed to talk about it,
you're not allowed to do you're not even allowed to
be interested in it. We've been called racist, We've been
called cultural appropriators for doing an event that talks about
archaeo astronomy at Serpent Mound, Ross ham Hamilton and us.

(47:01):
It was like, hey, you guys don't even know anything
about me. First of all, you know, we've been we've
been written up in archaeology journals recently, very very recently.
You know, there will be a response. I'm at the
point where there has to be a response, and the
only thing we're trying to do is give these and

(47:22):
you want to call them alternative researchers, non mainstream because
a lot of the folks like Jeffrey Will he's not
an archaeologist. He's got a physics background. He used to
work for NASA. He's got to light our background, he's
got to scan. The guy's a scientist. You put his
massive brain on any subject that he's passionate about. Oh,
he's gonna find all the receipts. The problem is you

(47:45):
can't debate somebody like Jeffrey, or even Thomas for that matter,
when it comes to a lot of these things because
they don't have the historical background and haven't done the research. Now,
you can be an archaeology, but you might not have
been digging into the Peabody Museum archives in Harvard like
Jeffrey has for the last six seven years, which is

(48:07):
you know, his research with the Serpent Mountain Giant and
the postcard that was found in that collection and the
whole and you can check out the full video on
our YouTube page. It's one of the first videos we
ever put out is basically there's a skeleton and a
postcard from the eighteen hundreds that says seven foot tall

(48:29):
skeleton at Serpent Mount and that's all it says. And
he's like, whoa, what is this? So Jeffrey being Jeffrey
goes into this absolute crazy deep dive and finds an
artifact that's in the photo and says, hmm, I'll bet
you we could measure it based off of how large
that artifact is. So you know what he does. He

(48:51):
finds the artifact, he finds all the documents, he gets
the measurement, and then scales the photograph to the size
of the article fact and then basically used that as
a scale and says, yeah, it's actually probably larger than
seven feet tall because the shin bones have been lopped off.
That skeleton was seven feet tall and it was missing

(49:12):
some of the bones. So that's all that video was about.
It wasn't about claiming that giants were real and there's
this whole fantastical ancient civilization and it's all Atlantians and
Aliens and all these things. No, it was just here's
a postcard that we found, This is the caption, this
is the size according to the artifact and it's all

(49:35):
very research scientific and it's not claiming anything. But then
you get this video gets used as an example of
how these groups are pseudoscientists and they're racists and they're
this and they're that. It's like, man, we're just interested
in this. We're not allowed to look into it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, you know, such a such a
b I don't know the better words to describe it,
but it makes me angry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, why can't
we ask questions? You know, Uh, it's uh, it's it's crazy,
it's crazy. Well, I wanted to uh to shift gears

(50:19):
a little bit here, and we were talking a while ago,
you know, when the show was on break and you
reached out to me and you wanted to talk about
a drone sighting back when all of the stuff was

(50:40):
going on over in New Jersey and the surrounding states.
And well, it seems like I've been hearing recently that
that there's still some strange phenomena going on up in
the skies, even though you know, the was it the
press secretary for the White House came out a couple

(51:01):
of weeks after you know, Trump was sworn in and
they're like, oh, it was just FAA approved stuff. Nothing
to see here, which is clearly there's more than that
going on. I'm sure, but you know what happened?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
What did you see?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
So there's a really and this did not make news
anywhere national. It made major local news in the county
that Bubb and I grew up in Mercer County. Let
me just lay the groundwork of this happened in late
January over a period really, I've been told a month,

(51:40):
but the ramp up was about three solid days that
this all unfolded in a major way in about late December,
as the New Jersey drone thing was kind of petering
out a little bit in the news, and you know,
around the holidays, people are busy. You know, by early day, Anuwary,
the New Jersey drone story had really really cooled off.

(52:03):
But that in that moment is when the drones and
strange craft started being seen in Mercer County, Ohio. And
these they were doing really low flies. And these are farmers,
These are working people, factory workers specifically. They were hanging
around farms more than not, or egg producing farms, massive

(52:31):
chicken farms that were producing eggs. And this might your
spidy senses might already be going off. There's been a
lot in the news about you know, we're kind of
through it now, but you know, the last few months,
there's been a massive shortage of eggs. Egg prices went
through the roof. And this is one of the reasons

(52:55):
why I believe the egg prices that nobody wanted to
talk about were so expensive and started to kind of
get in the news a little bit, is because Mercer
County and Dark County, Ohio, are the top egg producing
counties in Ohio but also the United States. Now, these
egg farms are highly, highly advanced, massive buildings that are

(53:20):
are our computer programmed with AI and so you know,
you have one building, one farm that might have a
million birds in it. So there's many, many, many of
these these chicken farms all over Dark County, in Mercer County,
and so probably in you know, early January, late December,

(53:41):
you started hearing around the town and the folks that
I interviewed were filming them on their phone. It wasn't
on the community's radar, but a lot of people were
seeing weird things in the sky that looked like drones.
And there's the only reference is New Jersey and like, well,
we're in mersh County, Ohio, why would there be drones here?
So nobody really took it seriously, but a few people

(54:03):
started filming them every single night in the sky around
their farm, and I did talk to them. We did
a whole episode about this and did a really deep dive.
So I'm going to give you guys the cliff notes.
But that episode of Strange Happenings was a few months back,

(54:23):
and so in January twenty sixth, which was a Sunday
or the twenty seventh, is when a whole bunch of
folks started seeing massive drone swarms flying over their farms.
When I say massive, I say fifty to eighty drones

(54:44):
at a time were coming in formation. Now, the gentleman
that I interviewed was a former military very well respected
in the community. Didn't want his name used, but I
recorded and then inscribed an interview and basically read back
what he encountered, along with many other farmers that had

(55:07):
four or five of them sitting up one hundred feet
above their farm. They're right there, and they're huge. They're
the size of limousines. Some of them they're the size
of VW buses and nobody could figure out where they
were coming from. They were literally coming.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
The first night there was a get together some kind
of a fish fry chicken fry, where the farmers all
started to talking, Hey, have you seen this? Yeah, well
actually I did. I saw that, And and then you
know a lot of the guys like, okay, whatever, and
the very next night it would happen at their farm.
Oh my gosh, you were right, I'm seeing these things too.
So it starts going around and this this Facebook group

(55:48):
called Homegrown Tones. It's really interesting idea that these guys had.
They take scanners and then integrate the technology into audio
form and text transcripts, and then feed those transcripts. They
do a livestream on YouTube where you can listen to
police scanner fire scanners and kind of understand what's all

(56:09):
going on in the area. But it'll post in text
to this Facebook group. So you started having all of
these scans coming through the police stations of people calling
the police over these three night period, calling the sheriff department,
and Homegrown Tones was right there reporting live all of

(56:30):
these reports coming in about these giant drones, super advanced.
Some of them didn't make noises. You know, they would
come in at dusk almost every single night, right before
the sun comes down. You're talking five thirty pm, and
then there's three hours where these things are all over
the place. Dude, and you've got, like I said, you've
got really reliable folks. And so I started calling friends.

(56:55):
I had heard about it on by Monday, I you know,
did a couple off the record interviews with friends, and
they're like, hey, you need to go talk to Chris Neeecamp.
Chris Neecamp is a former sheriff. He's a four h advisor,
he's a hunter, he's you know, he's, you know, an
upstanding citizen in the community. And Chris started a Facebook

(57:18):
group that was Mercer County Dark County uap drone Sidings
where people started posting videos. Thousands of people started joining
this Facebook group, Jeff and and posting it's still there.
You could you know, you can go and look at
these videos right now, It's still there. You had people
in Mendon, Ohio they had a plasma This woman filmed

(57:40):
a plasma ball that was wild man, and I couldn't believe.
So I ended up getting my nephew who lives in
Saint Mary's and I got on the road probably Tuesday night.
We got there a little late in the game, and
by Tuesday night the drones were ever where I couldn't

(58:00):
get back in time enough. I had a bunch of
camera gear, audio equipment. We were going to do interviews,
and then we did a podcast episode with and I
collected all this information and we did a show, and so,
you know, we had actually coming into Saint Mary's to
pick up my nephew. I see this big giant light
and it's kind of just hovering. I'm like, that's not
a star. That thing has just been sitting there. It's

(58:23):
not a plane. It's not coming near me, it's not
moving away from me. What is this thing? Yeah, and
I'm tracking it all the way in. I pick him up.
I go, dude, what is that in the sky? What
is that? And we're like, I don't know. So he
jumps in the car. We start driving towards this thing.
We're driving, we're driving next thing. You know, We're we're
all the way out near Solino, Ohio, out in the country,

(58:43):
and this thing's just slowly Finally, once we get to
a gat, I go, man, this thing's going to disappear
on us. I jump out, I pop out the sticks,
I pop out the camera, and I start trying to
track this thing. Now, I don't have super long lens,
a super massive zoom. I've got a little camcorder that's
got like one twenty x zoom and so I'm getting

(59:04):
in there. But this thing's moving right. So, you know,
you operate a camera, it's hard to catch that focus.
People always say, well, there's so many cameras now, you
think we would have all this UFO evidence of cell
phones in this and that the lights are this big,
they're tiny. And to try as a professional camera operator
to try to follow a little light in the sky

(59:24):
and find that focus as it's either moving away from you,
because the only way to do it is to manually
find the focus on these big zoom lenses. And it's possible,
but even someone like myself the really advanced tripod, a
really advanced camera rig, it's very very difficult to film
these things, and especially with your iPhone because it's just
a little tiny dot in the sky. Now, there were

(59:47):
videos of these drones, these big ones, flying low and
you could see those really really well. Yeah, but by
the time we had gotten there, an army, a black
Hawk helicopter and a C seventeen aircraft was deployed from
Wright Patterson Air Force Base and they were jamming the signal,

(01:00:09):
but it finally appeared and next thing you know, all
the drones boom. They go up to high elevation. The
Blackhawks in the C seventeen that third night scared them off.
So by the time we got there, they were We
could see them everywhere. Man, they were very difficult to
film though. So we go through and next thing you know,

(01:00:32):
I'm hearing there's a v and bird flu all over
these farms. They just killed a million birds they just open.
Now it's five million, Ope, now it's ten million. By
Thursday it was twenty million. I think it was fifty
between Dark County and Mercer County. All of the farmers
believe that bird flu was being sprayed on their farms

(01:00:55):
from the drones. That's why we lost all the eggs,
and eggs spiked and prices and no one would talk
about it, not even Trump, because you had two of
the top producing a counties in the country being hit
by some sort of attack. I don't know. I can't
prove this I'm just telling you what the people that

(01:01:16):
I interviewed when the bird flu shoot showed up the
same exact time these drones showed up, you had reports
of spray coming out of the back of these things.
I saw a video where the moon was behind it,
and you could see this halo effect, a diffusion effect
of something coming out of this thing and lighting up

(01:01:39):
this kind of foggy halo through the moonlight. And that's
what I was told. Film them behind them when the
moon's behind if you can see that spray. Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's so sketchy. That's so sketchy. I mean
that also makes me think. I mean I also heard
about people seeing, you know, something coming out of the
drones elsewhere. But it also makes me think about, you know,
the weird, uh, the mystery fog that showed up around

(01:02:09):
the same time, like early January, that was like rolling
in into different cities all all over the country. And
I actually I got I got a big like community
guidelines violation for even talking about that on social media,
and it was like, oh, maybe there's something to this,

(01:02:29):
but I guess I can't talk about it. Yeah that's
so wild. Yeah, yeah, so you know, Obviously, there were
a whole bunch of theories about these drones, and you
mentioned like the plasma, the plasma ball, the plaza, the
whole plasmoids thing got kind of like, uh, pretty well

(01:02:49):
talked about for sure. You know, there was that one video,
uh I think it was in like Arizona. I think
it was like near Phoenix and someone was filming this
this light ball up in the sky and then they
see a drone that you could tell it was a
drone it was. It was some kind of conventional thing

(01:03:12):
that went up to it, and then it just dropped
out of the sky like it got taken out by
this plasmoid. It's like, what's going on? And you know,
we still don't know exactly what happened, but clearly it
seems like there may have been some other kind of
intentions happening if this was our tech or what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
You know, I mean, And you had politicians. The sheriff
had to make a statement like this built up so
much that Bernie Moreno, the brand new Senator of Ohio
that just won in November, had to come out and
release a statement. They were getting so much pressure on
the on the f there's a basically like a federally
run farmers Association that's in every real county in America,

(01:04:01):
and the FSA, I want to say, uh, they were
told get this, that the Department of Agriculture, which by
the way, didn't even have a head at this point,
that the head of the department, he had not been
appointed by Trump yet. The Department of Agriculture was told
to tell the FSA offices that PETA was responsible for

(01:04:22):
the drones. They blamed it. They tried to blame it
on PETA. One hundred percent of real memo that came out.
I saw the memo. I've interviewed people. They were told
this by the Farmers Association offices that PETA was the

(01:04:42):
one responsible. Interesting, it's so bizarre. Are none of it
makes sense? But you know, the Congress people, the sheriff,
they all had to make statements. They pushed Trump to
like investigate it. There was a lot of people super worried.
I mean, you have you can't ensure animals. Now you
can ensure crops. But what I found was if you

(01:05:03):
have all these chickens, these farmers, dude, they're screwed. You
know how long it takes to get from chick to
chicken and say what you want about you know, factory
farming and this and that. I'm not a big fan
of it myself, but you know where I grew up,
that's just you know, that's how people make their living.
And then now there's shot these giant farms and every

(01:05:28):
single big farm got hit with bird flu. And not
only that, but they made them quarantine and euthanized every
single bird. The farmers like, hey, I can contain this.
You don't have to kill my whole flock to it. Nope,
you're ordered to kill all million birds. And by the
end of it's like twenty five million, thirty million birds
between the two counties.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Yeah, that's unbelievable. That's insane. That's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Yeah, and we wonder why.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I mean, obviously there's a lot of factors as to
you know, why why the price of eggs and poultry
has gone up. And do you remember was that year
twenty twenty four or twenty twenty three, I can't remember now,
but it seemed like every week there was like a

(01:06:17):
new food processing plant that had caught on fire. Sure,
and it was like one after the other. There's just
like tons of them. And then there's like news articles
that come out there like, oh no, this is like
a regular thing that happens, Like what really, really, I
don't know, I guess sure, Yeah, there's a lot of

(01:06:39):
weird stuff going on out there, man, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
And you know we I've a Megamun elder from main
friend that I've been I met at the UFO disclosure
I talked about earlier. We interviewed him. You know, he
kind of had to go and hiding a little bit
for some of the things that he was coming out
with and the kind of had to take himself out
of a public view. And we actually she witnessed some
of this stuff go down, and we're kind of on

(01:07:03):
the close outskirts of watching this unfold. We were okay,
we weren't necessarily, you know, a part of anything that
he was doing necessarily, but we were trying to get
some information out and that's why we hit it off
at dimensions of disclosure. And he had talked about in
this interview with a gentleman about all this information that

(01:07:26):
he had, but nobody pays attention, nobody listens. You know,
I have this hard drive full of all this data,
but people only concerned about waiting for the other person
to stop talking so they can start talking. So then
the interviewer just goes okay, interesting, moves on, doesn't ask
him what's on the hard drive? So I'm going next

(01:07:50):
to interview him for our project. This is we were
just it's for a documentary called Majestic twelve. It's on
Amazon and had Corey Good, David Wilcock, all these folks.
It was that was the this documentary was that was
made about Corey Good and some of these folks that
you know, was centered around these documentaries and these you know,

(01:08:11):
the guy a TV show and some of this stuff.
But we were actually if you look at the IMBD
credits Strange Road before we were Strange Road, we're all
on the IMBD credits of that film, dude. And because
we were b cam and we use audio, my buddy
was the DP for just those interviews that were being
conducted for the film at dimensions of disclosure because they

(01:08:32):
had all these guys out there and and so, uh,
you know, and then he gets to then I get
to interview this gentleman next, and and we go through
the interview and then afterwards, I go, hey, what about
that hard drive. What's on that flash drive? Is there
something we can see?

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
He goes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Meet me downstairs in five minutes. So I'm like, all right,
this is weird. Uh So I go downstairs and he said, hey,
can you do me a favor? I said sure. He said,
can you give me five numbers by the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
End of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
And I'm thinking, Okay, this Migma Elder is he's a
weird guy. But I knew who he was because I
had heard him on podcasts, and I wanted to meet
him because, you know, he claims that he has these
ancient copper scrolls that are twenty five thousand years old,
and the Migma Elders have been holding onto this and
he's the steward of these ancient scrolls. And I was like, wow,

(01:09:22):
this is crazy. I want to meet this guy. I
want to interview this guy. So, you know, he says,
can you give me seven seven numbers? So later that day,
I think about my seven numbers. I go down there,
I write him down, give him to him. I give
him to his wife and she opens up this folder,
looks at my numbers, looks at something else in the folder,

(01:09:43):
looks over here, looks down, looks over at him and
shakes her head. It's what is going on? And then
he said, mate, can you please have a seat? I
said sure, Like where is this going? So I sit
down and he says, how did you acquire these numbers?
I said, well, I don't know. I just they're numbers

(01:10:04):
that I've always enjoyed. I've always had around my life.
And they were like random like seven, twenty three, fifty eight,
twenty seven, thirty three, you know, just just like magic
numbers that I've always loved. Fifty eight my football number.
Twenty seven was Bubb's football number, seven eleven. Whatever they were,

(01:10:25):
I haven't written down somewhere. And he says, well, you understand,
like how you've I've told one hundred and twenty people
to give me seven numbers, but for whatever reason, you're
the only person that's gotten all seven of them correct.
How did you do that? I go, I don't know.
I just you asked for seven numbers. He goes, Usually
people give me like one and four and seven and

(01:10:47):
eight and nine, but you've given me like fifty eight.
So I'm like, I don't they're numbers. He does exactly,
like that's the point. Most people just give him like
one through ten, and so you know, I kind of
go down the line with this guy, like what is
going on here? And he basically says, you know, it's

(01:11:10):
kind of like some test. I still don't understand what
that interaction was all about, but that showed him that
he could, you know, divulge information to me. So you know,
he has all this information, which by the way, we're
kind of still trying to get out. But essentially I
learned that, you know, he has been putting up mylar

(01:11:31):
balloons in the sky and and monitoring like essentially going
up into the stratosphere with these balloons. They're not weather balloons,
and this technology that's integrated into them is you know,
some of the technology, and the copper scrolls is encoded architecture, technology, science, history,
the Great Flood, the stories, the myths are all in

(01:11:54):
these cops. So you can get how to build a
temple is in there, how to create a black diye,
and a vacuum is in there. Apparently who knows. It's
a lot of things that I'm like, I kind of
gave up trying to verify. But it's just like he's
so cool and interesting that I'm like, Okay, we'll just
going to see where all this goes. But you know,

(01:12:16):
I got him kind of on the phone with some
of these folks from back home where all this drone
thing was going on, and you know, one of the
things he told us is like, hey, it's you know,
he believes it's foreign bad actors that are coming in here,
and so they're not ours, and that there's factions of
different groups that have this technology, and they're all kind

(01:12:38):
of flexing their muscles, going hey, well and if we
shoot them down and we bring him down, then it
could cause a panic. So they kind of just let
all this go. Whether it's New Jersey, whether it's Mercer County,
whatever it is. This whole phenomenon is kind of just like, well,
if we do something about it, then we're going to
have to show her hand and admit that there's all

(01:12:59):
this crazy technology, right, and if they have to admit that,
they have to admit that they've ruined people's lives to
cover all of it up, and that fossil fuels actually
don't work, and we have free energy and we have
you know, electro gravitic craft and all these things, which
was a hot button you know from Matthew Leibelsberger and

(01:13:19):
you know the whole incident with the cyber truck where
he claimed that, you know, these drones were China, and
that's what some of the people that I've come in
contact with actually believe. I don't want to get you
banned from YouTube, but some of this stuff is pretty
like pretty taboo online in certain platforms, right, yeah, yeah,

(01:13:42):
you gotta be careful, so feel free.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
But yeah, we'll see, we'll see what makes the cut, man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yeaheesh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Well, hey, we're at the top of the hour here, Mikey.
This has been a really fun conversation. We could talk
for hours, I'm sure, but you know, before we go,
can you let my listeners know where they can find
you online?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Absolutely. You can find us on Instagram, TikTok, X. We
post full episodes on X and YouTube. We do YouTube premieres.
We live stream bi weekly. We have a show called
Strange Happening, So subscribe to our YouTube channel you'll get
all those notifications. Follow us on X. We're doing short
form videos on X, TikTok Instagram reels. So if you

(01:14:34):
like that kind of content, Jeff, you're literally the top,
the top dude in that world. So we were always
checking your stuff out and at the Strange Road everywhere
and check us out, come hang out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Yeah awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Oh and also, do you have any upcoming events that
you'll be going to this summer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Yes, we're hoping to do the Ohio Big at Jamboree,
but we're trying to do a little bit of traveling
and back on boots on the ground doing more documentary
style videos. So it's going to take up a lot
of our time this summer. So the events we've kind
of had to slim down a little bit this year,
but we'll be out there keeping keep your eye out

(01:15:19):
and come say hi.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Awesome, great, Well, thank you again Mikey so much. This
has been awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Jeff, you're the man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Thank you, Yeah, thank you, thanks brother, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
All right, thank you again to Mikey Leisner for coming
on the show. This episode was so much fun and
it was actually recorded back in April of this year,
twenty twenty five, and with all the prep work that
I had to do for contact in the desert getting
ready for the presentation, I gave all the interviews that

(01:16:00):
were happening which are coming up in the next several episodes,
so stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
For that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
But I've got to give a huge additional shout out
to Mikey for helping me out at Contact in the Desert.
He didn't know at the time whether or not he
was going when this interview happened. He had received an
invite from Bill Homan, the Crystal Skulls guy, to be
a guest, and he wound up actually coming out and

(01:16:28):
we were able to hang out, and he had brought
some video gear that he was going to be filming
for Bill during Contact in the Desert, and he actually
came out at least for two of the days. He
had to leave on Sunday because he had a work
gig on Monday. He couldn't stay for the whole event,
but he was a huge help with helping me get

(01:16:50):
some really high quality video of several of the interviews
at least.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
And just kind of being a fly on the wall
for me. And yeah, just be in a hype man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Yeah, Mikey is an incredible dude and you definitely need
to check out his show. His links will be in
the show notes. But anyway, thank you again so much
for listening to the show and hanging out today.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Again.

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(01:21:42):
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So if you're gonna be at that event. If you're
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(01:22:02):
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I'll be able to fit in one more show this year.
I'm not sure, but this has been a lot of
stuff going on, as I've mentioned in previous episodes, with

(01:22:25):
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busy schedule and haven't been able to get away as
often as we'd like, as often as usual. But hopefully
next year we can remedy that and I can get
out to some more events. So definitely mark those on
your calendar and yeah, it's gonna be a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Well that's all for me for now. For the regular show,
Mikey was able to hang out for quite a while
longer to talk about more high strangeness in Ohio weird theories,
talking to strange people all this stuff. Mikey is such
an encyclopedia for all of this stuff, and you're gonna
love it. So members, stick with me after this short break,

(01:23:10):
and for everyone else, as I always say, until the
next time, take care of yourselves and each other and
keep it strange all right, Welcome back, members to your

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